CONTROL ELEVATIONS OF THESE  STRUCTURES ARE DESIGNED SO  THAT WATER IS RETAINED IN THE  WATERWAYS AND A STEP-DOWN  ELEVATION SYSTEM  CONFIGURATION.  >> THIS MEANS THE WATER LEVELS  IN THE WATERWAY SEGMENTS  BETWEEN STRUCTURES  PROGRESSIVELY DECREASES IN  ELEVATION FROM NORTH TO SOUTH  AND FROM EAST TO WEST. THIS  SYSTEM CONFIGURATION ALLOWS  BOTH RETENTION OF STORM WATER  RUNOFF FOR WATER QUALITY  TREATMENT AND STORAGE FOR  POTABLE WATER USE IN  PREPARATION FOR A STORM, THE  GATES ARE OPENED AS NEEDED TO  CONVEY A FLOOD WATERS.  >> THE CITY HAS AN ONGOING  PROGRAM TO INSPECT AND REPLACE  OLD CORRODED STRUCTURES SINCE  2006 13 OF THE HIGH PRIORITIES  STRUCTURES HAVE BEEN REPLACED  OR REHABILITATED THE CITY ALSO  HAS A PROGRAM TO CLEAR THE  DITCHES OF SEDIMENT DEPOSITS  THAT HAVE ACCUMULATED OVER  TIME AND CLEAR FALLEN TREES  AND DEBRIS IN THE MYAKKA  HATCHEE CREEK. THIS ALSO HELPS  RESTORE THE FLOW CAPACITY OF  THE WATERWAYS.  >> MY STORY SHORT PORT IS  PRONE TO FLOODING, BUT THE  CITY WORKS HARD TO MAINTAIN  CAN BANS CHANNELS WATER  CONTROL STRUCTURES AND  PROCEDURES PUT IN PLACE TO  LESSEN THE IMPACT. WHEN THERE  IS A HURRICANE OR SIGNIFICANT  RAIN EVENT. THE CITY GETS INTO  RESPONSE IN RECOVERY MODE  QUICKLY AFTER PLEASE STAY SAFE  OUT THERE.  >> GOOD MORNING TODAY IS  MONDAY FEBRUARY 26TH 2024. IT  IS 09:00AM AND WE'RE IN THE  CITY CHAMBERS AND I ALL THIS  CITY COMMISSION WORKSHOP  MEETING TO ORDER COMMISSIONERS  PRESENT OUR COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL COMMISSIONER LANGDON  MYSELF MAYOR WHITE BITES  OPENED COMMISSIONER AVERAGE  THERE IS A QUORUM PRESENT FOR  THE MEETING ALSO PRESENT ARE  CITY MANAGER FLETCHER CITY  ATTORNEY SLAYTON AND ASSISTANT  CITY CLERK POWELL. AND BOARD  SPECIALIST TO MAYOR. POLICE  CHIEF GARRISON AND FIRE CHIEF  TITUS THE CHIEFS ARE IN THE  HOUSE COULD I CALL POLICE  CHIEF TO LEAD US IN THE BUNCH.  >> PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO OF  UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND  FOR WHICH STANDS ONE NATION  UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH  LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.  >> THANK YOU DO WE HAVE ANY  PUBLIC COMMENT. YES WE TOM  LANDS. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME  IS  >> PART OF LOCAL BUSINESS  GROUP WE REPRESENT ALMOST 50  BUSINESSES AND OUR PUBLIC  COMMENT IS WE THINK THAT WITH  WORLD-CLASS GROWTH IN A WORLD  CLASS CITY THAT WE DESERVE A  WORLD-CLASS. QUARTERS SETTING  PLEASE. AND WE THINK IT'S  PRETTY SIMPLE THAT WE SHOULD  GET AHEAD OF THE CURVE AND  HEAD OF THE GROWTH AND THAT  WEIGHT.  >> THIS IS THIS IS. WE DON'T  THINK IT'S JUST FOR BUSINESS  WITH THING IS FOR EVERYBODY  AND WE THINK IT'S A COMMON  SENSE TYPE OF VALUE SO. PRETTY  SIMPLE COMMENT. BUT THE THANK  YOU FOR MISSING CREATE IT.  THANK YOU. WE  >> YES GOOD MORNING AND THANK  YOU FOR GIVING ME AMEND I'M  ACTUALLY THE PRESIDENT OF THE  LOCAL CHAPTER BEING NOT BE  ENOUGH FOR THOSE OF DON'T  KNOWS BUSINESS NETWORK  INTERNATIONAL. OVER 10 MAY AND  A STRONG FORCE MEMBERS AND OUR  LOCAL CHAPTER. THIS MASTER  CONNECTORS AND WE AS THOMAS  SHOULD MENTION, I'M ALMOST 50  BUSINESSES STEPPED CHOSEN TO  DO BUSINESS HERE. IN PORT. A  LOT OF US HAVE FAMILIES SOME  SCHOOLS, A LOT OF CHILDREN  THERE. AND NUMBER ONE. AND WE  SUPPORT NORTH PORT POLICE  DEPARTMENT THE CHALLENGE THEY  FACE AT THANK YOU FOR YOUR  TIME.  >> JOSEPH'S MAJOR YOU KNOW.  >> A DREAM HOME 2747 RELAY OF.  YOU TO SUPPORT THE POLICE. I  HOWEVER I YOU KNOW. HERE'S A  LOOK AROUND THE CLOCK SEE THE  CRIME YOU SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.  IT WILL HAPPEN HERE.  EVENTUALLY. WE HAVE WE HAVE.  SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE IN 2005  THE POLICE STATION WENT UP  2006. SO WITH THE PROJECTION  NOW. IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT  MORE PEOPLE I I JUST FOR ME  THE HOMEOWNER IS I DON'T KNOW  IF IT'S GOING TO BE IT SHOULD  BE ALL ON THEM, THINKING YOU  GUYS YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU GUYS  LIKE THAT IT'S A QUESTION IS  SAFE A ASPECT WE'VE GOT  PROBLEM WHERE WHERE WE'VE GOT  THE TO LIKE CHILDREN. I THINK  YOU GUYS REALLY GET TOGETHER  THE CREATIVE. MAY BE YOU KNOW  PETTY THEFTS. YOU KNOW THAT  WOULD BE A SHARED. THE LAST  $50.  >> CUSHION IT YOU NOT TO TO  PICK ON ON SOME OF WHAT THE  HOMEOWNERS WOULD HAVE TO BEAR  TO KEEP THAT PRICE DOWN A  LITTLE BIT. I JUST READ AN  ARTICLE IN SARASOTA WITH A USE  OF CREDIT THAT'S 100 MILLION  FOR HUNTER BELIEVES THAT  BUILDING I UNDERSTAND SARASOTA  COUNTY'S A LOT BIGGER THAN  NORTH AS HOLD. WE'RE TALKING  ABOUT 122 MILLION. MAYBE EVEN  A I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A WAY  INVEST SOME OF THEM ONLY SHORT  HURT. WELL IT WAS IN ONE OF  THE FUN. IT WILL CAPITALIZE ON  THAT MONEY. I DON'T KNOW BUT I  THINK THAT THEY GET THE PEOPLE  VOTE FOR THIS YOU'RE GOING TO  HAVE WORK ON I MEAN YOU KNOW  IF I AGREE WITH THAT I AGREE  WE HAVE A GREAT POLICE  DEPARTMENT SO I YOU KNOW,  WE'LL WHAT TIME BUT I THINK  YOU GUYS BUT A LOT OF WORK TO  DO.  >> THANK YOU. THAT IS ON ALL  RIGHT.  >> DON'T MOVE TO GENERAL  BUSINESS AND FIRST ON THE  AGENDA IS 24 DASH 0, 2, 8, 3,  DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE  DIRECTION REGARDING THE  PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES FOR  ADOPTION OF THE UNIFIED LAND  DEVELOPMENT CODE ALSO KNOWN  THE ULDC. CITY MANAGER THIS IS  YOUR ITEM INTRODUCE.  >> THANK YOU MADAM KNOW WE'VE  ITEM ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE IT  WAS SUGGESTED THAT IT WAS PUT  ON EARLIER TIME AND OUR STAFF  NEEDED THAT TIME IN ORDER TO  MAKE SURE THAT WE WE'RE  COMPLETE WITHOUT  IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AND WE  NEED TO BE DISCUSSED WITH THIS  ITEM SINCE THAT TIME  COMMISSIONER HAS ALSO INCLUDE  THIS ITEM AWARDS TO FIT THAT  SO WE WOULD ADD TO ITEM TO  DISCUSS THE WORK IF TODAY.  >> OKAY DO WE HAVE TO HAVE A  CONSENSUS FOR THAT OR WE WOULD  LIKE TO TALK TO MY AGENT,  AHEAD. COMMISSIONER.  >> IT WAS THE CITY MANAGER  ALLUDED ORIGINALLY SUBMITTED  THIS AGENDA ITEM AND CAN  FEBRUARY 5TH TO BE DISCUSSED  AT THE FEBRUARY 13TH  COMMISSION MEETING. AT THAT  TIME THE CITY MANAGER ADVISED  ME THAT HE WOULD PLACE MY  REQUEST ON TODAY'S WORKSHOP.  SINCE WE WOULD BE DISCUSSING I  ADVISE THE CITY MANAGER THAT  MY AGENDA ITEM IN DISCUSSION  POINTS WOULD REQUIRE MOTIONS  AND FORMAL VOTES. THE POLICY  PREVENTS FORMAL ACTION OR  DIRECTION TO BE GIVEN 2  CHARTER OFFICERS DURING  WORKSHOPS. AND WE COULD ONLY  OBTAIN CONSENSUS IS. WE WENT  BACK AND FORTH, VARIOUS  E-MAILS ON THAT DISCUSSION.  ULTIMATELY IT WAS PLACED ON  THIS AGENDA. AND AS THE CITY  MANAGER SAID I'VE ALREADY  PLACED IT ON THE DISCUSSION  FOR MARCH. SO THERE'S NO POINT  IN DISCUSSING IT AT THIS TIME.  >> ONE THAT THE COMMISSION  CONTINUE TO BE ABOUT IS THAT  WHILE WE DISAGREE ON IT. WE  ASKED THE CITY ATTORNEY BUT  HURRICANE YOU IF YOU AGREE  WITH THAT HAPPENED TONIGHT.  >> THANK YOU SO THAT WILL BE  ON THE MARCH 5TH AGENDA. DO WE  HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT.  >> WE DID NOT OKAY.  >> ALL RIGHT SO WE'RE GOING TO  TO ITEM 24 DEATHS THAT'S  THE 1.3 EUR, 4, 7 DISCUSSION  REGARDING THE NEW POLICE  DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS  PROJECT OPTIONS SIZE INCLUDING  FUNDING. CITY MANAGER. I THINK  WAY THEY COME APPRECIATE IT.  WE HAVE A POWER POINT THAT I'M  GOING TO WALK HIM THROUGH IN  TERMS GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE  THANK THEIR DIVISION FOR THE  OPPORTUNITY CONTINUE THIS  IMPORTANT CONVERSATION.  >> I'M GOING TALK ABOUT DESIGN  OPTIONS OF THE NEW  HEADQUARTERS AS WELL AS  ULTIMATELY DIRECT HOW TO FUND  IT. TODAY WE HAVE OUR POLICE  LEADERSHIP. CHIEF PEARSON,  EVERY CHIEF MORALES AS WELL AS  OUR PUBLIC WORKS PROJECT  MANAGER MISS KIM HUMPHRIES.  OUR CONSULTANT YOU KNOW  WORKING ON WITH THE DESIGN  ROAD. SINGLE SCHULTZ AS WELL  AS A FINANCE AND EVERYONE HERE  WE'RE GOING IN FOR HOPEFULLY A  LOT OF PERSON THAT YOU MAY  PURPOSE OF THE WORKSHOP AS THE  COMMISSIONER RED EARLIER FOR  US TO HAVE A VERY GOOD  DISCUSSION. IT'S GOING TO BE A  LOT OF QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE  GOING TO HAPPEN YOU WERE GOING  TO DO OUR BEST WAY TO THEM.  WHAT WE DO WE WILL. PROVIDE TO  YOU BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR  OFFICIAL ACTION. 5TH. RIGHT SO  YOU GAVE DIRECTION FOR US TOO  MOVE FORWARD AS WE DISCUSSED  THE LACK SPACE CHALLENGES, THE  CURRENT AGE OF OUR CURRENT.  POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO PROBABLY  NOT GOING HURT HEADQUARTERS  ARE FOLLOW YOUR DIRECTION AND  PURCHASE NEW LAND IN 19 ACRE  PARCEL FOR WHAT WAS GOING TO  BE AN 80 TO 95 MILLION POLICE  STATION MOVING THE EMERGENCY  OPERATION CENTER. MORE STUFF  ID YOU WILL SEE IT COMING FOR  YOU HOUR SUGGESTED PLAN ON HOW  TO GET THE EMERGENCY OPERATION  CENTER THE OC OFF OF THIS  PROJECT AND WAS OPEN TO IT  WITHOUT HAVING TO REARRANGE  THAT'S WHEN WE'RE FUNDING WE  ACTUALLY DID UM WE HAVE A  SURTAX BUT I'M SURE TAX  QUESTIONS IN DISCUSSION WILL  FOLLOW SHORTLY. SO THINK THAT  WE DID RECEIVE THE DOT IS OVER  WITH OUR CONSULTANT IT WILL GO  OVER A PORTION IS PRESENTATION  IN HOW THEY RECOMMEND THAT WE  MOVE FORWARD AS A CITY. THIS  POPULATION IS NOW POSSIBLY A  TEASE OUT 87,000 PEOPLE  COUNTING. TIME WE HAVE A NEW  HEADQUARTERS WILL BE CLOSING  IN ON 200,000 PEOPLE. NEED TO  WE PUT OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND  RESOURCES TO ENFORCE PUBLIC  SAFETY IS HIGHER THAN EVER.  DURING THE FISCAL YEAR 23 THIS  BOARD SUPPORTED OUR BOOK OR  POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH A  BUDGET AMENDMENT AND OFFICERS  FISCAL YEAR 24 BUT THAT YOU  CONTINUE TO SUPPORT NORTH PORT  POLICE DEPARTMENT 16 OFFICERS  IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE  CONSULTANTS RECOMMENDATIONS TO  RIGHT-SIZE OUR. POLICE THAT  NUMBER THAT A FEW YEARS. WE  ARE ALL THANKFUL TO YOU FOR  THE SPY BUSINESS FOR OUR TEAM  ARE CITIZENS. IT GOES AND HOW  GO THERE'S NO ONE TO QUESTION  THE SUPPORT COMMITMENT OF THIS  BOARD 2 ARE BULLIES AND A HALF  OF ALL OF US WANT TO SAY THANK  YOU. ALSO WHAT THEY ALL THE  OFFICERS IN LOVE WITH HIM WHO  WERE IN THE AUDIENCE TODAY WE  APPRECIATE YOU COMING FOR THIS  VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC AS WELL.  SHOULD WE READ A LOT OF  DECISIONS ARE BEING PLACED ON  YOU AND THERE IS NO EASY WAY  OUT. WE'RE GLAD YOU'RE HERE  HAVING THIS CONVERSATION  TODAY. IN THIS TIME WHEN YOU  CAN SEE THAT THE LAND BRIDGE  LAST LINES OF COMMISSIONS  WORKSHOP NEXT WILL BE A  REGULAR MEETING DISCUSSION, A  WORTH IT. AND THAT THEY WILL  ASK YOU FOR YOUR DECISION  QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE  POLICE HEADQUARTERS AND HOW  YOU WOULD LIKE TO PAY FOR IT,  WHICH WILL BE DISCUSSING THE  UPCOMING INTO. COMMISSION IS  NOT TO CONTINUE THE PATHWAY  FOR ONE-ON-ONE GROUP SESSIONS  IT WILL BE A FIRST AND SECOND  READING KILLINGS BE APPROVED  TO CENTER THE SUPERVISOR OF  ELECTIONS BY THEIR AUGUST  DEADLINE. GENERAL ELECTION IN  NOVEMBER WOULD BE THE TIME  QUESTION WOULD BE PROVIDED TO  OUR CITIZENS FOR THEIR VOTING.  IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT  THE SECOND READING IS MOST  LIKELY WE WILL BE ABLE TO ONLY  PUT OUT FACTS ABOUT THE POLICE  HEADQUARTERS AND NOT BE ABLE  LET ME DISCUSS THE PROJECT WE  PROVIDE INFORMATION REQUESTED  OF US. WE HAVE IN THE PORT  POLICE LEADERSHIP TEAM  STARTING AT THE TOP OF THE  CHIEF. CONCERNED FOR HIS TEAM  WITH COMMUNITY OUR UNWAVERING  WE REPORTED WHAT DIDN'T  HAPPEN. WE PUT ANY BASES.  POLICE DEPARTMENTS IN ANNUAL  UNIFORM CRIME REPORTING UCR TO  THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF LAW  ENFORCEMENT THEY 9 2024. THE  REPORT SHOWS. WELL TIME IS UP.  3, 5%, COMPARED TO LAST YEAR.  IT IS UP 17% OVER 3 YEAR  AVERAGE BATTLE ARE DOWN ON  BOTH COMPARISON PERIODS.  VIOLENT CRIMES AS WELL OVER  BOTH COMPARE COMPARATIVE  PERIODS. THIS CAN BE  ATTRIBUTED TO THE INCREASE IN  WATCHING THE MOTOR VEHICLE  THEFTS. PART ONE CRIMES WHICH  INCLUDES YOUR BODY FOR THE AT  A 7 AND A HALF. THERE IS A  CASE OVER THE PAST YEAR. PART  ONE PART OF THE RISKS ARE UP 6  POINT. BUT 5% OVER LAST YEAR.  AS IN THE POLICE COMMUNITY THE  FLORIDA COMMISSION FOR LAW  ENFORCEMENT ACCREDITATION LA.  IN THE FLORIDA  TELECOMMUNICATIONS  ACCREDITATION COMMISSION THC  IN SAINT AUGUSTINE FLORIDA.  HISTORY WAS MADE ON THEIR WAY  TO A FIRST FOR THE NEW YORK  POLICE DEPARTMENT  TELECOMMUNICATION BECAME A  CREDIT. COULD  TELECOMMUNICATIONS CENTER FOR  THE VERY FIRST TIME AS WITH  THE GOAL OF CHEAP TO HAVE  THIS. SO SEPARATELY ACCREDITED  IT WAS A SUCCESS ON THE  DEPARTMENT'S FIRST ATTEMPT AT  PLAYING TO BE A CREDIT. THE  NEXT DAY OUT THERE WE 22ND 23  FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH  A CREDIT MAKING THIS  CONSECUTIVE ACCREDITATION  EVERY 3 YEARS AND DANCING PRO.  SO EXCELSIOR THAT IS TO  QUADRUPLE A QUICK IS THAT IS  WHICH TAKES THE PORT POLICE  DEPARTMENT TO ONE OF THE 18  LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES TO  HOLD PROCEED JUST WITH A SENSE  THAT OUT OF 373 LAW  ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES IN THE  STATE OF FLORIDA. ARCHITECTS  IN PUBLIC SAFETY COMPLETED A  SPACE AND STAFFING STUDY BUT  THE GROWTH OF OUR POLICE  DEPARTMENT OUR CITY. AND TO  INCLUDE OUR ARE INCREASING  CALLS FOR SERVICE. THEY  PROVIDE THE STRATEGIC PLAN  ROADMAP FOR THE DEPARTMENT TO  FOLLOW WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE.  WE'RE THE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO  GROW INTO THE FUTURE.  CURRENTLY IT'S JUST A YEAR.  OUR DEPARTMENT SAYS THAT A 144  FOR IF YOU TO CIVILIAN  OFFICES. IN OCTOBER, 23, THE  DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WOULD  THE WITH 10 ADDITIONAL  OFFICERS SALARIES. SO WE WANT  TO 0.2 MILLION DOLLARS AND THE  TOTAL COST JUST WANT PUT FOR  THIS OVER A DECADE AND EVERY  YEAR WITH A 92 PART OF CITY  BEING SAFE WITH A LOW CRIME.  HOWEVER, WITH THAT STUDIES AND  A GREAT TEAM. THE DEPARTMENT  WAS ABLE TO JUSTIFY THE  WITNESS GROWTH IN OUR CITY. IT  IS EXPERIENCES WITH THE  SUPPORT OF THE POLICE BUT  ASSOCIATION THAT THE VA  BECAUSE IT. THE FEDERAL DOJ  AWARDED THE CITY PUT AN  ADDITIONAL OFFICES THIS NOW  BRINGS THE DEPARTMENT IN  CURRENT FISCAL YEAR 254 LAW  ENFORCEMENT OFFICER THAT 52  CIVILIAN. THEY SAY THE BARTMAN  GOING 7.11. STAFF SHORT OF THE  PROJECT A BIT MORE OF A 2025  THAT MEANS AS A VERY POSITIVE  TOWARDS ON OUR BUDGET  CONVERSATIONS AS WE GO  FORWARD. THERE'S A LOT OF  CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE  HISTORY OF THE FUNDING OF THE  POLICE DEPARTMENT. THIS SLIDE  HERE. SHOW YOU THAT IT IS NOT  A NEW TOPIC ONE THAT THE  COMMISSION OUR TEAM ARE CHIEF  HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR  QUITE SOME TIME. EVEN AFTER WE  HAD THE WORKSHOP IN THE  MEETING LAST SPRING. WE KNEW  THAT THERE WERE THE MILLION  DOLLAR PRICE TAG ASSOCIATED  WITH THIS BUDGET YOU CAN SEE  IN THIS CURRENT YEAR'S BUDGET  WE HAVE FUTURE FUNDING  IDENTIFIED AS 21. MILLION  DOLLARS. THAT HERE WHEN TURNED  OVER TO OUR CONSULTANT HE  MISSION GOES FOLKS. THEY WILL  PROVIDE PRESENTATION IN THE UP  EXPOSED FOR  >> AMERICANS AND OUR THANKS  OUR AND I'M HERE WITH ROBERTS  FROM IN W WELL AND THE WE'RE  GOING TALK SOME OF AGENDA  TOPICS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HIT  ON RIGHT NOW IS GOING TO BE A  LITTLE BIT OF STAFFING  PROJECTIONS, ORIGINAL BUDGET  SUMMARY GIVE YOU AN UPDATE AS  TO WHAT.  >> KIND OF WHERE WE WERE. I  DIDN'T PARTICULARLY TO THE OC  SITE PLAN FOR MISTER  RENDERINGS OF WHAT THAT IS  LOOKING LIKE TODAY. AND REALLY  KIND OF GET TO THE CRUX OF THE  CONVERSATION WITH TV SOME OF  THE SALIENT QUESTIONS THAT WE  HAD AFTER AFTER THE MARCH  PRESENTATION THAT WE HAD SOME  BUDGET UPDATES AND A LITTLE  ADDITIONAL GROWTH ASSESSMENT.  TRIGGERING KIND OF WHAT THOSE  BUDGET IMPACTS WE'LL HAVE THE  OVERALL FACILITY THAT WE'VE  BEEN WORKING WITH DEPARTMENT.  >> I WE WANT TO PICK UP WITH  THE LAST TIME WE HERE IN FRONT  OF YOU IN MARCH OF LAST YEAR  IN TOUCH ON SOME POINTS JUST  BY WAY REMEMBERING THERE. SO  THAT'S WHERE THAT'S WHY LET  LABEL IT WHERE WE WHERE WE  WERE AS A SO I THINK THAT  STAFF ORGANIZATION DEPLOYMENT  IS SUCH A IMPORTANT ISSUE. SO  MY FROM MW WELL HE'S PARTNERED  WITH PARENTS FROM WE  SPECIALIZE IN PLACE FACILITIES  WE'VE DONE MORE THOSE IN NORTH  AMERICA THAN ANY OTHER FIRM.  ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE  OFTEN FIND IS THAT WE IN THE  EARLY PLANNING STAGES WE KIND  OF UNCOVER FACTS HELP US MAKE  GOOD PLANS FOR THE FUTURE. AND  WHEN I BEGAN TO DO THAT WORK  IN PORT. I REALIZED THIS  COMMUNITY IS THE FASTEST  GROWING EVER WORKED IN IN MANY  YEARS MANY DECADES DOING THIS  WORK. SO WHAT I'VE LEARNED IS  WHEN YOU GET INTO A COMMUNITY  THERE'S GROWING THAT RAPIDLY  SLOWDOWN AND YOU DIG DEEP INTO  THE FACTS. SO THAT YOU CAN  PREPARE YOURSELF TO PLAN  WISELY FOR THE FUTURE. ONE OF  THOSE HAS TO DO WITH HOUSES  POLICE DEPARTMENT GROWING ONE  OF THE I JUST LEARNED THERE'S  A 196 PEOPLE NOW AND LIKE LAST  YEAR BEFORE YOU'RE 180 AND  THAT'S JUST STEP BY STEP THAT  JUST CONTINUES TO GO. AND THE  REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE.  THE POPULATION GROWTH IS IS  BOTH STEADILY AND WILL  CONTINUE TO BE STEADILY. A  GROWING AND YEAR 27 NEED THE  FACTS ARE SHOWING POPULATION  IS GOING TO BE 330 TO 340,000  PEOPLE IN NORTH PORT AND  THAT'S HARD TO WRAP YOUR HEAD  AROUND. STILL NEED TO THINK  ABOUT WHAT ARE THE STEPS WE  TAKE TO GET THERE, YOU KNOW,  AND SO AS WE'VE DONE THAT AND  A DIVE INTO INFORMATION ABOUT  POPULATION GROWTH AND STAFF  WROTE SO AS 2022, 180 PEOPLE.  THE PROJECTION FOR 2035 YOU  CAN SEE IS A SIGNIFICANT STEP  UP TO 3.70 WANT. MIDTERM  MILESTONE OF 2050 561 STAFF  AND THEN THE LONG 27 922%  STUFF I MEAN SWORN AND  NON-SWORN I THINK AS WE MADE A  PRESENTATION IN. IN IN MARCH  OF 2023. EMPHASIS OF THE  PRESENTATION IS HIT THAT MID  TERM MILESTONE OF YOUR 2050.  SO I THINK ALLOWED YOU TO PLAN  THE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S  BEEN ACQUIRED ALLOWS THE  FUTURE GROWTH BEYOND THAT TO  BE ACCOMMODATED SO THAT'S A  REALLY GOOD THING WHEN YOU  PICK THE PROPERTY, BUT THE  QUESTION CONTINUES TO BE ASKED  OF US. WHAT ABOUT 27 HOW DO WE  PLAN CREDIBLY FOR 2070 AND ARE  THERE STEPS WE CAN TAKE TO BE  GOOD STEWARDS OF THE MONEY AND  SET OURSELVES UP FOR LONG-TERM  SUCCESS, KNOW THAT IF WE SPEND  A LITTLE BIT. LAST TODAY TO  PLAN FOR THE FUTURE IT WILL  PAY US BACK MANY TIMES OVER  BECAUSE THE COSTS CONTINUE TO  RISE AS THE YEARS AND EVEN THE  DECADES GO BY. SO AT THAT  POINT WE AS THE CITY MANAGER  HAD ALREADY TOUCHED ON IS WE  HAD TO GO TO SPACE ASSESSMENT  OR THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS AND  THE E E O C YOU CAN SEE WHAT  THOSE NUMBERS ARE THERE. AND  WE GET A BUDGET AND SO THERE'S  GREAT AT THAT TIME WE TALKED  ABOUT A RANGE OF THE BUDGET  BECAUSE IT WAS PRETTY EARLY IS  HARD TO PREDICT EXTREMELY  ACCURATELY AT THAT AND IT  WENT. BUT THOSE ARE THE POINTS  THAT SLIDES IN THE INFORMATION  WE PUT IN IN THE PRESENTATION  WE SHARED WITH YOU IN. MARCH  OF LAST YEAR. YES, SO LET ME  JUST SAY GO. OKAY SO AGAIN I  JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE AND  MAYBE WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT  COMPARISON WITH OTHER  COMMUNITIES PART OF WHAT WE IT  THAT DEEPER DIVE OF THE DATA  IS WE WANTED TO COMPARE NORTH  PORT WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES,  EITHER COMMUNITIES THAT ARE  SIMILAR SIZE OR COMMUNITIES  ARE ACTUALLY AHEAD AND GROW  BECAUSE THAT COMPARISON REALLY  MATTERS AND HERE'S SO. WHEN WE  DO THAT KIND OF COMPARISON WE  LOOK AT POPULATION OF COURSE  RIGHT FOOT HISTORICAL AND  FUTURE POPULATION CITIES ARE  ABOUT BE BUILT OUT.  >> WHERE IS PART THE NUMBERS,  I'M HEARING IS 30% BUILT OUT.  THAT'S A FACT THAT IS  SIGNIFICANT. ANOTHER FACT  THAT'S IMPORTANT IS LAND AREA.  NORTH PORT HAS A 100 OR FOR  MILES I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW  FORT LAUDERDALE HAS 33 SQUARE  MILES AND ST. PETERSBURG 61.  THE LAND AREA. SO.  >> INTERESTING THAT POTENTIAL  FOR GROWTH IN PORT IS JUST SO  SO SIGNIFICANT.  >> YEAH SO THIS IS WHY DO ALL  THE TIME SO I WANT TO TALK  ABOUT IT TOO MUCH, BUT IT'S  IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE  BROAD CONTEXT OF PLANNING FOR  THE FUTURE. SO BEING SAID.  >> WITH THAT IN MIND TAKE A  LITTLE LOOK AT SEE KIND OF  WHERE WE ARE WE ANALYZE THE  SITE WHICH IS DIRECTLY TO THE  WEST OF THE EXISTING STATION A  ONE SITE. WE HAVE ABOUT A  15,000 SQUARE-FOOT FACILITY  SINGLE STORY. YOU CAN SEE THE  SITE HERE WE HAVE A PRIVATE  PARKING IN THE BACK SIDE OF  THE BUILDING SAFE AND SECURE  WAY FROM THE PUBLIC PARKING ON  THE FRONT SIDE. SOME SMALL  RETENTION OUT THE FRONT CORNER  THERE AMONG THE IDEAS JUST TO  MAXIMIZE THE BUT IT'S OF THE  PROPERTY ITSELF MINIMIZE THE.  OVERALL COST YOU. I'M HERE  NEXT YEAR IMAGE YOU CAN SEE  THIS IS THE STREET SIDE WITH  THE PUBLIC WILL SEE THAT THEY  DRIVE BY. THERE'S VERY MINIMAL  WINDOWS YOU CAN SEE THOSE  BLACK STRIPS THERE THEY LOOK  LIKE THEY'RE IN OR NOT THERE'S  SOME PUNCH SMALL PUNCHED  OPENINGS WITHIN THE BUILDING  AND SOME PANELS JUST A LITTLE  BIT OF ACTION OTHER THAN THAT  AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE  BUILDING THERE ARE NO WINDOWS  TO KEEP US SAFE SECURE FOR ALL  THE OCCUPANTS OF BUILDING. AND  THEN DIVING FURTHER INTO THE  HEADQUARTERS.  >> AGAIN THIS IS HEARKENING  BACK TO THE PRESENTATION WE  GAVE IN MARCH LAST YEAR. I  TIME IT WAS JUST BEFORE SITE  WAS ACQUIRED BY THE CITY AND  SO WE ARE USING THE  PROTOTYPICAL SITE MODEL HOW  MUCH LAND AREA WOULD BE NEEDED  WHEN YOU ARE YOU VIA SITE AND  HOW THE SITE THE PROPERTY  MIGHT BE BEST USED BOTH THE  NEAR TERM THIS PROJECT THAT'S  GOING TO BE.  >> NOW AND THEN A LIE FOR  FUTURE GROWTH.  >> THAT TIME WE HAVE THESE  QUESTIONS THAT WEREN'T  ANSWERED YET YOU KNOW. SHORTLY  AFTER PRESENTATION THE PIECE  OF PROPERTY WAS IDENTIFIED AND  THEN ACQUIRED WE DIDN'T YET  KNOW HOW THE BUILDING WAS  GOING TO FIT ON THAT  PARTICULAR PIECE OF LAND. SO  THAT WAS A REASON TO  COMMISSION THE THE FURTHER  STUDY OF THE DESIGN TEAM AND  THEN HOW CAN WE PLANT PLAN FOR  GROWTH THE ONTO YOUR 2050 THAT  QUESTION. CONTINUES TO BE  ASKED AND SO WE WANTED TO SOME  CREDIBLE WAYS TO DO THAT  THAT'S PART OF WHAT THE DESIGN  PROCESS CAN DO.  >> AND THEN IN THE.  >> IN THE PROCESS OF MOVING  FROM A PLANNING STUDY TO  DESIGN STUDY OTHER OTHER  PROJECT ELEMENTS THAT SHOULD  BE CONSIDERED. AND I THINK  THAT'S OFF AND THE KINDS OF  THINGS THAT ARE UNCOVERED WHEN  YOU MOVE FROM A PLANNING STUDY  TO A DESIGN STUDY. SO WE DID  DISCOVER SOME ITEMS AND SO  HERE'S WHAT THOSE THINGS LOOK  LIKE AND THEY HAVE AN IMPACT  ON THE BUDGET. SO THE PIECE OF  PROPERTY THAT WE BOUGHT IS A  VERY STRATEGIC. BUT THE CITY  BOUGHT IS IN A VERY STRATEGIC  LOCATION. BUT IT HAS WETLANDS  AND THERE IS A COST TO  MITIGATE THOSE WEAPONS AND WE  NEED TO MITIGATE THE LET  LENDERS BECAUSE THEY TAKE UP A  PROPORTION OF THE SITE THAT WE  NEED BUT ARE BUILDING OUR  PARKING AND SO THERE'S A COST  ASSOCIATED WITH THAT YOU CAN  SEE THERE.  >> AND OF COURSE BE EXTENDING  UTILITIES TO THAT AREA OF THE  CITY THAT IS NOT FULLY  DEVELOPED YET. SO THERE'S  5 MILLION THERE THE OTHER  THINGS THAT CAME TO LIGHT IS  THE BUILDING SIZE INCREASE,  YOU KNOW THEY'RE LIKE THIS 5%  INCREASE WHEN YOU KIND OF DO A  DEEPER DIVE INTO THE  INFORMATION SO WE REALIZE THAT  REALLY WE'RE WISE TO PLAN FOR  A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE. SHELF  SPACE. SO HERE'S WHERE WE  BEGAN TO DIG INTO THIS  QUESTION OF.  >> I WOULD MEET THE NEEDS  BEYOND 2050. AND ONE OF THE  THINGS ON THE STRATEGIES  THAT'S.  >> APPLIED IN THE DESIGN AND  CONSTRUCTION INDUSTRY IS TO  BUILD WHAT THEY CALL SHELLS  PICKS TREE PROBABLY HAVE A  MAYOR WITH THAT WHERE YOU  CENTRALLY BUILDING IMPLOSION  OR BUT YOU DON'T FINISH OUT  THE INTERIOR LOT GROWING  COMMUNITIES HAVE TAKEN THAT  ADAGE E AND WHAT IT DOES IS IT  BLOCKS IN PLACE A FOOTPRINT SO  THAT WHEN YOU ARE READY TO  EXPAND INTO THAT SPACE. YOU  KNOW HAVE TO KIND OF SHUT DOWN  OPERATIONS OF THE BUILDING IN  ORDER TO BUILD A BUILDING ON  TOP OF RIVERSIDE, A BUILDING  SO IT'S A GOOD STRATEGY. THE  OTHER THING IT DOES IS IT  ADDRESSES THE REALITY THAT.  BUILDING CODE CHANGES HAPPEN.  FOR EXAMPLE, THE BUILDING THE  POLICE ARE IN NOW THERE'S BEEN  BUILDING. CO CHANGES THAT  WOULD IF THAT BUILDING WERE  REMODELED AND EXPANDED IT HAVE  TO DO SIGNIFICANT UPGRADES AND  IMPROVEMENTS JUST TO COMPLY  WITH THE NEW BUILDING CODES  WHEN WE BUILD SHELF SPACE LIKE  THE STRATEGY, WE'RE LOOKING AT  HERE WE'VE OVERCOME THAT  CHALLENGE TAKE AWAY THAT RISK  OF BUILDING CODE CHANGES THAT  MIGHT FORCE US TO REDO THAT OR  OR REDESIGN SO THAT'S SHELF  SPACE IF WE CAN EXTEND FROM  2015 TO 2065 IF YOU SEE WE'RE  LOOKING AT TRYING EXTEND THE  USEFUL LIFE OF THIS BUILDING  OUT THE 2065. IT DOES COME  WITH A COST. AND WE'LL TALK  MORE ABOUT PAYING THAT MUCH  NOW SAVES YOU A LOT OF MONEY  IN FUTURE. THERE WAS A SPECIAL  AUSTIN SRT GARAGE. THERE'S  OPERATION AND THE POLICE  DEPARTMENT DOES THAT EVEN A  LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE IN THE  ORIGINAL STUDY, THE IMPOUND  LOT YOU KNOW THE POLICE  DEPARTMENT CARRIES THE  PRESERVING OF THINGS THAT ARE  SEIZED AS EVIDENCE IN LIGHT  CONDITIONS SO THAT AT THE END  OF THE COURT PROCEEDINGS. THEY  CAN RETURN IT TO THE AND STILL  BE IN MY CONDITION. AND SO  THAT THE IMPACT OF THAT WAS A  LITTLE BIT GREATER THAN WAS  INITIALLY INTENDED. THERE WAS  NEW A DROP. SO WHAT HAPPENS IS  YOU MAY BE MAY ALREADY IS  POLICE DEPARTMENT BY VEHICLES  AND THEY HAVE TO BE KIND OF  CUSTOM UPDATED TO PERFORM THE  POLICE MISSION ALL RIGHT SO  THERE'S TECHNOLOGY THERE'S  OTHER PIECES AND PARTS THAT  ARE ADDED AND IT'S YOU KNOW  IT'S A FAIRLY LATE IN PROCESS  AND THAT IS ALWAYS GOING TO BE  SOMEWHAT YOU KNOW, BUT IF THE  QUESTION CAME UP, HEY WELL  OTHER EFFICIENCIES TO BE  GAINED IF WE DO THAT ON THIS  NEW SITE YOU KNOW WAS INCLUDED  IN THE ORIGINAL THERE MIGHT BE  SOME ADVANTAGES TO DOING THAT  AND SO YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A  COST ASSOCIATED IF THE CHOICE  IS TO ADD THAT ON ON SITE  FEELING STATION YOU THERE'S  THERE'S SOME EFFICIENCY AND  FUNCTIONALITY BENEFITS HAVING  THAT ON SITE INSTEAD OF ACROSS  TOWN ARE SOME REMOTE LOCATION.  AND FINALLY THE PERIMETER  FENCE WE WITH THIS PIECE OF  PROPERTY THAT'S BEEN ACQUIRED.  