>> Michael Groves: another challenge  like to call the meeting to order. Mike if you roll Mr. Becky, right Dr. Brown here miss dress. Yeah, Mr. Essen player here miss Hollywood here Mr. Knuckles. mississ  I pledge allegiance to subscribe the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands why they should come to God individual with liberty and Chuck's draw. Michael could you please read the same and concerning open public meetings public notice of this meeting pursuant to the Oakland Public meetings act has been given by the superintendo schools in the following matter on January 10th 2024 notice of this meeting was posted on the interior of the School administration offices 95 Grove Street, Haddonfield. Britain notice was submitting and followed with the Haddonfield Borough Clerk and notices were EMA to The Courier Post and the retrospect newspaper. Thank you. We're going to get started today with our student Representatives report we have the mower here today. Hi everyone. So basically I'm just gonna go and overview of what we've been doing this past month. So tonight. We have a volleyball tournament. It's like an environmental club fundraiser students around the school  participate in a fun volleyball tournament and help raise money for me and interest species, which I have to go attend to presentation. Um, we have the spring Sports playoffs on the boys and girls LaCross baseball and softball Boys Tennis boys and girls track and for rowing one vote in its Nationals. For the end of your concerts, we have Haddonfield sing instrumental instrumental thespian inductions and dance recital. on for tomorrow's Memorial Day assembly which the student council hosts it honors our veterans and there's a short singing routine that the students thoroughly enjoy. For AP tests, there was 713 exams given. Um for wellness day, which is next week. We despite ball tournament about Bounce House a color run a pie face  contest yoga therapy dogs, Mr. Softee and the family of a war veteran is presenting and handing out shirts. On for arts in the courtyard. We have the soul sound a hip trip to the evolution of black music as well a high school student work and performances. And for the Boe survey for September we want to get feedback on potential  student projects like Multicultural day Junior trip to DC and helping people want the option of taking AP sooner like AP Lit for juniors. And for next year's fall play we have fantastic Fox and for the musical we have Mamma Mia and that's all right. I always get Chuck the more they should make you a really nice job. Yeah, I lose it. Everyone saying tell my father the song Human Christ. He's going to do a great job. Is not especially as a Memorial High School. It's one of three times. We stopped everyone stops with us. Oh, yeah. Thank you. I'll stop by tomorrow. I'll share my  We currently have AP English.  That's the lit portion as the senior year AP offering so you're gonna see you if you come in both receive years deal. Sorry to that point 7 19. have 830 kids in the drawings you're almost one. test per person. I'm not I just take my people tables. That's still score our side. That's a large number. That's actually 27 area. I think 27 different.  Yeah, 20 seconds on that's pretty impressive.  Requirements. Oh  energizes in next we're going to have the  Our weather setting up. I am Mr. Actor. I am the director of the high school Jazz Ensemble. We're gonna play our song torpedo for you guys. Suggests favorite. We're also going to be playing two other songs of foggy day with Elena Who was Roxy In the musical she's gonna be doing a foggy day vocal tune on a concert on Tuesday as well as pick up the the pieces so  This one's Perdido and I'm gonna play play through this up because  really good  Oh.  feelings  you are  know  also and Riley on dinner for their solos. Thanks.  Thank you very much for more at their Oh, yeah.  Okay.  We're gonna now for the English language arts and Thank you.  And of course was as well and they were just wonderful today for naturalization ceremony very much appreciated their performance. So today, we're here to present a year long project, which was our audit of our language arts curriculum cake as well. I'm really excited to present the  highlights of our recommendations. I'm not going to present the entire thing not all of our research or our  recommendations because when I did that for Dr. Priolo, Mr. Klaus took about an hour, so I don't want to pick up that much of your time. I try to condense version for our curriculum committee, so they did hear that the full version will be available. On the website starting tomorrow, so I'm going to try and provide you with the highlights as much of the changes that you will be voting on. not this month. Not until June. So first, I want to recognize our team this team of teachers and Educators from our district worked throughout the year that we met monthlies.  They worked on projects in between meetings as well. And I'm really excited because here tonight we do have our elementary language art specialist. Katelynningham Molly and Stein and Jessica kozniak who are going to help  me with a few slides that relate to the quantitative and qualitative survey results.  this presentation as well as the presentation that will be presented to you on the website or publicly forward-facing include an overview of the audit process the survey data that we collected from teachers families and students are  research findings and our recommendations and so I want to start and talk a little bit about the process our process  included a lot of research. We reviewed our own programs, but we also reviewed the programs of other high achieving districts in New Jersey. We engage stakeholders and I'll tell you a little bit about that on the next slide. Our process will include a phase one of implementation which will be our elementary and secondary. recommendations and then a phase two would will include some  recommendations for high school course changes that will take a little bit longer to implement. So our research included looking at the programs and curricula and comparable districts. we reviewed our own Curriculum maps and the correlation to the new Jewish, New New Jersey student learning standards, which were just released in October last year. We met with teachers at every grade level in English Department in the middle school and the high school multiple times throughout the year to  get feedback from them. We also have focus groups. We had a survey that went out to  families and teachers and to seniors which we will go over later in the presentation. We analyze our njsla scores a little bit furthermore than what we presented to you at the start of the school year and we did do a lot of research on best practice when it comes to English language instruction.  Used for the school districts that we consulted with that included meetings emails phone conversations. We reviewed their programs of studies and the majority of these districts are day districts, which means they come from similar socio-economic backgrounds as Haddonfield as well as high achieving districts. So we're gonna start with some of our  survey data one way. We engaged variety of stakeholders was through multiple surveys. We released the survey to parents earlier this year. We received 292 responses from parents. We invited parents to respond to the survey either collectively and thinking of all of their children or separately for each child if they would like to we also engage our teachers and we received 62 survey responses from our ELA teachers in the district and when we served our 12th graders, thanks to our English Department. We had a very high response rate from  our sir seniors we received  more responses, so I'm going to turn it over to caitlynahan who's going to share some  Trends from the teacher.  Server, she's not going to read this whole slide. It's just gonna give you some highlights. I was told to let that personality but not talk too much. very complete, um, the majority of our Ela resources were rated as effective from our teachers, but the areas of grammar and vocabulary scored lower scores and those areas were all so mentioned in our needs assessment portion of the survey with teachers requesting additional professional  development in those areas and that affirm that it was somewhere we could look at as an audit team to really focus on throughout the year as we were looking into to do when we were looking at our core  reading materials, that's that second section on there. We were looking at the shift in focus for the lower grades particularly something we did was we switched a little bit from leveled reading to  decodable text and that was viewed as very engaging by our classroom teachers and thank you to again to the head and field trust to was able to get us some extra declarables this year. um in the older Elementary grades middle and high school though the audit team received feedback on which novels were seen as most engaging and relevant. And which ones we need to  reconsider and possibly replace. Lastly overall our elementary  teachers are satisfied with using the units of study as our Ela framework alongside supplemental programs right now. We're using foundations and framing your thoughts as some of the supplemental work and teachers seem to be really happy with where we're headed with those.  Yeah, so Molly grinstein will share some of our parents from our city, right? So this was kind of I got the good slide I think and you know, there's a  of positive here. so the parent surveyed collected both  quantitative and qualitative data. We were really pleased to receive so much specific feedback from parents that really helped us to kind of  guide our research. So I'm just going to read a couple of the quotes here. I've been very satisfied with the ELA  education my children have  experience. I was actually been happy with the Middle School experiences to try to pick some from the different level experiences. I think the ELA program in a high school is one of the strongest that this school has to offer and we have been very pleased with our sons teachers and curriculum since entering School. the supplemental programs that Kate had mentioned Wilson framing your thoughts have been beneficial in teaching foundational reading selling  and writing skills. And we had a lot more, you know parent praise and these were just some. Olent yes or yep. Okay, and Jessica p**** will give us some of the parent feedback trends  that include some. Response suggestions. Yeah in quantitative data parents  reported that their Elementary children are interested in Reading engaged and have multiple opportunities to engage with various texts.  However, parents did report that their middle schoolers. There's a decline in Reading engagement and reading stamina  specifically additionally in regards to writing instruction parents Express concerned about gas and foundational writing skills and were requesting more visibility into their students writing. So that's just the summary we have some additional details on this slide that you can view. later on. So I want to share sort of a synopsis of the strengths that we saw at each level and then areas for group that you swallow. So although we have a lot of areas that are going to be highlighted on the full presentation. I'm just going to share three  strengths for each level and some like really focus areas for us to make some improvement. So In terms of the elementary level some of the comments that you heard from the parent feedback and the teacher feedback was that Foundations at the elementary level has been a really  effective program. We've had that program in the district for several years. There's a lot of media right now around the science of reading that is promoting phonics instruction at the lower levels, and we've been doing that for quite some time. We've been doing we've been using foundations and greets K through two  consistently throughout the district for many years this year. We implemented foundations in great three as well. So it includes those foundational reading and spelling standards. But also in grade three novice here it includes cursive handwriting  instructions so we can implemented that District wide this year. the framing your thoughts program which addresses sentence level  writing foundational writing skills and grammar at the elementary level really beautifully aligns with the new standards. So we walked out with that and then in terms of the reading and writing units of study in grades three  through five. This is definitely a strength for us.  