GABRIELA CORTEZ PARKER JUST WANTS THE COUNSELOR THE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS. TODAY'S JUNE 14, 2020 FOR THIS HEARING IS BEING REPORTED.  IT IS ALSO BEING LIVESTREAMED AT BOSTON.COM FOR OREGON CITY COUNCIL DASH TV AND BROADCASTED ON EXTREMITY CHANNEL EIGHT RCN CHANNEL TWO AND VIA CHANNEL 964. ATTENDANCE IN ACCORDANCE WITH CHAPTER TWO OF ACTS OF 2021 MODIFYING TO OF THE OPEN MEETING LAW AND RELIEVING PUBLIC BODIES OF CERTAIN REQUIREMENT INCLUDING THE REQUIREMENT THAT PUBLIC BODIES CONDUCT ITS MEETING IN A PUBLIC PLACE THAT IS OPEN AND PHYSICALLY ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE CONDUCTING THIS HEARING REMOTELY. THIS ENABLES THE CITY COUNCIL TO CARRY OUT ITS RESPONSIBILITIES WHILE ENSURING PUBLIC ACCESS TO ITS DELIBERATIONS THROUGH ADEQUATE ALTERNATIVE MEANS.  WRITTEN COMMENTS MAY BE SENT TO THE COMMITTEE EMAIL AT C C C DOT GEO AT BOSTON.COM AND WILL BE MADE A PART OF THE RECORD AND AVAILABLE TO ALL COUNCILORS . PUBLIC TESTIMONY WILL BE TAKEN AT THE END OF THIS HEARING.  YOU ARE INTERESTED IN TESTIFYING. PLEASE EMAIL OUR CENTRAL STAFF LIAISON RON COBB AT OUR O M DOT C0PB AT BOSTON.COM FOR THE LINK IN YOUR NAME WILL BE ADDED TO THE LIST. TODAY'S HEARING IS ON THE DOCKET 0471 IN ORDINANCE AND AMENDMENT TO THE BOSTON MUNICIPAL CODE IN REGARD TO MEASURING RACIAL EQUITY AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THE MATTER WAS SPONSORED BY COUNCILORS FERNAND SANDERSON, BRIAN WORRELL AND C LOUIJEUNE AND REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE ON MARCH SIX, 2024. TODAY I AM JOINED BY MY COLLEAGUES IN ORDER OF ARRIVAL AT LEAD SPONSOR COUNCILOR HERNANDEZ ANDERSON, COUNCILOR FLYNN AND COUNCILOR WEBER. I'LL PASS IT OVER TO THE LEAD SPONSOR FOR ANY OPENING REMARKS THAT SHE MAY HAVE.  GOOD MORNING MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE AND TO MY CO-SPONSORS THE COLOR OF WEALTH STUDY WHICH FOUND THAT THE AVERAGE NET WORTH OF A BLACK FAMILY IN BOSTON IS $8 IS NOW ABOUT NINE YEARS OLD AND OUTDATED.  THE COUNCIL ACCEPTED A GRANT THE EXPENDITURE TO UPDATE THAT STUDY EARLIER THIS WEEK BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT IT IS IMPORTANT TO MEASURING EQUITY IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.  JUST SOME FACTS THAT WE HAVE WE KNOW THAT THE HOMEOWNERSHIP RATE IN BOSTON IS LOWER THAN THE NATIONAL RATE WITH BLACK HOMEOWNERSHIP RATES AT ABOUT 30%, HISPANIC AND LATINO RESIDENTS 17% AND WHITE RESIDENTS AT 44%. IN BOSTON, BLACK MORTGAGE APPLICANTS ARE THREE TIMES MORE LIKELY AND LATINO, HISPANIC AND LATINO ARE TWICE AS LIKELY TO BE DENIED A MORTGAGE THAN WHITE APPLICANTS WHILE THEY ARE 2.5 TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE DENIED MORTGAGE FOR PROPERTY IN THE PREDOMINANTLY BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS SUCH AS ROXBURY AND MATTAPAN COMPARED TO OUR WHITE NEIGHBORS. IT IS INCUMBENT UPON BOSTON TO MEASURE HOW DEVELOPMENTS IN AFFORDABLE HOUSING HAVE ASSISTED BLACK AND BROWN RESIDENTS WHO ARE LESS LIKELY TO OWN THEIR HOMES, MORE LIKELY TO LIVE IN POVERTY AND MOST AFFECTED BY RAPID GENTRIFICATION AND INCREASING HOUSING COSTS MAKING THEM THE MOST LOGICAL BENEFICIARIES OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN BOSTON . THIS ORDINANCE CALLS FOR THE CREATION OF A REPORT WHICH WILL GO INTO DETAIL ON A NUMBER OF IMPORTANT ISSUES RELATED TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING INCLUDING DEMOGRAPHICS DATA OF WHO APPLIES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES, WHO RECEIVES THOSE OPPORTUNITIES, HOW LONG THEY HAVE TO WAIT TO RECEIVE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES AND HOW SUCCESSFUL THESE OPPORTUNITIES HAVE BEEN IN PLACE IN PLACING PEOPLE INTO HOMES FOR THE LONG TERM THE BURDEN OF PRODUCING SUCH A REPORT IS HOPEFULLY LOW BUT THE IMPACTS ARE SIGNIFICANT . DURING DURING THIS HEARING YOU WILL HEAR FROM MEMBERS OF THE ADMINISTRATION IN ADDITION TO THE NUMBERS OF HOUSING ADVOCATES WHO CAN ATTEST TO THE VALUE OF HIGH QUALITY METRICS BEING USED TO MEASURE TO MEASURE ACCESS TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I LOOK FORWARD TO THE CONVERSATION.  AND I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU CHIEF DILLON FOR ALWAYS BEING SUCH A WONDERFUL PARTNER IN OUR CITY TO DOING THIS WORK. AND AGAIN, MADAM CHAIR, THANK YOU AND LOOK FORWARD TO THE CONVERSATIONS.  THANK YOU. COUNCILOR BRANDON ANDERSON I JUST WANT TO FLAG FOR SOME STUFF THAT COUNCILOR COUNCIL PRESIDENT RICHARD LOUIJEUNE IS IN THE WAITING ROOM AND HAS BEEN HERE FOR QUITE A BIT IF WE CAN LET HER IN SEEING AS SHE'S ANOTHER LEAD CO-SPONSOR WILL HAVE HER GO AND THEN GO TO COUNCIL WHEN IT COMES TO WHETHER AND WE'VE ALSO BEEN JOINED BY COUNCILOR TOYOTA HERE . ETHAN, CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT COUNCIL PRESIDENT LOUIJEUNE IS GOING TO BE PROMOTED TO PANELIST?  I'M NOT SEEING HER IN THERE RIGHT NOW, MADAM CHAIR.  OKAY, LET'S GET THAT FIGURED OUT. AND WHILE THAT WHILE WE DO THAT COUNCILOR POINT OF VIEW ANY OPENING REMARKS, PLEASE GO AHEAD.  AND THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I'VE LISTENED CLOSELY TO COUNCIL FOR AN END TO THIS AND I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO LEARNING MORE ABOUT TOOLS AND HOW WE CAN ADDRESS THIS CRITICAL ISSUE OUTLINED BY COUNCILOR FERNANDEZ IN A SENSE. I ALSO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE SHEILA DILLON AND HER TEAM FOR THEIR WORK ACROSS THE CITY IN HELPING PEOPLE IN NEED ACCESS HOUSING SO THAT THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.  THANK YOU. COUNCILOR WHEN COUNCILOR DELIVERED I THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO THANK COUNCILOR FOR NANCY ANDERSON FOR FOR BRINGING THIS ALONG WITH COUNCILORS FOR ELLAND. MADAM PRESIDENT LOUIJEUNE I LOOK FORWARD LEARNING WHAT WHAT SORT OF DATA WE SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON AND HOW WE CAN YOU KNOW, TO HELP THIS PROCESS AND WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO WHEN WE GET TO THE DATA. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR . HERE.  HI. GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. NO, IT'S NOT COOL BUT I JUST HAVE ALLERGIES. BUT I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE WITH YOU ALL THIS MORNING AND I DO BELIEVE SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE COUNCIL I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT DASHBOARDS AND METRICS AND AND I THINK THAT THE MORE INFORMATION WE HAVE, THE BETTER WE CAN BE INFORMED THE DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE. SO REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING THIS CONVERSATION AND BEING A PARTNER ALONGSIDE YOU ALL AND I WANT TO THANK THE MAKERS FOR BRINGING THIS TO THE COUNCIL . THANK YOU.  THANK YOU. COUNCILOR MCHUGH OR WE CONFIRMED THAT WE HAVE COUNCIL PRESIDENT LOUIJEUNE YET ,MADAM CHAIR. OKAY. COUNCIL PRESIDENT LOUIJEUNE IF YOU CAN HEAR US WILL GO INTO DR. NINA ESTRELLA LUNA'S TESTIMONY AND THEN WE'LL CIRCLE BACK TO YOU. I WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO DR. SO YOU KNOW JUSTICE. SO WHEN I THINK ABOUT HER TITLE OF FIRST AND FOREMOST SHE'S SPANISH BOSTON RESIDENT AND MY NEIGHBOR AND REALLY HAPPY TO HAVE HER HERE. SHE'S THE RESEARCH LEAD FOR HOMES FOR EQUITY. DR. SO THAT YOU'RE NOT THIS IS YOUR TIME I THINK I'VE ONLY TALKED ABOUT 10 TO 15 MINUTES BUT PLEASE GO AHEAD AND WHICH COURSE.  ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU EVERYONE IN TO CONFIRM YOU ALL CAN HEAR ME . EVERYONE CAN HEAR ME . THERE WE GO. OKAY. SORRY I DIDN'T SEE EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. SO GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE AND THANK YOU FOR THE INVITATION TO SPEAK TO THE COMMITTEE TODAY ABOUT DOCKET 0471 SPECIFICALLY. SO I AM DR. NINA STRAY LUNA. I'M THE OWNER OF STARLING TWO CONSULTING WHICH IS AN ANTI RACISM AND SOCIAL EQUITY RESEARCH EDUCATION AND POLICY FIRM.  ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO INCLUDES WHAT WE CALL ACCOUNTABILITY STUDIES WHICH IS RESEARCH THAT IS AIMED AT EITHER DOCUMENT THE ROOT CAUSES OF SOCIAL VULNERABILITY AND SPECIFICALLY RACIAL INEQUITIES OR IDENTIFYING MECHANISMS SPECIFICALLY POLICY AND PRACTICE MECHANISMS BY WHICH VULNERABILITY AND DISPARITIES CAN BE REDUCED. AS WAS MENTIONED, MY FIRM COMPLETED A MORE THAN YEARLONG STUDY LOOKING AT HISTORIC AND ONGOING RACIAL DISCRIMINATION IN THE HOMEBUYING MARKET SPECIFICALLY IN THE CITY OF BOSTON. THE STUDY WAS DONE IN SUPPORT OF THE HOMES FOR EQUITY INITIATIVE WHICH IS A RESTORATIVE HOMEOWNERSHIP PILOT PROJECT FOCUSING ON ADDRESSING THE RACIAL HOMEOWNERSHIP GAP AND ASSOCIATE RACIAL WEALTH GAP IN ROXBURY SPECIFICALLY. WE PRODUCED A TOTAL OF FOUR REPORTS THROUGH THE STUDY AND I'M HAPPY TO SHARE A LINK WITH YOU TO THOSE REPORTS FOR YOUR REVIEW AS PART OF THIS PROJECT . WE DOCUMENTED MANY THINGS. WE OBVIOUSLY DOCUMENTED THE RACIAL DISPARITIES IN HOMEOWNERSHIP IN BOSTON FROM THE MID-TWENTIETH CENTURY THROUGH 2021. AND IMPORTANTLY FOR OUR PURPOSES WE ALSO DOCUMENTED THE VARIOUS WAYS IN WHICH THE CITY OF BOSTON AND OTHER ACTORS CREATED THE CURRENT RACIAL DISPARITIES IN HOMEOWNERSHIP. IT SUFFICES TO SAY FOR THE MOMENT THAT THOSE RACIAL DISPARITIES ARE STARK AND THAT THE CITY OF BOSTON CONTRIBUTED TO THOSE DISPARITIES BOTH ACTIVELY AND PASSIVELY.  THE CITY HAS QUITE A BIT TO ATONE FOR AND THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE I BELIEVE IS ONE SMALL STEP IN THAT DIRECTION. SO IN MY SHORT TIME WITH YOU TODAY I'D LIKE TO FOCUS ON THE KINDS OF METRICS TO CONSIDER AS YOU MONITOR THE CITY'S EFFORTS TO MEET THEIR COMMITMENTS AND LEGAL OBLIGATIONS TO AFFIRMATIVELY FURTHER FAIR HOUSING.  SO TO START IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET A BASELINE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT EQUITY IS AND WHY IT'S IMPORTANT TO FOCUS ON EQUITY RATHER THAN EQUALITY.  SO WHAT WE KNOW FROM RESEARCH AND FROM LIVED EXPERIENCE IS THAT EQUALITY ACTUALLY DOES NOT PRODUCE EQUITY EQUALITY IN TREATMENT OR EQUALITY AND OPPORTUNITY DOES NOT ACTUALLY REDUCE RACIAL DISPARITIES IN PARTICULAR OR ANY DISPARITIES BETWEEN SOCIAL GROUPS IN THE WAYS OR AT THE SPEED WITH WHICH WE WOULD LIKE TO BELIEVE. AND THIS IS BECAUSE HISTORIC DISCRIMINATION ON THE BASIS OF RACE OR OTHER CHARACTERISTICS RIPPLES ACROSS GENERATIONS. SO WHEN BLACK AND BROWN FAMILIES PAY HIGHER INTEREST RATES ON MORTGAGES THAN WHITE FAMILIES ARE PAYING SOMETHING THAT WE FOUND HAPPENED IN BOSTON HISTORICALLY AND IS CONTINUING TO HAPPEN TODAY,  THAT MEANS THAT THERE IS LESS MONEY AVAILABLE IN BLACK AND BROWN FAMILIES TO ATTEND TO THEIR DAILY NEEDS OR TO SAVE FOR THE FUTURE LOWER INTEREST RATES PROVIDES WHITE FAMILIES WITH MORE MONEY TO INVEST OR TO SAVE WHICH MEANS THAT THEIR CHILDREN AND THEIR GRANDCHILDREN HAVE GREATER ACCESS TO WEALTH BUILDING OPPORTUNITIES LIKE BUYING A HOME, GOING TO COLLEGE, STARTING A BUSINESS THEN BLACK OR BROWN FAMILIES DO. AND WE ESTIMATED THE ECONOMIC IMPACTS OF PAYING HIGHER INTEREST RATES ACROSS TWO GENERATIONS AND IT AMOUNTS TO SOMEWHERE BETWEEN $31,000 USING VERY CONSERVATIVE ECONOMIC METHODS SAVING IN A JUST A REGULAR SAVINGS ACCOUNT TO $250,000 USING STANDARD ECONOMIC METHODS INVESTING IN THE STOCK MARKET. AND THAT'S TWO GENERATIONS. MEANING THAT WHAT THE WEALTH THAT A GRANDPARENT DOES NOT HAVE TO PASS DOWN TO THEIR GRANDCHILDREN.  SO EVEN IF I COULD SNAP MY FINGERS NOW AND MAKE EVERY SINGLE BLACK AND BROWN PERSON TREATED EXACTLY THE SAME AS WHITE PEOPLE ARE TREATED AS A WHOLE IF THEY WERE GIVEN THE SAME EXACT OPPORTUNITIES, THE EXACT SAME QUALITY EDUCATION, THE EXACT SAME AIR AND WATER QUALITY, THE EXACT SAME ACCESS TO HEALTH CARE, THE EXACT SAME HOUSING AND JOB SECURITY. ANYONE ALIVE TODAY IS LIVING THE LEGACY OF THE CONSTRAINTS AND THE PRIVILEGES THAT OUR PARENTS, OUR GRANDPARENTS AND OUR GREAT GRANDPARENTS WERE EITHER FORCED INTO OR WERE PROVIDED.  SO THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE FOCUS ON EQUITY IS EXACTLY RIGHT BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT WILL HELP THE CITY OF BOSTON IDENTIFY AND THEN DISMANTLE THOSE SYSTEMS AND STRUCTURES AND POLICIES AND PRACTICES THAT MAINTAIN RACIAL DISPARITIES IN BOSTON.  SO BASED ON THE RESEARCH THAT WE'VE DONE FOR HIV THAT IS VERY SPECIFIC TO BOSTON AS WELL AS MY EXPERIENCE AS AN EQUITY RESEARCHER, I WOULD RECOMMEND A FEW THINGS IN TERMS OF METRICS I WOULD RECOMMEND ADDING A FEW MEASURES TO THE LIST OF CHARACTERISTICS TO BE DISAGGREGATE ADDED AS SEEN IN SECTION 1212.3. BUT ONE THAT I STRONGLY RECOMMEND IS A METRIC THAT LOOKS AT THE INTERSECTION OF RACE AND INCOME TOGETHER.  AND LET ME TELL YOU WHY ONE OF THE LONGSTANDING TROPES AND FORMS OF RESISTANCE TO ADDRESSING RACIAL DISPARITIES BOTH POLITICALLY BUT ALSO LEGALLY IS THE ARGUMENT THAT THESE DISPARITIES LIKE HOUSING DISPARITIES FOR EXAMPLE, AREN'T ROOTED IN RACE, THEY'RE ROOTED IN ECONOMIC DIFFERENCES OR ECONOMIC ISSUES.  NOW IF THIS WERE TRUE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD SEE IS THAT FOR EXAMPLE, THE DENIAL OF MORTGAGE APPLICATIONS SHOULD BE MORE STRONGLY RELATED TO INCOME RATHER THAN RACE. RIGHT. BECAUSE YOUR RISK OF DEFAULT SHOULD BE MORE RELATED TO YOUR INCOME NOT YOUR RACE. HOWEVER, THAT IS NOT WHAT WE FOUND. INSTEAD WE FOUND RACIAL DISPARITIES IN MORTGAGE DENIAL RATES WITHIN EVERY SINGLE INCOME GROUP. SO WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?  IT MEANS THAT LOW INCOME BLACK AND BROWN MORTGAGE APPLICANTS WERE MORE LIKELY TO BE DENIED THEIR MORTGAGE APPLICATION THAN LOW INCOME WHITE APPLICANTS. AND THE SAME IS TRUE AT MODERATE INCOME, MIDDLE INCOME AND HIGH INCOME LEVELS. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE FOUND THAT HIGH INCOME BLACK APPLICANTS WERE MORE THAN 32% MORE LIKELY TO HAVE THEIR MORTGAGE APPLICATION DENIED THAN LOW INCOME WHITE APPLICANTS.  IN THIS FANTASY WORLD WHERE ONLY INCOME MATTERS WE SHOULD NOT SEE THAT BUT IN FACT WE DO. WHICH TELLS US THAT THE RACIAL DISPARITIES AND MORTGAGE DENIALS THAT EXIST HERE IN BOSTON IS ABOUT RACE. IT'S NOT ABOUT INCOME.  AND WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT IS BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING AT THIS INTERSECTION OF RACE AND INCOME IS BECAUSE TO LEGALLY JUSTIFY BETTER TARGETED POLICY AROUND HOUSING SPECIFICALLY AND THERE'S A LEGAL STRUCTURE AROUND THIS YOU NEED TO DEMONSTRATE THAT IN BOSTON.  RACE MATTERS MORE THAN INCOME AND YOU'RE ONLY ABLE TO DO THAT WHEN YOU MEASURE THAT INTERSECTION.  I WOULD SAY IT'S EQUALLY IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THE INTERSECTION OF RACE AND ETHNICITY. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT IN THE MORTGAGE DATA WAS THE EXPERIENCE OF AFRO-LATINX MORTGAGE APPLICANTS SPECIFICALLY.  