##VIDEO ID:RTa6CHC6YAQ## e e e e all right we'll call this Workshop order which is the planning Council Al Planning Commission along with the city council Bobby come on up and get us started thank you uh first of all I'd like to take this opportunity to thank everybody for coming out this afternoon and uh going over the comprehensive plan rewrite it's been a project that's been well in the making for some time now but we've got it to a point where we're pretty much ready to move forward on it and solicit input and that's the perfect idea for this Workshop is to gather input between the Planning Commission and then the city council so to kind of like to go over a little bit about what a comprehensive plan is before I turn it over to Michelle Morrison with the regional planning Council the regional planning councils the entit to who the city hired to do the rewrite of the comprehensive plan so a comprehensive plan is a main document that provides policy foundation for local planning and land use decisions for respective jurisdiction in the State of Florida per Florida stat statute 163 31771 the comprehensive plan shall provide the principles guidelines standards and strategies for the orderly and balanced future economic social physical environmental fiscal development of the area that reflects Community commitments to implement the plan and its elements these principles and strategies shall guide future decisions in a consistent Manner and shall contain programs and activities to ensure comprehensive plans are implemented the sections of the comprehensive plan containing the principles and strategies generally provided as goals objectives and policies shall describe how the local government's programs activities and Land Development regulations will be initiated modified or continued to implement the comprehensive plan in a consistent manner the plan shall establish meaningful and predictable standards for the use and development of land and provide meaningful guidelines for the context of more detailed Land Development and use regulations all jurisdictions within the State of Florida are required to have a comp comprehensive plan per Florida statute that either is a county or a city so everywhere in Florida that's Incorporated has a comprehensive plan per statute comprehensive plan is required to have the following elements future land use housing infrastructure conservation Recreation and open space transportation of which the city council adopted the transportation element rewrite on August 7th intergovernmental coordination property rights which was adopted in 2021 and resilience and sustainability which is an optional element the current comprehensive plan was adopted in 2011 and has a planning Horizon to the year of 2030 so there are some elements in the comp plan the current one which are very outdated and so when that necessitates part of the reason for the rewrite the city contracted with the East Central Florida Regional planning Council to rewrite the comprehensive plan with the exception of the transportation element which was recently adopted by the city Council the rewrite will modernize the comprehensive plan and make the Land Development regulations consistent with it and as I had mentioned the purpose of the workshop is to solicit input and questions or any input for the comprehensive plan that you may have and solicit those changes prior to the rewrite being presented for approval and transmittal to the state in public hearings now I'll introduce Michelle Morrison with the regional planning Council who will present the draft she'll be sitting as she has a foot injuries so we commentate her accordingly can everyone hear me okay you speak out though please okay so Bobby did a great intro I'm going I'm gonna try not to cover anything that he covered um but yes we were hired um as planning Consultants to help rewrite the comprehensive plan to bring it in line with the recently U revised Land Development code and then also to comply with any Florida Statutes that have changed so you see what we're going to talk about today I'm going to introduce a little bit more about the planning Council who we are uh growth management and why we have the comprehensive plan just in case you're not too familiar with the comprehensive plan and what it's all about and then dive in just a little to each of those nine elements that Bobby talked about and then the optional element so we are W to one second Bob are we not is this not going to be on our screens ah there we go magically it appeared it's easier on me too so we're one of 10 Regional planning councils throughout the state we uh are made up of eight counties we go all the way out to the east coast to rard and Valia and um 78 local governments or our municipalities are also contained within our East Central Florida region and then just a few of the items we do are listed here on the screen but but we promote intergovernmental coordination between local governments and various agencies um you can see land use comprehensive planning there all the other Specialties guess what they're they're involved somehow in the comprehensive plan because it's comprehensive so how did we get to being required to have a comprehensive plan it's about managing growth and how we're going to do it Florida's popul growth is displayed here on this chart for about 200 time year or time 200 year time span and I'd like you to just think about when you arrived here in Florida maybe your family brought you like me it was in the 60s I looked down there wow the population was down near five million um you can look the most recent estimate was at 22.6 million here in Florida and you can see from the quote it sure doesn't look like a place people would want to move to but Senator John Randolph of Virginia was completely wrong when you think about Florida we our region has four of the fastest growing counties in the state and so with all this growth we started getting rules and regulations um in the 70s we were looking at environmental concerns in providing infrastructure and public service services to all these people that are moving here to Florida and to also protect our natural resources so in 1985 the growth management act significantly influenced land use patterns and development practices in Florida and it has helped to protect natural resources improve infrastructures and promote more orderly growth those are the goals um you know some some may say no maybe not so much so guess what it's always changing always having new uh statutes that we have to pay attention to I'm thinking the gentleman sitting next to me is probably up to date on all of that so as Bobby said we are required by chapter 163 3177 to have a comp plan and it is a blueprint for what a community aims to achieve in the future but also respecting like what the needs today and we're concerned with directing the future for you know not only just the land use but how does that impact Economic Development transportation and other Equity decisions like Health social connections within the next 20 years it's usually a 20-year time period that we're looking at and a little bit more about comprehensive like what does this term comprehensive mean um comprehensive plans have a broad scope meaning they address a broad range of topics you can see all of them here second they're comprehensive in terms of geographic extent meaning that the comprehensive plan covers everything within your Municipal boundaries and sometimes Beyond third they present multiple goals and policies to be implemented over a long period of time and it is the Legal Foundation that legit IES your local Land Development code all land use decisions made by the city must be in conformance with the comprehensive plan so it's very important document so these again are the nine elements that are required and then the optional