##VIDEO ID:EgjRD9flLVo##  THEN  AN EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE 19TH 2024 MEETING OF THE BLOOMINGTON PLANNING COMMISSION.  FOR THE AUDIENCE WHO IS HERE IN CHAMBERS AND ALSO ON TV THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS MADE UP OF SEVEN MEMBERS. WE HAVE FOUR PRESENT THIS EVENING. EACH MEMBER VOLUNTEERS THEIR TIME AND IS A BLOOMINGTON RESIDENT MEMBERS ARE APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.  THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS ADVISORY TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR MOST ITEMS THE COMMISSION MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE CITY HAS FINAL DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY. THERE ARE CERTAIN APPLICATIONS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN APPROVE OR DENY ON ITS OWN SUBJECT THE APPEAL OF THE CITY COUNCIL FOR EACH ITEM THERE WILL BE A STAFF REPORT THEN A CHANCE FOR THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEN A CHANCE FOR THE MEMBER FOR ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY AND THEN THE COMMISSION WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND DISCUSS THE ITEM BEFORE THE ACTIVIST TAKEN THIS EVENING WE HAVE FIVE STUDY ITEMS SO THERE WILL BE NO PUBLIC TESTIMONY THIS EVENING.  OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS TONIGHT IS THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. PLEASE STAND IF YOU'RE ABLE TO SUE THE FLAG THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT SAYS ONE NATION UNDER GOD INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL .  ALL RIGHT. OUR FIRST ITEM THIS EVENING IS A SMALL BUSINESS CODES AND PROCESSES. UPDATE PLANNING SUPERVISOR JOHNSON YOU HAVE THE STAFF REPORT THANK YOU CHAIR ALBRECHT AND PLANNER CARSON AS WELL WILL BE JOINING ME.  I WILL SHARE MY SLIDES HERE FOR YOU.  LET ME KNOW IF YOU CAN SEE THAT LOOKS GOOD. OKAY SO YEAH STUDY ITEM WELCOME QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSION. UM, SO THIS IS AN ITEM ON THE 2024 PLANNING COMMISSION WORKPLAN AND UH, IT WAS ACTUALLY ADDED BY THE CITY COUNCIL SPECIFICALLY AT THEIR REVIEW IN JANUARY OF 2024.  SO HERE'S JUST AN AGENDA SLIDE KIND OF WHAT WE PLAN TO PRESENT TO YOU. THERE'S SEVEN SUB TOPICS SUB PROJECTS HOWEVER YOU WANT TO REFER TO THEM AS AS PART OF THIS BROADER PROJECT. AND SO WE'LL KIND OF GO THROUGH THEM ALL BUT PLAN TO JUST PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND PRESENT THE TOPICS I'LL GET INTO SPECIFIC ANALYSIS ON EACH OF THEM AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE BULK THE PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION AND DO LIKELY WE'LL DISCUSS AND TRY AND GET SOLICIT FEEDBACK FROM YOU AS WE GO THROUGH THE TOPICS AND THEN JUST PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW. I QUICKLY TO YOU ABOUT OUR OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITIES AND THEN KIND OF OUTLINE WHAT THE NEXT ARE HEADING OUT FROM THESE STUDY SESSIONS.  SO AS I MENTIONED THIS WAS SPECIFICALLY ADDED BY THE COUNCIL BOTH THE BLOOMINGTON FORWARD 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE FIVE YEAR BLOOMINGTON TOMORROW TOGETHER STRATEGIC PLAN.  BOTH HAVE COMPONENTS AND ELEMENTS THAT ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE KIND OF DIRECTIONAL GOALS OF THIS PROJECT.  I'LL HIGHLIGHT THE BEATTIE PRIORITY NUMBER THREE EQUITABLE ECONOMIC GROWTH AS A KEY COMPONENT HERE CONSIDERATION SIMILAR TO THE STREAMLINING ORDINANCE DISCUSSIONS THERE'S SOME SIMILAR THEMES AND THIS ONE IS BASICALLY JUST TO LOWER BARRIERS FOR BUSINESS FORMATION AND OPERATIONS MOST OFTEN CASE THAT COMES IN THE FORM OF JUST THE MONETARY COST IT TAKES TO BUILD OUT A SPACE OR SET UP A BUSINESS BUT CAN ALSO RELATE TO JUST KIND OF ONGOING OPERATIONAL ELEMENTS.  THE BUSINESS IS OPERATING AS WELL.  UM ONE OF THE CONSIDERATIONS THOUGH THAT I WOULD ASK YOU TO KEEP IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND SO MANY OF THE THINGS WE WORK ON OR DISCUSSED IN THE ZONING CODE ARE REALLY THEY'RE INTENDED BE TO MAINTAIN OR SUPPORT THE PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY AND WELFARE YOU ALWAYS HEAR THAT PHRASE WITH RESPECT TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND SO AS YOU KIND OF THINK THROUGH SOME OF THESE BROADER PERSPECTIVE CHANGES, I WOULD ASK YOU TO KEEP THOSE CONSIDERATIONS IN MIND AS WELL JUST IN TERMS OF WHAT THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS ARE OF THE CHANGE.  I SHOULD MENTION AT THE START I'M SORRY WE HAVE SUPPORT AND SUPPORT FROM OTHER PROFESSIONALS HERE WITH US THIS EVENING ERIC SOLELY FROM ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH IS HERE. HE'S ONE OF THE KEY CONTRIBUTORS TO A LOT OF THE BUILD OUTS FOR RESTAURANTS AND OTHER SMALL BUSINESSES IN BLOOMINGTON.  SO HE'S VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT A NUMBER OF THESE THINGS AND BRIAN HANSON JULIE LONG ARE BOTH HERE OF COURSE AS ALWAYS AND CAN SPEAK TO SOME OF THE UTILITY TOPICS WE'RE GOING TO COVER . SO YEAH FIRST TOPIC IS OR I'M SORRY THESE ARE THE THE PROJECT TOPICS SIX OF THEM NOT SEVEN I'M SORRY BUT EXTERIOR MATERIALS AND COATINGS PARKING FLEXIBILITY REFUGE AND RECYCLING STORAGE ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT SCREENING AND ODOR CONTROL AND GREASE INTERCEPTORS.  AND SO ONE COULD ASK HOW DO WE ARRIVE AT THESE SIX SUB TOPICS OR PROJECTS? CERTAINLY COUNCIL PROVIDED SOME DIRECTION AT THEIR JANUARY REVIEW WHEN THEY ADOPTED THE WORK PLAN BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT I WOULD SAY THAT THESE ARE KIND OF THE MOST FREQUENT POINTS OF FEEDBACK WE GET THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY WHEN THEY'RE APPLYING FOR DEVELOPMENT OR BUILDING PERMITS OR OTHER THINGS THAT THEY'RE WORKING WITH ON OUR ZONING CODE . SO I WOULD SAY THE LIST WAS BUILT JUST THROUGH THEIR DIRECT FEEDBACK INFORMED BY THEIR DIRECT FEEDBACK AS WELL . SO WITH THAT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO DAKOTA. HE'S GOING TO PRESENT THE FIRST TOPIC HERE SO GOOD EVENING COMMISSION SO.  I SUPPORTED THE RESEARCH ON THE EXTERIOR BUILDING MATERIAL COATINGS AND SO WE CONSULTED SOME THE NEIGHBORING CITIES AND THEIR CODES AND HOW THEY HANDLE EXTERIOR MATERIALS.  WE HELD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH SOME LOCAL ARCHITECTS TO UNDERSTAND THE LOCAL CONSTRUCTION KIND OF CURRENT CONSTRUCTION TRENDS AND MAYBE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'VE RUN INTO ISSUES WITH IN PREVIOUS PROJECTS IN THE CITY AND THEN OF COURSE CONSULTING WITH DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS HERE AT THE CITY TO KIND OF INFORM THIS WORK. SO I'M JUST GOING TO TOUCH ON THE HIGHLIGHTS THE FIRST ONE BEING EXTERIOR COATINGS. SO OUR CURRENT ZONING CODE DOES NOT ALLOW PAINTING OR COATING OF PRIMARY EXTERIOR OR BUILDING MATERIALS. THIS HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS IN AN ATTEM TO AVOID SITUATIONS WHERE BUILDINGS HAVE DEGRADED MATERIALS OR PEELING PAINT. THIS PROVISION IS OFTEN QUESTIONED BY A LOT OF BUSINESS OWNERS WHO ARE LOOKING REFRESH THE LOOK OF THEIR BUILDING PARTICULARLY OLDER BUILDINGS ARE BRICK OR STUCCO IN THE CITY SO THERE'S KIND OF , YOU KNOW, SOME THINGS TO THINK ABOUT OR KIND OF WHAT THE C ONE SIDE AND WHAT'S THE TRADE OFF ON THE OTHER SIDE. AND SO WE KIND OF HAVE THREE OF THEM LAID OUT THERE YOU KNOW PAINTING BRICKER CAN TRAP MOISTURE AND RESULT IN DISINTEGRATION OF THE BRICK IT CAN REQUIRE REGULAR UPKEEP OF THE PAINTED SURFACE AND THEN IT CAN MASK, YOU KNOW, THE BRICKS, NATURAL TEXTURE AND COLOR.  AND ON THE FLIP SIDE, THERE ARE NOW MORE OPTIONS BRICK PAINTS AND STAINS THAT SUPPORT THE BREATHABILITY OF BRICK.  THE CITY DOES HAVE BUILDING MAINTENANCE STANDARDS THAT CAN BE ENFORCED WHEN WHEN A BUILDING IS IN DISREPAIR WHETHER IT'S OR NOT. AND THEN PAINTING CAN BE A COST EFFECTIVE TO REFRESH AN OLDER BUILDING. SO I THINK KIND OF WITH THOSE FACTORS IN MIND STAFF IS PROPOSING TO ALLOW COATING OF MOST EXTERIOR BUILDING MATERIALS INCLUDING BRICK WHILE ENSURING OUR BUILDING MAINTENANCE STANDARDS ARE ENFORCED.  THE SECOND MAIN AREA RELATES TO OUR PRIMARY AND SECONDARY MATERIALS.  WE CURRENTLY HAVE AN 85% AND 15% RATIO FOR PRIMARY AND SECONDARY ON SCREEN.  THERE ARE JUST SOME DIFFERENT EXAMPLES OF WHAT WE CURRENTLY KIND OF CONSIDER PRIMARY AND SECONDARY MATERIALS. THIS RATIO DOES GET RAISED TIME TO TIME BY ARCHITECTS OR BUSINESS OWNERS AND THAT THAT THAT RATIO CAN LIMIT EXTERIOR MATERIALS THAT ARE MORE COMMON CURRENT CONSTRUCTION TRENDS AND SO WITH THAT AND TO HELP BRING US INTO MORE ALIGNMENT WITH SOME NEIGHBORING CITIES STAFF WAS PROPOSING A 6535 RATIO FOR PRIMARY AND SECONDARY MATERIALS RELATED TO THAT WE ALSO WANTED TO PROVIDE CLARITY IN THE CODE ON ON THINGS THAT WE'VE ALREADY KIND OF CONSIDERED ACCEPTABLE MATERIALS BUT MAYBE AREN'T EXPLICITLY IN THE CODE BUT KIND OF FALL UNDER THE CATCH ALL OF YOU KNOW UNEQUIVOCALLY MATERIAL AS APPROVED BY THE ISSUING AUTHORITY AND SO JUST WANTING TO BE MORE UPFRONT SO ARCHITECTS CAN READ THE CODE AND AND REALLY JUST UNDERSTAND WHAT IS ALLOWED AND WHAT IS NOT ALLOWED ONE OF THE THINGS IS ARCHITECTURAL CONCRETE'S KIND OF CONCRETE PANELS OR CAST IN PLACE CONCRETE IS REALLY EVOLVED AND CAN COME IN A VARIETY OF TEXTURES AND PATTERNS AS YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE SCREEN YOU CAN MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT'S BRICK BUILDING EVEN THOUGH IT'S ALL CONCRETE. FOR EXAMPLE.  AND SO JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE REFLECTING ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT PATTERNS TEXTURES IN THE CODE WE DO HAVE LIKE ONE MINOR EXCEPTION THAT WE WERE EXCLUDING THE RATE OR VERTICAL STRIATIONS FINISHED THAT'S KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED THERE.  AND JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU THAT EXAMPLE OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, STAFF KIND OF INTERPRETED THAT MORE AS AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING AND SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO NECESSARILY OPEN IT UP TO ALL COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY DISTRICTS. AND SO THE DEFINITION IS KIND OF MAKING THAT EXCEPTION FOR THE RICHTER VERTICAL STRETCH AND FINISH THAT THAT THERE ARE THEN SIMILAR TO SIMILAR NOTION ARCHITECTURE CONCRETE MASONRY UNITS HAVE COME A LONG WAY THAT AGAIN COME IN A VARIETY OF OF TEXTURES AND SHAPES AND SO JUST WANT TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT IN THE AND THEN I WOULD SAY THE LAST MAJOR UPDATE WITH THE PROPOSED 15 TO 35% SECONDARY MATERIALS SOME OUR BUILDING AND INSPECTION STAFF AND FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD WANTED TO JUST ENSURE THAT THERE WERE SOME ADDITIONAL FIREPROOFING REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO ETHERS BECAUSE IN THEORY IT COULD NOW BE ALLOWED ON ON MORE MORE OF BUILDING FACADE THAN PREVIOUSLY. SO YOU'LL SEE SOME LANGUAGE IN THERE ON THAT TO TALK ABOUT THAT AFTER IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS AND THEN JUST MINOR LANGUAGE CHANGES JUST TO ENSURE THERE'S CONSISTENCY THE DIFFERENT CHAPTERS IN THE CODE . YEAH. THANK YOU DAKOTA. AND JUST AS A REMINDER WE WILL CERTAINLY TO THE CHAIR AND COMMISSION'S PREFERENCE ON WHETHER TO DO QUESTIONS OR PROVIDE KIND OF IN BETWEEN EACH SUB TOPIC OR IF YOU WANT TO HOLD THAT THE END WE CERTAINLY CAN FOLLOW YOUR LEAD ON THAT PREFERENCE. I THINK MY PREFERENCE IS TO DO IT AS WE GO BECAUSE I THINK WE'LL KIND OF MISS SOME GREAT I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION AND WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE RIB SPLIT THERE ON THE SCREEN AND THEN THE MATERIAL WITH THE THE LINEAR MATERIAL WILL THEY LOOK FAIRLY SIMILAR? SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? YEAH CHAIR ALBRECHT AND PLANNING COMMISSION I WOULD SAY THERE'S NOT A TON OF DIFFERENCE SOME OF THE THE RIB SPLIT IS MAYBE A LITTLE BIT WIDER. I'M KIND OF IN THE I GUESS I'M GOING TO CALL THEM COLUMNS EVEN THOUGH I KNOW STRUCTURALLY THEY'RE NOT COLUMNS ON THERE. I THINK THE REASON WE DIDN'T MAKE THE EXCEPTION TO THE CONCRETE MASONRY UNITS CURRENTLY WAS THAT THIS IS CONSIDERED A SECONDARY MATERIAL AND SO IT ONLY BE ALLOWED UP TO 35% OF THE FACADE BUT SO IF THERE'S FEEDBACK O THAT OR QUESTIONS THERE THAT THAT WAS KIND OF THE REASON FOR THAT. YEAH OKAY.  QUESTIONS COMMENTS.  COMMISSIONER CURRIE, THANKS. SURE.  YES. I DON'T KNOW MAYBE I'M THINKING ABOUT IT THE WRONG WAY BUT IT SEEMS TO ME I DON'T I MEAN IF OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO MAKE THINGS EASIER FOR SMALL BUSINESSES TO OFF THE GROUND AND GET GOING OR GROW TO ME I WONDER I MEAN I GUESS I CAN THINK OF YOU KNOW, A LAND'S PLANS SMALLER LANDSCAPING BUSINESSES OR OR YOU KNOW, WINDOWS AND SIDING BUSINESSES THAT MAYBE OWN THEIR OWN REAL ESTATE. BUT OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF HOW MUCH CHANGING OUR MATERIAL STANDARDS ARE GOING TO BE AT THE END OF THE DAY SUPPORT SMALL BUSINESS BECAUSE I THINK INVESTING COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE IN THE FIRST PLACE IS AN INEXPENSIVE THING DO SO THEY PROBABLY ALREADY HAVE A RUNNING YOU SHOULD ALREADY PROBABLY HAVE A RUNNING BUSINESS TO SOME EXTENT THAT'S DOING FINE OR HAVE SOME SORT OF INVESTMENT AVAILABLE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. SO I DON'T KNOW MAYBE I'M MISSING SOMETHING BUT THAT'S JUST COOKED IN . YEAH. COMMISSIONER CORY, I THOUGHT THE THE SAME THING. I THINK A LOT OF SMALL BUSINESSES AT LEAST IN MY HEAD ARE GOING A STRIP CENTER OR SOME BUILDING THAT'S OWNED BY SOMEBODY ELSE. AND SO I DON'T KNOW IT FEELS LIKE THE PEOPLE DEVELOPING BUSINESSES ARE NOT NECESSARILY SMALL BUSINESSES. I KNOW I'M GENERALIZING I THINK I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT ALONG THAT LINE THIS INCLUDE LET'S SAY TENANT IMPROVEMENTS AS WELL SO IT LETS IF IT IS A SMALL BUSINESS GOING INTO A CENTER AND THEY WANT TO MAKE SOME SORT OF MAYBE IT'S LIKE THE THING THAT I'M THINKING OF IS THE PIG EAT MY PIZZA BUILDING GREAT IT'S ITS OWN BUILDING I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ACTUALLY OWN THAT PROPERTY BUT THEY'RE GOING IN THERE SO DOES THAT INCLUDE THE TENANT IMPROVEMENTS AND THAT LOOK TO IT AS WELL YEAH CHAIR ALBRECHT AND PLANNING COMMISSION THAT IS CORRECT SO YEAH THE EXTERIOR MATERIAL STANDARDS WE CURRENTLY HAVE AND THEN ANY PROPOSED CHANGES APPLY TO ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION AS WELL AS ANY KIND OF I GUESS REHAB OR KIND OF THAT RETROFIT IN AN EXISTING SURE. SO I WOULD AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CURRIE AND COMMISSIONER COOKED IN THAT I COULD SEE AN ISSUE OR NOT NECESSARILY THE IMPACT ON SMALL BUSINESS MAYBE NOT AS STRONG FOR THIS ONE EXCEPT FOR I DO BELIEVE THAT THE IF THEY'RE DOING IMPROVEMENTS WHICH I THINK LOT OF BUSINESSES TRY TO DO WHEN THEY GO INTO A SPACE I THINK IMPACT THERE AS WELL. CHAIR ALBRECHT IF I MAY JUST ADD TO THAT DAKOTA DESCRIBED IT WELL AND I AGREE WITH WHAT HE SAID. I THINK THE ONE THE ASPECT OF THIS PARTICULAR SUB TOPIC THAT WE GET MOST FEEDBACK WOULD BE THE PAINTING BECAUSE WHEN SOMEONE'S MOVING IN THEY WANT THE DOOR OF THE BUILDING TO REFLECT THEIR BLACK BRAND EXCUSE ME SO THAT ONE DOES HAVE A MORE DIRECT LINKAGE WITH BUSINESS STARTUPS AND FORMATIONS.  MOST LIKELY WE DO SEE SOME SMALL ADDITIONS FROM TIME TO TIME OR  OUT THE EXTERIOR MATERIALS THAT'S GOING TO BE HAPPENING IN A BUILDING ON LYNDALE NOT BY WHAT I WOULD CALL SMALL BUSINESS BUT OOPS BUT KIND OF SIMILAR THE LINES OF SOME OF OUR OTHER PROJECTS WHEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO YOU KNOW EVALUATE WHAT OUR ZONING CODE STANDARDS ARE WE WE TRY AND SEIZE ON THAT OPPORTUNITY AS WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE PLAN TONIGHT ONCE YOU KIND OF BUDGET OUT OR FRAME A PLAN FOR THE ENTIRE ENTIRE YEAR'S WORK SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT YOU'VE BEEN MEANING TO LOOK AT FOR SEVERAL YEARS I CAN GET LEFT BEHIND AND SO I THINK ONE OF THE ONE OF THE THINGS WE WERE THINKING IS JUST TAKE A BROADER LOOK AT OUR EXTERIOR MATERIAL STANDARDS BECAUSE.  THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO AND IT'S BEEN FEEDBACK WE'VE BEEN GOTTEN FROM ARCHITECTS, DEVELOPERS IN ADDITION TO SMALL BUSINESS MORE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT PAINTING BUT SOMETIMES ABOUT ADDING MORE SECONDARY MATERIALS ON THEIR STOREFRONT WHICH THEY'RE CAPPED AT 15%. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE THINKING THERE. GREAT. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER.  THANK YOU, HAMPSHIRE. YEAH, I AGREE THAT.  I THINK THAT YOU KNOW, MARKETING THE PACKAGE AS SMALL BUSINESS INCENTIVE PROBABLY ISN'T ENTIRELY OBVIOUS.  