##VIDEO ID:tkS16bz2yK8## [Music] being held is required by the provisions of chapter 131 section 40 of the general laws of the Commonwealth and act relative to the protection of the wetlands as most recently amended notice the time and place of this hearing was published in the favor neighborhood news on October 18th 2024 it was also posted in the town clerk's office persons wishing to be heard will be called in the following order uh this meeting is being audio and video recorded and I just ask anybody in the audience if you have your cell phones please put them on silent uh first order business continued public hearing storm waterer amn estate Holdings LLC 39 Keen Road a storm water permit application has been filed by amn estate holdings for property located at 39 k road map 2 lot 16 12g 13B the applicant proposes to construct a six lot residential subdivision including 702 linear feet of roadway with a culdesac turnaround on-site sewage Disposal Systems and private Wells the applicant is represented by John M and A fing for plan name is drainage map Angelo Drive subdivision dated August 30th 2023 revised March 25th 2024 review of matters presented vote may be taken I'll entertain a motion to open the public hearing motion to open second all those in favor Mr Maran the FL is yours uh good evening John Martian from Far Farland Corp here on behalf of amn the state Holdings um we were here in front of the commission two weeks ago um to discuss the changes that were made to the plan I believe at that time the commission had not had a chance to review the peer review letter um there there was one outstanding item regarding storm water in that peer review letter um they were looking for some additional detail on the dimensions of the Overflow for the Basin um so we provided that from the revised plan uh we did meet with planning board last week they approved the the plan so hoping uh the commission will do the same comments anybody anybody from the audience for this project 39 ke Road no um well I guess say I'll just say that I watched the planning board meeting um I spoke with the peer review engineer Bill Madden he said that um all the boxes have been checked off on the project um that's that's pretty much what I got they do have the appit from uh the planning board all right so uh I'll entertain a motion to close the public hearing motion to close second all those in favor okay um I'll like to attain a motion to issue a storm water permit for 39 Key Road because the system has been designed in compliance with the town of a cushion storm water regulations and the Massachusetts storm water Hur is there a motion so moved second second all those in favor hi hi I'll thank you oh just um you know the shity that's the only thing right I don't know if that's been handled I think it's in the operation and maintenance plan and we record the operation and Main maintenance plan as well okay so it'll be you've sent that to me right on the yeah the O M yeah and I to it no no no and there's an estimate of how much per year yeah so that that would be the shity okay so yeah if you can get that to Joanne she'll we'll sign off on the star great thank you thank you Jo all right old business continue public hearing notice of intent Lake Street New be Reservoir Lakes 1 2 and four map three lot 13 map four lot 49 map 19 lot 32 SE file number 001 10595 a notice of intent was filed by James Kelly town of aush for the property located atford Reservoir Lakes 1 two and 4 the applicant proposes the removal at the root of invasive weeds from areas of the New Bedford Reservoir Lakes 1 12 and 4 located in a cushion using an Eco Harvester the applicant is represented by Scott dagget Street Improvement committee review of matters presented votes may be taken I'll entertain a motion to open the public motion to open second all those in favor I Mr dag how you doing good evening um so since our last meeting um there's been no new developments uh I did receive a letter uh I believe uh the commission has a copy of that letter that was dated August 27th of 2024 from the Commonwealth of Massachusetts division of M marine fisheries and wildlife um signed by Amanda Davis environmental analyst Massachusetts division of marine fisheries and the letter pertains to the um order of conditions that was uh applied uh excuse me sorry the U this letter is in reference to the notice of intent that was submitted that they reviewed and uh I believe uh as it states in the letter that they had um uh no no taking of any particular habitat um no particular species that would be affected by any of the work that uh we plan on doing uh in the ponds um and the only other uh item is a a letter uh a previous letter from the division of Fisheries of uh fisheries and wildlife that was dated October 10th uh I believe you have all read that one as as well uh and that one just laid out uh particular toy restrictions uh time of year restrictions in which we can actually do this work because of uh certain species out there I think it was U American eel and El wife or something to that effect where you know because of uh the eggling season of that particular species uh but we don't plan on doing any work during that time anyways U the work that we plan on doing is in August um so um you know they laid that out in the October 10th letter and the August 27th letter just stated that there was no impact to any particular species or any taking of any habitat so still waiting on sorry to interrupt it was yeah it was just opposite Marine fishery said uh division of Fish and Wildlife said that there was you know no no no take and then division of marine fisheries was the one so you got all the information is correct it's just yeah it's just kind of yeah it's a little a little bit of confusion between fisheries and wildlife and Marine Fisher um still waiting on uh some comment from Mass d uh I imagine that's probably going to take anywhere from another week couple weeks to maybe a month um but now that's where we currently are so we're just we're just waiting on more input from the state excellent uh anybody on the commission comments you got anything back yeah um so um the the discussion with d is it water is it related to the water quality sampling or the monitoring plan I'm just curious well I I don't know exactly what their comments are going to be based on the notice of intent okay so it's still comments yeah so there's still I checked with I believe I checked with the secretary at the selectman's office to make sure that that they did receive the notice of intent uh she informed me that there that it was currently being under review um so once we get those comments then we'll just address those comments I know in one of these letters uh there was mention of uh uh water quality monitoring um the um uh potential impacts of removing the weeds so I guess they want to compare before and after they want to make sure that that what we're doing is effective um we still need to put together some kind of plan uh as as it stated I believe in this a uh August 27th letter that we need to lay out some kind of a an action plan as to how we're going to monitor that and uh I have a few ideas um I'm going to speak to the rest of the uh uh kushion at U the Lake Street uh Improvement committee uh the other two members uh maybe get some input or discussion from um maybe selectman wner uh see if we can you know do something with uh maybe taking some photographs with drones uh before we go out there and actually start removing some of these weeds and then uh next year you know the the year after that you know do another drone flight so that we can compare one year to the other so that we can see how effective you know whether the weed growth is actually coming back a little bit faster than what we anticipated or whether you know the actions that we're actually taken are are you know going to stick are actually going to uh you know provide you know some clarity in the ponds uh we could also do uh some additional water quality studies uh I did check on as a website uh that's run by the state that has water quality monitoring stations uh throughout different areas in the three ponds at Lake Street I'm going to do more research on that uh to see if those are actual water quality stations or if those are just locations where they did prior tests uh if I can get some information as to some of the water quality um uh results uh you know maybe we can compare them from year to year because I do have a set that was done back I think two or three years ago that Solitude had done so you know maybe we can compare you know see if the water quality is actually improved yeah yeah and we spoke just briefly about some of that so I'm happy to you know help out if I can if have time but you know yeah did you ever get an opportunity to reach out to uh um I haven't yet but I I went um the letter August 27 they suggest there's a template and it's the reference number five for water quality monitoring so it's basic stuff of you know temperature dissolved oxygen but it's it's laid out there pretty well too but I had written down some idea