good how you doing there boss are you on the agenda tonight sir for the name are are you you're together okay and sir it just came in the address William pza okay here's over there I mean it's we're just you can just watch our Mee we don't actually have to participation I mean you're not there I mean I don't think it's live live David's moving around so it's it's must be like a a layer of something yeah it's usually like there you go look now you just walked over there look so it's maybe like a 30 second delay oh say 6m old business but it's under new business 6 yeah here that's guy right there all right are we ready let's go ahead and get started all right um good evening everyone let's go ahead and get started um all right so this is the uh Planning and Zoning planning and design review board for the village of biscane park for February um 12th uh 2024 it is now 6:36 the roll call Edward Lea David grun here from here well as Rafael and Linda from the building department um we're going to go ahead and we're going to take the here and we're going to go into order of the agenda um should we motion to excuse Scarlet are we getting feedback no I was saying should we motion to excuse Scarlet yeah also can I get a motion to excuse motion to excuse Scarlet okay that was David Ed on pap say I I scard is excused also we're moving we're adding to the agenda we have a 7c 11807 Northeast 11th Place it's a new construction first review it was supposed to be on the agenda but um I guess there was a little confusion but since it's a discussion item we can go ahead and add it as a discussion 11 1807 Northeast 11th Place all right so next uh so the first item up will be 6D 10002 Northeast 118 Street re roof shingle to metal marinoni so it is it just has a 4 inch overhang can I'm sorry can you you're going to be testifying about it way the bo are lined up in several generations of Ruth is I can't extend it or create little gaps this big uh it's just aesthetically it's bad and it's more complicated it certainly needs to be okay um yeah there's a photo in the package thank you so I mean you're saying it's a 412 and so our code says on a 412 you have to have a um 12 inch over 12 inch overhang all the way around the perimeter and with a 6 inch face off and you're saying it's a 4 inch overhang so uh it's a for and the roof are so adjacent there there's very little elevation but be creating a 4in crawl space in between the garage and the house itself and elsewhere just to extend this roof just seems not aesthetically pleasing as what what you guys want yeah but I mean the code on this is very clear and what is required um and you know just I mean you even above the garage above the the front pitch uh gabled um I just don't see where it meets the the the code it's not even close to the 12 inch the most complic it was looking towards the front door from the driveway and my gaps of 4 and and I can't there's not even any room to extend the roof because of the other parts of the building yeah all that's is clear it just the out the outcome of that fact is that it doesn't comply with the code for metal roots right cod cod seems a little practical talk code we can do it yeah I mean for it's the code we can debate how practical or not it is but okay here we are yeah the only's here I'm here yeah so again unfortunately the code's very clear right so the house doesn't meet the criteria for a metal roof there Alternatives concrete tiles existing is an asphalt tringle understood top of the line the better ones yeah again shingle owner would like are not an option so yeah the owner would like something longer lasting and more wind resistant and when I'm extending rakes and drip you know I'm doing this with a frame that's not there I'm not attaching framings coming down the Raptor's coming this way and I'm trying to extend the hip roof that or gabled roof that way I'm creating a place for wind to come in to tear up something that's not I understand no one is suggesting you should extend the overhangs what we're saying is it doesn't have the overhangs required for a metal roof therefore it doesn't qualify as a candidate for a metal roof qualifies for concrete tiles other alter no again our hands are tied right it's the code oh we can we can untie anything we want we char No can't do that you said the homeowner is here does the homeowner yeah are you a I'm sure Mr Murphy's explained to you the code requirements for metal roof yeah yeah [Music] yeah want yeah actually George sir can you just go up to the microphone sir real quick please thank you yes I rather do metal because it's better for hurricanes and the extension on on the E is only Cosmetics because it's not to extent for Hans it's because somebody thought that we look better in the county there is no such a code it's only Forin Park we know that so we can not do that at least in those parts were going to be B I mean imagine the garage is here the porch is here and this roof will be low again I I understand if not why ask another another you know allowance for putting shingles back because we don't want shingles either I have top of the line shingles the architecture of shingles for 20 years they're fine but I think metal is a lot stronger for both I need a variance from from here so either we allow my metal roof or I will have to come back and as for another variance to put shingles again because I'm not going to be able to put tiles I already ask well so let me just clarify um it's either one or the other so there is an Avenue to put metal roof you just have to extend your overhangs and make it to 12in overhang all the way around the perimeter so there you do have an Avenue for um for for providing a metal roof um shingles you do have an Avenue for for replacing the shingle roofs you need to get an engineer have to ask if if we don't allow the then I don't want to extend the garage under my porch because then we'll create a situation when it rains sideways the water will come inside my porch so if they're meeting right now they're meeting at same Heights if I extend the garage will be underneath so either we don't do that and we allow metal or I will have to come back with another as for a variance for shingles again okay so just just to be clear there there actually are variances in our metal roof code so there's no variances you so your your your path forwards are extend the roof the create the necessary overhang for your metal get a Engineers letter for your shingles to prove that you're you the the the the the roof would not support a a tile roof and then or you could actually go in and Shore up your trusses and put a tile roof on it I mean that is that is a likely variation going so you have you have a path forward on three different materials if you'd like to pursue those three materials um but um it's up to you really which way you want to go and and how you like I would like to put metal but my variance that I need is not to extend the garage under my PCH I can put the rest of the thees extended but that part is a is a problem because it will will be a problem so if we cannot allow that little variance is not a lot is not the whole house it shuts that part then I would have to ask for an engineer to give me to assess that I really cannot put the tiles and and I will need shingles so it's either or I mean it's it's not a big deal it's just a little area it's maybe six feet 8 feet I don't know you're talking about this area over the garage the front front porch and the garage they meet the porch is flat the garage is is Gables so they meet at the same point if I extend the Gable down the front porch will be flat but will be higher than the garage I mean I'll let the the the other board members speak to this but but if the the the hip roof is metal and what are you what are you doing for the porch the porch looks like it has a little bit of a slope on it flat it's flat so it's a it's a builtup material flat okay H because it's trying to shift off of shingle I'm just asking he gets an engineer letter that says hey it can't support clay or tile or whatever would would does the code then allow us to approve a metal or the code would only allow us to approve for him to stick with redoing shingle