BUT I DO THINK THAT ANYTIME WE CAN OFFER MORE CLARITY UP FRONT ANY BUSINESS IT'S GOING TO BE HELPFUL. I I DO THINK AND I APOLOGIZE IF THIS WAS IN THE MATERIALS AND I MISSED IT I'M RECOVERING A COLD SO I MAY HAVE HAVE MISSED IT BUT I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY KIND OF LANGUAGE IN THERE OR WHETHER LANGUAGE COULD BE ADDED ABOUT REUSABLE REUSE REUSE ITEMS AND MATERIALS TO GET BACK TO OUR SUSTAINABILITY GOALS FOR THE CITY.  ANYTHING THAT CAN PROMOTE THE IDEA OF USING THINGS THAT ARE MORE SUSTAINABLE IN NATURE I THINK WOULD BE BENEFICIAL PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING MATERIALS.  YEAH. CHAIR ALBRECHT COMMISSIONER WHITE YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. I WOULD SAY IN OUR CURRENT EXPERIENCE MATERIALS AND THEN IN THESE PROPOSED CHANGES THERE IS NOT SPECIFIC CRITERIA OR ANY LANGUAGE RELATED TO SUSTAINABLE MATERIALS.  I KNOW THE ONE THING THAT RELATED TO THAT IN SOME OF OUR CONVERSATION ARCHITECTS IS AROUND UM, YOU KNOW WE KIND OF HAVE NATURAL STONE AS A PRIMARY MATERIAL AND THEN WE SAY MANUFACTURED STONE IS A SECONDARY MATERIAL AND MANUFACTURED STONE CAN BE A MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY MATERIAL.  YOU'RE NOT QUARRYING IN A NATURAL STONE BUT WE DIDN'T PRESENT THAT CHANGE HERE.  IT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE THAT COMES TO MIND BUT SO NO SPECIFIC THINGS IN THERE BUT A GOOD FEEDBACK TO KIND OF THINK ABOUT FOR SURE.  I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION IN OPPORTUNITY HOUSING ORDINANCE THERE IS SOME INCENTIVES REGARDING EXTERIOR MATERIALS.  WHAT WHAT ARE THOSE INCENTIVES . YEAH CHAIR ALBRECHT AND PLANNING COMMISSION SO CURRENTLY THE INCENTIVE IS OF YOU KNOW THEY HAVE TO AT LEAST PROVIDE 9% OF THEIR UNITS AT 60% EMI AND THEN IF THEY PROVIDE MORE IT'S A GREATER INCENTIVE BUT IT THAT CURRENT INCENTIVE ALLOWS ANY FACADES DON'T FACE A PUBLIC STREET TO HAVE WHAT WE WHAT THEY CALL IN THAT THE CODE ALTERNATIVE MATERIALS SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE FIBER CEMENT SIDING IF THERE'S SOME OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE KIND OF CALL MORE SECONDARY MATERIALS SO KIND OF AS AN INCENTIVE TO HAVE MORE COST EFFECTIVE MATERIALS ON THE FACADES THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE FROM THE PUBLIC STREETS TO DO THAT. AND SO THE THE CHANGE THERE WAS KIND OF PRESENTED IN THE PACKET WAS JUST TO MAKE SURE IF MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THE SECONDARY MATERIALS THAT THOSE ALIGN IN THAT SECTION TO JUST HAVE CONSISTENCY ACROSS THOSE TWO SECTIONS. GREAT. THANKS COMMISSIONER CORY.  THANK YOU CHAIR. ONE MORE THOUGHT ON THE ACTUAL THE BENEFIT I SUPPOSE YOU KNOW IF AGAIN IF IT'S JUST LIKE LANDSCAPING BUSINESS IS JUST KIND OF WHAT COMES TO MIND IF SOMEONE OWNS A OR HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE A SMALL BUILDING FOR YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO FOCUS ON MATERIALS SUPPORTING THE INCREASE OF MAYBE LESS EXPENSIVE MATERIALS THAT IMPROVE THE LOOK OF THE BUILDING.  SO IF THEY HAVE YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAVE DEBT ON THEIR BUSINESS OR DEBT ON THEIR REAL ESTATE OR SOMETHING THEY COULD POTENTIALLY ADD VALUE MORE EASILY TO TO THE REAL ESTATE AND HELP, YOU KNOW, IMPROVE THEIR YOU KNOW, IMPROVE THEIR FINANCIAL BEING I SUPPOSE AS A BUSINESS. SO JUST A THOUGHT.  COMMISSIONER COOKSON THANK YOU. I'M SURE I'D LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE COATINGS.  I DON'T KNOW MR. JOHNSON WHAT DOES WHAT IS STILL REQUIRE A PERMIT OR WHAT ENFORCEMENT IS THERE TO KNOW THAT SOMEBODY IS USING INAPPROPRIATE MATERIAL TO COAT THEIR BRICK. YEAH.  CHAIR ALBRIGHT ACTUALLY DEFER THAT QUESTION TO DAKOTA. HE KNOWS THIS ISSUE BETTER THAN I DO AT THIS POINT. OH, SURE. AND SO CHAIR, THE COMMISSIONER COOKED IN SO IN THE CURRENTLY THERE'S NOT A I GUESS PERMIT PER SAY AND JUST IF THEY ARE MAKING FACADE IMPROVEMENTS OFTEN THAT IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE FINAL SITE AND BUILDING PLAN THAT WOULD GO THROUGH STAFF REVIEW AND THEN YOU KNOW WE CAN ADD THE CONDITIONS OR YOU KNOW CHECK TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE NOT PROPOSING TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ALLOWED TO BE COATED AND KIND OF RESOLVE THAT THERE BEFORE WE APPROVE AND THAT ADMIN SITE AND BUILDING PLAN BUT THEN ENVIRONMENTAL HAS ADOPTED OR THE CITY HAS ADOPTED THE INTERNATIONAL PROPERTY MAINTENANCE CODE STANDARDS AS WELL. SO WE PULL FROM THOSE TO DO ENFORCEMENT ON ANY KIND OF FACADE THAT'S IN DISREPAIR RELATED TO PAINTING OR NOT. YEAH. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT A PERMIT PER BUT IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO PAINT THEY'RE BUILDING THEY HAVE TO COME TO THE CITY FIRST TO GET APPROVAL OF THEIR MATERIALS, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S MAYBE WHERE I CAN SHED A LITTLE BIT OF LIGHT IS MORE OF THE HISTORIC PRACTICE BECAUSE GLEN COULD REMIND US WHAT THE DATE OF WHEN THE COATING RESTRICTION WAS ENACTED.  THERE WAS MANY COMMERCIAL AND INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS THAT WERE PAINTED BEFORE THE PROHIBITION AND THOSE ARE ALLOWED TO BE REPAINTED AND SO WHEN THEY WANT TO SOMETIMES WE GET A PHONE CALL OR A QUESTION ABOUT IT WHEN THEY WANT TO PROCEED REPAINTING THEY CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND DO IT. IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A PERMIT UNDER THE STATE BUILDING CODE SO SIMILARLY OF HOW YOU'RE TREATING THOSE LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING BUILDINGS TODAY MOVING FORWARD IF YOU REMOVE THIS PROHIBITION IT WOULD JUST BE A THEY COULD JUST CONDUCT THE WORK. ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE CONTEMPLATED INTERNALLY IS WHETHER OR NOT TO DEVELOP LIKE A GUIDE OR RECOMMENDED PRACTICES BECAUSE YOU KNOW SOME COMMERCIAL PAINTERS VERY FAMILIAR WITH HOW TO PAINT AND TREAT THESE TYPES OF SURFACES SOME ARE SO AND SO THAT'S KIND OF ONE OF OUR IDEAS JUST A CUSTOMER SERVICE STANDPOINT AND JUST FOR YOU COMMUNITY ESTHETICS THAT IF WE GET THESE INQUIRIES IN THE FUTURE WE HAVE SOME MATERIALS TO PRESENT TO THEM SO THAT THEY'RE AWARE THAT THERE ARE SPECIFIC PAINTS FOR THESE FOR THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF EXTERIOR MATERIALS. SO IS A WAY WE COULD FORCE THEM TO COME BEFORE THE CITY APPROVAL OR IS THAT NOT SOMETHING WE COULD WE COULD DO ? GO AHEAD. YEAH. CHAIR ALBRECHT COMMISSIONER COOKED I WOULD SAY YEAH, THERE IS THERE IS A WAY WE COULD HAVE IT IF WE WOULD LIKE IT AS KIND OF A ZONING PERMIT PROBABLY THROUGH AN ADMIN FINAL SITE AND BUILDING PLAN IF THAT IS DIRECTION OR PREFERENCE I WOULD SAY IS PROBABLY THE MOST LIKELY SCENARIO IF YOU WANTED KIND OF A FORMAL APPROVAL YOU COULD CERTAINLY DO THAT. IT'S JUST NOT CURRENTLY PROPOSED IN THE CHANGES. SO MADAM CHAIR, I THINK THAT'S HOW I GET COMFORTABLE WITH THIS OTHERWISE THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO USE THE PROPER MATERIAL AND THEY'RE JUST PUTTING HOUSE PAINT ON THIS THING OR WHATEVER AND THEN WE END UP WITH PEELING BUILDINGS AND THE QUALITIES WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID. WHEREAS IF WE HAD PEOPLE YOU KNOW, THEY HAD TO COME BEFORE THE CITY THAT WHEN WE WERE IN CITY STAFF OR WHATEVER I DRIVING AROUND AND THEY SEE A BUILDING BEING PAINTED THEY KNOW WHETHER THEY'VE APPROVED THE MATERIAL OR NOT. SO I'M NOT SURE I CAN BE COMFORTABLE WITH THIS CHANGE WITH WITHOUT THE CITY HAVING SOME APPROVAL OF MATERIAL.  ANY OTHER THOUGHTS FROM OTHER COMMISSIONERS ON THAT?  I'M JUST AS TO WHICH IF WE PUT THAT THAT IN PLACE, AT WHAT POINT WOULD THAT WHAT IT EVER BE DENIED? SO SORT OF . YEAH DON'T ASK THE QUESTION IF YOU DON'T WANT THE ANSWER OF SITUATION.  SO CHAIR ALBRECHT IF I CAN PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE FOOD FOR THOUGHT ON THIS ONE AND I WE'VE HAD THIS SAME DISCUSSION INTERNALLY SO IT'S VERY MUCH TRACKING WITH WHAT THE BEST WAY TO PROCESS THAT WOULD BE ULTIMATELY WHERE WE LAND IT AS A STAFF BE NOT TO REQUIRE AN ADMIN AND THE REASON BEING IS THAT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE A PERMIT ASSOCIATED WITH IT. THERE'S NO FORMAL AND SO ONE OF THE CHALLENGES YOU CAN CERTAINLY GET PEOPLE ON THE RECORD TO WHAT TYPE OF PAINT OR MATERIAL THEY'RE GOING TO USE BUT IF THERE'S NOT A FORMAL INSPECTION THEN CERTAINLY THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU LOOK AT AND YOU TALK ABOUT IN TERMS OF AN ENFORCEMENT BUT WITHOUT THERE BEING THE THE INSPECTION UNDER THE STATE BUILDING CODE , YOU KNOW, IT WOULD EASY TO KIND OF DO THE SWAP OUT WHATEVER MATERIAL SUBMITTED IN YOUR ZONING APPLICATION. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN'T IT THAT WAY AND I THINK THIS FEEDBACK IS GOOD EXPRESSED TO THE COUNCIL FOR SURE AND THINK ABOUT WHAT THE BEST PROCESS IS MOVING FORWARD BUT IT'S ALSO JUST GOOD TO BE AWARE OF WHAT THE CHALLENGES AND REALITIES ARE AS WELL. WITHOUT A PERMIT YOU ARE RELIANT THE COMMERCIAL CODE ENFORCEMENT TEAM JUST BEING RIGOROUS AND REGIMENTED ABOUT DEALING WITH ANY KIND OF MAINTENANCE ISSUES PEELING PAINT OR WHATNOT. THAT'S WHERE THE RUBBER WOULD MEET THE ROAD AND JUST FROM AND DAKOTA KNOWS THIS BETTER THAN YOU SO I'LL ASK YOU AS WELL BUT I THINK OF THE COMMUNITIES SURVEYED THAT ALLOW SOME FORM OF COATINGS NOT HAVE A PERMIT PROCESS OR I FORGET TO GO TO OH SURE YEAH CHAIR OF THE ACCIDENT COMMISSION. YEAH JUST.  LOOKING AT SOME OF THE NEIGHBORING CITIES AND SOME COMPARISON CITIES I WOULD SAY IT'S ACTUALLY PRETTY EVEN THEY EITHER JUST EXPLICITLY DON'T ALLOW CODING OR THEY DON'T REALLY LISTED IN THE CODE AT ALL AND DO ALLOW AND THEY KIND OF JUST TREAT IT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS OF KIND OF WORKING WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER TO KIND OF SHARE THOSE BEST PRACTICES BUT THEY DO ALLOW THE CODING AND THEY DON'T HAVE A FORMAL PERMIT PROCESS FOR THAT.  THE CITIES THAT I MENTIONED DIDN'T HAVE A TON OF CONCERNS OR DIDN'T SHARE ANY MAJOR HORROR STORIES BUT CERTAINLY NO PEELING PAINT OR THINGS LIKE THAT AND THEY KIND OF RELY ON THAT COMMERCIAL CODE ENFORCEMENT ASPECT OF IT . COMMISSIONER UPTON YEAH, I'M SURE MY LAST THOUGHT IS GOOD PAINT EXPENSIVE AND SO I DO THINK THERE'S A RISK THAT IF THERE'S A VERY ATTRACTIVE CHEAPER OPTION THAT MAYBE THEY LAST TEN YEARS INSTEAD OF 40 WE MAY HAVE BUILDING OWNERS TAKING OPTION.  I TEND TO AGREE WITH THAT. HOWEVER I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S LIKE MR. JOHNSON SAID I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S A HIGH PROBABILITY OF A SWITCH OUT AT THE LAST MINUTE THEY'LL SAY THEY'LL DO THING BUT THEN NOT AND IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY SORT OF ENFORCEMENT ON THE BACK END OF IT IT'S SORT OF ENFORCEMENT IT'S THE SAME ENFORCEMENT ONCE THAT STARTS PEELING OR BECOMES AN ISSUE. SO I WOULD AGREE STEPH ON THAT AND SHARE NOT TO BELABOR THIS THIS KIND OF POINT BUT I MEAN IT CAN GET VERY GRANULAR EVEN BEYOND THAT WE REQUIRE A 30 YEAR WARRANTY METALS AS PRIMARY TO COUNT AS PRIMARY RAW MATERIALS FOR EXAMPLE IT'D BE QUITE EASY AND IT WOULD BE HARD TO CHASE DOWN OF THIS TYPES OF I GUESS GAMESMANSHIP OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DESCRIBE IT BUT THEORETICALLY IT COULD BE QUITE EASY TO HAVE YOU KNOW, A CERTAIN WARRANTY MATERIAL ON THE FIRST BUILDING PERMIT THAT GETS SIGNED OFF AND APPROVED BY THE PLANNING STAFF AND THEN ULTIMATELY LATER INSERT SOME OTHER MATERIAL ALONG THE LINES. AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT YOU KNOW ARCHITECTS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY ARE DOING THAT AS A GENERAL PRACTICE I THINK WE'VE HAD REALLY GOOD RESULTS IN TERMS OF THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT IN BLOOMINGTON BUT YOU CAN KIND OF WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU CAN KIND OF EXPAND THIS ISSUE TO A WHOLE OF OTHER THINGS WHERE IT'S JUST VERY HARD UNLESS HAD AN ARMY OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT INSPECTORS AT EVERY TO KIND OF KEEP FULLY ON TOP OF SO SOMETHING TO BE COGNIZANT OF BUT IT'S GOOD FEEDBACK.  ANY OTHER DISCUSSION QUESTIONS COMMENTS ON EXTERIOR COATINGS ? MR. CURRY SIR, THANK CHAIR SO JUST IN GENERAL IN TERMS OF ADJUSTING THE PERCENTAGES OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF MATERIAL ON THE EXTERIOR OR IS THIS A QUESTION REGARDING THE ENTIRE CITY OR SPECIFICALLY BUSINESSES WHICH WOULD QUALIFY SMALL AS SMALL BUSINESSES BECAUSE I THINK IT'D BE ONE THING TO APPROVE THIS OR TO PROVIDE SPECIFICALLY FOR SMALL BUSINESSES BUT ANOTHER THING TO APPROVE IT AS A CITYWIDE UPDATE YEAH.  CHAIR ALBERT COMMISSIONER CURRY THESE PROPOSED CHANGES WOULD BE CITYWIDE SO NOT NECESSARILY JUST FOR SMALL BUSINESSES FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY AND THAT'S THE WAY OUR CURRENT EXTERIOR MATERIAL CODE IS SET UP AS WELL.  COMMISSIONER COOK TWO THANK YOU. I'M SURE THE MORE I THINK ABOUT THIS ONE THE LESS IN FAVOR OF IT I AM. I MEAN WHENEVER WE HAVE SEEN AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION IT'S ALWAYS BIG DEVELOPMENT, IT'S HUGE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS ,IT'S A NEW WHATEVER I DON'T EVER SEEING A SMALL BUSINESS BEFORE US THAT'S BUILDING NEW REAL ESTATE WHO'S ASKING FOR A DEVIATION IN THEIR EXTERIOR MATERIALS. I JUST DON'T EVER RECALL THAT HAPPENING BUT WE DO SEE THIS EVERY YEAR WITH NEW APARTMENT DEVELOPMENTS AND STUFF AND SO I THINK THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES HERE IS THAT WE'RE REALLY HELPING OUT BIG BUSINESS AND JUST GETTING LESS DESIRABLE EXTERIOR ON OUR BUILDINGS  COME COMMISSIONER KIRKTON WOULD YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE SOMETHING IN BETWEEN THE 85 AND 65% WOULD YOU WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE WITH SOME LEVEL OF REDUCTION?  I MIGHT GO TO 75 BUT YOU I HATE THROWING NUMBERS AROUND AND I DON'T HAVE EXPERTIZE ON SOMETHING LIKE WHAT A 75 YOU KNOW LIKE I TRY TO MAKE DATA DRIVEN DECISIONS IN MY HEAD AND SO IT'S IT'S HARD FOR TO SAY THAT RICHARD CURRY THANK YOU CHAIR THAT YEAH I MEAN I AGREE I THINK YOU JUST KEEP IT ALL THE SAME BUT POTENTIALLY IN THE INSTANCE OF SMALL BUSINESS MAYBE OWNS THEIR OWN 10,000 SQUARE FOOT INDUSTRIAL BUILDING OR MAYBE AN OFFICE BUILDING THAT'S OF THE SAME SIZE MAYBE THEY HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY IF THEY WANT TO DO AN ADDITION OR REDO THE EXTERIOR TO IMPROVE THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY. THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY INSTANCE OF I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU EVEN MANAGE THAT BUT THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY INSTANCE THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE IN MY MIND I THINK IT WOULD BE HARD TO QUALIFY WHICH IS A TECHNICAL SMALL BUSINESS BASED ON WHAT INCOME IS OR WHAT THEIR REVENUE IS AND WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. I IT WOULD BE RESTRICTED. I'M JUST WE'RE PROBABLY SPEAKING TOO MUCH BUT IS THERE SOMETHING ABOUT OWNER OCCUPIED THAT WOULD SURE SATISFY YOU? I'M SURE I MEAN THERE ARE GROUPS OBVIOUSLY THAT ARE OWNED AND OCCUPIED.  HEALTHPARTNERS, FOR INSTANCE, OWNS THEIR OWN OFFICE BUILDING BUT MAYBE AT UNDER A CERTAIN SIZE UNDER TEN OR 20,000 SQUARE FEET AND THEY OWN AND OCCUPY IT MAYBE QUALIFICATIONS LIKE THAT.  YEAH. CHAIR IF I CAN ADD A LITTLE BIT OF COMMENTARY THAT AND THIS MIGHT RELATE TO OTHER ISSUES THAT WE DISCUSSED THIS EVENING BUT AND GLEN MIGHT KNOW SOME OF THIS YOU'VE DONE ME WORK WITH THE PORT AUTHORITY AND OTHER COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC EFFORTS AROUND TRYING TO WHAT SMALL BUSINESSES ARE AND KIND OF DEVELOP POLICY GEARED TOWARDS THOSE. ONE OF THE WHAT YOU CAN LOOK AT NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES CAN LOOK AT SOME OTHER THINGS TAX STATUS BUT ONE OF THE CHALLENGES OF THAT IS WHEN YOU HAVE FRANCHISE TYPE OPERATIONS AND THOSE TECHNICALLY MEET EMPLOYEES THRESHOLDS BECAUSE THEY'RE INDEPENDENT OPERATORS AND SO IT GETS A LITTLE STICKY AS WHAT I'M GETTING AT AND AND I DON'T KNOW I DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT ANSWER TO THAT RIGHT OFF THE SPOT BUILDING SIZE COULD BE SOMETHING TO TO LOOK AT CERTAINLY IF I'M JUST KIND OF PROVIDING A BROADER SUMMARY OF WHY WE LOOKED AT THIS ONE WAS JUST THE OPPORTUNITY TO WAS THAT WE DO SOME REQUESTS FOR EXTERIOR MATERIAL CHANGES ON STOREFRONTS MULTI-TENANT SOMETIMES RELATED TO BRANDING AND THE THIRD WAS I THINK JUST ANECDOTALLY FROM THE FEEDBACK WE'VE BEEN GETTING IS THAT WE WERE A LITTLE OUT OF STEP WITH SOME OF OUR PEERS WHICH I THINK DAKOTA'S RESEARCH PROBABLY AGREED WITH OR ALIGNED WITH IN TERMS OF WHAT OUR RATIO IS EVERY CITY IS GOING TO HAVE LITTLE NUANCES AS TO WHAT COUNTS AS A PRIMARY VERSUS SECONDARY MATERIAL AND . OURS IS EVEN I THINK LESS COMPLEX THAN SOME HAVE CLASS ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR OR FIVE MATERIAL AND IT GETS VERY COMPLICATED QUICKLY. SO I'M GLAD  THAT'S NOT WHERE BLOOMINGTON IS THAT IT JUST MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR ARCHITECTS AND STAFF BUT JUST PROVIDING A LITTLE MORE SUMMARY AS TO WHY WE INCLUDED IT IN THE PROJECT BEFORE SO I'M SURE CAPTAIN I JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE COMMENT ON THIS AND I, I KNOW WE'VE SEEN A COUPLE OF APPLICATIONS COME THROUGH AND SAY IT YOU KNOW THEY'RE PUSHING OUT DEADLINES BECAUSE CONSTRUCTION IS TO EXPENSIVE AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND I'M I'M GUESSING SECONDARY I'M ASSUMING THAT SECONDARY MATERIALS ARE SIGNIFICANTLY CHEAPER THAN PRIMARY MATERIALS GENERALLY.  