It's rigorous instruction. It provides a high volume of reading and writing practice and our students demonstrate strong performance on njsla, especially in the culmination  culmination of Elementary School in fifth grade. At the middle school level we identified that literature circles provide students with an opportunity to talk about the text that they're reading. They really enjoy it. It allows them to read a variety of text at different levels and it supports the speaking and listening standards in eighth grade. We really noted as a lot of strengths including the accelerated option that  utilizes Advanced text eighth grade in general has a very  rigorous curriculum and I think that we see that in the strong performance on our state test results. And we also have some of those evidence-based supplemental programs at the middle school level. So those same programs that were  mentioned for elementary also support struggling Learners at the middle school. in terms of our high school teachers really utilize a variety of resources if you go into any classroom, you might see students reading novels poetry books articles, they select those texts very carefully and they provide students with engaging and  thought provoking Learning Materials the curriculum really emphasizes critical reading skills and effective  communication analytical writing. I'm very much enjoyed spending time in High School classrooms and seeing the level that students are engaged in their High School classrooms and our high school performance on assessments is also very strong at the state level only about 32% of students score above 600 on the SATs and in our district 60% of students score 600 above on English language arts section of the SAT, and I'd be seven percent of students  demonstrated competency on the njpa. so over, of course, there are areas of growth and that was really our Focus. Where can we make some improvements  based on our data? So some of our own challenges include not surprisingly kindergarten because we do have a happy kindergarten program and that's not going to change next year. we need to adapt what we're doing because currently our programs and teachers were to implement them the way that they're supposed to be  implemented. It would take the entire Kindergarten day to implement just reading and  writing so there's just not enough time to implement the program that we have selected for those teachers. so that we saw as a challenge additionally in grades one and two the program that we utilize does not align with the science of reading necessarily it does have some strategies in there. They're contradict the research that contradict the standards currently that have just been released and then for them fifth grade, we have a word  study program called words their way and the new standards really ask that we teach students about Greek and Latin roots affixes and morphology,  which is the smallest unit of meaning in a word and that's a part of the standards and it's not a part of our current program. at the middle school level we identify good seventh grade was definitely an area of concern now, we identified that early in the school year when we looked at rjsla results But then our curriculum audit and the teachers in seventh grade. also indicated that the curriculum at that level does not have the same level of liquor as other grade levels.  So we need to make some revisions that include additional texts of writing assignment. currently aren't techniques of writing course is a course that was brought from the high school to the middle school and it no longer. is that same course? that was originally brought to eighth grade. The current program has been in the hands of a lot of different teachers over the years. We have some turnover in that program and it really lacks sufficient River when we it also did not align with the new writing standards and test scores Although the program is currently in six and eight grade indicate a greater need for extra writing instruction and six and seventh. grade an additionally grammar was an  area that we had some concerns because there is not an articulated scope in sequence. It's not you know, we learned this in sixth grade and this and seventh grade in this and 8th grade. We need to really revise our grammar scope and sequence so that it aligns with the new standards and really provide teachers with updated  materials because the textbook they're using was published in 1995. So that was identified as an area where we could make some growth. at the high school level This was really intriguing to us that students in accelerated English 11. Have really limited options in 12th grade. They either can go to an AP option or a CP option or only take electives. all the other research districts that  all those districts on that slide that we had had an option for Accelerated English 12. So that was an area of concern for us. Another area that we noted when we looked at those programs of study was that all of those other districts  offered an AP English option in 11th grade either AP Literature or AB language and composition. So that was an area of concern. So, what did we do? We surveyed the 12th grade students and said well if you have had a  chance because we wanted to find out what the interest level was if you had a chance to take AP English Literature Journal 113, would you have wanted to do that and 31% of our seniors this year said they would have wanted to do that. We also asked them because not every  student wants to take AP English some students really want to take AP in math and science and not necessarily in English 20% of our students would have wanted to take an AP. I mean an accelerated English 12 options, so they would have wanted to go from accelerated English 11 to Accel. of English 12 so that it didn't look on their college transcript that they dropped down to a CP class or that they overloaded themselves and Senior year by having to take an AP course in order to look good on their college applications. So based on all of this research we made some very specific  recommendations again, this is just the highlights of our recommendations. These are some of the things you're going to be voting on next month you  have lots of time to review that I'm probably not going to talk about all of these one of our elementary recommendations relates to administering evidence-based Benchmark reading assessments three times a year. So currently we do not use an evidence-based reading assessment. We do not report Reading levels to parents. This reading assessment and Cater 2 is called mclass. It's an all-in-one Universal screener  at screens for dyslexia. It tells parents and teachers whether students have specific areas of weakness and foundational reading skills.  It allows teachers to progress monitor students. you have concerns and then it provides teachers with instructional materials. So it says oh this group that's struggling with this particular skill here are some resources you can use with them in grades three through  five were recommending the IXL Diagnostics Snapchat and this  assesses students in all kinds of readings and literacy skills. all of the ELA strength. So vocabulary and grammar and all of those areas provides them with lots of  different questions with different kinds of tests and then it provides grade level proficiency, and those results can be viewed by parents as well. because of that kindergarten concern I mentioned before we're recommending trialing a program called bookworms It is an incorporates reading and  writing and also science and social studies. So it includes a lot of nonfiction texts read alouds that can benefit students and multiple. And grades one through two were recommending updating the materials They have teachers have so that they are aligned with the science of reading and the new standards and word that we're recommending to adopt a new word study program in grades  four and five and this is more of a vocabulary program. So it teaches students Greek and  Latin roots meanings meanings of suffixes prefixes and help students to understand. how knowing those parts of Any Given word can help you to understand other words as well. It's called working Magic. Again, we talked about increasing the  level of shared writing pieces and communication with parents based on the feedback. We got and then also more guidance for now that we are teaching Cruces again. Let's generalize that in grades four and five. students get a lot of practice We're going to recommend that same  reading assessment all the way through eighth grade. So that IXL snapshot will be  administered three times a year all the way through eighth grade. It's a very efficient assessment and that the first time students take it it takes about 45 minutes, but after  that it's much shorter because it isolates exactly where students are and each area and then the next time they take the assessment it starts down right at that level where they left off. We also identified that Middle School teachers don't have common rubrics for assessing student writing. So that's something we're  recommending that that teachers utilize a common rubric with the progression of skills. Just like at the elementary level in the Middle School level. We have a program or recommending for grammar called patterns of power. We're going to trial this program. It's not especially expensive. We feel that teachers can utilize this program as an extension of  friend your thoughts in that it utilizes actual literature text from published authors to model sentence structure teachers.  explain what the sentence structure looks like and then students can imitate it in generalize it. We are recommending a major revision of the seventh grade Cur. riculum summer to increase the igor we're recommending to replace  the course techniques of writing with a course called writing Essentials And this program will be guided by a structured standard space writing program in grade six and seven. So in sixth grade, they'll work on  narrative writing affection unit and then seventh grade they'll be working on literary analysis. We are also concerned about the reading stamina the decrease of reading stamina and time spent reading so we would recommend that students spend a minimum of 15 minutes every day during tutorial engaged in independent reading. We also were received very positive  feedback from The Librarians.  who said we would love to come to classes and do book talks and get kids engaged in the books that are housed in the library. So they were very enthusiastic about it as we're the classroom teachers. Not just the ELA. In terms of our high school recommendations.  I'm sure you're not going to be surprised. here. We are recommending that we develop an accelerated English 12. and in doing so we also have to revise our CP English. to our so that we have two distinct courses as a result. We're also recommending to offer an AP English option to students in 11th grade. That will be in the 25-26 school year just like the accelerated English 12 course because students have already selected their courses for next year. We're going to be recommending AP Literature and composition because it's a natural Next Step from 11th  grade from 10th grade accelerating English. Sorry.  We're also recommending that we have more consistent practices for summer reading assignment assignments and our professionals development. I didn't mention this on all our other recommendations. We do have professional development  recommendations and one of them that helped true across all levels with vocabulary  instructions teachers. ask for more guidance on vocabulary instruction, which we will do we will also work with teachers in all content areas at the Middle Stone high school to  better understand the writing groups and what teachers are in English are teaching students about writing so that the history teacher is expecting this same level of written Communication in that class.  the cost for these implemented this implementation we budgeted I was asked to create a budget very early on in this process. So I kind of tried to estimate how much would be needed and I told Gino 40,000 and with all of these costs we ended up with a final cost of 39,395 and the only recurring costs none of  these costs are recurring except for M class. which is this assessment for K2. It is required that we have a  dyslexia screener and it is required that we make sure that students have developed those early literacy skills. So we felt that that recurring costs would be worth while so that is it for our presentation. Thank you very much. And anybody has a question? Just my price is right now. I'll just correct you even both showcased allows everywhere. Okay. Have one with them. Morphine magic.  