##VIDEO ID:leF26k5lU4g## thank meeting call to order council member abz Anderson here council member Chapman here council member Clayton here Deputy Mayor Quinn yes mayor Moore here please stand for a silent prayer moment of reflection we will now salute the FL I pledge aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all as to comply at the open public meetings act chapter 231 pl1 1975 adequate notice of this meeting has been provided in the following manner the annual notice was forwarded to the asra park press the coaster and the Star Ledger on January 22nd 2024 and post on the bulon board the same the same date all notices are on file with the city clerk or on to special event applications [Applause] Leisa good evening Mary Council there are two applications before you first one is for the uh Springwood Park Christmas tree lighting and the second one is for the polar bear race are there any questions no okay thank you thank Youk you we're now on to Matters from city council council member Bez Anderson uh good evening everyone and just wanted to take this time to wish each and every one of you a happy holiday thank you thank you council member Chapman hi and I just wanted to remind everyone that um the Quan celebration is on the 14th at the Asbury Park Senior Center at noon and the tree lighting in Springwood Park is at 5 o' also on the 14th hope to see you all there thank you council member Clayton nothing at this time thank you Deputy Mayor Quinn mayor Moore thank you no okay Deputy city manager John Hayes nothing okay City attorney likewise nothing at this time thank you we're now on to a presentation of the city of Asbury Park 25 reassessment summary by our tax assessor Michael del RE Michael okay thank you you're welcome okay hello everybody uh my name is Michael del re I'm the City Assessor I'm going to go through a brief presentation here um it is also up on the website in another version a word version so if anybody's feeling particularly masochistic you want to reread this stuff it is there um for your retreat okay can everybody hear me if I if I'm not on the microphone here okay so the primary objective of the assessment function is to distribute the tax levy and by that I mean there is no over collection or under collection uh the levy is satisfied and that's it nothing more and nothing less so to illustrate the relationship between the tax levy and the tax rate we have a couple hypothetical scenarios here so if you look here on the left hand side we uh sorry we can uh we don't have all right so here this is the 2024 City value just over $3 billion the corresponding tax rate on the right hand side is 1.82 so in our hypothetical if you look at the orange column the city value in 2024 were half of what it was the corresponding tax rate would be double likewise if the 2024 hypothetical City value was double of what it was so $6 billion the corresponding tax rate would be half 791 that's just to illustrate the relationship between the tax rate and the city AC good value the 2025 net value for the city of Asbury Park is increased by 9.02% from part year and here we have the individual aggregate values going back to 20125 so at the bottom you can see the total rateable base for the city at just over 3.3 billion uh within 9.02% increase from 2024 uh the real estate market remain strong per Zillow data the average New Jersey home value is just over almost $536,000 while the average home in asbery park sits well above that at 63848 so while appreciation has normalized to some extent limited housing Supply is supporting elevated home prices and here again for the Zillow home value index you can just see the histor price appreciation uh since Co mortgage rates declined at Mid 202024 and um increased slightly towards the end of the year uh through November they increased again before dipping back down in September currently the 30 years is around 6.7 and the 15year mortgage is around 5.9 uh so as mentioned limited housing stock is helping keep price points elevated and as you would expect the uh the orange metric here is the average sale price and the blue is the average assessment both trending upwards assessments are dictated by the market there were 231 usable sales in 2023 and 2024 and these are the sales that are analyzed to help set the assessments or 2025 um annual inspections so the goal of the assessment function is to distribute the tax levy fairly through market value assessments and collecting data on homes through the annual inspection cycle helps to improve the accuracy of those assessments so asre park is currently in its third cycle we're doing 20% annually through five years so once every five years each property has a an inspection this is the inspection area for 2024 it's the yellow border not sure if you can see it too well but it's basically majority of the East Side uh going from Main Street to the beginning of the water front R Development Area so the city aggregate value increased a little over 9% from the prior year but individual assessments will change uh based on a multitude of things permits sales demos and reassessment modeling will impact property values in New Jersey property taxes are collected to satisfy the tax levy and this is the 2024 distribution of that Levy so you can see um the components of the levy you have the district school of 51% uh the local at 34% the county at 11 and then you have a couple smaller levies in the library the county health and the open space this is the 2024 tax rate certification schedule so as we talked about on an earlier slide this is the total tax levy and the tax rate is computed by simply dividing the the total amount that you raised your taxation through the total value of the city and this is 2024 and then you can see the amount for each IND individual um straight through the uh school was over 24 million local Municipal was over 16 million the county was at 5.3 and then you have a couple the couple smaller ones that are under a million dollars each tax levy will change annually based upon the requirement of operating costs um but the Board of Education still being impacted largely by the S2 legislation um so you can see here the total tax levy Changed by $6.8 million of that 6.8 million 5.6 was because of the district school budget so that represents 82% of the tax levy change from the prior un now this is the municipal portion of your tax bill only on the average assessed home going back to 2019 uh 2019 the taxes on the average assess home were $3,082 Municipal portion only in 2024 they were $3,214 uh so a total 5year increase of $132 it's not too bad um our governing body has done a fantastic job being uh mindful of their budget and no they did not pay me to say that the these are just the numbers just the numbers the school on the other hand and is there anybody here from the school board okay so we can continue to talk about it really you know this is this is a legislative issue I'm not throwing them under the bus these are just the numbers it's um it's you know it's making things difficult in ASB for sure um the 5year school taxes on the AER Seth property in 2019 were $1,472 and in 2024 $475 so that's a $3,243 increase on your School portion of the taxes only for the average assess home um okay so in summary uh Asbury Park is a complex market and municipality with a tax levy of over $48 million that requires accurate assessments to fairly distribute that tax levy the end thank you then we'll have public questions when we go to the public session so please should I take it with me uh they're probably going to need your space up please thanks Mike stand there all right