>> OKAY TODAY'S TUESDAY WE'RE GOING TO GET OUR MEETING GOING AND YOU CAN TAKE A SEAT THAT BE ♪ ♪ >> THANK >> TODAY IS TUESDAY MARCH 7TH 2024 IT IS 01:00PM AND WE'RE IN THE CITY CHAMBERS AND I CALL THIS CITY COMMISSION SPECIAL MEETING TO ORDER. ROLL CALL WE HAVE COMMISSIONERS MCDOWELL LANGDON MYSELF. WHY VICE MAYOR STOKES AND COMMISSIONER AND SO WE DO HAVE A WE ALSO HAVE CITY MANAGER FLETCHER CITY ATTORNEY SLAYTON CITY CLERK FAUST. POLICE CHIEF GARRISON AND FIRE CHIEF TITUS THE CHIEFS ARE IN THE HOUSE RIGHT AND I WONDER WHY. PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE I'M GOING TO ASK OUR FINANCE QUEEN. KENT WILLIAMS TO LEAD US. >> OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA A NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. I'M LOOKING. >> OR AN APPROVAL OF THE >> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY VICE MAYOR STOKES TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER EMRICH. LET'S FOE. AND THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. CITY CLERK IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT. IT'S BE SHOT. >> AT TUESDAY'S MEETING OUR HEARD VICE MAYOR STOKES AND COMMISSIONER LANGDON SAY SOMETHING TO THE EFFECT THAT THIS COMMISSION IS NOT AFRAID TO MAKE DECISIONS DOESN'T KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD. I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY PLEASE DON'T KICK THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD ON YOUR NEW POLICE HEADQUARTERS. FOR THE LONG-TERM SOLUTION THAT SAVED OUR CITIZENS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS BY RECOMMENDING THOUGH 122 MILLION DOLLAR HEADQUARTERS TO 2065 AT THE RATE OF INCREDIBLE BIRTH IN OUR CITY ANYTHING LESS WILL COST TAXPAYERS SO MUCH MORE IN THE LONG RUN. AND THAT'S ALL OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, WE'RE MOVING UP TO GENERAL BUSINESS 24 DASH 0, 3, 5, 7, >> DISCUSSION POSSIBLE ACTION REGARDING FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE PLAYSTATION HEADQUARTERS AN EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER THE IOS 8 CITY MANAGER, THIS IS YOUR ITEM. THANK YOU MADAM THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THE CONVERSATION WE HAD ON FEBRUARY 26. >> WE ALL GAVE YOU A LOT OF INFORMATION AND YOU HAD SOME QUESTIONS REGARDING INFORMATION THAT WE SHARE REGARDING THE NEED OF THE NEW POLICE WE THANK YOU FOR THAT DISCUSSION INTO IT, BUT YOU PROVIDE WE'VE ALSO HEARD BACK GOOD AMOUNT OF OUR COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS AND RESIDENTS AS WITH THAT THEY'RE INVOLVED AND ENGAGED IN VERY IMPORTANT PROCESS WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT LATER HOW WE WANT TO ENGAGE FURTHER THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS. BEGINNING THIS WHICH WE HAVE A LOT OF CASE I LIKE TO JUST GO OVER SOME OF THE ANSWERS THAT WE PROVIDED TO YOU ON THOSE QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAD SEE IF THERE'S ANY FOR THE BACK NECESSARY AND FROM THERE WE'LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE NEXT STEPS IN SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE STILL OUT THAT WANT TO ADDRESS. >> ALL RIGHT THAT SOUNDS LIKE A PLAN. SO THE BUSH THAT'S WHAT GAVE YOU ALL YOU WANT ASK THE QUESTION ARE WE GOING TO GO TO THE QUALITY OF YES THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT TO MAKE SURE YOU SET THE ANSWER'S YES, OKAY, YEAH, ALL RIGHT THE FIRST QUESTION WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE AND HOW 911 OPERATIONS. IT EXPLAINING A JOKE TO A SERVICES PROVIDED BY THE SARASOTA COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, ESPECIALLY WHEN WAS WE DISCUSSED A PRIMARY UP THESE APP AND SECONDARY PEACE AT AND DESIRE TO NOT CHANGE THAT SYSTEM. AS IT CURRENTLY EXISTS AT THIS TIME. QUESTIONS REGARDING THAT FIRST ONE. I JUST KEEP GOING STOPS ALL RIGHT NUMBER 2 WITH THE COUNTY TAX BILL BREAK OUT THE MILLAGE INCREASE THE SHOW OR POLICE HEADQUARTERS OF THERE REASSESS ITS BY A SEPARATE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. NO ITS DESIGNATION ON THE TAX BILL. OKAY COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL, YES. HE SEPARATED OUT. >> SAME. >> GOOD TO KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE SEPARATED OUT. IS IT GOING TO RECEIVE THE SAME HOME OWNERS EXEMPTIONS AND SAVE OUR HOMES STATUS IS. MILITARY CURRENTLY HAS. >> YES ANY CAPITAL THAT SERVICE MILEAGE. YOU GET MILEAGE. WE AGAINST THE VALUE THAT YEAR AS WAR. ALLEN. ASSESSED VALUES AFTER EXEMPTIONS. >> THANK YOU THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO BE CLEAR. THANK YOU THAT WAS THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD ON THAT. OKAY. >> 3 WAS THE ENGINEERING NEWS AND RECORD COST INDEX EXPLAINING AS THE MULTIPLIER UP TOWARD THE COUNTY REQUEST MODEL. THE ANSWER REALLY PROVIDES THAT YOU KNOW WHAT THE CONSTRUCTION DO IT AND THEN NEEDS TO DO THEIR JOB MORE EFFECTIVELY YOU KNOW REPORTS ON THE TOP ARCHITECTS ENGINEERS AND TOP WITH A COMPANIES. OVERALL CONTEXT HERE IS THAT WE FEEL THAT IS THE BETTER MULTIPLIER AS IT RELATES TO MAKING SURE THAT WHEN YOU DO HAVE A BOND QUESTION THAT USING THE ACCURATE INFORMATION TO MAKE YOUR DECISION. ALRIGHT POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCES SURTAX CONSIDERATIONS. WE TALKED ABOUT THE REFERENDUM THAT WAS APPROVED REGARDING THE. APPROVAL OF PAY TAX OF THE SURTAX AND IT IS OVER 15 YEARS AND SOMETIMES REVENUE TO COME IN AND HIGHER AND LORE THAT WE PROJECT IN THE TAX PIER WE ASKED OR TEXT 3. WE DID GET MORE REVENUE THAN EXPECTED IT WOULD USE QUARTER LEAD TO FOR PROJECTS. THE BIG THE BIG ISSUE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT LATELY IS THE ABILITY TO REARRANGE OUR SURTAX IN A WAY THAT ALLOWS YOU TO BE FLEXIBLE WITH THE NEEDS OF THE CITY. AND EVEN THOUGH, AND ALTHOUGH THAT'S WITH IN THE RESOLUTION THAT WAS ADOPTED SOMETHING OF THIS MAGNITUDE 50 MILLION DOLLARS DOES IT REQUIRE A DISCUSSION AND WE BELIEVE THAT IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS THAT FURTHER FOR THE PATHWAY THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED. WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. WE ATTACHED THE LIST BEHIND IT THAT SHOWED YOU SOME OF WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN ORDER TO FREE APPLAUSE, NOT ONLY FOR THE SURTAX REQUESTED FOR THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS BUT ALSO THE SURTAX FOR THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER. THIS MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME TO TALK ABOUT BOTH OF THOSE THAT ONE QUICK NOTE BEFORE WE EVEN BEGIN, WE MIGHT WANT TO START WITH THE EELS C AND THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE WE SORT OF PUNTED THAT BALL LAST NIGHT WITH MEETING IN WE TOOK IT OFF OF THE BUDGET AMENDMENT THAT WITH THE FRONT OF YOU RECENTLY SAID YOU COULD HAVE A DISCUSSION SEE AND HEAR WHY IT WHAT WE DID TO MOVE THE EELS OFF OF THE PD PROJECT TO HIS OWN BUDGET FIND ITS FUNDING SEPARATELY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE POLICE FUNDING TODAY. >> ALL RIGHT I HAVE I SPEARS FOLKS. QUESTION FOR CLARITY SAKE. IF WE PRIORITIZE SURTAX PROJECTS. SO THAT 50 MILLION DOLLARS COULD BE ALLOCATED TO THIS PROJECT. I ASSUME, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG THAT 50 MILLION WOULD BE FLY FISCAL YEAR 2526 27 BASICALLY. BECAUSE THAT 50 MILLION WOULD HAVE TO BE PAID. IN THE NEXT 2 TO 3 YEARS SINCE THAT'S ONE OF THE BUILDING WOULD BE BUILT AM I CORRECT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT. BONDING A 100 AND A 122 MILLION AND THEN PAYING THE BONDS WITH THE 50 MILLION IN SURTAX WE'RE USING THE 50 DIRECTLY. SO AM I CORRECT THAT BASICALLY ITS FISCAL YEAR 2526 27 THAT THAT'S 50 MILLION WOULD BE AVAILABLE ROUGHLY 18 BILLION 18 MILLION A YEAR WHICH IS ROUGHLY TAKES 350 MILLION DIVIDED BY 15 YEARS. THAT'S WHAT YOU GET. >> IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE BONDING 50 MILLION AND IS IN THE SEARCH TAX REVENUES TO PAY THAT DEBT SERVICE SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A BOND FOR 50. YES PLUS. >> ADDITIONAL BONDS TO MAKE DIFFERENCE SO BASICALLY WE'RE LOOKING AT OTHER THAN MAYBE THE SALE ASSETS SOMEWHERE OR. SOME SORT OF IMPACT FEES WERE BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT. ON ANDREA MILLER, 122 MILLION DOLLARS AND THEN PAYING FOR IT. THROUGH. ANY ONE OF THESE FUNDING SOURCES, CERTAIN TAX IMPACT FEES SALE OF ASSETS. MILLAGE RATE INCREASE IN MY CAREER THAT THAT'S WHAT THE THAT PROPOSED CONCEPT THAT'S WRECK. AND COMMAND THAT I NEED UNDERSTAND OKAY, WE COULD TALK MORE ABOUT. SHOULD TAX EVERYBODY ELSE THAT'S PROBABLY HAVE MORE QUESTIONS BUT I JUST WANT TO GET THAT OUT THERE SO WE ALL UNDERSTOOD HOW THIS PROJECT WOULD BE ACTUALLY FUND IT. >> QUESTION THAT I HAVE A RELATED QUESTION TO THAT TOO. WE >> SO WHEN YOU'RE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO BE BONDING 50 MILLION DOLLARS. >> JUST TO BE IS THIS FOR THE ARE CHECKED OR THE OC PROJECT OR THE PD HEADQUARTERS. AND WHERE'S THAT 50 MILLION COMING FROM THAT WOULD BE PAID BACK WITH WHERE'S THE SURTAX COMING FROM WHAT WHAT PROJECTS ARE MOVING AROUND PEOPLE 50 MILLION. >> SO FOR ONE PRICE PHASE. WOULD MOVE OUT THAT WASN'T THERE AT 2 MILLION SAT WOULD MOVE ABOUT FREELY INTO A FUTURE SURTAX ISSUE IT WOULD NOT BE THAT WAS THE MAIN CHANGE WE MAKE SOME OTHER CHANGES. THERE HIGHLIGHTED IN THE MATERIALS. I BELIEVE THAT WAS I THE OTHER ROAD. >> WE'RE ALL FOR THE E E O C. OTHER YELLOW HIGHLIGHTED ONES WERE RELATED TO THE E E O C BUILDING. SO WE'RE STILL SHORT 18 MILLION FOR THE PD. >> SO YES, I BELIEVE 4 SPECIFICALLY FOR THE PD HEADQUARTERS ONLY THE PRICE SPACE TOO PROPOSED TO BE CHANGED IN >> THE COMMISSIONER STOKES SAID THAT 50 AND YOU YOU CONCURRED 50 MILLION WAS GOING TOWARDS THE PD PROJECT AND I'M ONLY SEEN 32 BONDING 50 MILLION SO THE WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE FIT AND THE DEBT SERVICE WITHIN THERE. >> IT'S NOT A TAKING 50 MILLION NOW A FITTING AND >> THAT WAS THE PAYMENTS ON 32 MILLION IS THE. AND THE OTHER 18 MILLIONS IS FEES AND INTEREST. >> YOU THINK OF IT THAT WAY THAT'S EXACTLY MANY THANKS TO YES YOU CAN THINK OF IT THAT WAY BECAUSE THE 30 IS WE'RE PAYING FOR THIS ALL RIGHT. BUT RATHER TAKING THAT OUT THERE WERE SAYING A PLACE THAT WITH NOW WE'RE FINANCING SOMETHING AND ALL WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DO IS MAKE THE PAYMENTS. OVER THE 15 YEARS. >> I WANT TO TRY AND KEEP THINGS REALLY SIMPLE UNEXPLAINABLE DOWN RIGHT TECHNICAL SO. THE 32 IS BASICALLY PRINCIPLE. 18 IS THE INTEREST AND FEES IN OF THE OTHERS. IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING. >> YOU THINK OF THAT WAY BUT THAT'S NOT TECHNICALLY ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A PLAN TO 30 MILLION WILL INSIDE THE EU 35 THROUGH NOW SAY THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND THAT WE'RE GOING TO THINGS AROUND WITH IN THIS 15 YEAR PLAN IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS THAT WE'RE AT AN ESTIMATED. >> SAYS UNDER DEBT SERVICE AT THE VERY BOTTOM OF THAT SURTAX CHARTED TO ITS DEBT SERVICE PRICE BOULEVARD 63 MILLION OVER 15 YEARS. AND IT'S THE 30 TO 7. 32.7 MILLION DOLLARS. ALL 3 5 YOU'RE IT. >> WELL YEAH, THE PRINCIPLE THAT WITH THE 50 AND TOTAL WITH. >> INTEREST. WOULD BE 74 MILLION. >> SO WE'VE GOT 32 FROM THE PRICE BOULEVARD NOW YOU'RE SAYING 50 IS GOING TO BE THE PRINCIPAL, SO WHERE'S THE OTHER 18 COMING FROM TO EQUAL NOW YOU'RE 74 WHICH IS THE TOTAL PRINCIPAL INTEREST AND FEES. >> THAT HAS WE ALSO AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE THE. FACTORING IN PAYMENTS FOR PRICE FULL WINDING THE PRINCIPLE OF OUR. REMEMBER WE HAD HIM HERE IN OUR PLAN HAS A. HEY NOW DOLLAR AMOUNT AND NOW WE'VE ALSO FACTOR THAT IN AND THE PAYMENTS THAT WE MAKE OVER THE 15 YEARS. >> I'VE TAKEN OFFLINE TALK ABOUT THIS CAUSE I BEST AT WHAT YOU'RE EXPLAINING WHAT I'M TRYING TO COMPREHEND AND UNDERSTAND. AND THE NUMBERS OUR. ESPECIALLY NOW THAT YOU'RE SAYING 74 MILLION AS OPPOSED TO THE 50 THAT COMMISSIONER STOKE SPOKE OUT TONIGHT, RIGHT THAT A COMMISSION YOU CAN TRY ALL YOU WANT TO I WOULD WELCOME AND MAYBE THIS EXPLANATION. >> SURE THERE'S 15 YEARS OVER WHICH ESTIMATED 350 MILLION DOSES SHOULD TAX COMES IN. THEY'RE OR WHAT PHASE ONE WHAT 70 MILLION 80 MILLION DOLLARS. ALREADY DEDICATED OF THAT SURTAX MONEY TO PAY FOR THE BOND SET. THE CITIZENS VOTED FOR LAST YEAR. SO SPREAD OUT OVER THE YEARS THERE'S A CHUNK OF THAT 350 MILLION BETTER GOING TO GO TO SERVICE. PRICE WHITENING FACE WANT. WHAT'S PROPOSED IS THAT. WE GO OUT AND BORROW WE BOND OUT LIKE WE DID FROM PRICE BOULEVARD WE AS CITIZENS WOULD BE ALL RIGHT FOR US TO BORROW MONEY. TO THE TUNE OF. BASICALLY WHAT'S GOING TO THE PRICE OF THE POLICE BUILDING LESS WHATEVER ASSETS WE CAN SELL SO PICK A NUMBER 100 MILLION. 100 MILLION DOLLARS OF NEW IT IS GOING TO BE PAID FOR 50 MILLION OUT OF CERTAIN TAX REVENUES, NOT TOUCHING THE PHASE, ONE PRICE. SO THERE'S MONEY'S THAT EVERY YEAR 18 MILLION A YEAR. PART OF THAT 18 MILLION IS GOING TO PAY DEBT SERVICE ON. PRICE WIDENING ONE. THAT'S COMMITTED. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF EXTRA MONEY LEFT OVER THAT WILL GO TO HELP SERVICE THIS 50 PER. THIS NEW BOND FOR THE POLICE BUILDING. IF WE USE OVER 15 YEARS 15 MILLION OFF IT WHICH WE COULD DO BITE. WE'RE RANGING SURTAX PRIORITIES. THEY'RE STILL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT SHIFTY. THAT WE'RE USING FROM SURTAX TO PAY A 100 MILLION DOLLARS. SO THAT'S THE REST HAS TO BE MADE UP FROM SOMEWHERE WHETHER ITS IMPACT FEES OR MILLAGE OR WHERE HOWEVER IT BUT BUT SHOULD TAX. DOESN'T GO DIRECTLY TO PAY FOR POLICE BUILDING GOES TO PAY FOR A PORTION OF FOOTBALL AND. BORROWING TO BUILD A POLICE BUILDING. FOLLOWING BECAUSE WE GET TO OVER A PERIOD YEARS WE NEED IT WITH AN 18 TO 24 MONTHS TO BUILD A BUILDING. SO YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE MONEY NOW I DON'T BUILDING SHE GOT OUT OR WE'RE GOING TO GO TO CHIEF GARRISONS BANK AND SAY GIVE US A 100 MILLION BUCKS WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A BUILDING AND THEN WE WILL PAY HIM BACK. ADULTS ARE TAX MONIES THAT ARE GOING TO FLOW. AND OTHER MINES THAT'S SORT OF THE CONCEPT HERE I APPRECIATE YOUR. >> IT'S A ****. IT HELPS I'M NOT A 100%, BUT I'M COMFORTABLE THERE. I WISH HAD AND >> YEAH I THINK THE FACT THAT YOU ♪ ♪ ALSO AND A LOT SO SORRY SO ALSO IN THE PROPOSED LIST OF WAYS WE WILL PAY FOR THE SPONSOR ATTACKS. THERE WAS ALSO A BOND REFERENDUM FOR $28,000 PUT SOME SO SORRY THE IOWA WHICH THREES THERE I WISH IT WAS SLASHED. MILLION DOLLARS AND THERE IS IT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT LINE ITEM A POTENTIAL MILLAGE RATE AND PAT. SO MY QUESTION IS. DO ANY OF THESE OTHER LINE ITEMS MILLAGE RATE IMPACT OR IS THAT. ONE MILLAGE RATE IMPACT THE ENTIRE 10222 MILLION DOLLARS. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING WAS THAT. >> THE REASON WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT HEY, LET'S LOOK AT SURTAX WOULD BE TO LESSEN THAT IMPACT ON RIGHT OR TO HAVE THIS REVENUE SOURCE. SO THIS IS URBAN CITIZENS AND VISITORS ARE GOING TO PAY THIS REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE I SO LET'S JUST USE THAT REVENUE SOURCE TO PAY FOR PORTION. THAT'S WHY WE WANTED TO RAISE THAT OVERALL IMPACT OF 22 MILLION TAKE IT DOWN BY 50. >> ANYTHING OTHER THAN UPON THAT WE PAY BACK BY. >> SURTAX THIS WON'T IMPACT THAN >> SO RIGHT NOW WITH WHAT WE KNOW IT WOULD BE THAT 28 MILLION DOLLARS THAT WOULD RESULT AND THEN MILLAGE RATE IMPACT. AND THE ENTIRE PROJECT. >> AND PROPOSAL OF HOW TO PAY FOR YEAH BUT WE'RE NOT AT THE POINT WHERE WE FUNDED THE WHOLE 122 I UNDERSTAND TAKE OFF THE 50 MILLION YEAH IN THAT REMAINDER AND ANYTHING FUNDING. WEEK HAVE SOME CAN WE USE A MILLION FROM HERE KNOWING FROM FEES. THOSE TYPE OF THINGS BUT THE BIG NUMBERS. >> WE'RE >> SO LET ME ASK THIS. >> DEPENDING UPON OUR ABILITY TO COLLECT OR IDENTIFY POTS OF MONEY HERE AND THERE. THE IMPACT TO THE MILLAGE RATE COULD CHANGE. >> DOESN'T IT DEPEND ON THAT THE AMOUNT YOU. ULTIMATELY DECIDE TO BORROW BUT WAS A 20 MILLION FOR THE BOND QUESTION THAT MILEAGE GREAT IMPACT WOULD BE 5.4 NOW ANYTHING ABOVE THAT CHANGE THAT. RIGHT THE ONLY OUT ON THE TABLE AS A REQUEST TO BORROW IS 28 >> SO AGAIN JUST TO REITERATE WHAT I THINK I HEARD WE'RE BONDING 100 MILLION MAYBE MORE. THESE ARE ALL THE DIFFERENT. I THAT WE WILL USE TO PAY OFF THAT BOND AND RIGHT NOW THE ONLY MILEAGE BACK AT WOULD BE 5.4 4, RIGHT NOW BASED ON THE NOW TODAY OK THANK YOU, I'M DONE FOR NOW OK, THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL, YEAH, SO. I'M GONNA GO BACK. >> TIME AND I HAD A BRIEF CONVERSATION JUST A LITTLE CITY MANAGER. NORTH PORT POLICE STATION. YOSSI AND THE FUTURE FINAL STAGE. WHEN WE APPROVED PURCHASING. THE 19 ACRES THAT'S GOING TO PRIMARILY THE. POLICE DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS. THE MATERIALS THAT I READ AND THEN WENT BACK TO COME FROM INCLUDING THE E E O C BUILDING ON THIS PERSON. AND THEN DURING THAT CONVERSATION. WE WERE TOLD 2 AND A HALF ACRES IS WHAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT NEEDED. AFTER THEY ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY TO FIND OUT WHERE THE WEAPONS OUT AND IN THE BACKUP MATERIALS WAS THIS SITE A SURVEY OF SORTS. AND IT SHOWS THE WETLANDS ARE ON THAT I DON'T HALF OF THE PROPERTY. AND THE TOP HALF IS THE BUILDABLE AREA. SO WHEN I WHEN I MADE THE MOTION APPROVED MY HOME FOR PURCHASING THIS PROPERTY. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE PLENTY OF SPACE FOR THE E E O C FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND WHEN WE HAD OUR MEETING LAST WEEK. WE WERE TOLD THAT PUBLIC FIRE DEPARTMENT FUTURE FIRE DEPARTMENTS NOT GOING TO BE PART OF THIS ANYMORE. SO I'M CURIOUS WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE EO SEE BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WAS STILL PART OF THIS. WHAT DID USE YEAH WE CAN PUT UP IN A >> GO TO IS KNOW THERE ARE CERTAIN ACTS IT'S LEADING TO THE QUESTION ABOUT THE THE OC SURTAX THAT I HAVE TO GO BACK BEFORE I CAN TALK ABOUT TODAY. >> TO GET A COKE CLEAR UNDERSTANDING. >> WAS THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS ON THAT THAT MILLION PART OF THE SUBJECT AS WELL TRYING TO SAY THERE'S QUESTION ABOUT 50 MILLION THEN. I WOULD LIKE. I COULD. BUT MINE THAT. I DON'T KNOW IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO TALK, I MEAN WE. WE MENTIONED THE 50. >> WE MENTIONED THAT COME FOR MILEAGE BUT WE STILL SHORTLY SHORT 122 MILLION SAVE THAT FOR IT JUST THE 5TH IS OKAY, OKAY. WELL PRESIDENT GO SEE WHAT TEST. SOME SURTAX IMPLICATIONS AS WELL ALL THEY GIVE YOU THE HISTORY OF HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY CIRCLE BACK TO SEE WHAT SHIFTED TO FUND THE ELC CLOSER TAX. >> SEPARATE FIRE CHIEF FIRE RESCUE DISTRICT. FROM THE INCEPTION OF THIS PROJECT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MOVING PARTS. I BELIEVE THE APPROVAL WAS JULY WAS RIGHT. SINCE THAT TIME THERE'S BEEN. WHETHER IT'S MISSION LEFT. ONE OF THE ABOUT US SO OUR MASTER SHOWS WHICH IS WHAT SPOKE TO OUR MASTER PLAN SHOWS THAT WE KNEW AT SOME POINT WITH HIS STATION UP FOR THE WEIGHT I 75 ON THE NORTH SIDE, SOME SOMEWHERE THERE. WE DO HAVE DEVELOPERS. LOOKING TO DEVELOP BETTER COME FROM THE BORDER LAST MONTH. WE ARE REQUIRING THEM WHICH PART OF A COVID DO WHAT'S CALLED A CONCURRENCY STUDY AND THE WAY BUILDUPS OF THE ME ACTUALLY TO BE. MORE THAN ONE FOR STATION ON THAT OCCASION WHERE THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE DON'T KNOW YET. WE ALSO DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THOSE PATIENTS WILL GO AS LOT OF THAT DEPENDS ON THE BUILD UP THAT ROAD NETWORK. HOW THOSE AREAS ARE AFFECTED AND EVERYTHING LIKE SO WE HAVE A FINAL APPROVAL. WHAT EXACTLY IS GOING TO BE OUT THERE WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE LOCATED. >> THINGS LIKE THAT IT'S VERY HARD FOR US TO SAY SPECIFICALLY THIS IS MISSION IS TO GO. IN ADDITION TO THAT. WE JUMP IN HERE IN TOWN THE FROM OFF A LITTLE BIT ADDITION TO THAT A SENSE PERSONAL PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT HAD TO DO WITH WHAT THAT IF YOU WANT SLOW THINGS BUT THERE'S A LOT MORE WETLANDS ON THE PROPERTY IS WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY ANTICIPATED. THE FOOTPRINTS OF WHAT YOU SAW THE OTHER DAY. PRETTY MUCH THE FOOTPRINT THAT IS AVAILABLE DEVELOP. SO THEIR SPOT. A LOT OF ADDITIONAL SUSPECTS. ADDITION TO THAT. THERE WAS TIMES WE'RE BACK AND FORTH A LITTLE BIT ABOUT DISCUSSIONS OF YOUR SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT BE WHAT ADVANTAGEOUS OR NOT A PATIENT BEEN IN THE FOOTPRINT OF THE PD BUILDING. >> PROS AND CONS OF BOTH THING I PRETTY STRONGLY. AS CHIEF AND SUPPORT OF THAT. THINK THAT'S THE BEST APPROACH THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE HERE IN THE CITY HALL COMPLEX FOR 8. A LOT OF NUMBER OF REASONS AND BEING INSIDE THAT BUILDING APD FOOTPRINT. COST YOU IT ALSO ADDS SOME RESTRICTIONS AS FAR AS WE WOULD HAVE TO DO THINGS TO PROVE THAT OUT. >> LEVEL OTHER THINGS THAN WHAT WE WILL BE REQUIRED. >> AND AS WELL AS FOR FUNDING AT SOME POINT THIS WAS A LITTLE WHILE BECAUSE NOWHERE. PERCENT PLANS ABOUT THAT THIS PROJECT WE DIDN'T KNOW FUNDS BECOME OR HOW IT WAS GOING TO VOTE US RECENTLY. >> HOW WORK THAT >> BUT. >> I WANT SAY IT'S WITHIN THE LAST 6 MONTHS AND FROM MONTHS. IT'S WHEN WE'VE GOT GET 30% OPPOSED TO ACTUALLY PUT MUCH OPERATION CENTER. >> COMMISSIONER VISUALLY YES WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FOOTPRINT. THERE WAS THE POSSIBILITY THAT YES. THERE'S GOING TO BE IN THE WORLD. ONCE. THE PROFESSIONAL START DIVING INTO IT. WE'RE GOING TO MITIGATED. >> THE WETLANDS A LOT >> MORE AT WHAT COST I'M NOT SAYING CAN'T BE BUILT THERE. BUT IT'S AT WHAT >> WE'RE GOING TO SUBJECT THAT TOO. SO THAT'S WHY THE FIRE CHIEF. AND IDEAS TO MITIGATE SOME OF THOSE COSTS PACKERS BY. HAVEN'T YOU ANOTHER LOCATION, TO THE FIRE STATION 81. >> WE BOUGHT THE 19 ACRES WITH. THE UNDERSTANDING IT WAS GOING TO BE PD THE OC AND FACT BASED ON THE CONVERSATION BASED ON MATERIALS THAT WE HAD THAT TIME. AND NOW THAT IT'S COMPLETELY CHANGED SO NOW WE HAVE 19 ACRES FOR JUST A POLICE STATION. WHEN IT. >> RIGHT NOW IT'S ALWAYS DOES IT GO OTHER. FUTURE USE FOR THE PROPERTY. YOU KNOW WHO KNOWS WHAT THE FUTURE USE OF THE PROPERTY. >> DO WE HAVE OF FOOTPRINT OF THE POLICE STATION IN RELATION TO THE 19 ACRES. YOU KNOW LIKE WHERE IF 30% DESIGN PLANS WILL. WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE IN RELATION TO WHERE PD IS GOING ON THAT 19 ACRES. >> IT IS AT THE VERY TIP TOP OF THAT KIND OF FUNNEL SHAPE PROPERTY THAT HAVE TO WANT USE. I HAVE THIS MAP, BUT IT'S THE SURVEY THAT SHOWS ALL THE WEAPONS ON THE BOTTOM. >> I COULD GET THAT >> MAYBE YOU CAN JUST SHOW US GENERALLY WHERE THAT'S GOING. >> FOR HEAD KNOW THAT ON THAT. YES, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PERFECT WILL GET THOSE ARE. THANK YOU. SO WE'RE BUILDING IN THIS PORTION HERE. >> THIS IS WHERE WE'RE CURRENTLY. IT'S GREAT TO HEAR. >> SO THE THE SURVEY IS PRETTY MUCH ACCURATE FROM WHEN WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, THE WETLANDS HAVE CHANGED. >> CORRECT THE WETLANDS ARE THERE AND AT AS CHIEF CARSON WAS KIND OF ALLUDING TO YOU CAN STILL MITIGATE THOSE IT'S JUST THAT WHAT COST YOU WANT TO PAY MITIGATE WETLANDS TO DEVELOP THE LAND AS WELL BUT THE WETLANDS ARE ON THE BOTTOM THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY TO MITIGATE. >> BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THAT WELL AS LOCAL 12 ACRES ON THE TOP. THE WHOLE POLICE STATIONS CAN TAKE UP TO 12 ACRES. >> BY THE TIME YOU HAVE THE IMPOUND LOT YOU HAVE THE POLICE STATION YOU HAVE THE SRT GARAGE WITH THE UPTICK GARAGES. POTENTIAL FUEL STATION THE REQUIRED PARKING FOR ALL THE. POLICE OFFICERS. IT DOES HEAT UP THAT PLAN. UP LAWMAKERS. YES. IF THERE THERE ARE STILL GREEN AREAS WITHIN THAT FOOTPRINT FOR FUTURE PARKING LOT PROS AND WHATNOT BUT YES, IT DOES HEAT UP THAT ENTIRE >> WELL THAT SHEDS A WHOLE DIFFERENT SUBJECT IN >> WHAT THE PLAN IS FOR THIS PD I I WAS COMPLETELY UNAWARE IT WAS CAN TAKE UP THE ENTIRE BODY OF THAT WENT SO THANK YOU FOR THAT CLAIRE AND I APPRECIATE THAT. SO BACK TO YOU KNOW SEE THEN NOW YOU SEE IS GOING OUT HERE BY STATION 81. WHAT'S ETA TO DO THE BOC. BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO BONDS. WE'RE SHIFTING AROUND SURTAX. >> OR ARE WE GOING TO TO PICTURES A LITTLE BETTER STICK TO THE TIMELINE A LOT OF UP >> GOOD AFTERNOON, PREPARED SO I BELIEVE A BUNCH OF THEM HE'S BEEN ON TODAY'S AGENDA COMING UP VERY >> PULLED IS ACTUALLY A LET'S OVER UNTIL THE 26. FACE IT. >> SO ONCE THE BUDGET PLEAS FOR WORKING ON THE CONTRACT AMENDMENTS TO CONTINUE DESIGN ALL. ONCE THAT COMES TO YOU OR ABOUT MY MOM'S AND DESIGN PERMITTING AND THAT SHOULD BE TO. CANDY NEXT SO CONSTRUCTION LIKE 25 START CONSTRUCTION. I WOULD SAY YES. >> THROUGHOUT ALL OF THESE VARIOUS CONVERSATIONS, IT WAS SAID THAT STATION 81 HAS TO BE REDONE AND TEMPORARY QUARTERS WE'RE GOING TO GO AT THAT CORNER THAT NOW THE UFC IS GOING TO HAVE SO WORSE TEMPORARY QUARTERS FOR YOU WON'T DO. >> SCOTT THANKS AGAIN TEMPORARY WILL STILL BE HERE IN CITY HALL COMPLEX MATTER OF WHERE SO GOING TO MAINTAIN A FOOTPRINT RESPONSE AREA HERE BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE ALSO THE STATISTICS SAY THAT WE SHOULD WHERE EXACTLY THE FOOTPRINT OF THE WHOLE CITY ALL COMPLEXES. >> WORKING ON THAT NOW BUT WHEN WE HAVE THAT WE WILL PROVIDE THAT TO YOU MORE THAN LIKELY DOING MINIMIZE STATIONS. PROBABLY LOOK FOR >> A TEMPORARY OFFICE SHELF SPACE REACH OUT FIND OUT THAT YOU CAN DO SHORT TERM WE SOMEWHERE JUST FOR SOME OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF, SOME OF OUR STAFF BECAUSE WE HAVE DIFFERENT AREAS OF FIRE STATIONS WE HAVE SHARE THEIR INSPECTORS CAN SOLVE A LITTLE BIT. SO WE'RE TRYING VERY FOOD WITH THE PLAN. >> WE TRY TO BE TO THAT SQUAD RIGHT TO GUN. BUT WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON OUT OF YOU CAN. >> I HAVE A MENSCH BETTER UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE THESE THESE SOUND LIKE ALL SEPARATE PROJECTS, BUT. FROM OUR BEGINNING OF OUR CONVERSATIONS WHEN WE PURCHASED THE LAND THEY WERE ALL INTEGRATED AND VERY WELL CONNECTED AND I WASN'T AWARE THAT THEY WERE COMPLETELY SEPARATED. >> BASED ON YOUR CONVERSATIONS THAT NEVER FILTERED DOWN TO SO I APPRECIATE THAT. >> SO AS FAR AS THE E E O C THAT 11 TO THAT IN THE SURTAX FUNDING THAT'S COMING AT THE END OF THE MONTH. >> YES, MA'AM OKAY, SO I I DO NOT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ANY FURTHER ON O C. THANK YOU FOR ANSWERING MY GENERAL. FROM QUESTIONS ON HOW WE GOT TO WHAT YOU GUYS KNOW NOW WE KNOW TOO SO THANK YOU. APPRECIATE THE INDULGENCE THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, VICE MAYOR. GOT WHAT. SHE'S MY QUESTION THAT ANSWER. >> ARE MOVING BACK TO GOALIES. STATION HEADQUARTERS. YOU WANT TO I MEAN. CAN I TAKE IT BEYOND SURTAX OR DO YOU WANT TO. >> IT WILL START DO SOME OF THE OTHER WITH BEFORE I WOULD >> ON SURTAX. IT'S 50 MILLION ENOUGH REMEMBER. WE'VE GOT TO GET IF IF THE PLAN TO BUILD A 122 MILLION DOLLAR. WE STATION. ASSUMING THAT SCOPE OF THE PROJECT. IT'S 50 MILLION ENOUGH. OR DO WE NEED MORE MONEY WE NEED TO BORROW A 122 MILLION DOLLARS. THAT'S THE NUMBER THAT IT TAKES TO BUILD A POLICE BUILDING. THE WAY IT'S BEEN PROPOSED RIGHT. >> THAT NO WE'RE NOT TRYING TO 20 BILLION DOLLARS. WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO BAR THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO PAY FOR SOME OF A $2 IN OTHER WAYS OTHER THAN BORROWING IS NOT. >> ONLY PLACE I SEE IS TO SELL >> SOME ASSETS OTHER THAN THAT. EVEN IF YOU RAISE THE MILLAGE RATE MILLAGE RATE COMES OVER YEARS AS SURTAX AS IMPACT FEES AS EVERY FUNDING SOURCE SO EVEN IF WE SOLD 10 MILLION SURPLUS. ASSETS THERE'S A 110 BILLION TO BORROW YOU HAVE BORROW NOW I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT ELSE IS MONEY COMING FROM THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IN THE NEXT 18 TO 24 MONTHS THE BOT TO BUILD THIS BUILDING THAT'S THAT'S PART OF THE CONVERSATION THAT WE'RE HAVING TODAY WESTON. >> BUT WHEN YOU SAY BORROW 22 MILLION DOLLARS THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PUT ON THE BURDEN OF AND THE BACK OF THE CITIZENS SAY IT'S A 120 MILLION DOLLARS. IT IS GOING TO HIT YOU IN THE WAY WHEN YOU SAY BARRING THAT'S WHAT THINKING OH WE'RE TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO PIECE THIS TOGETHER SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF BORROWING REQUEST AND THEN THAT AFFECTS FINANCIALLY. >> BUT MY QUESTION IS IF IF BUILDING PLANNED TO BE BUILT. WITHIN THE NEXT 3 YEARS BUILDING COMPLETED CORRECT. HOW MUCH MONEY. OTHER BORROWING. OTHER THAN BORROWING. IN 3 YEARS CAN WE RAISE SO THAT THAT 122 MILLION CAN BE REDUCED BY THAT AMOUNT >> I SEE THAT I CAN HELP YOU WITH YOUR QUESTION. >> SOMEBODY NEEDS HELP ME WITH THAT BECAUSE I DON'T SEE WHERE WE'RE COMING UP WITH MONEY IN THE NEXT 3 YEARS TO BUILD A 122 MILLION DOLLAR BUILDING. WE ALWAYS AND I I THINK I GET WHERE YOU'RE GOING BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS HEADED. >> IF WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH A 122 MILLION DOLLARS BEFORE WE GO OUT A BIT THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD WE HAVE TO HAVE THEM IN PACKING. YOU KNOW BANK ACCOUNT BEFORE WE CAN GO OUT TO BID, WHERE'S THAT MONEY COMING IF WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING OUT TO BID AND AND HOPEFULLY HAVING EVERYTHING COMPLETED IN 3 YEARS WHERE ARE WE GETTING THE 122 MILLION DOLLARS. IF WE'RE NOT ISSUING BUTTS. >> AND LET ME ADD TO THAT A LITTLE BIT WHAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ME IS TO SEE A YEAR-BY-YEAR VIEW. >> OF OUTFLOWS. >> HOW MUCH CASH ARE WE GOING TO NEED TO PAY FOR THE CONSTRUCTION AND WHAT TIME FRAME. >> AND THEN THESE VARIOUS. >> MATT SAID SURTAX HOW DOES THAT COME AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT BOTH OF YOU ARE TRYING TO GET TO EVEN IN A INCREASE THE MILLAGE RATE COMES IN AT A CERTAIN CANES. SO I DON'T THINK WE CAN REALLY I SHOULD'VE DONE THAT ALREADY HOW MUCH WE HAVE TO BORROW. TO HAVE THE MONEY IN HOUSE TO PAY FOR CONSTRUCTION. VS WHEN SIRTEX COMES IN AND WHEN TAXES COME IN AND WHATEVER OTHER BUCKET. THAT'S THE NUMBER WILL HAVE TO BOND OUT. IF WE SIMPLIFYING OR IS THAT PRETTY MUCH WE CITY MANAGER HAS A LITTLE BIT TOO DOWN THE LINE. WHEN YOU COME AT 2 TODAY, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. >> TODAY WE ARE TELLING YOU THAT WE BELIEVE THAT YOU CANNOT BORROW ANYTHING MORE THAN 50 MILLION DOLLARS. HE SAID THAT THE PERSON IN MEETING WE'RE GOING TO SEE BASED ON THE TIMING OF THE MONEY THAT WE COME IN AND HOW WE SEE SURTAX DIRECTOR IN MY RIGHT IS 50 MILLION OUR THRESHOLD THAT WE WOULD ADVISE OR WE WILL KILL WE GO DEEPER THAN THAT NOT GOING 50 MILLION WE'RE PUSHING IT JUST TO GET THAT WE'RE STILL A LITTLE BIT SHORT. >> 3 MILLION DOLLARS WE STILL NEED TO WORK OUT ELSEWHERE, BUT AND CIRCLING BACK TO THE QUESTION ABOUT HOW WE FIT THAT IN. WE ACTUALLY YOU KNOW 3 YEARS AGO WHEN WE DID THIS PROJECT LISTS WE HAD REVENUE PROJECTIONS BACK THEN THEIR PROJECTED THAT 360 MILLION AT THAT TIME. >> OR THAT'S 15 YEAR PERIOD WE'RE NOW PROJECTING AT 384 MILLION SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE TAKING ALL OF THAT. >> EXTRA THAT WE'RE PROJECTING IN REVENUES COME IN FOR A SURTAX AND APPLYING IT HERE SO THAT'S HOW WE TOOK OUT 30 AND WE'RE FITTING IN 50 THAT SERVICE FOR 50 THERE'S IT'S THERE ARE A LOT OF MOVING PARTS TO EVERYTHING THERE'S THAT'S YOUR MOVING PARTS ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT OURS, SO WE LET ME FOLLOW SUIT SO SO I FOLLOW THAT AND THAT'S WHAT I SEE THIS 50 MILLION LEVEL BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT AND DIVIDE OVER 15 YEARS, THE 315 380 WHATEVER NUMBER YOU WANT TO PICK. >> FOR PROJECTED MILLAGE RATE TOTAL DOT OR SURTAX TOTAL DOLLARS. THERE'S ROUGHLY 18 TO 20 MILLION 22 MILLION A YEAR PART OF IT HAS TO GO TO PRICE WIDENING FACE WHAT. WHAT'S LEFT IF YOU TAKE IT OVER 3 YEARS TOTALS ABOUT 50 MILLION THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE KEPT OUT TO PAY. 50 MILLION TOWARDS THIS POLICE STATION YOU ONLY HAVE REALLY OVER A THREE-YEAR PERIOD 50 MILLION ASSERT ACTUALLY QUIT HOLE BECAUSE THAT'S WE'RE GOING TO GET. SO I'M GOOD WITH THAT I GET THAT PART THEN I KNOW IT'S NOT A SEPARATE PONDING BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WITH A 5.4% INCREASE IN MILEAGE RATE WHICH IS WHAT WAS IN YOU KNOW THE STATISTICAL DATA PROVIDED THAT WOULD PROVIDE ANOTHER 28 MILLION OVER THE 3 YEAR PERIOD. SO NOW WE'VE GOT 28 PLUS 50. OK 10 MILLION ASSETS SALES, HOW MUCH IS LEFT YOU'VE GOT IMPACT FEES. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT COULD PROJECT HOW SHORT OUR THAT'S LEAVE TOO. COURSE THAT NUMBERS DON'T ADD UP TO THE PRICE EVEN A 100 MILLION DOLLAR POLICE STATION LET ALONE A 122 MILLION DOLLAR POLICE STATION SO I'M WONDERING WHERE WE GET NOW IF YOU WANT TO RAISE THE MILLAGE RATE. MORE THAN 5.4 4 OR YOU CAN TAKE THAT 28 MILLION ALL WITHOUT HIGHS. YOU WANT TO TAKE IT TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE THAT'S WHERE I'M I DON'T BELIEVE I'M JUMPING AHEAD. I MEAN THAT IS THE ESSENCE OF THIS MEETING AND THIS CONVERSATION IF WE DON'T FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH A 122 MILLION DOLLARS HOW WE'RE GOING TO PAY IT. I MEAN WHAT WE DO AND THAT AND I'M STRUGGLING WITH IT AND GET A LIFE CONSERVATIVES OVER REASONABLE BASIS TO FINANCIAL PERSON I CANNOT FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'RE COMING UP THE REST OF THE MONEY SO I'M ASKING WHERE. >> IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE IF THEY HAVE THAT IF IT WAS IN A WAY SHE TO THAT. >> THINK EVEN CONCEPTUALLY WOULD WORK. YEAH SOMETHING TO START WE'VE GOT A 122 MILLION WE'VE WE'VE WHITTLED IT DOWN TO 50. WHAT ABOUT THE REST. >> WHY DIDN'T YOU LET ME FINISH THE PRESENTATION THAT WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS YOU GET OF THE READY. WERE READING SORRY. >> I APOLOGIZE. >> THE FIRST DECISION THAT YOU HAD TO MAKE TODAY WAS TO UNDERSTAND WITH THE 15 EWING WAS COMING FROM TO APPROVE THE RESHUFFLING OF THOSE PROJECTS. >> THAT IS THE FIRST THING THAT YOU NEED TO DECIDE. IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT YOU'RE ALL OK WITH WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN ORDER TO GET TO THAT POINT ASSUMING THAT YOU TRUST OUR NUMBERS IN THE ABILITY TO BRING BACK TO YOU. IT'S BEEN A TOTAL FORMAT. BUT THIS IS NOT EFFORT OF FINDING ONE FUNDING SOURCE. IT'S EFFORT OF MULTIPLE POINTING SOURCES THAT WILL BE CHOSEN TO FUND THE PROJECT. THEN DECIDE IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE YOU WHAT NUMBER YOU WANT TO LONG BETWEEN THE ONE 22 WHICH IS THE CEILING THE PROJECT VERSUS THE 100 MILLION WHICH IS THE FLORIDA PROJECT MIXING THIS GOING FROM THERE. BUT IN THIS SCENARIO THAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO YOU ONLY ASKING TO BORROW IT WOULD AFFECT THE CITIZENS. THE 20 MILLION DOLLARS THAT WAS WITH US EARLIER ABOUT COMMISSIONER LANGDON IN THE SCENARIO WHICH WOULD BE A 5 WITH 44% MILLAGE INCREASE FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT FOR THAT PARTICULAR BAR AND SO IF YOU TAKE THOSE 2 NUMBERS THAT WE GO FROM THERE BECAUSE WE EXPLAIN THE SURTAX ON THE ELC I THINK WE'RE GOOD ON THAT I THINK. I THINK SHE'S EXPLAINED THE NEED TO MOVE THE PROJECT THE WAY THAT WE HAVE IT THERE'S NOT ANY OBJECTION TO THAT WE WILL KEEP GOING ON THAT PATHWAY AS WE. DON'T OUT THE PROCESS. PART OF THAT PROCESS INCLUDES SOME. PAPERS WERE DESIGNED AND I'M NOT MISTAKEN CHIEF. THE COULD YOU GIVE A TO GIVE UP 30% TO NOW WE'VE GOT TO GET THE OTHER WAS IS THAT GOING ON. ROUGHLY 4 MILLION DOLLARS THAT'S ALSO NEXT PHASE IN THIS PROCESS FOR ME AND ALL THAT NIGHT ANYTHING THERE'S A YOU KNOW FOR YOUR WHERE IS AS WE TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW SOFTEN THAT. SO YOU TAKE THE 50 MILLION DOLLARS THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT WITH SURTAX IT WAS OKAY WITH THAT YOU TAKE THE 28 MILLION DOLLARS IF YOUR OKAY WITH PUTTING THAT POOR IN THE FALL TONIGHT, IT 78 MILLION DOLLARS. OKAY THAT'S WAY RIGHT NOW. HOLD THAT NUMBER OF WHAT WE KEEP GOING THROUGH PROCESS. SO AT A CERTAIN TAX WHICH IS QUESTIONS BOTTOM 6. YOU HAVE GRANITE STATE APPROPRIATION OPPORTUNITIES CONSIDERATION. THIS CATEGORY IS ONE THAT IS GOING TO BE PUT BACK STAFF AND OUR TEAM WE HAVE OUR GRANT MANAGER ABOUT ENOUGH ISSUES GOING TO OR WITHOUT LEGISLATIVE IT THAT HOT A TIME MILES. WE BELIEVE THAT THERE IS ROOM THE STATE FUNDING TOWARDS PROJECT BECAUSE IT QUALIFIES WHEN IN THE CITY AS FAR AS INFRASTRUCTURE PUBLIC SAFETY. YOU ADD THAT TO SRQ FUND THAT IS CURRENTLY BEING MANAGED BY THE COUNTY AND WE PLAN ON ASKING FOR 20 MILLION DOLLARS OUT OF THAT PUT AS WELL WOULD BE ANOTHER FUNDING SOURCE. BUT AS YOU HAVE YOUR QUESTIONS PAUL THE SECOND IT. THESE ARE THE KIND OF FUNDING SOURCES THAT WE BELIEVE WE SHOULD BE EXPLORING TO MINIMIZE THE BORROWING EFFECT ON CITIZENS. HAVE THEREFORE QUESTIONS. >> OKAY I JUST WANTED CLARIFY THAT YOU HAD WE STARTED ONE 22, BUT WE'RE NOT SURE WON'T TAKE THAT DOWN TO A 100 MILLION THAT STILL TO BE DECIDED WHAT WANT TO YOU GIVE US DIRECTION FOR WHAT THEY DO SAY THAT GOING TO JUMP >> OKAY AND SO FAR WE HAVE FIGURED OUT 78 MILLION OF THAT SO IT'S RIGHT AT THE REMAINING AS 44 MILLION. WHERE THAT WOULD COME FROM AS GOOD AND YOU JUST MENTION SOME POSSIBILITIES TO ONE MORE TO WHAT GOING HAVE THAT ANSWER 44 MILLION IS REALLY THE NUMBER WORKING THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT USUALLY DOUBT THAT OK I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE CAN AND IS THAT OKAY YEAH I HAVE MET I MENTIONED. >> NOW ITS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU JUST BROUGHT UP TO 4 MILLION ON THE PLANS AND THE DESIGNS AND TIME BECAUSE WE'RE AT A 30%. ONE 22 MILLION IS A GOOD WHAT'S OUT THERE WHAT THEY PERCEIVE IT TO POSSIBLY COST LOT OF TIMES AND THOSE ANALYSIS THAT COME IN UNDER THAT COST BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS SCREAM HIGH. LET'S BEAT THAT. SO WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THAT EXACT NUMBERS GOING TO BE UNTIL WE GET THOSE PLANS 200%. 2 WERE THEN WE CAN GO OUT TO WITH CONTRACTORS AND GET OUR YOU KNOW MAXIMUM CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND WHAT THAT ACTUALLY GOING TO COST US FOR THE BILL. AND IT'S ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT 122 MILLION DOLLAR. PRICE TAG THAT'S TURNKEY THAT INCLUDES EVERYTHING INSIDE THE BUILDING BUILDING ITSELF IS ABOUT A 100 MILLION WITH THE EXTRA SHELTER SPACE THAT WE'RE PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE. SO THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS GOING ON AND THAT OVER 100 MILLION BECAUSE IT MAY COME DOWN. WE MAY WANT TO GO DIFFERENT ROUTES WITH FURNISHINGS THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS OUT THERE THAT STILL TO BE DISCUSSED ABOVE WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. THE MAIN THING IS JUST GETTING TO THAT 100% DESIGN. >> RIGHT UP IN THERE THE TEAM WORKING ON THAT IN AGAIN FINANCE AND EVERYONE IS HELPING TRYING TO FIND FINANCIAL SOLUTION FOR THAT ASKED BUT IS A PART OF THE BUS THIS THIS EXTERNAL TO THE CONVERSATION TODAY THAT HAS TO BE ANSWERED FOR JOIN THAT SO READY TO WIN AND ONE LAST TO ON THAT LET'S SAY IT WAS 4 MILLION FOR THAT THAT COMES UP WITH A ONE 22 BECAUSE THAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE TOTAL PRICE PACKAGE SO. I'M JUST SAYING IT'S PART COST DOING THE ONE 22 SO THAT WOULD BRING ONCE WE AGREE TO THAT THAT BRINGS IT DOWN ONE A KING. IT KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE SPENDING MONEY THAT WE'RE ALREADY LOOKING AT TRYING TO GET AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ONE TO 22.22 MILLION. LET ME JUST REMIND US THAT THE ONE 22 WITH FOR A BUILD OUT OF 2065 I REMEMBER CORRECTLY IF THE LORD THAT YOU HAD DOUBT THAT WAS DEALT TO 2050 WHICH IS KNOW 26 YEARS AWAY. I THINK THERE ALSO NEEDS TO BE SOME CONSIDERATION. HOW FAR DO YOU REALLY NEED TO BUILD OUT TOO. YOU KNOW. IT'S GREAT TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE OF THAT IS MAKING POWER OR YOU WANT PUT OUT WHO IS GOING TO BE IMPORTANT IN DECISION-MAKING AS WELL AS THE PRICE SORT AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT BUT WE'RE DOING AND THAT TODAY'S PRICES NOT THOSE PRICES DOWN THE ROAD YOU'VE GOT A LOOK AT WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITIZENS IN IN IN TOTAL DESTRUCTIVE SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HAVING THESE DISCUSSIONS, THANK YOU. I I MAYOR. >> FOCUSING JUST ON THE GRANTS THAT YOU MENTIONED IT'S SO WE'RE ENVISIONING ON THE SRQ ASK FROM THE COUNTY THE HOOD MONEY IN ADDITION TO WHATEVER OTHER ASSETS WE HAVE WITH REGARD TO INFRASTRUCTURE AND OTHER THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT SCHOOL FOR 28 INDICATED TO THIS BUILDING. >> YES WE DO NOT WE DO NOT CHANGE THE ASK FROM ALL HAVE SEEN WHO IS ALREADY GOING FORWARD BUT AS THE OPPORTUNITY NOW EXISTS FOR US TOO. BUT AS MUCH AS WE CAN ON THAT TABLE KNOWING THAT WE WILL NOT GET EVERYTHING THIS ON THAT TABLE AND THEY THEY WILL PRIORITIZE IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN IT WILL PRIORITIZE WHAT WE HAVE ASKED FOR SO ONE THING WILL NOT SORT OF REPLACE THE OTHER BUT HAVING THIS ON THE TABLE IF THEY QUALIFY IF NEED KELVIN ALLOWED IT TO BE SELECTED IT WOULD BE HELPED TO THIS PROJECT AS WE TRY TO CUT FOR FALL. >> SO BE A COUPLE OF MILLION DOLLARS FOR MIGHT AWAY WITH MONEY OR EVEN 5 OR WAR FROM STATE OR FEDERAL LEVELS. TO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS PROJECT IF WE COULD GET IT OVER THE NEXT YEAR OR 2. >> YES, I BELIEVE YOU KNOW OUR GRANTS DIVISION WORKS EXTREMELY HARD AND MISTER MILES WORKS EXTREMELY HARD WITH THE PEOPLE AT OUR STATE LEVEL. 