Yeah has classrooms been implementing that already or to teachers have access. So one of our fifth grade teachers our fifth grade teacher leader has an implementing it in her classroom trial. Yes, just because I saw like my daughter's third grade class. They had a really great unit on Latin  roots. Yes, prefixes and suffixes. So yes if it's gonna get even better than that, I'm excited. Yes our third now that we have foundations in third grade. So that's coming from Foundation. Yes, and we are now that we haven't in third grade our students should have should know all of become spelling rules in English by the end of third grade and that's the new standards expect. That students know and can spell all six syllable types and all the  exceptions and no roots and suffixes. and process that I have a question about  kindergarten. Yeah, absolutely understand the challenge there. I didn't understand. What the solution? Yes actually is So currently the way our program is set up. It's a separate program for reading a separate program for writing a separate program for foundations for  findings. We can't do all three of those so we were looking for a program that combined reading and writing and then as an added perk we look for a  program that included a lot of nonfiction texts that included science and social studies content thinking that that would help lead together. All of those content areas bookworms is a recognized program in terms of you know, it has had research on it. It's being utilized and multiple districts actually throughout Elementary School. We didn't think Our needs in the upper grade levels, but in terms of kindergarten if you have 45 minutes, you can teach reading and writing using a lot of nonfiction realize and fiction read. Aloud where students are responding to the text that is presented to them. Thank you, and one other question knowing that you did research with other districts like ours. I'm certain they all have full day Kay correctly certain of that. Did you do any research on you know, how your kids stack up against them? And what is the the lift between  kindergarten and first grade to catch up to to those other districts like that? Yeah.  There's not any published information on student performance at the end of kindergarten so it's very hard to compare our students. The lift is just really volume, you know, really kits in full day program. So we actually went to observe this program and Pennsauken where it's being used in a full day program.  They there are three components in the program. We're only looking at one comp Onent and when we went to observe this program students were really  performing similarly to what we're seeing in our classrooms, but it was just more Consolidated and connected in terms of what students were  discussing and writing and reading so that was the lift will be that once we do have full day. Icon, we will be able to reexamine our programs and really make sure that we do have that high value of reading and writing that other District. s in kindergarten, but we're doing the best way with what we have our teachers is doing a fantastic job right now.  They're utilizing a lot of excellent resources. And that's what I think everyone on the committee. I know put in a lot of work. I love to see getting back to some of the basics in terms of the grammar consistent writing rubrics teaching the basics of writing informatical structures and Roots. I think that's all really great Because we know as they get older, you know, everything compounds and having the systematic outline of the framework throughout the whole district will help us catch kids who maybe are are really those gaps are going to be maybe because they're struggling not because we're  all using something a different material and it's gonna make it much easier to identify areas of Need for student individual students. Um, yeah. I just think it's great. So I thank you so much. I know that Precision that that it takes to really get to this and And taking a hard look at what needs to be? improved because we were just talking about this. how education is constantly changing and the new science of reading is really has a lot of great data behind it. So I'm glad to see we're acting quickly on it. That's great. Thank you. Thank you very much, and thank you.  Okay. Thank you so much, Mr. Klaus.  I will say that as a guy who  Became an English teacher. I was hoping for diagram extensions. I love vibrating sentence with $500 dollars full and I did not love the person right because the person  running because some might my nuns didn't know can work out great for me son. I'm gonna talk tonight about topic. I think we're going to be interested in. Um, I'm gonna start by saying it there are no answers tonight and I just talk about what we see coming we  would never this is we're talking about elementary zoning areas our Catalina areas, and we would never just come back say this we're gonna do it without spending a lot of time talking about it when every option and having feedback from people because this is going to impact If we do it, right we may not know this is just what we're looking at. This may be something a consider Mr.  Statement if we're going to hear this. This is why I have a conversations if we're going to continue academic Excellence.  We can look at our elementary schools how they're populated where they're populated all those things if you came in today just if there was a  handout out there that has enrollment numbers. And the one side is our current role. This is where we are exactly today. The other side has two columns shaded. the what the non-shaped apart is if based on our current attendance moving up a grade and the number of  students currently registered to come to the district next year. That white part is If today twenty of May 23rd 20 25 This would be our enrollment numbers. And then the gray area is where we are today in development.  So you see the impact of the number of students we have coming in. So this might be handy resourcing people people have go through this. Really look at where we are and look  at what we maybe have to say.  So these are our numbers. These are our current enrollment  numbers and in the blue are the projections for next year. So that sheet has all these this is a four year look back so you can see us over time growing. This will be posted tomorrow, too. I have a lot of charts on here. I'm not gonna spend a lot of time on Ox you probably wouldn't have more of a discussion about this and we just give you a bunch of information about this. Is high school middle school next year? and as you can see, um, both are high school's coming down. There's a large graduate class for me in a small Raceway class Middle School sing about the same. This is our elementary numbers next or district elementary across it. So we see about there from 1268 to 1306. It's a pretty good job because he's he's individual.  of grade level, but this is we're going to look at today if we want to talk about right now. This is Central School projected enrollment for next year. It's currently this year now the 75 is highlighted in bold and red. That's actually 82. Seven students are being displaced from central school next year and going to live with that. Because we have fantasize of 25. And we're maxed out. I'm going to talk a little bit more about how that looks what that looks like it toward the end of this and now we have the hand how we handle this year. Maybe how can be done better? this is how Same thing you look like the Central School. You also look at those numbers realize that. 75 from greatest K through three is maxed. We have a Max of 25 three sections of school at 75 in fifth grade. He goes to 81 so you look at those numbers.  We're really. heavy there  Right. This is high. Much more numbers the 67 this old we read there that represents 12  students coming from two other school So Central sending seven a 13th Street Central 7x. you're catering six. That's our first grade numbers look like next year. And by the way. This could be a one-year thing many of these student many of these kids are going bring their Pre-K kids with the siblings with them because there's families of three and four  moving it. We have one family has four kids in elementary.  He's being displaced in time right now. We said all four. Do we keep just one one had three at Central? So that's a type of sage. Our families are making right now based on this. Here's Tatum. Once again notice that big bubble there the kindergarten. Their numbers are there. They're big. I think we're half day. kindergarten Chatham who's one of the things like that. They just want the full day. We want a five districts. I think left in the state without with half day.  kindergarten Chad and used to have a lot of them. They would filter kindergartens up and pay tuition. So. You want to fully kindergarten we'll go full day. We have a lottery who wouldn't pay tuition and that's how they funded. Um, so that's some of the challenges they had some of the things that they have a address. But once again, we look at that that population there is wrong. Um, this is a 10 year look back at our enrollment. You see Central has been growing pain for a long time as large Central analysis past and we see hadn't is this lowest we roll it? Um, so we talk about whether we want to talk whether we want to think  about changing catchment zones. challenging balancing to get more students. It hadn't trauma said from from Taylor without displacing them because they're full how there's a plan as opposed a reaction.  So these are just some chalks and this will be posted.  Usually you can see this is up the last five years of enrollment at Central School. from the 75 that's the max for three or four grades. They go to 81. You got the two. Um, there's our hidden data once  again much more room there and is Tatum, but this is Just this is one five, but this is crazy one to five. I broke to some Grace won the five. We've removed kindergarten Pre-K  because we're not filling them up. We would assume I would assume I had a guy just might be thinking my logic if we had full they kindergarten the fully kindergarten numbers. We're looking exactly the first grade numbers, right because you take advantage would not be going to Christ the King or to one of the locals churches or whatever Beach would they would be coming to us? Right? I think that's what happened it fairly safe assumption. Um, but this is the one I this was the last-minute struck me. This is next year's enrollment by school. each one So you see Central School there how bad how bad that is? I had no site did not turn my tapes. I can't remember what time I had. So I looked at this if you took look at Great one to five. at our current policy of maxing out 25 and 27. Raise one to five we tried abilities with three sections has a maximum  capacity of 387 students  Right. That's when we start shipping students other parts of town the out of section has a lot of problems one is there's no space. We simply don't have enough classroom to put it. secondly adding another section is probably  $200,50,200,000 add-on because you got to hire multiple teachers. It's not just a classroom teacher. The way art specials are set up which are management which are necessary for. let me contractual obligations of prep time. We would have to hire additional phys Ed or in World language teachers too part-time movies. So it becomes a link. That's not so much more things just  adding one more first grade teacher. That's why we make the option of moving so out of the 700 or 387 Max in our schools central. next year has 377 really 10 seats about the central school next year. on and remember seven are already going to have Right, so we are right now in a point where this might be a bubble. This might be a thing, but we have to  think about what if it's not what do we do next? this Is the reason why we're talking?  This is our camera Captain zones. All right, so you see where the lines to buy them. I there's three if you can't say there's three little greenish. bubbles there they represent the three new. developments coming into town Um, so the biggest one it's just we  learned about that sweet. I'll talk about each one of these is one up here. This is a backup property which is 120 units. I have the exact data look out if I remember about it 120 units a hundred eight of which are market value and then 12 before the housings. One two, or three bedrooms. You don't know that you don't talk about. That the one just north of that line. Is the place have Snowden? that's 20 units all four little house the one on the other side of the line is Ella Street 122 2018 122 Ellis Street, which is 19. It's three or four will help. That's a lot of you that's coming. And that's why we're here to talk about this. You'll also notice. Where they land? Right. They're Landing in Tatum and Central. We were already overcrowded. So we have to either change the policies or rezone to make this happen. I don't know how many students were to come. I'll talk about that moment. But I'm telling you students come. I mean, I'm not only being brilliant there. So if you look at our map. The challenges. how do you get those students in those three areas through your develops if they come? Hi. There's one of two things we can do we can shift Central a lot of central had and six part of Tatum essential or the ship the two. And when we look at those zones, I'm going to give you some areas that I look at quickly whatever this two zones.  