##VIDEO ID:PF7n4_XQh5U## good evening this is uh town of a zoning board of appeals Wednesday September 18th 2024 hybrid meeting agenda this meeting SL hearing of the zoning board of appeals will be held in person at the location provided for on this notice members of the public are welcome to attend this in-person meeting please note that while option for remote attendance and our participation via Zoom is being provided as a courtesy to the public the meeting SL hearing will not be suspended or terminated if techn olical problems interrupt the virtual broadcast unless otherwise required by law members of the public with particular interest in the specific item on this agenda should make plans for in-person versus virtual attendance accordingly meeting will be live on Zoom the public May access the proceedings by joining Zoom meeting ID number 857 9728 7177 or by calling 312 2 626 6799 for additional information about remote participation please contact Samantha Beno administrative coordinator at zba a.m. us or 978-772-4864 p.m. first item on the agenda is the approval of the agenda make a motion to approve the agenda of Wednesday September 18th 2024 second all in favor say I I I agenda is approved next item on the agenda public hearing application for variant Susan [Music] Clark did oh yeah please sorry about [Applause] that public hearing notice the airs EBA will conduct a hybrid public hearing at 6 P 6:05 p.m. on Wednesday September 18th 2024 regarding an application submitted by Susan Clark for the property located at 10 School Street air mass applicant is Seeking a variance from the zoning board bylaw section 6.2 schedule of dimensional requirements to allow for the construction of a deck on a pre-existing non-conforming structure 7.6 ft from the rear lot line where 25 ft is required in the A2 zoning District proposed deck we'll meet current front and side yard setbacks for Zoom or call-in information please contact zba a.m. us or 978-772-4864 um good evening my name is Kevin Conover I'm from David Ross Associates and I represent Susan Clark um for her property situated on the corner of School Street and Grove Street um the property consists of a house that was constructed in 1880 uh pre-existing non-conforming house on a pre-existing non-conforming lot uh what Mrs Clark is intending to do is to uh reconstruct a a deck that was on the property uh prior to uh to this proposal the deck was a little bit small um the the new deck is going to be about 15 1/2 ft by 16 ft or roughly 16 ft Square um the existing house is only 6 ft from the rear property line the proposed deck would be 7.6 ft from the rear property line and almost 50 uh 56 ft from Grove Street um so we're seeking a variance for the construction of that deck to replace an existing deck on the property how big is the existing deck the existing deck was approximately 6x6 ft how far off the property line was that um it's basically going to the the um I don't know because the the deck was she she started to construct this new deck and then the building Spectre said you're going to need a variance for that so she halted construction so when we were out there we were not um we did not know where the the existing deck was Sue do you have any input on that when I when I was looking through when I bought the propy through selling information and everything um they had stuff about nonperforming and all and was during Co so nothing was checked off as that and I never considered that in dep I believe Kevin hases it's it's very small it was like just you came out the back door and you walk down the stairs so to me that was not a de and I wanted something a little bit larger so I could just actually sit out there and enjoy so that's what started the whole process um I believe Kevin has a picture of so you can see I think I submitted submitted pictures along with the application it's probably more like a landing than a deck is what it probably was uh for ESS into the house um so so again like Sue Sue Illustrated she just wants to put a deck on the property um so she can enjoy that the larger portion of her property um if you've ever driven by there and you can see from those pictures um she has a nice lawn the the property is flat um it's it's not going to cause any visual safety issues with Corner clearance so the deck is probably only going to be about 2 or 3 ft off the ground anyway and if I could add something to that um my joke I children live nearby where I used to we had a bigger backyard and you know this more private um they they they grown out in their own house but they don't really like sitting out when we're sitting outside under the tree because you know that's down to cor Park and all they're more visible so I didn't want to put fence all around here I figured the deck would give me the Privacy cuz primarily I'm going to made there all the time and I'd be sitting there so I thought that would be also the best solution for everything you know and um because I didn't want it to be like fenced and almost like which would not be appealing to anybody driving there's a lot of walkers in that area so I was trying to come up with the best solution for everything if I understand this correctly you're you're doing a foot and a half less than what the CU you got the existing is 6t you're going to go your set bag is going to be 7 and 1/2 correct so we're not increasing the non-conforming nature on that side you're decreasing it right well again the existing deck will be further away from the property line in the existing house correct right and like Sam put on the screen that's a rough illustration of what the deck is going to look like yeah so we're not increasing the non-conforming nature of the property um we're not uh we're we're not