##VIDEO ID:YLWlqmQTCEQ## Al to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all all right Shannon are you doing a presentation or anything or are you just looking for the resolution all right that sounds good we can skip to right to that so we have resolution 2498 which is the resolution canvasing the results of the 2024 election just uh make a comment um so obviously as we saw there was some discrepancy and uh at the county as far as the numbers that were reported versus on Election night versus what was reported on Thursday morning um so working with uh Shannon and Greg um talk to uh in Ken this morning down at the county um who's in charge of the charge of the elections uh just kind of got his take on it and then also um couple County administrators um as far as um where the discrepancy came and uh um everybody seemed to be in agreement it was not any of the machines that issue was just the very last piece where the numbers were reported to the state were the only issue so there wasn't any wasn't any issues with um like the Mach like the machines reading a wrong number the machines giving any bad information everything was good to the point just the very last piece where they had to feed the information to the state um uh that was where the discrepancy was and then where they caught it they go back and they check all the machines and say okay you're supposed to have this number you have this number they add them all up then they go check the state and say okay you know do those numbers match they didn't on Thursday morning that's when they so it was in the course of a routine well something didn't Jive on Tuesday night even mhm because I uh I glanced at the township and they had like 200 votes with all precincts reporting well I know they got more than that yeah so the count was screwed up someplace so the reporting was screwed up yep so it didn't uh didn't change any races here but I know there was a change in the O River School District race and then the uh race for um 14b representative in St Cloud uh there was one individual was up by four votes then there was then it flipped to the other individual being up by 29 and then it went to the other that same individual that was up by 29 was then up by like 150 or something like that a little what I heard on the news was that one yeah so they're going to do a uh they're going to do a um manual recount so not even through the machine they said they're going to do a manual recount of um anywhere there's a normally it's like if you're within a half a percent you can request it in the state or the county will pay for it it's mandatory if it's within a half yeah but if it's um well it's paid for by them but then you if it's more than that you can request it yourself but you have to pay for it right so well they'll do it but you you pay for it um with this one they said they're uh at least in the districts where they're being asked there even if it's beyond that half percent if it changed anything like that they're they're going to automatically do a manual by hand recount so um so I guess uh after hearing that I was I I was uncomfortable at first um certifying but um after hearing that um talking to multip people I I'm comfortable certifying at this point so do you want to make the motion then I can do that perfect make a motion to approve resolution 2498 um canvasing the returns of the 2024 election and declaring the results second motion from Rick second from Robin any other discussion hearing none those in favor may stay I opposed carried oops sorry all right on to the police chief issue so we have candidate still a b and c so candidate C Greg do you want to give us an update well candidate a uh was the council's choice following the interview on Friday um um we prepared an offer um I spoke with him on Friday delivered it on Friday and then he came in this morning and uh we had a conversation and we were not able to come to an agreement on salary uh he's making considerably more than the top range of of this police chief range than where he is now and so uh he withdrew as a candidate um today from the process so how do you would you like to proceed with the other two candidates this is the question I'd like to go back in time to [Laughter] Friday are you going to say look your but ready to say something yeah I personally would not move forward with candidate B or C I think I would wait the duration of time and then go back out for a police chief next spring isn't that going to create some issues with every um are we going to get candidates the second time around I guess I I don't have a crystal ball pardon I don't have a crystal ball I don't know I assume there will be candidates if we open back up you figure it's would be not likely I mean we have you know we had a top three candidates so you figure probably the other two candidates wouldn't I mean we not going to choose them here they probably would not reapply so I guess you the question be I guess if you consider b or c not um if you if you would not be comfortable moving forward that's one thing but if it's like well I can move with b or c but see if we get a better one I mean I don't I guess would you be not comfortable moving forward with BRC is that like offering them the position yeah I mean are you are you looking at it the perspective of I can H I could I would be okay with b or c but I'd like to see if we get a better one or is it like there's B or C are are not uh I mean b had a lot to off I mean each one had had something lacking I guess my my big concern is be at the beginning of the interview on Friday admitted that he had things undone he he didn't feel like he had finished what he had started oh I see when during that first first question we asked yeah that being said he did say I'm willing to leave those undone and move on I just think B and C are very similar in so many aspects that I I don't know that one is an obviously better choice than the other I I think they're you know at this similar points in their career um I don't know that one has more or enough experience than the other I I just I I don't get a clear Distinction on that I guess I would still I probably I haven't moved um since my um my position on Friday I guess now that I've had a few more days think about it I still think uh um B was my top three out of Friday yeah after coming out of Friday I that's still where I'm at today having even had a few more days to um think about it i' would be you know like I would everything not moving since Friday Also meaning that um you know I could uh be with me my preference over c um if if everybody was ready to go with c i I didn't have a C was not a hard no for me um I could do I could do c but I would prefer B um do you prefer not to wait yeah I mean I could I could go with B that's I prefer not to run it again Robin