I can we are recording we recording all right very good good evening uh welcome to the July 22nd 2024 Township committee meeting held at 7 o'clock for there so at the municipal building 770 coopertown Road in Delano can I have a roll call please Janice Mrs Patrick here Mr elect here miss Seuss here Mr Templeton is absent and Mr Bartlett here also present Mr Schwab our Township administrator Mr Fox our Township engineer Mr Coleman filling in for Mr heinold as Township solicitor Mrs lore our municipal clerk Mrs Russell our Deputy municipal clerk Mr fenmore superintendent of Public Works Lieutenant Warren the police department and that is everybody will you please rise for the flx United States stand Nation God indivisible andice for all the sunshine statement please CH please be advised that proper notice of this meeting has been given compliance with the open public meetings act in the following manner notice has been mailed to the Brownton County Times and Courier Post and published in the January 4th 2024 editions notice of the meeting date change for this meeting was published in the July 3rd 2024 editions of the Bron County Times and Courier Post and written notice has been posted on the official bu bulletin board of the township of Delano at was 48 hours prior to the meeting this meeting of the Delano Township committee may be transmitted via live stream on YouTube video streaming of the meeting is not intended to be relied upon as formal Public Access under the open public meetings act and if the technology is dis disrupted for any reason the township meeting will proceed in person as an official meeting in accord with the official notice thank you very much Janice uh first item on the agenda for this evening is a presentation from the Burlington County uh joint Insurance Fund regarding the membership renewal good evening good evening um Steve Walsh with Park the insurance I serve as the Risk Management Consultant for delen Township Del Township had their property casual insurance for many years in the Burlington County Joint Insurance Fund uh membership in the program requires a three-year commitment your threeyear Reno term is coming up this year with me tonight is Paul myola with AJ Galler they are the administrator for the FC joint Insurance Fund we're going to take a few minutes tonight just to upate on the broadcut to Insurance thank you well good evening my name is Paul myola um I served as the executive director of the bur co jip uh since its formation in 1991 uh I worked with Rosanne lamz back then to uh to begin to start the jip actually we did a feasibility study here in BR County so uh I want to thank you for giving me a few minutes on your agenda tonight and each of you should have a copy of my presentation at your places and if we just flip over to page two talking about new exposures and challenges these are things we couldn't even anticipate when we started putting our budgets together two or three years ago uh right now we're facing a very difficult reinsurance Market we use reinsurance in the joint Insurance Fund to protect us from catastrophic claims uh so that we don't have a run on the bank so to speak uh just watching the property insurance market right now uh seeing 56% increase in that area uh medical cost inflation you just heard the state health benefits program up 17.2% being driven by medical inflation there uh we've seen about a 9 and a half% increase over the past three years in our medical cost for workers comp wage replacement costs have increased also uh 16.7% under workers compensation in the past three years and then looking down at the recent statutory regulatory changes covid-19 uh the New Jersey legislature deemed that uh employees uh first respond police officers and the lake that contracted Co were deemed to have contracted it off the job therefore eligible for workers compensation benefits that drove up workers compensation cost in the gifs around the state $25 million about almost $800,000 here in the brco gy and then something new workers compensation reopener an employee has up to two years to reopen a workers compensation case after their last medical treatment and uh we've seen uh petitioners ATT has really start to work this we're seeing a lot of reopen been used to see them to this extent uh that has cost the Statewide just about $145 million here in Burlington County alone an additional $3 million in cost and then the pension offset where the uh State Pension uh decided that uh workers compensation on total disabilities would take uh first crack and that's also added another 13 million Statewide and about 1.1 million B Co so these are things that just put pressure on the bur Co Jeff budget and then just looking at Police Department it's a really tough job today to be a police officer it seems as though it's very difficult to take these cases to trial uh here in New Jersey departments have paid at least $87 million since 2019 to settle allegations claims against their police officers so all of these factors do add up and then flipping over to page three talking about this this is not just a New Jersey situation this is a worldwi Insurance prices that's occurring right now it's affecting personal and Commercial Insurance I just saw an article this morning the average homeowners increase Countrywide 35% but some states as much as 60% increases and you know what's happening even in your if you own a business your commercial insurance your automobile insurance so this has all been driving and it drives about 46% of our budget uh across all lines of business own as property liability cber workers compensation and then flipping over to page the property insurance Market you know the wildfires out west the tornadoes the Hurricanes um all of these things really start to put pressure on the worldwide reinsurance Market uh just last year alone there were 28 separate $1 billion property lost events in the United States uh we've seen the increased cost of labor and material since Co and escalating water repair costs so these are all things that have an impact on our reinsurance if over to page five I just show you um here a chart that shows the uh 46% of our budget about $4.9 million is what's there to protect us from catastrophic losses and that has put some pressure on our budget as well flipping over to the next page is the a high chart there and basically what we're very proud of is the fact that we operate the jit on less than 10 cents on the dollar and I think that's a phenomenal operating ratio uh other gifs not affiliated with the Burl Co run it about 20 cents on the dollar uh insurance companies run it in the low 30s about 32 33% on the dollar the other thing about the jip we're not only efficient but we're also tax exm because we're quasi public agency so we do have some built-in advantages in our budget flipping over to page seven we've been around since 1991 um I was involved in the formation of the jet back then it's good to know that we have Financial strength as an organization about5 A5 million Surplus uh cash on hand over $14 million uh we released almost $14 million in dividends to our members that's money that would have been insurance company profits if we were an insurance company uh this past year we released 729 th000 almost $730,000 in dividends and then subreg when somebody injures one of our employees whether it was an defective product or somebody damages our equipment we go after them we subreg and you can see we're we're getting back average about $130,000 a year in subreg so uh your total dividend since joining the jet $532,000 just this past year your dividend equal about 7% of your premium going over to page eight um there are other joint Insurance ones out there uh and you what we like to do is comparison their balance sheets when we look at our competitors uh they include significant excess recoverables that means money that they think they going to get back their reinsurers but some of these are 10 and 12 years old and they're still carrying them on the folks there's no chance for to recover those they discount the reserves meaning the money they have set aside they pay claims they anticipate 5 6 7% investment income which is just not going to happen as well I already mentioned the high administrative fees they don't declare dividends as a matter of fact they often um under budget and come back to the Mage for additional money U each year so there's a something that needs to beam uh going over to page nine I just talked about the value proposition the brto chip the safety risk management training that we offer uh also the New Jersey environmental joint Insurance Fund the Employment Practices liability public officials liability programs the Employment Practices liability help line the Cyber risk support and the claims management which I'll go into detail on another slide and then just moving over to page 10 the training I think so very very important making sure that management supervisor um get trained in uh Hospital work environment sexual harass and things of that nature we trained over 700 management supervisors here in R County last year we do a separate training for police Command Staff we had 480 Command Staff officers come through this past year we have specialized training for your ranked file employees we do the elected officials training early each year and then we also have a special program for your land Year's board and then on the other side of the equation safety we go onite loss control visits we have uh loss control Representatives that come out they don't just count fire extinguishers they meet with your supervisors they talk about safety committee meetings monitoring um accidents looking to do accident reviews things of that nature we conduct training right here in Burlington County you have the M safety Institute where your employees can do training online so that they don't have to leave town to get that training and we've seen an increase in training this past year of 9% and if you look at the next page on page 11 um this really is very dramatic it shows a correlation between the training episodes and the Lost Time accident frequency lost time accidents is where an employees injured so much that they're out of work for a period of time and so you know I like to say that safety pays well this really demonstrate the fact that that training does make a difference and you FKS to participate in those programs turning to page 12 risk management I say like step be on saf uh we have the toolip program which is very valuable say outside organization wants to use one of your facilities to hold a sweet 16 part or it's an outside organization that wants to hold some kind of a fundraiser uh they need to have their own insurance and often times they don't so they can come in working with Steve W they can go online they can get a $1 million liability policy for the event and automatically names your town as an additional insur you get certificate insurance it's very inexpensive and it's you don't need to be involved in at all you just get to the website and it flows through uh so we got an insurance guideline we want to make sure that people that are coming in to do work for the municipality have proper insurance we just updated those guidelines they're online obviously the coverage for somebody is just coming in the paint building might not requires high limit that somebody's going project for you and then the model indication contractors their attorneys put the contract together and they present it to you and often times they have what's known as a reverse hold haral that basically say that anything that happens on the job that goes wrong it's to Leno's responsibility we want to make sure that we flip those things around and make sure the contractor that's all your pank and to do the job uh has the proper insurance and they indify you um and your employees or any accidents or what they do flipping over to page 13 uh you are a member of the New Jersey environmental risk management fund this provides protection for any pollution liability events that may occur provides liability coverage onsite clean cost coverage protects you as public officials also provides the Minimus amand we site coverage also your storage tank systems and we do have Engineers that come out they work with you they they inspect your systems and uh provide regulatory guidance so that if for example there's a spill in above public The Works Yard call the 800 number they come right out he he comes out they will deal with them they will assist in that process and they have a great website as well and then page four uh 14 the Cyber risk management fund we used to purchase cyber coverage for our members in the commercial Market um that became cost prohibitive uh it was very difficult to purchase that coverage it became very very expensive so a couple of years ago we had the actuaries do a study on our membership and say what if we self-funded the Cyber liability program and basically um we have three tiers of coverage um actually four tiers of coverage it but the member really has no protection in place they don't have firewalls they don't use passwords they're going to have $5,000 deductible and they're going to pay $60,000 at the next $300,000 of the plane for a total of $110,000 if they simply put in some basic security measures uh there's only a $35,000 deductible they move up the level to the intermediate security it's only a $20,000 edable and then Advanced security there's no dou all and the feeli this is really the way to provide that coverage so that the town is doing everything to prevent themselves from being hacked can have no deductible and premiums that remain very very low because of that also we have a representative of technology or Services director who right here in Bur County juso he comes out works with your it people to