any closer to the property line is another way to put it are the tailor here have we heard anything from the Taylor the butters oh that's Michael Taylor that's in a butter the a butter there's no no comments not a word not a word okay fair enough um see can I ask a question sure did you ever give any consideration to just moving it over 7 ft so then you didn't have to deal with all this so if you look at the configuration that's on on this the the screen now you get the drive you get into the driveway so there's an existing doorway now um where that deck is proposed so uh so sue has the opportunity to come out of that doorway onto the deck so like Sam Sam said the uh if we moved it further away from the property line would be in the driveway oh and when you talk about consistency with the neighborhood all the Lots out there are substandard all the houses were built around the same time um they're all pretty close to the property line um and uh this would be consistent with the use of the land residential use of the land I do have the gis map if anyone wants to see it I can pull that up in the neighborhood yeah I have copy of the assess map as well it kind of just depicts the you know we're all kind of familiar with that neighborhood by the courthouse PR Park those um they're great houses I I I think they're really neat that they were built over 100 years ago and they're still being used and maintained today [Music] hell for you want my thoughts huh you want my thoughts yeah I'd like to hear what you think Mike so generally uh I support this application um I think if the neighbors were concerned about it they were noticed I know the girl who lives next door to these folks I'm sure she got the notice if she was concerned I'm sure she would have she would have come tonight um the sketch is confusing me a little bit cuz it almost looks like the existing deck is in set of the proposed deck correct so it to me it does look like it's going to get closer to the rear property that's correct right all right so I don't know maybe I just semantics I missed it yeah but um you know I support this application I I don't think this really degradates from no I looked um we I had we I do struggle to answer all three affirmatively I can get creative gladly I will gladly get creative because I still like I said think we should support this absolutely I agree okay but otherwise that's my thoughts on it with it being a variance though we do need four or five so yes um you know for a house that was built in 1880 and in a neighborhood with a lot of pre-existing structure I'm I'm for this um to me could say the hardship was being able to do something reasonable with a house that old and a lot already laid out like that that this it would be unreasonable to block it so Rob uh just technically it is increasing the nonconformity uh even though it's it's it's farther away from the side the I guess that would be the back but it's increasing the length of the nonconformity but that's just a technical actuality it's decreasing oh but you're adding to the non-conformity even though the even though the the deck as it is is back a few feet or a foot and a half or something like that from the edge of the house it's still it's still increasing the non-conformity in a linear yeah it's going from 6t to 7 and A2 yeah but the length so you're extending it would be just like if you add it onto the house but we have 56 ft back there yeah right I'm just I see just no go ahead fish your say no I'm just I just see that the nonconformity is continued maybe at a lesser distance from the the lot line but it's still continued you know I'm just and and all I'm adding that is a as a as a as a technicality that I would consider however that does not cause me to uh have agit about this process John really other consideration other than that is that we're increasing the non the non-conformance of what you're allowed to use for space you allowed 25% and this thing you know it's only a 6,000 square foot and the lot is supposed to be what 20,000 Square ft so we're just increasing the land that they're using that they're covering and I don't know if that is really an issue since it's already non-con forming anyway it's nowhere close to 25% well it's not like it it's not like it's going to be impervious this is a standing deck so that means the only thing you're going to have in there is some sonit tubes for support but well I know that I know that it's just the technicality of it is that you you're allowed 25% coverage and I and there's no dimensions on the house or anything else it tells me how much percentage of the land they're using as it is you know side of your house I mean there was no there was no dimensional drawing submitted with the application this is what I received when I was selling [Music] it can sit it the big this is what I received and this was all the information so um might give you just pass around just make sure I may have the the assessor also has a a sketch foot to the house what's the footprint something yeah 1429 for square footage but that includes second I don't know might already be kind of like what you saw you're looking at yeah guys want you guys want to see this so the footprint is 1498 or the the square fo9 total square footage which means the footprints less than that let's call it half let's say 800 you know since it is twostory so and it's only a 6,000 ft lot and in that District I believe you need 12,000 sare ft so it's half the size yeah what's required oh yes you're right right right exactly so um so so 12,000 I mean if you think 25% of 6,000 square ft is roughly 1500 right so we're we're still within that more less than that yeah with less than that less than the 25% the only other thing I'd add here is