so um I had one one other question if so so I think one other thing that had come up before was um and I don't know how you'll address this it's probably in the noi already but uh disposal of the weeds invasive species when you get them out of the ponds yeah so so I don't believe I covered that in the notice of intent um we've had some discussion in the past as to how we're going to actually manage that uh there's some issuing with uh dewatering uh so what Jeff had proposed osed from um CN D underwater uh once they got once they get the weeds in the hopper after they pull them from the pond put them in the hopper the hopper is going to dispose of them or dump them on on the shoreline U allow them to dewater for you know maybe a day or two or however long it's going to take to dewater uh and then there was some discussion in the past is to trucking them uh maybe using d uh DPW resources uh to the tow yard and landscapers can use that material for compost but that that's something that's ongoing you know we'll once we get closer to actually doing that we will have uh you know we we'll have a better scope as to you know I I'll get in touch with Dan Menard uh see if that's something that you know we can do if we can't you know we'll try to work something out with you know even if we have to hire a local landscaper or or or someone to take it away um we would prefer not to do that because we don't want to incur any more costs because the budget right now is you know it's kind of tight um relating to you know just the weed removal itself and you know eventually we're going to look into more funding because this is going to be a multi-year project so um you know to answer your question we have ideas we just go to figure out whether or not they're feasible to you know Implement them or not what did our leeville Implement when they did it I do not know um I could I can reach out to Jeff because Jeff did the work at Lakeville um I can ask him if he has any knowledge of you know what they've done if not I can reach out to the Conservation Commission there and find out how they managed it I remember when you were doing the the first time you filed the noce of I I was in contact with want to say it was the chair from Lakeville so I do have an email I can forward that to you so you can get in contact with it yeah plus I can also get in contact with the uh I believe that's that's um I don't believe the town had any not like what we're trying to do here but I I believe there's some kind of like a homeowner type or some type of a um I I forget what exactly what you call it it's some community of people who live on the ponds who actually you know I think they paid into it a little bit along with you know the town helping out and I think they're the ones who um pretty much implemented that whole process yeah I know they had somebody comeing going down there with a dump trailer and they wen't really dewat and they were just as soon as the stuff was coming out of the water they were putting it right into a dump trailer yeah I didn't ask them where they were bringing it well by the way I was there I didn't ask them where they were bringing it or who was doing do it but that was the way that they were doing it yeah no I remember I remember somebody from the concom it was either the chair of the agent that I spoke with and they said that it was great for landscapist yeah I I don't I remember the gentleman that was doing the what was his name the one that runs the machine and that owns it Jeff Jeff was in the truck the truck wasn't Mark so there was no telling on where it went but yeah that's exactly what they were doing they taking it out bringing it somewhere all right anybody from the public com I still I had a question uh have you guys done any research on what's causing the rapid growth of these weeds in the first place no but we suspect that there's a couple of different couple of different things that are that are affecting it uh do doing some researches to you know how these plants grow so rapidly uh a lot of the nutrients that they absorb phosphorus being one of them you know there's the potential that you know maybe there's some failing septic systems Upstream uh maybe the cranberry Growers when they flush their bogs back out into the ponds uh whatever um you know herbicides or fertilizers or whatever that they're using you know have some impact I'm just trying to fure how to word this um wouldn't it be um advantageous huh advantageous advantages that's too big for me to understand uh be a smart idea to figure out what's causing the weeds to grow at a high rapid rate before we start throwing a whole bunch of money into this project a little bit of preventive medicine you're thinking yeah well no I'm thinking about um strategically planning this cuz to just continuously do this and just chase the dog around the yard over and over and over again when the problem of the weeds the problem that's causing the weeds in the first place is not being addressed is kind of in my eyes just I wouldn't I wouldn't build a house and then try to build a foundation right right so so this this weed growth just you know didn't happen over a year or two years or 5 years or 10 years this weed growth has been progressively getting worse for decades it it's not like you know 5 years down the road you know it's expens exponentially worse it's it's a long process and we're hoping that if we can tackle it before it gets to a point of no return we can save the quality of these ponds now you know some of the smaller pawns like like the one that's across the street from Tom Davis the only thing that I can think of that would be affecting that is you know boats going in from one Pond to the other and they're tracking more of that stuff in um I can't you know I don't know maybe understand I I totally understand what you're saying but I still think we're putting the cot in front of the horse here personally you know we might want to try to figure out maybe or not even just try to maybe we should put more effort into finding the cause and how we could prevent this this uh nitrogen correct levels from getting so high maybe not while even before a while we're doing the project I I I understand that there's a great number of people that would like to see these ponds uh be cleaned up but on the other aspect it's a a substantial amount of money um to be just throwing around I I I just in a business aspect in the way I look at it it would it I think maybe we should try to figure out maybe a little bit more about what's causing this before we make any can I ask a related question yeah so if if I my understanding is that that's part of that's the intent of the water quality monitoring if if and whether or not you know uh the letter from DMF you know identifies you know if we if it's you're planning to do water quality monitoring you need the parameters you you need the plan but there's also other data sets that G has produced in in the previous noi so there is some some long there is some long-term data so at least you can track the trend in terms of identifying where it's coming from that would be ideal but has I I agree but I just it's a you know some of the longer term I I kind of agree I agree with both of you um but definitely like you know really what I had on this for tonight was the water quality monitoring you know and I think ties into that a lot cuz it's been a couple of years since Solitude didn't want to yeah I think so I think if this there you know like and it says frequency and I think if you came up with a regiment like I you know that's kind of what I was going to ask but you actually answered all my questions but like kind of following this to a te coming up with some sort of uh you know plan on in frequency of monitoring I think you know that'll that'll tell a lot as well yeah well one question I have and and this kind of leads to what Mr dearis was was mentioning at some point we all remember we used to be able to swim in those ponds and then Pond you know the beaches got shut down signs were put up no waiting no swimming is there anything uh is there any kind of documentation that explains the reasons why those pwns were no longer allowed to be swam in or swimmed in or weighted in uh because maybe that kind of leads to what Mr the baros is trying to get at is that at some point you know these pawns were in really great shape and then you know they progressively got worse Time After Time year after year and at some point someone in town or maybe the city in the bedro since they own the ponds made the decision no waiting no swimming um I haven't seen any signs that say you know do not eat the fish um so you know as to what's actually impacting the ponds out there I I guess it's anybody's guess unless there's some documentation somewhere in town that you have to say right now Scott right the one of the biggest problems around is nitrogen yeah right and you have all these new houses you have all the the cranberry GRS you get Keith B's company uh Keith Farms right all these places they use fertilizers everybody's lawn right so these ponds are a big stor