help come in compliance with these programs we also do fishing exercises where we try to send emails to your employees and see trick they clicking on the link if they do click on that l a a 60c lesson on hey this is what you should be looking for next time you know you don't have a UPS package waiting for you and uh we also do other exercises we try and penetrate your uh your system see if there's any open portals and what have you there's whole variety of programs there that come with your membership and then on page 15 try as we may we can't prevent every plan froming uh we're not working with machine robots we're working with humans accidents times happen transitional Duty has been great Pro time it's when a doctor said you know bu a keep them back to work um but with limited duty till I see them again in three weeks so no lifting over 25 pounds and that allows the employee to come back in do something overtime is always something you can use an employee for and uh we used almost 60% of those days this past year and uh saved about $121,000 in cost by doing that we also use a Managed Care our own manage Network it's a network within a network where we choose the best possible positions in the area Specialists that know exactly have a treat occupational injuries feel that spending that money up front saves money in the long run because employees are going to get better more quickly we have a great defense panel right here in Burlington County these are attorneys that are familiar with the local attorney bar the cour venue and they specialize in defense of public entities especially in the strong use of type defenses as a matter of fact one of the first things that we did here in Delano when we joined the joint Insurance Fund was have you adopt a t claim notice procedure where somebody's going to bring suit against Del Leno Township they have to complete this form it has to be submitted within a certain period of time and we have copies of that on hand and many times a defense attorney we ask for a copy of that to show Court I plainness attorney did not comply with Tyle 59 requirements uh page 16 a couple years I noticed a a sharp rise in our auto repair cost and I talk to the individual that goes out does our Auto buet crazes and I said Leo why are we starting to see this Spike he said well he said a couple of things are happening number one he said um you've got an estimate from the body shop and say it's going to be $88,000 to complete this repair and then when it's all done they send you an additional bill for $4,000 and say oh this is a supplemental well they can't do that anymore um they know and they've all signed on to this program that if there's going to be supplemental damage we have to come back out and we inspect certain now um we also want to make sure that they agree to that that price up front um couple of other examples let's say your vehicle is damag uh why not just store it here in your Public Works Yard as opposed to paying storage feeds in the Bott shop uh it's a police vehicle and you have to do the upfit why don't we buy that through the state plan where we get a discount and we don't pay the 25% charge with the p shops in the M charge so there's several programs in there they have helped to bring down our cost page 17 the wellness program I think is very valuable we know that healthy employees get injured less often they recover more quickly you don't have a delayed surgery no some smoker or diabetic or what have you so Debbie shipper comes out she's our Wellness director does a great job conducting webinars and commen wellness fairs and things of that nature and a great newsletter that been shared with the employees flipping over to page 18 I started to track this several years ago when we started the wellness program I asked our workers compensation claims adjustments to please start to track the difference between employees with comorbidities of smoking diabetes hypertention high cholesterol obesity versus the employees that did not have those comorbidities and you can see just in the upper right hand corner the total cost of workers compensation claim is 82% higher those employes with po morbidities uh the total Indemnity medical cost is over 100% higher and look at this the Lost Time days from the job 86% longer so Wellness really um it has an impact on workers compensation plus it's the right thing to do for your staff so coming down the home stretch here on page 19 just to let you know we are flexible you are efficient uh member input is valued ER Inc comes to all of the there um providing input on behalf of of your town um she participates in policy budget discussions safety programs and we always look for feedback from our members and one recent example you know when Co hit we had a l meetings virtually um and things started to ease up and said well let's start meeting in person again and M said well can we kind of do hybrid you know some meetings in person and some uh virtually and uh and we do that plus most safety and elect officials training sessions are now available online so your employees are not leaving the line but to go to their training so as the elected officials as the policy makers here in the L of Township um please continue to support the chip that wellness program transitional Duty the Online inperson safety training the cyber security awareness and even the law enforcement Risk Management Services we're we have um individual now police Lieutenant who uh CER for police accreditation comes out talks your police chief you know let's make sure we have a good defense make sure the signing sheets are there let's make sure the policies have been distributed and uh it really does go along way and protecting our officers and prent allegations or read against them so I want to thank you so much for being a charter member of the girl Co j u thank you for the time tonight you haven't entertain any questions that you have thank you Paul anyone have any questions no I'm just glad that we've been a member for as long as we have and I can see the benefits that we've had through the years and thanks Steve for being our representative there have a good evening let's go phes absolutely Paul thank you thank you Paul thank you Steve all right uh next item on the agenda tonight uh we have another presentation uh traffic study proposal Mr Mayor counil tonight I have with me Spencer slack who with our transportation group Aton and I'm I I believe in front of you you have our proposal dated last revised December 27 2023 and what this is for the township wide traffic study to provide hard data to develop a meaningful circulation element for our master plan um working with Michelle and the land use board uh we're looking to update the master plan and the land use board has been frustrated over the years because the tant continues to develop and we're and we're developing at a rapid Pace the region around us is also developing at a rapid Pace but the traffic volumes have increased incrementally so what's happening is when an application comes before the board we deal with that application on its own merits and each applicant submits a traffic impact study and they show that their impact is minimal so they might be 1% of the traffic in the area or 10% and so the improvements are only along their Frontage so there's also things that are outside of our control that are also changing in the township uh and the region um and it includes like um the intersection at Route 130 and um Creek Road that that intersection is out of our towns of out of our control really but there's there it impacts us so we have to take a look at that and the other thing is traffic patterns have changed over time with Co I know that Jeff was talking about Co the impacts people are still telecommuting and so that's reduce some traffic maybe one or two days a week but online shopping has increased so you have delivery trucks in all the neighborhoods and we've all seen that delivery trucks throughout our neighborhoods and on the major roads so the municipal Andrew law has a specific definition for circulation and it states system structures and physical improvements for movement of people and goods over streets and highways and the handling of people and goods through terminals warehouses and other storage buildings so the circulation plan would address these specific this specific definition so basically that the circulation plan basically uh defines how people and goods are moved throughout the Delan and how they use our roads our bikeways sidewalks or or bike paths and things like that so understanding how this all works together it really it's it's a critical for our well-being and uh quality of life here in the lgo uh so the land use board recognizes this and and again because we're dealing with one application after another it has the traffic impact study that has no impact um they asked us to develop this proposal which um Spencer had helped put together so and I'm just going to get into the specifics of The Proposal I'm sorry Hugh do you have a copy of The Proposal cuz we don't have that in our packets yeah it was I think we got it in 2023 and when I asked to have this put on the agenda I did not include that um but I remember the proposal was for $25,000 if I'm not mistaken correct and I do want to add why I asked Q and The Joint land use board to attend this meeting with this presentation um if you recall a few months ago um the county sent out they they received an award for um a grant actually from dvrpc it's a regional Vision uh and they're asking each Township to submit their plan for traffic or problems in the community or what have you and it's a the form that you fill out is actually a document that you would upload for this particular thing a traffic study which would help the Lano show the county that we do have issues and that hopefully they can resolve them and to me this is a very important part of this grant that they're going to have because our study can be a part of their grant that maybe then they'll take us serious instead of saying well wait till all the you know the warehouses are complete and they have occupants and uh and the traffic lights not there's not enough traffic so to me all those issues are an important part of the study that I hope that you do so and take into consideration maybe some of the police uh reports so that we can upload one document to the county to show them that we've done our homework and Delano needs their help in correcting some of these issues because a lot of them are on the county roads that we have no control over so that's that was my hope you that you can help us with and that's why I feel that this study is imperative not just for the joint land use board but for Delano period all of us because we're all affected by it um the residents the businesses the police uh so it's not just a tool for the joint land use board it's a tool for this Township to submit to the county and say we've done our homework we need your help let's get something done so that's kind of like my little Spiel I think it's important right right and I agree and that that's why this is the the uh would contribute to the circulation element of the master plan which would be Township wide and I think that's what the board was looking at the land use board is have a Township wide study so we would include traffic camps um the the one the specific thing with the A Safe Streets for all that the Cy looking the the uh for information we would be able to collect crash information because that's what they're looking for fatalities to try to have Zero fatalities um and we would provide that to the county for sure but that would be part of our study and that was one of the scope tasks we're also going to put counters out for you know four different counters throughout town to get current traffic counts we're going to observe 10 intersections and an intersection can be uh two roads or it can be a driveway and a and a major uh th for instance the Federal Express uh driveway coming out on the Creek Road would be a good intersection to look at and look at shift changes how much traffic we're generating in a specific time period and then again we would request the traffic crash data and pass that on to the county DPC and then also looking at the traffic signal plans to see if there's a timing issue in town that we could possibly work with the county and get the traffic lights improved and I know we did have a in our proposal and and I'm sorry Mr Mayor I don't have extra copies I don't think we but I might certainly can shoot that over I might have a copy too right or I can shoot it to you okay so I I'll shoot it over to you but it is it's it me yeah okay it's the same one that was in the budget we have it we have it because uh Lori and Ann came and presented the budget when we get our budget so we all received a cop don't the same proposal yeah the same okay the same proposal it's just now they're here to present it right but but the but the idea the overall idea would be is that we would prevent I mean to present recommendations so that we would have specific remedies so as applicants so not only from a tant standpoint but as applicants come the board we would have capital projects potentially list maybe it's a widening or leftand turn lane or an additional B wave and we could um have the applicants submit their proat share with that Improvement if it's an off track Improvement but they are now we can Define hey you're contributing so much traffic to that location you would pay X do so it's an idea that we would have these uh capital projects possibly for even for the township the fund but also have applicants to how can we enforce that though if these are all County Road well that's what we would look for to see where the problems are and then we would have to go we would have to