##VIDEO ID:Fhl1qfqC7B8## .  GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE OCTOBER 10TH 2024 MEETING OF THE BLOOMINGTON PLANNING COMMISSION.  THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS MADE UP OF SEVEN MEMBERS.  WE HAVE FIVE HERE THIS EVENING . EACH MEMBER VOLUNTEERS THEIR TIME AND IS A BLOOMINGTON RESIDENT AND MEMBERS ARE APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. THE COMMISSION IS ADVISORY TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR MOST ITEMS THE COMMISSION MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE CITY COUNCIL HAS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY. WE HAVE ONE OF THOSE ITEMS THIS EVENING THERE CERTAIN APPLICATIONS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN APPROVE OR DENY ON ITS OWN SUBJECT TO THE APPEALS OF THE CITY COUNCIL WE DO NOT HAVE ANY THOSE ITEMS THIS EVENING FOR EACH ITEM THERE WILL BE A STAFF REPORT THEN A CHANCE FOR THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEN A CHANCE FOR ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY.  THE COMMISSION WILL THEN CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND DISCUSS THE ITEM BEFORE THE ACTION IS TAKEN. OUR FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS TONIGHT THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.  PLEASE STAND IF YOU ARE ABLE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.  ALL RIGHT, ITEM THIS EVENING IS DOES HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING . IT IS A CITY CODE AMENDMENT CHAPTER MOVING CHAPTER 19 TO 21 OF THE ZONING CODE REORGANIZATION AND PLANNER ASPECT YOU HAVE THE STAFF REPORT GOOD EVENING CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS YES.  SO IF YOU REMEMBER I CAME BEFORE YOU ON AUGUST 15TH AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE REORGANIZATION FROM CHAPTER 19 TO 21. SO WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT FOR PLANNING COMMISSION THEN WE'LL WE ARE PLANNING ON GOING NOVEMBER 18TH TO CITY COUNCIL SO THE WHY OF WHY WE'RE DOING THIS WE TRYING TO CONSOLIDATE WE HAVE TWO CHAPTERS IN THE CITY CODE SO WE'RE TRYING TO CONSOLIDATE THE ZONING PROVISIONS INTO ONE CHAPTER TO IMPROVE THE USER EXPERIENCE AND TO AVOID CONFUSION.  IT WAS A LONG ORDINANCE SORRY FOR THE 300 PAGES IN THE CHAPTER I MEAN IN THE IN THE PACKET SO THE METHODOLOGY I WENT THROUGH THIS ON THE STUDY SESSION BUT I'LL THROUGH IT AGAIN SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES HAPPENED WHEN THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS INCONSISTENT WITH STATE LAW OR IT WAS INCONSISTENT WITH OTHER AREAS IN THE CODE . SOME SECTIONS WERE MOVED TO NON ZONING CODE SECTION SO THEY WEREN'T NECESSARILY ALL MOVED TO CHAPTER 21 BUT EXHIBIT A IN THE PACKET SHOWED WHERE ALL THE LANDING SPOTS WERE AND THEN THE BIGGEST THINGS WE DID WERE STYLISTIC AND REFERENCE NUMBER SO WE WERE CHANGING THINGS SYMBOLS TO THE FULL WORD AND NUMBERS UNDER TEN TO THE WRITTEN VERSION AND THEN THERE WERE REFERENCES TO CHAPTER 19 THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE CODE THAT WE WENT THROUGH AND PUT IN THE NEW NUMBER OF WHERE IT WILL BE IN CHAPTER 21.  SO I DON'T HAVE MUCH MORE FOR YOU AGAIN THE ORDINANCE WAS REALLY LONG BUT IT WAS MOSTLY JUST CHANGING THE LOCATION OF SECTIONS AND THERE ARE A FEW SUBSTANTIVE CHANGES.  THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?  ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.  