WE FOUND THAT AFRO-LATINX APPLICANTS EXPERIENCED WORSE OUTCOMES MEANING HIGHER DENIAL RATES AND HIGHER INTEREST RATES THAN EITHER LATINOS OR BLACKS AS A WHOLE. NOW THE SAMPLE FOR THAT WAS SMALLER THAN WE'D LIKE BUT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH RESEARCH OTHER RESEARCH AND OTHER AREAS OF SOCIAL LIFE SHOWING THAT AFRO-LATINX INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES LIVE WITH POOR HEALTH LOWER EDUCATIONAL ATTAINMENT, LESS JOB SECURITY ETC. WHEN COMPARED TO EITHER BLACK OR LATINO FOLKS AS A WHOLE. SO I THINK IT'S WORTH THE EFFORT TO BRING THOSE TWO CHARACTERISTICS TOGETHER SO THAT YOU CAN BETTER DESIGN AND BETTER JUSTIFY YOUR POLICY SOLUTIONS. SIMILARLY, I MUST RECOMMEND THAT ASIAN SUBGROUPS ALSO BE DISAGGREGATED.  THE EXPERIENCES OF VIETNAMESE FOLKS FOR EXAMPLE ARE VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE EXPERIENCES OF SOUTH ASIAN AND EAST ASIAN FOLKS.  SO IT'S WORTH MONITORING THOSE POTENTIAL DISPARITIES AGAIN SO THAT YOU'RE TARGETING AND JUSTIFYING POLICY SOLUTIONS APPROPRIATELY.  AND THIS IS WHERE WE MIGHT NEED THE GRACE OF 30 MORE SECONDS.  ONE LAST THING THAT I NEED TO ALSO RECOMMEND IN RELATION TO THE DATA COLLECTION AROUND AFFORDABLE HOMEOWNERSHIP PROGRAMS.  SO IT IS FANTASTIC THAT THE CITY OF BOSTON HAS AFFORDABLE HOMEOWNERSHIP PROGRAMS FOR BOSTON RESIDENTS. 100% SUPPORT OF THAT. HOWEVER, THOSE OPPORTUNITIES COME AT THE COST OF DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT CAN CONSTRAIN THE AMOUNT OF EQUITY THAT THOSE HOMEOWNERS ARE ABLE TO ACCRUE. WHAT THIS DOES IN THE IMPACT OF THAT IS IT REDUCES THE WEALTH THAT THAT FAMILY CAN ACCRUE OVER TIME OR AT LEAST OVER THE TIME IN WHICH THEY OWN THAT PROPERTY. SO I WOULD ALSO ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONSIDER ADDING THE ESTIMATES OF EQUITY AVAILABLE TO HOMEOWNERS AND DEED RESTRICTED HOMES AND OF COURSE DISAGGREGATING THAT IN THE VARIOUS WAYS THAT THE ORDINANCE ALREADY THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE ALREADY PROPOSES AND THE ONES THAT I RECOMMEND HERE. AND SHEILA, I'M GOING TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE EASY. I'M ASSUMING IT'S GOING TO BE YOUR OFFICE THAT'S TASKED WITH DOING THIS AND THAT YOU MIGHT ACTUALLY NEED MORE TIME BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE ALSO LEARNED FROM THE FOLKS AT HOME FOR EQUITY IS THAT THERE'S NOT A STANDARD DEED RESTRICTION ON EQUITY ACCUMULATION IN OUR AFFORDABLE HOME PROGRAMS. AS I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S LIKE DOZENS AND DOZENS AND DOZENS AND DOZENS AND DOZENS OF DIFFERENT FORMULAS IN THE DEED RESTRICTIONS ON EQUITY. BUT I DO THINK IT'S WORTH TAKING THE TIME TO DO AND TO DO WELL BECAUSE WHAT WE DON'T KNOW IS WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE RACIAL OR OTHER DISPARITIES IN WHO GETS TO ACCUMULATE HOW MUCH EQUITY THROUGH THOSE AFFORDABLE HOMEOWNERSHIP PROGRAMS. AND THIS IS PARTICULARLY IMPORTANT GIVEN THE INCREASE IN THE CAP ON EQUITY ACCUMULATION OR FUTURE AFFORDABLE HOME PURCHASES THAT AS I UNDERSTAND IT AT LEAST DOESN'T APPLY TO PASS AFFORDABLE HOME PURCHASES. SO I'M AT TIME I ASSUME. SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SPECIFIC KINDS OF STATISTICS THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER INCLUDING AS AT LEAST A FLAW IN THE ORDINANCE.  I'M HAPPY TO TAKE THOSE QUESTIONS AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK THIS MORNING. AND PLEASE ASK ME A QUESTION.  THANK YOU, DR. LUNA.  I'M GOING TO GO I'M GOING TO DEFER TO THE RECORD ON SPONSOR COUNCIL FOR ANOTHER DATASET. WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE INDIVIDUAL QUESTIONS FOR HER OR WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO TO THE ADMINISTRATION AND THEN OPEN IT UP FOR QUESTIONS? THANK YOU SO MUCH, MADAM CHAIR ,FOR THE CONSIDERATION. I THINK THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD CONVERSATION AND I THINK MOST OF US HERE AGREE. I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK AHEAD OF TIME SO I THINK WE SHOULD GO TO CHIEF AND THEN TO THE QUESTION SO THAT THE TWO CAN BE COMBINED VERY WELL. SO LET'S GO TO CHIEF SHEILA DAWN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. THE FLOOR IS YOURS.  THANK YOU AND THANK YOU DR. ESTRELLA LUNA. THAT WAS VERY, VERY, VERY HELPFUL AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW EVEN MORE AND I CERTAINLY RESPECT THE WORK THAT IBM'S FOR EQUITY HAS BEEN DOING AND THE ISSUES THEY'VE BEEN BRINGING FORWARD.  THANK YOU CHAIR AND ALL THE CITY COUNCILORS THAT ARE HERE TODAY TO REALLY TALK ABOUT THIS ISSUE.  WE KNOW ALL TOO WELL THAT THERE ARE REAL RACIAL DISPARITIES IN HOUSING ACCESS AND OUTCOMES IN BOSTON.  AND COLLECTING THE RIGHT DATA IS NOT ONLY THE RIGHT THING TO DO BUT IT IS VERY, VERY HELPFUL TO AGENCIES THAT ARE GIVEN RESOURCES FROM DIFFERENT SOURCES TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT WE ARE SPENDING THE RESOURCES IN IMPACTFUL WAYS. I'M I DON'T WANT TO BE REPETITIVE SO I WON'T BUT I'LL TRY NOT TO BE BUT JUST TO ILLUSTRATE I WAS READING ABOUT IT LAST NIGHT AND THIS MORNING IT IS THERE IS RACE IMPLICATIONS IN IN EVERY TYPE OF HOUSING PROGRAM AND THE RENTAL MARKET IN THE WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN EVICTIONS, WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN HOMEOWNERSHIP THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT BY BOTH THE CITY COUNCILOR AND THE GOOD DOCTOR AND WE KNOW THIS YOU KNOW WE KNOW THIS TO BE TRUE AND NOT ONLY LOOKING BACK ON WHO'S BEING IMPACTED HARD BUT ALSO LOOKING FORWARD ESPECIALLY AS PRICES CONTINUE TO INCREASE RENTS RIGHT NOW IT'S EVEN HARD FOR ME TO SAY THIS OR OVER $3,000 A MONTH. SO WE KNOW THERE'S JUST WE WE KNOW THAT. WE KNOW THAT IT'S GETTING HARDER FOR BOSTON AT LARGE TO AFFORD RENTS BUT CERTAINLY IT'S HARDER FOR BLACK HOUSEHOLDS IN THAT NEXT HOUSEHOLDS. AND ON TOP OF THAT DISPARITIES IN INCOME IT'S ALL WE ALSO KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF DISCRIMINATION WHEN HOUSEHOLDS GO TO RENT.  SO IT'S GETTING VERY, VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO TO RENT AND NEW OPPORTUNITIES WHOSE RENT BURDENED IN THE CITY. 66,000 LOW INCOME RENT. THERE'S RENT 66,000 LOW INCOME RENT BURDEN HOUSEHOLDS IN BOSTON IN OVER 72% OF THAT COHORT IS BIPOC COMPARED TO 28% OF WHITE HOUSEHOLDS. I WILL REPEAT COUNCILOR ANDERSON'S COMMENTS ON HOMEOWNERSHIP RATES THEY ARE THEY ARE INDEED NOT REFLECTIVE OF THE CITY'S POPULATION. AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING EXTREMELY HARD TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR HOUSEHOLDS OF COLOR TO BUY IN THE MARKET.  BUT WITH SALES PRICES NOW AT $765,000 AND GETTING AND GETTING HIGHER. MANY OF OUR BOSTON FAMILIES ESPECIALLY BIPOC FAMILIES ARE GETTING PRICED OUT. SO WE KNOW THE WE KNOW THESE STATISTICS THEY ARE TROUBLING. WE THINK ABOUT THEM EVERY SINGLE DAY. AND I THINK TO REALLY UNDERSTAND LIKE I OPENED WITH WHETHER OR NOT OUR PROGRAMS AND OUR RESOURCES ARE HAVING THE IMPACT THAT THAT THEY SHOULD AND WHETHER OR NOT A LOT OF THE STATE ORGANIZATIONS A LOT OF THE NONPROFITS, A LOT OF THE BANKING INDUSTRY WHETHER THEY'RE EFFORTS ARE HAVING THE IMPACT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE DATA.  WE DO COLLECT A LOT OF DATA ON OUR PROGRAMS, THE INTERSECTIONS OF WHO'S GETTING OUR MONEY, WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE ABLE TO USE OUR MONEY IN WAYS THAT HAVE THE RESULTS THEY WANT WHERE THEY ABLE TO BUY A HOME, STAY IN THEIR HOME. SO THAT I FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT A LOT OF THE DATA WE'RE COLLECTING. BUT AS THE ORDER HAS STATED WE ARE NOT COLLECTING RIGHT NOW A REALLY GOOD ROBUST DATA AND MY COLLEAGUE WHO AT RENA OLIVER MILKMAN WHO'S DIRECTOR OF POLICY AND RESEARCH WILL WILL TELL US WHY AND WHAT WE'RE DOING TO CORRECT THAT ON WHO'S IN OUR LOTTERIES, WHO'S ACCESSING AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS WHICH HAS REALLY BEEN A MISSING PIECE. SO I WOULD WELCOME THE DISCIPLINE OF OF COLLECTING DATA AND MAKING THESE AVAILABLE EVERY YOU KNOW, EVERY SINGLE YEAR MAYBE MORE OFTEN BUT REALLY WORKING WITH THE CITY COUNCIL TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE SHOULD BE COLLECTING AND MAKING PUBLIC AS WE CONTINUE TO DO THIS WORK.  I, I ALWAYS THINK THERE'S NO WAY OF DEFINING WHAT WE SHOULD BE SPENDING OUR MONEY ON WITHOUT USING DATA. AND THERE'S VERY LITTLE WAY THERE'S THERE'S VERY FEW WAYS WE CAN REALLY TELL WHETHER OUR INVESTMENTS ARE BEING YOU KNOW ,DOING GETTING THE OUTCOMES THAT WE WANT THEM TO GET UNLESS WE'RE LOOKING AT AT THE DATA. SO YOU HAVE MY CERTAINLY MY PARTNERSHIP ON THIS PROJECT. I AM EXCITED TO GET GOING AND WORK WITH YOU.  BUT I DO WANT TO HAND IT OVER TO CARINA VERY BRIEFLY SO SHE CAN TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT WHAT WE DO COLLECT AND WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON, WHAT WE'RE DOING TO CORRECT THE GAPS. THANK YOU, CHIEF JOHN AND THANK YOU TO MADAM CHAIR AND COUNCILORS FOR RAISING THESE IMPORTANT QUESTIONS AND INVITING US TO SHARE INFORMATION THERE. THERE'S A LOT TO SAY ON THIS TOPIC AND SO I WILL TRY TO BE AS DISTINCT AS POSSIBLE.  THE REPORT THE REPORT REQUESTED BY THE COUNCIL WILL HELP US AND THE PUBLIC TO UNDERSTAND TO WHAT DEGREE WHERE ADDRESSING THE GAPS THAT SO MANY ON THIS ON THIS ZOOM TODAY SPOKE ABOUT. MLH DOES ALREADY TRACK A LOT OF INFORMATION PERTAINING TO WHO OUR PROGRAMS POLICIES AND OTHER RESOURCES SERVE SO I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THAT SO WE'RE STARTING FROM THE SAME PLACE WE CURRENTLY TRACK THE LOCATION AND TYPE OF OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.  WE TRACK APPLICANTS TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING LOTTERIES ON A PROJECT BY PROJECT BASIS AND UNIT BY UNIT BASIS. WE TRACK THAT BY RACE AND ETHNICITY, GENDER, BOSTON RESIDENCY AND A COUPLE OTHER FACTORS. WE ALSO TRACK BUYERS OF OUR INCOME RESTRICTED UNITS BOTH MLH UNITS AND IDP UNITS.  WE TRACK THAT BY RACE AND ETHNICITY, HOUSEHOLD SIZE AND INCOME.  WE TRACK FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE PROVIDED TO HOMEBUYERS AS WELL AS THE LOCATION OF THOSE UNITS ON THE SALES PRICES AND FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE PROVIDED TO SENIOR HOMEOWNERS BY RACE, ETHNICITY AND INCOME. AND WE TRACK RENTERS WHO RECEIVE SUPPORT THROUGH OUR RENTAL RELIEF NOW TENANT STABILITY FUND BY LOCATION, RACE, ETHNICITY, INCOME AND HOUSEHOLD SIZE. SO THAT'S ALL DATA THAT WE FEEL IS QUITE SOLID. THE QUALITY IS HIGH.  IT IS COLLECTED IN A FORMAT THAT ALLOWS FOR RIGOROUS ANALYSIS GOING FORWARD IN RESPONSE TO YOUR ORDER WE'RE READILY ABLE TO TRACK THE TIME RESIDENTS STAY IN OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR SELECT PROGRAMS INCLUDING ONE PLUS AND OUR FIRST TIME HOMEBUYER PROGRAM AND A COUPLE OF OTHERS MENTIONED IN THE HEARING ORDER . WE'RE NOT SURE IF THIS DATA IS AVAILABLE FOR CITY PROGRAMS THAT AREN'T RUN BY MLH AND SOMETHING WE WOULD NEED TO LOOK INTO AND I KNOW A COUPLE OF THOSE WERE HIGHLIGHTED IN THE ORDER. WE'RE ALSO ABLE TO TRACK THE NUMBER OF NEW RENTERS IN BOSTON AND THE NUMBER OF NEW HOMEOWNERS WITH SOME CAVEATS IN TERMS OF YOU KNOW, HOMEOWNERS FOR EXAMPLE, IT WOULD BE A SAMPLE BECAUSE THE DATA WE HAVE IS EXCLUSIVE OF CASH BUYERS. FOR EXAMPLE.  AND SOME OF THIS CAN BE ANALYZED BY FACTORS LIKE AGE,  RACE, ETHNICITY, GENDER, HOUSEHOLD SIZE, INCOME AND SO FORTH. BUT NOT ALL DUE TO SOME OF THE LIMITATIONS OF CENSUS DATA AND HAVING THE DATA THAT WOULD BE USING UNFORTUNATELY IT'S NOT CURRENTLY POSSIBLE TO REPORT OUT ON APPLICATIONS WAITING TIME AND ACCEPTED APPLICANTS. EVERY PROJECT'S DATA IS IN MULTIPLE INDIVIDUAL SPREADSHEETS RIGHT NOW AND THERE ARE ALSO DATA QUALITY CONCERNS AND I'LL SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE.  WE ALSO CAN'T REPORT OUT ON APPLICANTS ASSIGNED PREFERENCES FOR SIMILAR REASONS AND I'M NOT SURE OF THE VHA HAS DATA FOR FEDERAL HOUSING PROGRAMS BY NEIGHBORHOOD OF RESIDENCE WHICH WAS MENTIONED IN THE ORDER WE'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO THAT. WE ALSO DON'T HAVE NOR CAN WE ACCESS DATA ON QUARRY REQUESTS MADE TO THE STATE BY RACE. SO WHILE WE DO CAPTURE APPLICANT DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION ON A PROJECT BY PROJECT BASIS AS I MENTIONED THIS INFORMATION IS CURRENTLY STORED ACROSS MANY SEPARATE SOURCES THAT ARE HARD TO CONNECT AND COMBINED WITH ONE ANOTHER. ANOTHER IT'S NOT CURRENTLY CAPTURED IN A WAY THAT ALLOWS FOR RIGOROUS ANALYSIS OF AN APPLICANT'S EXPERIENCE BY AGE RACE, GENDER, HOUSEHOLD INCOME, HOUSEHOLD SIZE, HOUSEHOLD INCOME AND NEIGHBORHOOD OF RESIDENCE. AND THAT'S FOR TWO REASONS ONE, UNTIL RECENTLY DIFFERENT CITY AGENCIES WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR DIFFERENT PARTS OF THIS APPLICATION AND LISTEN PROCESS AND CHANGES TO INTEGRATE EXISTING DATA SYSTEMS ARE STILL UNDERWAY. SECOND, MOST OF THE PROCESS FROM TOURING A UNIT TO APPLYING FOR THE UNIT AND VERIFYING ELIGIBILITY IS CONDUCTED BY A NETWORK OF THIRD PARTY AGENTS WHO DON'T USE THE CITY SYSTEM AS THEIR PRIMARY TOOL TO MANAGE THIS LEASE UP PROCESS.  SO FOR THESE REASONS A RETROACTIVE ANALYSIS WOULD REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT STAFF TIME INVESTMENT WHICH WOULD BE INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT AND IT LIKELY WOULD YIELD INCOMPLETE RESULTS DUE TO THE CURRENT DATA COLLECTION THEMSELVES. SO OUR RECOMMENDATION GOING FORWARD IS TO FIRST AND FOREMOST FOCUS ON IMPROVING THE APPLICATION EXPERIENCES OF OUR HOUSING SEEKERS AND PARTNER AGENCIES WELL WHICH WILL ALLOW US TO COLLECT THE REQUESTED DATA IN A MANNER AND FORMAT THAT PERMITS PERMITS, ANALYSIS AND REGULAR REPORTING TO THE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC AND WE SEE THIS AS A LARGER EFFORT THAT'S A CONTINUATION OF IMPORTANT WORK WE'VE ALREADY BEGUN AND I'D LIKE TO SHARE JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE WORK WE'VE BEEN DOING ON THIS TOPIC. SO LAST SUMMER WE SURVEYED HUNDREDS OF RECENT HOUSING LOTTERY ENTRANTS AND HIRED A PROFESSIONAL RESEARCH FIRM TO CONDUCT FOCUS GROUPS AND IN-DEPTH INTERVIEWS WITH HOUSING SEEKERS AND LEASING AGENTS. AND WE FOUND THROUGH THIS PROCESS THAT THERE WERE BARRIERS AND OPACITY IN OUR EXISTING PROCESSES.  THEN THIS PAST FALL WE EMBARKED ON A REVIEW OF POLICIES AND PROCESSES THAT SUPPORT THE MARKETING APPLICATION AND LOTTERY OF OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS AND THIS LED US TO STREAMLINE AND ADD TRANSPARENCY TO THE APPLICATION PROCESS AND SIMPLIFY THE WAY MARKETING PLANS ARE SUBMITTED AND APPROVED. AND WE THEN CONSIDERED ALL OUR INCOME RESTRICTED HOUSING APPLICATION AND MONITORING FUNCTIONS WITHIN MLH.  