water C right right so everybody that's using fertilizes everything else all this nitrogen bad septic system septic system that are gone bad de you don't have to replace them as long as you keep living there right and as long as it don't back up so you just have to say my own personal opinion I think the biggest problem with these ponds is the nitrogen that they're accepting that's going into them and then what thrives any plant nitrogen right right so my own personal opinion I think that it's we have a huge nitrogen issue in this pond that's making these things take off now wild and you say it's been over a progession right it's been a while but you take and you look at the town we weren't once this big right so everything has gotten so much bigger and then you look at all these houses they all have beautiful lawns all sprinkler systems they have e some company going there fertilizing every two weeks or three weeks or whatever it is and you have to say to yourself This nitrogen is going somewhere and it's going into storm runoff storm runoff is collected right into the lakes and I think this is the biggest my personal opinion is the biggest thing is nitrogen that's affecting this and and I would think it would be almost nearly impossible to restrict people's nitrogen use on their lawns I mean you you you could write up a bylaw saying you know you're only you know allowed to use so many pounds of nitrogen a year on your lawn but who's going to monitor it and and it's never going to go into a effect right because the people that have those beautiful ones usually have a lot more money than we do true just saying so so the only thing you know that we that we can do is you know what we're proposing to do and that's going to be a multi-year project you know giving this you know giving these ponds pretty much a haircut when it comes to you know eliminating these weeds did uh has anybody even done a physical examination of what's actually going on around these ponds as to what like activities unfortunately a lot of paperwork seems to go missing when they're being developed uh these areas are being developed um but if you can't if you did a simple walk around you could find pl plumbing piping Etc that would give you strong evidence of what this what what's getting drained into this pond has anybody walked it has anybody took the time to get out there and say okay let's walk all the way around these ponds let's do some investigation work data is awesome guys I'm not against data you guys are but at the end of the day there's a lot of stuff that's not mentioned people like you said there's laws out there people don't always obey them maybe there's somebody out there draining stuff into it has there any that would be a simple I see a simple way of just starting to go at to figuring out like what's how this nitrogen level is getting so high has anybody been able to go out and do that to my knowledge no the other thing is the water quality will tell us what's being dumped in there well it will tell it will tell us what's being dumped in there but it won't tell us the main question we get the results and we say okay something's really going crazy and especially we have different points we can say okay at this point it's really higher than anyone else now let's take and go walk it what I'm saying is we can use that data to really point out different areas because the water samples in different areas and we can point it out and go from there and I think tonight is a lot about the water sampling correct so if we do that that can give us directions which way to go I understand that but that also cost money yeah but they're doing it so what I'm saying since they're doing it we got look of the Noti get what I'm the only thing I'm getting at is a simple walk around doesn't cost anybody no money and it and it might just be like hey look at this all the road stor mod is coming out over here maybe we have to replum this area to go a different way other area instead of having to wait and find out the Hardway of what's going on in what areas are getting more we will already have a educated guest on where these areas are going to come up well if I may I think that if you were to do any kind of a physical walk around you would have to get permission from each and every a butter to that pond right if they say if they say no and if they say no and you go on that property now you're trespassing okay that's all if we're all true so you can go out you can you even with the no of intent you got to get let everybody notified in the first place I'm sure it might even shut and cut down on the walking around if you had willing neighbors that were willing to go out there and take a look for themselves it might another free aspect before we start throwing millions of dollars or half a millions of dollars at this project it's just little baby steps that uh free that maybe would cost that would save us time and money in the long run you yeah I'm Point noted it's a good point I'm not trying to shut down the I'm just trying to say like hey maybe we can do some small baby steps before we go and take this giant step cuz even you know me personally I strongly feel that for us to pay out and have somebody come out and do this is not the most uh financially way of going about the project cuz now that just limits that project to that pond this town also has other problems in other ponds that need to be addressed too if we actually B the equipment to do this stuff we could address other pawns and other problem areas at the same time which would help us financially fund this project yeah well that was one thing that was discussed a little while back is potentially buying our own Eco Harvester doing this ourselves so that you know the ponds at the golf course or Lake Street or you know any other Town owned property you know could benefit from this at the end of the day though I just feel we need to do some small some small steps and actually doing some ey handson free work say I wanted to add on to to U Eric's points but also Mr daget brought up that there are existing sample sites on on at least three of the ponds and whether they're being actively monitored and that's one way it'll provide some long-term trends if the if it's getting worse but when you design the water quality sampling if someone's actually going to go out I don't know if that would entail that but you can actually go out and collect samples at different points you got to get them processed so we'd have to talk to D CU I think at the state that's who you you can turn them in um but you could actually Target like you know water quality at the upper end of the lake you know midpoint and you know and you're going to if you can see changes you know track changes in the concentrations of nitrogen or phosphorus that that at least it provides some evidence of where we can start look yeah to look or yeah so that's just one thought but Mr dag Scott brought brought it up that I mean there's already some sampling sites out there and I don't I don't know if they're being actively used or not I get my guess is they they probably are but I don't know yeah I have to I have to actively research that and U I was looking at some of the data and just about every one of them says data not available contact uh so and so so I I may have to make a few phone calls to find out if you know there is actual data for those sites I'm I'm happy if if you want to talk again and can get a couple of those numbers I can try to make a couple calls too it be those contacts would be good for me personally profession one more final thing uh you said that you could give the date when they shut down the swimming and stuff right I don't know exactly when took place I mean I'm sure you could look into it and find out right I'm sure I I was I was assuming that maybe the Conservation Commission had some data relating to that I'm sure that's something that the conservation that could have been that could have been before was leing why did they shut down swimming because of duck uh duck fees in the water as far as I remember yeah that's what I heard but I because there was there was a time there if you if you walked off the town beach into the into the ponds it was like Sledge at the bottom yeah du Sledge yeah well that's a good point kind of but I was water out there on the pawns too yeah and they are right now if you can find out that time frame my next step in my investigation if I was going to be investiga this would be what what was being done in that area for construction wise and then you could start figuring out what projects were going on then maybe start looking into those projects we give you another good area of where to start trying to go with the looking but good walk around this just feel that might need to be done all right uh anybody from the public to comment on this no all right Scott what do you think um December next meeting or no no next meeting November 13th right is December 11th you want to do December 11th say December that way just a wait to hear back from d and then um maybe you know sketch out something with some sort