resilience and sustainability element and I'm just going to touch a little bit on that one now um maybe you have Concepts in your mind about what is sustainability what is resilience but sustainable development is development that meets the needs of the present without comprising the ability of future generations to meet their own needs and that's from uh United Nations World Commission on environment and development and sustainability is a balance between the environment equity and economy well how about resilience there's a lot of resilience work going on right now it's the ability to bounce forward to absorb and recover get better in the face of short-term shocks and long-term stressors so what are these short-term or acute shocks they are things such as a natural disaster like a hurricane they're sudden you're going to know that they exist uh a disease outbreak like covid infrastructure failure FIU pedestrian bridge on the other hand The Chronic stressors are underlying um negative things that are happening and and within the fabric of our communities problems such as lack of affordable housing homelessness poverty and even air and water pollution so these acute shocks can exacerbate those low-level chronic stresses that are ongoing the pandemic is an example of that the dramatically increased joblessness inability to pay for housing basic needs there was mental illness business failure so the resilience and sustainability element looks into protecting the people in the city the environment both um natural and built and then also the prosperity so being so comprehensive It generally takes a long time in terms of planning planning the process for updating adopting a new comprehensive plan rewriting a comprehensive plan and generally a couple of years so we started in late 2021 the Land Development code had been updated there was extensive public engagement with that and that was kind of the impetus to get started on rewriting the comprehensive plan and this is a process um it's kind of repetitive and boring looks like but we started with putting all the gops the goals objectives and policies of which there are I think in your current plan some over 700 into spreadsheets and then we did the same with every data table with every figure and every map so we went through and reviewed things that might need to be changed because of Statute maybe they were redundant they they could be combined they could be moved to another element or they simply need to be deleted because it no longer was um applicable and then we started meeting with City staff um and that that was many meetings for each element particularly the future land use and infrastructure um those probably even Capital Improvements had had quite a few meetings during that time um your I guess your former development director really wanted to use the most recent population projections and so we were in supposed to get them in 2022 and the pandemic another uh impact of the pandemic was that census that was done in 2020 took a long time for the experts in population projections to vet that data so we waited for it and each quarter they would say well not quite yet well we it's coming out next quarter and so it was a series of I think three times they told us that so it was about 9 months that we were waiting to get some updated population projections based on 2020 Census Data not 2010 um but meanwhile we had meetings to go over the gops so we were we were always working on something so the comp plan examines relevant information such as population projections patterns of existing development suitability of land for development capacity of public facilities to serve future development and the city's Financial capacity to make improvements to those facilities you can see here um there's a comparison with goals objectives and policies in each of those elements um you know how many there are in the adopted plan how many are proposed there are fewer in the adopted plan um and it even has an additional element so if there are any other acronyms you can get out of this meeting besides gops it's going to be losos levels of service so throughout the comp plan there are level of service standards that were reviewed in consideration with the Land Development code and with best management practices and even with regulations so the ones that are proposed change are highlighted here and the ones that are water related are regulated uh by the central Florida water initiative there are some new ones that were added um and these are with police officers and firefighters um and that's addressed in the capital Improvement element and then your um Parks acreage per a thousand residents was also increased so now I'm going to step into each of there are 10 elements and it's just going to be like this 30,000 foot view of the elements you can get an idea of what kind of concerns issues aspirations IT addresses um I'll talk about the new policies maybe some data that's within that element and just to give you an overview of the comp plan so everybody who thinks of a comprehensive plan will think of the future Landes element it provides guidance on how and where to develop Redevelopment and to preserve focuses on sustainable and resilient growth management addressing adequacy of land uses in relation to current and definitely future population demands so this element unifies the goals of the other comprehensive plan elements there's also a future land use map and another acronym for that is Flume flum future land use map depicts the desired pattern of land uses and then the future land use element also provides a means for ensuring comprehensive plan consistency through development of the Land Development code so you've heard me talk about population projections a future land use element addresses this so projected population figures determine future facility needs and land requirements based on at least the minimum of amount of land required to accommodate medium projections so medium projections come out of University of Florida shimberg Center for housing studies and they are place-based projections are anything beyond today estimates are how how many people are here today we don't know exactly that's it's an estimate and and in the past so you can see this chart has estimates and projections from 2010 then all the way up to 2040 and a recent estimate for apopka's 2024 population I think this just came in um shows a 133% increase since 2020 so if you look we didn't know that when this data and Analysis was done say a year ago we didn't have that number you can see it falls on the line of what was projected at the time and it's in line with 2025 there's going to be an increase by 15% from 2020 you can look on out to 2040 when this uh this comp plan um is going to have that value of 2040 um there are projected to be close to 83,000 people here in aapka and you may think you're growing like crazy there are municipalities are growing much faster than this you notice also the the County's projected uh population it's averaging around a 4% increase every five years and then also if you're uh discouraged about the the population growth um you can look to see that it's going to start decreasing so even though you're having more people here the the percentage increase is decreasing so there are a lot of maps required in the comprehensive plan and the future land use element has the most of them I think they're about 17 maps and these are some of the maps that are in the future or all of the maps that are in the future land use element so we agreed um early on that the council would take care of maps and gen and create a map template um maps that were concerned with anything external to the city so information supplied by the Water Management District Department of Environmental Protection County FEMA think I got all of them there and also uh because