work literally except for our residential roads all of our main roads are County Roads right but in each one of our um our applications I mean you know people come out and they say well you know we have traffic issues I can't get out of my neighborhood I can't get out of my driveway so they're the type of things that we would want to look at to see how we could improve overall flow but but we would need County you know even dbpc U you know potentially for Grants and things like that because I know under that safe roots for all townships could get some of that kind Mone as well look at the internal as but that that's really geared more toward fatalities we want to eliminate fatalities we would identify SS and I'll have I know I'm I'm sure Adam sent some things to me and I had uh followed up with an email today because for some reason it's lost in cyers space um that email but but he does have reports that when I I would send them to you once this is approved so that you I would imagine you would include that data in your um report I think it would all be included in one yes that's what I would think okay and we also then have access to the traffic impact studies that were submitted for each application so we would even look at those and review those as part of this study so that that's what the board wanted to look at a comprehensive Township wide look as opposed to this application each application comes in just use that imp for that right Hugh let me ask and this may be part of what you're going to be presenting um how would that help when we have uh three vacant warehouses that aren't having any traffic as of yet are you just going to use the same data that they provided also we're not I I don't know about anyone else on this committee but are we hearing anything from residents that they're having trouble getting out of their neighborhoods at this point where you know a traffic study is needed that's my concern with the county roads that the county has jurisdiction over what happens there and to do the study is probably a good thing on the one hand but where it goes to just sit on the Shelf because the Count's doing their study the traffic reports or accidents are going to the county uh they're well aware of what happens on the county roads um and we only have one traffic light in town and all our major roads are County roads all roads I mean we can't even get the county to fix stupid issues like the flooding over the bridge which has been we've been dealing with for years so I don't have any faith that they're going to do anything with this report but put it on a shelf kind of like uh we did with um the other the other plan just sitting on a shelf somewhere at the state I kind of disagree because I think number one this would benefit the joint land use board as hug had indicated with each individual application that they have to deal with instead of someone coming in with their traffic study which is always to their benefit as long as I've been on the township committee they always have a traffic study that's always to benefit whoever it is that's coming in with a proposal um so it would benefit them but to me this study will also show the county since the county is opening this up to all the municip alties and I don't know how many municipalities you've done traffic studies for if you've done any other municipalities in the area but um this is a document from Delano saying this is a problem this County Road is a problem to us and this is why um for me I mean I do you know correspond with the county Engineers office I meet with them I I've met with them all over many different roads for to find lighting or traffic or entrances Newton Landing is a big example and I just feel that this document is better than me meeting a a representative from the county and walking an area that and show them the lighting or the entrance that I'm hoping that that will cement all the problems we have in town to show them hey these exist and they exist not just on the rose and Delano they exist on the rose and Delano that the county owns that's what their studies for so we need to show them that these RADS are a problem and they can correct it but will they correct it that's the issue well the issue is why would they be doing this survey just to I I can't imagine that if enough people come forward enough Towns come forward and say we did our homework this is this is going to help you with your Grant to see the problem problems in the county and there are several problems in the county a lot of them could be just Road repair but uh traffic signals traffic lights we could use another light in this town um and I think if you do that survey you'll see that um I I just feel it's a necessity not just for the joint land use board but for the town as a whole to prove to the county that you know we're tired of just admitting complaints and nothing being done let's do it if you're going to get this Grant and go through all the towns then let's do something about it I feel that it's that it's beneficial I could be wrong but um I don't think I am in this particular case let's let uh one of the things that we could do is um for instance uh on a County Road um suggested we get additional right of way to make Improvement for potential widening eventually or if the count is not receptable to right away we would take EAS because we would have control over that property get an easement along the frontage for a bike lane or for a road wide or for a Dell Lane so they those are the type of things that we could plan for without necessarily having the county be involved or you know approving that but um in the long run County yeah it's a county well in other words it's an easement on the property that AB buts County Ro so we would have easement available it's not buildable I mean it's it's a planning docum do we know what the width of the RightWay is now if that would even benefit if if the right away is that's part of what we look at I mean if you look at the tax map I don't need a $225,000 study to say the the RightWay width of Creek Road is 80 ft wide and they've only have it open to an improved 50 foot wide right but you may you may look to have improvements for instance a bike lane along that along that route so then you would need that addition like so even though you have that you're right we would start with the tax map but then is there more land if we start to develop some of these properties we would get another 10 15 ft of easement for pedestrian forway said the the W I mean just for a simple one right over here on coopertown road we want tow put a sidewalk in but we can't acquire an easement from the property owner uh is it uh just between the railroad and uh new land Newton's landing and they won't do an easement so how does that help with you know we're going to pursue eminent domain on property owners we could do we have that money but it's the I think the county it's a County Road and the county has the eement um could they enlarge the asement would they I I don't know would I don't know how we could actually get access to put a sidewalk there without doing some kind of eminent domain Pro proceeding I'm hearing county road count Road is the county funding this if somebody's not before the joint land board then we wouldn't we wouldn't be able to get EAS but if somebody's before the board and that's the whole point if somebody the board we can get that easement we can get you know all the surrounding easements and then have whoever the hold out is um you know either either work on that or wait until that property sells so that's what I'm thinking if somebody's going to sell their property and they decide they want to CU there's a couple properties have a significant um land maybe like you know a few acres and they sell it and they want to put uh tow houses or something there and they would come before the joint land use board and we could say well guess what we need a sidewalk in front of your property then so they would have to I mean that that in itself would help with three of the properties it's just a couple houses that's really what it is it's not it's not large I still think that the traffic studies especially from Creek Road um and on Avenue I think sometimes in some places depending upon if the bridges if the bridge is closing people can't get out of their driveways on Burlington now it's still County Road but there are issues and there are issues and uh and of course the joke handle out there that's a state I'm trying to deal with the state on that issue I just followed up in the email today but um and the go issue is is an issue all up and down the cors a mess and and we've been petitioning theot to do a study in that area and I believe they have started a study um and we would want to bring it down this far to look at The Jug there they've had all these intersections under construction with new traffic lights God the last eight years now and it looks like they''re just sitting there the lights have been bagged up the signs been bagged partial work done on sidewalks and curves all up and down around 130 all the way from Burlington City all the way to uh Edge Park North End of Burlington City to Ed Park just sitting there I I do know that there's supply chain issues in a lot of cases it might be something it's been years years have you done this these uh studies for other communities in the area yes yeah we have um we we do um traffic studies for you know individual sites but as well as the traff and do you have they found them to be um um you know beneficial to not just the joint land use board but for any other use Mo mostly it would be joint land use board I guess but well well it's master plan so it's the master plan that really covers what what this uh Council would be looking for so you know circul circulation element includes the bike ways you know and and that's something that postco more people are out on bicycles you know like you said the pedestrial like that which we don't have a lot of it quite frankly so that you would look at that the master plan would link those areas so wherever we can get right away wherever we can make improvements we would do it based on the master plan so what roadways are we talking about there would be a part of this traffic study well that's what we would sit down and go through um with with the land news board and Council and just we know work out where we want to put them even the the four traffic counters we look at which roadway we really focus on we haven't we haven't really designated anything at the moment no be coordination is four traffic counters enough we thought we have four ATR inct the week's worth of dat volume speed they're going to be we got inters up to loc pedestrian and we do have traffic studies from the applicant that that's presented there a couple webs last year use those to uh just for just for example um I I think we know for a fact that a major intersection in town where um we have a lot of traffic incidents liutenant Warren correct me if I'm uh wrong Burlington Avenue and Union or Burlington and walmont right there we've I could tell you in the last six months we probably had at least one per month right at that intersection so you know we only because I been out there and let's just say your traffic study includes that know what's what would the traffic study recommend I'm not going to tell you I'm not going to tell you to give me the recommendation right now but what's the traffic study going to recommend put a a traffic signal there oration I guess the issue to two would be um for example those four-way stops there's signage already there so again the other issue brought up as far as the road it's the county road right so they're not going to put a a light at Walnut and bton Avenue or walnut Union um was already signed is there before we stop um because a lot of it comes to operator ER right and the study is not going to change not but you nor don't put there in the residential [Music] area but I but again though the issue as mayor Barlett mentioned that would be upon the county to facilitate that right you're not they're not doing so we we need a willing participant in the county to be able to facilitate I well if we show them a study that indicates that they should be doing something more than they're doing then I don't know how they can just stick their nose up to it excuse me but I mean I think that's I think that's what we're trying to do in addition to the master plan and giving the joint land use board a tool um for I thought the major issue originally was Cooper town now this is for the I mean I I think there are several areas in town that need to be addressed and uh oh you mean with the warehouses yeah yeah yeah that's that's a huge concern and I am concerned that they're they're vacant and I know you're going to base it on what they were allowed to have essentially what was approved for so I mean I guess we can gauge it off of that but CU that the traffic is going to increase and we don't know what else is going to happen with the other businesses uh in our Industrial Area because they could change and it could be more flow or less flow we don't know so it's something that you just anticipate but um I mean I it's probably something that should have been done years ago uh and it wasn't but I mean if we can do it now now and it can help us in the future um I don't know I I I think it's a a winwin for Del of Township if we do it right some of the things that we have looked at in the past is red speed limits so we've actually done studies and we've gotten County uh approval to redu the speed limits on County Ro we've done um traffic calming where we narrow down the lanes and and create that you know closed in feeling is actually naturally slow down before stop sign we've done the the larger stop sign we've done the solar power linking