of water quality monitoring yeah and maybe I can reach out to the city in New Bedford maybe they know the reasons yeah have they been receptive to your calls so no you know in the past they have not been receptive uh I have not been in communication with anybody from the Conservation Commission over there uh just because you know we're just trying to get this thing started you know we're not really into the you know the bones of it just yet uh you know as we get closer to that date and if we have more meetings you know maybe I'll reach out to them and see if they're interested um I I know chance had wanted to you know be in the loop uh but you know he received the copy of the notice of intent and I never received any comments so I I have no idea what they're involvement um you know their input is so excellent board Health might be able to tell them why they actually physically closed it was out town beach yeah yeah I I'll reach out I'll I'll reach out and see if I can get some information and and maybe that can kind of guide us in a certain direction to you know create some kind of a preventive maintenance plan if we need to uh or or at least get some idea as to you know what's been feeding these weeds excellent all right um I'll entertain a motion to continue to our December 11th meeting motion second all those in favor thanks Scott thank you that December 11th yeah December 11 all right thank you very much have a good night thank you okay next item notic 10 storm water whes farm that has been continued to the November 13th meeting next order of business continued public hearing notice of intent Justin Lawrence lamber street map 18 lots 4g4 and 4K SE file number 001 0597 a notice of intent has been filed by J Lawrence property located at Lambert Street map 18 Lots 4G 4H and 4K the applicant proposed to construct a single family dwelling in gravel driveway and the installation of underground utilities with the filling and Grading within the 100 foot off Zone to a bordering V Wetland the applicant is represented by David Dean PE of schneid Dean Leon Incorporated plan name is site plan for property located at the end of Lambert Street in a cushion at Mass dated September 25th 2024 revised plan dated October 10th 2024 review matters presented votes may be taken I'll entertain a motion to open the public hearing motion to open second all those in favor I I Mr thank you Mr chairman commission members again for the Dave Divan I represent Justin Lawrence who's here with me this evening um two weeks ago we presented the project to the commission I believe was October 9th um we requested a continuance for two reasons one so that we can go to the planning board the following week which did happen last week uh the planning board did vote to accept the plan that we presented um and the second reason uh we continue was to uh further enhance this the existing uh drainage ditch by implementing a Swale help carry off water um to the Wetland system in the back of our property which we did uh submit a revised plan the following day October 10th with a cover letter um as far as I know the abutter is here in support of the project so we therefore seek to close public hearing and and uh to get a vote for positive order conditions all right any comments questions concerns board no anybody from the public here to speak on this no I uh I watch the planning board meeting um I saw you know the plans the neighbors okay with it um it's a family compound is it is this the last lot for the yes this is the final lot there are no other lot that are available um it's a single family dwelling um and again it's you know nice little family compound so I I don't have any issues with it I saw the the drainage Swale as long as the neighbor's okay with it I'm okay with it it's going it's a well defined Wetland I walked the whole site found the staks um for the dwelling um yeah that's all I got on it so I'll uh I'll entertain a motion to close the public hearing motion to close is there a second second all those in favor um I'll entertain a motion to issue a positive order of conditions for uh is there a house number on that no for J law on Lambert Street map 18 Lots 4G 4 and 4K motion second all those in favor I I it's unanimous thank you good luck okay I mean Dave you're you're on here as well too I hate to I'm I'll let to a motion to take the agenda out of order just to get to get uh Mr out here motion is there a second second all those in favor all right okay uh public hearing RDA book I apologize guys this this shouldn't this should be this is pretty cut and dry um public hearing ing RDA Brookside realy trust care of John P Mato 1094 Main Street map 7 lot 15 uh request for determination was filed by Brookside realy trusts care of John P mao for property located at 1094 Main Street the applicant requests that the Conservation Commission confirm that the stream at the site is intermittent the applicant is represented by Dave vant vant Schneider and Leon plan name is plan to accomp the RDA application at 1094 Main Street and cion of mass dated October 3rd 2024 VI presented votes may be taken I like a motion to open the public hearing motion to open second all those in favor thank you for taking that out of order yeah no problem appreciate that um for the record Dave Deon I represent Brookside realy trust um as the commission knows they've been to the site before it's uh Mobile Home Park um there was an anrad done earlier this year by uh a different firm who are developing a solar farm uh in the fields in the back they have yet to file that notice of intent but at the time they they had the commission uh walk and approve um through peer review all the Wetland resource areas on the site specifically an extensive amount of wetlands on the site um part of that and rad showed the stream is perennial it had no choice but to show as perennial because it shown on the USGS map as a solid blue line which means it's uh presumed to be perennial until Pro proven otherwise um so uh we were there uh somewhere about a month back noticed the stream was dry took some photographs um four different days um we've also ran the stream stats uh program that the uh requires to show that it's the Watershed for that stream is less than one square mile uh so we meet the threshold for it to be determined intermittent uh which is a significant change in the uh for the property owner uh relative to his use of the property um so uh we were there on Saturday it was still dry um I've actually visited when it rained uh heavy maybe 3 weeks ago and I went the next day and the next day and kept following it and then it just shrinks up um I think it's one of those streams that carries a lot of water in the springtime during the wet season but uh a lot of the year it isn't running much at all so we simply filed an RDA request for determination of applicability um solely for the uh determination that the stream is intermittent at this property comments concerns questions have we seen uh pictures have you sent pictures to us of the in the RDA packet I submitted um the pictures are uh dated um they're taken with the camera they're all dated I also submitted an affidavit that I took all the photographs they're all taken from the same angle the cul looking up the cul you can see a storage uh uh unit that he has there and you know so all the pictures were taken from the same locations I actually took a fifth day it was uh not the best photograph because it was a a darker day cloudy in the morning um but uh so I submitted five and affid David uh testing that I took the pictures um and then the stats uh calculations and we went there for a site visit on Saturday so yeah I didn't make the visit right you could call that the sixth day essentially um think it's still dry okay is there anybody from the public to comment on this project no all right um yeah so it it was still to die when when we um when we were there on Saturday uh any other comments concerns questions I'll entertain a motion to close the public hearing motion to close all those in favor okay um I'll entertain a motion to determine that the stream is intermittent based on the documentation provided to us by Mr dman um as required by the white land protection act motion is there a second second all those in favor I thank you time thank thanks Dave I still say you should have made him wait all right new business public hearing notice of intent deep Brook estate LLC P drive and deep Brook Drive map 177 and 18 blocks 66 68 707 3 74 75 77 79 80 81 83 84 and LS 18 18 G 12s and 12r um is there an SE file number for this just came in today just came in okay I don't have it to read it out loud but there is a 59 I think I'm sorry what was it 0598 0598 all right a notice of intent was filed deep Brook States LLC for property located at Park Drive and deep Brook Drive efficient at Mass de book States the applicant proposes to finish construction on two subdivision roadways and drainage for the development of a 15 lot subd single family residential subdivision within the 100 footb zone of bordering vegetated Wetland due to an expired order of condition