these maps have a whole lot of data in them it's hard to see um it was a decision to have a map of of a northern and a southern section so that is for the the maps that um are larger have a lot more data in them you'll I'll give you a a peek at what some of the maps look like and then the ones that the city creates are based on city data you'll see what they look like um and those generally will be the whole city all in one map generally Public Services like service areas so this is the future land use map or that Flume that I talked about and there are some 20 land use categories you can see it looks like a patchwork quilt here and this is the northern section and the southern section so that that little pie chart over on the right is are um the categories of future land uses so we combined all the residential into one you can see agriculture mixed use something to oh and on the left are the existing land uses so that's that's what's here today so if you if you compare just you know what's going to happen in the future with the future land use designated as it is now you'll see common to many local governments a is disappearing went from 18% down to 7% while residential land increases by nearly a third goes from 35 to 47% industrial land uses more than doubles so from four to 10% providing the city with Economic Opportunity so also emerging here you see on the right there's this mixed use land use and this is nearly 15% of the total acreage so this shows a focus on mixing of uses could be residential with commercial and typically in a single use area which is common now you're likely to be getting into your car to go someplace we can reduce that by having a mixed use area they can help bring residents closer in proximity to destinations of daily needs services and jobs and some of the benefits you can imagine economic environmental but they're also Social and Health benefits too with mixed use development they increase walkability something called internal trip capture rate reducing Reliance on external roadways um also on those motor vehicles and then it can also diversify the city's tax base so there are hundreds of policies I think there are about um just over 625 or so policies 100 less than the adopted plan definitely not going to review all the all the policies but touch on some of the new policies or all of the new policies in each of the elements if you notice this is for the future land use element there were three and they address CRA brownfields and then annexation notice that all of these policies have this uh let me see if I can use the pointer here shall will shall those are requirements so you'll you'll start looking at policies and saying oh is that required that that has to be done or is it as irational is it an encourage and a promote and so the the strength can come with what a popka wants as well as you have to pay attention to the the statutes there are things that must be required so housing quality cost tenure as well as changes in housing characteristics are addressed in the housing element an assessment of projected population growth and housing demand is required in this element and the future land use element which I just showed you provides support by summarizing the amount of land necessary for single and multif family housing development so again these population projections come into play with housing because you're required to project how many housing units you need to accommodate the housing or the population that's projected 's see try to use this pointer again this is 2040 25,000 single family and then there are a couple thousand you know uh multif family so that's about 27,000 housing units projected to be here needed to house the population for 240 now that's not saying you need to add 27,000 right now you already have around this was 2021 data uh 16,000 around 16,000 but the increases are here around 11,000 units and all these projections are based on the ratio now that you have of single family to multif family so you have 90% roughly 90% single family that's what the projection carries forward so new policies within the housing elements are for keeping up with new state strategies seeking technical assistance and providing public education on diverse housing options policies that consider marginalized population renters 25% of the Popkins are renters and also housing trends so the conservation element is the third element I'm talking about uh looks into natural resource sources identifies them and mechanisms to conserve and protect these valuable natural resources ensure water quality and minimize threat to Wetlands here there are three new policies we're looking at Upland buffers maintaining native vegetation in 100-year flood plane and habitat preservation for designated species and there are required maps with the conservation element and these are four of them um these again are using the north south template there data outside of the city um this is one of them this is the northern section for the wetlands map which is a required map in the comp plan the capital Improvement element identifies mechanisms to finance the necessary Transportation infrastructure and Recreation to maintain those level of Service Los uh for the community and future growth as envisioned in the future land use element there were three new policies proposed for this element um the water related facilities is is um the first one that also Regional Transportation Improvement plan and protecting the losos in adjacent local governments so this element the infrastructure element underwent substantial changes really just remodeling um some local governments have an individual element for each of the sub elements but many and most I would say put everything in the infrastructure element and you can see they're they're very much water related and then there's there's also um the sanitation this element identifies the amount and availability of infrastructure needed for proposed development including the sub Elements which are portable water aquafer recharge sanitary sewer storm water management and solid waste we worked closely with the public services department on these gops and rearranging this um kind of came up with the idea that while everything that's being repeated over and over again in each of these Public Service subelements let's just put a general public infrastructure element up top and everything something that applies to all of them will be in a policy up there so in the general public infrastructure subelement all the policies are new considered new but uh they actually just bubbled up from each of those sub elements these policies address level of service that Los location of facilities to maximize efficiency minimize cost and impact incentives for public infrastructure and to ensure adequate capacity we've also got fa uh policies for facilities timing updating of facility Master plans and then your fiveyear schedule of Capital Improvements so portable El uh pable water was up there as goal number two or the second sub element in this infrastructure you've also got sanitary sewer natural groundwater storm water management and solid waste there were a few new policies uh there was one with pable water and really I think it was just identified the central Florida water initiative which was formed uh after your last comprehensive plan was adopted also got uh the sanitary sewer and these policies touch on reclaimed water and providing of a Wastewater service policies related to storm water capture and the use of natur natural vegetation for storm water capture and I say capture as opposed to runoff but it is runoff that is is captured through either retention detention or natural ve vegetation and there are quite a few Maps required for the infrastructure element you can see them here um the majority of them are uh apka service Maps what are the