stop signs you know so those type of things have been affected in other TS and it's it's a it's a combination of things it could be sight distance at an intersection where there's accidents not only speed or ignoring a stop sign but it might be a sight distance issue if some of you didn't see another vehicle and you know they're going to coach through but if they saw a vehicle they wouldn't have come they probably would so they're the type of things that we would try to look at and see why you know for instance if we got the crash data why is it happening is it consistent same leg at the intersection there is a s distance issue yeah yeah I I think everything you're saying is great and I think it would provide valuable data my whole thing is I have I don't want to say I have no faith in Burlington County actually yeah I do want to say that I have zero faith in Burlington County Traffic engineering for for going back to my example with the bridge with uh it being um us having to close the uh Burlington Avenue Bridge over ranovus Creek due to flooding their solution was put up advanced warning signs sounds like a great idea it doesn't fix the problem sounds like a great idea their positioning of advanced warning signs are one right before the bridge at L Deli and the other one right before the bend so all the traffic turns into the residential neighborhood which is exactly what we didn't want them to do said you need to put one before the intersection of Cooper Street and Burlington Avenue so cars could make a left down Cooper town to get out to R 130 but the Geniuses at Burlington County put them at the bend over by the church and behind a tree over across from L dely and they did the same thing in Riverside they put it um after you get past the watch case building so that's where my lack of faith in Burlington County comes in and um I did ask them can you put one up the further on each side in Riverside end thean and they said they would have to look into that to see if they could do that with the Telemetry between the different units so I would have thought before spending I'm going to say $50,000 whatever those things cost them they would have actually done a study and figured out what was needed before you put it in that's with my um uh serial box engineering degree I think that's how you do studies or just ask well or just ask the people they didn't even communicate with us but this study could help us to have that improved um I I don't know uh I don't know what else I can say to I don't know if anybody from the public wants to add any comments but do you have anything else you want to add yeah please you haven't said a word so you could you have anything you want to add question okay but um we do have a good report with the County engineer so I mean if that if that helps and and they have um in in presenting them information or study for for instance we've done traffic counts that show speeds and got speed limit reductions have done speed tables where you know that basically TR common measure that we've done to the can so um it is possible but they do look for backup from you know the actual study information to make some of those changes and the changes that you're suggesting the signage I mean that could be something that we could recommend that that kind is really going down into specifics the master plan is really more global you know what's coming into town what's leaving town what's generated in town and what is the making Vehicles so but then in the long run if we have all these other issues that's something that you know ultimately that's all we had I mean it was just you know the land board I'm I'm sort of VI on behalf of the land use board who asking to put this proposal together to to you know curb their frustration on having you know proved and and the board has to approve a lot of these applications the traffic of the impact truly is negligible from a particular site it's globally is where the issue is at a cumulative effect started to go up the issues that's all I thank you excuse me H you said you're going to send uh electronic to Beverly yes I will Beverly would make sure I get a copy of that please forward thank you so uh procedurally do we want to wait till we all have copies of that proposal then at our next meeting in two weeks uh we could take a vote on that I have to yeah I'm going to ask the county for an extension um but if it's approved Q how long will it take we had time we would we would want to sit down but it would be a um it's not going to be an overnight study that's no I didn't think so I hope not for 25 but I but I would need to have a um uh so that I can give the county the information that I would need an extension on our submission realistically this is not because vacations school buses so it so when start till maybe September okay what's the due date on the U July 31st but I would ask for an extension until October something and there's no reason why they wouldn't give it because I did ask them and they said they would give an extension if I needed it so um I'm not worried about that actually I would email Dave and ask him about that and I I would say maybe October 31st could we have it by then if it was approved we came overall right because most of the issues in addition to what you would be doing for the master plan but most of the issues to me that would go to the county or on County Roads that that really are for their you know um for for them to see that these are the issues Delano has with your roads um but um thank you and I think maybe Lori or I don't know if Lori wants to add anything to this presentation I was just going to talk about the delay of starting the study because of September and going back to school and things like that that need to be included in the overall but but as as Hugh said you know I've been on the joint land use board for many years and what happens when a development comes in as anybody who sat in on a board meetings they present a traffic study that shows that they're not um they're not detri m al to the level of service in any of the roads and as you said we really have no recourse but to approve their applications when you know cumulatively like you're saying with the warehouses they're not even occupied yet what's that going to look like we're already having problems right so um and we've all I think decided that we should have done this study years ago but we haven't so here we are either we can keep letting these things accumulate and accumulate and accumulate and get worse or we can um establish that Baseline now and then have this tool this document to go to other agencies either get grant money either ask applicants to contribute to improvements or to go to the county and say we really do have issues and and these need to be resolved and they may just put it on the Shelf but it's up to us then to continue to follow through on these things until things get addressed exactly otherwise nothing's going to get done and it's just going to continue to get worse and worse and worse and I I don't think any of us want that right so I appreciate your consideration thank you thank and Lori my frustration isn't with the county as a whole so your department and Department this just County engineering your solid waste collection or disposal is okay right you're recycling thing yes Recycling and trash great and I've been the county for almost 40 years and the Commissioners will respond if you hand them a document that says your engineers wrong here is the proof get some press on it and it legitimizes your concerns but you got to go through those steps otherwise it's just a committee person's word against the county engine certainly has phenomenal count gives county and say enough have to address yes thank you man thank you man thank you very much and thank you to the other members of the planning board see Bill and Carl out there who came out this evening as well we'll look forward to discussing it make a decision on the next meeting which is August 5th fth okay so I will uh talk to the county and make sure I can have an extension till October 31st very good okay thank you thank you you thanks you thanks you're more than welcome to stay you don't have to leave thank you thank you man and Lori for coming thank you all right uh meeting is now open to the public for any comments or questions this is session number one if you have a comment or question please approach the podium give your name and address for the record and there will be another public comment session later on this evening meeting's open to the public looking at you right nothing you're kidding y the Phillies are going to win the penet too jeez all right okay all right anybody else all right we'll close this uh portion of the meeting to the public and again there'll be one later on let's go to comments and reports from the professionals let's start with uh to my right Mr Fox thank you mayor um bring up to on on our various projects um the 2023 Road program 2023 Road program um that Earl Paving uh did over P several months they did come out and start their punch list work um they haven't completed it and um there's a there's another intersection that I have to have them address on Union and third um but they did start on the punch this work and they're moving on um the parking lot and Field of Dreams in Iowa uh that contractor fromed his punch list work um he's uh basically complete he's got to do some touch-up work on on striping and we also have to restrike L's landing and and River's Edge other than that that's that's all complete we did have the speed bumps installed John's Department installed the speed bumps as you know um that that came out pretty well we had the bumper blocks in and I believe the street signs speed limit signs are going up sh excuse me Harry with the parking lot here right out front the door we have a handicap spot and then we have the wheel stop and currently we have an orange cone that's the there so people don't trip coming into the building is that going to be a permanent fixture having a cone there or is there another solution I'll have to look I don't know why the cone is there it's I think prevent people from tripping uh coming into the building I think that cone was there before they got the they put the bumpers back in I think it's just rear was just sticking out of the ground yeah think someone just needs to Pi up yeah okay yeah um that's probably what it is and I think Public Works is going to paint the lines on the curvs now they have that snazzy new paint yes job that he's going out there right now [Laughter] welcome you're being brush up you're going to paint the lines outside right after we get all the brush up yeah no rush and that might take to all okay assuming we get no more storms um the uh Zub project seall project um I'm sure everyone has seen the progress on that that's moving along quite well ahead of schedule the vinyl sheet piles are I thought they were going to finish today but they didn't finish up today they have about 40 more feet of the vinyl to go in um then on the south end um as you may recall we're putting in aluminum sheet pile and and that is to give a little bit more armorment from the from the fetch coming up the river that's where it really has the most um most potential damage area that aluminum uh is supposed to be delivered on Thursday that aluminum Sho piles so that won't slow anything down um they're going to finish up the vinyl start the aluminum and finish all the dead men backfill Etc but but they're well ahead of schedule were they out there today cuz it looks like the it's left at the same place where it was it yeah they they were out there and they decided not to to do much they did some clean up work um their main operator I I don't know if he was sick but his their main operator was not there um so they just did some layout and set up or we'll give them a break CU they did bust their butts in the 100 degree weather over the last week and a half working out there non stop better than I could I I definitely wouldn't be able to do that yeah it's that was kind of ironic because today was the nicest day yeah I know Harry just a quick question the um the pilings that are not like level are they going to cut them so that they're all one height or okay yeah the the round piles yeah just like where they you know like some are 6 Ines higher than the the actual vinyl oh the actual vinyl that all gets cut even and that's what concrete cap next thanks um also the Zub drainage pipe um I'm not sure if you're all aware but there's there's a drainage pipe that comes from zook mansion from the stairwell right uh it it it runs South and then cuts across our property the the park property and discharges out to the river uh it's an old terracotta pipe the end of it was some put some piece of PVC in to try and keep it working when we exposed that pipe was in pretty bad shape yeah so I inst the contractor replace the pipe with the PVC all the way up to the sidewalk um that it's a 10in PVC pipe and on the end of it we're going to put a a check valve uh to stop the the flood waters and going the opposite direction but but we did replace all that pipe so in the future there was any there won't be any issues there for a new park um the additional cost was about $5,000 we had the $10,000 allowance built into the contract for specifically this or finding another pipe so we're we're good to go with that good and that has been installed that other PVC pipe that's ground level it's like 8 in is that for the the drainage basins that you're putting there there's a brand new PVC pipe that's talking about that's yeah it goes out about 15 ft from the wall yeah that's going to cut shorter and then we're going to put some little rip wrap yeah there and it's it's on the actual dirt it's on the ground of the river bed yep