Miss Clark If you build if you're granted a variance tonight you build this deck you come back in three years and you say I love my deck I love it even more if it was a Four Season room I can't tell you I'd be in favor of that but where this is a deck it's all outdoor she's not adding additional living area I don't have now my original plan was that little Landing had thought um I could come out and then put a garage there since I didn't I had a garage at my other house and then it was just too involved and all so no I come back know that application too just no I just want I just want that deck just to be able to I just recently retired just to be able to sit there and relax and enjoy and I thought it was like I said you know there were people that are building a lot of fences around there and I I figured if I try to do a fence I would definitely probably you know get that shot down and everything and I didn't want to feel that in closed so I was trying to think of something that would meet everybody's needs but partic particularly mine cuz I want to enjoy it yeah it makes sense want to make a motion I gladly will go ahead um all right so first we have to find all the required findings uh in the affirmative so how does the soil condition shape or Topography of the land or structures differ from other properties within the same zoning District so this is a this is a corner lot on school and Grove uh which was the house was built in 18880 1880 um so the layout of it is unique because of the age of the home so I do think we have a shape or topography issue based on that yes the layout was pre and easy too so would a literal enforcement of the zoning bylaw incur substantial hardship Financial or otherwise on the applicant yes I would say yes um that hardship being peer peaceful enjoyment of her property would the granting of the variants be detrimental to the public good and substantially dagate from the zoning bylaw uh I would say no especially if her only other consideration is building a fence as someone who walks Grove Street to go to pyron park that fence could be more dangerous to traffic yeah coming down School Street so I would say no in that case I agree right brilliantly done um all right so I'm going to make the motion and then we'll do the finding of facts after if that's all right okay okay all right I make a motion to Grant a variance from the air zoning bylaw section 6.2 schedule of dimensional requirements to allow for the construction of a deck on a pre-existing non-conforming structure 7. 6 ft from the rear lot line where 25 ft is required in the A2 zoning District second all in favor say I I motion passes so before we close the public hearing yes I'm going to present the following findings of facts this property is in the A2 zoning District uh the conditions we found affecting the property where that it is a corner lot and was laid out prior to zoning um the exist of zoning bylaws um I would describe the hardship uh that the applicant would not be able to peacefully enjoy her property um the proposed use for the property Andor building the proposed use is a deck and the relief so I believe will be desirable and without substantial detriment to the public good especially owing to the fact that her only other option would be to build a fence um I don't believe the relief saw here uh will nullify or substantially derogate from the intent or purpose of the aiz zoning bylaws and this meeting was held in Open session on September 18th 2024 and we began at 6:05 p.m. am I finding a facts it's for me okay I can work with that good we're done thank you okay thank you so much really really thank you very very much enjoy enjoy your day I can't wait watch out for oh I know I'm I'm I've been very careful I've had a couple health health issues so I'm little careful good all right I make a motion we close the public hearing note for than you so much 10 School Street second all in favor say I next item on the agenda Mr chairman I'm going to recuse myself from this because I'm in a butter okay thank you you got a public hearing notice for this one I I wait no I got a right here never mind never mind oh sorry my head's not functioning okay I got all right public hearing notice a EBA will be conducting a hybrid public hearing at 6 p.m. on Wednesday September 18th regarding an application submitted by Deborah Rosen rosson rosson okay I'm sorry for the property located 10 Calvin Street air mass applicant is Seeking a special permit pursuant to air zoning bylaw section 7.3 pointb to allow for the construction of a 20ft x 20t attached car port to a pre-existing non-conforming structure the applicant is also seeking a variance for air zoning bylaw 7.4 variance required from section 6.2 schedule of dimensional requirements to allow the carport to be constructed 3.4 ft from the side Lot line where 15 ft is required in the A2 zoning District resume or call in information please contact zba a.m. us or 978-772-4864 Ross Associates and I represent Deb roson for property at uh 10 Calvin Street um what the rosson intend to do is propose a construction of a carport attached to a farmer's porch on a pre-existing nonperforming house um the house was built in 1948 the lot was created in 1978 and there's another house on Lot number one which is situated just to the west of this property um again the house pre-existing non-conforming it's about 2 and 1/2 ft away from the side Lot line uh the proposed carport um will be 3.4 ft from that property line so it'll be f it won't be any more nonconforming than the existing structure however it will be with located within the 20ft front yard setback of 14 and2 ft um it's the rosson's intention to have a carport um so they can shelter their cars in the winter um this