our next presentation is by the crossroads at Asbury Park LLC for potential Redevelopment of 7052 Avenue block 2703 lot 3 the former Holy Spirit Church Josh nice to meet you mayor council members good evening Josh cudre appearing from the law firm of sscus and gross on behalf of the crossroads at Asbury Park l okay just thank you and before you start sure just going to do a little bit of uh housekeeping yep uh and this is not a dig you are the applicant this is factual we all know several items uh if information is impossible for the mayor to either kill or pass anything with only one vote we also know that the mayor can set the agenda uh if I was told last week when we were going through the agenda that taxes were not paid for this piece of property I probably would have said tell them to pay it by Monday the 9th and they'll be on the presentation tonight while some employees did know about I was not informed about this yesterday so I do not find this to be totally your fault so that's why we're going to proceed with the presentation okay and I'm I'm under the understanding that the taxes will be paid Monday correct so thank you mayor and I'd like to clean that up thank you I appreciate the the commentary and certainly we understand and that's the commitment from our side that that issue will be taken care of and we appreciate allowing us to proceed and the council allowing us to proceed this evening so okay thank great sure so obviously being cognizant of the the time and the agenda that you all have before you this evening I'm going to be very brief with my comments but I did just want to thank you all again for taking the time to hear us out on this proposal um the project that we're going to be discussing is for the property located at 701-705 Second Avenue and it's obviously the Holy Spirit Church site um it has been a long process and a collaborative process with the city as well as the public uh we were last before you or some of us were uh on February 14 2024 we received some comments from the the council as well as members of the public and we've gone back um and made some uh iterations to the plan that we're going to be presenting to you this evening so this is obviously an ongoing process but we really like this version of the plan and we would be prepared to proceed with this obviously with the understanding that there is a long road ahead as far as the Redevelopment process goes um but with me this evening I have uh two um witnesses that we would like to guide us through this presentation we have our professional planner John Barry from hro gin Associates and we have our traffic engineer nicholis Kennedy from Stonefield Engineers just want to note for the record as well that Joseph Hannah who's one of the principles of the applicant entity is here with us as well this evening so great that's all I have just like to kick it over to John and he could take us through the slide deck okay good evening everyone John Barry a professional planner with the firm hire gr and Associates nice to see you all again uh so just to revisit where we stand with the property in the project we're looking at the Holy Spirit former Holy Spirit Church property on 2 Avenue Second Avenue in the corner of Bond Street just in from Main Street we've got the the church and the former um uh auxiliary building and parking lot area as Josh said We are following up on our conversation that we last had on Valentine's Day uh before before you so the purpose of the meeting is to really again present the concept present the changes that we've made discuss how we've taken the the city the council and it's the city's professionals feedback to heart to try to modify the presentation and modify the concept for you um just to set the stage again for where we are there's a subdivision approval to demolish the church and create six Lots in the single family Zone that's in place today that would allow the construction of six new single family houses our goal is to get through this presentation hear some additional feedback and hopefully move forward with a Redevelopment process in collaboration with the city and all the attendant process that goes along with that the Redevelopment investigation planning process Financial Arrangements everything that's standard part of how the Redevelopment process unfolds so there's many opportunities to review details to continue to collaborate and continue to have the the plans evolve during that process if we can come together on the basic parameters so the the main changes since February um are we've reduced the height of the building by about 15 ft from what was presented before that came about after we removed one of the the floors of the building so it's one floor lower and about 15 ft shorter than it had been last you saw it um one of the floors at the time we presented in February there were two floors of structured parking one of the floors was removed um primarily in response to conversations with the city's Financial professionals about what it means to have two floors of structured parking for the proor of the project and what that would mean for the city's bottom line essentially um so in in evaluating that Balancing Act it was determined that it would be best to remove one of the floors of parking the second major change was to remove the theater concept from the basement of the church building there had been a goal to provide some theater space with a number of 75 to 125 seats at the time there was several different concepts that's been removed in response to concerns about parking um Nick will provide additional background on parking but as far as our um view of the project it's best to remove the theater in the interest of not creating those intense Peaks during Theater events um so that trade-off seemed to be responsive to what the city um said to us the the third major change was to increase the percentage of income restricted units in the project when we had presented last that we talked about 15 income restricted units which came out I believe to 177% or so of the development we've bumped the number up to 18 which is 20% of the units in the project and then lastly we reviewed there had been previous conversations about the type of pilot type of financial Arrangements that the uh developer was going to request from the city those conversations have evolved I've had an opportunity to discuss with the city's Financial professionals to come up with a form of pilot um that is consistent with what the city typically would look for and um makes the project work for both parties in theory at least so back to the the pretty pictures um this is the proposed rendering concept view of the project with the church building remaining in place um which we see is one of the the major um driving forces behind this concept is that the church building gets to remain where it has been for well over 100 years the building you see on the left is a proposed residential structure that is um ground floor with a few amenity spaces for the building primarily parking and then you've got six levels of residential units above with additional amenity spaces close-up renderings the types of um streetcape that would be anticipated blending the two buildings together incorporating some public art and trying to continue with um an overall art Centric culture Centric concept that fits in well with the city ground floor plan this this plan hasn't evolved at all since the February meeting so this is the same as it has been um a proposed Cafe with 50 seats in the apps up toward the altar area and then repurposing some of the the pews in the church for different SE seating