THE CITY IS THE APPLICANT ON THIS ITEM SO WE DO NOT HAVE AN ADDITIONAL APPLICANT SO WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.  I SEE NO ONE IN THE CHAMBERS WISHING TO TESTIFY.  PLANNING MANAGER MARK NYGAARD IS THERE ANYONE ONLINE? GERALD WROTE WE HAVE NO ONE ONLINE FOR THIS AND ALL RIGHT, LOOKING FOR A TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SO MOVED SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I ALL THOSE OPPOSED MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO DISCUSSION COMMISSIONER COOKED IN THE EXPENDITURE NOTHING COMPLICATED HERE IT'S SORT OF THE NUTS AND BOLTS OF MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT AND I'LL BE IN SUPPORT OF IT. THANK YOU. YES, I ALSO WILL BE IN SUPPORT OF IT.  I JUST WANT TO COMMEND THE CITY FOR REALLY REORGANIZING THIS. I THINK IT'S IT OBVIOUSLY WAS A LOT OF WORK AND I THINK THIS WILL BE HELPFUL FOR FOLKS WHO ARE LIVING HERE TO UNDERSTAND AND WHAT THEY NEED TO DO IN TERMS OF ZONING AND THEN ALSO FUTURE DEVELOPERS, FOLKS WHO WISH TO BUILD IN THIS COMMUNITY HOPEFULLY THEY THEY CAN LOOK AT ONE SPOT WHICH IS GREAT IN OTHER THOUGHTS.  YES COMMISSIONER I AM ALSO IN SUPPORT OF THIS BECAUSE IT'S NICE TO SEE THAT THE CITY HAS TAKEN TIME AND REALLY CLARIFIED THESE TO CHAPTERS AND YEAH IT'S A GOOD READ.  ALL RIGHT. LOOKING FOR A MOTION COMMISSIONER MCGOVERN I MOVE TO RECOMMEND THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPT AN ORDINANCE TRANSFERRING CHAPTER 19 OF THE CITY CODE TO CHAPTER 21 OF THE CITY CODE TO CREATE ONE UNIFIED ZONING CHAPTER SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND FOR THIS ITEM ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSED MOTION PASSES FIVE ZERO THANK YOU.  I KNOW NUMBER TWO IS A STUDY ITEM AND PLANNER HAS BACK YOU ALSO HAVE THE STAFF REPORT FOR THE MISCELLANEOUS ISSUES ORDINANCE YEAH SO THIS ONE IS A LITTLE BIT MORE EXCITING I THINK SO TIMELINE FOR THIS IS THAT WE HAVE A STUDY SESSION TONIGHT AND THEN HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE COMING BACK FOR A PUBLIC ON NOVEMBER 7TH AND THEN ENDING UP AT CITY COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 2ND. SO COMMISSIONERS WHO HAVE HERE BEFORE KNOW WHAT MISCELLANEOUS ISSUES ARE BUT FOR THE NEW COMMISSIONERS BASICALLY MISCELLANEOUS ISSUES ARE WHEN WE COLLECT MINOR CITY CODE AMENDMENTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR THEY'RE RELATED TO LAND USE, ZONING ETC. AND THEY DON'T WARRANT THEIR OWN PROJECT OR.  ALL THE WORK THAT WOULD GO INTO AN INDIVIDUAL ORDINANCE AND THE PUBLIC HEARING AND ALL OF THAT SO FIRST I WANTED TO GO THROUGH THE CLEANUP ITEMS.  I'M SORRY THEY'RE NOT IN ORDER. I'LL BE REORDERING THOSE BUT BASICALLY THESE ARE THE ITEMS THAT ARE JUST GRAMMAR WERE A REFERENCE NUMBER OR SOMETHING VERY SMALL THAT I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH INDIVIDUALLY BUT I WILL GIVE YOU EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THESE CLEANUP ITEMS AND ORDINANCE IN YOUR PACKET YOU CAN JUST SEE THAT THE ARTS AND CRAFTS FESTIVAL DEFINITION HAD SOMEONE I THINK ACCIDENTALLY WROTE OF INSTEAD OF OR AND SO IT'S JUST CHANGING THINGS LIKE THAT SO THERE ARE I THINK TEN OR 11 OF THOSE AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THOSE INDIVIDUALLY.  THESE ARE MORE CONTENT CHANGE AND WE WILL GO THROUGH THESE INDIVIDUALLY SO FIRST IS PET SERVICES FACILITY BUFFER. SO THERE'S KIND OF TWO THINGS IN THIS.  