WE CONSOLIDATED THEM BY BRINGING ON SEVERAL STAFF FROM THE BPA AND CREATING A NEW DIVISION DEDICATED TO THIS PURPOSE. WE ALSO LAUNCHED A SIMILAR REVIEW OF THE POLICIES AND PROCESSES GIVEN GOVERNING HOW WE CALCULATE HOUSEHOLD ELIGIBILITY FOR THESE UNITS AND THIS RESULTED IN STANDARDIZING HOW ELIGIBILITY CALCULATIONS ARE DONE. WE CLARIFIED HOW WE TREAT DIFFERENT KINDS OF ASSETS AND INCOME AND IMPROVE THE WORKFLOWS BETWEEN CITY STAFF AND AGENT PARTNERS.  SO WHILE MUCH OF THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE IN THE LAST YEAR TO IMPROVE HOW WE STAFF ADMINISTER THESE PROCESSES AND IMPLEMENT POLICIES THAT GUIDE THE APPLICATION EXPERIENCE, THERE'S STILL A LOT TO DO TO IMPROVE THE DIGITAL EXPERIENCE OF OUR HOUSING SEEKERS AND IN RELATION TO THAT HOW WE STRUCTURE OUR DATA CAPTURE IN A WAY THAT LENDS ITSELF TO ROBUST REPORTING AND WE SEE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION YOU SEEK AS PART OF LARGER CHANGE AS WE'RE CONSIDERING AROUND HOW WE INTERACT WITH HOUSING SEEKERS AND LEASING AGENTS AND THE SYSTEMS WE USE TO SHARE INFORMATION AND MANAGE OUR WORK AND THESE LARGE EFFORTS ARE GOING TO TAKE TIME. CITY INVESTMENT AND NEW PARTNERSHIPS WITH OUTSIDE TECHNOLOGY VENDORS. SO THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS TO HELP DETERMINE EXACTLY WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. WE'VE BEGUN A PROCESS THIS SUMMER OF ANALYZING THE DIVERSITY PRESERVATION PREFERENCE PILOT WHICH RAN FROM AUGUST TO DECEMBER OF 2017 AND THAT ANALYSIS WILL INCLUDE WHAT PROJECTS THE PREFERENCE WAS APPLIED TO WHERE AND WHO BENEFITED BY DIFFERENT DEMOGRAPHIC FEATURES.  AND IT'S GOING TO SERVE AS A PILOT FOR OUR STAFF TO BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW TO IMPROVE TRACKING APPLICATIONS AND OCCUPANCY OF INCOME RESTRICTED HOUSING AND HOW PREFERENCES ARE APPLIED WHICH I THINK ARE THE KEY QUESTIONS HERE IN THE ORDER. SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT AND HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.  THANK YOU KARINA AND THANK YOU TO CHIEF AS WELL FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I WILL PASS OVER TO MY COLLEAGUES NOW FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE STARTING WITH THE SPONSOR COUNSELOR CONNECTED MANAGER CAN WE PROMOTE MARK MARTINEZ?  ATTORNEY MARTINEZ IS IN THE WAITING ROOM AND HE'S A PART OF THE PANEL.  OKAY, WONDERFUL. ETHAN DO YOU SEE ATTORNEY MARTINEZ? YES. SORRY . I'M BRINGING IN A NOW MANAGER.  OKAY. THANK YOU. AND COULD WE ALLOW HIM JUST 5 MINUTES TO WRAP UP THE ANALYST AND THEN THEN GO INTO QUESTIONS? I THINK IT WILL COMPLETE THE CONVERSATION. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR . EXCUSE ME , ATTORNEY MARTINEZ,  HAPPY TO HAVE YOU HERE. GOOD TO SEE YOU. YOU'VE BEEN PROMOTED TO THE FLOOR INSURANCE FOR YOUR PRESENTATION.  ALL RIGHT. HI, EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. COUNSELOR COLLETTE FOR HOLDING THIS HEARING AND THANK YOU TO MY DISTRICT COUNCILOR FERNANDEZ ANDERSEN FOR SPONSORING THIS IMPORTANT ORDINANCE AS WELL AS ALL OF YOUR CO-SPONSORS. MY NAME IS MARK MARTINEZ. IN ADDITION TO BEING A ROXBURY RESIDENT, I'M ALSO A HOUSING ATTORNEY AT THE MASSACHUSETTS LAW REFORM INSTITUTE. ONE OF MY CHIEF CONCERNS IN MY JOB AND OF THE MILROY HOUSING UNIT AS A WHOLE IS THE AVAILABILITY OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND IN PARTICULAR TO PEOPLE AND FAMILIES OF COLOR. I FIRST WANT TO START BY ECHOING WHAT SO MANY OTHERS HAVE SAID AND TAKING CHIEF DILLON WHO I HAD THE PLEASURE OF WORKING WITH VERY FREQUENTLY ON A WHOLE NUMBER OF THINGS AND WHO HAS ALWAYS BEEN A CHAMPION FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE CITY OF BOSTON AND ALSO REALLY HAPPY TO SEE DR. DEENA ESTRELA LUNA TESTIFYING TODAY.  I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO SERVE ON THE RESEARCH ADVISORY COUNCIL FOR THE HOMELESS FOR EQUITY PROJECT AND SO I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT RESEARCH HAS BEEN ABLE TO BE HIGHLIGHTED TODAY. GIVEN WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO HAVE TESTIFIED TODAY AND THE FACT THAT I ECHO EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID, I'M GOING TO KEEP MY REMARKS RELATIVELY BRIEF SO WE CAN GET TO QUESTIONS AND WHAT I'M GOING TO FOCUS MY REMARKS ON IS WHAT I KNOW BEST AS A LAWYER AND THAT IS THE LAW. AND SO WHAT I'M SURE IF MOST IF NOT EVERYONE IN THIS CALL KNOWS IS WE HAVE A FEDERALLY MANDATED DUTY RIGHT HANDED DOWN BY THE FAIR HOUSING ACT NOT TO JUST NOT DISCRIMINATE BUT TO AFFIRMATIVELY FURTHER FAIR HOUSING.  AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS AS I SAID, THAT DOESN'T JUST MEAN THAT WE CAN'T DISCRIMINATE. IT MEANS THAT WE HAVE TO PROACTIVELY TAKE MEANINGFUL ACTIONS TO OVERCOME PATTERNS OF SEGREGATION, PROMOTE FAIR HOUSING CHOICE, ELIMINATE DISPARITIES AND OPPORTUNITIES IN FOSTERING INCLUSIVE COMMUNITIES FREE FROM DISCRIMINATION AND WE SIMPLY CAN'T ENSURE THAT WE ARE FULFILLING OUR DUTIES UNDER THE FHA IF WE ARE COLLECTING ALL THE DATA THAT WE NEED. NOW I WANT TO BE CLEAR I'M NOT CLAIMING THAT THE CITY IS NOT FULFILLING ITS DUTY UNDER THE FHA OR THAT THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO. ON THE CONTRARY, I THINK THE CITY IS TRYING VERY HARD TO MEET ITS DUTY AND I SIMPLY WANT TO POINT OUT THAT IN ORDER FOR THE CITY TO DO THAT, IN ORDER FOR US TO SUPPORT THE CITY IN DOING THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE ALL THE DATA AVAILABLE. AND THE OTHER THING THAT I WANT TO POINT OUT IS THAT I KNOW COLLECTING THE AMOUNT OF DATA THAT WE NEED IS A LABORIOUS PROCESS BUT WE ALSO DON'T HAVE TO REINVENT AND WE ALL A LOT OF THIS STUFF HUD AND OTHER AGENCIES PRODUCES MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE DATA THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.  AND SO WE CAN LOOK TO THEM FOR A MODEL THEY DON'T HAVE MAYBE EVERYTHING BUT A LOT OF THAT IS THERE AND SO YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO LIKE I SAID, REINVENT THE WHEEL TO BORROW FROM AN OLD ADAGE YOU CAN'T FIX WHAT YOU CAN'T MEASURE. AND I KNOW EVERYBODY ON THIS CALL IS REALLY DEDICATED TO FIXING THE PROBLEM THAT'S BEEN CREATED BY GENERATIONS OF RACISM AND DISCRIMINATORY DISCRIMINATORY HOUSING POLICIES. AND SO I LOOK FORWARD TO LENDING WHATEVER EXPERTISE THEY DO HAVE TO HELPING US GET BACK TO HELPING US GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN MEASURE WHAT WE NEED SO WE CAN GO FORWARD AND FIX THIS PROBLEM. AND SO LIKE I SAID, I'M GOING TO KEEP MY REMARKS BRIEF. I AM HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS BUT I KNOW THAT WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE HERE AND YOU KNOW, I LOOK FORWARD TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN DO ALL OF THAT GREAT WORK TOGETHER.  THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR WORK, YOUR PRESENTATION.  MARTINEZ I GUESS IT WAS GOOD TO SEE YOU AND HAPPY TO HEAR COUNSELOR HERNANDEZ ANDERSON WILL GO TO YOU FOR HER QUESTIONS. AND I JUST WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT DR. LUNA HAS A HARD STOP AT 11 AND SHE SKIPPED CHIEF BY 1130.  SO HER NAME IS ANDERSON. OF COURSE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE AND THEN WE'LL GO TO COUNSELOR WEBER, COUNSELOR HERE, COUNSELOR LOUIJEUNE SHE'S HERE.  I SEE THAT JOHN EDWARDS HAS BEEN PROMOTED.  COUNSELOR FERNANDEZ ANDERSON WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE HER SAVED YOUR WORDS AS WELL?  I THINK BECAUSE WE HAVE ONLY IF JOANNA CAN WAIT JUST TO GET QUESTIONS OUT TO DR. LUNA.  I'M NOT SURE HOW HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT AS YET?  LET'S LET'S GO FORWARD WITH QUESTIONS AND THEN WE'LL CIRCLE BACK TO JOANNA. THANKS.  PLEASE GO AHEAD. JOANNA THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. BEAR WITH US SO AS TO TO MLH I GUESS JUST HOW DO YOU CURRENTLY COLLECT SOME OF THE DATA THAT IS REPRESENTED IN THIS ORDINANCE SPECIFICALLY AND ARE THERE WAYS TO IMPROVE THE DATA COLLECTION PROCESS TO MAKE IT EASIER TO DISAGGREGATED ONCE IT IS COLLECTED?  TO KIND OF ECHO WHAT PERINO WAS SAYING, NONE OF THIS IS EASY. IT IS TOTALLY POSSIBLE.  AND SO AS AN EXAMPLE THE MORTGAGE DATA, THE HIM THE DATA WE LOOKED AT THAT DATA HISTORICALLY WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE DATA SETS GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO 1980 I BELIEVE. AND ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH THAT DATA SET AND IT'S A SIMILAR CHALLENGE TO WHAT CARINA HAS IS HAD PRESENTED IS THAT YOU KNOW, THERE'S DIFFERENT DATA IN DIFFERENT YEARS AND THERE'S A REALLY DIFFICULT IT'S A CHALLENGING PROCESS TO KIND OF RECONCILE THINGS THAT ARE EITHER IN DIFFERENT DATA SETS OR WHERE DATA DEFINITIONS CHANGE OVER TIME. I WILL SAY WE'VE DONE IT SO IT'S NOT IMPOSSIBLE. WHAT I WOULD SAY IS REALLY REITERATING THE POINT EARLIER YOU KNOW THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES A REPORT IN ONE YEAR. THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE AMBITIOUS.  I MEAN IT TOOK US ALMOST A YEAR AND A HALF TO DO OUR WORK ON OUR WORK ALSO INCORPORATED ARCHIVAL RESEARCH WHICH WAS ABOUT SIX MONTHS LONG BUT IT ALSO INVOLVED THINGS LIKE DIGITIZING HISTORIC RECORDS AND SO YOU MIGHT NEED AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS GOES INTO AN ORDINANCE OR IS IT'S JUST A YOU KNOW, AN AGREEMENT BUT WHAT MIGHT NEED TO HAPPEN IN ORDER TO DO THIS WELL AND DO THIS EXPEDITIOUSLY IS TO CONTRACT OUT SOME OF THAT DATA PROCESSING TO PROFESSIONAL RESEARCHERS OR RESEARCH ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE THE DATA SCIENTISTS AND THE FOLKS WHO CAN DO THE MAGIC WITH OUR THAT ACTUALLY PROCESSES DATA MORE EFFICIENTLY SO THAT THAT CAN HAPPEN.  KARRINE IS ALSO CORRECT THAT A LOT OF THIS DATA DOES NOT DOESN'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WE WANT. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I SAW THAT WAS MISSING IN THE ORDINANCE THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT IS LOOKING AT IMMIGRATION CHARACTERISTICS, RIGHT? IF SOMEBODY IS A FOREIGN BORN PERSON BECAUSE WE DO KNOW THAT BEING AN IMMIGRANT ALSO IS ANOTHER RISK FOR HOUSING AND SECURITY HINDERED DATA DOES NOT INCLUDE THAT PARTICULAR CHARACTERISTIC. FOR EXAMPLE.  AND SO THE WAY THAT YOU END UP HAVING TO LOOK AT THAT IS BY BASICALLY DOING AN WHAT WE CALL AN ECOLOGICAL ANALYSIS OF CENSUS DATA. SO YOU LOOK FOR EXAMPLE AT WHERE ARE THE HIGH CONCENTRATIONS OF IMMIGRANTS LIVING IN BOSTON AND THE BENEFIT OF DOING THIS KIND OF WORK IN BOSTON IS THAT BOSTON IS A HYPER SEGREGATED PLACE SO YOU CAN ACTUALLY MAKE SOME PRETTY GOOD ESTIMATES OF PEOPLE'S EXPERIENCES BY DIFFERENT CHARACTERISTICS BECAUSE WE ARE SO HYPER SEGREGATED. SO IT WOULD END UP LOOKING A LITTLE BIT LIKE THAT WHICH IS WHY I THINK YOU KNOW, GIVING A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO BE THOUGHTFUL AND INTENTIONAL AND CREATIVE ABOUT HOW YOU MANAGE THE DATA IS GOING TO BE NECESSARY TO IN ORDER TO DO THIS WELL ENOUGH TO BOTH GET THE INFORMATION THAT YOU NEED TO DO THE KINDS OF IMPROVED NEEDS THAT THE OFFICE OF HOUSING IS TRYING TO DO BUT ALSO AGAIN LEGALLY JUSTIFY ANY TARGETED POLICY CHANGES IN THE IN THE CURRENT LEGAL ENVIRONMENT THAT WE LIVE IN NOW . WHAT AS THANK YOU AS MARK IS SAYING HOWEVER WE CAN DO THIS IT'S ACTUALLY FOR HOUSING FOR TWO IN PARTICULAR IS LEGALLY POSSIBLE WE JUST HAVE TO COLLECT THE RIGHT DATA TO JUSTIFY IT. THANK YOU. I SAY THAT THIS IS ALL TIMED ALTHOUGH YOU HAVE TO LEAVE WE ONLY GET ABOUT 8 MINUTES OR SEVEN. MADAM CHAIR, I LEAVE IT TO YOU TO TELL ME AND SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT ADDITION IN TERMS OF LIKE THE INTERSECTIONALITY OF IMMIGRANT POSSIBLE HOMEBUYERS AND HOW THAT IMPACTS THEIR FINANCIAL OR HOW HOW THEY'RE IMPACTED BY OTHER TYPES OF , YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT FINANCIAL STRAINS.  AND I WANTED TO GO TO CHIEF DHILLON TO SORT OF JUST RESPOND ON TO WHAT DR. LUNA IS SAYING SO THAT WE CAN SORT OF GET TO A MIDDLE GROUND HERE SO I AM NOT A RESEARCHER OBVIOUSLY, BUT I CERTAINLY I, I VERY MUCH SHARE THE COMMITMENT THAT WE THAT WE NEED TO COLLECT THE DATA IN SUCH A WAY THAT'S VERY, VERY, VERY THOUGHTFUL AND IS REALLY GOING TO BE WE SET IT UP PROPERLY ESPECIALLY ON THE HOME BUYING AND THE LOTTERY INFORMATION. I THINK SOME OF OUR OTHER PROGRAMS WE HAVE VERY GOOD DATA. THEY COULD ALWAYS PROBABLY BE IMPROVED AND I'D LOVE TO, YOU KNOW, WORK WITH A SUBSET OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE COLLECTING IN OUR GENERALLY IN OUR PROGRAMS MEETS YOUR YOUR NEEDS TO EVALUATE IN OUR NEEDS. BUT ON THE HOME BUYING AS KARINA MENTIONED YOU KNOW THEY'RE THEY'RE WE'RE INHERITING A VERY BIG BIG APPARATUS FROM THE MEDIA AND WE'VE GOT DIFFERENT WE'VE GOT DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THE DATA IS COMING IN AND TO REALLY UNDERSTAND I MEAN I REALLY LOVE LOOKING AT HISTORIC DATA AND WHETHER HOW IT CHANGES OVER TIME AND WHAT THE FACTORS ARE THAT ARE THAT ARE REALLY IMPACTING. SO I'D LOVE TO COME UP WITH THE RIGHT CONSTRUCT OF DEFINITION AND A DATA COLLECTION AND MECHANISM FOR DOING THAT.  KARINA MENTIONED THESE LOTTERIES ARE MASSIVE.  THERE'S THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN THEM RIGHT? THERE'S JUST LOTS OF DATA SETS, LOTS OF VARIABLES. SO WE DO NEED TO SPEND THE TIME AND THE MONEY.  IT'S NOT GOING TO BE CHEAP TO REALLY DO IT DO IT CORRECTLY.  SO I AGREE IT MIGHT TAKE IT AND IT'S ONE PIECE IT MIGHT TAKE A YEAR AT LEAST OR MORE BUT I REALLY DO WANT TO DO IT WITH WITH YOU ALL INCLUDING OUTSIDE ORGANIZATIONS THAT MAY REALLY BE ABLE TO HELP US THINK THROUGH HOW BEST TO DO IT. THANKS, CHIEF.  DEFINITELY OPEN TO HOPEFULLY WILL BE LISTEN TO A WORKING SESSION WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TIMELINES AND MORE MORE REALISTICALLY OR MORE PRACTICALLY. MARK AND DR. SCHOEN I GUESS OR EVEN JOANNE IF YOU HAVE A RESPONSE TO THAT IN TERMS OF THERE ARE SOME DIFFICULTIES COLLECTING DATA AND POSSIBLY CONTRACTING OUT TO A THIRD PARTY FIGURING OUT CURRENTLY LIKE YOU KNOW THE PARTNER WITH ANY DATA FIRMS THAT ASSIST TO COLLECT AN ANALYSIS OF DATA. SO WHAT WHAT ARE YOUR RESPONSES TO THAT AND WHAT IS YOUR BEEN YOUR EXPERIENCE?  HI, GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME ON TODAY.  