yeah okay that's it great um the delor a uh that's on your agenda tonight uh a resolution awarding a proposal to Thor construction for uh 719 Delaware uh that's the storm pipe that there's a big piece of concrete in there among several other pieces of debris that we can't even figure out what they are plugging that pipe um this contract will be to remove that entire pipe from the inlet on the street out to the concrete uh head wall that's that there there owners the homeowners head walk um so that'll be a whole brand new pipe when that's put in and and and what the issue is out there it's rainwater it's not backing up flood Tides the the the flood tide has never getting that high even even on the last big flood we had wasn't enough to flood that properly however the rain water that takes Second Street and Delaware there's several blocks into that pipe the pipe is basically clogged and can't handle it so it's rain War that's actually backing up it does not actually get into above the sidewalk area of of the homeowners because the height of the curb it it would overflow the curb and run out to the river during a rainstorm so it does flood almost every rainstorm I believe um but it's not really a danger to the house per se um but it is scheduled if if this gets approved tonight um I spoke with the contractor and he indicated he would get out out there by the end of this week realistically with the rain coming whatnot I would say more like Monday um yeah more realistic um but but he will be out there in next week to place that pipe great and you're going to contact property owner and the sun right yes I will stop actually I'm going to stop by tomorrow and speak to the property owner uh and then I'm also going to call her son who kind of intermediates uh and let them know they knew this was coming but they they they had no idea when right um the creek well the The Fill of Dreams uh Sports lighting that's going very well as well um the the trenching is all done that's completed from where the panel is going to go to all the light poles um for field two and there's also additional conduit to service field one in the future so we won't have to dig anything else up except for the back portion of of field one when we put those light polls in um that I believe that's on agenda for as well as a change order on on the agenda to install that extra cond to it that is all in the they are going to the contractor spoke spoke to the construction Department and they're digging their holes tomorrow where the how the lights go in is there's there's concrete Piers that go in 14 ft deep in the ground and another six feet out of the ground um they're going to the whole tomorrow they're being delivered on Wednesday mus is delivering the actual concrete PS Wednesday oh they prefs pre faps okay yep great um so then they're going to set them in place one Wednesday how it works it's a 30in hole that they set these in and then they F Concrete around them that's going to depend on the construction department on inspection W wise whether they can start back filling that concrete on Wednesday or they have to wait till Thursday but at the latest it'll all be back filled Thursday with concrete so everything will be sealed in ready to go and just waiting for musco to send the lights good so once they dig those holes they're going to put like over them so nobody can in yes they're yes absolutely cover with plywood um I mean it's closed off but that doesn't mean anything and I actually question um Basel too if you could have some extra Patrol out there for the next okay couple days because they're they're pretty big hes that'll be out there and they will be covered up but but so they are putting something on top of them or no yes they will something on top of them okay they agreed in the meeting that remember they were going to put Yep they're going to cover them up yep not a problem it's and and I mean I I don't anticipate any be going out there because it's not like it's right on the edge of the road or whatever but never yeah never know maybe we should keep the parking lot lights on yeah can we keep the parking lot lights on maybe we have the capability to do that just to have extra lighting on there you want I know why they we keep the off yeah yeah it'll be from tomorrow to Thursday and then you have no worries after that right okay sounds good uh the um 2023 cdbg grant for the handicap ramps uh that contractor did come out and do his punch list work as well he finished that last week and I have not had a chance to personally look at it my inspector looked at it and said it was okay but I want to look at it um so I will get out there this week to make sure that it's satisfactory but they they did make changes they had to replace a couple ramps because they were the wrong slopes they had to they were things do we want to hold that check until you get out there personally and look at it well we we have enough money on retaining yeah exactly all so we're okay with with that okay we'll have a hold on them and the 200 a street HD srf uh Grant we receiv received an email Thursday from the indicating that they have all the information they need they're done their review and they were going to give us a report on Friday which I have not received yet so I wrote another email today saying I had a meeting tonight can you give me some kind of update and I still have not hurting but it's on their desk they're supposed to have us something by Friday and well it's something yeah at least I have something in email and writing stating that yeah Signs of Life they're backlog they're I know amazing um and that's all I have all right um the storm waterer pollution prevention plan there were some emails going back and forth last week um as far as the stat that I guess the DP was asking that to yes I have someone assigned to that um and I he was out today I'm check them tomorrow but they are on top of that on our office to get that to to the state do we know if it was completed or there still SP was I'm going to say it was probably 90% complete okay um and then it it it it Felts a p speed um it and so we're picking up on that and contacting the state also Harry when do we uh decide on the handicap ramps for the next year's Grant so we can get that moving how do you want to Pro proceed on that yeah I I I could meet with whomever would be would like to be involved with that um anytime this well uh I don't know if it's possible tomorrow or not that's such short notice but I can meet this week um um and and go over what ramps we want to do if you just you know send send out a list of of the potentials I'll do that all right send that out then we can say whether or not anyone you know here's that's we did last time said this will be what we could afford but here are some Alternatives so we substituted but you have a list of so we know where we're starting from yeah I I'll send you a recommendation tomorrow recommendation and and then we discuss it drive and look at them and see what we think John everybody right so the August meeting hopefully we can make a final decision and yep get that going if you get your proposals in like you're going to do for the road stuff all for that meeting of the fifth because that's a repetitive kind of thing there's no yes nothing new with the cdb jant thing so you can get that rolling so we don't run into problems again yep okay thank you Jim McHugh had sent an email about the irrigation needed between Fields three and four um I think you were on that about adding The Zone um he going to take a look at if there's existing wiring that he can tap into and he's going to give us pricing on that um if there's something he can install or not he can do it just what the cost will be if there it's existing wiring or not so he's just going to let us know is that something you agree with that there needed there it was never put in because it was between the two fields and the intent wasn't really to really irrigate the whole yeah area but if you want to make everything consistent yeah it's certainly it's clearly bothering him so so it is yes cuz there's do it then if it's that's the brilliant thing that bothers him that's important yeah yeah he sent a couple emails and I saw Carolyn's reply uh Phil asked him too Phil asked him yeah he repli he replied directly to Phil and didn't copy us oh I got the copy I I did get the copy that Phil so he's going to get pricing for us there was wir that's the key if he could tie into the existing wiring and pipe it won't be a big deal right he's got to run it all the way back from the control panel and yeah that's a big deal it's going to cost a couple thousand the trencher out there already maybe bot electric could do that yeah yeah I mean is it worth it if it's going to be you know five six grand no probably not I would say no but talking or something right I'll tell you what though that field it looks better than I've ever seen it I sure the guys from RE sitting at the back especially in July I know it's it's green it's green as on my bottle there never tremendous Jim has been a tremendous help even with Elric he he was out there fix things electrician in him finding things fixing things and working together and and he's available at a a moment's call that's yeah so local that yeah and he actually cares like he's taking pride in it so that's ni that question cares if we remember what that looked like one year ago brown and yellow CR it was dead crop circles from the spr don't for don't forget we have a new well there that we didn't have a yearo we do have a new well and that has helped tremendously credit but Jim but Jim has taken take the credit away from you guys spent a lot of money so let's yeah well but Jim's going to keep it up I he he really cares he's responsible and cares what a difference local and he's doing a great job help we just get those trees watered yeah yeah all right thank you very much Harry all right uh Mr Coleman uh thank you mayor um nothing specific I'll I'll defer to Mr heinold um I I do did just want to uh add something with respect to your traffic study I know you kind of discussed that fairly thoroughly I um I I represented the Delaware Valley Regional Planning Commission for a number of years and I would encourage you to um get in touch with Tom Stan ainus like immediately yeah he sent the email out uh Tom's Tom's a wonderful advocate for the county county towns this year are all the Pennsylvania towns and counties that are getting funded through the tip projects next year is New Jersey so Tom's running around through the County right now and collecting applications there's there's a whole host of money at the dvpc that comes through the state and federal government that goes unused every year because the projects don't so he may be a really good advocate and you may have this money already budgeted but I'd love to see it get reimbursed for your expenditure so love to see that too cuz he's on this email that I have to he's he should be the guy you talk to okay I will I ask him maybe that's all I have thank you Tom thank you thanks Tom that's good yeah all right uh Township administrator Mr Schwab thank you um let me just move this other stuff out of the way uh of course you have we've got our assessor has been sending out his the new assessors his report and he and and the co- assessor as you were are working together and they're meeting with uh our former assessor to update the pilot stuff working with uh Doug on the uh new pil you have new pilot stuff coming through so they're working together uh interestingly the uh jfre uh talked about the state health benefits commission increase just showing that things are are going up and he pointed out that rate increases for local government active employees will be about 16% increase coming up next year uh so we there's all sorts of other stuff that are being discussed to try to hold that down but we probably need to get our nose back into looking at the uh uh Southern New Jersey employee benefit fund as an alternative last time what they gave us was incomplete and we weren't able to really show that there was a a benefit and we were in the middle of negotiating we need to have their their people come and prove to our employees that the equ are better before you start jumping a lot of towns have just did it and their unions associations Let It Go our people are saying well can at least somebody come out and talk to us about it so we'd like to be able to do that so it's something I got to work on this summer to see if we can't uh move on remember it's once you move you're done so that's the problem if you move to them 23% increase last year yep yep so yeah so keeps going up I saw 17.2 the other thing is is in addition what I emailed you in addition to what the mayor talked to Harry about with sending the plan the storm water plan to the state uh they reminded us that part of this ms4 permit is the requirement for these ordinances uh those who've been here for a while know that the same thing happened the last time that the state uh had their storm water stuff we had litter Control ordinances and we had don't feed the pigeon ordinances and there's a lot of ordinances that we have that we never use but they were required to do in order to maintain the permits well the two that they're currently telling us we have to do is one dealing with privately owned salt storage which in effect means and and and Janice is going to add that to the U business license applications to ask a business do you store salt on your site so that if we adopt this ordinance we have to regulate to ensure that they're storing it properly so that the rain doesn't wash the salt Into the Storm source so on so it be the state is saying you municipality have to be the enforcement agencies for this stuff and so that's that one piece which probably is is