the applicant is represented by De vet of zenith Consulting Engineers LLC the plan name is deep Brook States definitive subdivision plan off Park Drive of Chris Lake Massachusetts dated October 24th 2017 review of matters presented votes may be taken I'll entertain a motion to open the public hearing mve is there a second second all those in favor M good evening Jamie Bonet Z Consulting Engineers for the record um like you said Mr chair this is uh filing because our order of conditions expired um so I know that we had a site walk on Saturday the commission got to see or the majority of the commission got to see uh the site I believe the agent was out there this week maybe for a little bit you didn't get to swing by okay um but anyways what I'll do is I'll I'll go through the presentation I'm guessing that everybody's very familiar with the site um and then whatever questions comments you have I'm happy to address them um as you're probably aware this is a 15 lot residential subdivision partially under construction um we did get the D file number today uh as noted um this subdivision has two roads or proposed roads uh that are under construction Park Drive which is extended um as you can see running vertical on the plan here and then deep Brook Drive which runs left to right um both are presently in gravel condition uh Park Drive does have utilities uh drainage structures and the like in the ground with steel plates placed on top of them there also additional structures that are over on the side um because uh construction stopped kind of abruptly when we found out our permit was expired um as you'll notice um to the top right hand side of this page the drainage basin at the end of Park Drive is in installed um the two drainage basins um for deep Brook Drive are cleared those areas are cleared uh but the basins are not installed yet um last year we were in front of you uh doing the storm water permit somehow inadvertently through the process when this was originally permitted uh there was no record of a storm water permit issued while the drainage was reviewed and peer reviewed originally and planning boen conservation issued their permit the town has a storm water bylaw so we worked with the town to get the storm water um in compliance under the bylaw uh bills and Thomas did the peer review I think that the only thing outstanding on the storm water would be the bond um to complete that but I know this uh board was the one that reviewed that with Beals and Thomas and was comfortable with it we're not looking to make any changes we're just looking to update our approval since it lapsed with the conservation since that time as um you're aware uh natural heritage has taken jurisdiction of the majority of the property um we have spent the past 10 months 12 months uh discussing this with natural heritage um trying to figure out how to proceed forward um we're at a point with them where they recommended we file the notice of intent and appear in front of the commission so we think that we have a path forward on this project and um and we're here before you tonight hopefully to move towards getting an order of conditions so we can complete the project out here I'm happy to try to address any questions you have questions comments so you know my my biggest thing really is um you know this this project had already started um there is Utilities in the ground there's catch basins um drainage stuff like that in the ground storm water basins already partially or you know 3/4 of the way constructed um you know it with the with the lapse of the order of conditions um my I guess my biggest thing is um you know I don't want to set any precedents uh delineation is good for 3 years um we we found as a commission on other projects that delineations you know may not be correct after three years you know things change so I guess our biggest thing is or my biggest thing would would be to have just have the wet land line the stone water calculations that you know we went through that with a fine tooth comb and and they they did that process we didn't you know this was back in 17 I wasn't on the commission ever I believe was were you okay um so yeah I mean I think it's something you know that we need to look at okay um that that's really what I got any from the public I imagine you guys are here for that um yeah so that's essentially what what I'm thinking that needs to go down go down on our end you know just to make sure that the the delineations are correct I mean as as for the project itself I mean it's not it's not I don't think the delineation is going to affect the roadway construction because I mean it's it's already built you know and and there is a replication area I know that that's of them two of them yes but you know ultimately it may affect some of the Lots so but you know every LW individually is going to be filing as well so um and the the the lineations may you know shrink the Lots down I don't I don't know they may have to go for variances for the certain L you know that's not our jurisdiction ultimation right yeah so um so normally what we would do is send it off to Bill Madden and we we were doing that in the absence of of an agent we now have an agent and at one time we did have a list of um peer review Engineers that we use still do right but we we have we've been declined by many of them due to other projects that they're doing in town like we use BS and Thomas yeah we can't use Bill Madden on this one we can't use Bill Madden on this one I imagine Beals and Thomas isn't going to use it so um I I had talked to Mark and I just you know did a Google search and you know qualified environmental Engineers near us and this this is what we got I know you guys were handed the list yep I it so they're they're relatively local um I think we've used LEC before ecosystem Solutions was recommended to me I looked them up they seem pretty legit um but what I think which we've also done in the past is I think you know we send out the plan PL to these three Engineers um we we get a quote and we submit the quotes to Zenith and and Mr Costello and let him decide on which which quote they want to go with and you know I agree I think that's the fair it's fair for all parties I mean if there's any conflict with us you know I mean well we don't have a confence i is right no so you know and I expect the same from them you know I know they would what was what was the reasoning for not uh update in your filing requesting the extension I think it was a misunderstanding of the date of expiration um they the client was informed that the permit extension act because of Co the tolling period that they were allowed the extra 482 days but they weren't um there was a fine window in which they fell that qualified them we believe from the extension and so um I think it was just most likely a misunderstanding or miscommunication all right my only way is that um with the construction that was done that those delineations are going to change yeah but they're not going to they're not going to go into the road the road's already built I I I not against that I'm just um I don't know it's kind of a rock and a high place I just don't know how fair it would be to the applicant um unfortunately did um I but I could just it's a it's a tough It's aough tough situation I just think it's it's really the proper way to go forward and I mean I'm fair with everybody I think my track record says that I just think it's the right thing to do and send it out to PE it has to go to peer viiew you know yeah maybe it would be in the best interest of the applicant to have multiple outlooks could we do that instead of just have have it maybe it would be better for him to have two people look at it instead of one we don't typically do that I mean no we don't typically do that would be an expense on their they they improved a lot of costs with the storm water end it um there was a lot of peer review there was back and forth there was a lot of eyes on it maybe I'm not making I'm not saying to make a motion with that in it I'm just saying it might be in his best interest I feel if we have if we send them out to have it the new delineation line put in or have that one checked I think that is fair to have one company go out there we never tell tell anybody to use two companies to make sure it's right I mean they when was the last time you guys did it the delineation line that on this I believe it was sometime around 16 2016 I just I'm just worried that there might be some big moves we don't know let's get another guy find out but that's that's part of the peer viiew process now they'll go out there and delineate and then Jamie will have one of his guys or Jamie himself or whoever does it for Zenith they'll say hey I think you're off here and then you know they meet in the middle or come to some sort of consensus you know they don't they don't split you know they don't split hairs they and I'm just worried that um the site of one may be different than the site of the other and with it would it it would it cost more money yes but if they were to lose a couple Lots it would cost a lot more