##VIDEO ID:TLNenbLn5eA## [Music] second first thing we have is the minutes from September 26th this I'll make a motion to accept the meetings the minutes so mail no appointments f 25 date you go to your forecast actual spreadsheet the um I think we um went over October um so our forecast for October was 20 uh roughly 202 and we came in at 2113 last year we did 2113 um and for November which is a combination November December we have forecasts at 106 and with not much time left we are at uh 1:30 as of right now so we got that one beat um obviously the weather's changed temperatures have changed so demand is diminished um but we're holding on and looking to at this point um get whatever's left of any decent weather and then sell any season passes to move into uh spring so say the weather is going to go back to 50 yeah I think this Tuesday seem to be the hot day that everybody wants to play on so we'll see what happens on Tuesday course it's the day I want to spray always works another 24,000 projection yes so roughly 150 get a DAT aead of projection y holding on I mean Steve will tell you there's a decent day the bodies are there and they're itching to go so it's a typical Frost depends like 10:30 11:30 depends um lately it's been 10 10:30 because it's been the ground has actually gotten cold now so the fra Frost is hanging around and if something doesn't hit something it'll be there all day right um the the the typical was about 9 9:30 before before the beginning of this week and past weekends we were about we were about that try to send the Walkers off first keep the carts on the path for five or six holes until it finally warmed up but uh that's usually about what it is um but when the nighttime temperatures are down in the in the high te and low 20s it's not going to go anywhere for you know sun doesn't come up now till 7:30 to 8 it's going to take right so we are almost time to close right well yeah um you know I ijust the position is the Trail of the pipes so I mean at some point soon as we hit that sub freezing your pipes will freeze I we got the water dripping now we they had forecasted this week to be at 18 with an U an Alberta Clipper coming through but we ended up sitting up a little bit warmer than that um so the pipes haven't Frozen and we've been allowed allowed to play a little bit but um the the play has diminished significantly in the past seven eight days yeah I don't think you're going to get anything past the 15th to no we get to that point and people start think Christmas presents am I going to spend money on golf or am I going to buy some gifts so that's where the wife and the kids went that one week well have been spoiled by the past years oh absolutely absolutely even October October I mean um the the weather was uh what it was just shy 80° for two and a half weeks like you question on in refrigeration what's that any other questions on the revenue no no the the only thing is that our our plan seems to be changing a little bit we we would have a car forecast of 151,000 D you were looking into that to find out yeah we I uh discussed that with you the the uh online online bookings when they book and sell online weekends it comes out as one price it goes in as a golf day it doesn't have a separation when we call so you can't tell what our correct but you get you get the the full fee as one price for golf on the weekend and if it's called in and we book it it goes in and registers as Golf and C so so somehow we need to take a look at that when we forecast yeah um I mean as you're going to see as if that's the way that the the system U is programmed and and the way that it calculates you will see as more internet bookings take place uh less carts being charged and more fees being earned so sometime we got we got to figure out how to a percentage of what it istim that and the second one is Passover in October was way down yes uh passes were out of stock uh there was a processing issue with the production of the passes so um basically books yes the past books so those were on basically hold until we got them last week and then uh as you can see on actually it's not there but uh I gave Ed the report for no uh the current November uh it was about 19 ,000 in November for season passes as people get closer to the end of the year you're still going to see people coming and buying the passes because they want to avoid the upcharge on the increase in rates for next season so we need to keep keep a close look at the inventory of books we which I got to be honest the that hold over is not a bad thing for us because you got rack rates for the people that ran out of passes and it kind of puts that demand perspective on the customer to say listen it does say on the sign limited issue it's not you can't buy these passes eternally and infinitively it's there is a limited amount and at some point we will have to corre we set correct that's exactly where I was going but if we are out of them can you sell them anyway you can't you got to have the book you got to register it U with the town hall what the book number is so that they can count them as they come in so it's accounting practices accurate accounting practices so I think I mean all in all I think it it it's not a good thing to have it but it actually works to our advantage to show that the principles up until this time you could have bought them forever because we didn't have the demand and since we've been watching it it's been about 12% for the last 10 years so we need to be careful yes depending on what our price increases occurs in differential and we had this discussed pre uh preseason I was having Twilight guys starting to buy passes so that's part of the rate increase when we look at them I've repositioned the pricing so that everything is laid out the way that it used to be and you won't have any passholders buying passes now because um all all the prices are in step processes your your season pass shouldn't shouldn't be a better bargain um than your t any of your rates regular rates the best rate in town is the resident rate and then we step forward from there and and move forward so I just kind of put everything in sync again this is you look at it you see it we can amend it change it whatever but um we can walk through last year we were up through November we were up more than 150,000 consider I don't remember um uh for forecast and actual yes so we're down with the weather obviously hot weather cold weather it's it's uh I'd have to go in and actually pull the the the calculations for the rounds and the months so that they matched up I did it just for the revenues versus last year last year's Point yes well I was going to go against last year's actuals and just tally them up and see where we were at um and get a total but I mean you can eyeball them right now and it's it's relatively close you're ahead last yes vers each in each months versus plan all right yeah you're up about four 400 uh 200 rounds about well even if you look at it if you compare the the actual looking at the actual if you look at the actual you're still if you look at um the winners uh September that that jumps it up it covers all the other uh variances still round still 250 yeah so the the man again is still there with the uh the competition that's out there has the place in great shape again we're priced accordingly nobody is making the Right Moves In Their operations whether it's maintenance wise or pricing wise or product wise or service wise to to come at us head-to-head at this point so we're in a good good position and I I was going to say this later but I'll say it now we started out in last place when we came into the business and we have now the market leader we did the unthinkable we did the unachievable because nobody comes in and breaks into a market and becomes the market and we did it um pretty quickly something that leads us right into the next item which just proposed uh rate increases for next year yes so I mean I just kind of put this out there um you don't have to approve it today but we de start digesting the numbers taking a look at it and my thought process uh was pricing checking the the rates through the season and see where we were at and how much other people really got after the uh sticky inflation uh and increase their rates we we priced ourselves accordingly as we always do and that's what creates part of our demand along with the conditions of the course so with that in mind uh I think we wenton at $5 last year the proposal was to go $5 again this year other courses were going up eight 12 even more than that Allandale weekdays were 100 weekends are 113 they're gouging their customers they're hurting themselves um I don't suggest that we do that but we should be mindful of our place in the market and maintain our spot uh as we've done in the past with a little bit of mindset that we are moving forward we are growing the business and we are working our way to a uh a better product as the ngf described we want to go to the next level well you can't just jump when we get to that point you can't just jump one time you have to start leading and edging your way there so this is one of those steps in that uh process What charges now for they were doing $100 on the weekday and 113 on the weekend they they will be they're doing like surge pricing it's crazy it's like if there's like high demand I saw it up to 120 bucks get to play changes just like that yeah yep you call 5 days out could be 90 bucks you walk into the door and go to pay boy that doesn't make sense at all no they Golf Now tried talking me into doing the surge pricing and I was like that is not a business principle or practice that we want to follow that that sounds to me like price gouging to your customers it's not customer friendly it's not rmo I'm not interested and then they tried to tell me you know how much money you're leaving on the table blah blah blah and we've always had the discussion in the mindset it's not a $100 customer on the spot it's a lifetime customer for 20 years coming in repeatedly bu pass all the books doing your routings at our place and being a two to three time regular aage golf from a Kush River Valley and Steve provides a product that is uh consistent um 10 times more consistent than all these other golf courses and that's one of the driving factors uh the price doesn't hurt but obviously they come because the product is good so if we gge people we're going to end up um hurting ourselves in the long run and that's I don't think we want to do that to the town I think we done a great job thus far and being somewhat conservative in our approach that's silly it's like going on to buy something and you pick it up and you go to the register register is five bucks more than what price would be just foolish I don't I don't I don't get that so and supposedly I heard from all there switching out of there this soft I think they're on their third software package um over there so um uh yeah and actually I didn't have that on my agenda but that was one of the things I wanted to address we have an opportunity to get Lori handerhan who was ju's right-hand woman uh in the Pro Shop she's fill out I've submitted two applications uh for our Pro Shop and you know I handpick my people and they stay for 20 years Steve has two or three of my guys that I employed 20 years ago this they actually employed initially when the course open yeah we want this woman we this is the person we want working in our shop they just Lor hand to hand they um didn't give her the appropriate professional uh courtesy and treatment from Allendale she worked at the back n with juy for quite a few years and then when he jumped Shi to Allendale he pulled her over there she was working with him again he went out on injury they were um not handling her appropriately and I put bugin area we'd love to have you and so that the one that I met there was there that was a small yes yep that's right she talk yep sweet sweet person good PR good customer service shop minimal training knows how to do the tournament already tournament setup everything so she's a plug-and play person if if I if I own this golf course I would have hired her on the spot so we're all um waiting to get back from the selectman and Jamie so somebody wants to fire an inquiry I'd love to happen we've been trying to get to add somebody you know for a while now we got some interested my thing was to get her in two or three weeks ago so I could train her on the system before we Clos sh but well it it it should be pretty easy because if I remember right there's a section or something that was entered into our budget Yes actually you know you're our budget but you're a portion of the budget for someone capable of doing that so they intended to do it anyway so it should a fulltime position you won't be fulltime even even if she definitely seasonal and even if she's not full-time I still want her as a