doable the other one and I see my friends out here from Shad Tre commission this tree removal replacement ordinance uh is a much more complicated and uh difficult to deal with ordinance but as I read it I believe that it it's really aimed mostly at development where a developer is coming for the joint land use board and in order to build a warehouse they want to clear you know 20 acres of trees and how that's done but technically it also applies to any uh live healthy tree that is removed for any purpose by the municipality or by a homeowner uh because they want to put a pool there they want space or it's providing too much shade or not enough shade and it deals with having to enforce replacement trees and so it's a much more complicated kind of thing so I sent that out to you I don't know what the answers are I'm just a process person but theoretically if we don't adopt these ordinances uh to the satisfaction of D theoretically they will not they will revoke or not continue to give us the ms4 storm water license same thing as if Harry doesn't send in those maps in that plan we just you we're on their s list so where that what happens because of it I don't know and there's 500 and some municipalities that are probably having the same discussion with their governing bodies because I don't think anyone paid much attention to this part of the change in these regulations so I'm bring it to your attention you guys will probably to figure out who's going to have this discussion and who's going to be involved it'll probably take as long as it took to get the sign ordinance in there and maybe it'll get the same uh traction as the uh uh ordinance dealing with the electric power stuff that uh are these model ordinances these are model ordinances so we just adop no it's not quite so simple can I just add something oh please Tom um so I I painfully sat through an hour and a half discussion last Tuesday night in Riverton about the same issue faor Tom just pull that mic a little bit closer to you yeah um so the the um this the state has started to send out reminders hey we we we haven't seen you adopt these ordinances okay um I I don't know how far they'll go to withhold funding or or storm water permits um the the the the Dilemma in the towns that we represent right now is um how can we in good faith tell a homeowner that has a certain caliber of tree that they have to come and get a permit to cut down a trio on their own property so um towns are now adopting taking the model ordinance um I I would encourage you send it off to your shade tree commission let them chew on it and um most towns are adopting a watered down version that is very liberal uh in letting the homeowner um not putting their feet to the fire when it's a certain caliber size tree um I I haven't seen any towns just verbatim adopt the current ordinance that the state suggest that you adopt suggest twisting your arm but I I will tell you you got to you got to pick up the pace that respectfully what else we got rich rich that's all I got oh okay um anyone else have any questions for Rich well I have a question that I guess I guess it has to do with the the grant uh the tree Grant and uh someone had approached me to see that you know they're going to replace all these dead trees and if they do could they put Gator bags on them what would the additional cost be could Shay tree um you know take on that cost but when they replace all these dead trees they still have to be watered and if they had a gator bag it certainly would make more sense it would be a lot easier to water them right bill because we can't have Bill mad lit's carton water out to these trees and of course the contractor said it's cheaper for him to just replace them then to send a water tank here to water them uh even though that's his responsibility so when they replace them next year I mean I think we should look into having Gator bags on them so they're replacing them in the fall this um the only issue with the water bags is they have to be refilled like every two weeks so somebody has to be respons but it's better than watering a tree every two or three days right so I mean I think somehow we need to look into that and I don't know if I should send an email to shade tree to see something in the budget how much money is it does the state provide for that but somebody should have thought about that because the watering the watering issue is going to come into effect again next year if we have the same kind of summer because it takes so long for these trees to establish I mean I just put three trees on my property and I have to order them well right now I don't have to order them today not at all so but so I mean we need to look into that and I I would hope Shay Tre would look into that or somebody cont me Bill maybe you and I can talk about it see what can be done okay all right I just wanted to bring that up since we were talking about trees so I guess a follow-up question they're going to replace the dead trees so do we get another two years on these trees no or this is it I think it's one year whatever's left so these these trees they got to live CU otherwise they're leing all this money from the state so that's why it's important that we make sure that there's a watering mechanism in effect and if we have these Gator bags it's a lot easier to fill them every so often than um I mean I guess we have an obligation to taxpayers since the township approved this grant well we have to take over now since sh tree isn't so we have to make sure so yeah I'm just looking on Amazon here a four pack of those Gator bags 45 bucks we need L yeah but I'm sure there's I'm sure like if you got how many 100 200 how many trees to 200 yeah yeah I think they're only replacing like 50 of them so 10 pack 100 so they would be the 50 that we would need the ones they're replacing May the other ones will be established there's some more that died I'm sure you saw that so I'm uping my account to 50 yeah okay at least all right so we'll look into that and find out what the cost would be um but it's something it's a shame we didn't consider that at the time all right I'll check Phill thank you Kate all right continuing clockwise around the room Lieutenant Warren hello everyone um we had obviously given a conditional offer to an applicant tangra gumis and he passed all that required testing so Chief tilder took him out to get fitted for his Academy uniforms um all uh per information was sens the academy so he's scheduled to start August 5th um we have one officer now who uh Chris ORF he scheduled to finish his last phase of FTL next Thursday so he's done very well um patrolman Karns is in his first phase he's doing well also so we're looking pretty good in that regard um we also recently we had as did Matt Bar M Bar we received a letter from uh the mayor and Pence aen uh Thanking us we sent an officer to respond to a uh civil arrest they had had about a month ago so he sent us a letter just thanking us for um they actually requested uh pretty much any Department in BR to count resp so we have some yeah pretty much so um so we we send an officer but he was was thankful when that was nice yeah we got to copy that letter it was nice so but uh other than that that's pretty much it good pretty light thank you Basel Mr Fen you you've been been you haven't had much to do the last couple weeks right it's really quiet don't use the Q word never use the Q word we went from a public works to a tree Department um we've been quite busy um we picked up 132 uh cubic yards chipped up brush that's that's probably our one of our biggest brush stop that we've had since I've been here uh we cut all the township properties four times we took out the soccer benches at the Field of Dreams uh with the tables and all down at the columns uh I got the electrical cabinet door fixed I had the guy that uh he's got a special welder to weld that and he fixed that for us which was oh it's Dreams yeah the spr Box um he put up the speed bumps there and they're really a speed bump I'm telling you yep you don't got to be careful there John very they are like going into Liv be careful you've going into Living Springs on Park yeah that's what it's like it's I mean you only have to go to like five and under well that's the point try D try driving a piece of fire apparatus in there we really did the only thing we didn't get there we we put the ballots up uh Del Ran had three or four ballards and we brought them instead of going and buying four for the handicap out at the Field of Dreams we got them cleaned them up and they look new so we save some money there we're we having a little bit trouble trying to drive the poles in for the signs because the ground is so poor but it should be good now hopefully so if you don't see two signs there if not it will be after this week rain yep um we had so many trees I I I you know the last storm we had was out at West Avenue and we had quite a bit of trees that went down across the path well I went up this time and nothing but there was probably 30 out of out of the Hulk Island H Island and they went both ways along the road across the road I mean from the beginning of the gate all the way to the point they they were down but I got them cleared and um so uh did you see the note from Paul Newman yeah he's what he's on a job I don't know what you're talking about well he I think he he wants to be some kind of Communicator so he can go out so I don't know how we could ever do that but I think um because they were breaking glass and he was worried about all the kids the fam come there did you see the picture you got it no he sent an email of all the trash like apparently they're picking up some of the trash and they leaving others but there was a lot of broken glass and nobody's picking up the broken glass he just sent a picture out I I guess yesterday was it yesterday or today yeah I got it um and I know we're trying to put trash receptacles out there but I don't know how we can continually do that but apparently they had a clean CLE up crew out there doing something and they weren't picking up the broken glass I guess for fear that we've been picking trash up there was been some bags out there yeah and then where he um did you see the picture where he wants us to put the cans he drew a little M well I mean he put this little pole in about this high off the ground you know instead of showing it and then put a circle or something you know but I had to look all over and I did find them so did you find them yeah I'm just going to put some old yellow recycling buckets for now okay because if I put new ones out there they'll be going to be going down the hill so um can you yeah I will we replaced two signs at Newton's Landing um and started to pile the leaves up um last time I had a guy come in and uh he went through the leaves with the machine and they're ready they're ready to go now we I'll just uh pile them they'll probably about 40 piles just never seems to end on them um we cut two Residential Properties for the zoning department um and also we're getting a price this this last week we started getting the prices for the water tank and you can get all kinds of prices all kinds of sizes and I figure between 100 and 200 we'll put it on the back at the pickup where we can take it on and off with fork clifts or whatever uh we'll be able to get and I want to get um powered one so if we need to go out and uh Supply water to you know one of our pumps that you know for power washing we can do it we can have access to that so that that'll help us we're filling Gator bags can water trees would you be able to water yeah would you be able to fill Gator bags or something absolutely good that's what's for but I mean you know to get a smaller like you got to get at least a 100 or 200 because you're you're you're oh yeah right through it real quick yeah it you know and some of these trees really need a good dring you know they got it because this been just too dry yeah unbelievable drwing and that's all I have all right thank you very much for all the work you and your department have done over the last week I know I've been out there with you and the guys and it's just it's it's just mindboggling how much trees came down I was you know after that storm then there was another little storm right and I I I I've been here a long time and I've I just when I think I see every tree that it fell some of these trees we Pino's House on Pennsylvania Avenue it's probably the biggest flowering pair that we have well it looked like somebody had just ripped right off at the base of the tree and it if you look inside of you you studied a little bit you see how Punky it is and I don't know how it didn't go down any sooner than it did but there was two trees that were like that and um I I it just it just surprises you how long that they can stay up but I mean and this went all the way across the street and went on the railroad property I mean it was a big trade it's probably one of the biggest was the biggest flowering Paar and some of the ones that went down there were those were perfectly healthy just the amount of wind like the one over the one we were out at on Delaware w you saw that how twisted that tree was and and and the one by next to 719 where another one right where well that was rotted all the way up that was rotted but it was to the back kind of you the problem cutting that reason we had a little problem cutting that is because it was all filled with dirt and people were putting trash in there so hit it with my chainsaw the first time and then I know there's a problem once you hit it and there's something inside you know grew around metal and but it was I mean it was sort up with dirt good good looking soil and it's all from the ants the ants they just devastated they that in front of the statue yeah yeah yeah what are we doing