it says shingle to shingle with mat shingle to shingle um I mean you do have a woodframe house I mean I think you would probably be able to find an engineer that agrees with you9 there's um that there's um but off off of this picture then wouldn't that be basically a continuation well that's my thing is is if you look at that flat roof it's technically the overhang for the roof above it yeah so you wouldn't so you're only really talking about over extending down the the the roof over the garage door yeah but if you're looking at there it looks like the garage and the the garage and the everywhere that's things yeah we're not we're not talking about the two Corner the two sides that's where the flat roof is okay but unfortunately the code is very clear too and so you know unless you're willing to make the the changes necessary we have to vote on the way the the the the permit is applied to applied now and you're only asking you're only providing a 4 inch overhang when then there's a 12inch overhang required so I'll have to take a motion well I mean I guess the question would be is If he if he denies it we he can reopen with the a letter on the same on the same one okay back Mo yeah so motion to deny second favor say I I was David so just um maybe have a meeting and you know think about which way you want to go forward all right next will be uh building 6f 1105 Northeast under 19 Street driveway William Pedraza thank you just go up there please few second yes you yeah I I sent drawing at all yeah did you send in a drawing of like what shape and the dimensions that you wanted to have for the I draw but I also I had I mean I did send uh like the survey that shows that that was the original driveway I mean I have pictures here because we we don't have a survey we just have like a detail that's been highlighted actually I mean I uh and the form's not completed not completely filled out I I got the approval that said that everything was sent and completed on my email so if you have the drawing then we can just look at it yeah sure maybe faster and rapael if you want to check in the open not even filled out end you've got an existing circular concrete driveway down duplex yeah so we've got some strips over here which I'm don't really sure what are never you don't know and then but how how wide is this this why not the par okay so this is just a very big all I'm is you guys me citation that I needed to enclose this I gu that that's gravel that oh yeah it's gravel gravel and the rest is gravel I'm sorry I didn't have a a white this is a concrete strip you're say grael gravel all this is gravel starters right doesn't really right right now this would count right that's on your property this is just an approach to get to your parking area right yeah you can have you can have additional guest parking or over parking in the sale but you have to first you have to meet the minimum parking on your site right which duplex yeah the problem is that parking doesn't count towards the minimum required parking because it nots on your problem first none of this is on my property this is right right then how how how am I driveway here my wall approach right you're allowed to cross the public right of way to get to your parking area right and you're allowed to parking in the soil as well but that parking doesn't count towards the minimum required parking to on your so for depending on the number of units bedroom house minimum right so You' have to show first say and I don't know it would be the number was that violation violation simply that the gravel wasn't Expos whatever it is he's here now for parking right he's here to comply with the driveway part is to close maybe what you whated you everybody we didn't decide it's in COD not but this property been here since 1954 like that and so it's new new from the what is the is that is that this that's this here we're looking at this no no no the wall the wall had to be here because you have to go all I don't think so I think you're being flaged for your driveway and your parking area all of that not complying with many or aspects of suppliance one is a maximum 4% right parking area right right now this is all I have four apartments and each of them have a this this right way which I never CH I mean and this is designed for the and that's grass grass and this is the wall up to this alley yeah there's no there's no parking or no entrance into this this is all closed off so this is all the parking yeah and I mean and then you guys added a new roll you know they pav it yeah well they didn't add it they paved it no no no but it was always cons it was almost like an it is it is an alley is it considered still an Al it's an alley that that is an alley okay so that but my at the end I came in here to solve the problem that you guys wanted nicely and you're willing to do that yeah of course here whatever you guys right and exactly so my goal was to go ahead and close it like the correct way and I sent pict chap 5.6.1 reference so so but but let's just let's just go into realization we have walls on the property line so so where else are we gonna have in Park parking yeah if you take this away from me what am I do not true this is grass here is this grass here yeah all this is grass this is just a pathway but all this is grass this is not just like a how many bedom toal so if we think about this way we have 75 fet plus 132 so that's almost almost 200 linear feet of RightWay so RightWay so if we take 40% of that um I all this is grass this is all grass all this inside is grass uh this is grass this is inside my yard all this ins all this is yard it's grass well maintenance you willing to put a border along the street up yeah oh that's that's why I thought I was here for just no I don't my only conc is divided three cars for the other apartments and G growing up it was my dad something yeah that's and I wrot down the actual s footage 25 yeah yeah so just your information right so we were trying to say your probably okay this whole area right all this area that's called Parkway right of all thatx which like close right because all this is grass that's okay and you know G was saying this is 75 this is 13 so you're a little over under which is this but then you've got grass here in some without having an exact you're probably not parking on more than think you're good there I'm trying to finding requirement so then one R many rules another rule is many bedrooms doile has five have like trigger yeah so so if you tell us it's five or four and whatever then there's a certain number of spaces that you have provide on your property and so the question would be let's say the answer is four spes right I don't know can we fit four ours in this no you can whatever so it's just literally fit go ahead just to FYI for four bedrooms or more you need three parking spaces plus one guess so can you get three parking spaces can you get three parking spaces in there officially the point is could I valet service they fit three vehicles on this and I EAS that's a 30 foot I mean I want to draw this it actually yeah right I can draw a this right for sure I can here here right three cards that's all so you met your onsite on property requirement spot doesn't appear to exceed 40% of the right of we that you're using for addition thank you so you're good on those so we're just looking for a border now you don't meet the border requir for wher you have gra that's what you're hear here for all of it but you're you're passing all the other parts of fly colors right you're down to the I know the off of the the one there's a picture that had like kind of a brick border right but then the driveway is concrete too right it's like this yeah this was just a picture there okay so then but basically because the concrete part that part that's your property yeah this is picture of Myer that's you already added no no no it's a photograph I actually like Stone in front of it it's of yeah that's a whole other issue have to resolve that borders right so the only other part of our codes driveway material so obviously if you came you want think making sure he's understanding the big picture so he needs to bring updated um Co um the uh the um survey and