goto in the shop she's definitely one you want to keep start the process application's in resume in phone calls been made Wai to hear back yeah when's that going to happen I don't know wow um getting head over here we didn't you didn't get anything on that did you no well you guys you guys have more control of the the propane than Dana and I do so you need to speak with the uh you know turn the that hours to be because we're just lowly and please nice to get it done like tomorrow they have they have all the paperwork that's part of the problem I even have her path for filled out ready to go the Selectmen have it the Tre you don't have the paperwor they have copies of everything it's on J supposed to start here first um the last what five or six people I've submitted to them and then had been hired right right from there so it eliminated a step and it was moving rather quickly this seems to be a hold up on this one so they they've got you know I'm they've got changing like the weather I was going to bring it tonight I they've got some issues weeks mon if you swing by tomorrow I'll I'll have it at the shop if you want I'll give it to you on the weekend I mean the daa system and this always changing you ain't lying I got more forms to fill out forms of other forms with the same information form for the we have this rates for the next year right so essentially five I see a couple fours in there look like the pass books essentially $7 around because we got to get you know how we did those every other year well they were they had fall behind and they got caught up in that inflation jump on everybody so they were really far behind it's been like a last few years yes and and I've been seeing unfamiliar faces coming in buying some pass books so I'm like we got to get that back at step and this does that that's still a nice discount looking at the per round that's why I put that there yeah look at the pro pass and both of them it's like 20% if not um it's right around that ballpack it's a decent price shouldn't should be more than that you know what I mean shouldn't be getting like a 35 40% discount so what what kind of a discount is it it's in the it's in the 20 range the numbers are right there your your uh your week 55 your weekend's going to be 80 bucks and your pro pass 40 is going to be 55 bucks so that's to steal to steal 25 it's a good deal if you're taking the difference you're close to 30% the difference between the two prices divide by the high price right so there's even room on that in the upcoming years as we progress I mean again right we don't we want to bite big a bite I know I know but we're doing 36,000 rounds MH that's kind of where we want to be in my mind right even though they're the national go same 39 39 and then 44 once we to the club housee and I'm like where the hell is that coming from well it's not we did 42,000 in Co that's a different situation Club closed and nothing but a window so that's in order to increase your rounds you're not going to do it by staying open all year you're going to do it by attracting different people who are going to play at different times because our peak times are full now anyway well eventually what we would have to is and that's the 36,000 we we would have to do what what I've generally done on Wednesdays and Fridays when the League's Walked Away We Go full sheet right on that day up until the league and now you get an extra two and a half hours of rounds same thing on a Friday that adds like I think it was like 35,000 $30,000 a year on both those days so when a leak Le Tuesday the point to we need leaks well you don't now but in a dry part of the of the um the cycle of golf They they're Gods because they show up and I I'd be curious I think the leagues also cater to local people quite a bit too you don't want to you still want to keep your that yeah yeah a lot of them this leag that lro League they come from all over the place right they're just not local they come all the way from rhod Island yeah how many people he guys like 98 80 guys get the biggest Le we they're all not local quite a few do we have a projected based on each increase for our total um it about a [Music] 188k 188,000 if you uh if you punch in those rates on the rounds that we have about 18 188,000 more addition in addition you're it's small but you can have that one in I'll redo it and B the print I my printer was broke I just got it fixed today just said so what's what's that number coming to 188,000 on top of on top of what your current yeah whatever your current sales your current revenues would be at 2.2 roughly 88,000 more expenses roughly roughly not sure you want to challenge that so this is another thing I want to point out too is and Manny mentioned it before before the meeting meeting start we had some great weather and this weather has been good for years now we we've had Seasons when we were knocked out for three weeks at a time with rain eventually we're going to get hit and if I for cast keeps going up and you don't make the 300,000 that you have booked for that month there's no coming back and we've said this before you lose a day it's gone there's there's no comeback on it so fun how that works we've well we've always been we've been conservative not only on our pricing but we've been conservative on our forecasting it appears that we're getting more aggressive on our forecasting and you know how I feel about that I've stated my our case we've had multiple uh discussions over the years in the Pro Shop at on Whose number where we going to go from here and and my my feeling has always been be conservative leave your room to achieve the number but don't forecast it because if you spend it and and we hit a covid year I know hypothetically that's where when the National Golf Foundation start to predict 39,000 rounds and 44,000 rounds I'm like I could put 39,000 rounds through there yeah right I could you yeah you could I know you don't want it but I could get it through there close the club out open the window mask on everybody put Stu by the first hole was at the gbo there's an idea well I'm just saying conservative the way cut some more trees and make some more area because golf carts are beating a snot out of you already gets back to the mix of what we want to be how much we want of just pure business versus outings leads whatever just finding the right balance for us God is at the max number they think we could do if we changed our model right we're going to do what's best for us yes you know what Dave I think we're very close or not at our I think so Point yeah and unfortunately if you go too far past that point you're going to have a certain population of people that you've always had come going unsatisfied because of time because they can't get a tea time or something like that we already hear that pretty close to that guys I know tech savvy and don't book online cuz if you book online you can book at 9:00 the night before but if you're calling if you can't if you just show up I'm turning you back to the pocket lot that happens now back in the day Steve would tell you I wouldn't turn away Andrew would tell you I we wouldn't turn away anybody anybody who came would play golf but just don't have to space anymore you don't have the time it's a good thing it's a great thing but kind of yeah got alter all those years Chas kind of a good thing when you got $2.7 million with the the the thir maintenance that needs to be turned around yeah one step at a time you do one project at a time sign pick them up so the first draft of potential Revenue we lead us right into the next thing first draft of budget operations next year so I just kind of went over this real quick because the meeting kind of just just popped up yes um that's a rough first goal of the number and uh again much like the rates we can modify that but at least we have um a plan to start with and as well as I like I said uh before I'll meet up with Steve this week we'll uh collaborate and fill in our columns and put them in together so we can have a final number for um for presentation these I don't have any significant increases in in my budget these call are the top to St by that be 25 and 26 yes yes this the well it's the I think it's the numeric year Asos correct so what you see for mine did the same 2024 is the expensive budget we have now 2025 is new although you know there are some the um the only thing is if I mean if you if you went down at uh the rentals I put on the note on it that looks like it jumps up but that's that's the golf now uh price that's where our budget is um yes it's yep yeah $1,000 a month so that adds basically 12 12 Grand to it um Golf Shop boost it up a little bit we are with the cost of goods going up in inflation We have basically basic impulse items I don't have any filling stuff I don't have sweatshirts I don't have um rain gear uh so I have a m a multitude of things in gaps that I need to fill in but we haven't had the money cuz right right now I don't have any golf balls in the shop was sold out cu it's that time of year and I'm not going to reload but in in managing the items you have to have golf balls you have to have hats so that and you have to have gloves so that's what I go with and then I try to use the money and put it in spots to fill gaps at certain times um so basically I'm increasing that number to get some more stuff in the shop to sell with our logo and it's not like you're going to burn it because you're going to earn Keystone on it so if it costs 40 bucks you're going to make 40 bucks so it's not like you're throwing a wedding it's a it's an opportunity to grow uh revenues and if if I hit a spot and I don't need it I don't spend at all I just spend what I need to this the cart golf cart Lees cor I believe that's up to date with the current leases and and the maintenance we were at um 42 what is it 42 18 and 14 was our numbers I don't I forgot my phone on the car and then 7,000 for the maintenance is that right yes service me now that's lower than what our current budget total uh for the FY 25 this is FY 26 right it should match this this year's number is accurate so it should match that number like I said we announced this meeting uh three days ago so I've kind of been getting some stuff ready we had we we had a budget then there were some changes made um recommended by the board of selectman but um uh golf cart leases and service contract was 85350 and then um equipment lease was 109,000 capital projects was 37,000 80 that was yeah and then they had given us some proposals on indirect costs I didn't put those in mind cuz I wasn't sure where that was falling um we're sitting on our budget right now see now the the the confusing part is that all the numbers that were provided to us with the changes that the board of Select wanted to see they don't appear on the month-to-date budgets because I don't know if it's because cash or whatever hasn't been certified but normally in the month monthly budgets that we get monthly budget reconciliation forms it will list the original budget yes what's spent in the original and what's left the original is not in there yet and this is you have so I stuck you know what I think there's anybody to talk to so you kind think everybody left well for my you know for my you know I got that same phone call for my budget tracking I stuck the numbers that they gave us in there and I mean you got 22,900 for salaries clerical which that hasn't been touched that hasn't been touched yet no so that's a Buffa Zone you and we have um you know the fridge benefits I I called the I called the town hall to ask about that they they they're not going to know what the impact is Insurance wise until almost the end of the year so there's no um no way to uh to influence influence that or to you know to so so our next meeting we'll try to get a closer field to where we were but I don't know if you noticed the on their copy too they had the treasure collector was going up from 5700 to 88,200 8 88,200 how is that going to fly you got guys that work here we can't get a pay raise but we're going to give them 50% jump out of our budget well that's supposed to be the number that's in the budget now it was I believe yeah no I mean I don't think that was no but that wasn't that wasn't presented to the finance committee for approval and that wasn't presented to you guys for approval either no that was what they that was done after what they did is the you know the the board of selectman and Town Administrator sat down after and looked at the budget and of course you know they had to make some changes for insurance because that was going to change and they also had to make Not only was not well I should say fringe benefits first but also Insurance because they felt that our insurance value was was relatively low so they bumped that up to 325 and you know we we decrease the telephone um but they added they added the