right they're the experts I say we let them I think I'm just making a suggestion well it's been almost 9 years correct since the delineation like 8 years right so that means it's already should have been checked three times or going on the third time cuz 3 years expires right right well typically if we send it in and have it done now that's going to update it right to where we are today everyone's going to know what the real line is whether it follows that or moves we I I'm not being crude I just say I really don't care what it does it's what it is right so as long as we get another company out there check out the delineation line see if it moved if it didn't move it's all great for you guys if it did move you might have to change a little things and we'll address that when it happens but let's get someone out there go to the new delineation line I think um what Ryan is saying is perfect we go send it out to three different vids uh three different Engineers say here you go these are the three that have it these are the quotes you guys pick them and go from there I missed I got LEC in uh ecosystems what and a Gentleman had submitted his resume to Mark uh John Rockwell John Rockwell okay I'm familiar with all three companies okay oh then we don't want to use them no I'm kidding no I mean business the delation things were no I get your point but I you know Outlook one guy looks at something totally different than the other some some people are a little more conservative than than others but that's that's part of the process is normally I you know I've talked to Brad Holmes before and he told me normally you're talking like a foot yeah and they meet in the middle and then they meet in the middle at 6 in it's typically how it goes you know I mean there's going to be that's you know all these ngers have picked each other apart for for years they they all do it you know yeah I'm just I'm I'm sure LC's you know um they've you know delineated stuff for or peer reviewed stuff from LEC or whatever so I guess my question is so are you guys guys okay with with this proposal to move this project forward we think that comfortable it's it's fair I we like the idea of seeing the three and being able to being able to work and look at the numbers like you said there's been a big cost burden and I have a question let's move this on a my question is are they just eliminating the wetlands around the roadways I would say all all the wetlands all the wetlands I would ask for the entire property correct I think that's what that's what our intention is is to have the line for the site locked in uh because one works with the other you know we we definitely yeah I appr that's a great question though I'm thinking just right now we're talking about finishing your roads we are y that's what we're talking about right now yeah I I appreciate that and the house lots are coming back to us so yes they are I think that we'd like to lock in the entire resource area line though okay that makes sense I think that makes sense too so that once the road's done you can done one and done right yeah just I just I just see the delineation going both ways cuz now the landscape has changed drastically right and it might move a lot we don't know we find we'll find out I I think we're all in agreement that's the fair way to go forward I I try to be fair with everybody I thought about this and I think that's the best way to go so is the process you're going to send out for three bids yep you're going to share the agent's going to share the bids with us yep we're going to review them do we respond to Mr Milton and say listen this is we've elected to go with X and then send it off and then we come in we give a check for whatever the cost is to get that done and we ask for a continuance now every meeting until it's rectified because we need a date certain right for this to happen Okay that's I think that's probably the best course of action then yeah how many aces is that total I knew somebody was going to ask me that I looked at the plan itself and it's broken up into multiple spots but I think it's about 60 right yeah probably how many it's about 60 there's a piece in the back that's being left as remaining non-buildable parcel that's like 25 acres or so so you got to get almost 40 acres done yeah yeah yep so and in these uh these uh retention puns they weren't how what were their Rel relevation relative to the water line do you mean horizontally or vertically vertically vertically um it depends um some of them had multiple foot separation from the bottom to the seasonal High groundwater and then others we found were actually too close to the groundwater so in one case we actually proposed a liner in front of the storm water committee um at the request of Beals and Thomas so that we would make sure that the in it wouldn't have an infiltration property but a detention property I just look at it as that being impossible areas where the construction would put a damper on the deliniation oh understood so your concern is in the areas of the Bas and maybe having done yeah understood you get what I'm that's what I'm getting it there's only one Bas in built correct there's one built but I think he's also saying the disturbance cuz you had the SK going in and cut the they can do they're going to use the touch if it's already been cleared they're going to use the touch all got to find it yeah it's not if it's not hydric soils it's not going to become hydric and yeah but it has to be hydric so within 15 in so now if you took 10 in off of it and it was already Hydra Hydra Hydra mhm now you're falling in between that area where it would be considered a wetland but hydric and seasonal water are two different things hydric is typically a color and a content of soil whereas you can be in you can be in water table and not be in a wetland and and hit water table and not be considered a wetland as well so if they took the top soil off and it was hydric um you'd still you should still see gray material and the sign of water table where you typically see the dark black up top the monkey Wetland soil but if we took took in nice Sands and we took the top soil off we would have maybe a water table showing but it would be Sandy and it wouldn't show the colors of a wetland um but that's something we when we when we're walking with the Bist we'll make sure that we address it if we're concerned with it I appreciate your concern I know you're looking out for the best interest on this I really do I see it thank you yeah um all right so yeah go ahead one question and I don't know if it's appropriate for this meeting but it came up I think the other day uh you graciously came out and presented this um whatever day it was I'm losing track of my days here but I think the um the operating and management plan came up for the detention ponds and and that's something there was the issue of a shity came up and so I I think that's something that see there was some discussion of of potential homeowners association so I don't I don't know I I just wanted to raise that because I I don't know if it's appropriate out with yeah what we'll do is we'll we'll go through our notes it's been about a year we'll go through our notes and we'll put together um after I talk with my client we we'll put together something in writing for you and present it so hopefully we can close that chapter out as well that'd be nice and then and then the one other thing that uh was the replication there were two replication sites so we it came up it seemed like um y it was in progress they were planned but it it came up I I mean I don't know um again just make making sure that that's you know uh squared away or you know yep that's the right term but right no check that check that box out where was the where was the area that was being affected that was a wetland was it on the roadway so there were actually a couple of small areas there was if my memory serves correct there's an area over near where this headwall is going to go in and then there were two areas near the head walls at the Deep Brook crossing here and here and the one over here and then we had replication areas here which is adjacent to this one and we had a replication area here which is adjacent to these too so now if we had it delineated n do they go back to the original soil cuz now it's not going to show as a wetland so now know what I'm getting they didn't do the replications yet I know but what I'm getting at is now they might not have to because now it's not going to be well those areas were were affected because of the roadway I so they they have to be done part of the yes so then what I'm get if we had it delineated right and it was a wetland now they changed it they changed the soils there's no plant life there technically it wouldn't be coming up as a wetland as a delineation today so now they would not be required to do a replication for that area because that no they're still relable it's on the plans they submitted to us so they have to they have to follow that plane I don't think that we would we would pick that battle um if I I know I'm just trying to process