I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP TOO MUCH TIME AS I KNOW THAT YOU ALL HAVE VALUABLE INFORMATION TO CONTRIBUTE AND AS A REAL ESTATE AGENT MY EXPERIENCE IN DATA COLLECTION IS VERY MINIMAL AS FAR AS WHEN WE ENCOUNTER CLIENTS WHO ARE STARTING THE HOMEBUYING PROCESS. I KNOW AS A REAL ESTATE BROKERAGE YOU MAKE IT OUR DUE DILIGENCE WHEN WE'RE MEETING CLIENTS WE'RE STARTING THE BUYING PHASE TO CONNECT THEM WITH RESOURCES WHO ARE FAIR, WHO ARE KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT THE THAT THE HOUSING PRODUCTS THAT THEY'RE OFFERING CLIENTS WHEN COMES TO FINANCING, WHETHER IT'S FHA, WHETHER IT BE A ONEPLUS BOSTON I PERSONALLY DON'T HAVE MUCH TO CONTRIBUTE IN TERMS OF DATA COLLECTION BECAUSE IN THE SCOPE OF OUR WORK WE ARE MORE BOOTS ON THE GROUND WHEN IT COMES TO HELPING BUYERS SEARCH FOR HOMES AND WE MAKE IT OUR DUTY AS REAL ESTATE AGENTS TO JUST EDUCATE OURSELVES ON ALL OF THE RESOURCES AVAILABLE IN THE BOSTON AND THE CITY OF BOSTON WHETHER IT'S NOT PAYMENT ASSISTANCE OR OR OTHER VALUABLE LOAN PRODUCTS WITHIN THE CITY OF BOSTON. SO THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TODAY. I'M HERE. MARCEL JUST KIND OF LISTENING TO HELP CONTRIBUTE TO ANY ANY INFORMATION THAT YOU ALL HAVE TO OFFER TODAY AS A PROFESSIONAL RESEARCHER I HIGHLY RECOMMEND WORKING WITH MAYBE NOT JUST FIRMS BUT ALSO PROFESSIONAL RESEARCHERS AND DATA SCIENTISTS WHO HAVE EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH ADVOCATES THIS AREA EITHER IN ISSUES OF SOCIAL EQUITY GENERALLY OR IN HOUSING ADVOCACY AND HOUSING GENERALLY IN LARGE PART BECAUSE YOUR LARGE DATA FIRMS THEY MAY HAVE THE SKILLS BUT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE SPECIFICS ISSUES THE SPECIFICS OF BOSTON ,THE GEOGRAPHY OF THE SPACE, THE HISTORY OF THE SPACE. SO I THINK THAT WHEN YOU LOOK FOR PARTNERS, YOU LOOK FOR FOLKS WHO ARE WHO HAVE THAT NOT JUST THE SKILL SETS BUT ALSO THE KNOWLEDGE OF THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE HOUSING HAS A VERY SPECIFIC AND UNIQUE LEGAL CIVIL RIGHTS. IT'S IN A IT'S IN A UNIQUE LEGAL CIVIL RIGHTS SPACE RELATIVE TO OTHER CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUES. AND I THINK THAT'S ALSO IMPORTANT.  YOU ALSO WANT PROFESSIONAL RESEARCHERS THAT ARE NOT THAT ARE GOING TO HELP YOU FIGURE OUT THE RIGHT STATISTICS. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR REPORTS FOR EXAMPLE, WE DIDN'T JUST CALCULATE PERCENTAGES OF THINGS RIGHT?  WE ALSO CALCULATED RELATIVE RISK BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT GIVES US THE INFORMATION ABOUT WHO ACTUALLY IS MORE OR LESS LIKELY TO BENEFIT FROM A PROGRAM OR BENEFIT FROM ACCESS OR BE BURDENED BY SOMETHING I DO SAY I MEAN WHEN IF YOU IF YOU'RE YOU'RE DOING THIS I'M ASSUMING OR I THINK IDEALLY SO THAT YOU A FOUNDATION TO CONTINUE MONITORING OVER TIME WHICH WOULD BE ONE THING I WOULD SAY TO ADD TO THE ORDINANCE THAT THIS ISN'T JUST A ONE TIME REPORT BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS A REGULAR REPORT THAT HAS TO HAPPEN MONITORING AND THOSE CHANGES OVER TIME ARE ALSO I THINK VERY IMPORTANT BOTH IN THE PERCENTAGES WHICH ARE IMPORTANT BUT ALSO AND THE GAPS BETWEEN DIFFERENT SOCIAL GROUPS BUT ALSO HOW THAT CHANGES OVER TIME. I DO THINK WORKING WITH PROFESSIONAL RESEARCHERS THOUGH WOULD ADD TO THE CAPACITY BECAUSE HONESTLY THE OFFICE OF HOUSING IS ALREADY UNDERFUNDED, UNDER-RESOURCED. THEY'RE DOING 40 BAZILLION THINGS AND SO BRINGING IN OTHER PEOPLE WITH THE EXPERTISE TO ADD TO THE CAPACITY I THINK WOULD HELP THIS OPERATE MORE EFFECTIVELY AND MORE EXPEDITIOUSLY. THANK YOU SO MUCH, ATTORNEY MARTINEZ. YEAH, I MEAN I DON'T HAVE MUCH TO ADD I MIGHT ADD MY EXPERTISE IS CERTAINLY NOT IN DATA COLLECTION. DR. STRANGELOVE NOT. I'M GOING TO LET HER SHE'S THE EXPERT HERE.  I WOULD ASK HER ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS FROM THIS PART.  THANK YOU. POSSIBLE TO ADD ANYTHING, COUNSELOR SORRY . CARINA SURE.  OH, THANK YOU SO MUCH. I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT I THINK THERE ARE CERTAIN ANALYTICAL CHALLENGES AROUND YOU KNOW, THE CENSUS DATA THAT THE DATA THAT DR. ESTRELLA YOU DO NOT MANAGE AND WE DO HAVE A ROBUST CANNULA SAMPLE AGE WHO I THINK CAN WORK EITHER INDEPENDENTLY OR CERTAINLY IN COLLABORATION WITH OUTSIDE RESEARCH RESEARCHERS TO HANDLE THAT ANALYSIS. I THINK THE REAL CHALLENGE AND THE REAL TIME TAKING EFFORT IS AROUND OUR APPLICATION DATA AND THE CURRENT WAY IT'S COLLECTED. I THINK THAT IS VERY PRESSING TO RESOLVE TO ANSWER A LOT OF THE KEY QUESTIONS THAT ARE RAISED IN THIS ORDER IN TERMS OF WHO IS ACCESSING OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THE UNITS, THE FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE AND SO FORTH. AND AND WHAT IS RACIAL EQUITY LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF THAT ACCESS AND CURRENTLY THE WAY WE'RE COLLECTING THAT DATA IS INSUFFICIENT FOR THE AMOUNT OF DATA THAT'S BEING COLLECTED AND FOR THE KIND OF INTERSECTIONAL ANALYSIS THAT'S BEING ASKED FOR. SO I THINK THAT YOU KNOW, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IS ONE OF THE MOST PRESSING THINGS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS HERE AND I DO THINK IT WILL TAKE TIME TO ADDRESS THAT ISSUE AND PUT SYSTEMS IN PLACE THAT ADDRESS THAT ISSUE AND ALLOW US TO COLLECT THE DATA EVEN BEFORE WE CAN ANALYZE IT. IT'S VERY DOABLE IF WE ARE INTENTIONAL ABOUT IT AND I WOULD VERY MUCH LOOK FORWARD TO DOING SO. I THINK IT'S IT'S OF PARAMOUNT IMPORTANCE. I THINK THAT IS THE REAL CHALLENGE FOR US TO SINK OUR TEETH INTO AS SOON AS POSSIBLE . I GUESS I'M TRYING TO GO BACK TO MY ORIGINAL QUESTION IN TERMS OF LIKE HOW DOES HOW DO YOU CURRENTLY COLLECTED DATA AND THEN AS IT'S REPRESENTED IN THIS DEPARTMENT AND THEN AS WELL AS LIKE HOW IS IT THINKING THROUGH THE WAYS TO IMPROVE THE DATA OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW IN TERMS OF INVESTMENTS IF THERE IS A WILL THERE'S A WAY IN TERMS YES, IT'S EXPENSIVE BUT IT'S SUCH A DETRIMENT TO BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE TO OUR IMMIGRANT POPULATION AS WELL TO DR. ESTRADA'S POINT AND WHERE IF SOMETHING NEEDS INVESTMENT FOR US TO CHANGE, FOR US TO NOT ACTIVELY OR INACTIVE WE INTERACT WE'D BE SO SYSTEMIC OPPRESSIVE OR RACIST HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE INVEST IN IN WHAT WAYS ARE YOU THINKING THROUGH THE WAYS THAT WE CAN IMPROVE THE DATA COLLECTION BECAUSE IT'S AT THIS POINT IT LOOKS LIKE IF WE KNOW THAT IT'S A DETRIMENT FOR FINANCIAL STATUS AND WE CANNOT PASS GENERATIONAL WEALTH AND WE IT KEEPS US IMPOVERISHED AND IT KEEPS US MARGINALIZED THEREFORE BLACK PEOPLE ARE IMPOVERISHED, DIED 22 YEARS SOONER THAN OUR COUNTERPARTS IN BACK BAY FROM ROXBURY TO BACK BAY. THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS.  OBVIOUSLY PEOPLE THIS IS A LIFE AND DEATH THING AND SO I WOULD SAY AGAIN INCUMBENT UPON THE CITY TO INVEST.  SO THE A MATTER OF MAKING IT THE POINT ABOUT EXPENSIVE AI IS TAKEN BUT YET YOU KNOW WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS, WHEN WE LOOK AT ALL THESE STUDIES, IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO HAPPEN. THE CONVERSATION HERE THEN BECOMES HOW DO WE DO IT NOT WHETHER OR NOT OR HOW EXPENSIVE OR WHAT YOU KNOW HOW HARD IT'S GOING TO BE BUT HOW DO WE WORK TOGETHER TO MAKE IT HAPPEN?  SO BECAUSE I DO HAVE TO LEAVE IN 5 MINUTES FOR ANOTHER MEETING I WOULD OFFER THIS THOUGHT FOR FOR THE COUNCIL AND FOR THE OFFICE OF HOUSING TO TO THINK ABOUT YOU HAVE A BOATLOAD OF DATA IT'S MESSY. IT'S ON ALL THESE DIFFERENT PLACES. IT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT TOGETHER IDEALLY IN ONE DATA OR AT LEAST IN CONNECTED DATASETS IT CAN BE CONNECTED AND THEN YOU HAVE THE PROCESSES THAT YOU NEED TO CHANGE GOING FORWARD. AND SO ONE THING THAT MIGHT NEED TO BE THOUGHT ABOUT IS AND THIS IS WHAT WE HAD TO DO WITH HIM THE DATA IN PARTICULAR IS ONE PROCESS HAVING ONE INITIATIVE OR ONE SET OF WORK THAT IS WORKING ON THAT HISTORIC DATA GOING BACK HOWEVER FAR BACK IT MIGHT BE REASONABLE THAT IS JUST DOING THAT AND MAYBE THAT GETS CONTRACTED OUT BECAUSE THAT'S A DATA SCIENCE CHALLENGE, RIGHT? AND THEN YOU HAVE THE CURRENT WORK THAT I'M SO HAPPY TO HEAR YOU TALKING ABOUT WHICH IS YOU KNOW, MAKING THESE CURRENT BOTH APPLICATION PROCESSES AND EXPERIENCES BUT ALSO THE DATA THAT'S COLLECTED THROUGH THAT WORKING ON THAT AS I SAID IS A SEPARATE PROCESS MOVING FORWARD AND THERE NEEDS TO BE THOSE TWO PROCESSES NEED TO TALK TO EACH OTHER RIGHT BECAUSE AT SOME POINT THEY NEED TO THEY NEED TO BE CONNECTED BUT THEY MAY NEED TO BE TWO DIFFERENT PROCESSES IN ORDER TO BOTH UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE NOW SO THAT WE CAN START MAKING POLICY CHOICES AND AND IMPROVEMENTS TO PROGRAMS NOW WHICH CLEARLY YOU ALL HAVE BEEN DOING BUT ALSO THAT YOU'RE NOT WAITING FOR TO YOU'RE NOT WAITING TO GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER NOW TO LOOK AT WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN HAPPENING AND IDENTIFY THE THINGS THAT ARE THAT CAN BE IDENTIFIED FROM HISTORIC EXPERIENCE. SO I IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER ABOUT THE INTERNAL WORK WITH THE FANTASTIC ANALYSTS ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT HAVE MOVED OVER FROM BP BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE ACTUALLY REALLY GOOD TECHNICAL SKILLS OF FIGURING OUT EITHER WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN MOVING FORWARD WITH A SEPARATE INITIATIVE POTENTIALLY CONTRACTED OUT TRYING TO RESOLVE AND CONNECT ALL THESE DISPARATE DATA SETS AND THE MESSY THERE AND THEN WORKING TOGETHER ON CONNECTING THEM OVER TIME THAT MIGHT BE THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY SO THAT YOU'RE NOT JUST DEALING YOU'RE NOT JUST DEALING WITH SYMPTOMS OF TODAY'S PROBLEMS BUT YOU'RE ALSO MOVING FORWARD ON BOTH ENDS. SO JUST SOMETHING TO CONSIDER MIGHT NEED TO HAPPEN. AND JUST TO REITERATE, YES IT WILL REQUIRE RESOURCES.  IT ABSOLUTELY WILL REQUIRE RESOURCES AND IT WILL REQUIRE TIME TO DO WELL. BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR GIVING US YOUR TIME, YOUR EXPERTISE.  WE ARE GOING TO DEFINITELY BE LEANING INTO YOU. I HOPE THAT'S OKAY. I'M INTO YOUR WORK AS WELL SO THAT WE CAN IMPROVE THIS ORDINANCE HOPEFULLY AND I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU BEFORE YOU LEFT AND WANTED TO THANK MADAM CHAIR FOR GIVING ME SOME TIME TO GET MY QUESTIONS OUT TO DR. THEY ELENA AND YIELD MY TIME TO MY COLLEAGUES. THANK YOU. HAVE A GOOD ONE, EVERYONE.  SEE YOU LATER. THANK YOU SO MUCH AND THANK YOU, JACK CRUMBS FOR EVERY CITIZEN I AT SOME POINT I'M GOING TO HAVE TO TURN OVER THE CHAIR TO VICE CHAIR WEBER BUT BEFORE THAT I WANTED TO ASK CARINA AND ACTUALLY I WAS TRYING TO TAKE NOTES AS YOU WERE GIVING YOUR PRESENTATION ABOUT WHAT YOU DO TRACK AND SO TO TALKING ABOUT LOCATION AND TYPE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING APPLICANTS TO LOTTERIES THAT BASED ON UNIT ETHNICITY GENDERS, BUYERS INCOME RESTRICTED UNITS, FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE PROVIDED TO HOME BUYERS THAT WHOLE LIST EVERYTHING THAT YOU DO TRACK IF YOU COULD PROVIDE THAT IN WRITTEN FORM THAT WOULD BE GREAT AND ALSO WHAT YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO REPORT ON THE APPLICANTS THE WAITING TIME TO ACCEPT APPLICANTS ALL OF THAT WHATEVER YOU HAD MENTIONED CARINA THAT WOULD BE USEFUL TO US. YES, WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP WITH THAT IN WRITING. I CAN ALSO SPEAK DIRECTLY TO COUNCILOR FERNANDEZ ANDERSON'S QUESTION AROUND HOW WE TRACK THINGS, HOW WE TRACK THIS DATA, HOW WE COLLECT THIS DATA CURRENTLY AND WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND MOVING FORWARDS IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE IF THAT'S STILL ANNOUNCED. ANY QUESTION YOU MEAN YOU CAN SPEAK TO IT NOW? YOU COULD PROVIDE IT TO ME EITHER. I'M HAPPY TO SPEAK TO IT NOW IF THERE'S TIME YEAH IF YOU CAN OUTLINE THAT FOR US THAT WOULD BE GREAT.  AND THEN REALLY QUICK BEFORE I FORGET YOU DID MENTION THAT THERE WERE VARIOUS CITY AGENCIES HEAD OVER OVER THESE DIFFERENT DATA SYSTEMS AND THIRD PARTY THEIR PARTY ENTITIES THAT GO FROM TOURING TO BUYING AND THEN VERIFYING ELIGIBILITY YOU COULD PROVIDE I DON'T KNOW IF IT ALREADY EXISTS BUT IT WORKED HARD FROM START TO FINISH IF THAT'S POSSIBLE.  I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SEE THIS FOR WEB AND NETWORK OF OF WHO WHO OVERSEES WHAT THAT WOULD BE USEFUL FOR ME . BUT IF YOU'D LIKE TO EXPAND ON ON THE QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED COUNCILWOMAN MAYBE SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU AND YES WE CAN PROVIDE THAT. SO THERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT DATA SETS HERE. DIFFERENT DATA SETS WILL ANSWER DIFFERENT QUESTIONS RAISED IN THIS WATER AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, I THINK THE MOST CHALLENGING DATA IS THE DATA PERTAINING TO OUR APPLICATION PROCESS APPLICATION AND LEASE UP FOR OUR INCOME RESTRICTED UNIT. SO I THINK WE'RE ON VERY SOLID GROUND AROUND FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE BEING PROVIDED TO HOMEBUYERS AS SHEILA MENTIONED AND SOME OF THE OTHER DATA SETS THAT WE ALREADY SPOKE ABOUT THAT WE ALREADY TRACK WHICH I'LL SUMMARIZE IN WRITING BUT I THINK AROUND APPLICATION AND OCCUPANCY IS SOME OF THE MORE CHALLENGING DATA. THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY COLLECTED IS THROUGH AN ONLINE PORTAL BUT ESSENTIALLY A DIFFERENT PORTAL FOR EVERY LOTTERY AND THE WAY THAT DATA IS RECEIVED BY US OR BY THE LEASING THAT WE WORK WITH IS AN INDIVIDUAL RECORD.  SO EVERY TIME AN APPLICANT APPLIES TO A UNIT, EACH APPLICANT EACH UNIT FOR EACH PROJECT SPITS OUT AN INDIVIDUAL BASICALLY EXCEL SHEET AN INDIVIDUAL EXCEL SHEET WITH SOME OF THE DATA THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EXCEL SHEET HAS DIFFERENT FIELDS FOR EACH PROJECT. THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS CONSISTENT SO IT'S VERY HARD FOR THEM TO TO EACH OTHER. SO THAT'S THAT'S THE WAY THAT DATA IS CURRENTLY CAPTURED GOING FORWARD WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS ESTABLISH A DEDICATED ENGAGEMENT BETWEEN THE MAYOR'S OFFICE OF HOUSING AND DUET PROCURE A TECHNOLOGY VENDOR TO SCOPE AND DEVELOP A NEW TECHNOLOGY FOR COLLECTING THIS DATA FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS AND POTENTIALLY SOME NEW SOFTWARE LICENSING SO THAT WE'RE NOT GETTING INDIVIDUAL RECORDS THAT AREN'T RECONCILE AND ALL THAT WILL REQUIRE MANUAL RECONCILIATION AND THEN POTENTIALLY THERE WILL LIKELY NEED TO BE A HIGHER OR AN ONGOING SUPPORT CONTRACT TO MAINTAIN THIS NEW SYSTEM. BUT I THINK THE BENEFIT OF THAT APPROACH IS IT ESTABLISHES A PROCESS FOR OUR HOUSING SEEKERS THAT IS MUCH MORE ACCESSIBLE, MUCH MORE NAVIGABLE AND MUCH MORE USER FRIENDLY.  IT WILL WHICH WILL IMPROVE OUTCOMES JUST IN AND OF ITSELF WHILE ALSO ALLOWING US TO COLLECT THE DATA WE NEED TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHETHER ADDITIONAL SHIFTS IN PROCESSES AND POLICIES ARE REQUIRED TO RESULT IN BETTER MORE EQUITABLE OUTCOMES FOR OUR BIPOC MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.  