service areas what are the boundaries so aapka would create those maps and probably put them all on an entire map whereas the drainage basins and the soil suitability come from entities outside of aapka and those are put on the north south template this is an example of one um data from the Water Management District on the their drainage basins for the intergovernmental coordination element identifies best strategies for adhering to Regional and state policies as well as enhancing land use compatibility and collaboration with local governments and agency partners within the region there were no new policies with this element um so I said well let me just pull some data from the data and Analysis um and you know these are the intergovernmental coordination agreements I think there are 57 of them and these are the the types of agreements that are listed in this element there are agreements that represent Cooperative efforts for solving intergovernmental problems and they're a means of achieving greater efficiency for both parties ities involved for example the city has joint use agreements and reciprocal agreements with Orange County school board for recreation facilities so the quality of parks and recreational opportunities available to residents are identified along with the discussion of policies and strategies to enhance existing facilities and open space amenities improve access to Parks strive to conserve Future Park land and open space so there are no new policies with this element but the level of service was changed from three um to 10 acres per 1,000 residents so it's it's a pretty substantial change why was this done the parks and rec director said let's be in line with what the national um the national values are which is 10 comes out of the national Recreation and park Association and the facilities here contribute to the level of service the table lists recreational facilities located within apopka's Municipal boundaries they're provided by the city county school district and even private establishments and now I'm going to step into the one of the last elements um this is the optional element I talked a little bit about resilience and sustainability um this element addresses Community resilience again through identification and mitigation of those short-term shocks and long-term stresses so it's an entire new element with 26 policies I'm not going to introduce every policy but I thought why I'll just go ahead and introduce the five objectives with each of these objectives comes policies so the first is sustainable principles of development and Redevelopment there are policies looking into nature-based Solutions reducing heat island effect improving water quality and reducing greenhouse gases second policy reduce uh the community carbon footprint promoting Green Building standards and alternative transportation are some of the policies in there strengthening economic resilience by developing Partnerships policies and programs these support retain and or expand small disadvantage and independent businesses and then the fourth objective sustainable and resilient operations within City operations or opportunities within City operations so we're looking at Energy Efficiency Municipal facilities weatherization and even things like multigenerational Gathering spaces and finally resilient infrastructure principles looking at heat reduction energy generation excuse me I need to drink some portable water so the very last element was already adopted um this was required property rights element was required in I think July mid 2021 and that was the first thing we did with the pka was to draft this very brief element that was required before you could do anything else make any more amendments to comp plans or Land Development codes and now I'm gonna stop with with all the introduction of the comp plan you know why we why we have it how it came to be um why why there was was a an updating of the comp plan and the next steps other than discussion here today um are to take take the feedback um staff is going to look look into any changes that would need to be made and then there would be Planning Commission and city council hearings so what I was goingon to say about the timing of that I'm not sure when the hearings would be but after the hearings are made and everything's been approved then you would transmit that to the state I think you have uh 10 days or something to do that after the hearing and then state agencies such as us um DP do FEMA would review the comp plann Amendment and we have 30 days 31 days to get back to you with any concerns that we may have or any of the other agencies have if there's anything to be addressed then you would make some changes you would have another set of hearings and it pretty much goes back to then transmit within 10 days and then you would hear back from the state I think within five days and then after everything's approved you have a I think a 30-day period um before it's adopted so with that we'll open the floor to questions ideas input um we start down this in yeah Mr Jimmy good afternoon it's a pleasure to be here with you all yeah uh just a couple things first of all I thought this was a really really nice plan U I really like the conservation element the recreation open space and that's uh those two things really interested me so I thought you did great on that one the one question I have and this was on page eight of the very first part did I understand it correctly that we were increasing the open space requirement on new developments up to 35% on many of them that's a question for you Bobby Mr how page a of which uh the very the very first part of the uh presentation okay and you can just answer General if that's just go back I'm sorry it was in the the element not the presentation today the actual element itself page eight would be the future land use element yeah it look like the open space requirements had went up is that correct just take a look so on page eight you there's two policies there one is 131r rural settlement yes tier density Max that's actually a carryover from the existing comp plan you can tier up um developments there was one that was recently approved up off of h Road uh it was a four lot sub you might recall that came before the Planning Commission they did a 50% or 35% open space so this there's no increase there so this is carryover good I'm glad to see the 35% because that's that's good I just wanted to say that I appreciated that um other than that I thought it looked really good and I didn't have any further questions thank you right Mr Anderson M Vasquez I did have a few I did speak to them prior to uh the actual presentation and one I mean who's going to address the the recom the passive the 35% passive open space because we have it as 20% minimum 20% and then of course I told you my concern with uh the counting storm Waters and retention PS as open space um I felt if if if we build a community and we have minimum 20% of open space and the accounting storm Waters and retention funds those are spaces that the residents cannot use so I was uh concerned with that because for me open space means it's space that the residents have access to to so um how do we recommend that the new developments not consider storm water or retention funds as as as a open space so I think we we discussed this a little bit before right um there are storm water facilities that are are as an amenity maybe they have Trails board walks and and access um but but as Bobby said the way the policies are now um in Your Land Development code is where you could specify you know if there was a storm water facility in open space you it's not going to be this big Square pond with a chain like fence around it it would be amenitized for access to the public access and enjoyment to the public one way to do it so the one question I wanted