ONE IS THAT IT'S DIRECTING STAFF ON HOW TO MEASURE BUFFERS FROM PET SERVICES AND THE OTHER IS THAT IT'S CREATING AN EXCEPTION FOR A BUFFER FOR STORES ARE PURELY RETAIL ACTIVITY OR GROOMING SERVICES THINKING SOMETHING LIKE PETCO SOMETHING THAT'S LESS INTENSIVE AND WOULDN'T NECESSARILY MEAN A BUFFER SKIPPING TO SEE THIS IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT CAME OUT OF THE PRIOR PROJECT THE 19 TO 21 TRANSITION THIS SECTION WAS IN CHAPTER 19 PREVIOUSLY AND WHEN IT GOT MOVED CHAPTER 17 ENGINEERING REQUESTED JUST TO KIND OF ADD ON TO THE SENTENCE THAT TO GIVE STAFF A LITTLE BIT MORE DISCRETION OF WHEN IT MIGHT BE OKAY FOR LOADING RAMPS ENTRANCES TO POTENTIALLY CAUSE BACK IN AND OR MANEUVERING AND THE RIGHT OF WAY ORDINANCE H ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH REQUESTED THAT HOME BUSINESS STANDARDS CLEARLY STATE THAT DOG DAYCARE IS NOT A PERMITTED HOME BUSINESS SO THAT IS WHAT'S CHANGING HERE  FOR M THE DEFINITIONS IN CHAPTER 21 AND CHAPTER EIGHT WHICH IS THE TRAFFIC VEHICLES AND PARKING CHAPTER DIDN'T MATCH. SO THIS IS JUST CHANGING THE MOTOR VEHICLE DEFINITION IN CHAPTER 21 TO MATCH THE CHAPTER EIGHT DEFINITION ORDINANCE.  P SO WHAT SIDE SO WE CAN REQUIRE SIDEWALK LINKS FOR A NEW IF THE CITY ENGINEER SEES THAT THERE WILL BE AN INCREASE IN TRAFFIC.  SO THIS DOES HAPPEN SOMETIMES WHERE A NEW BUSINESS IS COMING IN TO A LOCATION AND WE REQUIRE THAT THEY LINK THE BUILDING TO THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK WITH A SIDEWALK CONNECTION AND SO THIS ORDINANCE IS A SENTENCE TO THE END OF THIS PARAGRAPH ADDING AN EXEMPTION, UNUSUAL HARDSHIP WHERE IT MIGHT NOT BE POSSIBLE TO ADD THE PRIVATE SIDEWALK LINK ORDINANCE ARE AGAIN IS ADDED IN SOME DEFINITIONS SO WE ARE DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN DANCE SCHOOLS THAT PROVIDE ROUTINE INSTRUCTION WHICH SHOULD BE A PART OF THE SPORTS TRAINING FACILITY DEFINITION VERSUS A DANCE USE LIKE A BALLROOM OR AN OPEN EVENT THAT SHOULD PART OF THE RECREATION AND ENTERTAINMENT INDOOR DEFINITION AND USE ORDINANCE AS IS INCREASE SEEN THE ALLOWANCE FOR THE GARAGE FRONTAGE PERCENTAGE FOR TWO FAMILY DWELLINGS SO WE WANT TO PREVENT THIS NOW HOUSES WHICH IS WHERE THE GARAGE IS JUST ALL OF THE HOUSE FRONTAGE AND PREVIOUSLY THE PERCENTAGE THAT WE ALLOWED THE GARAGE FRONTAGE TO BE IS 40% AND WE'RE INCREASING THAT TO 50% FOR DEVELOPERS HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY ORDINANCE T IS THE REQUIRED COMPLIANCE STATE FOR LEAD IN STATE NON-CONFORMITY LAWS DOES NOT ALLOW THE CITY TO ESTABLISH A DATE FOR THIS ORDINANCE YOU IS UPDATING SOME LANDSCAPING STANDARDS SO EARLIER THIS YEAR THERE WERE ORDINANCE CHANGES RELATED TO NATIVE LANDSCAPING.  THESE CHANGES TOOK PLACE WITHIN PART OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH SECTION OF THE CODE BUT NEVER GOT INCORPORATED INTO THE ZONING CODE SO ORDINANCE U IS UPDATING SOME LANDSCAPING STANDARD STANDARDS THEN ALSO ADDING DEFINITIONS RELATED TO THIS CODE CHANGE ORDINANCE V IS ADDING SPECIFIC LANGUAGE TO THE CODE OF HOW TO MEASURE A STRUCTURE SETBACK AND WHERE TO MEASURE IT FROM ORDINANCE W ADDING A PROVISION FOR AGRICULTURE STANDS AGRICULTURAL STANDS ON SITES WHERE THE PRODUCTS ARE NOT GROWN ON SITE SO PREVIOUSLY YOU COULD ONLY HAVE AN AGRICULTURAL STAND ON A SITE WHERE THE PRODUCT WAS GROWN AND THE SAME SITE AND.  