THANK YOU FOR THAT CORINA I WANT TO NOTE THAT WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY COUNCILOR BROWN AND COUNCILOR DYER, PRESIDENT AND CEO LOUIJEUNE FOR NOW I'M TO PASS IT OVER TO VICE CHAIR WEBER FOR HIS QUESTIONS SAYING THAT COUNCILORS HIS LEFT AND THEN GO IN THE ORDER OF ARRIVAL. I APOLOGIZE EVERYBODY I HAVE TO GO TO HIS PRICE FOR GRADUATION SO I'M GOING TO PASS IT OVER TO VICE CHAIR WICKER THANK YOU EVERYONE.  I THANK YOU CHAIR I, UH I SEE I WAS GOING TO DEFER TO THE THE ORIGINAL SPONSORS.  I SEE COUNCIL PRESIDENT LOUIJEUNE IS OFF AND OF COUNCILOR WORRELL WANTED TO JUMP IN.  IF NOT I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS.  I GUESS SO CHIEF DILLON JUST SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS SO A REPORTING LIKE THIS WOULD I KNOW IF YOU KNEW WHAT PRIOR PRACTICES IN TERMS OF LIKE ENGAGING OUTSIDE FIRMS TO CONTRACT.  SO IN THE PAST AND I'M TRYING TO THINK IF THERE'S BEEN ANY EXCEPTIONS TO THIS OVER THAT OVER THE RECENT YEARS IN THE PAST WE WE DO HAVE A SMALL POLICY AND RESEARCH TEAM MADE UP OF AND NOW IS CURRENTLY THE DIRECTOR AND TWO OR THREE PEOPLE THAT WORK ON BOTH A LOT OF DATA COLLECTION A LOT OF AND A LOT OF REPORTING ON THE DATA AND THEN THOSE FOLKS ARE ALSO VERY MUCH ENGAGED IN PROGRAM DESIGN AND AND POLICIES SO WE DO HAVE A SMALL A SMALL BUT PRETTY MIGHTY TEAM AND THEY ARE PROVIDING US, YOU KNOW, REALLY GOOD ANALYSIS ON THE INTERSECTION RACE OUR PROGRAMS OUTCOMES OVER TIME SOME OF THE REPORTS ARE STANDARD WE DO THEM EVERY YEAR BUT I THINK A THEY'RE AN INTENTIONAL REPORT ON RACE, HOUSING AND RACE ESPECIALLY WHEN WE CAN I WON'T SAY FIXED BUT CERTAINLY MAKE THE DATA COLLECTION AND REPORTING ON OUR LOTTERIES WHO'S ACCESSING WHO'S APPLYING FOR WHO'S ACCESSING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT WERE THAT WE'RE HELPING PRODUCE IS KEY TO THAT BUT I WE DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW ONE REPORT THAT COMES OUT ON A CERTAIN A CERTAIN TIME OF YEAR ON RACE AND HOUSING WE HAVE WE HAVE INFORMATION ON DEMOGRAPHICS OF COURSE ALONG WITH THE BP DAYS RESEARCH TEAM AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF DATA AND SOME OF THAT WE PRESENTED AT THE CITY COUNCIL BUDGET HEARING ON OUR PROGRAMS AND WHO'S ACCESSING THEM AND HOW MUCH AND HOW SUCCESSFUL THEY ARE.  BUT WE DON'T HAVE A REPORT THAT BRINGS ALL OF THAT TOGETHER.  SO I THINK IT'S I THINK WE HAVE TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO IN-HOUSE, ESPECIALLY AFTER WE THE RIGHT SUPPORT FROM DO IT OR WHETHER THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE MAY WANT TO BRING SOME YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE EYES ON AND THEN I GUESS IN IN TERMS OF THE DATA DISCUSSED IN THE ORDINANCE, DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS THAT YOU KNOW ,I THINK DR. MENTIONED BPA OR THAT THAT THAT HAVE DATA LIKE THIS THAT YOU CAN PULL FROM?  WELL, THERE'S I THINK WE HAVE TO EXPAND THE CONVERSATION AND CORINA, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF YOU IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD OR THINK I'M WRONG BUT THAT THE VHA HAS HAS IS COLLECTING DATA AND I I'M NOT HERE TO SPEAK ON IT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH BUT THEY'RE DOING YOU KNOW THEY'RE RENTING UP AND PROVIDING RESOURCE IS TO THEIR THEIR TENANTS THE BPA COLLECTS RESEARCH CERTAINLY THERE IS A FAIR HOUSING OFFICE RIGHT SO I DO THINK IT'S PART OF THIS EXERCISE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS, OTHER DIVISIONS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT MISSING OR MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE COLLABORATING AND BRINGING ALL THAT DATA TOGETHER BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO GIVE US THE MOST COMPLETE PICTURE.  CORINNE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD ON THAT BUT WELL I THINK I THINK THEY'RE YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME DATA AROUND QUESTIONS AROUND LIKE WHO IS RENTING IN BOSTON WHAT WHAT WHAT IS THE RENTAL PROFILE LOOK LIKE? HOW HAS IT CHANGED OR HOW MANY MORE RENTERS DO WE HAVE? SAME ON THE HOMEOWNERSHIP SIDE WHICH WAS MENTIONED IN THE ORDER THAT CENSUS DATA THAT'S HUM THE DATA WE HAVE THAT WE CAN DO THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT INTERNALLY.  I THINK THE CHALLENGES AROUND THE DATA PERTAINING TO OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS AND OCCUPANCY AND APPLICATION THE ENTIRE SOUP DO NOT APPLICATION THE OCCUPANCY PROCESS THERE THAT'S DATA THAT ONLY IS COLLECTED BY US OR BY THIRD PARTY LEASING AGENTS THAT WE WORK WITH.  THERE'S NO OTHER WAY TO ACCESS THAT DATA AND AS I MENTIONED BEFORE THAT DATA IS NOT IN A FORMAT THAT'S USER FRIENDLY TO SAY THE LEAST. SO I THINK IF WE CORRECTED THAT WHICH WE CAN CERTAINLY DO WITH YOU KNOW, INVESTMENT FOCUS, COMMITMENT AND TIME WE CAN DO THE ANALYSIS AND PERHAPS THE ANALYSIS ITSELF IS NOT THAT HARD. IT'S A SOPHISTICATED AND AND KEY ANALYSIS THAT SHOULD BE DONE. BUT THE REAL BARRIER HERE IS AROUND DATA COLLECTION SO THAT WE HAVE THE DATA IN A FORMAT THAT FOR THE ANALYSIS THAT SAID, I THINK SHEILA IS CORRECT WE WOULD WE WOULD CERTAINLY BE REACHING OUT NOT ONLY TO DIFFERENT DIVISIONS AND AMONG EACH WHO WORK ON THESE PROGRAMS AND POLICIES AND COLLECT THE DATA CURRENTLY TO IMPROVE HOW IT'S COLLECTED BUT ALSO WORKING WITH THE VHA WHICH WAS A KEY PARTNER AND HAVE YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE QUESTIONS RAISED IN THE AUDIENCE. OKAY.  AND THEN I GUESS CHIEF MAYBE CORINA TURNING MARTINEZ WANTS TO WEIGH AND THEY'LL BE GOOD AT IT JUST IN TERMS OF LIKE WHAT TIME SPAN WOULD BE USEFUL TO HAVE THIS DATA. I MEAN IF IT GOES BACK TO 1980, YOU KNOW, I WOULD THINK WE'D WANT TO SEE TRENDS. I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE I SEE IT THAT THE TIME FRAME FOR REPORTING AND WE JUST LOOKING FROM TODAY FORWARD I DON'T THINK THAT I I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE PRODUCTIVE TO GO BACK HOW FAR DO WE WANT TO GO BACK? OBVIOUSLY THE GOAL IF WE MAKE THIS SO THAT WE'RE GETTING IRRELEVANT DATA FROM 1975 WOULD YOU KNOW I GUESS I'LL START WITH YOU CHIEF. WHAT DO YOU THINK WOULD BE USEFUL?  SO I THINK HISTORIC DATA IS IS ALWAYS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT ILLUMINATING IT TELLS US WHERE WE'RE GOING. I THINK IF I WAS TO PRIORITIZE THOUGH EFFORT RIGHT AND I WOULD SAY WHAT DO WE DO FIRST, SECOND, THIRD BECAUSE WE ARE SPENDING NOW BECAUSE WE HAVE POLICIES NOW THAT ARE IMPACTING PEOPLE I WOULD PROBABLY FOCUS ON GOING FORWARD MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE REPORTING SORT OF CURRENT DATA SETS AND IMPACT AND PROGRAMS AND OUTCOMES OF PROGRAMS AND THEN CERTAINLY START LOOKING BACKWARDS. BUT I WOULD FOCUS ON GOING FORWARD FIRST BECAUSE WE'RE SPENDING MONEY AND WE DO OUR BEST LOOKING AT DATA. WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT DATA TO SEE WHERE WE SHOULD BE SPENDING OUR MONEY AND WHAT PROGRAMS SHOULD BE LIKE AND AND LOOKING AT OUR POLICIES AND WE REALLY DO USE THE BEST DATA WE HAVE TO DO THAT. SO I WOULD FOCUS THERE AND THEN I WOULD HEAD BACK. BUT CARINA OR MARK I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING I WOULD JUST ADD I THINK DR. ESTRELLA LUNA HAS DONE SOME VERY GOOD RETROSPECTIVE ANALYSIS THAT REALLY TELLS US, YOU KNOW WHAT THE CHALLENGES CERTAINLY HAVE BEEN AND PERHAPS CONTINUE TO BE. AND I THINK WE I THINK THAT'S THAT'S VERY RIGOROUS, VERY STRONG HIGH QUALITY ANALYSIS IF WE'RE INTERESTED IN HISTORICAL TRENDS. I THINK THE REAL QUESTION I HATE TO SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD BUT I THINK THE REAL QUESTION OF THIS ORDER WHO ARE CITY PROGRAMS AND RESOURCES SERVING WHO'S ACCESSING THEM AND WHAT IS THEIR EXPERIENCE LIKE IN TERMS OF ACCESSING THEM AND I THINK WE CAN ONLY DO THAT GOING FORWARD NEED TO POSITION OURSELVES TO COLLECT THAT DATA IN A WAY THAT ALLOWS US TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL HAVE RAISED GOING FORWARD AND THAT THAT I ECHO SHEILA'S COMMENT SORRY CHIEF JOHN'S COMMENT THAT THAT'S GOING TO ALLOW US TO MAKE MORE STRATEGIC DECISIONS AROUND POLICY AND INVESTMENT OF INVESTMENT OF RESOURCES. YEAH.  I WOULD JUST QUICKLY ECHO ALL OF THAT. I AGREED I THINK IN AN IDEAL WORLD WHERE WE HAVE ALL THE MONEY AND ALL THE TIME TO DO ALL OF IT WE DO ALL OF IT BUT I THINK RIGHT THERE ARE JUST LEGITIMATE CHALLENGES COLLECTING HISTORIC DATA, RIGHT? THE WAYS IN WHICH RACE AND ETHNICITY HAVE BEEN COLLECTED OVER TIME HAVE CONSISTENTLY CHANGED WHICH MAKES DOING THOSE KIND OF LONGER HISTORICAL STUDIES REALLY DIFFICULT AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, TRUTH BE TOLD I AM NOT SPEAKING FOR ME I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED ANOTHER REPORT TO SAY THAT THERE'S BEEN A HISTORY OF RACIAL DISCRIMINATION IN HOUSING IN BOSTON. I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYONE NEEDS ANY MORE CONVINCING OF THAT AND SO I THINK THAT'S BEEN REALLY WELL DOCUMENTED IN LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS. AND SO YEAH, I WOULD SAY AGAIN IN A WORLD IN WHICH WE CAN DO EVERYTHING AT THE SAME TIME. SURE LET'S DO IT. BUT IN A WORLD IN WHICH WE HAVE TO PRIORITIZE. I THINK STARTING FROM NOW TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE AT BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE A PRETTY STRONG UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN. YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S THE BEST THE TOP PRIORITY FOR MOVING FORWARD.  I AGREE AND I WOULD ALSO JUST ADD IN TERMS OF TIMELINE, I DON'T THINK WE'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE A 3 TO 5 YEARS HERE. I THINK WE CAN POSITION OURSELVES TO DO THIS ANALYSIS IN A SHORTER TIMELINE.  OKAY. THANK YOU.  SINCE I'VE BEEN HANDED THE CHAIR BATON, I'M JUST I'M GOING TO PASS IT ON. COUNCILOR FLYNN WAS IN THE ORDER. HE I DON'T SEE HIM HERE. COUNCILOR MAGUIRE YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU WERE JUST YOU KNOW, I'LL SAID IT AT 6 MINUTES. WE'LL SEE WHERE WE'RE AT THERE . THANK YOU. THANK YOU, EVERYONE. I'M REALLY HAPPY TO BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION WITH YOU ALL AND I THINK IT IS VERY INSIGHTFUL IN DESCRIPTION OF THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT WE ALREADY KNOW WHAT WE DON'T KNOW BEFORE NO REQUEST PACKAGE HOW TO PUT OUT BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BEEN SO LAID OUT AND I THINK THAT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO MAKE TO UTILIZE THE EXISTING DATA TO TO BE ABLE TO SENSE TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND THE BENCHMARKS OF OUR PROGRESS. RIGHT. AND USE THAT AS JUST KIND OF LIKE THE BENCHMARK DIGITAL PAYMENT TRACK AND AND ANALYZE THE IMPACT IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU TOLD ME . SO I THINK THAT WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN TALKED TO MULTIPLE OUTCOMES SET THE STAGE AND THEN I'M MORE INTERESTED IS KIND OF LIKE WHAT DOES SUCCESS LOOK LIKE RIGHT DON'T NEED THAT INFORMATION. YOU KNOW WHAT WHAT WHEN I GO AND SPEAK TO THE BEST THE BEST THE METRICS THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE SEE HOW THE CITY IS DOING TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE. JUST CURIOUS FROM GOT THE INFORMATION THAT SHE NEEDS AND WHAT'S THE POINT MORE TO I THINK IT'S GOOD TO GET BACK TO WHAT WE SHOULD BE SO ACTUALLY STUCK BETWEEN IF YOU HAVE SEEN OTHER CITIES OVER THE TO THE PUBLIC WAS ACCESS ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN SHARE TO INFORM OUR CITY IT IS FOR PEOPLE.  DO YOU WANT TO MENTION SOME OF THE OTHER CITIES THAT YOUR SERVES? WELL I WOULD FIRST MENTION THAT WE DO HAVE SOME METRICS AND BENCHMARKS ALREADY ESTABLISHED FOR BOSTON ON THIS SUBJECT. SO THE BOSTON HOUSING STRATEGY 2025 SETS QUANTITATIVE TARGETS FOR US TO WORK TOWARDS WHICH WILL GUIDE POLICY DECISIONS AND INVESTMENT SO FOR EXAMPLE WE'RE WORKING TO SUPPORT 750 NEW HOMEOWNERS BY 2025 AT LEAST 65% OF THEM WILL BE BIPOC AND WE'RE AIMING TO REDUCE ANNUAL EVICTION EXECUTION. BUT BEFORE YOU GO THERE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND MY QUESTION IS JUST DO DIFFERENT.  I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IS, YOU KNOW, IN REGARDS TO THE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE IN THAT WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT LIKE WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO TO GET ACROSS JUST I'M SORRY I'M HAVING HAVING TROUBLE HEARING YOU THERE'S SOME BREAKING UP OR INTERFERENCE I THINK YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT BENCHMARKS AND TARGETS AND METRICS BUT I'M NOT SURE SPECIFICALLY IF I WAS OFF TRACK WHAT WHAT TRACK YOU'D LIKE ME TO BE ON.  YOU HAVE A CAN YOU GUYS CAN YOU HEAR ME ? YOU'RE BREAKING UP. YEAH. LET ME LET ME THANK YOU, CHRIS AND TRY TO GET TO I UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY ALREADY HAS BENCHMARKS AND METRICS AND I APPRECIATE THAT. THE PROBLEM IS I WOULD USE WHAT I HAVE SEEN HERE IS THAT THERE WAS I ACTUALLY JUST PAINTED AND ALL OF THAT WAS ABJECT FAILURE, NOT ACCIDENT. THAT'S VERY RIGHT AND I'M CURIOUS ABOUT SOLUTIONS. SO IF YOU JUST GAVE ME A PLACE I'M REALLY SORRY I JUST THE THE AUDIO QUALITY IS NOT ALLOWING ME TO UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. THAT'S OKAY. I CONSIDER WHETHER I'M GOING TO LOG OFF AND LOG BACK IN MY TIME IS PROBABLY UP ANYWAY BECAUSE I'VE HAD SO MANY ISSUES WITH MY INTERNET. YEAH IT COUNCILOR MAKING WHY WHY YOU JUST LOG BACK IN WE'LL GO WE'LL GO TO SOMEONE ELSE AND THEN YOU CAN YOU KNOW GIVE ME AS MUCH TIME AS YOU NEED SO JUST COUNCILOR . COUNCIL PRESIDENT LOUIJEUNE RIGHT HERE.  OKAY? YES, I'M HERE. I'M HERE ARE. OKAY. THANK YOU AND APOLOGIES. I WAS ON RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING AND THEN I ALSO HAD SOME AUDIO ISSUES AND IS MULTITASKING SO BUT I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE. I WANT TO THANK MY COLLEAGUE COUNCILOR FERNANDA ANDERSON FOR THIS REALLY IMPORTANT FILING. I'VE BEEN ABLE TO LISTEN IN AT SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AND I DO BELIEVE THAT I HAVE HEARD BOTH CHIEF DILLON AND CARINA ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR CURRENT REPORTING AND WHETHER IT BE THAT THEIR HOUSING INSTABILITY IN OTHER AREAS ARE THE AREAS WHERE IN HOUSING LIKE IN THE REPORTS THAT CURRENTLY EXIST ARE THEY ALL TRACKING SPATIAL DATA?  