the whole thing cuz like that's a huge change that's what I'm getting at with having it all done again that's a huge change just because somebody Alters a wetland resource doesn't mean that they're now exempt from the wetlands protection act there so technically we got partway through our construction period and our order lapsed so I what's best for everybody is that we get it back in place so we can complete it but like you said what happens in that case well what happens would be that we're still on the hook to do the replication area at the very least sure because we have committed to filling in a small portion of wetland disturbing it and then replicating it so at the bare minimum we would have to didn't change do the replication that didn't change yeah no but it no man you're just you're not catching what I'm put you're just not catching the delation line might change the resources but they still got to put them in no matter what happens with the delineation line yes and that didn't change I don't want to get too technical but thank you at the end of the day it would change and if this plan went out the window and it went back and redid the whole thing again it would change but it can't it can't because it's been and then that's going to that's going to that would trigger a whole bunch of other things that go through it start over with planning and this has already been approved yeah no I'm just curious on how that would like that's where I I'm just curious I want to make sure that every dot is connected this is not a small project this gentleman's have been through the ringer already and I don't want to have any more fall on my back because I overlooked something so yes I'm going to ask these questions I understand we're going to we're going to go right now the first step in this process would be to send it out to one of these three yeah select one of these three let them select one of these three that they revie that first and then and then we'll have we'll we can have the same exact conversation whenever we have the new wet land line and just I know this is just one more thing um as I'm thinking of it before the New Order is issued we're going to have to request a certificate of compliance for the old order because you're not supposed to have two orders for the same work at the same time even though one is expired right so the way that we've handled this in the past is we would file the Certificate request with part of the work completed State what's been done what's going to be done on the New Order so that it's very thorough and that way you can release us from the existing and then we can record the New Order right so so procedurally we're clear yeah okay all right I just wanted to be very up front with that as I'm thinking about it okay thanks thanks all right so um this is going to probably take a little while huh well you got to hit the ground running yes right so the next step is getting these out to peer review presumably these three firms will come through if not we we can go back to L and we'll consult with with yall um this is this is a small point but it's a really big file so maybe I can work with someone at Zenith to get some kind of Dropbox that we can give a and they don't have to pick right no these are these are three that we into yeah but it's they we're comfortable with that yeah they have to use one of these we let choose which after we get it that's the process that's how that's how we've done it in the past yeah I know I just we had recently we've been using Madden strictly as as our viewer because we didn't have an agent and I don't know I don't know how you guys feel I I trust the guy viers either honestly we we we reached out I reached out to P viewers and I we've been we've been we had a list already I just didn't know if they had to say on they wanted to have none of them none of them were able to do okay with that you you reached out to these guys already and they said they'd be able one I have an email in two but I've talked to two so that's yeah yeah so I mean at least we got some sort of R and we're comfortable with it right that's right and and and they're okay with this process so let's Mo this along on a rotation basis you know we were doing it on a rotation but the rotation dropped off as the peer riew Engineers dropped off just not dead righty up had a conflict you know we take that into consideration we'll kick this out and then uh let you know so we have to continue this to a date certain um we want to do to December 13th is that is it the 11th December 11 oh 11th yeah so we can we can do we can do December 11th just for an update um I just want to remind members of the public that you got a um a a notification for this meeting um you won't get any more butter notifications for for these meetings dealing with d Brook so what I can suggest to you guys is to go on the town website under conservation or or under notifications at the absolute bottom of the page choose conservation agendas and you you kind of have to follow along with that yeah sign up our meetings are on Wednesdays twice a month maybe not the next two months because of um holidays and stuff and you can look at our under our website conservation tab need be call the office yeah or call the office or um but yeah so we'll you know we'll tell you tonight um well I'll entertain a motion to continue this to the December 11th meeting is there a second all those in favor hi so yeah December 11th will be our next meeting um like I said the email updates are great I get them for all the boards selectman um planning you can choose whatever you want to follow along with but um this project specifically will will just be dealing with us um appreciate thank you very much have a good okay um well this brings us to what we were just talking about I'll out to your office upd apprciate PE review Consultants review matters presented votes may be taken so um oh we have a new list as of right now n of these guys have declined um I would just you know who have we reached up to who has um all well John John Rockwell reached out to Mark and Mark reached out to these two other companies and we have Bill Madden from GF so and I and I have resumes for two of them copies and send to whether it matters or not but I I think they're they all seem really qualified I know rle has done a lot of work for the Commission in the past has he yeah and at LEC they there're they have a bunch of different offices and they they provide all kinds of ecological services so I I mean I think they're a little bit bigger maybe but I all good they have an office in Plymouth this year was reaching out to okay um the others in is it War yeah and we also got to look at who's going to be able to do it right we're going to say if someone says oh this three months out we got to try to find someone that's a little closer I don't want to P it that typically that's what we were doing Joan we had a rotation going and we would you know just go you know who's next Who's Next who's next um we've been taxing Bill Madden I talked to him the other day he's working on uh um whites right now so yeah he said he's trying to wrap that up for us and planning um yeah so I I think it's good that we have a list again and we can do the same thing you if you guys want or I don't know I really feel comfortable with Bill manager I I really do too it just it happened in this case that there so we're going to use someone else and we'll see going uh going further forward you know yeah I I really like Bel I I you know I think he's done great for us he stepped in for for a project that we were really having issues with with and um I you know I KN on what I asked him about it he said he hasn't heard anything either um you said that they could the the applicant can pick any one of these three Yeah well yeah I mean typically you know that's probably the best way to do it I like that if we all agree to to these being you know who we're using at this time and if they want to pick that's fine I think that's I mean it's the fairest it's the fairest way because I mean somebody may be looking for just a discount you know or the best price as long as they're reput I don't I don't have a problem with any any of these I've I've done research into all of them and I I don't have an issue with any of them so the commission's okay with that we put a tab we put a tab on the website with with the list of our period review Consultants that we used and just so it's transparent yeah you familiar with him huh I'm okay with that um do do you guys want to do a I mean should we take a formal vote on creating a list and putting it on the website or wasn't hurt would it what's the worst is going to happen it wasn't needed no um I think M's going to get a terms and conditions from each one like me and had done in the past y so once we get that in from each company if he's got some of those already we'll keep that in the office and then once we have that I think then it could go yeah cuz they give a general overview of how much general cost for a project applicants can go to the website and find somebody local you or