SO WE ARE NOW PROPOSING TO ALLOW PRODUCTS NOT GROWN ON SITE TO BE SOLD AND THIS IS BASICALLY THESE STANDARDS ARE MIMICKING THE STANDARDS FARMERS MARKET STANDARDS JUST THEY WILL HAVE LESS STANDS ORDINANCE X IS ADDING AND DEFINITION FOR RETAIL SALES HEAVY EQUIPMENT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT IN OUR USED TABLE BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE A DEFINITION FOR IT AND THE CODE ORDINANCE WHY IS ADDING A DEFINITION SUNSHADE TO THE CODE AND THEN ALSO ADD A PERMITTED ENCROACHMENT FOR SUNSHADES TO MATCH ACCESSORY BUILDINGS SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE LESS OF A SETBACK ORDINANCE IS THE VEHICLE AND TRAILER PARKING AND STORAGE AND RESIDENTIAL ZONES SECTION OF THE PARKING AND LOADING SECTION OUT OF THE PARKING AND LOADING SECTION AND MAKING IT A STANDALONE SECTION SO THAT IT CAN BE LESS CONFUSING AND EASIER FOR RESIDENTS TO FIND AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH DIVISION KIND OF ASKED FOR THIS BECAUSE THINK THEY DEAL WITH THIS QUITE OFTEN DOUBLE A IS EXPANDING THE DATES THAT SNOWPLOW BLADES CAN BE ATTACHED TO VEHICLES TO GIVE MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR THE WEATHER AND IT'S JUST EXPANDING FROM NOVEMBER 1ST TO OCTOBER 1ST ORDINANCE DOUBLE B IS ADDING A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY'RE NEW THAT ALONG PUBLIC SIDEWALK THERE NEEDS TO BE TWO FOOT CLEAR ZONES AS DETERMINED BY THE CITY ENGINEER.  SO THIS IS A BEST PRACTICE FROM MDOT SO WE'RE ADDING IT TO THE CODE AND JUST ADDING SOME STAFF DISCRETION FOR HOW MAINTENANCE WILL WORK AT THE BOTTOM DOUBLE C IS THAT BUILDING CODE DEFINITION OF BASEMENT AND THE ZONING CODE DEFINITION DID NOT MATCH THE BUILDING CODE DEFINITION DOES TAKE PRECEDENCE SO THE ZONING CODE DEFINITION IS BEING CHANGED TO MATCH THE BUILDING CODE DEFINITION DOUBLE D IS AMENDING A PART OF CHAPTER NINE WHICH IS OUR HOUSING OPPORTUNITY AND PRESERVATION CHAPTER TO ENSURE THAT OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND MEETS THE STATUTORY DEFINITION OF A LOCAL HOUSING TRUST FUND WITH THE ADDITION OF THE REPORTING REQUIREMENT ACT AND THAT'S JUST FINAL SENTENCE THAT'S ADDED ON THAT SAYS REPORTS WILL BE POSTED TO THE CITY'S WEBSITE AND THE LAST ONE WE HAVE HERE IS DOUBLE E SO WE HAVE A PLANNED WIDENED RIGHT OF WAY MAP THAT HASN'T CHANGED IN MANY YEARS I BELIEVE AND BASICALLY THIS MEANS THAT SOME SETBACKS FOR LIKE SIGNS OR RETAINING WALLS HAVE TO BE PUSHED BACK FURTHER THAN THEY NECESSARILY NEED TO BE BECAUSE OF THESE PLANNED WEIGHT IN RIGHT OF WAYS.  SO BASICALLY WHAT THIS ORDINANCE IS DOING IS GIVING STAFF AUTHORITY TO WAIVE THIS REQUIREMENT WHEN NEEDED AND GIVING SOME MORE STAFF DISCRETION.  SO AGAIN, THIS IS A STUDY SESSION.  WE DON'T NEED FORMAL ACTION FROM YOU RIGHT NOW. WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK.  THEN WE'LL REVISE AND PREPARE THE FORMAL ORDINANCE TO COME FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO QUESTIONS, FEEDBACK ANYTHING FEEL FREE QUESTIONS OR FEEDBACK.  COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM THANK YOU CHAIR PLANNER HESS PACK I REALLY SORRY CAN YOU GO ALL THE WAY BACK TO SEE YEAH SORRY FOR THIS QUICK SITE CHANGE OOPS. OH WAIT SEE I WENT TOO FAR. THERE WE GO. THERE WE GO.  SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR WE'RE INCREASING DENSITY IN A LOT OF SPACES OF THE CITY AND SO THE GEOMETRY OF SOME LOTS OF BACK OUT SANITATION OR DELIVERIES TO A BUSINESS COULD BE NEED. SO I GUESS IT LOOKS LIKE IT CAN STILL HAPPEN WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE CITY ENGINEER WITH THIS CODE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE WE WERE THINKING ABOUT THAT AND THAT THAT'S THAT THE CITY ENGINEER WE ARE WILLING TO WE'RE WILLING TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO BACK OUT OF VEHICULAR RAMPS OR ENTRANCES BUT.  