with that tree it's down now the whole tree is gone I took it down oh okay yeah yeah but I I got to get back to do the stuff I just uh was doing other things that day and had to try to just get it down and it's not like you have brush pickup or anything you do yeah thanks for coming out on a Sunday night and everything else I tell you what it's nice having two young guys that's good good job Harry and it's very nice to have two young guys and when they come in working and they shake their head then you know you a you're having fun now thank you John anyone have anything else for John no but thank you John we appreciate thank you so much I think the park close signs that you guys put up in fod one of them blew right out oh it ripped completely off of that post it's too big of a sign you know you know that they weren't made of metal yeah yeah it just needs a different met like a metal backing or something like that that wind it just treated like a sail yeah wind been just terrible oh I know a tree fell my house I I've seen the wind and and the one trade that I've been waiting for for about 20 years has not fell down yet dead it's dead dur and that was hit lightning and 20 ft down it's Hollow on the back side it's 100t tall and it still hasn't fell you just jinxed yourself thank you John Janice nothing at this time thank you all right uh Township committee I'll start to my immediate right Mr what uh see the history board was out at the farm Fair last week and had display uh set up with Lano and uh what I heard the storm that came through some of the materials got blown and blown around in the tent but uh sound like otherwise than that it was a success I wish we could bet on the History Fair always being the hot week of the year because it literally is the hottest week of the year always yeah I blame them and that's all I have mayor okay thank you okay okay yes let's see daa Del R uh tryouts are continuing for the travel softball team which is called the riverdell rebels um fall soccer registration is open until August 1 and reg istration is open for the um upcoming basketball program for 20 2425 uh they're always in need of someone to work the concession so please check out their web website and sign up um if you want to know what's happening be sure to check their Weekly Newsletter it's very um it's filled with all kinds of things I think sa does a great job and their next meeting is tomorrow night here at 7:30 um uh backyard hens Suzanne and I met with a resident on June 29th for final inspection for her installation and for her hens so now we have four um uh she has been officially approved and paperwork has been submitted to the township uh she has three hens uh the board met on July 2nd here to discuss the process required documents and complaints uh it was nice to hear from the members discussing their hens they talk about them like like we talk about our cats and dogs so it was really it's interesting for me um it's a lot of work and once they realize when they review our ordinance because we did have somebody who uh was interested and when he we sent them the information and he looked into the course he decided that it was too much work to have them so we really have a good program and people aren't just going to do it for the heck of it um and and uh letters are going to be sent out if we receive complaints I only received one complaint so far that we thought was legitimate I sent a letter out and um they said they didn't have any hint so no further action was required on that one uh Sewer Authority we met on July 9th and the trunk line project um uh has been completed uh the project should be closed out in the next month or two there's still some paperwork to be completed the work at the pump station is progressing the emergency backup pump and the submersible pumps have been delivered uh starting today uh there will be a bypass pump outside the pump station until roughly August 16th while the work's being completed uh the contractor was installing some temporary fencing around the manhole and pump equipment and barricades traffic drums and Cones will be set up for saf safety 989 Cooper Town Road is showing activity and E is waiting for the results of the administrative review to inspect the drains so I'm not sure how far along that is Janice is because you had noticed too that there was activity out there and um did they come in for an administrative review or something because that was mentioned at our sewer meeting yes they have been in for administrative review there were a few things missing from that packet so we are waiting for that Ed Rano is waiting for that they um do have to get with S I don't know where they're at with their um sewer uh obligations there's a drain in there that we had concerns about and Ben wants to get in and inspect that and they have to uh submit a um more complete narrative on their operation for the administrative review packet so um we're waiting for that but they they are in they are um you know uh getting things done to get that administrative review packet completed okay good those for 989 K 989 yeah yeah 989 and Styx there's no new update the office operator's report is on file uh Waterfront Historic Park um I just wanted to note this for public record that I was reviewing my paperwork I showed it to Caroline tonight the first uh stabilization um preliminary plans Harry do you remember these they were uh dated in 2008 and the first water front development permit was sent in um in 2009 from Land Development I think you worked with Dave Denton then yeah so I mean that's how long this Township has been working on the waterfront at Zer Brook so I just when I was going through that file I was reviewing a lot of stuff to see if I could Purge anything and I said oh my God look at this that long that many years it's incredible but anyway I did want to let you know that uh yeah 16 years later progress has definitely even finally made so government does move slow uh but the township committee we met out there on July 3rd um at 8:00 for a photo shoot to officially uh document the start of the construction that will become a beautiful park hopefully the spring of 2025 and the history board I wanted to mention that the open house was not held this month because they were at the farm Fair um but the next open house will be here August 17th from 1 to 3 and uh I I wanted to mention again that the display in the cabinet out there is my decoy uh collection from my grandfather who lived in Delano on the Delaware River and a house boot he built so I hope some people come out and take note I have several books that he's been written up in and other members of the township as well so um that's all I had thank you thank you very much Kate Caroline what you've been up to not much um Recreation did not meet this month neither did uh joint L news board so it was a good time for me to take a vacation because nothing was really happening so um yeah well welcome back to the uh the states welcome back to the States and I'm sure you and Al are very rested perhaps we did we did lots of European research on how their governments work and I brought back all sorts of ideas for I not you're not expensing your vacation to us thank you I thank you Carolyn all right um see since last update on June 24th um first and foremost I like the other members of the committee we all attended the funeral mass for Elio Kario otherwise known as Vinnie as everyone calls them and without exaggerating they were well over 500 people there plus many more viewing online from home and this just goes to show how much he was loved by our community and how much he will be terribly missed and our prayers continue to go out uh to his family as they move through their new normal of without him physically being present here but he's always going to be with us all forever right um I attended the Fire Commission meeting on June 25th normal business occurred I had the priv privilege of conducting a wedding ceremony on July 5th I've been doing daily visits to the seaw wall construction site it's just fun watching how fast these guys just work and accurately get the job done and it's they're definitely moving faster than the entire permitting process like Kate said government does doesn't move quick these guys do the contractors do especially when they want to get paid so uh they're doing a awesome job out there and like I said earlier within with the 100° heat they were they were out there like nothing last week just getting the work done so it's moving on great speed and ahead of schedule which is always nice I um just on that I've been working with Scott Taylor um just to get the fence quote he has received that um for material and then he's going to price out the labor so he is working on that actively um I'm staying on top of him so we get that fabricated it's going to be about 19 in stainless steel was like over 100 gr so we're going to go with the uh the aluminum which about 35 right now just for materials um including the stamp from the engineer and all that so um it's being worked on you made those calls from Italy right I worked on my vacations my vacations are always working vacations Al shaking his head yes yes so right Show Must Go On absolutely uh I visited the field of dream site this uh week weekend to check the progress of the field lighting as Harry talked about uh looks to be moving good as all the conduits in there and the equipment out there so that's nice uh July 8th I attended our monthly project management uh meeting with Harry and Richard to discuss all of the ongoing projects we have in town uh July 10th I attended the preconstruction meeting here for the Field of Dreams lighting and Vis and like I said I visited the site this weekend and uh July 10th I also interviewed along with Janice and Richard our proposed CFO that is on the agenda this evening to bring on who will be replacing the retired Bob hudnell who left us last month uh as I mentioned I was out with uh Mr fenmore a lot uh during the last couple weeks with all the storms and also with my haton uh Emergency Management coordinator uh let's we were busy the uh you know the fire department we were we got 15 uh calls service during the last storm and we were all over the place we had four pieces of apparatus all throughout Town blocking intersections making things safe and it was uh crazy to say the least and as uh we've seen the majority of it was centered along the Walnut Street Corridor all the way from the river all the way down to the creek within I'd say within a two block radius or two blocks on either side of Walnut Street is where the majority of the SE went and I think by John seen nothing down at West Avenue that's probably a accurate statement so um you'll again nice job to John and his crew and of course our fire fire department for responding out there and finally I attended the Board of Ed meeting on July 17th the new principal for Pearson School Ramone Santiago was introduced he comes to Delano from hesport where he was the fifth through eighth grade principal and director of curriculum for the district and he sounds like will be a terrific asset uh for our district that being said I am disappointed that besides the board members and some teachers in the district not one soul from the public uh was present and I get that it's summer I get people are on vacations but it's no really no different really than the rest of the year um the same people complain about things going on or not going on in the district are the same people who don't come out to find out exactly what's going on so I really i' like to see start more people coming out to those meetings and coming out to these meetings but uh get off my soap box for now on that matter that's all I have to report for this month thank you Matt for keeping the public updated with all the OEM notifications and storm notifications I think everybody appreciates the communication so you're quite welcome and some time in between then I slept not much and I want to thank you too for the video for the um for the new principal that you've posted I thought that was really helpful because I was unable to make the meeting but it was really good and I I think you're right I think he's going to be a great addition to the school system 100% he he has a long history over 20 years in education and just from him talking for those who didn't see the video he he likes to get hands on he said you won't see him in his office unless he's on the phone he'll be going through the school doing yeah whatever principles do in the building interacting with the children that's great which is exactly what we need and it's nice to see the district starting to shape up again invol to our interm superintendent and of course our Board of Education members thank you all we will now go to the consent agenda consent agenda items are considered to be routine and will be enacted with a single motion any item requiring discussion will be removed from the consent agenda all consent agenda items will be reflected in full in the minutes does anybody on committee have any questions or need anything pulled from the consent agenda before I read them no no all right good this is a long one ordinance 224-18 an ordinance amending chapter 250250 of the C the code of the township of Delano governing streets and sidewalks at article 3 governing driveways this is the first reading by title only and going to set the public hearing date for August 5th 2024 ordinance 2024-the at chapter 197 governing governing haulk Island first reading by title only and set public hearing date for August 5th 2024 ordinance 2024-25 governing signs first reading by title only and set public hearing date for August 19th 2024 resolution 202 24-13 resolution of the township of Delano in the county of Burlington state of New Jersey appointing temporary