AND I THINK A LOT OF THE A LOT OF THE SO-CALLED REPORTS THAT WE TRACK OR A LOT OF THE DATA SOURCES DO TRACK RACE AND ETHNICITY DATA POINTS. IT'S OF COURSE VOLUNTARY BY THE HOUSING SECTOR. AND SO IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A 100% COHESIVE DATA SET BUT IT IS A QUESTION ASKED. SO IF I IF I COULD I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PROGRAMS ARE COLLECTING NEIGHBORHOOD AND RACE DATA THINGS LIKE THE STUDENT HOUSING REPORT COMES TO MIND AND KARINA CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG THERE IS NOT RACE DATA IN THAT IN THE STUDENT HOUSING REPORT. SO THERE ARE SOME REPORTS AND SOME DATA SETS THAT WE COLLECT AND ANALYZE THAT DO NOT HAVE A IT'S SORT OF A A RACE WHERE WE'RE NOT COLLECTING RACE DATA AND ANALYZING IT. SO BUT THE VAST MAJORITY OF AND I THINK IT WAS A REQUESTED COUNCIL LOUIJEUNE THAT WE SEND OVER ALL OF THE DATA SETS THAT WE ARE COLLECTING AND WE SO WE CAN WE CAN CERTAINLY THEN DO THAT LIKE ALL THE PROGRAM, ALL THE EXPENDITURES LOOKING AT WHETHER WE'RE COLLECTING THE DATA AND ANALYZING IT AND WHETHER THEY HAVE WHETHER WE'RE LOOKING AT RACE AND SO WE CAN ITEMIZE THAT.  BUT THERE ARE A FEW THAT COME TO MIND LIKE THE STUDENT HOUSING REPORT WHERE THAT IS NOT A THAT IS NOT A FACTOR. YEAH, BUT I APOLOGIZE.  APOLOGIES I MISUNDERSTAND I MISUNDERSTOOD THE QUESTION FOR THE REPORTS THAT WE ISSUE THAT REFLECT OUR ANALYSIS OF TRENDS IN BOSTON OUR HOMEOWNERSHIP FOR OUR HOMEOWNERSHIP REPORT FOR EXAMPLE, LOOKS AT RACE WHEN WE LOOK AT THINGS LIKE RENT BURDEN AND HOUSING STABILITY, WE LOOK AT RACE IT'S TRUE OUR STUDENT HOUSING REPORT DOES NOT BECAUSE OF DATA AVAILABILITY LIMITATIONS THAT DATA IS JUST ISN'T COLLECTED BY INSTITUTE AND I WHAT I WHAT I DO WANT TO LOOK AT TO I KNOW THAT WE ARE TO HMAS NOT THAT WE FIND ALL OF THE SHELTER SYSTEM IN BOSTON BUT TO OUR HMAS DATA LOOKING AT HOMELESS POPULATIONS THERE IS THERE ARE RACE FIELDS THERE TOO SO I THINK WE JUST NEED TO SPEND SOME TIME AND JUST ITEMIZE FOR YOU AND FOR US EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE COLLECTING AND AND WHAT MIGHT NOT HAVE WHAT WE ALL NEED AND WHAT WE THINK YOU KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO. BUT I WE CAN GET THAT OVER TO YOU IN SHORT ORDER I WOULD YOU BUT SUMMARIZING SORRY WOULD SUMMARIZE THOUGH THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR PROGRAMS AND DATA SETS THAT WE DO COLLECT DO DO COLLECT INFORMATION ON RACE AND WE DO ANALYZE IT OKAY UM I GUESS I, I CAN'T HEAR ANYTHING. IT'S MY YEAH, YEAH WE SEEM TO BE LOSING YOU. UH OH, OKAY. I THOUGHT MY QUESTION IS ABOUT THE ANALYSIS THAT YOU DO DO THIS IS AN ORDINANCE THAT CALLS FOR ENFORCEMENT AND UM, I DON'T KNOW IF THE ANALYSIS THAT YOU CURRENTLY ARE DOING LEADS TO ENFORCEMENT. I'M WONDERING HOW YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT WHAT ENFORCEMENT COULD AND SHOULD LOOK LIKE HERE . SORRY . MAYBE IF I DIDN'T I DON'T I THINK IS IS THE I'M SORRY I THINK THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN IN A WAY THAT OR THE HEARING THE ORDER IS WRITTEN IN STAIRWAY THAT THAT THERE'S AN ENFORCEMENT THAT THE DATA WILL BE COLLECTED AND ANALYZED RIGHT SO I DON'T THINK IT'S ENFORCEMENT BEYOND THAT BUT I MAY MISS I MAY BE MISUNDERSTANDING OKAY AND I'LL I'LL ALSO LEAVE IT TO THE CHAIR TO CLARIFY THAT THERE'S NOT ANY SORT OF EXTERNAL ENFORCEMENT IS JUST ENSURING THAT OUR INTERNAL DEPARTMENTS ARE DOING THE REPORTING THAT WILL ALLOW FOR A DEEP BEAR LIKE EQUITY ANALYSIS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITHIN THE CITY. SO I THINK THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS AND I WANT TO THANK THE MAKER. I WANT TO THANK THE ADVOCATE. IT'S AND THE ADMINISTRATION FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU COUNCILOR WEBER CHAIR FOR INDULGING IN SORT OF MY RESUME ISSUES. THANK YOU.  LOOK OKAY. THANK YOU, MADAM PRESIDENT. I CONCILOR MEJIA HERE IF YOU YOU WANT A MINUTE.  THANK YOU YOU OVER ONE MINUTE SOMETIMES IF THAT IF THAT WORKS I DON'T EVEN GET MY WHOLE 6 MINUTES ELSEWHERE BUT I APPRECIATE THAT THE MANAGEMENT HERE SO I HOPE MY QUESTIONS WERE THE MUCH LENGTH ALLOWED IN TERMS OF PEOPLE SO I DID SOMETHING ABOUT THAT TRYING TO BE LIKE MY TO THE NEXT THING IS YEAH JUST CURIOUS SHEILA IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS HOW WOULD YOU USE THIS AS A WAY TO POTENTIALLY LOOK AT DEVELOPERS OF AFFORDABLE OH OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITY THAT ARE MORE SENSITIVE TOWARDS EQUITY?  ARE THERE SOME SOME FOLKS WHO LIKE TO GET TO BOSTON BENEFACTORS BECAUSE I THINK THAT ALL OF THIS RIGHT AND JUST TO BE TRANSPARENT THAT ALL OF THESE CONVERSATIONS AT THE END OF THE DAY WE HAVE TO START THINKING ABOUT THESE MEETINGS AS THE STUDENTS ARE OWNED AND THAT MEANS OUR BUSINESS PARTNERS THAT BE THE FOLKS THAT WE ARE PROVIDING FUNDING TO DO TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOMEOWNERSHIP ALL OF THESE TOOLS AND THAT'S A KEY TO BE A PART OF THE CONVERSATION.  IF YOU HAVE THAT DATA GREAT AND IF YOU DON'T IT WOULD BE START THINKING ABOUT HOW WE CAN ADD THAT TO EXPANDING IT. YOU KNOW I, I CAUGHT SOME OF THAT CHAIR WEBER IF I COULD TRY I YOU'RE STILL BREAKING UP BUT I HEARD MY NAME SO WE I THINK YOUR POINT IS A VERY IT'S NOT JUST LOOKING AT WHO'S THE RECIPIENT OF OUR PROGRAMS IT'S ALSO ABOUT HOW WE'RE SPENDING OUR RESOURCES AND WHETHER WE'RE PROVIDING ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY FOR FOR BUSINESSES OF COLOR ARE BIPOC BUSINESSES THAT ARE LOCATED IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND YOU KNOW, AS IS THE CITY IT'S ANOTHER DEPARTMENT HAS ALWAYS LOOKED AT CONSTRUCTION HOURS, RIGHT? THAT WAS ALWAYS THE MEASURE FOR A LONG TIME AND NOW DEVELOPMENT TEAMS ARE COMING INTO THE CITY OR LOOKING FOR RESOURCES TO BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE'RE LOOKING AT OWNERSHIP OF THOSE BUSINESSES. WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SOFT COST BUSINESSES.  WHO IS THE ARCHITECTS WHO ARE THE WHO ARE THE MANAGEMENT COMPANIES WHO ARE WHO'S PROVIDING THAT 21 PIECE? WHO IS PROVIDING RIGHT.  SO WE'RE REALLY EXPANDING BEYOND JUST CONSTRUCTION HOURS . SO THAT TOO IS A WHOLE OTHER AREA OF DATA THAT WE THAT WE NEED TO WE'RE STARTING TO BE MORE MORE INTENTIONAL ABOUT COLLECTING WHO IS BENEFITING ECONOMICALLY FROM AFFORDABLE HOUSING PRODUCTION IN THE CITY CITY OF BOSTON IS NOT ALONE. A LOT OF OUR ARE LENDING PARTNERS AND IT COMES TO MIND THE STATE IS LOOKING AT THIS AS WELL. SO THE INDUSTRY IS STARTING TO REALLY LOOK AT THIS QUESTION ABOUT WHO'S BENEFITING. AND I YOU KNOW AND I THINK IT'S OVERDUE AND I'M REALLY HAPPY THAT WE'RE THAT WE'RE REALLY STARTING TO BE MUCH MORE INTENTIONAL ABOUT THAT. BUT AS WE CHUNK OUT THE ALL THE RESEARCH THAT NEEDS TO BE COLLECTED AND ANALYZED AND AND SHARED ON A FAIRLY REGULAR BASIS, I WOULD ALSO INCLUDE THAT SO WE ARE IN AGREEMENT WE ARE IN AGREEMENT THAT AND THAT'S IF I UNDERSTOOD THE QUESTION SO COUNCILWOMAN HERE JUST BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO HEAR THE QUESTION IS THAT DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION?  I WOULD GIVE A LITTLE EXTRA TIME IF YOU KNOW WE HAVE ADDRESSED THIS STATE.  I APPRECIATE THAT AND I THINK SHEILA DEFINITELY UNDERSTOOD MY QUESTION BECAUSE WHAT I'VE SEEN HERE IS OFTENTIMES AND I SAY THIS ALL THE TIME A RESOURCE RICH FOR COORDINATION FOR AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ANY CONVERSATION AROUND EQUITY. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERYONE WHO IS BENEFITING FROM THE CONSTRUCTION OF ALL THE WAY TO WHO'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD TO LIVE IN THESE HOMES. AND SO I REALLY DO APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWER AND ACKNOWLEDGMENT AND I THINK THAT COUNCILOR ANDERSON IS THE QUEEN OF EQUITY AND I REALLY LOVE THAT SHE'S ALWAYS CENSORING THAT WORD EVEN THOUGH SOMETIMES IT FEELS UNCOMFORTABLE FOR SOME FOLKS. BUT WE WE WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO BE COURAGEOUS AROUND WHAT THIS WOMAN IS CALLING FOR AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HOLDING OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE TO THAT. MARK AND THANK YOU COUNCILOR WHETHER NIGHT AND IT ISN'T ALL THAT GREAT BUT I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY. I JUST WANT TO THANK THE ADVOCATES PARTICULARLY MARK AND OTHER ADVOCATES IN THE SPACE MAKERS AND THE ADMINISTRATION TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE THINKING.  OKAY, THANK YOU, COUNSELOR. I'M HERE, COUNSELOR WE'RE ALL YOU KNOW. THANK YOU CHAIR AND THANK YOU TO THE PANEL FOR BEING HERE. A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED OR AT LEAST LET BUT I DO WANT TO JUST SAY THAT I VALUE DATA AND I THINK THAT DATA SHOULD BE LIKE OUR WAY AND NOT DRIVE IN PRINCIPLE OR WHAT WE DRIVE TOWARDS WHEN WE ARE, YOU KNOW, TAKING UP ANY INITIATIVE ESPECIALLY ONE LIKE HOUSING. SO I GUESS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS CAN THE ADMINISTRATION PROVIDE EXAMPLES OF CURRENT ZONING REGULATIONS A POLICY THAT YOU KNOW WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT IN PLACE TO PROMOTE DIVERSE NEIGHBORHOODS AND STABILIZE SECTIONS OF COMMUNITIES IN THE CITY OF BOSTON? I MEAN ONE THAT COMES TO MIND FOR ME IS AND I DON'T WANT TO GET THE NAME ON BUT IT'S DIVERSITY PRESERVATION POLICY.  SO SORT OF LIKE A MAKING SURE THAT THE DIVERSITY IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD IS YOU KNOW,  DOESN'T GO BELOW THE THRESHOLD THAT IT IS THAT NOW.  SO MAYBE IT'S HOW DO WE PRIORITIZE THOSE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE HOUSING THAT WE'RE BUILDING.  SO I'LL I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE WE WE HAVE HAD DIFFICULTY OVER THE YEARS WITH OUR OUR HUD PARTNERS ON GIVING NEIGHBORHOOD PREFERENCE AND OTHER CITIES TO HAVE TAKEN HUD ON AND LOST BUT BUT I THINK I THINK IT BEARS HAVING ANOTHER CONVERSATION WITH HUD AROUND NEIGHBORHOOD PREFERENCE EVEN IF IT'S A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO GO OUT INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD AND SAY THE HOMES THAT WE'RE BUILDING OR THE HOMES THAT ARE BEING CREATED OR THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE HERE ARE GOING TO BENEFIT AT LEAST A SUBSET YET OF THE EXISTING RESIDENTS. SO I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE THERE. HOUSING HAS BEEN THERE. HOUSING DOESN'T ALWAYS AGREE WITH US BUT I WAS JUST THINKING THE OTHER DAY I THINK IT'S WORTH HAVING ANOTHER CONVERSATION ESPECIALLY AS WE CONTINUE TO SEE DISPLACEMENT OF OUR OUR BIPOC FAMILIES FROM BOSTON AND I THINK IT'S REALLY VERY MUCH WORTH THE CONVERSATION AND IT IT MIGHT BE VERY, VERY HELPFUL TO HAVE SOME OF THE CITY COUNCIL ENGAGE IN THAT CONVERSATION WITH HUD ANOTHER'S SO I CAN'T SAY FOR SURE WE CAN DO THAT. I MEAN I WOULD CERTAINLY I'D BE TAKING IT UP WITH THE ADMINISTRATION IF I FELT LIKE WE COULD LEGALLY DO THAT RIGHT NOW OR WE DO IT WITH PRIDE AND NOT LOSE FUNDING. BUT I'D BE GLAD TO EXPLORE IT AGAIN. YEAH, CHIEF HOWEVER WHEREVER YOU NEED ME I'M HAPPY TO BE PART OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING TO KIND OF MAKE THAT POSSIBLE.  THE OTHER THING THAT YOU KNOW, I WILL LOVE TO SEE AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS EVEN POSSIBLE OR NOT IS THAT PEOPLE ARE YOU KNOW I MEAN BOSTON NOT AFFORDABLE SO PEOPLE ARE BUYING ELSEWHERE.  ARE WE TRACKING OR TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT PEOPLE ARE BUYING TO KIND OF INFLUENCE WHAT WE'RE BUILDING? RIGHT. YOU KNOW, WHEN I SPEND IT WITH DEVELOPERS IT'S LIKE OH, PEOPLE WANT ONE BEDROOM BUT PEOPLE BUY ONE BEDROOMS AND BRIGHTON AND RANDOLPH RIGHT IS LIKE IS THAT THE CASE? AND THEN WHEN I READ THE IKEJI AND THE SOCIAL SUPPORT THAT WAS THAT THEY DID THAT THEY DID FOR THE CITY OF BOSTON ON THE IDP POLICY ON YOU KNOW THEY SPOKE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE HOUSEHOLD SIZE WHEN IT CAME TO BIPOC FAMILIES AND YOU KNOW THOSE HOUSES THAT FAMILIES ARE USUALLY LARGER THAN THE FIVE PLUS HOUSEHOLDS, RIGHT? SO JUST KIND OF FEEL LIKE HOW WE'RE NOT ONLY INFORMING ON DEVELOPERS RIGHT ON WHAT WE SHOULD BE PROVIDING BUT ALSO LIKE ANY DEVELOPER THAT'S COMING TO THE CITY OF BOSTON ON THE IMAGERY MATTERS RIGHT? LIKE IF WE'RE NOT BUILDING THE INVENTORY FOR THE FAMILIES LIKE THAT IS ANOTHER FORM OF DISPLACEMENT, RIGHT? LIKE SO I COULDN'T AGREE WITH YOU MORE AND I KNOW KARINA STAFF HAVE BEEN REALLY LOOKING AT THE THE IDP POLICY AND BEDROOM OR UNIT SIZES AND BEDROOM SIZES. I WILL SAY THE THE NEW IDP POLICY WHEN WE PUT THE IDP POLICY IN ZONING WE REALLY THOUGHT A LOT ABOUT OUR ABILITY TO NOT JUST REQUIRE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF UNITS BUT INSTEAD REQUIRE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGES OF A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF SQUARE FEET. RIGHT? GIVE US THE ROSS SQUARE FEET AND THEN WE WILL WORK WITH THE DEVELOPER ON INSTEAD OF SAYING OH GREAT, WE GET FIVE ONE BEDROOM UNITS. WELL INSTEAD SAY WE GET THIS MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE AND POTENTIALLY CREATE AFFORDABLE LARGER FAMILY SIZE UNITS. SO I'M HOPING THE NEW ICI POLICY PROVIDES US A LOT MORE FLEXIBILITY.  KARRINE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN THINKING A LOT ABOUT THIS BUT IF YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING, IF YOU'RE ERNIE SOUNDS LIKE SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO ADD SOMETHING. YES. I THINK YOU KNOW, YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. I THINK INCLUSIONARY ZONING AND THE CALCULATION FOR COMPLIANCE FROM BEDROOM NEXT TO SQUARE FOOTAGE WILL ALLOW US TO, YOU KNOW, GET MORE FAMILY SIZED UNITS. I THINK ALSO WE'RE USING WE AFFIRMATIVELY FURTHERING FAIR HOUSING ZONING TO ADVANCE THAT OBJECTIVE AS WELL.  SO I THINK WE DO HAVE SOME TOOLS IN PLACE. I THINK UNDERSTANDING MARKET TRENDS AND YOU KNOW WHY WHY THE MARKET DOESN'T PRODUCE THESE THINGS WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY YOU KNOW THEY'RE NOT AS PROFITABLE IS IN SOMETHING THAT FOLKS HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF AND AND THEREFORE REQUIRES PUBLIC POLICY AND INVESTMENT TO ADDRESS. YEAH. NOW THANK YOU FOR THAT. BUT I ALSO WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE LIKE BEFORE THAT THERE'S CURRENT CONSTRUCTION AND THAT WE'RE PUSHING THOSE CURRENT DEVELOPERS WHO ARE COMING TO THE CITY TO TRY TO PUSH, YOU KNOW, MORE FAMILY SIZE HOUSING ON THEM AS WELL BECAUSE ADP RIGHT THAT'S NOT THE CURRENT RATE RIGHT IS THAT THE CURRENT POLICY IN PLACE NOW? SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ACTIVELY DOING SO AS WELL AND NOTE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS TO COUNCILOR L THANK YOU.  