areas throughout and the creation of some Artisan spaces to be used as a combination of Works space gallery space and general Gathering spaces within the uh building designed for flexible commercial use and art Centric uses these are the same uh graphic depictions that you saw the last time we presented of what it would be anticipated to look like within the church after after the renovations are undertaken so View toward the the cafe area by the um by The Altar and then more of a a side view of the church to some of those artist stall kinds of spaces the lower floor um which is call the basement but it's really at grade um the lower floor is where we've made a significant change the top of the screen the um the area up here is where the theater space had been proposed the space the workspace um the open work space and office spaces in this area had been previously proposed so in eliminating the theater concept those have been extended throughout the remainder of the basement floor which would provide additional office space that we anticipate is available to um smaller users in a flexible manner um the development team is um certainly open to prioritizing local groups nonprofit groups and working through any kind of agreement with the city that would help to make that happen the um elimination of the the stage and theater area obviously has parking implications and so Nick will touch on that a little bit more moving over to the residential building the proposed new structure got a six-story building with 90 proposed residential units which as I said uh 18 of those would be allocated for income restricted units So 20% of the project the ground floor level includes 74 parking spaces and the design intent behind the parking ratio is that the Main Street Redevelopment plan which is immediately next door to this property requires 09 parking spaces for each market rate unit and based on a similar ratio this project would would meet the intent of or meet the requirement of the Redevelopment plan that regulates the land immediately next to the property so that's what we were looking at as a comparable um ratio the ground floor um has ten amenity space that we'll look at in a moment as well so as I said the the parking on the left uh anticipated to be a small gym and other tenant amenity or potentially storage space um these are conceptual plans so there's a lot of details that would need to be flushed out over time certainly through any kind of technical review process and prior to making it to a planning board meeting the building will have bike storage it will have um electric vehicle charging spaces as mandated by state law and any other number of other details that we would flush out over time the um main residential floor would be next up above the parking level and then the second residential floor would have a a pool deck area that would include some screening Landscaping to both buffer any activity on that space from the street and also to create a a private space for the tenants of the building that has the advantage of being on the the south side of the building so it would get get the sun generally for the for the pool deck the upper floors continue on more or less the same the building's got a mix of 46 right now conceptually 46 one-bedroom units 28 two-bedroom units and 16 three-bedroom units one change we made in uh reducing the height of the building overall is to create four small lofted Penthouse style units so on the upper residential floor four of the three-bedroom units would be outfitted with some additional space and uh private roof Terraces uh connected to those Loft areas and with that I'll pass it over to Nick do you want us to ask questions at the end orer to youer to you too mayor okay uh thank 83 ft uh go back to the picture yep you know maybe it's deceptive the building looks humongous next to the church is 83 feet within the do they need a variance for that bth or is that within the they will need a variance for the building what is the maximum variance now maximum now it [Applause] is I think it's I think it's a residential height of uh perhaps 35 ft but I can confirm in just uh if you go to the page with the parking yes so I understand like where it says nine lifts 18 spots I don't understand how four lifts can and for 15 spots so the the label is obscuring some of what we're looking at here I think and I think the intention is that the 15 spots is there's two stacked random spaces front to back spaces here that would be four and then there's a row of okay there's others there's a row of seven spots there gets us to 11 and then the four lifts on top of that makes 15 so the labels blocking up a little bit of our view and that that 15 spots is all this L-shaped what would the size of the parking stalls be those the size of the the Stalls are anticipated to be a standard 9 by8 um you know depending on structural configurations when The Architects get to details they could be pinched a little bit but I think that's the intent you say you could put in more stackers why don't you well I think it's a ultimately would be a conversation about cost and whether the the benefit of the additional cost outweighs the reduced Revenue that may come from the project so when we talk about different goals of of the partnership with the city one of those things was a fiscal side of it and so increasing the project costs would impact that bottom line for the city as well okay with the the two-bedroom and the three-bedroom units will get a dedicated parking spot and then everybody else will be a lottery or something uh using the stackers will you have a 247 attendant or the resident's going to have to operate this down lift I think that remains to be seen there's different designs out there there's different I'm sure you've seen some styles that have come before you at the planning board um it depend on the type of stacker and it would depend on whether or not those this the two stack spaces then would be allocated to a single unit in some scenarios okay I've read that there's 25 off street parking spots dedicated to the church where are they the um I believe that was a part of the previous configuration when we were discussing um having additional parking through ballet system for the church um right now the proposal is to have the residential parking as shown here for the building there's a driveway area behind the church that could be used for loading and for some limited parking um okay so what I read 25 dedicated spots for the church use is not happening at this point that's not that was that was part of the prior discussion yes and last question for me whether the square footage of the lofts uh I don't have them specifically here I apologize um ballpark I would say probably 450 to 500 square feet okay thank anybody have questions us okay so I just have a quick question about the amount of um impervious surface it looks like you know there's not a whole lot of greenery and this lot is really covered by concrete right what's your what is your plan for scho more management how would you address all of this sure of greenery with the um first caveat that I'm not an engineer so I wouldn't be the one designing it at at any time um second caveat being that these are conceptual plans there's some space between the two buildings that could accommodate Green Space um there's different methods of managing storm water that include underground systems and there's a possibility of discussing Green Roof System for the new building there's there's a number of possible Avenues but at this conceptual stage um we don't we don't have that designed yet and I just want