##VIDEO ID:UGs6iAX8-Uo##  FOR THE RECORD MY NAME IS BRIAN WE'RE OUR DISTRICT FOR CITY COUNCILOR AND I'M CHAIR OF THE BOSTON CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS TODAY IS SEPTEMBER 12, 2024. I'M JOINED BY MY CO-CHAIR OF THIS HEARING, COUNSELOR SANTANA, THE CHAIR OF THE BOSTON CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE. THIS HEARING BEING RECORDED IT IS ALSO BEING LIVE STREAMED AT BOSTON.COM BACKSLASH CITY DAS COUNCILOR DASH TV AND BROADCAST AN EXPANDED CHANNEL EIGHT RCN CHANNEL 82 AND FIREHOUSE CHANNEL HUNDRED AND 64. WRITTEN COMMENTS MAY BE SENT TO THE COMMITTEE EMAIL AT IWM BOSTON DOT GOV IT WILL BE MAY PART OF THE RECORD AND AVAILABLE TO ALL OUR COUNCILORS . PUBLIC TESTIMONY WILL BE TAKEN AT THE END OF THIS HEARING. INDIVIDUALS BE CALLED ON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY SIGNED UP AND RECEIVED 2 MINUTES TO TESTIFY. IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN TESTIFYING IN PERSON PLEASE ADJOURNING TO THE SIGN UP SHEET NEAR THE ENTRANCE OF THE CHAMBER. IF YOU LOOK IN AND TESTIFY VIRTUALLY PLEASE EMAIL SO PLEASE EMAIL CENTRAL STAFF LIAISON CURRICULA AT CHARISMA K A R I AS H AND ADCH0UH8 AND AB BOSTON DOT GOV FOR THE LINK YOUR NAME WILL BE ADDED TO THE LIST. TODAY'S HEARING IS ON DOCKET NUMBER 1035 THE HEARING DISCUSSED CAUSES OF INCREASES IN BOSTON POLICE OVERTIME SPENDING DOCKET NUMBER 12070 WHAT IF WE'RE HEARING TO DISCUSS BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT STAFFING LEVELS THESE MATTERS WE'RE SPONSORED BY COUNCILOR HAS BEEN WEBER MYSELF COUNCILOR MORALE COUNCILOR PRESIDENT LOUIJEUNE COUNCILOR AT FLYNN ENCOUNTER COUNSELOR MURPHY AND REFER TO THE COMMITTEES ON JUNE 12, 2024 AND AUGUST 7TH OF 2024. TODAY I'M JOINED BY MIKE BY MY COLLEAGUES IN ORDER ARRIVAL COUNCILOR FLYNN COUNCILOR MURPHY COUNCILOR COUNCILOR PEPPERED COUNCILOR WEBER COUNCILOR FITZGERALD COUNCILOR DURKIN YOU'VE ALSO RECEIVED A LETTER ABSENT FROM COUNCILOR COLLECTOR ZAPATA. BEFORE WE TURN IT OVER TO THE PANELISTS, WHAT WE'LL DO IS DO OPENING REMARKS FROM MY COUNCILOR COLLEAGUES.  I'LL START WITH MYSELF THEN PASS IT OFF TO THE CO-CHAIR AND THEN PASS IT OFF TO THE LEAD SPONSORS OF EACH DOCKET.  AS CHAIR OF THE WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEE, VICE CHAIR OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE AND CO-SPONSOR ON THE POLICE OVERTIME DOCKET. I WANT TO START BY THANKING TODAY'S PANELISTS AND THE UNION REPRESENTATIVES FOR BEING HERE. THERE ARE THREE GOALS INVOLVED WITH THE POLICE RIGHT NOW. FIRST AND FOREMOST IS LOWERING CRIME RATES. THE COUNCIL VOTED LAST YEAR TO GIVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ITS LARGEST YEAR OVER YEAR FUNDING INCREASE.  WITH THAT IN MIND THE DEPARTMENT SAW A $63 MILLION INCREASE FROM FY 24 TO FY 25. EVERY BUDGET I VOTED VOTED ON HAS INCLUDED INCREASED FUNDING FOR THE POLICE. HOWEVER, IN THE TWO PRESIDENTS IN MY DISTRICT THIS HASN'T RESULTED IN A REDUCTION IN CRIME. IN AUGUST PART ONE CRIMES ROSE 10% YEAR OVER YEAR IN BOTH B3 AND C11 AND THERE WERE TWO MURDERS WITHIN A BLOCK OF MY DISTRICT OFFICE JUST ONE WEEK APART. WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT PRECINCTS HAVE ENOUGH WALKING BEATS IN OFFICES BUT THEY NEEDED THE MOST TO MAKE SURE COMMUNITY POLICING IS DONE RIGHT. BOSTON HAS LONG BEEN A SHINING EXAMPLE OF THIS BUT WE MUST ENSURE THE RESOURCES ARE AVAILABLE FOR IT TO CONTINUE ESPECIALLY IN BUSINESS DISTRICTS, TRANSPORTATION HUBS AND MAIN STREETS. SECOND, DESPITE THE SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN POLICE FUNDING OVER TIME, COSTS CONTINUE TO RISE.  AS OF APRIL 1ST OVERTIME SPENDING WAS ON TRACK TO EXCEED $100 MILLION IN FY 24. AS FISCAL STEWARDS WE NEED TO GET THIS UNDER CONTROL. WE KNOW THE TOP THREE DRIVERS OF OVERTIME IN FY 24 WERE EXTENDED TOYS REPLACEMENT SHIFTS A SPECIAL EVENT OVERTIME . SO I'D LIKE TO DIG DEEPER INTO THESE ISSUES WHETHER IT'S NEW STRATEGIES FOR MANAGING SPECIAL EVENTS OR CONTROLLING AND EXTENDING TOURS AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S CAUSING REPLACEMENT SHIFTS. IS THERE A DOMINO EFFECT AND HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT FIRST DOMINO? THE RECENT CONTRACTS MAY SMALL CHANGES TO OVER TIME BUT WHAT MORE CAN BE DONE? LASTLY, THE ISSUE OF VACANCIES IS CRITICAL. WE KNOW THERE ARE AT LEAST 250 SWORN OFFICER VACANCIES IN NEARLY 300 CIVILIAN VACANCIES AT BPD MAKING UP MAKING UP ALMOST 25% OF ALL VACANCIES IN THE CITY.  GIVEN THE LARGE NUMBER OF CIVILIAN VACANCIES SHOULDN'T WE EXPECT MORE CIVILIAN OVERTIME? OR ARE THESE ROLES NOT AS URGENTLY NEEDED AS WE THINK? THESE ARE MY GOALS FOR TODAY'S HEARING AND I HOPE WE CAN CONTINUE THIS CONVERSATION AND A FUTURE WORKING SESSION ON THE POLICE OVERTIME DOCKET. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN PRIOR AUDITS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE COUNCIL DATING BACK TO COUNCIL'S CAMPBELL PARK ARROYO AND WE'RE LOOKING TO BUILD ON THAT WORK AND EXAMINE THE CURRENT STATUS TO SEE WHAT IMPROVEMENTS CAN BE MADE. NOW TURNING OVER TO THE CHAIR, PUBLIC SAFETY COUNCIL SANTANA.  THANK YOU MR CHAIR AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP ON ON THIS MATTER. I ALSO WANT TO GIVE A THANKS TO MY COLLEAGUES AND THE LEAD SPONSORS FOR BRINGING THIS IMPORTANT POLICY TOGETHER. I WANT TO THANK OUR PANELISTS FOR BEING HERE AND TAKING TIME TO COME ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE CONVERSATION. THE CHAIR COVERED A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT AREAS THAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS DURING THIS DURING THIS HEARING AND I'M VERY MUCH LOOKING FORWARD TO THE CONVERSATION AND THE ANSWERS TO THAT. ULTIMATELY FIND SOLUTIONS THAT WORK TO MAKE THE CITY BETTER. SO THANK YOU AND THANK YOU. AND WE'RE GOING TO ALTERNATE BETWEEN DOCKET SPONSORS NOW STARTING WITH THE FIRST DOCKET. SO WE'RE GOING TO PASS OFF OPENING REMARKS TO COUNCILOR WEBER AND LEE, SPONSOR OF DOCKET NUMBER 1035 TO GET THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU CHAIR AND THANK YOU. CHAIR.  BEFORE I BEGIN MY OPENING REMARKS, I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THERE ARE SLIDES WITH ADDITIONAL DATA AND INFORMATION ABOUT POLICE OVERTIME SPENDING THAT ARE PRINTED OUT FOR EVERYONE. I DON'T KNOW IF TWO PEOPLE HAVE MAYBE NOT TO BE IN THIS ONE. NO, NO.  THERE'S A SLIDE BRIEF SLIDE PRESENTATION THIS CHRISTMAS HANDING OUT ON SUNDAY THE ECONOMIST MAGAZINE RAN A STORY WITH THE HEADLINE HOW BOSTON BECAME THE SAFEST BIG CITY IN AMERICA. THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT VIOLENT AND PROPERTY CRIMES HAVE STEADILY DECLINED THROUGHOUT BOSTON AND THE ECONOMIST. THE ECONOMIST'S ARTICLE IS A TESTAMENT TO THE HARD WORK AND SACRIFICE OF THE OFFICERS OF THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT . WHETHER I'M IN WEST ROXBURY OR JAMAICA PLAIN, THE MOST COMMON COMPLAINT ABOUT POLICE THAT I GET IS THAT PEOPLE WANT TO SEE MORE OF THEM.  FOLKS IN MILDRED HAILEY APARTMENTS IN EGGLESTON SQUARE HAVE ASKED FOR WALKING BEATS. OTHERS WANT OFFICERS STATIONED. YOU'RE BUSY INTERSECTIONS. THE QUESTION TODAY IS NOT ABOUT WHETHER THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT AND COMMISSIONER COX ARE DOING A GOOD JOB.  THE QUESTION IS WHETHER IN A CITY WITH FINITE RESOURCES THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS WORKING EFFICIENTLY.  AND WHETHER POLICE DEPARTMENT LEADERS HAVE A PLAN TO ENSURE THAT OFFICERS ARE PAID PROPERLY, THAT THEY HAVE ENOUGH TIME OFF TO REST AND SPEND TIME WITH THEIR FAMILIES ALL WHILE STILL KEEPING OUR CITY THE SAFEST IN THE COUNTRY. THE LARGEST EXPENSE BY FAR IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS FOR OVERTIME.  IN 2023 THE CITY SPENT $77 MILLION ON OVERTIME NEARLY 20% OF THEIR OVERALL BUDGET OF 405 MILLION OVERTIME. AS THE CHAIR NOTED FOR 2024 IS EXPECTED TO EXCEED $100 MILLION. BUT FIRST BEFORE I GO FORWARD, IT'S IMPORTANT TO DEFINE WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OVERTIME. WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE KIND OF OVERTIME YOU GET PAID WHEN YOU WORK MORE THAN 40 HOURS IN A WEEK. INSTEAD WE ARE TALKING ABOUT EXTRA PAY THAT IS REQUIRED UNDER THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT THE CITY HAS WITH VARIOUS UNIONS. THESE REQUIRE THAT OFFICERS ARE PAID TIME AND A HALF WHEN THEY WORK AS A REPLACEMENT ON A SHIFT.  WHEN THEY WORK BEYOND THEIR EIGHT HOUR SHIFT.  WHEN THEY WORK AT A SPECIAL EVENT SUCH AS A PARADE AND WHEN THEY APPEAR IN COURT THE RISING COST OF POLICE OVERTIME HAS PROVED VIRTUALLY UNSTOPPABLE. AS YOU'LL SEE IN THE SLIDE PRESENTATION FIRST IS A SERIES OF ARTICLES THAT SHOW THAT THIS HAS BEEN AN ISSUE FOR AS LONG AS WE'VE HAD NEWSPAPERS IN THE CITY.  WITH THE EXCEPTION OF COVID, THE AMOUNT OF OVERTIME HAS GONE UP DESPITE AUDITS, DESPITE RISING RISES AND FALLS IN STAFFING LEVELS OR DECREASE IN CRIME LEVELS. AS A COUNCIL WE WOULD NOT BE DOING OUR JOB IF WE DIDN'T ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW WE CAN AT LEAST SLOW DOWN THE RATE OF ACCELERATION OF THESE INCREASES.  IN 2015, MAYOR MARTY WALSH COMMISSIONED AN AUDIT OF THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT'S OVERTIME PAYMENT PRACTICES. THIS AUDIT FOUND SEVERAL THINGS. ONE THAT THE OVERTIME BUDGET CONTINUES TO GROW. THIS IS IN 2015 DESPITE HIGH STAFFING LEVELS. TWO THAT THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT USED AN OVERTIME BANK FOR EACH DISTRICT INSTEAD OF AWARDING OVERTIME AS NEEDED . THREE THAT COMPSTAT MEETINGS DO NOT LOOK AT OVERTIME NUMBERS. FOR THAT THERE WERE 40 OR MORE POSITIONS THAT WERE FILLED BY SWORN OFFICERS IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT PERFORMED PRIMARILY CLERICAL WORK SUCH AS IN THE PAID THE DETAIL SCHEDULING UNIT THAT COULD BE STAFFED BY CIVILIANS FREEING UP THOSE OFFICERS TO PERFORM WORK IN THE FIELD. FIVE THAT BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT CAPPED THE WORKWEEK AT 90 HOURS BUT THAT THIS CEILING IS NEVER REACHED AND DID NOT IMPACT OVERTIME SPENDING. SIX EVEN WHEN CONSIDERING THE IMPACT OF UNPLANNED EVENTS SUCH AS PARADES, STORMS, PROTESTS.  THE AMOUNT OF OVERTIME WHEN LOOKED AT MONTH BY MONTH WAS RELATIVELY EVEN THROUGHOUT THE YEAR AND THIS IS FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS OF DATA. SEVEN THAT SPECIALTY UNITS INCREASE OVERTIME COSTS DISPROPORTIONATELY. EIGHT THAT WIDESPREAD USE OF INJURY LEAVE EXACERBATE STAFFING ISSUES AT BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT. NINE THAT LIMITING THE AMOUNT OF TIME AN OFFICER CAN WORK IN A 24 HOUR PERIOD OR IN A 40 HOUR WEEK WILL NOT REDUCE OVERTIME AND TEN THAT THAT POLICE OFFICERS CAN EARN OVERTIME BY TAKING COMP TIME AND THEN PICKING UP A SHIFT ON THAT SAME DAY. THE AUDIT MADE A NUMBER OF RECOMMENDATIONS WHICH ARE INCLUDED IN THIS IN THE SLIDE PRESENTATION BUT AMONG THOSE I'LL JUST HIGHLIGHT A FEW. NUMBER ONE THAT COMMAND STAFF AND SUPERVISORY OFFICERS NEED TO SUPERVISE OVERTIME AND BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE USE OF OVERTIME.  TWO THAT OVERTIME SHOULD BE WORKED AS NEEDED NOT ALLOCATED IN A BANK. THREE THE COMPSTAT MEETING SHOULD INCLUDE A REVIEW OF OVERTIME FOR THAT POSITIONS CLERICAL POSITIONS LIKE IN THE DETAIL SCHEDULING UNIT BE FILLED BY CIVILIANS FREEING UP SWORN OFFICERS FOR OTHER WORK. FIVE THAT TO CREATE AN INTEGRATED SYSTEM OF TIME ACCOUNTING SO SUPERVISORS CAN QUICKLY SEE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF HOURS EACH PERSON IS WORKING DURING THE WEEK. ONE THING THAT WAS NOT SUGGESTED IN THE AUDIT WAS SIMPLY TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF POLICE OFFICERS.  YET NOW THE SUGGESTION OF SOME IS THAT OVERTIME CAN BE REDUCED BY ADDING 500 OFFICERS. THE DATA SUGGESTS THAT THE OPPOSITE IS TRUE TOGETHER OVERTIME PAY FOR REPLACE AND SHIFTS SPECIAL EVENTS AND COURT APPEARANCES MAKE UP OVER 50% OF OUR OVERTIME EXPENDITURES. THERE WOULD BE NO COST SAVINGS FOR THESE CATEGORIES SIMPLY BY ADDING OFFICERS TO THE FORCE.  INSTEAD YOU WOULD EXPECT TO SEE THOSE OVERTIME COSTS TO INCREASE WITHOUT PROPER OVERSIGHT JUST ADDING 500 OFFICERS TO REDUCE OVERTIME SPENDING WOULD BE LIKE TRYING TO STOP A FIRE BY ADDING MORE WOOD. AT A HEARING BEFORE THIS COUNCIL IN NOVEMBER 2020, SUPERINTENDENT JAMES HASSAM TOLD THIS BODY THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAD A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO REDUCE OVERTIME NUMBERS BUT THAT WITH INCREASES IN CRIME DEMONSTRATIONS AND THE PANDEMIC THESE PLANS COULD NOT IMPLEMENTED WELL. NOW IT'S TIME TO MAKE SOME PROGRESS. WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT A SAFE CITY REQUIRES MORE THAN JUST SPENDING ON POLICE WORK. WE NEED SCHOOLS THAT WORK FOOD AND CLOTHING FOR OUR KIDS YOUTH PROGRAMS, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, GOOD PAYING JOBS AND SO MUCH MORE. LET'S WORK TOGETHER TO FIND A COMMON TO FIND COMMON SENSE SOLUTIONS THAT WILL ENSURE OUR POLICE OFFICERS ARE PAID APPROPRIATELY FOR THE VITAL WORK THEY PERFORM IN OUR CITY. BUT LET'S NOT OVERLOOK BALLOONING SPENDING ON OVERTIME THAT COULD PREVENT US FROM PROVIDING ESSENTIAL SERVICES FOR OUR RESIDENTS. THANK YOU, JOHN. THANK YOU.  NOW OPENING REMARKS FROM COUNCILOR FLYNN LIZ BOND SPONSOR OF DOCKET NUMBER ONE TWO.  THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. AND I WANT TO SAY FIRST THANK YOU TO THE PANEL FOR BEING HERE AND FOR THE IMPORTANT WORK THAT YOU ARE DOING EVERY DAY FOR THE RESIDENTS OF BOSTON. JIM LISA, SUPERINTENDENT AND THE DEPUTY SUPERINTENDENT AS WELL. ALL OUTSTANDING DEDICATED CITY OFFICIALS. I FILED THIS HEARING WITH CITY COUNCILOR MURPHY AND OTHERS TO DISCUSS BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT STAFFING LEVEL AS THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS LONG FACED CHALLENGES IN UNDERSTAFFING, OVERSTRETCHED RESOURCES, FORCED OVERTIME FOR POLICE OFFICERS AS WELL AS LOOMING RETIREMENTS.  SINCE I HAVE BEEN ON THE CITY COUNCIL FOR ALMOST SEVEN YEARS I HAVE CONSISTENTLY ADVOCATED TO HIRE HUNDREDS OF ADDITIONAL POLICE OFFICERS EVERY YEAR FOR THE NEXT DECADE TO ADDRESS LONG STANDING ISSUES OF UNDERSTAFFING. IN FACT, THE BOSTON MUNICIPAL CODE MANDATES THAT THE NUMBER OF POLICE OFFICERS ON THE FORCE SHALL AT NO TIME BE LESS THAN 2500. WE ARE CURRENTLY UNDER THIS NUMBER AT AROUND 2200. THIS MEANS THAT CURRENT OFFICERS ARE MANDATED TO FILL IN THE GAPS WITH FORCED OVERTIME WHICH LEADS TO BURNOUT IN OUR OFFICE OFFICERS. THESE STAFFING ISSUES ARE NOT ONLY IMPACTING OUR OFFICERS BUT ALSO THEIR FAMILIES.  IT'S IMPACTING PUBLIC SAFETY IN ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.  IT IS THEREFORE IMPERATIVE THAT THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT CONSISTENTLY RECRUIT AND RETAIN POLICE OFFICERS TO STAY COMFORTABLY ABOVE THAT NUMBER.  ACROSS DISTRICT TWO PARTICULARLY IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA BOSTON COMMON COPLEY SQUARE PARTS OF THE SOUTH IN SOUTH BOSTON. I HAVE HEARD FROM MY NEIGHBORS ESPECIALLY MORE RECENTLY ON THE NEED FOR A STRONGER POLICE PRESENCE WHERE CRIME AND ILLEGAL ACTIVITY PARTICULARLY RELATING TO DRUGS HAVE BECOME VISIBLE AND ARE HAVING A NEGATIVE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR OUR RESIDENTS.  COUNCIL OVERALL MENTIONED CRIME STATS ARE UP AND B THREE AND SEE 11. FEW NIGHTS AGO I WAS IN DOWNTOWN ON TUESDAY FOR COMPSTAT MEETING WITH BOSTON POLICE IN RESIDENCE WHERE COMMISSIONER COX AND THE POLICE PRESENTED THE LATEST CRIME STATS AND LISTENED TO AND ADDRESSED SOME OF THE RESIDENTS CONCERNS.  I ALSO UNDERSTAND IT IS A DIFFICULT ENVIRONMENT TO RECRUIT POLICE OFFICERS. OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS AND WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO EXPLORE WAYS TO ENSURE WE HAVE EFFICIENT STAFFING LEVELS. I ALSO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US IN ELECTIVE OFFICE TO SUPPORT OUR POLICE AND THEIR FAMILIES AND TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO PROMOTE THE POLICE IN A POSITIVE IMAGE. I THINK OUR COMMENTS AT TIMES NOT JUST THIS BODY GENERALLY SPEAKING WHEN WE WANT TO SAY WE WANT TO DEFUND THE POLICE HAS A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON RECRUITING AND RETENTION AND IT IMPLIES THAT THERE IS NO SUPPORT FOR THE BOSTON POLICE. THE SUPPORT IN THE IN THE COMMUNITY. SO FOR THE BOSTON POLICE I GO TO THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS EVERY NIGHT AND POLICE AND RESIDENTS RESPECT WHAT POLICE ARE DOING. THEY'RE NOT ASKING FOR DEFUNDING THE POLICE.  THEY'RE ACTUALLY ASKING FOR MORE POLICE OFFICERS. WE WANT MORE POLICE OFFICERS IN THE SOUTH END ON MELANIA CASSO, COPLEY SQUARE OR ANDREWS SQUARE AS WHAT THEY'RE SAYING TO ME . OUR BOSTON POLICE OFFICERS WORK HARD EVERY DAY DEDICATED TO SERVING OUR COMMUNITY. THEY'RE PART OF OUR COMMUNITY.  THEY'RE OUR YOUTH SPORTS COACHES. THEY'RE ACTIVE IN LITTLE LEAGUE. THEY'RE ACTIVE IN PTA VOLUNTEER WORK. THEY'RE PART OF THE SOLUTION. THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE PROBLEM . LET'S SUPPORT POLICE OFFICERS. LET'S SUPPORT THEM LIKE THEY'VE ALWAYS SUPPORTED THE RESIDENTS OF BOSTON GOING DURING GOOD TIMES OR IN BAD TIMES. THE POLICE HAVE BEEN THERE TO SUPPORTING THE NEIGHBORHOODS OF THE CITY AND LET'S NOT TRY TO BALANCE THE BUDGET ON THE BACKS OF POLICE OFFICERS. IN FACT, IF WE'RE ASKING POLICE OFFICERS TO WORK 8090 HOURS A WEEK, MAYBE SOME OF THAT OVERTIME SHOULD BE INCLUDED. A PERCENTAGE SHOULD BE ENHANCED IN THEIR RETIREMENT BECAUSE ONLY THE 40 HOURS IS PART OF THEIR RETIREMENT.  IF WE'RE GOING TO FORCE PEOPLE TO WORK 80 HOURS, MAYBE SOME OF THAT MONEY SHOULD BE USED FOR RETIREMENT WHEN THE FIRST MEETING I HAD WITH COMMISSIONER COX WHEN HE STARTED WE HAD POLICE OFFICERS WORKING A 24 HOUR SHIFT.  THAT'S UNHEALTHY FOR THE POLICE OFFICER. THAT'S UNHEALTHY FOR THE RESIDENTS. THAT'S UNHEALTHY FOR THE COMMUNITY. THE POLICE OFFICERS FAMILY LET'S WORK TOGETHER. THE POPULATION OF BOSTON IS RISING SOCIALLY AT THE NUMBER OF POLICE OFFICERS IN THE CITY OF BOSTON.  THANK YOU, MR CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. AND I WOULD ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO THE LEAD SPONSORS BECAUSE IT IS THEIR DOCKET.  BUT GOING FORWARD I'M GOING TO AWARD 3 MINUTES OF OPENING REMARKS TO THE REST OF MY COLLEAGUES.  NOW GO TO COUNCIL PRESIDENT LOUIJEUNE ORIGINAL CO-SPONSOR.  DOCKET NUMBER 10354. WE'RE HERE. YEAH, WE'RE GOING BACK AND FORTH. YEAH.  I MEAN SOME OF THESE VOTES ARE COOL. YEAH, I'M A CO-SPONSOR. CO-SPONSOR? YES. RIGHT. YEP. OKAY.  A RESPONSIBLE IT'S THE SAME. IT'S THE SAME. IT'S THE SAME THING. OKAY, IT'S THE SAME THING. UM, THANK YOU. I WILL TRY NOT TO TAKE UP TOO MUCH TIME. I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU. I THINK I'VE HAD IN-DEPTH COVERAGE WITH ALL OF YOU ABOUT THE BOTH THE GREAT WORK THAT WE'RE DOING IN THE CITY AND THE CHALLENGES THAT WE FACE. I THINK SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ALREADY MADE THE POINTS.  ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'M MOST INTERESTED IN IS REALLY UNDERSTANDING MINIMUM STAFFING LEVELS AND I THINK FOR A LOT OF COLLEAGUES OLD AND NEW I WILL SAY THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND BETTER BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT SORT OF HOW WE'RE ALREADY BAKING HOW WE'RE BAKING THE SYSTEM IN THE BEGINNING SO ARE THERE ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE NEED TO TO MAKE TO MINIMUM STAFFING LEVELS?  ARE THERE YOU KNOW, SHOULD WE BE THINKING MORE ABOUT THESE SPECIAL EVENTS AND HOW WE ACCOUNT FOR THAT AND PEOPLE'S REGULAR SHIFTS? I DO AGREE WITH WHAT COUNCILOR WEBER STATED THAT THERE IS DATA THAT SHOWS IN PAST YEARS WHEN WE HAVE SEEN INCREASE IN IN HIRING WE HAVE ALSO SEEN AN INCREASE IN OVERTIME SPENDING YEAR AFTER YEAR ADMINISTRATION AFTER ADMINISTRATION HAS TRIED TO REALLY ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF OVERTIME SPENDING TO NO AVAIL.  AND I THINK IT'S IT'S DUE TIME FOR US TO TRY TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO SOME ACCOUNTABILITY MEASURES AROUND OVERTIME.  THERE ARE OTHER CITIES THAT THAT HAVE CAPS THAT DO DIFFERENT THINGS TO DEAL WITH OVERTIME SPENDING. SO NOW I GO BACK TO THE LANGUAGE IN THE CHARTER THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, THAT OVERTIME SHOULD ONLY BE USED IN CASES OF EXTREME EMERGENCY AND I THINK WE'RE USING IT OVERTIME RIGHT NOW AS A MATTER OF ROUTINE PRACTICE. SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO UNDERSTAND BASICALLY THE ONE ON ONE OF MINIMUM STAFFING AND WHAT WE CAN DO ON THE FRONT END WHEN WE ARE BUILDING OUT SCHEDULES AND WE ARE DETERMINING WHO IS WORKING AND WHAT DIFFERENT UNITS WHAT WHAT BELONGS IN A CERTAIN DEPARTMENT OR NOT THAT WE TRY TO WHAT WERE THE TRENDS THAT WE SEE IN OVERTIME SPENDING THAT WE TRY TO BAKE IN AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE ON THE FRONT END SO I WANT TO DELVE INTO THOSE QUESTIONS AND I THANK MY COLLEAGUES FOR THEIR COMMENTS. I KNOW THAT YOU KNOW THERE ARE OVERALL CRIME IN THE CITY OF BOSTON IS DOWN BUT THERE ARE NEIGHBORHOODS WHEN THAT IF THEY'RE FEELING IT MORE ACUTELY THEY DON'T FEEL THAT. AND SO THERE ARE THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT SUCH AS AND I THINK COUNCILOR WORRELL CHAIR WERE WELL UPLIFTED WALKING BEAT AND UPLIFTED.  YOU KNOW, I WANT TO UPLIFT THE GREAT WORK OF THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT BUREAU, SEE HOW WE CAN FURTHER SUPPORT THE WORK THAT'S BEING DONE THERE WHILE ALSO ADDRESSING THE ISSUE OF OVERTIME. IT'S GREAT THAT WE HAVE MORE EVENTS. SHOULD WE BE WORKING THOSE EVENTS IN THE COURSE OF THOSE EVENTS INTO THE BUDGET RATHER THAN OVERTIME? SO THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS AND THE THINGS THAT I CARE ABOUT BUT PARTICULARLY AROUND MINIMUM STAFFING LEVELS AND I LOOK FORWARD TO THE CONVERSATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NOW OPENING REMARKS FROM CARSON MURPHY ORIGINAL CO-SPONSOR OF DOCKET NUMBER 1207 THANK YOU CHAIR THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. AND LISA, YOU SEEM I THINK YOU'RE AT THE MOST COUNCIL HEARINGS BUT THANK YOU FOR COMING ALWAYS WITH THE ANSWERS THAT WE ALWAYS ASK.  I SEE THIS COMBINED HEARING I KNOW WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT DOCKET 1207 WAS HEARD IT'S IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE, THE FIRST ONE THAT WAS FILED BACK IN JUNE DURING IN THE SPONSORS BROUGHT THAT FORWARD AND IT WAS WORDED THAT IT WOULD BE AN EMERGENCY HEARING THAT WE'D HAVE BEFORE A VOTE ON THE BUDGET BECAUSE IT WAS REALLY I ASSUME TRYING TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF HOW MUCH DO WE SPEND AND HOW MUCH DO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE KEEP ASIDE IN THE BUDGET WHICH IS IMPORTANT QUESTIONS THAT I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN ASKED SEVERAL TIMES ABOUT TRYING TO HOPEFULLY GET BETTER ANSWERS TODAY SO WE CAN COME AWAY FROM THIS HEARING WITH, YOU KNOW, BETTER IDEAS OF HOW TO FIX THAT AND HOW TO MOVE FORWARD. THE DOCKET THAT COUNCIL OF FLYNN AND I FILE TO ME IT'S MORE ABOUT THE STRESS ON INDIVIDUAL POLICE OFFICERS THAT OVER UNDERSTAFFING IS CAUSING AND IF IT'S FORCED OVERTIME OR NOT AND THE OVERALL STRESS TO THE DEPARTMENT WHEN WE'RE DOWN SO MANY OFFICERS. SO I DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT BOTH OF THOSE CONCERNS EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE SOMEWHAT COMBINED NOT COMPLETELY COMBINED BUT IN HOW CAN WE ON THE COUNCIL SUPPORT I KNOW WE JUST RECENTLY HAD A HEARING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PERMANENTLY EXPANDING THE MAXIMUM AGE THAT WOULD HELP GET A FEW MORE OFFICERS ON BUT THAT'S NOT THE ONLY THING WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH A LOT MORE WAYS TO INCREASE RECRUITING.  ONE THING I KNOW LISA, WE TALKED ABOUT AT THAT HEARING IS WE WERE BUDGETED FOR WHAT WAS IT LIKE 280 THAT COULD HAVE GONE INTO THIS CURRENT CLASS THAT IS IN THE ACADEMY NOW. BUT ONCE ALL THE INTERVIEWS AND BACKGROUND CHECKS AND THE AMOUNT OF INDIVIDUALS WHO EVEN WANTED TO APPLY, THERE'S ONLY LIKE A LOW 100 IN THE ACADEMY NOW. SO GETTING YOU KNOW, MORE QUALIFIED CANDIDATES TO KNOW TO TAKE THE CIVIL SERVICE TEST AND TO WANT TO APPLY IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO BE DILIGENT ON OR WILL CONTINUE TO BE IN THIS SITUATION WHERE EVEN THOUGH WE'RE WILLING AND ABLE TO HIRE MORE, WE DON'T HAVE THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ABLE OR WILLING TO APPLY SO LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING THESE ANSWERS SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD FROM HERE SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NOW WE'LL HAVE OPEN REMARKS FROM THE WAYS AND MEANS VICE-CHAIR COUNCILOR PEPE.  GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR EVERYONE FOR BEING HERE AND TO THE SPONSORS AND THE CO-SPONSORS OF THIS HEARING. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PUTTING THIS ON THE FLOOR AND TO THOSE THAT ARE TESTIFYING TODAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. I WANT TO START JUST BY SAYING THAT I THINK COUNCILOR WEBER SAID IT PERFECTLY THAT IT'S NOT ABOUT THE GOOD WORK THAT THE PPD IS DOING BECAUSE I HAVE NOTHING BUT GOOD THINGS TO SAY ABOUT HOW CAN WE BE MORE RESOURCEFUL AND TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS THE REASONING ON SOMEONE'S OVERSPENDING? HOW CAN WE WORK TOGETHER TO FIND A SOLUTION TO IT BECAUSE SAME AS COUNCILOR FLYNN MENTIONED EVERYTHING THAT I HEAR IN MY DISTRICT IS THAT WE WANT MORE. WE WE WANT MORE WALKING BEAT OFFICERS. WE WANT TO SEE MORE TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT FROM OUR BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT. YOU GUYS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB. THE COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICERS ARE B38 AND ANY ANY FIVE ALL OF THEM ARE AT EVERY SINGLE MEETING THAT I MET AND THE COMMUNITY REALLY APPRECIATES THAT. BUT THEN THE CONVERSATION HAS TO BE HOW WE AS A CITY IN TERMS OF A BUDGET CAN BE CAN BE VERY SMART ON HOW WE'RE SPENDING OUR MONEY WHERE WE TRY TO SEE WHERE THE DIFFERENT RESOURCES ARE GOING TO HOW CAN WE ALL WORK TOGETHER TO FIND A SOLUTION. BUT THAT'S WHY I'M HERE AT THIS AT THIS MEETING TO LEARN HOW CAN WE ALL WORK TOGETHER, LEARN ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE VPD BUDGET BUT TO ULTIMATELY FIND A SOLUTION TO ALL OF THIS.  THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING MEJIA. I'LL USE THE REST OF MY TIME BACK. THANK YOU.  COUNCILOR TO JOE THE FLOOR. JOYCE THANK YOU CHAIR AND AGAIN THANK YOU TO THE PANEL FOR FOR ALL YOU GUYS DO IN KEEPING OUR CITY ONE OF THE SAFEST IN AMERICA AND THAT IS OBVIOUSLY NO EASY FEAT.  AND SO WE APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS DO THAT WOMEN DO DAY IN, DAY OUT. I THINK EVERYBODY HERE HAS A MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL INTEREST IN TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE REIN IN COST. I MEAN I KNOW THAT I TALKED TO A LOT OF RANK AND FILE POLICE OFFICERS THAT LIVE IN DISTRICT THREE. ONE IN PARTICULAR SHOWED ME HIS CALENDAR AND SAID I HAD TO WORK AT DOUBLE EVERY DAY THIS MONTH AND HAD TO TAKE A DAY OFF JUST TO CATCH MY BREATH. RIGHT. AND THEY DON'T WANT TO WORK AT THIS OVERTIME RATE AND I KNOW THEY WANT A MORE REGULAR FAMILY TIME AND HOURS TO BE SPENT DOING OTHER THINGS THAN JUST WORK SO I KNOW THE POLICE THEMSELVES WOULD CARE TO BRING WE'D LIKE TO BRING THIS DOWN. I KNOW THE BUDGET SIDE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT COME DOWN SO IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF HOW WE GET THERE. RIGHT. AND SORT OF THE THE SOLUTION TO GET THERE AND I KNOW VISITING THE ACADEMY EARLIER THIS WEEK AND TALKING WITH THEM AND I WOULD TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO PLUG NEW FACILITIES FOR THE ACADEMY TO BE ABLE TO TAKE ON BIGGER CLASSES BECAUSE IN THAT OLD SCHOOL OF A BUILDING THAT THEY USE SOMETIMES THE THEY CAN'T EVEN TAKE IN THE AMOUNT OF APPLICANTS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO TAKE. AND I DO THINK THAT MORE POLICE WOULD HELP THIS MANDATORY OVERTIME SITUATION NOT THAT MANY POLICE OFFICERS WOULD RATHER NOT HAVE TO DO WORKING A DOUBLE EVERY DAY AND SO CAN WE DO BETTER SHORT I THINK THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO GET THERE. I'M JUST HAPPY TO BE HERE AND I'LL SAVE MY MY QUESTIONS FOR FOR AFTER YOUR PRESENTATION. BUT THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE.  THANK YOU. CHAIR THANK YOU, COUNCILOR DURKIN THE FLOOR IS YOURS.  THANK YOU SO MUCH. CHAIR WE'RE ALL AND EXCITED TO BE HERE FOR THIS HEARING. I THINK WE'RE I'M REALLY I REALLY LOVE THE FORMAT OF THIS BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING TO ADDRESS TWO ISSUES WITHIN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT ARE I WOULD SAY THAT THEY'RE THE MOST COVERED BY THE MEDIA. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE FROM THE CAMERAS BEHIND ME THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS REALLY GOTTEN A LOT OF FLASH IN THE PAN. IT'S REALLY GOTTEN A LOT OF HEADLINES.  BUT WHAT WE REALLY HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO IN THIS COUNCIL AT LEAST THE PAST YEAR THAT I'VE BEEN HERE IS REALLY GET INTO THE NITTY GRITTY SPECIFICALLY ON OVERTIME REPRESENTING TWO ENTERTAINMENT DISTRICTS.  I KNOW THAT A LOT OF THESE DETAILS ARE NOT DETAILS THAT PEOPLE WANT TO FILL. THERE ARE DETAILS THAT NEED TO BE FILLED BASED ON AND AND PART OF THAT OVERTIME THAT THOSE FOLKS ARE GETTING IS ACTUALLY AND THOSE DETAILS ARE ACTUALLY PAID FOR BY THE VENUE AND BY THE BUSINESSES THAT THAT NEED FOLKS TO BE AT THEIR EVENT THAT'S OVER 5000 PEOPLE. AND SO YOU KNOW, MY INTERACTIONS REALLY AROUND OVERTIME AND DETAIL SPECIFICALLY IN DISTRICT DATE HAVE REALLY BEEN LIKE YOU KNOW WHEN YOU GO TO A CONCERT, WHEN YOU GO TO A CONCERT VENUE OR A GAME LIKE YOU WANT THE POLICE TO BE THERE AND YOU WANT TO FEEL SAFE AND YOU WANT THERE TO BE FOLKS THERE.  SO I'VE REALLY INTERACTED WITH IT ON THAT LEVEL BUT OVERTIME IS SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY NEED TO SORT OF SINK OUR TEETH INTO BUT WE'RE ALSO OBLIGATED BY BOTH OUR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS AND JUST BY THE LAW TO PAY OVERTIME. SO UNLESS WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY OUT OF OUR STAFFING SHORTAGES AND THAT'S WHY THESE GO HAND IN HAND, WE'RE REALLY NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO TACKLE THIS ISSUE.  AND I APPRECIATE YOU KNOW, I WAS AT FENWAY PARK THIS MORNING FOR SEEING SOME TACTICAL STUFF HAPPENING WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. I REALLY APPRECIATE BOTH THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO SERVE ON OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT AND POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THOSE JOBS ARE ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL FOR CITY SERVICES. AND I APPRECIATE THE OTHER CHAIR THAT MAYBE COULD HAVE BEEN UP HERE IS OUR CITY SERVICES CHAIR. SO I JUST APPRECIATE JUST BEING ABLE TO DIG IN TO THIS CONVERSATION AND I APPRECIATE,  YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE FOLKS WHO BROUGHT THIS FORWARD BUT JUST ALSO APPRECIATE FROM OUR PANEL AND I DEPUTY SUPERINTENDENT HUMPHREYS, I KNOW WE'VE TALKED A LOT ABOUT SPECIAL EVENTS AND ROAD RESOURCES AND HOW WE CAN SIMPLIFY THOSE SO THAT THERE'S A PLAN SO I KNOW THERE'S MORE CONVERSATIONS TAPPING OFF LINE ABOUT THESE ISSUES BUT I APPRECIATE EVERYONE FOR CONVENING US.  THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT TO DO. TODAY'S PANELIST HAS AN ON BEHALF OF THE ADMINISTRATION SUPERINTENDENT LOWE, BUREAU CHIEF OF BUREAU OF ADMINISTRATION AND TECHNOLOGY BUREAU CHIEF LIZ O'BRIEN, BUREAU CHIEF OF ADMINISTRATION AND TECHNOLOGY DEPUTY SUPERINTENDENT HUMPHREYS ASSISTANT BUREAU CHIEF OF BUREAU OF FIELD SERVICES AND DIRECTOR OF OFFICE AND BUDGET MANAGEMENT. DIRECTOR WILLIAMSON, BEFORE US NOW YOURS GOOD AFTERNOON TO WORRELL GOOD AFTERNOON JUSTIN TANNER GOOD AFTER NOON COUNSELORS AND EVERYONE THAT'S HERE I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT MY NAME IS LISA O'BRIEN.  I AM THE CO BUREAU CHIEF FOR THE BUREAU OF ADMINISTRATION TECHNOLOGY HERE WITH ME I AM JOINED WITH CO BUREAU CHIEF ROBERT KOLO OF THE BUREAU OF ADMINISTRATION AND TECHNOLOGY ALONG WITH DEPUTY SUPERINTENDENT DANIEL HUMPHREYS ,THE DEPUTY FOR THE BUREAU OF FIELD SERVICES.  THEY ARE HERE WITH ME TO ASSIST WITH ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE WITH OPERATION ISSUES OR CONCERNS. I'M ALSO HERE WITH JIM WILLIAMSON WHO'S THE DIRECTOR OF BUDGET MANAGEMENT FOR THE OFFICE OF BUDGET MANAGEMENT FOR THE CITY OF BOSTON. AUSTIN POLICE DEPARTMENT WELCOMES THIS THIS IS THIS AFTERNOON. WE WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS YOU HAVE. WE ARE WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS THE CHALLENGES OF OVERTIME AND STAFFING AND THE STRATEGIES AND STRATEGIES WE ARE EMPLOYING TO ADDRESS THEM.  AS YOU KNOW, OVERTIME AND STAFFING LEVELS ARE DIRECTLY CONNECTED WHICH YOU'LL SEE IN THE SHORT PRESENTATION THAT I WILL BE SHOWING YOU FOLLOWING THIS PRESENTATION WE WILL WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.  THANK YOU.  THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT IS COMMITTED WITH WORKING IN PARTNERSHIP WITH OUR COMMUNITIES ALONG WITH OUR MANY OTHER PARTNERS TO MAKE BOSTON THE SAFEST CITY IN THE COUNTRY . WE ARE EXPERIENCED RECORD LOWS IN HOMICIDES SHOOTING VIOLENT CRIME. TOGETHER WE ARE BUILDING TRUST, PREVENTING IN SOLVING CRIME, ADDRESSING PROBLEMS IN THE QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES AND CONNECTING THOSE IN NEED WITH SERVICES AND THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT ARE WORKING HARD. THEY'RE WORKING VERY HARD 24/7 TO KEEP OUR NEIGHBORHOODS SAFE ,LOW STAFFING LEVELS COUPLED WITH INCREASING DEMANDS ON DEPARTMENT UNFORTUNATELY REQUIRE SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNTS OF OVERTIME RESOURCES.  THE CHALLENGES WE FACE ARE VERY REAL. IN ADDITION TO MAINTAINING MINIMUM STAFFING LEVELS IN OUR DISTRICTS, WE HAVE MANY PUBLIC SAFETY RESPONSIBILITIES. WE HAVE SEEN A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN PUBLIC SPECIAL EVENTS SINCE THE HAMAS LED ATTACK ON ISRAEL LAST OCTOBER . WE HAVE ADDED DIRECT PATROLS AT RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS AND DEALT WITH MANY RELATED PROTESTS IN OUR COMMITMENT TO STAFFING MASS IN CASE IT HAS CONTINUED TO GROW AS WE WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS IN THE CITY'S COORDINATED RESPONSE TEAM, THERE ARE FIVE CATEGORIES OF ALL THE TIME THAT YOU WILL SEE ON THIS SLIDE OBVIOUSLY THE TWO BIGGEST ONES THAT WERE MENTIONED EARLIER WERE OUR EXTENDED TOURS AND REPLACEMENT PERSONNEL.  THESE PERCENTAGES ARE FAIRLY CONSISTENT OVER TIME. I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT 92% OF OUR DIRECTED PATROLS ARE UNDER EXTENDED TOUR CATEGORY.  SLIDE FOUR SHOWS OVERTIME BY CATEGORY FOR THE FISCAL YEARS 22 THROUGH FISCAL YEAR 24. AS YOU CAN SEE THE TOTAL HOURS HAVE CONTINUED TO INCREASE. IT IS WORTH NOTING THAT AT EIGHT WEEKS IN AS OF AUGUST 23RD 2024 WE ARE 5.6% BELOW WHERE WE WERE THIS TIME LAST YEAR IN FISCAL YEAR 24.  SOME OF THE STRATEGIES THAT WE ARE WE'RE LOOKING AT AND ARE IMPLEMENTING OR HAVE IMPLEMENTED TO REDUCE OVER TIME. IS THE 20 ROTATION TOURS TO RELIEVE REPLACEMENT OVER TIME ADDRESSING THE LARGE NUMBERS OF OFFICERS WE HAD ON MISS I DO WANT TO MENTION THAT DURING COVID WE HAD APPROXIMATELY 300 OFFICERS OUT ON MY YES. WE ARE CURRENTLY NOW AT 104. WE HAVE ALSO 60 MODIFIED DUTY OFFICERS THAT ARE FILLING IN GAPS THAT ARE NORMALLY UP THAT ARE NORMALLY REPLACED WITH OVERTIME AND WE ARE SEEING A DECREASE WHICH IS PART OF THE DECREASE FOR REPLACEMENT COSTS THIS YEAR OVER LAST YEAR. WE ARE WE ARE ALSO WORKING WITH THE BOSTON RETIREMENT BOARD TO EXPEDITE DISABILITY RETIREMENTS TO GET THOSE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ON 111 MOVED UP TO THE RETIREMENT BOARD TO REDUCE OUR 111 HOUR COST TO THE CITY.  WE HAVE BIWEEKLY MEETINGS NOW WITH THE COMMANDERS.  STRUCTURED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WE DID PRE-COVID WHERE WE DISCUSS WHAT THEY'RE WORKING ON TO BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, HELP WITH THE MISSION OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO SOLVING AND PREVENT CRIME AND MAKING LIFE SAFE AND COMFORTABLE FOR OUR COMMUNITY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. FOR EXAMPLE, IN OUR BUREAU FIELD ADMINISTRATION TECHNOLOGY WHICH CONSIST OF MANY CIVILIAN PERSONNEL AND ALSO SOME SWORN WE BASICALLY REQUEST ALL OVERTIME BE APPROVED TO TWO WEEKS IN ADVANCE AND LISTING WHY THE OVERTIME IS NEEDED AND CANNOT BE FULFILLED DURING NORMAL BUSINESS OPERATIONS. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME CONTRACTUAL REFORMS REGARDING COURT OVERTIME AND THE NEW COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS AND BFS WHICH DEPUTY HUMPHRIES CAN SPEAK TO LATER IS REASSESSING OPERATIONAL PLANS FOR SPECIAL EVENTS AND HOPING TO CUT SOME OF THAT OVERTIME IN SOME OF THESE AREAS.  SLIDE SIX IS SHOWS OUR CURRENT STAFFING LEVELS WHICH I THINK IS IS COMPELLING. I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT CURRENTLY HAVE 2018 OFFICERS ON OUR ON OUR ON OUR BOOKS AS OF TODAY.  BUT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT OUR 104 OF THEM ARE OUT ON MS. 124 OF THEM ARE STILL IN THE ACADEMY. THERE'S FOUR OFFICERS ON ADMIN LEAVE THREE OFFICERS SUSPENDED . WE CURRENTLY HAVE 60 ON MODIFIED DUTY AND 52 ON LEAVE OF ABSENCE. WE'VE SEEN AN INCREASE IN THIS LEAVE OF ABSENCE AS A RESULT OF A VERY LUCRATIVE BENEFIT THE CITY HAS OFFERED UNDER THE PAID PARENTAL LEAVE. SO WHEN YOU TAKE IN ALL THOSE FACTORS RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 1671 OFFICERS FOR DEPLOYMENT BUT FOR THE WHOLE BOSTON AREA AND I'D WANT TO POINT OUT THAT SUPERINTENDENT COLE CAN SPEAK TO SIMILAR STAFFING LEVELS IN THE EIGHTIES WHEN BPD IS A TOTAL DIFFERENT STAFFING PLANT . AS MOST OF YOU AWARE WE ARE HAVING STAFFING ISSUES BUT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THIS IS A NATIONAL CRISIS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. THERE ARE FEWER PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BE POLICE OFFICERS NOW WHICH HAVE CREATED CHALLENGES FOR RECRUITMENT AS WELL AS RETENTION. IN ADDITION WE ARE WORKING VERY INTENSELY TO RECRUIT A DIVERSE WORKFORCE THAT IS REPRESENTED ON THE CITY IN TERMS OF RACE, RACE, ETHNICITY, GENDER AND LIVED EXPERIENCE.  COMMISSIONER COX BELIEVES THAT THE BEST RECRUITING STRATEGY WE HAVE IS TO BUILD TRUST WITH OUR COMMUNITY SO THAT THEY WILL WANT TO JOIN THE DEPARTMENT AND ENCOURAGE OTHER COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO JOIN. WE HAVE VERY COMMITTED TO THE 3030 CAMPAIGN WHICH IS A PLEDGE TO HAVE 30% OF OUR RECRUIT CLASS TO BE WOMEN UNTIL 2018 UNTIL 2030. I WOULD LIKE MENTION LAST YEAR WE IMPLEMENTED A SIGNIFICANT RECRUITMENT CAMPAIGN TO GET CITY RESIDENTS TO TAKE THE CIVIL SERVICE EXAM.  I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT WE WE HAD SIGNIFICANT RECRUITING EFFORTS AT THE TD GARDEN POLICE STATIONS THE YMCA AND SCHOOL AND THIS WAS IN EVERY SINGLE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CITY OF BOSTON AND IT WAS STAFFED WITH YOUNG MEMBERS OF OUR POLICE POLICE FORCE, THE COMMAND STAFF WHO SOME OF OUR CIVILIANS WERE THERE AS WELL AND WE WERE ABLE TO SUCCESSFULLY HAVE 1170 RESIDENTS SIGN UP FOR THE 2024 TEST. THE CIVIL SERVICE TEST COMPARED TO JUST 370 IN 2023.  HERE ARE THE RESULTS OF OUR RECRUITMENT EFFORTS FOR THE LAST RECRUIT CLASS CURRENT RECRUIT CLASS IN THE CADET CLASS THAT JUST GRADUATED LAST FRIDAY.  CURRENTLY THERE ARE 124 RECRUITS STILL IN THE ACADEMY. I LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT WE STARTED WITH THE CLASS OF 139 WITH THE EXPECTATION WE WERE HOPING TO GET A CLASS OF 200. AND WITH RESPECT TO THE CADET CLASS NOT ON THE SLIDE SEVEN OF THE 12 OF THAT WE JUST GRADUATED FROM THE ACADEMY LAST WEEK WERE BORN OUTSIDE THE US INCLUDING VIETNAM, EL SALVADOR AND HAITI.  TEN OF 12 SPEAK A LANGUAGE OTHER THAN ENGLISH INCLUDING PORTUGUESE, SPANISH, CAPE VERDEAN, CREOLE AND VIETNAMESE . AT THIS TIME I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE HERE AND WE ARE OPEN FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NOW I'LL GO TO MY COLLEAGUES FOR QUESTIONS STARTING THE LEANNE'S LEAD SPONSOR OF DUNCAN NUMBER 135 COUNCILOR WEBER.  THANK YOU.  SO I GUESS IN TERMS OF REDUCING OVER TIME WHAT IN TERMS OF DAILY STRATEGIES I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN TELL US WHAT THAT'S.  ARE YOU TIRED? YOU TALK ABOUT IT IN MEETINGS.  WHAT WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF LIKE THE ACTUAL PLAN FOR REDUCING OR PROTECTING?  BECAUSE CHIEF O'BRYAN SPOKE TO IT EVERY TWO WEEKS WE HAVE A MEETING. IT'S OUR COMPSTAT BY AN OFFICE THAT WE WOULD REFER TO AS A DEPLOYMENT MEETING.  THOSE ARE FREQUENTLY RUN BY DEPUTY HUMPHREYS TO MY LEFT. AND RATHER THAN YOU KNOW OH YOU'RE ALLOTTED X NUMBER OF HOURS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THERE'S A DISCUSSION OF NEED. WHAT EVENTS DO YOU HAVE?  WHAT INCIDENTS HAVE YOU HAD? WHAT IS YOUR PLAN FOR ADDRESSING THOSE? AND WHAT ARE YOUR REQUIREMENTS FOR THAT? YOU KNOW, RECENTLY FOR EXAMPLE WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR THERE WAS A SHOOTING AT A LOCAL BARBERSHOP THAT THE WHAT ARE DOING IN RESPONSE TO THAT IN TERMS OF INCREASED VISIBILITY.  WHAT ARE THE INVESTIGATIVE NEEDS FOR THAT?  YOU KNOW, THERE'S STAFF TIME INVOLVED THEN YOU KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME TENSIONS IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.  WE MADE YOU KNOW, SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE CAMERA COVERAGE IN THE AREA THAT INCLUDES SOME STAFFING THAT SOMETIMES GOES OUTSIDE REGULAR BUSINESS HOURS FOR THE CIVILIAN STAFFING FOR INSTALLATION, THINGS LIKE THAT IMAGE, THAT SORT OF ONGOING DISCUSSION WITH THE MOST OF WHICH TAKES PLACE IN THE BUREAU OF FIELD SERVICES FOR SO I'LL JUST IF I COULD COST WAS HANDED TO DEPUTY HUMPHRIES TO SEE IF HE WATCHED. WELL YEAH DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING. YEAH SURE YEAH. AND YOU KNOW FROM THE FIELD SERVICES STANDPOINT WE AGREE WITH EVERYONE'S SENTIMENT LIKE IT KILLS ME WHEN WE'RE ORDERING OFFICERS ON THEIR DAY OFFS TO COME IN TO WORK TO THE WELLNESS FACTOR OF IT, THE EFFECT THAT IT HAS ON THE PERSONNEL. YOU KNOW THE OFFICERS THEY'VE HAD A LONG SUMMER. WE'VE THEY'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE'VE ASKED THEM TO DO AND IT KILLS ME WHEN WE HAVE TO ORDER OFFICERS IN TO STAFF EVENTS. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I CAN TELL YOU MY OFFICE IS DOING VERY DELIBERATELY THERE'S A COUPLE OF VERY SPECIFIC THINGS THAT DOING AS IT RELATES AND I JUST TALK ABOUT SPECIAL EVENTS VERY, VERY QUICKLY. WE'RE REVIEWING KIND OF THE BLUEPRINTS THAT WE'VE USED FOR STAFFING AT EVENTS AND I'LL USE SOME OF THAT I'LL USE THE OPEN STREETS EVENTS FOR INSTANCE. SO THERE'S SIX OPEN STREETS EVENTS IN THE CITY THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WHICH ARE GREAT EVENTS. WE LOVE THEM, WE LOVE GOING TO THEM.  I THINK IT'S A GREAT TIME FOR THE OFFICERS TO INTERACT WITH THE PUBLIC BUT THERE IS A PUBLIC SAFETY COMPONENT TO IT. WE'VE REVIEWED THE OPEN STREETS DEPLOYMENTS AND WE'VE WE'VE LOOKED AT IT CRITICALLY AS TO HOW CAN WE REDUCE THE MANPOWER THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO THESE EVENTS, CREATE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT BUT NOT HAVE THE SAME NUMBER OFFICERS AND I CAN TELL YOU WE HAVE REDUCED THE DEPLOYMENT TO ALL SIX OPEN STREETS BY 50%. THE OPEN STREETS JP WENT FROM 62 OFFICERS TO BELOW 30 THIS YEAR. WE UTILIZE BLOCKING VEHICLES AN EXTENSIVE BARRIER PLAN. WE HAD THE ON DUTY DISTRICT COMMUNITY SERVICE OFFICERS GO DOWN THERE SO THAT'S LIKE A VERY SPECIFIC EVENT THAT I CAN SAY WE REDUCED OUR DEPLOYMENT BY 50%. ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS THERE'S A LOT OF EVENTS IN THE CITY. LAST YEAR IN THE WHOLE YEAR 244 EVENTS WENT BEFORE THE CITY THE CITY OF AUSTIN SPECIAL EVENTS COMMITTEE FOR PERMITTING WHERE MY OFFICE IS A PART OF THAT 244 IN THE ENTIRE YEAR AT THIS POINT THIS YEAR WERE OVER 500. SO THE NUMBER OF SPECIAL EVENTS IS GOING UP NOW NOT EVERY EVENT WE HAVE LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSONNEL OUT BUT AS THAT NUMBER GROWS THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS THAT ARE ASKED TO HELP WITH PUBLIC SAFETY THINGS IS INCREASING. SO AT THE SAME TIME WE'RE MAKING THESE VERY DELIBERATE EFFORTS TO REDUCE OUR FOOTPRINT . THERE'S MORE EVENTS, OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS AND WE HAVE DONE THIS WE HAVE COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE EVENT SPONSORS AND WE ASK THEM TO CHANGE CERTAIN FACTORS OF THEIR EVENTS THAT ALLOW US TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF PERSONNEL THAT WE ASSIGNED TO IT WHILE STILL ADDRESSING THE PUBLIC SAFETY REQUIREMENTS OF THE EVENT.  ZUBAIR WAS ONE OF THOSE IN ON TALBOT AVENUE B THREE WE WORKED WITH THE ORGANIZERS.  WE HAD OFFICERS THERE BUT THEY USED PRIVATE SECURITY. NOW THIS WAS AN EVENT THAT LAST YEAR THERE WAS A LOT OF LOT IT WAS IT WAS IT WAS IT WAS A VERY, VERY BUSY EVENT BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF EMERGENCY MEDICAL CALLS AND JUST A LOT GOING ON WITH IT. WE COMMUNICATED WITH THEM A LOT BEFORE THE EVENT. WE GAVE THEM VERY SPECIFIC SAID WE'RE GOING TO PERMIT THIS BUT THESE ARE OUR EXPECTATIONS. THEY HIRED A PRIVATE SECURITY COMPANY AND IT WENT GREAT. WE CHANGED THE MEANTIME WE SAID WE NEED TO ENFORCEMENT EARLIER AND TIME AND IT WORKED GREAT. WOULD YOU START A NUMBER OF OFFICERS ASSIGNED TO IT ADDRESS THE PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS?  OKAY. YEAH. SO I HAVE OTHER THAN SPECIAL EVENTS, HAVE THERE BEEN ANY EXAMPLES WHERE YOU'VE PUSHED FOR ACTIONS IN THE DISTRICTS THAT HAVE REDUCE HAVE YOU CALLED OUT USE OF OVERTIME? YES SO A NUMBER SO AS IT RELATES SPECIFICALLY TO I'LL GIVE YOU A ONE FOR INSTANCE WE'RE VERY CONCERNED AFTER THE ATTACKS IN ISRAEL LAST YEAR ABOUT COVERAGE AT RELIGIOUS INSTITUTIONS AND ON THE FRONT END OF IT WE DID A LOT OF SUPPLEMENTAL PATROLS BECAUSE WE WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT OVER TIME WE DIALED THAT BACK, IDENTIFIED TIMES AND LOCATIONS OF OUR GREATEST CONCERNS AROUND THE MOSQUES OR JEWISH INSTITUTIONS OR WHEREVER OUR CONCERNS WERE. THE ISRAELI CONSUL WAS ANOTHER SPOT THAT WE WERE A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT AND WE HAVE ASSIGNED ON DUTY PERSONNEL IN PLACE OF SUPPLEMENTAL PATROLS.  SO WE'RE USING PERSONNEL THAT ARE ALREADY WORKING A REGULAR SHIFT OF DUTY AND WE'RE WE'RE PICKING TIMES AND LOCATIONS OF GREATER CONCERN AND WE'RE JUST ASSIGNING THEM THERE DURING THOSE TIMES RATHER THAN HAVING SOMEBODY DEPLOYED THERE ALL ALL THE TIME. ANOTHER THING THAT'S TAKING PLACE IS WE ARE USING OFFICERS THAT ARE ASSIGNED NOT TO BUREAU OF FIELD SERVICES AND WE'RE PULLING THEM BACK INTO STREET DUTY FOR 22 HOURS AT A TIME. SO FOR INSTANCE NEXT SO FOR INSTANCE NEXT FRIDAY 40 OFFICERS THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO SPECIALIZED UNITS ARE BROUGHT IN TO DISTRICTS IN UNIFORM AND THEY WILL BE ASSIGNED TO A DISTRICT FOR 20 TOURS OF DUTY. IS THAT ARE THEY ARE THOSE PAID OVERTIME FOR THAT? NO, THAT IS THEIR SHIFT. WE'RE CHANGING THEIR SHIFT, THEIR SCHEDULE, THEIR REPORTING LOCATION AND THEY'RE REPORTING TO A DISTRICT ON A REGULAR SHIFT AND THEY'RE WORKING IN THAT DISTRICT FOR 22 HOURS AND WHEN IT'S DONE THEY GO BACK TO THEIR UNIT WILL BRING ANOTHER IT WILL BRING IN ANOTHER 40 PEOPLE AND THEIR SECURITY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHAIR FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. AND JUST FOR THE PUBLIC IN MY KNOWLEDGE AS WELL A TOUR IS HOW LONG OF A TIME IT'S A IT'S A SO WE BASICALLY HAVE THREE BASIC SHIFTS OF THE DAY TOURS. THE FIRST HALF AND THEN THE LAST HALF. THOSE ARE THE EIGHT HOUR SHIFTS SO THEY'LL BE ASSIGNED TO A SQUAD ON THE DAY SHIFT AND YOU DO 20 INDIVIDUAL SHIFTS IN THE DISTRICT IT EQUALS IT ENDS UP BEING LIKE A LITTLE OVER A MONTH LEFT OVER AND THEN YOU'RE ROTATED BACK AND ANOTHER CREW COMES IN THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. IS THERE A PLAN TO HAVE THOSE SPECIALIZED OFFICERS, YOU KNOW, DO ANOTHER 20 TOURS, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SIX MONTHS FROM NOW OR WE'VE DONE THE NUMBERS SO THAT YOU DO THAT BASICALLY ONCE A YEAR EVERY ONCE HE ROTATES ONE TIME A YEAR THROUGH THE DISTRICT TO IT TO HELP OUT. AWESOME. THANK YOU. NOW GO TO COUNCILOR FLYNN.  THANK YOU, MR CHAIR.  AGAIN, THANK YOU TO THE PANEL FOR BEING HERE AND THE WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING.  ONE QUESTION I WANTED TO FOCUS ON SUPERINTENDENT LAST NIGHT A FEW NIGHTS AGO YOU AND I WERE AT THE DOWNTOWN RESIDENCE MEETING.  THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES AND A ONE OUTSTANDING POLICE CAPTAIN. THEY ARE OUTSTANDING MEN AND WOMAN.  A-1 IS THE DOWNTOWN CROSSING AREA THE BOSTON COMMON AS WELL. THERE WAS A WOMAN THAT WAS FROM THE FRIENDS OF THE PUBLIC GUARD AND SHE WAS COORDINATING CONCERTS THIS SUMMER AS YOU KNOW WHEN SHE SPOKE. BUT SHE HAD TO CANCEL CONCERTS. SHE HAD TO RESCHEDULE CONCERTS . SHE HAD TO POSTPONE CONCERTS THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER BECAUSE OF PUBLIC SAFETY CHALLENGES IN AND AROUND THE BOSTON COMMON. THAT'S WHAT THIS ORGANIZER OF THE CONCERTS WAS TALKING ABOUT.  WHAT ARE WE DOING, SUPERINTENDENT ? AND AGAIN, I AM IN THAT AREA EVERY DAY AS YOU KNOW, OUTSTANDING POLICE OFFICERS.  WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE THE BOSTON COMMON SAFER?  