There's a lot of challenges all of us First of all, we love our neighborhoods. We're walking District. This is what we love our neighborhood schools. We don't want to move away from this. We have these cognitive the fact that the resources are challenging if you look at we go back a couple slides. This one if you're in Central School. You would have maxized class your entire time. Which means teachers are getting matched size classes the entire year of years here. Whereas in other it had you're not getting it. They're getting the best of 20 year. You're not 25, right? So This is a this is not just okay, We're making it worse. This is like long term we would do we  want to try to make sure that there's Equity across those states, of course that size. a place that have 20 minutes for one bedroom two 10 two bedroom three bedroom townhouses. They estimate that completion early next genre now. I call them there today and she said it's more like today. This is like this this time next year. We probably my fear was they get done in January and they dump in 20 students or two students? In March, I don't know right I will no idea what to do. What what we're hearing now is  they're gonna complete it now  probably place. You know go through the affordable housing applications students will be  kidding Us in the Summer full of following year which gives us a breeding. That's that's really good news actually. because he's with no answer for that,  But that gives us time to give an answer that gives us whether it's changed policy of zones, whatever we can do one or two on the top of that little bit later on. That's something we can think about as we get through this. the next unit is one AT&T and 122 Ellis 18 units I gave this market value six one bedroom. nine two bedroom and the four wheel housing.  There's two bedroom one three bedroom. I went through what I figured. I did some crazy math. if there's excellent, there's a 32 batteries that aren't I'm here about here's my fall process. and a three bedroom  and two children, they're like 32 kid groups, right? That's how you might not I must think you might have right and here there's five or six children, right? Because I'm not I don't know that I can't say that all these people really get two bedroom. Just having kids.  That's fine. But this I have to go to panic mode because I'd like I need something to worry about not sweet and just gonna be right now. So I'm working. This is helping me a lot.  Bancroft area 120 Apartments a hundred made one two bedroom houses 12 or 40 housing one two or three bedrooms. The newspaper said 18 the mayor told me yesterday in a meeting. It's 12. So she said that's about  newspaper was being correct. Um also what was on the paper so the whole time for Bancroft the whole thing went was going to be County Health really because we aged targets never age restricted. The apartments are smaller Apartments. There are 1200 square feet. I think is what the number she said to me just in conversation. so they're not giant spaces. So that's still aged targeted. um, if you think the Muse the music age targeted we get very few students from the news, right? So it's it can be effective.  It's a started so I'm not sure this is going to be There's other concerns about bankrupt  that are not number students coming up you talk about that now or talk about later if you want to I don't know who's gonna cause an influx of hundreds of students. I don't think it is. I ask you to refer developed to me. No numbers students. For example. the hand Township on Haddon Avenue has a that that apartment complex  down by train? Oh. They have a dozen students from there.  just like 200 units there so they can get a giant influx of students so that if you use that model, we're gonna get a thousand students maybe from your 10 maybe but here's a difference. We're not our neighbors and a lot of ways. So I did do some research here these numbers I think are pretty significant. Which our population is roughly? We have 2,800 students. Highland towns of population is 145 they have two thousand students. to go larger fewer students my theme Here is people come here for  the schools and will fill the places up to get into the school district. So I don't think we'd use Haddon accounts as a model of what that's going to look like. Colonies would 14,500 students 2,200 for example, 145 200 students Cinemas a very similar to us. 16 five to their 4,000 people more same population students Morristown twenty thousand residents 3,900 students so more sounds nearly One that needed by this you had your  science guy. not Toys R Us size but a significantly bigger. But only another 1100 shoes, right? So isn't that above our shoes called a little bit more? So my point with those numbers is portable care who we are and what the impact of these houses of the units. would it be because people come here for very specific reason and the  opportunity maybe to get in here even it's just for the high school. might be attracted to people more so there may be more of our neighbors results. I want to say anything bear any response. I'm not saying I'm the same word, you know. always so is it? Is it time to read I may not right? This is really a question. There's no decision, but one side I love we are tradition are. That's who we are. We are walking district with neighborhood schools. We love that. It's our identity. It's who we are. I don't want to change that never would. The other side if you do need to  balance enrollments, our facilities are maxed out. And we're just starting right now. We we are displaces doing this as we speak right 13 first graders, whether it was about 32 students currently. Who are displaced The District in elementary? Next year should be more. And part of these numbers. So if we go all the way back here. I don't want to go too far back. We're already not following friend here because in Haddon. Choose Landing odd number houses are  supposed to be going to Central most of them. Go to had no writer. To already have a bunch of kids not going to the schools just because they're crossing the street in addition to all those other kids who have been displaced. All right, so We're not if we if this not if this chart were to show addresses not enrollment. If you weigh differently because a number of kids not going to Central who are going to other buildings and other kids attain about our bills. So there's a lot it's a lot to think about it. so basic time  considerations this is what if you were going so kids right tradition balancing enrollment proximity. walking distance walking routes safety and what are the changes eliminate walkability, right? We want to be able to walk to school.  That's what we'd like to do.  you know, so if we consider for it to do this, these are important things we might say, you know, what? It's not worth disrupting. The right side of this for the left side of this right? Maybe it's not worth.  Maybe we could figure out other ways to deal with there's we're creative people we can come up with Solutions. We can talk those things through That's a big that's point of things here. So. There's something this I was hoping this workout so much better that I could there's it. So if you look really closely. Little blue dots all acrossey marks. So you can see her if you cluster crossing guards around our schools and then we had two crossing guards. Who thinks you're crossing guards on? Both of them. My friend's school right one by friends and one by Hopkins. They have one on on King's Highway at one. At the corner right here. one  right down in front of the dinosaur and then one down the cross to go to Haddon. I can't remember these three straight  guys West End. They have one down here on Warwick. For kids crossing back coming over there. You have to figure that's where if we're good if your changes that flow is important right where we can cross it kids crossing. Kings Highway Haddon Avenue Warwick shoes, just they're serious grows. You don't want kids crossing If You don't have to cross and that's why this map works out. So well you really are saying. You know, you don't have to cross the street a victory take where you are. No The Crossing cars are there for middle school high school too. Not just work from the Elementary's but as much as you want to you want keep that type of thing of mine and and that's not walkability of safety. You don't want to make decisions that are gonna say, okay. We're just gonna do what's easy. And x y z and have kids go so I'm gonna show you so if if we're looking at whether engineers. It's gonna be a long time. We're gonna have many conversations about this then this is a First Amendment. Where would we look? to make changes um Here's the first place. I looked at. So this is interesting. Most people. I know this God you see by the map here. This is around Speedline station up the Hatton Avenue background Library. That's a technical school zone. Okay, this little tiny milk of central school kids who cross had an Avenue and I make that you make that happen, right? That's an easy thing. That's Five kids a year, maybe if that's not every year. It's not a big movement. That's not gonna move the meal too much the one people talk about and I've been told to swing Zone, Although most people. We don't know what that means.  currently the line from Central that had is choose if you don't move that line. To Warwick that would move a lot of kids. right just on average for the six years I did that look back. By great her great. On average that moves 18 kids per grade level a year from having the big number almost too big  actually, there's overflow that that's that's too big of a number right? But what you could do is you could do  something like yes, you could say, let's split it here at I think or let's split it at you know, not I just think chocolate that and you cut that number back them out. Right, there are things like that you can do that would make a  difference there. you go next year. would be moving along  from Ellis. We just go right across Kings Highway and have that whole thing across the high school from here. Just go that way. They're not Crossing Kings anymore. Another cross hadn't go there that moves about Nine kids per grade per year, right? That's a smaller one. But that would be you know, was it  that's not helping. in case into Central which is already  crowd, right? That's that's a hard thing to do. So you're looking multiple things. You're gonna do that. the next one if we need to get kids from us from Tatum. The hand you go to Woodland. Say okay we cut wood lady had to go there remember crossing guards I talked about the whole son of my God across all those kids. That's not good idea. Right? So with that that's another area that moves about 10 kids per grade per year would be golfing team that um I don't have a good answer for this. I've just started playing around maps and Counting kids and doing stuff  like that and trying to figure stuff out. This is something I think we're gonna talk a real man. We're gonna get some experts in look at this more closely than we do. This is something very roughly a  feedback from the community to say how much smoothly we want to do this and What's our what's our end point on this we're doing certain making  certain decisions because there's going to be a pain point if you do Another option. We revise our policies. Right. we say we're not going to change these we're not going to do this. What can we do differently? We don't move any zones at all. We're going to solve this problem. We've talked about three zones like  that's something how do we use could be instead of saying we're changing the line. We identifying areas like popular based on enrollment act this  school versus gospel you go to the lower wrong School. Right and then start shifting it that way who knows everything so we're not changing our line.  You're saying we're gonna a little bit different. How do we do that new enrollment processes? So right now, If reduced how do we how do we assign this place students right now? We do and I I just find it wrong with you. I was in powerless. We have a lottery. Because it's easy.  Oh, I'm not Society. We pulling out of a hat. Whoever is there against this place? Well, if I live on Glover, I look out my window in the morning and I see Tatum I use a lottery I gotta go to hide. meanwhile, someone else wins a lottery and they're block off of Haden and they had to come negative too that that's we've we got to be better than that, right? We have to say, you know what we're gonna make a decision. we're gonna decide this is a better way to do it and do it and with people get upset they get upset. That's that Mike. I would recommend something you guys should approve it or not, but that's my job. I guess I this is not a lottery is easy because no one's the blame for the decision. But it's not the best thing to do. There's a better way to handle that and just say we're probably name a half. I think that's what we need to talk about. Um designate School data science and what I meant by this is We can say um registration ends,  February 1st, very fit. We tell you where you're going to first grade next year and people who are coming in after that. They are automatically not part of  this. Um, what happened this year? Which was perfectly in our policy, but kind of I don't know. when people understood the crowdedness of first grade we had student people. Pulling their kids from private half  day fully kindergarten. taking kindergarten spots for half day and saving their seats for the next year, right? Not everyone could do that. And so that was like, okay, that's perfectly what we do, but that's kind of I don't know just didn't feel right. Maybe maybe I'm but what's the thinking that? But if we said okay, you know, here's what we do. Here's our policy. boom, and it's all laid out. then if we decide not to move the custom zones, which is fine. at least we know exact people know exactly what's going to happen when they come and what's going to go on as opposed to finding out. Oh my God, I go into this Lottery  figure out what's going on or I didn't realize this was happening. There's gotta do we change we do in our policy?  