health insurance for uh 138 and then took General Insurance from 35 to 32 and the other thing you had to do is throw Medicare in there because now they chargeing Medicare and there's a budgeted figure in there of 11 11,325 for Medicare and we've um where is it so so far meing with Jamie to go over this he hasn't requested that yet I'm going to sit down with Steve we're going to put our eggs in the same basket get our number squared away and then we'll see what he wants to do with his side of the budget and then we can all sit down does he have a schedule as to when we I don't believe I haven't heard haven't heard we we there has not been a memorandum sent out to department heads in regards to necessity time for thought I thought just took me off too no no I hav I haven't seen yet I mean we're sitting right now I don't think anybody's in the office to send out the emails I don't have October's number October number in there from from uh Medicare Medicaid or whatever it is but we we spent about $3,000 on we might have to put a line item to hire an account we had account we had an accountant we had had we don't have an accountant left he works for Lakeville now you ain't going to catch him unless you go to Lille to meet him yeah so I can um I believe I believe I now you can't quote me on this I believe he may be you know I don't want to get in trouble with anybody may be here part-time but you know from from indications over in Lakeville he started over therey um yeah I don't know if you're going get Judy back I think Judy's you know enjoying retirement I guess she her plan was to train the new guy and yeah right I'm out that was the um she trained him and then they both what out that's that's we just based is here for us time for Ste spray machine that's been a while that all right gentlemen have to you have a prior engagement for this evening by all means I'll watch us on YouTube catch up with what Steve's got and then um I'll reconvene with Ed with an application for Miss Lori Hanahan and Steve on the budget and um we'll catch up on the details if V than pops up by all means reach out to thank you I did have a little speech in my thing to write up to thank our uh employees and our customers for a small summary reiteration of the ngf if anybody missed that BOS meeting um but um basically was thanking our staff who are the warriors in carrying the torch and getting all our work done and our patrons our loyal patrons our passholders as well as our outings so that we can meet our financial obligations for the town um and still provide a uh be a pillar in the community for everybody to enjoy so thank your time gentl all of it too happy holiday Merry Christmas Merry Christmas yes thanks so um Andre you probably weren't um on board when I when I indicated everybody uh the cost of rehabilitating our Smith Co spray I got that email huh I sent emails out oh you did yes um but any the cost that Smith that mte gave us to renovat our Smith post prayer was approximately $72,000 parts and labor approximately 9,000 800 on labor 61,000 in change on parts and $100 on miscellaneous which probably disposal of fluids or something um to me that doesn't make much sense to do when you're looking at the cost of the brand new 300g sprayer from tur products for 75,4 I mean you're talking $3,000 difference I think the guy is not that give you that quote well I personally think he gave us that quote because you know be quite hon I mean just my opinion but I'm thinking he doesn't want to do the work is there anybody else out there on this this nation that will do that I don't know not Mt you know and I've asked this for several years now because I'm not a huge fan of mte mte is the licensed Smith code distributor in this part of the country so and I talk to the people at smithco because I like I told well I'll buy it from you direct now you have to go through blah blah blah same thing get fixed I mean I don't know I mean you could say you could ask Smith I don't think Smith is going to take it and have it sent to their Factory and have have you redo something on the machine that's an English machine Smith C no no well it's it's it's it's American made machine but I don't I'm not exactly where Smith Smith I think is in at Pennsylvania I'm not sure um still uh so the Touro uh the uh the Touro is 58 they call 5800 multipro is sitting down in Enfield right now he called me up last week and he said uh he said it's down there they're going to start assembling it and I said you know you got to wait so you know they got plenty of other stuff to assemble so I told we had to wait so we discuss at this meeting and then the discussion from this meeting has to go to board selection before we move and I mean the only I'm not going to try to belabor the point of the value of the machine because this machine is not only well these sprayers are not only for application of pesticides but also application of wedding agents application of liquid fertility products and if we're talking about continuing to bank out 35 36,000 rounds we need to have two Dependable machines that we can get things done um and not be out there spraying when golf balls are bouncing off the front of the machine which is technically against the law because golfers aren't supposed to be on playing surface until the material dries in leaf blade right which means I I have to be out there at 5:00 and 5:30 with two machines behind mes so we have that opportunity actually behind lowers and blowers so we don't have spray C and the older Smith Co is 12 years old yes we picked that that was delivered in November of 2011 and it broke down already and we spent 8,000 yeah we had a problem with the um back uh one of the uh I don't want to call it a brake shoot because it's not what it is but they have they have a rear braking system on both the back wheels when you get you know um there is no brake on the machine when you get off the machine brake system locks in place well we the problem we had was is the braking system locked in place where it was being operated and basically what that meant was that we had to take apart the cylinder the cylinder leaked we got a small kit put it back together it it worked for about a week and a half then it started the week again and we had to we had to replace the whole part when we called them they said you're probably going to end up replacing the part because the the kits don't normally hold this an intricate part with you know um and it's it's better factored maybe was trying to trying to put right now it's functioning well right now it's working I mean the only the problem experiencing with it now the the controller um doesn't work in in What's called the master switch mode there's a switch for for each boom and then there's a master switch that operates all three booms at the same time master switch isn't working so what I have to do when I operate is I have to manually engage and disengage the three switches fix the master switch um it sounds we're going to keep pouring money into this thing well that's the thing once they get to a certain age that's what you do um and you're the other thing the other problem with it is when you do turn off the Booms The nozzles continue to drip and what that means is there's a seal set up there's there's three electric valves on the side of the machine when you flip that switch it sends electrical impulse to that valve to open up and when you turn that switch off the impulse is supposed to close it well after doing that for I don't know 13 years the seals and everything else inside of those electric valves worn out so instead of closing right away it doesn't and you get drip drip drip drip drip and then you know so you are you wasting a significant quantity material no but you're putting material basically where you don't want it and over time you are going to be wasting a decent amount of material plus it you know it drips on the cart path and you know it looks unsightly in places um the master switch unfortunately again you're 13 years old so uh rain or uh Raven controller have been upgraded so they don't make the controller that we have on the sprayer anymore so you'd have to get a new Raven controller um which probably runs somewhere in the neighborhood of I don't know, 1500 to two grand depending on which one you get so so if we decided to keep Smith Co we still have two sprayers you still have two of them yeah but you have one that is not Smith go is a primary spray for Greens Greens colls and approaches the John Deere we use primarily for Fairways and teas and and the reason that being is because in certain circumstances when we you know if I need to spray greens cars and approaches and we need to spray teas at the same time both Kevin and I are out machines at the same time Fairway wise if we're going to get them done in any reasonable amount of time which usually is a day and a half as opposed to three or four days then both he and I have to be out with both both tanks at the same time if if we told Toro to pass what happens you're waiting another uh this machine was um ordered in 2023 right so you're waiting another year or you're back you're at the end of the queue and if you remember and um when we decide to upgrade the John Deere we had a Toro sprayer ordered at that time and I told them uh sorry we're not taking right and they weren't too happy about that so um you know we go with this Toro we still have the third that Smith Co well Smith is going to get traded in and we get traded in yeah you trade in'll take it to auction you know he's right now he's got the serial number you know the hours all that good stuff I sent him you know a series of pictures and he's working on what a trading value is if he if they don't have a trade in value a certain uh amount they'll take it to auction to yes now if we're going to take them to auction and it's not operating not going to get anything for it right would it be worth keeping it as backup or no well well I yeah it could be worth something to us to backup but can I park it in your house I've got no place to put you know if you can make a road from your house back into rental fee for property sure I mean there's no other place that we can have this one somebody else apprais it what would CA to Remar to I don't think today you want to get I do I do not know I mean I can't send this to Finch because Finch is John Deere they're not going to touch it right I can't send it to Toro because they're just going to laugh at you they don't want to have anything to do with it who did the last one huh who who picks the last one who who that was fish because that was a John Deere piece of equipment so they took a John Deere piece of equipment and put a John Deere renovation Parts on it right I can't send a Smith Co I mean Finch doesn't sell Smith Co Toro doesn't sell Smith Co um AOK Turf doesn't sell Smith Co um the baron is people who we got the little sleeper F don't sell it you have to go back to the smithco distributor to get it fixed because you're not going to get the same Parts you're just not you know it's not going to work Bist don't have a spray up huh barness they don't make a spray up I don't know I hadn't looked into whether or not they make one or not I talked Bob Barrow he didn't he didn't indicate that they did because he was the one I was actually he's our AOK Turf distributor I mean there's other companies out there that make that make sprayers that aren't brand named sprayers but you're going to be sitting here waiting another 12 months when you got this one sitting in front of you for you know 75450 car was 13 years old it was 4 years old and I needed repair probably fix it 13 years old but we just the technology got got to be oh yeah well the the Technology's changed but also I mean this is a this is a basic sprayer you don't want to see what the spray a cost with the GPS system on you're talking almost ,000 bucks 92 and change and that doesn't count having to get the subscription for you allow allow you to use a GP Steve let me ask you a question when you work for valy Christ how many sprays you had just one why we have three huh you have two no you want you want to be the honest truth because valy Crest are too cheap to give me to wellow and I think a going in that direction they don't have any money it's that a cushion it that doesn't have money Manny we have money and as you've heard from your National Golf Foundation people and others you have to keep it up if you don't want to get it then I'll limp along with the the the smithco but don't come to me when pythium hits your greens and they all turn black and I've got nothing to spray with except a backpack sprayer where I'm sitting out there at 5:00 in the morning and I pull up to one green and you know then the machine doesn't function I got $4,000 of material the tank and absolutely nothing to do with it because the machine won't move let me ask you when