I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY COUNCILOR SHARON DURKIN AND WE'VE ALSO BEEN JOINING THE PANEL FROM RECLAIM ROXBURY IS DANIELLE SUMMER, CHIARA CATOR CHIARA AND I GUESS SUBBING IN FOR ARMANI OR MARNI WHITE FROM THAT ORGANIZATION I GUESS WE'RE DANIELLE WE'RE ABOUT TO ACHIEVE DYLAN HAS A HENRY'S ONE. ONE SECOND. SORRY . SORRY . I JUST WANTED TO BEFORE YOU CAME ON COUNSELOR WEBER, I DO NEED TO LEAVE FOR THE PINE STREET GRADUATION. CARINA CAN STAY. MY APOLOGIES.  SO I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SIGN OFF BUT I'LL CATCH UP WITH CARINA AND I'VE MADE A LIST OF EVERYTHING TO FOLLOW UP ON.  OKAY. THANK YOU.  I GUESS. DANIELLE, SINCE YOU'RE JOINING US LATE, UH, DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING AND THEN COUNCILOR DURKIN, YOU WOULD BE UP NEXT FOR QUESTIONS AND JUST I'M TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT FOR EVERYONE WHO'S ON BECAUSE SO REAL ESTATE ADVISOR JOANNE EDWARDS.  JOANNA, YOU'RE ON HERE ALREADY SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A SECOND PANEL BECAUSE WE'LL HAVE EVERYONE ON OBVIOUSLY I THINK WE IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS WE SHOULD GO TO TWO FOLLOW QUESTIONS FROM THOSE PRESENT.  BUT SHARON, YOU'LL BE FINISHING UP THE FIRST ROUND AFTER DANIELLE IF YOU IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THE GROUP. THANK YOU CHAIR THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR FOR LETTING ME FILL IN. SO MY NAME IS DANIELLE SUMMER KEETER I'M ACTUALLY I'M WITH BOSTON TENANT COALITION BUT WE I PARTNER VERY CLOSELY WITH RECLAIM ROXBURY AND ARMANI WHITE AND TOGETHER OUR ORGANIZATIONS ARE BOTH MEMBERS OF THE COALITION FOR A TRULY AFFORDABLE BOSTON WHICH IS A NETWORK OF MANY OTHER HOUSING ADVOCACY GROUPS WHO ALL HAVE A GREAT INTEREST IN THIS. I'M REALLY GLAD THAT WE ARE ABLE TO ADDRESS THIS TODAY.  I AM REALLY GLAD TO HEAR THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO CREATE TO BE ABLE TO CAPTURE MORE DATA ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND JUST WHO'S ABLE TO ACCESS IT. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE ALWAYS ADVOCATING FOR AND PUSHING FOR AND I AM GOING TO BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN A LOT ALREADY SAID ABOUT THIS I'M GOING TO PERHAPS TAILOR MY COMMENTS TO SORT OF A CONTEXT FOR WHY THIS IS IMPORTANT. WE ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH OR HOPEFULLY NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE STATISTICS THAT THAT COUNCILOR ANDERSON PROVIDED TO AT THE START ABOUT THE JUST DRAMATIC DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BLACK AND BROWN HOMEOWNERSHIP AND AND WHITE FAMILY HOMEOWNERSHIP PARTICULARLY IN BOSTON AND MORE RECENTLY THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT THE NEED TO BUILD RACIAL WEALTH VIA HOMEOWNERSHIP AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT IS A SUSTAINABLE SYSTEM. AND I WOULD SUGGEST AND PARTICULARLY I THINK THAT THE DATA WILL HELP BEAR THIS OUT THAT IN REALITY INCOME RESTRICTED OR SUBSIDIZED HOUSING PROGRAMS ARE HELPING TO PROTECT AFFORDABILITY HAVE A GREATER IMPACT ON THE FINANCIAL WELL-BEING OF BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES THAN REMOVING SUCH RESTRICTIONS DO DIRECT ACTIONS WE FIND HELP TO STABILIZE SPECULATION AND COMMUNITIES. THEY HELP ANCHOR PEOPLE TO COMMUNITY AND AS SUCH ARE CRITICAL PIECES OF THE OF STABILITY FOR ALL. THEY ALSO PRIORITIZE THE COLLECTIVE OR COMMUNITY GOOD RATHER THAN INDIVIDUAL FINANCIAL BENEFIT SO CURRENTLY HAVE ABOUT 3000 HOMEOWNERSHIP RESTRICTED HOMEOWNERSHIP UNITS ACROSS THE CITY. IT'S LIKE SOMETHING ABOUT LIKE 3% I THINK OF HOMEOWNERSHIP THAT IS NOT A SIGNIFICANT PERCENTAGE.  SO AS WE TALK ABOUT THE THE NEED TO BUILD BLACKWELL AND SUPPORT BLACKWELL WE REALLY NEED TO THINK ABOUT IT WITHIN THAT CONTEXT OF HOW HOW MUCH OF AN IMPACT WE ARE ABLE TO MAKE AND SO I WOULD SUGGEST AS WE THINK ABOUT THIS DATA THAT AS WE LOOK AT DEED RESTRICTED UNIT AND WE ALSO THINK ABOUT COMMUNITY LAND TRUST OF WHICH THE CITY CERTAINLY DOESN'T OWN BUT THERE ARE SEVERAL IN THE CITY CHINATOWN COMMUNITY LAND TRUST THESE AND I HAS ONE THERE'S THE GREATER BOSTON COMMUNITY LAND TRUST AS WELL THESE ARE ALL PROGRAMS THAT ALLOW HOME OWNERSHIP THAT GIVE LOWER INCOME FOLKS ACCESS TO HOME OWNERSHIP, ALLOW THEM TO BUILD A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF EQUITY AND AND HAVE IT BE A STEPPING STONE TO THE TO THEIR OWN FINANCIAL WELL-BEING AND STABILITY RATHER THAN ALLOWING SPECULATION THERE'S A LOT OF WE ALL WANT TO BELIEVE THAT THIS AND THE AMERICAN DREAM ALLOWS US TO BELIEVE THAT IF YOU BUY A HOME THEN YOU WILL CREATE THAT STEPPING STONE.  BUT IN REALITY FOR SO MANY PEOPLE HOMEOWNERSHIP IS NOT NECESSARILY A FINANCIAL LIKE STABLE STEPPINGSTONE AND THEN WE CAN JUST LOOK AT THE 2008 HOUSING CRISIS AS A CLEAR MARKER OF THAT KIND OF ISSUE WHEREAS BY ALLOWING DEED RESTRICTION BY INVESTING IN THAT WAY YOU ARE NOT WE ARE SORT OF SHIFTING THE POINT THAT THE POINT IS NOT ABOUT EXTRACTING A LOT OF MONEY OUT OF THE HOUSE. IT'S ABOUT HAVING A GOOD PLACE TO LIVE.  IT ELIMINATES ISSUES OF FEAR OF REMOVAL, ANY FINANCIAL STABILITY ISSUES THAT FOLKS HAVE.  ALL OF THESE ARE VERY IMPORTANT FACTORS IN IN FEED RESTRICTION IN THAT HOUSING STABILITY AND IT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO SAVE INVEST IN OTHER NEEDS. THEY HAVE EDUCATION, HEALTH CARE.  SHOULD THAT BE AN ISSUE SAVING FOR RETIREMENT? AND SO WE ARE ALWAYS ADVOCATING FOR MORE HOUSING, MORE AFFORDABILITY, MORE INVESTMENT IN INDEED RESTRICTION, MORE INVESTMENT IN COMMUNITY LAND TRUST AS A WAY OF CREATING A MORE EQUITABLE AND DIVERSE BOSTON AND I WILL LIMIT MY COMMENTS THERE AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION.  I THINK I THINK YOU DANIELLE I'M JUST GOING TO SEND IT TO COUNCILOR DURKIN DURKAN BARKING KIND THE BACKGROUND YOU HAVE 6 MINUTES. THANK YOU CHAIR WEBER AND THANK YOU SO MUCH DANIELLE REALLY GREAT TO HAVE YOU HERE. I HAVE AND I'VE BEEN AT SOME EVENTS IN THE DISTRICT BUT I HAVE HAD STAFF WATCHING AND I REALLY APPRECIATE COUNCILOR TANYA FERNANDEZ ANDERSON FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP HERE.  I THINK IT'S CLEAR THAT WE DO NEED MORE INFO AND MORE DATA JUST TO SORT OF DESCRIBE SOME OF THESE TRENDS.  AND YOU KNOW WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM LEADERS WITHIN HOUSING IS THAT THERE ARE ADDITIONAL THERE ARE THINGS HISTORICALLY THAT HAVE IMPACTED PARTICULARLY PEOPLE OF COLOR BEING ABLE TO ACCESS HOMEOWNERSHIP LIKE AND I KNOW THAT SOME OF THOSE WERE DESCRIBED HERE LIKE BAD INTEREST RATES THAT HAVE BEEN GIVEN HISTORICALLY TO TO COMMUNITIES OF COLOR.  BUT ALSO I THINK, YOU KNOW, IN TODAY'S CLIMATE I HAVE TALKED WITH A LOT OF ADVOCATES ABOUT BANNING CREDIT CHECKS AS YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT WE MAY TRY TO EXPLORE OR I'M JUST CURIOUS, DANIELLE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL IS TARGETED AT HAVING MORE INFORMATION AND BEING ABLE TO SHINE A LIGHT ON SOME OF THE ISSUES. BUT ARE THERE OTHER MECHANISMS AND I KNOW THE CITY AND THE ADMINISTRATION HAVE BEEN WORKING ON HOMEOWNERSHIP AND AND WHAT WE'RE FINDING IS THAT THERE ISN'T A LOT OF HOUSING STOCK TO AND THAT'S SORT OF ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT I'VE HEARD OVER AND OVER AGAIN. SO JUST CURIOUS IF YOU COULD DESCRIBE SOME OF THE OTHER YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT TO SHINE A LIGHT ON AND FOR US TO HAVE THE INFORMATION. BUT IF YOU CAN DESCRIBE SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT THE CITY IS DOING TO PROMOTE HOMEOWNERSHIP IN COMMUNITIES OF COLOR AND THEN ALSO JUST DESCRIBING SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT FOLKS ARE RUNNING INTO WHEN TRYING TO PURCHASE A HOME.  AND THEN I REALLY APPRECIATED YOUR COMMENT TOO ABOUT HOMEOWNERSHIP NOT NECESSARILY BEING YOU KNOW, WITH THE RATES AS THEY ARE VIABLE PATH FOR A LOT OF FAMILIES RIGHT NOW. SO JUST CURIOUS ALSO YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT.  SURE. OKAY.  AND SO I THINK SOME OF THE SOME OF THE CHALLENGES IN PARTICULAR RIGHT NOW OF HOUSING AND OF PARTICULARLY OF MEETING FAIR HOUSING OF WHICH LIKE CERTAINLY AFFORDABILITY IS A COMPONENT RIGHT?  IS THAT IN SO MANY WAYS WE ARE RELYING ON PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT TO CREATE A CITY PLAN THAT REALLY SUPPORTS ALL OF US THAT THERE ARE MANY WAYS IN WHICH THE CITY IS SORT OF WORKING TOWARDS THAT AND MOVE TOWARDS THAT. I THINK ONE OF THE CLEAREST EXAMPLES I WORK ON THIS EVERY DAY IS THE FHA ZONING AMENDMENT THAT THE CITY HAS AND THE WAYS IN WHICH THAT SHIFTS THE FOCUS NOT JUST TO THE AMOUNT OF AFFORDABILITY IN IN HOUSING BEING PROPOSED AND DEVELOPED BUT ALSO LIKE LOOKING AT THOSE OTHER PROTECTED CLASSES LIKE FAMILIES LIKE FOLKS WITH DISABILITIES AND THAT WE ARE CREATING HOUSING FOR EVERYONE BUT STILL IT IS A CHALLENGE AND I THINK IN SOME WAYS SOME OF IT IS ALSO LIKE A PUBLIC UNDERSTANDING ISSUE, RIGHT? SO WE TALK ABOUT AFFORDABILITY AND MANY PEOPLE THINK OF AFFORDABILITY AND THEY ASSUME THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE VERY MUCH LIKE SORT OF ON THE LOWER LEVELS OF THE WORKING CLASS LIKE VERY MUCH THROUGH COLLEGE . SO THEY ENVISION IDEAS OF MAYBE LIKE SERVICE WORKERS RIGHTS AND THEY IMAGINE AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THEY SORT OF ASSUME THAT THAT IS THE SAME AS PUBLIC HOUSING NOW PUBLIC HOUSING AND THOSE SERVICE WORKERS ARE CRITICAL TO OUR OUR HOW OUR CITY'S INFRASTRUCTURE.  THEY ARE IMPORTANT AND VITAL CITIZENS AND MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITIES AND THERE IS LITERALLY NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING IN THAT KIND OF SPACE. BUT THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY WHAT AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS RIGHT NOW . AFFORDABLE HOUSING MEANS FOLKS AT LIKE 70% AMI AND IN THE FALL IT WILL GO DOWN TO LIKE A AN AVERAGE OF 60% AMI BUT THAT THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE MIDDLE CLASS RIGHT NOW LIKE FOR CONTEXT IT'S LIKE YOU KNOW ALMOST ALL BUT A LARGE PERCENTAGE I FORGET WHO DID THE STUDY MIGHT HAVE EVEN BEEN THE CITY BOSTON SOMETHING LIKE 80% OF CITY EMPLOYEES QUALIFY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. ALMOST ALL TEACHERS QUALIFY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.  THAT'S NOT WHO WE THINK OF WHEN WE SAY THAT. RIGHT? AND SO WE REALLY DO NEED TO THINK IN A MORE STRATEGIC MANNER OF HOW WE DO PLANNING TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE CREATING MORE ECONOMIC DIVERSITY THROUGHOUT OUR CITY BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE ARE FUNDAMENTAL TO ALL OF THE ELEMENTS THAT MAKE A CITY RUN AND THEN AND I HOPE I'M ANSWERING BOTH PARTS OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR.  I THINK ONE OTHER POINT I REALLY THINK IS IMPORTANT TO EMPHASIZE IS THAT INCOME RESTRICTED OR SUBSIDIZED HOUSING IS NOT THE SAME OF AS MARKET HOUSING AND THAT IS ON PURPOSE BECAUSE EQUITY IS BUILT IN THE HOME. IT'S BASED ON A FORMULA THAT SPREADS ACROSS THE HOME AND IT BENEFITS ACROSS MULTIPLE HOUSEHOLDS AND MULTIPLE GENERATIONS. SO HOUSING PAYMENTS ARE LOWER, COSTS ARE LOWER DUE TO THE SUBSIDIES SO YOUR TAXES ARE LOWER FOR MANY PEOPLE. HOMEOWNERSHIP SOMETIMES IS A STRETCH AND IT TAKES VERY LITTLE TO PUT YOU IN A VERY TENUOUS POSITION.  IT CAN BE YOUR BOILER GOING OUT THAT'S LIKE $15,000 YOUR ROOF THAT'S LIKE $15 CAN BE MORE THAN $15,000. THESE ARE VERY SMALL THINGS THAT THEN CAUSE THIS HOUSING INSTABILITY.  SO WE WANT TO HAVE THAT A MORE STABLE MARKET THAT ALLOWS FOR PEOPLE TO BUILD WEALTH ESSENTIALLY A LITTLE MORE CONSERVATIVELY WITHOUT THE SPECULATION BECAUSE THAT BENEFITS EVERYONE.  I HOPE I ANSWERED EVERYTHING THAT YOU WERE ASKING. YES, ABSOLUTELY. AND I KNOW WE COULD SPEND ALL DAY ON JUST SORT OF THAT GROUP OF QUESTIONS BUT I ALSO WANTED TO SPEAK OUR TO HAVE A CHANCE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS WITHIN THE FILING TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LIKE THE SPECULATIVE MARKET AND JUST HOW HARD IT IS FOR AND I KNOW THE ONE BOSTON MORTGAGE PROGRAM HAS BEEN REALLY HELPFUL BUT IN TERMS OF LIKE THE ACTUAL HOUSING STOCK THAT IS AVAILABLE AND ALSO THE LLC IS SORT OF THAT ARE BUYING A ESPECIALLY IN NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE FENWAY AND MISSION HILL IN MY DISTRICT AND ROXBURY AS WELL. THEY'RE JUST SORT OF THE SPECULATIVE MARKET AND OBVIOUSLY INSTITUTIONS AND HOW INSTITUTIONAL LOCATIONS SORT OF DRIVE SOME OF SOME OF THESE. I WAS JUST SORT OF WHAT THE CITY IS DOING TO SORT OF STAND IN THE GAP AND TO MAKE WHEN THE HOUSING IS UP FOR GRABS AND HOW HOW WE CAN LEVERAGE CITY RESOURCES TO MAKE SURE THAT THINGS CONTINUE TO STAY YOU KNOW THAT THAT WE'RE ABLE TO FIND STAND IN THE GAP BETWEEN US AND LIKE YOU KNOW, AN LLC IS ANOTHER YOU SORT OF MORE INSTITUTIONAL BUYERS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS RIGHT SO I THINK YEAH THAT IS A SORT OF IN SOME WAYS HIDDEN ISSUE THAT MAYBE IN MORE RECENT I WOULD SAY EVEN IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS IS STARTING TO GET MORE AND MORE LIGHTS SHINED ON IT BECAUSE THAT IS THE COMPONENT RIGHT? LIKE LAND IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE'RE NOT REALLY MAKING MORE OF AS PEOPLE LIKE TO SAY. RIGHT. AND SO AS MUCH AS WE WANT TO BUILD MORE HOUSING IF WE'RE ALSO HAVING GROUPS THAT ARE ARE REALLY PATTERNED ON NOT JUST TAKING HOUSING OUT OF A MARKET BUT LIKE LOOKING AT IT AS A LIKE A PRIVATE MARKET INVESTMENT. SO NOT THESE PERSONAL LIKE GENERATIONAL WEALTH BUILDING INVESTMENT BUT LIKE A MUCH LARGER ISSUE YOU START A REALLY SPEAK TO LIKE A REALLY A NATIONAL PHENOMENON THAT THAT'S VERY PROBLEMATIC.  I THINK THAT SOMETHING THAT AND MAYBE OTHER FOLKS FROM THE CITY COULD ALSO SPEAK TO THIS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS A PARTICULAR CHALLENGE BECAUSE THERE ARE CONCERNS AROUND WHO CAN OWN RIGHT CERTAINLY DEED RESTRICTED HOUSING ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF THAT IS THAT THE INDIVIDUALS HAVE TO LIVE IN THE HOME SO PARTICULARLY WITH HOME OWNERSHIP IF YOU OWN A DEED RESTRICTED HOUSE YOU YOU HAVE TO BE RESIDING IN THAT HOUSE AND THAT THAT KIND OF ELIMINATES IN MANY WAYS THAT SPECULATION IT CAN'T BE OWNED IN THE SAME WAY BY LIKE A PRIVATE INVESTMENT COMPANY. UM IN TERMS OF LIKE THE LARGER MARKET FORCES I THINK BOSTON THERE ARE WHEN I LOOK AT IT NATIONALLY I THERE ARE OTHER AREAS THAT ARE REALLY, REALLY STRUGGLING WITH THIS AND MANY WAYS BY PLACES LIKE SEATTLE AND PHENIX COME TO MIND IMMEDIATELY I ALSO ATLANTA UM BUT IT'S IT'S QUIETER HERE IT'S A LITTLE BIT SMALLER HERE IT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS LIKE THESE SORT OF PRIVATE INVESTMENT FIRMS AND TENDS TO BE SMALLER REAL ESTATE INVESTMENT GROUPS DOING THIS.  