entrylevel law enforcement officer under the alternative alternate route hiring process resolution 2024-25 resolution appointing Treasurer and chief Municipal finance officer pursuant to njsa 4A col 9-1 14010 and njsa 4A col 9-1 14.13 at seek resolution 2024 105 resolution authorizing the entry the execution of a contract renewing membership in the Burlington County Municipal joint Insurance Fund resolution 20241 Z6 awarding a contract with Fab Trak for acoustical panels resolution 20241 7 awarding a contract for stormw pipe replacement project at 719 Delaware Avenue resolution 2024 108 authorizing a change to order number one for the Field of Dreams field lighting project resolution 2024-the resolution 202 24-11 resolution certifying leans against certain properties for the costs incurred by the Township in accordance with chapter uh 135 of the Township Code payment of bills current fund one 1, 24,636 77 payroll $275,600 $7,881 $1 4,624 75 housing trust $140 approval of minutes from June 24th 2024 approval of business licenses 202 24-18 2024 D21 and 2024 d46 can I have a motion please for approval of the consent agenda so move second right motion By Carolyn second by Kate to approve the consent agenda roll call please and mayor uh for the record on those three ordinances that were introduced tonight 18 19 and 20 the public hearing for all of them is 7 p.m. so that minutes will reflect that they will be at on those dates at 700 p.m. thank you and M mpat roll yes Mr olette yes Miss Seuss yes and Mr Bartlett yes and approval of minutes June 10th 2024 I imagine somebody was absent that day and can't vote who I'll abstain okay I think that um Miss Fitzpatrick I was out on the 10th 10 and mrot you were out and with Mr Templeton at will'll need to um actually carry these to the August 5th for approval we don't have uh only you and um Miss Seuss can vote on that so we'll need uh to carry that to the fif all right and I must say when our consent agenda is really long and I have a lot of stuff to read it's because we're getting a lot of stuff done and same thing with all the other ordinances uh we're up to ordinance 20 20 and how many do we normally have Janice because you yelled at me the last week about the the publishing cost for the bills because we're getting stuff done we usually average US 15 to 18 ordinances per year I mean some years we've had quite a few particularly when there's land use being revamped and things but it's usually 15 to 18 ordinances and we're in July and you're on 20 already so my publication budget is shot well up it for next year because it's going to keep happening we're getting activity with this job done very good do we have any correspondents Janice I have none thank you all right meeting is now open to the public for any comments or questions this is session number two again if you have any comments or questions questions step up to the podium and give your name and address for the record Mr Weber here it comes let this go couple things uh one of our owners who was happens to be a civil engineer retired he's questioning why the Township's not uh putting into to our cracks in the patam because it would save from the water Dr going in and causing it to uh break up even farther that was my first thing I I know nothing about that sort of thing and Mr Fox you he's he's right the crack ceiling is can extend the road life considerably and I believe that town is looking into doing some of that yeah I think we just talked about that recently I'm just bringing up town dream on for a while we didn't hear and just for I'm sorry Ray just for the benefit of the record just give your name my name is Ray Weber 22 ships I was going to give it for you I thought 20 ships but 22 22 ships all right uh second thing deals with lieutenant waren and police this morning South Jersey driveway school and DMV both of them came down and did UT terms at emry and Newton land B they're still doing it okay and you're telling me now at 04 I was on my way to a doctor's point I didn't have time to call and that kind of thing but that that does nothing I understand that but what happens is you could go to the DMV and expain to that we've already told them you know that understand the thing here here's the thing we we we can't be any and everywhere I understand that we Chief and I sat out there last week cuz we got the issue with the speeding yeah we put the digital sign out there him and I sat out there in airc for three straight days no Dr schools came through nobody sped through either guys are in there I can if you want me I can provide you the incident we have officers conducting property checks throughout your development 24 hours a day they make notification on that through Central and we document the same but if telling me now we constantly tell people the same for you put your phone on the speaker and call let us know because then we can get them in the app we've told DMV DMV they're not going to necessarily enforce that cuz they can't because they can't control the driver SCS they can control their DMV guys because the DMV guy was one of the gentlemen who did the C who did it was a DMV employee inside the car inside car cuz he had the yellowish orange vest on and he had his Pad there that doesn't mean he was the DMV employee right that means he works for a company there was two vehicles South Jersey was the first one that was just the South Jersey driving school and what was the other one dm it was a homeowner's car with the DMV gu sitting in the pass the problem with what people have been doing we explain this to the council before we have people privately giving lessons so they'll literally take a magnetic sticker and put it on their own personal vehicle and they're give driver test yeah and then they'll go finish their their testing with or just to practice if you will and then they'll go and let them take the driving test that's the DMV but again telling me at 9: I get cuz now obviously we'll tell the guys continue to patrol the but there not much we can do right now not understand I'm just letting you guys know I had this conversation with Adam before I told he's told me the same thing I'm just saying it's still happening even though you guys were out there I know you out there there was two guys out there yesterday afternoon and both of them one was sitting at on Newton's Landing Wilson I think it is which is over the tow houses and another one was sitting up on Creek Road waiting for somebody to come by on fo and I mean we have the signs there sign but I'm just saying this is what I'm saying myself and stuff like that bu we've been trying to do it but not obey no u-turn signs all I'm let you guys know is it's still not working but we'll have you guys can't be everywhere every time again we try but I mean you got to look at from a perspective as you heard earlier we were talking about the U as far as the Serv traffic with that survey majority of our accidents are people just disobeying signs I understand because they're doing any and everything else but paying attention to the room I know now this here obviously they're willfully because there's two signs as you know they come in and say there's no u-turns yet still they go and con look to u-turns because it's what people do so if we can get them obviously we're going to site them you know but they're they're in there they're sitting in there but they can't sit in there for the whole D of the Shi I understand that's why like I said it's more beneficial when something happens you tell us then I could we can send a guy over because now oh South Jersey there's only one South Jersey car over there come here so we're going to have a conversation but tomorrow there could be a South Jersey driving car there but it may not be the one that was there today you you got you got to let us know when it's happening M the other thing deals with what uh Tom brought up about the trees and stuff um what happens is in Newton's Landing in fact even it was uh July 10th we had four trees taken down because they were dead the trees are dying were taking them down because they're they're they're a hazard two people and two vehicles CU two of them are right next to parking right next to our parking lot one of them was back over by high tent uh a telephone pole and and wires on the backside behind ship's way and Old Creek Road as I will call right back in there these trees are dying we're just taking them down because we're we're worried about the liability thank goodness we took down the tree on on wton in landing a little over a year ago was that trade would have came down because when we cut it down 95% of it was hollow inside and it was dead but people wanted to keep it on the safe side and that's one thing we're always looking at is on the safe side of things so with the township and with with the state coming up with these ordinances and telling the township they got to do all these ordinances and stuff they got to get their head out of their wherever that's I have thank you thank you Ray thank you Ray um Lieutenant war on uh race point about the cars going through this going around the u-turns can they make a civil complaint to the police department against that absolutely so so if they witness they could give you a tag number and make a complaint against that absolutely absolutely but like I said the goal would be which like we want to know oh yeah the goal is to active because more than likely they're practicing go take the test yeah so they're still going to be in thecity right um cuz lately what they've been doing a lot of their schools actually been using the parking lots next door town as well as up the a little bit um and as well as the uh rank skating uh parking lot but yeah Chief and I we we took terms well you sit out for a little bit I'll sit out for a little bit be can see as well as the guys making their you know their normal P but um but yeah now DMV we went to them we spoke to them and they they advised but again they don't oversee the school so they just made notific listen you keep doing that you're going to get cited by the police so they okay I'll just say what an epic failure by these driving schools having uh their students conducted illegal terms conduct illegal terms I'm pretty sure they'll get a mark on their Drive I know about fail but get a mark on their driving test uh they did that but then again seeing a lot of the drivers out here they may just pass absolutely complet disregard the sign so do you have the digital sign out there for the speeding right now no the well it's still there now still there okay cuz usually we try to keep it for a week or two depending but because I think what when was that last like Wednesday last Wednesday made so we had to put out the next day is it you're marked for anything else in the next week or two can we put it at that intersection and put no u-turn there there's signs I know but maybe the the digital sign will get more dummy digital sign will be flashing in their face whenever it's free it should be back on ranus Avenue because the boers that come down there it's amazing how they turn that corner onto ran cookus and they are definitely gone 40 by the time they reach the marina we're putting it back it's crazy yeah we need a speed you need to feel the dream speed bump now that's where going to go back to we're going to mount one of those signs right in front of your house permanently installed okay yeah now going back there yeah right can we put a temporary speed bump on that road during the summer be great you can put it right in front of my house do we need to do anything to do that no you wouldn't no cuz then they're stopping and bumping hear that all let's see with the boat hear them boats going across that call John will you take it mooving about 100 ft up right for F put it in front of f i put it in front of f have yeah it need be right around the turn uh like right Beyond sty um a little bit beyond because it's a I don't know how people can get that kind of speed but there is one there's a fell that lives right on that street uh on ranus and he gets in his car and I'm telling you he's just like two houses before me and he's gone 40 by the time he reaches the corner and his car makes such a noise it's amazing I I was standing out there the other day and I thought how and call the police by the time I call the police he's gone he's already around the corner um he burns rubber going around he does yeah again civil complaint give him the follow your maybe I hate to do that to my neighbor though speed bump speed bumped so even if we put it out there put it right in front of his house temporarily for like you know yeah June September yeah yeah that you know that might not be a bad thing to look into we could take a look at amending we need do we need an ordinance or resolution or something temporary speed an engineering written opinion do something encourage to qu temporary speed temporary would resal you don't encourage it we' have to look at that permanent oh really well I wouldn't recommend a permanent because then we're getting into plowing issues right John a speed not winner no we we get we removed yeah intentionally or not yeah right uh do we have any other members of the public who want to ask anything while we have this open no nothing good Cindy you're good sure all right okay then we will close this uh public session thank you uh just yeah I'm very very tired uh discussion items we don't have anything I don't think we need another executive session session I tried to say session yeah and I'm not even six hours behind time like you are uh can I have a motion to adjourn pretty please so move second second all right all in favor I thank you very much for coming out everyone thank you sir we got a couple good stuff for us particularly what you gave about getting a grant reimb oh yeah um