you had one and you had that same problem would you do what did I do well I didn't I didn't do it so why but I no I never I never had that problem with the one because if you if you remember Valley Crest SL environmental golf was only here for four and a half 5 years and it was a brand new sprayer at the time and last year when when the origin when the existing John Deere sprayer went down it went down with 3/4 of a tank material in it which I had to pump into the smithco so I could spray it if I didn't have the smithco then I've got you know 255 gallons of hazardous waste that I can't do anything with until the sprayer gets fixed now you know I I'm not going to you know I'm getting to the point now I'm getting too old to argue this is the smart thing to do if you want to do it do it if you don't want to do it then that's fine with me but I you know I'll do the best I can to get by what I've got but this is a much smarter decision than the consequences of not moving forward on a newer piece of equipment of this type so what Ed you would know Steve so what say we want to do this what funding like how would we afford to do it right now today like do we have access to this money left in the articles that have equipment in there well you have one article that's got about $100,000 in it um you had a second article that was supposedly going to be offered at the last town meeting but it wasn't put in and it could still be used at the Springtown meeting I mean as it is now I wouldn't you know I wouldn't recommend you know getting this until March you know delivery until March or April anyway right but we'd be committing to this I just want to know we'd have a plan get yeah sure and I mean plus my recommendations would be a high that way we can space it out on our budget and still keep a part of Reserve we have for whatever we need to deal with we got 1.8 million and we got deferred maintenance of about 2.7 million and I think we need to keep that until we get us playing together to keep the upgrading all the things we need to upgrade we got $400,000 worth of car pads that needs to be fixed you heard National Golf Foundation said people don't want to drive on our our car car paths did uh Stephen did you look into all these at all yeah all right what's that for you have two options okay it's a dollar buyout lease that you can go a single a monthly payment 12 months out of the year for 60 months that would cost 9,720 bucks if you did the other option which is the same type of lease but you make a single annual payment of 17540 then the total cost would be $87,700 after after 5 years and new it's what 78 75 new right this is this price is held over keep Le to extend it up years and this machine properly taken care of way last at least 10 years 13 get 10 I mean well I go with at least I you know the second one you mentioned yeah right yeah the one the annual payment and get the uh interest yeah yeah you know and the thing that people realize about this is I mean people make comments about the condition you know the improved conditions of Fairways and other things well portion of the approved condition of the fairways is that we've with the two sprayers properly functioning we can go out there and use Liquid fertility products on our Fairways in the windows between granular products which is going to extend the health we can also get wedding agents out we can also get other things like uh you know seaweed extracts out extracts out on the fairways which are going to help see something get us something quick yeah and we can get it we can get it done I mean I was in here you know the days of me coming in here at 4:00 and spraying with the other machine so I can get the fairways done in two days are over at least for me you know and uh you know there's just not enough there's not enough time in the day to do that and and really you know it's not the safest thing in the world to do and I can't do it on days that I'm irrigating these irrigation system shuts off at 4:30 so so does anyone you want to make a motion to go ahead with a 5e lease on this I'll make that motion second second second have any other questions for for the payment the second second yeah for 5 Le yeah it was what 807 700 1,540 month me a year one one p so weor oppos are abstaining man oppose I oppose four1 we worked in too many things at one time there not enough money to do that they want to build a clubhouse which is needed is going to go is is worse than all the other prayers our our clubhouse and uh we want to build a a new Clubhouse they don't play golf in and well but you you do the advantage you you you have to book in the clubhouse and you can make money with it I mean I I just I am my like I said I'm just giving you the recommendations of what you need to do to keep yourself I just don't think that is nobody out there they can replace and fix this spray for the same the same way we fixed the last one I mean I have I have stopes and stuff now that are 30 years old and that we bought brand new new and we have a mechanic that comes in and fixes when it needs to be fixed and they still run it and down there we have a friend I mean I don't know if they take care of it or not but they got a an oven over there that we bought brand new uh man I mean I I can I can buy $62,000 worth of parts and have Norm do it and that's the only thing that he's going to be able to do the entire winter no reels no bearings No seals nothing that's the thing but I don't know see I can go the Mt you know I don't know I mean maybe you know I mean I can't call up a mechanic and say hey guess what here's the sprayer you order the parts from mte I'll pay for and put it together I mean it's like fixing Cals and other things is shops all over the place I mean I understand I I don't know if you did a a re a search see if there's not shops all over the place to fix Turf Equipment I mean shops all over the place to fix cars yeah because cars have been something that people have been fixing for a hundred years and you've got small shops big shops dealerships whatsoever now drive down Drive do where do you see the Turf Equipment distributor for dealership you don't not on Route Six that's no it's not on Route Six it's not on the auto mile it's not any place like that I just can't understand and I can't see is well you know what just to answer your question I'm going to call AML up tomorrow and ask him if there is anybody else who can fix my Smith Co sprayer besides mte I know what the answer is going to be but I will call him and I will ask him he is the spare Guru for Ed first Smith and he was the one if you remember when we were at a Crossroads he was the one who gave me a price on a 500g spreader 85 Grand right and we didn't have that wasn't in the works at the time so we passed on it but that price he gave me the price but in order for me to get it he would have sent it up to them they would have put it together and then I would have gotten it from them so so what's the next step we need to go before the select yes oh boy get him on Mr I'm sure Mr Gasper and I will have an interesting conversation about this for got it I'm sure and I I know I mean like I said I I've got to the point now where you know um and I've stated this before it's not my golf course it's the town of the cushions and if you want to maintain the golf course at the position you are now and continue to generate the rounds and revenue that you're currently generating then you have to do these how many sprs do you have over there what he's got a little dinky nine hole course how many of how many aces of Fairways do you have I have no idea you have no idea how long how many aces there traps there are we have we have he's got 10 holes he's got 10 holes I bet you I bet you you could take all the te's at that course and all the green and I'll ask Norm because Norm used to be the superintendent over there I bet you could take all the greens over that course and all the te's over at that course and they fit into the 14 Fairway so you go to tell me you have 156,000 feet of greens and I don't know what we have come on you work there John I don't measure I cut I I dig holes what else I clean up I drive equipment digging holes and cleaning up so the bunker RFP finally got that out and back in and got prices on that yes we had one bid on the bunker RFP that came from Weeden feed uh SL DHT golf Services um that bid the total base bid for hes 67 and 10 was 137,000 the ad what they call AD Alternate which would have been the third hole was $53,000 $200,000 so the total if you were to do everything $200,000 for four for you did such a nice strong one too maybe you can you can uh do Dan Dan did all the shaping all we did was you know we helped a little bit Dan did you know with you know in the DPW did the the clean up and the shaping Alas and can't keep guys over there either can't keep guys over there either you know and this is in and I you know it was slightly higher than I thought it would come in at but well man you know what I I want to take all you guys and I'm going to send you out to different golf courses I'm going to send you down to the folks that I just talked with down at the cape about how much their project cost and go and because golf projects are EXP expensive just like anything else this day and age and one of the reasons ours is so expensive because of that wonderful thing called prevailing wage you're right and I agree 100% with that and there's not a bloody thing we can do about it that's K that's a killer it's a killer yeah it is and I mean again unless who can get the DPW to help us that I'm not I'm not going there because the the reason I'm not is because in order to do something like that we have to stop throwing out the DPW can help here to DPW can help there we have to go sit down with the board of Selectmen and get a clear understanding of their ability to assist in any circumstance once we get that then we can go to the person who runs the DPW and ask if we can fit in his schedule somewhere because the man is very busy he gets pulled in 15 different directions and like Andrew said he can't get nobody to work for him neither so I you know I can't commit to them um or and I'm not going to impose on them until I get better Direction about how exactly that's supposed to work um and well that's a good idea that we find that out because I I don't know and every time every time I mean I'm sure there's somebody out there in TV Land watching this right now screaming it to TV that the DPW can't help you because you're an Enterprise fund blah blah blah blah blah blah blah BL blah so I I'm not going to you know I don't want to get in the middle of that I want somebody to tell me how that's supposed to work before we try to move forward in that direction and again if you don't want to do the bunker work that's fine um I mean we want to do it but we can't figure out how to do it so six seven and 10 been all like one six seven and 10 were built together I talk to the I talked to the architect and I talked to other contractors and they said listen I said you're going to want to present this or as part one and part two you divide it all up like that and I'm going to charge you more for what do they call that is that just the green side bunkers huh the seven and 10 just the GRE there's one bunker on the right hand side of six there's the green side bunker on the right hand side of seven there's the 10th hole which is the two bunkers plus the approach is going to be widen and push to the right side and so on and um then there's that whole waste buker thing down there on the on the third hole Yeah right um again these are things that you know if you go up yes we did a decent job on the second hole but if you go up and you stand on the second hole and you look at where the collar comes out and you look how that breaks there isn't a smooth transition there right if you want to have a properly shaped bunker green whatever you need a guy who can shape and this guy has shaped for 40 years so and most of the guy the guys I mean you just did a great project over the country and Drake Drake did that I bet you the job that he did over there just for you guys cost less than this because he didn't you guys didn't they have to playing did we redo number seven a while back number seven no we right all we did on the left hand side of the seven was fill in the uh the bunker we didn't have anybody out there on right I could have sworn there was somebody a shaper or something no we didn't do anything to the right we did 18 it just looks it just looks different because of what they did on yeah I know what did we pay for the 18 buker 10,000 it's a lot Bo in $200,000 for four bunkers the reason you paid that amount is because Brian Noble sat there and said if you can do it for less than 10 grand you can do it and what we what we did and I went to Dan and tibits and who was the shaper and he said