the um calculations the calculations are not correct but they're not they're not filled out correctly yeah but see that calculations all needs to be filled out you only filled out this little bit here because I honestly I I try to understand all right yeah I look at it and I'm like but for our purposes we need that I mean he basically has to do the width and the depth of that of that right away 3al okay yeah but but like for instance I don't have to do all this all I need to show is what my because we need to know what the total size of the lot is and so rest of the calculations you should be able to do off of that survey you shouldn't need to go and like walk it out you should be able to say oh this is how long this like the way that he was was able to say oh 75 by 132 yeah that's 75 by 13 care about the sale right now you'd be adding up the total area okay so outside that's called or right away fine so what we want to know is you already figured out the parking area which is 920 square feet by the way you would have to include though oh I would actually but yeah we need to include this best and then all this right because you're basically saying that's all so we want to know the total square footage of this divided by the total square footage of all of this make sure they already have yeah so if you already did this add that okay okay so that is actually total footage parking area should have been a divided by the total square footage of this whole RightWay area and make sure that this area is not more than 40% of all that we're at the table yeah I mean Sy yeah you don't I mean if you bring in if you just do everything that we said you don't really need to actually be here I mean you could um but it's always good to be here to to defend yourself second okay um Ed David all in favor say I I not voting on it y thank you sirc survey with the detail what the work that he's doing thank you all right next is going to be 6h 114 1145 Northeast 119th Street driveway Teresa Hayes okay just one second it's a mitigation of a water runoff and I'm going to contain the gravel with a geotextile fabric and GE grid M that is not that is on the other Street this is a house that has a um an apartment on Northeast 11th I believe hold on sure this is this you're not changing that so the part on 11th Court is the part that's not that's existing yes okay so is it a gravel driveway is just it's it's the exit of the other apartment and have a gate so there's no space for a driveway they just they're using that part and there's water accumulation so I'm trying to resolve the water runoff and contain the gravel and there's an apartment there so it's in the rear of the apartment so is there an alley there or something snor and Alley is there there's a corner property and on the other side uh they have an apartment and the exit of the apartment is right there on that on that street and they want to park the owner wants to park on the other side of the street is anybody else following that because I mean I'm looking at it and it says it looks like it's in the rear of the building no the building geotextile fabric isn't that the geile goes on the bottom and that is when the the W to contain the the toxics of the the water they just put these parts here because it was empty space in it where where the thing is is where it says the number 20 I thought that you just said that's existing no the existing is on the other side over here is 11 19th this Gra with the gech you haven't done that not nothing no no no existing before no no this no this existing that's what I'm planning to do to remove the m so this is a a gravel driveway on the side the 11th Court side with the necessary borders 18 12 12 and 12 20 inches wide you're using a geogrid to to to contain the I mean that's up to the building department and building official as far as what the underlayment and all that's going to be it's much better because otherwise the gravel is not contained by the border it's going to run all over the place well that's what the border that you're doing the 12 x 12 by when you do the geog greed it it keeps the the pebbles in whatever you put in place okay it makes it more you the border that as called out by our code yes and what color is the what color is the gravel and they didn't decide if they want gray or white they didn't decid it yet okay but they're providing off straight yeah for the the other side of the apartment uh I think it does definitely it does as long as it has the matches and it's a and it's a it's either a white or a gray gravel yeah it's gonna be I I told him to use gray because white is going to get very dirty so probably it's going to be great yeah are okay we can a motion on motion to approve David Ed all in favor say I I motion carries yeah 6 h thank you thank you next to be 6 I 11011 Northeast 9th Court uh fence LaMore yes okay okay wood fence aluminum so it's around the corners it's going across the back all what's the height say it's six feet six feet and what color is it white it's just a like a shadow box type of thing yes say I motion carries you're good sir thank you thank you it's to yes two fans and two different actually he would be the next one too anyway uh 6K 11102 Northeast 9th at court uh fence another fence for a little more yes the house yes not the no fence aluminum fence White so it lines up with the front Corners yeah goes across motion to approve David Ed on fa say I I carries thank you good sir all right next be 6m 11412 Northeast 8th Avenue pool and pool B Park 114 LLC so this is actually a revision hello so this permit was approved on 92723 originally okay it's just the uh we just changed the conf configuration from moving the sun deck area oh sorry it's moving the sun deck area from the front to the side of the property so you're still have a 11 foot plus 7 U 18t to the back property line the dimensions are all the same yeah yeah so it doesn't really affect the setbacks lot coverage looks like it's still within the within reason just had a curiosity how you dug the other hole yet or you haven't dug started di we dug the hole okay yeah then we decided to change motion to approve David there's another file here can we just do that quickly 6 Q is that possible well let us finish this one oh sorry okay okay motion carries okay you have 6 Q yes um okay 6 Q okay that's 11780 Northeast 8th Avenue New flat roof B Park 117 it's just flat roof that's it good to know thank you motion to approve I mean it says something this part it's it says reference um confirmed the new construction the entire Flat Road the entire home we yeah we approved a bunch of months ago the yeah yeah yeah so question colors matter right now oruh colors of the roof color is that something you need to know now or we just submit that well you're saying it's a flat roof isn't that a flat roof just I'm sorry is that what it has this so it shows them there's a flat roof that's being installed there's a new roof flat the application says new roof light that's for B Park 117 LL H it is not a flat roof okay then so that that that miss is it just a flat roof in the back it is a flat roof the other house is not a flat this is a flat roof my my my error my eror the other one is is not flat right yeah yeah near 113 isn't flat correct this one is a flat roof I apologize walk my kids by it all the time I was like I'm fairly certain this is no no so that disregard I thought it was the other one because we're in for another permit for that that one as well okay so motion to approve we're we're good with it okay um David Ed all I I carries okay thank you the mix up all right next will be uh 6n 11443 Northeast 6 Avenue re-roof tile to metal Pablo Marcos there's Murph again but it doesn't have any fascia yeah why do you have zero so this say 26 but then this facia says zero I mean it's Cur I mean it appears to be at least six inches if you added it up it's larger yeah it's one of those like belly time we approved roof at 119th and 8th Avenue with the exact same situation no we're not arguing we're just asking your your document said zero there's no phas saying probably not thee code has we don't want and the color is white oh that's for yeah okay bone white bone white