how do you I I I don't know I I I'm I'm I guess I'm at a loss for words aren't I I'm not opposed I I just I I have a feeling that it's not going to be a good fit with the complete change of lifestyle that it'll bring be I I just I think that might come back and bite us that's my biggest res reservation with him what was the uh what was the um period of time was it 6 months we could go up to a year yeah it's 6 month could go up to a year if you wanted to I mean would that we' probably know I mean that'd be a tough decision though to say after you know that' be that'd be a very tough decision um don't want to downplay that but no because I don't want it to be hey you're good at what you do but you're just not a good enough fit here it wasn't a good enough fit there was just missing some leadership skills and budgeting skills yeah the budgeting skills didn't uh this can be tough scare me as much because um I mean in terms of a budget our budget's pretty you know I mean they all they all even even candidates that weren't selected there made the point you know that the majority of it is wages and salaries what you're dealing with Union so those are set um we typically are you know um you know as far as the department head their salaries get set so that's the you know the CIP the cars are on a rotation the only thing we really do with the cars is we may post postpone a year if there's one that say is if we think it's going to be at 100,000 miles and it's at 80,000 we may punt on that for a year so the only that's 95% of the budget right there the only other thing um that concerned me and the questions that we asked were um how would you react if something wasn't approved by Council that you felt strongly about and his answer was then it's on me because I didn't explain it well enough well that might not be the case it just might be that we're going to pass on that at this point in our where we're at with our policing um that was why I tried to ask that follow question I know and and I I just little things concern me um I'm almost I'm not going to lie I'm almost a little relieved that this came out the way it did because I still had reservations about candidate a which I probably would have gotten over but somewhere in that lack of transparency that I felt this this salary range was posted you you knew and we've spent what 14 hours on interviews now that it's frustrating mhm so that was one of the concerns I had going in yeah I think I think that came up yeah I brought that up Y which is something too to keep in mind if we're um as we're looking at others and similar position you know it's probably it's probably going to be somebody of a similar position you know so let's just say it's a um you know a larger Force like that where they're a officer I mean they're they're probably going to be made you know this is probably going to be a similar you know similar budget issue um so maybe having that much experience almost is maybe too much you know that might be yeah I guess my thought is with with see and I I I I understand there's a consensus that maybe that person isn't ready to move into this position I kind of feel the same way with be I think where they lack they lack in similar areas my only level of comfort with C is it's a known quantity and it's not going to be a shell shot coming from one job to a completely different job so I don't know that's do I feel really strongly about one over the other probably not a hill I'm going to die on but I sometimes think that known quantity is is but you if you went with B you'd still have the known quantity they'd be kind of a kind of but I think I I just I worry that he is going to walk in sit in a chair and go this isn't for me we did ask the will boor aspect yeah we could have a similar situation too with what we had with a can't believe you saved that chocolate I'm saving it for rainy day it's raining I don't know you guys I I like I said I I'm I reposting it if you want what do we do in the meantime you would have to do an interim yeah we'd have to name an interim Chief which is effectively going to be unless you find somebody from the outside who you know isn't interested in being a candidate but would fill in I don't know how I feel about that either well I mean it worked good when we we had somebody before you came along um that worked good but that seemed like a really lucky find for a short period of time yeah an administrator is different I think than a poli I mean that's the I was CU I was trying I was trying to think about the you know the getting board piece too the um I mean you know you he's got he's got a family now so it's you know it's maybe something you think about as a family you know is you don't want to be in the a firefight every day right you know um be you know nice to go home um but is it going to be too much less but that's um one of the things be did say was um you know he wanted to be a working Chief and maybe that's how you handle some of that you know I mean you know that was kind of one of the I think one of the the rubs on a was was like well was going to you know be more of a person in the that was that was R I had to so I mean B I think would be the opposite and maybe that's how maybe that's how you relieve some of that is you know you okay if that's you know the the type you know personality are um obviously we don't you know we're not going to pay you a a chief salary to be sitting on Highway 10 all the you know that's that's what we pay deputies or officers for but you know in backup situations or in you know filling in for vacation somebody goes to court um you know yeah on occasion you can take a shift you know and that's um you know maybe that helps to because there's going to be some of that especially if we have the issues like we do with part-time yeah I mean if we're still not able to hire part ERS I mean that's going to put us in the you know the Lurch of needing a you know of a somewhat working Chief I mean not not that we're going to expect them to do a lot you know as far as being out taking a lot of shifts but until we get that you know that situation ratified I mean that's we need somebody that's willing to stand do if they need to did you ever ask brunt if he'd be willing to stay on part-time he'll have some restriction on it um I believe there needs to be a period of Separation before I have not fully researched that um and I think he has to walk away for a while yeah with no promise to come back um it depends he could come back in a in a covered capacity um as an employee and that's a waiting period or believe you can come back as a contracted employee um and that's sooner I would have to do some checking on that wouldn't this violate the no no no promise of for sitting here in November saying you're leaving December 31st but he all he already though