AND SO FOR ME I AM IN FAVOR OF THE STAFF PROPOSAL HERE IN THAT I THINK WE'RE MOVING INTO A CHALLENGING ENVIRONMENT FOR CONSTRUCTION AND IF WE CAN THROW A LITTLE BIT HERE AND THERE, I THINK IT'S IT'S A POSITIVE THING. I'M SURE THANKS.  BUT I'M SURE WHAT WORRIES ME A LITTLE BIT ESPECIALLY AS WE LOOK AT SOME OF THESE SECONDARY MATERIALS LIKE IFRS AND VARIOUS MID SIDING AND STUFF I KNOW A LOT OF OUR NEIGHBORING CITIES ARE USING THOSE BUT LIKE I'M NOT SURE WANT OUR CITY TO LOOK LIKE THOSE THESE SORT ODORKY SUBURBS WITH THESE GIANT STRIP MALLS FULL OF FIBER CEMENT PANELS LIKE A LOT LIVING TEND TO LOOK LIKE THAT LIKE IF THEY WERE FOR TOO MANY ARCHITECTS BUT IT JUST KIND OF GROSSES ME OUT LIKE I, I DON'T KNOW TO ME THE LION'S SHARE OF THE BENEFIT WITH THIS ONE GOES TO BIG DEVELOPMENT AND YES THERE WOULD BE SOME BENEFIT TO SMALL BENEFIT BUT I BIG DEVELOPERS ARE WHO'S WHO'S WINNING WITH THIS ONE RIGHT THANK YOU. I THINK IT'S GOOD FEEDBACK I GET A SENSE TOO AND I WANT TO RELITIGATE IT BUT I SENSE A LITTLE BIT OF A MAYBE A SPLIT THERE AND THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S IMPORTANT FEEDBACK FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER SO WE'LL KEEP MOVING. THIS IS A PROJECT TO PARKING FLEXIBILITY SO AS MAYBE LONGER TENURED MEMBERS ON THE BOARD MAY KNOW BUT OFTEN SOMETIMES WE GET REQUESTS FOR FLEXIBILITY TO OUR OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS SO.  OUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS ARE DETERMINED AND ARE BY USE BASIS TYPICALLY BY A SQUARE FOOTAGE RATIO OR SOMETIMES BY DWELLING UNIT OR AMOUNT OF SEATS IN A RESTAURANT THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT LITTLE SPECIFIC CHARACTERISTICS THAT DRIVE THE PARKING REQUIREMENT AND OUR PARKING ABOUT ONE OF THE OTHER PROJECTS ON 2024 WORK PLAN ACTUALLY WAS ASKING TO LOOK AT THIS SPECIFIC QUESTION BECAUSE WE WANTED TO SEE WHAT OTHER FORMS OF FLEXIBILITY WERE OUT THERE BY RIGHT TO KIND OF HELP MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT EASIER BECAUSE ANECDOTALLY ONE OF THE THINGS WE EXPERIENCE WITH NEW BUSINESSES TRYING TO MOVE TO BLOOMINGTON IS SOMETIMES THEY'LL BE LOOKING AT A PARTICULAR SITE. IT HAPPENS TO BE A WALK IN STRANGE SITE WITH A LOWER PARKING COUNT AND IF THEY WANT TO CHANGE FROM USE AX TO USE WHY USE WHY REQUIRES MORE PARKING USE X THEY EFFECTIVELY CAN'T MOVE IN AND SOMETIMES WE'VE HAD PERIODS WHERE THERE'S SOME BUILDINGS REMAIN VACANT FOR AN PERIOD OF TIME ON THE BASIS OF NOT BEING ABLE TO FIND THAT LIKE FOR LIKE OR USE FOR USE SWAP SO THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WAS THE MOTIVATING FACTOR ON ON THIS ONE TO A DEGREE. SO WE ARE RECOMMENDING SOME CHANGES OUR PARKING FLEXIBILITY REQUIREMENTS BEFORE I GET TO THE FLEXIBILITY ABOUT BUILDING REUSE PROPOSED JUST SOME NOTES ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER ONES SO WE OFFER PROOF OF PARKING SHARED PARKING LINKAGE TO MASS TRANSIT ON STREET PARKING AND THERE'S THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT FLEXIBILITY AS WELL.  BUT WE ARE RECOMMENDING SOME CHANGES WITHIN THOSE EXISTING FLEXIBILITY MEASURES JUST TO CLARIFY WHO THE APPROVAL AUTHORITY SHOULD BE ON THOSE MOST OF THEM ARE JUST CLARIFICATION IN THE CASE SOME OF THEM ALIGN THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE IN STREAMLINING. SO IN SOME CASES PLANNING COMMISSION GAINED APPROVAL AUTHORITY OF SOME APPLICATION TYPES THAT THEY DIDN'T PREVIOUSLY HAVE AND SO IF THEY WERE SEEKING THIS FLEXIBILITY OF PARKING YOU WOULD WANT THE APPLICATION TO STOP AT THE AT THE BODY THAT HAS THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE IT TYPICALLY.  SO IT WAS ADDING THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN IN THAT CASE AND SO JUST A POINT ABOUT THAT AND ABOUT IT ALIGNING WITH STREAMLINE THE PIECE ABOUT THE NEW FLEXIBILITY THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING HAS TO DO WITH BUILDING REUSE SIMILAR TO COMMISSIONERS WHITE POINT ABOUT TRYING TO ENCOURAGE KIND OF SUSTAINABILITY AND KEEPING THE OLD BUILDINGS FULL I MENTIONED KIND OF THE SITUATION ON THE SLIDE HERE IS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT WHERE YOU HAVE A SMALL OFFICE BUILDING JUST UNDER 5000 SQUARE FEET IT ONLY HAS 13 PARKING STALLS SO IT'S ACTUALLY TECHNICALLY LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING.  OUR OFFICE PARKING REQUIREMENT CURRENTLY BUT OFTENTIMES WILL GET BUSINESSES LOOKING AT A TYPE OF BUILDING FOR POTENTIAL BUILD OUT AND REUSE SITUATION AND IF THEY CAN'T MAKE THE PARKING REQUIREMENT THERE'S REALLY NO PATH FORWARD FOR THAT BUILDING TO BE FILLED BY ANY USE OTHER THAN OFFICE FOR OR A LOWER DENSITY USE. SO WHAT NEW POTENTIAL FLEXIBILITY WOULD OFFER IS FOR JUST FOR COMMERCIAL OR INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS 10,000 SQUARE FEET OR LESS IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU LIMIT THIS TYPE OF FLEXIBILITY TO SMALLER BUILDINGS BECAUSE THE LARGER THE BUILDINGS GET AND THE MORE PARKING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT EFFECTIVELY. SO LIMITING IT TO A CERTAIN SIZE IS ONE WAY TO KIND OF CURB THE SCALE OF WHAT THE POTENTIAL FLEXIBILITY IS.  ANOTHER PIECE OF IT IS THAT THE SITE HAS TO BE DETERMINED AS WE'VE DRAFTED IT HAS TO BE CONSTRAINED IN SOME WAY. SO IF THERE IS AN ABILITY TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING STALLS ON SITE WHICH ISN'T OFTEN THE CASE NECESSARILY BUT SOMETIMES THE CASE THEN THAT WOULD BE KIND OF AN TEST OF WHETHER THIS CAN BE SUPPORTED. THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A DETERMINATION THAT IT IS A CONSTRAINED SITE AND THEN RELATED TO THAT ALSO NO NO PER PROPOSAL FOR SAFE TRAFFIC CONCERNS OR NO PROPENSITY FOR TRAFFIC SAFETY CONCERNS IF HAD A VERY CONSTRAINED PARKING LOT AND YOU HAD PEOPLE COMING IN GOING FOR A MORE INTENSE USE, THERE COULD BE SITUATIONS WHERE PEOPLE BACKING OUT IN BACK INTO THE STREET BECAUSE THEY CAN'T TURN AROUND IN THE PROPERTY AND SO THAT WAS ANOTHER THING THAT WE WANTED TO ASSURE IS THERE'S ADEQUATE VEHICLE ACCESS AND CIRCULATION BEING PROVIDED.  SO THE LEVEL OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS UP TO A 25% REDUCTION THAT CAN SEEM HIGH IN COMPARISON TO SOME ARE SOME OF OUR OTHER FLEXIBILITY MEASURES. BUT WHEN YOU PAIR THAT WITH BUILDINGS OF 10,000 SQUARE FEET OR LESS WE'RE REALLY NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT MANY PARKING STALLS.  SO YOU COULD LEAD YOU TO ASK SO WHAT IS REALLY THE BIG IMPACT HERE? BUT ANECDOTALLY WE'VE HAD SEVERAL BUSINESSES NOT BE ABLE TO GO FORWARD BECAUSE THEY WERE FOUR, THREE, FIVE PARKING SPACES SHORT. SO IT CAN SEEM LIKE NOT A LOT BUT IT'S RIGHT THE MARGIN OF WHERE THINGS CAN GO FORWARD OR NOT SO YEAH THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF THE BASICS OF SOME OF THESE CHANGES I CAN WE ALSO PROPOSED A MODEST TO OUR TRANSIT PARKING FLEXIBILITY JUST FURTHER CLARIFY OR DEFINING WHAT WE CONSIDER PROXIMITY TO MASS TRANSIT TO ACTUALLY BE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT DEFINED BUT THOSE YEAH I'LL PAUSE HERE FOR QUESTIONS AND FEEDBACK AND WE CAN GO FROM THERE. I HAVE A QUESTION THE TERMINOLOGY OF CONSTRAINED SITES SO IS THE PICTURE THAT YOU HAVE ON YOUR SLIDE WOULD THAT BE CONSIDER CONSTRAINTS EVEN THOUGH YOU COULD UP SOME GREEN SPACE PROBABLY KNOW AND CREATE PARKING BUT I DON'T THINK WE NECESSARILY WANT TO BE DOING THAT EITHER.  FAIR YEAH. SO COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT SO OUR CODE DOES REQUIRE MINIMUM LANDSCAPE YARDS FOR EXAMPLE AND AREAS TO HAVE TREES AND SHRUBS AND PLANT MATERIALS. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE CERTAINLY WOULD LOOK AT AS WELL. BUT JUST ON THE BASIS OF I WOULD CONSIDER THIS A CONSTRAINED SITE THAT'S AN EXERCISE THAT WE WOULD WANT TO INVOLVE THE CITY ENGINEER IN AS WELL AS OTHER PEOPLE THE APPLICATION JUST TO MAKE SURE WE GET MULTIPLE EYES ON IT BUT THE REASON CONSTRAINED IS BECAUSE TYPICALLY THERE'S NOT A LOT OF THESE SITES ARE SERVED ON ARTERIAL ROADWAY SO THERE'S IN MANY CASES LIKELY NOT ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL DRIVEWAY ON THE SITE, A CURB CUT.  AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST OUR OUR DRIVER AISLES HAVE MINIMUM WIDTHS IN ADDITION TO THE ACTUAL PARKING THEMSELVES. SO ALL I CAN LOOK LIKE THERE'S SOME GREENSPACE AREAS AVAILABLE ON THE SITE WHEN YOU FACTOR IN THE LANDSCAPE YARDS THE OTHER SETBACKS AND THEN THE REQUIRED DIMENSIONS OF THE DRIVE MILES IT ACTUALLY EATS IT UP REALLY QUICKLY AND WOULD BE A CODE COMPLIANT WAY TO ADD PARKING SO WE WOULD BE UTILIZING WHAT OUR CODE REQUIREMENTS ARE AS OPPOSED TO KIND OF SHRINKING THAT UP JUST TO SQUEEZE IT IN THERE IF THAT SENSE.  YEAH. MEADOWS THANK YOU.  SUGARY THANK YOU CHAIR. I THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE.  I DON'T KNOW WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? LIKE ONE OR TWO STALLS THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SHORT OR IS IT LIKE TEN STALLS OR YEAH. CHAIR CHRISTOPHER CURRY SO IT'S IT'S BEEN DIFFERENT. IT'S BEEN ARRANGED IN DIFFERENT SITUATIONS BUT IT HAS BEEN AS LOW AS A FEW AND SO IT'S IT'S A SCENARIO WHERE SOMETHING ALONG THESE LINES, THIS TYPE OF FLEXIBILITY HAVE MADE A DIFFERENCE YES OR NO? THERE'S ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, THE VARIANCE OR THE PD FLEXIBILITY ROUTE TOO. BUT AS WITH OUR DISCUSSIONS WITH STREAMLINING, IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MONTHS AND MONTHS OF PROCESS JUST GOING TO TELL THEIR COMMERCIAL BROKER TO KEEP LOOKING LIKE LET'S IT'S NOT WORKING HERE,  IT'S NOT GOING TO MEET THE ZONING CODE , LET'S JUST FIND A DIFFERENT SITE.  AND SO DEPENDING ON THE PROPERTY AS WE'VE AS I SHARED BEFORE, WE HAVE HAD A FEW THAT HAVE HAD PROLONGED VACANCY AND STOREFRONTS THAT EMPTY IT'S JUST NOT A GOOD SITUATION FOR THAT FOR AN AREA. YEAH AND I MEAN I THINK IT MAKES SENSE FROM THE STANDPOINT OF IF THERE'S ONE OR TWO OF THESE IN BLOOMINGTON ON THE MARKET AT A TIME AND IT DOESN'T WORK IN BLOOMINGTON THEN THEY GO EDEN PRAIRIE OR I DON'T KNOW SHAKOPEE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO I THINK IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE THAT FLEXIBILITY MAYBE UP TO A CERTAIN NUMBER OF STALLS BUT SO THAT PARKING ON STREET PARKING DOESN'T GO CRAZY. BUT COMMISSIONER LOOKED IT. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. I'M ALSO IN FAVOR OF THIS.  WE ARE WAY OVER PARKED IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON WHEN I I'VE LIVED HERE MOST OF MY ENTIRE ADULT LIFE AND I THINK ABOUT THE TIMES I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FIND A PARKING SPOT IS LIKE YOU CAN COUNT ON ONE HAND IT'S REALLY LIKE WHEN TRADER JOE'S IN TOTAL ONE SHARED A PARKING LOT. ONCE WE STOP DOING THAT IT'S JUST LIKE I CAN'T THINK OF ANYWHERE IN BLOOMINGTON WHERE YOU CAN'T FIND A PARKING SPOT. SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO BE MORE FLEXIBLE HERE I'M ALL FOR IT. I'M FAVOR OF IT.  COMMISSIONER WHITE YEAH I AGREE. I THINK THE SEEMS REASONABLE. I ALSO YOU HAD MENTIONED SORT OF TYING IT TO ACCESS TO AND AND PROXIMITY TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.  I THINK ANY TIME WE CAN EMPHASIZE THAT IT'S ALSO A GOOD THING REMINDING PEOPLE THAT THEY DON'T NEED TO DRIVE IN PARK THEY CAN RUN THE BUS OR THE TRAIN TO GET TO WHERE THEY'RE GOING. IT'S ALSO A REMINDER FOR THAT AS WELL WITH THAT.  GREAT. THANK YOU. I'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. THANK FOR THE FEEDBACK. THE WORK PLAN DOESN'T INCLUDE A RECOMMENDATION ON A PROJECT STUDYING OUR PARKING REQUIREMENTS SO MAYBE MORE TO COME ON THAT SO YEAH REFUSE AND RECYCLING SO THIS IS ONE OF THE TOPICS THAT SOME OF MR. SOLEY THE BACKROOMS EXPERTIZE MIGHT COME IN HANDY HE'S WORKED ON A NUMBER OF BUILD OUTS AND SEEN SOME DIFFERENT SCENARIOS BUT JUST REITERATE KIND OF WHY WE HAVE THE STANDARDS WE HAVE WHAT OUR STANDARDS ARE AND MAYBE WHAT SETS BLOOMINGTON APART FROM SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES GENERALLY SPEAKING. SO OUR EXISTING STANDARDS AND THERE ARE SOME THERE ARE SOME EXCEPTIONS FACT YOU ACTUALLY PROCESS A CITY CODE AMENDMENT THAT EXPANDED WHAT SOME OF THOSE EXCEPTIONS ARE IF YOU RECALL AT NINE MILE BREWING RELATED TO A FOOD USE IN AN INDUSTRIAL SITE.  BUT PRIOR TO THAT THERE WAS SOME EXCEPTIONS BUILT IN FOR INDUSTRIAL SITES IF THEY WEREN'T IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO RESIDENTIAL USES FOR EXAMPLE. SO I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT THIS REQUIRED IN EVERY SINGLE SITUATION BUT FOR MOST OF OUR COMMERCIAL AND MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND EVEN SOME INDUSTRIAL SITES WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS REFUGES AND RECYCLING STORAGE THAT ARE TYPICALLY ATTACHED TO THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING THEY'RE TYPICALLY FULLY ENCLOSED PART OF THE BUILDING THERE'S INTERNAL ACCESSIBILITY MEANING IT'S JUST PART OF THE BUILDING AND.  THERE'S A DOOR FOR THE EMPLOYEES TO GAIN ACCESS TO THE TRASH AND THERE'S A THERE'S A PICTURE OF IT OBVIOUSLY HERE AT A RESTAURANT EXAMPLE AND TO KNOW THAT FOOD USE IS TYPICALLY DO REQUIRE SPECIAL FINISHES THAT RELATE TO HAVING CLEANABLE SURFACES EFFECTIVELY THAT'S REALLY THE IMPORTANT PART IS WITH FOOD IS HAVING THOSE CLEANABLE SURFACES SO THAT TYPICALLY MEANS A WATER SOURCE A FLOOR DURING CERTAIN TYPES OF TILE OR FINISHES ARE WASHABLE IN EFFECT SO I WOULD SAY THAT A NEW CONSTRUCTION SOMETHING I JUST ASK YOU TO THINK ABOUT AS WE TALK ABOUT THIS AND NEW CONSTRUCTION SITUATIONS IT'S FAIRLY MORE TO ACCOMMODATE THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES WHEN RETROFITTING SOME OF OUR OLDER SHOPPING CENTERS, MULTI-TENANT BUILDINGS OR GOING IN AN EXISTING BUILDING IT BECOMES MORE CHALLENGING AND COSTLY TO TO THIS STANDARD. SO BUT WHY DO WE REGULATE IT THE WAY WE DO SO THERE'S MANY ISSUES THAT BLOOMINGTON DEALT WITH PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF THESE RULES AND THOSE ISSUES DEALT WITH ILLEGAL DUMPING EMPLOYEE SAFETY. SO IT'S PHYSICALLY TAKING OUT THE GARBAGE LATE AT NIGHT AND KIND OF , YOU KNOW, LESS THAN ADEQUATELY LIT AREAS. THERE ARE SOME SAFETY ISSUES HAPPENED UNSANITARY CONDITIONS ,VANDALISM, ODORS, RODENTS,  FLIES INSECTS, LEACHATE.  THAT'S WHEN YOU KNOW GARBAGE OR OTHER MATERIALS IN THE TRASH FACILITY DRAIN TOWARDS THE STORM SEWER.  SO ONE TO KEEP THOSE OUT OF , YOU KNOW, NATURAL WATERS VIA THE STORM SEWER AND JUST GENERAL SITE ESTHETICS SO IF THEY'RE NOT ENCLOSED, NOT PROPERLY SCREENED, YOU HAVE THIS KIND OF DUMPSTER SITTING OUT IN ABOUT OBVIOUSLY THAT CAN HAVE A BE A POOR ESTHETIC CONDITION AS IT RELATES TO COMMUNITY WELFARE.  SO THAT'S KIND OF THE ISSUES THAT'S THE CHALLENGES THAT STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE ATTEMPTED TO FIX AND I'D SAY LARGELY IT FIX MANY OF THEM THE THE FLIP SIDE OR THE THE DOWN STROKE IS THAT IT'S VERY COSTLY, IT'S VERY COSTLY TO CREATE FACILITIES AT PARTICULARLY FOR SMALL BUSINESSES. BUT I WOULD SAY MOST IMPORTANTLY FOR RETROFITTING.  SO AS YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT EXTERIOR MATERIALS ARE TYPICALLY GOING IN AND EXISTING BUILDING LARGER COMPANIES MIGHT BE BUILDING NEW CONSTRUCTION OR BUILDING SOMETHING ON THEIR OWN. IT'S EASIER TO CREATE THAT FACILITY IN A NEW BUILDING IT IS IN THE EXISTING BUILDING SO YEAH THAT'S KIND OF WHAT BROUGHT US HERE PIECE IT SO ERIC AND I IN ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH WE WENT A TOUR IN OCTOBER WHERE WE SAW LOTS OF DIFFERENT FACILITIES IN BLOOMINGTON AND A NEIGHBORING CITY AS WELL JUST TO GET SOME ADDITIONAL CONTEXT WITH IT. SO HERE'S A COUPLE EXAMPLES. THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT IS A COMPLETELY COMPLIANT TRASH ROOM ATTACHED TO A RESTAURANT . THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT IS A MULTI-TENANT CENTER THAT HAS INTERIOR GARBAGE STORAGE IN THE BUILDING HOWEVER IT DOES NOT HAVE INTERNAL ACCESS TO ALL THE TENANTS BECAUSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT A MULTI-TENANT SHOPPING CENTER YOU WOULD IN FACT HAVE TO CREATE A DEDICATED REAR ACCESS OR HALLWAY TO THE SHARED TRASH FACILITIES OR BUILD A TRASH ROOM IN EVERY SINGLE TENANT SPACE WHICH ALSO MAY OR MAY NOT BE PRACTICAL.  