not Stone white bone white yeah not glaring any but you do need the document that you you need to revise this document that it is six inches it has I mean it obviously clearly is what from the photographs but it's just saying the legal document you have it at zero it needs to be revised to say six sure yes second David or Ed David all in favor say I I I motion carries thank you folks night everybody thank to be 6r 11800 Northeast 11th Avenue real estate service service Real Estate Services 900 LLC this the new house so this is we've done two reviews I think and and we we said let's move it to this is actual approval huh I think we we can go up and look at it really quick yeah just point out any changes it was here this 36 started at eight yeah so the 28 here there we got to still get the text a little bigger that's full easier as my partner's uh doing he likes it small like let's just a little more legible so this is actually eight yeah yeah so this is their base flood elevation right7 plus one and then they're going 28 from here so to 36 28 there okay yeah it's the 36 okay like why would you draw that okay I mean I think we had a chang think we're good to go no we want we want we're ready to submit it too so we might have even already submitted I'm not sure second had a motion by add a second by David all in favor say I I motion carries thank you very much sir for working with us good luck on your project he had zero and next will be um 6s 11805 Northeast 11th Avenue uh driveway the armo that Circle there's no one for that okay we'll come back to that um 7A discussion 11041 Northeast 10th Avenue driveway Lio Blanco right he fall asleep all right so let's go let's you you want to show us some drawings correct no you want you have questions for us here let's well let's go there and [Music] let's cop okay right my question is uh the space that I have here I can fit three spaces here at first I thought 8 feet was too narrow when I started measuring cars in spaces 8 ft fine so got three cars and one and all permeable um permeable yes okay and the 30inch setback yep that's it I just to make sure so what are you what are you adding or what are you subtracting just adding this this one little space here this 8 by 16 yeah so I got one two three four okay that's it motion motion to approve to the approach and he's on the corner got huge amount oface I cars you have to upload this I I tried okay go ahead just this PL already approved and seal yes so it's a revision to an existing permit yes no he's adding this it would be no I didn't that was there other words that that approved survey I haven't touched until I showed up today all I want all I need to know to make sure make clear that that extra space there that I can put a car there oh that's it so this is what you guys have Prov before so it's already I haven't touched yet I haven't touched that so the question is can we park a car then that's the question yeah I mean this is oh okay so there there's no changes no okay no change so no no motion no nothing change my my big question is how do I keep my tenants from getting a ticket if they park there how do I know that it's proved you know do I get a ladder surf they shouldn't get a ticket I'm sorry if they're parking on a parking surface oh yeah yeah of course they won't get a ticket why would they get a ticket but it's outside the property no they won't they shouldn't get as long as their cars are on an approved driveway yeah and they're not parking on the grass then they they shouldn't be getting tickets for that and you're providing the three parking spaces on your property so you know like for my house if I I have a driveway and my my my part of my driveway goes across my rideway if I choose the park just in that front area they're not gonna give me a ticket for that well I don't know they're not gonna say you have to pull I would just wanted to make sure have a tenant get a ticket for par excuse me have you ever had a tenant get a ticket for parking no no no this I I right now I have a s and it's a asphalt and never had a problem there but it's ped messed up so it has to be replaced that's then the the fact came that no it's not only that you got to put your cars inside the property line yeah then on top of that there was the question of permeable and permeable and that's how we're here yeah well the issue is the issue is I don't think you have any parking spaces on your property so that so now you do but before you didn't right so that was the issue was you didn't have any parking space okay so now that you're actually providing those spots you can somebody can park out in the sale on the thing you're not you're not getting a ticket but I don't extra parking now you have extra parking so I don't I don't have to worry about this I don't that's approv so I can proceed you can proceed yes I'm trying to see if I can afford is pavers gravel or asphalt correct yeah so you can do pavers you just have to come in for a change of material if I have to if I do pay I have to come back all right but let me first I'll get the quot now now I can get a now I can get a definite estimate knowing that I can park in that little spot yeah perfect thank you only you're change you're good thank you all right all right next will be uh 7B 11503 noreast 11th Place driveway another discussion Coro is the name he you can go up to the microphone please yeah yeah I I submitted what Mr C gave me which it was the uh I have a copy here which I can give to can see it this has nothing it really doesn't have the meas more than what this yeah because I I had to change the so when they got the permit this is what they gave for and basically my issue is that I have the drain fueld here I have just so I can Orient myself and like this is over here basically only what we have the computer yeah so it's to the right of the um the tree this is here is the house here is a setic thing I have a picture you can see the water the only what's going on on yeah why not here is okay um I have an O tree I have an tree and there the root as you can see basically are coming up so in order for me to be able to put a driveway I need to remove the I already to an AR and another res was here I do that it's going to harm the tree so I cannot it's basically when i s the per I have to do like eight in of like four inches of one material and then the which is another four in but to do that they will have to remove the RO if I do that then me my neighbor house next they haven't cut that branch is here you see this BR here now and they told me that I on this is going compromise and the brch actually break because the main thing is that the root the you're say you want you want to put it way over here yeah like basically in line where the gate is here is the gate 30 in from the property you know what this Dimension is from from the edge of your drain field to here find here here here's what I would say kind of from a letter of perspective like if you do this and let's say that you put gravel here right and your concern is if I leave cars on this all the time that let's say that the septic is somehow underneath there because not giving you the best me did it I know that not in here like close to the my neighbor but it's more toward the like where the water line water yeah like it's more on this like this area Bas what be closer to that my so what we're saying is if you did that over there right you could become in compliant with the whole driveway thing and even if you're like oh crap am I too close to my septic right now it seems like you're probably driving over the roots of parking over here or parking I park we're jumping around like my car is my my husband and I so I park one car here and then I park the other one here so basically we just jump to see because when I Tred to I even got a ticket once so bottom you put a driveway over I here and then they gave me a ticket so you can put a driveway on this side property you just need to be 30 inches away from the property L your neighbor not very much yeah but that's the thing when I me it I mean if I do it in line with the um with the gate yeah is let's say it's not align with Bas but what he's saying is so if you take your property