particular carport is going to be constructed with a similar carport that's located at Fort Calvin Street and I have some pictures of that just to kind of show you what the construction of the carport is going to is intending to be so there's different kinds of car ports that um that can be put in a piece of property and we all seen them some have blue tarps on them this one is not going to have that um it's their intention to to not excavate the property and just to put the posts in uh concrete um forms right ex existing on the driveway and again uh this is a picture of carport located at 4 Calvin Street and it's basically that that's their intention of what they want to build they pour they're going to pour a slab no there's an existing driveway there see that if you look in the pictures what they're going to do is you're going to put 4x4 post right on the driveway and just Encompass it in um in concrete form so to speak um so there'll be no excavation of the the ground no excavation of the driveway we're just going to sit right on the driveway so the column stand flat put it on the on the asphalt driveway and you're going to pour concrete around it no it's similar to what that picture shows it just shows these little concrete forms around the base of the of the cport yeah that's what it looks like looks like the the post is in the center of a cast in place concrete yeah yeah like um and it's flat footed on the pavement correct correct what's the point of that other than the roof blowing away well I guess the point is that um there won't be any excavation of the driveway there won't be any borings in the driveway just sit on top of the driveway um that cport in particular probably doesn't have a lot of weight to it maybe in the snow in the winter when it has snow loads it will but the contractor is confident that that's um appropriate way to put a carport on this this property and as if if you've not excavated does that constitute a permanent structure so I mentioned that to the building Comm commer about the same thing and he thought that in this case since it is more substantial than let's say a tent or let's say uh some other kind of overhang like that he would he would like it to be go through this process obviously as being as being considered a structure so we seem to run across that with a pole bar not too recently we did and I think the similarity for both of them may be that they're attached if no they were freestanding this is this is going to be freestanding it's not attached to anything no it's going to be if you look at the picture behind you there's a carport there's a little farmer yeah I saw the forch right it's going to be attached to to that you're oh right cuz this one the picture you gave us is freestanding that's that's another next door right but that's actually the design of what they're thinking of doing like I said uh we've all SE cardboards that are you know thrown up with aluminum and blue you're building an extension on the house pretty much right and it's going to be an open carport like that it's not going to have any walls it's just going to have a roof say a variance were to be granted for something like that what's to stop them from making it a full-blown garage nothing well um I mean just from a zoning perspective I just from uh Z let's just go back to that previous submission that we had Mrs Clark was trying to construct a deck it was spotted building inspector called her out on it and she went through the process um I would think the similar thing would happen here um you could also put a contingency on the any approvals that it will remain an open structure open structure okay cuz it really is um it's not a deck but it's just a covering it's just a so if that's that's something the board's willing to do I'm sure the roson would be We R across that a couple times over the years y but even the definition open garage even the definition in the in the variance that it's for a carport they wouldn't they wouldn't be able to construct a garage I agree they would have to come back to us yeah yeah I agree okay so that's you know no and then that's a good point but um these days um things like this don't usually happen overnight anymore like they used to you know if something happens you know a load of lumber shows up there's usually a phone call of some sort and that's that's fine unfortunately right well sometimes sometimes not um so again it's a special permanent of variance um pre-existing non-conforming lot the configuration the location of the of the house is is probably its most inherent hardship one is it's too close to the property line Second you have Fletcher's Pond behind the property so I think at the time it was constructed I don't know I wasn't around in 1948 but they tried to to kind of keep it as way from the pond as possible it's still located within the buffer zone Conservation Commission had um just a small comment regarding it being in the uh the the buffer zone stating that um it doesn't appear that it's going to impact the the the wetlands and no filing is required so um that's good news for us what's the motivation if I could ask for we're old and we don't want to get with snow but we we've lived in the house for two years we moved from a house with two-car garage full garage so this is our you know compromise so to speak we don't want to spend on all the Excavating and a garage and moving the driveway and all sorts of things and trust me we're not going to put a garage we actually looked into it very expensive we're not doing it all right so um I mean Deb kind of explained the motivation is you know the cars I wouldn't do right so I think we all can kind of um understand that situation um and again it'd be consistent with the neighborhood