yeah I can shakee but that's the only thing I'm going to do I don't get out of the machine yeah so it was him and the Machine it was our labor and our machines that transported material I don't have the labor to do it I really I'm telling you you want I mean I'll take John can come over and help with the labor John is younger than 34s of the guys on my staff in a full time know about that but I don't know are you 80 years old yet no I'm getting there though so um but for that kind of money we can buy you a nice little escavator and U hired a couple of more people and you keep problem you need to hire more people few more people with that 200,000 bucks I can dig a hole but that's not what you want I mean I can you I can do drainage and irrigation all all the time but no I'm not a you know I'm not a guy who can sit there and fed I remember you saying it but I would love to have a back ask of it I could do a lot of things well that's just one of the how many years ago was that oh man I can barely walk right now because with my knee and my handle so you know it makes three I I have to buil if you want you know the fact of the matter is if you want the golf course construction work to be done so it fits in and melds with the rest of your golf course and looks like it belongs there you need professionals to do it this day and age because we go out there we try to do that project it's going to take us two to three times as long and alls you're going to have is a significant number number of pissed off golfers because you got construction all over the place and they can't play around the golf without being interfered with that's the long and short of it so if you think that price is too high and you don't think we can afford it then we won't do it and then you know then you just have to deal with the consequences later on because at some point you are going to have to do it and believe me this time next year it's going to cost more than that and it's going to cost more than that and it's going to cost more than that yeah going to be the ter that going to be impos and all materials and everything cost all that kind of but that's what it is we went I mean we all can Bo our opinions I'm just yeah one here that I I think that's expensive very expensive out of out of our well nobody else was interested in it yeah that's a problem right there well the problem well no the pro a lot of times first of all it might be too small of a project for people right now because they've got business coming out of their you know what the second thing is there's a lot of people out there who do not want to do public work or bit on public work I mean the guy the guy who was uh M MMP golf um what's his name uh Drake the guy just did the work over there he could have easily bit on it didn't want you know didn't want to touch it on us on ours you didn't want to deal with it and the other reason why this guy few on this guy does a lot does and gets a lot of them is because he's done them before and he knows how to fill out the paperwork appropriately there's two or three guys who don't know how to do the the paperwork for municipal bids so they don't bother to do it this guy has done a significant amount of work um over the 40 you know 35 40 something let me do a scenario ask this question question if this was done at a private cost what do you think the adjustment of money would be from there to there I'm just curious I think you probably could shave about uh 20 17 to $20,000 off the top off that price I mean you know I looked at I didn't look over the prevailing wage list completely and I don't want to waste our time but top of the prevailing wage list the first thing on there said a two axle operator whatever the hell that is 65 bucks an hour that's the pay then you have the Medicare and the insurance parts so by the time you were done that guy sitting on that machine is a two axle driver whatever that is $78 an hour prevailing wage yeah so the regular Jo makes it's insane so I mean that's what it is um right now we don't have $137,000 right well you've got $100,000 in an article and you could you know do an article you know I'm just you know you said we have the reserve 100,000 so St you made the comment that it came in a little bit higher than you thought I'm trying I know we did discuss this quite month ago now like what were we thinking going to be I was thinking you're probably going to be in the neighborhood about 110 115 that that you know not knowing the cost of materials not really having any clue about you know um you know nowadays it usually cost between you know with prevailing wage 20 to $30,000 you know and him being the only only one that b he can't even tra his pencil there's no reason to well I mean I'm sure I mean he he's very reasonable person um he's done like I said he's done extensive work oh man he ain't going to cheap himself I mean I would I wouldn't I wouldn't come to your establishment and and expect you to give me a subpar price on the quality of food that you provide I expect to pay a decent amount of money for you stop we back we will everybody else about the same thing the bunkers aren born though I mean I play decent amount of golf so do you and the bunkers the looks and the you don't want to hit the pebbl you want to have nice you want to get consistency out of the bunkers so I mean that's yeah you're going at some point you're going to have to address it so if we don't address it now make them grass [Music] um I'm going to I'm going to say schedule of values I mean you can see the whole you know the pricing structure right there um H pipe um contract time shall be within five weeks of commencement work can commence in the spring anytime after 31st March and or be complete by 27th June or start any time after wow 18 we can do it in the spring you can do it in the spring or he can do it in the fall he would do it um what's the time like well his final completion date would have been in November so I don't have the whole I mean when Tanya made the copies so year a year there's a page missing I mean I'll call Dan I can me bid should be cumulative total for schedule values 11 18 upon notification so b um no I mean I can call him and ask him I mean he called me up Monday and asked me you know how things going because huh actually I had a copy here for you somewhere um actually you could probably take this one and I've got another copy I think I left to sit on my desk but you made two copies and one was for you and one was for me all right so it it comes back down to when you want to do this you know the Spring's kind of like a busy time the Fall's kind of like fall we're not going to do any car paths in the spring I can tell you that Al so what's going to like like where you are I mean they did all the fall work all that work is done in the fall they didn't dare do it in the beginning well they also have the fourball to test they that's they proposed it to do it before the fourball yeah but anyways yeah it it it's just that you don't we meeting last TR thing yeah I don't think he want to start with that I'd rather end with it yeah I mean you could I mean I I'll ask him but the he had two because he had two time frames in there and I think the other was completion around the 15th or the 29th of November yeah well that's fine because we gave we gave we gave them in the we can go for more more funding if we need to yeah well I mean if you you know and this again this is an opportunity you know because the Selectmen have come back to us on occasion and said that your articles are too broad and and not exact while you can give them an exact number uh you know if you went because if I remember right we initially put in an article and they cut it in half to 250 so then 250 you could list there what was what were the important things to to do again I'm just bringing this to your attention because that those are the particular holes that need the most attention buper wise if we do it we do it we don't do it we don't do it that's yes up to you folks um uh me if you think you if you think it's too expensive you could try to go out again I don't think you're going to get any different responses but who knows you [Music] could that's W wage and then it's just what that guy wants to make on top of it no way the only way is to use what we have used in the past how long that's going to last how long we 11 is never going to get approved that you know when there is quote maybe some time where they can do something something like that you know in the past we've been very very lucky with that with Dan and his people very lucky yeah but his time is usually June when he's out of his budget and he can't do any of he's told me that that if we needed you know things done depending on what the winter weather is this is the best time for him to be able to help with things now now yeah because again like Andrew was alluding to he's getting closer to the end of the budget right you don't want to run it out you know and he can come and do work and you know we would pay you know the out you know the the uh payroll for the work done as we did down on eight and materials and stuff um but again you know that's something that needs to be clarified by the select and then discussed I think that's the Avenue that we should Chase is that we should go and see if we can talk to the selectman and um and have him Marin that we probably can get some time from how long do you think this project would take yeah what I was wondering well you have a professional just told you that it was going to take him three months three months so you know you got to finish one whole you not he's not going to go out and do all three at once all three at once so my my thing would be have it done in the fall fall yeah and again that's a professional that's telling you I mean you know that's the other thing he's going to have other projects lined up but the other thing about that is you know he's not going to not show up he's not going to have an emergency water main break in town and be gone for a week and a half you know two weeks or he's not going to have somebody breathing down his next thing you can't work over there go back to the price I mean it's up there but then on the other hand I look at all the money we have accumulate not accumulate but save because of the DPW over time right over all those years so does that give us some flexibility with this you know what I mean does it balance itself out somewhat or are we ahead of the game because of the DPW all the work we've done I would think we have I would I don't see how we couldn't be ahead of the game you know from what we've gotten in the past that's right just look at that quickly I mean real quick math $1,000 worth of material of material their material out or just plain labor stuff so then not that it's not a lot but then it's the other 37 is the equipment in the labor oh yeah so no matter who does it you at 100,000 worth of material in bad pricing regardless yeah there's there are certain you know depending on when they do it there are certain things that we I mean we could help with you know laying side if we want wanted to but then once once you go through this process you know and it's a turnkey with them they're not going to want you doing any work with them no that's their project yeah no we could do that with them but not with them so where do we go we got to put it on the hole until we can figure out how to do well I have to call Dan and ask him how long he's going to hold that you know how long he would hold that pricing structure it's not going to be too much further than than the time that he said he was going to finish in the spring well we'll have an answer by we have an answer by there so we should consider a special article specifically for this work or or if we have several things lined up but then have them lined up kind of itemized so instead of saying was making this up you $250,000 for work it's 137,000 for this it's $22,000 for that right or specific in article to repair bunkers for 137,000 yeah either way saying but if we had a couple things that we come across we want to do car path and we know we need $25,000 worth of basetball saying we put it all into one and so just kind of itemize where exactly where that total came from but it looks like we be moving towards a special town meeting article in this spr right we'd have to or if it's at the same right a special art maybe not a special town meeting but a special article or separate article I should say at town meeting which by not having the time frame of this pfile to get anything submitted and only having two Town meetings a year unfortunately got the opportunity to soide for this spring be able to fund it it would be good to know we you know one how long is it going to hold this pricing for two you never know until they take the vote are we going to have the backing of the selection to do