SO THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF THAT ON THE RIGHT THERE ON THE LEFT SLIDE. SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF AN EXTERIOR.  IT'S NOT TECHNICALLY ATTACHED . WELL I SUPPOSE THE SCREEN WALL IS ATTACHED.  IT'S AN OPEN AIR TRASH STORAGE AGAIN SCREENING IT MATCHES THE BUILDING. IT LOOKS PRETTY GOOD IT CONTAINS THE TRASH AND RECYCLING IN AN EFFECTIVE WAY IT'S ALSO CLOSE TO THE BACK DOOR OF THE BUSINESS. I WOULD POINT SO THERE'S A SHORT DISTANCE FOR EMPLOYEES TO UTILIZE THE FACILITY.  AND THE OTHER THING I'D MENTION TOO ABOUT WHEN ALLOWING DETACHED TRASH FACILITIES IS THAT SOMETIMES A BUSINESS WANT TO PUT IT FURTHER AWAY FROM THEIR ACTUAL USE AND THAT SOUNDS GREAT.  THEIR CUSTOMERS ARE MAYBE USING AN OUTDOOR PATIO OR WHO KNOWS WHAT THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT EVERY PROPERTY HAS NEIGHBORS AND SO WHERE YOU'RE PUTTING THE THE TRASH YOU MIGHT BE MOVING IT FURTHER AWAY FROM YOU BUT YOU'RE IN EFFECT MOVING CLOSER TO YOUR NEIGHBORS. SO A SIMILAR PICTURE OR SIMILAR ON THE RIGHT HERE. AGAIN, THIS IS A LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING FACILITY IN BLOOMINGTON.  IT'S CLOSE TO THE BACK DOOR. IT HAS SCREENING EITHER OF THESE FACILITIES HAVE OUR HAVE ROOFS HAVE ROOFS.  SO I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE.  BUT YEAH, THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING FACILITIES THAT ARE OUTSIDE BUT IN STAFF'S VIEW PRETTY EFFECTIVE AT MANAGING THE ISSUE.  HERE'S A COUPLE SITUATIONS THAT IS KIND OF MORE EMBLEMATIC OF SOME OF THE PROBLEMS OR CHALLENGES THAT WE SEE IN BOTH OF THESE WELL, THE ONE ON THE LEFT IT'S A LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING SITE BUT IT INVOLVED RETROFIT OF AN EXISTING SPACE AND SO IT HAS A TRASH ROOM.  BUT ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS IS THAT THEY STILL HAVE TO PUSH THEIR FACILITIES OUT FOR PICKUP RIGHT BUT WHAT SOMETIMES WHAT WE SEE IS THAT A BUSINESS WILL JUST KEEP IT OUTSIDE THAN AT THAT POINT AND THEN ANOTHER PRESSURE THAT WE SEE IS THAT SOMETIMES SQUARE FOOTAGE OR SPACES IS SUCH AN IMPORTANT COMMODITY OR THAT THEY'LL CONVERT THAT SPACE TO OTHER USES TYPICALLY PRODUCT STORAGE OR OTHER THINGS. AND SO THAT'S ONE OF THE CHALLENGES AS WELL. THE PICTURE ON THE RIGHT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE DIFFERENT PATTERN OR COLORATION ON THE PAVEMENT AND SO WHAT THAT IS IS ACTUALLY DIFFERENT THINGS DRAIN INTO THE STORM SEWER IN THE BACK OF A MULTI-TENANT. SO THAT'S KIND OF REALLY WHAT YOU WANT TO AVOID IS WHENEVER THINKING ABOUT EXTERIOR STORAGE OF TRASH AND RECYCLING WHERE IS THE STORM SEWER AND ENSURE THAT YOU'RE NOT PLACING IN SUCH A AREA OR LOCATION THAT IT'S GOING TO BE DRAINING RIGHT TOWARDS THAT FACILITY BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S NOT ALLOWED AND THAT'S A PROBLEM.  SO BECAUSE THE CHANGES TO THE YOU KNOW OR, BECAUSE I SHOULD SAY THE POTENTIAL CHANGES TO THESE STANDARDS ARE MORE SUBSTANTIAL THAN SOME OF THE OTHER TOPICS WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT. THERE'S NOT THERE'S NOT IF THE CITY WANTS TO TAKE REFUGE IN RECYCLING IN A NEW DIRECTION AS IT PERTAINS TO KIND OF WHAT OUR STANDARDS ARE IT'S LIKELY LEANING TOWARDS A FULL REWRITE THAN SOME STRATEGIC EDITS HERE OR THERE IF THAT MAKES SENSE. AND SO OF PROVIDING YOU AN EXHIBIT SIMILAR TO THE OTHER STANDARDS WHERE WE GIVE YOU RED LINE OR ACTUAL CODE CHANGES THAT WE WOULD PUT BEFORE YOU TO CONSIDER, I JUST WANT TO ASK YOU A COUPLE GUIDING QUESTIONS. WE'LL ASK THESE SAME QUESTIONS OF THE COUNCIL TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK BUT WANT TO PRESENT THESE TO YOU TO HOPEFULLY GUIDE OUR FUTURE WORK AS WE AS WE PREPARE AN ORDINANCE SO THE QUESTION IS JUST SHOULD NEW CONSTRUCTION RESTAURANTS OR ALL MULTIFAMILY COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL SPECIFICALLY MEET EXISTING STANDARDS? SO THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION IS KIND OF A DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN NEW CONSTRUCTION VERSUS RETROFITTING.  SO I'D POSE THAT TO THE BODY FOR YOUR FEEDBACK, MY FIRST INSTINCT IS TO SAY YES THEY SHOULD MEET EXISTING STANDARDS IF IT'S NEW CONSTRUCTION BECAUSE THERE IS A POINT AT WHICH MAKES IT EASIER TO DO THAT WORK I THINK SOME OF THE OPTIONS THAT YOU SHOWED FOR EXTERIOR WERE MADE OF WOOD WHICH I KNOW CAN DETERIORATE OVER TIME. YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT SNOW YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WATER INTRUSION AND THINGS LIKE THAT WHEREAS IN A BUILDING AS A NEW CONSTRUCTION AS PART OF THE BUILDING SEEMS A LOT IT SEEMS LONG LASTING I WOULD SAY THAT'S COMMISSIONER CORY THANKS CHAIR. I WOULD SAY THAT YOU JUST LET ME JUST I GUESS AT LEAST ON A USE CASE BASIS IT MAYBE DEPENDS ON THE USE. SO LIKE RESTAURANTS WHICH HAVE YOU KNOW EVERY SQUARE FOOT IS LIKE REALLY IMPORTANT VERSUS INDUSTRIAL THERE MIGHT BE A DIFFERENCE IN ALLOWING ONE VERSUS ALLOWING OUTDOOR ROUGH USE FOR USE VERSUS THE OTHER. BUT LIKE THINKING BACK TO YOUR EXAMPLE WHERE IT DIDN'T WORK I MEAN SO THEY IF IF THEY HAD OUTDOOR OR AN OUTDOOR CONTAINED SPACE IT WOULD JUST STAY IN THE CONTAINED IT WOULDN'T BE LIKE LAYING ALL OVER THE BACK PARKING LOT SO IN GENERAL I THINK IF YOU HAD THAT IT WOULD SOMEWHAT MITIGATE THAT ISSUE THAT YOU WERE WORRIED ABOUT AND WOULD JUST BE WELL, YOU KNOW, HELP REDUCE THE COST OF NEW DEVELOPMENT IN GENERAL.  SO COMMISSIONER WHAT I THINK IT'S REALLY TEMPTING TO SAY WELL LET'S MAKE IT CONDITIONAL IF THE IF IT'S A IF IT'S A BUSINESS THAT MAKES REALLY MESSY GARBAGE, MAYBE THEY HAVE KIND OF GARBAGE ROOM AND IF IT'S JUST PAPER WE HAVE A DIFFERENT KIND RECYCLING ROOM. BUT THE PROBLEM WITH BUILDINGS WHAT THEY'RE BUILT FOR ISN'T ALWAYS WHAT THEY'RE CONTINUOUSLY USED.  SO I THINK YOU YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO WRITE OUR GUIDELINES AND CODES FOR BUILDINGS TO USED FOR MULTIPLE USE OVER THE COURSE OF THEIR LIFE. AND SO I YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE AND SAFETY OF THE PEOPLE WHO USE THE BUILDING THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE AND WORK AROUND THE BUILDING AND THE NEIGHBORS AND AND AS YOU MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THE THE CONDITIONS OF YOU KNOW, THE CONDITIONS THAT MIGHT LEAD RUNOFF OR LEACHING FROM THE GARBAGE THAT'S THAT'S BEEN DEALT WITH IN THE BUSINESS AND IN UP YOU KNOW, BLOWING AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR LEACHING INTO THE TO THE GROUNDWATER OR INTO THE AIR TO THE SEWER SYSTEM. SO I GUESS I'M I'M INCLINED TO I LIKE OUR TOUGHER STANDARDS. I KNOW THAT IT ADDS TO THE COST OF THE BUILD WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NEW CONSTRUCTION AND I KNOW THAT IT ADDS A LEVEL OF EXPENSE TO BUSINESS BUT I THINK IN THE LONG RUN IT SAVES A LEVEL OF EXPENSE OF HAVING TO CLEAN UP A MESS OR TO DEAL WITH THE LONG TERM IMPACTS OF IMPROPERLY GARBAGE OR THE HEALTH IMPACTS EXPOSURE OF EMPLOYEES OR NEIGHBORS TO TO THE GARBAGE. SO YOU KNOW, I GUESS I'M OPEN TO HEARING EXAMPLES THAT MIGHT PERSUADE ME TO TWEAKS HERE OR THERE BUT IN GENERAL I TEND TO LIKE THE THE THE I THINK MORE APPROPRIATE WAY WE DEAL WITH GARBAGE CURRENTLY BE COOKED IN EACH MANAGER ONE OF THE THINGS I'M THINKING ABOUT IS WITH ORGANICS AND SO A LOT OF PLACES ARE MOVING TOWARDS ORGANICS DISPOSAL NOW AND I WORK AT A FACILITY WHERE WE DO THAT AND IT SMELLS AWFUL AND SO I WOULD RATHER HAVE THAT INSIDE AND NOT BOTHERING THE PUBLIC WITH IT AND I THINK ORGANICS IS GOING TO BE EVEN MORE ATTRACTIVE TO RODENTS TAKE YOU TAKE YOUR PICK OF PEOPLE NOT PEOPLE BUT THINGS THAT WANT TO EAT DECOMPOSING FOOD RIGHT. SO I'M IN FAVOR OF KEEPING AS THEY ARE IECOGNIZE THAT IS AN EXPENSE BUT IN THIS CASE I'M IN FAVOR OF OUR CURRENT STANDARDS.  CHAIR ALBRECHT AND JUST ONE CLARIFICATION AND I THINK I'VE GOT YOUR FEEDBACK RECORDED ON BUT I PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE FRAMED IN THE WITH THE QUESTION THAT IF YOU WERE GOING AWAY FROM THE EXISTING STANDARD ME BEING SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT THIS BY THE BY THAT I MEAN ATTACHED INTERNALLY AND SPECIAL FINISHES FOR FOOD USERS BUT MY MY QUESTION COULD HAVE BEEN FRAMED BETTER BY ASSUMING THAT IF THAT THEN YOU'RE DEVELOPING OTHER STANDARDS IN EFFECT THAT MITIGATE SOME OF THE NUISANCE CHARACTERISTICS IN OTHER WORDS DON'T ASSUME THAT IT BECOMES THE THIRD SLIDE THAT I SHOWED WITH THE WORST CASE SCENARIOS . I ASSUME THAT IT'S SUBJECT TO SOME STANDARDS BUT IS ALLOWED DETACHED AND OUTSIDE SO JUST THAT ONE CLARIFICATION HIGH PRESSURE DIMENSION THAT BUT I THINK I DON'T THINK THAT CHANGES THE FEEDBACK IN ANY WAY BUT I JUST TO MAKE SURE I THINK YEAH OKAY THANK YOU SO.  THE SECOND QUESTION THEN IS AND MY FIRST QUESTION FOCUSED ON NEW CONSTRUCTION I GUESS QUICK POLL OF HANDS OR IS THE SAME GUIDANCE FOR EXISTING BUILDINGS AND FRANKLY THAT'S WHERE WE'RE SEEING MOST OF THE DIFFICULTY TO COMPLY WITH THE CITY STANDARDS COMMISSIONER OFTEN THINKS HAVE CHAIR MR. JOHNSON WHAT CONSTITUTES A RETROFIT? YEAH SO WE'RE TURNING INTO A VACUUM REPAIR OF STORIES THAT ARE RETROFIT OR YEAH THANK YOU. SO BASICALLY WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT OUR CONFORMANCE TRIGGERS ARE. SO IF YOU'RE A RETAIL USE GOING TO A RETAIL USE THEN THAT WOULD NOT BE A TRIGGER TO MEET OUR STANDARDS.  THAT'S WHY FRANKLY EVEN ON SOME BUILDINGS YOU SEE SOMEONE HAVING TO BUILD A NEW TRASH ROOM.  THERE'S OTHER TENANTS THAT HAVE THE RIGHT OR ABILITY TO USE THE EXTERIOR THE NONCONFORMING LEGALLY NON-CONFORMING TRASH AND THAT CAN BE A POINT OF FRUSTRATION FOR BUSINESS OWNERS AS WELL. BUT TYPICALLY IT IS IS IT'S A RESTAURANT MOVING INTO A MULTI-TENANT SPACE PREVIOUSLY WAS NOT A RESTAURANT IT WAS SOME OTHER SOME OTHER FORM OF USE USUALLY A RETAIL USE OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES OR IT'S BEEN VACANT FOR SUCH A PERIOD OF TIME THAT IT'S LOST ITS NONCONFORMING MONEY.  BUT YOU KNOW, ERICA'S GONE THIS MANY TIMES, UH, AND HE GETS BEAT UP ABOUT IT AND THAT'S HIS JOB. THAT'S OKAY. BUT THAT'S THAT'S THE REALITY. SO IT'S THE RETROFITTING BY I MEAN IT'S A NEW USE THAT HITS THE IT'S THE TRIGGER AND THE TRIGGER IS USUALLY FOOD COME ON SUGARCOATING THINGS FURNITURE I FEEL THE SAME HERE . I MEAN IF I'M PUTTING A RESTAURANT SOMEWHERE I DON'T THINK IT'S AN UNREASONABLE EXPECTATION THAT I HAVE TO SPEND SOME MONEY TO HANDLE MY TRASH SO I DON'T KNOW IF I'M ANSWERING ONE OF THE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS HERE WHAT ARE THE QUESTIONS YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS I THINK YOU I THINK YOU ARE I THINK YOU'RE SAYING STICK TO THE STICK TO THE EXISTING STANDARDS IN BOTH SCENARIOS. YES. IS WHAT I'M HERE I THINK FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION STICKING TO THE EXISTING STANDARDS I WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBLE ON RETROFITTING PARTICULARLY ABOUT THE DEMAND FOR BUT WHAT WE HEAR LIKE WE WANT MORE RESTAURANTS IN OUR COMMUNITY. WELL IF THIS IS HINDERING THEIR PARTICIPATION BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GO INTO A LOT OF SPACES RESTAURANTS DO NOT MAKE A LOT OF MONEY AND ARE A HUGE RISK UP FRONT. SO I DON'T THINK THAT THEY'RE COMING INTO FACILITIES WITH A LOT OF EXTRA INCOME TO DO THIS SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF DETACHED BUT ATTACHED LIKE YOU SAID BEFORE WHERE IT WOULD BE YOU KNOW A IT WOULD BE DETACHED IN THAT THEY SHARE WHILE YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ENTER IT FROM THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING BUT IT WOULD BE CLOSE TO THE BUILDING THAT IT WOULD BE LESS OF A NUISANCE TO NEIGHBORS AND I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE HEAVILY SCREENED AND CLOSED ON ALL SIDES. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT A ROUGH PROBABLY I THINK YOU RUN INTO SOME MAINTENANCE THERE WITH THEIR BUILDING SORT OF A FLAT ROOF THEY JUST BUILD OUT OF WOOD OR SOMETHING. I DON'T THINK THAT HAS A LONG A LOT OF LONGEVITY BUT YEAH I THINK I THINK GENERALLY IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THAT WAS DIRECTLY ATTACHED TO THE BUT NOT NECESSARILY HAVE INTERNAL ACCESS SIMILAR TO THE IMAGE THAT YOU SHOWED UP I BELIEVE THE DEVON IS ON FOREVER WAS THAT SEEMS I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU'RE SPEAKING I KNOW THAT SEEMS PRETTY IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A NUISANCE TO ME FOR THE RECORD I HIGHLIGHTEDHAT AS A GOOD A GOOD SITUATION BUT CAUTIONARY THANKS YEAH I WOULD AGREE I MEAN I JUST THINK I WOULD I GUESS I'M OPTIMISTIC.  I THINK THE CITY STAFF I'M SURE CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO SOLVE FOR WHATEVER POTENTIAL CHALLENGES PUTTING THIS STUFF OUTSIDE COULD CREATE. SO KEEPING IT UP AGAINST THE BUILDING SHOULD CREATE A KIND OF A LOOP OF ACCOUNTABILITY AS WELL WITH THE BUSINESS IF THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO SMELL IT. SO I THINK I'M OPTIMISTIC THAT WE CAN FIGURE OUT SOLUTION THAT WORKS FOR EVERYONE.  COMMISSIONER HOOTEN JUST SORT OF SPITBALLING HERE BUT WOULD THERE BE CONSIDERATION OF DESIGN STANDARDS FOR THESE SO YOU'RE NOT GETTING A SLATTED WOOD FENCE THAT ISN'T REALLY DOING ANYTHING. IT HAS TO BE MORE ROBUST THAT AND SEEMS REASONABLE. YEAH CHURCH KITCHEN SO YEAH WE CERTAINLY CAN SPECIFY WHAT I SEE A LOT OF CITIES HAVE AS THEY SAY EITHER USING APPROVED PRIMARY OR SECONDARY MATERIALS THAT MATCH THE BUILDING OR SOMETHING THOSE LINES AND THERE'S THERE'S KIND OF A WIDE RANGE LANGUAGE THAT I'VE SEEN AND SOME OF THEM ARE MORE LENIENT AND SOME OF THEM ARE MORE RIGID. SO IT CAN GO AS RIGID AS IT NEEDS TO BE.  YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO CONVINCE ME TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITH PROPER DESIGN STANDARDS. IT'S NOT MY FAVORITE BUT I CAN GET THERE.  IN THE CASE OF THE EXAMPLE USED EARLIER OF THE PIZZA LOCATION THAT WOULD NOT BE PRIMARY OR SECONDARY MATERIALS IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. SO THAT WOULD BE NOT CONFORMING TO A DESIGN STANDARD IF WE WERE TO PUT THAT IN THERE.  THAT'S CHAIR ALBRECHT THAT'S TRUE.  YEP. THEN I WOULD LEAN TOWARDS NOT A DESIGN STANDARD BUT SORT OF A GUIDANCE ON CONFORMITY WITH THE EXISTING BUILDING OF SOME LEVEL AND THEIR THOUGHTS .  COMMISSIONER HOLTON COULD BE TRICKY FOR A GLASS BUILDING. THAT'S TRUE OF THE EXISTING BUILDING SO I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW A LOT OF I DON'T KNOW A LOT OF GLASS BUILDINGS THAT ARE BEING RETROFIT THAT HOWEVER THEY PROBABLY HAVE ENCLOSED TRASH COMMISSION.  I MEAN AGAIN I THINK THAT YOU HAVE TO WRITE IT FOR ALL KINDS OF BUSINESSES EVEN THOUGH WE'RE LARGELY TALKING ABOUT RESTAURANTS. AND SO I THINK YOU KNOW,  YOU'RE RIGHT. I TRUST THE STAFF TO WRITE THE THING THAT IS ENFORCEABLE AND THAT MAKES SENSE.  I THINK WHAT WE WANT TO AVOID IS A, YOU KNOW, SHODDY WOODEN LEAN TO TACK TO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING TO YOU KNOW,  BARELY SCREEN THE GARBAGE CANS WITH A LOT OF THAT ATTRACTING A LOT OF RODENTS AND GIVING OFF A PERSON TO THEIR NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR. SO I THINK THAT WE ALL UNIVERSALLY AGREE ON I THINK I'M DEFINITELY WE UNDERSTAND THAT RETROFITTING IS A MUCH DIFFERENT THAN A NEW BUILD. YOU KNOW, IT'S ABSOLUTELY NEEDS TO BE A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION AND I THINK ALSO OPEN TO A DIFFERENT SET OF STANDARDS FOR THAT THAN FOR A NEW BUILD. OKAY. THANK YOU, CHAIR ALBRECHT AND . I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK. IF IT'S OKAY I'M GOING TO TRY AND RUN THROUGH THE REMAINING EVEN ESTABLISHING THAT IMPORTANT KIND OF BIGGER GUIDANCE JUST RUN THROUGH THE REST OF THESE JUST TO THE POINT ON A ROOF THE REASON A ROOF IS THAT IT KEEPS THE STORM OR MINIMIZES THE AMOUNT OF STORMWATER ENTERING INTO THE REFUGE SPACE WHICH IS IT HELPS DEAL WITH THAT LEACHATE OR LEAKAGE ISSUE TOWARDS THE STORM SEWER AND IN FACT THE STORMWATER IS COMING IN LESS THE SNOW AND RAIN IS COMING LESS CONTACT WITH THOSE POTENTIAL HAZARDOUS OR NOT GOOD MATERIALS. SO THAT'S THE REASONING BEHIND THAT SO IF THERE IS A ROOF AND THAT TOTALLY SENSE TO ME THEN I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME SORT OF GUIDANCE ON THAT. IT CAN'T JUST BE KIND OF YOU'RE PUTTING WOOD SLATS ON TOP FOR TO ROT AND SNOW TO SIT ON TOP OF THAT I THINK THERE'S DURABLE METAL PRODUCTS THAT ARE FAIRLY AFFORDABLE AND COULD SERVE THAT PURPOSE. EXCELLENT. OKAY. THERE IS THAT KIND OF BROAD SUPPORT ON THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR.  THE HEAD NODS. I THINK THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED ALREADY AND I FELT OR INTERPRETED THAT THERE IS SUPPORT BEHIND THIS BUT JUST A REQUIREMENT THE FACILITY BE WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE OF THE FACILITY FOR EMPLOYEE SAFETY. YES. OKAY. WE CAN KEEP GOING HERE.  