to ask because I saw I I was not here when they um they did the Land Development code but now so we're we're kind of updating our comprehensive plan because we did the Land Development code isn't it the other way around don't we usually do the comp plan first and then from that we develop the Land Development code how did how did that occur right now so we're kind of tailoring our comprehensive plan toward the D the land uh development code as we discussed when we met met Friday the Land Development code was updated in 2019 by the city council I think there was a contract that went back to 2016 or something for that I can't speak to the specifics as to why that was done that way but you are absolutely correct commissioner you usually update the comp plan first then the Land Development code is updated to reflect the comprehensive plan the Land Development code implements the comprehensive plan those are the actual bylaws that would implement the elements of the comprehensive plan plan um it was not with the city in 2016 I don't know what the reason for that was um but we are trying to correct that we with this comp plan rewrite we will go forward and then there'll probably be some Land Development code issues that would have to be updated for us to implement policies in the comp or the the comprehensive plan with the land ofel cut so keep in mind comprehensive plan is basically the guiding principle it's a policy document it is it trumps the Land Development code so if there's a policy in the Land Development code or the comprehensive plan that is in conflict with the Land Development code the comprehensive plan is the overriding principle that we have to abide by I hope that kind of answers your question all that so when I had asked you um I remember everything I had asked you you said it's in the Land Development code so how do we adjust it because with all these new developments like we are promoting connect ity walkability people be able to get from one location to the other without having to get in their car um I remember I had some concerns with the width of sidewalks um um and connectivity where are they close to a public transportation are they close to retail stores I know the Kelly Park interchange was a form based code but I I'm I'm seeing a lot of annexations now into the Kelly Park interchange now isn't that uh restricted to some extent um you know the annexations into the uh Kelly Park into to change well the way that the property be annexed is if it's contiguous to the city limits so if it's touching the city limits under Florida law it's eligible for annexation ultimately the city council can deny the annexation because all the law says is you consider an annexation that's it you don't have to approve it there's nothing in our joint planning area agreement that says you have to approve an annexation there's nothing in state law that says you have to approve an annexation but if they're within the kpi area that one M radius and they're continuous most of these property owners have approached the city about annexing in uh they have been annexed in since I've been with the city since 2017 we've had a lot of annexations up there they've sub subsequently developed in the kpi under the comprehensive plan policies that are there and then under the form based code which is there so there's a policy in the existing comprehensive plan right now and it's carrying over to the rewrite that says that if you're within the form-based code area that one mile radius of the intersection of State Road 429 and Kelly Park Road you're required to get a mixed use future land use designation and then apply for a mixed use kpi zoning and provide a master plan that's subject to the character Zone that you're within so that's all in the comprehensive plan that goes back to compromise that was struck between the Environmental community and development Community back in probably the late 80s early '90s when the wakaba parkway was planned to come up through there which is now State Road 429 that intersection there that interchange that's the only interchange that's between um a popka and Sanford barring the one up in sarento that's there now at 46 so that was all a compromise to allow development intense development within that one mile area everything out of there is very rural in nature and uh our comprehensive plan states that if you're outside that kpi any policy that's north of ponan Road and that's going to carry over into the new comp plan you're capped at two units an acre but some of these areas going further out are capped at one unit an acre we even had some areas that are one to 10 so so how are we preserving rural areas through comprehensive plan policies yes uh as commissioner dumy had brought up the policy on page eight of the future land use element rural settlement there's teers in there that is helped to preserve rural areas of the city um case in point there was a project came before not only the Planning Commission but the city council a couple meetings ago uh earlier in the summer it was off P Road there was a four lot development up there the gentleman approached the city wanted two units an acre we looked at the consistency of the area and said no the max you can get is one unit per acre because that's what's consistent with the surrounding area so the comp ensive plan is a document to help preserve rural character of areas so the example I gave you the other day is is if somebody comes to the city and says I want to build a commercial development out in the middle of a rural area we would look at the consistency of area and say no that's not consistent we will not recommend approval though so the comprehensive plan is the guiding document to help preserve those areas okay the other thing is how are we protect the Suburban areas that we because it seems like we're creating a lot of Suburban spraw is that we have a lot of developments that are coming with multi mix use which is single houses or you know multi- dwellings but they're not connected to anything not Transportation not retail so H how how do we kind of slow that down once again it's through the comprehensive plan so you capped at density uh and this had been a past practice in the city uh years back going way way back is is that the city would do puds plan unit developments I think we talked about that where people would use that as an attempt to circumvent the code basically so they could do uh setbacks that they wanted to do or have in town homes mixed in with single family units in an area not connect uh the way that number one there's policies in this new comp plan that talk about puds plan developments and how they should be done number two is that the Land Development code basically states that in order to do a PUD it has to be a mix of uses too not some might argue that a single family home and a town home is a mix of use but the way that the staff interprets a mix of use is is that residential non-residential you have to and and you have to provide offsetting public benefits to do a p such as like a trail education preservation of open space I think the Pud requires a 35% preservation of open space uh you know lots of offsetting public benefits it's not just give it away of thing so I did notice in in one of the pi charts that um what we currently have for Recreation and Parks was a certain percentage but the future showed a much smaller percentage um how is it that we're growing in our population and yet our recreation in Parks is decreasing I think one of P chart that you had there I noticed that I have to go back and look at that but I know you currently have um a level of service of three um and then you would like to have 10 and I think what I'm sorry when you said oh acres per so we have a level of three which how do what does that three acres per a thousand residents it's a it's a strange