to say irrespective of whether or not it's conventional zoning or Redevelopment we have to comply with all the state standards so the latest D regulations would apply we'd have to comply with those as far as stor order management goes quality retention everything else so so on a on a lot this size and maybe that's a question for you should there be this much impervious material on a lot that's this SI I I think there are a couple I think there are a couple things that uh Council why why you just for the audience a lot of people won't know you introduce who you are who you work for sure U my name is Beth Manis I'm the city's Consulting planner Manis Associates and so the question about whether or not this is an appropriate level of impervious surface so it's a couple things one I do agree that no matter uh what Avenue this project proceedes if it proceedes they're going to be required to meet the state storm water management requirments um but I do want to highlight the fact that um this is not while there's not a lot of greenery shown on the plan this is not a significant loss of greenery either because the site consists of the existing church as well as the parking lot so uh I think that should be considered I also think the fact that the site is approximate to the Main Street Redevelopment area uh which is one of the more developed busy areas of the city where you would expect and I think it's appropriate to have less space or less less impervious cover so between that the existing Paving and and other forms of impervious cover and the uh requirement to meet the state's storm water management regulations I'm comfortable with the level of impervious cover here that said I do think it's important that the developers at this proceed look for opportunities to create Green Space along the country between buildings and and where possible to try to create the uh green Greenery from stor Water Management environmental as well as an aesthetic perspective um and if I can just circle back on the building height I I just confirmed it is a single family residential height maximum height is 30 fet in this area thank any other questions no no I did okay so when this was first proposed um this has gone through months of revisions to the financial analysis of it right it has yes okay so in terms of the six mansions that would be built or large houses that would be built can you tell us what the city City's Revenue would be sure so I have a very brief um Financial slide here um B based on the conversations with um Mr aiar the city's financial analyst his estimation for what similar size houses would be going for in the city you know up high $2 million potentially um that the taxes would probably be in the neighborhood of 300 to3 $150,000 a year and that based on the analysis he reviewed with my client with um Mr Hann of the applicant that a a service charge a pilot with a 10% service charge at stabilization would produce a similar revenue from the beginning um they would be fairly equal from a a taxation standpoint um with a difference drastically different than your first question it is I would say that we were probably talking about uh more than twice the revenue to the city with this proposal than we had talked about back in February I just had one more question so initially this project we described as an Arts and Cultural Center and now what we're saying is just Visual Arts is there a plan for creating other Arts within that Cultural Center so the um the main floor of the church is Prim would primarily be devoted to to visual arts or or crafts type of activities there is some stage space anticipated small you know small Performing Arts um stage space that would not have dedicated seating it would be incorporated with the the cafe area so not not something that would attract a um you know a significant crowd necessarily the um lower level of the the church as I said we shifted from more of the Performing Arts Centric space to the office space in response to concerns about parking primar apparently um you know I think that this project hopefully has a long life and who's to say over time if that space can't evolve but for now the goal would be to have the flexible office space to help balance the parking concerns thank you you're welcome one question um your clarking analysis well he's going to give the presentation yeah uh my colleague is going to provide some background on that councilwoman thank you please um just for everyone's information I'm Nick Kennedy I work for Stonefield engineering and design I'm a licensed professional engineer who specialized in traffic and transportation engineering I've prepared hundreds of traffic and parking studies throughout New Jersey um so obviously with a project like this there's uh multiple facets to analyzing the parking for this development there's the residential portion and then what I'll consider the multi-use portion so starting with the multi-use portion there the the cafe portion the artist Marketplace and then the office space so what our office did was we utilized The Institute Transportation Engineers they've done hundreds of studies of parking data and sites like this to uh to get a grasp on what the parking demand for this site would be um we utilize the maximum parking that the it publishes to come up with the a um a rate of how how much on street parking this site this half of the site at least would need and what we found was during the weekday um Peak period uh we would need 46 on Street spaces to be available and during the weekend we would need 24 spaces the difference is mostly looking at that office space likely nobody's going to be there on the weekend nobody or minimal people the the second part of looking at this multi-use space was looking at the on street parking um we conducted parking counts in a essentially a two block blocks from the site so two blocks East two blocks west two blocks north and south um to get an understanding of what the parking demand in the area is um and what we found was that during these November counts there was more than enough parking to accommodate what would be needed on street for the proposed development um I'll just jump out ahead obviously these counts were done in November uh this is not the busiest time in this area um but again I think as we mentioned this is a this is not the end of the project and we'd be more than happy to work with uh with the counts on doing any additional counts that they see fit in this area if you quick next one so moving on to the uh to the residential portion of the site again we were trying to keep in line with that Main Street Redevelopment plan which uh requires 0.9 spaces per market rate unit and doesn't require um parking for income restricted units um the 72 market rate units would require 65 total parking spaces the parking garage designed has 70 sorry 74 parking spaces um so we we would be keeping in line with those parking requirements of the Redevelopment plan right next door um there's a number there's a number of different ways that parking could be allocated I think we mentioned maybe the two and three bedroom units get dedicated um one parking spot and the other 30 are um are up for grabs or first come first serve um the 72 market rate units could all be dedicated at least one spot um there's a number of different ways it could be done but um again we do meet the parking requirement as it relates to the Redevelopment plan that's directly next door I think one of the important things when we did our analysis and taking a look at both portions of the property is we were trying to be as conservative as possible and didn't