SHOULD THE FACILITY BE LIMITED TO SIDE REAR YARDS CAN'T BE CLOSER TO THE STREET THAN THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING SO THAT'S GOING TO HELP WITH THE ESTHETICS AND SCREENING ISSUES. OKAY HEAD NODS ON THAT ONE BUFFER SETBACK TO ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL IN SOME STUDIES I SEE CAN'T BE CLOSER THAN SAY 50 OR 50 FOOT SETBACK TO A RESIDENTIAL NEARBY RESIDENTIAL SITE OR EVEN GREATER. WE CAN ZOOM IN ON WHAT WE THINK IS CORRECT BUT JUST BROAD SUPPORT OF THAT AS WELL . OKAY, THANK YOU. AND THEN SITE LIGHTING. SO ONE OF THE ISSUES AGAIN BACK TO THE EMPLOYEE SAFETY PIECE JUST HAS TO DO WITH IF FOR INSTANCE YOU WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IF YOU ARE CONSTRUCTING NEW EXTERIOR TRASH FACILITIES THAT THAT WOULD BE A TRIGGER TO UPGRADE LIGHTING TO ENSURE EMPLOYEE SAFETY.  ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. THANK YOU ALL.  SO THE NEXT TOPIC IS ROOFTOP EQUIPMENT SCREENING THIS.  ONE'S VERY QUICK AND I THINK PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. THIS IS REALLY JUST SEEKING CLARIFICATIONS.  JUST IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD A FEW INSTANCES WHERE THE CODE WAS A LITTLE BIT UNCLEAR JUST FROM AN INTERPRETATION STANDPOINT AND ONE SCREENING WOULD BE REQUIRED OR NOT. AGAIN, YOU CAN SAY THAT THE CONNECTION POINT TO SMALL BUSINESS MIGHT MIGHT BE LESSER SO BUT IN REALITY SOMETIMES PEOPLE AFTERNOON NEW MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT ON THEIR ROOFTOP AND SO BEING CLEAR WHEN IT IS OR IS NOT REQUIRED JUST IN TERMS OF WHEN IT ADDS VALUE WE WOULD RECOMMEND ADDING GROUND LEVEL TO THE TRIGGER.  WE DO HAVE SOME AREAS OF BLOOMINGTON WHERE PEOPLE ARE IN TALLER BUILDINGS AND THEY CAN SEE ROOFTOP.  IT'S REALLY HARD TO SOLVE FOR THAT AND WE DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S KIND WHAT THE BROAD PURPOSE OF THIS REQUIREMENT SHOULD BE.  SO WE WOULD RECOMMEND HAVING GROUND LEVEL OBSERVATION OF THE EQUIPMENT AS BEING THE TRIGGER.  WE ALSO RECOMMEND ONE OTHER TWEAK TO THIS STANDARD AND THAT'S AN EXCEPTION FOR EXHAUST PIPES. THERE'S NOT MANY USERS IN BLOOMINGTON THAT HAVE A LOT OF EXHAUST PIPES COMING OUT OF FACILITIES BUT WE DO HAVE SOME HIGH TECH MANUFACTURING AND OTHER THINGS WHERE WE'VE HAD STAFF.  I'LL LOOK AT A PLAN AND SAY WELL DOES THIS NEED TO BE SCREENED? AND IT'S YOU KNOW, FEET TALL IN A TUBE AND THAT'S A VERY HARD THING TO SCREEN AND NOT VERY PRACTICAL AND NOT EASY STRUCTURALLY TO SCREEN SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO JUST THINK IT'S TRYING TO KIND OF RESOLVE AN INTERNAL STAFF INTERPRETATION ISSUE THERE  WHERE WE THINK IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.  DOES THAT SEEM LIKE A BROAD ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS ONE? MR. GUPTA. YEAH. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. IT IS JUST I DO HAVE QUESTION I SHOULD HAVE PREPPED BEFORE IT. YOU MAY NOT HAVE AN ANSWER BUT WITH THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN TODAY IF YOU HAVE TO SCREEN THE PORTION OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT CAN BE SEEN FROM GROUND LEVEL OR IS IT THE ENTIRE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT IF IT CAN BE SEEN.  MM. SO WOULD YOU REPHRASING THAT AGAIN TO MAKE SURE I SO IF I ANSWER THAT ON THE GROUND I CAN SEE HALF OF THE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT DOES THAT REALLY THAT HALF NEED TO BE SCREENED DOES THE WHOLE PIECE THAT WOULD BE CORRECT WHATEVER IS VISIBLE AND OFTENTIMES WHAT SUBMIT TO US IS ACTUALLY LIKE A A LINE OF SIGHT ANALYSIS THAT AN ARCHITECT CAN PREPARE BECAUSE OFTEN WHAT HAPPENS IS THE ROOFLINE OR THE PARAPET OF THE BUILDING WILL BLOCK THE PORTION OF THE UNIT.  SO UNFORTUNATELY FOR THEM IT'S KIND OF THE UPPER PART THAT I MEAN YES YOU COULD GO WITHOUT SCREENING THE LOWER THEORETICALLY IF THE ASSUMING THE EQUIPMENT IS SET BACK FROM THE ROOFLINE A LITTLE BIT OF THE ROOF'S EDGE BUT YES THEY NEED TO SCREEN IT'S VISIBLE FROM THE GROUND AND THE WAY OUR STAN I DON'T HAVE THE LANGUAGE ON THIS SLIDE BUT THE IT'S VISIBLE FROM ADJACENT STREETS AND SIDEWALKS SO IT'S NOT JUST PRIVATE PROPERTY. YOU HAVE TO BE ON A ADJACENT IT'S PUBLIC OR PRIVATE BUT STREETS AND SIDEWALKS SO YES, YOU WOULD JUST NEED TO SCREEN THE VISIBLE PORTION.  COMMISSIONER GOOD. YEAH, THANKS. VERY SURE. I, I HAPPEN TO LIVE NEXT TO A BUILDING THAT HAS ONLY SCREENED THE TOP PART OF EQUIPMENT AND IT LOOKS SO BAD. AND AGAIN, I'M JUST HARPING ON NOW I WOULD BE OPEN TO CHANGING THAT PART OF OUR CODE REQUIRE THE FULL PIECE OF EQUIPMENT BEING SCREENED. IT LOOKS SO WEIRD. IT'S JUST THIS FLOATING EYEBROW THAT'S JUST FLOATING IN THE AIR. BUT ASIDE FROM THAT CAN YOU REMIND ME WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FEEDBACK ON JUST THAT KIND OF CONFIRMING ADDING THIS CLARIFICATION ON FOR THE GROUND LEVEL PIECE AND THEN ALSO THE CREATING THE EXCEPTION FOR EXHAUST PIPES BUT IF YOU WANTED CONNECT WITH ME OFFLINE ABOUT THE SITUATION THAT YOU'RE REFERRING I'D BE HAPPY TO LOOK AT IT. I WOULD LIKE TO AND I AM IN FAVOR OF WHAT YOU'VE PROPOSED HERE SCREENING EVERY PIECE OF EQUIPMENT FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN TALLER BUILDINGS IS IMPRACTICAL AND FOR THE EXHAUST PIPES. I THINK THAT'S ALSO A PRACTICAL SOLUTION HERE EXCEPTION SO I'M OKAY WITH WHAT'S PROPOSED HERE COMMISSIONER WHAT THANK YOU SO MUCH CHAIR I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A CLEAR DEFINITION EXHAUST PIPES BEFORE WE DO THAT EXEMPTION TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S NOT IT DOESN'T CREATE AN INADVERTENT LOOPHOLE FOR THINGS WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE A LOOPHOLE FOR. SO OTHER THAN THAT I SUPPORT WHAT'S BEEN PROPOSED I'M ALSO IN SUPPORT OF THE RECOMMENDATION.  OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THE FEEDBACK THERE. WE WILL LOOK AT THAT SO ODOR CONTROL AND AGAIN THIS IS A STANDARD THAT APPLIES MOST OFTEN TO RESTAURANT BUT WE DO HAVE A FEW OTHER FOOD RELATED PROCESS OUR FACILITIES WE'VE HAD A COFFEE ROASTER IN THE PAST, WE'VE HAD SOME OTHERS BUT SO OUR CITY CODE WE PREVIOUSLY ASSOCIATED WITH CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS WE DIDN'T HAVE IT IN THE CODE BUT WE WOULD ATTACH IT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL HISTORICALLY AND THEN WE ADOPTED IT INTO THE CODE I BELIEVE IN A 2019 TO JUST HAVE MORE FORMAL RULES AROUND IT KIND OF MEMORIALIZING WHAT PAST PRACTICE WAS IN EFFECT. BUT RIGHT NOW IF YOU ARE A USE WITHIN 250 FEET OF A RESIDENTIAL DWELLING AND YOU HAVE A TYPE ONE OR A TYPE TWO HOOD THEN YOU HAVE TO ODOR CONTROL AND THE CURRENT STANDARD REQUIRES AN ENGINEER CERTIFY THE SYSTEM THAT IN EFFECT IS BASICALLY THE FORM OF SO AN ENGINEER HAS TO STAMP IT AND DESIGN IT AND THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE A LETTER THAT THIS IS AN ADEQUATE SYSTEM FOR WHATEVER THE COOKING OR THE FOOD PROGRAM IS . WE DID DO THE PURE CITY RESEARCH AS WE TYPICALLY MOST CITIES DO NOT HAVE ODOR CONTROL STANDARDS FOR FOOD MOST CITIES DON'T REGULATE ODOR THE MPCA SO THE STATE POLLUTION AND POLLUTION AGENCY DOES REGULATE ODOR BUT NOT FOR FOOD USES DO IT FOR INDUSTRIAL AND OTHER ODORS OR EMISSIONS ARE MORE CLEARLY TIED OR THE SCIENCE IS MORE CLEARLY BACKED THAT IS A PUBLIC HEALTH IMPACT TO SOME OF THESE THINGS. SO THAT'S WHAT THE MPCA IS FOCUSED ON THERE THAT THEY DON'T DO FOOD AND SO OF THE CITIES THAT DO HAVE SOME ODOR MITIGATION REQUIREMENTS FOR RESTAURANTS WE FOUND IS RICHFIELD, WOODBURY, BLOOMINGTON SO WE'RE IN THE SMALLER GROUP, NOT THE LARGER GROUP IN THIS RESPECT AND AGAIN THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF EQUIPMENT THEY HAVE TO GET CAN CARRY SUBSTANTIAL COST WITH IT IN SOME BUILDINGS YOU KNOW MOST CAN PROBABLY ADEQUATELY HANDLE THE STRUCTURAL LOAD OF SOMETHING LIKE THIS OF THESE I MEAN YOU DON'T ALWAYS NEED THE LARGER UNITS SOMETIMES THERE'S OTHER METHODS BUT THAT THAT CAN BE AN ISSUE AS WELL. SO JUST THINKING THROUGH IT WITH THE COST COMPONENT THE OTHER PIECE TOO IS JUST THAT SOME SMALL BUSINESSES DON'T KNOW AN ENGINEER OR TO THAT HAS PROVED TO BE A DIFFICULT HURDLE FOR SOME FOLKS AND THEN RELATED TO THAT SOME FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE GOTTEN IS THAT ENGINEERS TEND TO LIVE IN VERY BLACK AND WHITE WORLD. THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU CAN'T MITIGATE ODOR DOWN TO NOTHING THAT IS THAT IS NOT BACKED BY SCIENCE OR POSSIBLE YOU CAN DIMINISH THE IMPACTS OF ODOR YOU CAN'T ELIMINATE IT. AND SO ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT OR THE FEEDBACKS THAT WE'VE GOTTEN IS THAT EVEN WHEN ENGAGING WITH SOME MECHANICAL ENGINEERS THERE WERE THERE WERE SOME IN CERTIFYING PUTTING THEIR PPE ON THE LETTER ON THE LINE SO TO SPEAK OF SAYING THAT THIS IS GOING TO SUPPRESS COMPLETELY SUPPRESSED WHATEVER ODOR IS BEING GENERATED FROM A USE. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE FOR FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE GOTTEN AS WELL.  SO WITH THAT KIND OF FEEDBACK IN MIND WHAT STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND TO DO? THERE'S REALLY TWO OPTIONS HERE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO CHANGE OUR EXISTING STANDARDS REDUCING THE DISTANCE REQUIREMENT WHERE IT'S TRIGGERED FROM 250 TO 150 FEET. THAT WOULD BRING US INTO ALIGNMENT WITH RICHFIELD.  THAT'S WHAT THEIR STANDARD IS AND THE INTENT OF THAT IS REALLY JUST MITIGATING ODORS FOR ABUTTING PROPERTIES. SO WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW WITH THE 250 FOOT MEASUREMENT IS THAT YOU'RE HAVING SCENARIOS WHERE RESIDENTIAL ACROSS A PUBLIC STREET AND IT STILL GETS TRIGGERED THE FURTHER A FACILITY IS AWAY FROM RESIDENTIAL AT THAT POINT ORDER IS MIXING WITH OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL THINGS THE FURTHER AWAY GET. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS WE ALSO DIDN'T HAVE THIS ON THE SLIDE BUT JUST A SLIGHT CLARIFICATION ABOUT WHERE THE MEASUREMENT TAKEN FROM THE ACTUAL EXHAUST WHERE THE ODOR IS BEING EXHAUSTED.  ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IS TO REMOVE TYPE TWO HOODS FROM THE LIST SO THAT TENDS TO BE STEAM RELATED EMISSIONS AND ERIC CAN SPEAK MORE INTELLIGENTLY ABOUT THIS THAN I CAN IF THERE'S ABOUT IT. THIRDLY, REMOVE THE ENGINEER CERTIFICATION AND THIS RELATES TO THE FOURTH BULLET SO TYPICALLY WHO ARE WORKING WITH OUR MECHANICAL CONTRACTORS YOU KNOW THE CAPTIVE AREAS OF THE THE OTHER COMPANIES THAT PROVIDE THIS KINDS OF EQUIPMENT AND YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE REPUTABLE DESIGNERS THEY JUST DON'T HAPPEN TO BE ENGINEERS TYPICALLY.  AND I WOULD SAY THAT THE BUILDING STAFF HAS GAINED MORE AWARENESS AND KNOWLEDGE OF SOME OF THESE SYSTEMS AS WELL AND CAN LOOK INTO IT. SO IN EFFECT THE THIRD AND FOURTH BULLET REALLY REALISTICALLY IS DOING IS IT'S SWAPPING AN ENGINEER CERTIFICATION FOR THE BUILDING OFFICIAL APPROVAL IN EFFECT.  AND I THINK THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHAT WE JUST WHAT THE BUILDING OFFICIAL IS DOING EFFECTIVELY IS ENSURING THAT SOMEONE IS NOT JUST SELECTING THE MOST COST EFFICIENT SYSTEM NO MATTER THE SITUATION.  SOME COOKING, SOME FACILITIES ARE QUITE INTENSE AND VERY LOTS OF FRYING OR OTHER COOKING PRACTICES THAT DO AMID A LOT OF ODORS.  AND SO WHILE THE BUILDING OFFICIAL IS NOT EXPERT IN THAT EVERY SINGLE ODOR SUPPRESSION SYSTEM THEY DO KNOW A GOOD ONE FROM A BAD ONE AND WHAT'S YOU KNOW COMMONLY ACCEPTED PRACTICE. SO THAT'S KIND OF A THEORY THERE OPTION B WOULD BE A MORE AGGRESSIVE INTERVENTION TO JUST ELIMINATE ODOR CONTROL FROM THE CITY'S REGULATORY FRAMEWORK AND NO LONGER REGULATE FOOD ODORS. SO THOSE ARE KIND OF THE TWO OPTIONS THERE FOR YOU TO CONSIDERATION. HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS CURIOUS AS TO HOW OFTEN DO WE GET ODOR COMPLAINTS ?  THAT'S A QUESTION I WOULD IF HE'S WILLING I WOULD ASK ERIC TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION.  ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH ALSO DOES THE ZONING CODE ENFORCEMENT COMPLIANCE SO THEY WOULD MORE LIKELY TO RECEIVE THAT THAN PLANNING WOULD BE CORRECT SINCE THIS NEW OF THE ODOR CONTROL SYSTEM THAT'S CURRENTLY THERE WE'VE HAD MINIMAL COMPLAINTS PRIOR WE HAD QUITE A FEW I CAN'T GIVE YOU A SPECIFIC NUMBER BUT IT WAS QUITE A LARGE NUMBER PRIOR TO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE SYSTEM.  SO IT DOES IMPACT THE RESIDENTS AROUND THERE SO SOME TO CONSIDER.  THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOOTEN . MR. JOHNSON, JUST CLARIFYING IS THIS EXCLUSIVE TO FOOD OR WHAT ABOUT THINGS LIKE PET DAYCARE, OTHER THINGS NO.  THESE STANDARDS DO NOT DO NOT APPLY TO ITS FOOD PROCESSING I BELIEVE IS WHAT THE SPECIFIC CODE STANDARD SAYS I CAN LOOK IT UP BUT IT'S SPECIFIC TO FOOD.  IT DOESN'T YOU KNOW THERE'S OTHER THINGS OTHER THAN RESTAURANTS THAT GET IN THAT CATEGORY. I MENTIONED THE COFFEE ROASTER WAS ONE SCENARIO IT'S A TYPE TWO. OKAY. IS IT OKAY SINCE YOU'RE UP HERE MR. SOLI, WILL YOU? I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT TYPE ONE VERSUS TYPE TWO HOODS. WILL YOU ILLUMINATE THAT FOR US. SURE, SURE. I TWO DIFFERENT STYLES OF WOOD TYPE ONE IS USUALLY USED FOR GREASE LADEN VAPORS LIKE DEEP FRIED OILS HAMBURGERS LIKE THAT THE TYPE TWO HOOD AS A STEAM BUT USUALLY FOR DISHWASHERS OR BAKING PRODUCTS LIKE A A LARGE BAKING OVEN OR COFFEE PRODUCER LIKE A COFFEE ROASTER KIND OF SCENARIO THAT'S A TYPE IT SPECIFICALLY HAS TO DO WITH THE THE ACCUMULATION OF GREASE LADEN VAPORS WITHIN THE SHAFT OF THE DUCT OF THE DUCTWORK AND USUALLY THE TYPE ONE DEVICES ARE USED FOR MORE OF A OR DIFFERENT TYPE OF EMISSION FROM FROM THE RESTAURANT ITSELF. TYPE TWO IS MORE JUST A STEAM AND HEAT KIND OF A SCENARIO.  WELL THAT IS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. I AM IN FAVOR OF REMOVING THE TYPE TWO HOOD REMOVING THE ENGINEER CERTIFICATION AND DESIGNATING THE BUILDING OFFICIAL. I AM NOT AS MUCH IN FAVOR ABOUT REDUCING THE DISTANCE.  SEEMS LIKE WE'VE HAD GOOD GOOD UH OR SHOULD I SAY COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT WE ARE DOING RIGHT NOW WITH 250 FEET AND I WOULD BE HESITANT MAKE THAT SIGNIFICANTLY SMALLER COMMISSIONER WHAT I, I AGREE WITH THAT I SUPPORT THE PROPOSALS I ACTUALLY AM OPEN TO A 150 FEET MAYBE I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE EXACT RIGHT NUMBER.  I SEE YOUR POINT ABOUT YOU KNOW AS SOMEBODY ACROSS THE YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY ACROSS AMERICAN REALLY GOING TO SMELL WHAT'S COOKING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF AMERICAN BOULEVARD BUT SOMEBODY WHO'S LIVING IN A MIXED USE BUILDING IS DEFINITELY TO SMELL SOMETHING COOKING ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND THAT'S THINK REALLY MORE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AT THE HEART OF WITH LIKE SOMETHING LIKE THIS SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE RIGHT NUMBER IS BUT I COULD SEE WHERE 250 COULD COULD BE MAYBE A TOO HIGH TO BE UM TO BE WORRYING ABOUT SO I'M OPEN TO NEGOTIATION ON THAT BUT I'M FINE WITH REMOVING TYPE TWO AND AND THE REST BUT I DEFINITELY WOULD NOT WANT TO REMOVE THE ENTIRE ODOR CONTROL REQUIREMENT BE SURE HOOKED AN EXPENSIVE CHAIR I TOO AM OKAY WITH REMOVING THE SECOND, THIRD AND FOURTH BULLET POINTS WITH 150 FEET THING I WAS KIND OF THINKING ABOUT HOW MANY OF US LIVE WITHIN 150 FEET OF A BUSY STREET AND I DO OR AT LEAST AWFULLY CLOSE 250 FEET AND I DON'T EVER FEEL LIKE I'M JUST BREATHING IN EXHAUST AND THINGS WHEN I'M OUTSIDE OR SMELLING IT AND SO IF IF CAR IS DRIVING BY WITH YOU KNOW, EXHAUST COMING OUT OF THEM ALL DAY IS IS NOT ENOUGH TO BOTHER ME I THINK I'D I COULD BE IN FAVOR OF 150 FEET FOR RESTAURANTS.  COMMISSIONER CURRY THANKS. YEAH. YEAH, I SUPPORT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION. GREAT. THANK YOU ALL.  OKAY AND MOVE ON AHEAD. THANK YOU FOR SO THIS IS THE LAST SUB TOPIC HERE GREECE WE HAVE BRIAN HANSON AND JULIE LONG HERE IN THE ENGINEERING DEPARTMENT. THEY CAN SPEAK TO SOME OF THE UTILITY ASPECTS OF THIS BUT THIS FRANKLY IS THE ISSUE THAT WE IDENTIFIED AND WE WERE GETTING SPECIFIC FEEDBACK FROM BUSINESSES AND FROM COUNCIL ON THIS ONE SO WE HAD TO REPORT BACK OUT ON IT. BUT IT'S THE MATTER THAT WE HAVE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF DISCRETION ABOUT AND THE REASON BEING IS THAT AND WHAT THE SORRY LET ME BACK WHAT THIS ISSUE IS BASICALLY IS PREVENTING FATS OILS GREASES FROM BEING DEPOSITED OR SENT INTO THE WASTEWATER SYSTEM INTO THE INTO THE WASTE YEAH. SANITARY SEWER AND SO THE METROPOL AND COUNCIL WHO THE REGIONAL TREATMENT OF WASTEWATER AS WELL AS FEDERAL REGULATIONS RELATED TO EPA BOTH HAVE STANDARDS THAT HAVE TO BE MET IN TERMS OF SENDING FATS OILS AND OTHER SIMILAR MATERIALS INTO THE SEWER SYSTEM.  