ONE OF THE CHALLENGES WITH AN LLC IS THAT BECAUSE IT'S LIMITED BY ABILITY IT ALSO SORT OF IS PRIVATE. IT PROTECTS THAT THE INTERESTED PARTIES THOSE TEND TO BE THEN TRANSFERRED INTO LIKE RENTERS. IT'S SORT OF CREATING A PERMANENT RENTING CLASS OF HOUSING STOCK THAT WE WOULD HAVE TRADITIONALLY HAD ON THE MARKET FOR HOME OWNERSHIP AND DEFINITELY AFFECTS AND THAT THE PRESSURE ON THE MARKET HELPS TO INCREASE HOUSING COSTS AND AND SPECULATION WHICH AGAIN LIKE WHAT WE SEE IS THAT AS YOU'RE ADDING DEED RESTRICTION YOU SORT OF TAMP THAT DOWN BECAUSE THAT THAT HOUSING IS NOT AVAILABLE FOR FOR THAT PARTICULAR KIND OF USE I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY OF WAYS IN WHICH THE CITY HAS SPECIFIC POLICIES RELATED TO REDUCING THAT TYPE OF SPECULATION. I KNOW THAT THERE IS AN INTEREST IN REALLY ENSURING THAT THAT PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO GET ACCESS TO HOMES THAT THEY BEING HOMES.  BUT I DON'T PERSONALLY KNOW OF A SPECIFIC POLICY THAT ADDRESSES THAT TYPE OF SPECULATION AND AGAIN MAYBE PERHAPS SOMEBODY ELSE CAN CAN SPEAK TO THAT. DAN, DANIELLE, THANK YOU FOR THAT. COUNCILOR DEREK IN YOUR TIME IS UP. I JUST I GUESS I I COUNSELOR ANDERSON WILL START THIS SECOND ROUND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW I'LL GIVE YOU 5 MINUTES I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE WANTS IT HAS QUESTIONS IN THE SECOND ROUND SO WE'LL SEE OR IF ANYONE ELSE HAS ANY QUESTIONS OR STICK AROUND RAISE YOUR HAND.  BUT COUNCILOR FOR FERNANDA ANDERSON BACK TO YOU.  THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. I JUST WANTED TO REDIRECT US BACK TO THE ACTUAL ORDINANCE THAT'S ON THE FLOOR THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY. I DID FILE A HEARING ORDER FOR RESTRICTED DEEDS. THIS IS NOT IT. WE ARE DISCUSSING SPECIFICALLY JUST COLLECTING FROM INFORMATION TO PROVE THE LEVEL OF SYSTEMIC RACIST PRACTICES SO WE CAN ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND WHO HAS ACCESS, WHO DOESN'T, WHO IS GETTING THE OPPORTUNITY, WHO'S NOT. HOW ARE WE DISCRIMINATING AGAINST PEOPLE? HOW LONG ARE PEOPLE WAITING IN COMPARISON TO OTHER PEOPLE BY DEMOGRAPHICS AND FORTH AND SO ON? SO WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION SHARED WITH THE ADMINISTRATION TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT IF YOU IF YOU LOOKED AT DATA ALREADY IF YOU'RE COLLECTING DATA, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE IF YOU CONTRACT IT OUT, WHO ARE YOU CONTRACTING OUT WITH? HOW ARE YOU LOOKING AT IMPROVEMENT IMPROVING THOSE ARE THOSE DATA COLLECTING PRACTICES AND THANK YOU SO MUCH KARINA I LOOKED AT BOSTON HOUSING STRATEGY AND ABSOLUTELY IT LOOKS GORGEOUS. IT LOOKS AMAZING AND I LOOK FORWARD TO ACTUALLY DIGGING DEEPER INTO IT TO UNDERSTAND LIKE WHERE WE ARE WITH THINGS LIKE THAT BUT SPECIFIC LEAD TO DATA COLLECTION THIS WOULD ACTUALLY OBLIGATE THE ADMINISTRATION AND THEN I'VE HEARD IN TERMS OF WITH AN OBLIGATION TO START WITHIN A YEAR THEN IS THAT TIMELINE TO YOU KNOW A CONSTRAINING AND DO WE NEED MORE TIME AND ALL OF THAT OPEN RIGHT BECAUSE THIS IS A HEARING AND WE CAN DISCUSS HOW THAT THE TIMING MAKES MORE SENSE OR HOW WE CAN BE MORE PRACTICAL IN OUR APPROACH.  AND SO I REALLY APPRECIATE DANIELLE, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU SO MUCH.  IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE SEEING YOU. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE CONTEXT BEHIND IT BECAUSE YOU'RE YOU'RE RIGHT SINCE WE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT DATA AND ALL THESE OTHER SPECIFICS, YOU WANT IT TO COME FROM A CONTEXT OF LOOK AT ALL OF THESE OTHER IMPACTS AS IT PERTAINS TO RESTRICTED DATA AS IT OR HOMEOWNERSHIP AND WHERE WE MARGINALIZED COMMUNITIES ESPECIALLY OBVIOUSLY BLACK AND BROWN POPULATIONS. WHAT IS THE MORE IMMEDIATE EQUITABLE SOLUTION? ABSOLUTELY. I'M WITH YOU 100%. I WANTED TO BE ON RECORD TO SPECIFY TO TO BE CLEAR THAT I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY WITH THE AFFORDABLE RENTAL OPTIONS AND THEN OBVIOUSLY LOOKING AT HOW THE CITY CAN SHARE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF SPREADING AFFORDABLE AFFORDABLE RENTAL SO THAT WE ARE NOT DENSELY POPULATED IN POVERTY IN ONE CONCENTRATED AREA SO THAT WE ARE ENSURING THAT WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT THAT CREATES AMENITIES, HOLISTIC AMENITIES TO CREATE HOUSING SYSTEMS SO WE ARE IMPROVING OUR WAY OF LIFE FOR EXAMPLE LIKE WHERE YOU GUYS LIVE YOU SEE A LOT OF JUPITERS HERE A BEAUTIFUL WALKABLE ALL YOU KNOW TRANSIENT TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT THAT OFFERS A LOT OF HOLISTIC AMENITIES CREATE OF OBVIOUSLY WE INVEST IN SOCIAL DETERMINANTS OF HEALTH AS WE KNOW IT YOU KNOW FROM THE HEALTH BOSTON AND OTHER OTHER BACKGROUNDS AND EXPERTISE THAT WE HAVE THAT IT OF COURSE SUPPORTS AND OUR LIFESTYLES AND IMPROVES OUR QUALITY OF LIFE IN GENERAL. SO I, I WANTED TO JUST SORT OF YOU KNOW, ENCAPSULATE THOSE POINTS TO SAY EVERYONE HERE LIKE AMAZING CONTRIBUTIONS TO THIS CONVERSATION AND I'M LOOKING FOR SPECIFICALLY RESPONSES FROM THE ADMINISTRATION. CORINA IN TERMS OF LIKE HOW YOU'RE COLLECTING DATA BUT NOT JUST WHAT YOU'RE COLLECTING AND AND IF YOU CAN'T COLLECT THEM,  WHAT IS THE REASON IF IT'S LEGAL, IF IT'S SPECIFICALLY THAT'S AGAINST THE LAW OR WHATEVER IT IS, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT SO THAT WE ARE RESTRUCTURING OR ADDING TO THIS ORDINANCE TO ENSURE THAT OUR AMENDMENT OBVIOUSLY IS PRACTICAL AND MAKES SENSE. AND I THINK FOR I JUST WANTED TO CHAIR I JUST WANTED TO REVIEW HERE I THINK FROM MY QUESTIONS A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT MY COLLEAGUES WERE ANSWERING ADDING TO THE CONVERSATION ENHANCE THE CONVERSATION.  I WANTED TO THANK MY COLLEAGUES FOR COMING IN AND IF I IF I HAVE I DO HAVE A FINAL REMARK AFTER THIS IN TERMS OF NEXT STEPS BUT I WANTED TO STOP HERE IF I HAVE AN ADDITIONAL ONE QUESTION MAYBE COMING BACK AND JUST CLOSING US OUT. BUT I THINK THIS WAS A REALLY GOOD CONVERSATION. I THINK WE'RE GOING INTO A REAL GOOD DIRECTION IN TERMS OF THIS ORDINANCE AND I HOPE THAT MY COLLEAGUES FEEL THE SAME AND I'M GOING TO ASK THE THE CHAIR AND YOU VICE CHAIR IF WE COULD HOLD A WORKING SESSION OR MAYBE A MEETING WITH THE ADMINISTRATION TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT HOW WE CAN ACTUALLY WORKSHOP THE ORDINANCE TOGETHER TO TO MAKE MORE SENSE OUT OF IT OR TO IMPROVE IT THAT THAT IS ALL FOR MY POINT FOR NOW. THANK YOU.  YES, THANK YOU. AND JUST LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, I I FEEL LIKE IT'S IT'S DEFINITELY SORRY YOU KNOW IT'S IT'S IT'S A IT'S IT'S NEARLY PERFECT BUT JUST MAYBE SOME MINOR TWEAKS. I WAS YOU KNOW PEOPLE WERE NOT ACTING WITH GOOD FAITH TACTICALLY THEY'D BE I THINK THEY WOULD BE WITH IT BY PROVIDING ONE WEEK OF THE NUMBER OF APPLICANTS, YOU KNOW, IN THESE DAYS. SO I DO FEEL LIKE DEFINING THAT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR FOR THE PAST YEAR OR WHATEVER MIGHT JUST HELP AND MIGHT HELP THE ADMINISTRATION, YOU KNOW, FOCUS THEM IN THE IN THE IN THE PLACES WHERE WE REALLY NEED THE DATA AND I'M I'M LEARNING THROUGH THAT THROUGH THESE HEARINGS YOU KNOW WHAT WHAT THOSE METRICS ARE AND AND SO THANK YOU FOR FINALLY I THINK WE ARE WORKING SESSION WOULD BE GOOD SO I JUST I I BEFORE YOUR FINAL COMMENT I JUST I WANTED TO SEE IF THERE WAS PUBLIC TESTIMONY OR WOULD A COUNSELOR FINANCIAL INTEREST AND DO YOU WANT TO MAKE THAT COMMENT BEFORE I ADD I DON'T WANT TO IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH PUBLIC TESTIMONY FIRST I DO WANT YOU THANK THE ATTORNEY MARTINEZ AND DANIELLE AND INSTEAD OF MAKING MY FINAL POINTS HERE ASKING THEM IF THEY HAD A FINAL POINT BEFORE WE GO TO PUBLIC TESTIMONY, WE THAT WOULD BE FINE. MY MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE IS NO PUBLIC TESTIMONY OF BEING REQUESTED THAT MAY OR MAY CHANGE. BUT I YEAH, I'M HAPPY TO GIVE THE PANELISTS YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT YOU KNOW I'M GOING TO CUT YOU HAVE A 2 MINUTES BUT IF YOU WANT TO GIVE FINAL THOUGHT THE APOLOGIES MR CHAIR ALSO JOANN IS STILL HERE. SHE HAD A FINAL COMMENT AS WELL. YEAH, OKAY. YEAH. I MEAN JOANNA, YOU'RE A PANELIST. WE WOULD LOVE TO HEAR IF YOU HAVE A COMMENT. IF YOU DON'T, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU A BAD GRADE OR ANYTHING.  THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPATING. ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO MAKE A FINAL COMMENT THAT 2 MINUTES EACH I GUESS I GUESS I'LL START I MEAN CARINA I I'M JUST ASSUMING YOU DON'T HAVE A FINAL COMMENT BUT IF I I'LL JUST SAY THAT WE WOULD BE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE A MEETING OR A WORKING SESSION TO DIVE INTO THE DETAILS OF HOW WE ACTUALLY CAN POSITION OURSELVES TO PRODUCE A REALLY ROBUST REPORT ON THE SUBJECT. THANK YOU. OKAY. ATTORNEY MARTINEZ YEAH, I'LL JUST BECAUSE YOU KNOW, AGAIN HAPPY TO CONTINUE TO LEND ANY EXPERTISE OR KNOWLEDGE THAT I HAVE.  MY ONLY REAL PARTING THOUGHT IS THIS I THINK OBVIOUSLY THIS ENTIRE HEARING IS ABOUT DATA AND I THINK THAT IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHERE WE ARE.  BUT I HAVE TO GIVE THIS WARNING AND CONVERSATIONS AROUND DATA AS WE CAN'T LET THE ABSENCE OF DATA PREVENT US FROM ACTING RIGHT.  WE CAN'T LET DATA TAKE THE PLACE OF PEOPLE'S REAL LIMITED EXPERIENCE.  AND SO I THINK DATA IS REALLY IMPORTANT IN FIGURING OUT WHAT THE SOLUTION IS AND I THINK DATA IS REALLY IMPORTANT IN KIND OF TAILORING OUR RESPONSE TO REALLY SPECIFIC THINGS AND I'M NOT SAYING ANYONE IS SUGGESTING THIS, I'M NOT SAYING ANYONE'S SUGGESTING THAT WE PAUSE UNTIL WE HAVE THIS DATA. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BE REALLY CLEAR THAT THE DATA OFTEN JUST KIND OF BACKS UP WHAT WE KNOW BECAUSE WE CAN TALK TO PEOPLE AND PEOPLE HAVE LIVED THIS YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT NEW DISCRIMINATION IS NOT NEW. IT'S AN OLD THING. I MEAN IT IS VERY OLD. AND SO AS WE MOVE FORWARD, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS DATA IS GOING TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT TO REALLY FULLY UNDERSTAND WE ARE BUT YOU KNOW, LET'S NOT USE DATA TO REPLACE THE STORIES AND THE LIVED EXPERIENCES OF THE PEOPLE IN THESE COMMUNITIES IN PARTICULAR BLACK PEOPLE IN BOSTON BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THEIR STORIES TO SHARE AND WE SHOULDN'T BE WAITING FOR DATA TO VALIDATE THOSE.  OKAY. THANK YOU. JOANNA EDWARDS HI.  I HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENTS MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME TO THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPATING AND AGAIN YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE FINAL COMMENT BUT IF YOU WANT TO USE AN OPPORTUNITY. DANIELLE YEAH AND THANK YOU AGAIN. I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT I DO THINK THE DATA IS VERY IMPORTANT. IT'S SOMETHING THAT ALL SIDES REALLY USE TO HELP UNDERSTAND HOW BEST TO MOVE FORWARD AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HAVING NOT JUST THE DATA BUT A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF HOW SAID DATA WILL IMPACT POLICY MOVING FORWARD.  SO THANK YOU. OKAY.  THANK YOU.  COUNCILOR , DID YOU WANT TO MAKE A FINAL STATEMENT THAT I JUST LAST CALL FOR PUBLIC TESTIMONY?  I DON'T THINK THERE HAS BEEN RUN I JUST WANT TO TRIPLE CHECK I DON'T THINK THAT NO ONE HAS SIGNED UP. MR CHAIR OKAY. WELL, OKAY. COUNCILOR FERNANDES ANDERSON IF YOU WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT AND THEN WE'LL CLOSE THE.  THANK YOU SO MUCH. ONCE AGAIN I WANTED TO EXPRESS MY GRATITUDE TO YOU AS A CHAIR AND GRATITUDE TO THE PANELISTS TO ADMINISTRATION AND ADVOCATES . DANIELLE AN INVITATION BEFOREHAND TO COME BACK TO TO COME TO JOIN OUR HEARING FOR RESTRICTED DEEDS.  I WOULD LOVE TO LEARN FROM YOU AND THAT CONVERSATION. I THINK WHAT WE LEARNED HERE LEARNED IS THAT COLLECTING THIS DATA IS POSSIBLE. WE JUST NEED TO BE INTENTIONAL ABOUT THE RESOURCES AND STOPPING POTENTIAL TO REALIZE THIS EFFORT. WE LEARNED A LOT THE CURRENT DATA COLLECTION PRACTICES AND I THINK THAT THIS IS EXCITING BECAUSE IT ADDRESSES TWO ISSUES AT ONCE THE DATA THAT WE NEED TO COLLECT AND THE WAY THAT WE NEED TO GO ABOUT COLLECTING IT. IN SUMMARY A SUMMARY OF SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I WOULD SAY CREATING LANGUAGE THAT COMPELS THE APPROPRIATE AGENCY TO CREATE NEW PROCESSES THAT MAKE IT EASIER TO COLLECT THIS DATA IN THE FIRST PLACE. WE DON'T WANT TO ADD ANY UNDUE BURDEN ON THE ADMINISTRATION AGAIN BUT WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT THIS DATA IS VALUABLE AND NEEDS AND NEEDED FOR POLICY. SO THINKING CRITICALLY ABOUT WHO DOES IS DATA AGGREGATION OR ANALYSIS.  SOME OF THIS CAN BE ABSO CAN ABSOLUTELY BE DONE IN-HOUSE BUT MAYBE SOME OF IT NEEDS TO BE DONE BY OUTSIDE CONTRACTORS.  FIND WAYS EITHER THROUGH ORDINANCE OR THROUGH BUDGETARY ALIGNMENTS TO ENCOURAGE MORE COLLABORATION BETWEEN VPD A FAIR HOUSING AND DO IT IS WHAT I HEARD A LOT HERE TODAY EXPRESS ALSO TO EXPLORE THE INTERSECTIONS OF RACE AND INCOME INTERSECTIONS OF RACE AND ETHNICITY. DISAGGREGATE CERTAIN ETHNIC SUBGROUPS AND INCORPORATE IMMIGRATION CHARACTERISTIC AND CENSUS DATA. ALSO CONSIDER THE TIMELINE OF HOW OFTEN THE ADMINISTRATION MUST PRODUCE THIS DATA TO BETTER RESPECT THE WORK THAT GOES INTO IT. THIS IS DOABLE. IT'S IMPORTANT AND WE CAN WE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN AND WITH THE SUPPORT FROM ADVOCATE AND ADMINISTRATION ALIKE WE CAN MAKE A SUBSTANTIAL IMPACT IN ENSURING THAT BLACK AND BROWN RESIDENTS CAN BE PLACED INTO PERMANENT LONG TERM HOME OWNERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES.  BUT ALSO OBVIOUSLY WE HEARD HERE AS WELL ABOUT YOU KNOW, STARTING WITH AFFORDABILITY IS THE MOST ACCESSIBLE AND IS PROVEN TO SUPPORT FAMILIES IN THEIR IMMEDIATE CIRCUMSTANCES. SO THANK YOU AGAIN TO THE PANELISTS, TO EVERYONE TO MY CO-SPONSORS AND MR CHAIR, THANK YOU AND OF COURSE TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR ATTENDING.  OKAY. THANK YOU. JUST I WANT TO THANK MY COLLEAGUES AND THE LEAD SPONSOR, COUNSELOR FINANCE ANDERSON FOR JOINING THIS HEARING TODAY AS WELL AS OUR PANELISTS.  THIS MATTER WILL HELP ALL LIKELY REMAIN IN COMMITTEE FOR A WORKING SESSION. THIS IS THE HEARING ON DOCKET NUMBER 0471 IS ADJOURNED. I'M LOOKING FOR OBJECT IN MY HOUSE THAT COULD SUBSTITUTE AS A GAVEL. I HAVE A SMALL BASEBALL BAT.  YES, THAT'S AND THAT'S BAT. I WILL BE ROOTING FOR THE CELTICS WITH ALL MY HEART AND SOUL TONIGHT. BUT YOU KNOW THAT'S THE END OF THIS MEETING. THANK YOU, BIG