That may solve this problem without making any drastic decisions or things across across the across the board.  Now the fight the final thing I wanted to talk about quickly and I'll think because demographer um We should consider doing this. we have a bid in. To get a full-blown thing 25 you do  any one of these things less.  Here's the thing.  the option for whether by the $10,000 when a power coming, I'll do this tomorrow. So he'll do all the work and then come and give us information to  little speech. You guys are great. Every bit of data use is by the Rutgers study, but it's state like that. So it doesn't distinguish Haddonfield from  Cherry Hill from Edison from Rockstar. Whatever doesn't do that. option Force as we're looking at communities like Haddonfield. And see what happens in their towns when that happens and tell you  specifically what you can expect as opposed to a general Statewide. This is what happens across the state. It's really ConEd in and so they'll look at that Bancroft the housing  Advantage. Yeah. It's not going to affect you nearly as much you think because even though you think you're gonna fly to  add that doesn't happen petition around the state. Right. Now I've said about five times my guts telling me. my gut won't be telling me anymore, And I'm it's 25 a lot. I think you might be worth it Sears  conversation investing in this. um when we do this next October after we have our state numbers in for next year, so October 15, this will be and that's that's our official number enrollment based on the state. We would do it then. If if we have till the next summer.  Because that's when it's going to take to have these places  constructed that would give us time to take this study. Look at it have a conversation based on that and then start talking and go serious about what my next step should be. Um, but that's that's where we are.  That's why we're having this  conversation. We're kick it off now is it this is first probably a lot we're gonna be talking about this, but I wanted to get it out there.  That way people know we're talking about it people understand. This is a conversation. I want a table I suppose you just hearing. Oh, yeah, by the way, we move your your mind and then if and then it's a whole different conversation like we just try to blend this in and we just say no. you're moving your school next year. Just move everyone right because after they did in Medford right borrow 10, don't do that. Jess and I feel very strongly that moving. Fifth graders is not the way to solve the problem. I don't disagree on just saying that's one of those things we'd have to look at and say hey. So and I think will not be surprised that I'm the first one to say anything at this topic given that I  drive by Central every day. I'm going to drop my daughter at Tatum. And I've heard from a lot of my kindergarteners classmates in private school in town that they were very glad that we kept our policy the same this year that we have since  abolished in terms of registration for kindergarten but the tendons out of districts still saves your place. I think that is something that should be on the table as we consider options for how are we going to manage enrollment is as long as we  don't have full day Kay and I know I made this argument before and we voted against it, but I bring it up now again. If we don't have full Decay and we have people living in town that are sending their kids to full Decay private school programs because they need the full day coverage because they think it's right for their kids. And they know they want to come back here for first grade. I think that those people should be  able to reserve their spot and confirm that they are going to be here and not have to have the situation where you have people pulling kids from full-day K and and them mid year and that was That can't be good for anyone. It's not good for those parents. It's every kids. It's like a district like So the the demographer it is is it? Well, they look at all of these things. Will they look at should you change lines?  should you have swings over? So will they give us that kind of they they will do they'll customize this what we want them to do, but we'll sit down with Mercedes draw up. These are things the features we  want. I would think they're gonna be alive if you want to move. These are the moves you should make I would say this. The demograph live in town, and he makes it difficult. What moves should be made. I imagine. There's a very analytical but taking account some of the field of the  community. So we would take those as recommendations as guidance. more interested in. what he sees as the potential impact of the new developments if he comes back, he's just looking at six more kids. There were some problem solved,  right? But I'd like I'd like someone to tell me that who has an expertise in these areas, you know, my concern is I just think we're at a bad spot. Um, there's a couple concerns one. We're having a demographer come in and they're not built.  They're not applications. We don't know who's going to be living there. yet. And so I'd be curious to know I mean are we just getting I mean we are we're just get their best guess. Um, I think we we plan. and we've been doing I mean we have our our long-range facilities plan, but going out for referendum as best we can to accommodate more students. um I guess my my reservation. is they still don't know? Who's going to be living in these these apartments and second of all  the rentals. this is this is a long term problem. This is it going to be Solved I don't think by swinging a boundary. I mean it's going to help. but the population we don't know how much turnover there's going to be big but we're I mean, we're not even that stable now and and we don't have we have, you know, 150 less Apartments, then we're gonna have in two years. So I guess that's my concern is if if he's if the new places do generate students. um our bet it's still a best guess because the population might change. I don't have an answer. I just and I agreement it's a better  guess than I can give you it is a better life and maybe that helps us. I want to change value lines. I don't if I can solve it through policy. I do that. but I don't know how big of a cast that is right now.  And so and so maybe we talk about it. You know what let's let's play around with what policies we can make. And look at that say I think we've got this one in control and then we go from there and then we can have this conversation again next year you're after but I I feel I have to put it out there as as I think you're wrong. I do think that some boundaries might need to be changed. I guess. I'm just not sure that. I have we have to decide on the demographer now. I'm not know that that's October 15. That's what's called. Whatever reason I know that I I brought it up and the reason. That I so conf. lict, none of us have ever done this before and this is a major decision And do you get someone who's an expert? That's the one one side the other side of me says They're going to be very analytical. They're going to come back with data and there's a good chance. We're going to say, yeah, but you don't know our town. So that's not gonna work for us Anyway, so there's really gonna say anything that I think been an incredible amount of work to get to this stage. don't think it's best use of your time. So is there A happy medium between the 20 30 grand. It's something you get the data that we can with the feeling of the town and knowing what we're dealing with. so we can go back here. All these are options. Yeah, right so that 25 representative. You try every pick ABC your day right We can go back and see what's this is the information we exactly want what you think based on towns like Haddonfield you development and their  increased. What is a minimum package we can get to just that number. We don't need to do a line strong. We only Max we have those I can I can drop pins in with addresses around  just as well as you can. We can go back to that and see what else we can do.  Able birth, I think.  My my feeling is we have relied on Experts before and we've over relied on their expertise and so is there some happy medium of saying you have this expertise, but we also have an expertise of knowing our community representing our constituents. So like can we can you bring this data? We bring what we know and can we you know, okay. Can we can we you know spend hours trying to figure that some policy lines. Whatever like can we brainstorm? It's I I reached out to my  superintendent cohort. Um, no one else has done this. and the answer your most often is we went to grade level schools, which I'm not interested in doing. So they weren't helpful. But actually I was hoping to find something like that. You know and I you but we can  certainly explore those things. So they definitely the Jones work with the district before he knows a town very well. So Mike and I can sit down with him. He's just pull a proposals and say what about this X Y and Z can we do this you do that and reach out to find maybe there's other people who have those expertise. they can do for us. I mean You know, I want to have this conversation before June because I thought people might come tonight here hopefully watching tonight and see it. They're watching I'm getting comments. Because this is not something I just want to have. Oh, yeah, look we're doing this is crazy. Yeah, and I think you know clearly  whatever partner we decide to engage if we decide to engage in expert in space. I personally feel very strongly that this is an investment.  that is really needed. Right like none of us are city  planners, you know developers Etc. This is so complex and Chuck again. Applaud your initial attempts, and I  understand it a lot more than I did, you know. an hour ago, um, but you know, the reality is we're already like even putting aside all of the new  developments coming our way quickly with not a lot of complete information. I mean, we don't know what to expect  and we need to avoid the total panic mode right? Like I get what you're saying your job is to help ensure we figure this  all out, but there's a whole lot. We don't know right now. The reality is what we do know, we're already like bursting at the seeds in all of our existing buildings. So regardless of redesigning, you know lines and revising catchments. there's like a bigger issue. So I'm just kind of stating that that's obvious. I think everybody knows that but but I would argue that is all the more reason why we need some experts to help us. I'm really more worried about. The place you had to go Snowden.  And Ellis, I am the Bancroft five years. This is 12 months. I'd like to piggyback off of what makes said and bring up the pilot program because I don't think people understand the impact that that will have I was gonna say because while it may not I know I'm but it's Gotta Be gotta be brought up. Yeah, I agree. while it may not generate a huge amount of Jim. I think I should take a step back and talk about what pilot is briefly. Okay? Yes. So so a pilot program and Mike could  probably spill but I'll introduce it to kind of because I I know the non not non-like business term of it. So a pilot program is a payment in lieu of taxes. So what that happens is to attract a builder to come to a community and  and build the the borrow is able to have an agreement with the builder that They won't pay taxes instead. They're going to make a full payment to the borough each year. So it's not tax revenue. It is a payment.  And that payment because it is not tax revenue does not go to the school district. It goes specifically to the burrow. A school district does not function on only some community members paying taxes. It really needs to have the support of all community members. And so while we talk about these  changes it's going to fall on all of the taxpayers in the community and not this one individual property because they will not have any  responsibility of any taxes including any referendums that we vote on. any any increases that will all be offset by the existing Community mem. ber and I think that's important for  people to understand. I realize that there hasn't been a  decision made, but now's the time that we need to be comfortable like vocal about it because a decision hasn't been made and knowing the impact that this will have one. The school district is is important and the community really because it impacts everyone's happy.  You have the location of the traffic and the location is going to have an impact directly on our schools and our facilities. So even if there are sending a ton of students it's going to increase a very small road. Yeah. I want to go back to the pilot though  because I mean that's a real impact on all the taxpayers.  