SO CASTLE FLYNN AND JUST FOR BACKGROUND FOR THE OTHERS I'VE SPENT TWO AND A HALF YEARS AS THE CAPTAIN OF DAY ONE OF THE COUNCIL OF FLYNN THOSE I DON'T KNOW IF SOME OF THE NEWER BUT IF YOU DO I'LL BE HONEST THAT'S HONESTLY A FULL SERVICES QUESTION BUT FROM MY OWN I'LL JUST SPEAK TO YOU KNOW THERE'S A NEED FOR VISIBILITY CERTAINLY THE THE PROBLEMS AROUND BOSTON COMMON ARE SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTED BY, YOU KNOW, HOMELESSNESS AND MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES AND MANY OF THEM ARE NOT WHAT I WOULD SAY ARE COMMITTING MAJOR CRIMES THEIR QUALITY OF LIFE CRIMES, THEIR OPEN DRUG USE, THAT SORT OF THING AS WELL. THOSE PEOPLE WHO QUITE FRANKLY ARE EXPERIENCING ONGOING MENTAL HEALTH EPISODES AND YOU KNOW,  THE NEED TO HAVE A FOCUSED STRATEGY FOR ADDRESSING THOSE INDIVIDUALS THINGS LIKE OUR COORDINATED RESPONSE TEAMS ARE A MAJOR PART OF THAT. IT'S CASEWORK. THESE ARE IT'S NOT RAIN, IT'S NOT WIND. IT'S THESE ARE INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE WHO NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AS INDIVIDUALS. BUT THAT TAKES TIME.  THAT'S TIME TAKEN AWAY FROM ANSWERING RADIO CALLS AND SO ON. BUT I THINK IT'S A COMBINATION OF INCREASED VISIBILITY WHETHER THAT BE BICYCLES OR WALKING BEADS OR SOME OTHER STRATEGY THERE FOR VISIBILITY COUPLED WITH INDIVIDUAL SORT OF SOCIAL SERVICES ORIENTED WHERE LAW ENFORCEMENT IS INVOLVED BECAUSE WE'RE ALWAYS THE FIRST ONE THAT GET CALLED FOR THAT SO THAT I HOPE IT YOU KNOW, IT DOES. SUPERINTENDENT ANOTHER QUESTION. SUPERINTENDENT TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF POLICE OFFICERS ON IN THE CITY AND MAYBE TO GENERALLY SLOW DOWN HOWEVER I'M A YOUNG POLICE OFFICER STARTING OUT NOW I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE SALARY IS BUT THAT ALMOST PRECLUDES THAT OFFICER FROM BUYING A HOME. THE SALARY IS TOO LOW.  WHY CAN'T WE LOOK AT ABOLISHING RESIDENCY FOR NEW OFFICERS AND CURRENT OFFICERS HAVE A PLAN SO WE CAN GET PEOPLE INTO BOSTON THAT WANT TO BE POLICE OFFICERS IN BOSTON BUT JUST AREN'T ABLE TO AFFORD A HOME.  YOUNG PEOPLE THAT ARE 25 YEARS OLD STARTING OUT GRADUATING FROM THE ACADEMY EVEN IF THEY MAKE $100,000 A YEAR THAT PRECLUDES THEM FROM ALMOST BUYING A HOME IN ALMOST EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD OF BOSTON. LET'S CONSIDER ABOLISHING RESIDENCY AND THAT'S TO YOU SUPERINTENDENT THAT THE ABSOLUTE DEPTHS I MEAN OBVIOUSLY AND I'M TELLING YOU SOMETHING YOU KNOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CANNOT ABOLISH RESIDENCY THAT'S UP TO THIS BODY AND THE MAYOR I AND I DON'T PARTICULARLY HAVE A POSITION ON WHETHER OR NOT WE SHOULD WE SHOULD DO SO. I THINK IT REQUIRES A LOT GREATER DISCUSSION. I THINK IT'S A MUCH LARGER DISCUSSION THAN JUST THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.  CERTAINLY FIRE DEPARTMENT AND OTHER AGENCIES HAVE THEIR OWN RECRUITING CHALLENGES AND I DON'T WANT TO PUSH THE BALL BACK BUT IT'S CERTAINLY NO I UNDERSTAND QUESTION NO, I UNDERSTAND AND I RISK I RESPECT I RESPECT YOUR POSITION. I DO KNOW THAT 911 OPERATE AS WE DID DO SOME WORK ON RESIDENCY TO ENSURE THAT THEY COULD WAIVE RESIDENCY IN CERTAIN CERTAIN TIMES TODAY IS ALSO TODAY IS ALSO NATIONAL POLICE WOMAN DAY ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND I THINK POLICE ARE MENTIONED THE 3030 PROGRAM THAT WE HAVE OUTSTANDING PROGRAM SOMETHING I SUPPORT I JUST WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE INCREDIBLE DEDICATION THAT OUR WOMAN POLICE OFFICERS PLAY IN OUR CITY. THEY DO AN EXCEPTIONAL JOB.  LET ME LET ME ASK ONE ONE FINAL QUESTION.  THE LOW STAFFING LEVEL WE HAVE CERTAINLY THE POPULAR NOTION OF BOSTON CONTINUES TO GROW THE MANDATE THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE 2500 POLICE OFFICERS IN THE CITY IS THAT A REQUIREMENT? IS A MANDATE? IS IT A RECOMMENDATION OR IS IT OR IS IT JUST SOMETHING WE CAN IGNORE AND PRETEND IT'S NOT EVEN WRITTEN DOWN AND JUST KIND OF MOVE ON OR SHOULD WE TAKE IT SERIOUS SO POLICE DEPARTMENT ALWAYS STRIVES TO MEET ITS OBLIGATIONS UNDER CITY LAW THAT CERTAINLY WE HAVE WE HAVE BEEN UNABLE TO MEET OUR ALREADY BUDGETED RECRUITMENT GOALS. I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS BODY HAS EVER BUDGETED ON IT ACTUALLY BUDGETED FOR 2500. YOU KNOW IT AND IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING FOR THIS BODY TO CONSIDER IN ITS OWN DELIBERATIONS WHETHER OR NOT IT PLACES MANDATE ON CITY AGENCIES WITHOUT IN FACT PROVIDING THE FUNDING TO MEET THOSE MANDATES. I'M JUST I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S EVER HAPPENED AND BUT I'M BEING GOING TO BE VERY HONEST THAT EVEN WITH THE FUNDING FOR 2500 THAT IF YOU PUT IT IN THAT WAY 26 I WOULD NOT HAVE ANY CONFIDENCE IN MEETING THAT GOAL NEXT YEAR OR THE YEAR AFTER THAT.  NO, I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU SUPERINTENDENT . I APPRECIATE IT. I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK ANY LONGER IF I'M OVER MY TIME, MR CHAIR. RIGHT ON TIME. OKAY.  THANK YOU, MR CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU TO THE PANEL. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR . PRESIDENT LOUIJEUNE OFFERS YOU IS THANK YOU, MR CHAIR AND THANK YOU TO THE PANEL FOR YOUR INSIGHTFUL COMMENTS. I REALLY, REALLY ENCOURAGE TO HEAR DEPUTY SUPERINTENDENT HUMPHRIES LIKE WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT OPEN STREETS BECAUSE I REMEMBER BEING AT THE FIRST JP OPEN STREETS AND GRATEFUL FOR THE POLICE PRESENCE THAT WAS THERE BUT I WAS WONDERING LIKE IS IT AN EVENT THAT MERITED THE NUMBER OF POLICE OFFICERS THAT WERE THERE AND IT IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ALL WENT BACK TO THE DRAWING TABLE AND SAID OKAY,  MAYBE IT'S ANOTHER CONFIGURATION THAT WORKS FOR OPEN STREETS IN JP AND AS WE CONTINUE TO HAVE EVENTS I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE A GREAT MODEL HAVE YOU ALSO THOUGHT ABOUT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO BREAK THOSE EVENTS INTO MINIMUM STAFFING REQUIREMENTS SO THE YOU KNOW EVERY EVENT IS DIFFERENT AND WHAT HAPPENS IS SOMETIMES THE EVENT REQUIRES A NUMBER OF OFFICERS THAT IS BEYOND THE ABILITY THAT ONE DISTRICT TO STAFF IT. SO WE HAVE THE OFFICERS THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR 911 RESPONSE IN THE DAILY OPERATIONS OF PROVIDING POLICE SERVICES AND THEN YOU HAVE AN EVENT THAT OVERLAPS ON THE DISTRICT IN SOME OF THESE EVENTS OR EVEN THE OPEN STREETS WHEN WE CUT IT BACK I THINK IT WAS LIKE 20 SOMETHING OFFICERS WELL THERE ARE 21 OFFICERS SHOWING UP FOR THE DAY SHIFT AT IT'S THAN EVEN THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS THAT ARE GOING OUT ON THE STREET FOR THAT DISTRICT . SO YOU KNOW, I THINK THE ONLY WAY THAT WE COULD I MEAN THERE COULD BE A CONVERSATION ABOUT LOOKING AT BUDGETING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR, YOU KNOW, THE PAYMENT OF THE BUT IT'S BEYOND THE ABILITY TO STAFF THAT BY THE OFFICERS ON THE DISTRICT ALONE. SO THERE'S REALLY TWO WAYS THAT YOU CAN DO THAT. WE DO THIS AS IT RELATES TO SOME THINGS LIKE PROTEST RESPONSE SOMETIMES WE'LL GET A PROTEST THAT WE FIND OUT ABOUT THE LAST MINUTE. I THINK THERE WAS ONE TODAY THAT WE FOUND OUT AT 930 AND IT WAS ON FOR 12 AND WE HAVE VERY LIMITED ABILITIES TO BRING ADDITIONAL RESOURCES ON BOARD AT THAT POINT JUST BECAUSE OF THE HIRING CYCLE AND THE SHIFT CHANGES AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF. SO WHAT WE DO SOMETIMES WE BRING PEOPLE IN FROM OTHER DISTRICTS SO YOU KNOW A COUPLE OF MY OTHER BULLET POINTS ON WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO REDUCE COST AND I CAN TELL YOU WE DO THIS FOR SOME SPECIAL EVENTS ROAD RACES FOR INSTANCE SOMETIMES ROAD RACES START SUPER IN THE MORNING AND IT'S A CHALLENGE FOR US BECAUSE IT OVERLAPS THE SHIFT CHANGE.  SO WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING MIDNIGHTS AND THEN THE ROAD RACE IS GOING TO START IN HERE SOMEWHERE AND THEN WE HAVE PEOPLE WORKING ANOTHER SHIFT.  SO WHAT WE'LL ACTUALLY DO IS WE'LL BRING IN ON DUTY PERSONNEL FROM OTHER DISTRICTS OUTSIDE THE CITY OVER ON TO THE LOCATION WHERE THE ROAD RACE IS. THEY PERFORM A TRAFFIC FUNCTION RIGHT? THEY BLOCK A STREET OR WHATEVER AND ROAD RACES AREN'T SUPER LONG DURATION. SO WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE PULL IN AN OFFICER, THEY BLOCK A STREET, THE ROAD RACE GOES BY AND THEN WHOEVER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT ZONE AT SOME POINT CAN RELEASE THEM.  THERE IS ZERO OVERTIME EXPENDITURE FOR THAT SO WE INCORPORATE THAT IN SOME OF OUR PLANS AS WELL. HOW CAN WE KIND OF LOOK BEYOND THIS DISTRICT WHERE SOMETIMES YOU CAN JUST HIRE ADDITIONAL OVERTIME TO FILL THAT OR CAN WE BRING SOMEBODY ELSE IN BRIEFLY TO PERFORM THAT FUNCTION AND THEN WE RELEASE THEM AND THERE'S NO EXPENDITURE AT ALL AND WE DON'T HAVE TO ORDER AN OFFICER ON THEIR DAY OFF TO COME IN TO DO THAT. THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THE OPPORTUNITY COST INVOLVED COUNCIL GO AHEAD. WE ARE BRINGING IN THAT OFFICER FROM T4 FOR EXAMPLE IT'S A ROAD RACE DOWNTOWN AND WE'RE PULLING ONE OFFICER FROM EVERY DISTRICT IN THE CITY. BUT FOR THAT HOUR AND A HALF THAT OFFICER IS NOT IN WEST ROXBURY.  HE'S NOT IN DORCHESTER. WE'RE NOT RESPONDING TO 911 CALLS. THEY'RE NOT ON THE PHONE CALLS OR PROVIDING VISIBILITY THERE. SO SO YES, WE CAN USE ON DUTY PEOPLE WE STRIVE TO DO THAT. IT'S NOT ZERO COST BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT AT LEAST I COULD YOU SPEAK A LITTLE BIT MORE TO THE MINIMUMS I SAID IN THE BEGINNING WHAT I CARED ABOUT WAS UNDERSTANDING THE MINIMUM STAFFING LEVELS LIKE WHILE LIKE HOW THOSE ARE CREATED AND WHEN WE'RE LIKE WHEN DO WE TINKER WITH THOSE? I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND THAT A BIT BETTER. I CONSULT WITH ALL DUE RESPECT I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE BETTER COMING FROM EITHER A DEPUTY HUMPHRIES OR A SUPERINTENDENT CALLED.  THEY CAN SPEAK BETTER TO THE MINIMUM STAFFING LEVELS THAN I COULD CATCH COLOR HUMPHRIES I MEAN HOW WERE THEY ARRIVED? YES. YES.  AND WHAT IS IS THERE A FORMULA LIKE HOW DO HOW ARE THOSE DECISIONS MADE ARE AS A MINIMUM STAFFING LEVEL WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS IT IS IT IS IT ARTIFICIALLY LOW DID DOES IT NEED TO BE HIGHER OR IS IT LIKE I JUST I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I MINIMUM STAFFING LEVELS ARE.  I THINK FIRST IT NEEDS TO BE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU WHEN YOU'RE TAKING YOU'RE DERIVING MINIMUM STAFFING LEVELS STARTING WITH WHAT'S ACTUALLY AVAILABLE. RIGHT. IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT I'M JUST A LITTLE QUICK MATH HERE SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND YOU'VE GOT 100 OFFICERS. YEAH, I WANT 101 WHATEVER IT IS ONE THIRD OF THEM ARE IMMEDIATELY ON A DIFFERENT SHIFT. THOSE THREE SHIFTS YOU'RE DOWN TO 33. IT'S TRUE.  THIRD, YOU'RE IN THREE SQUADS. PEOPLE GET DAYS OFF.  TWO THIRDS OF THAT 33 ARE NOW IMMEDIATELY ON A DAY OFF.  YOU'RE DOWN TO 22 OFFICERS. IF WE HAVE A 10% ON VACATION AND 10% ON OTHER SORTS OF LEAVE ,YOU KNOW YOU'RE NOW DOWN TO THE 17 RANGE YOU ARE THEN TAKING THAT 17 PEOPLE AND ALLOCATING THEM AS BEST YOU CAN BASED ON CALL VOLUME, COMMUNITY DEMAND AND SPECIAL EVENTS. SO YOU KNOW, I'M MAKING UP NUMBERS JUST FOR THAT.  THE MATH WORKS HERE OF COURSE, BUT YOU NOW HAVE TO COVER AND I'M GOING TO USE COUNCIL OF WEAPONS DISTRICT DISTRICT FIVE. YOU KNOW YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT GEOGRAPHICALLY IN A LARGER PLACE LIKE THAT THAT YOUR OFFICERS ARE DISTRIBUTED SORT OF WIDELY.  YOU DON'T WANT THEM ALL ON ONE END. THOSE GEOGRAPHIC FACTORS THERE'S CALL VOLUME FACTORS YOU KNOW, LARGE SCALE ROAD MAY HAVE MORE RADIO CALLS THAN WELL STREET AND SO MAYBE YOU HAVE HEAVIER STAFFING THERE. SUPERINTENDENT , CAN I JUST WANT TO I APPRECIATE THAT ANSWER I AM HOPING LIKE AND I APPRECIATE THE HYPOTHETICAL THE SCENARIO OF USING BUT I WOULD LOVE IF WE COULD DO THE CHAIRS GET THOSE MINIMUM STAFFING LEVELS BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE NUMBERS BEHIND THE DECISIONS BEING MADE FOR EVERY DISTRICT. I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR THIS COUNCIL . WE HAVE A NUMBER OF NEW COUNSELORS SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING WITH AND WHAT THE MINIMUM STAFFING LEVELS ARE.  AND JUST FOR MY FOR MY CLARIFICATION, THE SPECIAL UNITS THAT WE HAVE, THEY ARE NOT PART OF THE CALCULUS OF MINIMUM STAFFING LEVELS BUT THEY SOMETIMES HELP OUT AT CERTAIN DISTRICTS. IS THAT IS THAT CORRECT? OR THEY CAN BE CALLED ON TO EYEBALLS ARE IN DISTRICTS THEY'RE NOT PART OF THE DISTRICT MINIMUM STAFFING LEVELS.  HOWEVER THEY MAY HAVE THEIR OWN INTERNAL MINIMUM STAFFING LEVELS FOR EXAMPLE WITHIN THE SPECIAL WITHIN THE SPECIAL WITHIN THE SPECIAL UNIT YOU KNOW THE BOMB SQUAD MADE UP A MINIMUM STAFFING LEVEL. THOSE ARE WHAT MAY HAVE A MINIMUM STAFFING LEVEL.  EACH OF THOSE HAVE THEIR OWN AT LEAST SOME OF THEM DO NOT ALL.  OKAY. THANK YOU. MS.. MS.. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE CLOCK? OH, YES. WE'LL USE IT NEXT.  OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THAT WAS YOUR TIME COUNCIL PRIVATE. OKAY, SO THAT SECOND ROUND. OKAY. ARE MY QUESTIONS. SO TO THE CHAIRS IF WE COULD GET THOSE MINIMUM MINIMUM STAFFING LEVELS FOR THE DISTRICT. YEAH, AND I DON'T KNOW THERE'S SOME THAT WE'VE HAD BEFORE IN THE PAST.  NO, THAT WE'VE HAD QUESTIONS ABOUT IT AND SO OURS ARE THE QUESTIONS AWESOME AND THE MINIMUM STAFFING LEVEL HOW DO WE COME UP WITH MINIMUM STAFFING LEVELS FOR EACH DISTRICT LIKE WHAT'S THE FORMULA?  HOW DO WE DECIDE IS IT A POPULATION? IS IT A THE AMOUNT OF 911 CALLS IS IT THE DATA AROUND CRIME?  LIKE HOW DO WE DETERMINE MINIMUM STAFFING LEVELS FOR EACH DISTRICT?  SO IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN THEY ORIGINALLY DESIGNED WAS BASED ON POPULATION AND SIZE AND SO YOU BASICALLY EVERY DISTRICT IS BROKEN DOWN INTO SMALLER AREAS AND THEN IT'S BASICALLY LIKE SO IF YOU LOOK AT P THREE NORTH DORCHESTER MATTAPAN BASICALLY HALF THE DISTRICT IS BROKEN IN HALF THIS SIDE GETS A TWO OFFICER RAPID RESPONSE CALL SO THEY CAN IMMEDIATE CAR SO THEY CAN IMMEDIATELY RESPOND TO ANY IN-PROGRESS CRIMES IMMEDIATELY TWO POLICE OFFICERS THEN ON THIS SIDE THERE'S ANOTHER ONE SO THERE'S ONE OVER HERE AND THERE'S ONE OVER HERE AND THEN WITHIN THAT GEOGRAPHICAL AREA IT'S BROKEN DOWN INTO SERVICE SECTORS SO YOU HAVE NON IN-PROGRESS CRIMES WHERE A POLICE OFFICER IS CALLED TO THAT WOULD BE A SINGLE OFFICER UNIT AND WITHIN THAT SERVICE SECTOR YOU WOULD GET ONE OF THOSE.  SO DEPENDING ON THE POPULATION SIZE THAT GEOGRAPHICAL AREA COULD BE A SINGLE TWO OFFICER RAPID RESPONSE CAR FOR IN-PROGRESS EMERGENCY CALLS AND THEN IT COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM 1 TO 3 SOMETIMES FOUR SINGLE OFFICER SECTORS BASED ON THE SIDE SIZE AND THEN IT GETS DISSECTED EVEN MORE INTO WHAT WOULD BE THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF SERVICE UNITS THAT YOU COULD PUT OUT. SO YOU MIGHT HAVE THREE SERVICE SECTORS IN THAT AREA BUT THEY MAY SAY YOU'RE REQUIRED TO JUST AT MINIMUM HAVE ONE. IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL OFFICERS YOU CAN PUT TWO BUT THERE MIGHT JUST BE ONE. SO IN SOME CASES YOU COULD HAVE ON WHAT WE CALL OUR BAD OUR DEPLOYMENT SHEET YOU COULD HAVE 3 TO 6 SERVICE UNITS IN A RAPID RESPONSE AREA AND ONLY HAVE A SINGLE ONE OFFICER UNIT AND HAVE ALL THOSE OTHER SPOTS BLANK OH THERE'S NOT THE OTHER PIECE OF IT IS ASIDE FROM THE MATHEMATICAL POPULATION CALL VOLUME THERE'S QUITE FRANKLY COMMUNITY REQUESTS, RIGHT? PEOPLE WANT TO SEE A WALKING BEAT IN DOWNTOWN CROSSING. WE LOOK AT THAT YES, WE'RE CONSIDERING CALL VOLUME BUT I MEAN ULTIMATELY WE'RE IN THE BUSINESS OF MAKING PEOPLE FEEL SAFE AND THAT'S NOT JUST THE STATS. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOBODY'S GOING TO HUG THE HOMICIDE STATISTICS, RIGHT? THAT'S THAT'S NOT WHAT MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD. BUT FOR MATTAPAN SQUARE, THE 616 MATTAPAN SQUARE IS CONSIDERED MINIMUM MINIMUM TO BE THREE. OKAY. SO THERE'S ALWAYS TO BE A WALK BEAT ASSIGNED TO MATTAPAN SQUARE AND THAT'S A THAT'S A UNIQUE DISTRICT COMMUNITY NEEDS BASED DIRECTIVE FROM THE CAPTAIN AND I SPENT LIKE I LEFT THERE IN 2010 AND IT'S BEEN LIKE THAT THAT I WAS THERE IN 1992 AND IT WAS THERE AND AS YOU ARE AWARE WE ARE PUSHING FOR THOSE WALKING BEATS IN THE DISTRICT. YES, IN OUR BUSINESS DISTRICTS. WELL I'LL GO TO COUNCILOR MURPHY COUNCILMAN , IF YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. THANK YOU.  THANK YOU FOR THE BREAKDOWN. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA YOU TALKED ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE'RE STILL THREE AND A HALF MONTHS OUT TILL THE END OF THE YEAR AND WE'RE DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF SPECIAL EVENTS ACROSS THE CITY?  HAVE YOU BEEN TOLD WHY THERE'S SO MANY MORE THIS YEAR THAN IN THE PAST?  THAT NUMBER JUST STUCK OUT TO ME THAT WE'RE ALREADY YEAH, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER MA'AM.  YOU KNOW, I YOU KNOW I HAVE MY OWN THOUGHTS ON IT. I THINK WE'RE STILL COMING OUT OF COVID AND PEOPLE ARE COMING OUT PRE-PANDEMIC LEVELS MAYBE.  YEAH, I THINK SO. WE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ENJOYS BEING A PART OF THESE EVENTS SO I'M NOT I'M NOT NO, NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT. YEAH. YEAH, BUT WE'RE TRYING TO FIND THE GOLDILOCKS ZONE OF STAFFING AND YOU KNOW DEPLOYMENT BUT THESE EVENTS YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES IT'S A PARADE FOR YOU KNOW TEAM OR IT'S A SCHOOL CARNIVAL LIKE THEY'RE VERY THEY RANGE BUT THEY ARE IMPORTANT COMMUNITY EVENTS LIKE YOU SAID SO WE DO HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THOUGH IF WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE WHEN WE USED TO HAVE AROUND 250 A YEAR AND WE COULD BE UP OVER 500 EVERY YEAR THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT ALSO OUR PLANNING GOING FORWARD OF MINIMUM STAFFING AND WHEN YOU HAVE TO PULL PEOPLE TO SO JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE I KNOW THAT THE PULLING FROM SPECIALIZED UNIT ISN'T NEW DIDN'T START LIKE LAST YEAR. I KNOW THIS CONVERSATION HAD HAPPENED IN THE PAST WITH COMMISSIONER COX DECIDING BECAUSE OF THE LOW STAFFING LEVEL WHERE WE'RE UNDERSTAFFED ACROSS THE WHOLE DEPARTMENT I'M GOING TO ASSUME EACH SPECIALIZED UNIT IS ALSO NOT AT FULL CAPACITY. IS THAT TRUE? SO WHEN WE PULL LIKE WHAT REPERCUSSIONS HAS THAT HAVE WE SEEN? THEY'RE LIKE IF WE'RE PULLING FROM THE BIKE UNIT TO JUST HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE IN THAT CAR BEING ABLE TO RESPOND IN THE DISTRICT AND THE AREA YOU JUST MENTIONED THAT MEANS WE WE ARE DOWN ON PEOPLE ON BIKES AND IT HAS A RIPPLE EFFECT. SURE. AND I THINK THE COMMISSIONER IT HAS TO MAKE SOME VERY DIFFICULT DECISIONS.  WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP THESE SPECIALIZED UNITS THAT PROVIDE TREMENDOUS BENEFIT. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE LIKE YOU SAID, THE MOUNTAIN BIKE. YOU KNOW, WE LOVE THE MOUNTAIN BIKES. I LOVE THE MOUNTAIN BIKES. I USE THEM FOREVER THAT YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THEY THEY'RE LIKE A JACK OF ALL TRADES.  WE HAVE CRIME SCENE RESPONSE UNITS. WE HAVE YOUTH VIOLENCE STRIKE FORCE. WE HAVE DRUG CONTROL UNITS THAT ARE ALL CONTRIBUTING TO THE MISSION OF THE DEPARTMENT.  BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE SOME TOUGH CHOICES RIGHT NOW. DO WE BORROW FROM THESE UNITS TO HELP BECAUSE ONE THING'S GOING TO HAPPEN TOMORROW AND WE GOING TO SAY IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN EVERY DAY. SOMEONE'S GOING TO CALL 911 AND WE'RE GOING TO RESPOND. THAT'S OUR PRIMARY FUNCTION.  WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT GOING. THAT'S THE PROMISE WE'VE MADE TO THE PUBLIC. SO WE HAVE TO PULL PEOPLE TO GET THAT DONE. BUT AT THE SAME TIME THE MEN AND WOMEN ARE BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN THESE SPECIALIZED UNITS ARE ALSO ROWING IN THE SAME DIRECTION AS US AND THEY'RE DOING THE MISSION OF THE DEPARTMENT AND THEIR VALUABLE UNITS. SO IN ORDER TO KEEP THOSE UNITS CONTRIBUTING TO THE MISSION AND THOSE SPECIALIZED UNITS, THE SPECIALTY THAT THEY PROVIDE, WE HAVE TO BORROW FROM THEM EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE AND IT'S A SHARED BIRD LIKE I'M NOT YOU'RE RIGHT THERE IS A COST TO THAT. BUT IN ORDER TO KEEP THE MISSION GOING YET THE NINE ONE RESPONSE AND ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS TOO IS YOU KNOW LIKE WITH THE STAFFING LEVELS AND THE COMMENTS ABOUT WHAT THE NEWSPAPERS SAY AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, THE COMMISSIONER TAKES IT SERIOUSLY. YES, WE'RE A SAFE CITY BUT WHEN WE HAVE PEOPLE TELL US WE'RE AFRAID WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT AND WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE CURRENTLY TALKING ABOUT THAT INTERNALLY. HOW DO WE EVEN WITH THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW INCREASE VISIBILITY IN THE DISTRICTS, BUILD TRUST WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT WILL AFFECT SO MANY THINGS THAT WE DO TO INCLUDE RECRUITMENT AND THESE ARE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'RE HAVING RIGHT NOW IN FIELD SERVICES IN SPITE OF THE PERSONNEL ISSUES THAT WE HAVE, HOW DO WE GET MEN AND WOMEN OUT IN THE STREET INTERACTING WITH PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC AND STUFF LIKE THAT? AND ONE OF THE WAYS TO DO IT IS I'M SORRY , I KNOW BUT WHEN YOU MENTIONED LIKE OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO RESPOND TO 911 CALLS AND IT'S BEEN SAID HERE BEFORE FROM THE COMMISSIONER HIMSELF THAT PROMOTIONS HAVE NOT HAPPENED. ALSO PROMOTIONS HAVE TO GO ON HOLD OR YOU MAY HAVE WE MAY HAVE THE ABILITY TO SAY, YOU KNOW, PROMOTE TEN MORE SERGEANTS OR A FEW MORE LIEUTENANTS BUT BECAUSE THERE THERE'S SO MUCH STAFFING SHORTAGES ON THE PATROLMEN SIDE THAT WE'RE NOT WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE THEM. SO COULD YOU SPEAK TO THAT AT ALL WHAT THOSE NUMBERS LOOK LIKE WHERE OFFICERS ARE NOT BEING ALLOWED TO GET THEIR PROMOTION IN A TIMELY MANNER BECAUSE THE THE RISK OF LOSING THEM ON THE PATROL SIDE WOULD BE AS FAR AS DISTRICTS WHERE WE I THINK OUR STAFF'S AT 100% FOR SERGEANTS AND I THINK WE CURRENTLY HAVE ONE LIEUTENANT VACANCY THAT'S FOR THE AIR FORCE DISTRICTS.  SO WE'RE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE RIGHT NOW FOR THE FRONT LINE SUPERVISORS. I DO KNOW LIKE THE BUREAU OF INVESTIGATIVE SERVICES WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME MORE DETECTIVES.  THAT'S A PROMOTION THAT'S A BIG STEP FORWARD FOR PEOPLE IN THEIR CAREERS. I THINK THAT CONVERSATIONS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW BUT AS FAR AS PROMOTION TO SERGEANT LIEUTENANT IN FIELD SERVICES, WE'RE IN A PRETTY GOOD PLACE RIGHT NOW.  OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.  WE'LL GO TO THE VICE CHAIR OF THE COMMITTEE ON WAYS AND MEANS VICE CHAIR PéPIN DISCLOSURES. THANK YOU MR CHAIR. AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. MY UM MY FIRST QUESTION IS ABOUT UNDERSTANDING OVER TIME A LITTLE BIT MORE IS THERE A DIFFERENT TYPES OF OVERTIME THAT OFFICERS GET LIKE ARE THEY BROKEN INTO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES THAT THAT YOU ALL CAN CAN PROVIDE THAT THEY GET THE CATEGORIES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE OUR EXTENDED TOURS, REPLACEMENT PERSONNEL, SPECIAL EVENTS, COURT OVERTIME ADDITIONAL TOURS AND IN SPECIAL EVENTS AND WITHIN THOSE CATEGORIES ARE WHAT WE CALL OVERTIME CALLS SO THAT WE CAN DRILL DOWN SPECIFICALLY OF LIKE WHAT'S WHAT'S THE COMPONENTS OF EXTENDED TOURS WHAT SO FOR EXAMPLE IF YOU DRILL DOWN ON EXTENDED TOURS RIGHT NOW YOU'LL SEE A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE IN DIRECTED PATROL COMING OUT OF BASE AS A RESULT OF WHAT HAPPENED LAST OCTOBER WITH THE HAMAS ATTACK ON ISRAEL. AS DEPUTY HUMPHREYS SAID, THEY ARE LOOKING TO REDUCE THAT THAT NUMBER BUT THAT WAS SO THERE ARE MANY CODES THAT ROLL UP SO THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY WHERE THE OVERTIME IS BEING SPENT BUT IT ROLLS UP INTO THOSE VARIOUS CATEGORIES AND OBVIOUSLY EVERY REPLACEMENT AND EXTENDED TOURS ARE THE BIGGEST DRIVERS OF OUR TOTAL COST. OKAY. AND THAT SOME I'M JUST IT'S I'M CURIOUS BECAUSE A SIMILAR TO THE FORMER REQUEST BY COUNCIL PRESIDENT LOUIJEUNE NOW TRYING TO SEE HOW MUCH HOW STAFFING LOOKS AT DIFFERENT DISTRICTS I WONDER HOW DIFFERENT OVERTIME LOOKS IN MY SPECIFIC DISTRICT OF BE 385 AND WHAT THEY'RE BEING USED FOR OR LIKE FOR EXAMPLE KUDOS TO THE 18 FOR DEALING WITH THE CLOSURE OF THE RIVER STREET BRIDGE IN HYDE PARK THAT'S CAUSING SOME MAJOR TRAFFIC CONCERNS AND THEY'RE OUT THERE EVERY MORNING AND EVERY AFTERNOON DURING THE RUSH HOURS BUT SOMETIMES I'VE ACTUALLY SEEN CADETS HELP OUT. SO I WONDER IF WE CAN USE MAYBE PART OF THE SOLUTION USE MORE CADETS TO HELP OUT WITH THOSE SITUATIONS.  TAKE AWAY THE BURNING AWAY FROM THE POLICE OFFICERS AT 18 JUST SEEMS LIKE I ALWAYS LIKE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT WE CAN WE CAN USE FOR THAT AND SHOUT OUT TO THE CADETS THAT I ALSO DID A GREAT JOB BUT JUST THINKING ABOUT POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS OF HOW WE CAN HELP WITH THAT. SO I'M JUST GOING TO DO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.  