take any credit for residents who might bike or use the train or scooter or walk to work things like that um we didn't take that any of those credits into account so we wanted to say here's the worst case scenario um and and I think that's what we did here so again there's enough on street parking when we took a look at our you know three weeks ago the counts we've done there is ample parking on street to accommodate the uh the multi-use portion of the development and the the residential portion of development will be accommodated within the parking garage I'm happy to answer any questions about that part thank you uh I think you mentioned it and I saw it myself when we're done I'm going to give this to James banan because you mentioned like there's 21 parking spots for Main Street but there was 24 cars parked there so something wrong so again keeping in line with that having a conservative analysis there's plenty of illegal parking everywhere um what we wanted to do is make sure we counted the actual number of cars parked because if you know that was enforced and they had to move their car they would be taking up a spot so even if uh they were parked in a spot that's not actually a parking spot we did count the car I appreciate that thank you are you going to do another study during our high season we we'd be happy to work with um you know get the council and any professionals on when they would like additional counts done again we do rise it was more of a Time based thing but we did counts in November and that's not the peak of this area so we'd be more than happy to work with uh council member Clayton I would say that that's typical um during the Redevelopment plan process or the site plan approval process I know we're getting way down the road but these counts would certainly be updated in advance of any application being filed for site plan approval thank you yep I have a question most of the homes in that area are 30 ft right and your building is 83 so that's towering over the homes there and it's going to look a little congested I understand your concern so there's a few factors um the so the church itself is uh I believe roughly 70 ft tall so it's a it's not a not a small building um the bulk of let me move back to our rendering so I can illustrate my point the um the bulk of the building has some Brakes in it so there's the Tall part that is the the six plus Story part that's shifted more toward Main Street that's on the left side of the screen the shorter part that's up at um Second Avenue across the street from the beginnings of the Residential Properties there is in line with the height of a of of a residential building so that that's only uh two stories there so that would be under 30 ft tall the um the Main Street Corridor obviously not a not a very tall Corridor right now um mostly two three story buildings in that area um you've got the restaurant next door at the corner that's 2 and a half stories maybe um so yes it would be taller than those buildings um little bit taller than the church but the intent of the design is so that it's not just a big monolith it's not a big block just sitting there um it's got some bends to it because of the shape of the property it's got some stepping in as you get taller again because of proximity to the neighboring buildings um so you know the it's it's Tall part of the height reason for the height is so that there's a viable project here with enough units to support the development and the preservation of the church um but the Architects have done a thoughtful job of trying to balance some of those issues and consider the neighborhood in moving that massing more toward Main Street and breaking it up a little bit and I understand what you're saying but it's still to me when I'm when I'm looking at that that area it to me it's going to be very congested with the height and I understand the church is tall but then there was that open space and I believe the rectory or the other buildings that were attached to that they were lower so then then there was the open space and it just to me it looks as though it's going to be congested I understand thank you when you were reviewing uh the parking analysis did you happen to take a look is that a street that prominantly has driveways or does not have driveways and maybe Beth knows that if you don't it because my recollection is it's a street that has a lot of driveways yeah I agree uh the majority of homes or buildings along second do indeed have driveways uh there are as you can and as the par build there's still a number of parts that can park on the street but the the majority of SCH buildings do have access to a driveway some of which have parking to the rear I do need to recognize that all not all of those buildings are single family you know one family homes and so it's not it's not as simple as every family having a driveway um but the simple answer is yes the the vast majority do include driveways and the vast majority of the homes are multiple DRS I do believe that's yes questions everybody's done okay uh so just to to wrap us up um we've got as I said an evolution here of the project over time we've been working very closely with the city's professionals to try to resolve some of the hurdles that that were relayed to us we feel that there are numerous benefits to the project continue to maintain the Holy Spirit Church structure in its place where it has been um bringing some new life to it with the architect with artistic and cultural space along with some office space and other commercial use that would be beneficial to the city and then developing a new residential building that includes 20% income restricted units market rate apartments that um have not been a whole lot of those built in that part of town recently um and continuing to support the Main Street Corridor which has you know generally seen less invest M and certainly the Waterfront and some other parts of the city and ultimately we feel the project brings a financial benefit to the city based on the analysis that's been done some of the changes to the development parameters and it would certainly be no worse than even with the um proposed or the potential single family residences so just to sum up um a con conceptual rendering of of six residences on six lots that are based on the subdivision that was approved D and then the alternative being the proposed new residential building next to the church in its place so we thank you for time and to hear from everybody now we're going to go to the open so M will stay there sure you're get questions than may I have a motional appr meeting to the public second all in favor I public participation portion of the meeting is now open any member of the public who wishes to speak please use the microphone state your name and address for the record and there will be a 3 minute time limit for each speaker yes Dan sha Mayo 615 Asbury Avenue corner of Asbury and bond so I'm very familiar with the parking on Bond Street from Asbury to Second Avenue uh you know on on my block between Asbury and First Avenue they're probally only six houses I'll go home tonight and I'm lucky I have a driveway there'll probably be at least six to 10 work vans parking is atrocious in the Southeast quadrant of the city around Bond Street from Asbury to second and third Avenue you don't have enough parking you said you went two blocks I mean you went up to 6:30 at night in November I mean people come home later than that you got to measure it overnight is a real problem parking uh on these streets Bond Street First Avenue Second Avenue uh that gets worse on the weekend nights it's