SO YEAH, JUST TO REITERATE WE HAVE VERY LIMITED DISCRETION HERE NOW THAT BEING SAID WHEN COMMERCIAL KITCHENS GET BUILT OUT THEY TYPICALLY NEED TO INSTALL SOME FORM OF FORM OF GREASE INTERCEPTORS. THE CITY'S OR BASE STANDARD HAS ALWAYS BEEN OR NOT ALWAYS HAS BEEN INSTALL AN EXTERNAL GREASE INTERCEPTOR OF 1000 GALLON TANK NOW THE REASON FOR THAT SIZE IT'S REALLY JUST AS A STARTING POINT TO THE CONVERSATION STARTED. BUT THE REASON FOR THAT SIZE IS ANOTHER ISSUE IS THAT THE SMALLER YOU GO AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT IMPROVED TECHNOLOGY HERE IN A MINUTE BUT THE SMALLER YOU GO THESE HAVE TO BE EMPTIED OVER TIME. SO THE SMALLER THE INTERVENTION, THE MORE MAINTENANCE IT CALLS UPON AND SO THE CITY HAS EXPERIENCED AT A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT SITES WHERE UNFORTUNATELY THEY'VE HAD TO DO MAINTENANCE OR PREVENTION ACTIVITIES AT THE COST TO THE PUBLIC OF ISSUES ARISING IN THE SEWER SYSTEM. BRIAN AND JULIE CAN SPEAK TO IT BETTER THAN I CAN BUT EFFECTIVELY WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING HERE IS THAT THE UTILITY SUPERINTENDENT HAS AUTHORITY TO APPROVE ALTERNATIVE SYSTEMS TO THIS THOUSAND GALLON. THE PROBLEM IS COST AND THE PHYSICAL SPACE IT TAKES TO INSTALL IT AND SO WE ALREADY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE SYSTEMS. THERE IS NEW TECHNOLOGY THAT IS DEVELOPING THAT ALLOWS YOU TO BE AS EFFECTIVE WITH SLIGHTLY SMALLER IT'S CALLED HYDROSTATIC I BELIEVE TYPES OF FACILITIES.  I THINK ON THIS ONE THE STAFF RECOMMENDED ACTION IS JUST CONTINUED AWARENESS AND FLEXIBILITY OF WHAT THESE ALTERNATIVE SYSTEMS ARE THERE'S ACTUALLY A THEME OR A THREAD BETWEEN.  ALL THESE ISSUES IS THAT TECHNOLOGY IS CHANGING AS WE ALL KNOW AND SO THERE'S GOING TO BE CONTINUED IMPROVEMENTS ON DEALING WITH SOME OF THESE ISSUES.  SO STAFF HAS TO BE COGNIZANT OF THAT AND THEN CERTAINLY I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY AN OPPORTUNITY TO SOME OF OUR HANDOUTS AND EDUCATIONAL MATERIALS THAT WE GIVE OUT TO PEOPLE TO HELP THEM KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHAT THE RIGHT DESIGN SOLUTIONS ARE FOR THEM. BUT YEAH, I MEAN IF YOU WANT TO GET IN THE WEEDS OR DETAILS OF THIS ONE I'D INVITE BRIAN JULIE UP BUT FRANKLY ON THIS ONE IT'S REALLY JUST A REPORT TO YOU ALL ABOUT IT. WE CAN CERTAINLY COLLECT FEEDBACK FROM PLANNING COMMISSION AND COUNCIL BUT WE'RE OBLIGATED TO ABIDE BY THESE REGULATIONS AND THERE'S A COST TO THE PUBLIC IF WE DO NOT IN TERMS IMPACTS TO THE THE PUBLIC WASTEWATER SYSTEM COMMENTS QUESTIONS.  MR. GUPTA MADAM CHAIR, I'M IN FAVOR OF THE STACK STAFF RECOMMENDATION HERE AND I HOPE I CAN BE THE FIRST TO GET A EDUCATIONAL GREASE INTERCEPTION HANDOUT SO THAT OKAY.  ALL RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU ALL.  I JUST WANT TO TOUCH ON OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT BECAUSE THIS IS ONE OF THOSE TYPES OF PROJECTS WHERE WHERE WE GET FEEDBACK AND IT'S GOOD TO GET AND LEARN PEOPLE'S EXPERIENCES. SO WE DO HAVE OUR TRADITIONAL METHODS OF LET'S TALK TO BLOOMINGTON AND WE DO HAVE A SURVEY SO YOU ARE A BUSINESS OWNER HAPPEN TO BE WATCHING PLANNING COMMISSION TODAY PLEASE TAKE THE SURVEY.  WE HAVE HAD A COUPLE OF RESPONSES LATE WE DIDN'T INCLUDE THEM THEIR PACKET BUT THAT WILL MAYBE GET ONE ASPECT OF THE NEXT STEP I'LL TOUCH ON IN THE NEXT SLIDE WE HAVE HAD COMMUNICATIONS WITH VARIOUS BUSINESS OWNERS WHO ARE KIND OF ENGAGED ON SOME OF THESE ISSUES. AS DAKOTA MENTIONED HE'S MET WITH SEVERAL ARCHITECTS ABOUT THE EXTRA MATERIALS COMPONENT AND GOTTEN DIRECT FEEDBACK THERE.  WE DID PRESENT AT A MINNEAPOLIS REGIONAL CHAMBER BLOOMINGTON CONNECTIONS EVENT WHERE WE SPECIFICALLY REFERENCED THIS PROJECT AND THEN SIMILARLY THE PLANNING RAISED THIS PROJECT AT THE ANNUAL PORT AUTHORITY BROKERS BREAKFAST WITH THE COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE BROKERS. SO FEEL LIKE GOTTEN A GOOD WORD OUT ON THIS ONE IN TERMS OF NEXT STEPS WE HAVE THE STUDY SESSION WITH THE CITY COUNCIL PLANNED FOR  JANUARY THE SIXTH AT THEIR FIRST MEETING IN 2025 IF THEY GIVE US THE GREEN LIGHT TO GO AHEAD WITH SOME OF THESE CHANGES AND THERE'S GOOD BUILT THEN WE WOULD DRAFT THOSE IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY AND PLAN TO SCHEDULE PUBLIC HEARINGS IN MARCH AND APRIL OF THIS YEAR.  UM, THE LAST BULLET IS JUST A NOTE THAT THE PORT AUTHORITY CONTEMPLATING KIND OF MORE FOR FORMALIZE SOME OF THIS BUSINESS A FEEDBACK LOOP IF YOU WILL AND THEY WANT TO JUST CONTINUE TO BUILD THE SONGER CONNECTIVE TISSUE WITH THE LOCAL BUSINESS COMMUNITY TO GETTING THEIR FEEDBACK ABOUT OUR REGULATIONS. AND SO THEORETICALLY MEAN THIS IS ALMOST KIND OF THE FIRST VERSION OF THIS BUT THEY COULD POTENTIALLY ADOPT SOMETHING EQUIVALENT OR SIMILAR TO THE MISCELLANEOUS ISSUES ORDINANCE LED BY THE PORT AUTHORITY BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES CONNECTED THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY OR SERVING THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY BUT OBVIOUSLY MANY OF THESE THINGS ARE IN ZONING AND SO THERE WOULD SOME INTERACTION OR CONNECTION THERE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO I JUST WANT TO GET THAT ON YOUR RADAR WITH THAT I'LL TAKE ANY LAST QUESTIONS BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR DILIGENT THOROUGH FEEDBACK.  ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM?  ALL RIGHT.  WE CAN MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT ITEM WHICH IS ITEM TWO.  IT IS ALSO A STUDY ITEM IS THE 2025 PLANNING COMMISSION WORK PLAN AND PLANNING SUPERVISOR JOHNSON, YOU HAVE THE STAFFER. OKAY. THANK ALL SO YEAH IT'S THAT TIME OF YEAR AGAIN WORKPLAN TIME SO JUST A REMINDER AND MAYBE MAYBE COMMISSIONER WHITE AND PREVIOUS BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS IS EXPERIENCES TOO BUT ALL OF THE BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS ARE REQUIRED TO DELIVER A WORK PLAN AND AN ANNUAL REPORT TO THE CITY COUNCIL THEIR ACCEPTANCE AND APPROVAL SO THIS ACTIVITY OR THIS AGENDA PACKET ITEM IS IN FULFILLMENT OF THAT REQUIREMENT AND SO THERE'S OTHER ELEMENTS THAT I WON'T PRESENT TO YOU TONIGHT BUT I DO HAVE SOME EXTRA SLIDES ON THEM IN OUR TALKS ABOUT KIND OF ALL THE APPLICATIONS WE RECEIVE AND JUST DOING KIND A FULL SYNOPSIS OF EVERYTHING RELATED PLANNING COMMISSION PLANNING DIVISION ACTIVITIES THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.  I WILL SHARE THIS MORE THOROUGHLY WITH THE CITY COUNCIL. YOU'RE ALL MORE AWARE OF THIS BECAUSE YOU ACTED AND REVIEWED ALL THESE ITEMS AND THIS IS NOT ALL OF THEM AND THE ATTACHED EXHIBIT ON THIS IS MORE JUST THE MORE SUBSTANTIAL ONES.  BUT YOU DID A NUMBER OF PLANS REZONINGS REGARDING AND SPECIAL PROJECTS A LOT OF CODE AMENDMENTS THIS YEAR WERE REVIEWED IN SOME FORM MANY OF WHICH ADOPTED AND DEVELOPMENTS SIDE WAS A LITTLE BIT SLOWER THAN MAYBE SOME YEARS PAST BUT STILL SOME SIGNIFICANT WERE REVIEWED AND APPROVED THIS YEAR AND THERE'S BEEN MULTIPLE PERMITS ISSUED ON SEVERAL OF THOSE PROJECTS SO YEAH TERMS OF JUST THE JUST AT A HIGH LEVEL HIGHLIGHTS I GUESS I WOULD SAY THERE'S 30 TOTAL PROJECTS IN THE DRAFT WORKPLAN ACCOUNTING FOR WHAT WE ESTIMATE TO BE 3460 HOURS OF STAFF TIME OF PLANNING DIVISION STAFF TIME TO EXECUTE THAT WE CERTAINLY PUT LOT OF PROFESSIONALS IN TO THESE PROJECTS BECAUSE MANY OF THEM CROSS DIFFERENT DISCIPLINES OR DEPARTMENTS. SO THOSE HOURS ARE JUST PLANNING DIVISION STAFF TIME. ONLY 21 OF THESE PROJECTS WOULD BE LED BY PLANNING DIVISION STAFF. WE ALSO SUPPORT OTHER DEPARTMENTS PROJECTS OF COURSE 13 OF THESE PROJECTS ARE CARRYOVER PROJECTS WHICH ARE EITHER VERY CLOSE TO CONCLUSION LIKE NEARING THE END OF THEIR PROCESS KIND OF SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE BUT THAT'S TYPICAL TO SEE SOME PROPORTION OF OUR PROJECTS CARRYOVER FROM ONE YEAR TO THE NEXT. WE ALSO DO A KIND OF LOOK AHEAD AND THAT'S ALWAYS AN INTERESTING THING FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK IF.  THERE ARE IDEAS FOR THINGS THAT ARE PERCOLATING THAT IF YOU'RE THE IF THERE'S FOR THOSE FUTURISTS ON THE BOARD THINGS THAT WE NEED TO GET AHEAD OF , IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO GET FEEDBACK ON THAT AS WELL. PLANNING DIVISION STAFFING JUST STRUCTURALLY REMAINS CONSISTENT FOR 2025 BUT I WOULD BE REMISS NOT TO BRING UP THE FACT THAT GLEN MARKET IS RETIRING AT THE BEGINNING OF FEBRUARY AND SO AGAIN STRUCTURALLY THE THE REMAINS THE SAME BUT THE LOSS OF HIS WISDOM, GUIDANCE, INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE AND JUST OPERATIONAL SUPPORT IT'S JUST GOOD TO PUT THAT KIND OF CAVEAT OR ASTERISK ON THE SITUATION THAT SOME OF THE IMPACT OF THAT IS KIND OF UNFORESEEN OR UNANTICIPATED . WE DID THIS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL LAST YEAR THAT KIND OF BROKE OUT SOME OF OUR PROJECTS IN DIFFERENT CATEGORIES AS A MEANS TO KIND OF SHOW HOW WE'RE TRYING TO BE MORE COMPREHENSIVE OR TOUCHING ON MANY DIFFERENT AREAS WITH OUR WORK PLAN NOT JUST KIND OF DEPLOYING ALL OF OUR RESOURCES IN ONE BUCKET OR ANOTHER. AND SO I'M GOING TO TRY AND USE THAT SIMILAR APPROACH YOU ALL TONIGHT IN TERMS OF HOUSING RELATED PROJECTS OR PROJECTS INTERSECT WITH HOUSING. SO WE HAVE THE ARTIST ONE ZONING DISTRICT STUDY THAT'S CLOSE TO CONCLUDING THE CO-LIVING MISSING MENTAL HOUSING NEW PROJECTS FENCE ORDINANCE REVIEW FOREIGNER LOT STANDARD STUDY OFFICIAL HEIGHT LIMITS MAP REVIEW THE SOUTH DISTRICT PLAN UPDATE IS A CARRYOVER THAT DOES INTERSECT WITH HOUSING IN SOME WAYS THE OFFICE CONVERSION STUDIES A CARRYOVER NEW PROJECT TO HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION STUDY AND THEN A CARRYOVER OF THE EQUITY REVIEW WHICH IS IN PROGRESS ON THE BUSINESS ECONOMY, SMALL BUSINESS CODES AND PROCESSES. WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT TONIGHT PARKING REQUIREMENTS REVIEW I KNOW THAT WAS NOTED AS SOMETHING THAT DOES NEED TO BE EVALUATED AND WITH THE CHANGING NATURE OF OFFICE OTHER USES AND WORKPLACE BEHAVIORS TRAVEL BEHAVIOR IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING NEED TO LOOK AT COMMERCIAL VEHICLE PARKING OF RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE SEEN AN UPTICK IN ENFORCEMENT AND KIND OF QUESTIONS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS SIGN CODE ONE LOOK BACK WHEN YOU LOOK BACK AS YOU KNOW WE ADOPTED A U.S. CODE AND FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR AND WE COMMITTED TO THE COUNCIL TO DO QUITE A QUICK EVALUATION IN TERMS OF WHAT WE LEARNED ABOUT OUR NEW SIGN CODE AND SO THEY'LL PROBABLY BE SOME DISCRETE KIND OF SIMILAR MISCELLANEOUS ISSUES BUT SOME DISCRETE OR MINOR AMENDMENTS ASSOCIATED THAT INCENTIVIZING ART CODE AMENDMENTS AGAIN THE OF DISTRICT PLAN UPDATE THE OFFICE CONVERSION STUDY MENTIONED BEFORE PARKING FACILITY STUDY SO FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW CURRENTLY THERE IS A MORATORIUM IN PLACE FOR AIRPORT REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING FACILITIES AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE STUDYING. AND SO THIS IS JUST TAKING THE FORMAL OF ADDING IT TO THE WORKPLAN SOUTH LOOP READINGS AND REZONINGS IF NECESSARY THAT'S IF THE SOUTH LOOP UPDATE RECOMMEND THAT SOME SITES BE REIGNITED OR RESIGNED AS A RESULT OF THAT PROCESS THE PORT AUTHORITY INITIATIVES AND COMMERCIAL NODES TOOL KIT THOSE ARE ALSO CARRYOVERS TRANSPORTATION THE AMERICAN BOULEVARD TRANSIT WAY HOLLAND KIRK ROBERTS ARE HERE TONIGHT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT. SO THAT'S ANOTHER GOOD SEGWAY THE NORMANDY 84TH STREET PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE PROJECT THAT'S SOMETHING NEW AND RELATES ACTUALLY TO THE AUBURNDALE LAKES DISTRICT PLAN TRANSPORTATION PROJECT SUPPORT IS ALWAYS ANOTHER NEW PROJECT WOULD BE AN IMPLEMENTATION PROGRESS OF ALL OF OUR DISTRICT CORRIDOR AND SMALL AREA PLANS. THIS EXERCISE THE SOUTH LOOP PLAN HAS BEEN ILLUMINATING IN TERMS OF TRACKING THE PROGRESS OF THE IMPLEMENTATION ELEMENTS OF THESE VARIOUS PLANS THAT IT'S GOOD TO JUST REVISIT THAT ON A SEMI-REGULAR BASIS TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT THE LIVABILITY OF LOCAL STREETS PROJECT THAT IS ON THE RADAR TO COMPLETE THAT THIS YEAR ON THE SIDE SO KIND OF A OUTGROWTH OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL STANDARDS REVIEW BUT PARTICIPATING IN KIND OF A COLLABORATION PARKS AND REC SUSTAINABILITY NATURAL RESOURCE STAFF JUST DOING SOME NATIVE HABITAT AND WILDLIFE INITIATIVES AND THAT JUST IS KIND OF BUILDING ON SOME EXISTING EFFORTS THAT THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT HAVE THE NATURALIST PROGRAM AND THERE'S A FEW OTHER THINGS GOING ON THAT THINK THAT WE CAN MAKE SOME OF THESE RESOURCES MORE AVAILABLE TO MORE AREAS OF BLOOMINGTON, THE URBAN FOREST MASTER PLAN. SO JUST RECENTLY THE CITY COUNCIL SIGNED THE CONTRACT ON THAT. IT'S A REALLY EXCITING PROJECT IN MY VIEW INVENTORYING ALL THE BOULEVARD TREES IN THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON AS WELL AS DOING A FULL CANOPY ANALYSIS OF THE WHOLE CITY AND SO THAT WILL NECESSITATE SOME PLANNING DIVISION STAFF SUPPORT ON LOOKING AT OUR POLICIES AROUND TREES AND THE CLIMATE ACTION PLAN SUPPORT SO THE SUSTAINABILITY STAFF LIKELY WILL BE BEGINNING THE PROCESS TO DO THEIR CLIMATE ACTION PLAN THIS YEAR GIVEN THE CONNECTIONS TO LAND USE TRANSPORTATION AND THE OTHER ELEMENTS OF THAT PLANNING STAFF DOES NEED TO SUPPORT THAT PROJECT AS WELL.  SO ON THE CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENTS CATEGORY OR BUCKET SO PREPARATION FOR THE 2050 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT'S I CAN'T BELIEVE WE'RE THERE YET BUT THE MET COUNCIL BE RELEASING THEIR SYSTEM STATEMENTS HERE IN MARCH I BELIEVE MAYBE LATE FEBRUARY OR I SHOULD SAY THEY'RE ADOPTING ORIGINAL PLANS THAT SYSTEM STATEMENTS BUT SO WHAT WE BASICALLY WANT TO GET DONE THIS YEAR IS CREATING A PROJECT SCHEDULE AND THINKING THROUGH A STRATEGIC COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.  SO OBVIOUSLY THE PLAN IS GOING TO NECESSITATE A LARGE VOLUME OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND JUST THINKING THROUGH THE SCHEDULE OF GETTING THAT ADOPTED BY 2028 WE WANT TO HAVE A REALLY SOLID FIRM PLAN IN PLACE AND SO THAT'S WHAT THAT PROJECT IS TO DO TO DEDICATE THOSE OR RESERVE THAT CAPACITY THAT THE STUDY THAT'S IN PROGRESS WE'VE BEEN DOING SOME WORK ON THAT JUST AND YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH MISCELLANEOUS ISSUES AND I'VE MENTIONED THE IMPLEMENTATION PROGRESS REVIEW SO THIS IS OUR ATTEMPT TO TRY AND BUILD A SCHEDULE FOR THE YEAR. CURVEBALL UP CURVEBALLS ALWAYS GET THROWN OUR AND THINGS DON'T ALWAYS GO ACCORDING TO PLAN BUT THIS IS OUR BEST GUESS AND IT'S ALSO A WAY TO TRY AND MANAGE YOUR CAPACITY TOO. YOU CAN'T HAVE ALL CAN'T HAVE TEN PUBLIC HEARINGS IN A NIGHT AS A PRESSURE COOKER IT'S COMMENTED ON A FEW TIMES SO THIS IS OUR ATTEMPT TO TRY AND BALANCE AND KIND OF SEQUENCE THESE THINGS IN A WAY THAT IS IN ANY WAY MANAGEABLE.  SO SIMILAR KEY QUESTIONS AS TO PRIOR YEARS REMOVAL OR DELAY SHOULD ANY OF THESE PROJECTS BE REMOVED FROM 2025 OR THE 26 LIST OR DELAYED IN YOUR VIEW DO ANY PROJECTS NEED TO BE ADDED THAT WE'RE NOT CURRENTLY CONSIDERING? AND IF SO, WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND YOU DO IS YOU KNOW,  THINK ABOUT RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT REMOVAL OF A KIND OF EQUIVALENT HOURS PROJECT OR SIZED PROJECT OR REPRIORITISATION. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT'S DESIGNATED AS SECOND OR KIND OF LATER YEAR PRIORITY THAT IN YOUR VIEW IS NECESSITATES MORE URGENCY RIGHT NOW BASICALLY SO WITH THAT I'M HAPPY TO TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS. WOULD YOU RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE DRAFT WORKPLAN?  THERE WE GO. SO I HAVE A SUGGESTED MOTION FOR YOU BUT I'LL TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.  I HAVE ONE QUESTION AND IT'S REGARDING THE ONE YEAR LOOK BACK AT THE SINE CODE AMENDMENT GIVEN THAT THERE WAS A LOW LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT IN THE LAST YEAR PERSONALLY DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THERE IS ENOUGH TO GO OFF A ONE YEAR LOOK BACK OR WOULD IT BE HELPFUL FOR US TO MAYBE CONSIDER A TWO YEAR LOOK BACK ? THANK YOU, CHAIR. ALBRECHT THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. WHILE THE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT HAS BEEN SLIGHTLY REDUCED THAT'S TRUE ACCORDING TO OUR TALLIES SHEET I THINK WE'VE PROCESSED ALMOST 70 AND THAT WAS YOU KNOW, DECEMBER 11TH WE PROCESSED ON MORE ALMOST 70 SIGNED PERMITS AND THANKFULLY WE HAVEN'T HAD A LOT OF ISSUES WITH THE SIGN CODE . IT'S IN OUR IN OUR JUDGMENT PERFORMING.  