line and go in 30 in and then go in 8 feet from that pointt but that's what I'm saying if I do that i' that's why you don't have to have it go past the gate though yeah we don't for for for the record we don't care where your G right it's relevant to this conversation your gate somewhere over here don't care we know that this is 10 most likely your setback is 10 feet okay so you have if if you're looking at this point of your house here this is 10 feet so if you go out and yeah you have 10 feet between here and the property line so whatever basically my thing is there yeah yeah the answer is yes you can so what we don't know is where your drain field is relative to that but aside from that from the zoning code you can come 30 inches in from your property line eight feet is kind of minimum for our width and just got to go far enough back that you're parking you know on your property with this idea but this one it was like around 20 not 30 has to be but when you say you basically just would have it go as ites it's not relevant your property line go over I'm saying you're you you have to be so say this is your fence right let's assume that your fence is on the proper line which may not be right you just need to be 30 inches over which is old have more food you have more you have more you have 12 here is basic as you can see this area here it has to be close to the to this gate here but it doesn't again I don't know what what's happening from there back is not Rel from your property line you got to go over 30 inches from the property line by the way the fence that chain link fence is actually in your property right you need to be oh it's here oh you're talking about this one yes sorry so you actually it's even you don't have to be 30 inches from that fence because your property line is actually a foot outside of that fence right the chain link is encroaching into your property you measure from the fence in fo and a half 18 inch yeah 18 inches from that fence post where your edge of your driveway would need to be minimum get a survey lay that out but just looking at this and then 8 feet your your driveway is going to be over here that yeah basically and that it's probably plenty of room from where your field is yeah and when they us clean for all to be able to from wall where this little here 30 yeah 30 so it would need to go basically if it's a single car based off to basically Al yeah so two cars did did you take pictures when they dug all the septic out did you take Pi did like when I did mine I Mr did mine and I took tons of pictures so I know exactly where it's at and honestly I tried to find and it was so long ago that I don't I don't know if I changed the phone it looks like we've already approved to use this Con here so maybe you can just continue that onto the driveway yeah basically that that's my idea just we that in like go across yeah and I'll do because the only I that's you need to do right property line 30 in 8 foot come at least 30 feet onto your property from the property this you can park here right is in your s you can park there but the code requires you to provide two parking spaces inside your property which is about 30 32t so pretty much up to your house right well that's all you need to do again we don't know where your drain field is exactly so hopefully you have enough space this would be a compliant TR again we don't know where your drain field or re septic tank are right it seems like your seic tank is in the middle so it's probably not an issue dra Feld hard to say know um but putting that aside which we don't zoning point of view is you don't care where you're just could a driveway be there yes 30 in in your property line wide and I H well I guess they're getting people that are not parking on property they are parking on top of she doesn't have a driveway that's why you got a ticket you're not parked on the driveway but you don't have a driveway but that's what you're gonna face that's fine I believe I'm gonna give you a ticket so you don't feel left out in this ticket process are you're good do you understand what we the direction we gave us okay you have to you have to submit it for a permit this is just a discussion so yeah you'll submit a permit got it thank you so much no problem thank you have good night all right next would be 7c uh this was the one I added one 807 Northeast 11th Place this is new construction first review so let's go up to the front first thank you for the opportunity to discuss this GMO is the owner of the property um the idea this is a duplex lot for 14 so it's a single family now right but it's in a duplex Zone correct so you're proposing a new duplex correct it's a it's a new duplex proposed however the question I'm going directly this is has been already here the S plan everything that the architect this is a survey and this is a site plan everything is according to code we don't want to definitely go on on on on the details here because most likely the question to you guys is well yeah go I mean yeah I mean I don't know what you mean by code I mean I'm seeing first violation right there this is you have a 30 foot sight setback from the from this from the street from the property from the property so right here is 10 both streets frontages I don't I don't know what I'm I'm okay I'm just saying yeah yeah yeah that's fine that's fine but basically understanding this and and uh just just for me the property line is this one here yes yeah and here there's 10 it should be 30 and 30 because it has two frontes yeah when we ask a a lady and when we came with the she see the lady say that the same here and here only for the front is St not for the side know who Miss that's okay we can we can fix that or or or or do something different but so assuming you're going to draw a plan that is in what is the question that you the the question is this is a duplex so it's one folio yeah it's one folio for two legal dueling right for two one structure one structure one structure two units two units one folio one one folio one owner is there a way according to to the code of bcan Park to have a a separate folio in order to have like a town home land use to what in order to have one and the other one the idea is that his family plans on moving to one but as they have the capability of building two legal units they are thinking on hey what about if we can separate this into two different folos and whether he rent he sells it over whatever 75 minimum so this would have to be twice that but you have to you know you you you'd have to fall into the setbacks and you know separating a lot into two separate Lots then no yeah I I agree agree agree but it has to comply with if it you had to comply with a residential on one single family home of course this does not mean that criteria you have a 24 home right right right you need to have a 20 a 20 foot hole and you have to have 75 each lot right so if if is there I know Gage I know it was discussed but is there something that I that for D place a zone for duplexes if it's been turned into a single family it can't be turned back into a duplex no it can it can they can actually go back to duplexes I know that that was something in area zone for D in his area zone for duplex it is May had a duplex that duplex remed duplex Zone yeah is a duplex zone or and duplex Zone being the option of having two legal units but of course you can do an in-law in a big house that's another option this this is 11 place so um yeah it is have you have a 9,000 L the short answer is you can rent that second unit liit the other but right you couldn't sell one of the two point so single so so if we go or you rent both you're in both yeah yeah but he his plan is to move to work yeah so in order to have it be 30 and 30 in then it may make more sense but what you have to realize especially off of renderings like this too that there are second floor maximum lengths that can to distances on these lines so for instance this side here at 10 feet you can't be more than 30 feet and forg me a wrong but the back side is it can't be on the second floor or above 18 ft if it's closer than 20 which right now he's not which he's not now but if you reoriented this way no no prob probably