level of service to me but it's commonly used throughout the nation X number of acres per thousand residents um and there there are other things to consider like if you wanted more Parks maybe look um things at like Park score or the walk score to parks and you might consider other things when increasing your park park lands so what I've notied with a lot of developments is they have these little pocket parks that we have but when you go into these developments these pocket parks are usually tot Parks they don't really serve the community as a whole um and and uh so how do we help to change that I mean some new developments are putting dog parks but that's if you have a dog or or a pet to take there but that's not something that the entire Community would have any real use to so those are some of the things that I'm concerned that's the purpose of this meeting is to really kind of Workshop the ideas and you know come to some type of consensus of things that the city wants to see in the document and there are documents going for forward yeah because I I did notice the the pie chart kind of decreased the Parks and Recreation as as as we grow and I thought that was a a big concern how are we implementing that into different communities yeah and I think that as Michelle had mentioned the 10 acres per person is an industry standard that the recreation director had suggested but why did the pie chart show less I don't know if you look at it I did I noticed it on the recreation um but I mean this is you if you want more that's something you can suggest I mean we can go back and take a look at that that's like I said the whole idea of the the meeting is to have the it's a workshop to gain ideas and input going forward okay I did address the stormwood and retention uh the Kelly Park interchange that was a a concern for me because it seems like with all the annexations they're kind of annexing up by the north by Kelly Park right um and we really don't have all that connectivity the roads aren't really Su not sustainable but they're not built for walkability yet I mean you go up and down U Plymouth sento and appy Lane and and all that you don't really see that uh that connectivity for walkability so that's a concern um the other thing is uh and that really concerns the Community Development uh department is when we put out notices for developments for new developments that are occurring um one of the things that you know I'm kind of receiving some uh concern is that we only go 300 feet in I am I we're going into Land Development code country now so okay see so land devel so how do I see this is why I said this is so yeah how do I address those plan is a future policy looking into the future right 20 something years into the future as to how you want to see the city grow what do we want to be when we grow up that's basically what it is as far as public notification that's in article two of the Land Development code okay 300 feet pretty much everywhere I've ever been 300 feet and I've worked at jurisdictions in Lake I was planning director in Lake County I was I was working in seol county in City of Winter Springs I've worked at City in Lake County city of tar is my first job out of college 21 years ago I've worked in Orange County 300 feet is usually I was in Orange County in planning ofon it's it's about five I Orange County I work for the city of okovi so cities are a little bit different yes all right so that's that's an LDC matter so okay so that's something I can address um but you know I I I did express some of the concerns and it had to do with open space and certainly um making sure that when we have these new developments because I'm I'm all for developers coming in and and building and creating communities but I want our communities to have um the uh to to give some of the L luxuries I don't even call them luxuries but Necessities in the community walkability connectivity close to retail stores um that they connect with each Community also that they're not so isolated um so those are some of the things that I'm I'm concerned with um I haven't been able to go through this whole uh document so you you did present a timeline if I can just if you can share that timeline with me why don't we go let's come back to that let's w we move down I know but I just want to make sure that that that Bobby understands because she you did present the timeline so all I just ask is if that you can send that timeline to us so that I can continue this commissioner this is the timeline there's no set dates yet so what we have is a draft document okay we're workshopping it kind of gathering ideas and input Once We Gather everything and we feel it's ready to go forward to public hearings we'll go to the Planning Commission which is the doubles as What's called the local planning agency that's enshrined in state law so they would make a recommendation to adopt the rewrite of the comprehensive plan and then it would be forwarded to the city council the city council would then as Michelle was saying transmit it either vote to transmit or vote not to transmit the comp plan rewrite and there's things if it wasn't deemed to be appropriate we' go back and fix it and go back to another transmittal hearing once it's deemed appropriate to move forward it would be transmitted to the state Florida Department of Commerce they have 30 days to review then it comes back they would typically if there's things that they don't see that are compliant with the law they would let us know we'd have to address that then when we come back for what's called an adoption hearing these are all public meetings and then the adoption hearing would basically just like we did with the transportation element we had an adoption hearing for that we then sent that back to the state to get their um input afterwards after they have I believe it's another 30 days then there's a 31 day appeal period afterwards so anybody can appeal uh based on anything they see that's not relevant to Florida's Statute in relation to Conference of planning so we don't have a set date yet as to when we're coming forward just one more question when will the public be able to come and have uh a comment this is a public meeting right here this is a public this is a public hearing this is sad yeah um okay thank you okay commission Smith had a couple questions um and and I know throughout the document it mentioned you're trying to build developments where there's less Transportation with vehicles and more walking and cycling um so are we building bike paths along the roadways in order to accommodate this uh is this going to be required by the developers uh like for instance on Rock Springs Road um what I know up till you get to I believe is punan there's a back path but after that there isn't so the bikes the cyclist actually riding in the road and so that can be a safety hazard so in this comp plan are we we talking about cycling but is that something we're planning on having developers do when new roads are built that there's a cycle impact I'm gonna let Bobby take this but again you have your your policies in the comp plan and then Transportation Mobility element should certainly address this as well as the Land Development code yes so commissioner response to your question some cyclists I'm a cyclist they like to ride on the road um and I think the state law says that they have to actually ride on the road um as they are a vehicle however we do require some of the developments that come forward to do Trails um such as in the kpi area we've required everybody that's come in to set aside a devel a portion of development for 12 feet of a multi-use path going as a trail system to hold of linkages in the area um as far as requiring Trails comp plan is a policy document that would be more of a Land Development code thing that as far as doing sidewalk you would