LOOK, WE LOVE THE IDEA WE OF THE SEVERAL HUNDRED CIVILIAN POSITIONS THAT WE HAVE OPEN A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF THOSE I DON'T RECALL THE EXACT NUMBER THAT ARE BUDGETED OUR CADET POSITION IS THAT WE'VE BEEN UNABLE TO FILL DUE TO THE SAME RECRUITING ISSUES THAT WE HAVE FOR POLICE OFFICERS. YOU KNOW, IT IS ULTIMATELY A SORT OF A GATEWAY FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO PROVIDE WHO WANT A CAREER IN LAW ENFORCEMENT,  GIVES THEM A CHANCE TO COME IN, HANG OUT WITH US AND GET SOME EXPERIENCE.  I WAS A CADET FOR FOUR YEARS FROM 1983 TO 1987. OKAY?  AND IN THE PAST WE HAVE USED THEM SIGNIFICANTLY FOR TRAFFIC THAT WAS IN FACT THEY HAD PERMANENT TRAFFIC ASSIGNMENTS RIGHT THIS MINUTE WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFFING LEVELS ON THE CADET SIDE TO DO THAT.  WE DO USE THEM FOR THINGS LIKE STAFFING THE FRONT DESK OF A POLICE STATION IN PLACE FOR THE SWORN OFFICER AND FOR VARIOUS ADMINISTRATIVE TASKS UH, YOU KNOW WE DON'T NEED A POLICE OFFICER TO DELIVER THE MAIL RIGHT?  WE'LL USE A CADET FOR THAT OR A CIVILIAN TO DO THAT. UM, THOSE ARE JOBS THAT WASH OUT THE TIME THEY WERE POLICE OFFICER JOBS. SO WE DO THAT WE ARE ADDRESSING IT AND TO YOUR POINT THE CADETS ARE A GREAT RESOURCE IF WE CAN GET MORE OF THEM AND IF I MAY COUNCILOR , I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 60 OPEN VACANCIES FOR CADETS OUT OF OUR EXISTING POPULATION. THE CLASS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE ON BOARD THIS LAST GRADUATING CLASS THAT GRADUATED LAST FRIDAY WE ONLY WERE ABLE TO GRADUATE 12 ALTHOUGH WE POSTED TO HAVE 60 OPEN VACANCIES APPROXIMATELY WITH THE AND THAT HAPPENED THE LAST CLASS AS WELL THAT THAT WE DIDN'T GET WHAT WE WERE HOPING FOR BECAUSE THEY ARE A GREAT RESOURCE TO THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT YEAH AND I CAN SEE THE SAME ISSUE WITH THE CROSSING GUARDS WHERE I WAS AT THE I WAS ON WASHINGTON STREET AT THE CROSSWALK FOR THE SUMMER SCHOOL AND THERE WAS THERE WAS AD5 POLICE OFFICER DIRECTING TRAFFIC WHERE THERE SHOULD BE A CROSSING GUARD.  SO I KNOW THAT WE ALSO HAVE I THINK ABOUT 50 VACANCIES FOR CROSSING GUARDS WHICH IS ONE OF THE HEARING ORDERS WE PUSH FORWARD.  SO I THINK THAT EVEN LOOKING AT THOSE VACANCIES AGAIN VERY THANKFUL FOR THE WORK THAT THAT OFFICER FOR ME FIVE WAS DOING BUT IT'S JUST I KNOW THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT HE SHOULDN'T BE DOING AT THAT TIME. IF THERE WERE MORE CROSSING GUARDS AS WELL. YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT, COUNSELOR.  AND THERE'S BOTH AN OPPORTUNITY COST AND AN OVERTIME COST THERE IN THE SENSE THAT THE OPPORTUNITY COST IF THIS CROSSING OCCURS DURING THE OFFICER'S REGULAR TOURS THERE'S NO CROSSING GUARD. WE ASSIGN AN ON DUTY POLICE OFFICER TO THAT IF THERE ARE HOWEVER, CROSSINGS THAT INTERSECT WITH OUR OWN SHIFT TIME.  SO FOR EXAMPLE AND I'LL JUST SPEAK I WAS AGAIN FROM MY EXPERIENCE AS THE CAPTAIN OF DISTRICT ONE WE WOULD HAVE A CROSSING AT KEENEY SQUARE FOR THE ELLIOTT SCHOOL WHERE IT WOULD BE WE WOULD BE PAYING A MIDNIGHT SHIFT OFFICER OFFICER TO STAY ONE HOUR EXTRA. THAT WOULD BE ONE OF YOUR EXTENDED TOURS IN ORDER TO COVER THAT SCHOOL CROSSING.  IT'S A TOUGH SPOT.  IT'S NOT A SPOT WE CAN LEAVE UNCOVERED FOR THOSE FAMILIAR WITH THE INTERSECTION OF THE NORTH WASHINGTON STREET BRIDGE, IT'S A MANDATORY WEEK OFF TO COVER IT AND SO WE DO IT AND THAT'S HOW WE DO IT. THE OFFICER COMING ON AT 730 YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO COVER AS SOON AS HE CAN BUT BECAUSE OF THE INTERSECTS WITH SHIFT CHANGE WE PAY ALL THE TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT SOMEBODY DOESN'T GET HIT JUST BECAUSE OH WE'VE GOT TO RUN SHIFT CHANGE THAT'S NOT AN ACCEPTABLE ANSWER.  THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, I'M ALWAYS TRYING TO CONTEMPLATE WAYS THAT WE CAN FIND SOLUTIONS TO THIS.  SO I JUST WANT TO CONTINUE TO BE PART OF THE CONVERSATION WORKING WITH MY COLLEAGUES AND WITH YOU ALL TO SEE HOW WE CAN ALL FIND A SOLUTION. BUT THAT'S IT FOR ME . THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ONE QUICK QUESTION ON MINIMUM STAFFING LEVELS IN OVERTIME AND EXTENDED TOURS IF IF A DISTRICT IS AT THE MINIMUM STAFF A LITTLE BIT LIKE THEY ARE FULFILLING THAT IS ANY ADDITIONAL OFFICER IF THEY'RE YOU KNOW NOT OVER THE 40 HOURS A DAY AND RIDING LIKE THE SPECIALIZED UNITS IF THEY WERE BROUGHT IN TO BE THREE UNDER ARE THEY PAID OVERTIME TO OVERTIME RATE OR IS THAT JUST REGULAR PAY FOR THOSE OFFICERS OF THE 22 HOUR OFFICERS LIKE LET'S SAY FOR INSTANCE YOU WORK AS A POLICE OFFICER SIGN HERE AT CITY HALL AND YOU WERE REASSIGNED TO A ONE AND YOU WORKED HERE DURING THE DAYTIME BUT THE NEED FOR YOU AT A-1 IS ON THE FOUR TO MIDNIGHT SHIFT WHEN YOU GO TO A ONE YOU ARE ASSIGNED TO THE FOUR TO MIDNIGHT SHIFT AND THAT IS YOUR REGULAR SHIFT, YOUR PAY, THE REGULAR RATE NO OVERTIME FOR THE PERFORMANCE OF YOUR DUTIES AND THAT'S REGARDLESS OF IF THAT DISTRICT IS AT MINIMUM STAFF LEVEL OR NOT. CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR FITZGERALD, THE FLOOR IS YOURS.  THANK YOU, CHAIR JUST PIGGYBACKING ON THAT LAST QUESTION IS IS THERE A SALARY DIFFERENCE WHEN YOU GET PUT OUT TO THOSE 20 TOURS ABOUT WHERE YOU'RE BEING PULLED FROM? IS IT AT THE CURRENT SALARY OR IS THAT WOULD THAT BE AT THE REGULATOR?  YEAH. SO SO A POLICE OFFICER SO LET'S SAY FOR INSTANCE YOU'RE A POLICE OFFICER WITH THIS NUMBER OF YEARS PER THE CONTRACT YOU GET PAID X NUMBER OF DOLLARS WHETHER YOU WORK HERE HERE HERE THERE ARE SPECIFIC UNITS THAT HAVE WHAT'S CALLED A SPECIALTY RATING.  OKAY? SO LIKE IF YOU'RE A LATENT PRINT EXAMINER AND YOU GET LIKE AN EXTRA EIGHT BUCKS A WEEK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT LIKE IT'S NOT OVER THE YOU KNOW, IF YOU RIDE A MOTORCYCLE YOU GET LIKE AN EXTRA TEN BUCKS A WEEK OR SOMETHING, RIGHT? AND THAT EVEN IF THERE WAS A DIFFERENCE. SO I THINK THAT'S UP TOWARDS OVER THAT'S NOT CONSIDERED OVERTIME THAT'S BEING PAID YOUR SALARY THE SAME HOURS THAT YOU'D BE WORKING JUST YOU'RE DOING DIFFERENT TO A DIFFERENT TOUR RIGHT. YEAH WELL I KNOW THERE'S TWO DOCKETS HERE ONE TO DISCUSS POLICE STAFFING LEVELS AND THE OTHER TWO BECAUSE THE INCREASE IN OVERTIME I SEE THIS BEING THE STAFFING LEVELS AS SORT OF AN EASY ANSWER SO I'D RATHER CONCENTRATE IT ON THE OVERTIME BECAUSE TO ME THE STAFFING LEVELS ARE BELOW WHAT WE NEED THEM TO BE AND SO IT SEEMS PRETTY SIMPLE THAT THE ANSWER IS YES WE NEED TO INCREASE THEM AND NOT JUST INCREASE ANYBODY THAT NEEDS IT JUST THE BODIES THAT NEED TO BE THERE BUT HOPEFULLY CANDIDATES THAT ARE PHYSICALLY, MORALLY AND MENTALLY FIT TO PROVIDE A YOU KNOW, A HIGH QUALITY PUBLIC SAFETY TO THE CITY.  BUT AS FOR THE QUESTIONS A COUPLE CLARIFYING OVERTIME CATEGORIES REPLACEMENT PERSONNEL IS WHEN IF SOMEBODY IS OUT AND THEY'RE ASKING YOU CAN YOU COVER MY SHIFT? YES. IS THAT CORRECT? AND EXTENDED TOURS MEANS YOU HAVE YOU WORKED THE FIRST SO YOU WORK THE DAY SHIFT BUT THEN YOU ALSO CAN YOU STAY ON FOR FIRST HALF WHEREAS I KNOW THERE'S A NUMBER IF YOU KNOW THERE'S A NUMBER OF CIRCUMSTANCES SO I'M WORKING A DAY SHIFT AT 3:00 I GET A RADIO CALL AND I HAVE TO ARREST THIS PERSON. IT TAKES YOU INTO ATTENTION WHEN I GO BEYOND MY SHIFT I CAN STAY FOR 10 MINUTES HALF AN HOUR. GOT TO BE THERE FOR HOURS TO PROCESS THAT PERSON.  ANOTHER CIRCUMSTANCE IS YOU KNOW, IN DFS OR SITTING IN THE OFFICE AND WE GET NOTIFICATION THAT AT 1:00 HEY AT 3:00 THERE'S GOING TO BE A PROTEST RALLY DEMONSTRATION AND WE HAVE TO HOLD THE DETOUR CITYWIDE TO MUSTER THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF PEOPLE. RIGHT. ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE BEING HELD ON AN EXTENDED TOUR I JUST RELEASED.  THANK YOU VERY MUCH BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT THE YOU KNOW,  THE STAFFING LEVELS, IT SEEMS REPLACEMENT PERSONNEL IS THE BIGGEST NUMBER HERE, THE LARGEST INCREASE OVER TIME. AND SO IT'S SORT OF IT MAKES SENSE TO ME THAT WELL THAT'S BECAUSE THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH FOLKS AND THEN OF COURSE THERE'S OTHER YOU KNOW, MATERNITY LEAVE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. PEOPLE WHERE YOU HAVE TO START TO FILL IN THESE SHIFTS THAT COVID AND OTHER THINGS PEOPLE ARE GETTING SICK. AND SO AGAIN IT GOES BACK TO THE NEED FOR INCREASING THE STAFFING LEVELS BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE THE BIGGEST DRIVER OF THE OVERTIME. IS THAT CORRECT IN SAYING IT WAS ALWAYS WAS IT WE'VE SEEN IT WE HAVE SEEN A DECLINE. YEAH AND THAT WOULD BE DIRECTLY ATTRIBUTED TO ONE GETTING OFFICERS BACK TO WORK OFF OF 111 F THAT WERE OUT ON OUR INJURED HIP ALSO SUPERINTENDENT CHOLO HAS WORKED WITH THE DIRECTOR OF OCCUPATIONAL HEALTH VERY EXTENSIVELY TO GET ALL RIGHT YOU'RE NOT FULLY RECOVERED BUT MAYBE YOU CAN COME BACK AND DO SOME MODIFIED DUTY SO ALTHOUGH YOU KNOW WE'RE BRINGING YOU BACK OR ONLY BRING YOU BACK BY MODIFY DUTY YOU HAVE RESTRICTIONS. YOU CAN ONLY LIFT A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF YOU CAN'T SIT OR STAND FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME BUT YOU'RE FILLING HOLES IN DISTRICTS THAT ARE NORMALLY FILLED WITH OFFICERS WHO AREN'T THERE AND PUTTING THEM THERE WITHOUT REPLACING THEM ON OVERTIME.  SO WE ARE SEEING A DECLINE BECAUSE THAT USED TO ALWAYS BE THE HEAVIEST WEIGHTED OF ALL THE CATEGORIES AND IT IS GOING DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY AS A RESULT JUST LIKE I POINTED OUT EARLIER THAT AROUND COVID WE WERE ABOUT 300 OUT ON MY.  WE'RE RIGHT NOW AT 104. YEAH, IT'S GREAT. IT'S GREAT TO SEE THAT TREND AND HOPEFULLY I CAN CONTINUE.  JUST AN OVERARCHING QUESTION COULD BE ANYBODY HOW WOULD REACHING THE 2500 ACTIVE OFFICERS IMPACT OVERTIME SPENDING?  AND I APPRECIATE THE UNDERSTANDING TO THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT COUNCIL WHERE ELSE POINT IS LIKE HOW DO WE REACH THAT NUMBER OF WHAT ARE THE MINIMUMS BUT THE MINIMUM WE HAVE IS 2500. HOW WOULD REACHING THAT HELP IMPACT OUR OVERTIME SPENDING? I MEAN SO I THINK THERE'S A COUPLE OF SCENARIOS, RIGHT? ONE OF THEM IS DO WE STICK WITH OUR CURRENT MINIMUM STAFFING NUMBERS?  IF WE STICK WITH OUR CURRENT MINIMUM STAFFING NUMBERS THEN THE EXPECTED WOULD BE THAT THINGS LIKE REPLACEMENT OVERTIME WOULD GO DOWN BECAUSE WE WOULD CONSISTENTLY HAVE MORE THAN THE MINIMUM NUMBER WE HAVE THE REALITY IS AH I THINK THAT WE RESPOND TO REQUESTS WHERE IF ALL OF A SUDDEN IF WE INCREASE MINIMUM STAFFING LEVELS ALONG WITH THE TOTAL STAFFING LEVEL THEN I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK IT DOES.  WE THE OTHER THING TO REMEMBER IS WHAT TIME WHICH IS A SIGNIFICANT CHUNK OF OUR SPENDING I THINK 6% INCREASE IN STAFFING LEVELS WILL INCREASE COURT SPENDING. EVERY SINGLE POLICE OFFICER WHO GOES OUT ON THE STREET AND TAKES AN ENFORCEMENT ACTION SOME PORTION OF THOSE ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS ARE GOING TO END UP IN A COURT PROCEEDING AND IF THAT COURT PROCEEDING TAKES PLACE OUTSIDE IS REGULATORY DUTY YEAH, THAT IS SO WE COULD WE COULD OFFSET THEIR THAT WHERE REPLACEMENT PERSONNEL NUMBER MIGHT GO DOWN BUT THE COURT CODE ONLY NUMBER MIGHT GO UP THAT THAT THAT'S THAT WOULD BE OKAY THE SAME GOES FOR EXTENDED TOURS IF THERE'S MORE OFFICERS ON THE STREET TAKING ENFORCEMENT ACTION, A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THOSE ARE GOING TO TAKE PLACE AT THE VERY END OF THE A SHIFT AND IT'S GOING TO RUN OVER RIGHT.  SO WHAT ARE THE BIGGEST EVENTS REQUIRING OVERTIME BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT THAT'S A NUMBER THAT IS GROWN BY ABOUT 33%. I'VE SEEN OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS. WHAT ARE THE BIGGEST ONES THAT WE FACE THAT YOU SEE THAT EAT UP THE MOST OF THAT I WOULD ASSUME MARATHON SO THE BIG ONES ARE THE FULL ARRAY AND ALL OUT SO YOU HAVE MARATHON CARIBBEAN FESTIVAL THE PARADE WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF LARGE PROTESTS WHEN THE PRESIDENT COMES THAT COULD GO EITHER WAY SO THE LAST TIME HE CAME IT WAS FULL COURT CALL OUT BECAUSE THERE WAS DEMONSTRATIONS AND RALLIES.  THOSE ARE KIND OF THE BIG ONES THEN IT'S KIND OF STEPS DOWN. YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD EVENTS, CULTURAL FESTIVALS THAT ARE MULTIDAY PUERTO RICAN FESTIVAL DEER FESTIVAL, THINGS LIKE THAT.  WE ALSO DO WEEKEND COVERAGE AROUND CERTAIN EVENTS LIKE CARIBBEAN FESTIVALS. ST PATRICK'S DAY, YOU KNOW, HAS ADDITIONAL SUPPLEMENTAL PATROLS. SO IF I COULD JUST CAUSE I KNOW I GET TIME DO WE KNOW WHAT THE SORT OF THE PERCENTAGE OF PROPORTION OF LIKE THE OVERTIME THAT'S ON DAY TO DAY OPERATIONS VERSUS EVENTS RIGHT. IS THERE ANY DO WE HAVE THEM DAY TO DAY OVERTIME EXPENDITURES WOULD BE LIKE YOUR REPLACEMENT OF DURING THE VACATION PERIOD YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF OFFICERS THAT ARE OFF ON VACATION. WE PUT THEM ON SCHEDULES TO SPREAD IT OUT THAT DOES CREATE VACANCIES IN THE DISTRICT AND THEN WHEN WE HAVE INITIATIVES LIKE MAP MAPS AND CASH DEPLOYMENTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT WOULD BE A DAY IN AND DAY OUT. IT'S ROUGHLY 80% OF OUR TOTAL COST MASS AND CASH IS CODED UNDER A SPECIAL EVENT SO WE CAN CAPTURE THAT COST FROM JUST ONE SO THAT THAT 18% 66% OF THAT REPRESENTS EFFORTS IN GOING INTO THE MASS ACCOUNTS. SO 80% OF THE DAY TO DAY IS TO CONSIDER A LARGE EVENT OF THAT CATEGORY CALLED SPECIAL EVENT OUT OF OUR TOTAL COST THAT'S 18% OF OUR TOTAL COST OF THAT 18% 66% OF THAT REPRESENTS MASS AND CASTS I THINK FOR FISCAL YEAR 24 IT WAS APPROXIMATELY $10 MILLION OF OUR SPECIAL EVENT COST GOING TO THE EFFORTS TO FOR MASS AND CASH RIGHT THANK YOU FAMILIAR WITH THAT AS IT'S IN DISTRICT THREE AS WELL SO I CAN BE SENSITIVE TO THOSE NEEDS IF WE HAD A BIGGER FACILITY TO HOST THE POLICE ACADEMY RECRUITS GOING BACK TO STAFFING AND SORT OF TALK ABOUT THIS WOULD BE ABLE TO BE HIGHER MORE IF THERE IS MORE TO IT AS THERE IS A LARGER CLASS TO INTAKE AND PHYSICALLY TEACH AND PULL OFF THE LIST IF THERE ARE THOSE QUOTE GOOD QUALITY CANDIDATES THAT WE WOULD LOVE TO IT WOULD. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE LAST TWO OR THREE CLASSES WE DIDN'T GET THE CLASS CAPACITY THAT WE WANTED TO AND WE WE DRAINED THE ENTIRE CIVIL SERVICE LIST BOTH ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE AND THE NON RESIDENTIAL SIDE. I BELIEVE LIKE THE LAST CLASS THAT THE CIVIL SERVICE WAS COMPOSED OF 1800 WE GOT 134 IN THAT CLASS. YEAH.  THANK YOU.  I'LL BE GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH COUNCILOR . I'LL WAIT FOR THE SECOND ROUND TO THAT MY OTHER QUESTIONS THANK YOU AND I KNOW WE'VE BEEN TALKING TO BPD. I DO HAVE A BUDGET QUESTION JIM COUNCILOR WEBER AND CENTER STAFF MADE A GREAT PRESENTATION AND ONE OF THE PRESENTATIONS AT ONE OF THE SLIDES JUST SHOW SPENT VERSUS BUDGETED AND WE AVERAGE AN AMOUNT OVERSPENT OF AROUND 16 MILLION FOR SOME TIME NOW CAN YOU TELL ME WHY HASN'T THAT BEEN INCORPORATED INTO THE BUDGETED AMOUNT INCREASE IN THE OVERTIME BUDGET? YEAH I KNOW IT'S BEEN THIS ALL THE TIME BUDGET HAS BEEN PLAGUED WITH THERE WAS A PERIOD IN TIME WAS THAT FY17 17 WHERE WE TRIED TO CHEW UP THE HOURS TO MORE TRACK WITH PLAN SCHEDULE RECURRING OVER TIME.  NO NO OVERTIME THERE.  YOU KNOW I THINK A LOT OF CUSTOMERS WERE ON THE BODY AT THE TIME BUT THERE WAS A DESIRE TO SORT OF YOU KNOW,  THERE WAS A POLICY SHIFT OF TEACHING OVER TIME AND DEPLOYING IT TO OTHER SORT OF EQUITY BASED SORT OF PUBLIC SAFETY EFFORTS AND THAT THAT WAS ONE OF IT.  BUT WE'VE WE AS A COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT HAS PASSED . WE DO WHAT WE DO PILOTED A PORTION OF THAT COLLECTIVE BARGAINING SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION TO OVERTIME TO HAVE AN INTRO INCREMENTALLY WITH COLLECTIVE BARGAINING BUT WE DO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE IS A BIT OF A DISCONNECT BETWEEN WHAT WHAT THE BUDGET SHOULD BE FOR PROBABLY SUSTAINABLE LIKE A RESPONSIBLE LEVEL OF OVERTIME.  SO WE'RE WILLING TO CERTAINLY GO EXTENDING THAT. BUT YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY IT'S COMPETING PRIORITIES WITH ALL KINDS OF OTHER EFFORTS AND THERE IS A HUGE DEMAND TO CONTINUE SORT OF OTHER APPROACHES TO PUBLIC SAFETY, ENSURING PUBLIC SAFETY. WE I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT PUBLIC SAFETY CONTINUES TO BE ONE OF THE HIGHER OUR BUDGET POWER BUDGET PRIORITIES.  IT'S ALWAYS BEEN NUMBER TWO. WE'RE BELOW PUBLIC EDUCATION BUT WE'LL WILL CONTINUE TO BE AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO TRY TO COLLABORATE WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO TRY TO THE WORD OF REPLACEMENT IS USED BOTH IN OVERTIME BUT ALSO CLASSES.  WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE AT LEAST TRY TO REACH THE LEVEL THAT WE THINK THAT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE IN THE BUDGET. AND YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN CHALLENGING OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.  AND MY OTHER QUESTION IS WHEN WE DO YOU KNOW I MEAN OVER THE YEARS WE HAVE OVERSPENT. WHERE DO WE GET THE THE MONEY FROM? YEAH, I KNOW AND I KNOW COUNCIL HAS BEEN SORT OF THERE IS A PROVISION IN THE CITY CHARTER THAT ALLOWS THE CITY TO EXCEED PUBLIC SAFETY OVERTIME BUDGETS. YOU KNOW WE RESPOND TO SORT OF EMERGENCY SITUATION SO I THINK IT'S THE SAME SORT OF SIMILAR SORT OF CHARTER PROVISION THAT ALLOWS US TO EXCEED THE SNOW BUDGET. YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO STOP BORROWING SNOW IF WE EXCEED THE BUDGET, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO RESPOND TO THAT PUBLIC SAFETY MEETING.  SO ONE OF THE THINGS ONE OF THE CALCULUS THAT SORT OF WHEN YOU'RE DEVELOPING A BUDGET IS AND SAY WHAT YOU KNOW AND WE'RE SORT OF A RISK AVERSE SORT OF ORGANIZATION IN THE BUDGET OFFICE. SO WHAT DOES IT MEAN AND WHAT'S THE HIGH WATERMARK?  WHAT'S THE YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE AVERAGE WHAT'S THE MEDIUM WHAT WHAT AMOUNT OF REVENUE SHOULD WE BUDGETED FOR VERSUS MAKE SURE WE HAVE SUFFICIENT REVENUE TO COVER SITUATIONS SO IT'S NOT JUST PUBLIC SAFETY OVER TIME BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CAUTIOUS ABOUT BUDGETING OVER TIME TO HAVE SUFFICIENT REVENUE TO COVER THOSE OVERAGES . IT'S IT'S PUBLIC SAFETY OVER TIME IT'S SNOW REMOVAL. YOU KNOW I KNOW IT HASN'T BEEN HUGE ISSUE IN THE MOST COUPLE OF YEARS SO WE PULLED THE MONEY FROM IT'S JUST EXISTING REVENUES AVAILABLE REVENUE SO WHETHER IT BE ANY NUMBER OF THE GENERAL FUND REVENUES THAT WE NEED TO SEE SO IT'S KIND OF ALREADY BAKED INTO THE BUDGET. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE REVENUE HAVE TO BE SENSITIVE TO HOW MUCH REVENUE YOU MAKE AVAILABLE FOR BUDGETARY EXPENSES TO ENSURE THAT THERE MAY BE SOME WIGGLE ROOM FOR REVENUE JUST TO COVER THINGS THAT EXCEED THE BUDGET IN THE THREE THREE MAJOR AREAS OF PUBLIC SAFETY OVER TIME. SNOW REMOVAL AND YOU KNOW,  JUDGMENTS AND SETTLEMENTS WE'RE NOT GOING TO JUDGE OR OR SETTLEMENTS THAT ARE REACHED FOR SO SO IS THERE IS THERE A LINE ITEM OR FUND WHERE YOU PULL IT'S THE ENTIRETY OF THE GENERAL FUND. IT'S IT COULD BE ANY ONE OF THE REVENUE SOURCES THAT COULD BE SO IT'S KIND OF ALREADY BAKED IN. YES. SO THE CANCER COUNCIL CONSIDERED LIKE THANK YOU SO MUCH CHAIR JUST TO FOLLOW THAT LINE OF QUESTIONING A BIT SO OBVIOUSLY WE ARE LEGALLY OBLIGATED TO PAY OVERTIME PAYMENTS TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SO IF AND THEN IF WE'RE LEGALLY OBLIGATED TO PAY OVERTIME THE BOSTON CITY COUNCIL VERSION OF THE BUDGET CAN'T CUT OVERTIME. I MEAN IF WE WERE TO CUT OVERTIME IT IT WOULDN'T BE CUT IN ACTUALITY BECAUSE THE CITY WOULD BE OBLIGATED TO PAY OVERTIME EXPENSES. YES.  SO THAT WE WOULD WE WOULD EXCEED THAT. I THINK THAT'S BEEN UP A PHENOMENON THAT'S OCCURRED IN THE LAST FEW YEARS WHERE SOME OF IT IS CONTRACTUAL, SOME OF IT CAN BE MANAGED AROUND OPERATIONAL MANAGEMENT BUT THERE ARE CONTRACTUAL REQUIREMENTS IN THE UP YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SAFETY REQUIREMENTS TO BE MET IN ITS OFFERING THROUGH OVERTIME AND THERE WERE PRIOR ITERATIONS OF THE CITY COUNCIL THAT ATTEMPTED TO CUT OVERTIME FROM THE FROM THE BUDGET CORRECT. WHICH IS NOT POSSIBLE THE THE BUDGET YOU COULD YOU COULD CUT IT FROM THE BUDGET BUT YOU COULDN'T WOULDN'T PREVENT THE EXPENSE. OKAY GOT IT. SO WITH THE 550 VACANCIES AROUND THERE THAT WE HAVE AND WITH THE 253 SWORN OFFICERS THAT WERE MISSING FROM A POLICE FORCE, WHAT DOES THAT TOTAL IN TERMS OF I MEAN NOT AN EXACT EXACT NUMBER BUT HOW MUCH IS UNSPENT STAFFING AND YOU KNOW, GENERAL STAFF FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ITSELF?  WELL, I THINK WHAT HAPPENS OFTEN IS LIKE YOU WOULD SEE A SURPLUS ON THE PERMANENT EMPLOYEE LINE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE THEIR REGULAR SALARY AND IN THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S NOT UNCOMMON WE HAVE SHORTAGES IN EVERY CITY DEPARTMENT SORRY DIRECTOR WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET YOUR VOICE ON RECORD. YES. SO PLEASE SPEAKING TO THEM I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT. SO THERE IS THAT INTERPLAY BETWEEN PERMANENT EMPLOYEES. SO IF YOU KNOW, EVEN IN THE PARKS DEPARTMENT SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE SOME VACANCIES, THOSE PARKS STILL NEED TO BE CLEANED UP SO PEOPLE ARE BROUGHT IN AND OVERTIME TO ENSURE THE CLEANLINESS OF THE PARKS.  THE GOAL IS IS TO FILL THOSE POSITIONS SOMETIMES AS A LOT.  SO ALSO WHEN AN EMPLOYEES ON WORKERS COMP SO WE DO BUDGET FOR YOU KNOW FRONT LINE YOU KNOW FIELD SERVICES TYPE OF DEPARTMENT FOR WORKER'S COMP WAGES BUT THE BUDGET PROBABLY ISN'T ISN'T THAT A HIGH WATERMARK AGAIN SO THERE ARE THERE ARE SITUATIONS WHERE WHETHER WHEN EMPLOYEES ON WORKER'S COMP THERE'S NOT NO LONGER AVAILABLE TO DO THE DUTIES OF THE JOB SO WE HAVE TO FILL SOMETIMES WITH OVERTIME NOTICES TOO. SO IN TERMS OF THE MASS AND CAST MONEY THAT WAS SPENT JUST TO TRY TO CAUSE AT LEAST HALF OF MASS IN CASES IN A SHARED POLICE DISTRICT WITH MINE.  SO UNDERSTANDING THAT POLICE DISTRICTS HAVE CERTAIN AMOUNT OF RESOURCES AND CERTAIN AMOUNT OF OFFICERS THAT THEY NEED TO OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE ALSO DEPUTIZED OFFICERS THAT ARE SORRY DEPUTIZED CIVILIAN PERSONNEL THAT ARE AT MASS IN CARS AS WELL. IS THAT COVERED BY THAT LINE ITEM OF THE 66% OF SPECIAL EVENTS OR IS THAT SEPARATE IS THAT LIKE A SEPARATE VENDOR THAT THAT'S SEPARATE THAT THERE ARE OTHER CITY AGENCIES THAT ARE DOWN IN MASS AND CAST WE ALSO HAVE THE BEST CLINICIANS WORKING WITH THE POLICE OFFICERS DOWN IN MASS AT MASS AND GAS BUT THE THE MASS AND CARS COST THAT WE'RE INCURRING OVER TIME. IN ADDITION WE HAVE SOME MASS AND CASH EXPENSES RESULTING FROM CONTRACTUAL SERVICES WITH OUR CONTRACT BETWEEN BOSTON MEDICAL CENTER FOR THE BEST CLINICIANS. OKAY YEAH. ONE THING I WAS REALLY INTERESTED I ACTUALLY WENT ON A RIDE ALONG THE NIGHT OUR MASS AND COURSE THE TENTS WERE CLEARED FOR MASS AND CARS AND ONE THING I NOTICED WAS A LOT OF LIKE DEPUTIZED OFFICERS AS WELL AS SWORN OFFICERS LIKE FOLKS IN PLAIN CLOTHES THAT HAD BADGES. SO THAT'S WHY WHAT I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT SORT OF IF THAT WAS TO DO WITH THIS OVERTIME SPENDING OR IF IT WAS SEPARATE I THINK CITY CONTROLS OR CITY CONTRACT I THINK THOSE ARE CONTRACT SECURITY THROUGH THE BOSTON PUBLIC HEALTH COMMISSION. I THINK THAT'S JUST A B.A. DISPLAYING THEY'RE NOT DEPUTIZED LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. THAT'S A PRIVATE SECURITY ENTITY THAT WAS HIRED BY THE BOSTON PUBLIC HEALTH COMMISSION. OKAY. GOT IT. AND I THINK ON MY END JUST HAVING SAT THROUGH SO MANY HOURS ABOUT THAT ORDINANCE, I JUST IT WAS KIND OF MY PET PEEVE THAT THAT DIDN'T REALLY COME UP IN THE HEARINGS AND I THEN A RIDE ALONG IN SORT OF LIKE DISCOVERED IT FROM MYSELF SO I JUST WANTED TO GET ON THE RECORD LIKE WHO THOSE PEOPLE ARE AND WHETHER IT WAS PART OF THIS LINE ITEM. BUT JUST IN TERMS OF MY DISTRICT, THE WAY I THINK ABOUT STAFFING AND OVERTIME AND THE WAY THAT WE PRIORITIZE STAFFING IS LIKE I OBVIOUSLY HAVE A LOT OF CONSTITUENTS THAT REACH OUT ABOUT CERTAIN AREAS OF MY DISTRICT THAT NEED EXTRA LOVE AND ATTENTION.  SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT ON THE RECORD I THINK THE BREWER FOUNTAIN AREA IN A ONE IN BOSTON COMMON HAS BEEN A CONSTANT ISSUE.  