BUT THAT BEING SAID, WE ALREADY HAVE A LIST OF WOULD SAY 10 TO 15 TWEAKS AND ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND JUST BASED ON THE EXPERIENCE THAT WE'VE HAD SO FAR IN TERMS OF JUST HAVING OUR EYES AND REAL WORLD REAL SIGHT SITUATIONS WITH THE SIGN CODE AS OPPOSED TO THE THEORETICAL. SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IT GO FORWARD.  IN ADDITION TO THAT I THINK YOU KNOW FOR NOT MANY BUT FOR FEW PARTIES THAT REGISTERED CONCERNS ABOUT THE NEW SIGN CODE THROUGH THE PUBLIC PROCESS FOR WHATEVER REASON I THINK IT WAS A COMMITMENT THAT WE MADE TO THEM AND THE CITY COUNCIL TO TO PROVIDE THIS PROCESS.  SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT TOO, I WOULD FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION STILL SAY THAT I THINK IT SHOULD GO FORWARD NOW THAT MAKES SENSE. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER UPTON EXPENDITURE MR. JOHNSON WHEN WE LOWERED THE SPEED LIMITS I THOUGHT WE HAD A CONVERSATION.  WE WERE GOING TO COLLECT SOME DATA AND CHECK BACK IN ON THAT. AM I REMEMBERING THAT CORRECTLY AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE MIGHT SEE IN 2025. CHAIR COMMISSIONER KIRTON I DON'T RECALL THAT VERY WELL. LUCKILY KIRK ROBERTS IS HERE.  I DON'T KNOW IF ONE OF THEM HAS A RECOLLECTION THAT BUT I WELCOME THEIR HELP.  CHAIRMAN ALBRECHT COMMISSIONER COMPTON WE WILL BE DOING FOLLOW UP WORK THE SPEED LIMITS ESPECIALLY LOOKING AT SOME SPECIFIC AREAS OF THE CITY AND THEN THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN DETERMINE A DIFFERENCE CITYWIDE WE'LL DO THAT AS WELL SOMETIME IN THE NEXT YEAR. ONE OTHER THING THAT YOU MIGHT BE THINKING OF IS A STATE WAS ASKING US HOW WE DETERMINED OUR LIMITS AND THE INFORMATION BEHIND THAT. THEY HAVE APPROACHED US ON THAT. WE SENT THE INFORMATION TO THEM ON HOW WE ESTABLISHED OUR SPEED LIMIT. SO TWO THINGS THERE BUT I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION IN MEMORY REMEMBER WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING WHETHER TO DO THAT OR NOT WE WERE ASKING QUESTIONS LIKE WELL WHAT HAVE OTHER CITIES EXPERIENCE OR HOW MUCH SUCCESS IF THEY HAD IS THEIR CRASH DATA LOOK LIKE AND REMEMBER THEIR ANSWERS? WE GO WELL NO ONE'S REALLY COLLECTED ANY DATA AND IT WOULDN'T IT BE AWESOME IF WE WERE THE PEOPLE TO LEAD THE WAY ON THAT AND COLLECTING THAT DATA AND ABLE TO HELP OTHER CITIES MAKE THOSE DECISIONS. SO THANKS I DO HAVE ANOTHER GO GO FOR IT. I WASN'T SURE IF I SHOULD BRING THIS UP IN THE MISCELLANEOUS ISSUES THING WE DO AT THE END OR IN THE LAST ITEM IT CAME UP THAT CAME UP AGAIN IN THIS ONE SO I THINK I'LL TALK ABOUT IT SO I SAW UP FOR 25 WE HAVE SOMETHING CALLED INCENTIVIZING ART AND IN THE FIRST ITEM THIS EVENING WE TALKED ABOUT IT WAS BRIEFLY SOMETHING ABOUT INCENTIVIZING GREEN DESIGN THAT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS.  THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THIS IS SO WE ALREADY INCENTIVIZE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IT'S BEEN NOT PERFECT BUT WILDLY SUCCESSFUL THINK WE ARE TALKING NOW ABOUT INCENTIVIZING ART HAVE EVER CONSIDERED SOMETHING ABOUT INCENTIVIZING GREEN DESIGN SO IF YOU DO A MASS TIMBER BUILDING INSTEAD OF A CONCRETE BUILDING IS THERE SOMETHING COULD DO FOR YOU IN RETURN TO BEGIN TO INCENTIVIZE DESIGN? SO MAYBE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO IN THE SOUTH OF DISTRICT PLANT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE THERE WAS TALK OF DOING SOME MASS TIMBER IN SOUTH LOOP AND WE DIDN'T GET IT AND IF WE HAD INCENTIVIZE THEM MORE WE WOULD HAVE GOTTEN THAT MASS TIMBER BUILDING INSTEAD OF STRUCTURAL STEEL BUILDING. SO THAT'S SOMETHING I MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN THE FUTURE.  YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMENT.  CHERRY ALBERT COMMISSIONER KIRKLAND SO ONE THING I CAN REPORT OUT IS THAT I BELIEVE IT IS STILL ON THE SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION WORK PLAN TO DO SUSTAINABLE BUILDING STANDARDS AND SO THEIR ORIGINAL INVESTIGATION INTO THAT WAS THAT THEY COULD REQUIRE IT UNDER STATE LAW AS A REQUIREMENT BUT THEY ARE THINKING OF VARIOUS WAYS TO IN EFFECT INCENTIVIZE OR MAKE IT A REQUIRED COMPONENT IF THERE IS A PUBLIC SUBSIDY COMPONENT OF A PROJECT.  AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THEY ARE GOING TO BE STUDYING I BELIEVE THIS YEAR IF NOT NEXT AT THE LATEST. SO THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD PROJECT TO KIND OF KIND OF BEND THAT BROADER IDEA IN IN TERMS HOW TO DO THAT. NOW THAT BEING SAID, THERE CERTAINLY IS OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO AT WHAT OTHER CITIES ARE DOING IN THAT REGARD.  I APPRECIATE THE FEEDBACK ABOUT CONNECTION TO THE SOUTH OF PLAN GIVEN SUSTAINABILITY IS SUCH A KEY FEATURE OF THAT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING CAN SHARE WITH TOM OLSON WHO'S LEADING THAT PROJECT AND SEE IF THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES TO INTEGRATE SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES JUST TO FINISH THE THOUGHT MENTOR MAYBE THERE'S A LIKE A WHAT DID WE HAVE ON TUESDAY WE CALL A CO MEETING OR WHAT WE CALL A JOINT MEETING MAYBE A JOINT MEETING WITH THE SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION SOME DAY TO TALK ABOUT GREEN DESIGN AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND WHAT WE COULD DO TO HELP.  THANK YOU COMMISSIONER CURRIE THANKS CHAIR YEAH I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.  I WAS JUST THINKING THE SAME THING SO WE TALKED HE TALKED ABOUT SPEED LIMITS.  I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS THERE ANY OTHER ANYTHING ELSE IN THE PLAN REGARDING TRAFFIC SAFETY OR ANYTHING REGARDING 102ND STREET OUTSIDE OF KENNEDY AND OLSON.  AND THEN LAST THOUGHT AS YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAD THAT 50% SAFETY RATING OR PERCENTILE TERMS OF SAFETY FOR THAT ROAD SPECIFICALLY. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW DIFFICULT IT WOULD BE TO JUST DO A SIMPLE STACK RANK OF , YOU KNOW, THE SAFEST AND LEAST SAFE STREETS IN THE CITY AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING INTERESTING THAT COMES OUT OF THAT THAT WE SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AT. BUT I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT SOMETHING REGARDING STREET SAFETY.  YEAH. CHAIR ALBRECHT I MEAN I WOULD CERTAINLY WOULD DEFER TO THE CITY ENGINEER AND HER STAFF ABOUT THE BEST WAY TO APPROACH THAT. I MEAN THEY'RE HERE THEY CAN TAKE YOUR FEEDBACK AND KIND OF MAP THAT OUT IN TERMS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM A PROJECT BUT I KNOW THEY DO COLLECT A LOT OF DATA THE YEAR AS PART OF THEIR TYPICAL OPERATIONS SO THERAPIST COMMISSIONER CURRIE SO 102ND STREET WE HAVE ADDED THAT WE WILL PUT A REQUEST IN IN THE 2025 BUDGET TO STUDY THAT CORRIDOR. THIS IS BETWEEN FRANCE NORMANDY IN 2026 IS THE PLAN NOW WE CONTINUE  WORK ON WE IMPLEMENTED THE SCHOOL ZONE SPEED LIMITS THERE THIS FALL OVER THE WINTER HERE AND THOSE ARE IN EFFECT OPERATIONAL. WE WILL BE ASKING TO STUDY THE ENTIRE CORRIDOR IN 2026 TO THE 50TH PERCENTILE I THINK THAT YOU'RE ALLUDING TO THAT WAS THE RANKING OF FRANCE AVENUE AT 102ND STREET WHERE IT FELL THE COUNTY'S CRASH RANKING THERE BASICALLY IT WAS ABOUT AVERAGE FOR A COUNTY INTERSECTION AND I THINK THE STATEMENT THAT WAS BEING CONVEYED THERE. WE DO RANK INTERSECTIONS DO CRASH RATINGS.  THAT'S A SPREADSHEET THAT WE TRACK EVERY YEAR.  I'M HAPPY TO PROVIDE THOSE THE TOP TEN LIST TO YOU IF YOU'D LIKE THAT INFORMATION.  WE'D PROBABLY JUST DO THAT THROUGH AN UPDATE, THROUGH THE PLANNING MANAGER.  MR. ROBERTS I HAVE A QUESTION AND ACTUALLY HAS TO DO THIS SO THE SPEED LIMIT SO MY MY DAUGHTER'S IN DAYCARE AT RICHFIELD AND I NOTICED THEY DECREASED SPEED LIMITS AS WELL AND THEY HAVE A TON OF SIGNS EVERYWHERE.  THAT PART OF THE PLAN FOR BLOOMINGTON.  YEAH. CHAIR ALBRECHT WHAT IF YOU CAN GIVE ME A LITTLE DETAIL ON WHAT WE HAVE ABOUT 16,000 SIGNS IN THE CITY AND WE WERE ALWAYS WILLING TO ADD MORE AND ACTUALLY AS PART OF OUR SPEED LIMIT CHANGE WE HAD ABOUT 400 NEW SIGNS AND SO WHAT SIGN ARE YOU THINKING OF THERE SIGNS ACTUALLY A TON OF THEM ALL OVER THE PLACE. THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THAT GOT FROM THE COUNCIL WHEN WE CHANGED THE SPEED LIMITS WAS MONEY TO HAVE OUR COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT DO AN OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT WORK AND SO SIMILAR TO MINNEAPOLIS WITH THEIR TOW IS PLENTY YARD SIGNS THAT YOU COULD GET FROM THE CITY. THEY ARE LAUNCHING THAT EFFORT. THERE'S A CONTRACT IN PLACE AND THEY'RE LAUNCHING THAT NOW. NOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TO COME UP WITH SPECIFICALLY IF THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'LL USE IN THERE. BUT THAT WORK GOING FORWARD? WELL, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I KNOW IT'S SORT OF OFF TOPIC.  I NOTICED IT AND NOTICE IT ALL THE TIME AND THERE IN VARIOUS AND WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT CHEEKY SAYINGS I SOMETHING I NOTICED I'M EXCITED TO DO THAT YEAH I'M EXCITED TO SEE THAT OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT WORK ENGINEERING WORK ON THAT AND WE DON'T ALWAYS COMMUNICATE TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS WE WOULD LIKE AND SO I'M EXCITED TO HAVE THAT OUR COMMUNICATIONS GROUP ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY THAT WAY. EXCELLENT.  YOU  I THEIR QUESTIONS COMMISSIONER I'M JUST HOPING WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME CHEEKY SAYINGS FOR OTHER PLANNING RELATED YES THANK MATTERS OF THE CITY. I AGREE AGREE A NEW PROJECT ON THE WORK PLAN CAN DEFINITELY ALL RIGHT IF YOU WANT TO THROW THAT MOTION BACK UP THANK.  ANYONE WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION? BE SURE YOU CHAIR I MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE 2025 PLANNING COMMISSION WORKPLAN SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I OPPOSED THAT MOTION PASSES AND THAT ITEM MOVES ON TO FINAL APPROVAL AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON JANUARY SIX OF 2025.  THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU FOR THE FEEDBACK.  ALL RIGHT, ONTO THE NEXT ITEM ITEM THREE IS ALSO A STUDY ITEM. IT IS THE AMERICAN BOULEVARD TRANSIT STUDY AND TRAFFIC AND TRANSPORTATION.  MR. ROBERTS HAS THE REPORT. I'M BACK .  ALL RIGHT, GERALD. BUT COMMISSIONERS, WE ARE KICKING OFF THE AMERICAN BOULEVARD TRANSIT STUDY AND.  WE WERE AT COUNCIL ON MONDAY TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THEM AND HERE WE ARE TONIGHT TO TALK TO ABOUT IT. THE STUDY THAT WE'RE DOING EXTENDS FROM EAST BUSH LAKE ROAD ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE CITY ALL THE WAY OVER TO 34TH AVENUE ON THE EAST SIDE NEAR THE NATIONAL REFUGE.  YOU'RE ALL PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH AMERICAN BOULEVARD IF YOU'VE LIVED IN BLOOMINGTON ANY TIME IT'S A PARALLEL ROUTE TO THE 494 IT WAS IT WAS DESIGNED AND BUILT AS SORT OF A RELIEVER TO THE 494 WHICH HAS BEEN CONGESTED FOR MANY, MANY YEARS WITH THE CONSTRUCTION YOU SEE THERE. NOW THE CITY HAS PUSHED FOR THOSE IMPROVEMENTS FOR A GOOD QUITE A WHILE THERE. FINALLY HAPPENING SO THAT'S IMPROVEMENTS TO CAPACITY AND SAFETY TO THE INTERCHANGE 35 W AND THE ENTIRE 494 CORRIDOR HOPEFULLY THAT WILL RELIEVE SOME OF THE CONGESTION FROM AMERICAN BOULEVARD AND SO IT GIVES US A CHANCE NOW WITH THAT IN MIND TO KIND OF TAKE LOOK AT THIS ROAD IF IT DOESN'T HAVE TO SERVE THIS FOR MDOT, WHAT DOES THIS ROAD NEED TO LOOK LIKE FOR THE CITY AND ? THAT'S ONE OF THE QUESTIONS FOR THIS STUDY GENERALLY IN THE PAST VOLUMES ON AMERICAN BOULEVARD HAVE THEY RANGE ABOUT 3000 CARS A DAY UP TO ABOUT 17,000 CARS A DAY. SO IS A SIGNIFICANTLY BUSY CORRIDOR WITH ITS PROXIMITY THE 494 AND WHAT'S KNOWN AS THE 494 STRIP THERE'S A LOT OF EXCELLENT EMPLOYMENT, JOBS AND THINGS LIKE THAT ALONG THE CORRIDOR ONE OF THE THINGS BLOOMINGTON'S BEEN REALLY FORTUNATE IN IN THE PAST TEN YEARS IS THAT WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF INVESTMENT IN THE CITY GO BACK ONE SLIDE HERE SO WITH THE OPENING IN THE ORANGE LINE THE THAT'S THE ORANGE LINE OBVIOUSLY ON THE MAP HERE THE GREEN LINE THE SOUTHERLY ROUTE OR THE GREEN LINE RUNS THROUGH BLOOMINGTON ON AMERICAN BOULEVARD THAT OPENED UP RECENTLY AS WELL. WE'VE GOT THE LINE DOWN ACROSS THE RIVER AND OF COURSE THE BLUE LINE LRT IN BLOOMINGTON'S LONG TERM PLANS AMERICAN BOULEVARD HAS ALWAYS BEEN SLATED FOR A BRT ROUTE AND IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE THERE. IT INTERSECTS WHOLE LOT OF THE OTHER TRANSIT ROUTES IN THEN IN THE LATEST MET COUNCIL PLAN THEY'VE AGREED WITH US BUT IN THE LATEST PLAN THEY DIDN'T PUT IT IN THERE FOR IMMEDIATE DEVELOPMENT IT'S STILL IN THEIR LONG TERM PLANS BUT IT'S SORT OF BEEN PUT IN KIND OF A LONGER TERM STATUS AND WE WE WE'RE STILL INTERESTED IN SEEING THIS GO FORWARD AND SO WITH THAT IT'S STILL PART OF THEIR PLANS BUT IT'S THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO SOME DEVELOPMENT WORK FOR AND THAT'S IMPORTANT US IF YOU LOOK AT THIS HEAT MAP ON TRANSIT USE IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW AMERICAN, BOULEVARD IS AS CLEARLY A SPOT THAT GETS A LOT OF TRANSIT USE.  IT RUNS THROUGH THREE OF OUR SPECIAL DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. IT'S BOOKENDED ON THE WEST SIDE BY THE NORMAN DALE LAKE DISTRICT AND WE SEE A LOT OF TRANSIT EMERGING IN THAT DISTRICT NOW WITH THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE, THE RESIDENTIAL IN ADDITION TO OFFICE RIGHT THROUGH THE HEART OF PAN AMERICAN WHERE YOU HAVE THE ORANGE LINE AND THEN OF COURSE AS YOU GET OVER INTO THE SOUTH LOOP THAT'S LAST SPECIAL USE DISTRICT WHERE WE JUST SEE A LOT OF TRANSIT USE TRADITIONAL I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS STUDY IF FOR BLOOMINGTON IF IT'S GOING TO REMAIN A CITY THAT'S FAIR, SAFE AND AFFORDABLE TRANSIT GOING TO HAVE TO BE A PART OF THAT. AND SO I'M EXCITED ABOUT THIS WORK.  THE STUDY THE PRIMARY GOALS OF THE STUDY IS AGAIN AS MENTIONED TO PUT A KEEP AMERICAN BOULEVARD IN THE LONG TERM TRANSIT PLAN AND TO DO THAT WE'VE GOT TO START DEVELOPING THAT AND THAT'S THE SECOND GOALS WE NEEDED TO DEVELOP THE ARTERIAL BRT LINE, FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, WHAT IT WOULD COST, HOW DO WE START PROGRAMING THAT?  IT'S NOT ENOUGH THOUGH ANYMORE TO JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, METRO TRANSIT CAN BUILD US A BRT LINE THE CITY NEEDS TO MEET THEM WITH OUR INVESTMENTS IN HOW WE INVEST IN THE ROADWAY AND SO THAT'S THE NEXT GOAL OF THE STUDY IS WHAT CAN WE DO AS A CITY TO THIS CORRIDOR ATTRACTIVE FOR THAT CONTINUING TRANSIT INVESTMENT THAT WE WANT TO SEE FROM OUR COUNCIL AND THAT COULD BE THINGS LIKE LOOKING THE DENSITY IN TERMS OF THE LAND USE LAST MILE CONNECTIONS,  BIKES, PEDESTRIANS CAN WE MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE INVITING THOSE LAST MILE TRIPS, THOSE LAST HALF MILE TRIPS WHAT DO WE NEED TO START DOING LONG TERM TO MAKE THAT A GOOD CORRIDOR AND THEN AS STATED EARLIER, WE NEED TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE OF AMERICAN BOULEVARD.  WHAT DOES THIS ROADOOK LIKE FOR THE CITY OF BLOOMINGTON NOW THAT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A PARALLEL ROUTE TO THIS BUSY INTERSTATE?  WHAT SHOULD THE ROAD LOOK LIKE FOR THE COMMUNITY? AND SO THAT'S THE LAST GOAL.  ANOTHER THING I'M EXCITED ABOUT IS THE PEOPLE WE HAVE WORKING ON IT. THE STUDY IS BY ADELE HALL. SHE'S A VERY EXPERIENCED TRANSIT PLANNER. SHE COMES TO US FROM SRF CONSULTING AND SHE'S GOING TO WALK THROUGH THE REST OF THE PRESENTATION PRESENTATION .  GOOD EVENING. HELLO MY NAME IS ADELE HALL AND I AS KIRK SAID I'M THE CONSULTANT TEAM PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE AMERICAN BOULEVARD TRANSIT STUDY AND I DO COME TO YOU FROM SRF IT'S MY CHARGE TONIGHT TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE SCOPE AND SCHEDULE FOR THE STUDY WE ARE STARTING WE STARTED LAST MONTH AND THE STUDY WILL RUN JUST SHY OF A YEAR. WE START WITH EVALUATING EXISTING CONDITIONS AND THAT INCLUDES THE LAND USE DEVELOPMENT CHARACTERISTICS IN THE CORRIDOR AS WELL AS TRANSPORTATION PATTERNS ON AMERICAN BOULEVARD FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE RIDING THE BUS, PEOPLE WHO ARE WALKING, BIKING AND TO A LIGHT EXTENT DRIVING WE'RE DOING A TECHNICAL ANALYSIS LOOKING AT YOUR EXISTING DATA AND THEN WILL COUPLE THAT WITH WHAT WE LEARN IN A FIRST PHASE OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT COMING UP NEXT MONTH.  SO WE INTEND TO GO OUT TO THE PUBLIC USING THE LET'S TALK BLOOMINGTON SET UP FOR AN ONLINE SURVEY WE'LL TAKE THAT SAME SURVEY OUT ON THE ROUTE 542 AND TALK TO SOME BUS RIDERS.  