this project if we wanted to right we say yeah Don we want to do it we just need to wait till town meeting to officially have the funding to then give you the official official go ahead to do the th the fall if between now and then we're not going to have support the other powers that be stuff so it's but at least now that we have this I think we can go to them and say okay this would be something that would go specifically on an article coming up you know at the annual town meeting so when would we do that next round of budgets probably the right as we're going into budget stuff now right I would think or I mean I don't want to wait too long we got I know that's what we need do we need to put it on the I would say so especially since we have the actual P I think so yes next meeting is 17th I believe I don't I don't know how how much we want for the 17 but I mean even if it doesn't necessarily have to be in a week but I think within the next couple meetings if we can ask them you know through Jamie whoever they what would be a good meeting in the next couple on coming up to put this on there for them to look at when when we when we had the bid opening he said that he said the third and the 17th okay obviously the third was far too short in time but I will ask him take us 17 even asking for a vot for just present the billing to them and saying at this point we would't be able to fund it until the spring town meeting but do we at least in theory have that support for doing so then we can talk with d and say this is the path we want to go I think but we couldn't tell you officially until the funding's at hand yeah all right so I guess that's the root of that so emergency access at whole number eight I know you sent an email out about yeah I just wanted to bring this up to everybody's attention um when we did we part of the work to um redo the car path down on that hole was to provide such that type of access so if we did have an emergency down there on seven seventh green eighth hole 10th green 11th we could come right through that back entrance so well you know right now there's a bunch of rocks in there and the only way you're going to get anybody in there other than push a gurnie down there by hand is to have somebody on call with a machine and come running down there it's not going to work which isn't going to work so my idea my thought was to consider putting up the gate on our property now I'm not going to stir a pot but when we had that survey the property corner right for our property was on the other side of that street or that entryway surveyor didn't put it in because he didn't want to ruffle anybody's feathers he and I talked about it I said it's not necessary to do that we just know this is so he didn't put in that corner right so and really I can't see why we'd have a significant argument from the neighbor just because the gate is actually going to keep out you know it'll keep golf carts over here um I think some before the Rocks were even put in there somebody happened to drive down his Road Golf Cart probably you know rightfully so irritating man so um but the go obviously I mean we can put any type of gate we want to our property so I mean it wouldn't be a it wouldn't be you know it basically kind of be similar to the front gate I mean you can even make it look like a you know a uh a farm gate um it's just a question of having something like that there so if an emergency vehicle does have to come down they can cut right through that's the man doesn't have the right to that piece of land right I mean that street I don't believe so no um that's something that would have to be um questioned through the uh the assessors and and get that squared out you know it may have to be you may have to get the whole thing surveyed just to make sure where it all is so we can add somewhere yeah I mean yeah I mean you you there's if you look at that ex there's the right hand side yeah um I mean it goes up in the slope so you could come off of those rocks by about I'd say four or five feet anyway and you're definitely on your property you dead end the gate into the slope then you bring the gate across and you dead end it into the other slope I mean you know I've got some um you know I I'm not going to mention it but I have some questions about where the property line is down there on that hole in relation to um the appearance of certain aspects of that hole um so you know so we can and again I mean it's it's not anything obtrusive it's just something there that functions to keep people off of his property but also allows an emergency vehicle to come down through there and have significantly better access than it would have if it had to go through the parking lot come down the ninth hole or something like that and it does provide access all I mean you can drive the emergency vehicle all the way you know to the sth green you could drive to the 10th green you could drive all the way over to the 11th 11th grade any problem I thought that when we decide to to come in through the and the guy across the street posed a little bit about that being open you know that we were going to make a normal you know interest from there but if we I know I mean this was you know um I um initially you know when we were initially doing the work I you know spoken to you know select Gasper about it and actually he came up with the original idea of of maintaining that open so we did have emergency access we had a problem yeah but I just wanted to bring it to everybody's attention because right now there is no access because I've heard something that the people that own the pond they blocked off that street that right away or whatever you want to call it and um but we just P the town yeah belongs to so so we want to make a motion to add a gate think that makes sense we should do that get I second favor Ste you get rocks and crap or do we need somebody to do that no we can move we could probably move the rocks with our machine if I I mean I I'll look at again I mean ours um if not you know um we could roll we could we could move them so they're not in a way impeding putting in the gate at some point when it's decided to be done and then um you need help he lives right around the corner talk about a little bit anyway the FY 26 budget maintenance of first yeah if you look in the packet that I a you there's a budget there's a page there it says FY 20 26 Golf Course Maintenance budget you guys will put that together yeah but my I just wanted to point out that the call you know again I was my my brain dead when I did this the First Column which I says FY 24 is actually the fy2 budget that we're currently operating with the column that says fy2 is what I'm proposing for a budget for FY 26 and those are actual numbers that I'm proposing for a budget um and just in generally generally speaking um costs for FY 2026 will be increasing anywhere from 2 to 5% um fringe benefits I just estimated um at a 7% increase in the insurance I don't know if that's going to be the case but that's the the figure that I used um just to give us some idea um r&m here ation um our system is getting older and each year when we charge up we're running into more and more issues that that are costing a little bit more money so we had an increase you know you know it looks like a big increase but it's only 1,500 bucks um the other thing that's the the largest increase is probably going to be in safety and training um we have newer employees now and I'm in in the past um I haven't upgraded or changed the uh um the safety program for quite some time um down that the town had a representative from I believe was the insurance company um come by um they happen to stop by our building they had a question on a couple of things nothing significant but I thought we should take the opportunity to upgrade the um the system or the what we have for um the safety program um if you there's one sheet the following sheet after the budget is a sheet that describes what's offered by a company called golf safety who does safety programs specifically for golf courses um we won't have we won't go through that now it's just something that you can read through they have a website you can go to the website and they have a little tutorial that explains their company and what they do um the interesting thing about their company not only do they offer all the services listed there but they have videos which are specifically oriented towards Golf Course Maintenance Golf Course equipment do they have the video of the guy being clubbed to death with his own club down in uh Florida no I see that no oh yeah the guy got uh he wasn't even playing he was just somebody that was walking around towards the course something happened he went over took the club out of the guys bag and killed him then he threw him into the Pawn right and and then he thought he wasn't dead so he added a little extra and drowned him so you know this thing I'm reading this thing here about active shooter oh there you go well that's that I think that that's something they put into the all there you know what there's a lot of more incidences on golf courses like that that have happen what about this guy that's got him in New York there the guy the guy from yeah the food company yeah all got shot in the back get shot in the back now they think he's in the hospital the guy put a picture without the mask saw that so those are the numbers in that those are the numbers that I'm proposing um for FY 2026 um the there is one question in regard to um a a salary question uh for the assistance position which has yet be um answered um still not um all I'm I'm just the employee recording that's all um so I've been informed that that's was going to be discussed and a some decision was going to be made one way or the other but that was uh about a month and a half ago so I haven't heard anything so um what was the decision coming from I believe there was going to Board of SEL they already met with the Union um we had well this discussion came subsequent to the meeting we had with the Union two meetings ago did we put some kind of guideline on what we were looking for for him yeah and they haven't come back with anything no and that was a while ago yes it was y because we haven't been mentioned talking to it well probably you're most likely correct just can't get along um so like I said those are the budget numbers I would proposing so we can that incorporates that in his whole yeah I mean it's I mean I can take those numbers and I can print the numbers that I was just a little bit confused as to which numbers were his or are they the numbers in this column here or are they the numbers there no dates or anything because I think it's 24 to 25 I think that's already this is these this is the current numbers right no IND yeah there's no there's no proposed numers there's no years and years and there's that's good there's something really like sticking out on your side nor the business going for yeah and like I mean you know I I think everybody's been uh you know the price of goods have gone up everybody knows all Goods the price of all Goods have gone up and I think um you know again material wise and stuff um that's just reflected in the Distributors and what they're passing on to us well we did um Fairway Iration just the sand was close to 10 gr four nine hole 10 holes just did he did did he dust them or did you put them you know oh no they they no they did a real they came through the same was only 10 grand I mean tractor Trail two grand so you only got five tractor trailers well I guess yeah they kept on bringing it and bringing it and bringing it you they had some huge two huge Hoppers that they put it down with yeah as big as this room oh yeah yeah it's called C if there was tow behind the track was called cr10 yeah so father Alan VD do that Father and Son team yeah Alan VD yeah yeah they're real good yeah Alan's a good gu you you wouldn't want to see the build of top dress of these Fairways no I don't what I'm saying I know I'd like to be able to do it it's a great thing to do but last time it was done there it was 15 years ago didn't have the money employee benefits which I know that this keeps coming up this the problem is the you know you need something from this building basically I had a visit from uh select hinley on was it Monday Tuesday one of those two days he and I had a you know a very good discussion on this um he said he would he would be addressing it I mean it's it's basically to put it in a nutshell when Golf Course employees went from at least Golf Course Maintenance employees when they went from Valley Crest employees to town of aush employees I sat down with with Alan Cino and Alan Cino explained to me you know we talked about equipment and other things and he explained me the question of benefits came up and the benefits for full-time Golf Course Maintenance employees are supposed to