YOU KNOW THERE'S RESIDENTIAL  PROPERTIES NEARBY AND SO HOW  WE KIND OF SCREEN THIS  FACILITY PROBLEM, RESIDENTIAL  PROPERTIES REALLY MATTERS. AND  YOU KNOW WE MIGHT NEED TO DO  SOME SCREENING THAT IS LIKE A  WALL THAT WAS ORIGINALLY WE  WERE THINKING JUST BASIC FENCE  RIGHT. SO AGAIN WE'RE TRYING  UNDERSTAND EACH OF THOSE  ELEMENTS ASSIGN VALUES TO  THEM. AND SO IT IF YOU SEE  THAT NUMBER THERE'S 22.6  MILLION ADDED TO THAT ORIGINAL  BUDGET OF 95. AND SO THAT'S  THE MAP FOR HOW WE GET TO THE  ONE 2267.  >> I LIKE THAT A LITTLE BIT  MORE WE'VE ALSO CONTACTED  MULTIPLE PARTNERS THAT HAVE UP  VARIOUS POLICE STATIONS AROUND  THE STATE KIND OF THESE  NUMBERS AGAINST WHAT THEY'VE  AND THERE'S THERE'S A IT ALL  COMES ON THE SCOPE THAT'S IN  THE FACILITY THAT THEY'RE  CONSTRUCTING. SO IT'S HARD TO  COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES WHEN  YOU DON'T KNOW THE FULL SCOPE  OF SOME OF THESE PROJECTS YOU  MIGHT HEAR A NUMBER THAT'S  REALLY REALLY GOOD AT THE END  OF THE DAY YOU START LOOKING  THEY HAVE A FIRING RANGE THAT  WE DON'T HAVE AT OUR FACILITY  THEY MIGHT HAVE A 200,000  SQUARE FOOT PARKING STRUCTURE  THAT'S NOT OURS ALL OF THOSE  WILL AFFECT THAT BOTTOM DOLLAR  THAT COST PER FOOT WILL  ACTUALLY APPOINT BUT AS WE  TAKE THE INFORMATION THAT JUST  OUTLINED FOR YOU WE'VE GOT A  LOOK AT WHAT THOSE KEY  ELEMENTS ARE. THIS IS A SITE  PLAN WITH NORTH BEING TO THE  RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PAGE  WANT TO REFERENCE PLAN OR JUST  BE A STRAIGHT UP AS WE TALKED  YOU CAN SEE THE POLICE  HEADQUARTERS AS PLANNED AT A  109,000 SQUARE FEET. THIS  LEADS ALL OF THE NEEDS THAT  THEY WOULD HAVE A THEY AND  THAT FUTURE GROWTH UP TO 2065.  IF YOU ACCOUNT FOR THAT YELLOW  HIGHLAND AREA THE PORTLAND  WHICH IS THAT FACE THAT JUST  OUTLINED THAT SPACE REALLY  PROVIDES ALL OF THAT  FLEXIBILITY AT WHAT WOULD BE  YOUR CHEAPEST COST PER FOOT  THE BILL TODAY VERSUS BUILDING  IT DOWN THE ROAD WE TALK A  LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT LATER IN  THE PRESENTATION, BUT  ESSENTIALLY THIS WOULD INCLUDE  7400 SQUARE SRT GARAGE UPON  PLANNED OR. SIDE OF THE SITE  ALONG WITH JUST 5200 SQUARE  FEET. IT WOULD INCLUDE A  ENCLOSED IN COVERED IMPOUND  LOT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF  THE EVIDENCE VEHICLES THAT ARE  BEING STORED PROTECTED FROM  THE ELEMENTS AND THEY'RE ABLE  TO PROVIDE BACK OF LIKE  CONDITION VEHICLE. WHEN THE  TIME COMES TO THE TO RETURN.  YOU HAVE THE FUEL STATION  THERE JUST TO THE PLANT SOUTH  OF THAT COVERED IMPOUND LOT  CENTRAL ENERGY PLANT FOR ALL  OF THE KILLERS AND THE  GENERATORS THAT ARE GOING TO  BE REQUIRED TO OPERATE THIS  FACILITY. WHAT YOU'RE SEEING  THERE IN PINK OUTLINE SOME  KIND OF COVER PARKING THAT THE  POLICE OFFICER CAN PARK THE  OUT OF THE RAIN AND THE  WEATHER UP ESSENTIALLY YEAH,  ALL OF THESE ITEMS AMPLE  AMOUNT PARKING FOR OPERATIONS  INCLUDES THE WETLAND  MITIGATION AND YOU'LL THAT I  ALREADY MENTIONED. THAT IS THE  122 MILLION DOLLAR THAT WE'RE  LOOKING AT WE THINK THIS NEEDS  ALL OF THE NEEDS FOR NOW AND  IN THE FUTURE. IT'S A REALLY  CRITICAL AND IT'S A  OPPORTUNITY FOR THE CITY TO TO  REALLY EVALUATE THIS UP THIS  OPTION. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK  HERE'S NEXT YEAR'S IMAGE OF  WHAT THAT FACILITY COULD LOOK  LIKE MEANING THAT 122 MILLION  DOLLAR BUDGET. YOU CAN SEE IT  PROVIDES A NICE STRONG  PRESENCE OFF OF A TOLEDO BLADE  BOULEVARD SO IT REALLY GIVES A  FACE OR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT  AND THE COMMUNITY KNOW THAT  THEY'RE HERE TO PROTECT AND  SERVE AND SOMETHING TO BE  PROUD OF AS IF THEY OPERATING  HERE. THERE'S NOT ENTRY POINT  WHERE YOU WALK IN. THERE'S A  LITTLE BIT OF A PLAZA AND THIS  IS SECURE ENTRY FOR IT. THE  PUBLIC CHECK IN. THERE'S A  COMMUNITY CENTER A LOT OF  OTHER SO HE NEEDS. A GLANCE OF  WHAT THAT LAW BECAUSE LOOK  LIKE THIS IS NOT THE LOBBY BUT  I KIND OF A PRECEDENT IMAGE  ALONG WITH SOME INSPIRATIONAL  LIKE MATERIALS THAT WE'RE  LOOKING AT SO SOME TEXTURED WAL  HANGING FROM THE CEILING  REALLY SPEAKS GIVES PRIDE TO  THE TO THE DEPARTMENT. AND  KIND OF A COLOR PALETTE THAT  ALIGNS WITH THAT THAT BLUE  COLOR EVERYBODY KNOWS  REPRESENT PD. WHAT DOES IT  LOOK LIKE IF WE DO REDUCE  THAT. WE TOOK A LOOK AT THE  100 MILLION OPTION AND WHAT  HAPPENS HERE IS YOU'RE GOING  YOU'RE IN YOU'LL NOTICE A LOT  OF THINGS ARE NO LONGER  INCLUDED WITHIN THAT GROWTH  OPPORTUNITY SO THE  HEADQUARTERS STRUCK DOWN ABOUT  A 100,000 SQUARE FEET. YOU  STILL HAVE THE SRT GARAGE.  YOUR SHELF SPACE. THE YELLOW  IT REDUCES DOWN TO ABOUT 6,000  SQUARE FEET. SO WHAT THAT  MEANS IS THAT THE GROWTH IS NO  LONGER A 26 TO TAKE YOU TO THE  2050 MARK SO THERE IS SOME  ROOM BACON THERE. YOU HAVE  YOUR YOUR PARKING BUT YOU'LL  NOTICE THAT IT'S REDUCED DOWN  AND THERE'S THERE'S LITTLE TO  NO COVER IT STALLS YOU HAVE  SOME DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO  WHERE THE POLICE OFFICERS  WOULD BE COMING OUT OF THE  BUILDING FOR QUICK REACTION TO  ANY KIND OF CALLS THAT THEY  MAY HAVE BEEN THERE IN THE  HEADQUARTERS. BUT YOU'RE  YOU'RE LOSING THAT I 1000  SQUARE FEET OF ACTUAL  HEADQUARTERS ITSELF. YOU'RE  LOSING GARAGE. SO IT WOULD  STILL BE REQUIRED SOMEWHERE A  OFF SITE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE  CARE OF THOSE VEHICLES. YOU'RE  GOING TO REDUCE THE IMPOUND  LOT DOWN TO WHAT JUST BE A  COVERED AND HOW LOT WITH A  CHAIN LINK FENCE. THOSE  VEHICLES ARE STILL COVER. BUT  THEY'RE NECESSARILY PROTECT  AGAINST THE ELEMENTS AS THEY  WOULD HAVE BEEN HIT THE AND  THEN AGAIN YOU'RE LOSING ALL  THE COVERED PARKING AND THE  FUEL STATION WOULD BE  SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD STOP  TO GO OFF SITE FOR THE KEY  WITH THIS WITH THE SHELF SPACE  REDUCTION. I'M JUST KIND OF  DOING SOME MATH ON THAT WOULD  THAT WOULD EQUATE TO IS RIGHT  NOW YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THE  SHELF SPACE TODAY FOR UP TO  $300 A FOOT BUILD OUT THE  SHELF SPACE. IF YOU DON'T DO  THAT YOU LOOK TO BUILD THAT  SAME AMOUNT FOOTAGE DOWN THE  ROAD. IT'S ABOUT A 30.  30 MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT COST  AND THAT TAKES THE COPPER PUT  THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT WE  BETTER AGAINST WITH ARE SEEING  PARTNERS. 700 FOOT. AND YOU  TAKE OUT THAT COMES OUT TO  ABOUT 21 MILLION DOLLARS YOU  ADD IN AND THEN YOU HAVE 6% OF  COST ESCALATION THAT WOULD  HAVE FOR YEAR. IF YOU BUILT  0.32 BE LOOKING AT 3 TIMES THE  AMOUNT WHAT WOULD BILL THE THE  BILL THAT SHELF SPACE TODAY.  SO JUST TRYING TO BE STEWARDS  OF THE DOLLARS YOURS IN THE  TAXPAYERS, YOU KNOW IT'S  SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IF  YOU'RE KIND MOVING FORWARD  WITH THE PROJECT. AS FAR AS  THE EXTERIOR AND PACKS WHAT  DOES THAT DO TO IT THE RED  FOXES ARE ARE IDENTIFYING  AREAS WHERE THAT SHOW FACES SO  THOSE SPACES BEYOND THAT REDD  FOXX WOULD GO AWAY THOUGH  BECOME SKY THERE WOULD BE SOME  ADDITIONAL.  >> DESIGN MODIFICATIONS THAT  WOULD NEED TO OCCUR TO THE  FACILITY ITSELF. AND YOU CAN  SEE AN AERIAL IMAGE THERE THAT  JUST KIND OF SHOWS THAT IT'S  HARD TO SHOW ALL THE IMPACTS  ON JUST THIS ONE VIEW. BUT  THAT SHOWS THE DEATH AND HOW  MUCH FOOTAGE YOU'RE ACTUALLY  LOSING BY CHOOSING NOT TO DO  THAT SHELF SPACE TODAY. WE'VE  ALSO BEEN ASKED TO LOOK AT A  78 MILLION DOLLAR OFF INTO THE  50 MILLION DOLLAR AND YOU CAN  SEE WHAT THIS BASICALLY  EQUATES TO IS AN 80 MILLION  ANSARI 80,000 SQUARE-FOOT  HEADQUARTERS. CODE MINIMUM  PARKING OR PUBLIC NPD AND THE  WEATHER AND MITIGATION ALL THE  OTHER ITEMS ARE GOING TO BE  LOST. THE 50 MILLION DOLLAR  OPTION IT TAKES YOU DOWN TO  ABOUT 40,000 SQUARE FEET AND  REALLY ALL THAT DOES IS WE TO  CURRENTLY THESE 2 OPTIONS  AFTER OUR ANALYSIS ALL THE  CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD HE'S  WITH BE KIND OF A WASTE  TAXPAYER DOLLARS AT THIS POINT  TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS WE  DO NOT RECOMMEND IT BASED ON  PROFESSIONAL OPINIONS. WE  REALLY TRULY FEEL 122 IS IS  GOING TO MEET ALL OF THE NEEDS  THAT YOU NEED NOW AND INTO THE  FUTURE AND WANT TO BE THE MOST  COST EFFECTIVE. BUT IF YOU ARE  LOOKING FOR THEY'RE GOING TO  MINIMAL WHAT YOU WOULD  CONSTRUCT A 100 MILLION  DOLLARS WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY  THE MINIMUM THAT WE WOULD  RECOMMEND. AND WITH THAT WILL  >> THANK YOU SO MUCH AND THAT  WAS GREAT KNOW THAT WE  QUESTIONS FOR VOTE AS WE  CONTINUE.  >> BELIEVE ARE LIE.  >> THIS LAST LINE IS REGARDING  FUNDING SOURCES. JUST LIKE  THAT THE MEETING PUBLIC  COMMENT. OFFICE BECAUSE AT  THIS WE'RE AT A POINT WHERE WE  NEED TO FIGURE OUT THIS STAND.  LEAST PAINFUL WAY POSSIBLE. IF  WE WERE TO KEEP A THE BUILDING  CURRENTLY RESIDE OUR GROWING  OF THE CITY WOULD NEED TO  UTILIZE THAT SPACE IT WOULD  SAVE US. THE OPPORTUNITY OF  HAVING TO GO OUT BUY MORE  SPACE BUT THE DEPARTMENT IS  NOT AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT,  BUT YOU SO YOU CAN SELL IT FOR  7 MILLION DOLLARS AND THAT  MIGHT EVEN CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS.  THE NEW POLICE STATION IF YOU  SO DESIRE. BUT WE WANT TO MAKE  SURE THAT WE TALK ABOUT  OPTIONS, INCLUDING YOU KNOW  THE CITY OWNS SOME LAND IN  PART 2 WE HAVE RECENTLY TRIED  TO ATTRACT AND DEVELOPMENT  SUCH AS ITALY AVENUE PROPERTY.  THE CITY MIGHT HAVE AN  APPETITE TO THAT PROPERTY HELP  REDUCE BURDEN OF COST BUT WHAT  A GAME WHICH I PUT ALL OPTIONS  ON THE TABLE. I'M GOING STOP  RIGHT THERE NOT A WAY  INTERVIEW FOR YOU'RE  QUESTIONING SESSION. AS IT IS  A LOT IS A LOT OF ALL RIGHT.  THANK LOT OF NUMBERS A LOT OF  SO.  >> YEAH LET'S START WITH  QUESTIONS.  >> COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  COULD YOU REMIND ME PLEASE.  WHAT IS THE EXISTING. HE THE  SQUARE FOOTAGE. 32,000 SQUARE  FEET. THAT'S NOT COUNTING THE  PARKING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT  IT'S JUST BUILDING THAT'S JUST  A SPACE AND ARE JUST NOW.  THANK YOU FOR THAT REMINDER.  AND IT PUTS THINGS INTO  PERSPECTIVE. WHEN I WAS GOING  THROUGH THE POWER POINT I KEPT  GOING BACK TO 2 QUESTIONS. IN  THE 122 MILLION DOLLARS. DOES  THAT INCLUDE THE ESC OR IS THE  SEE ADDITIONAL. THAT'S  RECEPTOR.  >> 122 THIS.  >> SO WHAT ABOUT SEE BECAUSE I  THOUGHT THEY WERE COMBINED  PROJECT CITY MANAGER SAID  EARLIER THAT COULD BE BROUGHT  BACK TO.  >> SKUS THOSE. THAT'S  EVENTUALLY GOING TO BE A LOT  OF THIS.  >> SHERRI US. MUCH SURE HAVE  WE EVEN EXPLORED WHAT DO YOU  SEE IS GOING TO COST.  >> WE FELL 12 MILLION OR IT  LOVE THEM  >> I BELIEVE IT SO  >> THE PROPERTY.  >> THAT WE PURCHASED OVER OF  TOLEDO BLADE. WHEN YOU WERE  TALKING ABOUT THE SITE NEEDS  WHEN WE GAVE THE GREEN LIGHT  FOR THAT PROPERTY. WE ALSO  DISCUSSED POSSIBLY HAVING. ITS  FUTURE FIRE STATION ON THAT  SAME PROPERTY IS THAT STILL IN  THE WORKS ARE.  >> THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE ABLE  AS OF THE  >> YOU TURN YOUR MIKE ON SO WE  CAN HEAR YOU GUYS PRESS THE  LITTLE BUTTON THAT'S. I GUESS  IT'S NOT PICKING UP.  >> SO MAYBE YOU SPECIALLY RAT.  MAYBE THEY CAN TURN IT UP BACK  THERE. ALL RIGHT SO THE FIRE  STATION IS NOW OFF THE TABLE  AT THAT PROPERTY. IS THIS  GOING TO BE PART OF THE  DISCUSSION ON MARCH 5TH TO  WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE  PUTTING A NEW FIRE STATION  THAT'S NEEDED OUT THERE.  >> WHAT HAS SHE TIES ISSUE  THAT QUESTION.  MORGAN TIED FOR  DISTRICT OUR CHIEF.  >> RIGHT NOW BECAUSE OF POINT  THE WAY NICE WE'RE IN THE  PROCESS WITH A WORKING WITH  BUT IMPORTANT OVERS OUT THERE.  FIRST THOUGH IT'S COMING IN.  QUITE THEM TO DO. BASICALLY  STUCK, WHICH WILL TELL US.  WHERE THE BEST LOCATIONS THAT  GOING TO SOMEWHERE IN THAT  AREA. WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY  WHERE NOT. HOW THAT ROAD  NETWORK NOW 3 PROPOSED GO  ANOTHER THOSE ROAD NETWORKS.  REALLY TIE INTO EACH WHEN  THINGS TRYING RESOLVE BEFORE  WE COMMIT TO. LOCATION.  WORKING PUT ON THERE. LOCATION  STATION OUT THERE. THAT WOULD  BE  >> MAYBE IT CAN TURN UP MIKE'S  A LITTLE BIT I DON'T KNOW  ABOUT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS  BUT I'M HAVING A HARD TIME  HEARING YOU GUYS WE HAVE NO I  GOT YOUR ANSWER, BUT IT'S  STRAINING TO HEAR NIGHT. I'M  SURE THE AUDIENCE AND THE  ♪ PUBLIC THAT ARE LISTENING  MIGHT HAVE DIFFICULT TIME  THANK YOU.  ♪ WHO GOES ON THE ACCREDITATION,  NOT ONLY FOR  TELECOMMUNICATIONS BUT ALSO IN  QUADRUPLE EXCESS EXCELSIOR  COULD CHANGE THANK YOU.  >> THE.  >> JUST I'M FLIPPING THROUGH  MY LITTLE TABS. THE CONSULTANT  MENTION THAT IF WE WERE TO  REMODEL THE PD. NOT THAT I'M  EVEN SUGGESTING IT BUT PART OF  THE PLAN WAS TOO HAVE YOU GUYS  MOVE OUT OF THAT STATION GOING  TO NEWS STATION AND THEN. CITY  DEPARTMENTS WOULD MOVE OVER TO  TV. BUT THE CONSULTANT SAID  THAT IF YOU DID ANY RE  MODELING TO PD IT WOULD HAVE  TO GO UP TO INCLUDE NEW  FLORIDA BUILDING CODE  REQUIREMENTS. SO NOW I HAVE TO  WONDER. WELL LET ME CLARIFY  HOPE YOU CAN HEAR YES WE OR A  POLICE FACILITY THAT DO NOT  APPLY.  >> ONE OTHER CITY FACILITY  THAT'S I'M SORRY I DIDN'T  MENTION THAT THAT'S KIND OF A  CLEAR LINE THAT'S THE BUILDING  CODE OKAY SO.  >> JUST MAKE SURE UNDERSTAND.  SO IF WE REMODELED PD FOR PD  PURPOSES IT WOULD HAVE TO UP  UP FIT TO FLORIDA BUILDING  CODE BUILDING HARD PARTY FOR  ALL A PART BUT IF WE MOVE A  CITY DEPARTMENT I DON'T KNOW  PARKS RECORD BUILDING OR  SOMETHING OVER THERE WE DO NOT  HAVE TO INCREASE FLORIDA  BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS  THANK YOU I'M GLAD I ASKED FOR  THAT IS THAT MY CHANGE THE  THING. THEY ARE ALL YIELD, I'M  CURIOUS TO HEAR SOME OF THE  QUESTIONS FROM MY FELLOW  COMMISSIONERS, DEFINITELY  COMMENTS AND ARE WE GOING TO  BE TALKING ABOUT THE FINANCING  PART THAT WAS THE REFERENDUM  BACKUP MATERIAL POWER POINT AT  THIS BECAUSE IT REALLY APPLIED  MORT PD THAT ANY OTHER  REFERENDUM DISCUSSION. IT DOES  HAVE AN ITEM FOR THE BOMBERS  YOU OKAY ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.  COMMISSIONER AVERAGE.  >> YEAH ONLY HAVE ONE QUESTION  PROBABLY FOR THE CITY MANAGER  WORK STATED IN THE SLIDE  PRESENTATION ABOUT THE UTILITY  OF WE'RE CURRENTLY RUN AND  UTILITIES OUT TOLEDO BLADE AND  THAT WAS ABOUT 4 MILLION  DOLLAR PRICE TAG IS THAT WHAT  IT'S GOING TO COST WHERE THE  LINES AND AND WHAT WE'RE  HOPING UP TO. BECAUSE I DON'T  KNOW IF THAT WAS TAKEN INTO  CONSIDERATION WITH THE SEWER  WATER AND GOING OUT THERE.  >> SO I CAN SPEAK ON THAT SO  AS RIGHT NOW IT APPEARS THAT  THE UTILITIES ARE PREGNANT  BROUGHT UP AS TRANSITION FROM  ORLANDO LANE WROTE LOOKS LIKE  THAT'S CAP THAT THEY CONFIRM  THAT LOCATION TO OUR SITE  INCLUDING ALL THE REQUIREMENTS  FOR THE 5 ARE IN THE CAR BUYER  THAT WOULD BE NEEDED FOR THE  POLICE DEPARTMENT ITSELF AND  ALL THOSE FRONTS.  >> THAT'S WHAT OKAY, SO THAT'S  INCLUDING OTHER THINGS BESIDES  JUST THE UTILITIES FOR ON THAT  BECAUSE IT WAS A FAIRLY HIGH  NUMBER THAT YOU KNOW, SO I  JUST WANT A CLARIFICATION SO  THANK  >> THAT ALL RIGHT.  COMMISSIONER LANGDON. SORRY  VICE MAYOR. QUESTION FOR CHIEF  DEPUTY CHIEF. WHICH OPTION.  VARIOUS OPTIONS. DO YOU OUR  PROFESSIONALS RECOMMEND.  >> YOU KNOW IT'S JUST BECAUSE  WE'RE THAT. RIGHT NOW WE'RE  YOU KNOW. IT WAS A LOT OF FOR  PAUL FUTURE. SO I WOULD SAY  THAT. FIRST OPTION WITH REALLY  WISH THAT I HAD 22 MILLION  DOLLAR I SAY BECAUSE THAT WAS  THE INITIAL PROJECT THAT  EVERYBODY ON THE WORKED ****  FOR THAT PROJECT THAT WHAT  TOMORROW LOOK LIKE IN  PROVIDING THOSE NEEDS.  >> SECOND QUESTION I HAVE IS  SOME CAN YOU SPEAK A LITTLE TO  THE ISSUE AND AND AND  CONVERSATIONS YOU FOLKS UP IT.  SCHOOL AUTHORITIES. WHY  WOULDN'T SOMEBODY ELSE THAT.  AND WE WE SIT. AND NOT HAVE TO  MAKE THE INFESTED IN THIS  PROJECT, OURSELVES. I ASKED  THAT QUESTION I GOT WHAT I  THOUGHT WAS PRETTY  SATISFACTORY ANSWERS BUT FOR  THE PUBLIC FOR THE REST OF US.  COULD YOU SPEAK A LITTLE TO IT  BECAUSE I I THINK THERE'S  VALUE WENT IN.  >> I WOULD LOVE I GET THE  CHEAPEST KITCHEN TO RESPOND  WEB SO IT WAS A GOOD QUESTION  IT'S BEEN TO RUN INTO SO MANY  CITIES ABOUT P 3 A BILL FOR  HAVING DEVELOPERS WANT TO  BUILD IT.  >> IN THE RESEARCH FOUND IS  THAT WHEN YOU GO THAT ROUTE  BECAUSE EVERYONE'S IT TO ME.  SO FOR WHEN THEY DO YOUR  BUILDING IS GOING TO GET MONEY  UP FRONT AND THEY ALSO MONEY  OF THE INTEREST RATE IN THE  LONG RUN. THEY NEED TO GET THE  MONEY UP FRONT. SO WHAT  AGENCIES IN CITIES OF LEARN.  ONE OF THE BIG CARS THAT  THEY'LL DO THAT FOR THE  CHEAPEST WITH. WHITMAN'S SO  AND SO FORTH THAT GO INTO  BUILDING, I'M SURE CAN SIT  HERE AND TELL YOU THE SAME  THING BECAUSE THERE THAT MAKE  THAT MONEY THEY WANT SOME  MONEY UP FRONT A GOOD CHUNK OF  IT SO IT WILL THEY WILL LOOK  FOR EVERY CUT CORNER THAT THEY  COULD ON THE BUILDING VERSUS  WHERE WE GO WE DO THAT WITH  YOU KNOW MANAGER AT RISK  ARCHITECTS FROM GOING TO GET  THE BEST OF THE BEST FOR THE  TAXPAYERS MONEY. THAT'S WHAT  I'VE LEARNED REPEATEDLY  THROUGH OTHER CHIEFS GOING TO  THAT'S WHERE WE GO TO THESE  CONFERENCES THAT'S WHY WE  NETWORK THAT'S WHY WE ASK ALL  THE QUESTIONS. CHIEF OF GET  THESE ANSWERS AND FIND OUT SO  THAT WAS ONE OF THEM AND IT  WAS KIND OF DON'T GO THAT ROAD  GO DOWN THAT ROAD. WE JUST  EXPOUND ON THAT A LITTLE BIT  YOU THEY DELIVER THIS PRODUCT  RIGHT WHAT ONCE YOU GET INTO  THAT BUILDING AND YOU START  LEARNING ALL THE DEFICIENCIES  THAT ALL THE SHORTCUTS THAT  WERE MADE YOU'RE COMING BACK  TO COMMISSION ASKED FOR MORE  MONEY.  >> MAKE SOMETHING.  >> WHAT SO IN THE LONG RUN  YOU'RE ACTUALLY SPENDING MORE  MONEY. BUT UP FRONT IT LOOKS  LIKE YOU'RE SPENDING LESS.  >> APPRECIATE THAT I THINK  PEOPLE NEED TO HEAR IT. SO.  >> I THINK TO GREATER, I THINK  IT'S IT'S THE P 3 IS NOT ABOUT  YOU WHEN IT COMES TO A POLICE,  PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING. THAT'S  A BUILDING YOU DON'T WANT TO  YOU DON'T WANT TO. CORNERS  WITH YOU WANT TO USE THE BEST  OF THE BEST THE QUICKEST A DR.  AND THE RIGHT MATERIALS AND  EQUIPMENT FOR BUILDING LIKE  THAT.  >> APPRECIATE IT THE FINAL  QUESTION AND AND AGAIN I KIND  UNDERSTAND ANSWER FOR THE  PUBLIC. THERE WILL BE  QUESTIONS IT'S. THEY'RE NEW  QUESTION SPOKE BUT FOR GENERAL  PUBLIC SOMETIMES PEOPLE SEE IT  THAT WAY THEY THEY THEY LOOK  AT THIS AND THEY SAY. WANT TO  SPEND 100 MILLION DOLLARS PLUS  A NEW HEADQUARTERS. HOUSE  REALLY TRANSLATE TO SAFETY.  FOR OUR CITIZENS. I MEAN  SHOULDN'T ALL POLICE OFFICERS  IN CARS DRIVING AROUND LIKE  ARRESTING PEOPLE ARE BREAKING  THE LAW HOUSE THIS BIG  HEADQUARTERS HELP PROVIDE  GREATER SAFETY FOR OUR  CITIZENS. UNDERSTAND IT. AND I  WOULD THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE IF  THEY IT WOULD PUT WITHOUT  DOING A REAL DEEP DIVE IF YOU  COULD GIVE US FEEL FOR THE 2  REACTION. POLICE WORK IS GOING  TO BE CUT BECAUSE IT IS  TRANSITIONING FROM YOU KNOW  THAT FROM THAT THE TO A HIGH  TECH KIND OF APPROACH WITH A  104 SQUARE MILES STRATEGIC  TARGETING IT'S IMPORTANT AND  IF YOU CAN TALK A LITTLE TO IT  BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IT'S  WORTHWHILE FOR SOME OF THOSE  REALLY DON'T PAY A WHOLE LOT  OF ATTENTION BUT.  >> WELL WHEN THEY REALIZE  WE'RE LOOKING FOR A  100 MILLION DOLLARS PLUS TO  FINANCE THIS PROJECT, BUT.  >> YOU KNOW ROLE IS THE  BACKBONE OF ANY LAW  ENFORCEMENT AGENCY RIGHT  THAT'S WHAT THE PEOPLE YEAH  THE DAY AND SO IT PICKS UP THE  PHONE CALL 911. THEY WANT SOME  OF THE SHOW BUT THEIR DOOR. SO  THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THEY SEE.  THEY DON'T REALIZE ALL THE  HARD WORK BEHIND THE THAT'S  BEING DONE INSIDE A POLICE  STATION RIGHT MOST OF YOUR  YOUR FORMER TORO CAR DROVE IN  A ROW. BUT YOU HAVE YOUR  DISPATCH THAT YOUR LIFELINE  ENERGY SECTOR DOING ALL THE  HARD WORK YOU HAVE YOUR REAL  TIME INTELLIGENCE SEARCH, IT'S  ANALYZING ALL THE DATA THAT'S  COMING IN AND OUT IF YOUR  PROPERTY, YOU KNOW THAT'S  THAT'S BEING DONE OF THOSE  BUILDINGS. IF YOUR RECORDS  MANAGEMENT YOUR BODY CAM STUFF  EVERY EVERYTHING IS HOUSED IN  THAT BUILDING SEPARATE KNOW  YOU HAVE. COMPLETELY CONDENSED  PORTIS POINTS THROUGHOUT  DIFFERENT AREAS WHERE THOSE  OPERATIONS ARE NOT BEING  OFFICIAL. I THINK IF WE  OPERATE EFFICIENT MANNER. WE  WILL PROVIDE A BETTER PRODUCT  HORSES APPRECIATE IT.  >> SO I HAVE THANKS FOR ALL  YOU THANK  >> ALL THANK YOU THAT QUESTION  CLEAR VICE MAYOR I APPRECIATE  THAT. COMMISSIONER LANGDON.  THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR.  >> FOR US TO I JUST WANT TO  MAKE COMMENT I SUPPORT A NEW  FACILITY AND. THERE'S NO  QUESTION MY MIND CONCERNING  THE FOR A NEW FACILITY AND I  WANT THE VERY BEST FOR MEN AND  WOMEN IN BLUE SO FOR ME THERE  ARE JUST 2 QUESTIONS. ONE IS  HOW BIG DO WE NEED TO GO NOW.  WITH WITH THIS FACILITY. AND  HOW WILL WE PAY FOR SO THAT'S  WHERE MY HAS BEEN FOCUSED  QUESTIONS ARE A LITTLE BIT ALL  OVER THE I APOLOGIZE FOR FIRST  QUESTION FOR CITY MANAGER IN  YOUR PRESENTATION, YOU  REFERENCED SOME CRIME  STATISTICS WITH THOSE NORTH  TOWARDS SPECIFIC, THEY US.  AVERAGE IS IT WOULD LOOK FOR  SPECIFIC OK, THANK YOU. I HAVE  ONE YOSSI QUESTION, I KNOW  THAT'S REALLY NOT ON THE TABLE  TODAY. BUT WE WERE TALKING A  LITTLE BIT ABOUT.  ♪ RETROFITTING THE EXISTING  BUILDING AND WHAT THAT WOULD  COST HIM HAVING TO BRING IT UP  TO CODE DOES THAT ALSO APPLY  TO USING THAT BUILDING FOR ANY  O C. HE CONSIDERED A CRITICAL  FACILITY, OKAY. QUESTION FOR  CHIEF OR DEPUTY CHIEF. CAN ANY  OF THE GROUPS IN THE CURRENT  BUILDING BE LEFT BEHIND. AND  THE EXISTING BUILDING MAJOR  IMPACTS TO EFFICIENT CITY. SO  MINISTRATION  TELECOMMUNICATIONS PUT ANY.  TEMPORARILY FOR THE NEXT X  YEARS. THE LEFT BEHIND WITHOUT  HUGE EFFICIENCY IMPACTS.  >> YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH THE  EFFICIENT EFFICIENCY FOR GOING  TO START SQUEEZING ALL YEAR.  YOUR UNIT IN DIVISIONS.  >> CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT  MORE TO THAT TERMS OF HOW  TELECOMMUNICATIONS WOULD BE  IMPACTED FOR EXAMPLE IF THEY  WERE LEFT. EXISTING BUILDING.  >> WELL THEY HAVE A VITAL ROLE  IN OUR WORKING WITH TROLLS A  LOT OF TIMES THEY HAVE TO  INTERACT WITH. OFFICERS WERE  STUFF COMING OF KIDS. SOME  CLOSURE FOR THE CLOSER ROLE IN  ALL OF IT IS EASIER TO MANAGE  POINTS OF OR.  >> FOR THEM. EITHER  >> THANK YOU FOR THAT. VICE  MAYOR P 3 AND YOU DID A GREAT  JOB OF ANSWERING. THE  POTENTIAL NEGATIVES GOING AND  THE P 3 DIRECTION. BUT BUT  THERE IS ANOTHER WAY OF DOING  IT WHICH IS A LEASE BACK. SO  YOU CAN ANOTHER ORGANIZATION  TO FLIP THE COSTS GET EXACTLY  WHAT YOU WANT. AND THEN WE  WOULD PAY AN ANNUAL LEASE.  HAVE WE LOOKED AT THAT AS AN  OPTION IT WOULD PRECLUDE THE  SO HUGE OUTLAY OF FUNDS AND  WOULD ENABLE US TO PAY THAT  OVER TIME.  >> WE'RE WE HAVE THAT IN A  SECOND PRESENTATION AS AT END  OF. IF FUNDING OPTIONS FOR YOU  TO CHOOSE FROM MINUTE I WILL  DISCUSS SO WHAT FOUND AT THIS  POINT, OK THANK RIP THROUGH  REAL QUICK AND GO THAT'S YOUR  LOOK SOME OF THE OTHER THING  ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS.  BUT THEN WE HAVE TO BE  CONCERNED ABOUT HE DOESN'T  SEE.  >> AND WE START OPERATING IN  AREAS LIKE THAT, ESPECIALLY  WHEN YOU'RE BRINGING THAT  EVERY TECHNOLOGY TELECOM ALL  OF THE OTHER YOU'RE HAVING.  REPRODUCE A LOT STUFF THAT  WOULD PAY FOR SO THE LOWER  YOUR YOU WOULD. HOW SAFE ARE  CENTRAL.  >> YOU CAN THANK YOU FOR THAT.  WHAT ABOUT 911. IN THE PAST. 3  YEARS. I'VE HEARD A COUPLE OF  COMPLAINTS FROM RESIDENTS OF  THE CITY THAT THEY WERE PUT ON  HOLD WHEN THEY CALLED 911 10  THAT MIGHT NOT BE COMMON  KNOWLEDGE THAT OUR CALLS ARE  ROUTED THROUGH THE COUNTY  FIRST AND THEN DISPATCH  HAPPENS LOCALLY I HOPE  DESCRIBING NOT ADEQUATELY.  >> DOES.  >> DO ANY OF THESE. DO ANY OF  THESE PROPOSALS IN COURT FOR  A. THE POSSIBILITY OF OUR.  >> BRINGING 911.  >> INTO THE CITY, I KNOW IT'S  IT'S WAY PREMATURE TO TO THANK  OUR DISCUSS THAT. BUT IF THAT  BECAME A REALITY, WHAT KIND OF  IMPACT WOULD THAT HAVE ON OUR  RECENT LESSENING REQUIREMENTS  AND ON THESE PROPOSALS.  CURRENTLY NO ONES.  >> RUN BY THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE  HANDLES HE'S RESPONSIBLE  KNOWING THE CALL CENTER. IF  THE FUTURE PROJECTED TO WHERE  WE WOULD TAKE OVER 911 CALLS.  YOU'RE NOT LOOKING CRITICAL  INFRASTRUCTURE CHANGE WITH  POLICE DEPARTMENT IT'S A  MATTER OF. WE HAVE THE  TECHNOLOGY IN PLACE RECEIVED  NO VOTES FOR THE COUNTY. ALL  RIGHT SO THE NUMBER ONE  TECHNOLOGY IS ALREADY COMING  TO WORK BUILDING. IT'S ALL  TECHNOLOGY BASE TO WHERE THEY  FLIP THE SWITCH TO THOSE CALLS  ARE TRYING LEAD BUT. THE AREA  OF WE TAKE THOSE CALLS THAT  WAS WHAT THE FUTURE. WILL. SO  IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE GOING TO  GO OUT TO BUILD A NEW BUILDING  OR TO LIKE THAT. SO WE WOULD  BE. THIS DISPATCH CENTER IS  BEING DESIGNED FOR THE FUTURE  OF US BE THE BIG CITY BIG CITY  THEY CALL OILS. IT COMES INTO  PLAY SO YES, EVERYTHING IS  BEING LAID OUT WHERE THAT WAS  THE CASE WE'RE LOOKING FOR.  >> I WOULDN'T HAVE BROUGHT IT  UP IT JUST OVER THE PAST FEW  YEARS I'VE HEARD ONE OR 2  COMPLAINT, I WAS REALLY SYSTEM  AT OUR LAST NORTH PORT UNITED.  MEDIA THAT 3 RESIDENTS IN THAT  ROOM HAD RECENTLY HAD ISSUES  AND AND THAT REALLY CAUSED ME  TO PAUSE A LITTLE BIT. AND I  THINK WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK  AT THAT AND WE'RE GOING TO  TRACK THAT AND MAKE SURE WE  PLANNED FOR THE CITY ASSUMING  RESPONSIBILITIES AT SOME POINT  IN THE FUTURE. ERROL OR I MAY  NEED TO COME BACK. I HAVE A  LOT OF COMMENTS BUT THOSE  HANKS I HAD QUESTIONS THEY.  >> WE SOUGHT GREAT  PRESENTATION WITH THE E E O C  BUILDING SO I'M THE ONLY  OPTION FOR. CURRENT BUILDING  IS TO SELL IT. I WOULDN'T BE  USED. OR IS THAT WITH THE OC  BUILDING.  >> YOU KNOW POLICE, YES I  BELIEVE GOING TO BE TO TOTALLY  SEPARATE BUT WITH.  >> BUT THEY DID HAVE PICTURE  OF.  >> FELT OC BUILDING. YES, THE  STATION INCLUDED A NEW  HEADQUARTERS IN NEW CITY. SO  BASED ON WHAT WE'VE DONE IN  END THEY PURCHASED THEIR  POLICE STATION TO GO ON THEIR  NEW BUT SEE ON OUR EXISTING  >> WOULD THAT BE UTILIZING.  >> THE CURRENT POLICE.  >> I WE ALL BUILDING, I THINK  WHAT I THINK WHAT SHE'S WITH  THE MAYOR ALLUDED TO IT BUT  OTHER THAT WE COULD SO THE  POLICE STATION SO THAT WAS  OPTION FOR THE COMMISSION TO  CONSIDER RIGHT THAT WE COULD  SELL THE POLICE STATION FOR  7 MILLION DOLLARS AND USE THAT  MONEY GOING TOWARDS THIS.  >> NEW.  >> OKAY BUT THAT WAS THE ONLY  OPTION FOR THAT BUILDING JUST  TO SELL NO NO THAT'S AN OPTION  IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT  FUNDING RIGHT EYE WE'VE COME  UP WITH 7 MILLION DOLLARS PUT  TOWARDS NEW PROFIT BY SELLING  THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, HOWEVER  IF YOU DO THAT TAKES THAT AWAY  FROM THE CITY BE ABLE UTILIZE  THAT BUILDING FOR ANY OTHER  TYPE WELL THAT'S ASKING ABOUT  WHAT BE SOME OTHER OPTIONS TO  USE THAT BUILDING WE IN THE  CITY STAFF OVER THE MINNESOTA  THOUGH MAY BE BECAUSE WE IN  THE OTHER PARTNERS THAT WE  HAVE A WARNING BASES WELL AND  SO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO BE  PURPOSE THAT SITE WOULD HAVE  BUILDING RIGHT FOR OTHER  DEPARTMENTS AND SO THAT WE  DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD BE RIGHT  I WOULDN'T COMMIT ANY  DEPARTMENT TO LOCATION AT THAT  POINT I JUST WANTED SEE IF  THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT  WITHOUT FLOATING AROUND OUT  THERE OKAY THAT THE MAN IN  THAT BUILDING TOO I KNOW THE  SAID IT 7 MILLION IF YOU'RE TO  SELL IT.  >> SHE PUT A NUMBER ON THAT  NOT AS THE HART BUILDING BUT  IF YOU WERE TO BUILD THAT  BUILDING AGAIN NOT A HARDENED  BUILDING. IT WOULD BE ABOUT  30 MILLION DOLLARS OF TODAY'S  MONEY TO BUILD THAT BUILDING.  >> RECORD THAT WE HAVE TO YOU  HAVE STUFF RIGHT OKAY.  >> AND THEN EITHER WAY WHETHER  WE GO TO THE HIGH UNDER OR NOT  WE ARE STILL SHORT. I SO MY MY  MAIN QUESTION IS ABOUT. THE  MILLAGE RATE INCREASE SO WE'RE  GOING TALK ABOUT THAT NOW IT I  JUST WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THAT  THE LIST BECAUSE IT SAYS HERE  THAT WOULD BE USED TOWARD THE  BODY. WE WANTED TO GO THAT  ROUTE. AND HAVE YOU KNOW WHAT  THAT INCREASE PAY FOR THAT  WITH THAT LIST THAT SEPARATELY  THAT ACTS LIKE THAT ONLY 4 WE  PAY THAT ON SUCH AS WE GET OUR  STATEMENT NOW THERE'S A LITTLE  THINK FOR THE LEGACY TRAIL AS  A LITTLE THING FOR  ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE  LANDS WOULD KNOW THAT THEY  DON'T WANT THAT WILL IN THAT  COUNTY TAX RATE THAT'S THAT'S  AT IT SEPARATELY SO WITH THAT  SHOW THIS WHITE AS WELL WHAT  KNOW HOW THE BILL IS ACTUALLY  BROKEN NOW IN HIS LINE ITEM  THAT IS WE DON'T KNOW THAT  RIGHT NOW BUT WE'LL TURN  BECAUSE I'M THINKING IN TERMS  OF TALKING ABOUT THIS. THE  122 MILLION DOLLAR OPTION  WOULD TAKE US OUT HOPEFULLY 30  YEARS WHICH MEANS THAT THAT  WOULD TREAT WHATEVER IF WE GO  THAT ROUTE WOULD THERE FOR.  DURATION. I JUST WANTED TO IF  PEOPLE WOULD KNOW THAT  SPECIFICALLY  DIRECTED TOWARDS THIS THIS  BUILDING THERE. OF THE FIRM'S  WAS PERMIT.  >> 122 MILLION WILL TAKE YOU  40 YEARS. NOW IT'S 40 YEARS  2065, OKAY. ALL RIGHT I WAS  JUST LOOKING AT THE THINGS  THAT HE GOES TO 30 YEARS,  OKAY. YEARS.  WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT GOING TO  COME DOWN THE PIKE AS FAR AS.  >> TECHNOLOGY I MEAN EVEN ONE  THAT THE CURRENT BUILDING WAS  BUILT IT WAS NO WAY THAT  ANYONE COULD HAVE EVEN THOUGHT  ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE  NOW WHAT YOU NEED SPACE FOR.  WHAT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW  THAT THAT THAT BUT. I WILL  MAKE A COMMENT THAT I AM A BIG  BELIEVER IN PENNY WISE POUND  FOOLISH YOU KNOW WHEN YOU TRY  TO MAKE SOMETHING WORK THAT IT  WASN'T DESIGNED 41 SPENDING A  LOT MORE MONEY AND TIME TO  MAKE THINGS WORK AND I GOT  THAT IMPRESSION BY DOING THAT  OR IS THAT YOU'RE HAVE ALL  THESE THINGS SCATTERED AROUND  AND IT'S REALLY NOT WORKING  EFFICIENTLY AND EFFECTIVELY  BECAUSE YOU'RE JUST MAKING  SOMETHING WORK RATHER THAN  JUST YOU KNOW BITING THE  BULLET AND GETTING WHAT YOU  NEED SO. I'M JUST CURIOUS ON  THE CONVERSATIONS GOING TO GO  TO GET GET THIS DONE. I THINK  THAT MY QUESTION SO  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  >> I JUST HAVE A FEW OTHER A  LOT OF WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT  THE GROWTH 2015. BUDGET SHE  CHOSE THIS COSTING ABOUT A  115 MILLION DOLLARS. BUT  THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT  ARE NOT INCLUDED. AND THAT  THERE'S A IS IT POSSIBLE THAT  THOSE. THEY THEY APPEAR TO BE  MORE OUTSIDE OF THE MAIN  COVERED PARKING AND THEN. A  SHELL SPACE I GET SHELL SPACE  PART OF THE MAIN BUILDING. BUT  THERE'S OTHER BUILDINGS THAT  ARE OUTSIDE THE MAIN BUILDING.  COULD THOSE BEING DON. OVER  TIME.  >> IT COULD SUBSTANTIAL COST  THAT.  >> THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE  LOOKING AT WHAT WE CHOSE THOSE  ELEMENTS TO GET OUT OF THE  100 BILLION BECAUSE THOSE THE  PATH TO THE LEAST DISRUPTION  TO THE OPERATION OF THE  DEPARTMENT ITSELF TO BUILD  THOSE LATER ON. SOME OF THOSE  FACILITIES LIKE SRT ARE  CRITICAL TO THE OPERATION OF  SOUTH SO WE LEFT BUT YES THEY  COULD BE BILLED LATER ON  THAT'S WHY WE WERE SAYS SAYING  THE 100 MILLION WOULD BE THE  LEAST YOU WOULD WANT TO GO.  >> THE SHELF SPACE IS WHERE  IT'S GOING TO HAVE THE MOST  AND LONG-TERM BENEFITS OF THE  OF THE CITY.  >> SO WHEN I WHEN YOU GIVING  YOUR PRESENTATION ABOUT THE  COVERED PARKING.  >> HELP THIS.  >> PERSON. UNDERSTAND.  >> THE. WE.  >> FOR COVERED PARKING BECAUSE  YOU HAVE YOUR COVERED PARKING  BUT THEN YOU'RE GOING OUT IN  THE ELEMENTS TO OFFLOAD  WHATEVER YOU NEEDED COVER  PARKING SO HELP ME UNDERSTAND  THAT THE PART OF THAT.  >> DISCUSSION IS IS THESE  OFFICERS HAVE TO BRING IN NOT  JUST THE OFFICERS BUT OTHER  SUPPORT FOR SEOUL TO BRING I  DOLLAR WITH IT. SERVICES YOU  KNOW THE BRITISH HIGH DOLLAR  FROM ROOF OF THE CAR FOR  REPAIRS. YOU ALL BRING  EVIDENCE SO HE'S BEING SEIZED  OUT THINGS BACK TO THE RECALL  INTO THE BUILDING SO AS YOU  KNOW IT BRINGS A LOT FLORIDA.  SO POTENTIALLY YOU KNOW YOUR  KIDS COULD BE DAMAGED OR LOST  INTEREST.  >> OKAY, AND THAT IS EXACTLY  WHY I WAS ASKING THIS QUESTION  BECAUSE BE IF YOU PUT UP THAT  DIAGRAM OF THE GROWTH 2050 OR  EVEN THE OTHER DIAGRAM. IT'S  COVERED PARKING. THERE'S NO  WAY TO GET INTO THE BUILDING  WITHOUT GOING INTO THOSE SO I  THINK THE BIGGER QUESTION AND  I KNOW THIS IS FOR DESIGN, BUT  I WANT TO PLANT THE SEED NOW  BECAUSE MAYBE IT MIGHT HELP  SAVE A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY A  SALLY PORT. AROUND DID KIND OF  DRIVE WHERE YOU CAN COME AND  IT'S ALL COVERED AND YOU  OFFLOAD AS OPPOSED TO COVERED  PARKING. GET YOUR STUFF  TOGETHER AND THEN CARRY IT IN  IN THE LIGHT.  >> SO THERE IS SO IMPORTANT IN  THE DESIGN THAT THAT WOULD  ACCOUNT FOR ITS ON THE WEST.  THE NORTHWEST SIDE OF THE  BUILDING THAT WOULD COME IN ON  THE ROAD, THE RIGHT COUNTRY  ROAD IT KIND OF GOES TO THE  BUILDING. SO THERE'S A SALLY  PORT THERE THAT DEPARTMENT  WOULD BE FOR ADDITIONAL  OPERATIONS THAT THEY'RE  GETTING OUT OF THE VEHICLE  TAKING THE LAPTOP AND THE  PLACE OF THINGS INSIDE IT.  IT'S NOW SHELTERED FROM THE  ELEMENTS AND THEY CAN GATHER  AND THEY CAN QUICKLY WE COULD  PROVIDE COVER WALKWAYS THAT  LEAD TO THE BUILDING. THOSE  ARE THINGS THAT WE COULD THAT  FURTHER INTO RIGHT NOW IT WAS  SAY WHAT'S LET'S LOOK AT THE  ELEMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE  CRITICAL FOR THE OPERATION AT  THIS POINT PROBABLY WORTH  POINTING OUT THAT SALAD  PRIMARY FUNCTION JUSTICE UP  SIR.  >> ARREST FOR AND THEN WHETHER  YOU'RE GOING TO BE TESTED FOR  ARE THERE TO HELP THE QUESTION  FOR HELP TO BE TRANSFERRED.  THAT'S A PRIMARY FUNCTION OF  CAUSE OF THAT SORT OF WAY OVER  HERE ON THE MAY. SO I THINK  THE PURPOSE OF THE COVERED  PARKING. IS IS DIFFERENT AND  IT SERVES PATROL OFFICERS I  THINK YOUR POINT IS WELL IS  GOT THAT RIVER FROM WHERE YOU  PARK TO GET IN THE BUILDING. I  THINK THAT'S UNDERDEVELOPED  PART OF THE DESIGN WHICH  YOU'RE WISE TO POINT OUT SOUTH  TO MAKE IT REALLY SUCCESSFUL  WE'VE GOT TO KIND OF CONNECT  THE DOTS HERE. WELL THAT POINT  WELL TAKEN I THINK IT'S NOT  USING ASSAULT FOR INSTEAD IS  PROBABLY NOT A SCENARIO THAT  MAKES SENSE.  >> AND I APPRECIATE YOU  HEARING MY CONCERN BECAUSE  WHEN I SAW COVERED PARKING  UNLIKE A LOT OF GOOD IT DOES I  CAN ONLY HOLD AN UMBRELLA AND  SO MUCH STUFF TOO GET INTO THE  REST OF THE BUILDING. THANK  YOU FOR HEARING THAT.  OTHER QUESTION TO DO. KIND OF  WHAT THE MAYOR ALLUDED TO.  2065 40 YEARS FROM NOW. SO FAR  INTO THE FUTURE THAT I DON'T  EVEN THINK THE JETSONS COULD  HAVE PLANT THAT. BUT IF YOU  LOOK BACK 4 YEARS. WHERE WE  WERE 40 YEARS AGO, YES, WE'RE  IN A VERY TEENY TINY PLACE  BISCAYNE BOULEVARD WE GOT THIS  BUILDING AND THAT BUILDING  OPENED IN THOSE 7 SO. COLIN 20  YEARS LOOK AT HOW MUCH  TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED I'M NOT  EVEN TALKING TALKING  TECHNOLOGY, I'M TALKING ABOUT  THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE PD  IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE NOW  BECAUSE OF SOCIETAL CHANGES.  IF WE PLANNED 20. IF WE  PLANNED 40 YEARS FROM NOW.  >> HOW DO YOU PLAN FOR  SOMETHING THAT YOU DIDN'T EVEN  KNOW TO PLAN FOR 20 YEARS AGO.  SO HOW DO WE GET PAST THAT.  >> THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION  ACTUALLY BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHEN  WE I'VE BEEN DOING FACILITIES  FOR A LONG TIME AND TO YOUR  POINT A LOT OF CHANGE IF YOU  LOOK BACK 20 YEARS FROM NOW  WORKED OUT DIFFERENTLY AND SO  THINGS IN THE FUTURE WILL BE  DONE DIFFERENTLY. HONESTLY I  BELIEVE THAT THE SHELF SPACE  IS A CREDIBLE RESPONSE BECAUSE  YOU'RE NOT COMMITTING YOURSELF  TO THE TECHNOLOGY IN THIS  SPACE. YOU'RE JUST COMMITTING  YOURSELF TO AN ENCLOSURE THAT  YOU GET REDUCED NOW AND YOU  FINISH IT OUT TO MEET  TOMORROW'S TECHNOLOGY  REQUIREMENTS WE SO WE ALL HOPE  THE TECHNOLOGY WILL BE EVEN  MORE USEFUL TO US IN  FULFILLING THE LAW ENFORCEMENT  MISSION IN THE FUTURE RIGHT.  WE DON'T HAVE TO COMMIT TO  THAT TECHNOLOGY WE'RE JUST  BUILDING A SHELF SPACE. AND SO  I THINK THAT. THE THAT THE  SIGNIFICANT FACTOR IN WE'VE  PLANNING FOR 20 YEARS 30 YEARS  40 RIGHT I THINK IF WE ARE TO  BUILD THE WHOLE THING TODAY  AND NOT SHELF SPACE BUT  FINISHED OUT I THINK THAT WE  WOULD BE OVERREACHING I WANT  TO HOWEVER THIS IS THAT  INTERIM STRATEGY LITTLE OUT.  LOVE YOU GREAT. AND I GUESS  THE OTHER THING EMERGES IN MY  MIND ABOUT EMERGES IT KIND OF  SHINE PRIVATELY IS THAT.  THAT'S THE DATA FROM BIEBER  YOU KNOW, WHICH IS PRETTY  RELIABLE SOURCES THAT GROWTH  IS GOING TO CONTINUE AT A  STEADY AND RAPID RATE FOR  PORT. SO WE CAN NOT HEAR THAT  WAS WHEN WE DO HEAR THAT WE  HAVE TO FIGURE OUT OK HOW CAN  WE BEST USE OUR DOLLAR TO PLAN  FOR THE FUTURE SO THE SHELLS  FACES A KIND OF A STRATEGIC  TOOL TO HELP US DRESS HER AND  IT KEEPS OPEN EXACTLY WHAT  THAT SPACE IS GOING TO LOOK  LIKE WHICH IS THE CHALLENGE  KNOW WHAT ARCHIE I SEE WAS PUT  INTO THAT BUILDING HAD TO DO  TO WORK. WELL THAT WOULDN'T  HAVE TO BE DONE WHEN YOU  FINISH OUT THE SHELF SAID.  >> LIKE LPR LOCATION. WHAT DID  YOU CALL THE ARE REAL POINT  REAL-TIME INTELLIGENCE THAT  HAD TO BE RETROFITTED WHEREAS  IF WE HAVE BLANK SHELL SPACE.  IT ACCORDING TO THAT REAL TIME  PERCENT.  >> I'D LIKE THANK YOU VERY I'D  LIKE TO ADD TO THAT THAT WE  ARE VERY STRATEGIC WHERE THE  SHELF SPACE WAS LOCATED IF YOU  NOTICE THEIR SHELVES BASED ON  EACH END OF THE BUILDING ON  BOTH FLOORS AND EVEN SOME OF  THE FIRST FLOOR, SO IT WAS SO  THAT THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES  WHERE IT WAS NEEDED AND THAT  FLEXIBILITY OF HOW YOU NEED TO  DESIGN. ONE OF ONE OF THE BIG  TREMENDOUS FIRST COMMISSIONERS  IF YOU ARE WHAT STARTED ALL  THIS AND THEN WE DIVE BIGGER  INTO YOU HAVE A REALLY BIG  PROBLEM WAS PROPERTY HAVE  STARTED PROPERTY AND THAT  FIRST FOR GROWTH. TAKE US  THERE IS THAT SHELF SPACE OR  PROPERTY EVIDENCE TO GROW INTO  THE FUTURE IT THAT THAT ROOM  BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THAT'S  CRITICAL FOR US. AND THEN OF  ENTIRE BUILDING BECAME A  PRIORITY. AS WELL SO PROPERTY  EVIDENCE IN THE FIRST 4 HAS  ALSO SHELF SPACE TO TAKE US  INTO. YOU KNOW 40 YEARS.  >> THAT THANK YOU SO MUCH.  MAYOR I BELIEVE THAT ALL THE  QUESTIONS I HAVE LOOKING  FORWARD TO MOST OF MY  QUESTIONS HAS TO DO WITH HOW  WE CAN PAY FOR IT AND I THINK  THAT'S EVERYBODY UP HERE. SO I  LOOK FORWARD CONVERSATION.  OKAY. COMMISSIONER LANGDON.  >> YES MAYOR I HAVE NO MORE  QUESTIONS I JUST WANTED MAKE A  QUICK COMMENT IF YOU'RE OPEN  TO IN LOOKING AT THE 2030  ISN'T AN OPTION BY THE TIME  RIBBON CUT THIS BUILDING IS  GOING TO SAY 2030 SO THAT'S IN  MY MIND OFF THE TABLE. 27 DAY  YOU ADDRESSED. MY THINKING  EXACTLY WHICH IS WHY WOULD WE  WANT TO BUILD OUT TO 27 DAY.  OUR CURRENT BUILDING IS ONLY  20 YEARS OLD AND IT'S JUST  IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER OF WE  NEED MORE SPACE. WE NEED A  TOTALLY DIFFERENT  CONFIGURATION FOR THAT  BUILDING SO I LOVE THE IDEA  SHELF SPACE. ONE OF MY  COMMENTS COMING INTO THIS  MEETING IS WE NEED TO DO  WHATEVER WE CAN TO ACCOMMODATE  EXPANSION. AND THAT SEEMS TO  SATISFY MY NEED TO SEE THAT  KIND OF FLEXIBILITY. SO AT THE  IS THAT YOU HEAR WHAT MY  FELLOW COMMISSIONERS SAY THE  25TH DAY, I'M VERY COMFORTABLE  WITH THAT OPTION WITH THE  SHELF SPACE. AND THAT'S SORT  OF WHERE I'M SETTLING SO FOR  ME. I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL, MY INTEREST IS HOW  ARE WE GOING PAY FOR IT.  >> ONE POINT WE TALK SPACE AND  THERE'S KIND OF LIKE. 2  SCENARIOS OF SHELF SPACE A  LITTLE BIT OR MUCH MORE BIGGER  PEAS AND THAT'S THERE IS A  LITTLE BIT ABOUT BUILT INTO  THE 2050 SCHEME AS YOU SAW  WITH THE LITTLE YELLOW  HIGHLIGHTED AREAS. BUT A LOT  MORE BUILT INTO THE. LARGER  STING, SO YOU MAY WANT TO PUT  BUT I JUST WANT TO COMMENT ON  THANK YOU FOR THAT.  >> WHEN THE 2065 PLAN SEEN 300  I'M SORRY 30,600 SHELL SPACE.  LIKE EMPTY SPACE THAT'S  CORRECT. BUT IN THE 2050 PLAN  WHICH WILL BRING US  APPROXIMATELY 25 YEARS OUT  ONLY SEEN 6 THOUSANDS. BUT THE  ONE OF THE MAIN DIFFERENCES  BETWEEN THE 2 PLANS. THAT'S A  6,000 IS. NOT VERY MUCH SPACE.  I SORRY GUYS I ALWAYS REFER TO  THE DOLLAR GENERAL BECAUSE I  KNOW THAT'S 5,000 SQUARE NOT  THAT MUCH SPACE REFERENCE  6,000 SQUARE FEET IS WHERE  WILL PARKS OFFICIALS SIDE OF  THE STATION YEAH.  >> AND IT'S NOT VERY MUCH  SPEAKING UP LIKE THAT YOU KNOW  I. WE DO YOU KNOW THAT IF I  MAY JUST REAL QUICK COMMENT  WHEN WE WIN THE CITY PLANNED  THE PLAYSTATION THAT OPEN 7.  IT WAS SPANX PLAN FOR SPACE.  >> AND IT GOT GOBBLED UP.  MORE.  >> EVERYBODY MOVED AND SO I AM  REALLY AFRAID IF WE GO TO 2050  AND ONLY HAVE 6,000 OF THEM  UNACCOUNTED FOR SPACED SHELF  DOUBLED UP TO.  >> BUT IF I COULD ADD  SOMETHING ABOUT THE SHELF  SPACE IN GROWTH. BEING HERE  REAL 20, YOU KNOW STARTED 25TH  YOUR GOT HAVING THE SEAGOING  US FROM STARTING IN NORFOLK OR  SIZE GOING TO POLICE  HEADQUARTERS WE KNEW THAT THAT  WE WERE GOING TO OUTGROW THIS  A FEW YEARS, BUT IT WAS THE  CITY. I KNOW WAS A FAST PACE  AT THAT TIME. OPPORTUNITY IS  THERE ANYONE THEY GAVE US  EXPANSION OPTIONS FOR THAT  BUILDING IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER,  BUT THE PROBLEM IS. THE MONEY  KNOW TODAY THE BUILDING NOW IT  WOULD HAVE TO RE GOT THAT  ENTIRE BUILDING EXPAND IT COST  AS MUCH AS A NEW BUILDING  STATE THAT'S WHERE THE  DECISION WAS MADE BY  COMMISSION TO LIKE IT MAKES  SENSE TO GO THROUGH ALL FOR  ONLY BUILD IT. CHIEF A NICE  POSITION WITH THIS 30,000  SQUARE FEET IS THAT WE WE  DON'T WANT TO MAKE THE SAME  MISTAKE. AS HISTORY HAS TAUGHT  US. WE WANT TO WE'RE NOT GOING  TO SEE THIS 30,000 SQUARE-FOOT  WERE NOT TO BE A PART OF THAT  LOT OF HIS COMMAND STAFF YEARS  NOT GOING TO BE HERE TO SEE  THOSE DECISIONS BEING MADE BUT  WHAT WE'RE DOING IS LEAVING A  ROADMAP OR SUCCESSORS. BUT I  WAS THIS IS WHAT WE DID FOR  YOU WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO  GROW TAKE IT FROM HERE. AND  FUTURE. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE  THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO  HERE IN THE COST WHAT THAT IS  LIKE SINGLE SCHULTZ TELL YOU  KNOW 9 MILLION PER 30,000  SHELF SPACE TODAY. IN 20 TO 30  ITS 30 MILLION. BUT IT MIGHT  BE 20 35.40 THAT'S ABOUT  30 MILLION MORE PROBABLY 45 TO  50 MILLION. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE  TRYING THIS MAKES SENSE AND  THAT'S WHAT THE CHIEF I'VE  BEEN PUSHING FOR IT ONLY MAKES  SENSE THAT WHAT HISTORY  COMEBACK REPEAT, LET'S LEAVE  OUR SUCCESSORS ARE FUTURE  CHIEFS HERE OUR FUTURE LAW  ENFORCEMENT MAKE THOSE  DECISIONS MOVING FORWARD IN  THE FUTURE AND THEY CAN STILL  BACK AT LAWSON 7 ALL THAT. AND  A GOOD JOB.  >> OKAY COMMISSIONER LINE FOR  ANOTHER QUESTION, YOU A  QUESTION AND A COMMENT I WANT  TO THANK COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL  FOR REMINDING ME HOW LIMITED  THE SHELL SPACE WAS IN THAT  2050 PROPOSAL AND TOTALLY GET.  DO YOU ROUGHLY HAVE AN IDEA  TODAY'S DOLLARS. WHAT A SQUARE  FOOT OF SHELF SPACE. CE.  >> THAT'S 300 IS THE NUMBER  WE'RE IT GOES UP SLIGHTLY  BECAUSE ALL OTHER PROJECT COST  ON TOP OF GOES UP LIKE 15%. SO  ITS 300 TIMES YOU KNOW IT'S 3  3340 AT THE BOTTOM LINE COST.  OKAY GREAT.  >> THANK YOU FOR ATTACK. CITY  MANAGER WE.  >> YOU ARE LOOKING FOR SOME  CONSENSUS IS SARAH DO WE HAVE  PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST BEFORE WE  THIS.  >> IF YOU'D LIKE PUBLIC  COMMENT WE DO WANT COMMENT  OKAY. FROM BOBBY WHEN IT COMES  TO OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND  PUBLIC SAFETY WE NEED TO  CONSIDER. FUNDING OF OUR  POLICE DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS  OF THE LARGEST SQUARE FOOTAGE.  APPROXIMATELY 130,000 SQUARE  FEET AND TO BE YEAR 2065. THE  100,000 SQUARE-FOOT CONSIDER  NOW WILL NOT BE ENOUGH UNTIL  2065. YOU CAN ADD ANOTHER  30,000 SQUARE FOR  APPROXIMATELY 9 MILLION  DOLLARS NOW. CAN YOU IMAGINE  WHAT THE PRICE TAG WILL BE  ONCE THEY'VE OUTGROWN THE  100,000 SQUARE FEET. OUR RATE  AT THE RATE THE CITY IS  GROWING THIS WILL DEFINITELY  BE NEEDED AND WILL SAVE OR  CITIZENS MONEY IN THE LONG AN  INCREASE IN MILITARY AID IS  NEEDED I DON'T THINK ANY  CITIZEN WOULD MIND. AND ARE  $150 A YEAR MORE FOR POLICE  HEADQUARTERS THAT WILL NOT BE  OUTDATED AND 30 YEARS. WE'RE  THE SECOND FASTEST GROWING  CITY IN THE COUNTRY AND WE  NEED TO KEEP UP WITH THAT  GROWTH AND OUR POLICE  DEPARTMENT. CURRENTLY ARE WE  USING TRAILERS OUTSIDE OF  THEIR HEADQUARTERS AND ARE  USING CLASS FOR OFFICE. THIS  GREEN SOME OR OF THAT IS  EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO RETAIN  OFFICERS, WE HAVE ALONG WITH  ADDING OFFICERS DO TOO. THE  MASSIVE INCREASE IN  POPULATION, LET'S NOT SKIMP ON  OUR PUBLIC SAFETY DO THE RIGHT  THING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR  TIME. AND WE DO HAVE IN-PERSON  PUBLIC COMMENT. MIKE IN ALL  THIS.  >> MENTION.  >> MORE INFORMATION LIKE  ROUTES. PORT. DECISIONS RIGHT  THAT YOU COME ACROSS. WE'RE  TALKING ABOUT IS OUR FIGURES  RIGHT. YOU KNOW THE  LONGEST-STANDING BUSINESSES  AND MORE BUT I'VE SEEN A LOT.  ONE THING YOU DON'T MESS WITH  THE SAFETY OF OUR CITY. IF  ANYTHING OUR HISTORY. AND  CURRENT STATE OF OUR COUNTRY  SHOWN US IS JUST THAT. WE NEED  TO OVER PROMISE UNDER DELIVER  WHEN IT COMES TO THE POLICE  PREDICT THE FUTURE GROWTH  IMPOSSIBLE PROBLEM, NOT TRYING  CATCH UP TO IT LIKE IT'S BEEN  IN THE PAST. LAST TIME THAT  WE'RE PULLING OVER 2000  PERMITS PER MONTH. IF THAT  CONTINUES. WE CATCH UP IN JUST  4 YEARS THAT WOULD BE OVER A  100,000. AND THAT'S COULD BE  JUST BUILDING PERMITS. THERE  COULD BE 3 OR 4 PEOPLE IN  THOSE HOUSES. POPULATION WAS.  IT'S A JOB AS A COMMISSION TO  BE GOOD STEWARDS OF OUR PETS  PAYING DOLLARS AS WELL AS OUR  SAFETY. THE MONEY THAT  TAXPAYERS WILL PAY PER SQUARE  FOOT NOW WILL BE FAR LESS THAN  WHAT IT WILL BE DOWN THE ROAD  TO BUILD WHAT THEY WILL NEED  THAT. POSSIBLY $400 MORE PER  SQUARE FOOT IS NOT BEING A  GOOD STEWART. IN THE FUTURE.  LOOK AT THE CURRENT BUILDING  WE SIT OUT APARTMENTS IN THIS  BUILDING NOW NEED ADDITIONAL  SPACE. APD THAT CURRENTLY AS  WE HAVE NOW PUT OCCUPY THAT  SPACE. OR THE BILLING  DEPARTMENT. WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE  THE SAME MISTAKE AGAIN PROTECT  PROTECTING THE BUILDINGS BUILT  OUT. AND THAT ONLY BILL IT AS  IT'S NEEDED NOW WE NEED TO  BUILD ITS GOING INTO THE  FUTURE. YOU HAVE TO PLAN FOR  THE FUTURE. FOR THE SECOND  FASTEST GROWING CITY AS WAS  JUST STATED IN FLORIDA, BUT  ACTUALLY I'M JUST BEFORE. BUT  IN THE WHOLE UNITED STATES  REPORTS THE TOP LOCATION FOR  YOU ALL WITH ONE WAY  TRANSPORTATION EVERYBODY'S  COMING HERE. I DO NOT MY EARS.  COMMISSION HAS EVER CAUSE AN  ISSUE PROVIDING MORE FOR LESS  WHEN LOOKING AT OUR TAX  DOLLARS AND FUTURE SAFETY. SO  I'LL LEAVE YOU WITH BECAUSE I  KNOW THIS IS A TOUGH DECISION.  THERE'S NEVER A GOOD TIME TO  MAKE A BAD DECISION. THERE'S  NEVER A BAD TIME TO MAKE A  GOOD DECISION. SUCCESS IS WHAT  SEPARATES OPERATION. MEETS  OPPORTUNITY. FAILURE IS WHEN  LACK OF FORESIGHT. IT'S  REALITY. THANK YOU. AND THAT  IS ALL OKAY.  >> ALL RIGHT SO WE NEED  CONSENSUS ABOUT CHOOSING A  MODEL IT SO WE EVEN KNOW WHAT  WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AT THIS  POINT OR I DON'T SOME OF THEM  I THINK WHAT YOU HAVE THE  VOTING NUMBERS WHICH WILL TIE  THE FLAMING INTO YOUR. SO WHAT  YOU WANT TO AND SO THAT THINK  ABOUT IT. WE WANT TO GIVE YOU  THE INFORMATION MAKE SURE THAT  YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS  SO THAT WHEN IT BRINGS BACK TO  YOU YOU CAN DO MAKE YOUR  DECISIONS AS A BODY AS TO WHAT  SIZE YOU WANT HOW MUCH YOU  WANT TO PAY FOR. OKAY WITH  ALSO INCLUDE THEN THAT RUSSIA  PLAYING OUT THE SURTAX AND ALL  OF THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT  THOSE DETAILS BUT WE'RE GOING  A STATION RIGHT NOW UP UP UP.  >> SINCE IT'S ALMOST 1030 IN  THE NEXT CONVERSATIONS GOING  TO BE QUITE FRANKLY ABOUT  FUNDING RIGHT CONVERSATION.  DETAILS AND STUFF MAYBE WE  COULD TAKE 10 MINUTE FROM  SHORE ON TO THAT. THANKS FOR  SUGGESTING THAT.  >> YES OKAY SO LET'S DO A 10  MINUTE BREAK COME BACK 1034.  >> OH MY GOSH.  ♪ >> GOES NUMBER 2. YOUR JOB  NEVER STOPPED YOU I DON'T  THINK SHOULD BE LEFT TO  DECOMPOSE.  ♪ ♪ >> AND THAT KIND OF LIKE A  CHAMP THE WAY YOU SHOULD PARK  GET NOW.  >> WE'RE STILL TRYING TO CASH  IN THE WATER. THEY DO YOUR  PART IN BLAST AND WANT BECAUSE  ONLY ANYTHING  ♪ ♪ ALSO LIKE THIS CAN BE A  PROBLEM FOR WILL IT.  ♪ >> WORD TO RECOVER.  ♪ >> PROMISE ALWAYS MANAGES TO  THE NORTH PORT. HERE TODAY,  WITH MARY OF ANY PLAYER  SCHEDULE FOR THE CITY OF NORTH  PORT SOLID WASTE DIVISION  WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT  PICKUPS TODAY. I HAD A  SCHEDULED VOTE PICKUPS WHAT  SHOULD GO OUT AND WHAT SHOULD  NOT GO OUT TO THE CURRENT  WHERE TO PLACE THE ITEM TO  THEM WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU HAVE  MORE THAN WHAT A LOT OF CHIEF  OF THE YEAR PICK UP. SO I KNOW  WE CALL 9, 4, 1, 2, 4, 0, 8,  0, 50 TALK TO OUR CUSTOMER  SERVICE REPS THAT'S CORRECT  HAD A SCHEDULED VOTE PICK UP  HOW ELSE CAN WE DO THAT CAN  ALSO GO ON A WEBSITE NORTH  PORT FL DOT GOV CLICK ON SOLID  WASTE AND FILL OUT A BULK  REQUEST FOR EXCELLENT  EXCELLENT SCENARIO WHEN IN  DOUBT. IF A PERSON WANTS TO  PLACE IT OUT WHAT THEY PLACE  OUT. WHAT'S RIGHT THING WAS  THE WRONG THING BASICALLY  FRANK ANYTHING THAT DOESN'T  FIT IN THE CONTAINER THAT'S  GARBAGE IS GOING TO GO  CURBSIDE GOING TO STAY OFF  DRIVEWAYS WHAT'S NOT ACCEPT  THAT IS TIRES CHEMICALS.  >> STUFF LIKE THAT YOU CAN PUT  YARD WASTE OUT THAT'S  CONSIDERED BALK BUT JUST MAKE  SURE IT'S SEPARATE FROM  GARBAGE PILE CONWAY SAYS A  SEPARATE PICKUP, SO WHAT  HAPPENS IF I USE ALL MY UP  BOTH THE COUNTRY COULD  QUESTION. SO YOU CAN HAVE MORE  BUT HAVE TO PAY IT CAN BE 1650  CUBIC YARD AND THAT'S LINKED  TIMES WITH TIME TIGHT DIVIDED  BY 27 IS ONE COULD BE COUNTED  ANY QUESTIONS OF COURSE LET'S  NOT GIVE US A CALL  941-240-8050.  >> I'M STACEY LOVES OF  EMERGENCY MANAGER FOR CITY  WORK AND I'M GOING DISCUSS  FIRST RESPONDERS AFTER STORM,  SO IT MAY TAKE A WHILE FOR  RESPONDERS TO GET THE STORM  AND DUE TO A VARIETY OF  REASONS. ONE ALL FIRST  RESPONDERS OFF THE ROADS, THE  TROPICAL STORM FORCE WINDS ARE  FOR THEIR SAFETY THAT IS A  STANDARD USUALLY COSTS AND  OTHER STATE SO WE WILL HAVE A  BACKLOG OF CALLS THAT HAVE  COME IN DURING THE STORM THAT  WILL PRIORITIZE BASED ARE  GOING TO ANOTHER RESPONDING TO  AS WELL AS THE CALLS THAT ARE  CURRENTLY COMMUNICATOR. ALSO  ON THE ROADS MIGHT BE FLOODED.  THERE MIGHT BE DEBRIS IN THE  ROADS ARE TECHNICAL FIRST IN  TEAMS WILL BE GOING OUT RIGHT  AWAY TO CLEAR THE ROADS ANY  HOUSERS A SKILL  ♪ THAT OUR VEHICLES CAN GET  THROUGH AND RESPOND THE CAUSE.  JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN  YOU CALL AFTER DISASTER FOR  CITIZENS, WE ARE COMING. WE  ARE VERY IMPORTANT AS WE CARE  ABOUT OUR RESIDENT AND THAT  SAFETY, BUT IT MAY  ♪ JUST TAKE A WHILE FOR US TO  GET TO THE ON THE THAT  CORRECT.  >> I'M STACEY LOS YOU KNOW ON  THE EMERGENCY AND WHAT IT IS  THEY ARE GOING SEE STORM  FLOODING OVER NEXT OR SO STORM  SURGE IS STRONG SUSTAINED WHEN  ARE CONSTANTLY GOING OVER A  LONG PERIOD OF TIME OVER THE  GOAL IS PUSHING WATER UP ONTO  WILL NOT HAPPEN. THERE'S A LOT  OF FLOODING A LOT OF BEACH  EROSION ALONG TEACHER AND THE  HOME. HOWEVER THIS STORM CAN  ALSO PUSH WATER OF THE RIVER  PUSHED ON THE MYAKKA RIVER FOR  INSTANCE, AGO AND THEN THE  WATER COMING DOWNSTREAM FROM  THE RIVER HAS ORDERED TO DO.  BECAUSE WATER TO BACK FLOODING  THAT ALONG WITH A LOT OF RAIN  THAT COMES FROM ALSO CAUSED  INCREASE OF WATER FLOODING  INTO THE RIVER  ♪ AND INTO OUR WATER MANAGEMENT  CAUSING FLOODING AS WELL.  PUBLIC WORKS IS A LOT OF WORK  BEFORE THE STORM TO MAKE SURE  THAT OUR WATER LEVELS POSSIBLE  FOR AND THEY WANT JUST STORM  SURGE AND FLOODING IN OUR  WATER SYSTEMS IF YOU WANT  ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THAT  EVERGREEN VIDEO BUT A LOT  FOLKS  ♪ >> HELLO EVERYONE, MY NAME IS  THE VAN PULL US ON THE  AQUATICS MANAGER WITHIN OUR  PARKS RECREATION DEPARTMENT  WERE HERE TODAY AT THE NORTH  PORT AQUATIC CENTER JUST TO  TALK TO EVERYONE ABOUT OUR  FLOW FOR LIFE PROGRAM WE  RECOGNIZE THAT NATIONALLY  UNINTENTIONAL DROWNING IS THE  LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH FOR  CHILDREN THAT ARE UNDER THE  AGE OF 4. SO WE HAVE AN  AWESOME PROGRAM HERE CALLED  FLOAT FOR LIFE. BLOW FOR LIFE  IS A PROGRAM THAT WE TEACH  THAT STARTS WITH THE  FUNDAMENTALS FLOATING BEFORE  WE ACTUALLY LEARN OKAY, IT 35  PART OF TO DO REALLY THE NEXT  ITEM RIGHT.  >> 21 DASH 0, 3, 4, 1,  DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION  REGARDING POTENTIAL REFERENDUM  LANGUAGE TO A MAN. SECTION 0,  2, B OF THE CHARTER OF THE  CITY OF NORTH PORT ADELAIDE TO  THE CITY'S AUTHORITY TO ISSUE  GENERAL OBLIGATION AND REVENUE  SOUTH CITY MANAGER TAKE THIS  IS A CONTINUING CONVERSATION  WE DO HAVE A PRESENTATION THAT  WALK YOU  >> TO TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT  OF THE HISTORY OF PEOPLE ARE  AFRAID TO LOOK WEST WHAT HAS  BEEN DONE TO THE CITY POINTS  THAT OVERLAPPING TIED DIRECTLY  BACK TO THE CONVERSATION YOU  JUST HAD. YOU KNOW THE POLICE  HEADQUARTERS. WE BEGIN WITH  THE SLY.  >> AND SHOW SCREEN YOU.  >> JUST FOR A LITTLE BIT  HISTORY IT WAS OVER A 23 TO  THE COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING  DIRECTED STAFF, START THE  PROCESS OF DISCUSSION  REGARDING A REFERENDUM THAT  WOULD GO OUT THE NEXT ELECTION  CYCLE TO CHANGE THE CHARTER TO  ALLOW THE CITY TO ISSUE  GENERAL OBLIGATION OWNS IN THE  TEACHER. IN DECEMBER OF UNDER  THE CONDITION. WORKSHOP THE  COMMISSION. IN THE PUBLIC  ASSISTANCE, THERE WAS A  CONSENSUS TO DIRECT CITY  ATTORNEY CITY MANAGER TO  COMBAT THE PROPOSED CHARTER  AMENDMENT LANGUAGE BASED ON  OPTION ONE FOR CONSIDERATION  WITH SO CAN'T CAP LIMITS FOR  REVIEW. YOU KNOW THE SUMMER 20  BETWEEN 23 CHARTER REVIEW  ADVISORY BOARD. REVIEW THE  PROPOSAL TO THE MINUTES AND  FOLLOWING ACTION WAS TAKEN  THEY RECOMMENDED THAT THEY GET  APPROVED LANGUAGE THAT WE READ  UP EXCEPT THEY WANTED A DEBT  LIMIT OF 25 MILLION DOLLARS  WITH AN ANNUAL INCREASE BASED  ON THE CONSUMER PRICE INDEX.  AND CITI AGREED WITH WOULD  WANT TO BUT AMENDED THAT WE'VE  GOT THE 28 MILLION DOLLARS PER  PROJECT AND THAT WAS  ESSENTIALLY FOLLOWING MODEL OF  THE.  >> ALSO.  >> ALSO THE CHARTER SHOULD BE  FURTHER MEAN IT TOO. STICK IT  ISSUED A PRIOR OCTOBER ONE FOR  THE 28 MILLION DOLLARS. THAT'S  WHAT PUBLIC SAFETY. GET IT  TIME PERIOD BUT IT DISASTER  RECOVERY WOULD NOT HAVE A  LIMIT OUR PROPOSAL. CITY STAFF  IN COORDINATION WITH THE  CONSULTANT STAKEHOLDERS WILL  CONDUCT EDUCATIONAL AS IT  OCCASIONAL CAMPAIGN GOING  FOLLOWING REFERENDUM ITEMS  CHANGE IN THE REFERENDUM ABOUT  PRODUCTS. THERE BALLOT  QUESTIONS. SO HAVE A GOOD  REASON FOR YOUR REVIEW AND WE  WOULD PUT THE FINAL VERSION OF  WHAT HAVE YOU IN JUNE OF 2024,  AUTHORIZING HIM TO BE PLACED  ON THE BALLOT FOR NOVEMBER,  THE 5TH. I'M JUST A REMINDER  THAT THEIR OBLIGATION BOND IN  A JOB ON IS MUNICIPAL BOND  BACK SOLELY ABOUT CREDIT AND  TAXING POWER OF THE STRANGERS  DICTION THIS IS THE MAIN WAY  THAT A LARGE NUMBER OF  PROJECTS AND LARGE PROJECTS  ARE FUNDED THROUGH GOVERNMENT.  WE CURRENTLY DO NOT HAVE ANY  DEBT AT THIS TIME. BELOW IS A  CHART OF THE SHOW THE DEBT  THAT WE DO HAVE WHICH INCLUDES  TRANSPORTATION IMPROVING HAS  BEEN IN REVENUE BONDS. HERE'S  A BREAKDOWN OF THE ANNUAL  IMPACTING COST OF THESE. I  THINK THAT WE HAVE AND YOU  WILL SEE THAT IS GOING TO  REALLY LOW COMPARED TO OTHER  MUNICIPALITIES EFFECTS THAT A  LOBBYING FIRM WITH THAT HAS  OCCURRED IN THE CITY OVER THE  YEARS HAVE BEEN DOES SO  WITHOUT INCURRING LARGE SOME  OF THAT DEBT AND THE CITY HAS  SHOWN IS JUST RESPONSIBILITY  BY DOING AS MUCH AS THEY CAN  WITHOUT ENDING WE GET TO OUR  CITIZENS. YOU KNOW THAT COME  UP IN CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE  HAD AS WE'VE EXPLORED THIS  TOPIC WANT TO SOME TICKETS TO  PARTICIPATION. THE SEA-BREEZE  A TYPE OF FINANCE FOR THIS TO  PURCHASE A LARGE SHARE OF THE  LEASE REVENUES OF A PROGRAM  RATHER THAN THE BOND BEING  SECURED BY REVENUES. CAPITAL  LEASE IT WAS ACTUALLY  MENTIONED EARLIER AS WELL IS  ONE OF GREENWICH IT WAS THE  RIGHT TO USE THE CAPITAL ASSET  FOR A SPECIFIC PERIOD OF TIME  WITHOUT OBTAINING FULL  OWNERSHIP. IT COULD CHANGE FOR  PIERRE AT YOU'VE GOT PAYMENTS  REGARDLESS OF THE TAX STATUS  OF THE TRANSACTION. AND THIS  TIME YOU BELIEVE A SURTAX  ISN'T AVAILABLE SOURCE TO PAY  FOR THESE 2 IF WE WERE TO GO  IN THE SPROUTS AND TO BE  PERFECTLY CLEAR TRANSPARENT.  THESE 2 ITEMS THAT THEY ARE  DECIDED TO EXPLORE WE WOULD  NEED TO ENSURE THAT LEGAL  COUNSEL IN PROBABLY WITH  OUTSIDE LEGAL COUNSEL AGREES  WITH THAT I HAVE I MYSELF HAVE  TALKED TO INDIVIDUALS SAID  THEY BELIEVE THIS IS. PATH WAY  IN FLORIDA BUT BASED ON OUR  CHARTER EVEN EVEN AFTER REVIEW  OF THE CHARTER. THE CITIES  THAT ARE GOING ATTORNEY IN  TEAM THE WEST GOING FORWARD IN  THAT DIRECTION. GREAT TIME FOR  THE CITY OF NORTH PORT TO BE  IN A POSITION TO BORROW WHEN  THE ARMY AND INCOME AS A  PERCENT OF THE U.S. MEDIAN  HOUSEHOLD INCOME HAS RISEN  EACH YEAR SINCE 2017.  COMPARATIVELY THIS MEASURE  OTHER. RATED CITIES AND  COUNTIES IS ON THE DECLINE.  OUR ESTIMATED 4 VALUE OF  PROPERTIES A 115,000 HIGHER  THAN OTHER COMPARABLE AS WELL  AND DUE TO A LOW AMOUNT THAT  IS NO SURPRISE THAT OUR  LONG-TERM RATIO OF 145% IS  LOWER THAN COMPARABLE OF 244%.  SO WE'RE GOING TO BORROW BASED  ON THE TIME THAT WE HAVE IN  THIS ECONOMY TO BORROW WE ARE  IN POSITION TO DO THAT AT THIS  POINT. WHAT YOU SEE HERE THE  MINISTRY FOR THE CITY GOING  BACK TO THE YEAR 2000 TO  CURRENT YEARS. WHAT YOU'LL SEE  IN NOTICE ARE THE SPIKES AND  DIPS IN THE PEAKS AND THE  VALLEYS OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE.  THE BEST THING GOING TO SEE  AND HEAR THE FOUR-YEAR PERIOD,  ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT  IT. FISCAL YEAR WERE THERE  WITH INCREASE OF 2% 0%. THERE  HAVE 32% DECREASE, 9% 0%.  INCREASE THAT A TIME WHERE WE  ACTUALLY WILL BACK OUR MILLAGE  RATE. NOW YOU ALSO SEE SORT  ROLLING IT BACK INTO AMOUNT OF  0 BUT THEN YOU SEE 9.12 11%  INCREASE WHAT WE WOULD LOVE TO  DO IS TO BE ABLE HAVING WAS  STRUCTURED OUT OF AN INCREASE  IN SOME OF THOSE INCREASES MAY  HAVE BEEN TIED BACK TO PUBLIC  NEEDS IN SPECIFIC PUBLIC  PROJECTS. IF YOU DECIDE TO  RAISE THE MILEAGE RATING  ALLOWED TO PAY FOR THIS POLICE  STATION THAT WOULD BE TIED TO  A SPECIFIC PROJECT. IN OUR  OPINION AS WE TALKED ABOUT  EARLIER AS EVERYTHING  CONTINUES TO INCREASE IN  EXPENSES. OUR REVENUE IS NOT  KEEPING UP WITH THAT WHICH  ALLOWS US TO BE AND PUTS US IN  A POSITION WHERE WE HAVE TO  BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S  POTENTIALLY FOR OPERATING  COSTS WHICH YOU HAVE ONE OF  THE OPERATING SIDE OF THINGS  DURING A PUBLIC PROCESS. YOU  LOOK AT THIS CHART YOU SEE THE  SAMPLE MILLAGE RATE IMPACT AND  YOU'LL NOTICE THAT IT CONTAINS  SOME OF THE NUMBERS THAT  YOU'RE SEEING DISCUSSED.  EARLIER BUT OUR MOUNTAIN THE  28 MILLION DIRECTLY TIE BACK  TO THE POTENTIAL QUESTION OF  ALLOWING US TO BOND 28 MILLION  DOLLARS. HER PROJECT AND WHEN  YOU SEE THAT YOU SEE THAT IT  WOULD BE A POINT TO 0, 5, 0,  INCREASE TO THE MOST RATE OR  IN THE COLUMN, IT WILL BE A 5%  INCREASE TOO. I WAS RIGHT.  ALSO GO TO THE 100 MILLION  DOLLARS IN THIS PARTICULAR  SLIDE BECAUSE AS THE  CONSULTANT RECOMMENDED THAT IS  THE FLOOR OF WHAT WE'RE I'M  RECOMMENDING IN FRONT OF YOU  TODAY AND THAT WOULD BE A 0.7  3, 2, 0, MILITARY INCREASED OR  IF YOU LOOK RIGHT BELOW IS A  19 43% INCREASE, WHICH IN THE  COST OF THE HOMEOWNER CALLED  THOUGH YOU SEE THAT WOULD BE  A. 46. A FACE TO A WHOLE AT  ASSESSED VALUE OF $200,000. IS  NOT THE AVERAGE PRICE OF THE  HOME IN NORTH PORT, BUT IT IS  A NUMBER THAT WE WERE ABLE TO  FIND THE BIGGEST FORCE AND YOU  COULD IT TO EASY ALL THE MATH  AS IT RELATES TO HOW IT WHAT  YOU MAY CHOOSE TO. IMPROVE.  AND I'M SURE WE'LL COME BACK  TO CHART AS YOU TALK ABOUT  SOME OF YOUR. QUESTIONS AS IT  RELATES TO SOME OF THE NOSE  POSSIBILITIES AS WELL. IN  CHARM THAT IT IMPORTANT AS THE  BLUE LINE SHOWS OUR INCREASING  POPULATION AS IT CONTINUES TO  GO UP. YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE  OUT YEARS OF 2029 THE LINE  SORT OF CONVERGE TOGETHER IT  WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A GAP  IN BETWEEN REVENUES AND  EXPENSES. IF WE DON'T ACT NOW  OUR EXPENSES WILL EXCEED OUR  REVENUES AND THEN I WOULD  POINT YOU BACK TO THE BOTTOM  OF THIS LINE OF 2000 8 2009  WHERE WE KNEW WE ALL REMEMBER  WHAT THE ECONOMY LIKE AND WHAT  GOVERNMENT WENT THROUGH INDY  BUT THERE WAS A SACRIFICING OF  SERVICES WHETHER IT WAS  FURLOUGHING OR LAYING OFF OR  NOT HIRING EMPLOYEES. IT WAS  NOT A GOOD TIME GOVERNMENT IN  A LOT OF THAT CAN BE  ATTRIBUTED TO THE NATIONAL.  STATE IN COMMON THAT TIME.  WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU IS THAT  WE NOT INCREASE ACTUAL FOR  REVENUE WE MAY SITUATION ON  REGARDLESS OF WHAT IS GOING ON  AROUND US. IT IS GREAT AND HAS  BEEN GREAT FOR US TO KEEP THE  MILLAGE RATE STABLE OR OUR  CITIZENS FOR SOLO. BUT THE  GROWTH OF THIS CITY AND OUR  NEEDS AND EXPENSES HAVE CAUGHT  UP WITH US AND WE MUST ACT SO  THAT YOU NOT PUT OURSELVES IN  A WORSE SITUATION LATER THAT  WOULD ACTUALLY REQUIRE HIGHER  MILEAGE RATE INCREASES AT THAT  TIME. TO MOVE THE BALL SIRTEX  REARRANGEMENT, THIS IS  POTENTIALLY A SECOND QUESTION  THAT WOULD GO ON THE NOVEMBER  BALLOT IN IT WOULD BE IF THE  COMMISSION SO CHOOSES DO WE  MAKE THE MILLION DOLLARS A  SURTAX AVAILABLE AND HAVE  ALLOW US TO IT SIMILAR TO WHAT  WE DID WITH PRICE BOULEVARD IN  NOVEMBER OF 2022. THEY'RE IN  THAT REFERENDUM QUESTION THE  CITIZENS ACTUALLY GAVE A POOL  REST OF POOR WITH THE BOMBING  OF CERTAIN TAX DOLLARS FOR THE  WIDENING OF PRICE BOULEVARD.  THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING VERY  SIMILAR TO ALLOW THE  50 MILLION DOLLARS THAT IS  AVAILABLE THAT WE HAVE BOW IF  COMMISSION FINED MAURER  DIRECTS US TO MORE THAN THAT  WOULD BE A PART OF THE  CONVERSATION AS WELL WHEN YOU  LOOK AT IT DOLLARS THAT ARE  AVAILABLE TO US WHERE THESE  PARTICULAR PROJECTS SURTAX IS  A DEVELOP WILL OPTION FOR YOU  TO CHOOSE FROM. IF WE GO ON  THE 2024 GENERAL ELECTION AND  WE ARE A SUCCESSFUL. IT MAY BE  ATTRIBUTED TO THE HUMANS THAT  WE DOING ADVERTISING AND BOARD  MAY SAY CREATE A SPECIAL  ELECTION TO DO MORE  ADVERTISING TO BE IN A BETTER  POSITION FOR IT TO PASS. MY  POINT SAYING THAT IS I HOPE  THAT WE ALL AGREE THAT.  BECAUSE OF THE PATHWAY THAT WE  CHOOSE REGARDLESS O THE AMOUNT  OF THE FACILITY THAT WE DESIRE  TO BE BUILT. WE MUST KEEP  MOVING IT. WE MUST DO  SOMETHING WE DO NOTHING AND I  THINK THAT IS GOING TO GO IN  PERSON OR A TOLL. A LATER  POINT IN TIME. SO THE QUESTION  IS HAVE BEEN RECENTLY AS  PROVED NOT TO BE WHEN YOU LOOK  AT THE SITUATION WITH THE CITY  OF BETWEEN OUR COMMERCIAL  INTEREST DEVELOPMENT. YOU KNOW  THE OF THAT'S THE THAT HELPS  YOU BUY MORE IN TAXES PER  ACRE. IT PAYS MORE TAXES THAN  THEY RECEIVE IN IS A JUST WE  TALKED TO THE CITY. THE CITY  HAS HISTORY IN THE HISTORY OF  BEING PEE PAD IT A LOW DENSITY  RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY HAS NOT  HELPED US AS WE HAVE TRIED TO  MAKE SURE THE GROWTH PACE OF  GROWTH. THE CANNOT WITHHOLD  THAT HOME CONSTRUCTION PERMITS  IF THEY COMPLY WITH THE COMP  PLAN BECAUSE WE DO QUESTIONS  BY OFF AND WHY WE STILL  BUILDING RESIDENTIAL. AND WHEN  YOU LOOK AT IT AND YOU THINK  ABOUT IT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE  THAT WE ALWAYS ARE IN  COMPLIANCE WITH LAW BUT DOING  SO IS LOW DENSITIES SPRAWL HAS  HURT. FISCAL BALANCE IN A  NEGATIVE WAY. AND THAT'S JUST.  SOMETHING THAT WE CAN'T GO  BACK AND CHANGE WE'RE TRYING  TO LOOK FORWARD AND TRYING TO  MAKE SURE AND AS WE DO SO WHEN  WE TALK ABOUT IT WE HAVE  TALKED ABOUT IT THAT THE.  COUGH THAT WE ARE TRYING FOR  CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW ARE NOT  PAYING FOR THEMSELVES WHO ARE  80'S. R R IN THE TO FUND THE  PROJECT NEEDED TO KEEP PACE  WITH DEVELOPMENT HAS CAUGHT UP  WITH US AT THIS TIME. AND YOU  AS A BOARD IN THE BODY HAVE  GONE TO A LOT OF THAT HISTORY  ON THIS SLIDE WHEN WE TALK  ABOUT OUR LOW IMPACT, THE  PERCENTAGES. SO THAT WAS WEIRD  2011. BUT IF WE IF YOU JUMP TO  2022. AT THE BOTTOM YOU WILL  SEE THAT YOU HAVE NOW ACTUALLY  JUST RAISE YOUR HE'S IN THE  LAST TO BE 100% OF BUT I  BELIEVE TO BE AN DON'T OVER.  AND SO AT SOME POINT IN THE  NEAR FUTURE YOU WOULD HAVE TO  HAVE A CONVERSATION TO SAY OR  DO WE WANT A 100% OF THE  CURRENT NUMBER. AND WHEN YOU  LOOK AT ALL THESE THINGS IN  TOTALITY WHETHER IT'S THE  MILLAGE RATE INCREASE WHAT IS  THE IMPACT THE INCREASE. WE  ARE ASKING THOSE PEOPLE WHO  ARE ENJOYING THE BENEFITS OF  THE CITY TO HELP PAY FOR AS WE  MOVE FORWARD, AND THAT'S HOW  PROTECT OURSELVES SO THAT WE  DON'T ACTUALLY GET INTO  POSITION OF BEING BEHIND THE  NEED BUT AHEAD OF THE FISCAL  NEED IN THIS PARTICULAR CITY.  AS WE TALK ABOUT YOU KNOW THE  POLICE HEADQUARTERS IN THE  CONVERSATION IT REALLY BOILS  DOWN TO HOW DO YOU WANT TO  SPEND ON A POLICE  HEADQUARTERS. HOW DO YOU WANT  TO PAY FOR THE SURTAX WE  ARRANGE WHEN IT'S SOMETHING  THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED AS A  STAFF. OUR TEAM NOT ONLY WERE  ABLE TO DO THAT IN CONJUNCTION  WITH THE NEEDS OF OUR PUBLIC  SAFETY LEADERSHIP FOR SEA  WHICH WE MENTIONED EARLIER WE  ALSO HAVE DONE IT FOR  50 MILLION DOLLARS THAT WOULD  ALLOW IS FOR SURTAX TO BE UV  RAYS MAINLY MOVING OUT MY  SPACE TOO FROM THE VERY LAST  YEAR'S OF SURTAX OR INTO THE  VERY BEGINNING OF SURTAX HOT.  THE MILLAGE RATE INCREASE HAS  A CONNECTION DIRECTLY TO OUR  PLEASE I WILL ALSO SAY AGAIN  THAT THE MILLAGE RATE INCREASE  FOR OPERATIONAL NEEDS A  SEPARATE CONVERSATION AND  WELCOME BACK BEFORE YOU LATER  IN THE BUDGET TALKS OR MAYBE A  COMBINATION OF THE I HEARD IT  ALL IN FOR PUBLIC COMMENT  REFERENCED A NOTHER SURTAX  PENNY CHARGE WE DID NOT THINK  OF THAT. WHAT WE PROPOSE THAT  THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT  WOULD WANT TO CONSIDER. WE DID  TALK ABOUT THE POLICE HAD  HEADQUARTERS OR 7 MILLION  DOLLARS IF YOU SO CHOOSE. ALSO  THE BOMBER FROM MANY QUESTIONS  WE DO LIKE THE ORIGINAL  QUESTION IS THE ONE THAT YOU  SEND US BACK FOR THE LANGUAGE  PROPOSED THAT'S INCLUDED IN  THE BACK OF THIS ITEM AND IT'S  THE MOST CURRENT VERSION OF  WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING TO PUT  HIM THROUGH IT OF YOU FOR  CONSIDERATION WHICH WILL BE IN  COURT FOR THE VOTERS. BUT ALSO  THE NEW CERTAIN TAX QUESTION  DO YOU WANT TO QUESTIONS ON  ONE BALLOT. IF YOU CHOOSE THE  USE OF A SURTAX FOR FOR YOU  SURTAX AS FUNDING MECHANISM.  ALL OF THESE CONVERSATIONS  HAVE REALLY GREAT IMPLICATIONS  BUT WE'RE HERE TO ANSWER YOUR  QUESTIONS ON HOW WE PAY IN THE  IMPACTS OF SAID PAYMENT. RIGHT  NOW ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS IN  WILL BRING YOU BACK. IS SOCIAL  ACTION FOR YOU TO GIVE  DIRECTION. THANK YOU MEMBERS.  OKAY AND LOTS THAT INFORMATION  AND I APPRECIATE YOU GOING  BACK INTO THE HISTORY TO WHAT  LED TO THIS POINT.  >> WHEN REMEMBER YESTERDAY AND  YOU GO.  >> COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL SOME  THE WEEK 3 QUESTIONS FOR OUR  TEAM AND THEY WERE ABLE TO  ANSWER QUESTIONS TO HIM 3  NUMBER ONE WITH TAKE A LOOK AT  WHAT TIME SHE HAS FRIENDS AND  THEY SHOULD HELP WITH  DECISION-MAKING GIVEN GIVEN  HER AND ALL COMMISSION AT THE  SAME TIME ALL RIGHT, THANKS.  >> KATE. SO WE'LL START WITH  SOME QUESTIONS HERE. VICE  MAYOR.  >> CITY MANAGER THANKS FOR  THIS PREFACE QUESTIONS UM.  SUBJECT TO CONVERSATION YOU  TOUCHED ON IT REGARDING  WHETHER OR  >> WE WANT TO ENTERTAIN ANY.  >> IMPACT OR OR INCREASE TO  OUR MILLAGE RATE WITH RECORD  TO KEEPING UP. THE QUALITY AND  QUANTITY OF SERVICES WE  PROVIDE OUR CITIZENS. YOU KNOW  ICE I SEE THAT AS A BUDGET  CONSIDERATION AS WE GO INTO  ART BUDGETING PROCESS FOR 25.  IF THIS CONVERSATION IS ABOUT.  POTENTIAL. COURSE OR FUNDING  FOR THE POLICE PROJECT ITSELF.  I SEE 5 OPTIONS. I MEAN  THEY'RE SURTAX THEY'RE  SCRAMBLING E THERE'S IMPACT  FEES THERE'S A MILLAGE RATE  INCREASES AND THERE'S THE  POTENTIAL ABOUT. PENNY SALES  TAX THE PENNY SALES TAX IF  THAT'S LEGALLY ALLOW. SO. SOME  COMBINATION. THOSE I SEE IT AS  THE WAY TO FUND THIS POLICE  PROJECT WE KNOW WE NEED IT. WE  WANT TO DO IT RIGHT. SO  SETTING THAT ASIDE HOW DO WE  PAY FOR THIS AND MY QUESTION  IS. WITHOUT GOING LINE ITEM BY  LINE CAUSE SUCH NOT REALLY  WHAT I WANT TO SEE US AS A  COMMISSION TO DO. I WOULD  LIKE. STAFF TO BE ABLE TO TELL  US THE MAXIMUM NOW SHOULD TAX  REALLOCATION THAT COULD BE DO  I MEAN IF YOU LOOK AT THE 15  YEARS, EVERYBODY WILL HAVE A  DIFFERENT TAKE ON WHAT  PROJECTS ARE SECRET AND WHAT  AREN'T BUT IF WE WERE TO  ACKNOWLEDGING OUR PILLARS AND  OUR PRIORITIES. THERE IS SOME  KNOW FROM 0, 2, MAYBE 70 OR  80 MILLION DOL SURTAX THAT  POTENTIALLY COULD  REPRIORITIZE. SHIFTING AS YOU  MENTIONED SOME OF IT FROM THIS  SURTAX TOO. SHE TEXT 4 OR 5  BUT OVER THE NEXT 20 MINUTES.  THAT'S ONE OPTION GRANT MONEY  CERTAINLY WE'VE ALREADY  STARTED TO LOOK AT AND THERE  MAY BE THE POTENTIAL OF  ANYWHERE FROM 5 TO 20 MILLION.  WE'RE EVEN MORE THAT OVER A  PERIOD YEARS WE CAN GET FROM  STATE AND OR IMPACT FEES I.  HOPING STAFF CAN PRESENT US  WITH. WHAT'S THE AMOUNT OF  IMPACT THE DOLLARS THAT WE  COULD CONTRIBUTE TO THIS  PROJECT. WHETHER OR NOT  LEGALLY WE COULD IMPOSE A  SALES TAX. I MEAN WITHIN THE  CITY I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF  THAT'S POSSIBLE IF IT IS THAT  MIGHT BE A GREAT OPTION TO PAY  FOR THIS IS A CONSUMPTION BUT  IT HELPS MILLAGE RATE  INCREASE. PERSONALLY I THINK  WE CAN DO PROJECT OUT. AND  THEN RATE INCREASE I ALSO  THINK PROJECT PERSONALLY COULD  BE FUNDED WITH AL HAVING TO GO  TO JUST BY LOOKING AT OUR  AVAILABLE RESOURCES. BUT AGAIN  IF YOU KNOW I DON'T HAVE ANY  OF THAT INFORMATION. NONE OF  IT IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO  ASSESS I WOULD HOPE THAT STAFF  COULD PERCENT TO US. A MYRIAD  OF OPTIONS AMONG THESE 1, 2,  4, 5, DIFFERENT, FUNNELING  METHODOLOGIES TO COME UP WITH  WHAT MIGHT BE THE BEST WAY TO  APPROACH THE SITE. I I DON'T  REALLY. NO WHAT KIND OF  DIRECTION. STAFF IS LOOKING  FOR HERE. YOU KNOW I I I JUST  DON'T I. YOU KNOW I I FEEL  LIKE WE'VE GOT WE KNOW WE HAVE  A PROJECT WE HAVE TO FUND.  WE'VE GOT WE'VE GOT TO DO IT  THE RIGHT WAY. I AM VERY  ATTENDANT WHO WANTS TO  SOMETHING IN THE WAY A MILLAGE  RATE AND IN ONLY OTHER OPTIONS  DON'T TOTAL UP ENOUGH MONEY  AND I NEED THOSE PIECES AND  AND I DON'T SEE THAT AT THIS  POINT WE HAVE THEM SO GUESS  THAT WOULD BE AN YOU OTHER  THAN THAT I DON'T HAVE ANY  OTHER REAL QUESTIONS, I'M  UNDERSTAND ALL THE  IMPLICATIONS OF THIS I NEED  INFORMATION OR TO BE ABLE TO  MAKE AN EDUCATED DECISION AS  TO WHAT WHAT'S THE BEST  FORMULA FOR FUNDING THIS  PROJECT. SO FIRMS THAT STAFF  THAT RECOMMEND IN THE  50 MILLION DOLLARS ARE TAX  THAT WAS THE NUMBER THAT  >> WAS THE BEST ISSUE THAT  QUESTION GREAT IT'S WHENEVER  GOING TO BE WOULD WE GET WE'RE  GOING TO GET YOU KNOW WE  BELIEVE THAT THERE WILL BE A  GOOD AMOUNT OF RAIN UP  COMMITTEES TO US TO CONTINUE  TO APPLY TO HELP WITH THAT  NUMBER WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE  WOULD PUT A FINGER ON THAT  NUMBER PRIOR TO THE TIME FRAME  OF YOU NEED TO MAKE A  DECISION. IN FACT THESE WE CAN  GET WITH OUR TEAM THIS EVENT  SO THAT QUESTION IS SOMETHING  THAT WE COULD. PROJECT TO GIVE  YOU A CERTAIN LEVEL OF  CONFIDENCE I WOULD BE VERY  CAREFUL ABOUT THAT POINT IT'S  BEST THAT WE CAN THAT YOUR  OTHER QUESTION WOULD SEE IF IT  CONTINUES IF YOU GET A TAX TO  PAY FOR THAT. YOU KNOW  DIRECTLY THROUGH IMPACT FEES  AND NOT ACTUALLY RAISING THE  MILITARY PUTTING BURDEN ON THE  CITIZENS. IT WILL SEE IF WE  CAN COME BACK TO THAT ITS  URBAN W 3 QUESTIONS. THE FIRST  2 WE HAVE SUPPORT AND THE  OTHER WE WILL TRY TO SWEETEN  THE THAT WAY AND YOU  >> CONCEPT DISCUSSED YOU AND I  HAVE DISCUSSED IT AT ONE POINT  IN TIME IS CAN THE CITY  ACTUALLY IMPOSE A ONE CENT  SALES TAX FOR U.S. SENATE.  >> LEGALLY CAN WE DO IT AND  WHAT WOULD INVOLVED IN DOING  THAT BECAUSE THERE YOU KNOW,  LET'S FACE THINGS LIKE SORT  ACCIDENTS AND SALES AND I  DON'T MEAN TO BE MAKING  SPEECHES HERE BUT BUT. THE  HAVE TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE  AND I CERTAINLY LOVE THE IDEA  OF ALLOWING SOME OF THE  VISITORS AND GUESTS TO OUR  CITY AND PEOPLE WHO CONSUME  PRODUCTS AND SERVICES TO PAY  FOR THAT AS OPPOSED TO PUT THE  MONKEY ON THE BACKS OF  PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN OUR  CITY THAT TO ME WOULD BE THE  LAST RESORT SO YOU KNOW IT IT  LOOKING AND EXPLORING ALL  THESE OTHER AVENUES I THINK  IT'S JUST OF THE UPMOST  IMPORTANCE SO WE CAN  DETERMINE. IF IT DOES COME  DOWN TO LOOKING AT HIM MILLAGE  RATE. YOU KNOW WHAT'S THE REAL  IMPACT HERE AND WE'VE GOT TO  GO OUT TO AND IF WE REALLY DO  NEED TO BORROW MONEY THEN  WHAT'S THE RIGHT NUMBER TO DO  BECAUSE WE DO HAVE CITIZEN WE  GOT THERE, LET'S FACE IT WE  BOTTOMED GOING PAY FOR IT, PAY  FOR IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.  YOU KNOW TO COME FROM  SOMEWHERE AND AND I'M NOT SO  SURE YOU KNOW YOU SAY  50 MILLION IS THERE MORE  THERE. THAT'S OTHER QUESTION  RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO MORE  THERE WITHOUT COMPROMISING  SOME OF THE PRIORITIES WITHIN  OUR COLORS.  >> SO ARTISTS AISD SAYS  50 MILLION DOLLARS THERE THAT  YOU CAN DO THAT WHICH IS WHAT  WE'RE TELLING YOU TODAY.  THERE'S 360 MILLION DOLLARS IN  THAT OVERALL SO VIEW AS THEY  BOARD SAID WE WANT TO DO ALL  100 OUT OF THERE. THAT'S  THAT'S A WAR DECISION OF  CHOICE IS BETWEEN THE  DIFFERENT PROJECTS BUT YOU  WILL IT UP IMPACTING IN  REDUCING SOMETHING ELSE IN A  WAY THAT WE ARE NOT  RECOMMENDING TO YOU TODAY AND  WE WOULD NOT RECOMMENDED MOST  LIKELY THAT YOU GO FURTHER  THAN THAT BASED OUR  RECOMMENDATION TO GET IT.  >> THAT'S MY MISSION NOW.  >> THIS IS GOING TO BE A VERY  HEAVY CONVERSATION.  >> I'M NOT I'M I'M SORRY BUT  I'M NOT FOLLOWING.  >> ON THE WATER OR FIND  THEMSELVES IN A RAIN JING OF  CERTAIN THERE'S 50 MILLION  DOLLARS THAT IS PLANNED.  >> FOR PRICE BOULEVARD FOR  NEXT 5 YEARS STARTING IN  FISCAL YEAR 25 GOING TO FISCAL  YEAR 20 NOT.  >> IS IT SUGGESTING IS IT  BEING SUGGESTED WE TAKE THAT  50 MILLION THAT THE VOTERS  APPROVED FOR PRICE BOULEVARD.  DO THAT IT DIDN'T HURT  >> HAS NOTHING TO DO A  BASEBALL OR FOR PRICE  BOULEVARD SPENDING WILL BE ON  IT THIS IS SAYING TO YOU THAT  PROJECTS ARE NEXT IN THE  QUEUE. WHAT SURTAX WHAT WE  SPEND ON WOULD BE REARRANGED  SO THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO  ALLOW FOR THE PAYMENT TAPE ON  IT THAT FOR THE POLICE  STATION. OK  >> THANK YOU FOR THAT BECAUSE  I HEARD PRICE BOULEVARD  15 MILLION. SO I JUST NEEDED  THAT PLAYER. SO PRICE  BOULEVARD WHAT THE VOTERS  APPROVED IS STILL MOVING  FORWARD AS ITS. AS OKAY. SO  NEXT.  >> 50 MILLION IS THAT WHAT IS.  THIS SUGGESTED TO BE  REALLOCATED FROM THE LIST OF  PROJECTS FOR THE NEXT YOU KNOW  5 YEARS FROM. 2032 2034.  >> WITHOUT ARE.  >> SIRTEX EXPERTS WILL TIME IT  WAS HERE TODAY. WHAT SHE'S  SAYING IS THAT AFTER THAT MAY  BE A PART OF 2 I DON'T SAY  THAT THAT 50 WOULD DEFINITELY  GO THERE BUT THE WAY THAT WE  HAVE PRESENTED IT. IT WILL  DEFINITELY BE NEXT IN LINE FOR  THE BIGGEST THE LARGEST PIECE  OF THAT FUNDING THAT WE  RECEIVED A SURTAX.  >> FOR THE POLICE HAD SO IN  THE BACKUP MATERIAL IN THING  IT SAID SOMETHING ABOUT SURTAX  SPOT. WHAT IS THAT.  >> 5 NEXT ROUND SURTAX THAT  WITH THE PATS IF VOTERS  APPROVED IT WOULD NEXT BOAT  OCCURS WHAT DOES THAT HAVE TO  DO WITH PD.  >> THE.  >> PRICE WANTING PHASE 2 WHICH  WAS THE LARGEST CHOP THAT WAS  LEFT IN THE KURDS ARE ATTACKED  WAS IN END OF THIS SURTAX WE  ARE RECOMMENDING THAT YOU MOVE  THAT BEGINNING OF THE NEXT  SURTAX.  >> NOW I UNDERSTAND THE  CORRELATION BETWEEN SURTAX  FOR. PRICE BOULEVARD AND  SURTAX THANK YOU FOR PAINTING  THAT A LITTLE BIT SO. BUT IF  THE VOTERS APPROVE THIS  PROJECT LIST WHEN THEY  APPROVED SURTAX.  >> THIS AGAIN IS THE OTHER  QUESTION TO REPRIORITIZE.  >> AND MOVE IT OUT. YOU SAID  THERE'S ANOTHER REFERENDUM.  SIRTEX WHAT WHAT'S THAT.  >> TURN YOUR QUESTIONS IF DID  IT ONE  >> SO WE HAVE VOTER  REFERENDUM. POTENTIALLY FOR  THE PD. THEN THERE'S A VOTER  REFERENDUM FOR THE CHARTER  AMENDMENT. I THOUGHT I HEARD  YOU SAY THERE'S A POTENTIAL  FOR ANOTHER VOTER REFERENDUM  FOR SURTAX THAT WOULD BE IN  THE FUTURE WHEN THE CURRENT  TAX EXPIRE, OK, SO SURTAX 5.  THANK YOU. I HONESTLY WOULD  LIKE TO.  >> GOOD MORNING COMMISSIONERS  SOME HEIGHTENED HOLLA SOME  SENIOR BUDGET ANALYST AND  FINANCE. THERE WOULD BE  BONDING REQUIRED FOR THE  SURTAX PORTION PT ORDER TO GET  THE MONEY UP FRONT RIGHT SO  CERTAIN TAXES COLLECTED  ANNUALLY. I THINK THE MOST  RECENT WAS 60 MILLION PER  YEAR. SO WE WOULD HAVE THAT  MONEY UP FRONT. SO YES THERE  WOULD BE A POTENTIAL FUNDING  ISSUE AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE  TO BE A BONDING OF THE SURTAX  FORTUNE IN ORDER TO GET THE  MONEY UP FRONT TO MOVE FORWARD  IN TIMELY  >> IF THAT MAKES SENSE UNDER  OUR CURRENT CHARTER AGAIN  BECAUSE OR IT WOULD BE A  REVENUE BOND FOR THAT WE HAVE  TO GO. 2 REFERENDUM FOR AL  >> SO THAT REFERENDUM THAT YOU  JUST TALKED ABOUT FOR SURE  TAXES THAT USING SURTAX FOR A  SURTAX 5 WHICH SURTAX FOR CAT.  >> ON MONDAY THAT WE DON'T  HAVE SO THEN WHAT HAPPENED AS  WE'RE SAYING. CRE GOING TO BE  BONDING SURTAX A SWAT RIGHT  AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON  WHY THIS MONEY HAS OPENED UP.  BECAUSE INITIALLY WE PAY AS  YOU GO.  >> FIRST 5 TO 10 YEARS WOULD  BE A TOTAL FOCUS ON PRICE  BOULEVARD WE PUT MONEY AWAY  AND THEN AS WE WERE GOING  THROUGH THE PROCESS WE WENT  AHEAD AND WENT TO THE VOTERS  AND SAID CAN WE DEBT FINANCE  THIS INSTEAD WHICH OPENS UP  ADDITIONAL FUNDING IN THE  EARLIER YEARS BECAUSE NOW  WE'RE JUST MAKING DEBT  PAYMENTS OVER THE 15 YEARS FOR  PRICE, SO IT KIND OF SPREAD  THAT PASS OUT SO THEN THAT  OPENS UP OTHER OPTIONS. SO  THAT MAKES THIS A POTENTIAL,  BUT THEN YOU'RE TAKING OFF  COLLECTIONS THAT WERE PLANNING  AT THE END FOR A FACE TO AND  SAY WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT TO  START THAT UNTIL. A SURTAX 5  IF THE VOTERS APPROVE UP YOU  KNOW WHEN THIS ONE EXPIRES.  >> AND IT WOULD ALSO REMOVE  ALL THE PROJECTS THAT WERE  LISTED FOR SURTAX FOR YEARS  PROJECTS IN THE FUTURE. TO BE  ABLE TO BE DONE SO BASICALLY  WHAT WE'RE DOING TAKING. MONEY  FROM SURTAX FOR PRICE  BOULEVARD PHASE. ONE. IS  ALREADY BEEN ALLOCATED. IT'S  ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THE  VOTERS.  >> AND THEN.  >> POTENTIALLY ADDING A  REFERENDUM FOR THE POLICE  STATION TO REALLOCATE THAT  PROJECT LIST. THE REFERENDUM  WOULD BE THE BOND TO DO A  REVENUE WANT.  >> WE DON'T HAVE TO ASK THE  TAXPAYER TO REDO THE LESS  THAT'S NOT WE'RE NOT HOW TO  THE LIST THAT WHAT PROPOSED  WHEN SURTAX WAS ADOPTED. SO WE  SHOP ALL THE TIME YOU SEE 3  AGENDA ITEMS SO IT'S NOT  NECESSARILY A REQUIREMENT THAT  WE KEEP.  >> DO WE SHOW THE SURTAX LIST.  THERE ARE CERTAIN PREVENT  REMEMBER THAT IT WAS QUITE  FORTUNATE TO BE ON THE LIST SO  IT'S STILL WITHIN THE BODY THE  RULES OF LAOS CRACKED.  >> I BEFORE MOVE FURTHER ON  THAT WANT TO THANK CITY  MANAGER FOR PROVIDING THE  AMOUNT OF MONEY COLLECTED  FIRST SURTAX IN THE PAST 5  YEARS AND DESCRIBING WHAT'S OR  TEXT 3 FOR 5 WORK. THE ONLY  THINGS THAT I THINK WOULD  STILL BE VERY IMPORTANT IS  THOSE FUND BALANCE RECORDS FOR  IMPACT FEET BECAUSE LAW  ENFORCEMENT IMPACT FEES.  >> ARE TO PAY FOR LAW  ENFORCEMENT NEEDS WHICH IS  LIKE THE AMOUNT OF IMPACT. AND  THEN THERE'S GENERAL  GOVERNMENT IMPACT FEET. MY  NEXT QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH  NOT KNOWING HOW MUCH IS IN  THOSE FUND BALANCES THAT WILL  COMING FORWARD. CAN YOU GIVE  ME SOME IDEAS OF WHAT GENERAL  FUND. GENERAL GOVERNMENTS  IMPACT FEES, FUNDS, WHAT IS IT  USED FOR.  >> CANNOT OFF THE TOP OF MY  YOU COULD BE A FEW MINUTES  LIKE AND I DIG IN AND TAKE A  LOOK.  >> YEAH BECAUSE THAT IS LIKE  THE NEXT.  >> ARE OUT. AND IF WE CAN USE  IMPACT FEES OR THE GENERAL  GOVERNMENT IMPACT FEES FOR  THIS THAT MIGHT BE AN OPTION.  