2 MAKE OUR NEED TO KNOW. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF GORI IT AND OVER THE LAST A YEAR PLUS THAT SHE HAS EXPERIENCED 13. I FEEL LIKE PART OF THIS ASKED OF THE 122 MILLION WE CAN'T ASK THE CITIZENS TO DO SOME OF THE WORK WE ARE ASKING THE COMMISSION TO DO SOME OF THE WORK AND MAKE SACRIFICES. WE HAVE THE STAFF MUST DO OUR PART AS WELL SO WE NEED TO GET OUT THERE AND FOUND A WITH BRING SOME MONEY TO THE TABLE AS WELL I THINK THAT'S HOW WE DO OUR PART. SO BASICALLY. >> YOU'RE TALKING 50 SURTAX 28 MILEAGE. 20 CLOSER TO 30 IN TOTAL GRANTS WE WERE TO GET THE SRQ IN ADDITIONAL GRANTS. MAYBE PROPERTY RIGHT ONTO A TEEN CHOICE HOW WE CREEP OUR WAY UP THAT'S WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THERE MORE. >> THERE IT ALL THAT AND MORE QUESTIONS RAIN THIS BEFORE I GO. COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL WAS A >> SO IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY WE I DON'T REMEMBER FEDERAL OR STATE APPROPRIATIONS REQUEST. >> OR. >> THIS PROJECT. >> WE. >> TO GET IT WIN IT. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN APPROPRIATIONS REQUEST. I THINK IT WAS AT THE STATE LEVEL FOR THE PD. WHAT'S 5. OUR GREATEST ON THE WAY. >> DO YOU THAT MIGHT ALLEN KOSKI A GRANTS DIVISION MANAGER. WE DID APPLY TO THE 2 YEARS WE DID NOT GET IT. WE HAD SOME PROBLEM GETTING SOME STATE SUPPORT. I'M MANAGING THAT THOSE FUNDS AND WE DIDN'T GET THE STATE SUPPORTING TIME. FOR IT TO GO THROUGH WITH THE FEDERAL. ALL RIGHT FOLKS AND I THINK FOR IT. >> THIS YEAR WE'RE THE APPROPRIATIONS REQUESTS AT THE STATE LEVEL I CALL THIS MORNING THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THE STATE IT WAS OR WAS INTERSECTION. >> INTERCHANGE I'M SORRY SOME TURN I 75 INTERCHANGE WAS ONE PROJECT AND I BELIEVE THE OTHER ONE WAS WATER AND SEWER EXPANSION THIS MAKES SOME SENSE WITHOUT COURSE HEADQUARTERS IF I MAY. >> COMMISSIONER SO I DO BELIEVE WE SEE DID WHEN WE WENT UP TO TALLAHASSEE WE SEE NEXT YEAR'S ASKS THAT'S AND THAT'S WHY IT'S SO CONFUSING AND PD WAS PART OF THAT AND NOW I GET BE A I THINK ONE WAS 5 MILLION THE OTHER WAS 500,000 OR SOMETHING YOU MENTIONED, AND WE WERE SORT OF SETTING THEM UP FOR NEXT YEAR'S ASK REFRESH MAY WHAT WE PLANNING TO ASK FOR NEXT YEAR. 5 MILLION OR 500,000 THERE WERE 2 ASKS. BUT THE STATE LEVEL AT THE STATE LEVEL. ANYONE HELP US BECAUSE HE DID THE TALKING POINTS FOR LEGISLATIVE DAYS. SO GREAT. >> I POINTED OUT THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN TORE. THE YMCA OFFER THE RIGHT IN THE REGION TO ACCURATE. TODD MILES WHAT TO SAY THEY'RE JUST WEEKLY REVIEW. YOU KNOW WE'RE GOING THE WORK. LOOKING CURRENT REQUEST 500,000 FOR THE YMCA PROJECT REQUESTED BY THEM AND THAT SUPPORTING WE PROPOSE ANY BUCHANAN HAS A NEW STATE BUDGET. WE HAVE ALSO QUES THIS YEAR PRICE. GETTING THE SECOND REQUEST. WE'VE BEEN FROM RECEIVE MILLION DOLLARS THIS YEAR. THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD WITH HIM ABOUT THIS PROJECT. WE'RE SUSPECTED LEE. THERE WERE NO DOLLAR AMOUNTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT I THINK WE WOULD TO KIND OF WARM THEM UP TO THE TOP. WE NEED TO HAVE SOME CONVERSATIONS HERE PROBABLY WITH OUR FOLKS UP IN TALLAHASSEE TO SEE WHAT'S A REASONABLE REQUEST. THE CIRCUMSTANCES ONCE THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE PUTTING ON THE TABLE BECAUSE THAT'S ALWAYS THE FIRST STATE BUDGET YOU KNOW HOW MUCH OF YOU PUT IN AND WHAT'S THE GAP. SO I DON'T THINK WE QUITE TO THE POINT WHERE WE CAN DUSAUTOIR NUMBER. >> IT'S ALL AS FAR AS THE GRANTS AND STUFF. THANK YOU FOR THAT AS FAR AS THE GRANDSON STEP YOU CAN'T COUNT ON IT BECAUSE WE CAN APPLY FOR TO PLY 4 4 IN SAY YES. THERE'S NO WAY TO REALLY PLAN FOR SO FOR FOR TODAY'S DISCUSSION GRANTS ARE PRETTY MUCH JAIL. I WOULD AGREE THAT YES. >> I WOULD NOT ATTRIBUTE ANY DOLLAR AMOUNT TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR GRANTED. THIS IS JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THAT THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE'RE EXPLORING. >> ASK ONE FOLLOW-UP QUESTION REGARDING SURTAX AND JUST REAL QUICK BECAUSE IT HAS TO DO WITH THE THAT 50 MILLION LOVE. PRICE BOULEVARD PHASE 2. I STILL HAVE OUR FACE TOO INCLUDES THE FRENCH OVER MY HEAD CREEK. THAT'S NOT TO BEING CONSTRUCTED WITH PHASE ONE OF PRICE BOULEVARD. SO IF WE ARE PUSHING IT'S SO FAR OUT. WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT THE CONDITIONS OF THAT BRIDGE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED SOONER RATHER THAN LATER. >> ICU NURSES >> PUBLIC WORKS MISTER WIZNER MAKING THEIR WAY DOWN THE AISLE. THE NEXT CONTEST THAT WHAT IS THE ANSWER. >> PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE. >> SHOW US AND DIRECTOR PUBLIC WORKS. WE ARE WORKING TO THE DESIGN OF THAT NOW AS YOU MENTIONED THAT THE COST OF THAT HAS NOT BEEN DETERMINED YET, BUT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR HAVING THAT A SEPARATE CONVERSATION. >> GOOD IF WE'RE REMOVING A POTENTIAL FUNDING SOURCE TO DO THE PD STATION. LOVE THE PD STATION BUT A BRIDGE IS FAR MORE IMPORTANT. BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN TOLD WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT BRIDGE SOONER THAN LATER. SO WHEN IS THAT GOING TO BE ADDRESSED. 2 YEARS 5 YEARS 20 YEARS WHAT DOES THAT TERM I'M KIND OF LOOKING LIKE. >> WE HAVE BEEN LOOKING WITHIN THE NEXT 5 YEARS WE ARE LOOKING FOR MULTIPLE DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES AS WELL. >> OKAY AND IT IS. >> BASED ON THAT ANSWER FOR PUSHING OUT PHASE 2 OF PRICE BOULEVARD TO A DATE UNKNOWN BECAUSE SURTAX 5 HASN'T BEEN APPROVED YET. IS THAT BRIDGE GOING TO BE A STAND-ALONE PROJECT OR IS THAT GOING TO BE STILL TIED IN WITH PHASE 2 OF PRICE BOULEVARD >> IF THIS CHANGE HAPPENS WE'D BE LOOKING FOR THIS TO BE A STAND-ALONE PROJECT PROBABLY FROM. THE TERMINUS OF HE'S ONE TO THE BRIDGE. 2 MILE SECTION. AND THE ORIGINAL. >> HOLD FOR. 7 TO 10 YEARS IS THAT ABOUT I WANT IT'S GOING TO TAKE IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO CONVERSATION WILL BE ALSO LOOKING AT TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WE CAN YOU KNOW, THERE. YES TOUGH ON THIS THANK YOU THANK YOU. >> OKAY, I KNOW THE MANAGER WANT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE SOMETHING >> YOU CAN KEEP GOING I HAVE SOME GENERAL SUGGESTIONS. SO YOU CAN KEEP GOING NEED TO JUST ANSWER YOUR PURSE AT A WILL IT IS SO THE NEXT YOU HAVE WITH NUMBER 8 ADDITIONAL TAX CAN ANOTHER TAXI AND ON TOP OF THE CURRENT ADDITION OF ANOTHER ANY TAX PAY FOR THE PURPOSE OF NEW POLICE HEADQUARTERS. AND THE ANSWER WAS NO WE DO NOT HAVE LEGISLATIVE A WHOLE OR HOME RULE AUTHORITY TO LEVY ANOTHER. >> AND THE 9 WITH PT IMPACT THESE CAN MAYBE RAISE HOW MUCH WITH SURE THERE IS WAS YES TO IMPACT THESE CAN BE RAISED IF A DEMONSTRATED NEED STUDY IS COMPLETED THAT SHOWS EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUIT THING. THIS IS JUSTIFYING THE NEED TO EXCEED. THE TIMING AND AMOUNT PATIENCE IT GO TO STATUTE. THAT CITY ATTORNEY PROVIDES MORE INFORMATION ON THIS PROCESS, BUT I THINK FACT HE'S WITH THE WIND IT VICE-MAYOR MISSION EARLIER TAKE A PAUSE HERE AND WHAT YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THAT RESPONSE TO GIVE YOU A QUESTION YOU'RE GOING TO GET BACK TO BELIEVE EAST AND ABOUT THE NOTE-TAKING AND IMPACT FEES AS WELL POLICE IN IN YOU HAVE. >> QUESTION >> MORE YOUR GUIDANCE I I CAN WAIT AND THERE DEFINITELY AN IMPACT SO OKAY, PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT DOES IT MATTER GOING OVER APPRECIATING THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THEY COULD BE RAISED, I KNOW WE JUST RAISED THEM, BUT THERE CRITERIA BY WHICH YOU CAN RACE THEM AGAIN. ONE MIGHT THINK THAT THERE. THE REALITY EXISTS TO BE ABLE TO DO SO AS A RESULT TO BE. EXTREMELY GREAT GROWTH THE CITY'S EXPERIENCED STUDY THAT WAS DONE TO ESTABLISH THE EXISTING IMPACT FEES WERE BASED ON POPULATION ESCALATION THAT WE HAVE FAR FAR FAR EXCEEDING SO POTENTIALLY WE COULD DO THAT ASSUMING WE COULD IS THERE ANY IDEA I MEAN THE CONTRIBUTION TO THIS PROJECT OVER A THREE-YEAR PERIOD. IT 1 MILLION 2 1 MILLION 5 1 MILLION 10 1 MILLION 50 MILLION LIKE. I HAVE NO IDEA SO I'M JUST TRYING TO LESS THAN 5 MILLION IS THAT LESS THAN 3 MILLION LESS THAN TEND. >> LIKE ITS STILL WAY TO ALL PARK AM NOT LOOKING FOR JUST TRYING WRAP MY HEAD AROUND ALL NUMBER AND SEE HOW MUCH OF THE CONTRIBUTIONS MAKE. >> GET WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT A POTENTIAL STUDY MAY RETURN. REALLY EVEN IT WOULD TAKE A LONG TIME, RIGHT NOW WHAT. >> DURING COURSE OF THE YEAR WHAT OR WHAT IS THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF IMPACT FEES WE GET RIGHT NOW. IF YOU >> WONDERING WHY MAKE A SUGGESTION. BUT THESE DIFFERENT SOURCES OF FUNDING RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IMPACT PERHAPS WE COULD STRUCTURE A CONVERSATION TO HAVE EVERYONE QUESTION AND COMMENT ON THAT CATEGORY RATHER THAN JUMPING BACK AND FORTH SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IMPACT FEES I HAVE SOMETHING SPECIFIC TO IMPACT FEES LIKE TO SAY, BUT IF COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL GOES IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, SO I'M WONDERING IF MOVING FORWARD WE MIGHT STRUCTURE THE CONVERSATION BASED UPON POTENTIAL DOING WELL WASN'T OBVIOUSLY WANT REALLY BECAUSE THEY BEEN TRYING TO GET THROUGH THESE POINTS AND THE DIRECTOR MY LAST FISCAL YEAR WE. >> RECEIVED FOR NON WEST VILLAGES. I'M JUST UNDER 500,000. >> ENFORCEMENT IMPACT FEES, OKAY. IT'S GOOD THAT >> DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE POLICE IMPACT FEES. GENERAL THAT COMING UP WITH ANOTHER. WELL THE POLICE IMPACT FEES AS PART THE THAT THEY'RE SEPARATE ITEMS ON HERE SO WE CAN GO THROUGH HERE AS COMMISSIONER LANGDON. THAT I THINK THAT'S A GOOD PLAN HERE THE NEXT ONE IS GO AHEAD CITY MANAGER. >> THE NEXT QUESTION REGARDING TAX ASSESSMENT IS THERE IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY SIMILAR TO THE WALL WORK WHICH CURRENTLY PAY $46 PER YEAR SO HOW MUCH AND THAT THIS REQUIRE EVERYONE TO PAY IN THE U.S. WAS NO WE DID NOT HAVE THE LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY TO ASSESS FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVICES DISAPPEAR. TEXAS. >> I'VE A QUESTION. >> WE CANNOT ASSESS. ASSESSMENT OR THE POLICE STATION. HOW DOES A POLICE STATION NOT CONSIDERED INFRASTRUCTURE. SO A POLICE STATION IS INFRASTRUCTURE. >> BUT WE'RE >> ASSESSMENTS AND I'M. >> MY MONEY'S OKAY, DIRECTIONAL CORRECT. THIS IS INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT THAT IS NOT THE TEST WHERE WE CAN LOVING ASSESSMENTS. THE LEGAL TEST IS THAT THE PARTICULAR PROPERTY HAS TO HAVE A SPECIFIC BENEFIT. AND THE STATUTES IN THE CASE LAW HAVE OPINED THAT SOMETHING LIKE POLICE HEADQUARTERS IS NOT GOING TO GET A SPECIFIC BENEFIT TO A PROPERTY THE WAY THAT PERHAPS A ROAD IMPROVEMENT. WHERE ROAD IMPROVEMENT HAVE A BENEFIT TO PARTICULAR PROPERTIES AND NOT THE CITY AS A WHOLE. WE CANNOT USE ASSESSMENT SPORTS KIND OF GENERAL GOVERNMENT PURPOSES AND A POLICE HEADQUARTERS THE POLICE BUILDING WOULD BE CONSIDERED GENERAL GOVERNMENT PURPOSES AND I I I KNOW HE'S IN SUMMER TERMINOLOGY BUT THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN MY CAR IMPACT CATEGORIES AND ALSO BECAUSE THERE IS NEW INDIVIDUALIZE SPECIAL BENEFIT TO PARTICULAR PROPERTIES AND ASSESSMENT IS NOT LEGALLY APPROPRIATE. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK WAS THE QUESTION REGARDING COMMISSION REGARDING SELLING ASSETS CAN WE IDENTIFY WHICH PROPERTIES CITY OWNS THAT COULD BE POTENTIALLY SO FOR PLUS MILLION DOLLARS BASED ON THE PARCEL THAT WE HAVE WE THAT >> TESTED TOO. IN THE PRESIDENT. IN INFORMATION THAT WE SUBMITTED IT LISTED STARTING REALTY AVENUE TO THE PROPERTY THAT WE FIGHT TO GET DEVELOP OUT EXTERNALLY AND THAT NOT. >> LITTLE SUCCESS. BUT ITSELF BY THAT IS 7 MILLION DOLLARS YOU WOULD LIKE TO BUT THE TABLE FOR CONSIDERATION, IT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO SO IT WAS UP 20 AND WITH IT AT THE VERY END OF THIS LIST IS GOING TOP THE BOTTOM THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE QUESTIONS ON THOSE BETWEEN IS ONE OF THOSE GREAT SO YOU HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT PROPERTY THIS WEEK. AND WE RECEIVED POSED BY THE OR COULD. YEAH AND YOU KNOW THE PERSON TOOK INFORMATION SAID IN ORDER TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT YOU HAVE WILLING TO SELL. YES, FOR IT TO FOR THEIR OWNERSHIP AND SO ONE QUESTION IS. >> IS THERE ANY. >> DESIRE TO CONSIDER THAT AS A SALE. I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER SO TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. YES, NO OR MAYBE SO THAT WE NEED TO KNOW TO EXPLORE THAT OPTION AS WE COMPLETE THAT TASK CONJUNCTION WITH THE TASK. A RIGHT THERE ON SUNDAY WOULD HAVE OK SO TO DO A SO WE WANT TO TAKE WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT WARMER SPRINGS FIRST AND THE IT IS THE BIGGEST ONE ON YOU GO TALK ABOUT OVER EVER YOU LIKE THAT, WE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW AS TO VICE MAYOR POINT ARE THESE. ASSETS TO BE CONSIDERED IN THE PRICE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FOR RIGHT RIGHT. >> OKAY, LET'S JUST TALK ABOUT THAT NOW IF YOU WANTED TO BRING OUT SOMETHING THAT WE'LL HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT SOMETHING SPECIFIC IF THAT'S BROUGHT UP THAT PARTICULAR PARCEL. COMMISSIONER LANGDON. >> YEAH, FIRST UP SO WHAT I WOULD PREFER TO DO IS GO THROUGH EACH OF THEM AND GIVE YOU MY OKAY. MY THOUGHT ON WHETHER SHOULD BE CONSIDERED OR NOT ITALY WAS EVEN BEFORE WE HAD HAD IT AS PART OF A POTENTIAL 3 AND DALLAS WHITE. IT HAD BEEN PLANNED FOR A COMMUNITY CENTER THAT NOW WE'RE NOT PLANNING FOR GIVEN THAT THE Y IS GOING IN RIGHT DOWN THE STREET, SO WE HAVE A 7 MILLION DOLLAR PROPERTY. IT'S CURRENTLY PARK PROPERTY, BUT IT'S PRETTY CLOSE ADJACENT TO OUT WATER SO SEE YOU KNOW WE HAVE AT WATER SERVICE SAYING THAT AREA SO FOR ME. WE HAVE POTENTIAL 7 MILLION DOLLARS FLOATING OUT THERE WITH NO REAL PURPOSE THAT THE CITY HAS YET IDENTIFIED THAT WOULD BE ON MY LIST THAT SAY YESTERDAY THAT WOULD BE A YES FOR ME. SO CITY'S CENTER BOULEVARD THAT WOULD BE SELLING CAR AND POLICE HEADQUARTERS DO I HAVE THAT IT'S NOT. WELL WHAT IS IT. IT'S A PROPERTY BEHIND THE FOOTBALL FIELDS. TENSE AND BILL I HAVE A MASK. CENTER FOOTBALL FIELD OF SURROUNDING LAND. SO THERE IS THAT. THE FOOTBALL FIELD YOU TAKE. I HAVE A QUESTION MARK THERE I WAS THINKING IT WAS SOMETHING ELSE. AND I WOULD CONSIDER AT. BUT I NEED MORE INFORMATION BEFORE I COULD DO THAT. >> BUT 6 O ONE SUMTER BOULEVARD FOR ME THAT IS THE BUT ONE OF THESE IS THE FIRE STATION. >> WELL, NO I'M JUST ASKING STAFF WE NEED SOMEONE TO COME DOWN AND TALK TO THE PROPERTY, YEAH OF LOCATIONS THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL BUT THEY'RE NOT A LITTLE MATH. AND THEN WAS MAYOR. >> WHICH PARTS ARE WE LOOKING AT RIGHT LET'S START WITH THE SECOND ONE SINCE I DON'T THINK I HAVE I'M CERTAINLY NOT CLEAR WHERE IT IS AND WHAT IT'S CURRENTLY DOING YOU HAVE WELL SO THIS IS THE FOOTBALL FIELD IF YOU KEEP GOING FALLEN ON THE. >> I KNOW HOW. >> ALL RIGHT SO I CAN SEE WHAT WE WERE GOING. SO RIGHT HERE. YOU CAN SEE WHERE CITY HALL AND EVERYTHING IS AND THERE'S MORE COMMUNITY CENTER NOW THIS AREA RIGHT BACK HERE. IT'S 100 PROPERTY. >> THE LITTLE BOX IS LIKE IF YOU SEE THE OUTLINE. IT CITES HIS BIG HUGE THE WHOLE THING IS THE PARCEL ID NUMBER THAT STARTS LIKE THE NUMBER IS A LARGER AMOUNT OF THIS BECAUSE SOME OF THAT IS WHAT WE WANT END IT. IT'S REALLY ONLY BEEN CALCULATED TO BE ABOUT THIS MUCH REALLY WASN'T ANY CURRENT PLANS AGAINST THAT WAS INTENDED. >> FOR SOME SPECIFIC YOU CITE IS WE AS A FOOTBALL FIELD IT CURRENTLY USED COUPLE FOOTBALL FIELDS. THIS ONE FOOTBALL FIELD. THE SO THAT'S PARCEL. AND THAT'S PARCEL THAT WE HAVE CONSIDERED OR HAVE LISTED. PRINCE AVENUE, IF YOU GIVE ME AN AND AGAIN IF I CAN HAVE THE OVERHEAD. SUPER DRAINAGE PROPERTY, IT'S DOWN. CRANBERRY. IT'S THIS PARCEL RATE HERE CRANBERRY AND YOU HAVE THE RIGHT HAND CORNER IS ABOUT WHERE CRANBERRY ELEMENTARY YES. A PAIR. SO ROAD AND DRAINAGE HOW WAS IT CURRENTLY BEING USED NOT BEING HIS TOP. IT'S JUST SURFACED. CAN I ASK FOLLOW IT >> IS THERE WETLAND AND THERE THAT WE IT KINDA LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A REASON. >> A POND HERE I DID RECENTLY FOR WETLANDS. IT IS NOT A PART PARCEL IT'S PARCEL THINK IT IS NOT. YES, OR NO YOU. >> I WOULD CONSIDER IT A SENSE IT'S NOT BEING USED. NEXT. >> NEXT IS THAT IS PARCEL THAT HAS LOOKED AT AS A PARK LAND. I DO NOT HAVE A DISPLAY FOR THAT WIND PREMIUM THAT FOR >> I I KNEW WELL WHERE IT IS SO THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T PRINT IT OUT IT'S LANGUAGES. IT'S. >> COME GET COMMONLY REFERRED TO NAME THAT I'M NOT GOING TO AND THAT MAY JOG YOUR MEMORY WHERE IT'S AT. >> IN GENERAL WHERE IS THAT YOUR CHILD YOUR >> IT'S THAT THAT ARE SO LEFT TO THE CITY BY. ORIGINAL DEVELOPERS THAT'S BUILDABLE IS THAT SORT OF ONE OR IS THAT A DIFFERENT. >> THAT I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT HISTORY, ME ONE 2ND QUARTER. AND THE STAND RIGHT TO DEVELOPMENT HAD IDENTIFIED A PARCEL WAY OUT EAST FOR PARKLAND ITS KIND AND THAT LIKE I HAVE HEARD THAT IT'S NOT REALLY BUILDABLE I DON'T KNOW I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT SO. I THINK THAT'S WHAT WHAT'S CONSIDERED. YOU KNOW IT'S A GO FOR IT PARK A VERY A TEAMMATE FOR AN ATV PARK. THERE WAS THAT IT. YEAH, IT'S. >> NOT REALLY THE ACREAGE FOR ME TO THE PARK. IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE OVERHEAD AND CHEESE. >> THIS WAS NEVER IN YOUR OPINION WHAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE USE FOR THIS PROPERTY TO TALK ABOUT COMMUNITY >> IT ORIGINALLY DISCUSSED TO BE A NATURAL AREA PARK THERE IS. LATE IT IS CURRENTLY AS A PASSIVE RECREATION PARK. SO THERE IS A GOOD SIZE LEE HERE. THERE WILL BE SOME COMMUNITY OUT HERE I WOULD LIKE TO THAT THIS IS WITHIN ACTIVITY MY INCLINATION WOULD BE LEAVE IT ALONE NUMBER ONE THE ONLY PARKLAND I'M AWARE OF OUT EAST IS THAT WATER. >> AND WE HAVE A LOT ABOUT EAST SO IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE THE BEST PARCEL FOR THE CITY TO KEEP I CAN'T MAKE THAT DETERMINATION BASED ON. >> INFORMATION BUT I'D BE RELUCTANT. 2. BUT IN ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK AT THIS POINT BECAUSE OF THAT >> AND NEXT PERSON BELIEVE IS THE ONE THAT IS I'M 41 AND SOME ARE RIGHT. >> THAT LITTLE COMMERCIAL SPIT OF LAND. YES, MA'AM THAT WOULD BE A YES FOR ME. >> NOW WEIGH IN ON THAT REAL QUICK TOO. >> WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN INSTRUCTION TO CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE THE SALE OF THAT. >> THERE >> HAS BEEN SESSION WITH A DEVELOPER HARBOR, THE DEVELOPER I'M YOU MULTIPLE TIMES SINCE WE RECEIVED THAT DIRECTION. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED A LETTER OF INTENT OR ANY INTEREST OR THEY MAY HAVE RUN SOME CONSIDERATION WITH EITHER WAY IN THE BACK END. MIGHT NOT BE THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF SPACE. WE REALLY JUST HAVE NOT HEARD BACK FROM THEM AFTER MULTIPLE TIMES. >> HOW DIFFICULT WILL IT BE TO SELL THAT PROPERTY WITH THE ACCESS FOR ROAD AND DRAINAGE TO LOCAL POND. >> WITH DIFFICULT FOR ME TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION RIGHT NOW, HOWEVER, IT IS. COMMERCIALLY IMPORTANT ONE. FIRST A LOT RIGHT OFF OF 41 SOUTH IF THERE IS SOME BENEFIT OUR. I WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. >> BUT THAT'S BROKEN UP INTO 2, SO WE HAVE THE NORTH HALF THAT'S CLOSEST TO COCO PLUM AND THEN THERE'S THAT DRIVEWAY AND THEN THERE'S THE SOUTHERN PART OF THAT THAT IS 41 IN SUMPTER. SO WE COULD SELL LIKE THE BOTTOM HALF, NOT THE TOP HALF. SO WE REMAIN. WE RETAIN OUR ACCESS. >> GUESS WE WOULD BE LOOKING TO NEGOTIATE TO RETAIN ACCESS AND POTENTIALLY SPACE FOR A SECOND OR HER MIND THERE THERE WOULD BE HAVE TO BE SOME NEGOTIATION CONSIDERATION. BUT THERE IS STILL ANAHEIM, ESPECIALLY ON LOCATIONS. >> THAT'S CS FOR ME WHAT IS IT YOU. IF YOU CONSULT WITH ALL THOSE CAVEATS THEM. NOT MUCH IT'S. OKAY AND THEN THE LAST THE SPRINGS ITSELF THE 23 ACRE 6 JUST LONG ON THE 6TH >> YES, ENTIRE >> FOR RESULT WAS THAT NOT NOT NOT THE STANDINGS OKAY ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. >> I THINK WHEN THE CITY MANAGER WAS SPEAKING EARLIER IT WAS ONLY IN CONSIDERATION FOR THE FLORIDA FOREVER. IF THEY WERE INTERESTED IN PURCHASING IT IT PURCHASE THE SPRINGS AS WELL. BUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS JUST THE 62 ACRES TO PUT IT OUT THERE AS PURCELL AND KEEP THEM. THE SPRING SPORTS THAT IS I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY AND THEY WOULD HAVE WANTED THE SPRINGS AS WELL AS PART OF THEIR PACKAGE I MEAN I WOULD TELL YOU I'D LIKE TO CONSIDER THE SALE OF THE SPRINGS. >> I DID SAY LAST MEETING AND I WAS QUOTED IN THE NEWSPAPER AS SAYING I WANTED OUT. MINERAL SPRINGS, BUSINESS AND THAT'S REALLY BASED ON THE FACT THAT IT WAS NEVER THE INTENTION OF THE CITY TO GET INTO THE OPERATIONS AND MANAGE THAT PROPERTY. IT WAS A TEMPORARY SITUATION. WHILE WE WAITED FOR THE P 3 TO PLAY ITSELF OUT. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR I THINK OUR STAFF IS DOING AN INCREDIBLE JOB MANAGING THAT PROPERTY, I'M REALLY PLEASED WITH WHAT THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH. I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S THE BUSINESS THAT WE SHOULD BE AND SO FOR ME. I WOULDN'T WANT TO SELL THE 60 ACRES. AT THIS POINT BECAUSE WE LOSE CONTROL OF WHAT HAPPENS THERE. I WOULD CONSIDER A 99 YEAR LEASE, SO THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN SOME KIND OF CONTROL AS WHAT OF WHAT MIGHT HAPPEN THERE. >> I WOULD BE OPEN TO SELLING THE SPRINGS AT SELL. TO THE STATE TO BECOME A STATE PARK OR TO A CONSERVATION. WE HEARD A LOT FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY WANT TO CONSERVE AND PRESERVE THE SPRINGS. I AGREE SO I WOULD SELL IT TO A CONSERVATION GROUP THE ONLY CAUTIONARY TALE THERE THAT I WOULD WANT THE COMMUNITY TO BE AWARE OF IS THAT WE COULD SELL IT TO A CONSERVATION GROUP. IDEA OF CONSERVATION IS PUTTING A FENCE AROUND NOT LETTING ANYONE IN. SO THAT COULD HAPPEN FOR PRESERVATION BACK COULD HAPPEN SO. AGAIN WITH THOSE CAVEATS I WOULD BE OPEN TO SELLING THE SPRINGS TO THE RIGHT ORGANIZATION WHO WOULD CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THAT AS THE SPRINGS. I ALSO HAVE SOME CONCERN. WHAT THE CITY. I'M CONTINUING TO MANAGE IT. I JUST BELIEVE AND THIS IS BASED ON GOD. I DON'T HAVE DATA THAT COULD BE A LOT OF PRESSURE ON US TO INCREASE THE USAGE IS THERE AS THE COST OF MAINTAINING THOSE THINGS AND OUR ACCESS TO FUNDS IS LIMITED OUTSIDE OF MILEAGE. IF THE STATE-OWNED IT CONSERVATORY YET THEY HAVE ACCESS TO MONEY THAT THE CITY OF NORTH PORT DOES NOT SO I JUST WANTED TO SHARE MY RATIONALE AND THE LIMITATIONS THAT I WOULD PLACE ON CONSIDERING THE SALES BUT 23 ACRES SPRINGS ITSELF. YOU WENT DOWN THE LIST. I WOULD JUST VICE MAYOR. ABIOLA PREFER. >> ITEM 1, 7, MILLION DOLLAR ESTIMATED SALE PRICE OF THAT FOR KIND OF GOOD WITH THAT ONE. I DON'T WANT TO DO AWAY WITH FOOTBALL FIELD BEHIND MULLEN CENTER SO ON OH GOODNESS NUMBER 2 PRINCE LANE. I GUESS I'M RIGHT WITH THAT NOT A BIG DOLLAR AMOUNT BUT YEAH, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. 4 MILLION 4 THAT PROPERTY EAST. YEAH I I GET THAT THERE'S NO PARKLAND OUT THERE BUT I SURE WOULD LIKE. PUSH HARD FOR ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OUT THERE EVEN IF IT'S IN THE AREA INDUSTRIAL COMMERCIAL AND RETAIL THAT AURA OFFICE THAT. WHOEVER DEVELOPS OUT THERE MAKE SURE THAT THEY ALLOCATE ACREAGE TOWARDS PARKLAND THAT CAN BE MADE AVAILABLE FOR OUR CITY CITIZENS WHO LIVE AT SO I WANTED TO BE ON SOMEONE ELSE'S DOLLAR SO. >> I'M KINDA RIGHT WITH THAT 4 MIL. YES ON THE >> PROPERTY WAS THAT THE COURT YEAH I WANT TO WITH THAT. WHEN IT COMES TO MINERAL SPRINGS. ONE. >> I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF SELLING 60 ACRES. ANYBODY THAT MIGHT DEVELOP. IN ANY WAY THAT MIGHT BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE SPRINGS. IF THE ENTIRE 80 ACRES WERE SOLD TO THE STATE WERE TO SOME CONSERVATION GROUP THAT COULD MAINTAIN IT AND TAKE CARE OF IT. THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH AND ALL THE CONVERSATION OVER MINERAL SPRINGS YOU'VE HAD FOR NOT JUST PAST YEAR AND A HALF BUT I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION BUT FOR GOD KNOWS HOW MANY YEARS PRIOR TO AND NOBODY HAS EVER NOBODY HAS SHOWN INTEREST COUNTY WIPE THEIR HANDS OF IT I DON'T SEE THE STATE RACING IN TO BUY IT. I MEAN THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL TO MAKE ITS SOMEBODY ELSES FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY FRANKLY I THINK IT'S ANONYMOUS CITY IN PORT. I THINK THAT WE'VE MADE A COMMITMENT. I GOT JUST 2 DAYS AGO TO MOVE FORWARD TO MAKE THAT 18 ACRES SOMETHING AT LEAST WE'RE PROUD OF TO LOOK AT GIVE THE PEOPLE WHO UTILIZE REGULARLY. SOMETHING THAT WAS SIMPLE BASIC AMENITIES THAT THAT'S WHAT THEY WANTED FOR A YEAR AND A HALF THAT'S ALL I KEEP IT SIMPLE DON'T DO ANYTHING OR GIVE US JUST BASIC BATHROOMS SO I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT STAY AND I LIKE THE IDEA THE CITY CONTROLLING IT IF A CONTRACTOR MANAGEMENT COMPANY CAN MANAGE IT. KEEP GORY BUT I THINK OUR DEPARTMENT WE'VE DONE A NICE JOB ON IT. IT MAKES MONEY I THINK YOU CAN PAY FOR ITSELF IF WE FIND THAT WE HAVE TO DO SOME INCREMENTAL INCREASES IN PRICE SO BE IT. SO I GUESS IT'S A LONG WAY OF SAYING I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT MINERAL SPRING SHOULD BE SOLD TO PAY FOR A POLICE BUILDING, I'M SORRY. IT IS A PART OF OUR CITY AND I CANNOT BRING MYSELF TO SUPPORT AND I 16 MILLION IS AN AWFULLY ATTRACTIVE NUMBER I DARE SAY IF WE TRIED TO SELL US SOME CONSERVATION GROUPS SOMEWHERE TO STATE YOUR BUT THE REALIZATION IS NOT ANYWHERE NEAR 16 MILLION. BUT AGAIN YOU KNOW THAT'S JUST SPEAK SO I DON'T THINK IT'S ANYWHERE NEAR THAT NUMBER I'M NOT HERE AMERICA. >> AND I COMMENT ON DIRECT COMMENT IF YOU'RE A CAT. I ALSO THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE WHAT PLAN TO IMPROVE THAT PROPERTY. I DON'T SEE IT AS CONFLICTING TO ENTERTAIN SALE OF THAT IN THE FUTURE CONSERVATION GROUP. WE NEED TO DO THAT WORK IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY AND WEATHER WE SELL WHAT GOING TO CONSERVATION GROUP KEEP IT THAT WORK NEEDS TO BE YET. >> AND AGAIN SOME CONSERVATION GROUP OR STATE OR SOMEBODY WOULD PRESERVE THE 80 ACRES TAKE CARE OF IT KEEP EITHER PARKLAND AND PRESERVE THOSE SPRINGS, I'D BE GOOD BUT. OKAY SO WISH AND A PRAYER TO ME ALL RIGHT COMMISSIONER EMRICH I GO DOWN THE LIST. >> WITH THAT IT WOULD HAVE WOULD BE GOOD WITH THAT. THE NORTH PORT THE NEXT ONE IS THAT. ROAD DRAINAGE. PUT BALL FIELD YEAH, I'M NOT FAVOR OF THE FOOTBALL FIELD. YOU KNOW THEY WERE THE FIELDS SELLING THANK YOU. NONE OF US WANTS SO FAR A PRINCE LANE, I'M ALRIGHT LET'S NOT THINK IF WE OVER HIM INDUSTRIALIZE THAT AREA THAT MAY BE THE LAST PEACEFUL AREA. OUT THERE. THE COMMERCIAL I DID HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH MISTER SPEAKE BACK IN THE DAY ABOUT THIS PROPERTY AND IF THAT WHOLE TRACK WAS SOLD. >> AS IT WAS PRESENTED TO THE DEVELOPER HE SAID STILL HAD ACCESS TO IT. SO I WOULD I WOULD STILL LOOK AT PUTTING THAT OUT THERE AND I'D BE IN FAVOR OF GETTING RID OF THAT. THE BIG TOPIC IS WARMER SPRINGS. A ROAD SELLING THE WHOLE THING ONLY IF IT WENT TO THE FOREVER, FLORIDA. PLANNED AS THAT'S WHAT THE CITY OF THE CITIZENS OF ASKED OR THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY WAY I WOULD SELL THE WHOLE TRACK. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT WE MAINTAIN THE SPRINGS ITSELF WITH UPDATING IT. BUT WHEN IT CAME DOWN TO SELLING OR LEASING THE ACREAGE THAT ACCOMPANY THE SPRINGS. WHEN I LOOK AT THAT ASPECT IT WAS TO ENHANCE THE SPRINGS NOT TO BE USED FOR SOMETHING SO AND A QUESTION OR STOKES SAID 60 MILLION IS QUITE A BIT OF MONEY BUT. I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT PROJECT EVENTUALLY DOWN THE ROAD TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT WOULD TAKE PLACE NOW MAYBE WE MIGHT ONLY NEED 8, 9, AND PUT BACK INTO THE SPRINGS TO FINISH UP THE PROJECT AND THEN THAT WOULD LEAVE 9 AND IT AND AGAIN IT DEPENDS ON WHAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WOULD COME IN THERE, YOU KNOW IT WAS AN ECO TOURISM TYPE THING THAT WOULD BE A BONUS SEPARATES CONDOS AND STUFF LIKE MAY NOT BE BENEFICIAL. SO. IT'S KIND OF HARD TO MAKE A DECISION SAY YES, SO IT WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THE PLANS ARE SO I I COULD EITHER DIRECTION BUT THAT'S THE FOUNDATION OUR I WOULD VOTE IN THE FUTURE. >> SO IT'S LIKE A YES, YES, MAYBE MAYBE GO. YEAH HAHA COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL. >> ITALY AVENUE. >> BLINDED SAID THAT WITH THE YMCA COMING IN WE DON'T NEED ITALY YOU. I WANT I DIDN'T KNOW FOR SURE YMCA WAS ABSOLUTELY COMING IN AND THAT IT WAS GOING TO REPLACE OUR. DESIRE TO PUT A COMMUNITY CENTER EAST OF TOLEDO YMCA YOU PAY TO GO. OUR COMMUNITY CENTERS. YEAH YOU PAY, BUT IT'S MUCH MUCH LESS THERE'S DIFFERENT KINDS OF PROGRAMMING. SO I'M I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT WE WE STILL NEED TO FIND A COMMUNITY CENTER SPACE OUT EAST. FOR THE CITY AND TO SAY THE YMCA IS THE SAME AS A COMMUNITY THAT SCENE. CITY HALL PROPERTY FOR THE FOOTBALL FIELDS TECHNO. PRINTS I DON'T SEE PURPOSE OF IT. I KNOW THAT THE ROAD DRAINAGE IS OWNED IT. BUT I I DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR THAT THERE'S NO DRAINAGE CANALS IN THAT GENERAL AREA IT'S NOT ON THE WETLANDS SO I WOULD BE INCLINED TO SAY YES. LANGUAGE A FACT NO. ONLY BECAUSE WE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO BE OUT THERE. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS AND IF WE KEEP SOMEONE OFF OUR PARKLAND WE'RE WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. NEED TO KEEP THAT OUT IN THAT AREA. SUMTER AND 41 WE ARE READY ALL AGREED YES, SO. IT WHETHER IT'S TO THAT PARTICULAR DEVELOPER SOMEBODY ELSE DOESN'T MATTER. SPRINGS. IN TALKING ABOUT TRYING TO GET FOREVER. FLORIDA IN HERE FOR THE PAST BUT 18 MONTHS OR SO SINCE WE'VE HAD THE P 3 IN BEFORE. >> I'VE BEEN IN TALKS WITH JON THAXTON AND HE IS TRACK THE THE CITY MANAGER AND JOHN SAXON ARE SUPPOSED TO GET TOGETHER TO SEE ABOUT WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE AND IT'S NOT JUST GULF COAST COMMUNITY FOUNDATION BUT IT'S ALSO THE CONSERVATION FLORIDA. SURVATION FOUNDATION. THAT ARE WILLING TO DO SOMETHING. AND IT IS FOR THE 80 ACRES. THE THE SPRINGS WATER AND THE 60 ACRES AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE THAT AGAIN IT'S NOT A DOOR, I'M WILLING TO CLOSE. TUESDAY WE WERE TALKING HEY SOME IF SOMEBODY IS OUT THERE THAT WANTS TO BRING SOMETHING WELL IN LESS THAN 24 HOURS. WE HAD SOMEBODY WANT TO COMMIT. SO IT NOT KNOWING WHAT THAT ALL LOOKS LIKE I AM A YES IF FOREVER, FLORIDA THEY'RE WILLING TO CONSERVE AND PRESERVE IT AND PUT IT IN SOME KIND OF A CONSERVANCY ABSOLUTELY. BUT IF IT'S FOR DEVELOPMENT. IT'S A **** THOUGH. >> OKAY THAT'S PRETTY STRONG ALRIGHT, I'LL GO DOWN THE LIST HERE IN AVENUE. I WOULD BE A GUESS ON THAT POINT BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN OR >> THE FOOTBALL FIELD AT THE FOR THAT. MUCH MONEY ANYWAY. ROAD AND DRAINAGE A PLANE. I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT. LANGLEY I WAS THAT A TV. OUR TYPE THING I WOULD BE FOR THAT. >> YES THAT LITTLE PARCEL THAT'S BY 41 BECAUSE THAT IS COMMERCIAL. AND THEN WARM MINERAL SPRINGS. YES IT. THINGS COULD BE WORKED OUT, BUT JUST TO TO NOTE THAT THE FLORIDA FOREVER FUNDS A PROPERTY IS AND BOUGHT USING THOSE FUNDS BECAUSE KEPT UP WITH THEM SINCE THEY ACQUIRED WHOLE THING THAT HAPPENED WITH A CYPRESS GARDENS AND I BROUGHT THAT UP AND THAT WAS LIKE 20 SOMETHING YEARS AGO. THERE HAS TO BE A MANAGING ENTITY. WAS GOING TO MANAGE THE PROPERTY. IT WHETHER ITS FISH AND WILDLIFE FOR EXAMPLE THAT ORANGE HAMMOCK IS. FISH AND WILDLIFE THAT'S WHY IT'S PASSIVE USE ONLY OUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT WARM MINERAL SPRINGS A COMMISSIONER LANGDON KNOW THAT TOO. YOU CAN HAVE THAT OPEN AND THAT HAVE PEOPLE JUST GO THERE SWIM IN AND THEY'RE NOT HAVING. LIFEGUARDS AND MONITORING FOR ALLIGATORS AND EVERYTHING ELSE SO THEY WOULD WANT TO KNOW WHO'S GOING TO MANAGE THAT AND I HAVEN'T FOUND ANY LAND IN FLORIDA PURCHASE WITH THIS MONEY AND WHICH IT WAS STILL OPERATE IT AS AND ATTRACTION TO THAT. YOU KNOW CERTAIN AREAS WERE CYPRESS IT WAS THE BOTANICAL GARDENS THAT WERE PUT INTO THE CONSERVATION EASEMENT WITH THE FLORIDA FOREVER FUNDS IN THE POLK COUNTY SAID THEY WOULD TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR MAINTAINING IF YOU LOOK AT HISTORY THAT YOU'LL SEE THAT I DIDN'T GO VERY WELL THEY THEY LET IT GO INTO DISREPAIR BECAUSE TENTACLE GARDEN CITY TURN BACK INTO A JUNGLE AND PEOPLE WERE VERY UPSET THAT THEY WEREN'T KEEPING IT. THE WAIT WAS BECAUSE IT THEY TURNED OUT TO THAT WAS MORE EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN ANTICIPATED SO THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT AND AGAIN THE OTHER HALF OF CYPRESS GARDENS WAS SOLD TO A DEVELOPER AND THAT'S LEGOLAND SO. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS TO THAT SO I JUST THINK IT'S MORE RESEARCH WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE ABOUT THE LOGISTICS OF. OUR TO FRONT UP FOR THE FUNDS BEING COMING IN HERE AND OPERATING IT LIKE THE PART I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S IN CHALLENGING STATE PARK. AND DO THEY BUY THAT PROPERTY OR IS IT JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE TURN OVER TO THEM BECAUSE YOU CAN'T OPERATE IT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO WITH YOU WATCHING THAT LITTLE TOWN WITH YOU WATCHING WHICH NO LONGER EXIST. FINANCE A IT WASN'T BRINGING IN ENOUGH REVENUE FOR THEM TOO TO PAY FOR THE MAINTENANCE AND THAT'S WHY. THEY PRETTY MUCH JUST GAVE IT OVER THE PARK SYSTEM BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T DO ANYTHING IT SO I JUST THINK MORE RESEARCH HAS TO BE DONE. WITH WITH THAT TO SEE IF THAT REALLY VIABLE OPTION. ALL RIGHT CITY MANAGER WE WENT THROUGH AND WHAT WE HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS ABOUT THOSE THOSE PARCELS COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL. >> I'M THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT I HAVE IS THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO REVIEW OUR. CITY-OWNED ASSETS THE LANDS ALL THE CITY-OWNED LAND EVERY SINGLE WE HAVEN'T DONE IT AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME LAND OPPORTUNITIES TO SOUTH. BUT WE GOT TO HAVE THAT BIGGER CONVERSATION LIKE WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE. SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE THAT THERE MIGHT OPPORTUNITIES THAN JUST THE ONES THAT ARE MOST OKAY, BUT >> CITY MANAGER MAYBE YOU CAN CLARIFY THAT DOES SAY THAT STAFF REVIEW POTENTIAL SURPLUS THE COMMISSION IS SUPPOSED TO REVIEW YEAR AND DETERMINE. ACCORDING THIS IS THE LIST THAT THEY CAME UP WITH FOR NOW ARE LIABLE OPTION. THIS IS THE RECOMMENDED LIST OF THE HIGHER VALUE PROPERTIES WERE YOU TO CONSIDER. >> THERE'S MANY MORE ON A LOWER LEVEL THAN IT YOU KNOW IT'S THERE'S A LOT. SO THIS WAS JUST SOME OF THE BIG ONES YOU. >> THEY RIGHT WE HEARD THE FEEDBACK. THINK THE A LOT FROM THAT CONVERSATION SO THANK YOU. BUT THIS IS THIS WHAT WE'RE IN THIS LIST IS JUST THE LIST THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN OF THOSE TYPE PROPERTIES IS GOING TO GO BACK IN JUST A LITTLE DUE DILIGENCE BUT COST DEPARTMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT I WOULD PICK A DIFFERENT APARTMENT IN AN ADVERSE WAY. >> ALL EYE. AS COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL SAYS YES THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER SHOW SURPLUS LAND IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU KNOW $20,000 LOT THAT'S AND MY SON WOULD SAY CHUMP CHANGE, I MEAN WE'RE GOING NEED TO GET TO PRIZE HERE YOU KNOW QUICKLY AND THAT'S I'M ASSUMING THAT'S WHY THEY THEY PICK THESE THINGS OUT COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL YEAH, WELL ABOUT $20,000 MAY BE CHUMP CHANGE. >> NUMBER 6 ON THE LIST IS ONLY 14 2ND. YEAH SO SO YEAH, THERE ARE SOME VERY VALUABLE. IT SMALLER LOTS THAT WE COULD BE SOMETHING SO WHILE YOU'RE SAYING UNDER 20 IS CHUMP CHANGE THAT ONE OF THOSE CHANGE THINGS MADE IT EMOTIONAL. I WAS LOOKING AT THE SELFIE ESTIMATES THEY'LL RISE, NOT WHAT YEAH. AND SOME OF THE THE THE LOTS THEY'RE ASSESSED THEIR SALE PRICE IS 20 30,000 THAT WOULD TAKE US FOREVER TO GET TORY WANT TO GO. >> ALL RIGHT CITY DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL. YOU I HAD ON THE PROPERTIES. >> I DO ON THE PROPERTIES SURE I MEAN IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS PRETTY UNANIMOUS AGREEMENT ON A PRINCELING NOT UNANIMOUS BUT THERE WAS YES ON ITALY. PRINCE. >> LANE. >> AND SUMPTER. I THINK WITH ONE MINERAL SPRINGS. THERE ARE SO MANY CAVEATS ON THAT THIS POINT I WOULDN'T THINK IT WAS FEASIBLE SO I COUNTED UP. 8.6 MILLION DOLLARS POTENTIALLY. FROM THE SALE OF THOSE ASSETS AND WE HAD MAJORITY. SO OKAY WITH THE >> ALL RIGHT WE HAVE TO KNOW THAT JUNCTION RIGHT WE HAD A NO FOR THAT. FOOTBALL FIELD WE HAD A. >> BASICALLY RIGHT. >> AND THEN WHERE IS THAT MORE MOST PRIZES TOO MANY UNANSWERED QUESTIONS, FOR WHAT IT I THINK CAN IF I'M A MAYOR I THINK WARM MINERAL SPRINGS ENDING THESE MEETINGS THAT CITY MANAGER IS IS PLANNING TO HAVE AN IS TRYING TO HAVE WITH OUTSIDE INTO TONIGHT THAT WANT TO GET FORWARD. I THINK MAYBE BASED ON THIS CONVERSATION. IT'S A YES, BUT AND IT'S MORE OF A YES BUT LONG AS IT'S LIKE A NON PROFIT, YES, AND I'M HOPING THOSE OUTSIDE GROUPS ARE HEARING SOME OF THE QUESTIONS AND THEY WILL FIND OUT. THIS WILL KNOW THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THIS MANAGEMENT COMPANY CAME IN TO DO THIS AND THEY WERE ABLE TO USE THE FLORIDA FOREVER. SO THAT'S WHAT AND. HAVING TO DO HARD FOR THAT THE CITY MANAGER AND BASED ON YOUR CONVERSATION YOU GAVE US EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO HEAR. >> FOR THOSE CONVERSATIONS IN OUR PENDING REGARDING YOUR DESIRE TO EITHER RETAIN RELEASE CONTROL THAT FRONT THANK YOU. HEALTH RIGHT. ♪ >> I KNOW, I'M GLAD YOU'RE KEEPING TRACK OF THE TIME JUST DON'T DO THAT REALLY SORRY OKAY, SO IT'LL BE A LOT ♪ AND THEN IT'S OKAY SO WE'LL BE BACK AT 2.49. IT IT IS 2.49, YES, THEY DID SAY WE WOULD COME BACK. THANK YOU AND WE'RE GOING TO. AND WRIST THAT RESPECT FOR SOME OF OUR OFFICERS WHO NEED TO LEAVE THAT DO THEIR TO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT CITY CLERK. >> DANIEL HUGHES DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT SUPPORTS THIS ITEM. SANTIAGO FOR DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK THAT SUPPORTS THE TOM NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT SUPPORTS THE ITEM. JOEL NADER DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK WHAT SUPPORTS THE ITEM. JOHN BOSWELL DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK I JEAN TELL, DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK THAT SUPPORTS THE ITEM. AND THEN DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, BUT SUPPORTS THE CHRIS CHURCH DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK, I DO. FRIENDS LAWSON WAS NOT WISH TO SPEAK WITH SUPPORT I ROBIN SNYDER DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK THAT SUPPORTS THE ITEM. DANNY HAD THAT THAT WAS TO SPEAK THAT SUPPORTS ITEM AND NATHAN TRACKER DOES NOT WISH TO SPEAK WITH SUPPORTS THE ITEM. LISTENING IN PERSON WE HAVE TREVOR THOMPSON, ALL BY BRETT AND THEN DRUCE MATT. >> WE WANT THEM OVER HERE. ACA. NAME IS TRISTAN THOMPSON. PRESIDENTIAL PARTNER RELOCATE YEARS. HERE IN SUNNY SOUTHWEST, FLORIDA. YOUR ATTENTION. COMMISSIONERS AND MAYORS. WE'RE MOVING AND STORAGE COMPANY. AS I MENTIONED OPERATING IN SOUTHWEST, FLORIDA. AND YOU MAY OR MAY NOT BE AWARE THAT NORTH FLORIDA IS THE NUMBER ONE DESTINATION OF ONE-WAY TRIPS FOR ALL U HAUL. >> RENTAL UNITS COMING. FOR MORE OIL. >> DESTINATIONS IN THE UNITED STATES AMERICA. I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE PORT POLICE NEED TO BE EMPOWERED TO BE EFFECTIVE TO KEEP OUR CITIZENS SAFE. AND TO DO THIS THEY NEED THE WORKING AND OPERATING. FACILITIES TO EXECUTE THEIR SERVICE FOR OUR COMMUNITIES AND OUR FAMILIES. THIS WILL ENSURE THAT WATER IS PROPERLY ADJUDICATED AND WE ALSO CAN AGREE TO BE PROACTIVE IN THIS NEED AND TO START NOW. INSTEAD OF AFTER THE GROWTH. CONTINUES TO HAPPEN ANY OPPORTUNITY PASSES TOO. BUILT THIS NEW POLICE FACILITIES IN OUR CITY. AND WE GO INTO SCRAMBLE MODE. ENSURE THAT THIS IS THE TIME TO TAKE ACTION NOW IS THE TIME TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION AND DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET THE JOB DONE AND I HAVE YOU AGREE WITH ME INTO THAT. IF YOU WANT TO ENSURE SAFETY DURING THIS CONTINUING. CONTINUOUS GIRLS FOR OUR CITIZEN IN CLOSING. I WAS BORN AND RAISED MORE 45 MILES AWAY FROM WHERE THE TWIN TOWERS WERE. A PLACE AND ONE OF THE GREAT CITIES IN THE UNITED STATES AMERICA INC. AND PEOPLE WOULD SAY THIS COULD NEVER HAPPEN IN OUR GREAT CITY. BUT THANKS TO PEOPLE LIKE MEN AND WOMEN IN THE UNIFORMS HERE TODAY. THAT THE SITUATION