they need to come up 20 ft here and the structure should be complying to the 30 and 30 in both Corners yes but then what I'm saying is is if you're doing something like this this Edge you couldn't have more than 30 feet on the second floor that is on the 10 foot line it would have to be the and and over on this side if you said oh cool I can go all the way I'll go all the way to the 10 foot line here then on the second floor it needs to be set in another 10t because it's back just go through it really that's all it didn't until October that wasn't on mun code like they didn't have the updated version of what the second floor and the max height calculations were but now that's on the the M code so if whoever is putting this together goes off of M code for the Heights and everything they need they need to comply on they need to pull that pull inside the second floor the l s is 14,600 14 you got 9,000 yeah so 120 sorry 120 times 755 27 9,000 so I don't know where what what happens if you add this 24 of that 75 I don't know why they have those two measures separated let's do that so 99 99 time 14 14,000 no we we T yeah what are you trying to Fig no I'm I thought that when we going through you realiz what the build area there's no there's no Town Homes right here in the skin Park we don't have Town hom we don't have town homs okay um analyzing and I I don't I make a question because I should but basically analyzing a change there or a variance there is not going to be how you see it I mean you're you're looking for something that's going to completely change the character of this neighborhood I would you know we're we don't have any duplex we're a single family nebor we have duplex is a variance even a pathway for changing the structure of zoning because basically saying yeah that's an open question basically me no no yeah I think the answer is no there is no various option to rezone the type of un also not yeah because then it's it's not just us it's also C County and back yeah yeah but I'm asking I'm asking to see if there is an object basically when you when you have a duplex and you have two units you have to do regardless of and you have two units that are in the same building together to Le a unit so here the only thing is that yeah it's splited and you have two different folios and you can do whatever you want with one or the other or it's all well the problem would be that would be okay so you have this nice building that looks like one building but you have one owner here that wants to paint this pink and this person wants to paint this bright blue bright blue they're two separate owners and then now we're going to end up having a house that has two different colors on it what if this has a roof on it and they want to do terracotta roof they want to do metal tile roof they're going to have one building with two different roofs on it you know that's that's kind of leads down the path of I I think that situation happens in every single town home where they are and that and and there but for example we were part of a town home in floridale and there are rules that basically they need to put together the four people need to agree on how to settle the things and basically everyone there are mechanisms for managing it the village doesn't have town homed with all those mechanisms I'm totally totally totally agree with that two seized roof one for no no totally agree basically the question here is and if if this is not the the situation needs to decide whether he wants to and only that I mean for his own sake one day he wants to sell if he if he had half he sold away now he's got half a lot to sell to someone you know who's better up keeping the whole lot renting one and the F wants to sell and that's another option probably the option is probably not having two houses the same but one I I think this is is viable right if you decide to say let let's assume we have here the 30 necessary 30 right 30 here and 30 here yeah but basically you can have an entrance you can have the entrance here you can have one entrance here and the other entrance there exactly so basically and and you can you can split the lot let's say here and here and that's it this guy has only this piece of land and you can rent it separate and it's a smaller unit or whatever it is there nothing that says that you have to the exact same no no no no totally agree yeah totally agree but basically you may you may have a like a mother maybe an don't like all no no no but what I mean it's an in-law doesn't necessarily have a two legal units right okay so the inlaw it's just a SE structure in this in this case would be no I prefer one one address in yeah for that way that in this and the other one address here and do whatever you want from that yes but not to difference one F yeah in one f one F yeah and and the one thing to to say you definitely want to try and keep that duplex other you AR going to be able to put like two in differents but your but the thing is is even if you put the entrance over here this address is still going to have to be it's G to have to have one unifying address so it'll be 11 it'll be whatever 1900 and this would be a and b yeah yeah so so just you could you could have it no it's a single it's a single to there's a single single house yeah so one thing you could check so I own duplex that's on Northeast did C we still all the time get mail for it's the address is 10920 but we all the time we get mailed for 10922 and every time there's a census they send me stuff saying you need to tell us to St 922 and then they keep threatening legal action I'm like it doesn't exist anymore so so there's a chance maybe depending and that was changed more than than 10 years ago so there's a chance maybe that it's still registered some somewhere with the USPS or something like that that they're registering it as a second mailing address it's a shot in the but okay we're getting um but you're you have 30 have 30 um just so you know it does say the orientation to be the front facade faces a primary secondary streets so you could do front and side Second Story placement like David was saying you have on the interior side you have a 30 foot max length um on the Second Story on the property line if not then you have to set it back five feet um and the back Lots interior Prim this is uh um that's 20 this is Lots interior that's not here wall plane shall be designed in such a manner to provide provide movement and articulation to prevent excessive blank walls okay so you would you would need to look at that um all portion the side of the building within the shall be designed in man as diminish billability to budding properties that's actually the other side let me take a picture of this page here that we were reading there just to make sure that we know exactly what page is it 18 I have the photo okay 26666 so it's not compliant the original home is non-compliant M you see yep so so you have a non-compliant structure on the on that property so so if you were to maintain that structure you could keep it in you could keep it but if you take it down you have to come into course of course we can keep it have addition you might want to consider keeping part of that keeping that house and putting on the addition around it at the 30 Fe okay because you have something that's non compliant that's sitting in the setback so as long as you don't demolish it by 50% you can maintain it yeah you can maintain that wall basically if you want to go here you need to go go to the set back you have to come back to the thir yeah anything new would have to be at the only you can maintain is that only this that wall okay the wall existing W um no super clear yeah I mean I just another observation too is you know we are a bird sanctuary with beautiful oak trees and you have a yard that has amazing amount of oak trees and it looks like you're taking up are amazing amazing no you're taking like you're not even considering no no no no this was this was a first draft to understand understand there's a lot of oak trees there some of them are already assessed correct assess they are already there to come down and there are hu huge trees on that seen so you know instead of leveling everything