have to do a trail instead so it' be like a 12 foot wide multi-purpose path so that would be more Land Development code country we' be getting into your question well I guess my my question is I understand the trail but on the actual roadway if they're traveling uh is there going to be a designated back Lan yes so I think the concept you're referring to is complete streets there are some stuff in there uh relation to complete streets specifically in the kpi area uh we do require that and that's actually in the form based code complete streets concept and I think the transportation Mobility element which was recently adopted does refer to complete streets Concepts as well so complete street is basically you have cars sharing a roadway with a bicyclist sharing roadway with a pedestrian and everybody feels comfortable on that roadway so you're afraid that you know you're not afraid that somebody's going to hit you with a car while you're on that complete street so I believe that's concept you're referring to yes all right and then other one I noticed uh in policy 1.14.1 16 it says the community development director shall have the authority to approve unless not uses that are not listed in ker Park interchange so does that mean that that would not come back before city council as the way I interpret that policy if that's a policy you don't feel comfortable with as a Planning Commission and a city council you can strike that I think that needs to be looked at and my suggestion would be to take that out I think that that really if a if a use is a permitted use it needs to be a permitted use it's not a permitted use it's not somebody can come forward and ask to amend the code and make that a permitted use so uh we could definitely take 114 which one did you say uh4 16 16 okay and I think that's a carryover from the existing compl I'd have to go back and double check but um all right uh and then you know affordable housing I saw that mentioned throughout the document and speaking to developers they're saying it's going to be another 30 years before we actually have what's called affordable housing so what is our actual plan to to accomplish this affordable housing that's addressed in this plan take that one that's a Bobby's taking the easy ones he's shell with the tough ones that's a tough question yeah um we can kind of tag team this one if you want cost burden is a huge issue throughout Florida I mean you've seen the cost of affording a house continues to rise so um I don't know I've seen areas with huge cost burden especially for renters yeah it's and to kind of um duvail on what Michelle is saying some of our apartment complexes that have been built we've done gone out and done some of the field inspections um we talked to the site superintendent out there and they said that the rent for a three-bedroom was $22,400 a month you have to put a first and last and a deposit so it's not affordable and I've read statistics say in order to qualify to buy a home in Florida you have to earn a six figure salary and that's just not the reality for most people I I I don't have they answer that question kind of going back to live local which was adopted by the state it basically deems affordable housing as 120% area median income which is market rate pretty much so that's that's a tough question I don't know Tera if you have any well she was just showing me like one of I didn't work on the housing element but a big thing that comes up is like missing middle housing and different types of housing options between your hundreds of unit apartment complex and your single family residential um the the concept of Aging in place um a a young young person moves in maybe they want to start a family they want something larger somebody who's who's an empty nester retiring might want something smaller like what kind of options do you have and one of these policies is create strategies and policies as needed to retain naturally occurring affordable housing and housing types that are typically not developed by the marketplace such as accessory dwelling units and missing middle housing missing middle could be a duplex a Triplex um townhouse Cottage home seem to be kind of popular in another Community um we did we did a bit of um showing images and image preferences for these things and it's amazing how many people like the missing middle options which is between two and maybe 10 units um so again that would be something you could either strengthen or strategize with for the future yeah and I had heard a a report one time I guess the City of Minneapolis kind of did away with zoning districts and would allow like a mix of single family next door to town homes next door to Apartments to help with an affordability issue as well that would be more of than the Land Development code but you would have to do like almost like a mixed use future land use to allow that type of stuff like our mixed use downtown would be ideal for something like that and so so this comp plan would address that issue I can't say for sure that it would I mean affordability housing rates and mortgages and rents are set by the market I mean if you if you get into setting rents and stuff you're kind of getting into a planned economy which isn't a market-based economy I think what he's just saying is how do we how do we make give folks more options that well I I saw also it it mentioned that you know cities could also uh have Surplus land that could be used to assist in affordable housing as well um and so I I know that is one of the the major issues that we have currently is something that definitely needs to be addressed and so I just want to make sure that in some form or fashion that in this comp plan that we're able to do that yeah and Miss Sanchez has pointed out in housing element policy 1.16 I'll read the policy to assess and identify City properties that are ideal for higher residential densities and mixed use development in order to develop an inventory of publicly owned lands that would be ideal for affordable housing with Surplus land and inventory Implement best practices and managing Surplus lands such as ensuring long-term affordability of new affordable units and establishing effective criteria for the receipt of land so that might kind of address some of what you're speaking of and also policy yeah all right so there something that as Council we need to pay attention to right absolutely all right um that's all I have Mr Nesta uh Mr Morrison I appreciate you taking the time to present this I know it's it's um it's a lot and I just want to thank you for your time here are you able to convey the presentation that you had to to all of us the the PowerPoint and all that are you able to yeah okay yeah okay great yeah we you can just send that out just so we have copies of that um you know there there's discussions and a lot of municipalities are doing this right now is is more torns and something that came up at last city council meeting and I don't know if this is should we build something into this in some capacity that has like a zoning in place or excuse me zoning in progress or moratorium aspect to it or is that more is that not appropriate for for this yeah moratoriums are tricky business they have to be a really good reason a certain amount of time and you're open for all sorts of that that's absolutely true sorry I mean to talk over there um there uh is your mic on sorry should be yeah it should be closer to it closer to it please sorry about that I have one of these tile locators and it starts beeping um can you hear me okay now yes sure just as uh was just described moratoriums our our tricky business they have to be for a very they have to be for a short duration as long as they need to be usually uh within the six month to onee range at most um and uh very narrowly tailored to achieve a very specific goal for a very