somebody else long as they agree and you you agree M will sign that contract right and then we get it down to the town the tre's office sounds good all right sounds good sounds good if you want it do you want it like just agreed through an email verbal or do they have to come here and actually because that'll take more time to get that agreement like on just I think I think emails suffice yeah if they're both in agreement sign it Mar's going to sign it and that'll be binding yep so right that's what we have an agent for y right I agree that works good all right I don't I don't think we need to take any action on it I think that's just how it's been working right all right uh oh sorry agent updates go ahead so there's there's two things a lot of things came up being regular agenda um so uh I should I should put the date down but um Brad Holmes went out to 324 Main Street that's Jose Roman's place and uh Jim was there um and we met him out there and so uh I need to follow up with Brad but on on site he proposed he seemed he he proposed um um coming up with a a strategy to mitigate the impacts and he proposed I'd never heard of it but it's a friendly inforcement order uh he said he'd provide me the form I don't know exactly but basically um um it's an enforcement order but it gives gives uh the proper owner step byep guidelines yeah and and but they don't need a notice of of intent but permit to work in the resource area uh Mr Holmes is going to delineate the Wetland he probably has done that already ready um no engineered site plans but um Brad is going to use GPS and to to to lay out the site um and I can provide you some more details if if you have questions but just working off my notes um and then there was a issue I I think part of the impact resource area was actually on the adjacent Property Owners it was across his property line so um Mr Roman went and got the a letter from his neighbor I guess they have a longterm relationship and he was fine with uh um Jose doing the work on the property and remedying so um Brad Holmes said you know we just need to get a letter so apparently there's a letter in place so that's kind of an update on that one so I guess my question to the commission was does are you comfortable with that that approach it's kind of a little less formal uh approach to getting the well it's still formal cuz I mean it is through enforcement but it's friendly right well you know he he's been um receptive to our concerns and he's looking to remedy the problem so I don't I don't have an issue with it need to be guid as long as you see positive progress right there guidelines and that's what the friendly I mean talking to Brad it was really a nice way the way he was putting it and he's going to find the line before he makes any recommendation like where the MCH gets moved or anything like that so um it was actually really nice talking to him and going it over with him he actually did a few augers for um just for Mark and I while we were there and he actually thought the line was a little closer to the um Corral than what I would show because he thought the Pines were going to be fine and actually I think some of them might not be but he says he'll put the whole line in he said it was a few weeks out M before he could get there but um he is going to get there he's going to put the whole line in and then from there we'll figure out how his Jose is going to attack it to redo it so you're saying it went into the pine you're talking about the spruce yeah yeah the spruce in the the ones that were cut down those closer yeah it was those were Pines yeah it's up closer to they were Spruce they were yes but it's up closer to what than what he figured but he just pulled a couple lines he's going to do the whole thing and when he does it and then it's going to give us an exact line with GPS coordinate and I I think it's the right way to go I really do Mark I had a question regarding this did we did we follow up with Mr Roman on um what he's exactly doing with um the manure yeah and that's it thanks for bringing that he he we asked him and and he said he was pretty adamant that he's dealing with it moving it far away from the bar up into the barn so um saying there's a lot of it he's turning into a compost and putting in gardens and people I guess are using in gardens so did you guys set eyes on where he's he's storing this so we had no piles we had no piles to visually see um he said that he has one horse that does all his maneuvering inside the the bar he has one that does outside um we did see the maneuver in the Corral um I think it's something that we should look into a little further once we get our lines from yeah Brad so then we can go say okay where is we want to see the pile and then we can tape it off I mean if it's real close to his lines then we might say Hey listen we want you to take that off site but let the lines get there first before we start hunting the property I agree is my own opinion yeah I agree okayer yeah you know and keep everything going fair I I think we have a good dialogue with the with the resident and all right I think um think it can be a working relationship yeah at least it's it's moving along great and I actually just so you know I took a little walk further with Brad out of that area and I had him do a couple augers for me and um exactly what I told Jose was stay the hell out of here yeah and he says I have no problems no issue he's actually going to move his equipment a little further out of that area far is um he was saying that he brings hay in that area I asked him not to go in that area anymore with hay uh bring it through the front of you B so he seems like whatever we're going to ask he's going to do so I'm very confident that he is going to he's actually really nervous that this could bankrupt uh put them bankrupt I don't feel we should do that to anybody and I feel if he has to take a little time or whatever but let's wait to hear back from Brad and then we'll walk it again I'm sure once we get the line and then once we get the line then we can explore his yacht a little further and maybe find him a new pile that we don't like and um then address it then yeah yeah I agree I like it I've got uh so one other thing uh so the commission is aware uh Monday at 9:30 we're going out Brad holes um and myself we're going out uh to walk sin carpa um and and take a look at those the the Wetland delineation out there so I'll take a walk with you okay and I try to let people know I know everybody's yeah you know but work I know it works tough yeah you done it it spoils everything um all right good anybody else thank Mark yes I have something Everett what do you got I would just like to inform the commission that I have submitted my letter of resignation from the board because of my physical health I'm not doing a fair job not being up to go out on the sites so as of the end of December I am no longer going to be on the commission but I'll be here for you if you have any questions every I told you I can buy we can get you a drone dude I'm serious like you're going to get bet have now huh it's a done deal you sure I've been thinking about it for a while anyway so ever I'd like to say on behalf of not only the town but of the commission for all your years of service dedication um um and and just the the Complete Care into what you do and have done for this this town this community thank you I can't say enough about ever um my guy should I say takes a big man to make that decision too I respect that decision yeah a l time be a tough seat to fill so what are you going to do now seat to fill tough shoes yeah you're going to have a lot to do every other Wednesday night Moos no nothing with to time so Eric tell us more about this drone that you're going I do work for the election commission also so oh yes he does yeah yeah we were we were joking about getting a side by side for the commission I just I wasn't joking you can say you joking I wasn't joking I already bought one well not one of them I got a four wheel you can take it any time that's no no we I appreciate you I I totally understand it's uh it's not it's not fair to the people whose property that was supposed to be assessing not to be able I mean like this week was good because could drive right in right didn't have to walk really far but like even though I know like White's property I'm not out there in the field so yeah you don't really know what we're seeing well still expect phone calls when they right definitely I'll probably drop in anyway to listen to the meetings I you oh boy he dat your name said he was retiring now come on you don't got to go to the podium ever um all right well you just ruined my night didn't uh no I appreciate you it's it's okay you gave me this awesome hat last week he was for my kids I said I'm keeping it he's my guy um all right future business next meeting of the Conservation Commission will be on November 13th 2024 meeting held at the town hall meeting room right here at 122 Main Street chush Mass I'll entertain a motion to adjourn motion to adjourn second all those in favor I [Music] la [Music]