committed to leaving so it isn't like he was still still deciding and weighing and and we came in as in in that deliberation and he said okay perfect that'll work perfect this is after the fact he's given his notice okay okay so just just not a promise of the same job the same the W2 same job continuing this would be it would coming back as a contractor is a different position there is an option to you could you could come back um on a phase retirement um where he can work up to 20 hours a week have have you had any conversations with them not about that but I have done a phase retirement with others in the past works pretty slow like so again it's going to be his willingness to to do that yeah that's kind of our option D doesn't sound like there's an overwhelming sense to move forward with any of the remaining candidates except for you Rick I think Rick's Point too is the other two finalists here won't submit they're gone in a I wouldn't consider a again just based off of that I'm talking BNC um you know that any future know application period they're not going to be there and then I look at the other two that we didn't second interview and go I don't want to inter I don't want to have a c candidate pool of 10 of them I mean these three were clearly better than the other ones m yeah mhm and knowing with as with the salary issues that we're likely to bump into that more and more see that with a more established longer term yeah my concern is anybody that we pick is going to be in that situation where they're going to be already making more than what we're offering for both B and C they are currently below below what yeah they would fall below the range and that's from an experience so that is kind of my I think we I think that's probably going to be our Target for the experience poll it can't be yeah it's going to be somebody in a sergeant position is where they're going to fall in salary rate Y at a bigger Department well then no matter what we do we're going to run into the same thing with candidates with lesser experience are coming yep off off the street to a desk position I think I I don't feel we're going to get a candidate that everybody likes that isn't already making more than what we're offering yeah it's possible we didn't see more candidate a because they followed the instructions and read the read the salary requirements and went NOP so um well the reason I brought it up before was sometimes people will apply for a position like that thinking that maybe they can talk them into more money MH well you tried I'd like to try to talk somebody into 40 extra thousand a year could have work on that well the other thing you could do is you could do a position assessment basically the kind of the leadership um evaluation that we talked about but just tweak it a little bit and not necessarily make leadership or component but check fit how expensive are those it's going to be a couple thousand we just we did that though I mean that was I mean it is one of the highest paid positions in the city based off of how many people well yeah but no I don't mean in evaluation of the wage I mean a personal a leadership type leadership you know a Martin mallister type uh look at I mean do you do that on both of them we could I mean I mean the hope is we're hiring a chief for for a long time you know $4,000 now is not a lot of money over a number of years provides you get the right person well I hate to spend the money I guess I would ra I would be more comfortable seeing what those outcomes are you know what I'm saying I don't like the idea of spending the money but but you're committing then I'd rather spend $4,000 you can do those without a conditional offer okay I'd rather spend the $4,000 than the wrong way then rather do that than run the again right yeah what's that cost well it's just the time and well that but you would pay an interim if we're going to get anybody better right but you also are going to pay an interim if you're not going to promote somebody within the department so you're going to pay that much you know I i' rather go that rout I I kind of would be interested to see what that showed I mean if if one is much stronger than the other then I feel like it kind of takes that guesswork out of our hands it gives us a tool at least to I don't know I mean is it an unreasonable thing to do no it's pretty standard stuff in the cities metro area standard I like that idea and that's not the psychological that would then come with assuming one of them you said okay to then that would be a conditional offer at that time based on psychological and a couple of other things Tracy what do you think I guess I'd rather know what they're I guess I'd rather know the results of the test versus but it's just a there's a fee for both and then you're just saying whoever ranks the best out of that well I I think if we do that and if it comes down to hiring B then it it it makes some equity in that decision it it says we were both qualified you know we were both considered it might make a working relationship down the road better if that's the direction that we end up going assuming they were to both come back let's just say similar good um I mean I almost have to go with B though I mean I don't know how you would I think they'll I the only but a problem is what we think they both lack is leadership so if that's truly what we feel is lacking then let's get the assessment and and have a better idea of really who is lacking or if neither are then we have a different discussion yeah I could I could agree to I can agree to that to do the assessment for both and so yep what's the duration of the assessment it'll just be get on scheduled okay um assuming we could get them in next week um that would be hopeful I'm going call first thing of the morning if they can get in the the report turnaround is a day so once they get in they get it down oh wow yeah it's a quick turnaround I can't say we'd have for the next meeting in November but maybe for the first one in December for you too well even if we had to do an our special meeting yep yeah I'd rather be getting on it and getting it taken care of okay if they can get in next week and you know a date that you'll have the report let's put an now on the calendar somewhere you need a motion for that if you want to that's I think that's probably appropriate we're spending money that way it's included in there then I'll make the motion to have the leadership assessment done for both candidates BNC okay second motion from Robin second from Mike though any other discussion sorry I if not those in favor can stay I opposed carried leadership assessment all right Council have anything else for the betterment not tonight not tonight thank you Rick second motion from Rick second from Robin all those in favor may say I 5:30 p.m. adjourned