terrible in the summer I mean having 90 units and you only have 74 spaces doesn't seem uh right to me I want to ask a question does the pilot that they're proposing include like the other Pilots where they will be exempt from paying school taxes I would say yes yes okay that that is something that needs to stop stop in this city it is just simple math the school we're getting killed by the school taxes the school budget will be what it is if there's a 100 people paying the school taxes versus 200 or 300 those 100 properties will be paying more it's just simple meth we have to stop exempting properties developments this is not in the Main Street uh Redevelopment it's adjacent to it there's too much density here there's not enough parking please do not give it a pilot do not let them get away with this to exacerbate the congestion of parking in this area thank you thank you just minut for the record yeah it's not a just to clarify the record so everyone's aware the pilot Statute in New Jersey that's the the function it's nothing specific to the city of Asbury Park or any other municipality that's the function of the pilot law but just want to clarify that for the reford thank you yep anybody else like to be heard hi uh Mike stano 4th Avenue um you're to be commended for adaptively reusing the church for an arts and culture center but I question has anyone on your team reviewed the city adopted arts and culture plan because that pretty much lays out what spaces we need in the city for arts and culture and what you've got planned we don't need so I would suggest that someone on your team look at the plan read it it was built over a year time by the Asbury Park uh Arts Council uh with hundreds of hours of input from citizens and it will give you the layout that should be used in a space of this size number two question well number one that's a question has anybody even bothered to look at the arts and culture plan because you're proposing an arts and culture use question number one question number two has anyone on your team looked at the successful developments of turning churches into creative spaces in Detroit in New York in New Jersey those are successes that you should start emulating in this space and number three no one has reached out to the Asbury Park Arts Council to ask our opinions on how to how to use this space so I think before we go any further with this somebody should talk to us um anyway those are my questions thank you so I'd be happy to address those points um this has been going this this design process has actually been going on long enough that the it predates the final adoption of the arts and culture plan I have I am familiar with it um the conceptual space in the the church is meant to be flexible it's meant to have the ability to accommodate a variety of different uses right now we're showing what we show in the concept but the hope would be that as the project if the project moves forward and it could then evolve in collaboration with the city and the Arts Community because there will be a substantial amount of space in the building and um the hope would be that it's used in an effective way um as to as to why um no one's reached out to the um Arts Council directly I think it might be premature at this point we're really trying to get the concept off the ground through this process um certainly I would hope that there's an opportunity to if we move forward with the council here that there's an opportunity to have many of those conversations over time and then as to whether we are familiar with um different EX examp of of successes i' say yes Mr Hannah and I have have shared examples we've have many conversations about different examples New Jersey throughout the country um I've visited several myself so yes I'm a familiar with and aware of different examples of successful adaptive reuse of church buildings and stress again that this we hope is the beginning of the conversation certainly this isn't set in in any particular Stone as to every Last Detail so there's time to continue the conversation if the process is going to move forward anybody else likes to be heard about this the tax successor's uh presentation or any other subject about Asbury Park please make your way to the microphone good evening Tom Deno uh 3600 Route 66 in Neptune uh I know for a lot of you in the council perhaps all of you your main concern is Preservation of the the former church building and and that's admirable and I know that uh a lot of you think you're working with kind of a gun to your head because the developer is saying to you if you don't give me various concessions we will knock that building down and I want to remind you of my position is that that might not be a real gun um because I have a tape I've played it in this courtroom from a couple of years ago their realtor who saw the contracts went onto news show and said uh when they purchased the building from the parish they agreed in the contract that they would be forbidden from knocking the building down now here's why that's important you're talk the concessions that they're talking about all hurt the taxpayer I mean first of all you've got that they won't be paying school taxes and it's funny that this was coupled with that first presentation showing that when it comes to school taxes the taxpayers in this city are being being treated like a guest at a diddy party it's just they're being brutalized and once again we're going to do a uh uh uh another a jab at them where where another project where they're not going to be paying school taxes then you've got the issue of height you've got the issue of density you've got the issue of parking all of these things hurt the taxpayer so I think you would want to know before you negotiate with them is there really the possibility that they can tear this church down so don't take it from me this came from their realtor I would suggest you first ask them to show you every contract they signed not just the real estate contract because it could be in another contract ask them to see all the contracts they signed with the parish and the bishop to see if that prescription is really there not to satisfy me don't show it to me don't even show it to the public I'm not asking for that I'm asking for you to see you can look at it privately and then deter in your own mind if they can't knock the building down because before you negotiate you want to know if that gun is real so I know that they're going to stand up and say no that's not in there but then ask them well then show us the contracts to prove it and see what their response is then so I ask you please before you harm the taxpayer with increased taxes in worsening parking height problems density problems at least satisfy your yourself that you're negotiating knowing all the facts and knowing their position and don't tell me don't tell the public please just satisfy yourself and get a copy of those contracts to see what's in there that's all I have thank you thank you I would like an opportunity to Mr Mayor to respond if I could briefly I Mr Doo It's good to see you I don't know if you recall the last time I saw you was in judge Thorton's courtroom and I heard very similar arguments made before that judge and frankly I have a recording that you all could listen to it's on NJ courts and the judge made a decision on on those arguments um I do want to just remind the public and the council that the church signed off on the original subdivision application which of course necessitated the demolition of the church so I think that speaks for itself just wanted to make that clear for the record thank you thank you