THE PARK STREET SCHOOL HAS BEEN REALLY DEALING WITH YOU KNOW AND THAT YOU KNOW WHEN PARENTS ARE PICKING UP KIDS FROM SCHOOL OR THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, DROPPING THEIR KIDS OFF, THERE'S DEFINITELY SOME SECURITY ISSUES THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THERE. SO I JUST WANT TO PUT ON THE RECORD THAT AS THIS NEW POLICE CLASS IS GRADUATING, I REALLY LIKE TO ADVOCATE FOR MORE OFFICERS AND A ONE AND SO AS WE HAVE THIS OVERTIME CONVERSATION ABOUT I APPRECIATED YOUR EXAMPLE OF THE NORTH WASHINGTON STREET BRIDGE BECAUSE I WALK PAST THAT ALL THE TIME AND I THINK THAT THAT'S A GREAT USE OF OVERTIME FUNDING IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT INTERSECTION IS TOTALLY SECURED FOR KIDS HAVING SOME SCARY CROSSES OF THAT INTERSECTION MYSELF I REALLY APPRECIATE WHEN THERE IS AN OFFICER THERE AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT COULD EVEN BE REPLACED WITH THE CROSSING GUARD GIVEN HOW DANGEROUS IT IS. SO I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION I THINK COUNCILOR MURPHY MADE A GREAT POINT ABOUT THE RISE IN SPECIAL AND JUST I THINK THERE IS SORT OF A LITTLE BIT OF A LEGAL DISPUTE OR A LEGAL CONVERSATION THAT'S TAKING PLACE OVER THE OVER PERMITTING OF THE BOSTON COMMON AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE TO PERMIT EVERY PERSON WHO APPLIES FOR AN EVENT PERMIT IN THE BOSTON COMMON.  I THINK OVERUSE OF THE PARKS IS PARTICULARLY YOU OF INTEREST TO ME AND MY DISTRICT. SO SO JUST FLAGGING I THINK IF THAT IS RESULTING IN OVER TIME IS JUST FEELING LIKE WE HAVE TO PERMIT EVERY SINGLE EVENT THAT COMES THROUGH YOU KNOW PARKS PERMITTING AND THE COMMON I THINK YOU KNOW AS A MEMBER AND A TRUSTEE OF THE BOSTON COMMON MAINTENANCE TRUST FUND, I THAT WE COULD USE A LITTLE RELIEF ON THE BOSTON COMMON IN TERMS OF JUST ABOUT TRAFFIC SOMETIMES AND JUST REGROWTH OF THE OF THE PARK SO SO JUST FLAGGING IN ADDITION TO THE BOROUGH OF FOUNTAIN AREA I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO ADVOCATE FOR THERE BE SOME THOUGHTS SO LIKE OVER PERMITTING IF THAT IS CAUSING SHORTAGES IN EITHER STAFFING OR OR A RISE IN OVERTIME SO SO I KNOW, I TALKED MORE THAN I LISTENED BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.  I THANK YOU COUNSELOR SANTANA THE FLOOR IS YOURS.  THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS YOU SOME FOLLOW UPS FROM SOME OF THE REMARKS THAT YOU MADE EARLIER SUPERINTENDENT I THINK EARLIER YOU GAVE AN EXAMPLE AND REFERENCED THE THE SHOOTING THAT HAPPENED IN THE IN A LOCAL BARBERSHOP. CORRECT?  YES. AND YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU EXPRESSED THAT BASED OFF YOU KNOW, USE IT USE IT AS AN EXAMPLE BECAUSE OF INCIDENTS LIKE THAT IT CAN YOU KNOW, YOU ALL ME AND DECIDE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER MORE VISIBILITY IS NEEDED BUT MORE OFFICERS ARE NEEDED. CAN YOU SPEAK MORE TO I GUESS HOW ARE THOSE DECIDED?  I MEAN WHO'S PART OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND YOU KNOW, I ALSO THINK YOU YOU REFERENCE AT A LATER DATE OR LATER TIME THAT IF COMMUNITIES ARE ASKING FOR MORE POLICE THEN THAT MAY BE A VOICE THAT YOU ALL LISTEN TO IN TERMS OF INCREASING. RIGHT. AND I JUST WANT TO ASK IN TERMS OF THE OPPOSITE IF YOU KNOW HOW ABOUT THE COMMUNITY IS ASKING FOR THAT IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU ALSO LISTEN TO RESPOND TO? SO YES TO A QUESTION ON I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF I'M BEING CLEAR ABOUT I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THE LAST PART, COUNSELOR, BUT WE'LL GET TO WHAT I COVER FIRST. I'LL GET THE FIRST ONE AND I REPEAT MY SECOND ONE ABOUT SURE ,WE'RE COMMUNITY DRIVEN THAT'S THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT IS DRIVEN BY THE WANTS NEEDS OF ITS COMMUNITIES.  YOU ONE OF THE VOICES WE LISTEN TO IS YOURS. THE MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL , THEY CALL US THEY TALK TO OUR DISTRICT COMMANDERS EVERY DAY RELAYING THEIR CONSTITUENTS REQUESTS. WE DO OUR BEST TO MEET THEM.  WE ALSO HAVE OUR OWN INDEPENDENT CONVERSATIONS.  YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU KNOW, OUR POLICE OFFICERS, OUR MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, THEY LIVE THERE. THEY WORK THERE THEY'RE THERE EVERY DAY. THAT INCLUDES OUR SUPERVISORS,  THE PEOPLE WHO ARE MAKING THESE DECISIONS AND YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAID, THIS IS WHY I HESITATE TO REDUCE THINGS TO A MATHEMATICAL FORMULA THAT AN EVENT HAPPENS LIKE THAT. WE ARE TALKING TO PEOPLE ARE TALKING ULTIMATELY TO THE INDIVIDUALS INVOLVED WATCH THE THREAT OF RETALIATION.  YOU KNOW, WHAT RESOURCES DO WE NEED TO BRING IN?  WE HAVE THE TRAUMA TEAM FOLKS WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH DOWN RIGHT ABOUT SAYING THINGS LIKE WELL IT MIGHT BE NICE IF THERE WERE A COUPLE OF OFFICERS IN THE PARK FOR THE NEXT WEEK OR SO AT THE BASKETBALL COURTS, THINGS LIKE THAT.  SO YOU KNOW, IT'S THAT SORT OF DEPLOYMENT THING THAT TAKES PLACE. IT'S VERY ORGANIC. IT'S AN ONGOING CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMUNITY, WITH THE COMMUNITIES REPRESENTATIVES I APPRECIATE I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET FLAHERTY ON IS LIKE AND I USE THIS AS I USE THE BARBERSHOP AS AN EXAMPLE BECAUSE IT'S A YOU KNOW, IT'S A RECENT ONE THAT WE ALL KNOW ABOUT. I'M SPEAKING MORE IN GENERAL NOT NECESSARILY TO THAT SPECIFIC BUT YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SAYING WE WILL INCREASE VISIBILITY. SO I MEAN WHO'S PART OF THOSE COMMENTS LIKE ARE WE PROACTIVELY BEING INCLUDING DISTRICT COUNSELORS? ARE WE PROACTIVELY INCLUDING THE BUSINESS OWNERS WHO ARE AFFECTED OR IS THIS MORE OF AN INTERNAL CONVERSATION THAT'S HAPPENING BETWEEN POLICE OFFICERS AND THEN IN TERMS OF LIKE RIGHT INCREASE IN VISIBILITY, DOES THAT HAPPEN FOR ONE WEEK? DOES IT HAPPEN FOR ONE MONTH? DOES IT HAPPEN FOR TWO MORE THAN WE DO? I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THE PROCESS TO HAVE THAT SO I MEAN SURE, I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT THOSE CONVERSATIONS START QUITE YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT EVENT DRIVEN THINGS LIKE THAT. THOSE CONVERSATIONS START BEFORE WE EVER LEAVE THE SCENE. OKAY, YOU'RE A DISTRICT COMMANDER'S YOUR LEADERSHIP IS, YOU KNOW, RESPONDING THOSE PHONE CALLS, THOSE EMAILS AND SO ON AND THOSE CONVERSATIONS START BEFORE WE EVER CLEAR THAT CRIME SCENE AS TO WHAT WHAT OUR RESPONSE NEEDS TO BE.  YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE TAKE ONE OF YOU CALLS WE ALL ANSWER I HOPE SO ANYWAY. IF NOT LET US KNOW AND WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS.  I MEAN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK A LOT OF THE PUBLIC DOESN'T REALIZE AND JUST FOR THAT BENEFIT IS OUR POLICE COMMANDERS, OUR DISTRICT COMMUNITY SERVICE PEOPLE THEY'RE GOING TO THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE COMMUNITY MEETINGS EVERY SINGLE WEEK. SO TO SAY WELL YOU NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMUNITY IS IT'S JUST SO ONGOING YOU KNOW I KNOW AS I SPENT TIME AS DISTRICT COMMANDERS IN PLAIN I WAS IN HYDE PARK I WAS DOWNTOWN IN DISTRICT ONE IT WAS JUST YOU KNOW, THIS THING HERE IS ATTACHED TO MY HIP AND IT'S TEXT MESSAGES AND EMAILS AND PHONE CALLS EVERY HOUR OF THE DAY FROM CONSTITUENTS AND WE RESPOND TO THEM AND SO THAT'S HOW THE DECISION IS MADE.  ULTIMATELY YOU'RE DISTRICT COMMANDER AND YOUR BELIEFS LEADERSHIP MAKE HARD CHOICES ABOUT IS THIS SOMETHING WE'RE GOING TO SPEND ALL THE TIME ON OR ARE WE GOING TO REASSIGN A UNIT FROM YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE HAVE AN OFFICER OVER I'M GOING TO USE DISTRICT ONE AND WE'VE HAD AN OFFICER OVER BY THE TD GARDEN BECAUSE WE'VE GOT ISSUES OVER THERE. WELL MAYBE WE NEED TO MAYBE THAT'S DIED DOWN. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE IT OVER TO BREWER FARMS AND I THINK YOU KNOW BUT THANK YOU FOR THE FLAHERTY.  I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. I'LL DO MY BEST OF MY TIME. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. THANK YOU.  GOING BACK TO EXTENDED TOURS AND JUST WANT TO GO THROUGH THE HOURLY NUMBERS ON THE CAUSES OVER TIME IN FY 2223 AND 24 WE'VE SEEN THE NUMBERS OF OVER TIME OUR JUMP FROM 1.8 MILLION TO $1.3 MILLION ALMOST 1.4. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MORE THAN A 26% JUMP IN OVERTIME HOURS IN TWO YEARS IT LOOKS LIKE EXTENDED TOURS ARE UP NEARLY 50% IN THE PAST TWO YEARS AND I GUESS MY MATH IT ACCOUNTS FOR MORE THAN 400,000 OF ODD HOURS.  WHAT WOULD BE BEHIND THE INCREASE AT A TIME WHEN OVERALL CALL CRIME CALLS IT DOWN AND CRIME IS DOWN FOR EXTENDED TOURS OVER TIME THE LARGEST DRIVER WAS THE NUMBER OF LARGE RALLIES, PROTESTS AND DEMONSTRATIONS THAT WE HAD RELATIVE TO THE ISRAEL-PALESTINE CONFLICT. THERE WAS A NUMBER OF VERY,  VERY LARGE RALLIES. SOME OF THEM WERE UPWARDS OF 5000 PEOPLE. SOME OF THEM HAPPENED VERY QUICKLY WITH NOT WITH NO WARNING.  THE ONLY OPTION THAT WE HAD AVAILABLE TO US IN ONE OF OUR ONE OF OUR YOU KNOW, SOMETHING AS IT RELATES TO THE PROTEST RALLIES AND DEMONSTRATIONS, ONE OF THE FOUNDATIONS WHAT WE DO IS DE-ESCALATION SOMETIMES HAVING ENOUGH OFFICERS ON SCENE TO BLOCK STREETS TO MAKE AN ATTEMPT TO SPEAK WITH THE ORGANIZERS AND, GET BICYCLES OR MOTORCYCLES AHEAD OF THEM TO REDUCE CONFLICTS BETWEEN THE PEOPLE DEMONSTRATING MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT GO WITH IT. WE HAVE TO GET APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF OFFICERS ON SCENE TO DE-ESCALATE IN SOME OF THESE EVENTS OF ACTUALLY A RESULTED IN ARRESTS IN ORDER TO DO THAT APPROPRIATELY TO HAVE A NUMBER OF OFFICERS ON SCENE TO APPROPRIATELY ARREST PEOPLE UNDER CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES WE HAVE TO HAVE THE RIGHT NUMBER OF OFFICERS TO DE-ESCALATE THE SITUATION SO THAT WE USE THE LOWEST AMOUNT OF FORCE POSSIBLE TO EFFECT THAT ARREST AND TAKE THAT PERSON INTO CUSTODY.  THE DRIVING FACTOR BETWEEN AROUND THAT INCREASE WAS AS AN OPERATIONAL NECESSITY ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS. I THINK IT'S IN THE DOUBLE DIGITS. WE HAD THE HOLD OVER THE ENTIRE SHIFT WHETHER IT WAS THAT THERE WAS A NUMBER OF TIMES IT WAS IN THE MORNING WE YOU KNOW, WE FOUND OUT ABOUT LAST LITERALLY LAST MINUTE MY PHONE RINGS 5 A.M. HEY, THEY'RE GOING TO BLOCK THE STREET IN FRONT OF SOUTH STATION OR WHATEVER IT IS MASSIVE EFFECT ON COMMERCE IN THE CITY. EMERGENCY VEHICLES, AMBULANCES GOING TO HOSPITALS, ALL OF THIS OTHER STUFF AND IN SOME CASES WE HAD TO MAKE THE DECISION WE MUST MOVE THESE FOLKS IN. SOME OF THEM WILL HAVE TO BE PLACED ON ARREST. WE HAD TO HAVE THE LAST SHIP THAT JUST WALKED OVERNIGHT. YOU'RE NOT GOING HOME. AND THEN THE DAY SHIFT COMES IN AND THEN WE MOVE SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE DOWN. SO AS AN OPERATOR OF NECESSITY WE HOLD THE CITY THAT'S A HUGE THAT'S A HUGE EXPENSE. BUT IN THE MOMENT IN ORDER TO DE-ESCALATE HAVE THE PROPER NUMBER OF OFFICERS ON SCENE SO WE CAN IF WE HAVE TO USE FORCE OR MAKE AN ARREST THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS ALLOW US TO KEEP THAT USE OF FORCE AS LOW AS POSSIBLE AND THAT'S WHERE THOSE LARGE INCREASES COME FROM BECAUSE IT'S A MASSIVE EXPENDITURE AND THEN ONE OF OUR CONTRACT CONTRACTUAL LIMITATIONS ARE STIPULATIONS THAT CALL FOR EXTENDED TOURS. SO IS THERE AN AUTOMATIC SOMEONE DOES, YOU KNOW, 30 MINUTES OVER THEIR REGULAR SHIFT. YOU KNOW, DO THEY GET 4 HOURS, 8 HOURS, 6 HOURS SO SO RIGHT SO THERE'S SO THE THE THE CURRENT THE CONVERSATION AROUND THE MINIMUM SO THERE'S SOMETHING TO MINIMUM OF FOUR RIGHT THE ROLL UPS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE PAY VERY PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO AND THEN ONE OF OUR CONCERNS IN THE CONTRACT IS KIND OF CLEANED A LOT OF THIS UP IS WHERE IT WOULD OVERLAP. OKAY BECAUSE VERY SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE IT WOULD OVERLAP BUT THEY EXTEND IT SO THE MINIMUM OF FOUR THE RECALL OVERTIME IF AN OFFICER DOES THEIR SHIFT AND THEN THERE IS MORE THAN A 15 MINUTE BREAK AND THEN THEY WERE ASSIGNED OR TOOK AN OVERTIME ASSIGNMENT THAT WOULD BE PAID AT A MINIMUM OF FOUR.  SO I'LL GIVE YOU I'LL LAY OUT LIKE A SCENARIO SO I WORK OVERNIGHT I GET OFF OF MY SHIFT AT 7:30 A.M. THERE'S A PROTEST RALLY OR DEMONSTRATION THAT STARTS AT 10 A.M. I'M OFF OF MY SHIFT AT 7:30 A.M. I GET FIRED OR VOLUNTEER AT ALL ORDERED FOR THIS 10 A.M. START TIME SINCE IT IS BEYOND 15 MINUTES AFTER MY SHIFT THE OFFICER BY CONTRACT IS ENTITLED TO A MINIMUM OF 4 HOURS. MANY OF THOSE EVENTS WILL GO THE WHOLE 4 HOURS. SOME OF THEM DO NOT. SO IF THAT OFFICER WORKS FROM 10 A.M. UNTIL 12 A.M. THEY GET PAID BEFORE. NOW AS FAR AS OVERTIME CONCERNED THE CLOCK RUNS AND THEY ARE NOT ELIGIBLE TO TAKE ANOTHER OVERTIME ASSIGNMENT UNTIL THAT ENTIRE 4 HOURS HAVE PASSED. AND IF THEY'RE IF IT'S NOT THAT 15 MINUTE THRESHOLD THEN IT'S IT WOULD BE AN EXTENDED OKAY AND THE ONLY TIME THAT THAT THE ONLY TIME THAT THAT WOULD BE DIFFERENT I CAN'T THINK OF WHERE IT WOULD BE SO IT'S DEFINITELY EXTENDED TO US OR IN 15 MINUTE INCREMENTS OKAY SO IF YOU'RE THERE FOR 45 MINUTES WE PAY YOU FOR 45 MINUTES. GOT IT AND SO ON AND THAT'S ACTUALLY THE MOST COMMON WHEN HE'S SPEAKING ABOUT HOLDING SHIFTS OVER IT IN MY HEAD IS THAT IT'S THE EXTENDED TOUR THAT IS CONTIGUOUS WITH THE PREVIOUSLY SCHEDULED SHIFT OR SOME OF THAT WE ARE ALLOWED CONTRACTUALLY TO CALL AN OUT OFFICER IN UP TO 2 HOURS PRIOR TO THE START OF HIS REGULARLY SCHEDULED SHIFT.  THAT ALSO GETS CODED AS AN EXTENDED TOUR AND GOING BACK TO THE SPECIALIZED UNIT GOING INTO THE DISTRICTS I KNOW HE DID IT IN AUGUST OF 2023.  WHAT WAS WHAT WERE THE COST SAVINGS THAT WE FOUND IN AUGUST 2023 WHEN WE DID IT IN TERMS OF OVERTIME I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO COUNCILOR BUT I CAN CERTAINLY GET YOU THAT AWESOME. YEAH AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO UNDERSTAND LIKE WHAT LIKE SO I IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE SEEN AS BENEFICIAL FOR OVERTIME, WHY ONLY ONCE AS WELL ? SO I'LL GIVE YOU AN ANECDOTE I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT FIGURE IT HAPPENED SO WE DIDN'T DO IT ONCE WE STARTED IT AND WE HAVEN'T STOPPED. OKAY I'LL GIVE YOU AN ANECDOTE SO THE CAPTAIN THAT WAS IN CHARGE OF DISTRICT 13 THEY WERE DOING LAST HALF ORDERING IT WAS SIGNIFICANTLY SIX AND EIGHT OFFICERS ON THE LAST HALF SHIFTS FOR A WEEKEND WHEN WE WENT INTO LABOR DAY WEEKEND AND WE HAD THAT WE HAD THE 22 HOUR ROTATIONAL OFFICERS HE WAS ABLE TO FILL ALL OF HIS MINIMUM MANNING OBLIGATIONS AND SUPPLEMENTAL ASSIGNMENTS WITHOUT ORDERING A SINGLE OFFICER. WE FROM THE OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT WE SAW IT IMMEDIATELY. RIGHT GOT IT.  AND I GUESS MY QUESTION NOT JUST ONLY ONCE BUT WHY ONLY 20 TOURS? WHY DO WE STICK AT 20 TOURS AND NOT TRYING TO INCREASE IT? RIGHT. SO THE SO THE WAY WE TRIED TO DO IT WAS WE TRIED TO MAKE THE MATH WORK SO THAT EVERY OFFICER THAT WAS BEING PULLED UPON WOULD DO ONE ROTATION IN A CALENDAR YEAR. OKAY? AND IT BASICALLY BROKE DOWN TO YOU KNOW EVERY OFFICER WE DO 40 OFFICERS AT A TIME BUT 20 TOURS. GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. I'LL GO TO MY COLLEAGUES SECOND ROUND OF QUESTIONS. I'M GOING TO ASSUME IF YOU'RE STILL HERE YOU HAVE A SECOND ROUND OF QUESTIONING YOU'LL BE CALLED ON STARTING. WE'RE COUNSELOR WEBER.  THANK YOU AND THANK YOU TO THE PANELISTS FOR, YOU KNOW, BEING HERE AND AND FOR YOUR TESTIMONY JUST LIKE A SUPERINTENDENT . YOU MENTIONED COURT OVER TIME. YES, SIR. SO YOU KNOW FOR FOR UNDER THE CONTRACT REGARDLESS OF HOW MUCH TIME YOU SPEND IN COURT, THAT'S A FOUR HOUR PAYMENT, CORRECT?  THAT IS ESSENTIALLY CORRECT, YES. SURE. AND SO AND BUT WE ALSO KNOW HOW LONG PEOPLE ARE IN COURT. YES, SIR, WE DO. AND SO YOU KNOW, I HAVE A CHART HERE. I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN DATA ON IT. I MEAN GOING BACK 12 YEARS OR 2012, THERE'S THERE'S ALWAYS A GAP BETWEEN THE AMOUNT OF OVERTIME COURT TIME WE PAY AND COURT TIME ACTUALLY WORKED. CORRECT. SO YOU KNOW AND THAT THAT THAT NUMBER GENERALLY YOU KNOW IS ANYWHERE BETWEEN 2012 IT WAS 70,000 EXTRA HOURS I THINK LAST 2022 IT'S YOU KNOW 30,000 OR SO AND COURT TIME HAS GONE DOWN AFTER COVID BUT IT'S ON ITS WAY BACK UP.  YOU KNOW, IS THERE ANY DESIRE BY THE LEADERSHIP TO REFORM THAT IN FUTURE CONTRACTS OR SO IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN ADDRESS WITH THE BARGAINING UNIT. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S DRIVING IT AS WELL I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE COURTS, WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF APPEARANCES AND OFFICES REQUIRED TO MAKE PUSHING, IF YOU WILL. THE TENSION HERE IS THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS, YOU KNOW, INTENDED POLICE REFORMS AND SO ON THAT INCREASE THE NUMBER OF APPEARANCE SIZES OR CASE PREP THAT AN OFFICER MAY HAVE TO DO VARIOUS TYPES OF MOTIONS AND SO ON THE SOMETHING THAT'S CALLED A LONG MOTION THAT INQUIRES SPECIFICALLY INTO AN OFFICER'S PATTERN OF ENFORCEMENT FOR EXAMPLE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING NEW TO US WITHIN THE LAST JUST THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND THERE'S VARIOUS OTHER PROCEEDINGS THAT QUITE FRANKLY DIDN'T EXIST SEVERAL YEARS AGO THAT OUR OFFICERS ARE NEEDING TO APPEAR FOR THOSE WHERE IN THE PAST THEY WOULDN'T HAVE.  SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR DETAILED RESPONSE TO JUST COME UP AND GET IT GET YOU OUT OF HERE. OKAY. AND IS THERE I GUESS SO. IS IT STILL TRUE THAT IF YOU TAKE COMP TIME AND YOU PICK UP A REPLACEMENT SHIFT THAT YOU'LL BE PAID OVERTIME FOR THE DAY YOU'RE OUT ON COMP TIME?  YES, IT IS POSSIBLE, YES. YEAH.  AND IS IT ALSO TRUE THAT IF YOU ARE YOU CALL YOU IF CALLS OUT SICK AND YOU YOU TAKE THAT SHIFT THAT SORT OF REPLACEMENT SHIFT YOU GET TIME AND A HALF, CORRECT? YES SIR. AND THEN IF YOU CALL OUT SICK THE NEXT DAY AND THE PERSON WHO CALLED OUT SICK THE PREVIOUS DAY TAKES YOUR PREVIOUSLY SCHEDULED SHIFT, THEY GET TIME A HALF FOR FOR THE SHIFT THAT YOU CALLED OUT FOR NOT NECESSARILY THE SAME PERSON, SIR. OKAY. IF THE OVERTIME TO DISTRIBUTE ON AN A ONE MAN AVAILABILITY BASIS IT CREATES A ROTATION. THE IDEA THAT TWO INDIVIDUALS COULD EXCHANGE IN THAT MANNER YOU KNOW CERTAINLY IN A DISTRICT WOULD BE PRETTY FAR FETCHED. DO YOU TRACK WHEN PEOPLE TAKE COMP TIME AND WOULD IF THEY TOOK A SHIFT THAT SAME DAY DO YOU HAVE THAT DATA WE COULD GENERATE IT. OKAY. WE DO TRY TO BE ABSTRACT CERTAINLY.  OKAY. SO IN TERMS OF COURT OVER TIME AND OVERTIME FOR SPECIAL EVENTS I'M WONDERING IS THERE ANY WAY THAT CHANGING IN SCHEDULING COULD REDUCE OVERTIME? OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T REDUCE STAFFING BUT IT COULDN'T SOMEONE EITHER GO TO COURT DURING THEIR SHIFT RATHER THAN ACQUIRING DOING FOR A FEW HOURS AND AND AND ALSO WHY ARE REGULARLY SCHEDULED EVENTS LIKE THE MARATHON IN THE CARIBBEAN FESTIVAL CAN THOSE BE SCHEDULED AS REGULAR TIME AND NOT AS TIME AND HALF OVERTIME SO TO YOUR LAST QUESTION FIRST, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS MOVING THE HOURS OF AN OFFICER'S REGULAR SHIFT TO COVER A SPECIAL EVENT.  IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. I'M WONDERING IF YOU'VE LOOKED INTO IT GIVEN ANY THOUGHT IS THAT POSSIBLE BY PERSONALLY HAVE NOT AND IT CERTAINLY OTHER THAN VOLUNTARILY I DON'T NECESSARILY BELIEVE WE CAN DO THAT UNDER THE CURRENT COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS BUT IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN BRING BACK TO THE FLOOR TO DISCUSS.  YEAH, YEAH. FOR EXAMPLE A MASS IN CAS I THINK PEOPLE YOU GET PAID TIME AND A HALF FOR DOING POLICE WORK. I THINK PEOPLE ARE CONFUSED ABOUT WHY THAT WOULD BE OVERTIME YOU KNOW AND AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE WITH SOME SCHEDULING BUT YOU CAN LOOK INTO IT SENDS THAT THE RESPONSE WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO IT YOU KNOW WHAT TIME IS COURT HOURS ARE COURT HOURS RIGHT.  IT'S MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY YOU KNOW 9 TO 5. IT IS WHAT IT IS. WE DON'T CONTROL THAT THE CITY DOESN'T YEAH I, I ANECDOTALLY HEARD THAT I THINK IN OTHER CITIES THEY HAVE POLICE ON CALL FOR COURT RATHER THAN GO TO COURT AUTOMATIC AND WAIT. BUT I'M NOT I WAS NOT A CRIMINAL ATTORNEY.  HAVE YOU I THINK LAWRENCE HAS A DIFFERENT SYSTEM WHERE THEY THEY CUT DOWN. HAVE YOU LOOKED INTO THAT?  SO ARE ON DUTY OFFICERS SOMETIMES ARE ON CALL THAT IS THEY'RE AT WORK IN THEIR REGULAR SHIFT AND THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WOULD DO SO THAT REQUIRED THAT WOULD REQUIRE A DISCUSSION NOT JUST WITH THE DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE BUT WITH THE COURT ITSELF BECAUSE THERE WOULD INEVITABLY BE DELAYS WITH THAT AND OF COURSE THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING UNITS THEMSELVES ARE BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT WORKING BUT HAVE TO HOLD THEMSELVES AVAILABLE TO RESPOND TO THE COURTHOUSE TO TESTIFY. OKAY. AND IN TERMS OF THE 2015 AUDIT OF IT, SO NOW OVERTIME IS NOT ALLOTTED IN SORT OF A BANK, IS IT? YOU'VE CHANGED ACCORDING TO THOSE 15 AUDIT DISTRICTS GOT X NUMBER OF HOURS OF OVERTIME AND IT WAS UP TO THEM TO USE IT OR NOT. BUT ARE YOU SAYING THAT HAS CHANGED OR DO I MISUNDERSTAND HOW IT WORKS? 24 SERVICES WE HAVE ZONE COMMANDERS FOR ANY DISCRETIONARY EXPENDITURE.  THE CAPTAIN OR THE DISTRICT HAS TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE ZONE COMMANDER GIVING AN EXPLANATION OF WHAT IS FOR. THERE'S AN APPROVAL PROCESS.  IT'S NOT YOU HAVE THIS MUCH IF YOU GO OVER IT LET US FEEL LIKE IT'S CASE BY CASE BASIS IF YOU NEED TO EXPEND OVER TIME IT HAS TO BE FOR A REASON SO THERE'S NO BANK AS YOU SAID. OKAY. ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY INSTANCES WHERE FIELD SERVICES DENIED A REQUEST FOR MORE OVERTIME FROM A DISTRICT?  THERE HAVE BEEN CERTAINLY YES. SO IN THE PAST THERE HAS BEEN TIMES WHERE WE SAY NO, YOU'RE GOING TO COVER THAT WITH ON DUTY PERSONNEL. OKAY. JUST JUST A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT CIVIL SWORN OFFICERS DOING CIVILIAN WORK IN THE REPORTS THE AUDIT TALKS ABOUT THE DETAIL SCHEDULING UNIT THAT'S 40 PLUS OFFICERS. IS THERE STILL 40? ARE THERE STILL 40 PLUS OFFICERS IN DOING THAT KIND OF WORK AND WHAT'S PREVENTING THEM FROM FILLING THESE GAPS WHERE PEOPLE ARE WORKING DOUBLE SHIFTS AND EXHAUSTED SO TO THAT POINT WE THE MOST RECENT COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS ALLOW US TO CHANGE THAT.  WE'RE NOT IN FACT ALLOWED TO CHANGE THAT BECAUSE OF THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS PREVIOUSLY. WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THAT. WE ARE CURRENTLY DEVELOPING WORKING WITH PROCUREMENT BUDGET AND A NUMBER OF OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS TO DEVELOP AN RFP FOR A DIGITAL APPLICATION THAT WILL HELP US EXECUTE THE CHANGES IN THE BARGAINING DISTRICT, IN THE BARGAINING AGREEMENTS THAT INCLUDING WHAT I'M SORRY WHAT IS THE SHORT ANSWER IS THAT SO THE SHORT ANSWER IS WE'RE IN THE COURSE OF AN RFP THAT WILL FULFILL FIVE OF THE REQUIREMENTS ON YOUR PART TWO RECOMMENDATIONS HERE THAT ARE PART OF THAT.  OKAY. OKAY. SO ONE LAST QUESTION. I APPRECIATE THE LEEWAY CHAIR SO I'M READING THE CBA. I DON'T KNOW THERE'S A SECTION IN OVERTIME SCHEDULING AND IT SAYS I'LL JUST READ IT IS ARTICLE NINE, SECTION THREE PART D EXCEPT FOR THE POTENTIAL CHANGES OF THE SHIFTS OF OFFICERS ASSIGNED TO THE DRUG CONTROL UNIT INCLUDING DRUG CONTROL OFFICERS DETAILED TO THE DISTRICTS THE SCHEDULED TOURS OF DUTY OF INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEES OR GROUPS OF EMPLOYEES WILL NOT BE CHANGED OR ALTERED FOR THE PURPOSE OF AVOIDING THE OVERTIME PROVISIONS OF THE ARTICLE OF THE CVA. IT.  DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT TO ME THAT MEANS THAT YOU CAN'T MAKE UNDER THE CBA YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT WOULD REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF OVERTIME. HAVE YOU TALKED ABOUT THAT PROVISION?  WELL YOU KNOW WHAT WHAT DOES THAT LANGUAGE MEAN TO YOU?  LIKE THAT'S YOUR MARATHON SCENARIO IF WE ADJUST OFFICER SHIFTS FOR THE PURPOSE OF AVOIDING AN OVERTIME EXPENDITURE THAT'S WHAT THAT IS RIGHT THERE. OKAY.  BUT SO YEAH I DON'T THINK ANYBODY IS CHALLENGING STAFFING LEVELS AT THE AT THE MARATHON OR YOU KNOW EVEN NECESSARILY ON A DAILY BASIS BUT YEAH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SCHEDULING DECISIONS SHIFT CHANGING THE WE TALKED ABOUT OUR CHANGING THE HOURS OF A SHIFT YOU KNOW TO PREVENT THE OVERAGES AND THE EXTENDED DUTIES THEY ARE.  DO YOU THINK IS IT CORRECT TO SAY UNDER THE CBA THAT YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS BECAUSE THE PURPOSE WOULD BE TO AVOID OVERTIME?  WELL, I GUESS IN THE IT LIKE THE NITTY GRITTY OF IT WE DID WE WOULD WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH OFFICERS TO CONSIDER DOING THAT LIKE WE'D LIKE WE ARE GOING TO TRY TO TALK WITH MEMBERS OF THE DISTRICT ABOUT DURING THE ANNUAL SHIFT BIDS WHAT SHIFTS WE WANT TO PRIORITIZE TO FILL FOR PROPER STAFFING LEVELS SO THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE ON THE APPROPRIATE SHIFTS SO THAT THERE'S A DYNAMIC THAT IT THAT HAPPENS AND AROUND THE ORDERING A LOAD TIME AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS IS ABOUT THE OVERTIME IS A LOT A LARGE NUMBER OF THIS OVERTIME THE OFFICERS ARE ORDERED TO DO IT LIKE THEY DON'T WANT TO DO IT, THEY ARE ORDERED TO DO IT AND IT'S FOR THE REPLACEMENT OVERTIME IS TO FILL A MINIMUM STAFFING SHIFT. SO EVEN IF WE WERE TO MOVE AN OFFICER FROM THIS SHIFT TO THAT SHIFT THERE'S THERE WOULD BE A VACANCY ON THE SHIFT WHERE THEY'RE LEAVING. SO WE HAVE TO CHOOSE BETWEEN WHICH SHIFTS DO WE WANT TO FULLY STAFF I'M OF THE OPINION AND BASED ON ONE OF THE OFFICERS THAT I TALKED TO THEY WOULD RATHER BE FORCED TO DO OVERTIME DURING THE DAY OR RATHER THAN BEING HELD OVER FOR THE OVERNIGHT.  