and starting over it would be nice to no the idea right now right now with with this with this uh with this confirmation it's okay now you need to sorry that I shift to span on now see if if you continue with this plan or you do a bigger house and a smaller unit there or you do only one house and that's it one house a little lady came okay is that your there was a nice little old lady that came in when she was buying us did she not end up buying it no I don't think her and her sister something like that were gonna buy it yeah I think no I don't know it wasn't it was no it wasn't there this is yeah yeah we we live we live just around the corner so unfortunately in the 119 I don't really consider this first review this is a discussion yeah probably yeah the news footage I saw you out there I I I live right I live right down the street I walk my kids kids that's like the only area where on that side of Griffin where you can safely like walk kids around as 119 in the cut to 121st and back and forth and I was like so I was super confused like how did that happen that deep in the street for I still am confused but like I assumed that it was something that happened at the very end of the street until I saw it the next day or whatever I was like how did they come through with that much speed that far down yeah I thought it was a hondai they said that it was a hondai oh thank you all right yes thank you all right we'll look forward to seeing your revised plans no problem we did it thank you all right so I'm just changing that to a construction review there was no release of plan submitted it was just U they just wanted to ask from the question is it this one on this side of the street yeah okay all right I have um minutes somewhere there all right I have minutes from our um January 22nd 2024 meeting I have to look up the them up and review them uh I oh really so I was like let me know I have not seen her since that happened so I don't know what the outcome was yeah I that I don't know that Parton I didn't ask that question but they happily were walking a do all approved all approved I just always look for anything that's a difference approve tabled tabled um whatever happened with the um hardboard new construction in front gate oh Sally bar she just talked about front gate you this one you just talked to us about the front gate size that's that's a Code Enforcement issue now um whatever happened with the carport on uh 7th Avenue right over here the carport with the little they've been cited they've been so there's a citation yeah okay and then the move the new construction we just voted on that so I have a motion on the minutes okay David Ed on say I I okay we're good 23 last time you missed cult EV ww it you yeah they I think they put the notice out that same day or something like that next Friday the 23d 7M can I see that really quick thank you yeah I just curious the one that we we actually um the one that we caught they they were putting the the roof on the back they wanted to enclose the roof or do something to the roof and we were like what is going on with that that kitchen inside of the the garage apartment that was 119th I think 120th 120th 835 existing so what is what's what's happening here on this one 835 Northeast 120th Street please Northeast 120th Street stop before that on on why does it say stop that's so they were here on the 22nd so what's after that of January that's November something so what about before that down no commission is permitted and cannot be used as there are although proved there are issues with the second building no kitchen is permitted so that's on the 23rd so that was the day after our meeting so what are they doing to bring that into compliance scroll down that's supposed to be a that's it public hearing thing and it didn't happen so some lawyer that lives on Griffin told her down she was like because that was that I guess there was some of just that side this was dated November 22nd next after that car so we just need to find out oh is she going to the party tomorrow night zoning disciplines so it needs to come to zoning but I know they had no kitchen so we haven't approved it is that red is that me I so I think that that's where the person was like Hey I looked into this they did this but they basically didn't follow the protocol so this is the comment that goes to building so it's not technically it's not approved by plan it's approv by you we only approved the metal the only thing that was approved was the thing that was applied which is the the metal roof on the back which was enclose existing patio that's the only thing that we voted on and that's the only thing we approved so the way that's worded it makes it sound like we approve the entire thing which we we do why does it say enclose existing Pao the only thing that we voted on was enclosing the existing patio is there a way of of just putting on there right now to the building inspector what is the the status of the second Kitchen on this and just let's be done with it but I need we need to know because I don't want them to issue the permit saying oh zoning approved it but it doesn't say that it doesn't say that here it says form new yeah well they were just but what is that enclos right there that's what we voted on put that right there want click on that that's what we voted on was enclosing the existing patio I bought send it back to the building official take a look at the second building these are all from last year this would have been after the 22nd can you go back and edit this because it should say your permanent application for the for the incl closed patio was approved that's the only thing that we approved yeah Linda Dyess please keep [Music] Che they only approv the come yeah just say the only thing that was approved which we just according to the minutes it closed existing patio was the only thing that was approved that be 22nd yeah only enclosed patio was approved on January 22nd January 22nd 2022 yeah um kitchen secondary kitchen is not approved and must be addressed by building efficient and must be addressed by the building official correct all right so next will be um no because we approved if you look at the minutes we that's we approved but that's not what says over there okay next would be 5A 111501 Northeast Avenue New gravel driveway Emanuel Ortiz old business a Ortiz the splitting of B Lots temporarily 12 by 14 12 and 14 so he wants to am I reading does it look like the this the the approach goes out to the property line or is it going out to the street looks like it connects to Northeast 10th well Northeast 10th also is split there so it looks oh that could be the median down the middle I see it's going to the Northbound side okay I mean I he's just putting a little gravel driveway right there motion to Pro it's gravel isn't it yeah but he put these two little pink blocks in like for parking things and oh we're just assuming he was doing that to show sign two different cars but okay so motion that there's no parking blocks now we know how to prank Ed drop parking blocks off yeah but the parking blocks is the thing that your wheels hit you're not allowed to have those you know what I'm talking about you can't have those little things that stop your call what no that's that's Turf that's Turf block that's fine parking block is that that thing you see in public parking lot when your cars go where you can't can't have those in residential neighborhood I David add you second up say I I um no we approved it he just can't it's kind of signified that he has those little blocks no parking blocks the next would be 68 525 Northeast under 19th Street New con concrete driveway Lisa McGee um David then yes by the way is any else really believe that those people are going to live in one unit and what their family Liv those are not developers yeah no absolutely it's uh we're doing 6A 525 Northeast on 19th Street yeah it appears that they're just doing doing the part that goes past entrance to the house yes yeah and because past that that part that they're doing is underneath like a fortif here Thing mo yeah that's right they have the little um things already this is over by where the car Crashers at motion to