anybody else like to be heard about any subject if not we're oh I'm sorry go ahead car Carrie Butch 500 day Lake Drive I just have two questions one is always when we hear about affordable housing what does it mean in Asbury Park does it mean affordable for the people who live here or does it mean affordable for mammouth County what are you projecting those affordable units to go for and I'm just looking at my building which is on Dake drive and I'm looking at the the amount of taxes we pay and it's it's likely to be way more for a 33 unit building than $350,000 so um it seems like 90 units if with the median amount of taxes in the city which this isn't going to mean median because there's some luxury there would be upwards of $450,000 but that's just me you guys have to explain it the other question I have has to do with another development that's in the packet which is on D Lake Drive can you educate the community about what that it's not for you guys can you educate the community about what that the eth and Grand development is going to be because it looks like um I don't I can't visualize it where it is is it is it Dr Lep's property or the property next to it but it looks like a decent amount of building on on the eth and deal lake so if you could educate me on that or educate the public on that but thank you very much okay K I don't have a clue okay Michelle please and just introduce yourself let everybody know who you are EXC evening I'm sho I'm the director of planning and Redevelopment and in your packet tonight is the SDA and the referral of the planning board for the Pro project um known as the views okay it's uh by the mirar um between the two apartment buildings on the uh at 8th Avenue deal Lake Kingsley 7th Avenue right and that's why I was confused when she said e Grand because I'm like nothing's going on there okay so it's e in Deal link right so that is Dr L's property no no more towards the beach go ahead and show us no I was going to say it's the property that being the municipality storing our beach equipment recently it's in between the two apartment buildings it looks like a Tetris shap okay okay so um behind the mirror Mark okay abent thank you okay and then put the affordable question sure so to to answer that so as I mentioned we are proposing 18 income restricted units the city has um four different levels of affordability spelled out in its ordinance and one of the things that we would want to continue to discuss assuming the process moves forward is how those units would be split up between different income levels and those range from What's called the middle income level which sometimes you might think of as Workforce housing that's affordable to people that make between 80 and 120% of the area median income then you've got the moderate income level that's generally 50 to 80% uh the low income level 30 to 50 and then a very low income level so there's the whole spectrum of what we would call income restricted um and right now we haven't finalized how the units would be split up we've proposed several Alternatives that we've discussed with the city's financial analyst because all of that impacts how the the building works both for the developer and for the city so we have a couple of options on the table and if we move forward we'll iron out those details and continue that conversation you're welcome thank you hi paully Shila uh Fifth Avenue 1100 Fifth Avenue I'm kind of representing asber Park complete streets Coalition there was a tiny little line there um or you you mentioned people get around the city with bikes and scooters and walking which they do in Asbury Park more and more so hopefully it's a 1.4 M Square City so it should be pretty walkable pretty accessible for everybody um that said some people choose to drive or have to drive feel that they have to drive to get from A to B um people visit the city and get to their destinations in a car like the the uh facility that you're proposing um coming to visit coming to participate in arts and culture and whatever is going on and living in the building next to the church um I'd like to just ask a question it's kind of tied into that I looked at your um your closed session one of the items that you had was um a shuttle program proposal um is that something James that you can explain is that is that the mini Transit that we're talking about over the last bunch of years talked about en closed exec hasn't been decided yet so we can't discuss it can't mention it is it something like mini Transit shuttle it sounds like that's what that is can you reveal that you can go by the title and again we're not Liberty to discuss that tonight okay so it was just as an idea that the um options exist that people can get around a tiny City like this in other ways other than using cars and if we dedicate space for parking that you know you have to kind of amarate what you're spending your what you're using your space for and what you're spending your money on if we allow more and more space for for storage of cars that's less space for people to live in and it does raise the cost of the units that people are going to have to either rent or buy if there's more space devoted to parking cars I think you guys probably all know that that is that's the science of of you know supply and demand and so more and more cities are are offering less and less parking as then it it avails them more opportunity to provide housing so yeah there's still a question about height and density there's still a question about how much um affordable is going to satisfy the needs in Asbury Park but I just want to lay it out there that if we continuously use the PW as the thing that's going to be be preventing us from the parking is the word preventing us from providing more um more housing whether affordable or market rate housing we we need to come to a balance and understanding about um a the various ways that people get around a city like this uh if there's going to be a shuttle service that's going to enable people to get from the possibly proposed parking garage that may enable people to get to their destination without using a car there are other options out there besides cars and parking so just throwing it out there as some food for thought thank you anybody else like to be heard make a motion to close in public a second second all in favor thank you for your presentation I'm G I'm gonna say just a couple I got a couple of notes I'm glad paully took care of sub ofine with parking so to Dan point I think a thoughtful discussion on pilots and development is is needed and something that I think we're working on for 2025 to say just get rid of Pilots is saying get rid of affordable housing the council's passed about five or six Pilots outside of the Waterfront half of which were for 100% of affordable housing so I just want to be clear when we make that to me is not a thoughtful discussion saying just get rid of Pilots a thoughtful discussion is talking about when and if we give pilots and what we get back for them so what we've done basically is given Pilots outside of the Waterfront for a level of affordable housing I'm glad complete streets spoke I wasn't sure if they were going to parking requirements remain a mystery to me because you're saying main Street's 0.9 this is 75 iar has complaining about two we have a bar coming in in the waterfront that's going to have between three and 400 people with staff and not a parking spot to be found so I think when we talk about designing for cars that that may not be the best way to design right it may be uh we designed to accommodate a car or we designed to accommodate a