be the same benefits afforded to any other full-time Town employee um and that is the way it worked without question through up until we got to the point of um the last three three or you know actually last five years or so when we bring in this uh the new payroll system and you know all the I mean in the time I've been here there is I think there's maybe one or two staff people in town hall that are still here from the time I started working here in 2001 Robert head the wrong one um but anyway the the the the I don't know if it's a complaint or what but there wasn't anything written down so they needed something signed so I went back and I took you know couple years ago because I when I if I want to interview Andrew I can't tell Andrew what his benefits are as a full-time employee which is kind of odd because that's one of the few question first questions I'd ask is an employee looking for employment so I put this down I put down the holidays the vacation time the vacation time has been that way since I've been here sick time personal days bement you know the retirement program eligibility for group health insurance the only thing I just not on here is um uh what do they call it longevity um and uh there is a there is a format for longevity I don't remember it off the top of my head but this basically involves currently it involves three maybe four people three people in my department and I think probably would apply to Isaac because I think Isaac opted out of the Union um the union you and this is basically what this is basically what is in the usw contract for supervisory Personnel so I'm at a loss as to why we can't get it done but until you know there's a magic signature on a piece of paper somewhere the treasury Department will not do anything and the cruls are not showing up on these people's uh pay STS and so on so I don't know I mean I can't do it I don't know who needs to do it but we need to have something done so they're receiving the appropriate benefits at the appropriate time and they keep a track of them at least well I I would assume so um because it's you know it would be it would be kept track of through the payroll system but the problem is now of course you don't get paycheck anymore you don't get to see it you have to go online through the employee portal and look at your W4 or whatever it is and they have done that and there is not any acral for for any of those benefits yeah so that needs to be addressed and and once it's addressed it needs to be Retro Retro back to where it's you know where and when it's supposed to be so you express that s hle yes um and you know he and I had a I mean he was he's uh was a Miss as to why this hadn't been done in the past and everybody was talking when people started asking me about well where's their written agreements well nobody had in a written agreement the only person who had a written agreement initially was me and it was called a contractor so anyone that ever got hired here never came up with some kind of proposal like that never no when when I got when I got hired here I was given an old full an old dot matrix printout and it had the vacation stuff it had everything in it and it also had at the time the current policies you know sexual Gras like stuff now the current packets that come out don't have that information they have the you know the town policy sexual harassment so on and so forth your W4 your State W4 why you know because you're a town a Municipal Employee don't contribute to Social Security and all that good stuff um but it's again it's it's not written down anywhere um and our if I'm I might be mistaken but I believe the golf course employees are the only employees in the town of cush who are not unionized you have the as me Union which takes care of town all employees you you have a separate Union for the uh Rank and file or the rank and file the police department you have a separate Union for the rank and file the fire department I believe and then you have a separate Union for the DPW employees other than Dan employees who work under you know work government and I I don't I think the maybe the uh I think the the workers at the library if they're full-time I don't know if there's more than one or two if they are they probably work under the as me contract about uh Park commission Park um same thing but I don't think I think the only person who's full-time is the head yeah because Mike Ashley works for the park department but works so unless you reach a certain number of hours the benefits don't apply except for the retirement they always take the retirement check and if you're parttime if you're parttime it goes into some thing called Ben yes so where we stand with employee benefits so essentially they're not given contracts this absolutely should be something that an employee should be consistent and they should be able to you should be able to give this to them yeah and presumably it needs the Lessing of the SEL a better term so I mean if if Mr hinley is on board and we're doing this I think you it's just a handful of employees that don't fall into some other already defined bucket we need to request that basically this right here which mirrors the anyway just becomes the standard so when somebody is hired full time that would fall into the individual category that's go right there with them so everybody knows what to expect knows exactly come in that packet right right there be no questions as to what they need to approve what's approved by the town you have that Prett much AUM seems like it was happening yeah it was get an hour hours I get an hour know I don't know I think I don't think something from us after he and I discussed this basic of the conversation he was coming right down the town after he spoke with me and he said um you know he said I'm going to go down there now and we're going to you know I'm going to just tell him to do this so but that's going to happen just I'm going to have to get back I'm going to have to get back in touch and find out exactly where we stand with this meeting is Mondays yeah I provided that schedule to let people know um what I had planned for ation and also the um the days that I would request for maintenance Mondays hopefully I didn't make any mistakes and put them on holidays and Chuck them twice very first one is patri day if I if I could just jump into you're much better than me I'm not used to having holidays off right so well this 25 yeah yeah so the couple things that I would say based on those post Monday I start by saying I think it's a good idea being able to take use of this time and get things done but April 21st is Patriots Day so that's you got June 30th and July 7th so that's two Mondays in a row the Monday before Monday after July 4th I just seemed like Tak June no I have June 9th and June 30 right right but then you have July 7th so June 30th and July 7th are two Mondays in a row right on either side of the July 4th holiday so my question is do we need to close two Mondays not closed but Clos open late two Mondays in a row well the reason I the reason I spaced out June like that is because I went back and I checked the June outing schedule for 2024 and there were no outings on those two Mondays other that was adding on the other Mondays in June right same but then it just backs into two Mondays in a row um I mean you could around July if you you know if we had to we could probably um you know probably go without the June 30th been keep to July 7th because we have an airation activity supp you um potentially scheduled for the sth I don't think of people would that's July we yeah so we're killing this one in April and one in June no no well Patriot Day has to be changed we're not killing it to pick up another day and then the the the 30th we probably going to keep the ninth and probably eliminate the 30th and then and then September 1st is a Labor Day like I said I I haven't had holidays off my entire life I work every one of them except Christmas and New Year's so September 1st is Labor Day yes first Monday in September every again early that's early is can't be inly so change that November's wide open unfortunately all the activities need to January put there so that's there for people's information um indicates the day the um the activities that would occur um we do have Fairway uh ation scheduled for Monday the 4th and Tuesday the 5th of August um that uh I got you know once those dates were penciled in I gave those to Isaac and he had put them on the schedule up there so so we should be good with that greens deep time coming in October on the 6th of October a little bit later in the year unfortunately we couldn't and that's the only day we could really um get in there but I I don't mind that early slot in October um and then the the uh the dryck I just don't know what I'm going to be able to do with that if anything um you know they're I think the contractor a little teed at me because he hasn't returned text phone calls or emails and keeps on sending me an invoice that I owe 14,000 bucks and I said there's no way in God's green that I'm paying that it's a cancellation fee so stick it where the doesn't I mean it's ridiculous I think this is good doubt that's planned out like there like way in advance so hopefully there's no chance that tea time start getting booked up on top of these well that's the thing I mean if you if we know it in advance you know and obviously if weather changes then I'm going to have to you know I'm I'm going to have to change with the weather and and you know and make do uh but at least it's out there it can be put on a schedule people can see it and you know a lot of people you know you know there's a portion of people say oh well greens are air rated and and I can't play you know heaven forbid that you know there' be 5,000 little quarter inch holes in there that don't affect ball roll whatsoever 20 years ago you could get away with saying that now it's totally different doesn't take that long used to it doesn't it affects it but you doesn't the Cure of it doesn't take as long as it used to did you see what they did to the girls full ball they see it at the country cor no after oh yeah yeah yeah they yeah they every all the greens a hole like there the cers and then with the whole the flag was that every was was not punched but all oh he did the collars he did the perimeter Cuts yeah because probably because they were barking out with the with the triplex cutting the uh the extra wear I I variated cows and and what they call cleanup passes um once or twice during the course of the year but not before the ls I mean it's just as they really what to do what else Club House oh yeah that's an important so the club house RFP so we we all unanimously ranked on Catalyst the highest of the three so I reached out to Kirk the gentleman who was here that night from them he was very happy said they're interested still in our project so I told him the next thing that I needed from him was an actual like price proposal to do the different at least the first stages of the work right you know we had a couple of questions it's like you know how much detail we wanted in certain things and right because I mean because with any of these things you get to the point where you know do you want actual like 3D renderings of what things might look at I'm like well let's cross that bridge when we get to it down the line let's start with the very first stages of right right analysis of the property and the potential sightings and things like that and then we'll get into more detailed things which obviously understand we will cost money but down the road so we said he was going to put that proposal together unfortunately I was hoping to have it before tonight to share with us but I didn't get it by this afternoon so as soon as I do have it I'll share it with the rest of us and then obious like with any big contract I don't want big but I me any contract that's comes out of an article where I was to funded we went with the right compy they they had a lot of similar go experience you seem to get the um the scope that we're looking for not not too highend not a ha field but number four right number three only three of them presented one didn't show up one one backed out exactly so that was that's good yeah yeah he was is he going to give us a sketch more or less just a little sketch right so they would be right I told him not to get into like full 3d rendering but absolutely like 2D sketches of the things once he talks exactly proposals so as soon as I get that from him I'll be able to sh that all right path work but be nice to do some car path yeah that um you know and I put um in the first page of your uh Little Packet there you see where car path work was those are just suggestions from my standpoint again we have car path work is there because you know we do need to do it you know when and how we're going to do it