SO OUR DECISIONS ON OPENING SHIFTS AND STAFFING IS MORE BASED ON WELLNESS FOR THE OFFICER BECAUSE IF WE MOVE AN OFFICER FROM HERE TO THERE IT LEAVES A VACANCY WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM AND PLUGGING A HOLE HERE THERE'S STILL A HOLD OVER THERE TO WHAT THE MOVEMENT OF OFFICERS IS THAT WE'RE DOING IS AGREED LIKE WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE REDUCTION OF OVERTIME, YOU KNOW, AS AS A YOU KNOW, AS FISCAL BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE BUT LARGELY THE MOVEMENT OF OFFICERS DOES CREATE VACANCIES BUT IT CHANGES THE DYNAMIC OF THE OFFICE, THE EXPERIENCE OF THE OFFICER AND HOW IT AFFECTS THEM. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DOING A YOU KNOW, A DAY SHIFT AND BEING ORDERED TO COME IN FOR MIDNIGHT OR DOING A FIRST HALF FOR THE MIDNIGHT SHIFT AND BEING ORDERED TO COME IN AND STAY OVERNIGHT VERSUS COMING IN TO FILL AN OVERTIME STAFFING POSITION DURING THE DAYTIME IS A VERY DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE FOR THE OFFICER FROM A WELLNESS STANDPOINT.  SO IF WE HAD ENOUGH OFFICERS TO PLUG ALL THE HOLES THEN YES YOU'RE RIGHT LIKE WE COULD PUT PEOPLE IN OTHER SPOTS AND IT WOULD OFFSET IT. I THINK WHEN RECRUITS START TO COME IN WE WILL FILL THOSE MINIMUM STAFFING SPOTS AND THOSE WILL PLUG THOSE HOLES TO SOME DEGREE THAT GENERATE THE OVERTIME TO MEET MINIMUM STAFFING LEVELS.  BUT WE'RE NOT THERE YET. WE LIKE WE I DON'T THINK WE COULD VIOLATE THAT SECTION OF THE CONTRACT. THE OTHER PIECE OF IT IS COUNSELOR IT'S A VERY, VERY OLD PROVISION. I MEAN I MEAN TO THE POINT THAT WAS THERE WHEN I STARTED WITH THE DEPARTMENT THE MANY, MANY DECADES AGO THERE WAS A PRACTICE OF JUST CALLING YOU UP AND SAYING OFFICER WEBER, YOU ARE COMING IN AT 8 A.M. INSTEAD OF AT 4 P.M. IN ORDER TO AVOID OVERTIME.  WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT. IT WAS LITERALLY JUST WAS ON WHETHER THEY CHANGED YOUR SHIFT TODAY WE WANT TO SEE YOU AT 8 A.M. INSTEAD OF AT 4:00.  I BELIEVE THAT PROVISION WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO PREVENT THAT PRACTICE.  YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.  AND I KNOW COUNCILOR WEBER TALKED ABOUT THE SCHEDULING UNIT AND YOU KNOW THERE'S SOME ADMINISTRATIVE JOB THAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED TO START USING CIVILIAN WORK. ARE YOU ABLE TO PROVIDE A LIST OF OF THOSE POSITIONS TO US? NOT NOT RIGHT NOW BUT IN THE NEAR FUTURE? I MEAN HOW MANY POSITIONS ARE INVOLVED IN THE DISTRIBUTION OF CARE DETAILS AND ALL THE TIME IS THAT THE QUESTION?  WELL YOU SAYING THAT HE BROUGHT UP SOME OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE WORK THAT ARE BEING DONE BY SWORN OFFICERS AND IT SOUNDED LIKE WE'VE IDENTIFIED SOME SOME ADMINISTRATIVE JOBS THAT WE WERE GOING TO OPEN UP TO CIVILIAN.  SO AS FAR AS THE PAY DETAILS UNIT IN THE DETAIL ROOMS IN THE DISTRICT, WE ACTUALLY EXPECT THOSE JOBS TO DISAPPEAR COMPLETELY.  WE EXPECT THEM TO BE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MAYBE ONE OR TWO PEOPLE TO OVERSEE IT. THE ENTIRE SYSTEM TO BE DIGITIZED. THEY WON'T BE REPLACEMENT CIVILIANS. YOU KNOW THE JOB ITSELF WILL GO AWAY COMPLETELY. THERE ARE OTHER POSITIONS EVIDENCE MANAGEMENT CURRENTLY THE PAY DETAILS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO STOP IT UNTIL WE GET IT LICENSING UNIT AND A COUPLE OF OTHERS WHERE WE THE RECENT CONTRACT PROVISIONS THAT ALLOW US TO FORCE OFFICERS BACK ON MODIFIED DUTY RATHER THAN TO ALLOW THEM TO STAY OUT INJURED WITHIN THEIR LIMITATIONS WE ARE USING THOSE OFFICERS WHERE AND WHEN WE CAN TO FILL THEM RATHER THAN FULL DUTY POLICE OFFICERS. SO FOR EXAMPLE THE PURGE ALL THE TIME AT THE EVIDENCE WAREHOUSE HAS BEEN ALMOST WHOLLY ELIMINATED BY SIMPLY SENDING THE MORE LIGHT DUTY OFFICERS WHO CAN DO THE WORK. THE PAY DETAILS UNIT HAS RECEIVED SEVERAL WE'VE PLACED OFFICERS IN LICENSING WITH GREAT EFFECT. WE REDUCED THE BACKLOG ON THE FIREARM LICENSING FROM A YEAR TO LESS THAN THREE MONTHS. SO SO WE ARE REALLY PUSHING HARD.  THEY ARE NOT SO MUCH TO CIVILIAN IZE IT BUT TO MAKE BEST USE OF THE LIMITED OFFICERS WE HAVE WITH LIMITED MOBILITY COUNSELING.  THANK YOU, MR CHAIR TO THE SUPERINTENDENT OR TO THE DEPUTY. THE MAXIMUM A POLICE OFFICER CAN WORK IN A 24 HOUR SHIFT IS 16 HOURS. IS THAT ACCURATE?  NO, SIR. IT'S 18. IT'S 18. IT'S 18. WE HAVE JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE EIGHT AND A HALF HOUR AND SEVEN AND THREE QUARTER HOUR SHIFTS SO IT ADDS UP TO A LITTLE 18 HOURS. SO YOU'RE ON YOUR 18TH HOUR WORKING. MANY PEOPLE HERE AND I'VE SERVED 25 YEARS IN THE NAVY. I WORKED THOSE TYPES OF HOURS VERY UNHEALTHY FOR SOMEONE CARRYING A WEAPON, VERY UNHEALTHY FOR THE OFFICER FOR HIS OR HER FAMILY, FOR THE PUBLIC. I'M NOT TELLING YOU SOMETHING, SUPERINTENDENT , THAT YOU DON'T KNOW.  I HAVE RESPECT FOR YOU. I'VE WORKED WITH YOU FOR MANY YEARS.  THAT POLICE OFFICER IS NOT ON TOP OF HIS OR HER GAME AT THE 17TH HOUR OF THE 16TH HOUR. I KNOW WHEN SOMETHING HAPPENS, SOMETHING NEGATIVE HAPPENS.  CITY HALL IS NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT POLICE OFFICERS BACK AFTER THE 17TH HOUR ON A SHIFT IF THAT OFFICER MAKES A MISTAKE.  SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS THE STAFFING CRISIS CONTINUES.  OFFICERS ARE EXPECTED TO DO MORE WITH LESS IN THE HEALTH AND WELLNESS WILL CONTINUE TO SUFFER OF THE OFFICERS IN THEIR FAMILIES FOR THE IMMEDIATE FUTURE.  IS THAT ACCURATE?  WE HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD ,COUNSELOR, TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF OFFICERS WHAT IS BEYOND 18 HOURS? THIS IS EVERY DAY WE'VE BEEN SUPERINTENDENT . AND AGAIN, I HAVE RESPECT FOR YOU AND I HAVE RESPECT FOR DAN. I CAN'T ACCEPT 18 HOURS ON I CAN'T ACCEPT THAT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S IN THE CONTRACT OR NOT. I CAN'T ACCEPT THAT THAT AN OFFICER IS WORKING 18 HOURS AND THEN HE GOES HE OR SHE GOES HOME AND THEN GETS A FEW HOURS OF SLEEP AND THEN COMES BACK AGAIN.  THERE'S SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS SYSTEM WHEN WE ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN I, I CAN'T SIT HERE AND SAY THAT'S THAT'S GOOD.  THAT'S WELCOMING. I CAN ONLY TELL YOU WHAT I FEEL AND WHAT I BELIEVE IN SOMEONE WORKING MORE THAN 16 HOURS. IN MY OPINION IT SHOULD BE ILLEGAL AND I WOULDN'T I WOULDN'T HAVE THAT. THERE WERE POLICE OFFICERS WHEN I WAS WORK WHEN I STARTED SEVEN YEARS AGO. THEY'RE WORKING 24 HOUR SHIFTS . SO WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY IS TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH POLICE OFFICERS IN THE CITY OF BOSTON. WE NEED TO HIRE MORE POLICE OFFICERS.  POLICE OFFICERS SHOULD NOT WORK 16 HOURS MORE THAN 16 HOURS A DAY WORKING ON YOUR 17TH HOUR OF A SHIFT WHEN SOMETHING BAD HAPPENS TO YOU, YOU MAKE A MISTAKE BECAUSE YOU'RE TIRED. CITY HALL IS NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THAT POLICE OFFICER IN THEIR FAMILY PERIOD. I'M NOT SAYING ANYTHING THAT PEOPLE WILL DISAGREE WITH AT THIS AT THIS WRONG.  I'M FRUSTRATED, MR CHAIR, THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS ISSUE AND WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THAT TO CONTINUE. WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW POLICE OFFICERS TO WORK MORE THAN 16 HOURS A DAY WHILE CONSISTENTLY WORKING 16 HOUR SHIFTS FIVE DAYS A WEEK AND WE'RE SAYING THAT'S OKAY. AND ON THE OTHER HAND, WHEN THEY DO MAKE A MISTAKE, THEY'RE ON THEIR OWN. THERE'S NO BACKUP FROM ELECTED OFFICIALS FOR THAT POLICE OFFICER OR THEIR FAMILY.  DOES ANYBODY DISAGREE WITH ME ? I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, MR CHAIR.  THANK YOU. FLYNN, I KNOW THERE'S FORCE OVERTIME AND INVOLUNTARY OVERTIME. DO WE KNOW WHAT PERCENTAGE IS VOLUNTARY?  WHAT PERCENTAGE IS FORCE LIKE IS THAT BROKEN DOWN? YEAH, THE OVERTIME SYSTEM. OKAY, IF YOU GUYS CAN PROVIDE ME WITH THAT INFORMATION IF YOU HAVE IT NOW, ARE YOU ABLE TO SHARE IT? I HAVE THAT BACK AT THE OFFICE THAT I CAN SHARE BUT I JUST WANT TO PUT A DISCLAIMER THAT THE NUMBERS MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT SKEWED BECAUSE IF THERE ARE INSTANCES WHEN THE OFFICER USES THE INCORRECT SLIP FOR THE MANDATORY OVERTIME SO WE MIGHT NOT CAPTURE IT, IT MIGHT NOT BE AS ACCURATE AS IT SHOULD BE. IT COULD BE EVEN MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. OKAY.  AND IF THE OFFICER DID NOT, YOU KNOW, VOLUNTEER THEMSELF TO TAKE TAKE THE OVERTIME, WOULD THAT JUST BE JUST DIDN'T TRANSLATE TO SOMEONE BEING FORCED FOR THAT FOR THAT OVERTIME IS THAT HOW IT WORKS OR.  Q EXPLAIN IN GENERAL IF OVERTIME CANNOT BE FILLED THEN SOMEBODY GETS ORDERED TO DO IT. GOT IT.  COUNCIL PRESIDENT LOUIJEUNE THE FLOOR IS YOURS. THANK YOU.  I WANT TO THANK ALL MY COLLEAGUES FOR ASKING SOME GREAT QUESTIONS. I WANT TO JUST HAVE A FEW GENERAL THINGS THAT I WANT TO SAY. I THINK THERE WAS A QUESTION THAT WAS ADDRESSED I THINK TO YOU FOR IT WAS EITHER THE SUPERINTENDENT , DEPUTY SUPERINTENDENT OUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND I JUST WANT US TO ALWAYS HAVE LIKE TO TRY TO HAVE A BROADER VIEW OF OF COMMUNITY. AND I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE REALIZE EVEN AS CITY COUNCILORS. WELL IT'S WHETHER IT'S YOU KNOW, REVIEWING A DEVELOPMENT AND WE GO TO CIVIC MEETINGS AND WE BELIEVE THAT THAT'S AND IT IS THAT'S COMMUNITY BUT IT'S ONLY ONE RIGHT? IT'S LIKE THE TYPE OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE TIME AND THE LUXURY TO BE ABLE TO GO TO COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND SOMETIMES THAT MEANS YOU'RE NOT WORKING TWO JOBS WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE AND THAT YOU'RE NOT WORKING A NIGHT SHIFT AND THAT COMMUNITY EXISTS EVEN OUTSIDE OF THESE MEETINGS. AND I DO THINK LIKE I THINK COUNCILMEMBER I MENTIONED THAT YES, THOSE WERE REALLY GREAT JOB ALWAYS PRESENT AT ALL OF THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS.  AND I OFFER THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT BIG PICTURE OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT DOES REALLY GOOD WORK AND I AND I'D LOVE TO SEE A LOT MORE SYNERGY BETWEEN THE CSOS AND THAT BUREAU BECAUSE I THINK THAT THERE IS THAT GREATER UNDERSTANDING THAT COMMUNITY IS WHEN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT COMMUNITY IT IS BOTH THOSE CIVIC GROUPS AND RIGHT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT ONLY THE PEOPLE THAT WE HEAR FROM WE HEAR FROM PEOPLE WITH WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS AND THEY MIGHT NOT BE THE ONES WHO ARE REGULARLY GOING TO COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND THEY ARE EQUALLY CONCERNED WITH COMMUNITY SAFETY WITH HOW WE ADDRESS THE ISSUES OF OUR YOUNG PEOPLE. SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE ALSO YOU KNOW, THE DEMOGRAPHICS ARE DIFFERENT AT A COMMUNITY MEETING THAN THAN WHO LIVES IN THE COMMUNITY AT ALL. AND THEN I THINK SOMEONE ALSO COMMENTED ON AND YOU KNOW, AFTER OCTOBER SEVEN A LOT OF THERE'S A LOT OF INTENTIONALITY WITH GOING TO SYNAGOGUES AND I KNOW THAT A LOT OF FOLKS IN OUR IN AND I JEWISH COMMUNITIES APPRECIATED THAT AND YOU KNOW SUPPORTED THAT.  BUT I WAS RECENTLY LAST FRIDAY AT HEADQUARTERS PPD HEADQUARTERS I KNOW THERE WAS ALSO INTENTIONALITY WITH WORKING WITH OUR MUSLIM COMMUNITIES AND I ALSO JUST WANTED TO UPLIFT THAT THAT I KNOW THAT THERE WERE POLICE OFFICERS WHO ARE BEING AS INTENTIONAL WITH MONITORING AND MAKING SURE THAT MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY WHO WERE AT MOSQUE ALSO FELT SAFE. I WANTED TO FOLLOW UP ON A QUESTION THAT COUNSELOR WEBER ASKED BECAUSE I ALSO SAW THAT LANGUAGE IN THE IN THIS CBA'S AND I GUESS THIS IS JUST A SIMPLE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER YOU SEE THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE ABOUT LET ME FIND THE DIRECT LANGUAGE THAT THE SCHEDULED TOURS OF DUTY OF INDIVIDUAL EMPLOYEES WILL NOT BE CHANGED OR ALTERED FOR THE PURPOSE OF AVOIDING THE OVERTIME PROVISIONS OF THIS ARTICLE. YOU DON'T FIND THAT AS AN OBSTACLE RIGHT NOW TO OVERTIME REFORM BECAUSE I DON'T I DON'T BELIEVE WE DO. I DON'T THINK THAT WHETHER FROM AN OPERATIONAL OR AN OFFICER WELLNESS STANDPOINT WE'RE INTERESTED IN GOING BACK TO A TIME WHERE YOU JUST GET A CALL IN THE MORNING THAT SAYS HEY, YOU'RE COMING IN AT A DIFFERENT TIME RIGHT ON YOUR REGULAR SHIFT. RIGHT, RIGHT. OKAY. SO YOU DON'T SEE THIS AS AN OBSTACLE TO THE CHANGES THAT NEED TO BE MADE FOR OVERTIME. I DON'T AT THIS TIME I'M YOU KNOW, THE COUNCIL WANTS TO SPEAK TO OUR COLLEAGUES IN LABOR RELATIONS THAT THEY HAVE A MORE NUANCED VIEW OF IT. OKAY.  PLEASE FEEL FREE. OKAY. AND I DO KNOW JUST TO COUNCILOR WEBBER'S POINT ABOUT COURT OVERTIME, I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A DESIRE FOR MORE REFORMS OUT OF THAT BUT I I KNOW THAT THERE WAS I THINK IT WAS IN THE DETECTIVES CONTRACT THERE WERE CERTAIN REFORMS MADE TO LIKE THERE USED TO BE A 72 HOUR WINDOW WHERE YOU COULD BE CALLED AND NOW THAT'S BEEN REDUCED TO LIKE THERE COULD BE A 24 HOUR CANCELLATIONS OR I KNOW THAT THERE WERE BUT THAT WAS A SMALL CONCESSION.  BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE WERE OTHER EXAMPLES BEING OFFERED IN TERMS OF WHAT OTHER JURISDICTIONS ARE DOING,  WHETHER IT'S LIKE ACTUAL TIME MAYBE IT'S NOT THE FULL 4 HOURS IF YOU'RE AND I SAY THIS BECAUSE I MY SISTER IS A FORMER ASSISTANT DISTRICT ATTORNEY. RIGHT. SO THAT YEAH, YOU KNOW SOMETIMES YOU SHOW UP TO COURT AND THERE'S OFTENTIMES NOT ACTUALLY A NEED FOR THE OFFICER . SO I DO THINK THAT THERE'S MORE WORK TO BE DONE THERE. I DO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT COURT OVERTIME I THINK IS LESS THAN 10% OF THE OVERALL OVERTIME. SO IF WE ARE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS SOME OF THE OTHER BIG THE OTHER ISSUES THAT WOULD BE PROBABLY PRIORITY. BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE ARE FURTHER REFORMS THAT WE CAN MAKE AROUND COURT OVERTIME.  I I THINK IT WAS IT WAS YOU SUPERINTENDENT PICCOLO, YOU REFERENCED SOMETHING THAT BASICALLY SUGGESTED THAT IF WE HAD THE MORE OFFICERS LIKE HIRING MORE OFFICERS IS NOT GOING TO NECESSARILY LEAD TO A DECREASE IN OVERTIME IN THAT IN THAT CATEGORY IN WHICH IN ONLY IN THE IN THE IN OVERTIME IN COURT OVERTIME CATEGORY YOU BELIEVE THAT IN THE OTHER EXTENDED EXTENDED HOURS AND THE OTHER LARGER CATEGORY THE NAME ESCAPES THAT THAT INCREASE IN OVERTIME AN INCREASE IN OFFICERS WOULD INFLUENCE WE WOULD SEE OVERTIME HOURS GOING DOWN AS A RESULT OF I THINK REPLACEMENT OVERTIME SHOULD GO DOWN IN THAT SCENARIO WHERE WHERE YOU WOULD NOT NECESSARILY SEE INCREASES IS ON THE EXTENDED TOURS AND ON THE COURT TIME SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU KNOW WE LIKE TO PRESUME THAT THE OFFICERS ARE GOING TO BE OUT ON THE STREET TAKING ENFORCEMENT ACTION WHEN THEY'RE OUT THERE AND EACH OF THOSE IS GOING TO LEAD TO THE OCCASION THEY'LL ARREST WAITING FOR A TOW OR WHATEVER AT THE END OF THE SHIFT WHICH RESULTS IN AN EXTENDED TOUR OR SOMEBODY THEY'RE GOING TO ARREST SOMEBODY, ISSUE SOMEBODY A TRAFFIC CITATION AND THAT PERSON IS GOING TO WANT TO AVAIL THEMSELVES OF COURT PROCEEDINGS AND THE OFFICER IS GOING TO NEED TO BE THEM. HAS IT EVER BEEN BORNE OUT IN THE DATA WHEN WE'VE HIRED AND HAD MORE OFFICERS THAT FOR US TO ACTUALLY ALSO EXPERIENCE A DECREASE IN OVERTIME HOURS? I HAVE NOT SEEN IT BORNE OUT IN THE DATA IN THE TWO YEARS IN WHICH WE'VE ACTUALLY SEEN AN INCREASE IN HIRING.  WE ALSO SAW AN INCREASE IN OVERTIME I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT AND I'M NOT SURE THAT IF YOU WILL THE SAMPLE SIZE IS LARGE ENOUGH.  I'M NOT SURE THE FLUCTUATIONS IN STAFFING HAVE BEEN THAT GREAT OVER A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. THE CHALLENGE TO THE INCREASED STAFFING IS RETIREMENTS AND PEOPLE LEAVING. SO LIKE WHEN THE 120 RECRUITS GRADUATE FROM THE ACADEMY THAT DOES NOT RESULT IN AN ANNUAL NET INCREASE OF 120 OFFICERS BECAUSE THE OFFICER IN THAT CASE IT WOULD BE A NEGATIVE TEN. LAST THREE YEARS WE'VE AVERAGED ROUGHLY 131 RETIREMENTS PER YEAR.  SO IN A CLASSIC IT'S OUT A LOT OF TIMES IT'S FILLING THOSE GAPS.  THERE ARE SOME YEARS WE MIGHT HAVE PLUS FIVE HAS BEEN ADDED TO THE FORCE AS A RESULT OF THE LARGER CLASS SIZE. BUT YOU KNOW SOME OF THESE CLASSES ARE AGING OUT THAT HAVE BEEN HERE THAT YOU KNOW, I DID IT ACTUALLY FOR THE LAST HEARING THAT I DID ON MONDAY. YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY ASKED THE QUESTION OF HOW MANY OFFICERS WERE OVER THE AGE OF 40 AND THEY'RE QUITE QUITE A FEW. I THINK THERE WAS ROUGHLY LIKE 1100 OFFICERS OUT OF OUR TOTAL FORCE THAT ARE OVER 40. BUT WHEN I WAS SCANNING DOWN AS MANY OFFICERS THAT ARE IN THEIR SIXTIES AND FIFTIES AT WELL AS WELL THAT MIGHT BE ON THE VERGE OF RETIREMENT BASED ON THEY WANT A RETIREMENT OR FORCE RETIREMENT.  THANK YOU. AND THEN THE CHAIR IF I JUST WANT TO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I THINK THE COUNTY I TALKED ABOUT THE BEST TEAM AND WE CAN LEAVE THAT FOR THE CHAIRMAN OF THE HEARING BUT I THINK THAT'S A REALLY GREAT MODEL OF US INVESTING IN ALTERNATIVES TO CONTINUE TO SEE US DO I THINK WE HEAR FROM A LOT OF VOICES IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THAT IS A MODEL THAT WE WANT TO UPLIFT TO SUPPORT ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MASSIVE CARS OR IN OTHER AREAS IN OUR CITY. SO JUST WANTED TO DO THAT AND I DO HOPE THAT THE THE DATA WILL BEAR THAT OUT THAT YOU KNOW,  THAT WE WOULD SEE A DECREASE IN OVERTIME SHOULD THE NUMBERS INCREASE. IT'S JUST THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT IN THE IN THE DATA THAT THAT I'VE SEEN MAYBE IT'S A SAMPLE SIZE ISSUE BUT I JUST HAVEN'T SEEN IT. SO I WANT US TO FIND A WAY TO TAMP DOWN ON THE I BELIEVE IT'S ALMOST $100 MILLION IN OVERTIME SPENDING AND THERE'S JUST NOTHING FACTUALLY TO PROVE TO US THAT THAT'S WHAT'S THAT HIRING MORE OFFICERS WILL DO THAT. THAT'S WHY I ASKED THESE IDEAS ABOUT WHAT OTHER JURISDICTIONS ARE DOING WHETHER IT'S CALLED OVERTIME OR CAPS ON OVERTIME SPENDING.  I REALIZE YOU MAY NOT BE THERE BECAUSE YOU STILL WANT TO BRING UP THE NUMBERS BUT I THINK THAT THERE'S MORE THAT WE HAVE TO AND YOU ALL HAVE OFFERED SORT OF THE MEETING THAT YOU'RE HAVING ON A BIWEEKLY BASIS TO SORT OF LOOK AT IT AND I THINK DEPUTY SUPERINTENDENT WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT OPEN STREETS, I THINK THOSE ARE REALLY GOOD MODELS THAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO PURSUE TO TRY TO TAMP DOWN THOSE NUMBERS. THANK YOU.  THANK YOU. AND TO PICK UP WHERE COUNCIL PRESIDENT LOUIJEUNE LEFT, I DO WANT TO THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH A LOT OF THE ORGANIZERS WITHIN THE DISTRICT AROUND JUST MAKING SURE THAT THEIR EVENT THAT THEY'RE TAKING MORE ON MORE OF THE SECURITY ON TO TAMP DOWN TO THE LEVELS OF OF OVERTIME THAT'S NEEDED TO COVER SOME OF THOSE EVENTS IN THE DISTRICT.  JUST TO BUILD ON THAT, A FEW OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE EXPLORING TOO IS EXECUTING REIMBURSABLE AMMO USE WITH FOR PROFIT EVENTS WHERE THEY ACTUALLY WOULD PAY FOR THE POLICE LINE YOU KNOW, THE LAW ENFORCEMENT PRESENCE OR EXECUTING REIMBURSABLE AMMO USE THEY PICK UP THE COST AND THEN ON SOME OF THE EVENTS LIKE WOULD TAKE A ROAD RACE FOR INSTANCE IN THE SEAPORT, THOSE SIX ROAD RACES LAST YEAR ALL SIX OF THEM HAD A DIFFERENT ROUTE. IF WE CAN CREATE STANDARDIZED ROUTES FOR DIFFERENT CHARITABLE EVENTS OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU KNOW, EMBRACES THE SPIRIT OF THE EVENT, YOU KNOW IN THE SEAPORT RUN ALONG THE THE THE OCEAN SIDE OR WHATEVER LIKE THAT BUT DO AN ANALYSIS BASED ON IMPACT ON TRAFFIC IMPACT ON RESIDENTS THAT ARE TRYING TO GO ABOUT THEIR DAILY BUSINESS WHILE THESE LARGE SCALE EVENTS ARE BUT ALSO MINIMIZING THE PUBLIC SAFETY REQUIREMENT REQUIREMENT TO STOP IT. YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT AND TRYING TO WORK WITH ORGANIZERS SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, NOT CHANGE THE DYNAMIC OR THE FEEL OR THE EXPERIENCE OF THEIR EVENT BUT MODIFY IT IN SUCH A WAY THAT IT LIMITS THE IMPACT ON PEOPLE THAT AREN'T ATTENDING THE EVENT AND ALSO LIMITS THE PUBLIC SAFETY PERSONNEL THAT ARE REQUIRED TO CREATE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT. NO, YOU KNOW AND I LIKE THAT AND ONE OF MY QUESTIONS HERE WAS, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT SPECIAL EVENTS KIND OF SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID WITH THE CIVILIAN FACT FLAG IS YOU KNOW, MAYBE THAT'S AN AREA THAT WE CAN EXPLORE ON, YOU KNOW, BEING ABLE TO OUTSOURCE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THOSE SPECIAL EVENTS TO, YOU KNOW, UNIVERSITY POLICE OR OTHER AGENCIES THAT WE FEAR WHETHER A SMALL OR A SMALL THE ONES I'M THINKING OF LIKE YOU KNOW, IF THE LITTLE LEAGUE IS MARCHING DOWN THE STREET LIKE, YOU KNOW, CAN THAT BE DONE BY, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER AGENCY OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, FOUR OR FIVE POLICE OFFICERS OR LIKE ALSO LIKES OPEN STREETS RIGHT.  HOW DO WE ALSO SUPPLEMENT THE POLICE PRESENCE WITH, YOU KNOW, OTHER PRIVATE AGENCIES, OTHER AGENCIES?  BUT ONE OF MY OTHER QUESTIONS WAS AROUND THE BOSTON PUBLIC HEALTH COMMISSION AND THE RFI FOR AN ALTERNATIVE RESPONSE TEAM THAT WOULD DEAL WITH ISSUES THAT MIGHT BE MORE MENTAL HEALTH RELATED. CAN YOU TALK TO ME ABOUT HOW THE BPD IS WORKING IN CONCERT WITH THE BPA ON THAT PROGRAM AND WOULD THAT PLUG IN TO THE 911 SYSTEM AND WHAT EFFECT DO YOU SEE THAT PROGRAM HAVING ON POLICE OVERTIME OR YOU KNOW, PRESENT MINIMUM STAFFING LEVELS? AND I KNOW YOU KNOW THERE'S BEEN TALK ABOUT QUALITY OF LIFE LIFE ISSUES. DO YOU THINK THAT THIS WILL HELP FREE UP SOME OF OUR POSSIBILITIES OFFICERS TO BE MORE DEDICATED TO, YOU KNOW, WALKING BEAT IN CERTAIN DISTRICTS THAT COMMUNITY IN COUNCILS ARE CALLING FOR?  SO I WAS GOING TO SAY I'M NOT SURE THAT WOULD BE A DIRECT EFFECT. I'M NOT I'M NOT NECESSARILY SURE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A ONE FOR ONE. OKAY.  I THINK IT'S A HOLISTIC APPROACH WHERE IDEALLY ON A LARGER SORT OF MACRO SCALE YOU'RE REDUCING THE NEED FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT WHERE PEOPLE END UP WITH BETTER TREATMENT FOR THEIR SUBSTANCE ABUSE OR MENTAL HEALTH CONDITIONS THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE RECEIVING PROPER TREATMENT THEY DON'T ENGAGE IN BEHAVIOR THAT INITIATES A911 RESPONSE. BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A ONE FOR ONE CORRELATE REPLACEMENT EFFECT THERE. THANK YOU, COUNSELOR MURPHY THE FLOOR IS YOURS. THANK YOU, CHAIR.  AND I DO WANT TO THANK YOU AGAIN BUT I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING FROM LARRY CALDERONE WHO WAS WAITING ON LINE I KNOW AND CAN HELP UPLIFT THE VOICES OF THE MEMBERSHIP BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HEAR THAT SIDE OF THIS ALSO AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING UP BECAUSE I KNOW THE LAST FEW YEARS IT'S BEEN SAID THAT MOST HERE IS WHEN A GRADUATING CLASS IS, YOU KNOW, DISPERSED TO THEIR DIFFERENT ASSIGNMENTS. IT'S NOT EVEN KEEPING UP WITH THE RETIREMENT OR THOSE JUST LEAVING EARLY BECAUSE THEY'RE FRUSTRATED WITH THE JOB. SO THE IDEA THAT THE CLASS YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE TRAINING MORE BUT WE'RE NOT EVEN KEEPING UP WITH YOU KNOW, THE RETIREMENT AND THE ATTRITION HAS TO BE FACTORED INTO THE IDEA THAT THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO THREE OR 400 AT A TIME TO CATCH UP WITH AND NOT ALWAYS BE PLAYING CATCH UP. SO THAT'S IMPORTANT. ONE THING FOR YOU, JIM, I KNOW YOU KNOW BP'S IS OUR BIGGEST PART OF OUR BUDGET POLICE IS THE SECOND. RIGHTFULLY SO. BUT EVERY TIME WE HAVE ANY CITY DEPARTMENT IN HERE STAFFING AND THE STRUGGLE TO FILL THE STAFFING POSITION FOR ALL DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE CITY IS A STRUGGLE WHICH MEANS I WOULD ASSUME MANY TIMES LIKE IF SOMEONE MENTIONED THE PARK STILL HAS TO CLEAN UP THE PARK. YOU KNOW THERE'S DEPARTMENTS THAT CAN'T JUST WAIT.  SO HOW MUCH AND I KNOW THE OVERALL NUMBER WOULD BE LESS BUT PERCENTAGE WISE DO OTHER DEPARTMENTS PAY OUT IN OVERTIME DUE TO THE FACT THAT THEY'RE UNDERSTAFFED? ALSO THERE IS A CORRELATION BETWEEN OVERTIME SPENDING AND STOP STAFFING POSITIONS BEING VACANT SO YOU'LL SEE THAT IN SORT OF FRONT LINE DEPARTMENTS. WELL ABSOLUTELY THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING I KNOW THERE IS WHAT I'M SAYING. WHAT ABOUT OTHER DEPARTMENTS ACROSS THE CITY LIKE HOW MUCH ARE WE SPENDING IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE TO FORCE IN SOMETIMES THEY DON'T WANT IT LIKE MANY TIMES THE POLICE ARE BEING FORCED. IT'S NOT JUST IT'S NOT ALWAYS WELCOME. SO HOW MUCH ARE WE SPENDING IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS?  