trolley or Scooters or bikes but I don't think we should be designing entire buildings based on you having two cars 25 years ago as very had nothing but parking in it because all of us up here were here it was a sea of parking with no development very few small businesses and then the last thing I'm going to say about uh this and this is my own personal all of that's my own personal pet peeve but we have to stop talking about we care about historic structures and let them fall into the ground so we either care about historic structures and there's gives to keep them whatever those gives are and that's certainly a thoughtful dialogue but let's stop talking about we care about historic structures and then tear them down this is a structure many many people care about myself included that would like to see preserved what we do to preserve it is an absolute discussion but let's not talk about tearing down for six huge houses and then say oh my God we care about historic structures that's it okay thank you anybody else again thank you for your presentation great holiday happy New Year thank you to you Michael thank you for your [Applause] presentation go ahead we're now on to the minutes I have the executive and meeting minutes of November 26 2024 Council meetings do I have a motion Mo second council member Bez Anderson yes council member Chapman yes council member Clayton yes Deputy Mayor Quinn yes mayor Moore yes we're now on to consent agenda all matters listed on consent agenda are presented collectively to the city council will be considered for approval with one vote these matters are considered to be routine in nature and there will be no individual discussion of these items if discussion is desired by one or more council members as to any particular item then said item shall be removed from the consent agenda and considered separately on consent agenda tonight we have resolutions 202 24502 through 202 24505 do you have a motion for consent second council member Bez Anderson council member Chapman yes council member Clayton yes Deputy Mayor Quinn yes mayor Moore yes we're now on to individual resolutions resolution 202 24506 resolution approving payment of bills move it second Council memberz Anderson council member Chapman yes council member Clayton yes Deputy Mayor Quinn yes mayor Moore yes resolution 202 24507 resolution providing for 2025 temporary budget Appropriations second Council memberz Anderson council member Chapman yes council member Clayton yes Deputy Mayor Quinn yes mayor Moore yes resolution 202 24508 resolution authorizing the transfer of Appropriations in the fiscal year 2024 budget move it second council member Bez Anderson council member Chapman yes Council Clayton yes Deputy Mayor Quinn yes mayor Moore yes resolution 2024 59 resolution authorizing change to tax collector change fund move second council member abz Anderson council member chatt yes council member Clayton yes Deputy Mayor Quinn yes mayor Moore yes resolution 2024 510 resolution authorizing the purchase of natural gas supply service for public use on an online auction website move it second council member Bez Anderson council member Chapman council member Clayton yes Deputy Mayor Quinn yes mayor Moore yes resolution 2024 511 a resolution authorizing the repairs needed to the John Deere front and loader of the Department of Public Works move it second Council memberz Anderson yes council member Chapman yes council member Clayton yes Deputy Mayor Quinn yes mayor Moore no resolution 2024 512 resolution authorizing the annual renewal of nixel notification system for the police department move it second thank you Council memberz Anderson council member Chapman council member Clayton yes Deputy Mayor Quinn yes mayor Moore yes resolution 2024 513 resolution authorizing purchase of spare parking kiosk pars needed for transportation move it second Council memberz Anderson council member Chapman yes council member Clayton yes Deputy Mayor Quinn yes mayor Moore kiosks for transportation the kiosk she's waiting for you to say yes oh I'm sorry yes thank you John resolution 2024 514 resolution authorizing the purchase of rescue equipment known as the jaws of life for the fire department move it uh thank you uh council member abz Anderson yes council member Chapman yes council member Clayton yes Deputy Mayor Quinn no mayor Moore yes resolution 2024 515 resolution approving change order number six for the new Fire Department headquarters with a decrease that is true with a decrease move it okay yes second council member Bez Anderson yes council member Chapman yes council member Clayton yes Deputy Mayor Quinn yes mayor Moore yes um resolutions 2024 516 and 517 have been removed from tonight's agenda we are on to 2024 518 resolution of the mayor and the city council of Asbury Park authorizing the city of asber Park to enter into a subsequent developer agreement with asbery Partners LLC and Asbury redeveloper LLC regarding residential development on block 4302 Lot 2 which is 2011 203 8th Avenue and referring the matter to the planning board for the appropriate approvals move it um second thank you council member Bez Anderson yes council member Chapman yes council member Clayton yes Deputy Mayor Quinn yes mayor Moore yes resolution 2024 519 resolution authorizing federal aid cost reimbursement agreement between the city of Asbury Park and the New Jersey Department of Transportation for construction of the tap SR71 Main Street Street skate project second Council memberz Anderson council member Chapman council member Clayton yes Deputy Mayor Quinn yes mayor Moore yes resolution 2024 520 resolution of the mayor and Council of the city of as Park approving a pilot agreement with ASB Park Gardens PR preservation LLC for Gardens apartment complex and Steven Manor at 120 Mammoth Avenue block 121 Lot 1 and block 124 Lot 1 move it question second thank you council member Bez Anderson yes council member Chapman yes council member Clayton yes Deputy Mayor Quinn yes mayor Moore yes resolution 2024 521 this is a resolution scheduling the city's 2025 reorganization meeting for January 15 2025 do I have a motion it Council memberz Anderson yes council member CH yes council member Clayton yes Deputy Mayor Quinn yes mayor Moore yes uh this is resolution 2024 499 which was tabled from the um November meeting this is resolution authorizing Professional Services contract with TM Associates for design contract Administration and inspection of traffic signal installation at Grand and sunset Avenues um I'm looking for a motion to table this to the December 23rd meeting may have a motion to table to table second council member Bez Anderson council member Chapman council member Clayton yes Deputy Mayor Quinn yes mayor Moore yes resolution 20 2024 499 is table to the December 23rd meeting we're now on to ordinances I have ordinances for introduction this is ordinance 2024 32 which is the 2024 Transportation update ordinance with a public hearing date of December 23rd 2024 do I have a motion question sure a motion in a second then a question move it second question question James is this the thing that I emailed you about about the one ways no this is different this is different there is a oneway designation in this ordinance for wind Street which is narrow enough to be an Alleyway um but not the bigger one that was a different conversation that I was trying to have with Council okay good good um council member BOS Anderson yes council member Chapman yes council member Clayton yes Deputy Mayor Quinn yes mayor Moore yes anyone has anything else on to adjourn move it all in favor hi thank you everyone meeting a journ