It means all the taxpayers in this town shoulder more burden because that area is not we're also limited too and how much tax we can increase right? So yes, the school still gets what the school gets but instead of it being spread over everybody. It is spread of thinking it's to us we get less money to do more with them. I don't get less sweet if they're still like we still get our two percent cap. What it means is the taxpayers over here. Nothing not the taxpayer from from the building the developer. They're not paying their share. The the taxpayers the rest of the  taxpayers bear the burden of the additional tax, but whatever those kids don't cover the two percent. I know we get some exceptions when we have on how students but I'm worried about the situation in which let me  if I can just so in the research that I've done because it is that the rest of the taxpayers that shoulder the burden what has been done is that Burrows or cities will work with a  school districts district and they will say we're going to give you a portion of that payment that comes in so that it doesn't have to be  shouldered by the rest of the taxpayer. So I would hope that if there is going to be a pilot that the borough will talk to the district and then there will be a portion of it. that will be earmarked for the district because all the rest of the taxpayers in town should not have to bear the burden.  that I mean the potential win their shoes, right? If you can get the barrel would agree that if they go with a pile which say the side. And they work with us. They can say we'll give you X number of dollars. whatever send it but we can still get 2% Plus that that's actually Revenue beyond the two percent cap. It's already go. We can go to we're not we're gonna be able to present no matter what the challenges and my bike games free my confusion. Can I just a very confused by that? I think I'm thinking along little lines of stuff. so you can go to percent of the taxes tax increase right? But that money isn't counted for the taxes. So when you're looking at a 2% tax increase you don't count that pilot, right? But if it was  then you would count into two  percentage. No, so this you know we go two percent of our tax living. Yes tax dollars, but that's not it's so it would it be counted in our text Levy. No you actually this year's what 41 40 So you have 41 million doesn't matter how much taxes in town right? So this year even whatever. Our Point whatever percent was here. 2.58 was the number that we could  that we actually readables that just the taxpayers are not getting a 2.58% increase. They're getting like a 1.5.  Right. So there's the assessed valuations increase by four. So if that were in place it would still be two point eight three percent, but instead of the 1.8 all the taxpayers would then be paying 2.3 because we'd have to shoulder the burden of what what is not and my concern is say you have a hundred and twenty Apartments. And we they might say, oh, we're only gonna have six students. what if the amount of students that those hundred and twenty Apartments send exceeds. the cost that we can increase by 2% by and they're not children any of  that burden which means no different now and the NGS ba it was very clear that that doesn't work. You cannot do a pay for people you can't pay based on the amount. Oh, no, I understand what you're saying. Yeah, right right. Like let's say if we come up with an  agreement, but we shouldn't even negotiate thinking about the amount of students that make my concern. Is that the increase in students could increase our costs as a district in a way that are not going to be paced by the two percent. We're allowed to increase such that  we're gonna run into budget cuts where with health care costs  increasing and other things  increasing the quality of the school district is necessarily going to decline if we are limited and how much money we can raise and this group of people here is exempt from  sharing in that burden in any way. Yeah, how how do we make sure that we're not going to that's the life of school district because ready what if there's what there's only but we don't normally say like you have cancer come out about the camera that development. At this Replacements, that's could be a hundred thousand dollar each kid. That's just a little the life of right? That's just how Audi's work. But if they were not in a pilot program, but the property owner had to pay property tax which then would be passed on to the rental owners who would pay for that tax. It's tied more more cleanly to okay, we're part of this community and we share this burden equally versus  we're a black box. You don't know what you're gonna get and also you're still packed by what you're capped by and we're gonna throw extra kids in your pool and you don't get any more.  What we're regardless? Yeah, right, right. So the difference is the impact on the community other taxpayers. Yeah, that's you. We're gonna get what we're gonna get. We're gonna get our two percent. Whether they said one kid no kid, that's good.  So the difference is Especially the referendum right? So yes, if you think with reference  reference that's really good because the referendum can move into apartment there take the benefit of the referendum and not pilot program usually 25 or 30 year contracts and like that are our friend and bond  referendum will be 20 years by the time the referendums up.  Was paid off so it's paid off. There's still no tax so that that Burt entire bird of the referendum that land is Voda but nothing too is understand. They still have to pay property tax on the land. It's just the development of the land. So the structures are so where the  property taxes square foot the acreage of land. Okay, that's actually paid. It's just any improvements on the land don't get success. So you when you build a new building your tax bill because they're just here, but it's How I understand there's fun because the role understand you complexity. but that I misspoke on that you were specific things like there is a 5% obligation of that pilot Revenue to the county, but that's it. That's the only statutory obligation They have the other typically somewhere anywhere between 10:30 years Cloud agreements. I've never seen anything less than 20 the most recent one that I actually worked on when I was an honor was for hospital. That's a 30 year college game with with with worries and the district  does get money for that for that pilot agreement. Now you have something to that's that way they non-residential Hospital  right here and that's a good example. Yeah, so what I do.  I'm very curious about the payment structure because what does that look like? is there front loaded is it ended like and like? oh, are they happy with it? You know all those all those things and they just experienced a Huge state aid deduction. Yeah, but this pilot Revenue was probably something that helps them. stay where they've been. Yeah that's dependent on the borough deal with it with it's whatever see all their Town Administration would establish. So I would hope that that something  similar would be done because if not, I think that it's not fair to the rest of the taxpayers don't have would that be something that as a board you would be able to at least  initiate like if like once like listening to reach out to the tech barrel and so, um talk to the mayor a times as we all to sit down go over to details  look at the plans with us have these conversations for things get finalized. She's really emphasized over again. There's been no final decisions on  anything just a general intention. agreement, um pilot has not been put in place yet. Although it's mentioned twice in one of the Articles. it's really attractive thing for Builders. So You know, it's something that you have to be aware of probably going to be pushed pretty hard by the Builder. I mean the borough but certainly are going to sit down have some conversations with him about that and if they decide to go that route why we are not but somebody said in my left hooks told them they're very clearly. We are going to speak out openly against the pilot. Um, just you know, and if it's shared, I think that that's that's definitely  that's a different discussion, but it doesn't eliminate all the No, I think it reduces them.  Well, it also will eliminate how much we have to do increases so things like that. I mean it could that it could help in  that way. Yes. You Chuck just said something that maybe remember because so why why  would I mean this penalty and then all so developer? Why would they want both sides  benefit from this greatly the  developer since they're not paying the the taxes on the improvements. It's it's less money. They would have because the agreement it should be it's a move point if it's not but that agreement would be less than they would be paying if they were paying taxes.  municipality wasn't because while the total revenue between the property taxes and the salary Revenue may actually be less in total, but they only have to pay 5% of the county and that's it. It's sheltered from County Open Space Camp local library School District, I mean if you remember the in my budget Rotation. I have a snapshot of what the tax rate breakdown is 50% 50 over 56% of it comes to the local school taxes. They don't have to pay any so that's that's why it's beneficial for both the developer and the municipal if I was a municipality, I put money I'd  be honest with you.  all right, one other question that I don't think that we covered with respect to the  Apartments being rentals that  potential bankrupt 120 Apartments deal. I think we would need to budget for  enforcement of residency policies. I know we started to do that. I know we do have that practice right now, but I think the more rentals you increase in town the higher the  percentage of yeah, and unfortunately for us the risks and the cost of that fraud are. That's borne by the entire community and it's not I want everyone to have access to a great education. But also we have a responsibility to the taxpayers in our town that their taxes are going for. This community. So yeah, that's a good point. So something. Yeah, consider. All right. I know there's a lot to speak on so  we'll but are you want to have one more comment from the peanut gallery which is to be well, that's well that we don't have public comment now and we can't do public comments or if you're right here, but it's oh you  both in terms of enrollment contracts because this is the issue we came up against with friends. Friends in Roman contract was doing February. I didn't know if I had a place at Central so we kept Lily there another year. I think any redistricting policy that we consider should bear that in mind that people are forced to make decisions about where they're going to send their kids to school. if their private schools much earlier  than June or May or July. And to try and be respectful at that process one of the policy but setting a date for young term like that, I worry one and that becomes a good. Then you know. What is our current policy didn't we there's no at the end of school year. I thought we'd have a date answer registration. But yeah as Far So currently.  So currently because what happened this year was, um, as I said people were withdrawing for private school and everyone in kindergarten because  kindergarten spot gets your first grade spot, right um  What happened was people did that and they were already the first grader full right? So there's I'm gonna pull my cap in private school kindergartner because There's no seat next year, but if we delineate those things like right now, it's just like we were getting hit with things every day for three weeks with we had to go back and figure out. You know.  and what happens is and anywhere, but just once one person figured it out, right you're telling their friends.  They're telling their friends all of a sudden getting all these I think central had five or six kindergarten movement in the last month. So that was actually considered was if we enrolled Lily for the last week of school, we would have been guaranteed that spot. Okay, we are about to do it. I just want to keep this moving because it's getting late and that wasn't on the gender right now. So I was going to keep this.  Alright for the board committees megged. I know Miss Russo.  Yeah, a lot of us are so um, Katie didn't awesome job talking through the ELA audit. that was 99% of what we hit on May 15th. The other thing was simply about the Benchmark writing assessment a new  writing evaluation.  Effort for K through 5 and yeah, they're really exciting part was the LA plot. Craig did you already do Finance last week?  No, we haven't. yesterday or Tuesday Tuesday, we talked about a telecommunications  opportunity as you know, or don't know there's the water tower that's coming down and there's so equipment on top of it. So that's gonna affect the cell service in town and they approached us in the borough about placing cell towers on school property. whether it's flagpole on top of Lights school building and each cell carrier it would generate between 20 and 30 thousand dollars a year in Revenue. So we'll go to the next step and exploring obviously with the we really don't want them on our schools, but there's other ways to get them up creatively some more conversations around that.  