YEAH IT'S I DON'T HAVE A SPECIFIC FIGURE IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW BUT IT IT DEPENDS ON THE DEPARTMENT AND WE ARE, YOU KNOW, AGGRESSIVELY WORKING THROUGH THE PEOPLE OPS CABINET TO TRY TO RESTRUCTURE POSITIONS, MAKE THEM MORE ATTRACTIVE, IMPROVE WE HAVE A WHOLE HIRING INITIATIVE JUST TO STREAMLINE THE WHOLE HIRING PROCESS. SO CAN YOU GET THAT NUMBER FOR US? WHAT WE'RE DOING IS PAID OUT IN OVERTIME ALL OF OUR CITY EMPLOYEES WITH THEIR DEPARTMENTS JUST SO WE COULD SEE WHICH DEPARTMENTS BE HELPFUL. SURE. THANK YOU.  THANK YOU AGAIN FOR BEING HERE. I'M ALL SET. YOU THANK YOU. COUNSELORS DOWN ON THE FLOOR. JOYCE THANK YOU, CHAIR I'M TRYING TO TAKE A MORE OF A STEP BACK HOLISTIC APPROACH TO THIS VERY COMPLEX MATTER, RIGHT. OF TRYING TO HOW DO YOU MAKE THIS WORK AND ALL THESE MOVING PIECES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.  THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A MULTI-PRONGED APPROACH TO REINING IN OVERTIME, RIGHT? THERE'S INCREASING STAFF WORKING OUT SPECIAL EVENTS AND LOOKING AT THE CATEGORIES OF WHAT'S AND IT'S NOT SO MUCH THE AMOUNT OF O.T. OR AMOUNT OF HOURS O.T. THAT WE'RE OVER TO ME AS IT IS WHAT ARE WE GETTING OUT OF THOSE HOURS?  RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT SORT OF LITMUS HERE THAT WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT AND THEN YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT BE LOOKING AT I WAS THINKING ABOUT TO POTENTIAL TO YOUR REPLACEMENT PERSONNEL THINKING ABOUT THAT AS THE BIT WHEN YOU SAID THAT EARLIER BUT WILL YOU'LL SEE OTHER GO UP LIKE EXTENDED TOURS AND COURT CODE OF COURT CODES GO UP I START THINKING ABOUT OKAY BUT IF THEY ARE THAT THAT THE O.T. THAT THEY'RE SPENDING IS WORK OUT ON THE STREET HOLDING PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE AND WE'RE SEEING A PUBLIC SAFETY RESULT OUT OF THAT. I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE REPLACEMENT PERSONNEL AGGRAVATING FOLKS HEY, I'M GOING ON VACATION. COVER ME. YOU GET OFF AND IT ALL WORKS OUT AND THAT'S HOW THE TAXPAYERS DOLLARS ARE BEING SPENT.  AND IF THAT'S THE BIGGEST COST THAT THAT'S TOUGH.  BUT IF WE ARE TO GET THAT REPLACEMENT PERSONNEL NUMBER TO GO DOWN WHICH MEANS AND AGAIN TO YOUR POINT OF HOW MUCH IS EXTENDED IN COURT CODE GO UP,  WE GOT TO ASSUME PEOPLE ARE OUT THERE MAKING ARRESTS OR NOT BUT THAT'S A HYPOTHETICAL. WE CAN'T REALLY TALK. BUT I WOULD I WOULD GATHER TO THINK THAT IT'S PROBABLY SUBSTANTIALLY OR MODERATELY LESS THAN THE COST OF THE REPLACEMENT PERSONNEL. RIGHT. SO OKAY, ALREADY EVEN IF YOU ARE AT A NET ZERO AT THE END OF THIS AND IT'S THE EXACT SAME AMOUNT OF OVERTIME AS BEFORE WOULD MAKING THESE CHANGES THE RESULT WE GET OUT OF IT IS NOT JUST OH BILLY GETS TO GO ON VACATION, WE'RE COVERING FOR HIM.  IT'S HEY, WE'VE DONE OUR WORK OUT ON THE STREET AND NOW WE ARE A SAFER ALREADY ONE OF THE SAFEST NOW EVEN SAFER CITIES IN AMERICA BECAUSE OF THAT OLD WORK AND I THINK THAT THAT IS WORTH THE MONEY TO BE QUITE HONEST. IT'S WORTH THE TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO TO TO MAKE THAT INVESTMENT.  AND I THINK IF YOU ASK FOLKS IF THAT'S HOW THE TAX DOLLARS WERE BEING PAID BEING USED THAT THEY WOULD APPRECIATE THAT THAT IT WOULD BE USED THEY SAY THAT WOULD BE MONEY WELL SPENT SO I WAS TRYING TO WRAP MY HEAD AROUND IT REALLY BECAUSE THEY SAID I SHOULD JUST IF YOU JUST THINK MONEYWISE OH MAYBE IT DOESN'T LEVEL OUT BUT I BET YOU THAT EXTENDED TOURS AND COURT CODE WHILE GOING UP DO NOT EQUAL THE AMOUNT OF THE DEFICIT THAT LOWERING REPLACEMENT PERSONNEL WOULD DO.  I ALSO THINK ABOUT IN ATTRACTING JOBS IN ATTRACTING THE CANDIDATES RIGHT AND THIS IS GETTING BACK TO OF THE STAFFING LEVELS YOU KNOW WE KNOW A LOT OF GUYS HAVE GONE OUT A LOT OF GUYS AND GIRLS HAVE GONE OUT FOR FIRE. THEY'VE RETIRED LIKE YOU SAID THEY HAVE RESIGNED EVEN MOST OF THAT WAS AFTER COLBY BUT STILL BEING A POLICE OFFICER IS A GOOD JOB. BUT WHEN YOU HAVE THE FOLKS TODAY THAT ARE BEING OVERWORKED, THEY'RE NOT BEING BACKED UP BY THE COURTS.  MORALE CAN BE LOW. WE'VE SEEN SOME CONDITIONS THAT ARE TOUGH TO WORK IN. RIGHT. AND YOU'VE GOT TO, YOU KNOW, BRAZENNESS ON THE RISE WELL,  NOT NECESSARILY VIOLENT CRIME BUT JUST MORE OF HAVING TO DEAL WITH SORT OF AN ATTITUDE BACK FROM FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND SOCIETY IS AS IS WHAT'S OCCURRING A LOT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ATTRACT A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH THAT BUT THE IN THE SENSE IF YOU GET THEM IN THERE AND WE SHOW HEY THIS IS A GOOD PAYING JOB WITH THE COURTS WILL YOU UP YOU DON'T YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE OVERWORKED AND BURNT OUT AND YOU'RE GOING TO YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR YOUR FAMILY LIVE IN THE CITY I HOPE ANY WAY RIGHT TO STAY IN THIS CITY AND RAISE YOUR FAMILY.  THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO GET THE THE ATTITUDE OF PERCEPTION OF POLICE BACK UP TO AND I THINK IT'S POSSIBLE BUT I THINK ONE STEP IS MAKING SURE THEY'RE NOT AS BURNT OUT AND I KNOW IT NOW. I STILL THINK WE CAN DO THAT. I STILL THINK WE CAN REACH THAT PERCEPTION WHILE ALSO NOT JUST PERCEPTION OR OUTREACH THAT REALITY SHOULD I SAY WHILE ALSO DIMINISHING THE COST SLIGHTLY EVEN BUT EVEN IF IT'S AT A SLIGHT COST AGAIN YOU'RE GETTING THAT BANG FOR YOUR BUCK RIGHT AT THE END YOU'RE GETTING THE RESULTS YOU WANT TO SEE FOR A SAFER CITY.  SO YOU KNOW, I GUESS I DON'T HAVE MANY QUESTIONS BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS UNDERSTOOD FROM HOW I FEEL FROM A PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE OF HOW THE POLICE CAN BOTH REIGN IN OVERTIME PAY BUT ALSO PROVIDE MORE QUALITY SERVICE AND ATTRACT BETTER CANDIDATES AND MORE CANDIDATES AND BETTER CANDIDATES.  BUT I GUESS JUST TWO QUICK QUESTIONS ARE THERE THE SPECIFIC POPULATIONS OR SUBSETS OF OFFICERS THAT ARE LEAVING EARLY?  WE TALKED ABOUT ARE THERE ANY OTHER WE TALKED ABOUT SORT OF THE RETIRING AGE. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF YOUNGER PEOPLE TRANSFERRING THE FIRE.  ARE THERE ANY OR EVEN JUST TRANSFERRING OUT TO MAYBE POTENTIALLY YOU KNOW, THEY HIT THEIR TEN YEARS AND WANT TO TRANSFER OUT TO ANOTHER POLICE FORCE.  IS THERE ANY OTHER SUBSET THAT WE'RE MISSING HERE THAT SORT OF REALLY MAKING A DENT IN KEEPING OUR NUMBERS UP?  NOT REALLY SURE. I MEAN ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE DEAL WITH IS THE CYCLICAL NATURE OF POLICE CAREERS AS WELL KNOW THE DEPARTMENT WENT THROUGH A VERY SIMILAR CRISIS IN THE EARLY AND MID EIGHTIES. IT WENT SPENT A TEN YEAR, IF YOU WILL, HIRING BINGE OF WHICH I WAS A PART. YEAH. AND ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE NOW THE SAME AGE I AM RIGHT THERE TIMING OUT THEY HAVE THEY'RE 32 YEARS MAYBE THEY'RE LIKE ME AND PROBABLY STILL GOING TO BE HERE AND WALK OUT AT 65 BUT THAT'S NOT THE REALITY MOST OF OUR RETIRE BETWEEN 55 AND 65 AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE HIRING ON A DECADES CYCLICAL BASIS YOU WILL SEE THAT BIG BULGE IN HIRING IN THE EIGHTIES TO EARLY NINETIES IS NOW TIMING OUT RIGHT THEN THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE THAT'S AGAINST MACRO FACTORS PUSHING THINGS IN THAT DIRECTION WHICH IS TO CHIEF O'BRIEN'S POINT ABOUT YOU KNOW THE AVERAGE AGE OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS IS GOING UP BY A YEAR EVERY YEAR YOU KNOW YEAH SO DO WE THINK SO THAT THAT ONE'S COMING TO A LARGE EXODUS WEEK IN ANTICIPATE RIGHT SO THEN WHERE WOULD THAT PUT US IN STAFFING.  I'D SAY IT WE CALL IT I DON'T KNOW IT'S CYCLICAL THE RETIREMENT IS X AMOUNT OF YEARS OUT FOR YOUR THAT AGE GROUP OF THE EIGHTIES FOR THE NEXT 3 TO 5 YEARS CALL IT IS THAT FAIR I THAT MIGHT BE A TIGHT TIMELINE BUT IT'S NOT A WHILE BUT YEAH WE NEED TO DO MORE HIRING WE NEED TO DO MORE HIRING JUST TO KEEP PACE I GUESS WHAT I'M ASKING IS AT THE CURRENT PACE THAT WE ARE SEEING CANDIDATE CANDIDATES COME IN RIGHT IF WE KNOW IN ESTIMATES CALL BETWEEN THREE AND SEVEN YEARS FROM NOW WE SEE A LARGER DROP OFF.  WE'RE GOING TO HAVE LESS STAFFING EVEN IF WE CAN ATTRACT MORE. AND I KNOW YOU'RE DOING GREAT EFFORTS TO ATTRACT AND ESPECIALLY FROM THOSE WHO LIVE IN THE CITY AND I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT I MEAN THERE COULD BE ACTUALLY MORE OF A DROP OFF COMING UP THEN THAT WE HAVE TO ANTICIPATE AND BE READY FOR IT. WE DO AND WE HAVE JIM AND HIS TEAM.  WE HAVE CONSTANT COMMUNICATION AT LOOKING AT THE ATTRITION LEVELS.  WE DO A LOT OF ANALYSIS BASED ON LIKE WHERE THEY ARE AS FAR AS THEIR AGE, THEIR YEARS OF SERVICE. SOME POLICE OFFICERS WANT TO STEAL 65 OTHERS AS SOON AS THEY HIT 55 AND 32 YEARS THAT THEY'RE THERE THEY'RE GONE.  BUT I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT ALTHOUGH WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH JUST THE ATTRITION LEVELS, IT'S NOT LIKE WE HAVEN'T BEEN FUNDED FOR ADDITIONAL OFFICERS BEYOND THOSE ATTRITION LEVELS. WE JUST CAN'T FILL THOSE NUMBERS RIGHT NOW.  SO OBM HAS WE WORKED WITH OBM TO GET CLASSES OF 2 TO 50 ON BUT WE CAN'T EVEN MAKE THOSE NUMBERS WHICH WOULD OFFSET THE ATTRITION RATE THAT WE'VE SEEN OF 131 AVERAGE. WELL I THINK I'LL JUST END ON FOR ANYONE THINKING ABOUT BEING A POLICE OFFICER IN THE CITY OF BOSTON, I THINK IT'S WELL WORTHWHILE TO TAKE A LOOK AT DOING SO. IT'S A SAFE CITY.  YOU KNOW, YOU SIGN UP TO DEAL WITH SOME B.S. BEING A POLICE OFFICER THAT IS THE JOB. SO DON'T LET THAT TURN YOU TURN YOU OFF TO APPLYING BUT THAT IT'S A GREAT CAREER. IT CAN IT CAN PROVIDE FOR YOUR FAMILY AND HOPEFULLY IF WE MAKE THESE ADJUSTMENTS IN THE FUTURE YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TIME TO BE WITH YOUR FAMILY AS WELL. AND I THINK THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT WILL ONLY CREATE MORE TIME WITH THE FAMILY ONLY TALK ABOUT CYCLICAL NATURE OF THINGS, MORE TIME WITH YOUR FAMILY HOPEFULLY CREATE A BETTER NEXT GENERATION AND THE COPS DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH AS MANY TROUBLED FOLKS GROWING UP BECAUSE THEY ADD THE LOVE AS A CHILD. SO I'LL END ON THAT NOTE AND THANK YOU AS ALWAYS FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING TO ASK YOU TO STAY AS WE GO TO PUBLIC TESTIMONY AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO QUESTIONS BUT WE'RE GOING TO GO TO PUBLIC TESTIMONY FIRST SO SO FIRST IN PERSON WE HAVE CHRISTIAN YEAH, WELL WE'RE PULLING IT UP NOW.  I THINK HE'S GOING TO COME ON THEN.  YEAH, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.  THANK YOU. MY NAME IS CHRISTIAN.  I AM FROM ROXBURY DISTRICT SIX AND I I'M GOING TO KEEP THIS SIMPLE.  THERE ARE SOME SOLUTIONS TO THIS PROBLEM.  ONE OF THEM THAT I WILL PRESENT WELL ONE OF THEM I WILL SAY IS CAPPING OVERTIME TO LIKE 10%.  I BELIEVE THERE IS A LAW ABOUT THAT ANNUAL SALARY CAP TO 10% THAT IS ALL I HAVE TO SAY THANK YOU MY GEORGE GEORGE LEE AND THEN SAM PEARCE AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZATION AFFILIATION AND THEN PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS TO 2 MINUTES.  OKAY? YEAH. SO I'M ACTUALLY SPEAKING FOR SOMEBODY ELSE BECAUSE SHE HAD TO LEAVE EARLY BUT VICTORIA AND WELL HER NAME IS VICTORIA AND SHE'S FROM DORCHESTER.  SHE SAYS THAT BOSTON POLICE OFFICERS MAKE LARGE AMOUNTS OF MONEY THROUGH OVERTIME. WE FOR A CAP ON OVERTIME SO THAT POLICE DON'T HAVE AN UNLIMITED SUPPLY OF WEALTH COMING IN FROM BOSTON TAXPAYERS INSTEAD OF HAVING BOSTON POLICE IN OUR CITY MAKING MORE MONEY WHY DON'T INVEST IN YOUTH JOBS TO HELP FIND A SOLUTION TO THE AMOUNT OF KIDS ON THE STREETS? I HAVE A 13 YEAR OLD COUSIN WHO WANTS TO FIND A YOUTH JOB WHEN HE IS ABLE TO. I WANT TO PROVIDE HIM A JOB WHEN HE'S OLDER THAT'S ABLE TO GIVE THEM A GOOD AND DECENT WAGE FOR A TEENAGER THAT COULD ALLOW HIM TO PAY FOR HIMSELF AND SUPPORT OUR FAMILY. BUT IT'S HARD TO THAT WHEN THERE'S WHEN THERE IS A LACK OF YOUTH JOBS THAT HAVE THE FUNDING AVAILABLE TO THEM WHICH COULD LEAD HIM OUTSIDE AFTER SCHOOL OR DURING THE SUMMER DOING WHATEVER HE WANTS. THAT'S BECAUSE WITHOUT PROVIDING RESOURCES TO YOUTH THEY ARE GOING TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT AND THAT'S NOT ONLY AND IT'S NOT ONLY YOUTH THAT'S FOR ANY AGE GROUP. THAT'S WHY WE CALL FOR MONEY TO BE PROVIDED TO YOUTH JOBS AND A CAP ON OVERTIME. THANK YOU.  THANK YOU GEORGE LEE, SAM AND THEN SAM PIERCE PIERCE.  HELLO. GOOD EVENING.  MY NAME IS GEORGE TILLEY. I'M AN ORGANIZER WITH YOUTH JUSTICE AND POWER UNION AND I KNOW SOME OF THIS WAS HIGHLIGHTED IN THE BEGINNING BUT JUST TO UNDERSCORE I MEAN THERE'S JUST SO MUCH JARGON IN GOING BACK AND FORTH ON THE ROAD SPECIFICS WHICH SOME OF THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT WHICH I'LL COME BACK TO BUT TO COME BACK TO THE REMINDER THAT FUNDAMENTALLY IT'S A PROBLEM THAT THERE'S SO MUCH BEING SPENT ON OVER TIME AND I THINK THAT'S GETTING LOST SOMETIMES IN SOME OF THE HAPPY TALK FROM THE POLICE $10 MILLION YOU SAID 66% OF THE 18 PERCENT OF SPECIAL EVENTS IS GOING TO BE ON YOUR CUSTOMERS.  MATTER OF $10 MILLION IS BEING POURED INTO POLICE PRESENCE THERE TO WHAT EFFECT?  IT'S NOT ADDRESSING THE ROOT CAUSES OVER TIME EITHER HITTING OR GETTING TO HUNDRED MILLION. THERE'S OVERTIME ABUSE. THERE'S 99 OFFICERS WHO MADE MORE THAN 100,000 A YEAR LAST YEAR AND OVERTIME THAT'S MORE THAN ENTIRE FAMILIES ARE MAKING WHO ARE STRUGGLING TO GET BY THE TOP OVER TIME AMOUNT FOR 222,000 FROM ONE OFFICER 181,000 174,000 HUNDRED 74,000 173,000 MORE THAN 2000 OFFICERS MADE OVERTIME MORE THAN 10% OF THEIR REGULAR PAY ABOUT 600 OFFICERS MADE MORE THAN HALF OF THEIR REGULAR PAID OVERTIME. SO THAT NEEDS TO BE CHANGED AND TO UNDERSCORE REMINDING WHAT THE MONEY COULD GO TO INSTEAD THE CITY COUNCILOR WORRELL SOME OF THE CITY COUNCIL FOUGHT TO GET GET MONEY INTO COMMUNITY INVESTMENTS LAST YEAR BUT $100 MILLION THAT'S ENOUGH FOR 11,000 HOUSING VOUCHERS.  $100 MILLION IS ENOUGH FOR 1000 JOBS FOR TRAINED COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO DO MENTAL HEALTH RESPONSE.  THE THE MAYOR HAS BEEN DENYING PEOPLE EVEN A SIMPLE $2.6 MILLION COMMUNITY LED MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS MENTAL HEALTH CRISIS RESPONSE PILOT THAT'S NOT BEST. THAT'S ACTUALLY COMMUNITY MEMBERS WHO ARE TRAINED TO DE-ESCALATE IN OTHER CITIES.  TENS OF THOUSANDS OF CALLS ARE REDIRECTED FROM POLICE.  $100 MILLION IS ENOUGH FOR 26,000 SUMMER JOBS, 12,000 SCHOOL YEAR JOBS. THAT'S WHAT ACTUALLY KEEPS PEOPLE SAFE.  WE DON'T GET MORE BANG FOR OUR BUCK BY INVESTING IN MORE POLICE. THAT'S ACTUALLY THE MOTIVATION OF SOME OF THESE CITY COUNCILORS WHO ARE FILING THESE HEARING ORDERS. IT'S NOT TO SAVE MONEY, IT'S NOT TO CUT OVERTIME. I FUNDAMENTALLY AND YOU HEAR TO HEAR THEM SAY THEY WANT MORE POLICE TO ARREST PEOPLE WHEN YOU HAVE MORE POLICE THERE'S ALREADY A DISPROPORTIONATE POLICE PRESENCE IN COMMUNITIES OF COLOR THAT ENDS UP HURTING PEOPLE INSTEAD OF HELPING PEOPLE GROW. SO I JUST WANT TO POINT TO SOME OF THE SOLUTIONS THAT INSTEAD OF JUST LETTING THE POLICE GOBBLE GOBBLE UP MORE OF THE BUDGET BECAUSE WHEN YOU WHEN YOU HIRE MORE POLICE, THAT'S MORE POLICE WHO TAKE VACATIONS WHO NOW HAVE OVERTIME SHIFTS THAT NEED TO BE FILLED RIGHT.  IT PROBABLY WON'T DECREASE REPLACEMENT OVERTIME.  AND IF YOU ASK PEOPLE IF YOU'D RATHER SPEND 500 MILLION ON POLICE OR WHETHER TO MOVE SOME OF THAT INTO HOUSING OR YOUTH JOBS OR MENTAL HEALTH, THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT CREATES PUBLIC SAFETY. SO SOME OF THE SOLUTIONS AS FOLKS MENTIONED AND SOME OF THE QUESTIONS SO ONE IS TO UNDERSTAND WHY POLICE ARE GETTING PAID SO MUCH OVERTIME WHEN THERE IS A MUNICIPAL CODE . IT SAYS TO ME GIVE YOU 30 MORE SECONDS. THANK YOU.  IT SAYS POLICE CAN'T GET MORE THAN 10% OF THEIR SALARY UNLESS IT'S EXPLICITLY APPROVED BY THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL . SO WHY IT WHY ARE POLICE HAVING AN EXCEPTION? IT'D BE GREAT TO HEAR AN ANSWER FROM YOU. ONE OF YOU SAID IT CAN SOME OF IT CAN BE MANAGED OPERATIONALLY NOT JUST THROUGH THE CONTRACT MAYOR WHO PUT IN HER PLATFORM THAT INDIVIDUAL CAPS ON OVERTIME PAY CAN PREVENT THE MOST EGREGIOUS ABUSES OF OVERTIME THAT WAS IN HER BLUEPRINT.  SO WHY HOW DO WE MAKE THAT CAP HAPPEN AND JUST DECREASE THE TOTAL HOURS BP IS ALLOWED TO USE? BUT WE NEED A LOT OF DATA.  WE DON'T JUST NEED ANECDOTES OR THESE BROAD 33% OF CATEGORIES.  WE NEED DETAILED SPREADSHEETS. WHAT IS EVERY SINGLE TIME THAT THE BP HAS AUTHORIZED OVERTIME WHAT IN YOUR BIWEEKLY MEETINGS WHEN YOU SAY YOU GEORGE, HOW MUCH OVERTIME CAN YOU SAY THANK YOU GEORGE AND FINALLY GEORGE THANK YOU FINALLY. GEORGE THANK YOU. A SPREADSHEET OF EVERY SHIFT THAT OFFICER OF WORKING ENERGY THANK YOU.  THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SAM PIERCE.  GOOD AFTERNOON. I WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO TESTIFY. THANK YOU TO THE THAT ARE HERE. THANK YOU TO THE POLICE OFFICERS THAT OBVIOUSLY KEEP US SAFE IN OUR CITY. I THINK THAT A LOT OF THESE DIFFICULTIES WITH STAFFING COULD REALLY BE SOLVED BY FOCUSING ON HIRING ABOUT A THOUSAND MORE SEE US SO OFFICERS THAT COULD DO WALKING PATROLS, MANAGE SPECIAL EVENTS AND FOCUS ON PARADES.  I THINK THAT WE COULD USE RETIRED BOSTON POLICE OFFICERS PAIRED WITH THE YOUTH THAT ARE ALREADY HAVE BEEN ENROLLED IN THE SUMMER BOSTON POLICE ACADEMIES WHICH THEY ALREADY HAVE A DATABASE FOR AND TEACH THEM HOW TO BECOME POLICE OFFICERS. I THINK THE OTHER ISSUE IS THAT HOUSING FOR POLICE THAT ARE MANDATED TO HAVE RESIDENCY FOR UP TO TEN YEARS NEEDS TO BE CAPPED AT HOPEFULLY 250,000 FOR CIVIL SERVANTS AND TEACHERS WHO ARE WORKING IN THE CITY OF BOSTON.  THAT WOULD ALLOW THREE FAMILY TO 14 FAMILY UNITS BY RIGHT UNDER THE ARTICLE 80 ZONING CHANGES THAT ARE ALREADY BEING DISCUSSED WITH THE PPD. THE OTHER THING IS THAT THE BOSTON HOUSING AUTHORITY SHOULD BE UTILIZED FOR RECRUITMENT FOR THE BOSTON POLICE SINCE THEY ALREADY HAVE RESIDENCY SINCE THEY ARE IN THE BOSTON HOUSING AND IN THAT ALONG THOSE LINES I'D LIKE TO SEE THERE BE CONSIDERATION AND OF MERGING THE BOSTON HOUSING POLICE AND THE BOSTON THE BOSTON PUBLIC HOUSING COMMISSION POLICE WITH THE BOSTON POLICE TO ALSO OFFSET SOME OF THE STAFFING ISSUES. THAT WOULD HELP WITH SOME OF THE MENTAL HEALTH BECAUSE THE BOSTON PUBLIC HOUSING COMMISSION POLICE ARE TRAINED WITH MENTAL HEALTH SO THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO HELP WITH THE BOSTON POLICE AS WELL AS THE BOSTON HOUSING POLICE WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL AS FAR AS COMMUNITY SERVICE RELATED CALLS SINCE THEY ARE TRAINED TO KNOW SOME OF THE INDIVIDUALS AT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY. BUT I THINK BY USING RETIRED POLICE OFFICERS TO HELP WITH SOME OF THE SPECIAL EVENTS ALONG WITH OUR YOUTH WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.  NOW WE'LL BRING LARRY CORDERO,  PRESIDENT OF THE UNION BPA INTO THE CONVERSATION AS A PANELIST . LARRY, IF YOU HAVE REMARKS OR PRESENTATION THE FLOOR IS NOW YOURS.  THANKS, COUNCILOR . COUNSELS ARE STILL PRESENT THERE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING PRESENT IN PERSON AS HAD A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON AT THE SAME TIME. BUT AS LONG AS HAVE BEEN AFTERNOON THAT I'VE WATCHING AND LISTENING TO YOU HAVE LET ME REASSURE YOU I'M HERE WITH YOU SO.  ALSO TO THE DEPUTY THE SUPER THE CIVILIANS AT THE TABLE THANK YOU VERY MUCH AS WELL. I'M EXTREMELY HAPPY TO HEAR THIS GOING ON. EVEN MORE ECSTATIC TO BE A PART OF THE CONVERSATION. AS ALL OF YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN PUBLICLY STATING WHAT'S BEING DISCUSSED HERE FOR THE LAST FOUR YEARS AND BETTER LATE THAN NEVER BECAUSE WE ARE IN A CRISIS. SO ECHO WHAT COMMISSIONER COX HAS SAID WE'RE IN A HEALTH AND WELLNESS CRISIS. WE'RE IN A STAFF IN CRISIS. WE'RE IN A HIGHER IN CRISIS. THOSE TRUE NUMBERS THAT WE WENT THROUGH I THINK COUNCIL A DURKAN HAD THEM THE MOST ACCURATE AND I'M GOING TO USE THE BPD NUMBERS THEMSELVES. WE'RE SHORT 582 OFFICERS, 582 MEN AND WOMEN THAT ANSWER THE CALLS FOR SERVICE IN THE CITY OF BOSTON. THAT'S TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE. THERE IS A CORRELATION BETWEEN OUR OVERTIME BUDGET AND THE AMOUNT OF OFFICERS WE HAVE ON THE STREET. I TRIED TO TAKE GOOD NOTES AS WE WERE GOING. I THINK DEPUTY HUMPHREYS HIT IT BEST NO MATTER WHERE WE TAKE OFFICERS FROM FROM ONE UNIT TO ANOTHER FROM ONE SHIFT TO ANOTHER IT CREATES VACANCY.  THE REASON IT CREATES THAT VACANCY IS BECAUSE WE ARE SHORT OVER 500 OFFICERS. THE CORRELATION IS VERY SIMPLE . WE NEED MORE BODIES ON THE STREET. IT'S A HEALTH AND SAFETY CRISIS FOR THESE OFFICERS. AS COUNCILOR OF FLYNN STATED, NO ONE SHOULD WORK 18 HOURS A DAY. I WOMEN AND MEN IN UNIFORM ARE WORKING DOUBLE SHIFTS ALL WEEK LONG 8090 HOURS MOST OF IT BEING ORDERED. NOBODY SHOULD WORK THAT AMOUNT OF HOURS STRAIGHT.  AND AGAIN, IF WE HAD THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF BODIES THERE WOULDN'T BE SUCH A HIGH OVERTIME RATE. I BELIEVE COUNCILOR FITZGERALD ALSO POINTED OUT THAT YES, WE MAY HAVE AN UPTICK IN ARREST AND AN UPTICK IN SOME QUARTER OVER TIME BUT THE RESULTS ARE WHAT KEEP THE CITY OF BOSTON ONE OF THE SAFEST IN THE COUNTRY. AND IT'S JUST IT'S NOT JUST UNION JARGON OR PRESIDENTIAL SPEECH. THAT'S FACT THAT'S OUT THERE IN A NATIONAL NEWS STORY AS WE ALL KNOW.  SO OUR POPULATION HAS GROWN, OUR CALLS FOR SERVICE HAVE GROWN BUT OUR NUMBERS HAVE DWINDLED. WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT. THE ONE THING THAT I HAVEN'T HEARD AND I MIGHT HAVE MISSED IT WAS OUT OF THE NUMBERS THAT THE DEPARTMENT HAS IDENTIFIED FOR SWORN PERSONNEL RIGHT NOW. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYBODY SAY HOW THAT IS NOT TRUE. OUR RANK AND FILE THAT ARE ANSWERING THE CALLS FOR SERVICE. SO I WANT TO POINT THAT OUT.  THAT IS ALL SWORN PERSONNEL FROM THE SUPERINTENDENT DOWN TO THE PATROL OFFICER, PATROL OFFICERS, DETECTIVES, SOME SUPERVISORS ARE ANSWERING CALLS OUT THERE BUT NOT EVERYBODY.  SO THE NUMBERS ARE SOMEWHAT SKEWED. THE ACTUAL AMOUNT OF BODIES THAT WE HAVE ARE AT A MINIMUM. I HAD PREPARED A LITTLE BIT OF A REPRESENTATION BUT I WANTED TO GET THROUGH SOME OF THOSE PIECES THAT I TOOK FROM THE CONVERSATION.  SORRY I FELT LIKE I WAS MISSING COUNCILWOMAN JERKIN OC REPRESENTING THE BOSTON POLICE PATROLMEN'S ASSOCIATION. WE REPRESENT ROUGHLY A LITTLE OVER 1500 MEN AND WOMEN THAT ANSWERED THE CALLS FOR SERVICE . THOSE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE BPP CAN NOT AND SHOULD NOT BE ASKED CONTINUALLY TO DO MORE WITH LESS. IT'S NOT FAIR TO THE MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORM IT'S NOT FAIR TO THEIR FAMILIES. WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO DO MORE WITH LESS FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS AND THEY'VE DELIVERED THE PATROL OFFICERS THE PEOPLE THAT ANSWERED THESE EMERGENCY CALLS . THEY ARE THE OFFICERS THAT HAVE MADE THIS CITY THE SAFEST IN THE COUNTRY. AGAIN, I'M GOING TO POINT OUT THAT'S NOT JUST MY RHETORIC.  THAT IS A NATIONAL FACT STORY THAT YOU'RE ALL REFERRING TO TODAY.  FURTHERMORE, I'LL ADD IN WHAT WE ALREADY KNOW THIS BPP LEADERSHIP TEAM ALONG WITH MAYOR WU AND HER TEAM JUST DELIVERED A HISTORIC COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT THAT MANY OF YOU HAVE CHAMPIONED AND ALL OF YOU HAVE VOTED TO FUND. WE SHOULD BE DOING THAT AGAIN.  WE SHOULD BE SITTING DOWN AND COLLABORATING WITH ONE ANOTHER NOT JUST WITH THE DEPARTMENT HIERARCHY BUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE.  WITH MY ORGANIZATION, MYSELF, MY TEAM AND HOPEFULLY THE OTHER UNIONS BEHIND ME WE SHOULDN'T KEEP BEING ASKED TO DO MORE WITH LESS. WE SHOULDN'T BE ASKED TO WORK 18 HOURS STRAIGHT EVERY DAY THAT WE COME TO WORK. WE SHOULD NOT BE ORDERED IN CONSISTENTLY ON OUR DAYS OFF AND WE DEFINITELY SHOULD NOT BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY THAN OTHER FIRST RESPONDER ORGANIZATIONS. WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS MORE DIRECTLY WE SHOULD BE PRACTICING WHAT WE PREACH ALL OF US EQUALITY AND TRANSPARENCY . IF THE CITY CAN MAKE AGREEMENTS WITH OUR EMS DIVISION, THE BPA EMS DIVISION TO LIFT THE RESIDENCY POLICY SO THAT THEY CAN DOUBLE THEIR CLASS SIZES IN HIRING SO THEY CAN ATTRACT BETTER CANDIDATES TO MAKE THE CITIZENS OF BOSTON SAFER, THEN SURELY THEY CAN DO THAT WITH THE BOSTON POLICE PATROLMEN'S ASSOCIATION. LIKEWISE WITH OUR 911 OPERATORS IN BOSTON POLICE HEADQUARTERS,  ANOTHER SEPARATE ORGANIZATION WHERE THE CITY HAS MANAGED TO LIFT THE RESIDENCY POLICY FOR THAT ORGANIZATION AGAIN FIRST RESPONDERS FIRST RESPONDER ORIENTED. WHY ARE THEY BEING TREATED DIFFERENTLY THAN THE MEN AND WOMEN THAT I SEE? AND NEXT TO WEAR IN THE SAME UNIFORM? WE SHOULD ALL BE TREATED THE SAME. WE DESERVE IT. THE CITIZENS IN BOSTON DESERVE IT AND WE CAN DEFINITELY DOUBLE OUR CLASS SIZES. IF WE COULD JUST WORK TOGETHER TO LIFT THE POLICY, SUSPEND THE POLICY AND OPEN IT UP TO IMMEDIATELY GET LATERAL TRANSFERS, I'M SURE WE ALL KNOW I'VE TESTIFIED IN FRONT OF THIS BODY BEFORE WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY UNDER COMMISSIONER COX TO GAIN 60 IMMEDIATE BODIES. WE GAINED THREE.  