if this this is at 10 Calin that picture that I sent around is at 4 Calin um there's also one further down on Oak Ridge as you're coming off of Gren Harvard Road um that is a carport I know it's not in the direct neighborhood but Oakridge Drive is it oakd it ties the two together and that one's just aluminum with a tarp over it and that's not what they're intending to do do we have a here I think they are I'm but I'd like to hear your thoughts sir okay uh I'm on the other side of Jose's lot you are I'm Chuck Miller from 6 Calvin street thank you and uh I have no objection at all um they've done a lot of great stuff fixing up the property since they moved in and uh as far as I'm concerned the other one's paying the mortgage and the other one's paying the taxes and I don't care what they do with their property love well thank you that's about as straight forward as you're going to get yes sir I'm a but as well John schenberg at two Calvin and I have a garage I love my garage I I would not give up my garage so if for that reason you keep your car out of the snow and the ice in the winter time and you can just drive away that's the goal we have no problem whatsoever thank you can I speak yes Marilyn Marilyn Scher to Calvin um I as John says you know I can see why you want a garage especially with the winners and the fact that you're doing a car for it I think that's going to make your line of sight easier when you pull in and out correct rather than have the solid walls which I think is a smart move on your heart but um you know those three lots there are really tight cor um so I I think there's no way you could have this kind of structure for your safety without being really close to the lot line and the fact that Jose is not here maybe he's not has a problem with it either so well Jose's been working in Boston lately but we talked to him about it verbally before he moved and said we were going to build a car park right bu you know where it was and all he was fine with it there Jose is a great guy thank you yeah so I have no problem with thank you marily just just to kind of expand on that that's true it's not a structure because you know you can actually see through it so there wouldn't be any instructions well we're not going to get into semantics well I'm just trying to a confir it is a structure whether it's sided or not it's still a structure right we we've been taught that lesson Jess what do you think um oh I'm I'm I'm I'm in support of this um and I would just say you know I would put motivation being New England wers and growing old it's a reasonable safe safety issued safety oriented use of the property I'm for it thank you Mike I same thing I have a friend who lived on uh McDow which you know was off of Sandy Pond Road but close enough to this she had an identical carport to number four and I'm sure it'll look similar to what these folks are proposing I support it what's unique about it is we have a special permit and a variance but again looking at the sheet I can to me I can justify both whether the rest of the board can right question i' just like to know why why does it have to be there it's so it's they want to tie it to the porch that's why if you move it anywhere else where the shed is perhaps if you move it anywhere else there it's not it's no longer a walk-in carport it's a walk to carport it looks like the whole point of the of the structure you walk out of the house you're on the porch and you've gone into the carport without getting not into the weather correct also wouldn't you have to move you'd have if you moved it you'd have to also move the driveway you you have to do something in the driveway then you have to start getting in the foundations and then that's imp yeah and then conservation could potentially have an issue with so that that's that would make it less n conforming I think we have to at least consider that and we've had this discussion sure you do so yeah that's doesn't have to be there but uh okay it makes more sense as far as non-conforming if they moved it it would be less non-conforming however it wouldn't facilitate the idea of the structure it wouldn't do what they wanted it to do so what's the point if you put it over by the shed that's like if you're keeping your wood pile in the shed you got to walk out there and get it every day or twice a day rather than keep it on your porch now you don't have to okay that's that's my thought just want to think it out John I'm okay with it as as I am I have no problem with it whatsoever the the other thing is that you know always your to your point and I think it's been discussed and maybe it just should be brought up I've seen I've seen garages turn into full scale additions you know you know and we and I don't know how that happens but we don't you know that has to be a separate process very simply we we Grant this and and they build a carport 10 years from now you've sold the house of somebody else they come back and or they've sided it all of a sudden and put a door on hold on God willing will all still be here and remember but probably not you can't do that and but that that brings it right back here but that was that just want to air that out no that's good that's true because I I I see one right in my neighborhood just GRE like Topsy a garage turned into twice the square foot garage Breezeway turned into three times and a great the whole I swear with like the work from home movement too everybody's garage now has an office above it whether not I don't know true okay just one of the I'd say uh follow Kevin's suggestion and when you do when you do your brilliant findings put in the contingency for it remaining an open structure yes sir I agree with that be safe okay go ahead before I get to making