Volleyball we agreed to partially fund the volleyball program and the booster volleyball booster will take  the excess cost of some people get some where we posted for the volleyball coach, but that's moving forward to mention the new work order system. He was using School dude, or we were using School dude that takes in the  Basically, every, you know, the air conditioner it's gonna run out at this day to that date their services started going down. There's a new vendor that we're going to sign up with.  It's a lot more flexibility and capabilities to the entire staff and that change will come with about $8,000 a year savings.  That was good news. The npta is going to donate an outdoor water station on the school property. Obviously. hadn't feel educational trust is trying to donate the flagpole and the the Marquee marketing out front so excited about that. There's gonna be considering a change on a long-term disability policies  for the admin Group, which will give them better coverage at lower costs. And then we're gonna go out for a our banking services is currently with  Republic Bank and we're going to with what's happened to them. We're going to go out for an RFP on banking services. It's more to follow on that. Thank you questions for Greg just to  reiterate that our funds are safe. They're bad. Oh, yeah that we are going out for RFP and light of the change and  management Republic now assumed by Fulton. I texted chocolate. So okay things pretty pretty tight One of the things that correct me before you did last you put some of the funds in the flex account. So we just  so it's called a what would it be sweet accounts? which which federally protects more of our money versus there's a there's a separate liability coverage for a funds. That's the state mandates called but which is a a system that's been put in place since I think the 70s what's never been tested before FDIC is certainly a good tested before and it protects you from circumstances like this. the case our money wasn't available to us. That could be pretty bad, but that wasn't the case because we have more of our money pretended by FDIC. The Rachel you did policy last time, right Linda for lrfp. Yes, so, you know, there's been a long  meeting, but I think that what we'll do is in June go into greater detail, but the the new rescope referendum has been submitted to the the doe we do have to wait for them to get back before we get any solid  numbers, but just because we want the whole board to know where we are with very very high level. So let's just talk about that and then in June we'll plan to go into greater detail. I think that we're also plan on having our architect here to explain some things but at a high level we had last time around identify seven  areas through all the research that we did all of the surveys accessibility additional classrooms and refresh spaces athletic facilities auditoriums. early childhood education investments in our buildings and specialized learning in media centers. Identify. those are the areas that we need to to address in the referendum and every single one of those things have been addressed. So we'll go over extremely high level.  just here are the highlights to to show, you know, the big big things that are associated with those those items accessibility. We know that we need it. And elevator in Elizabeth Hadden to make that building accessible. We have elevators there and we do have a solution to make the stadium accessible. So hitting high level highlights for the accessibility additional classrooms. We are planning to put an addition on Haddon and addition on Tatum to get those additional classrooms in we did not know when this was submitted what was happening at Bancroft. What's unfortunate is in the plans there is space for future growth because we not only have additional classrooms slug for those areas, but we have additional space that being forward-thinking when and if the district needs it, there's room for additional classrooms.  that's not part of the referendum because we were  unaware but it is what it is.  We are planning though for additional  Auditoriums both the at HMS and HMHS planning to refurbish the auditoriums athletic fields. We are planning to put a gym on the the space. where Cooley is right now. I you guys all know that we've got money put aside in capital capital fund to put a field. There. We are going to vote on. moving that forward  we're hoping to get bids ASAP. Yeah, and unfortunately the building is still there and as it stands best guess from the borough, is that if all things go well, November or December  Wow. So not as we were hoping for the fall we were to season we thought July. Did we have in our documents? We just don't have time and agreement for a date and usually yeah. But it should be with all due diligence, right? It doesn't actually read upon me make  believe me you do it that's  moving on early childhood education. We are still committed to Bringing full day kindergarten to to this this  district and just Investments that are buildings. There are things that were left over from the last referendum things that need to be done having Chuck you've talked about all the time and five million dollars worth of formation Windows alone. So just wait we don't have books just so just the things that Need to be addressed and then specialized learning in media centers really focusing on small group instruction collaboration spaces knowing that we need to be prepared for 21st century learning that it's not the way that we don't learn today the way that we did 20 years ago and really building out spaces that accommodate that kind of learning so all of those things are those those are the highlights of what will be in the referendum and then we can go into more details of how we hit each one of these in our next meeting. That's exciting. Can you remind timeline so we submit it and that takes how long roughly, you know any of the can you just pulmonary cost estimates this summer? Okay.  Um, and that's so we're looking probably if things go well, but back to school night will be  sitting back to school nights with showing people everything's gonna happen. So in September will be women really lay out for the community with with tax impact in June. We talk about them.  details good, but we'll have numbers in September. So I talk to the community about this is this and the numbers are  unexpected. We would adjust good idea. Yeah, right because we went out we have we have a really good. Yeah, so we were basing it on what already came back and then again. And then if if everything goes well,  which we are thinking that will will we're hoping for that.  We're going to be targeting each other.  Okay negotiations. We just still have our you know  tentative agreements. These are now like okay maybe. We're hoping to have that done today. Posted some stuff happened we didn't get topic I meet with Sean next week by then. We're a couple things Sarah guys on  Google by this time next week. you won't be able to prove it, but we'll be saying okay. and PTA updates I just want to share the AGT golf outing and barbecue is.  June 17th, June 17th, right June 17 um sorry, I meant to check on it and then I was like Um, yes, and remember, please that all proceeds go to support our students in our district. There was mentioned in the ELA audit how some of the funds went to support our programs. So I think accountable regions into codeable readers. Yeah.  Okay regulations for Board review with the vandalism regulation Dr. Periolo is not here today. And and Mr. Klaus, I want to thank you. First of all for your presentation.  Yeah, it was super detailed super really well done. So we thank you for that. That was a lot of information there and you did it. Great visuals. okay graphics and I like the maps The Zone in that's it. Thank you. See graphs now.  just I'm like computer.  just too quick things for me pretty eventful week here. I'm sure no one else was here talking anymore on Tuesday city right here. We had a holocaust Survivor of talk with students. So we have Jeremy shoes in here at gentleman's about the Holocaust came in and talk about his experiences as  questions was really interesting one of the project where He got letters from his his family. And our German she was translated. So he was he had not he had that if he had never read. And he was reading for the first time about students. It was really great project. I had to show some Innovation with you there those things and this finally used to clean both of great job of that and then this morning over the middle school. We were honored to be there 24 individuals from 18 different  countries were naturalized. So we were there as they became citizen United States. It was a wonderful ceremony. Well for the cat somebody's busy today. Okay put together. Okay. It was really like heart touching and you know very I never actually it was very powerful experience. So I was really on to be there was great. And so there's two really good things that happening. It's like you Yeah, and from I'm just gonna Echo Chuck's words for that. I was at both as well. It was a they were such great events,  and it's so great to see us putting into action in real life what we're doing in the classrooms and have our  students have this experience to have our teachers and our administrators dedicated to really bring to life what they're doing in the classroom. cool. And so really really great experiences. All right. move on to open public comments. members of the community are invited to speak up to three minutes at this time if you'd like to make an additional  comment, please wait until each person has had a chance to make their initial statement. All comments must be directed at the board not members of the public according to our bylaws comment session can last no longer than one hour. if this is an opportunity for the board to listen, but not debate issues or enter question and answer  period Please be aware that not only issues brought up before board meeting will be resolved that evening. We ask you to identify Yourself by stating your name in the name of your  street before you make your comment to the board while public education can be an emotional issue. We strive to maintain a certain level of decorator meeting public meetings are streamed and available for replay on YouTube and students often participate in the meetings as such  citizens are expected to maintain a tone of courtesy and civility. So if anyone would like to make a comment, um, please you're welcome to  Well, good evening. My name is Carriage Handler on from Prospect group. Um good to go. Okay everyone. I just took a couple of notes from the presentation the first thing that I wanted to say, I'm a family medicine physician and I usually tell my kids think he's always first. So one of the things that I wanted to make sure that was being highly thought of as maybe a traffic  study for as we look at moving things. I saw a boy today who could barely cross some Avenue let alone had Avenue and so I think one tragic or series accident where maybe one of  those babies might end up in my rehab it would undo all the work that you put it. It would be your fault. So I just want you to really consider traffic.  And also what are the rental prices on the non-affordable housing units? I think that that also could have some sway into what we can look at in  terms of comparing them to mortgage house prices compared to rent if they're astronomically higher that my  swing into what's going on.  Also we are from the largest Tatum class from the 2010 posts recession numbers. I think the thing is, why did Central get bigger right because is it a  bubble? We think post-recession there are a lot of people like us looking to make a change looking to do those things  after coming from a tough.  Financial period And so why did Central get bigger and become the biggest elementary school? And then the other thing that my husband pointed out is that even if the apartment comes with low numbers are the older folks and hadn't feel going to move into those apartments and then sell them their houses and give you a false low number on your studies. And then when you say town like Haddonfield I still have trouble finding other  towns like having though because you cannot compare Us in North Jersey. It's very different and there are no other towns like South Jersey. So I be careful when we say other towns like Haddonfield. I feel like we're coming up blank when you say that so compare comparison and the last thing that I took notes on is that in the ELA presentation the one thing I agree with a lot of it but decreasing reading in Middle  school is in is what I believe increased PC and computer usage in homework instead of considering making them do free reading and the tutorial things like that. Put it in your homework plan. Even if it's pleasurable. It's helpful and instead of adding things to know where it feels punitive make it enjoyable make it from an encouragement standpoint, but we really have to consider our computer usage. And so if they're always To the computer and they're reading either they're gonna do something else on it, or they won't want to do it anymore. Thank you. Any other comments?  