IT'S EMBARRASSING. WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET OVER 50 FULLY TRAINED POST CERTIFIED POLICE OFFICERS FREE OF CHARGE FOR THE CITY OF BOSTON AND WE CHOSE NOT TO LIFT THE RESIDENCY POLICY. THEREFORE THOSE OFFICERS DID NOT LATERAL HERE.  I'M IMPLORING AND I'M ASKING THIS COUNCIL VERY STRONGLY MEET WITH ME , MEET WITH MY TEAM,  SIT DOWN PERSONALLY AND LET'S DISCUSS LIKE I DID WITH THE MAYOR AND HER TEAM, THE COMMISSIONER AND HIS TEAM ON THE CBA. SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE OR MAYBE MORE IMPORTANT ISSUES OR OTHER ISSUES THAT YOU WANT TO DISCUSS WITH ME ABOUT THE CBA WE SHOULD BE WORKING TOGETHER TO MAKE THE CITY OF BOSTON TO CONTINUALLY BE THE BEST AND SAFEST CITY IN AMERICA. AND MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT WE ARE AT THE PINNACLE RIGHT NOW OF THE SAFEST CITY IN AMERICA BECAUSE OF THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE BOSTON POLICE PATROLMEN'S ASSOCIATION.  THE MEN AND WOMEN THAT ARE OVERWORKED. THE MEN AND WOMEN THAT CONTINUALLY BEING ASKED TO DO MORE WITH LESS AND CONTINUALLY SHOW UP AND ANSWER THOSE CALLS FOR SERVICE EVERY TIME SOMEBODY PICKS UP THAT PHONE OR EVERY TIME ORDERED TO DO SO. SO I ASK YOU IN CLOSING OF MY LETTER PLEASE BE PART OF THE SOLUTION INCLUDE US IN THE CONVERSATION AND I'M VERY THANKFUL FOR IT AND I WILL REMAIN AND TRY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION THAT ANY COUNCILOR HAS. AS FAR AS THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT OR THE PATROLMEN'S ASSOCIATION IN GENERAL, I APPRECIATE THE TIME . THANK YOU. NOW I'LL GO TO COUNCILORS FOR QUESTIONS FOR LARRY CALDERON COUNCIL COUNCILOR FLYNN.  THANK YOU, MR CHAIR AND THANK YOU TO LARRY AND TO YOUR TEAM AND JANEY HAS BEEN HERE AS WELL LISTENING TO THE CONVERSATION.  I ALSO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE CERTAINLY THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE ENTIRE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT BUT ALSO THE LEADERSHIP OF THE BOSTON POLICE PATROLMEN'S ASSOCIATION, THE SUPERIOR OFFICERS AS WELL, THEIR UNION AND THE DETECTIVES UNION ALSO FOR THEIR FOR THEIR IMPORTANT WORK.  LARRY, I TALKED A LOT ABOUT OFFICERS WORKING 16 HOURS A DAY CONSISTENTLY THROUGHOUT THE WEEK. WHAT IS THE RESPONSE FROM YOUR MEMBERS? MORE IMPORTANTLY, LARRY, WHAT'S THE RESPONSE FROM THE MEMBERS ABOUT THE WHAT IMPACT IS THIS HAVING ON THEIR FAMILIES, ON THEIR CHILDREN, ON THEIR SPOUSE, YOUR ORDER TO WORK AN EXTRA SHIFT IN YOUR YOU NEEDED TO TAKE YOUR CHILD TO A BASEBALL HIS BASEBALL GAME OR YOUR DAUGHTER'S PRACTICE SAID RECITAL.  WHAT'S THE RESPONSE FROM SOME OF YOUR MEMBERS AS IT RELATES TO THOSE TYPES OF QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES FOR YOUR FAMILY ? THEY'RE ABSOLUTELY FRUSTRATED COUNCILOR AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAID TODAY AND THE OTHER COUNCILOR IS THAT WHAT THEY ARE SAYING AND THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE POINTING OUT ARE OUR MEMBERS ARE FRUSTRATED. THEY LOVE BEING POLICE OFFICERS. THEY LOVE SERVING THE GENERAL PUBLIC BUT THEY'RE EXTREMELY FRUSTRATED WHEN THEY'RE TRYING TO BE A PARENT AS WELL. EVERYONE WANTS TO MAKE THEIR KIDS BALL GAME THEIR GRADUATION A PARTY FOR SOMEBODY IN THE FAMILY. BUT OUR MEMBERS ON THEIR DAYS OFF ALMOST ALL SUMMER LONG ARE BEING ORDERED INTO WORK. THEY CAN'T AVOID IT. I MEAN I DON'T KNOW ANYONE THAT'S LISTENING TO THIS SITTING IN THAT CROWD THAT WANTS TO COME TO WORK ON THEIR TWO DAYS OFF ON A BEAUTIFUL WEEKEND INSTEAD OF GOING TO A FAMILY PARTY OR TO THEIR KID'S BALL GAME. WHY SHOULD A POLICE OFFICER BE TREATED OR EXPECTED TO DO DIFFERENTLY THAN ANYONE ELSE? SO SO THEY'RE FRUSTRATED COUNCILOR AND THAT'S WHY YOU HEAR ME TAKING A MORE AGGRESSIVE STANCE AND A MORE AGGRESSIVE PRESENTATION THAN YOU'VE PROBABLY HEARD ME ON THE RADIO OR IN FRONT OF YOUR BODY THERE PHYSICALLY IN THE PAST THAT I'M EXTREMELY HAPPY TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AND ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS OPENLY AND HAVE A DISCUSSION BECAUSE I'VE BEEN BEATEN THIS DRUM FOR FOUR YEARS. AT ONE POINT WE WERE DOWN THREE OR 400 BODIES. I'M ASTOUNDED TO HEAR THE DEPARTMENT'S NUMBERS OF 582 OFFICERS THAT WERE SHOT.  THAT IS INCREDIBLE.  THANK YOU, LARRY. LARRY, THE OTHER THE OTHER ISSUE AS IT RELATES TO THIS I'M I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE HEALTH, THE PHYSICAL HEALTH, THE MENTAL HEALTH OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS IN THEIR FAMILIES. BUT WHAT IMPACT IS THIS HAVING ON OUR POLICE OFFICERS? THEIR FAMILY AS IT COMES TO THEIR THEIR PHYSICAL HEALTH, THEIR MENTAL HEALTH?  IT IS AN EXTREME BURDEN THAT THE MEN AND WOMEN ARE CARRYING AROUND WITH THEM. COUNCILOR , AS ALL OF YOU HAVE SEEN. NOT ONLY ARE WE LOSING NUMBERS TO BASIC ATTRITION PER OFFICERS THAT ACHIEVED AT 32 YEARS MAYBE THEY'RE HITTING 6065 YEARS OLD. BUT WE HAVE YOUNG OFFICERS THAT THE CITY OF BOSTON SPENDS UPWARDS OF $750,000 TO TRAIN TO GO TO THE ACADEMY TO PUT THROUGH THE STREET AND TO PUT A UNIFORM ON AND PUT THEM OUT THERE AND THEY'RE LEAVING IN DROVES TO GO TO OTHER JOBS. THEY'RE LEAVING FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. THEY'RE LEAVING FOR THE PRIVATE SECTOR. THEY'RE LEAVING BECAUSE THEY'RE FRUSTRATED AND THEY'RE THEY'RE MENTALLY ANGUISHED AT THE AMOUNT OF HOURS THEY'RE FORCED TO WORK.  IT'S IT'S NOT LIKE YEARS AGO WHERE PEOPLE CAME ON HERE AND THEY HAD A SPLIT SHIFT AS THE SUPERINTENDENT POINTED OUT. IT USED TO BE YOU CAME ON THE JOB. YOU KNEW THAT THEY WOULD CHANGE YOUR SHIFT. YOU KNEW THEY'D CALL YOU AT 4:00 AND SAY HEY, I'M SORRY , LARRY, BUT YOU'RE COMING IN AT EIGHT TOMORROW. THROUGH THE YEARS COLLECTIVE BARGAINING HAS BEEN AN ASSET TO THE MEN AND WOMEN THAT I NOW REPRESENT TO MAKE LIFE BETTER FOR THEM AND THEIR FAMILY. AND THAT'S THE EXPECTATION THAT ANYONE HAS IN THEIR JOB AT THE OFFICE IS TO COME IN NOW AND KNOW THAT IF I COME IN ON DAY ONE OF MY WEEK'S ROTATION I KNOW THAT I'M WORKING 18 HOURS EVERY DAY THAT I'M THERE AND IF I'M SOMEHOW LUCKY ENOUGH TO GET MY DAY OFF I MIGHT BE ABLE TO GO TO MY KID'S BALL GAME. THAT HAS TAKEN A HUGE MENTAL TOLL ON THE MEN AND WOMEN I REPRESENT. HEY LARRY, ONE FINAL QUESTION.  A POLICE OFFICER THAT I KNOW TALKED TO ME A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. HE'S HE'S MARRIED. HIS SPOUSE IS A POLICE OFFICER SO THE COUPLE HAVE HAVE A COUPLE OF KIDS.  WHAT DOES THE CONTRACT SAY IF IF BOTH OF THE IF THE COUPLE IS AT WORK AT THE SAME TIME BOTH ARE ORDERED TO TO WORK DOUBLE SHIFTS, IT'S HAVING A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT. I UNDERSTAND FROM FROM MANY POLICE OFFICERS IS THAT THEY'RE MARRIED TO EACH OTHER BUT IT'S HAVING A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON HEALTH.  IT'S ON THEIR MARRIAGE, ON THEIR FAMILY. WHAT ARE YOU HEARING ABOUT THAT, LARRY? THE SAME COUNSELOR AND I THANK YOU I KNOW MANY OF YOU ARE OUT THERE WITH THE CONSTITUENTS AND I KNOW YOU TALK TO MY MEMBERSHIP JUST LIKE MYSELF AND MY LEADERSHIP TEAM WHILE WE'RE OUT THERE WE'RE STOPPING AND TALKING TO PEOPLE ON THE STREET. THE STRESS THAT IT'S CREATING FOR THE MEN AND WOMEN TO BE AWARDED ON THE SAME SHIFTS AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY'RE GOING TO GET SOMEBODY TO WATCH THEIR KIDS, FEED THEM DINNER, HELP THEM WITH THEIR HOMEWORK, PICK THEM UP FROM SCHOOL.  IT'S A I'M STRUGGLING NOT TO USE THE SAME ADJECTIVE EVERY TIME BUT BUT THE MENTAL ANGUISH THAT WE'RE CREATING FOR FOR THESE MEN AND WOMEN IN UNIFORM ,WE SHOULDN'T BE ENGAGING IN IT. AND I SAID WE'RE CREATING IT. WE BEING THE DEPARTMENT, THE CITY OFFICIALS, WE CREATING OR HAVE CREATED THIS MONSTER IN THIS CRISIS THAT WE'RE IN. FOR YEARS I'VE BEEN BEGGING THE DEPARTMENT AND THE CITY TO ADDRESS THE SHORTAGE OF POLICE OFFICERS. WE'RE FINALLY THERE AND I'M GOING TO COMMEND MAYOR WU, COMMISSIONER COX.  THEY'VE ATTEMPTED OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS THE FIRST TWO YEARS OF THE MAYOR'S TERM TO HIRE BODIES. SHE HAS DONE THAT. THE PROBLEM THAT WE HEAR FROM THE DEPARTMENT THEMSELVES AS WE HIRE IN 150 135 WOULD GRADUATE AND 100 BUT THE ATTRITION RATE IS 130. NO MATTER HOW MANY WE'RE HIRING IN THESE CLASSES OF 100 WE'RE LOSING BODIES FASTER THAN WE CAN HIRE THEM. THAT'S WHY I'M BEATING THE DRUM ON THE RESIDENCY POLICY. IF WE CAN LIFT IT FOR THE OTHER TWO UNION ORGANIZATION SO THAT THEY CAN GET UP CLOSER TO MAYBE NOT FULL STRENGTH BUT A MINIMUM STRENGTH WHY AREN'T WE HAVING THAT CONVERSATION WITH ME AND MY TEAM?  WHY AREN'T WE DOING THAT? THANK THANK YOU, LARRY. AND MY FINAL COMMENT NOT A QUESTION. I'M AGAINST THE RESIDENCY. I THINK IT'S HURTING HURTING RECRUITING, RETENTION. I THINK WE SHOULD ABOLISH RESIDENCY ACROSS THE CITY. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR . AMERICAN SOLDIERS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, LARRY, FOR BEING HERE AND I LIKE THAT YOU WERE TAKING NOTES.  YOU WERE LISTENING ALL THAT TIME. WHAT I DO. YES.  WHAT YOU DO? YES. COUNSELOR FLYNN TOUCHED ON MOST OF THE POINTS I WANTED TO SAY BUT I TALK TO AND SEE YOUR MEMBERSHIP ALL THE TIME WHEN I'M OUT IN THE COMMUNITY AND YOU KNOW THE STRESS AND THE AMOUNT, YOU KNOW, DIVORCES AND YOU KNOW, WE TALK A LOT ON THIS COUNCIL ABOUT CARING ABOUT MENTAL HEALTH AND PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, A SAFE WORK ENVIRONMENT AND IT'S NOT SAFE IF YOU'RE HAVING TO WORK ALL THESE HOURS AND OUR PATTING OURSELVES ON THE BACK FOR BEING ONE OF THE SAFEST LARGE CITIES IN THE COUNTRY IS GOING TO CHANGE QUICKLY BECAUSE I CAN ONLY IMAGINE IF WE'RE DOWN OVER 500 POLICE OFFICERS THAT EVERY DAY YOU'RE ALL VERY NERVOUS THAT SOMETHING BAD CAN REALLY HAPPEN BECAUSE WEAR STRETCHED THIN LIKE WE TALKED EARLIER. WE'RE PULLING SPECIALIZED UNITS TO FILL SHIFTS AND AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE SO MANY MORE EVENTS. POPULATION IS GROWING. I MEAN IT JUST SEEMS LIKE IT'S A RECIPE FOR DISASTER AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK HERE AND SAY WELL, WE SAW IT COMING . WE TOLD PEOPLE IT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN. SO THANK YOU FOR BEING SO PASSIONATE. I KNOW THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE EXPECTED TO DO BUT MAKING SURE THAT GOING FORWARD I KNOW IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE LOOK AT THE NUMBERS BUT NIT PICKING 15 MINUTES HERE OR WAS IT FORCED OR NOT FORCED OR HOW MUCH CAN WE SAVE IF WE PUT YOU KNOW, SOMEONE ON THIS SHIFT OR MOVE IT AROUND AT THE END OF THE DAY OUR OUR POLICE FORCE IS OVERWORKED, STRESSED OUT AND OBVIOUSLY WE SHOULD BE COMMENDING THEM EVERY DAY WHEN WE'RE THE SAFEST CITY AND I DON'T KNOW ANYONE WHO DOESN'T UPLIFT AND TALK ABOUT THE GREAT WORK OUR COMMUNITY POLICE OFFICERS DO ALSO. SO THANK YOU TO YOU AND YOUR MEMBERSHIP AND KNOW THAT WE'RE HERE TO CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE TO GET THIS BETTER. I APPRECIATE THEIR COUNCILOR AND IF I COULD ADD A COUPLE OF THINGS BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. MR CHAIRMAN, AS MUCH AS I APPRECIATE THE SENTIMENTS OF COUNCIL OF FLYNN, I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT I'M MAKING AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE ORGANIZATION, I'M WILLING TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS TO LIFT MODIFY THE RESIDENCY POLICY AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. I'M NOT SITTING HERE SAYING HEY, LET'S ABOLISH IT. I'M SAYING LET'S TREAT OUR MEN AND WOMEN AND OUR ORGANIZATION LIKE WE'VE TREATED THE OTHER FIRST RESPONDERS SO THAT WE CAN GET BODIES HERE FASTER.  AND AT THE SAME TIME I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE I APOLOGIZE I DON'T KNOW HER TITLE LISA O'BRIEN WHO MENTIONED EARLIER A STATE OF 1100 OFFICERS THAT ARE OVER THE AGE OF 40.  LET ME BRING TO THE ATTENTION A LITTLE BIT MORE DIRECTLY WHAT THAT MEANS. WE HAVE CLASSES FROM 89, 90, 91, 93 THAT ARE ALL UP AND ELIGIBLE TO WALK OUT THE DOOR TOMORROW IF THERE'S A CATASTROPHIC EVENT, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT SETS THESE OFFICERS OFF AND THEY ALL JUST DECIDE OR EVEN HALF OF THEM DECIDED TOMORROW I'M ALL DONE.  YOU THINK WE HAVE A CRISIS NOW? WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING YET.  WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING AND WE NEED TO DO IT FAST.  COUNCIL MEMBER THE FLOOR IS YOURS.  THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHAIR AND AND THANK YOU UNION PRESIDENT FOR FOR TALKING TO US TODAY AND TAKING THE TIME TO STICK AROUND ALL AFTERNOON BUT I GUESS HAVE YOU DONE AN ANALYSIS ABOUT YOU KNOW WHAT ADDING YOU KNOW THE 500 PLUS OFFICERS WOULD HAVE ON OVERTIME SPENDING. I HAVE NOT.  COUNCIL THANK YOU FOR THE ACKNOWLEDGMENT. NO, I HAVE NOT DONE AN ANALYSIS ON THE COST SAVINGS OR THE COSTS OF IT NOR AM I HERE IN A NORMAL RANT SAYING HEY, WE HAVE TO HIRE 582 RIGHT NOW. BUT MY MY MY STATEMENTS OVER THE LAST FOUR YEARS IS HEY, WE'RE SHORT 400. WHERE DOES THAT NUMBER COME FROM? HOWEVER, I HAVE JUST SHY OF 1600 WOMEN AND MEN IN UNIFORM THAT ANSWER THOSE 91 CALLS THAT HISTORICALLY HAS BEEN UP AROUND 2000. WE HAVE A CITY CHARTER THAT CALLS FOR 2500. WE'RE WOEFULLY DISGRACEFULLY UNDER THAT. BUT I CAN TELL YOU IN SIMPLE MATHEMATICAL TERMS AND TO ECHO THE DEPUTY SUPERINTENDENT WHO IS SECOND IN COMMAND IN BFS, THE FIELD SERVICES BRANCH WHERE ROBBING PETER TO PAY PAUL WE'RE TAKING THE BODY FROM ONE PLACE, MOVING IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, CREATING OVERTIME AND THAT ORIGINAL POST THERE'S NO WAY TO GET AROUND IT IN SIMPLE MATH I MEAN I APPRECIATE DATA AS WELL BUT WE DON'T NEED A SPREADSHEET OR 18 MONTHS OF DATA BACKGROUND RESEARCH TO FIGURE OUT THAT WE'RE $40 MILLION OVER BUDGET. WE'RE CLOSE TO A $100 MILLION BUDGET AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO OVERSPEND BECAUSE THE DEPUTY HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD.  THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL CONTINUE TO ANSWER CALLS FOR SERVICE IF SOMEBODY PICKS UP THE PHONE AND THEY'RE IN TROUBLE. WHITCOMB AND I BELIEVE NOW IT JUST CAME TO MY MIND COUNCIL IT WAS COUNCIL IT DURKAN WHO MADE THE COMMENT SHE IS ABSOLUTELY CORRECT NO MATTER WHAT THIS BODY SAYS OR WHAT TRANSPIRES FROM HERE ON OUT BY LAW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WILL CONTINUE TO PAY THE AMOUNT OF MONEY IN THE OVERTIME THAT THEY SPEND IT LOSH IS CORRECT. HOWEVER, INSTEAD OF DEALING IN CONVERSATIONS WITH ULTIMATUMS ARE WHAT SOMEBODY ELSE MIGHT CONSIDER AN INSINUATED THREAT THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M HERE TO DO. I'M HERE TO SAY PLEASE LET'S WORK TOGETHER. LET'S FIND A WAY TO DOUBLE OUR CLASS SIZES.  I'M NOT SAYING 582 TOMORROW BUT 130 IS NOT TAKING CARE OF THE AMOUNT OF BODIES LEAVING.  SO WE NEED 260. WE NEED TWO BIG CLASSES. WE NEED THEM RIGHT NOW SO THAT WE CAN GAIN A NET OF 100 BODIES A YEAR FOR THE NEXT THREE OR FOUR YEARS THAT THAT CAN GET US TO THE NUMBER THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE PALATABLE THAT WILL ALLOW MEN AND WOMEN TO GO HOME AND SEE THEIR CHILDREN AND NOT WORK 90 HOURS A WEEK AND IN IN RETURN IT WILL DECREASE YOUR OVERTIME BUDGET BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT HIGHER IN THOSE BODIES ON OVERTIME. OKAY. WELL SO CERTAINLY MY YOU KNOW I THINK EVERYONE HERE WHEN AN OFFICER IS WORKING 18 HOURS A DAY, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT WE DO HAVE TWO KINDS OF OVERTIME. YOU KNOW, THERE'S MANDATORY OVERTIME AND THERE CERTAINLY APPEARS TO BE VOLUNTARY OVERTIME. WE HEARD FROM PUBLIC TESTIMONY, YOU KNOW, MAYBE 600 OFFICERS, A THIRD OF THE OF THE FORCE ARE EARNING OVER $100,000 A YEAR AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS BUT YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED. I KNOW WE'VE SEEN REPORTS THE TOP TEN MAKE YOU KNOW, CLOSE TO $200,000 A YEAR IN OVERTIME. WHAT DO YOU TELL YOUR MEMBERS ABOUT THAT? IS THAT I MEAN I KNOW IT'S YOUR JOB TO ADVOCATE FOR THEM AND YOU KNOW, PART OF THAT IS MAKING SURE THEY EARN AS MUCH AS THEY CAN AND CERTAINLY I DON'T BEGRUDGE ANYBODY FOR, YOU KNOW, DOING THE JOB AND AND AND MAKING A GOOD LIVING AT IT AND CERTAINLY THEY'RE DOING VITAL WORK HERE AND THEY DESERVE EVERY PENNY.  BUT WHAT DO YOU IT'S IT'S KIND OF IT'S HARD TO RECONCILE THE YOU KNOW WE'VE GOT PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE 18 HOURS THEY DON'T WANT TO BE OUT THERE. THEY WANT TO BE THERE WITH THEIR FAMILY WITH A SIZABLE GROUP OF OF OFFICERS WHO SEEM TO BE, YOU KNOW, ENJOY THAT THE SYSTEM AND HOW IT WORKS. AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN WHAT'S YOUR RESPONSE TO THE PERCEPTION IN THAT THERE'S LOTS OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE EATING UP ALL THE VOLUNTARY OVERTIME THAT THEY CAN FIND AND WHAT'S WHAT DO YOU TELL YOUR MEMBERS ABOUT THAT? I APPRECIATE THAT.  THANK YOU. GREAT QUESTION. THE ANSWER IS THREEFOLD, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE. FIRST OFF, YES, THERE ARE OFFICERS THAT ARE WILLING TO WORK THAT WILL GO OUT THERE AND WORK HARD AND PUT IN THE HOURS TO MAKE WHATEVER FINANCES THAT ARE GOOD FOR THEM AND THEIR FAMILY. THERE ARE THOSE OFFICERS. HOWEVER THE SUPER MAJORITY OF OFFICERS THAT YOU'RE HEARING ABOUT THAT INVOLVE CARING FOR OVERTIME EXCUSE ME THOSE SLIPS ARE ACCURATE.  THEY ARE VOLUNTEER SLIPS. THEY ARE VOLUNTEERING BECAUSE IF YOU WORK IN WEST ROXBURY, JAMAICA PLAIN, SOUTH BOSTON, WHEREVER YOU ARE, YOU WANT TO WORK IN YOUR DISTRICT FOR THE MOST PART. SO WHEN ALL THE TIME IS UP AND AVAILABLE IF WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HIRE EIGHT BODIES IN THE HIGH PARK STATION FOR THE HIGH PARK OFFICERS CAN EITHER VOLUNTEER TO TAKE THAT IN THEIR OWN STATION WHERE THEY'RE DOING THEIR DAY TO THEIR FIRST HALF AND JUST STAY AND DOUBLE UP OR THEY CAN CHANCE NOT GETTING ORDERED AND THEY CAN GET ORDERED IN JAMAICA PLAIN IN WEST ROXBURY OR IF YOU'RE IN SOUTHIE YOU CAN GET ORDERED IN DORCHESTER. SO A LOT OF OFFICERS ARE COMPLAINING TO ME THAT THEY HAVE TO VOLUNTEER AND TAKE A TOUR ARE ALSO GOING TO BE ORDERED AND SHIPPED TO ANOTHER PART OF THE CITY. SO THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING SOME OF THE VOLUNTEER HOURS THAT THEY ARE CORRECT. THE VOLUNTEER HOURS BUT THEY ARE THEY'RE VOLUNTEERING SO THEY DON'T GET ORDERED TO GO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND THEN YOU HAVE AN ABUNDANCE OF ORDERED SLIPS FOR THE OFFICES THAT MIGHT BE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST THAT DON'T WANT TO WORK EITHER. SO THEY DIDN'T VOLUNTEER BUT THEY'RE UP TO GET ORDERED SO GUESS WHAT? THEY'RE ORDERED AND THEY'RE GETTING SHIPPED TO WHEREVER THEY'RE NEEDED. SO YOU ARE CORRECT IN WHAT YOU'RE BEING TOLD IN YOUR ASSESSMENT BUT THOSE ARE THE REASONS WHY.  OKAY. YES, SIR. I JUST I, I THINK THE THE LAST PART OF THAT I JUST WAS DO YOU DO YOU HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH YOUR MEMBERS TOO? HONESTLY, IT MAKES IT HARDER FOR US TO ADVOCATE FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS WHERE WE YOU KNOW, THERE ARE DATA SHOWING PEOPLE MAKING $200,000 A YEAR IN OVERTIME. DO YOU TALK TO YOUR MEMBERS ABOUT THOSE NUMBERS? I COUNCILOR I DON'T HAVE TO TALK TO THEM. THEY'RE YELLING AT ME . I WAS IN DISTRICT TWO THIS MORNING. I WAS AT BEACH'S ROLL CALL THIS MORNING TALKING TO A YOUNGER GROUP OF OFFICERS AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE TELLING ME I'M GETTING KILLED. I'M WORKING EVERY NIGHT THERE ARE THOSE OFFICERS AGAIN, I WANT TO ANSWER IT SO THAT THAT I'M VERY CLEAR THERE ARE THOSE OFFICERS THAT WILL COME IN AND THEY'LL WORK A DOUBLE.  WE HAVE THEM JUST LIKE ANY PROFESSION AS MUCH OVER TIME AS THEY CAN WORK THEY'LL DO IT IN THE MEDICAL FIELD OR WHEREVER ELSE WE ARE IF THERE'S OVERTIME TO BE WORK THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WILL DO IT. HOWEVER, THERE IS A VERY LARGE AMOUNT OF MINE MEMBERSHIP THAT ARE CONTINUALLY TELLING ME AND MY LEADERSHIP TEAM HEY I DON'T I DON'T MIND WORKING TWO OR THREE SHIFTS A WEEK BUT I DON'T WANT TO WORK SIX AND I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO BE ORDERED ON MY DAY OFF AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M BEING TOLD.  YEAH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR FITZGERALD THANK YOU ,JEFF AND LARRY, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE TODAY WITH US AND PROVIDING YOUR TESTIMONY. I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY DIRECT QUESTIONS FOR YOU, LARRY, SO BUT JUST APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. BUT I WAS MORE JUST THINKING ABOUT THE EFFECT OF IF IF WE AREN'T ABLE TO GET MORE OFFICERS, HOW IT SPREADS THEN NOT JUST AT NOT JUST NOT JUST ON THE FORCE AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT SHIFTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT TO COVER . BUT EVEN ON A DISTRICT WIDE I WAS THINKING ABOUT EACH OF US AS DISTRICT CITY COUNSELORS AND HOW RESOURCES ARE SPREAD THIN AND COUNCILOR WELL WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO CHAT ABOUT BUT I WASN'T EVEN THINKING ABOUT YOUR LETTER RIGHT? IT'S LIKE IF IF AND I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND WHY THERE ARE SOME ISSUES GOING ON WE NEED SOME MORE RESOURCES BUT WHO DOES THAT PULL FROM? RIGHT. AND IF IT PULLS FROM C-11 THEN I'M SITTING THERE GOING ALL RIGHT NOW EVERYTHING THAT MY CONSTITUENTS COME WITH I'M GOING TO HAVE TO SAY WELL A LOT OF THEM HAVE GONE OVER TO BE THREE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THERE'S A NEED THERE AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO FEEL OR EVEN MASS IN CASTS MIGHT FEEL LESS OF A PRESENCE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT TO GO. SO IT JUST YOU START TO PULL AT THOSE THINGS BETWEEN US AS WELL. RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S JUST TO ME NOT THAT I DISAGREE WITH THE REASONING AT ALL BUT THE REALITY OF THE OUTCOMES OF OF RESOURCES BEING SPREAD THEN AND WHAT THAT DOES FOR US AND OUR CONSTITUENTS AS WELL.  I THINK IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT AS WE GO FORWARD HERE BECAUSE THE YOU KNOW, I CAN TAKE THE AGAIN I CAN TAKE IF THE OUTPUT EQUALS THE OVERTIME THEN I THINK THAT WOULD I THINK THAT'S BETTER FOR THE CITY THAN THAN THAN REALLY HOW IT'S BROKEN UP NOW WE'VE GOTTEN TO THE OVERTIME NOW BUT AGAIN IT'S A MULTI-PRONGED APPROACH WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE TO A LOT OF THIS.  WE'RE ALL HAPPY TO BE A PART OF IT AND JUST THANK YOU ALL FOR FOR STICKING WITH US THROUGH THIS HEARING TODAY. REALLY APPRECIATE FROM BOTH PANELS AND THANK YOU CHAIR AND VICE CHAIRS FOR PUTTING ON A GREAT HEARING AS WELL.  THANK YOU. AND LARRY, THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU DO ADVOCATING FOR THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO SERVE THIS COUNTRY. I MEAN THIS CITY DAY IN AND DAY OUT AND THEIR FAMILIES SO APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT YOU AND JANEY DO FOR OUR BOSTON POLICE OFFICERS. ALSO WANT TO THANK THE PANEL.  YOU KNOW, SUPERINTENDENT CARLO AND SUPERINTENDENT MANN, I AM HUMPHRIES THANK YOU FOR ALWAYS BEING SO RESPONSIVE TO THE EVER CHANGING WORLD OF POLICING.  THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING MY CALLS WHEN I CALL WHEN MY COMMUNITY CALLS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RESOURCES I MEAN THESE EVENTS COULD GO ON IN A SAFE WAY BUT ALSO MAKING SURE THAT,  YOU KNOW, WE'RE BEING CREATIVE IN FIGURING OUT WAYS ON HOW TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS STILL A PUBLIC SAFETY APPROACH TO ALL THESE SPECIAL EVENTS. BUT TO TO MAKE THEM FEEL, FEEL, FEEL SAFE ARE MAKING SURE THAT THESE LARGE EVENTS ARE STILL HAPPENING. AND DIRECTOR AND LISA THANK YOU FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU GUYS HAVE DONE AND LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING MORE CONVERSATIONS AROUND NOT ONLY THIS BUT YOU KNOW OTHER TOPICS WHETHER IT'S THE RESIDENCY REQUIREMENT, WHETHER THERE'S LATERAL MOVES AND THAT'S WHY WHEN I WHEN I MADE DO IS KEEP THIS HEARING IN A IN COMMITTEE TO HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATIONS IN A WORKING SESSION TO PUT TOGETHER A LIST OF RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE NEXT CBA FOR FOR THE COUNCIL TO KIND OF PROVIDE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR BOTH ADMINISTRATION AND THE BP BPA TO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION WHEN THOSE TALKS ARISE WHICH I BELIEVE IS AROUND THE CORNER. SO LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT WORKING SESSION AND TO SOLVING THIS THIS THIS ISSUE THAT PRESENTS ITSELF TO US. SO THANK YOU AND LOOKING FORWARD TO CONTINUING THIS WORK WITH THAT THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.  THANK YOU, JIM. THANK