a motion uh I'm going to go through to the things we need to consider in both a special permit and a variance all right so uh as a reminder with the special permit we have to find majority of these things you know essentially in the affirmative or to to not be uh detrimental to the neighborhood and the property um so are the social economic or Community needs what are they served by this proposal I got to be honest I don't think there are any social economic or Community needs as somebody in her 70s we've got to protect the safety of older people in New Winter there we go uh what is the impact of the traffic flow and safety including parking and loading in in terms of traffic none but safety to Jess's point in the winter yes this structure will certainly help with that are there adequate utilities and public services yes how is neighborhood character and social structures affected by the point of Mr conover's photo carports Are Not Unusual in this neighborhood so it's not affected uh does this impact the natural environment according to our Conservation Commission the answer is no no and is there a potential fiscal impact on Town Services the tax BAS for employment no and if nothing else we'll get a little bit more tax rep right yep um you can be sure of that so in terms of the variance how does the soil condition shape or Topography of the land structures differ from other properties within the zoning District So within that zoning District Calvin street is unique because the further you go down Oakridge Road there you have qu acre half acre lots this is unique in that this house was built than a lot of our zoning um and so I think for that reason it is um it's different yes would a literal enforcement of the zoning bylaw incur substantial hardship Financial or otherwise on the applicant I believe it would I that safety issues again yeah would the granting of the variants be detrimental to the public good and substantially derogate from the zoning bylaw I have I do not believe it would okay that being the case just as a reminder we need four out of five for a positive finding all right um what do you guys think should I make them together or separately I think we do them separately I do separate I make a motion to Grant a special permit pursuant to the Ariz zoning bylaw section 7.3 pointb to allow for the construction of a 20t x 20t attached carport to a pre-existing non-conforming structure second all in favor say I I opposed I have it all right uh I'll do my finding of facts after okay uh I make a motion to Grant a variance per air zoning bylaw section 7.4 from section 6.2 schedule of dimensional requirements to allow to allow the carport to be constructed 3.4 ft from the side lot where 15 ft is required in the A2 zoning district and 14 1/2 ft from the street from the front yard where 20 ft is required yes that's all right that's my motion second all in favor say I I I oppos um we need to put a caveat on that uh carport well I did say to I did say to allow the carport to be constructed oh but we need the contingency for remaining an open structure yeah that's that's c i talking I propose a friendly amendment that it be designated as the carport is design designated to remain an open structure fair enough second that okay thank you John all in favor say I I I hose thank you Jess is that for the variance in the special permit or well the special permit gives you the the you can put the car port there we just want to make sure that it stays in open structure let's say yes yes yes that's all I want just to be safe yeah um all right I'm going to do the finding of facts please uh this property is located in the A2 zoning District uh I'm un of any overlay districts within which the property is located uh conditions affecting the property its proximity to Flanigan Pond uh and the age of the property in relation to zoning bylaws uh the facts which describe the hardship uh we found that the property based on its age and the needs of the residents um met the qualifications for hardship yeah uh the proposed use for the the building is that of a carport which will remain open uh the relief s We Believe will be desirable and without substantial detriment to the public good uh we believe that the relief saw may be given without nullifying or substantially derating from the intent or purpose of the arizonan bylaws and this meeting was held in a uh open meeting uh it began approximately 6:30 p.m. yes sir okay is it much thanks for all right I make a motion to close the public hearing for 10 Grove Street Calvin Street Calvin stre sorry yeah I say Grove that the first one was on the corner of school regardless second all the favor say I right next item on the agenda you're welcome [Applause] going where he going next item on the agenda the minutes of the meeting from July July they didn't meet in a oh yeah yeah summer's gone already yeah no Kidd you know John you read these I did and you know what that was such a quick smooth she had no problem with it she just aced it you got a gold star but we don't move j I didn't find it there you go wow wow super fun wow all those in favor accepting the meeting minutes for July 17th 20 24 as written second all favor say by I hi thank you nice job Samantha thank you excellent we are very privileged we are we miss getting the pick on you get you next month next item on the agenda bills where bills you have the so um the zoning board does have its own line item and I bought some supplies and I need I don't know let me see I'm not you should I bought a self ining stamp this is Town self boarding you got a robo stamp I did send it back send it back we don't need that oh we got to be careful because it's the use it to lose it thing they'll cover budget uh yes so um I would