approve that was David Ed motion carries okay next would be 733 Northeast 18th Street flat re roof Ashley Skinner diagram this this a flat roof house what this side in the park 735 North Jesus on my oh it's oh that's right it's at the very end okay um who motioned I'm sorry Edward and then second if I did I I motion carries next will be S 6C 941 Northeast 19 Street new windows and door say what color they're all like fixed okay second David thday night nightes next would be 6E 10009 Northeast on 18 Street wood finin and Gates Jonathan Eastman um the part that goes in front of the cboard go SC is what little six foot gate in front of a carport what kind of cport are this it got a roof on it so this is next door to the one that we just approved 10009 Northeast 118th Street yeah it's kind of like part of the roof so I don't consider that really the front of the house it's kind of like a cboard so the question is is does the Post can the fence go to the front corner of the actual structure or does it have to be on the corner of that rport thing I feel like I've seen yeah I can agree it's not the actual structure of the house agreed well they actually are isn't there an easement there but what are you what are you questioning though on that side I thought it was a corner second the fence was going to the property line on second side yeah what they did is you can tell the surveyor just kind of did a little dump to that post at 11th Avenue that's what I missed yeah so this is actually next door to that house we is approved so they're they're getting the new next door neighbor with the two-story contemporary on the corner so um I'm good with this son second okay David say I I motion carries and next will be 6G 1110 Northeast 119 Street um slab Adriana Montes well it seems like it's an after this is an after fact for yeah so they built that deck in the back what little backyard they have we did we disapprove that driveway I believe last week or something yeah this is a weird is the height of this the height of the SL I imagine is basically on the ground because that would be the only thing that would have the issue with the it's that grade it's not elevator David Ed I'm good all right say hi hies next will be 6j 11095 griffing Boulevard new windows and doors that really big house isn't it only imagine what this bill is going to be like for all these windows and doors I think you could have for 2008 you could have so cheap it was crazy how big this house is and it went for like nothing if I remember second David carries those uh I mean just an fii but those windows have been getting installed over the past two weeks or three weeks VOD enforcement my little brother my little brother lives right across the street doing the installing those windows and doors for the past two weeks well thank God we approved them IM we imagine if we denied it we got attention they they still have the trucks that just have all of the number J 6j bottom of the first page I do feel bad though for that house the amount of people that use that as like a through Street to like cut over to get on their driveway yeah they like being in helping my brother do stuff in his front yard if you're there for an hour and they don't have cars parked in the driveway blocking it people knowingly will be like oh the traffic's backed all the way up here at rush hour and they'll cut across there to then get into FIS game to try and go somewhere else's I don't know it's right there 6 J yeah he's talking about that that's that's one he's saying that they're already doing the work they're already doing the work so we're doing U Carlos Pier sun room installation 11144 lot coverage still at 16% basically just closing yeah setbacks are 27 feet 29 29 he's fine well we just approved it how they got a permit already huh know how they have that you know how that house has that really big oversized garage so my neighbor that's been here since 1973 he says that the guy that built that garage that lived there used to do like those NH drag racing like the funny cars of Wheels kind small one all right they would build the engines in that garage and when they would fire the engines up he could hear it and it would make his window Shake on Northeast like four blocks away that's a cool story um I I don't have a lot of details on this but I mean the location on the lot looks good I don't have any what does this thing look like as far as elevations it's it looks like it's just like a panel flab Fab panel Fab ceiling some sort left elevations it's just it looks like it's all windows fix glass horizont a roller horiz on a rollers I mean they're going to have to come in for a window permit though that's the thing so we don't have any product approval on the windows so what they're asking to do as a General um an idea is correct but I don't see any product approval for the actual Windows unless what on what is this Elite aluminum panels yeah I mean technically really all they need is two other things a roof permit and a window permit as it you cannot see that house at all I'm okay with it second okay David say I I carries I mean they should come in there should be a window bur but the the overall design or the location the placement all that stuff is but they are technically putting windows so there should be a window permit correct you guys believe in it yes okay yes need window permit um next would be uh 61155 Northeast 11th place that house that we just said they have a um a fence on Google Maps they have a fence that pops out past the front of their house on 6L yeah the sun room one you can actually see it even on here so you see that that's a fence so I guess they're saying because it's behind that but I you from I was looking at it because of what he said but you can't see that part of the house at all but I guess it's behind that that one other but technically it's right now it's a porch which the fence could go around the porch to the front of the house so this house is just very non-conforming because it's only 20 feet away from the road yeah sorry I didn't mean to sorry so 60155 okay it's like three levels or something so flat GF mineral subsurface blah blah it's all motion to approve David Ed all Pap say I I motion carries next will be 6p 11755 griffing Boulevard new fence Kathleen gains around the back with the corner lot six foot high replace existing foot high vence of closing Gates there's a little pool back there looks fine second David I motion carries r a candy sweet um so the last one I called hold on did did we do six Q yeah that's the one where the second page was kind of difficult it was the guy that forgot that that house was the flat so it's 6s 11805 Northeast 11 Avenue driveway [Music] Yu not showing an approach but do they have their calculations yeah I'll look it up to see if it's just that's the same one point it's 42% and [Music] 13 I mean what is the material it's the last one okay I mean do we want to have a some dimensions on this it looks pretty you know like typical little driveway yeah it's and it looks like from Google Maps that is just replacing what's currently there we can we prove it pending Dimensions providing dimensions and then the chair can review yeah I mean you know theirs tell you 12 by okay so as long as it's that yeah because right now it's just gravel that is like no borders anywhere just kind of goes all over but it looks like it's that same shape yeah I mean just updated dimensioned say and Theo they don't have an approach they need to show an approach that was Ed David all in favor say I iation carries okay all right so what what was the 6r 6r was house yeah I was like it doesn't have a thing in here so yeah all right so our next meeting is going to be 26 everybody good with that you let Scarlet now oh is that the one on the oh okay good like Paul George you ever get a chance to do one of his tours it's really nice okay he he's uh involved with history Miami Museum and so he does like tours of like uh like you can do like a tour of like Miami city cemetery or stiltsville or a m he does a cruise up the river I've done that one before the Fullman up the river uh not yet so any other business guys motion to adjourn sir my motion we are adjourned