Hi everyone. I'm Maureen Isles from East Summit Avenue. I'm a former School Board member, and I'm the president have field  educational trust and there are a few different things that I want to speak to you about tonight on first of all, I want to say thank you for the ELA  presentation.  to hear that who knows the school board member in 2019. We as it were signed a letter and a statement to the community against the pilot. that was proposed at that time and bankrupt and so I'm very glad that you're starting to have  these conversations now because this is very very important if you haven't had a chance to read the statement that we created in 2019 I encourage you to do so. I have a copy of it up right now and I just like to read a couple lines because this is still how I feel and I believe a lot of the members the community feel when they think about about how a pilot might work here. the funding of our schools is the responsibility of the Haddonfield Community as a whole the tax structure in New Jersey requires that all members of the community who own taxable property contribute to the schools as well to the county Borough and library that responsibility exists whether the property owner has children in the district uses the  library or access to some of the many services provided by the county or grow is passed the proposed pilot would create an inequitable differentiation between future residents of the bankroll properties and every current resident in the borough and I say that as an empty  Nestor now my husband and I have no plans to leave the garden field community and we plan to pay into the community as we have for the past 24 years when our kids we're in the school  district the that letter had an impact at the time we were able to sit down and start negotiations with Commissioners one of the concerns that came up during those negotiations is that the Commissioners can only negotiate during their own terms once the next set of Commissioners comes into place of the terms of whatever is negotiated might not be upheld by the next commission.  Meanwhile taxes are always taxes. Though something to keep in mind there. And the other thing I wanted to mention is that back in 2007. I was part of a demographic study for the school district. I was part of the committee that was created by the superintendent Allen  fegley and basically what we found was that we had had a demographic demographer that had been hired but they had used numbers based on state  averages and so as I heard you talk today about your instincts are that hadn't dealt with different than State  averages was totally true the results of the study from the demographer were not accurate for being enrollment that predicted for having field.  Probably my minutes. I recommend you stick with your  instincts. We ended up going Door to Door County three year olds, and that was a better study and there are a lot of  members in the community including me. That would be happy to help you. Go through a lot of these questions since I participated in that a lot of  us did the last time we were looking at swimming districts and things. So thank you for your time. Sorry. Yeah.  neither comments Okay, we'll now close public comments.  governance acceptance of the monthly HIV report approval Fire and Security drill  approval of 24-25 academic calendar Elementary approval of the job descriptions for elementary gifts and talented  approval to abolish approval of these policies for first  reading and approval of the policies for second reading and adoption and acceptance of the annual District summary progress report on local Wellness. questions just on the crowdress report for  welcome Notions are yeah, sure motion and the staff and second, right? So following recommendation for Board of editor for policy 8505 and  Regional movies is a question  investor. Did you but where did that recommendation come out of and do we feel like that's achievable? Bring over here.  Thank you comes from so the on the district Wellness coordinator. Okay, and and this is of the wellness committee something I've been. Yeah. I'm in charge of doing on an annual basis and we've been meeting for the past few months and it's it's called the District Wellness committee, but it's really the district wellness  policy committee because what we focus on is the policy goals within the policy evaluate the policy itself what's contained in it? And hey these goals that are in there. Are we meeting those goals? Everything in that report aren't the the specific goals. They're just the goals that we're saying. We need to keep doing a better job do a better job at you'll even notice that in the physical activity goals that we're actually meeting all those goals, but in a tool we use is called policy assessment tool. We have new measurable physical activity goals. So all of those the entire policy 85:05 is Treehouse. That is every school district, New Jersey is probably identical but we  realize that there's really nothing to measure so getting down to the recommendations.  that is actually the soul recommendation from the palace committee is to implement measurable goals Into the policy, so where would go from here? they by policy you guys accept except the report then it's my job to say. Hey, Dr. Brielle, I think in an upcoming policy Community you guys talk about this because this was you know for per policy you guys  should consider a recommendations from the from the Wellness Community on the policy. So we're accepting your report your report is to address that except for around accepting the recommendation. okay, and so my question was really about measurable goal. So maybe you tell me that we'll discuss it another time. But when I looked at the the launch program it says that it will  incorporate promotional days during the school year, but if that was something that you had identified we didn't do well then well promotional days is that too is that you know, is that one a month. is it three years old like there's no there's nothing that defines what the measurable role will be other than days could be too. So there are other measurable goals for the other three categories. So there's four areas of goals in the policy.  nutrition education nutrition  promotion physical activity and other activities for for school Wellness something like that. all of them except for physical activity have goals that are measurable, but they also have goals that are not measurable. So that is a non measurable goal that we that we saw we still need to do better. So it doesn't happen. You know what there are measurable goals within the okay, um promotional days in a new menu pattern and I imagine that is something that we can measure, you know, like whatever. I don't know what menu pattern is, but we could ask neutral serve, you know, like what is your menu pattern and then like show recipes dates or whatever you're  committed, you know like that to me feel. Yeah, that's all but it isn't super specific right here, but it's like all the pieces are there feeling where they can dig. I just feel like overall. This is something that over the years where we could always do better and knowing that this was kind of ambivalent. I wondered if we could really try and focus in on that. And so that was yeah, actually we've had I think the policy calls that we have to meet at least four times a year. I'm actually meeting it. We've met four times. We're actually gonna be again because we're actually focusing more on the  nutrition education side a little further by actually inviting the corporate dietitian from nutrition to  come and talk to the committee, but I'm actually I'm gonna expanded and invite all the building principles to that too. Because obviously there's a they're building as their kids they're learning and curriculum inside of it. So oh and the be part of that so it's going a little bit further but hey when the policy committee talks about it, they're not restricted just to talk about where our recommendations are. maybe the board has recognition for the policy, too.  Enough. Can you cover? mistress Yes. Mr. Askler yeah, Miss Hollywood. Yes, Miss Sonic. Yes. Vice president hooker. Yes. Miss benetti, yeah. Dr. Brett, yeah and president. yes curriculum and special education approval field trips conferences travel resolution with the Board of Ed and Burlington County social Services resolution between the Board of Ed and learned well resolution to  approve the Camden County Educational Services Commission contract. And resolution between the Board of Ed and Walsh Legacy motion. Which is Linda and Jess? questions comments Okay, Michael. Can you call Mr. Ashley? Yes, Miss Hollywood. Yes, Miss Sonic.  Yes, vice president hooker. Yes mrneki. Yes, Dr. Brown. Yes. This dress. Yes present group. Yeah personal approval personal transfer salary upgrades Mentor age tubercular coaching appointments means of absence in designations resolution to approve certified teachers for summer enrichment resolution to approve employees that support staff. resolution to approve Holly pennant to provide subservices approval of a  volunteer for six hours indicated two classroom resolution for students to  receive home and instruction  resolution for another student to receive homebound instruction and other resolution program instruction approval the 24-25 contract with Dr. Priolo resolution to approve the EA's for the extended exposure program.  resolution to approach Jessica Dickinson as teacher for the 24 extended school year program resolution for nearby one  University student to complete our clinical placement.  resolution to approve Granite Devlin for one-on-one Aid resolution to for the following employees for counseling services. approval of employees to provide additional Counseling Services per diem rate and resolution to approve link room to work the after school ISP program motion.  Right on machine and gray now. I'm just cooking getting tired. comments Hey, Mike, can you call roll Miss Hollywood? Yes. Miss Sonic Yes. Vice president. Hope hurdle. Yes, Ms. Beneke. Yes, Dr. Brown.  Yes, Miss dress. Yes, Mr. Ashenberg. Yes, president Groot. Yes recuse on l business and finance recommendations appoint Brown and Brown as benefit  advisers approvement Prep  Professional Medical Staffing  approval of the tax payment schedules for the borough and Tavistock approval approvement authorize consideration for the turf field.  Approve the award of the RFP to can for construction manager of record to Colliers project leaders acceptance of the donation from the Elizabethan  PTA her outdoor bottle filler  approval of the US. I'm sorry a First Colonial bank for summer savings agency approval to  renew the contract with Advocate approval to for transport of lunches approval the award of the nutriser of management for Food Services payment of bills budget transfers board  secretaries report and cash summary report. motion motion Linda and Meg comments excited to see the turf field on there. Hopefully. to act on that. Thank you. Can you? Miss Sonic. Yes, vice president.  Hoover. Yes, Ms. Beneke. Yes, Dr. Brown. Yes, just dress.  Yes, Mr. Ashley flirt. Yeah, Miss hollenworth. Yes president crooked. Yes. Yes approval of the minutes regular meaning April 11th exact session, April 11th, and the regular meeting  April 25th notion. just and Linda comments Okay, Mike.  Can you call roll? Miss Sonic. Yes. Vice president hooker.  Yes, Ms. Beneke. Yes. Dr. Brown yes dress. Yes, Mr. Essentler. this recipe Okay, why don't they get here on 11 So yeah the same for the 11th.  I thought you.  Miss Hollywood Yes abstain from see what he's not here. Of President. Yes. Um anything comments for future  consideration? I love Maureen's idea of us conducting a demographic study or hiring someone to conduct a demographic study. that's actually useful by measuring the people that  are here in our district. And so we submit for future consideration that we consider whether or not it is feasible in light of the no knock  registry and do we have enough volunteers? It's like that but we actually get that done because I think that we're all fine to say that. someone extrapolating based on  Statewide data is going to be  essentially keeps list for us. So part of that is you can buy unit. That doesn't use Statewide that okay. There's no place like having to but you hadn't you my Predators. She's always say there's about five  towns in America like law. But there is you that's what yeah, we'll look at more food  communication just The door doesn't get projection of new clothes and exist yet. That's what the answer but we could  we're gonna have a lot of  conversations about I like that idea actually. I think it makes a lot of sense. I very much like the idea of the board coming up with a letter. Yeah, I have the last. Yeah, we do have the last one and we can share that two items both from Thanksgiving. Okay motion to return. Take your time, right? That's like everybody raise their hand for that one.