that's the question but I didn't want it to be forgotten completely um we have issues on the 18 car path where the carts are starting to drive on the rough all the time because there's so many roots that just I can't blame I me you just uh bounce nobody's business four green yeah that's yeah too many trees I shouldn't say that with you here but we can always take care of that I know that that's why he want should said that so if anybody you know the when the question of car pathwork is going to come up and how um and not necessar to discuss it now but just to keep in mind that we probably need to do some and where we need to do it that's why mentioned car path work and again if we're going to decide to do any prep work can be done this time of year and if we do are capable working something out with the uh the DPW that was when they would probably have more time than anything when's the uh when did they shut their baset PL I don't know if they're they may be shut now because it was so cold yeah I know they just paid Hamet Street not long two weeks ago so I me I know they were still making it then but probably get cold so be good to attack as much could as far as like cutting out all the the real bumpy areas yeah we have some we have some issues you like for instance getting down to the second te that we're going to have to address um and you know the uh once we decide on if and where car path work is going to be done um we're going to have to address the source of the roots because excuse me you go out there and you dig up all those roots as Dan at least from his perspective is if he's going to do all that work to put a car path in he's not going to leave any roots or trees to mess it up so why U why can't you get to the second te it's not this it's it's the top end by the first screen how are you going to get there know by the blue and the black tea the problem is you know you either You' either have down that wood line no by one yeah but on the problem is negotiating the corner by that bunker and you're not going to you know when it starts going like this because the asphalt trucks won't fit on the carpet the aspht truck so the asphalt trucks you know coming in there you know the as truck's going to be like this and it's going to go over so the idea is to come off of that and go through the woods and create a road similar to what was behind the F yeah fifth green and then that way you have access down there for other work you want to do with large Machinery but you be able to get the asphalt trucks in there and out of there without a significant problem M as well as the escavator because if you didn't if you weren't going um to do that then you'd have to walk the escavator down there and it's not you're not going to be able to walk it on on that black top turn so you'd have to you know you could do it out on the grass but you you know so so how do we put that plant together um again I mean the actual putting of the plant together isn't as um difficult as finding out how we're you know who and how is going to do it again it comes back to that question of the plan huh that's part of the well that's the that's the initiation of the plan who you know what are they going to be able to do and when um and you know uh because again I mean this winter and unless you get a lot of rain I mean that could be a especially after you know after we close of 15 if DPW can't do it what are the Alternatives oh jeez you have to go out and you going to put a road that kind of road back there through there I I don't know if I'd I don't know if you'd find anybody else who just want to do that me Dan did you know he did you know real nice job behind the fifth grade oh yeah he real Handy with that Stu made the hole of things too yeah fck I rid of all that garbage in the back and he was able to sit there in the space of an hour and a half two hours with that Claw on that machine pull out all of that garbage get DPW to do yes I that would be my recommendation because I think you're going to C run into a significant cost if you try to get somebody else to do it unless we could find somebody who's you know a single operator yeah then they don't have to charge wage huh then they don't have to charge wage yeah but you one guy one truck you know and who's going to take down the trees and but I think if there something we should ask DPW to do it is car pass freeor small ass jobs what they do and they have the equipment and they did a nice job on the second hole absolutely and they did a nice job on the eigh hole they've been a great help in the past and I think that's oh yeah what they do right it's not kind of outside their you come out with us and the black whatever you want me to do so let's I think you got to get proof to drive the vehicle so so am of money I think that would be a higher priority I to get started as soon as we close and we can lock them up into assisting us so how do we go about getting DPW well I mean I can call him and ask him about his availability but then I think you know some clarification to De I I I think we need to go through make sure in Hoots with the whole situation as far as everybody concerned including the selectman so we're not stepping on anybody's toes and jumping over the bridge by just going straight to him I think to start with him at least saying that available to say to say that they're available to do say okay great thank you D glad you're available presuming is and then you're right just make sure that you can start with him and through the D Through The Bard selection and say we want to ENT contract with the town ourselves to have the DPW do this work get their blessing to let it happen and then move from that but I just wanted I wouldn't want to I would just want to make sure that Dan's on board first and yet we got the time and availability and then getting the approval to then go ahead and do it M schedule planning is pretty much what we already did right yeah I mean basically I just I I think we you know as we're finding out that we're reaching our 35 36,000 rounds we're getting more people more difficult to squeeze them in and so forth I think we need to be clear on some things like what our opening and closing dates are um when our first tea time is and our last tea time during during the uh during the course of the season and that would be addressed in the ear early part of the season when daylight and weather is different during the very busy part of the season so you can take much as much advantage of the good weather that you can and then towards the end of the season um you know have some uh you know get a little bit more information from these outing folks about their size and and um you know they you know a lot of them they say oh yeah Dan we're going to have 140 people in three days before the event they say oh well we only have 75 well that messes up his schedule and everything so we really got to you know um and then there and any other accommodations they use like we had one I think all that information that you're talking about including tea times uh tournament should be put on a website yeah everything so when people come or people go or or it should be in a clubhouse too so when when transits come say listen all right can't play on this day because here's what's going on out there cuzz people show up see you know as much as I do and they say what the heck's going on here well you know if we said put it out there at least we can kind come back and say it's out there the these are the days that you people probably most likely won't be able to play yeah and leave it at that and the starting times are here there's nothing earlier I mean this gu said jump I know that you know when when starting times at 6 I can guarantee you guys you get guys out a quarter or six oh yeah well we have that a great you know the thing the the that's something that could be uh should you know so the spring team time should be down there what time we startop what time we close the the summer tea times are all different spring summer goes until what Sun end of September yeah all right till the daylight so you got March March if there a March April maybe May that the tea times time stop will be different and the ending will be different and then you have what October and November basically time starts different yeah frost delay it should always be on the website we have a frost delay today I get an email where from resi it emails all automatic frost delay 10:00 Country Club those S the text message so yeah that's which it has to be done I mean that's not your gig but just just to know that we've come up with these times there's a frost delay don't get here at 8:00 in the morning when you're teeing off at 10: and hopefully you can jump on before like 9:30 no it's 10 if I'm not mistaken we years ago like say June July and August especially we used to open up Monday the Thursday earlier than we do now right we used to open up when I first when I first started working here we used to open up 5:30 6:00 yeah at least Jerry Jerry be coming in the gate Jerry and Su be coming in the gate 15 minutes behind me you and it was Clos it just sets a bad pres when you let people out earlier than with to smos them the problem is and um you I'm not going to discuss it um you know this that should be something that could be discussed in um in in the uh what do they call those things uh executive session um but you have certain um participants that you know tee off early and other people see it so they think they can come right behind it so it's going to be a schedule it's going to be it's going to be stuck to you know some those are probably your own employees well you let you let one go they all start jumping I know I I I'm not going to stir that part but that's correct I understand all right so I think that kind of wraps up tonight I think it's definitely good plan as we start before we like get the opening or right as we're opening next year I think we should get into the time I've heard the same I mean Now's the Time to do it because you know it's you know after the holidays we're not open we have some time everybody can put their thoughts together know if there's a calendar on the website or something like you said John I mean I've had people say to me like oh yeah I went to to go play only to see like the parking lot was full and it was full because it wasn't out now because they were busy so I had no chance of even waiting and squeezing in somewhere and had I known I wouldn't even driven over that so I mean not that I've heard a lot but I've heard that a few times so make it a little bit easier on the customer and not aggravate that the other thing I get is the rates hey how much is it to play at 3:00 I mean you I can put it on the back of my shirt there's a bazillion different rates I mean the rates are are different I don't really know why don't you want committee yeah it's nothing to yeah I am but I'm I'm uh eating dinner now so don't ask me that kind of question yeah put it on well that's another thing you know the rate should be you know on the website you know what the new race that's a fight we've been fighting for a long time we can't just change jobs well maybe the new girl that were hire in there yeah but the they should have I mean you should have access to the website just on your separate tab Ed in two seconds oh yeah but somebody's got to do that right somebody's got somebody's got to pay attention it's got to be yes not operating at Cash res especially if it's tied in with golf now it be rela easy I mean it's like you said you you see it time and time again so it can't be the most difficult thing and I mean I can as far as my stuff I mean I can door on I thought you were looking for a tobah hawk snake I heard that was last Captain see the whole thing pretty big and I I my phone I heard all about it who told you about it I can't we have to go to the executive session is that camera off already we got to pick an next meeting good whatever far as now not taking care of any cats this time yeah in March I oh March yeah I don't know about next year this might be their last year for a while I don't know they got old at first off like the 9th 16th 23rd 9th and 23rd's better for me I went to to buy a new phone and I got there with this new thing that they had right 9 23 um I'm good either way if you want if you want me to state of preference 23rd be fine what January January 22 9 or 23 oh I don't care your vot 233 23rd you want earlier right 4:30 yeah 23rd yeah January yeah all right 21st is it what 23 it's Thursday it's the last Thursday in January no it's the uh it's the first before the last Thursday that makes sense right just made a lot the same week I'm going to leave uh oh well after the meeting get your flight don't go before I already have flight now I can take a motion toj sove make a motion to adjourn second okay [Music] [Music] he a [Applause] [Music]