I WILL ALSO HOST AN OPEN HOUSE DATE AND TIME LOCATION STILL TBD THAT WILL BE IN ROUGHLY MID-JANUARY AND THEN WE ARE ALSO PLANNING SOME SPECIFIC STAKEHOLDER WITH STAKEHOLDERS IDENTIFIED BY CITY OF BLOOMINGTON COMMITTEE ENGAGEMENT STAFF SO REALLY THE EXISTING CONDITIONS KIND OF PUTS TOGETHER REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE THAT WE HEAR ABOUT FROM PEOPLE AS WELL AS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE DATA AND WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO LEARN ABOUT WHAT'S OUT THERE BUT WE'RE ALSO COMING TO YOU.  WE WENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL ON MONDAY TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND THE VISION IS FOR THIS CORRIDOR SO IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT WHAT IT TODAY, IT'S ALSO ABOUT WHAT IT CAN BE IN THE FUTURE AND CREATING THAT VISION IS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT REALLY FORMS THE BASIS FOR US TO CREATE SOME CONCEPTS FOR WHAT AMERICAN BOULEVARD COULD LOOK LIKE AND IS A GENERIC EXAMPLE HERE DOWN BELOW YOU CAN SEE THAT A CONCEPT MIGHT INCLUDE YOU KNOW, WHAT TO DO ABOUT BUSSES, WHAT TO DO ABOUT BIKES, WHAT DO ABOUT PEDESTRIANS, WHAT TO DO ABOUT LANDSCAPING MIGHT SHOW LIKE SUGGEST DEVELOPMENT PATTERNS ALONG A CORRIDOR AND AND WILL DEVELOP THESE CONCEPTS IN RESPONSE TO THAT AND WILL ALSO EVALUATE THEM ACCORDING THAT VISION AS WELL. SO ONCE WE HAVE DEVELOPED SOME FOR THE CORRIDOR THAT INCLUDE BRT THAT INCLUDE REVISED PEDESTRIAN CONDITIONS OR OR ELSE WE KIND OF HEAR EXPRESSED IN THE VISION WE WILL THEN EVALUATE IT AND THESE ARE THESE EVALUATION CRITERIA LISTED ON THE BOTTOM THERE ARE SOME TYPICAL ONES WE OFTEN USE IN STUDIES LIKE THIS LOOK AT TRANSIT RIDERSHIP LIKE IF WE WERE TO GO FORWARD WITH THIS CONCEPT WHAT TRANSIT RIDERSHIP LOOK LIKE, WHAT WOULD BE THE COST OF DEVELOPING THIS THIS NEW CONCEPT? HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST TO OPERATE TRANSIT ON THAT ON ROUTE?  WHAT WOULD IT BE LIKE FOR PEDESTRIANS AND CYCLISTS KIND OF LAND USE CHANGES COULD WE EXPECT AND HOW COULD WE EXPECT GREENHOUSE AND VMT TO CHANGE AND SO WE'LL LOOK AT ALL OF THAT AND THEN WE HAVE 1/2 PHASE OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT NEXT SUMMER IN AUGUST WE WILL GO BACK OUT TO THE PUBLIC AND TALK ABOUT WITH THEM ABOUT WHAT WE'VE LEARNED.  SO THEN THE STUDY CULMINATES IN A NEXT STEPS AND FINAL REPORT. THE NEXT STEPS WILL REALLY FOCUS ON WHAT DID WE LEARN AND HOW DOES THAT TRANSLATE INTO WHAT THE CITY CAN DO TO REALIZE THAT VISION ON AMERICAN BOULEVARD AND THAT CONCLUDES MY PORTION OF THE SCOPING SCHEDULE AND NOW WE GET TO THE PART OF THE PRESENTATION WHERE I'M SEEKING YOUR FEEDBACK AND THAT IS ON THIS VISION STATEMENT. THIS IS A VERY GENERIC EXAMPLE OF PURPOSELY GENERIC EXAMPLE OF A VISION STATEMENT AND I'LL JUST GIVE YOU A MOMENT TO KIND OF READ IT TAKE IT  IN SO YOU CAN SEE IT. IT MENTIONS PATTERNS, IT MENTIONS YOU KNOW, VARIOUS MODES OF TRANSPORT ON THE CORRIDOR BUT IT'S GENERIC IN THAT IT DOESN'T ASSIGN MUCH PRIORITY OR REALLY EMPHASIZE IN PARTICULAR.  BUT YOU CAN KIND OF GET A SENSE OF SORT OF WORDS THAT WE MIGHT USE IN A STATEMENT LIKE THIS. AND SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING DO IS TO IS TO REALLY TAKE THIS STATEMENT AND REALLY MAKE IT MUCH MORE MEANINGFUL FOR THIS CORRIDOR.  AND SO OUR QUESTIONS FOR YOU ALL TONIGHT ARE WHAT IS YOUR IDEAL OUTCOME FOR THIS STUDY? WHAT SHOULD THE TEAM FOCUS ON DURING THE STUDY AND WHAT IS YOUR PRIORITY FOR AMERICAN BOULEVARD CORRIDOR?  AND I'LL STAY ON FOR QUESTIONS AND JUST TO LISTEN TO ANY FEEDBACK YOU MIGHT HAVE COMMENTS. ARTS COMMISSIONER GOOD TO THINK ABOUT CHAIR BEFORE I GET TO THE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.  SO A COUPLE OF GENERAL THOUGHTS IF THAT'S OKAY. SURE. I'D LIKE TO SAY I'M SUPER GLAD WE'RE DOING THIS. I THINK YOU PROBABLY REMEMBER LIKE I DO MADAM CHAIR, WHEN METRO TRANSIT CAME BEFORE US AND SAID WE'RE TAKING YOU OFF THE LIST AND I JUST REMEMBER IT WAS RIDICULOUS WHEN YOU LOOKED AT ALL THE DATA AS TO HOW THEY MADE THEIR DECISION. WE CHECKED LIKE EIGHT OF THE NINE BOXES BUT THERE WAS ONE BOX THAT WE COULD HAVE CHECKED BECAUSE OF WHATEVER REASON IT WASN'T. THEY TOOK US OFF THE LIST AND IT WAS IT WAS RIDICULOUS PARTICULARLY AND YOU LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER THINGS BLOOMINGTON DOES RIGHT FOR MET COUNCIL WITH OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND OTHER THINGS AND IT JUST FELT LIKE THIS IS NO PARTNERSHIP AT ALL WE'RE DOING AWESOME THINGS FROM THE COUNCIL AND THEY'RE NOT REWARDING US IN ANY WAY WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BLUE LINE AND WHERE WE WERE ESPECIALLY A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WITH THE BLUE LINE AND THEN THEY TOOK US OFF THE BRT IS LIKE THIS ISN'T A FAIR RELATIONSHIP ALL SO I'M GLAD WE'RE DOING THIS TO CONVINCE THEM THAT COUNCIL AND METRO TRANSIT THAT WE ARE THE RIGHT CHOICE FOR EXPANDED BUS RAPID ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT 494 I MEAN WHAT CAN WE DO TO TAKE TRAFFIC OVER 94 FOR RELIABLE PUBLIC TRANSIT PARALLEL TO IT AND IT'S JUST SO OBVIOUS AND SO SUPER GLAD WE'RE DOING THIS.  ONE OF THE THINGS I GUESS TO KICK ONE OF THESE QUESTIONS HERE SOMEWHERE I'M SURE IS ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD LIKE AN OUTCOME OF THE STUDY TO BE IS THAT WE START GETTING BUILDINGS CLOSER TO AMERICAN BOULEVARD AGAIN. THE LAST FEW DEVELOPMENTS WE'VE SEEN ON AMERICAN BOULEVARD THE BUILDINGS ARE SO FAR AWAY WE JUST SAW BLOOMINGTON HERE WHERE THAT BUILDING WAS SUPER FAR AWAY THE TOYOTA DEALERSHIP BEFORE THAT IS PRETTY FAR AWAY. YOU THAT OLIVE GARDEN WHEN THAT CAME BEFORE US OLIVE GARDEN IS ACRES AWAY FROM AMERICAN BOULEVARD AND SO IF WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT LAST MILE TRANSIT AND STUFF FOR BRINGING THOSE BUILDINGS CLOSER TO THE STREET TO MAKE IT MORE PEDESTRIAN, IT'S LIKE GOT TO BE ONE OF THE LEAST PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY STREETS IN THE ENTIRE CITY OUTSIDE OF ALL GEOGRAPHY ROAD THIS IS LIKE RIGHT THERE IS REALLY TOUGH FOR FOR PEDESTRIANS RECOGNIZING THAT THERE'S A TON OF TRAFFIC ON IT AND I HAVEN'T STUDIED IT OBVIOUSLY FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT I THINK IT WOULD BE HARD TO GET RID OF A LANE OF TRAFFIC THERE JUST BECAUSE OF HOW MUCH DEMAND THERE IS.  SO RECOGNIZING THERE'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULTIES BUT IT'S NOT PARTICULARLY PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AND SO IF WE WANT TO HAVE BETTER TRANSIT, BETTER LAST MILE HALF MILE TRIPS ETC. ,I THINK IT'S ABOUT MAKING IT BETTER ON A HUMAN SCALE FOR FOR PEOPLE INSTEAD OF JUST CARS.  YEAH I AGREE THAT THE THING THAT CAME TO ME WHEN WHEN WE WERE FIRST TALKING ABOUT THIS WAS THE POTENTIAL FOR ART IN THIS CORRIDOR I COULD REALLY SEE THIS BEING A PLACE IN WHICH PEOPLE COME TO TO EXPERIENCE BLOOMINGTON IN A DIFFERENT WAY LIKE THAT I THINK ABOUT YOU KNOW THERE ARE THERE ARE PLACES LIKE WE'RE IN SAN DIEGO.  WE WERE AT THE CONFERENCE AND THEY HAVE THAT THAT WHOLE ART DISTRICT AND THEY HAVE A TON OF PUBLIC ART ALONG THAT. DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT THAT WAS SOME OF US HAD COVERED IN SAN DIEGO? THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT.  I FORGOT ABOUT THAT. I APOLOGIZE. BUT THEY HAD THIS WHOLE ART DISTRICT AND IT'S VERY TRANSPORTATION ADJACENT IT'S YOU KNOW SOME SIMILAR SIMILAR FEEL TO THE MURAL THAT IS OFF 77 AND WELL THAT'S OLD CEDAR AND 77 THAT FEEL I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF POTENTIAL AND A LOT OF BUSINESS PARTNERSHIPS WHO WOULD BE REALLY INTERESTED IN HAVING THIS BE SOME SORT OF I DON'T WANT TO THEME BECAUSE THAT SOUNDS A LITTLE CHEEKY BUT BUT I DEFINITELY SEE THE POTENTIAL FOR ALMOST LIKE AN ART DISTRICT OR SOME SORT SHOWCASE OF BLOOMINGTON IN THIS WAY.  COMMISSIONER CURRY THANKS SHERIFF. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.  I WAS AND WASN'T THINKING ABOUT THAT.  I MEAN JUST LOOKING AT AMERICAN BOULEVARD I THINK YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S DIFFERENT THE  THEMES AREN'T THE RIGHT WORD BUT THERE'S DIFFERENT SECTIONS TO IT WITH DIFFERENT KIND OF PERSONALITIES IF YOU WILL. SO I THINK IT PROBABLY I MEAN I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU TIE THEM ALL TOGETHER. THERE'S MAYBE CERTAIN AREAS WHERE YOU CAN DO THAT. AND THEN THERE'S OTHER AREAS THAT COULD BE MORE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY.  I ALSO AGREE THAT I MEAN I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU MAKE AMERICAN PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY EXCEPT OVER THE COURSE OF 20 PLUS YEARS OF REDEVELOPMENT.  I DO THINK IT IS AN AREA IF YOU CAN ACTUALLY FIND, YOU KNOW, 3 TO 4 FEET, YOU KNOW LEFT TO RIGHT WHERE YOU COULD POTENTIALLY PUT IN A SINGLE VEHICLE LANE THAT DOES GO ACROSS THE ENTIRE CITY. SO I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE ONLY ROAD WHERE WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY. SO THAT'S THAT'S ALL I GOT.  COMMISSIONER WHITE SO I ALWAYS THINK OF OLD SACKVILLE AS KIND OF OUR BACK PORCH AND AMERICAN BOULEVARD IS KIND OF OUR FRONT PORCH WHEN PEOPLE COME TO BLOOMINGTON IT'S USUALLY THROUGH AMERICAN BOULEVARD AND IT'S THE SHORTCUT TO EVERYWHERE AND IT'S I DON'T WANT TO GET ON FOR 94 SO I'M GOING TO HOP ON AMERICAN AND AND I THINK THAT THE KEY TRANSIT IS ALWAYS MAKING IT EASY TO USE AND CONNECT TO THINGS IN A VERY CONVENIENT WAY. AND I THINK THE MORE WE CAN SHOW A NEED AND AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT IN THIS STUDY TO MAKE THE CASE FOR THAT THE BETTER. AND SO I HOPE IS AN OUTCOME OF THE STUDY. I THAT YOU KNOW IN TERMS OF A VISION FOR AMERICAN BOULEVARD I DON'T THINK YOU EVER GETS EVER GOING TO BE A CHARMING PEDESTRIAN THOROUGHFARE IS AS LOVELY AS THAT SOUNDS. I THINK PERHAPS THERE'S OTHER FOR THAT IN THE CITY THAT WE SHOULD BE EXPLORING. BUT I DO THINK THAT IT CAN BE A SAFER PLACE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE ON FOOT OR NOT. AND I THINK THE IDEA OF HAVING A SAFER BIKE PATH ACROSS THE CITY IS AN IMPORTANT ONE WHETHER THAT'S ON AMERICAN BOULEVARD, I DON'T KNOW. I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT THING TO STUDY WHETHER THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE IT'S ABSOLUTELY NEED THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY IS A VERY INTRIGUING IDEA.  BUT I THINK THAT YOU THERE'S JUST NO NO ARGUING THE FACT THAT FOR BLOOMINGTON AMERICAN BOULEVARD IS A VERY MAIN THOROUGHFARE THAT ONE OF THE FEW ROADS THAT CONNECTS EAST TO WEST AND ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO MAKE THAT MORE EFFICIENT,  LESS PAINFUL AND MORE FRIENDLY TO AS MANY DIFFERENT MODES OF TRANSPORTATION AS POSSIBLE AND AS ATTRACTIVE TO GETTING PEOPLE OUT OF THEIR CARS AS POSSIBLE THE BETTER.  SO WHATEVER YOUR STUDY CAN DO TO SHOW THAT AND ENCOURAGE THAT WOULD HAVE MY FULL SUPPORT.  THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT THAT I HAVE IS THERE ARE A LOT OF CULTURAL COMMUNITY IS ALONG THE CORRIDOR AS WELL AND SO I THINK THAT SHOULD BE BROUGHT OUT IN ADDITION TO WHAT I SAID ABOUT THE ART I AM A LITTLE BIT ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FENCE ON MULTIPLE MODES OF TRANSPORTATION UNLESS IT'S A DEDICATED PROTECTED BIKE LANE. I THINK HAVING IT BE IN THE SAME SURFACE AS A BUS RAPID TRANSIT IN , OTHER CARS I THINK WE'D BE WE DON'T HAVE A WE DON'T HAVE A STABLE AND GOOD CULTURE OF I WOULD SAY BIKE ABILITY INNER CITY SO STARTING THERE WOULD BE REALLY . IT WOULD BE DIFFICULT TO PROVE IT OUT FROM THERE I'M THINKING OF YOU KNOW IT'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN IN MINNEAPOLIS YOU KNOW ON BRYANT IS A MUCH DIFFERENT EXPERIENCE THAN YOU WOULD BIKE ON LYNDALE AND SO YOU DON'T BIKE ON LYNDALE BECAUSE YOU BIKE ON BRYANT AND THAT HAS A PROTECTED BIKE LANE AND IT HAS SPEED HUMPS AND AS YOU KNOW THERE'S THERE IS FOCUS TO THAT AND SO I WOULD LEAN TOWARDS IF WE'RE TO DO A BUS RAPID TRANSIT AND IF IT'S NOT AS PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY WHICH I DON'T THINK I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LONG TIME. I WOULD LEAN TOWARDS NOT HAVING A BIKE LANE UNLESS IT WAS FULLY PROTECTED. COMMISSIONER WHITE MADAM CHAIR, I AGREE. I THINK IT'S UNLIKELY YOU WILL FIND IT IS A DOABLE OPTION FOR AMERICAN BOULEVARD BUT I DO THINK THAT IF STUDY CAN SHOW THAT AND YET REINFORCE THE NEED FOR I'D ENCOURAGE YOU TO TALK TO THE SUSTAINABILITY COMMISSION BECAUSE KNOW THEY DID SOME WORK A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO ABOUT LOOKING ROUTES POTENTIAL ROUTES ALONG WITH AROUND THE CITY AND DID SOME FEASIBILITY WORK AROUND LIKE ROUTES. SO WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO TALK TO THEM IF YOU HAVEN'T ALREADY. SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS? DID YOU GET EVERYTHING YOU WERE LOOKING?  YES. THANK YOU. THIS IS REALLY GREAT. I THINK KIRK I WILL BE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF RE LISTENING TO THIS CONVERSATION RE LISTENING TO OUR COUNSEL CONVERSATION AND KIND OF SYNTHESIZING ALL THAT WITH ALSO WHAT WE HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC AS WELL AND TRYING TO WORK THAT INTO THAT VISION STATEMENT AND GOALS FOR THE CORRIDOR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR GOOD APPRECIATE THAT.  ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON TO ITEM FOUR OF OUR AGENDA WHICH IS ALSO A STUDY ITEM IT IS CONSIDERATION OF APPROVAL OF THE DRAFT NOVEMBER 7TH AND NOVEMBER 21ST MEETING OF PLANNING COMMISSION . THE MEETING SYNOPSIS.  AND I DON'T HAVE WHO WAS THERE AND WHO WASN'T.  I WAS AT BOTH OF THEM.  BUT DO WE HAVE QUORUM TO ACT ON EITHER OF THESE OR BOTH OF THESE THESE?  OH, SO SO 5 MINUTES SO THERE BE THREE. SO THAT'S THAT WASN'T FOR SURE . OH, SORRY, SIR. ALL RIGHT WE'LL START WITH THE NOVEMBER 7TH. CAN I GET A MOTION. MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SYNOPSIS FOR NOVEMBER 7TH 2024 IS PRESENTED. SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE THE NOVEMBER 7TH MEETING. SYNOPSIS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.  ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I ANY YOU OPPOSED.  ALL RIGHT, THAT ONE PASSES. ALL RIGHT. 1121 I BELIEVE YES. GO FOR IT. WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. YES, MADAM CHAIR, I TO MOVE TO APPROVE THE DRAFT MEETING SYNOPSIS FOR NOVEMBER 21ST 2024 IS PRESENTED SECOND. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION IN THE SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I THOSE OPPOSED THAT MOTION.  ALL RIGHT. MOVING ON WE ARE AT ITEM FIVE IS ALSO A STUDY ITEM IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION POLICY AND ISSUES UPDATE AND PLANNING MANAGER MARK AAGAARD YOU HAVE THE FLOOR CHAIR OVER IT. COMMISSIONERS GOOD EVENING.  LOOKING FORWARD TO YOUR NEXT MEETING WITH NORMALLY BE JANUARY 16TH HOWEVER WE HAVE NO ITEMS ON THAT AGENDA AND WE DIDN'T CONTINUE TONIGHT SO THAT MEETING WOULD BE CANCELED AND THEN THE NEXT MEETING WOULD BE JANUARY 30TH. THAT AGENDA HAS NOT FULLY CLOSED YET. THAT WOULD CLOSE NEXT TUESDAY BUT WE DO HAVE TWO STUDY ITEMS SO FAR ON THE AGENDA.  WELL, ACTUALLY A PUBLIC HEARING AND A STUDY ITEM PUBLIC HEARING IS THE RS ONE AND OUR ONE A ZONING DISTRICT AMENDMENTS.  AND THEN THE SECOND ITEM STUDY ITEM WOULD BE ONE YEAR LOOK BACK SAYING CODE AMENDMENTS,  TALK ABOUT THAT AS A STUDY SESSION AND THEN THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BECOME A PUBLIC HEARING LATER.  THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE COMING UP. I DO WANT TO MENTION AND I SENT THIS OUT VIA EMAIL EARLIER BUT I KNOW SOME STAFF OR PLANNING COMMISSIONERS ARE HAVING ACCESS PROBLEM TO THEIR CITY EMAIL RIGHT NOW. SO JUST WANT TO MENTION THE NATIONAL PLANNING THIS YEAR WILL BE IN DENVER AND THAT'S MARCH 29TH TO APRIL 1ST. SO ABOUT IF YOU'RE ABLE TO AND INTERESTED IN ATTENDING.  AND THEN JUST LET ME KNOW SOON AS YOU CAN WHETHER YOU'RE A YES OR NO OR MAYBE WE'LL GET A REQUEST AND ALLOW YOU TO REGISTER FOR THAT CONFERENCE.  EXCELLENT.  ANY OTHER ITEMS WE WISH TO DISCUSS , COMMISSIONER? THANKS, CHAIR.  I BELIEVE CHAIR ALBERT HAD BROUGHT UP IN THE PAST LOOKING AT OUR ATTENDANCE AND CONSIDERING MATERNITY OR PATERNITY AND I DON'T KNOW HAS THERE BEEN ANY MOVEMENT ON THAT OR WE JUST. GREAT QUESTION. YES CHAIR OVER AT COMMISSIONER CURRIE THAT IS A CITY CODE PROVISION SO IT APPLIES TO ALL COMMISSIONS ADVISORY COMMISSIONS UNIFORMLY WOULD REQUIRE A COUNCIL DIRECTION TO AMEND IT.  SO I KNOW THAT THAT ISSUE HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP INTERNALLY WITH WE HAVE A PERSON THAT COORDINATES TO A CERTAIN EXTENT ALL DIFFERENT ADVISORY COMMISSIONS AND SO I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME ON IT. I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY CODE AMENDMENTS THE WORKS AT THIS TIME THOUGH. OKAY.  ANY OTHER ITEMS DISCUSSION AREN'T SEEING NONE.  WE WILL CLOSE THE THURSDAY DECEMBER 19TH, 2020 FOR MEETING OF THE BLOOMINGTON PLANNING COMMISSION.  THANKS EVERYONE