you have to vote on how much is it for S $43.50 company JNS business products JS business okay I make a motion to approve an invoice for 4357 to JNS business products second well favor to signify by saying I thank you um question sure how much money is in our budget for this obviously we're decremented by $43 and something yes uh you have just over uh $2,000 um and that is for both supplies and to pay for any classes you all wish to take okay well I think we alled yes it was granted at town meeting uh zba hadn't had their own line item in the past um so I petitioned for that last year I never knew that I never knew we had I will be buying envelopes at some point so you'll get that one the last few Town means we've been to they blew right through it yeah they they they just agree with whatever that's true unanimous whatever yeah it's just over $2,000 um it's a I figured it it was enough so I could buy envelopes a couple of times a year plus a few other odds and ends as needed uh and then there's enough in there so everyone can take uh three classes a year and You' all get reimbursed perfect good thank including myself so I guess I think we should let it build up and we'll do a road trip's the next one in Vegas I I I think we really need to study the stepb back policy in Hawaii yes I agree be pretty old by the time we M that much money a long all right okay next item on the agenda board discussion so I have next meeting is October 14th yeah or is it the 15th is 14 16th I knew it was in there somewhere three weeks into the month these three stage in theth always land up like it surprises you it's yeah it can be so it feels like it's so early or really you never know um oh yeah it is the 16th okay I do have one thing for the board members uh these are updated Pages for your zoning bylaws these are the bylaws that were voted on at the last town meeting they're all set um all you will have to do is rip out you know Pages 21 and 22 and add in the new ones thank you what's on the table what does the planning board do to us I'm sorry this side uh nothing I thought there were some changes to the bylaws coming up to the bylaws but it has nothing to do with the it has to do with the inclusionary housing what about no there there definitely we've got they're doing they're doing an overlay District that doesn't have to do with that's for the mvta St yeah but but it but it affects the the zoning laws because of the housing yes affect the zoning the housing that they can put in the overlay and that they're not going to require uh permits and they talked about if it's more than three units then it's going to have to be a percentage of low income or or affordable housing yeah there's some things um part of it it does affect the zoning board a little bit but not too much cuz it is mostly in the form base code which is already a little different and that all falls under planning board anyway right and because they're not going to be require permits won't be coming before us right and they and the form based code special permits almost all of them go to the planning board anyway they all go to the planning board that's right now what about that new Adu law that they just passed how does that how is that going to hit us we're still trying to figure that out yeah it's it's it's by right every single family yeah it's so I ask because we just did our first Adu a few months ago yeah the new legislation says that within certain parameters anybody in a single family zoning District can construct essentially construct an Adu in their home mhm so where we had this one that was in that Carriage House which was perfect mhm if it's and again I this is something Danny will certainly fill us in on but from what I can gather if it's 900 ft or half of the principal dwelling unit whichever is less you can essentially put this thing in which Maybe is good I don't know you know but yeah they they've been trying to figure it out um there's graph paper and drawings up in the building department go how does how can we even who can do it who can't so I don't have enough understanding because Danny and Charlie don't have enough yet we're still trying to figure out exactly how this would work and we don't have to really take note of it until like February anyways I think that's when it takes work so I know the board of Health's also interested in it it changes a few housing things for them like it's it's weird Weir but I can look into at least getting us some more information on it for October yeah it sounds good you guys can all talk about it and uh let me know how it goes and I will watch the recing I'll be holding a new Bo so that being the case Michael let's push it off to December yeah that works I would prefer to do that but yeah if there's I'll get some we'll get something together so we can explain it yeah yeah we we'll we'll have a December meeting Win Lose or Draw and I'm gone from the 1st to the 15th and our meeting in December is on the 20th oh okay so I think I think it would be wise to yeah put something together even if we don't have anything before us to work on yeah I think we should we should do that before year end before this kicks in in February yeah so we have any applications for October yet uh we do not oh lovely so I won't even miss a meeting you might not miss a meeting I think the deadline I think there's like three more days but I haven't heard from a soul so kind of pass the season really I mean I plan to be back for November anyways but yeah construction season asphalt plants are closing in weeks at this point in time we haven't had anything yeah no one's come to see Charlie to say okay it up cool cool cool all right I make a motion we close meeting second all in favor say I I thank you and good night