VICE MAYOR STOKES HAD SOME  IDEAS SOME VERY VALID IDEAS ON  HOW TO PAY FOR THIS THAT COULD  BE CONSIDERED.  >> I'M ONE OF THEM IS. THE  IMPACT FEES AND GOING BACK AND  RE DOING HOW MUCH OR A LAW  ENFORCEMENT IMPACT FEES.  >> GROWTH IS SUPPOSED TO PAY  FOR GROWTH. AND THE IMPACT  THESE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE  COVERING ALL OF THESE AND  DIDN'T HELP ALL THOSE YEARS  THAT WE DIDN'T COLLECT THE THE  CORRECT AMOUNTS.  >> NOW  >> MAKING UP FOR THAT AND  HAVING THOSE CONSEQUENCES. AT  THE SAME TIME WE CAN MOVE  FORWARD AND I KNOW THERE'S A  WHOLE STATE STATUTE PROCESS IN  IN RE LOOKING AT IMPACT FEES.  BUT I THINK IT IS PART OF THAT  FUTURE BECAUSE. THE POLICE  STATION BACK WHEN WE DID  IMPACT THESE WAS TO REMODEL.  WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A DOLLAR  AMOUNT TO SO REBUILDING AND  MAKING A WHOLE NEW BUILDING IT  MIGHT CHANGE THINGS. I. I  AGREE THAT WE MAY NEED TO DO  MILLAGE RATE BUT TO THE  MAYOR'S POINT HOW DOES THAT  GET HOW DOES THAT LOOK TO THE  TAXPAYER. THE MILLAGE RATE WE  PAY NOW AND THEN WHAT DOES  THAT MILLAGE RATE GOING TO BE  FOR PD IS IT 2 SEPARATE LINE  ITEMS ON THE TAX BILL DON'T  KNOW AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S  CONVERSATION WE'RE GOING TO  HAVE TO HAVE BECAUSE THE LAST  THING I WANT TO USE IT TO BE  KIND OF COMBINED. SO THAT WHEN  PEOPLE GET THEIR NEXT TAX BILL  THEY'RE GOING OH MY GOSH MY  MILLET RATE WENT UP.  >> TO 5.5 WHATEVER THE AMOUNT  ♪ ♪ >> AND THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT  TO HAVE HAPPEN.  >> IN THIS MATERIALS, SHOWING  A FLUCTUATING MILLAGE RATE  BASED ON PROPERTY VALUES.  MAYBE WHAT WE CAN DO IS JUST  MILLAGE RATE ALL ACROSS THE  BOARD AND DON'T KNOW HOW THAT  WOULD LOOK HOW HOW THAT WOULD  HOW WOULD THAT WOULD BE.  >> BUT THE OTHER THING IS IS  AN ASSESSMENT. EASY PEASY DO  AN ASSESSMENT.  >> GOING TO COST THIS MUCH IN  BONDS. THIS IS HOW MUCH THE  ASSESSMENT IS AND THAT WE THEN  EVERYBODY'S PAIN, THIS  ASSESSMENT. WHETHER IT'S THEY  COULD PROPERTY OWNERS BECAUSE  SOMEDAY THEY'RE GOING TO  DEVELOP OR IS EXISTING  PROPERTY OWNERS COMMERCIAL  BUSINESSES. THEM. NONPROFITS  BECAUSE YES THEY DO BENEFIT  FROM THE SERVICES BEING  PROVIDED. THE CHURCH IS IT. SO  THERE'S MORE OPPORTUNITIES OUT  THERE. THEN JUST WHAT VICE  MAYOR HAS LISTED. AND I WANTED  TO MAKE SURE WE'RE POSSIBLY  BEING EXPLORED IF WE'RE  LOOKING AT ALL OPTIONS TO ME  THESE ARE POSSIBLE POTENTIAL  OPTIONS. DOES CONCERN. AND I  HAVE SAID THIS MULTIPLE TIMES.  IS IF YOU PUT THIS PD.  REFERENDUM. ON THE SAME BALLOT  AS THE CHARTER CHANGE  REFERENDUM. THERE'S NO  GUARANTEE IT'S GOING TO  HAPPEN. I I REALLY REALLY FEEL  THERE IS TIME TO PUT  REFERENDUM. AND THE AUGUST ONE  EVERYBODY LOVES OUR POLICE  DEPARTMENT EVERYBODY LOVES OUR  FIRE DEPARTMENT PEOPLE TOTALLY  SEPARATE. YOU START COMBING  BUILDING THESE KIND OF THINGS  THERE'S A POTENTIAL FAILURE  AND I AND I JUST. DON'T WANT  THAT TO HAPPEN I WANT THIS TO  STAND ON ITS OWN MERIT. AND I  THINK THAT IT WILL BE PASSED  RESOUNDINGLY. ONCE WE FIGURE  OUT EXACTLY WHAT THAT LOOKS  LIKE. BUT I JUST WANTED TO  THROW THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE I  DID ASK THE CLERK. WHAT THE  DEADLINE IS IN ITS AUGUST 5TH.  BUT THE SUPERVISOR OF  ELECTIONS HAS TO HAVE IT. I'M  SORRY. I'M SORRY IF THE WRONG  DATE ON THE SUPERVISOR OF  ELECTIONS HAS TO HAVE IT FOR  THE AUGUST BALLOT. TIME. ON  MAY 27TH. SO ITS ONLY A FEW  MONTHS AWAY. 3 MONTHS AWAY,  BUT IT IS DOABLE I REALLY  THINK THAT THAT IS THE ROUTE  TO GO. READ IT STAND ON ITS  OWN MERIT. IT. IT HAS THERE'S  AN INCREASED POTENTIAL OF IT  PASSING WHEN HE'S STANDING AND  SO IT'S YOU'RE TELLING THE  CITIZENS, THIS IS SO IMPORTANT  AND YOU DON'T WANT COMMINGLE  IT. SO I'M I'M JUST THROWING  THAT OUT THERE.  >> I YIELD FOR ON I WILL COME  BACK.  >> ALL RIGHT, EVERYBODY SAID A  CHANCE THANK YOU. QUESTIONS  HERE COMMISSIONER LANGDON.  THANK YOU MAYOR, I I HAVE  CAUTIONS AND THE COMMENTS AND  QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT IF YOU  CAN. GIVE ME THAT AGAIN I  APPRECIATE THE VICE MAYOR  COMING UP WITH THE 5 POTENTIAL  FOR THESE I WOULD ADD A 6  WHICH IS SELLING ASSETS. I  KNOW THAT WE. DID TAKE A LOOK  AT THE CURRENT HEADQUARTER  BUILDING I WOULD NOT BE  SUPPORT ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE  KNOW WE NEED THAT SPACE FOR  THE GROWTH AND OTHER  DEPARTMENTS. BUT WE DO HAVE  LAND AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT  THAT AS PART OF THE EQUATION  SO I WOULD AND SELLING ASSETS  AS OF 6 POTENTIAL SOURCE.  SALES TAX. I WOULD BE VERY  CAUTIONARY HAVING EVEN IF IT'S  ALLOWED LEGALLY HAVING A. NOT  WHAT SPECIFIC SALES TAX WE  ALREADY HAVE UNACCEPTABLE  RETAIL LEAKAGE FROM THE CITY.  AND TO POTENTIALLY MAKE NOT  PUT BUSINESSES PUTTING THEM AT  A COMPETITIVE DISADVANTAGE. 2  STORIES SENT AND RESTAURANTS  AND OTHER PLACES THAT ARE IN  THE COUNTY. EITHER A SARASOTA  COUNTY OR CHARLOTTE COUNTY WE  JUST HAVE TO BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT  THAT. I ALSO AM VERY RELUCTANT  TO IMPACT. THE MILLAGE RATE  FOR THE HEADQUARTERS I I ALSO  BELIEVE SO THE PHILOSOPHICAL  LEVEL OF THAT GROWTH SHOULD  PAY FOR GROWTH AS COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL MENTIONED. AND WE  KNOW OUR IMPACT FEES ARE NOT  SUFFICIENT. NOW. AND IN  FAIRNESS. WE ARE REALLY  FEELING THE PINCH OF ONLY  HAVING A PERCENT OF OUR LAND  USE COMMERCIAL THAT IS GOING  HAUNT US. FOR YEARS TO COME  AND WE HAVE PLANS FOR  IMPACTING THAT IT'S NOT GOING  TO HELP US IN THE CURRENT  EXERCISE OF TRYING TO FIND.  >> FUNDING OUT FOR THE POLICE  HEADQUARTERS. BUT DEFINITELY  IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO  ADDRESS BECAUSE I'M HEARING  FOOTSTEPS I KNOW FIRE AND  RESCUE IS GOING TO BE RIGHT  BEHIND BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING  TO NEED FACILITIES TO AND SO  HOWEVER WE APPROACH THIS WE  NEED TO DO IT A POINT OF VIEW  THAT SAYS WE'RE NOT DONE LET'S  FINDING BIG BUCKETS OF MONEY.  TO ADDRESS THE SAFETY NEEDS OF  THIS COMMUNITY. I WOULD ALSO  WANT TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT  SURTAX TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY  MORE I I APPRECIATE THAT STAFF  HAS GONE THROUGH IT AND HAS  FOUND 50 MILLION DOLLARS AND  AND THAT'S A GOOD CHUNK OF  WHAT WE NEED. BUT IS THERE ANY  MORE THAT CAN BE SQUEEZED OUT  OF THAT. I I DO HAVE A  QUESTION ABOUT IMPACT FEES,  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL BROUGHT  THIS STOP. COUPLE QUESTIONS  ONE IS. WE LEGALLY AND I THINK  THIS IS A QUESTION FOR CITY  ATTORNEY CAN WE CHANGE THE  PERCENTAGE OF IMPACT FEES THAT  GO INTO THE DIFFERENT ROCKETS  I I ALSO IN PREPARATION FOR  THIS ME MEETING POKED AT  POLICE IMPACT FEES AND THEY'RE  BARELY SUFFICIENT BUYING  EQUIPMENT FOR OUR NEW  OFFICERS. WHY. ARE WE NOT  CHARGING MORE FOR POLICE IN  PAST DAYS TO ADDRESS  INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS LIKE THIS  SO I SUSPECT CITY ATTORNEY  MIGHT INPUT ON THAT WOULD YOU  WANT TO SPEAK NOW TO THAT.  >> SURE I CAN SPEAK GENERALLY  TO THAT COMMISSIONER SAID OUR  IMPACT FEES, INCLUDING  SPECIFIC RATES AND IT JUST ARE  ALSO CONSULTANTS STUDIES. SO  IF YOU WANTED TO LOOK INTO  THAT YOU WOULD NEED TO GET A  NEW CONSULTANT STUDYING  DEPENDING ON WHAT THIS STUDY  SAYS GO THROUGH THE ENTIRE  PROCESS FOR US TO MODIFY THE  IMPACT FEES IN DOING SO WE  WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT THE  STATE STATUTE AS YOU MAY  RECALL THAT WAS CHANGED TO  CORRECT YEARS AGO AND LIMITS  OUR ABILITY TO ADOPT NEW  IMPACT FEES. BUT THERE ARE  SOME EXCEPTIONS WE WOULD HAVE  TO EVALUATE APPLICATION ABOUT  TO SEE WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK  LIKE HERE. ALONG THE SAME  LINES IF YOU DON'T MIND MAYOR,  I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO ENTER  PREVIOUS QUESTION RELATED TO  IMPACT TONIGHT. AND  SPECIFICALLY ARE GENERAL  GOVERNMENT IMPACT FEES THAT IS  ESTABLISHED BY COVID AND  DEFINED BY OUR CITY CODE.  THOSE CAN BE USED FOR GENERAL  GOVERNMENT SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS  AND THE CITY CODE DEFINES THAT  THAT PHRASE GENERAL GOVERNMENT  SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS AS THE  PLANNING ENGINEERING  CONSTRUCTION OR ACQUISITION OF  LAND AND BUILDINGS THAT AT  CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT CAPACITY.  SERVING NEW DEVELOPMENT  BENEFITING FROM THE CITY'S  GENERAL GOVERNMENT FACILITIES  GENERAL GOVERNMENT FACILITIES,  CONSISTENT BUILDINGS AND LAND  USED TO PROVIDE CITY SERVICES  TO NEW DEVELOPMENT WHICH ARE  NOT SELF SUPPORTING OR COVERED  BY AN IMPACT FEE. OTHER THAN  THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT IMPACT  >> SO THAT WOULD IF IF I MAY.  >> SO DO I INTERPRET THAT  PRECLUDES. USING THAT MONEY  FOR POLICE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT  SOME OF THE STAFF CAN  CERTAINLY LOOK INTO TO MAKE  SURE THAT IN DEEPER LOOK AT  THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THERE.  BUT THE DEFINITION THAT SPACE  CERTAINLY SEEMS BIAS PLAIN  LANGUAGE TO SAY YOU CAN ONLY  TERM IMPACT THESE WHERE OTHER  CATEGORIES OF IMPACT FEES  WOULD NOT BE APPLICABLE AND  HERE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A  CATEGORY FOR POLICE THAT. THAT  MAKE UP PREVENT US FROM USING  OKAY. THANK YOU FOR AND ALSO  TO IN IN GENERAL AND AGAIN  MADAME MAYOR I DON'T KNOW IF  THIS IS A QUESTION FOR  ATTORNEY OR NOT BUT IT WAS MY  IMPRESSION THAT BUT THE  VARIOUS IMPACT, THE FUNDS WERE  NOT ALLOWED TO SHIFT FROM ONE  TO THE OTHER THAT IS CORRECT.  WE MUST IMPACT FEES ARE VERY  HEAVILY REGULATED BY THE OR SO  WE MUST CHARGE WE MUST LETTING  THEM CORRECTLY. MISTER CHARGE  INCORRECTLY MUST ACCOUNT FOR  THEM CORRECTLY MUST USE THEM  CORRECTLY.  >> AND IT DOES NOT GIVE US  FLEXIBILITY MOVING FROM ONE TO  THE OTHER. OKAY AT THIS 0.9  YEAR-OLD.  >> BACK OF THAT REAL REAL  QUICK BECAUSE YEAH I GET IT  IT'S COMPLETELY BASED  COMMISSIONER RANGES CITY AND  TURNS. ANSWER WOULD NOW BE AN  APPROPRIATE TIME TO GET A  CONSENSUS TO HAVE THE CITY  ATTORNEY DO ANALYSIS TO SEE IF  THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT. IMPACT  FEES CAN BE USED FOR SOMETHING  WHERE THE POLICE STATION. SHE  SAID THAT SHE WOULD HAVE TO DO  AN ANALYSIS. LET'S I WOULD  LIKE TO SEE ABOUT GETTING A  CONSENSUS TO GIVE HER THAT  DIRECTIONS THAT HE CAN GET  BUSY ON THAT SO MAYBE WE HAVE  MIGHT HAVE ANSWER. I MARCH  5TH. IF IF THAT WOULD BE OK  MAYOR OF. ASK FOR CONSENSUS TO  INSTRUCT THE CITY ATTORNEY TO  DO A LEGAL ANALYSIS ON THE  USAGE OF GOVERNMENT. IMPACT  FEES. AND HOW IT RELATES TO  THE NORTH PORT PD STATION.  THAT'S CLEAR CITY ATTORNEY  THANK YOU.  >> BEFORE I LET MY VOICE  FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS TO CITY  ATTORNEY COULD THAT NOW SINCE  COMPLETED IN TIME FOR THE  MARCH 5TH. YOU CAN LOOK OUT  AND SEE THAT NEED SOMETHING  MORE IN-DEPTH, I MEAN IT. I  DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU AN  ABSOLUTE ANSWER HERE ON THE  DAIS NOT HAVING LOOKED AT IT  MORE WORD SPECIFICALLY BUT  THIS DEFINITION SEEMS PRETTY  PRETTY CLOSE IT SO MY MY GUESS  IS IT'S GOING TO BE A FAIRLY  STRAIGHT FORWARD AN E-MAIL  RESPONSE SAYING YOU THE  DEFINITIONS AND ALLOW US TO DO  THAT BUT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO  LOOK A LITTLE BIT MORE BEFORE  GIVING YOU SOMETHING THAT YOU  CAN RELY UPON IF WE HAVE TO  REALLY GO INTO DEEPER CAN ALSO  LET YOU KNOW THAT. THANK YOU  FOR THAT THEN AND I WOULD BE A  YES WITH THE CAUTION. IF WE  TAKE MONEY OUT OF THE GENERAL  FUND IMPACT FEES, OTHER  PROJECTS WILL BE IMPACTED SO  IT MIGHT NOT BE. THE FREEBIE  THAT WERE HOPING FOR BUT I  WOULD CERTAINLY SUPPORT CITY  ATTORNEY LOOKING INTO THAT.  YES FOR THAT. I MEAN YES ALSO.  >> LIKE TO MOVE ON TO  COMMISSIONER AVERAGE.  >> WHAT WERE YOU WERE  DISCUSSING THE MILLAGE RATE  CITY MANAGER. WHAT IS OUR  CURRENT MILLAGE RATE WAS LIKE  3.7 7, 7, 6, OR SOMETHING 3.6  6, 7, I'M DYSLEXIC BUT YOU  WOULD TALK ABOUT RAISING IT.  TO LIKE 0.7 3 TO 0 AT THE COST  LIKE A $140 PER TAXPAYER AT  $200,000. VALUE OF HOME. WHAT  WOULD THAT MAKE THE TOTAL AT  THAT POINT ON.  >> WITH CHARTER BACK UP. THERE  PERCENTAGE POINT YOU JUST AS  WELL COMMISSIONER WE WANT TO  RAISE IT  >> THE 100 MILLION WHICH WAS  0.7 3, 2, 0,  >> WELL, SAID 100 MILLION  DOLLAR MODEL IS THE ONE THAT I  THINK WAS THE FLOOR OF WHAT WE  SHOULD BE ASKING FOR IF YOU  RAISE IT JUST FOR THAT  PARTICULAR PURPOSE, YOU'RE  LOOKING AT A 0.7 3, 2, 0,  IMPACT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT.  BEING ROUGHLY A 19% INCREASE.  AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT AT BEING  FINANCIALLY A $146.  >> TO A $2000 A YEAR OPERATE.  >> RIGHT BUT THAT DOESN'T  EQUATE TO ME AT AND 19%  INCREASE TO THE MILLAGE TO A  $140 YEAR. DOES NOT EQUATE TO  YOU TO ME IN MY MIND. I'M I  JUST THINK 19%. THAT'S WHY I  YOU KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT  POSSIBLY ADJUSTING THE MILLAGE  RATE SET TO 3 5%. YOU KNOW IF  WE MILLAGE INCREASE IT ALL.  AND TESTED THE WATERS BEFORE  WITH IT. YOU KNOW THE ONE TIME  WHERE WE HAVE 30%. EQUATION  AND WE GOT IT DOWN 13 AND THAT  WAS PRETTY CATASTROPHIC OUT  THERE TO INDIVIDUALS AND  THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I'M  LEAVING OR JUST WANT TO  CLARIFY CAJUN ON THAT MY  QUESTION WAS TO ACHIEVE. I  KNOW YOU HAD YOUR LITTLE MAGIC  WAND OUT THERE AND WE STARTED  BUILDING YESTERDAY. WHAT IS  YOUR TIMELINE ON GETTING THE  CONSTRUCTION OF THIS PD. LET'S  SAY EVERYTHING GOES FORWARD.  WE'VE GOT THE FUNDING HOW LONG  IS IT GOING TO TAKE YOU TO  BUILD BUILD IT.  >> I WOULD 16 MONTHS FROM THE  TIME THAT THEY HAVE A  CHAMPAIGN.  >> SO IT'S A LITTLE OVER A  YEAR WHAT I'M TO IS BUDGET  THINGS THAT WE WE HAVE TO BE  FULLY FUNDED BEFORE WE BREAK  GROUND OR CAN WE BREAK IT UP  INTO 2 BUDGET SCENARIOS LIKE  NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET AND THE  FOLLOWING YEAR'S BUDGET.  >> SO TO GO TO P WE WOULD NEED  FULL WE COULD TRY THINGS SO  AND WHAT IS GMP. GUARANTEED  MAXIMUM PRICE FOR  CONSTRUCTION. THINGS SORRY BUT  IT WOULD SLOW IT DOWN.  >> I UNDERSTAND THAT SLOW IT  DOWN. BUT OF COURSE STILL SORT  OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT 2  DIFFERENT BUDGETS RATHER THAN  TRYING TO COME UP WITH ONE.  GREAT BIG PIECE OF PIE WE  SPREAD THAT OUT OVER THE TIME  OF THE BUILDING. WE'RE STILL  NOT GOING TO BE OCCUPYING IT  ANYWAYS BUT WITH THE MONEY IT  COULD COME AND STILL BE IN THE  SAME TIME LINE THAT'S TRYING  TO MAKE THINGS A LITTLE BIT  EASIER. YOU KNOW BECAUSE WE  HAVE DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES  WE COULD GET MOST OF IT DONE  AND THEN THE FOLLOWING YEAR  OKAY WE'VE GOT TO DO THE WRAP  YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO  START UNTIL PROBABLY NEXT YEAR  ANYWAY SO WE'RE STILL WE WOULD  BE WITHIN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET.  THE FOLLOWING YEAR'S BUDGET  AND YOU'RE STILL LOOKING AT 16  MONTHS THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY  LOOKING INTO THE BEGINNING OF  THE 3RD YOUR BUDGET. DOWN THE  ROAD. I'M JUST TRYING LOOK AT  OPTIONS. SAYING THAT'S THE WAY  WE NEED TO GO, IT'S A  POSSIBILITY TO WORK SPREADS  OUT THAT. ACQUIRING THIS MONEY  INSTEAD OF RIGHT NOW OVER A  FEW YEAR PERIOD. JUST TRYING  TO LOOK AT OPTIONS. SO BETTER.  >> OKAY I HAD JUST QUESTIONS  CITY MANAGER ABOUT. WELL I  GUESS IN GENERAL. WHICHEVER  OPTION WE GO FOR THEY POLICE  DEPARTMENT 90 MILLION OR 20  122 MILLION WE'RE STILL SHORT.  IN BOTH CASES, CORRECT.  SHORTEN WHICH CASES AND BOTH  CASES WHETHER WE GO THAT LEVEL  AND 90 MILLION ARE  122 MILLION. WE'RE STILL SHORT  TO FULLY FUND IT BECAUSE  FIGURES THROWN IN USING  50 MILLION DOLLARS SURTAX SO  IN EITHER CASE WORST WE STILL  DON'T HAVE. IT  >> IT WAS OUR EXERCISE TO GO  THROUGH AND STOKES WAS  POINTING EARLIER THAT TO MAKE  A RECOMMENDATION WHAT WE  THOUGHT COULD BE MOVED WITHOUT  SHORT JEOPARDIZING OTHER  PROJECTS. I BELIEVE THAT WE  SHOULD PROVIDE THAT LIST BACK  TO YOU AND THAT YOU HAVE THAT  CONVERSATION SO YOU CAN SEE  WHERE THE JUSTICE FOR THAT WE  MADE AND THEN YOU AS A BOARD  YOU WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THAT  NUMBER FROM 50 TO 60 TO 70 TO  80 WHATEVER YOUR NUMBER IS  THAT YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH  IT IN THAT COULD BE PART OF  YOUR CONVERSATION AND DECISION  PUTS ON THEM. DIFFERENT. OKAY  SO.  >> THAT'S THE 50 MILLION  DOLLARS SURTAX MONEY THAT  YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WOULD BE  A RESHUFFLING PROJECTS ARE AND  PUT THAT MONEY INTO THIS POT  BUT EITHER WAY WE'RE STILL  GOING TO BE SHORT. THE PAY FOR  THAT.  >> NOT IF YOU REACH A POINT  2.2 MILLION DOLLARS.  >> THAT THERE THERE THERE'S  MONEY IN THERE THAT IS NOTHING  OUT OF THE STATION BUT YOU'D  BE MAKING CHOICES WHERE YOU  WOULD BE LEAVING OTHER OUT.  BEING THE LINE THERE THAT YOU  WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT. IN THE  PAST WHETHER IT WAS PRICE  BOULEVARD PAYS IT MAY HAVE  BEEN IN THERE AT SOME POINT  AND SO WHEN WE SHOP TOLD IN TO  GET OUT NOW HERE WE ARE PAYING  FOR IT NOW SO BE CAREFUL ON  WHAT YOU DO IN THAT PARTICULAR  BUCKET OF FUNDING.  >> THINK THAT THAT'S WHERE I'M  NOT I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT  THE ROAD HERE AT.  >> THE SCENARIO HAS BEEN  PROPOSED TO REACH A POACHER  TACK TO ALLOW FOR 50 MILLION  BUT YOU'RE SAYING WOULD BE  MORE 50 MILLION.  >> IT COULD BE MORE IF YOU  CHOKE SPORT TO RECOMMENDED 50  IT GOES BACK TO MY FIRST  QUESTION IF IT IS JUST THAT  50 MILLION GOING TO BE SHORT  TIFFANY THAT HOLE BUILDING SO  WHERE WOULD THAT MONEY COME  FROM. WELL IT DEPENDS IT'S ONE  OF THESE OTHER 6 OPTIONS ARE  ENGINES LIKE A MILLAGE  INCREASE THAT COULD FUND THAT.  >> WELL THERE'S THERE'S A  50 MILLION DOLLARS THAT WE  HAVEN'T SURTAX RIGHT IF YOU  ASK THE BOMBING QUESTION AND  IT COMES WITH THE 20 MILLION  DOLLAR. I SAID NO YOU HAVE 70  YOU KNOW WHICH IS WHY THEY  WERE THE MODEL IN THE  DESIGNER. THERE'S NOT  PRESENTATION ABOUT 5078. SO  WE'VE GOT THOSE 2 NUMBERS TO  NOW IF YOU STILL WANT TO GET  TO THE 100 WITH A 122 MODEL  AND YES, STILL NEED SOME  ADDITIONAL MONEY ON TOP OF  THAT IN ORDER TO GET THERE.  THAT COULD BE GREAT TO COULD  BE SOME OTHER. IT'S A REVENUE  THAT YOU WOULD STILL HAVE THAT  SHORT ALL OF 22 MILLION  DOLLARS EVEN IF YOU DID. THOSE  2 VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD  ACTIONS.  >> AND YOU HAVE THE CHART THAT  IF MILLAGE RATE WAS WERE TO BE  INCREASED I DON'T REMEMBER  THAT PERCENTAGE THAT YOU.  >> HAD THAT. BUT THAT WOULD  BRING IN.  >> PROPERTY THIS ASSESSED AT A  $100,000 THAT WOULD BRING A  146. $446 IS WHAT EACH  HOMEOWNER WOULD PAY THE  $200,000 MEANT. IT WAS A AND  CORRECT RIGHT. HOW WE'RE NOW  PAYING ON A ROAD BOMB. WHAT IS  THAT $50 A YEAR THAT WE PAY.  $26.6 RIGHT. YOU KNOW WE  PASSED THAT ROBE ON YEARS AGO  TO REPAVE ALL THE ROADS WHERE  WE HAD YEAH PEOPLE HAVE THE  OPTION OF PAYING THE WHOLE  THING UP FRONT OR PAYING IT  $46 A YEAR FOR 25 YEARS. IT AS  ARE ANY OF THESE SCENARIOS  LIKE THAT PUT ON A SEPARATE  ASSESSMENT FOR. I THINK  SOMEBODY MENTIONED THAT BEFORE  SEPARATE ASSESSMENT BORE. THE  POLICE BUILDING BECAUSE  OBVIOUSLY GROWTH HASN'T PAID  FOR GROWTH AND SORRY FOR THAT  THE DECADES THAT YOU KNOW  WHICH SHOULD YOU MENTIONED  WE'RE WORKING OFF OF AN IMPACT  FEE STUDY FROM 2011 AND IT'S  ONLY AT 50% WHICH IS UP SIR.  YOU KNOW IT'S IT'S TIME TO  HAVE TO PAY THE TYPE OR SO. IS  THERE AN WOULD THAT BE  SOMETHING FEASIBLE TO HAVE A  SEPARATE POLICE. HARTMAN OR  WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT  ASSESSMENT. I WROTE THAT DOWN  FOR CONVERSATION SO WE'RE  GOING TO EXPLORE THAT AND SEE  WHAT WE CAN NEXT YEAR. BUT  WHAT IF.  >> OKAY, OKAY.  >> I THANK AT MIGHT. I WAS  JUST CONFUSED THE THE PRICE  BOULEVARD PHASE 2 IS THAT  ANOTHER 15 MILLION ARE TALKING  ABOUT THAT WE HAD IN THE POT  OR FACE 2 WHICH WOULD BE WHAT  WEST THOUGH.  >> YES WITHOUT DOUBT THE HIGH  SCHOOL GUY AND IT WAS AT THE  VERY END OF YOUR CURRENT  SURTAX FOR OKAY, SO WHAT WE  DID WITH THE SHIP TO FROM THE  VERY IMPORTANT AND GETTING A  LOT OKAY AND THEN THAT'S WHERE  THE MAJORITY OF YOUR FUNDING  WAS STAGED IN ORDER YOU TO  CONSIDER IT AND THAT THAT  THEY'RE GOING ON THERE TO USE  FOR THIS PARTICULAR THAT THE  RESHUFFLE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT  THE 50 MILLION OR IS THERE  ANOTHER 50 MILLION THAT WE CAN  GET TO SHOPPING OTHER PROJECTS  OTHER THAN NO I DID NOT  UNDERSTAND IT WAS THE SAME  NUMBERS I DIDN'T  >> SO THAT IS THE RESHUFFLING  OF PHASE 2 FROM PRICE  BOULEVARD CORRECT. I PIECE OF  THE MONEY THAT WAS MOVED IN  ORDER TO FREE UP LENDING FOR  WHAT YOU OKAY, BUT IT WOULD  STILL LEAVE A SHORT OF WHAT WE  NEED AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE  TALKING ABOUT OTHER POSSIBLE  AND MILLAGE RATE INCREASE OR  PA A RIGHT. YEAH.  >> THINK I GOT A STRAIGHT NOW.  >> THIS IS WAY ABOVE MY PAY  GRADE.  >> IT IS A LOT OF NUMBERS  THERE'S THAT YEAH, IT'S JUST A  LOT THINGS YOU WANT.  ♪ YOU CONSIDER, BUT ALL  ♪ VICE MAYOR. YOU SEE IF I GET  THIS I WAS INTRIGUED BY  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL ELSE  COMMENTS ABOUT. TRYING TO DO  SOMETHING WITH THE AUGUST  ELECTION. YOU KNOW I GUESS IF  I'M CORRECT AND CORRECT ME IF  I'M WRONG. WE NEED A 100  ARGUMENT SAKE A 122 MILLION  DOLLARS THE DESK. AND I GOT NO  PROBLEM WITH THAT. QUESTION OF  HOW TO PAY FOR WE NEED TO WE  CAN'T.  >> YOU USE.  >> THE 2ND HALF OF THE 15 YEAR  MILLAGE RATES.  PAY FOR THE BUILDING THAT'S  GOING TO BE BUILT WITHIN THE  NEXT FEW YEARS SO WE OBVIOUSLY  HAVE TO GO OUT TO THE PEOPLE  AND SAY. WE NEED TO WE NEED A  122 MILLION DOLLARS UP FRONT.  SO THAT WE CAN BUILD THIS  FACILITY, THEN THE QUESTION IS  HOW THOSE PONDS GET PAID. AND  WE HAVE A VARIETY OF  APPROACHES TO HOW THEY'RE  GOING TO GET PAID SO THAT  MAKES SENSE.  >> WOULD LIKE TO IF WE START I  DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED A  CONSENSUS, BUT WE PROBABLY DO  I HAVE. STAFF LOOK INTO. THE  POSSIBILITY OF DOING JUST  THAT. I DO BELIEVE. I DO  BELIEVE THAT THE PEOPLE WE ARE  MUCH MORE RECEPTIVE TO THE  QUESTION. ARE YOU SUPPORTIVE.  ALSO NEW POLICE HEADQUARTERS  FOR THEM. INTEREST AND SAFETY  OF CITIZENS. ISSUE. ASKING  CITIZENS TO. TO CHARTER  AMENDMENT WE'RE DOING CHARTER  AMENDMENT THAT ALLOWS. THE  CITY. TO GO TO SAY 28 MILLION  DOLLARS ON DING FOR ANY  SPECIFIC PROJECTS. I THINK  IT'S A SEPARATE CONVERSATION  BECAUSE. THERE IS ANOTHER  APPROACH I DON'T REALLY  BELIEVE IS CONVERSATION FOR  THIS. THIS WORKSHOP IN WEST.  WE WANT TO BE AND THAT'S  PERMISSIVE REFERENDUM WHICH.  YOU KNOW I WAS MADE AWARE OF  NOT THAT LONG AGO WHICH IS  ANOTHER METHODOLOGY FOR  REFERENDUMS WHICH DOES NOT  GIVE UP ANY AUTHORITY OF THAT  THE CITIZENS RIGHT TO CONTROL  THE PURSE STRINGS. WELL FOR  PROJECTS THAT THEY  WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT ALLOW  COMMISSION CITY LEADERSHIP.  IT. AND AND THE IS IS ON THE  CITIZENS IF THEY QUESTION IT  IF THEY ARE NOT 100% BEHIND  IT. THEY CAN GO AHEAD AND PUSH  IT TO A PUBLIC REFERENDUM  THERE ARE OPTIONS TO THIS.  CHARTER REVIEW SUGGESTION. I  FEAR TO I CONCERNED THAT IF WE  PACKAGE UM. CITIZENS ARE GOING  TO SAY JESUS YOU KNOW WE  SUPPORT THE POLICE BUILDING  WHOLE HEARTEDLY. YOU'RE ALSO  ASKING US THE CITY LEADERSHIP,  28 MILLION DOLLARS BORROWING  CAPACITY. PROPS BY PROJECT AND  I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THAT I  THINK A RIGHT TO US UP FRONT  AND LET'S SAY ASKED FOR ON  22 MILLION DOLLARS. 4 POLICE  BUILDING. AND PAY FOR THOSE BY  ANY COMBINATION OF THESE  OPTIONS SO YOU KNOW I I YOU  KNOW I WOULD CERTAINLY LIKE  CITY STAFF TO LOOK INTO THE  POSSIBILITY OF DOING THIS  ENORMOUS CAN SPEND IT REALLY  EXPEDITES I DON'T KNOW HOW  HARD IT WOULD I THINK ITS SALE  TO THE PUBLIC I THINK THEY  UNDERSTAND NEED I GUESS I  WOULD YOU KNOW OFFER UP A  CONSENSUS THAT. WE HAVE CITY  STAFF LOOK INTO THE  POSSIBILITY OF READING THIS  4TH. ON AUGUST ELECTION DAY  AND AND AS OPPOSED TO WAITING  TO LOAD MEMBER. AND AND SEE IF  WE CAN'T GET CITIZENS SUPPORT  THIS.  >> ONE QUESTION ONE QUESTION  ONE QUESTION, THANK THEY  DIDN'T KNOW ANYBODY ELSE YOU  WANT ALL START WITH  COMMISSIONER EMERICH.  >> I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT  IF I COULD WE HAVE A NUMBER ON  WHAT THAT AMOUNT WOULD BE IF  WE BONDED THE WHOLE  122 MILLION DOLLARS WHAT WOULD  THAT LOOK LIKE ON THE.  >> TAX BASE TO THE CITIZENS.  GIVEN  >> I MEAN WHAT WAS THE ROBOT  MUCH DID WE BOMB THERE AND I  AND IT COSTS US 46 BUCKS A  YEAR.  >> ABOUT THE ROLE ON THAT  YOU'RE ASKING WHAT WITH THE  AMOUNT TO THE HOLE. TAXPAYER  BE WE'VE BEEN IN A 100 MILLION  DOLLARS.  >> YES 2222 MILLION DOLLARS TO  FULLY FUND THE POLICE STATION.  WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE THIS  WOULD BE FLAT FEE ON TAXES BUT  NO ADJUSTMENT OF THE MILITARY  SO LET'S SAY IT'S 250 BUCKS ON  THE YEAR.  >> IT'S A 178,066.  >> OKAY SO THAT'S HOW WE WOULD  ADVERTISE IT OKAY, WE NEED A  NEW PD THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING  TO COST WITHOUT AND FLEXING  YOUR MILEAGE RATE WITHOUT  DOING THIS AT YOU KNOW SO  YOU'RE LOOKING AT A $176 A  YEAR. EVERY CITIZEN IN NORTH  PUERTO  >> THAT INCREASE DOES INCLUDE  AS PRICE OF THE MILLAGE RATE  INCREASE TO PAY FOR IS NOT  SEPARATE FROM IT, IT'S  INCLUDED WITH IT. THAT 178 THE  COST NOSE INTO THE MILITARY,  BUT ITS ROUTE CALCULATED AS A  PERCENTAGE INCREASE. DON'T  LEAVE BUT $46 FOR THE ROBOT  THAT'S AN ASSESSMENT THAT'S  WHAT TALKING ABOUT YOU KNOW WE  DON'T KNOW IT CAN BE THIS MEAN  WE'RE GOING TO GO LOOK AT THAT  BUT IF YOU'RE ASKING OR IF WE  BOMB WOULDN'T THAT BE AN  ASSESSED. RIGHT IT'S IT'S NOT  WHAT BURNING UP IF IF WE WANT  TO ON THE IT WOULD BE A SET  RATE IT WILL NOT ADJUST THE  MILLAGE RATE IS WHAT I DID NOT  CORRECT THAT WE SAID WE WOULD  GO A LITTLE WITH YOU I'M JUST  SAYING THAT IT WOULD BE  SEPARATE THAN THE MILLAGE RATE  IT WE COULD RAISE THE MILLAGE  RATE.  >> TO COVER THAT. BUT THAT IS  GOING TO BE EXPENDABLE OVER  THE CORRECT THIS ONE HERE  WOULD BE BEFORE THIS CORRECT  SPECIFICALLY FOR JUST LIKE A  ROBOT IF YOU HAVE A NUMBER  ABOUT HOW MUCH IT WAS HERE AT  THAT FLAT RATE, IT WOULD BE  THAT FLAT RATE FOR THE NEXT 20  TO 25 YEARS. JUST GUESS THAT'S  ALL WAY WELL I WASN'T I WASN'T  THE 7TH OF THE FIRST PART YES,  THE SECOND PART NO, I MEAN WE  IF WE STAY HIT CLOSE TO HALF A  DOZEN.  >> OPTIONS BY WHICH WE CAN PAY  OFF. THE 122 MILLION DOLLARS  WHAT I'M SAYING CAN WE. NASCAR  CITIZENS TO ALLOW US. ISSUE  BONDS FOR A 122 MILLION  DOLLARS. THE BILL. THE POLICE  STATION THE WAY WE NEED TO  BUILD IT WHICH IS WHAT WE ALL  KNOW WE NEED WANT. THE  QUESTION IS. HOW DO YOU PAY  THOSE BONDS OFF OVER 30 YEARS.  