WAS HANDLED IN A WAY THAT YOU KNOW HELPED US TO REBOUND IN A IN A FASHION SO ANYWAY JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION MY REQUEST NOW IS THE TIME DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND FIND A WAY TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN FOR YOUR GREAT CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF NORTH PORT THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. MY NAME IS JERRY SMITH FROM A LOCAL SMALL BUSINESS YEAH BIDEN SAID TO THE POLICE FORCE OF 50 IS. MY BEST FRIEND DANIEL CONTINUES. OVER THE YEARS I WATCHED THAT WHOLE SERVING IN THE COMMUNITY TOOK ON THAT. LAST YEAR ALMOST ANNUAL THE SUICIDE FROM PTS STATE THIS JOB IS HARD ENOUGH WITHOUT HAVING THE. WITHOUT HAVING TO WORRY ABOUT HAVING ADEQUATE FACILITIES AND RESOURCES TO THE JAIL. I'M HERE TO SHOW MY SUPPORT TO KEEP THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. TO KEEP AND SAFE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH BASED ON ME TODAY AND I THINK YOU'LL 6. >> THE >> THANK YOU FOR YOUR COURAGE TO SPEAK. >> BY PATRICK CORONA. >> AND MIKE MORALES. >> YOUR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS MAYOR VICE CITY AS WELL AS LONG-TERM RESIDENT OF PORT A PARENT AND A BUSINESS OWNER. DEEPLY INVESTED IN OUR COMMUNITY. I'M HERE TO EXPRESS MAYOR JAKE CONCERN REGARDING PRESSING NEED FOR NEW POLICE STATION TO BE BUILT. OUR CURRENT FACILITIES ARE SIMPLY INADEQUATE TO HANDLE THE DEMANDS OF THE RAPID GROWING CITY. THIS PRESIDENT EXCUSE ME. THIS ISSUE POSES A SIGNIFICANT THREAT AND TO THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF OUR RESIDENTS. THE PAST 13 YEARS I PROBABLY CALLED NORTH PORT MY HOME. AND I CHOOSE TO RAISE MY FAMILY HERE AND ESTABLISHMENT BUSINESSES HERE. AS A RESULT OF THE PROMISE IN 6 OF SAFETY AND SECURITY. HOWEVER AS OUR COMMUNITY CONTINUES TO EXPAND IT IS BECOMING INCREASINGLY CLEAR THAT POLICE STATION IS BURSTING AT THE SEAMS THE QUARTER IS NOT ONLY HINDER THE GROWTH AND EFFICIENCY OF OUR POLICE TAPE BUT ALSO COMPROMISE THE ABILITY TO EFFECTIVELY SERVE AND PROTECT OUR CITIZENS. WITH 3 CHILDREN GROWING UP IN THIS COMMUNITY ARE STILL IN SCHOOL ENSURING THEIR SAFETY IS MY TOP PRIORITY. I UNDERSTAND FIRSTHAND THE IMPORTANCE OF PROVIDING OUR LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS WITH NECESSARY RESOURCES FACILITIES TO CARRY OUT THEIR DUTIES EFFECTIVELY. MY FATHER SERVED AS POLICE OFFICER FOR OVER 30 YEARS. EYEWITNESS HOW WORKING CONDITIONS CAN PROFOUNDLY IMPACTING OFFICERS ABILITY TO PERFORM THEIR JOB. MOREOVER AS A BUSINESS OWNER WITH A VESTED INTEREST IN THE PROSPERITY OF PORT. I RECOGNIZE THAT SAFE AND SECURE ENVIRONMENT IS ESSENTIAL FOR ECONOMIC GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE CURRENTLY AT A VERY LOW RATE FOR CRIME AND I LOVE TO SEE THAT CONTINUE. WE MUST TAKE IMMEDIATE ACTION TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE BEFORE IT SPIRALS OUT OF CONTROL. AS OUR COMMUNITY CONTINUES TO GROW A RATE IS IMPERATIVE THAT WE INVEST IN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE SHE'S IN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE THAT CAN ACCOMMODATE THIS EXPANSION. PLAYSTATION QUIT THE MODERN FACILITIES SPACE FOR GROWTH. IT'S NOT ONLY A WISE INVESTMENT IN THE SAFETY WELL-BEING OF OUR RESIDENTS. ALSO CRUCIAL STEP TOWARDS FEATURING THE LONG-TERM PROSPERITY OF CITY OF PORT. URGE YOU TO PRIORITIZE THE CONSTRUCTION OF NEW PLAYSTATION ALLOCATE THE NECESSARY RESOURCES TO MAKE THE PROJECT A REALITY, THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF OUR COMMUNITY DEPEND ON IT TOGETHER LET'S WORK TOGETHER TO BUILD A BRIGHTER AND SAFER FUTURE FOR ALL RESIDENTS AT CITY OF PORT. >> THANK YOU MISTER MAYOR CITY COMMISSIONERS FOR YOU OPPORTUNITY, BUT IT WAS PATRICK CORONA, A LICENSED PUBLIC ADJUSTER I MOVED HERE RIGHT AFTER THE STORM. WHEN I FIRST MOVED HERE, I JOINED A LOCAL THAT WORKING GROUP THE END I MASTER CONNECTORS IT WAS THERE. BUT I MET 2 OF YOUR POLICE OFFICERS WERE ALSO BUSINESS OWNERS. MISTER MIKE MORALES JOE FOSSIL. OVER THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO KNOW THEM ON A PERSONAL LEVEL. I CAN TELL YOU THEIR COMMITMENT TO THIS COMMUNITY IS AMAZING. NOTHING WAS MORE EVIDENT THAN WHEN THEY INVITED ME TO PARTICIPATE IN THE. THE JUST CENTER OPERATION SANTA THAT WAS HELD WE HAD IT AT WALMART. WHAT THAT ENTAILED WAS. WE WENT THERE ON DECEMBER 22ND AND AS PEOPLE WERE CHECKING OUT OF THERE. THE WIND. BUT THERE ARE FULL OF TOYS FOR THE KIDS WHO FOR THEIR FAMILIES WOULD DIRECT THEM TO A LINE ESPECIALLY FOR THAT. AND THERE ARE OFFICER WALK OVER TO THEM AND SAY WE'VE GOT THIS. THEY COULDN'T BELIEVE IT THEY START CRYING AND THEY WOULD SHARE TESTIMONIES ON WHAT THEY WERE GOING THROUGH. IT WAS A VERY MOVING EXPERIENCE AND SIMULTANEOUS AS WE'RE DOING THAT IN WE SAW WE WERE PULLING PEOPLE OVER FOR MINOR TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS. AND THEY WERE. GETTING THEIR LICENSE REGISTRATION ASKING THEM QUESTIONS GOING BACK TO THE CAR THAT RIGHT IN THE TICKET. THEY WOULD PULL INTO THE WALMART AND TOLD POLICE OFFICER DON'T GET THIS TORY BRAND TO THIS LOCATION. SO INSTEAD OF GETTING A TICKET. IT WOULD BRING THAT POINT THEY WERE HOPING TO GET FOR THEIR KIDS. THIS IS THE KIND OF SERVICE THAT THE POLICE OFFICERS HERE, IT'S PLAYED IN PORT. AND IT'S NO MYSTERY THAT PROBABLY ONE OF THE REASONS WHY SO MANY PEOPLE MOVING HERE. PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE WHERE THEY FEEL SAFE. THE POLICE OFFICERS HERE THEY ABIDING CITIZENS FEEL SAFE. IT'S ALSO A MYSTERY THAT YOU KNOW YOU NEED A NEW FACILITY. THERE'S GOING TO BE A BIG DEMAND AS MORE PEOPLE MOVE HERE. THERE'S GOING TO BE HIGHER CRIME NEED MORE OFFICERS WAS OFFICER GOING TO FACILITIES. I KNOW THAT. A LOT OF MONEY. AND I HAVE NO IDEA YOU CAN I GET IT. WHAT I DO KNOW THE IN CONSTRUCTION, MOST OF MY LIFE. IS THAT. THE PRICE OF EVERYTHING HAS GONE UP. DRAMATICALLY A POOL CAGE THAT WAS $10,000 A YEAR AND A HALF AGO IS NOW $20,000 A ROUTE THAT WAS $30,000 45. SO IF YOU CAN AFFORD IT NOW OR YOU KNOW 20 YEARS, THE PRICE HAS DOUBLED OR TRIPLED. LIKE FOR YOU TO FIND THE MONEY BECAUSE THE CITIZENS OF NORTH PORT DESERVE IT. AND THE POLICE OFFICERS HERE ARE OUR DESERVE IT AS WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COMMISSION LIKE MERLE START PORT. SO ONE THING THAT I WANTED TO STRESS TO YOU IS WHATEVER WE DO AND I WHAT YOU WILL MOVE FORWARD THIS AND I POLICE ARE DON'T UNDER DO IT. THE COST ONE 22 TO THIS AND IT'S LOOKING AT A 100. SHELL SECTION FOR EXPANSION. THAT'S WHERE THOSE PROBLEMS TURNED THE BIGGER PROBLEMS DOWN THE ROAD AND COST MILLIONS ARE THE FACTS. WE LOOK AT WHAT. THE CURRENT PD IS WHEN IT WAS BUILT AND WHERE WE'RE AT NOW. OBVIOUSLY WE'RE ALREADY BUSTING AT THE SEAMS WITHOUT THE PROTECTION OF WHAT HAPPENED WITH COVID AND ALL THE GROWTH AND EVERYTHING THAT'S COMING HERE NOW. SO I WANT YOU OVERDO THAT UNDER DO WHEN IT COMES TO CRIME AND PROTECTING THE PEOPLE AND THE CITY I WANT TO SAY TO BE A PLACE WHERE A WORRY AND THEY WANT TO COME HERE FOR CRIME. YOU KNOW THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO PROTECT. >> IN 2020 THE PD RECEIVED APPROXIMATELY 68,000 CALLS FOR SERVICE. AT THE END OF 23 RISEN TO 90,000 OKAY JUST IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME. WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO PROJECT OUT FOR 3 YEARS FROM NOW AND FURTHER OUT 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD. DOING WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO NOW IS GOING TO SAY THAT TAXPAYERS MILLIONS OF DOLLARS FOR WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST TO DO IT. WHEN YOU NEED IT AND THAT'S WHY WE NEED OVERBILLED. WHEN IT COMES TO THIS. EVERY BUSINESS THAT I'VE TALKED TO AND EVERY PERSON THAT I'VE TALKED TO FULLY SUPPORTS THIS. I WANT YOU TO KNOW WE SUPPORT YOU GUYS IN THE DECISION I KNOW YOU HAVE ARE TRYING TO A DECISION ON HOW TO DO IT EVERYTHING THAT I KNOW WILL GET WORKED OUT, BUT WE FULLY SUPPORT THANK >> IT. THE HOUSE WHERE THEY WANT FROM HIM. >> GOOD AFTER THE BRETT STRATA. IT'S ONE OF THE GIVE YOU OUTSIDER'S POINT OF VIEW BECAUSE I JUST MOVED OUT 6 MONTHS AGO. SOLD OFF IT. BUT THE CRIME RATE IS. ASTRONOMICAL IT IS INSANE WHAT'S GOING ON UP THERE IT'S ALMOST WORSE IN CHICAGO. HOW THEY GOT THAT WAY THEY GOT THAT WITH ABOUT BEING PROACTIVE. MADE A GREAT 0.11 THAT A GREAT POINT ABOUT PAYING FOR IT NOW AS OPPOSED TO PAYING FOR ONE IT'S THE FUTURE. I LIVE UP AND WELLEN PARK AND FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND JUSTIN WELL, A PARK ALONE. WHAT IT'S BUILT OUT IN 5 YEARS WHATEVER IT'S GOING TO BE THEY'RE GOING TO BE 60,000. RESIDENTS THERE THAT IS A TON AND THAT'S JUST RIGHT THERE. WE HAD A BREAK IN THE OTHER DAY AND ONE OF THE PARTY THE COMMUNITIES THAT I LIVE IT. THEY CUT THE FENCE THEY CUT THE SCREENS WHEREVER THERE'S A COP THERE WITHIN 10 MINUTES TALKING TO NEIGHBORS. AND IT WAS PHENOMENAL. YOU KNOW, I TALKED MEETINGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT THIS IS A PROBLEM AND THIS IS THIS NEEDS TO BE SOLVED. THIS ISN'T JUST GOING TO GO AWAY ON ITS SO I UNDERSTAND IT'S A BIG PROBLEM, THE MONEY ALL STUFF BUT AS A BUSINESS OWNER WHO MOVED OUT HERE BECAUSE. IT'S ONE OF THE SAFEST PLACES IN THE NATION TO MOVE. IT'S IT'S TALKING ABOUT IT I TALKED TO. SO I TALKED TO TALKED TO A COUPLE LONGER TO KEEP A I TALKED I WAS GETTING MY HOUSE A TALK TO PLUMBER DOWN HERE WAS DOING SOMETHING FOR ME AND HE SAID BRETT HE GOES THERE'S ALWAYS. >> SOMEBODY YOU WILL ALWAYS SEE WHAT YOU'LL ALWAYS SEE A COP CAR. IT IS THE SAFEST PLACE AND THAT'S WHAT MADE MY FINAL DECISION. SO PLEASE KEEP A SAFE PLACE. >> OR NEW PEOPLE LIKE WHO LOVE THIS PLACE AND FOR PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE MUCH LONGER. SO THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT SO WE LEFT OFF THE PHONE FOR THE SURPLUS LAND AND THAT NOW WE'RE ON TO ITEM. >> WELL I THINK CITY MANAGER OF IMPACT IS IN GENERAL. >> ONE MORE THING BEFORE WE GET THERE SELLING OF ASSETS THE ONE THING THAT WAS NOT ON THIS LIST SOMETHING YOU BARNEY HEARD ABOUT WHICH IS IF YOU WERE TOO SELL THE CURRENT POLICE STATION THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 7 MILLION DOLLARS ALLOW HIM TO MOVE INTO THE NEW SPACE. >> WE BELIEVE. >> THAT TO OUR BUILDING CITY CAN PURCHASE THE BUILDING AND ALLOW OUR BUILDING OF ITS SERVICES DEPARTMENT MEMBERS TO OCCUPY BUILDING WHICH WOULD FREE UP OF THIS BUILDING AND THEN THAT POLICE ABOUT LOOKING TO BUY SO SHE IS MOVING IN HER BUILDING AND THAT SHE WOULD BUY IT. AND OUR STAFF WOULD MOVE THERE IT STILL GET THE REVENUE FOR THE PURCHASE. WHAT WHAT DEPARTMENT IS THAT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DEVELOPMENT SERVICES DIVISION. OUT OF QUESTION ABOUT THAT YEAH. HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHY WOULD HE SELL IT. WHY WHY WOULD WE SELL A GOVERNMENT BUILDING THAT WAS BUILT. >> TO JUST THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, I MEAN THAT'S THAT'S 32,000 SQUARE FEET WHY NOT HAVE IT JUST AVAILABLE OR DEPARTMENTS THAT MAY NEED IT YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T PURCHASE THE BUILDING WITH. >> OTHER FUNDS WITHOUT HARMING YOUR POCKET. YOU'RE ABLE TO BUY. BUILDING AND USE BUILDING BOATS BUT STILL COME OUT OUT OF GENERAL FUND TO PURCHASE THIS SPACE FOR NOT ONLY THAT BUILDING DEPARTMENT BUT THE SERVICES START BELIEVIN THOUGH TODAY. >> MY BIGGER QUESTION IS WHY. WHY SO IT TOO. >> THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WHY NOT JUST SAY OK BUILDING DEPARTMENT DEVELOPMENT SERVICES, MAYBE. I DON'T KNOW PARKS MOVE OVER THERE WHY YOU WILL GET THE MONEY YOU WILL NOT GET THE SO DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH FUNDS IN HERE YOU DON'T KNOW THAT. >> I >> THANK WOULD WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO JUST JOIN OR A DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 10 MILLION AN INCUMBENT DOLLARS IN OUR BUILDING THAT WE MUST SO WE ARE IN DIRE NEED THAT SPACE WE ARE BUSTING AT THE SEAMS ON THE FIRST FLOOR. WE ARE UTILIZING CLOSETS. WE WE'RE MUCH THE SAME POSITION THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS WE ARE. UTILIZING I HAVE 4 STAFF MEMBERS AND ONE CONFERENCE ROOM. SO WE ARE WE'RE TRYING TO MAXIMIZE EVERY INCH OF SPACE BUT STATE STATUTES DO ALLOW. BUILDING FUND MONEY TO BE UTILIZED TO PURCHASE A BUILDING. THAT A DIVIDEND OF BUILDING DIVISION STAFF WILL UTILIZE. THE STATE STATUTE AND STATE LEGISLATURE REALIZE WE CAN'T BUY PART OF THE BUILDING YOU HAVE TO BUY A WHOLE BUILDING. IF OTHER DEPARTMENTS THAT THERE WOULD BE SPACE FOR OTHER DEPARTMENTS. WE MAY NEED TO WORK OUT SOME TYPE OF THE LEASE ARRANGEMENT OR OTHER TYPE OF THING FOR THOSE WHATEVER SPECIAL FUNDS OR OTHER FUNDS MIGHT BE USED TO RENT SPACE TO REIMBURSE THE THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT FOR THE PURCHASE OF THE BUILDING. BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO. WE DO HAVE THAT MANY IT DOES HAVE TO BE USED WITHIN A SPECIFIC PERIOD OF TIME BECAUSE UNDER STATE STATUTES WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO CARRY THAT MONEY MORE THAN A CERTAIN NUMBER OF YEARS WITHOUT REIMBURSING. DONORS HAVE YES THANK YOU FOR THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION I DID NOT KNOW THERE WAS 10 MILLION DOLLARS IN UNCOVERED FUNDS AVAILABLE FOR AND THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING THAT OTHER DEPARTMENTS COULD THEN LEASE IT FROM THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. >> BECAUSE WHEN CITY MANAGER WAS EXPLAINING IT. IT MADE IT SOUND LIKE IT WAS ONLY GOING TO BE FOR THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT SO THANK YOU FOR THAT I DO HAVE A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION. ALL OF THAT FUNDING AVAILABLE IS IT TIME TO LOOK AT REDUCING OUR BUILDING FEES. BECAUSE IT'S ONLY GOING TO CONTINUE. AND WE MIGHT NEED TO HAVE CONVERSATION COME BUDGET TIME SO I THINK IT WOULD BE FAR TOO PREMATURE AT THIS POINT TO LOOK AT REDUCING OUR BUILDING FEES CONSIDERING. >> INCREASED. WITH THE INCREASED CONSTRUCTION INCREASED BUILDING THAT WE'RE HAVING AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL AND NO COST THAT WE MAY HAVE BECAUSE OF STATE LEGISLATION THAT IS GOING TO CAUSE OUR COST TO INCREASE. NOW WOULD NOT BE THE TIME TO LOOK AT. REDUCING THOSE FEES. WE DO PROBABLY NOT THIS YEAR, BUT THE NEXT BUDGET YEAR TO INCLUDE FUNDS FOR A BUILDING FEAST AT AND AT THAT POINT THAT WOULD BE WHEN WE WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT ARE THESE ARE, BUT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT DOING THAT IN 2025 WE BE LOOKING AT DOING THAT THAT'S FOR BUILDING FEE STUDY FIRST I WAS NOT AWARE OF THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER LANGDON. >> SPEND JUST WANT TO MAKE FEW COMMENTS ALWAYS PLAYING INTO MOTION LAND ARE YOU GETTING READY FOR WE HAVE MORE AND NOT FINISHED OKAY, WHAT WOULD I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COUPLE OF COMMENTS BECAUSE IN. WE'RE REALLY IN A PICKLE. IN TERMS OF HOW MUCH MONEY WE HAVE AVAILABLE AND ALL OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND BUILDING NEEDS AND. SO I ALWAYS HAVE TO CONSIDER HOW THE HECK DID WE GET HERE. AND AND THERE ARE 3 THINGS THAT COME TO MIND ONE IS OUR INFRASTRUCTURE WERE 140 SQUARE MILES OUR ROADS ARE AND WE HAVE 69 MILES OF CANALS NOT A I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MILES OF CANALS 69 WATER STRUCTURES THAT WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN. WE HAVE SOLID WASTE THAT EVEN IF THERE'S ONE HOUSE IN AN AREA HAS TO RIDE OUT TO THAT HOUSE AND PICK UP THEIR TRASH. FIRE AND POLICE. I KNOW YOU GUYS DON'T STOP. AND AN IMAGINARY LINE BEFORE YORKSHIRE BECAUSE THEY'VE TO FIRE OUT AT THIS A CALL YOU GOT OUT. ♪ SO WE HAVE ARGUABLY AND INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT 240,000 PEOPLE WITH 90,000 PEOPLE PAYING TAXES. SO THAT'S A HUGE DELTA AND MY MIND AND ONE OF THE REASONS ♪ WHY WE'RE IN SUCH JAM THAT WE'RE IN. THE SECOND IS AND TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF TIMES AND PARTICULARLY IN LIGHT OF OUR REZONING CONVERSATIONS WE PERCENT COMMERCIAL SPACE IN THE CITY. EXPERTS SAY YOU NEED BETWEEN 2030% OF YOUR LAND USE COMMERCIAL AND NOT A TO HAVE A HEALTHY CITY BUDGET. WE WAY OFF. AND WE ARE PAYING FOR TODAY AND WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THAT MANY YEARS INTO THE FUTURE. THAT THERE ARE AND IT'S IMPACT FEES AND I WOULD BE THE FIRST TO SAY WE NEED TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IMPACT FEES, BUT COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL DID REMIND ME THAT WHEN WE. APPROVED A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE IN OUR IMPACT FEES IN 2022. IT WAS UPDATED PLAN AND THANK YOU I WAS STILL THINKING WE WERE WORKING. ON. PLAN BUT WE JUST STARTED COLLECTING ON THOSE UPGRADED FEES. WE DON'T HAVE A WAR CHEST. YEAH, MAYBE IN 5 YEARS 10 YEARS WILL BEGIN TO FEEL A LITTLE BIT OF RELIEF. AND THE COLLECTION OF THOSE IMPACT FEES. SO I JUST WANT LAY THAT OUT AND ALSO RESPECTFULLY REQUEST OF OF CHANGE. AND OUR STAFF I HOPE I HAVE DEMONSTRATED TO YOU AND 3 AND A HALF YEARS THAT I WILL GIVE YOU GUYS ANYTHING YOU NEED TO BE SUCCESSFUL. BUT I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO REALLY LOOK AT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 25 YEAR PLAN 100 MILLION DOLLAR PLAN AND THE 40 YEAR PLAN WHICH IS THE ONE 22. AND WHEN I LOOK THE DIFFERENCES. WE WOULD SAVE 7.3 8 MILLION IN THE REDUCED SHELF SPACE NOW I KNOW THAT LIMITS OUR GROWTH. THE ON 25 YEARS, BUT I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THAT IN 25 YEARS AT SHELL SPACE IS GOING TO NEED A ROOF. THE WINDOW THIS MIGHT BE COMPROMISED LOOK AT WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO THE CURRENT PD HEADQUARTERS IN JUST 20 YEARS. WE WOULD ALSO PARKING TAKING A LOOK AT THE ANALYSIS IN YOUR PRESENTATION COVERED PARKING. IMPOUND LOT WHEN LOSE SOME SPACE THERE. BUT IF WE HAVE SUFFICIENT SPACE FOR THOSE THINGS FOR THE NEXT 2025 YEARS. I WOULD ANTICIPATE THE CITY WOULD BE IN A MUCH BETTER POSITION AND TERMS OF POPULATION AND BUILDING UP OUR IMPACT FEE FUNDS TO BE ABLE TO EXPAND THOSE THINGS AT A LATER DATE AND I AM NOT ONE TO SUGGEST ANYTHING THAT WOULD COMPROMISE YOUR SUCCESSOR, YOUR EFFICIENCY. BUT IF IF WE'RE IN A JAM WE'RE KIND OF STRUGGLE TO FIND A 100 MILLION. AND A 122 MILLION AS 22 MILLION DOLLARS BEYOND THAT. SO I WOULD JUST ASK YOU CONSIDER THAT AND MAYBE REDUCED PARKING MIGHT BE AN ACCEPTABLE REDUCTION THAT WOULDN'T COMPROMISE YOUR EFFECTIVENESS AND AND WE CAN EXPAND THAT. YOU KNOW AT AS WE CONTINUE. BUT I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE STRUGGLING TO FIND THE MONEY AND AND IF WE FIND FALLS IF WE COLLECT MORE IN SURTAX AND WE ANTICIPATED BEAUTIFUL LET'S GO TO THE ONE 22. BUT I JUST WANT ALL OF US TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT 25 YEAR 100 MILLION DOLLAR LEVEL AND JUST MAKE SURE WE CAN DEVELOPED THAT PROPERTY AND A WAY THAT DOES NOT COMPROMISE YOUR SUCCESS OR YOUR EFFICIENCY FOR THE NEXT 2025 YEARS. THAT'S MY PIECE. I VICE MAYOR. >> KNOW ARE WE ON SUMMATIONS THINK CITY MANAGER YOU HAD YEAH THERE'S VARIOUS TO MOVE FORWARD WE CAN ALL START S INCUMBENTS WHO CLEARLY RUNNING OUT OF TIME UNLESS WE WISH TO TAKE OUR 4 O'CLOCK MEETING AND THEN COME BACK AND PICK THIS UP BECAUSE I BELIEVE THERE ARE HOURS YET TO GO CONVERSATION REGARDING THIS NOT. >> I COULDN'T GET TO MY CLOTHING POINT FOR YOUR COMMENTS IN LIKE JUST A FEW MOMENTS, THANK THE COMMISSIONER DOING IT JUST TOUCHED ON THE IMPACT THE SO IT ANYONE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY ABOUT IMPACT THAT WITH YOU NEXT QUESTION IN ORDER ON THE DOCUMENT. >> COMMISSIONER FOR TALKING ABOUT IMPACT I TO HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS ON THERE. AND THE IMPACT THE IMPACT FEES WERE DONE IN 2020 A NEW STUDY WAS DONE IN 2020. PRE-COVID. 