good reason uh so they're not something that needs to be called out directly in a comprehensive plan they're more a creature of Statute and uh you know enabled don't need to be part of a development code either uh but it's something that a city does have an option to do I won't say necessarily as a last resort but it is a um certainly when there's a significant problem to address it is a tool to use uh sometimes they're referenced in comprehensive plans but they don't require authorization or policies to implement them if that answers your question understood thank you yeah I think it may be advantageous to have some type of policy built in that just says once we start hitting certain metrics that it may be time to review or look at or progress to conversations of slowing down or moratorium style um conversations so just something to think about I think it would be worthwhile to do just especially with where we're at right now to make sure we're not in the same position 10 20 30 years from now um let me see what else I got here do we do we have anything or do you have anything already compiled that shows or that is easily accessible that is what we're our current future land our future our comp plan versus is what is proposed like kind of the changes per policy like in the the housing element here's what was here's what we're proposing do we have a document that kind of compar we have um tracking spreadsheets where each policy's reviewed and and the changes that it underwent in order to get to where it is is that something you'd be willing to share or can you craft that into something that's sharable I think that'd be advantageous to kind of see where we were maybe a thought process as to why this is now suggested or would you prefer that's not no it's I mean the yeah the city has like I can resend them um it's volumes because there might be sure yeah and again I think it's because I think we all have something maybe that we have a deep dive or uh interesting whether it's housing um parks and right whatever it may be I think we can kind of take a deeper dive in each of our own specific focuses there that make sense and that we feel that would valuable so yeah if we can get that I think that would fabulous and I think that's it thank you so much again and I do have one other and and I just noticed and it was a reference to small businesses uh small businesses are leaving a Popa because because of the rent actually and and so I don't know if there's some that we can craft where we can be of a greater assistance to our small businesses in order to retain them uh in our CI as well so I'm thinking that that might go in the resilience um element resilience and sustainability element there is there are some things in there and um we can also look see if there was anything in the economic element that could be brought over okay yeah if you would do that we we looked at a possible economic element but then opted not but anything that was done for that element could be brought into any of the other elements where it where it fits so that that kind of falls under resilience I think you know trying to maintain these local small businesses all right no nothing William dler nothing I've got a couple things um one is I well for Our IT staff we'll make sure everything is will be up on on the website and and then if we can prob make sure that there's a place for our um constituents to weigh in on on those whatever we put up there you know comment as to things that they'd like to see changed or improved or enhanced whatever I think that would be a um would be good for us um yeah go back to I think maybe it was commissioner Smith talking about U units and um I know gosh this has been long time ago I was one my first I cut my teeth here at the city I was a uh zoning board variance member and we we had adus and it was only for family members and what we back had back in the in the day was it was a I never forget it was a pretty good friend that their they were their um mother and father or maybe just a mother um couldn't live on her own but didn't want to go to a nursing home so they put a u a mobile home in the back of the of the of their lot with the the stipulation that it had to be when when they passed away or moved on to a you know skilled nursing or nursing home they had to take it back off the property so I don't know if that's something I know that was probably not here that would be more in the Land Development code but see I have a one hand I think it it's there's an advantage my mother's 95 she probably hate for me to say this but you know might there might be a day when she would you know would like to be close but not in a nursing home and so it might be something we'd look at but we don't have that in our policy but on on the other hand what I don't want is um rental houses that you throw at Adu on the back just to make it more income it's you know I think for family members or or you know even even if it's your and your son who just got out of you know son or daughter just got out of college and just needs wants to kind of be on their own but not really but so I don't know how we I know obviously goes back to land of Elo but how do we look at that in a in a way that we're not making you know just making rental income and and and and yet there there's definitely a need for family members that we could help I just don't know how we we craft that and at what level well I think orang county or city of Orlando they've come up with some code where they're allowing I guess they call it mother La quarters or something in the backyard where the land is available to do that yeah uh not necessarily a mobile home some of them actually constructed correct build yes y yeah so that's the one thing the the other is on the I guess one of your first slides talking about the population growth I know one of the things that you know right now we're you know kind of facing is the immigration um versus migration and and it's seems to be you know right now we've got a lot of immigration and and and a lot of migration but you know what happens in five years or you know is is migration slow down will the immigration slow down I mean because right now our our birth rate is below sustainability if it weren't for for Florida I mean the country as a whole if it weren't for immigration we would be losing population and if it weren't for you know migration Florida wouldn't be growing at at the rate it's growing so I you know I know that's it's above your pay grade but it's but it's something I think we need to think about is you know immigration and migration are the two reasons why we're growing we're not growing internally yeah death I think death rate exceeds birth rate from our our talk with the Bieber and schimberg those are the UF population gurus um so yeah it's it's due to migration so yeah anyway so I I just it's just interesting but anyway yeah and and I guess you know I have no other questions um anybody else have any last questions for for staff if I just want to make sure that if we are going to do comments and stuff on on on our web page and all that that we all get kind of the comments qu the copies of the comments that residents are stating just so we can be on the same page there and reach out as needed and and either direct them to that hey this is already implemented or absolutely we're looking into it thank you all right with that would would like to thank Michelle and her team at East Central Florida Regional planning Council for all your hard work and getting this to this point we uh appreciate I know a lot of hours by your staff and our staff to get to this point and um we look for you know look forward to a you know a really well done um plan that that uh couldn't have definitely couldn't have done it without y'all so with that we'll close this public hearing thank you thank you for