I DON'T SAY NECESSARILY WE AS  AN ASSESSMENT. MAYBE THAT'S A  PORTION OF WE GOT SURTAX WE  GOT GRANTS WE'VE GOT MAYBE A  LITTLE BIT IMPACT FEES FROM  WHAT I'M HEARING OUT AS MUCH  AS I WAS HOPING. MAYBE NOBODY  WANTS TO DO A SALES TAX I  DON'T KNOW THERE'S AN  ASSESSMENT WHICH IS BASICALLY  A MILLAGE RATE INCREASE  DISGUISED, DON'T EITHER WAY OF  STARTING TO BILL PROPERTY.  IT'S IT'S IT'S IT'S IT'S AN  INCREASE WHAT I'M SAYING IS  THERE'S A MILLION WAYS PAY THE  122 MILLION MY QUESTION REALLY  WAS.  >> CAN WE GO OUT IN AUGUST AND  SAY. WE WANT THIS BUILDING WE  NEED THIS BUILDING. WHY  CITIZENS SUPPORT CAN WE GO GET  ON 22 BILLION HOW WE PAY THEM  ALL IS THE DEVIL IN THE  DETAILS WHICH WE'VE YET TO GET  TO. SO IT'S NOT ALL LET'S JUST  822 MILLION SPREAD IT OVER  60,000 PROPERTIES OR WHATEVER  WE'VE GOT THE CITY. IT'S LIKE  NO WE MAY ONLY HAVE TO SPREAD.  AND ASSESSMENT OVERALL. I MEAN  THERE MAY BE ABLE 20  25 MILLION TO 30 MILLION LEFT  TO HAVE TO ASSESS WHETHER YOU  WANT TO DO IT BE A MILLAGE  RATE INCREASE OR ASSESSMENT.  THE REST GETS GOBBLED A LITTLE  NICER TAX GRANTS IMPACT FEES  IN ANY WHAT I WILL HOST THE  THINGS WE'VE DISCUSSED. SO  THAT'S SORT OF WHERE I WAS  HEADED WITH THIS I JUST.  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL YOU I  MEAN I REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT IT  AND DIDN'T KNOW WHAT WE COULD  EVEN BUT WHAT POINT. IT'S US  CITIZENSHIP HERE'S 6 WAYS WE  CAN PAY THOSE BOMBS WE'RE  STILL WRESTLING WITH THE  PERCENTAGES AND ALL BUT WE  NEED FACILITY AND I THINK VOTE  FOR I MEAN MY PERSONAL  OPINION. I JUST DON'T KNOW  ELSE THAT ALL RIGHT THING  YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A CONSENSUS  TO TO GET INFORMATION IN ORDER  TO CONSIDER BUT ASSESSMENT.  >> QUESTION OR THAT WOULD BE  PAID FOR WITH AN ASSESSMENT.  I'M LOOKING FOR.  >> THE CONSENSUS TO AND CITY  STAFF INTO THE POSSIBILITY OR  THE ABILITY FOR US TO '02.  REFERENDUM AUGUST. ON BEING A  122 MILLION DOLLAR POLICE  BALL.  >> BUT THEN WE'RE GOING BACK  TO MY INITIAL QUESTION AGAIN  TO IS YOU JUST BROUGHT UP A  GOOD POINT AND I UNDERSTAND  THAT IT MAY NOT BE THE WHOLE  ONE 22 SEE YOU'RE GOING TO GO  OUT TO BOND FOR SPECIFIC  AMOUNTS. LET'S SAY WE'VE GOT  TO 50 SURTAX NOW YOU'RE  LOOKING AT A BOMB FOR 72  BECAUSE SHE DON'T GET TO  50 MILLION A SURTAX INTEL.  >> YEAR 7 15 AND WE'RE  BUILDING THE POLICE BUILDING.  SO YOU NEED 222 MILLION  DOLLARS TO BUILD THIS POLICE  BUILDING UP FRONT THAT HAS TO  BE DONE BY ISSUING BOTCHED AND  GETTING THAT MONEY I WOULD  ASSUME WHERE ESPECIALLY COME  FROM YOU CAN'T YOU KNOW, YOU  KNOW LIKE BUILDING ISN'T GOING  TO 15 YEARS TO BUILD. SO  YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE THE MONEY  UP FRONT THAT'S THE 0.8  MILLION IS THERE. WHAT'S NOT.  >> THEY'RE MOVING IT FROM  SURTAX NOT MOVING IT FROM FROM  FROM PRICE. WYOMING, WHICH IS  TO FIRST 5 TO 7 YEARS SO FAR  SURTAX.  >> COMING OFF THE IS A  50 MILLION AND THE POT TO GO  RIGHT NOW CITY MANAGER THOUGH  NO BECAUSE IT LIKE THAT OVER  TIME, BUT I THINK.  >> CAN EXPLAIN AGAIN HOW DO  EXPLAIN ONLY BUT I I THINK  WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT THE  FIRST THING FIND OUT IF AN  ASSESSMENT OF THE LEGALLY.  ALLOW THIS POINT SO WHAT SHE  SAID I WROTE IT NOW WE NEED TO  FIGURE OUT IF THAT'S NOT FUN,  HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST YOU  KNOW ON AN ANNUAL BASIS,  THEY'RE NOT TO THE MILLAGE  RATE THOUGH QUESTION THAT WE  FIND OUT FOR BUT YOU'RE ALL  CORRECT. IF YOU WHAT WE TOO  TRYING TO PIECE TOGETHER FROM  MULTIPLE PLACES. SO THE BIG  GUY IS ONE SOURCE IN THE 72  MIGHT BE COMING FROM A  DIFFERENT SOURCE, BUT. I THINK  THE QUESTION ON THE TABLE NOW  IS HOW DO WE TAKE ADVANTAGE OF  THE 50 MILLION FOR THE PROJECT  KNOWING THAT IT WAS TAKEN FROM  THE LATTER YEARS AND IN PULLED  UP OVER.  >> SO YOU WOULD BE BONDING  THAT SURTAX PORTION AS WHETHER  IT WOULD BE.  >> A TOTAL BONDING IF YOU'RE  PROPOSING OR BY ITSELF SO THAT  WE'RE MAKING ANNUAL THROUGHOUT  THE 15 YEARS OR ONE EVER WE  FINALLY ISSUE IT COULD YOU  REALLY CAN DO IT DURING THE  APPROVAL PERIOD, SO YOU HAVE  15 YEARS IT GOT WORSE OFF. AS  WELL. SO THAT WE'RE BASICALLY  AGAIN BECAUSE WE DID PRICE  PHASE ONE THAT WAY WE HAVE ALL  THAT FRONT PAY AS YOU GO SO  NOW YOU HAVE THAT MONEY TO WE  COULD MAKE OTHER PAYMENTS  AGAINST THE SURTAX THAT WE ARE  NICHE ALI HOLDING AT THE END  YOU'RE YOU'RE SPREADING IT OUT  OVER THE LIFE RATHER THAN  SAYING WE'RE GOING TO SAVE UP  AND USE IT WHEN YOU GO TO MAKE  THE BOND PAYMENTS SO THAT THE  CASH IS NOT THERE ANY FOR YET.  >> DOESN'T TODAY VERY FIRST  YOU'VE GOT TO BE FOR A PERIOD  OF POLLS SO WE NEED THE MONEY  UP FRONT POLICE BUILDING.  >> WHICH IS CAN I ASK DO WE  WANT INSTRUCT STAFF TO LOOK  INTO BRINGING THIS BEFORE  CITIZENS AUGUST TO SAY  122 MILLION DON'T RUSH TO  BUILD A NEW SAID COURSE WHICH  WE DESPERATELY NEED TO WHICH  NEED IT FOR 10 YEARS WHICH HAS  BEEN ASKED FOR REPEATEDLY  WHICH WILL PROVIDE SAFETY FOR  OUR CITIZENS.  >> THAT'S A RIGHT ASSIST WHEN  THE QUESTION COMES UP HOW DO  YOU PAY  >> HERE'S A HAVE A BETTER  DIFFERENT WAYS WE'RE LOOKING  AT. WE BUT THAT NEXT BIG  TOGETHER THAT'S HOW WE PAY IT  OFF OVER.  ♪ >> 30 YEARS, I WILL MENTION  THOUGH YOU TYPICALLY HAVE TO  SAY WHAT TYPE OF BOND YOU'RE  GOING FOR AND SO YOU CAN'T  THAT'S CERTAINLY EXPECT ON AND  I DO A GENERAL OBLIGATION I  I'M SO VERSUS A REVENUE BOND,  WE WOULD HAVE THEY WOULD BE  VOTING ON THE INSTRUMENT AS  WELL AS A PART OF LIMITATION A  LAW THAT IT'S GEO THEY HAVE TO  VOTE MATTER WHAT.  >> WHERE OUR LIMITATION IN  CHARTER IS REVENUE REVENUE  THAT THE ABILITY TO PAY THE  REVENUE BONDS.  >> OKAY THAT AT ALL TO TO PAY  THE REVENUE BONDS CAN COME  FROM ANY NUMBER OF SOURCES WE  CAN PAY PART OF THAT TRUMP  SURTAX THAT WE CHOOSE TO READ  WE PRIORITIZED THAT MAY BE  GRANT MONEY THAT MAY COME IN  THAT WE CAN. THOSE PONDS WITH  WE WOULD HAVE TO SHOW HOW  WE'RE GOING TO PAY THEM  OBVIOUSLY TO GET WELL WE'RE  GOING AND FROM GRANTS WHEN WE  DON'T HAVE TO AND TRY TO GET  THAT. BUT WE LOOK AT. THE  METHODOLOGY OF PAYING THAT 122  THAT'S THE SUBJECT DISCUSSIONS  WE HAVE FEEDBACK COMING BACK  FROM STAFF TO DISCUSS AGAIN ON  THE FIELD AS SPECIFIC  DIRECTION ON THAT. BUT MY  SIMPLE THAT SIMPLE I ASK IS  WHO DO WE WANT STAFF TO LOOK  AT.  >> IN AUGUST. WEST READING  THEM ITEM SPECIFICALLY FOR  122 MILLION DOLLAR POLICE  HEADQUARTERS ROBIN WAIT A  MEMBER AND RATHER THAN PACKAGE  IT WITH A. REPORTER  >> DO WANT TO ANSWER THAT.  >> WAS THE. CAUTION WITH DOING  IT EARLIER IS YOUR ABILITY TO  SPREAD AWARENESS. YOU KNOW AS  SOON AS YOU SORT IN AND THAT  MEANS YOU'VE GOT TO SORT OF  STEP OUT OF IT. YOU KNOW WE  STEP IN WHEN ASKED BROUGHT  INTO THE THE WINDOW OF TIME IS  A LOT SHORTER BUT I GET YOUR  POINT IT TO DETERMINE IT.  >> THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO  GET DO WE JUST GO IN NOVEMBER.  THEY ASK WITHOUT THE NEED FOR  A TRIAL AMENDMENT AT THAT TIME  AND THEY ASKED FOR CHARTER  AMENDMENT. WE'RE GOING TO  SPECIAL ELECTION WAR 26. I  DON'T KNOW YOU MENTIONED THE  QUESTION THAT ULTIMATELY A.  >> I THINK I WAS STILL YOU  HAVE TO ASK FOR A CHARTER  AMENDMENT ON THE GENERAL  ELECTION. THINKING ABOUT THE  SPECIAL WE HAVE AND AGAIN MY  LORD I'M A LAWYER.  >> ALL COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL  JOVEN THAT. COMMISSIONER  STOKES I THINK I THINK THE  BIGGEST CONSENSUS IS. FOR  STAFF TO LOOK AT DUE IN AUGUST  REFERENDUM FOR THE PD. THEY  ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK  WITH ALL THE WHO WHAT WHEN  WHERE WISE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE  THAT HAPPEN WHETHER THAT BE  THE MARCH 5TH MEETING MAYBE  THE MARCH 7TH MEETING MAY  THEIR 26TH MEETING MAYBE WE  HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING.  >> BUT I THINK YOUR BIGGEST  ASK IS STAFF WE WANT YOU TO DO  THIS IN AUGUST AS OPPOSED TO  NOVEMBER. AND IF THAT IS THE  CRUX OF YOUR ASK. KNOWING THAT  THEY'RE GOING TO COME BACK  WITH ALL OF THOSE DETAILS I  WOULD DEFINITELY BE A YES  BECAUSE THE EDUCATION PART IS  KIND OF POINT BECAUSE IT'S THE  PD IT'S ONE SUBJECT. WE NEED  THIS GROWTH AND IT'S THE  POLICE STATION. AND I THINK  THE EDUCATIONAL PART IS GOING  TO BE VERY SMALL. BUT IF YOU  HAVE 3 DIFFERENT REFERENDUMS  OR 4 DIFFERENT REFERENDUMS OR  HOW MANY REFERENDUMS IN  NOVEMBER.  >> THAT EDUCATIONAL CAMPAIGN  GET SOME US. SO I'M A YES IF  THAT THE THING IS TO EXPLORE  OBVIOUS REFERENDUM FOR THE  122 MILLION DOLLARS. THEY'RE  GOING TO HAVE TO BRING BACK  THE WHAT WHEN WARE'S  WEISENBERG HOW HOW IS IT GOING  TO BE FUNDED THAT'S ALL PART  OF A FUTURE CONVERSATION.  OKAY, ALL RIGHT.  >> I WOULD BE A YES. YEAH, I  WOULD BE YES TO AND AGAIN  THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD LEARN IF  THIS WOULD.  >> BE THE SAME THING AS THAT  ROAD BOMB THAT PEOPLE VOTED  FOR THAT THEY MOTOR FOR MONEY  TO BE USED FOR AN ASSESSMENT  AND. WOULD BE THE SAME.  >> SCENARIO THAT AS WELL,  YEAH.  >> AND CERTAINLY YES. I'M A  YES,  >> I AGREE WITH THAT AND I GOT  NO ISSUES WITH THAT THE ONLY  THING I WANT TO KEEP OPEN ON  IS WHEN WHO WHAT WHERE WHEN  COMES IN WHAT IS THE EXACT  IMPACT TO THE IN THAT  INFORMATION, A AND ALSO TO  HAVE A POSSIBLE LEAVING THE  OPEN FOR THE NOVEMBER ELECTION  INSTEAD OF AUGUST. IF ONLY  GOING TO GO WITH ONE  REFERENDUM BECAUSE OF THE FACT  IS YOU WILL HAVE A LOT MORE  PARTICIPATION IN THE GENERAL  ELECTION. THEN YOU NORMALLY DO  IN THE PRIMARIES. I JUST WANT  TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS  DOWN THE ROAD WHEN INFORMATION  SO SO I'M A YES, OKAY, SO YOU  HAVE THERE.  >> CONSENSUS AND AND JUST  AGAIN TO BE CLEAR REGARDLESS  WE WERE SO SHORT MONEY FOR  THIS BUILDING. WE DON'T HAVE  EVERYTHING IN A ROW ALL I GOT  TURNED IN A ROW YET FOR THIS  SO PEOPLE WHAT DETERMINED VO  WHETHER THEY WANT TO SEE A NEW  BUILDING OR NOT I SUPPOSE.  BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A  122 MILLION DOLLARS. I MANAGE  OR. THAT'S JUST LAYING AROUND.  RIGHT IF THE BUT THAT'S THING  WE FIND OUT WHAT ALL THOSE  OPTIONS ARE PEOPLE WILL KNOW  HOW WE'RE GOING TO AND THAT'S  BECAUSE IT'S NOT REALLY SHOULD  BE A MATTER OF IF HOW RIGHT  YOU ARE.  >> YOU'LL KNOW THAT BEFORE YOU  WRITE QUESTION BEFORE THEY SEE  IT YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TODAY,  YEAH, BUT  >> YOU MIGHT SAY WE WANT TO DO  IT IN TWEET TELL YOU KNOW  ASSESSMENT AND THIS IS WHAT IT  COSTS FOR THE TAXPAYERS FOR A  COST THE TAX PAYERS RIGHT  THAT'S THE INFORMATION WE HAVE  RIGHT TO THAT.  >> ALL RIGHT, THANK SO AND A  CONSENSUS FOR THAT WHAT ELSE I  KIND OF LOST TRACK HERE WHAT  WHAT ELSE ARE DOING EVENING.  WE HAVE OFF A HEAD  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  >> YEAH SO GOING BACK TO THE  PRESENTATION AND KIND OF HOW  IS THIS GOING TO PAY FOR AND  THIS IS GOING TO WHAT I THINK  COMMISSIONER ELRICH WAS  TALKING ABOUT. WHEN YOU LOOK  AT THE SAMPLE MILEAGE. LITTLE  CHART AND IT'S A SIMPLE  MILEAGE. AND YOU SAY A  122 MILLION DOLLARS. AND  INCREASING THE MILLAGE RATE BY  0.8 9, 3, 0, BUT THEN YOU GO  DOWN TO THE BOTTOM AND IT SAYS  IT'S A 178 60. IS THAT 178 60  JUST THAT VERY LAST. NUMBER  THAT FIRST PROBLEM IS THAT  JUST THE MILLAGE INCREASE TO  PAY FOR THE POLICE STATION OR  BECAUSE IT'S NOT CLEAR.  >> IS IT A MILLION IT 178.  >> DOLLARS FOR THE POLICE  STATION WITH 0.8 9 MILLAGE  RATE INCREASE. INCLUDING THE  3.7 6, 6, 7 NO INJURY.  >> THE FIRST PROBLEM IS THE  0.8 9, 3, 0, THE INCREASE TO  THE CURRENT MILLAGE RATE. IT'S  RIGHT NEXT TO THE 122 END OF  IT. ONE IN 20 MEETING, COSTA  HOMEOWNER IS $170 AND 66 THAT  THAT OKAY SO I WILL MAKE IT  VERY SIMPLE AS THAT  178 MILLION DOLLARS.  >> THE PORTION OF THE POLICE  STATION OR IS IT THE ENTIRE  MILLAGE RATE INCLUDING THE  POLICE STATION OR STATION. SO  IT'S JUST THE POLICE STATION.  THAT'S WHAT I NEED TO CLARIFY  BECAUSE I I THINK IN THE  CONVERSATION AND KIND OF GOT  THAT IT WAS I DID TOGETHER  ALREADY AND I DIDN'T THINK  THAT THAT WAS ACCURATE. IN IF  IF BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT  OPTIONS HERE. IF WE'RE TALKING  ABOUT INCREASING THE MILLAGE  RATE AND IF YOU LOOK AT THAT  SAME CHART WHERE YOU GO TO THE  122 MILLION DOLLARS IT STARTS  AT 2.8 9 THEN GOES DOWN TO 0.8  1 AND THEN GOES DOWN 0.7 3. I  HAD ALSO MADE THE SUGGESTION  OF HAVING. AND EXPLORING A  FLAT MILLAGE RATE INCREASE AND  WHAT WOULD THAT LOOK LIKE SHE  HAS A WAY OF PAIN THIS BACK.  IF WE ARE GOING TO DO THE  ASSESSMENT LIKE THE ROAD BOND  IF THERE'S IF WE DO IT IN  CONJUNCTION WITH SURTAX. WHAT  WOULD IT LOOK LIKE AS JUST A  FLAT MILLAGE RATE BECAUSE IT'S  EASIER TO EDUCATE AND IT'S  LESS MATH. IT'S GOING TO GO  DOWN AS PROPERTY VALUES GO UP  AND IT BECOMES LESS  EXPLAINABLE. THE WHOLE THING  IS WE HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS TO  THE CITIZENS. AND IF YOU HAVE  A FLAT RATE SAYING HEY FOR THE  NEXT AND THAT DOESN'T EVEN SAY  HOW MANY YEARS IS THIS GOING  TO BE IT'S BEEN STATED IT'S 30  YEARS MAYBE IT'S 15 YEARS, IT  DOESN'T SAY. HOW MANY YEARS IS  THIS INCREASE GOING TO BE.  THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PART  OF IT. THERE'S THERE'S A FLAT  MILITARY WE CAN INCREASE AND  ALONG WITH THE SURTAX ALONG  WITH MAYBE AN ASSESSMENT  THERE'S VERY DIFFERENT  OPPORTUNITIES HERE. AND KIND  OF WHAT COMMISSIONER STOKES  WAS DO WE WHEN WE GO TO  REFERENDUM HAVE TO SPELL OUT  EXACTLY HOW IT'S GOING TO BE  REPAID OR CAN WE BE BROAD IN  IT AND THAT'S PROBABLY A LEGAL  QUESTION. SO THOSE A COUPLE  OTHER THINGS THAT I WANTED TO  PUT ON THE TABLE. CITY MANAGER  NEED DOUBLE CHECK SOMETHING ON  THIS IMPACT THE STUFF. IF YOU  GO TO YOUR CHART WITH THE LOW  IMPACT, THE PERCENTAGES AND  2022. IS THAT BASED ON 2011  STUDY OR THE 2022 STUDY THAT  WE APPROVED. VERY LAST ONE AS  I KNOW I COULD SWEAR WE  APPROVED A 2022 IMPACT FEE  STUDY AFTER WE DID THE  DEMONSTRATED NEEDS WE  INCREASED ALL OF THE IMPACT  THESE EXCEPT FOR  TRANSPORTATION. WILL COME I  APPRECIATE THAT THANK YOU.  THAT IT COMMISSIONER. YEAH,  AND I REALLY DON'T KNOW IF  WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE  ALL OF THESE CONVERSATIONS ON  THE 5TH. I I THINK MAYBE STAFF  IS GOING NEED A LOT MORE TIME  THAN JUST 2 WEEKS. I WOULD  REALLY LIKE TO SEE ABOUT  GETTING CONSENSUS TO HAVE A  SPECIAL MEETING ON JUST THE  SUBJECT. OK IF THERE'S IF  THERE'S MAYBE STEP IS GOING TO  WONDERFUL AND BE ABLE TO  PRODUCE IT LESS THAN 2 WEEKS.  I I THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE  SUBJECTS THAT THEY MIGHT NEED  MORE TIME BE ABLE TO PUT ALL  OF THE INFORMATION IN THE  BACKUP MATERIALS INSTEAD  GETTING IT. THE 11TH HOUR. OUR  EDUCATION ESTIMATE CAUSED.  WE'LL LET YOU KNOW.  >> OKAY, I DON'T I DON'T WANT  TAKE THAT WE A SPECIAL MEETING  ON THE 7TH OF OUR CALLERS. SO  I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE BUT  THEY LOOKED AT THE NETWORK.  >> AND IF THAT SPECIAL MEETING  HAS TO START 10 O'CLOCK IS A  POST 1 O'CLOCK. AND YOU KNOW  I'D BE AMENABLE TO THAT I JUST  WANT THROW OUT OTHER OPTIONS  SO THAT CITY MANAGER'S AND  PIGEON HOLED INTO 10:00AM ON  THE 7TH. OKAY VICE MAYOR DID  YOU HAVE SOMETHING YEAH  ACTUALLY SINCE. TOOK A LOOK  AT. THE AGENDA AND.  >> 24 '03 FOR ONE SAYS  DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE ACTION  REGARDING POTENTIAL REST THE  MORNING WHICH THE MIDSECTION  CHARTER. RELATED TO CITY  STARTED ISSUE GENERAL  OBLIGATION AND DEVIN. IOWA  CITY MANAGERS TO SET  APPROPRIATE TIME. TO HAVE  DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT ISSUE  SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE  POLICE. BECAUSE THE REASON I  ASK YOU IS. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S  ASK TO BUILD A POLICE BUILDING  THEN THERE WAS IN FISH AND  THIS. FOR A CHARTER AMENDMENT.  THERE ARE OPTIONS TO THAT THAT  WAS A RECOMMENDATION MADE BY  THE CHARTER REVIEW BOARD THAT  WE WOULD KIND OF. COMPARE OKAY  TO BACK UP A LITTLE OUR CITY  IS PROBABLY THE ONLY CITY  ANYWHERE THAT I KNOW OF THAT  DOES NOT HAVE ANY ABILITY.  BOND FOR REVENUE BONDING TO  REVENUE BONDING WITH OUTGOING  REFERENDUM. THAT YOU'RE REALLY  RESTRICTING OUR CITY'S ABILITY  TO BORROW MONEY FOR ANYTHING.  THAN FOR A POLICE BUILDING.  THE IDEA ASKING FOR A CHARTER  AMENDMENT WHICH WOULD ALLOW  CITY LEADERSHIP. GO UP TO AN  AMOUNT. PLAYED 28 MILLION  DOLLARS PER PROJECT WHICH IS  BY THE WAY WHAT THE COUNTY  DOES. AND AND MANY  MUNICIPALITIES TO VARIOUS  AMOUNTS WHETHER IT'S 2815 2030  WHATEVER. BUT THEY'RE ALL IS  AN ALTERNATIVE APPROACH TO.  CHARTER AMENDMENT. MIGHT BE  WORTH EXPLORING AT SOME OKAY.  GET ALL THAT IS PERMISSIVE  REFERENDUMS. I BELIEVE  COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO GET  INFORMATION ON THE SIDE  FORWARDED TO CHARTER REVIEW  BOARD CUTS THEY CAME BACK THEY  HAVEN'T COME BACK WITH  ANYTHING BUT BASICALLY. MISS A  ALL-IN APPROACH WHEREBY  CITIZENS. HAVE THE AUTHORITY.  FORCE ANY ASK I SEE LEADERSHIP  FOR INDEBTEDNESS TO GO TO A  REFERENDUM. HOWEVER THEY HAVE  THE RIGHT. TO ALLOW IT. IF  THEY ARE A 100% BEHIND IT. IF  FOR INSTANCE WE WANT TO BORROW  3 MILLION DOLLARS OR 5 MILLION  DOLLARS TO. REPLACE WATER  STRUCTURES. EVERYONE IN THE  CITY KNOWS WE'VE GOT TO  HAPPEN. SO THE CITY MAKES A  DECISION IT SAYS WE'D LIKE TO  BORROW. 3 MILLION DOLLARS. IF  THE CITIZENS HAVE NO PROBLEM  WITH IT. AND THEY GET 3060 90  DAY, WHATEVER TIME PERIOD THE  CITY DETERMINED IN THIS  CHARTER AMENDMENT FOR  PERMISSION FIRST CITIZENS HAVE  A PERIOD OF TIME WHICH THEY  CAN COME BACK WITH A PETITION.  10% PERCENT 75%, WHATEVER.  IT'S DECIDED WHEN THIS  PERMISSIVE REFERENDUM CHARTER  AMENDMENTS MAY THEY CAN COME  BACK AND SAY. YOU KNOW, WE  KNOW WE NEED THESE BUT WE WANT  EVERYBODY IN THE CITY TO VOTE  ON OR THEY SIMPLY DON'T BRING  THAT PETITION FORWARD TIME  FRAME CITY LEADERSHIP SO OUT  TO MOVE FORWARD BORROW THAT  MONEY WITHOUT HAVING TO DO A  REFERENDUM WITHOUT HAVING TO  SPEND AN EXORBITANT AMOUNT OF  TODD. THE INTERESTING ASPECT  OF THIS IS THAT CITIZENS NEVER  GIVE THE RIGHT. TO TELL  COMMISSION OR CITY LEADERSHIP.  WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE ALLOWED  TO SPEND THAT MONEY. THEY  RETAIN WITH THE CHARTER  AMENDMENT THAT'S BEFORE US  HERE OR THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED  BY THE CHARTER REVIEW BOARD.  IT SAYS. PEOPLE GIVE US  LEADERS THE ABILITY TO BORROW  UP TO WHATEVER ABOUT  20 MILLION DOLLARS PER  PROJECT. WE ARE GOOD STEWARDS  OF YOUR TAX DOLLARS. WE MEAN  WELL WE DO WELL WE SQUEEZE  EVERY BUCK TROY AND YOU KNOW  WE WANT THAT AUTHORITY SO WE  DON'T HAVE TO KEEP COMING BACK  TO YOU TO ASK EVERY TIME WANT  TO CALL IT. FOR MISTER  PRESIDENT AND OTHER WILL  APPROACH TO THIS WHEREBY THE  CITIZENS HAVE A BIT MORE  CONTROL. ON EVERY SINGLE THAT  COMES FORWARD AND SO MY  QUESTION IS IS THIS SOMETHING  WE MAY WANT TO EXPLORE. I  WOULD SUGGEST THAT IT SHOULD  GO TO THE CHARTER REVIEW BOARD  SINCE I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF  THERE I WAS NOT AWARE MILES  LEGISLATIVE BATTLES TO WHAT'S  WAS COUNCIL IN NEW YORK THIS  IDEA TO MAKE WE HAD JUST  GENERAL CONVERSATION ABOUT. ON  THING AND GOLDEN POLICE  BUILDING AND I WAS LIKE WOW I  NEVER HEARD OF AND I LOOKED  INTO IT I GOT INFORMATION WAS  DISSEMINATED TO A LITTLE BIT.  BUT THERE'S I MEAN THIS IS A  VIABLE I BELIEVE A VIABLE  OPTION TO CHARTER AMENDMENTS  REGARDING BORROWING FOR OUR  CITY AND LORD KNOWS THIS WEEK  WROTE THE SPEED OF WHICH WERE  GROWING. NOT JUST THE POLICE  BUT THE GAMES BUT A SERIES  NEEDS ICE OVER THE YEARS IN  OUR CITY NEEDS TO BE BETTER  PREPARED TO BE ABLE TO FUND  THOSE AND THAT'S WHY I BROUGHT  THIS UP IF IT'S NOT A  DISCUSSION FOR NOW I'M FINE  YOU WANT CAN DO ANOTHER  MEETING BUT BUT THIS WAS THE  ITEM ON THE AGENDA AND SO I I  WELL I OKAY AND WROTE ABOUT  AND I'M ALL FOR A SECOND I  JUST ONE.  >> WE WERE ON POLICE  HEADQUARTERS BOMBING ARE WE  DONE WITH THAT ISSUE DO YOU  NEED SOMETHING ELSE FROM US  FOR THAT.  >> NO I THINK WE'RE GOOD WITH  INFORMATION THAT YOU GIVE  DIRECTION DISCUSSED IN  CONSENSUS TO WHAT WE NEED TO  BRING BACK TO YOU WILL KEEP  YOU POSTED THAT WE CAN GET IT  ON THE BOARD IF MEANING 7  BEATING OR. OKAY ALL OTHER  QUESTIONS.  >> AT WHICH MODEL DO WE WANT  TO GO IF NOT TALKING ABOUT  >> WELL.  >> IT SOUNDS LIKE THE DIRECT  AND YOU'VE GIVEN US IS TO GO  FIGURE OUT A WAY TO FIT WITH A  120 TO MAKE THIS YEAH.  COMMISSIONER RICHARD YOU HAVE  ANY OTHER THINGS TO GET  BACKING OFF OF THAT YEAH I  WANT PUT UP CONSENSUS THANK  THE.  >> EVERYBODY THAT'S  PARTICIPATED IN THIS SAID YES  TO MAKE SURE GOING FORWARD THE  INFORMATION THAT WE'RE USING  IT IS TOO.  >> GO WITH THE 122 MILLION  DOLLAR MODEL AND. DISREGARD  OTHER ONES FOR NOW WHILE THE  INFORMATION'S COMING BACK  BECAUSE WE'RE SEEKING THE  122 MILLION AND THEN IF WE  HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS AFTER  THAT WHEN THE INFORMATION  PROPOSED THAT WE DO SO BUT  LET'S GO FORWARD LOOKING AT  THAT THE MAJOR MODEL I SAID  YOU WANT THAT'S MY CONSENT GET  FORM A CONSENSUS OF THAT THAT  IS BOARD DECIDES TO GO AHEAD  AND PURSUE 122 MILLION DOLLARS  MODEL FOR THE NEW POLICE  STATION OK VICE YES, AND YES,  I'M A YES, BUT.  >> GET CHECK TO CHANGE  ADDITIONAL I WANT BOTH THE  CONSENSUS RIGHT. THAT IS  SUBJECT TO CHANGE BASED ON THE  INFORMATION BEING BROUGHT AT A  FUTURE MEETING.  >> THAT'S WHY I SAID IN THE  BEGINNING BUT YES, ABSOLUTELY  I AGREE WITH. GUESS.  >> AND WE HAVE PART OF WHAT  STAFF IS GOING TO BE  RESEARCHING AS WHAT'S GOING TO  HAPPEN TO THOSE PROJECTS THAT  ARE BEING THAT ONLY THE PRICE  BOULEVARD I I LIKE IT WAS ONE  OR 2 OTHER ONES AND WHEN YOU  SEE THE ITEM OR ABOUT THAT  YESTERDAY.  >> THAT'S GOING TO COMING AN  COPE WELL OKAY YOU NEED TO  REVISE SIRTEX LIST SO WE CAN  TELL YOU WHAT EXACTLY ALL THE  CHANGES, OKAY.  >> DID YOU KNOW CONSENSUS TO  BRING THAT BACK COMMISSION  DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT SO IS  THERE ANYTHING ELSE. YOU FOR  THAT POLICE HEADQUARTERS FOR  AS MAYOR RIGHT. THE BOND  REFERENDUM. I DON'T THINK WE I  THINK WE'RE OKAY I THINK WE'VE  GOT ENOUGH BE BACK TO GO THE  NEW BACK SOMETHING THAT YOU  CAN.  >> I'M CONFIDENT IN THE TALK  ABOUT SOMETHING OKAY.  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL YOU  GOING TO. A LOT OF WHAT.  >> VICE MAYOR IS TALKING ABOUT  WELL IT'S 12 O'CLOCK YES I.  >> I'M HEARING EVERYTHING IS  DONE FOR PD BUT WE STILL HAVE  TO DISCUSS THE WORKING DRAFT  FOR THE BOND REFERENDUM. AND  IT'S 12 O'CLOCK I DON'T KNOW  IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A 10 I  DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT  CONVERSATION IS GOING BE IT'S  PROBABLY GOING TO NEED A  HEALTH BREAK BEFORE WE START  TO MAYBE EVEN A LUNCH BREAK I  I DON'T KNOW.  >> WE SURE WHAT DO YOU THINK  WHAT DO YOU WANT AND 3130  MINUTES.  >> I'M JUST TAKE A BREAK  RIGHT. OKAY, ONLY SAW A OKAY  SO AND THEN IF THEY WITH THAT.  RIGHT.  >> ARE GOING UP TO 10 INTO THE  LEAD ALL RIGHT WELL, 70 WILL  BE BACK THEY'RE BACK AND FLOAT  WHEN WE LAUNCHED THIS PROGRAM  I THE ONLY ONE IN THE STATE  THAT WAS ACTUALLY TEACHING  THIS MILESTONE PROGRAM SO YOU  WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO  OUR NORTH ROTARY AS WELL WHO  SPONSORED THIS PROGRAM HERE AT  THE AQUATIC CENTER AND  ACTUALLY PAY FOR A TRAINER TO  COME ALL THE WAY FROM NEBRASKA  RIVERS PROGRAM ORIGINATES  THERE WE PRACTICE AND WE GO  THROUGH WHAT'S CALLED  MILESTONES HERE SO AS SOON AS  THE KIDS PROGRESSIVE, THE  MILESTONE CAN CONTINUE MOVING  ON THROUGH THEM AND AT THE END  OF IT IT'S A PRETTY AWESOME  PROGRAM WHEN THEY GRADUATE IS  ONE OF THE FINAL THINGS THAT  THEY DO IS THEY JUMP IN FULLY  CLOTHED AND THEY HAVE TO TURN  OVER ROLL OVER ON THE BACK AND  ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO SCREAM FOR  HELP AND THAT POINT IN TIME,  IT'S JUST AN AWESOME SEGMENT  PROGRAM THAT LEADS RIGHT INTO  OUR LEARN TO SWIM PROGRAM SO  THAT WAY WE CAN MAKE SURE  WE'RE KEEPING OUR KIDS SAFE IN  ON AND AROUND THE WATER.  >> FRANK THOMAS ALWAYS MANAGER  I AM HERE TODAY WITH ON MARIO  TELL PEOPLE HERE HAVE ONLY  BEEN DOING THIS JOB, I'VE BEEN  HERE 5 YES 5 YEARS EXCELLENT  ♪ EXCELLENT SO MARIO TELL PEOPLE  WHAT IT ENTAILS WHAT YOU DO.  THE PLAN IS SCHEDULED FOR  SOLID WASTE THE CITY AND ON MY  GO OUT AND I AGREE THE NEW  RESIDENTS TONIGHT, EDUCATE  THEM ON RECYCLE EXCELLENT  SOUNDS INTERESTING VERY AREA  WHEN HE FOUND INSIDE THE  RECYCLING BIN SHOULDN'T BE  THERE SO LET'S TRY TO TELL  PEOPLE HOW TO RECYCLE MOST  COMMON THING I FIND FRANK  PLASTIC BAGS.  >> SO START TO NOT RECYCLABLE  I FIND JUST POSTING THE  CONTAINER OR THE BAD THE  RECYCLE WITH HIM AND MISSION  DECIDEDLY COUNTRY THAT'S RIGHT  INSIDE THE BLUE CONTAINERS.  AND THEY SHOULD BE YOU TAKEN  BACK TO THE GROCERY STORE OR  TOSS IN THE TRASH EVERY YOU  SEE A LOT OF RECYCLING INSIDE  THE CONTAINERS OF I COME  ACROSS A LOT OF OK YOU DON'T  WANT TO DO THAT SO.  >> OKAY, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY  QUESTIONS YOU CAN ALWAYS LOOK  AT OUR WEBSITE WW DOT NORTH  PORT FLORIDA DOT GOV SLASH  SOLID WASTE.  ♪ >> I'M STACEY LOSO I'M THE  EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT  COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT AND WE'RE GOING  TO TALK ABOUT WHY IT'S  IMPORTANT TO HAVE A GO KIT AND  WHAT SHOULD GO INSIDE OF IT,  IT'S IMPORTANT HAVE A GO BAG  BECAUSE IF YOU WAIT LAST  MINUTE TO PACK THEY'RE  DEFINITELY GOING TO BE ITEMS  THAT YOU'RE GOING TO FORGET  AND THE SCRAMBLE TO GET PUT  TOGETHER SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO  YOUR DOCUMENTS SUCH AS ID'S  INSURANCE PAPERWORK TITLES FOR  YOUR HOME AND YOUR VEHICLES  AND YOUR BOATS JUST SO THAT IF  YOUR HOME DOES FLOOD OR ALL  THOSE DOCUMENTS ARE WITH YOU  AND THEY'RE SAFE BECAUSE YOU  DON'T WANT TO END UP LOSING  THOSE AND HAVING TO TRY TO  REPLACE THOSE LATER ON ALSO IN  YOUR GO BAG THAT YOU SHOULD  THINK ABOUT WHAT MEDICATIONS  YOU MIGHT NEED TO HAVE AHEAD  OF TIME FOR UNDER A STATE OF  EMERGENCY YOU ARE ABLE TO  REFILL PRESCRIPTIONS AHEAD OF  TIME EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT DO  YET SO ITS IMPORTANT TO DO  THAT ALSO IN YOUR GO BAGS YOU  SHOULD HAVE NON-PERISHABLE  FOOD FLASHLIGHT BATTERIES, A  RADIO THAT IS BATTERY POWERED  AND EXTRA BATTERIES SHOULD ALL  POWER GO OUT WE WILL BE ABLE  TO BROADCAST ON 97.5 FM ANY  EMERGENCY INFORMATION SO BE  SURE TO HAVE BATTERY POWERED  RADIO READY IN TUNED IN TO 97  POINT.  ♪ >> I'M STACEY LOS ALE AND THE  EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT  COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT AND I'M GOING TO  TELL YOU THE DIFFERENCE  BETWEEN PLUG DOWNS AND  EVACUATION ZONES ARE IN  SARASOTA COUNTY. WE CALL THEM  EVACUATION LEVELS. SO FLOOD  ZONES ARE GENERATED BY FEMA  AND THEY'RE USED TO DETERMINE  THE LIKELIHOOD THAT YOU'LL  FLOOD  ♪ AND THEY'RE USED TO DETERMINE  IF YOU NEED FLOOD INSURANCE IF  YOU HAVE A MORTGAGE ON YOUR  HOME. NOW THE EVACUATION ZONES  ARE BASED ON STORM SURGE DATA  THAT COMES FROM THE NATIONAL  HURRICANE CENTER. AND THEY USE  TOPOGRAPHY AS WELL AS  HURRICANE VULNERABILITY FOR  STORM SURGE FOR THE AREA AND  WE USE THOSE TO DETERMINE WHO  NEEDS TO EVACUATE DURING A  STORM SO IT'S IMPORTANT TO  UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A  DIFFERENCE IF YOU'RE  INTERESTED IN FINDING OUT WHAT  EVACUATION ZONE YOU ARE AND  WHICH WE HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU  DO. YOU CAN USE YOUR SEARCH  ENGINE OF CHOICE. AND TYPE  SARASOTA COUNTY KNOW YOUR  LEVEL AND THAT WILL TAKE YOU  TO THE SARASOTA COUNTY  GOVERNMENT WEBSITE.  ♪ >> WATER IN US WELL THAT'S  KIND OF THE MY YOUR HOUSE IS  NOT FLOODING.  ♪ WITHIN US AFTER  ♪ STORM EVENT WATER SHOULD BE IN  THAT SWELL UP TO 72 HOURS  AFTER THE STORM. THAT ALLOWS  THE FILTER TO GET THE STUFF  CAME FOR ROOM AND THE ROAD OUT  OF THE WATER SO THAT WHEN  REACHES THE  ♪ HABITAT IT NO LONGER HAS THOSE  CONTAMINANTS AND ALSO PROVIDES  AN OPPORTUNITY TO SLOW DOWN  WATERS SO THAT THE WATER  DOESN'T GO SO FAST THAT THEIR  ROADS. ROADWAYS OR ANY OTHER  INFRASTRUCTURE, SO WHEN YOU  SEE WATER IN IT'S ONLY YOU  KNOW UP TO  ♪ 72 HOURS SINCE THE LAST RAIN  THAT IS NOT LETTING THAT IS  DOING ITS JOB.  >> MINE IN THE VAN PULL IT  FROM PRODUCT FACILITY MANAGER  WITH THE CITY OF NORTH PORT  AND TODAY WE'RE GOING TO BE  TALKING WITH YOU GUYS ABOUT  OUR FREE SWIM EVALUATION. IT'S  IMPORTANT THAT WE DO NEED FROM  A VALUATION SO KIDS  REGISTERING FOR SWIM PROGRAMS  THEY GET PLACED IN THE RIGHT  CLASS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT  DOING A SOMETHING THAT YOU  ATION IS EVERY SWIM LEVEL HAS  WHAT'S CALLED EXIT SKILL  ASSESSMENTS. SO WHAT WE DO IS  WE HAVE YOUR CHILD GET IN THE  WATER AND WILL GO THROUGH A  SERIES OF DIFFERENT MOVEMENTS  CAN YOU GO INTO THE WATER I  CAN YOU SHOW US YOUR PHONE  CALL CAN YOU SHOW US BACK ALL  SHOWS ELEMENTARY BACK  DIFFERENT STROKES WITHIN AND  WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE  TRYING TO YOUR CHILD TEST TO  BEFORE IT BECOMES A CHALLENGE  FOR AT THAT POINT WHAT WE  ASSESS THAT THAT WILL LET YOU  KNOW AND YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND  SIGN YOUR CHILD UP FOR THAT  APPROPRIATE LEVEL THERE. IT'S  IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THESE  SO THAT WAY WHEN WE'RE  TEACHING A LEVEL ONE WE DON'T  HAVE KIDS THAT SHOULD  POTENTIALLY A LEVEL 2 AND  LEVEL ONE CLASS BECAUSE  THEY'RE NOT LEARNING THE  APPROPRIATE SKILLS THAT THEY  NEEDED THAT POINT IN TIME  RIGHT NOW WHEN WE'RE IN FULL  SUMMER WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE  COME BETWEEN 8.10 DEDUCE FROM  EVALUATION JUST AS YOU CAN  HEAR THE WATER SPLASHING IN  THE BACKGROUND SLIDE.  EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT ANY  DAY OF THE THAT OPEN YOU CAN  COME IN AT ANY POINT IN TIME  ENOUGH FOR SOME EVALUATIONS WE  ALWAYS HAVE A CERTIFIED SO  MUCH DOCTOR ON SITE THAT CAN I  HAVE YOUR CHILD TAKE A SWIM  ASSESSMENT.  ♪ >> I'M STACEY LASALLE AND THE  EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT  COORDINATOR FOR THE CITY  OF NORTH PORT AND I'M GOING TO  BE TALKING ABOUT HAVING AN  EVACUATION PLAN IT'S A POINT  HAVE AN EVACUATION PLAN AHEAD  OF TIME AND IT'S VERY  IMPORTANT TO WRITE IT DOWN  BECAUSE THAT WAY YOU HAVE IT  SOMEWHERE PRESENT EVERYBODY IN  YOUR FAMILY CAN SEE IT AND  KEEP IT FRESH IN THEIR MINDS  AND YOU ALSO SHARED WITH  PEOPLE IN YOUR FAMILY OR YOUR  NEIGHBORS SO THAT THEY KNOW  WHAT YOUR PLANS ARE AHEAD OF  TIME AND HOW TO GET A HOLD OF  YOUR WAY TO LOOK FOR YOU AFTER  DISASTER FOR YOUR EVACUATION  YOU SHOULD HAVE MULTIPLE  ROUTES TO GET TO LOCATION.  YOU'RE PLANNING TO GO TO JUST  BECAUSE TRAFFIC WAS TRAFFIC ON  75 MIGHT BE GRIDLOCKED THERE  COULD BE SOME VERY GOOD BACK  ROADS TO GET TO WHERE YOU'RE  GOING THAT COULD GET YOU THERE  MORE QUICKLY WITHOUT BEING  STUCK IN TRAFFIC WHEN YOU'RE  MAKING EVACUATION PLAN. WE  USUALLY TELL YOU 4 DIFFERENT  THINGS YOU SHOULD STAY HOME IF  YOU ARE NOT IN HIS OWN THAT'S  BEING EVACUATED AND IF YOUR  HOME IS BUILT TO WITHSTAND THE  FORECASTED STORM IF YOU CAN  STAY HOME. AND YOU EVACUATE  YOUR NEXT OPTION SHOULD BE TO  GO TO A FRIEND OR FAMILY HOME  THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE  EVACUATION AREA AND IT IS  STRUCTURALLY SOUND TO US AND  THE STORM 3RD OPTION WOULD BE  GO TO A HOTEL. THEY'RE MUCH  MORE COMFORTABLE THAN I BACK  AWAY SHUNS CENTER'S 4TH OPTION  WOULD BE TO GO TO ONE OF OUR  EVACUATION CENTER SARASOTA  COUNTY HAS FALLEN BACK AWAY  SHUNS CENTER'S. THOSE CAN BE  FOUND ON THEIR WEBSITE.  >> WHY DO WE FLOOD. DURING  SIGNIFICANT RAIN EVENTS PORT  NEARLY ALWAYS FLOODS IN  CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY.  THIS IS THANKS TO THE LOCALLY  NAMED MYAKKA HATCHEE CREEK  ALSO KNOWN AS THE BIG SLEW  WATERSHED.  >> THE 195 SQUARE MILE  DRAINAGE AREA FLOWS THROUGH  DESOTO MANATEE AND SARASOTA  COUNTIES THEN THROUGH OUR CITY  TO EXIT AT CHARLOTTE HARBOR.  AS THE CITY OF NORTH PORT IS  LOCATED AT THE LOW END OF THE  BIG SLEW WATERSHED DRAINAGE  SYSTEM. THE CITY'S CURRENT  FLOODING AND WATER QUALITY  CONDITIONS ARE ATTRIBUTED NOT  ONLY TO THE CITY'S TROPHY BUT  ALSO OFTEN THE TEEN OUR  WORKSHOP HAS  >> WE WANT TO MOVE ON TO BE.  REFERENDUMS. DISCUSSION. CITY  MANAGER DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING  TO. ACTUALLY OR STARTED  STOPPED.  >> YES, MA'AM HE TO THAT YOU  SEE ITEM YOU WILL SEE THE  LATEST RAT.  >> THAT HAS BEEN WORKING ON  FROM THE LAST CONVERSATION  THAT WE HAD REGARDING.  EXCEPTING THE LANGUAGE  REGARDING PUBLIC SAFETY IN  DISASTER RECOVERY SO PUBLIC  SAFETY WAS MENTIONED IN  REFERENCE TO I THINK IT'S  28 MILLION DOLLARS FOR  PROJECTS LIKE COUNTY DOES AND  THE EMERGENCY DISASTER  RECOVERY DID NOT HAVE A CAP ON  IT ALL. SO IN ADDITION TO THAT  LANGUAGE IN YOUR DISCUSSION  KEEPING THAT MOVE THE BOARD  YOU ALSO HAVE THE MIDST OF  BONDING SO FROM IS A  REFERENDUM THAT VICE MAYOR  STILL LIKE TALK ABOUT. AND IF  YOU WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN  ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS  REGARDING SIRTEX QUESTION OF  50 MILLION DOLLARS IN THE SAME  WAY WE DID BOWEN WINDING WE  COULD WE TOOK AS WELL. WHERE  ARE AND THE VICE MAYOR IN 2.  >> I WILL REITERATE WHAT I  SAID ABOUT YOU KNOW THIS UP  REFERENDUMS JUST THAT. WE DO  HAVE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE  CHARTER REVIEW BOARD WHICH  REALLY PRETTY MUCH MIRRORS  WHAT THE COUNTY USE AND AND I  BELIEVE A NUMBER OF  MUNICIPALITIES YOU KNOW AND IS  AN OPTION TO TAKE HERE. YOU  KNOW I WOULD ASSUME IF WE WORK  TO DO THIS.  >> OR.  >> UP BOTH CHARTER REVIEW  AMENDMENT, A CHARTER AMENDMENT  BASED ON PERMISSIVE PREP  EITHER PROBABLY MORE LIKE  NOVEMBER WHICH I THINK PUTS US  OUT AUGUST AS TO WHEN THAT  MEET THAT DEADLINE HITS I  REMEMBER CORRECTLY, BUT I'D BE  VERY INTERESTED TO HEAR. WHAT  MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS. ARE  ON THIS PREMISE OF REFERENDUM.  IF THEY SEE IT AS SOMETHING  EVEN VIABLE I DON'T WANT TO  WASTE A LOT OF COMMISSION  TIME. IF IF NOBODY THINKS IT'S  SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD SPEND  ANY TIME ON YOU WE DID GET A  LITTLE BIT INFORMATION THAT  SUPPLY THE 72 YOU GUYS BUT WE  HAVEN'T REALLY HAD ANY  CONVERSATIONS AND I DON'T  CHARTER REVIEW BOARDS EVEN  SEEN THIS YET AND THAT WOULD  CERTAINLY I WOULD BE  APPROPRIATE FOR THEM TO TAKE A  LOOK AT THIS AND SEE IF THEY  MIGHT NOT WANT TO COME BACK  AGAIN WITH THE RECOMMENDATION  OR YOU KNOW OPTION ONE OPTION  TO KIND OF THING. SO. THAT'S  REALLY ALL I JUST LIKE TO HEAR  WHAT EVERYBODY HAS THINK ABOUT  THIS.  >> THANK YOU COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL. VICE MAYOR AND I  WOULD LOVE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT  THIS PERMISSIVE BOND  REFERENDUM SUBJECT  UNFORTUNATELY, I'M NOT  PREPARED TO TALK ABOUT IT OR  GIVE YOU GIVE YOU OPINION ONE  WAY OR ANOTHER. I WOULD  DEFINITELY BE INTERESTED IN  EXPLORING LEARNING MORE ABOUT  IT. BUT TO HAVE THAT  CONVERSATION TODAY, I'LL ADMIT  I'M NOT  >> COULD WOULD BE APPROPRIATE  TO. THINK ABOUT A CONSENSUS  STAFF REACH OUT CALLED MILES  REALLY IS IS THIS THE PERSON  WHO EDUCATED ME ON THIS  WHETHER IT WOULD BE  APPROPRIATE FOR HIM OR WHETHER  IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO  SEND THIS TO THE CHARTER  REVIEW BOARD FOR INVESTIGATION  AND OR BOTH AND THEN  SUBSEQUENTLY BRING IT BACK TO  SEND ANOTHER YOU KNOW IN A  TIMELY FASHION BECAUSE AGAIN  IF WE'RE GOING TO WHAT TO DO A  CHARTER AMENDMENT IN. IN  NOVEMBER, WE ONLY REALLY HAVE  RELATIVELY SHORT WINDOW AND SO  SORT OF NEED TO KNOW WHETHER  IT'S JUST OPTION ONE HAS  PRESENTED OR WHETHER IS OPTION  TO CONSIDER.  >> IS IT SEPARATE FROM THE  BOND REFERENDUM DRAFT LANGUAGE  IS IT LIKE TO SEPARATE ANIMALS  OR IS IT WOULD IT WOULD REALLY  BE A CHARTER AMENDMENT JUST  LIKE WE ASKED CITIZENS TO  ALLOW US TO BORROW 28 BILLION  DOLLARS WITH CPI ADJUSTMENTS  AND WE'RE ASKING YOU TO ONE  AND OUR CHARTER.  >> CITIZENS TO ALLOW US TO DO  THIS. PREFER THE REFERENDUM  WOULD BE A CHARTER AMENDMENT  WE WOULD SET. REQUIREMENTS ON  PUBLIC NOTICE.  ON AMOUNT OF PETITION THAT  CITIZENS WOULD HAVE TIME TO  PUT THE PETITION TOGETHER AND  WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THIS VOTING  CITIZENS. IT WOULD TAKE TO  FORCE IT TO A PUBLIC  REFERENDUM. YOU KNOW NEW YORK  JUST 10% AND THEY I THINK 30  DAYS WE COULD GIVE OUR  CITIZENS 60 OR 90 WE COULD  TAKE THAT 10% DOWN TO 7% SO IT  TOOK LESS CITIZENS TO FORCE IT  TO A PUBLIC REFERENDUM BATTLE  IS DEVIL IN THE DETAILS BUT IT  WOULD REQUIRE AN ACTUAL FORMAL  CHARTER AMENDMENT TO DO SO.  >> CONSENSUS TO GET MORE  INFORMATION AND HAVE HIM BRING  IT FORWARD I THAT WOULD BE A  VERY WISE THING TO DO.  >> YEAH I WOULD AGREE WITH  THAT I FEEL ILL PREPARED  DISCUSS THAT TODAY AT CITY  ATTORNEY. THANK YOU MAYOR, I  JUST WANTED WEIGH IN ON A  COUPLE OF TOPICS THAT HAVE  BEEN BROUGHT UP THE FIRST IS  WHETHER OR NOT A CHARTER  AMENDMENT.  >> MUST BE PRESENTED AT  GENERAL ELECTION VERSUS A  SPECIAL ELECTION, OUR CHARTER  SPECIFICALLY PROVIDES THAT THE  COMMISSION SHALL HAVE  DISCRETION AS TO WHEN THE  REFERENDUM WILL OCCUR WHETHER  AT THE NEXT GENERAL ELECTION  OR A SPECIAL ELECTION CALLED  FOR THAT. BUT THIS. HAVE TO  ALLOW FOR THE APPROPRIATE  ADVERTISEMENTS AND NOTICES. SO  A SPECIAL ELECTION IS POSSIBLY  AN OPTION, YOU KNOW DEPENDING  ON TIMING. THE SECOND IS IF  YOU ARE INTERESTED PURSUING.  THIS QUESTION THE PERMISSIVE  REFERENDUM. THAT'S NOT  NECESSARILY SOMETHING BUT IT  READING OUR REQUIREMENTS WHAT  HAS TO GO BEFORE THE CHARTER  REVIEW ADVISORY BOARD  CERTAINLY COULD SEND THIS TO  THEM. IF YOU WANTED TO THEY  ARE YOUR ADVISORY BOARD  HOWEVER THEY HAVE ALREADY  WEIGHED IN ON THE GENERAL  TOPIC ABOUT YOU KNOW POSSIBLE  CHARTER AMENDMENT TO THIS  LEVEL OF AUTHORITY SO. IN  READING THE REQUIREMENTS HERE  I DON'T THINK YOU NECESSARILY  BE REQUIRED TO DO THAT. BUT  CERTAINLY YOU COULD DO THAT IF  IT WERE YOUR WELL. THAT WITH  RESPECT TO THIS PERMISSIVE  REFERENDUM SKEEN WE DID RUN  THIS BY OUR BOND COUNCIL.  WHOSE ENTIRE PRACTICE REVOLVES  AROUND THE BONDING THAT SAYS  HIS SPECIAL THE SERVICE  OUTSIDE ONE COUNSEL FOR THE  CITY FOR MANY MANY MANY YEARS  SO FOR MANY IN CITIES ACROSS  THE STATE AND HE HAD NEVER  SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS IN THE  STATE OF FLORIDA. BUT DID NOT  IDENTIFY ANY LEGAL  RESTRICTIONS FROM DOING THIS.  SO WE DON'T HAVE. AT LEAST  THROUGH BOND COUNCIL WERE NOT  ABLE TO DISCOVER ANY SORT OF  MODEL THAT WE COULD LOOK AT  ANOTHER INTO THAT WE CAN YOU  KNOW TALKED ABOUT HOW THIS IS  WORKING. IN FLORIDA. BUT ALSO  WE DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING THAT  WOULD PROHIBIT YOU FROM DOING  THIS WITH RESPECT TO WHAT THIS  BE IN LIEU OF THE WORKING  LANGUAGE THAT'S PROVIDED IN  THE A AGENDA BACKUP. IT SORT  OF DEPENDS ON HOW YOU WANT TO  GO. I THINK IT'S BEEN  PRESENTED IN THE MEMO AS A  COMPLETELY NEW AND SEPARATE  SCHEME IN PLACE OF WHAT WE'VE  PRESENTED TO THE MEMO THAT  TODD MILES WROTE IN SOME  THOUGHT TO THE ENTIRE BOARD BY  SOMEONE. YOU KNOW IF IF YOU  WANT TO DO IT THAT WAY THAT.  THAT'S AN OPTION THERE MIGHT  BE A HYBRID OPTION TO WHERE  YOU REQUIRE YOU KNOW THAT THIS  PROCESS IN CERTAIN  CIRCUMSTANCES AND ANOTHER  PROCESS AND DIFFERENT  CIRCUMSTANCES. YOU KNOW THAT  WOULD REALLY BE UP TO YOU AND  WE WOULD CERTAINLY PROVIDE YOU  ARE OUR LEGAL ADVICE UPON  ANALYZING. WHAT YOU'LL BE  INTERESTED IN DOING. I MEAN  THAT'S IT OTHERWISE JUST I  THINK YOU'RE ALL AWARE THAT  WE'RE IN WE CERTAINLY STILL  HAVE TIME BUT TIME IS SHORT  WHETHER YOU WANT TO GO TO THE  PRIMARY OR THE GENERAL. STILL  NOT. NOT VERY LONG CONSIDERING  THAT WE HAVE TO REALLY WORK TO  PROPERLY WORDSMITH THE ACTUAL  CHARTER AMENDMENT AND THAT  THAT IT'S A LOT OF  COORDINATION AMONG COUNCIL AND  AND STAFF AND OF COURSE YOU  ALL YOU COME BACK TO THE  ORDINANCE AND THEN ALSO  CRAFTING THE BALLOT LANGUAGE  WHICH IS ART AND OF AS WELL  THOSE ARE BUT QUITE TIME  CONSUMING SO TIME IS OF THE  ESSENCE OF YOU PARTICULARLY IF  YOU'RE INTERESTED IN GOING  DOWN THIS NEW ROUTE THAT WE  HAVE NOT YET WORD SNAPPED AND  IT SEEMS TO BE YOU KNOW UNIQUE  AND POSSIBLY BARRED FROM OUT  OF STATE BUT WE'RE NOT AWARE  THAT IN STATE MODEL.  >> I JUST WANTED TO TO WEIGH  IN THAT IT SAYS. IF WE WANT TO  FALL THE COUNTY MODELS A PART  OF INFORMATION COMING IN GET.  >> CONFIRMATION ON THE  CONSENSUS. I THINK IT KIND OF  LIKE SORRY WHAT WOULD THAT  AGAIN CONSENSUS WAS THAT STAFF  LOOK INTO. FOR MISSING FOR A  FRIEND COMES. AND OR. SEND TO  CHARTER REVIEW BOARD AND THAT  WE WILL READ YOUR BRING IT  BACK TO US A POSSIBLE OPTION.  AND THEN WE JUST. AND THAT WE  DIDN'T REALLY NEED AND IN FACT  THE CHARTER REVIEW THEY NASER  IT'S THINK PRO NOT REQUIRED IT  THAT WE DO BECAUSE AGAIN.  >> THERE ARE BOARD THEIR THERE  THAT YOU THEY DON'T KNOW  ANYTHING ABOUT PERMISSIVE  REFERENDUMS NOT BECAUSE NO NOT  RIGHT. NONE OF DID. YOU KNOW  JUST SO HAPPENED THAT. WAS ON  COUNCIL IN NEW YORK WHERE THIS  IS USED REGULARLY. THEY THIS  IS WHAT THEY DO FOR REVENUE  BONDING AND IT'S A WAY TO  ALLOW CITIZENS TO MAINTAIN  THEIR CONTROL OF THE SAME  TIME. YOU KNOW MAKE IT A LOT  EASIER. AND NOT HAVE TO GO OUT  TO ASK PERMISSION EVERY TIME  YOU WANT TO BORROW MONEY.  SIDE. SO I MEAN NONE OF US  KNOW ABOUT THIS I JUST THINK  IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THEM  REVEAL WHAT LOOK INTO IT  THEY'RE SMART PEOPLE TO LET  HIM COME BACK AND DECIDE YOU  KNOW WE DON'T WANT TO PROMISE  OF REFERENDUMS WE DON'T  SUGGEST THAT WE JUST WANT YOU  TO REVIEW, WE'D SUGGEST YOU DO  IN OUR RECOMMENDATION OPTION  WANT WHEN THEY MAY COME BACK  AND SAY YOU KNOW IT'S  COMMISSION'S DECISION HERE THE  2 YEARS WHAT WE SEE AS THE  PROS AND CONS SO I DO BELIEVE  THEY SHOULD BE INCLUDED AND  THAT THAT WOULD BE MY ASK AS A  CONSENSUS THAT WE. INSTRUCT  STAFF TO PLEASE FORWARD  INFORMATION THAT'S BEEN  PROVIDED TO. THEM AS WELL AS  CITY ATTORNEY TAKE A LOOK  THERE IS NO FLORIDA MODEL FOR  THIS NOT A STATE. AND THEN  COME BACK. LET'S TAKE A LOOK  AND SEE IF IT'S A VIABLE  OPTION THAT'S ALL.  >> AND WITH THAT INFORMATION  INCLUDE THE COUNTY MODEL  ATTRACT FAIR. READY.  >> AND THE I WAS DIFFERENT  MAYOR, THAT'S THE THAT YOU  HEARD ABOUT THE PREVIOUS  WORKSHOP RIGHT. WHERE YOU KNOW  THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO TO  REFERENDUM UP TO A CERTAIN  DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT FLEX INC.  OVER  >> OKAY SO THERE'S OUR  CONSENSUS. OUR COMMISSIONER  EMERGE THAT I GET SOMETHING  FROM YOU.  >> OKAY AND YOU'RE YES OF YES  FOR THAT I MEAN YES.  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL.  >> YEAH, I MEAN, YES I'M NOT  TOO KEEN ON SENDING IT TO  CHARTER REVIEW UNTIL AFTER WE  KNOW MORE ABOUT IT I THINK YOU  KNOW WHAT I THINK WE NEED TO  KIND OF. I'M JUST SAY YEAH  LET'S SEND IT TO CHARTER GAY,  LET'S NOT DO THIS OR YES,  LET'S GO FOR IT, YOU KNOW I  THINK WE NEED TO KIND DID  OURSELVES BEFORE SENDING IT TO  TURN TO REVIEW, BUT.  >> JUST YOU KNOW WHAT THEM IN  MY CONSENSUS, I THAT I JUST  YOU KNOW WANT EXCLUDE THEM.  >> RIGHT I'M TRYING TO EXEMPT  EITHER. I JUST YEAH, MEAN  LET'S FACE IT.  >> IF THIS COMMISSION IS IS  THE ONE WHO WOULD HAVE TO MAKE  A DECISION ULTIMATELY AS TO  WHETHER OR NOT WHAT IT WAS A  VIABLE OPTION TO WHETHER OR  NOT WE HAVE AND TAKE THE  APPROACH THAT THE CHARTER  REVIEW BOARD  HAS RECOMMENDED WHICH IS A OR  A PREFERRED VERY A PERMIT FOR  MISSING REFERENDUM WHICH MIGHT  BE OPTION TOO. I JUST FELT  THAT IT MIGHT BE A LITTLE ON  SHARE TO THEM. LEARN A LOT  MORE ABOUT THIS WITHOUT THEM  HAVING THE BENEFIT OF LEARNING  ABOUT ANY OF IT AND THEN IT.  TO DECIDE TO MAKE A DECISION  IN ONE DIRECTION BECAUSE TIME  IS SHORT ON IS NOT RIGHT FOR  IT AND THEN HAVE THEM SAY I  MEAN WTOL POLITICAL YOU  WORDING LIKE NO ONE EVEN TOLD  US ABOUT THIS IDEA IT I'LL  CHANGE MY NAME REMOVED  GOODNESS THINK YOU CAN SEND  GET IT DONE AND WILL GO FROM  THERE AND I JUST THINK IT  TURNED AROUND PRETTY QUICK.  HOPEFULLY YOU KNOW GO LEAST  LOOK INTO WHAT WE HAVE SOME  QUESTIONS.  >> IT'S COVER CITY ATTORNEY.  >> IF YOU'RE STILL MAKE OKAY.  COMMISSIONER LANGDON.  >> I HAVE TOTALLY LOST TRACK  OF WHERE WE'RE 80 STILL IN THE  CONSENSUS WITH THAT  >> I WE TO COMMENTING ON THE.  YES, THANK DRAFT LANGUAGE I  HAVE COUPLE THOUGHTS TO GO  AHEAD. ONE IS IS 28 MILLION  THE RIGHT NUMBER. GIVEN I KNOW  WHAT'S PER PROJECT GIVEN HOW  CAPITAL PROJECTS ARE AND I'M  JUST QUESTIONING. I DON'T HAVE  A NUMBER AND MY MIND, I'M JUST  POKING AT IT A LITTLE BIT  BECAUSE WHEN THANK POLICE  HEADQUARTERS WHEN I THINK OF  THE NUMBER OF WATER STRUCTURES  THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED  FAXED. 28 MILLION BARELY  SCRATCHES THE SURFACE AND AND  WE HAVE YOU KNOW FIRE AND  RESCUE COMING THAT THAT WILL  BE FALLING INTO A DIFFERENT  BUCKET BUT I'M JUST SORT  POKING AT THAT INTERESTED. AND  WHAT MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS  HAVE TO SAY.  >> AND THEN AT THE VERY AND  TYING IT TO THE ENGINEERING  NOSE AND RECORD CONSTRUCTION  COST INDEX. I'M CLUELESS AS TO  WHAT.  ♪ >> I REALLY LIKE TO  ♪ >> BETTER UNDERSTAND HOW THEY  INDEX THOSE COSTS. CONSUMER  PRICE INDEX I GET I THINK THE  GENERAL PUBLIC WILL GET THAT  BUT I CAN GET THIS I DOUBT THE  GENERAL PUBLIC GET THAT I  WOULD LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF AN  EXPLANATION AS TO HOW THAT'S  CALCULATED AND HOW IT WORKS  AND THEN JUST A GENERAL  COMMENT, I KNOW THE DEVIL'S IN  THE DETAILS AND WE NEED TO  SPELL ALL OF US OUT BUT.  WHENEVER I'VE SEEN. REFERENDUM  LANGUAGE HOME, SO COMPLICATED.  AND I DON'T KNOW IF IS AND THE  MODELS FOR.  >> SO EXPLAINING WHAT IT IS  AND THEN GETTING INTO THE  DETAILS I THINK SOMETIMES WHEN  I READ THROUGH THEM, I GET  TANGLED UP AND THIS IS  INCLUDED ARE THIS IS NOT  INCLUDED  >> YOU KNOW JUST A GENERAL  COMMENT THAT I THINK THIS IS A  LOT TO ABSORB. AND I DON'T  KNOW IF THERE ARE AND THE  GENERAL WAYS WE CAN MAKE IT  MORE DIGESTIBLE BY THE GENERAL  PUBLIC. SO THOSE ARE MY  COMMENTS TURNING THIS PROVIDES  SOME CLARITY COMMISSIONER  LANGDON SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING  AT THE BACKUP IS A DRAFT OF  THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE  ACTUAL LANGUAGE TO CHARTER.  THIS IS THIS IS THAT WILL BE  PART OF THE ORDINANCE THAT IS  PAST US AND THAT'S WHAT OCCURS  THE LANGUAGE FOR THE  REFERENDUM. THAT'S RIGHT AND  WILL BE AVAILABLE WORK WILL  HAVE THAT WE HAVE THE OPTION  PUTTING ON OUR WEBSITE BUT ARE  REQUIRED.  >> TO CLERK. THERE THIS IS NOT  THE BALLOT QUESTION. THANK YOU  AND TO BALLOT QUESTIONS CAN  ALSO BE VERY CONFUSING TO  THERE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE  CERTAIN LEGAL BUT WE ALSO HAVE  A CHARACTER MAXIMUM I CAN ONLY  BE SO SO WORDS YOU KNOW YOU  MAY YOU MAY VERY WELL HAVE  THAT SAME COMMENT WHEN YOU YES  BUT THIS IS NOT WHAT PEOPLE  WILL BE LOOKING AT *****, IT'S  GOING TO BE ON OCCASIONS SO  CAN SOMEONE.  >> EXPLAIN DNR TO ME AND HOW  THAT'S CALCULATED THEM. HOW  ITS INDEX ALL OF THAT I WOULD  APPRECIATE IT. IT'S BEEN  TAKING YOUR.  >> DEPUTY CITY MANAGER JAYCE  NEVER GOING TO COME IN.  >> GIVE IT A SHOT. GOOD  AFTERNOON COMMISSIONERS  HELPFUL. CITY MANAGER.  >> ARES BASED IN NEWS OF  RECORD OR REVIEW. IT'S A  MAGAZINE. IT'S A INDEX THAT IS  TYPICALLY USED BY WATER FOR  PLACES. I USE THAT TO INDEX.  THE PREVIOUS JURISDICTION 4  AND DEC IMPACT FEES TO IT  BECAUSE THE IN OUR INDEX AS  FOR CAPITAL CONSTRUCTION COSTS  WHICH IS KIND OF WHAT YOU WANT  TO YOUR WAY TO NOT SERVE THE  CPSC GOT YOU KNOW BILL THAT  THAT HEART WITH CAPITAL  CONTROLS ACROSS IT'S EASY TO  GO GOT AND YOU KNOW OUR AS IS  JUST STAND FOR MULTIPLE  DECADES. AND IT IS PUT OUT BY  PUBLICATION AND THAT'S KIND OF  THE GO-TO FOR  >> CAPITAL INCLUDED IN THAT  DOESN'T INCLUDE DESIGN COST  COMES A COST SHARE TEARY UL'S  IT WAS KIND OF.  >> GENERALITIES AND GOING A  COUPLE TRUCKS APPROACH. THANK  YOU FOR THAT. GOING WORK.  ♪ WITH THAT WE  ♪ SHOULD NOW.  >> IS THAT YEN ARE. HE AN ARE  BASED ON A SPECIFIC AREA OR IS  IT A NATIONWIDE NATIONWIDE.  MONTH. C IN CPI IS IS  SOMETIMES IT'S GEARED TOWARDS  A SPECIFIC AREA ABSOLUTELY BUT  MILK MILK AND BREAD, BUT IT  ISN'T GOING TO DO WITH  BUILDING I UNDERSTAND LIKE  WHAT MY FOLLOW-UP QUESTION IS  THING IN OUR IS NATIONWIDE.  >> MAYBE MAYBE SEATTLE AREAS  EXPERIENCING SOMETHING FLORIDA  ISN'T EXPERIENCING. BUT WERE  LUMPED INTO THOSE INCREASES  WHERE CPI GET HIS BREAD MILK.  BUT IT'S AREA, SPECIFIC IS  THERE A MAKES OF THE 2 WHERE  IT'S AREA SPECIFIC FOR  CONSTRUCTION COST MAKE PROPER  ROUTE. AND YOU'RE RIGHT YOU  CAN MAKE POT ROAD.  >> I'M ASKING YOU I'VE NEVER  SEEN IT DONE THAT WAY, BUT YOU  COULD I MEAN I MEAN I DON'T  SEE COULDN'T I. I WILL SAY.  ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE  SEEN NATIONWIDE. SPECIAL FAR  FAR USED TO BE. A DEAL YOU  KNOW WHAT WE'VE SEEN WITH  CONSTRUCTION IS KIND OF  LEVELING OUT WHEN THERE'S THIS  REGIONAL DIFFERENCES BUT.  >> IT'S BECOME A LOT LESS  REGIONALIZED AND MORE  MODERNIZED WITH WITH  CONSTRUCTION COSTS. THAT'S  WHAT YOU PAY IN FLORIDA. FOR  SUMMER WHICH PAY AND I OR  THINGS THAT CHANGED COST  THINGS ARE REALLY GOING VERSUS  BACK IN THE DAY, YOU KNOW 20  YEARS AGO WHERE YOU GET SOME  REALLY REGIONAL DIFFERENCES OF  TRUCKS ACROSS THAT'S THE SAME.  >> ONE OF THANK YOU FOR THAT  ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS  THINKING ABOUT IS IS SUPPOSED  TO USE IN THE DNR IT SAYS  EVERY YEAR. I WAS LOOKING FOR  PROBABLY COMPROMISE BECAUSE  CONSTRUCTION IS FLUCTUATES SO  IT'S DOING IT LIKE A 3 YEAR  AVERAGE AS OPPOSED TO JUST  EVERY SINGLE YEAR. THAT WE'VE  BEEN TOO IT'S IT'S A LITTLE  BIT MORE EVEN KEEL AND WE KNOW  WHEN WE'RE GOING TO BUDGET  THINGS EVERY 3 YEARS OR EVERY  5 YEARS THAT GETS INCREASED OR  AND THE OTHER QUESTION IS DOES  IT GO DOWN.  >> WAS EVERYBODY TALKS IT CAN  GO UP IT'S GOING GO OUT BUT  UP.  >> THERE IS TIMES WHERE IT HAS  GONE DOWN CPI HAS GONE DOWN SO  I WOULD ASSUME THE  CONSTRUCTION COSTS HAVE ALSO  GONE DOWN. SO THAT IS NOT  TALKED ABOUT IN HERE.  >> I WOULD A LOOKING TO  PROBABLY DO IT FOR AVERAGE OF  3 YEARS. WHAT THAT THE NRA'S.  AND ALSO PUTTING A PROVISION  IN THERE THAT IT CAN GO DOWN.  THE OTHER THINGS THAT I WAS  CONCERNED ABOUT.  >> IS.  >> SUPER MAJORITY VOTE BY THE  COMMISSION. BUT THEN I KIND OF  WENT WAIT A MINUTE. THIS  LANGUAGE DOESN'T EVEN GIVE THE  AUTHORITY TO THE COMMISSION.  THERE'S NOTHING IN HERE SAYING  THE COMMISSION WILL DECIDE OR  THE CITY MANAGER WILL DECIDE  OR FINANCE WILL DECIDE. IT'S  TAKING AWAY FROM THE CITIZENS,  BUT IT SAYING THE CITY WHO  EXACTLY IS THAT. AND IF IT'S  THE COMMISSION WILL MAKE THE  AUTHORITY'S DECISION I WOULD  THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE SPELLED  OUT IN HERE.  >> THE OTHER THING IS IS IF IF  IT IS INTENDED AND I DON'T  LIKE ASSUMING THINGS WHEN I  READ LANGUAGE THAT IT'S THE  COMMISSION THAT'S GIVING THIS  AUTHORITY. IT SHOULDN'T BE  DONE AT AN EMERGENCY MEETING.  EMERGENCY MEETINGS ONLY  REQUIRED FOR NOTICE AND THERE  COULD BE SOME GAME PLAYING  WITH THAT AND I WANT TO MAKE  SURE THAT IT'S A PROPERLY  NOTICED MEETING AND THE AGENDA  IS POSTED. WITH THAT YOU KNOW  WEEK OR WHATEVER TIME TO GIVE  CITIZENS THE ABILITY TO  PARTICIPATE. HE'S 24 HOURS.  SOMETIMES JUST IS NOT ENOUGH  TIME FOR THAT PARTICIPATION.  THE OTHER THING I HAVE NOTICED  IS IF YOU LOOK AT SECTION B.  IT SAYS NO GENERAL OBLIGATION.  OR REVENUE BOND SHELBY ISSUE.  BUT THE REST OF THE LANGUAGE  THEN TALKS ABOUT REVENUE  BOUGHT. IT DOESN'T SAY  ANYTHING ABOUT HOW GENERAL  OBLIGATION BONDS ARE APPROVED.  YES, WE KNOW IT'S DONE BY  STATE STATUTE. BUT OUR CHARTER  DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING TO THAT  EFFECT THAT THE GENERAL DET.  WOULDN'T BE APPROVED BY THE  VOTERS THAT IS NOT SPELLED OUT  HERE. AND I THINK IT'S  IMPORTANT TO HAVE IT IN THERE.  THE ONLY OTHER THING IS WHEN  YOU'RE LOOKING THE 2 EYES IN  THE 3 I'S AND SECTION 2 A IT  SAYS. EMITTING INFRASTRUCTURE  SYSTEM FAILURE, INCLUDING BUT  NOT LIMITED TO. THE MINUTE YOU  ADD INCLUDED, BUT NOT LIMITED  TO YOU'RE LEAVING IT WIDE  OPEN. AND I THINK THAT THE  INTENT OF THIS WAS TO JUST  HAVE IT BE FOR THOSE IMMINENT  INFRASTRUCTURE SYSTEM FAILURES  FOR ROADS. BRIDGES WATER  CONTROL STRUCTURES SANITATION,  WATER AND SEWER FACILITIES. I  WOULD HATE SOME POINT IN THE  FUTURE. IT TO BE INTERPRETED,  BUT NOT LIMITED 2 INCLUDES  PARK EQUIPMENT. NOT LIMITED TO  ANYTHING ELSE THAT UNDER THE I  THINK IT NEEDS TO BE TIGHTENED  UP. THOSE WERE MY COMMENTS ON  THIS. HYPE. I. REALLY ALSO  THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A SUPER  MAJORITY. THE COMMISSION AS  OPPOSED TO DEVELOP MAJORITY  AND I THINK I READ SOMEWHERE  THAT IT WAS EVEN A UNANIMOUS  OF THE COMMISSION I DON'T KNOW  IF I SAW CHARTER OR IF IT WAS  POSSIBLY DISCUSSED SOMEWHERE  AND IT HAD TO BE A UNANIMOUS  VOTE BY THE COMMISSION.  UNANIMOUS IS DIFFICULT TO  ACHIEVE AND I THINK SUPER  MAJORITY IS THAT HAPPY  COMPROMISE. SO THOSE ARE MY  THOUGHTS ON THIS SUBJECT I  DON'T KNOW STAFF IS LOOKING  FOR. THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS  >> ALL RIGHT COMMISSIONER  LANGDON NOT I REALLY HAVE A  FOLLOW-UP QUESTION TO  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL'S  COMMENTS AGAIN ITEM 2. ALL  RIGHT DOUBLE EYE. AND I  TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THE NOT  LIMITED TO AND WANTING TO HAVE  MORE SPECIFICITY AROUND THAT  BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE INITIAL  LANGUAGE THEN INFRASTRUCTURE  OR SYSTEM FAILURE TO ME THAT  DOESN'T CALL UP. IMAGES OF  PARK OF EQUIPMENT. IT'S  CERTAINLY WELL I DON'T KNOW  THAT IT COULD SO I GUESS I  DON'T KNOW WITH CITY ATTORNEY  IF IF YOU WANT TO WEIGH IN ON  THAT, BUT WHEN I READ THAT I  THINK THAT INTRODUCTORY  LANGUAGE SORT OF SETS THE  STAGE FOR THE ITEMS THAT COULD  FALL IN THAT. THAT IS CORRECT  IS DRAFTED COMMISSIONER  LANGDON SO YOU KNOW ANYTHING.  >> THAT FALLS WITHIN THAT  SUBSECTION WOULD HAVE TO  QUALIFY AS IMMINENT  INFRASTRUCTURE OR SYSTEM  FAILURE. AND IF THERE'S ANY  QUESTION OF INTERPRETATION  THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR  THE COMMISSION.  >> MAYBE. ADDING WITH THAT I  THOUGHT COME TO US IF THERE  WAS A QUESTION BY DEFAULT.  THAT HELPS THANK YOU OF THAT.  COMMISSIONER NOW  >> I AGREE THAT THEY  INTERPRETATION WOULD COME TO  COMMISSION AGAIN.  >> I DON'T WANT TO GET LOST  YOU AUTHORITY IN THIS LANGUAGE  IS NOT SPELLED OUT MAKES THOSE  DECISIONS IN A REALLY REALLY  NEEDS TO BE CLEAR WHO IS  MAKING THESE DECISIONS. THE  OTHER I FORGOT TO MENTION ONE  THING WHEN YOU GO TO THE  LITTLE 3 LITTLE EYES THAT  SINCE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT  FACILITIES FOR EMERGENCY AND  ESSENTIAL SERVICES INCLUDING  BUT NOT LIMITED TO SO A TEASE  FOR POLICE IYER FIRE DISTRICT  ROAD AND DRAINAGE SOLID WASTE  I THINK IT'S KIND OF  REDUNDANT. EMERGENCY AND  ESSENTIAL SERVICES THOSE ARE  LISTED IN THOSE DEPARTMENTS,  SO I THINK THAT LANGUAGE CAN  KIND OF COME OUT. WHERE IT  SAYS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT  FACILITIES. 4 POLICE  DEPARTMENT FIRE DEPARTMENT  ROAD AND DRAINAGE SOLID WASTE  AND UTILITIES I THINK IS MAKES  IT CLEARLY AND CONCISELY AND  THEN IT ALSO ABSOLUTELY  REMOVES THE ABILITY FOR PARKS.  YOU KNOW OR ANY OTHER  DEPARTMENT FACILITIES SO I  JUST WANT. WANTED TO SHARE  THAT TOO AND I APOLOGIZE I  DIDN'T I FORGOT TO INCLUDE IT  WITH MY INITIAL COMMENTS. OKAY  COMMISSIONER LANGDON.  >> YEAH, I WOULD BE INTERESTED  AND MY FELLOW COMMISSIONERS  REACTION TO THE 28 MILLION.  PER PROJECT ARE ARE YOU ALL  COMFORTABLE WITH THAT THAT'S  SAME LOVE SCENE HIGH TO ME MY  INITIAL REACTION WAS THAT IT  WAS INADEQUATE GIVEN COST OF  SO I JUST APPRECIATE GETTING  OTHERS REACTIONS TO THAT. I  HAVE ICE MAN.  >> MY QUESTION RESPONSE TO  ♪ >> YOUR QUESTION WOULD WHERE  28 MILLION  ♪ COME FROM. IF WE THE COUNTY  MODEL THINK MOST OF THE COUNTY  MODEL CALLS 28. THEY GOT  POLITICS AT LEAST BIG IF NOT  BIGGER.  >> AND I WOULD WONDER WHEN  THEY MADE THAT DECISION AND  SET THAT NUMBER COULD HAVE  BEEN 10 YEARS AGO SO WAS LOWER  WASN'T YEARS AGO AND THEY MAY.  >> THEY SKIPPED IT UP OVER  TIME TO GET STARTED 28. AND  THEY WERE QUITE A BIT LOWER,  BUT THEN THEY ADJUSTED 5 THE  CONVERSATION BUT I'M KIND OF  GOOD WITH THE 28, I MEAN IF  THIS IS THE DIRECTION WE  CHOOSE TO GO.  >> YOU KNOW IT'S PER PROJECT.  AND THAT'S WHAT  >> DEPUTY CITY ATTORNEY  MICHAEL AND HIS WORK VERY  CLOSELY ON THIS MATTER I THINK  YOU'D LIKE TO WEIGH IN ON THE  DOLLAR AMOUNT I WOULD LOVE  THANK YOU.  >> CITY SPEC COUNTY'S CHARTER  TO 17 MILLION FREESTORE THE  YEARS NOW IT'S ROUGHLY ABOUT  28 9. ALL RIGHT, SO  COMMISSIONER LANGDON DID YOU  WANT TO.  >> YOU KNOW IF OTHERS ARE  COMFORTABLE WITH THAT NUMBER I  CERTAINLY WON'T KICK OUT IT.  >> IT'S JUST SO WHAT WE HAD A  PROJECT TO. IMPROVE OUR WATER  STRUCTURES AGAIN WHAT ONE  28 MILLION GET US IF AN  AVERAGE THERE 3 MILLION TO FIX  OR REPLACE AND WE HAVE 69 OF  THEM.  >> NOW SOME HAVE BEEN FAXED I  MEAN IT DOESN'T EVEN.  >> COME CLOSE. NOW IF DEFINED  PROJECT HAS.  >> 5 LOT OF STRUCTURES AND  THEN THE NEXT YEAR THERE'S A  NEW PROJECT WITH 5 MORE LOT OF  STRUCTURES TO ME THAT FEELS  LIKE PLAYING A SHELL GAME. I'D  RATHER BY THE BULLET AND SAY  THINGS COST I'M JUST THROWING  OUT A NUMBER 50 MILLION. I  DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBERS  IT'S A I GOT WAS 28 IS A  LITTLE LOW GIVEN WHAT'S  HAPPENED TO CONSTRUCTION COSTS  OF THE PAST 3 SO YEARS AND  YEARS. STILL ANSWERING YOUR  QUESTION BEFORE.  >> THE OTHER MAYBE JUMP  ANYBODY, BUT IT I GUESS I  SHOULD HAVE SAID IT WHEN I  SAID IT LET'S FACE IT UP UNTIL  NOW. PROBABLY GOING BACK TO  WHEN GENERAL DEVELOPMENT  PROBABLY GOT THIS INTO THE  REGIONAL. SET OF DOCUMENTS FOR  THAT CITY. EVERY SINGLE DOLLAR  OF BORROWING REQUIRE CITIZEN.  WE'RE ASKING OUR CITIZENS TO  GIVE US. AND AMOUNT OF MONEY  WHICH THEY WOULD ALLOW US TO  INVENT THIS CITY. ASSUMING  WE'RE RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO  FIGURE OUT HOW TO PAY AND  WATCH THEIR DOLLARS. SO. TO  ASK FOR MORE THAN WHAT THE  COUNTY WHICH IS WHAT 2 BILLION  DOLLAR BUDGET TO ASK FOR MORE.  IT'S NOT A MATTER THE WAY I  LOOK AT IT AS IT'S JUST GOING  TO BE ADEQUATE FOR A PROJECT  OR NOT IF WE NEED TO BORROW  50 MILLION OR I GOT A  122 MILLION FAMILIES I THINK  WE OUGHT TO GO ASK THE PEOPLE  FOR THAT.  >> YOU KNOW ONCE THE CITY  LEADERSHIP PROVES THAT IT IS  FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND THAT  IT ONLY BORROWS MONEY WHEN IT  ABSOLUTELY NEEDS TO FOR THE  RIGHT REASONS THEN MAYBE IN  FUTURE GENERATIONS LONG AFTER  ON POPPING UP DAISIES. SO YOU  KNOW THE CITIZENS MAY SAY YOU  KNOW WHAT NORTH PORT'S  LEADERSHIP IS SO INCREDIBLE  THAT WE'RE GOOD WITH  15 MILLION ARE 70 MILLION  RIGHT NOW 28 ASK. I MEAN IT  COULD BE ANY NUMBER IT'S IT'S  AN ARBITRARY NUMBER BUT AT  LEAST IT WAS GUIDED BY WHAT  THE WHAT THE COUNTY SAID SO  THAT'S WHY I'M GOOD WITH I  JUST THANK MEMBER ASKING  CITIZENS TO TRUST BELIEVE US  AND SO YOU'VE GOTTEN FOR A  NUMBER THAT'S HAS SOME BEARING  ON WHAT OTHER MUNICIPALITIES  AND COUNTIES ARE GOING MUCH  LIKE 20 AGE IS KIND OF PUT  THEM BACK IN 6 MONTHS THAT  NUMBER'S  >> AND AGAIN IF THE GENERAL  SENSE IS 28 IS THE REASONABLE  I'M GOOD WITH I JUST WANTED TO  HAVE A CONVERSATION IT'S GREAT  COMMISSIONER EMRICH.  >> YEAH WHAT I HAVE MY  ONE-ON-ONE I THOUGHT 28 WAS A  LITTLE LOW BECAUSE OF THE  CONSTRUCTION COST, BUT IT IS A  STARTING PLACE AND DOES SHOW A  WITH THE COUNTY AND WE'RE NOT  TRY AND OVERSTEP THEIR  BOUNDARIES OR ANYTHING LIKE  VICE MAYOR STATED WE ARE  ASKING FOR THE CITIZENS TRUST  TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS. TO  START POINT WE'LL SEE.  >> HOW WOULD COME OUT AND IN  THE BOAT BECAUSE WE DO  DIFFERENT TYPES OF FUNDING  SOURCES COMING INTO PLAY  ESPECIALLY WITH WITH OUR THE  WAY THAT WE'RE GOING IN THE  FUTURE. AND I DO WANT TO KEEP  THE CITIZENS INVOLVED IN THAT.  BUT SOMETIMES YOU DO HAVE. NO  MUNCY'S LIKE LOOK AT 01:00PM  CAME THROUGH IT. IF IT WERE TO  HAPPEN NOW WITH THEIR FUNDS  DEPLETED WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE  AN EMERGENCY AVENUE TO BE ABLE  TO TAKE TO POSSIBLY JUST EVEN  SOME OF OUR CITIZENS  THROUGHOUT THAT. THE CRISIS SO  WE DO NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING  IN PLACE. THE 28 I'M VERY  HAPPY WITH AND AND AS LONG AS  IT'S WITHIN THE COUNTY. YOU  KNOW IT'S THE SAME SO LET'S  START SOMEWHERE RIGHT. JUST  WANTED TO.  >> FROM MY $0.2 IS THAT SENSE  AND I THINK IT'S ABOUT TIME  THAT WE HAD SOMETHING IN PLACE  LIKE THIS AND AGAIN. WE HAVE  A. ELECTED SYSTEM HERE WHERE  PEOPLE ELECT REPRESENTATIVES  AND THAT'S WHAT WHERE CHARGED  WITH AND I KNOW THAT NOT  EVERYBODY AGREES WITH ALL OF  OUR DECISIONS AT ONE TIME, BUT  YOU HAVE TO HAVE AND A WHEN  YOU GIVE SOMEBODY A JOB TO DO  AND SAY WE NEED THIS DONE I'M  LIKE WHAT IF PARTY BUDGET I  DON'T EXPECT THEM TO CALL ME  FOR EVERY LITTLE THING THAT  THEY'RE BUYING I I GET TOLD  WHAT I WANT THIS IS WHAT WE  NEED TO DO AND AND DO IT YEAH,  I I THINK WE HAVE I KNOW WE  HAVE VERY COMPETENT STAFF TO  DO THAT AND AGAIN I'VE SEEN MY  SHERIFF STEPS THROUGH THE  DECADES OF MILITARY AND I HAVE  SO MUCH CONFIDENCE IN OUR  PROFESSIONALISM IN THAT  THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BRING  FORTH SOMETHING PRESS FOR TO  USE 20 MILLION DOLLARS VERY  SPECIFIC WHAT IT COULD BE USED  FOR. AND I JUST THINK IT'S  ABOUT TIME WE HAVE. IT'S I'M  IN HERE SO. COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL, YEAH.  >> I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE ALL  SAYING AND I UNDERSTAND THAT  THIS IS GOING TO GO TO THE  VOTERS AND ULTIMATELY THEY  WILL SAY YES OR NO. AND I  THINK GOING FROM 0. AS THEY  HAVE TO APPROVE EVERYTHING  THAT WE INCUR FOR DEBT AND  ASKED THEM. TO GO TO  28 MILLION DOLLARS IS A BIG  ASK. YOU KNOW TO BE ABLE TO  PROVE TO THEM THAT WERE  RESPONSIBLE 28 MILLION DOLLARS  IS IS A BIG ASK. A FEW OF YOU  MAY NOT KNOW, BUT THERE WAS A  REFERENDUM FOR A NEW POLL. TO  TO FUND A NEW POOL AND WHILE I  UNDERSTAND IT SAYS HERE  IMMINENT INFRASTRUCTURE SYSTEM  FAILURE.  >> THE POOL FOR THE PORT OLD  POOL WOULD HAVE BEEN UNDER  THIS.  >> AND IF YOU HAVE.  >> THE WHERE WITH ALL TO SAY  HEY WE'RE GOING TO USE THIS  NEW DEBT ABILITY. AND IT'S  UNDER THE 28 MILLION DOLLARS  FOR A NEW POOL. I'M SORRY THE  CITIZENS ARE NOT GOING AGREE  THAT YOU SPEND THE MONEY  WISELY WE HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE  NEEDS FOR WATER CONTROL  STRUCTURES.  >> I THINK THAT THE DOLLAR  AMOUNT IS TOO HIGH. I THINK IT  SHOULD BE A LITTLE BIT LOWER.  PROBABLY LIKE AROUND  15 MILLION AND WORK OUR WAY  UP.  >> AND.  >> HAVE A STARTING POINT AND  THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT  MORE PADDLE PALATABLE FOR THE  CITIZENS. BUT AT THE END OF  THE DAY THEY MAY EVEN DECIDE  15 MILLION IS TOO HOT AND THEY  MADE IT MAY DECIDE KNOW WE'RE  NOT RELINQUISHING OUR ABILITY  TO SAY NO TO ISSUING DEBT. SO  I JUST DON'T WANT ANYONE TO  LOOSE SIGHT. THE OVERARCHING  IT'S NOT THE DOLLAR AMOUNT WE  SET YES WE'RE SETTING IT AS  THAT STARTING POINT BUT WE  HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT  DOLLAR AMOUNT IS GOING TO BE.  COMFORTABLE WITH THE PEOPLE  THAT ARE GOING APPROVE THIS.  IF YOU GO MUCH HIGHER. I DON'T  NEED TO REMIND ANY OF YOU HOW  HOW IT WENT WITH THE LAST  ELECTION WHEN WE'RE TALKING  ABOUT CONTRACTS. AND THEY SAID  ABSOLUTELY NOT THAT WAS A  RESOUNDING IN A VOTE OF NO. SO  I I I HOPE EVERYBODY IS GOING  TO TAKE THAT INTO  CONSIDERATION AND ON I. IF  28 MILLION DOLLARS IS WHAT THE  WILL OF THE BOARD IS THEN I'M  NOT GOING TO STAND IN THE WAY.  VOTERS ARE GOING TO BE THE  ONES THAT ARE GOING TO SAY YES  TO OKAY, I ABSOLUTELY.  >> IT'S GOING TO BE ULTIMATELY  TO CITIZENS WHICH IS WHY  COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL YOU'RE  DEFINITELY GOING TO BE ONCE  YOU GET IT AND UNDERSTAND IT  THOROUGHLY GOING TO BE WITHOUT  DOUBT ONE OF THE BIGGEST  SUPPORTERS FOR. PERMISSIVE  REFERENDUMS BECAUSE. NOW THE  CITIZENS RELINQUISH ONE DOLLAR  IF WE WANT TO BORROW $10 AND  THEY DON'T THINK IT'S GOOD.  GET A PETITION AND STOPS FORCE  IT TO A PUBLIC REFERENDUM AND  THAT'S WHAT'S GREAT I ALSO  LIKE 28 YOU CAN HAVE A  STARTING NUMBER SOMEWHERE  WE'VE NOT YET GOT TO THE POINT  WE MAY HAVE WORK THROUGH SOME  OF THIS LANGUAGE BUT I CAN  TELL YOU THIS. I PERSONALLY.  BEFORE I CAN MAKE A PERSONAL  DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT TO  SUPPORT A CHARTER AMENDMENT.  THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED BY THE  CHARTER REVIEW BOARD. WANT TO  SEE. PERMISSIVE REFERENDUM.  COME BEFORE THIS COMMISSION AS  A SECONDARY OPTION BECAUSE I  BELIEVE THAT CITIZENS WOULD  SUPPORT BECAUSE THEY NEVER  GIVE UP CONTROL FOR ANY AMOUNT  OF MONEY. AS OPPOSED TO ASKING  AND THAT'S GROUP MIDST AT  MAYBE 10 YEARS FROM NOW THERE  CAN BE A CHARTER AMENDMENT  THAT GIVES US A BODY OF  DOLLARS AND I'M NOT SAYING  THAT THEY WOULDN'T SUPPORT  28 MILLION ARE 10 OR 15  WHATEVER, BUT FOR MISTER FOR  WHEN THE ARE INCREDIBLY. I  MEAN THAT'S JUST AN AMAZING  WAY.  >> GET WHAT YOU NEED IF WHAT  YOU NEED IS RIGHTEOUS AND THE  CITIZENS SUPPORT IT AND IT'S A  SHOE TIME AGO IN A REFERENDUM.  IT'S A TIME AND MONEY.  >> BUT IF THEY DO THEY HAVE  THE ABILITY VERY SIMPLY TO  TAKE IT TO A FULL REFERENDUM.  WHAT MORE COULD YOU ASK. AND  SO AGAIN THAT'S NO I'M JUST ON  MY SOAPBOX BUT THANK YOU FOR  EVERYBODY'S COMMENT ON THE  SUBJECT COAST. THERE'S MORE TO  COME.  >> OKAY CITY MANAGER YOU HAVE  EVERYTHING YOU NEED FOR DO WE  NEED MORE DIRECT INDEED SOME  MORE DIRECTION. STAFF IS GOING  TO COME BACK. OKAY. YES GO  AHEAD COMMISSIONER,  >> SO ARE THEY COMING BACK  WITH THE DRAFT LANGUAGE ARE  THEY COMING BACK WITH SOME  ALTERNATIVE LANGUAGE BASED ON  MY COMMENTS AND MY FELLOW  COMMISSIONERS COMMENT ON WHAT  THIS DRAFT LANGUAGE. IS  MISSING IN SHOULD SAY ARE.  WHAT WHAT DOES IT. WHEN YOU  SAY IT'S COMING BACK WHICH IS  THAT LOOK LIKE.  >> THEY'RE COMING BACK BUT  SCENARIOS TO PUT THIS BOND  QUESTION.  >> ON ABOUT DO I HAVE THAT  RIGHT BUT ONLY DECIDED ON.  >> WELL THEN I'M GOING TO ASK  FOR CONSENSUS IS.  >> I'LL START OFF WITH THE  FIRST AND MOST OBVIOUS ONE  TOO. UPDATE THE DRAFT LANGUAGE  TO SPELL OUT WHO. IT'S GIVEN  THE AUTHORITY TO ISSUE  PERMISSIBLE THAT. I WOULD  SUPPORT THAT CLARIFICATION.  KHAN ARE. YEAH, GUESS IT'S  GOOD  >> IS THAT YES.  >> YOU HAVE YOUR CONSENSUS FOR  THAT.  >> I WILL ASK FOR A CONSENSUS.  >> TO REMOVE BUT NOT LIMITED  TO INTO. LITTLE I TOO TOO  LITTLE EYES. I'M TAKING OUT  THAT NOT LIMITED TO. THAT'S  THE CONSENSUS AND IF I MAY  CLARIFY ITS RELATING TO THE  POOR THAT'S RELATING TO OTHER  NEEDS THAT ARE NOT. IMMINENT  INFRASTRUCTURE SYSTEM  FAILURES.  >> I'M A NO ON THAT AND THAT  IN. LITTLE TO EYE.  >> IMMEDIATE INFRASTRUCTURE, A  SYSTEM FAILURE TO ME DOES NOT  CONNOTE A POOL AND SIMILARLY  IN 3. NO FACILITIES FOR  EMERGENCY AND ESSENTIAL  SERVICES AGAIN A POLL DOES NOT  QUALIFY FOR THAT TYPE OF  CATEGORIES SO SO I ON THAT  ONE.  >> AND I AGREE WITH  COMMISSIONER LANGDON I'M A NO  ON THAT I DON'T THINK WHOLE  SCENARIO WOULD COME UP AND I  THINK IF THAT HAVE THAT AND  TORCHES OUT THERE. I I'M A NO  ON THAT.  >> DO AND A LOT ONLY CAUSE I  THINK LIKE CITY ATTORNEYS GOT  A PRETTY GOOD FEEL FOR LIKE  THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT  MAKING SURE THAT THAT  STATEMENT IN THERE SO KNOW  THAT I THINK WHAT WE'VE GOT IF  IT DOESN'T ADDRESS IT. IT CAN  TIGHTEN IT UP BETWEEN NOW AND  THEN I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED  TO  >> YOU WANT WEIGH YEAH AND  THAT ONE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW  WHAT EXACT PRICE IS GOING TO  BE AT THE TIME SO WE HAVE TO  HAVE AVAILABILITY DISCUSS SO I  WASN'T A LOT OKAY.  >> AND I HEAR I'M JUST  REMINDING YOU THIS THING HAS  TO PASS THE CITIZENS AND IT'S  GOING TO SURVIVE ALL OF US.  CITY ATTORNEY CITY MANAGER AND  EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US SO  THAT'S WHY I WAS LOOKING FOR A  LITTLE BIT OF TIGHTENING UP  LANGUAGE. REGARDING THE  CONSENT I'D LIKE TO GET A  CONSENSUS TO HAVE. WHAT IS  THAT CALLED ME AND OUR  ENGINEERING NEWS AND RECORD  CONSTRUCTION COST INDEXED. THE  EVERY 3 YEARS AVERAGE. SUPPOSE  TO EVERY YEAR THE DRAFT U K.  >> I'M A NO ON I WOULD JUST BE  CONCERNED, I MEAN LOOK AT WHAT  HAPPENED WITH THE SUPPLY CHAIN  ISSUES AND COVID IN A VERY  SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. THE COST  DRAMATICALLY ESCALATED SO IF  IF WE MAKE THAT TIME PERIOD  TOO BROAD AND WE PUT OURSELVES  AT RISK. FOR SOME VARIATIONS  NATIONAL VARIATIONS THAT WE  MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO  ANTICIPATE. TODAY SO I'M  COMFORTABLE WITH INDUCT SAYING  THAT ON ANNUAL BASIS.  >> NOW I'LL BE GOING BACK TO  WHEN WE HAD OUR BIG TURN DOWN  IN THE MID 2 THOUSANDS THINGS  CHANGE DRASTICALLY LIKE  OVERNIGHT TO HAVE SOMETHING  DAY 3 YEAR AVERAGE MONDAY,  INCLUDING WHEN THINGS WERE  BOOMING WOULD BE NOT ACCURATE.  SO I HAVE TO BE YOU KNOW FOR  THAT.  >> OF THE FOR THE SUBJECT  MATTER EXPERTS TO PUT IT IN  THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE ON  >> YEAH, I WAS AS WELL BECAUSE  OF THE FACT IS. YOU'RE SAYING  THAT IT MAY POSSIBLY GO DOWN  IF YOU'RE DOING AN AVERAGE OF  3 YEARS COULD THAT WINDOW AND  THEN BE TOO LATE SO I WASN'T  OUT.  >> WHAT ABOUT ACTS ON IT. IT  IS IS THERE AN APPETITE TO PUT  A MASK ON HOW MUCH YOU CAN GO  OUT. BECAUSE.  >> YOU KNOW THIS IF YOU'RE  GOING TO DO IT YEARLY. AND USE  YOUR LET'S SAY YOU'RE AT  31 MILLION 500 THOUSAND BASED  ANNUAL INCREASES. AND THEN IT  GOES DOWN. ONE YEAR, BUT THEN  THE NEXT YEAR GOES UP  EXPONENTIALLY. IT IS THERE AN  APPETITE FACING A MAXIMUM  AMOUNT ON THERE. JUST THROWING  IT OUT BEFORE I ASK FOR  CONSENSUS BECAUSE WE REALLY  DIDN'T TALK ABOUT A MAXIMUM,  YOU KNOW LIKE OUR SAVE OUR  HOMES HAS A MAXIMUM OF 3% CPI  WHICHEVER IS LESS. YOU KNOW SO  SO WHAT IF WE WERE TO PUT LIKE  MAXIMUM OF I DON'T KNOW. 4% OR  MAYBE HAVE STAFF COME BACK  WITH. SCENARIOS THE MAXIMUM  AMOUNT. GO AHEAD VICE MAYOR.  >> I MEAN FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH  HOW IMPRACTICALITY OR ARE WE.  BORROWING MONEY FOR THIS AND  MAYBE IT IS EVERY YEAR BUT I  KIND I MEAN AND LOOK AT. YOUR  WEEK COMMISSIONER SITTING HERE  TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A BETTER  WAY TO CRAFT THIS WHEN. WE'RE  NOT INVENTING THIS THIS IS  SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE ELSE  USES TO A GREATER OR LESSER  DEGREE AND WHY NOT JUST SIMPLY  I MEAN OUR COUNTY THAT'S A  PRETTY GOOD JOB 2 BILLION  BUDGET. I GOT A REAL PROBLEM  GOING WITH THAT I MEAN WHILE  WE TRY TO INVENT SOMETHING NEW  PERMUTATION OF LANGUAGE FOR  THIS APPROACH IS SUPPOSED TO  JUST. GOING WITH IT, I MEAN  THE REAL SALIENT ISSUE IT'S  YES ESTE PASS MUSTARD WITH OUR  CITIZENS AND BELIEVE WHEN PUSH  COMES TO SHOVE THAT ALL GOING  TO BE ABOUT THE DOLLAR NUMBER  THEY'RE NOT GETTING BOGGED  DOWN IN THE WEEDS BECAUSE WE  CAN BARELY GET BOGGED DOWN IN  THE WEEDS. SO I JUST THINK  IT'S A NOTHING BURGER.  >> ONE 2 MORE I WANT TO GET  ONE OF IF YOU LOOK AT BE IT  TOOK OUT NO GENERAL  OBLIGATION. SHALL BE ISSUED I  TOOK OUT REVENUE BOND BECAUSE  THAT IS ADDRESSED IN THE  LANGUAGE. BUT NO GENERAL  OBLIGATION WHICH IS MILLAGE  INCREASES SHALL BE ISSUED BY  THE CITY UNLESS APPROVED BY  THE VOTERS. IT'S JUST COMING  OUT THAT WHOLE SUBJECT OF  GENERAL OBLIGATION IS  COMPLETELY OUT OF THIS  LANGUAGE. AND I THINK IT NEEDS  TO BE PUT BACK IN SOME WAY  SHAPE OR FORM. I DON'T KNOW  WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE SO MY  CONSENSUS IS TO INSTRUCT STAFF  TO INCLUDE. NO GENERAL  OBLIGATION DET. MUST BE  APPROVED BY THE MAJORITY OF  THE VOTERS.  >> I HAVE A QUESTION I'M NOT  SURE THAT'S OR CITY ATTORNEY  OR CITY MANAGER. WHAT IS  INCLUDED IN GENERAL OBLIGATION  BESIDES MILLAGE RATE. INCREASE  ANYTHING ELSE. IT IS IT. I  MEAN WANT TO RESPOND THAT THE  CITY ATTORNEY MICHAEL GOING TO  RESPOND TO THAT AS  >> SO THE DIFFERENCE WITH THE  GENERAL OBLIGATION IS HOW THAT  USED TO PAY FOR TO COME FROM A  PLUM TAXES.  >> WE HAVE TO UNDER THE  FLORIDA CONSTITUTION HAVE TO  REFERENDUM FOR THOSE THAT TYPE  OF DEATH.  >> EVERY TAXES DO IT. BOSS  THOUGH BEFORE A LOT OUR CHOIR.  THE REFERENDUM. YOU KNOW THEY  SHOULD HAVE TO THE MATTER WHAT  AGAIN MY MY POINT WOULD BE IF.  >> GENERAL OBLIGATION IS THE  SAME THING AS A MILLAGE RATE  INCREASE THAT MUCH JUST SAY  IT.  >> IT'S NOT IT'S NOT THE SAME  AS OLD RATE INCREASE. THIS NOT  IT WOULD BE A BOND FOR  SOMETHING HOW YOU PAY FOR THAT  BOND IS HERMAN THANK MICHAEL  DO YOU HAVE ANY EXAMPLES OF.  >> YOU KNOW HOW WE WOULD PAY  FOR A REVENUE BOND AS OPPOSED  TO GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND  WHICH WOULD BE THE MILITARY.  PROPERTY TAXES FOR FOR EXAMPLE  MILLAGE YEAH. THAT'S THAT'S IF  CAN HELP ME.  >> GENERAL OBLIGATION TO I'M  NOT TALKING ABOUT REVENUE  BONDS, I'M TALKING ABOUT  ADDING GENERAL OBLIGATION  DEBT. DATA THAT IS INCURRED  USING GENERAL OBLIGATIONS.  >> IS THE AD VALOREM TAXATION.  YEAH, I THINK THE CONFUSION.  THE BOARD IS WHAT IS THE OTHER  TYPE BOND, WHAT IS A REVENUE  BOND AND HOW DO WE PAY FOR  THOSE READY KNOW MY QUESTION  WAS SPECIFIC TO THE GENERAL  OBLIGATION AND IT'S THAT  EQUALS. PROPERTY TAXES ARE  MILLAGE RATE AND LET'S SAY  THOSE TO FINANCE THE BOND.  THEN THIS PART OF WE WITH  PRETTY GET TAKE OUT THE BONDS.  FOR A LOAN OR SOMETHING OF  THAT NATURE.  >> IN OTHER WORDS PAYING FOR  THE BOND IS NOT NECESSARILY  AUTOMATICALLY INCREASE THE  MILLAGE RATE. IT COULD COULD  YOU COULD NEED TO DO THAT. BUT  IT'S NOT THEY DON'T  NECESSARILY GO HAND IN OKAY, I  APPRECIATE THAT. THANKS.  >> SO THE CONSENSUS WAS TO ADD  IN SOME TYPE OF LANGUAGE  RELATING TO GENERAL OBLIGATION  DEBT MUST BE APPROVED BY THE  VOTERS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT  LOOKS LIKE THAT WOULD BE UP TO  CITY ATTORNEY TO WORK ON, BUT  THAT'S WHAT MY CONSENSUS. AS  IT'S BEING REMOVED.  >> WELL, I'M MAN SPEAK NOT  JUST THIS MAY BE HELPFUL IN  YOUR DEBATE IF YOU LOOK AT THE  SUBSECTION. AND THE NEW  LANGUAGE THAT'S THERE. IT SAYS  THAT NO DEBT SHOULD BE  INCURRED EXCEPT AS PROVIDED  WILL KNOW WILL BE INCURRED  UNLESS APPROVED BY MAJORITY  VOTE OF THE VOTERS OF THE  CITY. EXCEPT AS OTHERWISE  PROVIDED BELOW SO WHAT THE  LANGUAGE SAYS IN DRAFT IS  YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE VOTE FALLS  UNDER THE U.S. THIS EXCEPTION  WHICH IS SPECIFIC TO.  >> ITEMS THAT ARE SET FORTH.  SO WE DID NOT REMOVE THE  LANGUAGE WE WROTE IT  DIFFERENTLY, BUT STILL  ADDRESSED THAT THEY'RE NOT IF  YOU DON'T LIKE THAT THAT WE  CAN WE CAN RESTRICT IN BUT I  DID WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT  THAT YOU ALL SAW THAT SO I I  JUST DON'T THINK IT'S THAT  CLEAR. YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND IT.  >> BECAUSE YOU WROTE IT, IT'S  JUST IN MY OPINION NOT THAT  CLEAR. AND I'M LOOKING FOR  CLARITY IN THIS MATTER WITH  GENERAL OBLIGATION DEBT.  >> IF I MAY. NOTE THAT.  >> TO ME.  >> IT'S A LOT CLEARER THEN  GETTING INTO THE WEEDS OF  GENERAL OBLIGATION OUR REVENUE  BONDS, SO I THINK THAT'S  PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. WERE  YOU FOR THE CONSENSUS. I I  THINK THE WAY IT STANDS NOW  IT'S FINE WITH WOULDN'T MAKE  ANY JUST BECAUSE HERE NOW  YEAH. KNOWS WELL, I'M JUST  GOING TO YOU KNOW TO OUR LEGAL  TEAM THAT THING. PUT THINGS IN  PLACE FOR A REASON WHEN YOU  ADD SOMETHING NEW. HAVE TO  SOMETIMES TAKE AT POINTS.  AREAS THAT REFERENCED IT  BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO THINK  SO.  >> I MEAN NOW.  >> BEFORE I SAY YES OR LAST  CITY ATTORNEY ARE YOU GOOD  WITH THE LANGUAGE THE WAY IT  IS. WE NEEDED TO BE ANY  DIFFERENT. LATER OF THE  OBSERVATION MISSION WITHOUT  ME.  >> CERTAINLY THE LANGUAGE IS  LEGALLY SOUND AND I DON'T I  THINK IF WE'RE IF I'M  INTERPRETING IT LEGALLY ALSO  BASIS OF. WHAT IS THE PLAIN  LANGUAGE SAY YOU KNOW WHAT  STATUTORY INTERPRETATION. I  THINK THAT'S ALSO CLEAR  HOWEVER YOU WILL NEED TO BE  COMFORTABLE WITH THE CLARITY  THAT IS TRUE WE WROTE IT. SO  OBVIOUSLY IT'S GOING TO CLEAR  AND WE'RE LOOKING RETURNS EYES  NOW. THIS IS YOUR GOVERNING  DOCUMENT SO IT NEEDS TO  PRESENT HAS TO BE LEGALLY  SOUND. YOU KNOW YOU'VE BECOME  FOR THE LANGUAGE AS THE SHORT  ANSWER IS LANGUAGE.  >> YOU KNOW, I MEAN WE DON'T  HAVE A CONSENSUS, SO IT  DOESN'T MATTER BUT FORTUNE  SAKE I WOULD SAY I SEE SEEING  NO REAL PROBLEM. I MEAN  UNDERSTANDING THAT WE  UNDERSTAND STATE STATUTES A  VERY SPECIFIC REGARDING  GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS YOU  HAVE CITIZEN DOESN'T KNOW THAT  AND TO BE ABLE FOR THEM WHEN  THEY READ THIS AFTER ALL WE DO  WANT THEM TO VOTE FOR.  >> SO IT MAY HAVE SOME VALUE.  TO BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN THAT TO  THEM. IT IN A SENTENCE OR SO  THAT GENERAL OBLIGATION BONDS  ARE NOT REALLY BEING  CONSIDERED UNDER THE CHARTER  AMENDMENT WE'RE ASKING THOSE  ARE RULED BY STATE STATUTE AND  REQUIRE A REFERENDUM. AND  HOWEVER YOU WANT TO SAY  CERTAINLY A LOT PREFER OPTIONS  BUT YOU KNOW ALSO I MEAN YES  BUT WE DON'T HAVE A CONSENSUS,  BUT I THINK IT'S THAT WILL  CHANGE SOMEONE'S MIND. I YOUR  AVERAGE JOE. LAST ONE.  >> IF YOU LOOK AT AND AND  THAT'S ONE LITTLE WORD AND I  AM ALWAYS HUNG UP ON THIS ONE  LITTLE WORD. BE VERY LAST  SENTENCE IT SAYS THE CITY MAY  NOT AVOIDED THE REQUIREMENT IN  THE SEPT SHUNNED BY SEPARATING  A SINGLE. SPONTANEOUS OR  CONCURRENT PROJECT INTO PARTS  TO AVOID THE LIMITATION. THE  WARD MAY. IS SUBJECTIVE. THAT  MEANS YOU CAN. YOU CANNOT I  THINK IT MUCH STRONGER  LANGUAGE IS THE CITY SHALL NOT  AVOID THE REQUIREMENTS IN THIS  SECTION BY SEPARATING THE  SINGLE PROJECT OBAMA SO MY  CONSENSUS, I'M SEEKING FOR IS  TO CHANGE SHAO IN BE ONE LAST  SOME OF THE LAST LINE OF THAT.  >> YOU WHAT YOU THINK.  >> I'M OKAY WITH MAY.  >> I I GET COMMISSIONER  MCDOWELL'S POINT. OKAY WITH  MAY. YEAH I THAT'S A CITY WHAT  REALLY REGARDS TO THIS THE  DIFFERENCE, I KNOW THAT IN OUR  COMP PLAN WE HAD LOTS OF  DISCUSSIONS YEARS AGO ABOUT  THE MAZE AND THE SHOUTS BUT  EVENTUALLY IT COMES DOWN  >> THE SAME IN MUCH THE SAME  THING.  >> THE WHOLE TREAT US WRITTEN  MAY MUST SAYS SHALL AND THE  GUIDANCE AND LEGAL WRITING FOR  SOME YEARS NOW HAS BEEN TO  MOVE AWAY FROM SHOW EVEN  THOUGH WE SEE A LOT OF THAT  ANADARKO DINNER I'M  COMFORTABLE THE WAY IT IS ALSO  COMPLETE YOU WANT TO SHALL IF  YOU PREFER A LOT OF A LOT OF  CITIES ARE STILL WRITING AND  THAT OLDER. SO  >> YEAH, I'M GOOD WITH I WOULD  YOU KNOW.  >> JUST DIFFICULT TODAY. I AM  SHAO BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT MAY  IS LIKE I AM AND I DON'T SEE  ANY REASON WHY IT SHOULDN'T BE  WE SHALL I DON'T WANT TO SEE  THIS BROKEN UP, IT'S JUST A  WAY TO GET AROUND. AND IT'S  BEEN DONE BEFORE LIKE THE  PROJECT UP IT'S A WILL DO IT  INCREMENTS OF 25 MILLION TO  GET AROUND THAT SO YOU KNOW  AGAIN GOES BACK TO WHAT ARE WE  TRYING TO DO HERE WE'RE TRYING  TO GET TO CITIZENS TO TRUST  SUPPORT AND VOTED FOR IF THIS  IS IN FACT THE CHARTER  AMENDMENT WE FORTH SO I SAY  EVERY BIT ALL. LEANING TOWARDS  LIKE MAKING THIS IS CLEAR AS  POSSIBLE. AND AND AND COLD  DOUBLE FOR OUR CITIZENRY THE  BETTER. MICHELLE. OKAY.  >> I HAVE NO ISSUES WITH  CHANGE AND THAT SHELL. WE  DON'T HAVE A CONSENT I JUST I  DID NOT KNOW WE SHOW THAT WHEN  IT COMES BACK I WILL BE  REQUESTED BY MOTION MOTION.  >> JUST TO LET YOU KNOW.  >> GUESS SORT OF A CONSENSUS.  THE TO CONSENSUS IT WOULD BE A  PRETTY GOOD TOO GIVES YOU AN  INDICATION.  >> EVERYTHING ELSE.  >> CENSUS, I KNOW WE ALL GOT  YOUR OWN HELP ME WE HAVE OKAY.  >> NOT AND LIGHTS ANYBODY HAVE  ANYTHING ELSE AT SOUNDS LIKE A  CASE I MEAN GOT TO STAY THE  LIGHTS ARE PUBLIC COMMENT.  >> YES WE DO HAVE ONE COMMENT  THIS ITEM FROM JASMINE BOWMAN.  CITY GOVERNMENT SHOULD NEVER  BE ALLOWED A BLANK CHECK TO  BORROW AND REGARDLESS OF THE  CIRCUMSTANCES ANY PROPOSED FUN  SHOULD BE PUT TO A CITIZEN'S  VOTE OR APPROVAL OR REJECTION.  THAT'S OKAY.  >> ALL RIGHT SO I THINK THAT  IS WE HAVE ANY OTHER AND  THAT'S WHERE ALL SET THAT SO  IT IS ONE 17 AND I ADJOURN  THIS MEETING NOW.