3 HURRICANE. AND. IN MY OPINION WE REALLY NEED TO DO ANOTHER FEE STUDIES SO I I WILL HAVE A MOTION COMING FORWARD REGARDING THAT. BUT IS THERE A WAY. >> TO USE. >> FUTURE IMPACTS SCENES. TO HELP PAY THIS NEW PROJECT EVEN THOUGH THE PROJECT WILL BE DONE. PRIOR TO THOSE IMPACT FEES BEING COLLECTED AND IS THERE A WAY TO SAY OK WE'RE GOING MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT FOR HOWEVER LONG BECAUSE IMPACT FEES CAN ONLY BE GROWTH RELATED WELL, THE GROSS RELATED IS NOW AND IT'S GOING TO BENEFIT THE RESIDENTS IN THE FUTURE. HOW IS THAT GROSS RELATED IMPACT FEES GOING TO HELP A BUILDING THAT IS NOT GOING TO REACH CAPACITY IN NEEDING TO BE EXPANDED. SO I HOPE MY QUESTION CLEAR. THE IMPACT FEES FOR THE LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT ARE GOING TO BE COLLECTED EVEN AFTER BUILDINGS DON TO BE ABLE TO BE USED. PAY FOR THE BILL. HOW WOULD THAT LOOK. >> SO I I THINK WHAT YOU'RE DESCRIBING WOULD BE A DEBT ISSUANCE WITH THE REVENUE SOURCE TO PAY PAY THOSE PAYMENTS BEING IMPACT FEES. THAT'S IT. DIFFICULT ONE TO GET DONE. I'M NOT SAYING THAT THAT IS NOT A POSSIBILITY BUT. >> IT'S DIFFICULT TO. GET A TEST THAT INSURANCE LIKE THAT. >> ITS GROWTH IS SUPPOSED TO PAY FOR GROWTH. >> AND THE. >> DRAWBACKS TOO PRIOR DECISIONS MADE LONG BEFORE ANY OF US WERE HERE. HAS IMPACTED WHERE WE ARE >> AND I DON'T WANT TO. FUTURE GROWTH. HE'S IN PAIN FOR OUR FAR OFF OR THOUGHT. MAKING SENSE. AND IF IF WE CAN USE LIKE YOU'RE SAYING IF WE ISSUE DEBT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT. >> LAW >> ENFORCEMENT IMPACT FEES OF THE FUTURE WILL PAY FOR TOWARDS AT ALL BECAUSE I KNOW YOU STILL NEED BUILDINGS AND ALL THAT NOT THE APPEALS AND ALL THAT STUFF. BUT IF IF WE USE A PORTION OF WILL PICK NUMBER 20%. TOWARDS PAIN. THIS BACK. I THINK IT WOULD GO A LONG WAY TO SHOW THAT YES FUTURE GROWTH IS PAYING FOR THIS. AND I REALLY HOPE IT WOULD BE EXPLORED. >> IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN EXPLORE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A HIGH DOLLAR VALUE THAT WE BE ABLE TO. POINT TO AS FAR AS YOU KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT REFLECTING A LITTLE LESS THAN 500,000 THAT'S NOT GOING TO SUPPORT A LARGE AMOUNT OF THAT WE CAN CERTAINLY. >> LOOK BACK AT THAT IF WE HAVE AN IMPACT FEE STUDY THAT'S LOOKING AT POSSIBLY INCREASING THE IMPACT FEES TO HELP PAY FOR THIS. AND YET IT >> SO SO EVEN IF WE DOUBLED THEM WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A MILLION DOLLARS FOR A DEBT SERVICE PAYMENTS. I'M SORRY. WHAT. >> YOU KNOW THAT'S WE'VE GOT COMMUNITY NOW WE MAY ONLY TALK WE TOLD THEM WE GENERATE 500,000 TO PAY THAT. >> THAT DOESN'T SUPPORT VERY MUCH. EVERY LITTLE BIT HELPS US, YOU KNOW THAT'S LOT BETTER A LITTLE BE TRYING TO SELL EVERY LITTLE BIT DOES OUT AND THIS IS THE MESSAGE WE'RE SENDING TO THE CITIZENS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING. >> TO HELP REDUCE TODAY'S CITIZENS TO PAY FOR FUTURE GROWTH MEANS. IT'S ALREADY PAID THEIR IMPACT THINGS IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT THAT THOSE IMPACT FEES WERE MINIMAL. YOU KNOW AND THEN WE'VE GOT A LOOK AT THAT TOO. >> THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD ABOUT IMPACT FEES HAS TO DO. >> WELL THE SINCE THE E E O C IS NO LONGER GOING TO BE THERE THAT COULD CROSS THAT QUESTION. >> MAYBE NOT. >> THE OC IS A GENERAL GOVERNMENT BUILDING. THE GENERAL GOVERNMENT IMPACT THINGS BECAUSE IT'S BECAUSE OF GROWTH. AND THOSE FUNDS THAT ARE STRICTLY FOR. THE CITY AND THEN THE WEST VILLAGE'S IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT. AND THAT MONEY HELP PAY FOR THE E E O C. BECAUSE. WHEN I LOOKED AT THE. DEVELOPERS AGREEMENT FOR GENERAL IMPACT FEES GENERAL. GOVERNMENT IMPACT FEES. I DIDN'T SEE A DISPERSEMENT TO WEST VILLAGES IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT FOR THE UPS. THEY'RE SEPARATED. BUT I DON'T SEE DISPERSEMENT SPECIFICALLY GOING TO WEST VILLAGES IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT FOR EVERYTHING THEY DID OUT THERE. I MAY MISSED IT SO I I WANT TO. >> NO DOUBT THERE LOOK AT IT AND SEE IF MAYBE >> SORRY THAT I NEEDED THAT SEE IF WE CAN USE THOSE IMPACTED STRICT, YOU KNOW SEE. JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE. AND. WHEN WE'RE READY I WILL MAKE MOTION. ABOUT THE IMPACT FEES. >> OKAY VICE MAYOR. I THINK WHAT. >> OUR FINANCE FOLKS WERE RETURNED TO WITH REGARD TO IMPACT ITS ARE IF YOU'RE GOING TO BORROW MONEY TODAY. YOU WANT BOND GET ANY KIND DEBT INSTRUMENT. YOU'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO SHOW ABSOLUTELY ABILITY TO PAY IT AND IMPACT FEES ARE AN IMPRECISE AND THE UNKNOWN NUMBER SO YOU SAID IT VERY GENTLY BUT ADAM YOU'LL NEVER EVER ISSUE A DEBT INSTRUMENT THAT'S COLLATERALIZED BY IMPACT FEES BECAUSE YOU CAN TAKE IT TO THE BANK IT'S THE SAME THING EXACTLY AS SAYING WE'RE GOING COLLATERALIZED OR PAY A BOND OFFERING WITH. GRANT MONEY BECAUSE. IT'S NOT A BIRD IN THE HAND. SO IT'S NOT REALISTIC AND EARLIER I ASKED. WHAT NUMBERS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT PRESIDENT PACK SHE'S OR SO NEGLIGIBLE AND WHILE I DO. NOW THAT WE SHOULD ALL REACH INTO OUR POCKETS AND TAKE ALL A POCKET CHANGE WE HAVEN'T CONTRIBUTE TO THIS BUILDING. THE REALITY IS IT'S A NOT EVEN A DROP IN THE BUCKET. >> IT'S IT IT LITERALLY EVAPORATES BEFORE IT PLANS SO IT'S JUST NOT REALISTIC BUT THAT I JUST WANT TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD BECAUSE IT'S NOT A VIABLE OPTION YOU CAN'T BORROW AGAINST LIKE I HOPE TO GET AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH IMPACT FEES. A PROBLEM WITH GRANT MONEY CAN BASED ON THOSE. >> IF I'M A COMMISSIONER OR VICE MAYOR COURSE THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE BIG FAT RED CRAYON VERSION. >> AND SAYING WHAT STAFF DID NOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO I DO APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE SOMETIMES THAT'S JUST WHAT IT TAKES IS TO SPELL IT OUT INSTEAD OF TRYING TO WIGGLE AROUND IT, NOBODY UNDERSTANDS WHAT THE WIGGLE ITS. SO THANK YOU. >> COMMISSIONER LANGDON THAT JUST A VERY QUICK COMMENT ON IMPACT FEES. I WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF ANOTHER STUDY AND SUPPORTIVE OF AN INCREASE IF IT IS WARRANTED. BUT OUR CURRENT IMPACT FEES ARE FAIR IS A DIRECT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN IMPACT FEES AND THE LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY. SO IT'S A BALANCE. SO WE REALLY NEED TO BE WHERE I WOULD BE VERY CAUTIONARY OF AND INCREASING IMPACT FEES IF WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE ON THE TABLE IS FAIR. >> AND I JUST DON'T HAVE QUESTION ABOUT THE FACT THAT. >> BUT THE QUESTION HERE SAYS ONE OF ELIGIBLE TO RAISE EMBRACED AGAIN. AND HOW LONG WOULD THAT TAKE WE HAVE TO DO A STUDY YOU HAVE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT WHOLE PROCESS AND THAT WOULD TAKE ALONG BUT THE FIRST QUESTION, I'M SORRY CITY ATTORNEY WAS WHEN COULD THAT BE DONE AGAIN. >> YES MAYOR SO UNDER THE STATUTE THE THE CITY MAY INCREASE IMPACT THESE EVERY 4 YEARS. WE LAST AND PRIEST IMPACT FEES IN 2022 RIGHT SO FOLLOWING STATUTE THAT WOULD BE 2026, HOWEVER, THE STATUTE ALSO INCLUDES AN EXCEPTION. 4 EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES AND YOU'VE HEARD SOME REFERENCE TO THAT TODAY IF THE CITY CAN PROVE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES THEN WE ARE NOT LIMITED BY THAT TIME FRAME AND WE'RE ALSO NOT LIMITED BY THE THE AMOUNT MAXIMUMS THAT ARE IN THE STATUTE. HOWEVER, THAT ADDS SOME PROCEDURAL PROCESS. SO TO ADOPT IMPACT FEES. WE NEED AN IMPACT FEE STUDY FROM A IT SHOWS AS. COMMISSIONER LANGDON REFERENCE AT THE END THAT THE RATES ARE JUSTIFIED. WHETHER THOSE ARE HIGHER OR THE SAME OR LOWER. AND THEN YOU GO THROUGH THE NORTH THE ADOPTION ORDINANCE WITH SPECIAL NOTICE RIGHT IN TIME. WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT BEFORE THAT FOR YEARS. BEFORE 2026, THEN WE ALSO HAVE TO PROVE THE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES AND FOR THAT WE NEED A SEPARATE STUDY FROM MY CONSULTANT. THAT'S CONDUCTED NO MORE THAN 12 MONTHS PRIOR TO ACTUALLY ADOPTING THE IMPACT AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE TO HAVE 2 PUBLIC WORKSHOPS. THEY'RE FOCUSED ON THOSE EXTRAORDINARY CIRCUMSTANCES, NOT ONLY IMPACT THESE THEMSELVES, BUT JUST ON THE BASIS OF MOVING OUTSIDE OF THE STATUTORY PARAMETERS. FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT THAT WERE ON THE BOARD THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT WE DID IN 2020. 2 WE HAD TO UNDERGO THAT THE REGULAR PROCESS PLUS THE EXPANDED PROCESS TO WORK OUTSIDE OF THE STATUTE SO WOULD BE THAT SAME PROCESS. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION CITY MANAGER IS WITH ALL THAT SAID BY CITY ATTORNEY. >> WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD THAT. >> IT'S SOME OF THAT WHEN WE PUT THIS BUT I WOULD NOT. >> THINK AND NOT THAT'S NOT SAYING THAT NOT NECESSARY DO, WE'RE NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE POLICE AND GETTING THAT. >> FUND THAT THAT THE BUILDING WITH AS MUCH AS WE KNOW AND CAN SORT RESUMING THE COUNT FOR TODAY RIGHT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT. >> EVEN IF WE SAID LET'S LET'S DO THE STUDIES THAT'S GOING TO BE THAT MONEY IS GOING TO BE AVAILABLE FOR WHAT WE NEED NOW. THIS PROJECT RIGHT OK WAS THERE IT MIGHT HAVE A QUESTION I'M READY TO WRAP IT THAT >> THAT WAS MY QUESTION YOU PROMISED TO GET US WHERE WE NEEDED TO BE IN A FEW MOMENTS I HOMELESS OK ALRIGHT WRAPPING UP COMMISSIONER SO TO RECAP HERE. WE HAVE 50 MILLION DOLLARS IN SURTAX THAT WE DISCUSSED, YES, WE TALKED ABOUT 28 MILLION DOLLARS IN BOND WE TALKED ABOUT 8.6 MILLION DOLLARS IN THE SALE OF ASSETS. >> AND WE TALKED ABOUT 7 MILLION DOLLARS TO THE SALE OF THE CURRENT LOCATION. IT TAKES YOU TO 93.6 MILLION DOLLARS. >> WE HAVE BUILDING ON THAT RIGHT THAT WOULD PAY FOR THAT A THAT UNITING 3 MILLION DOLLARS, LET'S SAY YOU WANT TO GET 100 MILLION SO THAT'S 7 MORE MILLION IT WITHOUT BE. GRANT THAT THAT APPROPRIATION THAT WE BELIEVE WILL COME BUT NO NO LET'S SAY YOU RAISE YOUR MONEY 20 TO 30 BOUGHT A NICE ROUND NUMBERS. IF YOU DID THAT ALL OF THIS VALUE HOLE YOU WOULD BE LOOKING AT PAYING. $51.25 A YEAR. PARTICULAR JUST A BIT. HE'S MISSED A GUEST. IT ADDED TO IT HONORS OH LOOK AT A WHEN THE AIR FOR THAT'S WANT TO THAT TO 50. I THINK IT WILL GO. THAT'S THE BALLPARK OF WHAT YOU'LL BE LOOKING FOR IF YOU CHANGE THAT WE NEED TO 35 TO MEET THAT. THE FINAL PIECE OF THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAVE IT. WE HAVE HAVE OPENED OURSELVES UP TO THE COMMUNITY FORT STREET FOR ITS 6TH, YOU KNOW IT WILL BE IN THIS ROOM WHERE WE WILL HOST THE COMMUNITY FOR THEIR QUESTIONS AND CONCERNS AND CHIEFS ALL OF US WILL BE HERE TO DO A SMALL PRESENTATION BUT HEAR FROM THEM ABOUT WHAT THEY FEEL LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING IN. THINGS THAT WE MAY HAVE MISSED BECAUSE PUT EVERYTHING THAT WE KNOW IT COULD THINK OF IN THE POT WERE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN AS YOU CAN CLEARLY TELL THE FULL FOR MULTIPLE MULTIPLE. DIFFERENT DIFFERENT AREAS. VIRTUALLY FOR 06:00PM IN THIS ROLE IT WOULD ALSO BE LIVE STREAM SO THAT PEOPLE WHO CANNOT MAKE IT HERE PARTICIPATE VIRTUALLY. IT'S SENDING QUESTIONS. SO WE DID HEAR FROM EVERYONE COULD YOU KNOW TIME IS SHORT. AND THE THING SAY IS WE HEARD FROM FRIENDS OF THE CHAMBER COMMERCE REGARDING THERE. WE ARE IN SURTAX LIST. I WOULD ENCOURAGE BOARD TO EVEN MEET WITH THEIR BOARD OR THE OR EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE AT THE VERY LEAST IN ORDER TO HEAR THEIR CONCERNS IN FOR A CONSTRUCTIVE DIALOGUE TO OCCUR TO LET THEM KNOW BECAUSE THEY SUPPORTED US AND GETTING THAT SURTAX PAST IT DID HAVE CERTAIN ITEMS ON THE LIST THAT WAS MENTIONED WHILE YOU DO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY TO REARRANGE THOSE AS YOU. NECESSARY FOR THE CITY IN ITS BEST INTEREST. IT WOULD BE OF A GREAT DEAL OF. NEEDED RESPECT MY OPINION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HEAR FROM THEM DIRECTLY IN THE HEAR FROM YOU DIRECTLY REGARDING THIS IMPORTANT CHANGE TO 50 MILLION DOLLARS WITH THIS PARTICULAR TAXIS. AND I COLD RIGHT THERE THERE. ALL RIGHT CAN YOU JUST REPEAT THAT THE MILLAGE RATE PART OF IT THAT YOU JUST SET UPS ARE AS THEY HAVE SO ANOTHER GREAT YOU CHANGE IT FROM 28 MILLION DOLLARS TO 35 MILLION YOU'RE GOING FROM A 5.44% MILLAGE RATE INCREASE TO A 6.8 0%. THE EFFECT ON AS A 100,000 ASSESSED VALUE. IT'S 51 KNOW THAT IT. THAT'S A YEAR. WITH DAN GOING FOR. 102 $2 OR 2 ABOUT A LITTLE. IT HE $2 FOR 2 THE 50,000 LITTLE. JUST FOR SOME SIMPLE QUICK NUMBERS, OKAY. SO WE HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. VICE MAYOR. CAN WE SPEAK TO. >> THIS WHOLE PROJECT IN AT THIS POINT 30 MINUTES LEFT IN WE'RE GOING TO. IN THIS PROPOSAL. WELL FIRST OF ALL I WILL BACK IT UP AND SAY I 122 MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT. >> SUPPORT CUTTING IT. BY ONE DOLLAR. THIS IS A NOT TO EXCEED NUMBER IT MAY WELL BE LESS THAN THAT I APPRECIATE IT'S AN ALL-IN I BELIEVE THAT IF OUR POLICE. TO US THIS IS A POLICE INITIATIVE. >> AND THEY FEEL AND BELIEVE. >> AND STAND BEHIND THE FACT THAT A 102 MILLION 122 MILLION DOLLARS LEAST NECESSARY TO PROVIDE THE LEVEL AND QUALITY OF SERVICE THAT THIS CITY NEEDS TO STAY SAFE. AND I DO BELIEVE 50 YEARS IS REASONABLE BECAUSE 25 YEARS MAY NOT SEEM VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME TO PASS BECAUSE WE'LL PROBABLY BE DEAD BY THEN BUT THE REALITY IS IT IS PRETTY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. AND IT WON'T BE VERY LONG WITH THE RATE OF GROWTH THE CITY IS GOING THAT WE LOOK AROUND AND SAY WOULD HAVE MADE THIS DECISION. AND NOW WE NEED TO GET TO GROW. WHAT WE'VE GOT SO THAT SOLID ON A 122 MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT. TO PAY FOR IT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. REARRANGING SURTAX TO THE TUNE OF 50 MILLION. AND WE'RE GOING TO GO CITIZENS TO ALLOW US TO BORROW THE MONEY. FOR WHICH WE ARE GOING TO THEN PAY BACK 50 MILLION THROUGH SURTAX WE'RE GOING TO ASK CITIZENS TO BORROW ANOTHER 20 MILLION DOLLARS FOR WHICH WE'RE GOING TO RAISE THEIR MILEAGE RATES AND THE AVERAGE HOME PRICE ASSESSED VALUE IN THE CITY OF NORTH PORT SNOW 100 NOT TO IT'S ALMOST 400,000 SO IT'S A COUPLE $100 A YEAR BY SAYING IT'S IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN 200,000 KNOW IT BUT IT'S TRUST ME WHEN I TELL YOU HAS AN AVERAGE NOT TO MENTION MORE LITERALLY THE MAJORITY OF ALL THE NEWER PEOPLE HAVE MOVED INTO THE CITY OF NORTH PORT HAVE PROPERTY VALUES THAT ARE WELL EXCESS OF ASSESSED VALUE OF A 100 OR 200,000. GOING TO BE TOO DELIGHTED WITH THIS WHOLE THING. SO HERE WE ARE. AND STILL COMING UP RELATIVELY SHORT FROM 122. WE NEED THIS BUILDING. WITHOUT A DOUBT AND WE TALK ABOUT BORROWING ALL THIS MONEY NOW. PUTTING THE BURDEN ON OUR RESIDENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND. RAISING THE MILLAGE RATE PUTS AN ONUS ON PROPERTY OWNERS IN THIS CITY. SURTAX IS MORE FAIR, EVERYBODY PAYS THAT INCLUDING PEOPLE WHO LIVE OUTSIDE THE COUNTY LIVE ELSEWHERE IN THE COUNTY ANYONE WHO CONSUMES SINCE WE'RE THE LARGEST POPULATION GROWTH IN THE COUNTY OTHER THAN THE. SCHOOL BOARD WE GET THE LARGEST CHUNK ASSERT ACTUAL SHOULD TEXAS BEST WAY. THE THROW DOLLARS AT THIS PROJECT BUT STILL IN ALL IT COMES UP SHORT AND WE'RE LOOKING AT SELLING A BUNCH LAND TO DO IT AND ALL KINDS OF OTHER GROUPS. I COME BACK TO I ASKED THE QUESTION WHY CAN'T. CITY HIRE A COMPANY TO BUILD THIS FOR US. WE SIT OVER THE NEXT 30 YEARS 40 YEARS WHATEVER IT THE ONLY RESPONSE I GOT BACK WAS WE WOULD NOT GET THE QUALITY OF PRODUCT. THAT WE WOULD GET WERE WE TO BUILD IT OURSELVES. I SAY IT'S WORTH HIRING A COUPLE EXPERTS TO SIT ON TOP WHATEVER CONTRACTORS WE HIRE OR 3RD PARTY. WE GO TO TO BUILD THIS TO MAKE SURE WE GET WHAT WE WANT AND THEN WE PAY LEASE OVER 30 YEARS WHERE WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO GO WE CAN SIMPLY PAY OUT OVER TIME AT BUCKETS. OKAY IN AN ORGANIZED FASHION. AND AS THE GROWTH OF THE CITY TAKES PLACE AND THE POPULATION GROWS AND ALL THE NEW BUSINESSES COME. THEY CAN ALL PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE OF OTHERWISE WE'RE LOOKING TO BRING 122 MILLION TO THE TABLE RIGHT AWAY FOR WHICH WILL REST ON THE BACKS OF ALL OF US NOW AND SO I SAY IT'S A VIABLE OPTION. 2. DOING WHAT WORD WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT DAY LONG. THE ONLY OBJECTION TO THIS HAS BEEN WE WILL GET THE QUALITY OF. PROPERTY THAT WE WOULD EXPECT TO GET IF WE BUILT IT OURSELVES I SAY THAT'S A MANAGEMENT ISSUE THAT'S A SUPERVISORY ISSUE THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD DO WITH THE PROPER EXPERTISE RIDING HERD ON ANYBODY WE CONTRACTED WITH TO BUILD IT AND IT'S A WHOLE HECK OF A LOT EASIER ALL A HOAX OR LOOKING TO JUMP THROUGH TO COME UP WITH A 122 MILLION CAUSE I SEE WHERE THIS ALL WE'RE GOING TO JUST A LITTLE AND 22 DOWN TO A 100 OR LESS WE'RE GOING TO SACRIFICE WHAT WE REALLY NEED HERE AND WE'RE GOING OUTRAGE THE CITIZENRY AND THE CITY BY TELLING THEM WE'RE GOING CHARGE HIM BETWEEN 5.15% MILEAGE RATING PLEASE OKAY, PLUS IT'S NOT GOING TO BE 5 THAT'S GOING TO BE MORE AND IF WE NEED A MILLAGE RATE TO OPERATE THE CITY GOING FORWARD IT'S GOING TO BE ON TOP OF THAT AND WE'RE GOING TO UPSET PEOPLE LOOK SHORT TAX MONIES AND SAID HE SHOULD BE SPENT ON OTHER THINGS WHEN WE COULD SIMPLY PAY LEASE AND ALLOW ALL OUR OPERATING RESOURCES IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER TO PAY FOR I JUST DON'T SEE WHAT WE'RE NOT LOOKING AT THAT OPTION. BUT AGAIN YOU KNOW WHATEVER THE WILL OF BOARD WILL BE ITEMS SOLIDLY BEHIND ON INTO 122 MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT WE SHOULD NOT PENNIES ON THIS WE SHOULD NOT CHISEL THIS PROJECT DOWN WHATEVER WE'VE GOT TO DO WE'VE GOT TO FIND A WAY TO GET THIS DONE. OKAY COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL. >> YEAH. >> EVERYBODY KNOWS I'M VERY VISUAL SO I'VE BEEN KEEPING NOTES HERE. A 122 MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT AND I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER STOPES THAT'S THE PROJECT WE NEED TO FOCUS ON BECAUSE FOR ANOTHER REASON HE DIDN'T ALLUDE TO. WE START THIS PROJECT IN REMOVING THIS ARE REMOVING THAT FROM THE PROPOSED PLAN FOR THE 122. WE GET OUR 100%. A PROBABLE COST OF CONSTRUCTION. IT MAY COME IN HIGHER. YOU DON'T KNOW 100%. WHAT THAT FIGURE IS FOR CONSTRUCTION. BASED ON A YEAR OR 2 FROM NOW WITH THOSE CONSTRUCTION DOLLARS LOOK LIKE THAT MAY BE THE TIME WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SAY THAT CANINE BUILDING THAT MIGHT HAVE TO GO ARE THOSE 85 PARKING SPOTS COVERED THOSE MAY HAVE TO GO AND SAVE THAT MONEY TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT. SO I WOULD NOT WANT TO START PUTTING THINGS NOW KNOWING THAT POSSIBLY IN THE FUTURE WE MAY HAVE TO DEPENDING ON THE COST OF ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION. SO USING THE 122. WE'RE GOING TO HELP ME OUT HERE WITH EACH ONE MAKE SURE I'VE GOT IT DOWN. 122 IS THE STARTING POINT WE'RE GOING TO ISSUE A BOND OR FUTURE SURTAX FOR 15 MILLION SECOR ACT. SO FUTURE SURTAX IS GOING TO PAY ABOUT SO NOW WE'RE DOWN TO 72 MILLION. AND THEN WE'RE GOING USE MILLAGE RATE OF 38 MILLION DOLLARS INCREASE MILEAGE RATE. ACROSS TO PEOPLE THAT 38 MILLION DOLLARS IN MILITARY BASES THAT CORRECTED. >> WITH 35 IS THE LAST MEMBER USES 28 CLOSE TO 70 NEEDED TO GET TO A 100 OKAY SO TO GET TO A 100. OKAY SO 35 FOR MILEAGE. SO NOW WE'RE. >> AND WE'RE GOING TO SELL BUILDINGS 8.6 AND THEN THE 7 MILLION SO WE'RE DOWN TO ROUGHLY LIKE 20 MILLION DOLLARS. WE 22 MILLION DOLLARS EVER GET TO A 100 EXACTLY. SO WE'RE SHORT 22 MILLION DOLLARS. DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT'S GOING TO COME UP. WHERE WE'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH THAT. WHEN I WAS REVIEWING THE SURTAX PROJECT SINCE WE'RE SHUFFLING THINGS AROUND AND STARTING SANDY. DON'T SHOOT ME. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE CAN PROBABLY SHUFFLE AROUND EVEN MORE. BOGGLES MY MIND WE'RE GOING TO SELL PARKLAND BUT THEN IN FUTURE YEARS WE'RE GOING HAVE $750,000 TO PURCHASE PARKLAND THAT DEFIES LOGIC. WE'RE GOING TO SELL PARKLAND AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO PURCHASE MORE. TAKE THAT MONEY BECAUSE WE CAN USE PARK IMPACT FEES TO PURCHASE OUR PLAN. TAKE THAT THAT 750. THE CANAL IN CREEK MASTERPLAN THAT'S ONE 0.5 MILLION DOLLARS. THAT WE CAN USE FOR THIS BILL. THERE'S. WATCHES THAT'S ANOTHER 100 AND I'M SORRY 750. THE WARM MINERAL SPRINGS MASTER PLAN IMPLEMENTATION. THAT WAS A STICKY WICKET BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE. BUT 500 MILLION DOLLARS IN THE YEARS 30 TO 34. MAYBE WE CAN USE HALF OF THAT FOR THIS BUILDING BECAUSE WE MIGHT. WE MIGHT HAVE AND OTHER INTO TO COME IN AND SAY HEY WE'RE GOING TO TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING RELATED TO WHERE MILLS SPRINGS MET AUTOMATICALLY FREES NOT ONLY THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY. BUT IT ALSO FREES UP THE SURTAX MONEY 5 MILLION ♪ ♪ AND THESE ARE JUST IDEAS AND I. THEIRS. THAT MIGHT HELP US GET TO THAT 22 MILLION DOLLARS SHORTFALL. I DON'T KNOW HOW ELSE ARE WE GOING TO GET TO THAT SHORTLY. AND MAKE THAT UP SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS PROJECT. SO. THOSE ARE SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT I WANTED TO EXPRESS. COUPLE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DESIGN PLAN BASED ON PEOPLE THAT I HAVE TALKING TO WHAT EXACTLY IS A VEHICLE UP NEXT WHAT DOES THAT ENTAIL. I THOUGHT WAS LEFT TO PEOPLE YEAH THEY'RE ALREADY AND NOT WORK. >> THAT THAT'S FOR UPDATING OUR NEW POLICE CARS AND ARTIST EMERGENCY VEHICLES WITH THEIR LIGHTS RADIOS. SO RIGHT CURRENTLY CONTRACT THAT SERVICE OUT. IT'S BECOMING CHALLENGE TO GET OUR VEHICLES, EMERGENCY OPEN IT. BECAUSE THE DEMAND IS SO GREAT OUT THERE THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO ACTUALLY BRING THAT. IN HOUSE TO WHERE WE CAN SAVE MONEY. AS YOU GUYS DRIVE TO WORK OR DRIVE OUR PARKING LOT THEY SEE UP AND YOUR BRAIN SITTING OUT THERE. YOU KNOW THOSE ORTIZ THEY'RE SITTING THERE NOT BEING USED BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT UPDATED. THE MAN TO GET VEHICLES UP SO DIFFICULT THAT OR SERVICE TRY TO BRING US IN HOUSE TO DO IT AND SAVE MONEY ALONG JUST TO TEACH SOMEBODY TO DO THAT KIND OF THING BECAUSE I'LL BE FREE COME HAVE ALSO WITH THE CANINE OFFICE WHAT EXACTLY ARE THEY GOING TO DO THAT THE CANINE OFFICE COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL GET THROUGH AT SOME OF THESE THINGS BEFORE THAT SOUNDS LIKE MORE ON THE DETAILS AND WHERE. >> I'M THINKING IN MY HEAD WHEN WISH I HEAR YOU MAYOR, BUT THESE ARE QUESTIONS THE CITIZENS HAVE SURE THEY GET THAT OUT FOCUS IS THE BUILDING AND THAT WHAT I'M HEARING WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S A 100 MILLION OR ONE 22 SO I THOUGHT MAYBE THAT SHOULD BE ONE OF OUR FIRST MOTION SO WE KNOW UP. >> WHAT OUR NUMBERS ARE. >> BEFORE WE START CUTTING AWAY BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING AWAY AND NO MASK AND QAEDA OR TALK ABOUT. BUT WHAT YOU ARE DETAILS WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WHAT THE BIG PICTURE IS HERE ON BACK AND FORTH. THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS ANYWAY FOR THAT. I COMMISSIONER AVERAGE YOU HAVE GENERAL. QUESTION ABOUT. >> NOT I FAVOR THE 122 MILLION DOLLAR. PROJECT AS WELL LIKE THAT IT HAS BEEN STATED. IF WE DO HAVE SHORT FALLS DOWN THE ROAD DESIGNS DO NEED TO BE ALTERED THAT'S THE TIME WE TACKLE THAT, BUT AT LEAST WE GET THE BEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK. GOING FORWARD LOOKING AT THAT. THE BIGGEST ASSET OUT THERE AND THEN WE CAN ADJUST FROM THERE YOU CAN GO FROM A LOWER ASSET TRYING ADD THE LAST MINUTE SO YOU SHOOT FOR THE MOON SEE WHAT YOU GET. ANOTHER THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE TODAY THAT WE ACCOMPLISH IS TO GIVE DIRECTION TO BE A MOTIONS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A 100% DESIGN PLAN SO WE CAN START GETTING SOME OF THAT INFORMATION ROLLING AND GETTING IT BACK TO AND ALSO GET GET WITH THE CONTRACTOR TO GET OUR. YOU KNOW YOU'RE MAXIMUM. CONSTRUCTION COSTS. SOONER RATHER THAN LATER BECAUSE THE LONGER WE WAIT THE MORE RISES UP SO THIS IS SORT OF WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT TRYING TO GET THAT WE >> THAT'S WHY THANK YOU THANK YOU COMMISSIONER LANGDON HAVE. >> YEAH JUST I WANT OUR POLICE TO HAVE EVERYTHING THEY NEED. BUT AND AND IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT A 122 MILLION. LET'S DO A 122 MILLION. WE'RE LOOKING 25 YEARS OUT VERSUS 40 YEARS OUT. >> AND. >> MAYBE. >> PARKING SPACES AND. SHELL SPACE FOR 25 YEARS IS ENOUGH TO GET THIS PROJECT THROUGH I JUST RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT WE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. MY SECOND COMMENT I THINK WHAT VICE-MAYOR IS ALLUDING TO IS WHAT'S TYPICALLY CALLED A LEASE BACK. YOU HIRE A COMPANY TO BUILD A PUBLIC BUILDING AND THEN YOU PAY FOR IT TO A MONTHLY. ARRANGEMENT. I THINK FROM A QUALITY BUILDING POINT OF VIEW THAT COULD BE A FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT THAT AND WHAT WE DID WHILE IN PARK WHICH WAS TO ASK THE DEVELOPER TO BUILD THE BUILDING AND THEN WE PAY BACK OVER TIME THROUGH IMPACT FEES SO. I THINK AND I'M NOT AN EXPERT IN THIS AREA, BUT I THINK THAT IF YOU GO AT LEAST BACK YOU HAVE MUCH MORE CONTROL OVER THE SPECIFICS OF THAT BUILDING. I THINK IT HAS MERIT TO EVALUATE THAT AS AN OPTION. AND IT MIGHT MORE EASILY GET US TO THE 122 MILLION THAN TRYING TO TO BOOTSTRAP SO. I'D BE VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THAT. I'M ALSO IN FAVOR OF AN IMPACT FEE STUDY THAT COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL SUGGESTED AND I THINK PROBABLY HAVE SOME MOTION FOR THAT. AGAIN WITH A CAUTION THAT IS WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY. CHARGING IS FAIR AND WE WE NEED TO BE FAIR THAT'S JUST A DELICATE BALANCE BETWEEN THE FUTURE GROWTH OF CITY AND WHAT WE'RE CHARGING AN IMPACT FEES. SO THOSE ARE MY FINAL COMMENTS ALL RIGHT SO DO WE WANT TO SHOW EMOTION OR. >> WE NEED TO HAVE A MOTION TO WHETHER 2022 LOOKING FOR A MOTION MAKE A MOTION AHEAD. >> MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE CITY MANAGER. PROCEED WITH THE 122 MILLION DOLLAR ROSE TO 2065 PLANT. AND I'M GOING TO STOP THERE JUST TAKE SIMPLE MOTIONS INSTEAD OF COMMON CASE MY SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY THANK YOU. >> WE HAVE A AFFORD TO GO WITH THE 122 MILLION DOLLAR. >> MODEL AND SECONDED BY VICE MAYOR'S SO ANY FURTHER MOTION WAS TO TAKE THE GROWTH TO 2065 AS PART OF THAT MUCH RIGHT, OKAY. ALL RIGHT WELL. COMMISSIONER LANGDON DIDN'T TAKE. THERE WE GO THANK YOU. >> AND THAT IS 4 TO ONE WITH COMMISSIONER LANGDON VOTING NO. >> FOR REASONS OR A STATE ID. >> I JUST THINK THAT AND BALANCE WE'RE PUTTING POTENTIALLY A LOT OF BURDEN ON THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE TODAY. >> 4. >> CAPACITY 25 YEARS FROM NOW 40 YEARS FROM NOW WHEN I REALLY DO BELIEVE THAT. THE CITY WILL BE AND A MUCH BETTER FINANCIAL POSITION IN 25 YEARS TO INVEST IN. YOU KNOW IT'S EXPANDING IT WILL HAVE THE SPACE FOR EXPANDING PARKING. EXPANDING JAIL SPACE EXPANDING. THE FUEL STATIONS SO. I JUST THINK THE NUMBERS ARE SO BIG AND THUS THE STRUGGLE IS REAL TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT BALANCE. AND GOING THAT EXTRA 15 YEARS COULD VERY WELL BE EXCESSIVE. FOR TODAY AND MIGHT BE MORE EASILY 25 YEARS FROM NOW SO. PAST THANK YOU. WE WANT TO DO A MOTION ABOUT IMPACT IS NOW WHILE IT'S FRESH IN OUR I'D ALSO LIKE TO GIVE GET A MOTION. >> TO CONSTRUCT A NEW MANAGER. GOT TO FIND SHE JUST WANT COUNTRY. TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY TO WORK WITH THE ENGINEERING FIRM. FORESIGHT AND DRAINAGE CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR THE HEADQUARTERS. >> TO THE 16. >> WE'RE AT 30. AND WE NEED TO GET TO 60 YEAR WE MOVED TO GET TO A 100% OK THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE TO THE 100%. >> ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION ON TABLE REGARDING SITE PLANS TO ONE PERCENT CITY CLERK HAVE DETAIL. >> DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO WORK WITH THE ENGINEER FROM FOR SITE AND DRAINAGE CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR THE HEADQUARTERS TO THE 100%. AND THAT WAS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER EMRICH NOTHING ELSE. LET'S VOTE. THAT PASSES 5 TO 0 NOW. SITE PLAN THAT IS ALSO THE ACTUAL BUILDING IN THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT BUILDING AND COME BACK WITH FINANCING. PERCENT. >> BUILDING EVERYTHING ELSE THE SITE PLANS TO JUST THE SITE TO PUT BUILDING AT THE PART OF ENTIRE STRUCTURE MEANS THAT. >> OKAY SO IT'S NOT JUST THE DRAINAGE IT'S NOT JUST THE DRAIN THE BUILDING BUT BUT MY QUESTION IS MORE SPECIFIC TO WILL IT COME BACK WITH THE ESTIMATE OF CONSTRUCTION COSTS. YES, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR >> THE BIDDING PROCESS OPEN TO A GMP GUARANTEED MAXIMUM PRICE THANK MAGIC NUMBER YOU'RE LOOKING THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE BEFORE I MADE THE NEXT MOTION BECAUSE IF IT DID NOT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WEEK WE SEE THOSE GM PEAS I WILL MAKE A MOTION THAT ONCE SITE PLANS ARE COMPLETE. IT COMES BACK. I SAW YOUR HAND YES. AND YOU PUT YOUR EYE ON SIR. SHOULD SAY SLIGHT DRAINAGE AND CONSTRUCTION. >> THE MOTION. >> SO I WILL MAKE THAT FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO HAVE THE MOTION BE A SITE PLANS DRAINAGE AND CONSTRUCTION. IF THAT'S OKAY WITH THE SECONDER AND EVERYBODY ELSE CURRENTLY NO AMENDMENTS. WE DO FRIENDLY AMENDMENTS. YEAH I STARTED BUT KIDS HE AND WHATNOT. >> THIS IS U BOAT. SHE IT. >> OKAY SOMEBODY IS IT ONLY NEEDS TO BE FIXED AND I'M NOT SURE WHOSE IT IS THE FLASHING START CRAZY >> I HAVE THE MOTION TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO WORK WITH THEM TO NEAR FROM FOR SITE AND DRAINAGE CONSTRUCTION PLANS THAT'S THE ONE THAT YOU NEED AMENDED. OKAY BECAUSE THAT'S NOT CURRENT SHE STARTED A DIFFERENT MISSION. >> SO WE MADE A MOTION AND A PAST YES TO 0. BUT SHE WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CONSTRUCTION WAS INCLUDED IN THAT MOTION THAT PASSED 5 TO 0. WE NEED TO START OVER THAT. YES, YOU NEED TO RECONSIDER THAT MOTION AND WE CASE NO WE NEED A MOTION TO RECONSIDER THE PREVIOUS MOTION. SO THE PREVIOUS MOTION THAT WE APPROVED 5 TO 0. COULD YOU PLEASE READ THAT BACK. DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER WORK WITH THE ENGINEER FROM FOR SITE AND DRAINAGE CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR THE HEADQUARTERS TO 100%. OKAY, SO I DID HAVE CONSTRUCTION. RAIN A WAY IT DOESN'T. THE SITE COM A DRAINAGE COMMENT CONSTRUCTION. YES, SO THAT WAS WE DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING MORE JUST TO CLEAR CONSTRUCTION PLANS TRACTS NOT CONSTRUCTION. DRAINAGE CONSTRUCTION PLANS. SO THAT'S THE COMMISSION OF THE POLICE HEADQUARTERS. OR THE ELC WHAT SENT HEADQUARTERS. OR WE GET I BELIEVE SO BUT I'M NOT A 100% SURE BECAUSE THEY KEEP TALKING THEN I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I IN THE STREET HERE. TO DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO WORK WITH THE ENGINEER FROM FORESIGHT, STRANGE COMMENT AND CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR THE HEADQUARTERS TO 100%. >> OF PEOPLE. >> THANK WHAT ALL RIGHT. >> SO THAT THAT ALREADY DOES THAT CORRECT AND THAT. INCLUDES THE GMP. A 100% PLANS INCLUDES GMP. >> THE PROJECT UP TO THE POINT THAT WE CAN THAT AND WE HAVE A GM AND HAND THAT WE BRING BACK TO YOU. >> SO THE NEXT MOTION IS TO HAVE ONCE THOSE SITE PLANS AT A 100%. COMPLETED IT COMES BACK TO COMMISSION. REVIEW PRIOR TO BID. >> SO I APOLOGIZE. IT COULD BE A UNFAMILIAR WAS CAN YOU REPEAT THAT. >> THE ESSENCE OF THE MOTION IS WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE YOUR SITE PLAN AND YOU HAVE YOUR GMT. BEFORE YOU GO TO CONSTRUCTION, THIS COMMISSION BOARD REVIEWS THOSE PLANS AND THOSE COSTS. SO THAT WAY AND THEN THERE'S NO SURPRISES. WANT YOU GUYS GO TO BIT. CASE THE BIG THINK CASE THE COSTS COME IN EXTREMELY HIGH OR MUCH HIGHER THAN THE ONE 22. >> SO THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO YES THE BY THE WE ARE WORKING THROUGH THE REMAINDER OF DESIGN PERMITTING WE ARE BRINGING A CONTRACT BACK TO YOU FOR A CONSTRUCTION MANAGER CONSTRUCTION SERVICES. AND WE WILL WORK WITH THAT CONSTRUCTION WAS TO ENSURE THAT WE WITH BUDGET YOU WILL NOT BRING EUGENE YOU KNOW WE'LL WORK ON THAT AS A TEAM TO ENSURE THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN. BIDDING FORTUNE. THAT WAS THE PART I LET'S GO OUT TO BID. BEFORE YOU. THE 4 G M P CORRECT, YES, THE FEEDING EFFORT ENDS WITH A GM. OKAY, HERE'S HERE'S MY GOAL OF MOTION. ALL RIGHT. THIS COMMISSION WHATEVER CHANGES HAPPEN DURING YOUR PROCESS BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WHAT WE SEE FOR THE ONE 22 AS WHAT'S IN THESE MATERIALS. YOU'RE GOING OUT TO BEGIN ITS SOMETHING DIFFERENT. I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE THE COMMISSION IS AWARE OF ALL THOSE CHANGES BEFORE YOU GO OUT ACTUAL BIT. NO I APOLOGIZE, I WOULD RELY ON THE OWNER GROUP OF POLICE DEPARTMENT TO HELP TITLES AND THOSE PRIORITIES IS A PROJECT TEAM IT. >> THIS IS GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU MULTIPLE TIMES BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE FUNDING IN PLACE. SO WE'RE NOT GOING GO OUT TO BID UNTIL WHEN WORK THAT OUT AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THIS INCLUDING THE CONTRACT THAT WILL COME BACK TO YOU FOR 4 MILLION DOLLARS. DOES NOT IT IS THE OF MULTIPLE SO BASICALLY THE NEXT BESIDES THE FUNDING PART OF IT. >> PUT THAT ASIDE AND TALKING ABOUT THE PLANS FOR THE COMMISSION WILL NOT SEE. >> ANY OF THE PLANS BEFORE IT GOES OUT FOR CONSTRUCTION BIT AND THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT COMES BACK. >> THAT SEEMS. THAT'S NOT HOW WE'VE DONE IT WITH OTHER BIG PROJECTS THAT'S WHY. >> MY UNDERSTANDING WOULD BE ABLE TO GO OUT TO BID THAT I WOULD COME BACK TO FOR APPROVAL. >> THE CONTRACT FOR BIG YES BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE THE COMMISSION SEES. WHAT IS GOING OUT TO BID SO WE COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND HOW THE PROJECT HAS EVOLVED KEEP IT AT THAT ONE 22. >> SHE'S GOT COMPUTER. >> I DON'T THINK THEY'RE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT IF THERE NO WE JUST ASKED THEM TO COME BACK WITH SITE PLANS AND ALL THAT WHITE CITY MANAGER. >> YES SO I BELIEVE THAT THE CONCERN IS TO MAKE SURE WE STAY WITHIN THE AMOUNT OF WHAT IT WHAT YOU ARE I IT WHICH IS SIMPLE BECAUSE I THINK OVER JUST SAID THAT SHE WOULD LIKE THAT THE 2 IS TO SEE IF YOU MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE PLAN THAT YOU HAVE SHOWN TODAY AND THIS BOARD HAS THE CHANCE TO AUTHORIZE BEFORE YOU GO FORWARD. THAT'S THE PART THAT UNUSUAL IN THE PROCESS BECAUSE WHAT YOU GET THE THE GO AHEAD FOR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY YOU KNOW WE'RE BUILDING WHEN THEY GO OUT AND THEY BRING YOU SOMETHING BACK THAT MATCHES THAT TOO BUT IF YOU WANT TO SEE ALL THE DETAILS START TO QUESTION THINGS THAT ARE IN THE DETAILS ASKED WHERE THE QUESTIONS BEING ASKED OF CAN YOU DO THAT RIGHT NOW TODAY. I JUST ALSO REMEMBER WHEN LIKE WE WERE DOING THE POOLS. >> 60% DESIGN PLANS CAME BACK TO COMMISSION WE WE KIND OF TWEAK THINGS AND MOVE THINGS AROUND IN AND DID. SOME THINGS THAT WERE WE RECOMMENDED AND THEY RECOMMENDED AND WE KNEW ALL ALONG AND THEN THE 100% DESIGN PLANS CAME BACK TO US AND THEN WENT OUT TO COMMISSION. I MEAN HOW TO CONSTRUCTION. SO I JUST. WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE SEEING TODAY IS GOING TO BE WHAT WE SEE WHEN WE GET CONSTRUCTION PLANS THAT'S ALL. I'M NOT SITTING HERE SAYING WE HAVE TO CRITIQUE EVERY SINGLE LITTLE CHANGE BUT AT SOME POINT BEFORE IT GOES OUT TO BID WE SHOULD SCENE WHAT THE NEW PLANS AND UPDATED PLANS ARE. WE'RE ASKING FOR A BUT THAT IS FOR THEM TO DO AND ONCE THEY'VE DONE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO SEE THOSE 100% PLANS BEFORE THEY START GOING OUT TO WOULD BE A CHANGE IN YOUR. NO THE BIG THE FIRST MOTION THAT WAS APPROVED WOULD TALKING ABOUT WAS 60% WHAT WE'RE NOT UP ABOUT 60% NEARLY 100% I WAS I WOULD USE AS AN EXAMPLE BECAUSE THERE WAS ROOM FOR. ADJUSTMENTS THAT FEEL. >> WE JUST LOOK AT ALL OF THE NORMAL PROCEDURE, BUT BECAUSE OF THE WINDOWS OF THE DIFFERENT HAPPY THAT UP ♪ >> SO THE MOTION THAT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO WAS ♪ >> TO HAVE A 100% DESIGN PLANTS. ONCE THAT IS BEEN THOSE PLANS COME BACK TO COMMISSION. BEFORE IT GOES OUT TO BE IT. BUT YOUR MOTION. I HAVE A MOTION MADE BY. COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL. CITY CLERK. YOU REPEAT THAT JUST IRONY. >> TO DIRECT CITY MANAGER TO BRING BACK THE 100% CITE DRAINAGE AND CONSTRUCTION PLANS TO COMMISSION PRIOR TO GOING OUT FOR A BIT. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK I HAVE A SECOND. I DON'T HAVE A SECOND SO THAT MOTION FAST THERE WE'RE LATE, I KNOW CLOCK ME SO I WANT DO. >> BUT WE JUST TO SHOW YOU WE CONTINUE THIS AND THEN WE'RE DONE WITH PROCLAMATIONS WE JUST COME BACK FROM MISSIONS INTO TO MINUTES AND THEN WE CAN FINISH EVERYTHING UP. AND ON THAT MUCH MORE TO NEEDS THERE'S A COUPLE I'VE GOT QUESTIONS TO FACT THAT. >> THEY WANT TO STOP HERE. I COME BACK PROCLAMATION WHICH ONE DO YOU THINK WE HAVE TO. >> ALL RIGHT WE'RE GOING DO A PAUSE IN THIS MEETING IT'S 4 '04 AND RECONVENE AFTER THE TRUCK COMMISSION MEETING AND >> 4 AND WE COME GREAT GETTING STARTED WAS >> TODAY TUESDAY MARCH 7TH 2024 IT IS ACTUALLY 4 '07 WE ARE IN THE CITY CHAMBERS AND I ALL THE CITY COMMISSION REGULAR MEETING TO ORDER. ALL PRESENT WE HAVE TO MISSION MCDOWELL COMMISSIONER, LANGDON MYSELF THEY'RE WHITE VICE MAYOR. STOKES AT AND RICH IS NOT HERE AS YET BUT WE DO HAVE A QUORUM. >> ALSO PRESENT OUR CITY MANAGER FLETCHER CITY ATTORNEY SLAYTON SAKE CLERK, OUST. PLACE SHE FAKED THEIR ASCENDANCY STILL IN THE ROOM. >> NO WE >> THE PLACE. >> IT. >> AND FIRE. >> WE HAVE THE BODY OF PROVIDERS BACK THERE. I CAN'T SAY LIKE EARLY >> THE OUT TEAMS OKAY ALL RIGHT, SO JUST SPORT, OK PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE COMMISSION ALIGNED WITH LATEST A >> BE HAPPY I PLEDGE TO FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES AMERICA AND TO FOLLOW WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE ALL. THANK YOU AND I'M SORRY OBJECT OFF GUARD THERE, I'M GOOD MY FEET AND I KNOW LOOKING FOR APPROVAL OF. >> THE AGENDA SO MOVED. ALL RIGHT WE HAVE A. >> A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA MADE BY COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER LANGDON THERE'S NOTHING ELSE LEFT. I AND THAT PASSES 4 TO 0 PUBLIC COMMENT. PATRICK. >> BUT NO MAYOR MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. MY NAME IS RICHARD PATRICK AND I LIVE IN NORTHWEST. CHARLOTTE COUNTY. I'M HERE THIS AFTERNOON TO INTRODUCE YOU TO. MYSELF AND TO LULAC IS THE ACRONYM FOR THE LEAGUE OF UNITED LATIN AMERICAN CITIZENS, WHICH IS AN OUTSIDE GROUP. THAT ADVOCATES ON BEHALF OF LATINOS AND HISPANICS ALL RACES. HAS BEEN AROUND SINCE 1929. AND HAS ADVOCATED ON BEHALF OF HISPANIC SNOTTY NOSE IN ALL AREAS OF VOTING RIGHTS CIVIL RIGHTS. ECONOMIC EMPOWERMENT. OUR COME SO WHICH IS 7 TO 7 SAKES WAS RECENTLY STARTED HERE. AND WE'RE THE ONLY ONE AND WITHIN THIS AREA. SO WE'RE SERVING NOT ONLY CHARLOTTE COUNTY. A COUNTY. SARASOTA AND ALL THIS DRONE IT AIRS. I WANTED TO MAKE MY PARENTS HERE. JUST TO LET YOU KNOW THAT CAN BE A PARTNER IN AREAS OF EDUCATION AND ALL OF THE OTHER AREAS THAT IN WHICH ADVOCATES AND A HALF OF HISPANICS. SO WITH THAT. I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING ANY CITY OFFICIALS IN THOSE AREAS I SEE THAT NORTH PORT HIGH SCHOOL HAS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF HISPANIC OR LATINO. STUDENTS AND IT'S ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF LITTLE AT ADVOCATE ON BEHALF LATINOS AND HISPANICS, WHEREVER THEY ARE. AND WE FIND OURSELVES. THIS AREA AND I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE TOO TALK TO HIM TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I'M HERE THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH, THANK YOU >> ALL RIGHT MOVING ON TO. >> I THINK THERE'S NO ONLINE PUBLIC COMMENT IS THAT OKAY MOVING ON TO ITEM 3 WELCOME NEW EMPLOYEES. CITY MANAGER THIS IS YOUR ITEM. >> THANK YOU MADAM MAYOR OUR DIRECTOR OF THIS CHRISTINE MCDADE IS COMING DOWN TO INTRODUCED. WE 40'S. >> GOOD AFTERNOON FOR THE RECORD CHRISTINE MCDADE HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR IT'S MY HONOR TO BE HERE TODAY TO INTRODUCE SOME OF OUR NEWS TEAM MEMBERS. WHEN I CALL YOUR NAME IF YOU PLEASE STAND. >> THE CITY MANAGER COMMUNICATIONS WE HAVE JEANNE DEVELOPMENT SERVICES WHERE WILL YOU ARE OUT A PLAN OR 3. >> AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR AGENCY OUR EMT. WE HAVE PAY RENT. FIREFIGHTER EMT. WAR FIREFIGHTER EMT. JOHN WE'RE ECONOMY. DIDN'T JAMES WARREN FIREFIGHTER EMT. EXACT REASON KEY ARE EITHER EAT. SEVERAL WE HAVE THE ARMY'S RODRIGUEZ. ♪ CORMIER WELCOME. THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WE HAVE HEATHER PUBLIC SAFETY TELE COMMUNICATOR. REMEMBER POLICE OFFICER. MILWAUKEE NETWORK TECHNICIAN. AND PUBLIC WORKS TRAVON THAT WAS A WORLD THINK COULD OPERATE OR 2. OF KSAT'S ALWAYS EQUIPMENT OPERATOR. JUSTIN RICHARDSON SOLID WASTE MEAN TO IS WHERE THAT A HAS TO REPAIR REP. SOON SEE STANCE IT AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST OUTSIDE MARISA MCCONNELL PROJECT MANAGER. OFFICIALLY WELCOME ALL OF YOU WISH YOU THE BEST NEW POSITIONS. >> ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU I WANT TO KNOW THAT COMMISSIONER ADAM RICHES HAS JOINED US THEM THAN US. MOVING ON TO PROCLAMATIONS AND RECOGNITIONS WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION AND THAT WE'RE GOING COMMISSIONERS TAKE A WALK DOWN. ♪ ♪ >> THE YEAH ♪ ♪ >> ALL RIGHT. WHEREAS THE FLORIDA GOVERNMENT FINANCE OFFICERS ASSOCIATION. FOR IS A PROFESSIONAL ASSOCIATION FOUNDED IN 1937. AND SERVES MORE THAN 3 3300 PROFESSIONALS FROM STATE COUNTY CITY GOVERNMENTS SCHOOL DISTRICTS, COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES, SPECIAL DISTRICTS AND PRIVATE FIRMS AND WHEREAS THE FGF ALWAYS DEDICATED TO BEING YOUR PROFESSIONAL RESOURCE. BY PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES TO EDUCATION NETWORKING LEADERSHIP AND INFORMATION AND WHEREAS THIS GOVERNMENT FINANCE PROFESSIONALS WEEK SPONSORED BY THE FGF AWAY. AND ALL OF ITS MEMBER GOVERNMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS, SO WEEKLONG SERIES OF ACTIVITIES IN THAT RECOGNIZING GOVERNMENT FINANCE PROFESSIONALS AND THE FINAL SERVICES THEY PROVIDE TO OUR STATE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND WHEREAS DURING THIS WEEK. GOVERNMENT FINANCE PROFESSIONALS THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA WILL BE ACKNOWLEDGED FOR THEIR HARD WORK DEDICATION AND LEADERSHIP. NOW THEREFORE WE THE CITY COMMISSION, THE CITY OF NORTH PORT FLORIDA. WE HEREBY PROCLAIM MARCH 18TH THROUGH 3/22/2024 AS GOVERNMENT FINANCE PROFESSIONALS WEEK. >> I JUST SAY WE'RE SO FORTUNATE TO HAVE THIS TALENTED TEAM IN OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HONORING THEM AND THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO EVERY DAY FROM PORT. >> THAT'S ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> WHAT OUR LIVE BLOG. ♪ ♪ ISSUE GOING ON. IT MAY TRY >> BUT WE JUST SUSPENDED THE GOOD. IT SHOULDN'T HAVE TO DO WITH THE MOST OF SHE'S LIKE WE LOST THE MAYOR. PRESSURE ON GUYS. PUBLIC COMMENT WE MAY HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT. ♪ ♪ AND WE ALL THE NEXT KNOW WE NEED TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT WHERE WE ADJOURN THIS REGULAR MEETING. WAIT. >> SHE WANTS TO TURN DARK HARDEN FINISHED UP AFTER HER COMMENTS. >> IF THERE'S NO PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THIS SPECIAL YEAR FOR THE REGULAR MEETING THEN WE CAN GO BACK IN THAT SPECIAL MEETING. >> AS YOU JUST FALLING APART WALKING UP. >> MINUTES. OKAY YOU 3 MINUTES, YOU'LL SEE OKAY. >> YESTERDAY I WAS DRIVING ON SUMTER HEADING TOWARD PRICE. AND JUST AS I WAS GETTING CLOSE SOMEONE CAME FROM ACROSS THE STREET COMING OUT A MAKING A LEFT NOT PAYING ATTENTION AND NEARLY KILLED ME. I HAD TO BE HERE ALL THE WAY OVER NEARLY ONTO THE GRASS TO GET AROUND HIM. WAS AN OLDER GENTLEMAN DRIVING A RED VEHICLE THAT THIS HAPPENED TO PREVIOUSLY JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO. >> MONTH AND A HALF AGO. >> COMING OUT OF THE CAR WASH RIGHT ACROSS FROM THERE. EYEWITNESS ANOTHER ACCIDENT. SO AND A BIG TRUCK CAME OUT OF THAT SAME PLACE MAKING A LEFT ONTO SUMTER. AND HIT AN SUV. WITH 2 LADIES INSIDE. I WAS VERY QUICK TO GO OVER AND HELP THEM. >> AND THE ONE LADY WAS VERY VERY ARE WAITING FOR. >> AND EMT. I THAT SOMETHING CAN BE DONE ABOUT IT. >> I HOPE I DON'T WANT TO IN THE MIDDLE WITH THE SIGN THAT SAYS PLACE TO MAKE A LEFT TURN GOING TO KILL SOMEBODY. THAT'S WHY I'M HERE OKAY WAS PROBABLY A MINUTE AND A HALF. >> HAHA THAT'S PRETTY GET ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. IT'S TERRIBLY DANGEROUS. THANK YOU MAY WANT TO PICTURE WE BELIEVE THANK YOU DOING MAKING A COMMENT. >> SO THAT IS AND IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE. I WILL ADJOURN THIS MEETING AT 4.21. THEN AT 4.21 I RECONVENE. WHAT MATTER. THE POINT YOU READY FOR THE NEXT. JUST GOOD JUST GET AND WILL START UP WITH OUR. WHEN WE LEFT OFF FROM MY LAST I ONLY HAVE ONE OTHER MOTION THAT I WANTED TO SEE ABOUT GETTING DONE THIS. PUTTING IT ON THE TABLE BEFORE I MAKE A MOTION I JUST HAVE QUICK QUESTION ABOUT TIME FRAME. IF WE WERE TO CONDUCT THESE IMPACT FEE STUDY THAT WOULD TAKE. BUDGETING PUTTING IT IN THE BUDGET AND THE CONSULTANT. THE TIME NECESSARY GO OUT TO BID THE CONSULTANT TO DO THE STUDY WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A YEAR TO 18 MONTHS ON A GOOD DAY IS THAT A FAIR. TIMELINE. >> I WOULD THINK THAT'S A GOOD ESTIMATE THAT OUTSIDE. >> AND THAT'S ALL PART SO THAT WOULD PUT US REALLY CLOSE TO THE TWO-YEAR MARK JUNE OF 26. SO THAT WE COULD ADOPT NEW. IMPACT FEES WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT. THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO AVOID BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO IT THE ABOUT THAT SAME LENGTH OF TIME. RIGHT YEAH, BUT THE >> AND I THINK JUST JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WORK LIKE INTERESTING TO THE EXTRAORDINARY SAID THE SEPARATE PROCESS RIGHT I THINK I THINK THEY WILL OVERLAP EACH OTHER. >> SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO HAVE CITY MANAGER. START THE PROCESS OF DOING A NEW IMPACT FEE STUDY. FOR PARKS. >> PD. >> FIRE SOLID WASTE GOVERNMENT. AND POSSIBLY TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES. >> ALL RIGHT WE HAVE A MOTION ON FLOOR BY COMMISSIONER >> MCDOWELL REGARDING IMPACT FEES >> CITY CLERK IN 2. FOR THE DETAILS. >> I'VE GOT THE MOTION RIGHT TO CONDUCT A NEW IMPACT TO START THE PROCESS TO CONDUCT A NEW IMPACT FEE STUDY. OUR PARKS. LAW ENFORCEMENT FIRE IMPACT THE SOLID WASTE IMPACT THESE GENERAL GOVERNMENT IMPACT FEES AND POSSIBLY TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES. A SECOND THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSION. THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION ON WITHOUT STARTING AND THEN DID AND THAT WAS SECONDED BY LANGDON FOR DISCUSSIONS SO TAKE AWAY. YEAH, YEAH JUST MORE OF A I WOULD WANT ANY ROBAR FUND THAT TAKES IMPACT FEES TO BE INCLUDED. IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY AT THE TOP OF MY HEAD HAVE HAVE WE UP MISSED ANYONE AND THAT MOTION OR DO WE HAVE ALL OUR IMPACT FEE FUNDS COVERED. I COVERED ALL 6 OF AS OK THEN I'M GOOD WITH MY SECOND AND THE REASON AND AS THE MOTION MAKER THE REASON WHY PUTIN POSSIBLY TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES IS BECAUSE. WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ON MOBILITY FEES WERE ALSO TRYING TO GET OUR 100% TRANSPORTATION IMPACT FEES FROM 2011. >> SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE IN THAT PROCESS. BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DIS TRANSPORTATION TAKE SHARE OF >> ATTORNEY. >> THANK YOU MAYOR, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT TO THE BOARD THAT ARE NOTICED FOR TODAY'S MEETING YEAH RELATES TO THE DEVELOPMENT CONSTRUCTION, THE POLICE STATION HEADQUARTERS AND THE EMERGENCY OPERATIONS CENTER SO ACTION RELATED TO IMPACT FEES IN THE CITY. IT'S NOT COVERED BY OR NOTICE. I UNDERSTAND THE NEED TO TALK ABOUT IT TANGENTIALLY THEORY TO SOME EXTENT BECAUSE IT DOES YOU KNOW POLICE FUNDING BUT IF YOU ALL WANT TO DISCUSS AN ACT ON GETTING PROCESS STARTED ANALYZE THE IMPACT THE CITYWIDE THAT SHOULD BE PROBABLY NOTICED ON THE AGENDA. >> OK THANK'S I ACTUALLY HAD A QUESTION I BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IMPACT FEES WE CAN DO ALL RIGHT OKAY, IF THE TAKE THE THAT WE DO TO TAKE BACK I JUST JUST. IT'S THAT WE CAN'T DO IT, I WOULD LIKE TO COMMENT ON THAT THAT >> I WAS GOING TO ASKED CITY MANAGER ACTION WAS APPROPRIATE. AND I APPRECIATE CITY ATTORNEY COMMENTING BECAUSE IT'S NOT APPROPRIATE TO DISCUSS THAT SUBJECT HERE SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH CITY ATTORNEY FOR ANSWER MY QUESTION. AND. >> COMMISSIONER LANGDON I WITHDRAW MY SECOND JOHN MY MOTION OK THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, HOWEVER, IT'S GOING TO STILL BE ON YOUR AND AND HOW YOU THAT'S WE COULD PUT IT AT ITEM ON THE MARCH 26 FOR DISCUSSION YOU CAN MAKE YOUR MOVE TO PROCEED ACCORDINGLY. OKAY, ALL RIGHT. SHUNS I HAVE I I THINK COMMISSIONER LANGDON SHE'S ON THERE. COMMISSIONER LANGDON JENNA MOTION. >> 1, 1, OF THE WRECK AND THAT WELL I I THINK COMMISSION SO HAVE A MOTION ON THE BACK BUT I. >> ONE DIRECTION THAT CITY MANAGER WAS HOPING TO GET TODAY IS ABOUT A FUNDING PLAN. AND I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THAT MOTION DIRECT CITY MANAGER TO PREPARE A TO CONTINUE PREPARING A FUNDING PLAN FOR THE ADDITIONAL SERVICES TO COMPLETE THE SITE DRAINAGE AND CONSTRUCTION PLAN FOR POLICE HEADQUARTERS NOT TO EXCEED 4 MILLION. >> TO GET AT. NOW SHE'S JUST LOOKING THAT DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO PREPARE A FUNDING PLAN. THE ADDITIONAL SERVICES TO COMPLETE THE SITE DRAINAGE IN CONSTRUCTION PLAN FOR POLICE HEADQUARTERS. AT A COST NOT TO EXCEED 4 MILLION DOLLARS. SECOND FOR DISCUSSION. OKAY. >> WE HAVE A. >> MOTION MADE BY COMMISSIONER LANGDON CITY PARK HAVE THAT. ALL RIGHT TAKE IT AWAY. >> THE CITY MANAGER TO CONTINUE PREPARING FUNDING PLAN FOR ADDITIONAL SERVICES TO COMPLETE DRAINAGE CONSTRUCTION PLAN FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS AT A COST NOT TO EXCEED 14 MILLION DOLLARS. WAS GETTING EXTRA MONEY. FOR OKAY THAT WAS SECONDED BY OK GOT IT OR DISCUSSION. OCEAN THAT'S MY WIFE SECONDED IT FOR DISCUSSION BECOME A OCEAN I I BELIEVE IT CAUSE. THIS IS THE DISCUSSION I THOUGHT THAT MY MOTION THAT WAS APPROVED THAT WE HAD KIND OF A GENERAL DEBATE ABOUT INCLUDED SITE PLANS DRAINAGE CONSTRUCTION PLANS TO A 100%. COVERED ALL OF THAT BUT BECAUSE FOR >> MANAGER COULD YOU CLARIFY DID WE COVER THAT ALREADY TIER NEEDS. >> I I DON'T REMEMBER IN A MOTION. I CONVERSATIONS ABOUT BUT STOMACH MADE THE MOTION LIKE TURNING THE AND CONVERSATION WAS UP TO THEM ARE IN MOTION COULD BE LIVE IN SUCH THING. >> WANT TO HEAR MUCH A DIFFERENCE WHERE IS THE FUNDING 4 MILLION IS NOT CURRENTLY FUNDED. SO I I THINK MAYBE YOU'RE ASKING THAT WE BRING BACK HOW WE PROPOSED ON THAT FUNDING PLAN. YES, >> ON PLAN INCLUDED EVERYTHING THAT'S INCLUDED WITH THE GMP. >> AND THE SITE PLAN AND THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS IN DRAINAGE PLANS. >> THE PREVIOUS MOTION WAS TO INITIATE USED IT TOO TO THE AMENDMENT TO THE CONTRACT TO CONTINUE DESIGN. THIS IS YEAH. >> OCEAN AND IS NOT CLEAR THAT IT'S FOR FUNDING THE DEAD. >> NO IT WASN'T A COMPLETE THE DESIGN. >> OF THE SITE DRAINAGE CONSTRUCTION WAS TO NEGOTIATE THE FEES THIS IS TO FINANCE RIGHT YET. >> ONLY TO FUND THE CONSULTING BUSINESS YET 4 MILLION DOLLARS. TO SEE. IT'S THAT WE'RE FUNDING WITHOUT A NEW DIRECTION. MOTION. IT'S SOMETHING DIFFERENT WELL A FUNDING PLAN BY WE'VE GOT YOU WANT ME TO REPAY TO I'D LIKE YOU TO RESTATE IT. >> BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF. THAT SAME WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT. >> WE HAVE A FIRST AND SECOND DO YOU WANT TO PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT. BUT YOU WANT TO HEAR YOU WANT TO HEAR IT AGAIN. SAY WHAT THEY'RE THAT. >> THE DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO CONTINUE PREPARING A FUNDING PLAN FOR ADDITIONAL SERVICES TO COMPLETE THE SITE DRAINAGE AND CONSTRUCTION PLAN FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS AT A COST NOT TO EXCEED 4 MILLION DOLLARS. >> THAT PART WASN'T YOUR ORIGINAL MOTION LET'S FOE. I HOPE THAT HAS YEARS. ♪ ♪ TAKES A VILLAGE ♪ NO THAT'S NOT RIGHT. YOU WANT TO TOUCH I THINK WHAT TRY TO I DON'T. >> I THINK IT. >> ALL RIGHT THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. REGARDING THE FUNDING PLAN. AND THE OTHER MOTIONS WE WERE TALKING ABOUT NEEDED TO MOTIONS THAT'S RIGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT >> QUESTION FIRST FOR CITY MANAGER ARE WE LOOKING TO MAKE ANY MOTIONS REGARDING SHORTS TODAY. SOURCES. YEAH ANY MOTIONS ON FUNDING SOURCES WHETHER OR NOT WE SUPPORT ANY PARTICULAR FUNDING SOURCES. THAT'S LATER YEAH, WHAT WE'VE BEEN USED MY CAREER WE KNEW SOMETHING OFFICIAL. >> I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU DO IT. WE WERE THESE ARE THE IDEAS OF THE TEAM THAT HAVE COME UP TO US AND BASICALLY YOUR FEEDBACK GO BACK AND TWEAK IN THE BACK SOME MORE OFFICIAL OPERATION AND I JUST HAVE 2 MOTIONS. ONE MOTION WOULD BE >> I GUESS CITY MANAGER CITY CLERK TO SET UP A MEETING WITH CHAMBER OF COMMERCE BOARD AND OUR COMMISSION TO SOLICIT INPUT. WITH REGARD TO THIS. POLICE HEADQUARTERS PROJECT. I BELIEVE THERE ARE MAJOR STAKEHOLDER IN OUR CITY. WE SHOULD HEAR FROM THEM AND SOME FORMAL SAID SO THAT'S MY MOTION. >> ANYBODY IS GOING SECOND AGAIN FOR DISCUSSION. >> ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION MADE BY VICE MAYOR STOKES AND CITY CLERK YOU REPEAT THAT MOVING OUT HOW JUST ADDED TO THE DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY PARK TO SET UP A MEETING WITH THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE AND THE COMMISSION TO SOLICIT INPUT REGARDING POLICE DEPARTMENT HEADQUARTERS AND THAT WAS SECONDED BY. COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL FOR COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL THAT YOU WANT TO YEAH I JUST HAVE CLARITY IS THIS A ONE-ON-ONE TYPE MEETING OR IS AGENDA ITEM TO MEETING. FOR CITY MANAGER. >> IN MY VISION IS A MEETING WHERE YOU AS A BOARD WEEKS WITH HIM AS A BOARD. NOW THAT WOULD BE A CHANGES. >> INDIVIDUALLY COLLECTIVELY OR TO A BOARD I THINK YOU. AND YOU WOULD EVEN BE INTO 44 OR WARNING CENTER SOMEWHERE NOT APPEARED. APPEARED TO THEM DOWN THERE. THAT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO HAVE A. >> ROUNDTABLE COMES AND RUN AND I WOULD ADD TO LOGIC AND RATIONALE BEHIND THIS ASKED IS THAT. CHAMBER IS CONCERNED THAT CHAMBER HAS SUPPORTED THE SURTAX THAT WAS REFERENDUM THAT WAS PASSED PAST SEASON. AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE SOME INPUT WITH REGARD TO FUNDING SOURCES TAPPING THE BENEFIT OF LISTEN TO THIS MEETING IN THE PRIOR MEETING. THEY SHE'LL AT SOME POINT PRIOR TO US MAKING DECISIONS ON FUNDING SOURCES THEY WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE THEIR INPUT PERSPECTIVE SUGGESTIONS. IT CARRY ON. >> JUST BECAUSE WE'VE HEARD THE CHAMBER DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE THE ONLY ONE. WHAT IS WITH COMMUNITY OR WEST BANK HOMES AND THEY WANT TO SAY SOMETHING SO THEY MAY WANT TAKE WELL IT WILL HAVE CHAIR MAY BE AT THE TABLE TO THE OTHERS CAN SORT OF JUMP IN IF THEY WANT YOU TO HAVE A CASUAL A LOT. >> ALL RIGHT LET'S VOTE ON THE MOTION TO HAVE A JOINT MEETING BETWEEN CITY MANAGER CLERK AND THIS COMMISSION AND THE CHAMBER. A GO. AND THAT PASSES 5 TO 0. >> I GO ONE MORE MOTION TIME AND THAT'S MOTION TO INSTRUCT SEE WHAT KIND APPETITE WE HAVE THIS MOTION TO INSTRUCT CITY MANAGER THE TO LOOK INTO. >> THE. >> ALTERNATIVE OPTION OF WE SPIED THAT OPTION ON THIS. A POLICE PROJECT. >> AS A POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVE TOOK ON THE OUT BUILDING IT OURSELVES. I'LL SECOND FOR DISCUSSION. >> ALL RIGHT SO VICE MAYOR MADE A MOTION CITY MANAGER AND STAFF TO THE ALTERNATE OPTION OF DOING WHAT HE'S REFERRING TO AT LEAST BY BACK. >> CONSTRUCTION OF THEY SAID OF COURSE THAT WAS SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL. COMMISSIONER WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT I DID GO AHEAD. SO. >> WHEN YOU'RE SAYING FOR THE CITY MANAGER TO ADVISE IS E COMMISSION MEETING IS THAT BY MEMO IS THAT. I'M LOOKING FOR LITTLE CLARITY ON WHAT YOUR EXPECTATIONS >> WHAT I THOUGHT WAS IS TO STAFF TAKE A LOOK AT IT CONSOLE WITH. POLICE DEPARTMENT AGAIN TO COME BACK WITH A RECOMMENDATION AT ALL OR NEXT COMMISSION MEETING THAT THIS PROJECT IS COMING UP ON WHAT I BELIEVE THIS. LAST WEEK IN THE MONTHS I CORRECT AND GIVE US AGAINST HIM PUT ON IT BECAUSE AS TO WHAT STAFF'S RECOMMENDATIONS ARE RECOMMENDATIONS ARE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S RECOMMENDATIONS LEGAL RECOMMENDATIONS SO THAT WE CAN WE LEAST TRY TO ASCERTAIN WHETHER IT'S A VIABLE OPTION FOR US AND WHETHER IT MAKES SENSE OF WHAT SOME OF THE DOWNSIDES MAYBE TO WHAT OR SOME OF THE PROS, YOU KNOW PROS OR CONS THAT WAS REALLY MY LOGIC IT DOES REPRESENT ALTERNATIVE. THERE MAY WELL PAY REASONS WHY IT'S NOT GOOD ALTERNATIVE. BUT I LIKE THEY'RE FROM ALL OUR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS. DID YOU OR WE GO AND SIDE WE'RE GOING TO GO BOND YOU LIKE TO CLARIFY YOUR MOTION TO REFLECT THAT TO ADD IN ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE COMMISSION MEETING. >> I DON'T KNOW CMU KIND OF GOT LIKE JUST A OK, IT'S ALL I MEAN YOU KNOW WHERE HEADED WITH ITS LARGEST WOULD ASSUME. WE GOT IT GOT IT THAT AND WE'VE MUCH SNOW. IT COMMISSIONER MUCH. >> YEAH I GOT APPETITE FOR THIS YOU HAD ME FOR WHAT THE CHAMBER, SO I JUST DON'T BELIEVE IN THE LEAST BACK PROGRAM AT ALL I THINK IT'S ALWAYS BETTER TO OWN THIS WAY ARE INVESTING INTO YOURSELF RATHER THAN LEASING INTO SOMEBODY ELSE'S POCKET. I DO BELIEVE IN THE SUB GREAT CONSTRUCTION, THAT'S A VERY GOOD POSSIBILITY BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T THEY'RE GOING TO OUT TO THE CHEAPEST INDIVIDUALS TO SO I DON'T FORESEE IT. AND A VIABLE ASPECT AND EVEN TO TAKE THE TIME TO LOOK INTO IT TAKES AWAY OUR STAFF TIME FROM ALL THESE OTHER MAJOR WE'VE GOT MORE AND I JUST CAN'T SUPPORT IT. I'M SORRY. >> ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU COMMISSIONER MCDOWELL, HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO TAKE CITY YOU KNOW WE TALKING LIKE 40 HOURS ARE WE TALKING 2 I KNOW IT'S RELATIVELY A NEW SUBJECT SO MAYBE IT WILL TAKE SOME TIME, I'M ALL ABOUT GETTING INFORMATION BUT IF IT IS GOING TO BE A TIME-CONSUMING ENDEAVOR. >> I THINK WE DIDN'T DO IT IN RELATIVELY SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME. I'VE ALREADY BEEN EXPLORING WITH PARTICULAR COUNCIL REGARDING THE WAY THEY PHRASE IT THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, BUT YOU KNOW WE DON'T HEAR THAT THAT'S THAT'S HOW I GOT THE DON'T SAY WHERE THEY WILL BUILD A LEASE AND THEN THE QUESTION IS ARE THOSE CAPITAL LEASE DEBT. >> WE'RE NOT INTO YOU GET THE BAR FOR NOT AND I'M BEING TOLD IS NOT THAT DEBT. OUR PUT HIS TEAM MIGHT A DIFFERENT OPINION WOULD BE BUT WE NEED WE NEED. WE DIDN'T SORT GET THOSE 2 VIEWS THAT ALIGN IT YET. BUT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING THAT PATHWAY BECAUSE IF THERE'S A WAY TO GET THAT DID IT IN THAT WAY AND TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR WITHOUT ACTUALLY GOING OUT BORROWING DEBT. WE THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD POSSIBILITY, BUT I THINK THE DEFECTOR HAS A COMMENT ON THAT AS WELL AND WE WOULD NEED TO LOOK INTO WHETHER WOULD USE OR TAX FOR THAT. >> BUT >> IF YOU WOULD LIKE WRITE OTHERWISE YOU GET USER TO ACTUALLY BE LOOKING SOMETHING OUT OF THE OPERATING THE BUDGET TO COVER THE PAIN SO. ♪ >> IF I CAN I WILL SUPPORT THE MOTION. GET THE INFORMATION CLOSE THAT DOOR OPEN THAT DOOR. I DON'T WANT TO CLOSE IT IF IT'S GOING TO BE EASY PROCESS THAT WILL GET THE INFORMATION THE REASON. >> AND PART OF REASON WHY I I WAS HOPING WE COULD WE COULD LEAST OPTION. IT'S BECAUSE WE ARE GOING POSITION OURSELVES TO GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND MAKE A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT ASK AND IT WOULD BE HELPFUL I THINK FOR THEM TO KNOW THAT. >> IF THIS IS EVEN AN OPTION OPTIONS AND IT'S NOT OPTION. IT GIVES IT A LITTLE MORE PRESSURE ON THE CITIZENS TO IT'S FISH OR CUT BAIT. WE NEED THIS IF YOU BELIEVE IN THIS IS THE ONLY AVENUE TO GET IT DONE. AND IF THE OTHER REASON OPTION WILL THAT THAT MAY BE A VIABLE OPTION SO I'M HOPING EVERYONE IN THE CITY IS GOING TO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT ONE WHERE THE OTHER I JUST WANT TO SEE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO PROVIDE ALL THE INFORMATION AND ♪ OPTIONS AVAILABLE. BEFORE WE OUR CITIZENS TO MAKE THIS KIND OF DECISION. >> RIGHT YOU'D BE ABLE TO DO SAID COME BACK WHAT IS INVOLVED WHETHER IT BE CLASSIFIED THE DEBT. >> WE'RE NOT ALL THAT. >> GOOD AT DOING FIGURE OUT I WANT TO SEEK SOME OUTSIDE ADVICE ON THAT AS WELL ALL RIGHT. I WILL NOT THING OUT BUT AND THAT PASSES 5 TO 0 THINK HE GOT ME FISH YOUR DO THAT WOULD >> THE ONLY MOTIONS WE HAVE ANYTHING MORE ABOUT THAT THAT I HAD QUESTION MANAGER DO YOU STILL NEED DIRECTION FOR THE REFERENDUM PROCESS ARE YOU STILL LOOKING FOR THAT DIRECTION. >> I NEED DIRECTION BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THIS IS THE PROPER PLACE TO GET WE HAVE PROPERLY NOTICED IT WELL ENOUGH TO HAVE A GOING TO WORK >> AND WHAT WAS YET ANOTHER ONE I. YOU KNOW I I WANT JUST ONE IT SAYS ON THIS LIST THAT YEAR DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO PREPARE A FUNDING PLAN FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE SO WE WE KIND OF THAT. >> KTVU IDEAS ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE ALL THOSE IDEAS. PACKAGE IT UP WITH OPENING BELL BRING IT BACK TO US IT'S JUST WHAT GOTTA DO WANT STILL PART OF THE PROCESS OF WHAT WE DO TO BRING THAT BACK WE'RE GOING TO GET BACK INTO YOU SOMETHING YOU THAT YOU ALL WITH THAT WE CAN TO FORWARD OR STOP WHAT ARE OTHER. >> I. >> OKAY COMMISSIONER IT'S JUST SENT THE SECOND TO LAST BULLETED ITEMS TO DIRECT HIM TO DO >> JUST AS WE CLOSE OUT I WANT THANK THE TEAM OUT HERE YOU GUYS. THERE ARE A LOT OF GREAT WORK TO GET US TO THIS POINT. STILL GOING THROUGH IT. THANKS FOR HANGING IN GREAT TO HAVE YOU WITH ECHO THOSE SENTIMENTS THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT DO WE HAVE ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. >> SO THERE'S NOTHING ELSE IT IS 4.44 IN NIGER IN THIS KNOW.