IT'S NOT IT'S NOT OUR FIRST PREFERENCE OBVIOUSLY.  YEAH. CHAIR COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM THANK YOU.  YEAH. AND I DO THINK THAT WE HAVE A COUPLE OF ENGINEERING PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT BUT I THINK THAT THE INTENT OF THIS IS TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBLE THAT IF IT NEEDS TO HAPPEN THE CITY ENGINEER CAN CAN SAY THAT THAT'S OKAY.  EXCELLENT THANK YOU. YEAH.  COMMISSIONER UPTON.  THANKS, MADAM CHAIR. MRS. BECK CAN YOU GO BACK TO ORDINANCE P PLEASE? YES. AND JUST WALK THROUGH THIS ONE AGAIN. YES. SO WHEN A NEW USE COMES INTO A BUILDING AND IF THE CITY ENGINEER DEEMS THAT THERE'S POTENTIALLY GOING TO BE MORE TRAFFIC, WE CAN SAY IF THERE'S NOT AN EXISTING LINK FROM THE PUBLIC SIDEWALK TO THE BUILDING WE CAN SAY WE NEED YOU TO PUT THAT IN SO THAT PEDESTRIANS CAN WALK TO THE BUILDING.  AND SO THIS EXCEPTION IS SAYING THAT IF FOR SOME REASON THE FISCAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THE PROPERTY I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT WOULD BE BUT METHING CRAZY WITH THE PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THE PROPERTY CAUSE LIKE MAKE IT NOT POSSIBLE TO BUILD A SIDEWALK LINK IT'S GIVING THE CITY ENGINEER THE ABILITY KIND OF WAIVE THAT THANK SO MY UNDERSTANDING THAT TODAY IT'S REQUIRED AND THIS IS ADDING IN SORT OF AN ABILITY TO HAVE THAT WAIVED IS THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE?  CHAIR COMMISSIONER. CAPTAIN YES.  SO IT'S CURRENTLY REQUIRED KIND OF WITH SOME FLEXIBILITY ALREADY BUT IT'S ADDING AND THE ABILITY TO WAIVE THAT MORE. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF BRIAN OR JULIE WANT TO TALK ABOUT MORE SIR I'LL JUMP IN . AS PLANNER HAS INDICATED IT'S AN EXCEPTION FROM OUR GENERAL STANDARD THE MOST EXAMPLE WAS A HOUSE OF WORSHIP THAT WANTED TO OBTAIN A LEASE ON THE VALLEY WEST PARCEL OFF OF OLD CHICOPEE ROAD AND IT WAS THE I THINK IT WAS THE THIRD BUILDING IN AND SO THE REQUIREMENT OF SIDEWALK WAS VERY CHALLENGING FOR THEM MEET AND ULTIMATELY THEY DIDN'T END UP ON LEASING THAT PARCEL.  THEY COULDN'T FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MEET THE SIDEWALK CODE . SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE IS SOME SORT OF FLEXIBILITY SO THAT IF THEY COULD USE THE SIDEWALK AN ADJACENT PARCEL OR AN OR CONNECT SOME OTHER WAY, ARE THERE WAYS THAT WE CAN ACHIEVE OUR GOAL IS WITHOUT FOLLOWING THE EXACT CODE LANGUAGE AS IT CURRENTLY IF I MAY YES GO FOR IT MS. LONG IF I COULD FOLLOW UP HOW MANY TIMES A YEAR DO YOU THINK THIS COMES?  IT HAS COME UP MORE RECENTLY THAN IN THE PAST.  SO IF YOU HAD ASKED ME FIVE YEARS AGO I WOULD HAVE SAID IT PROBABLY CAME UP ONCE EVERY TWO YEARS THIS YEAR IT'S COME UP I THINK TWO OR THREE TIMES . OKAY. THANK YOU.  I HAVE ONE QUESTION AND UNLIKE MY COLLEAGUES I FORGOT THE NUMBER THE LETTER REGARDING LANDSCAPE LANDSCAPING PLANS.  YES, THE OF IMPROVE AND SUSTAIN ECOSYSTEM HEALTH ACROSS THE CITY SEEMS A BIT OBJECTIVE OR SUBJECTIVE HOW WOULD THAT BE IMPLEMENT DID CHAIR ALBRECHT SO THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE HERE WERE PART SOMETHING THAT WAS ADOPTED BY COUNCIL EARLIER IN THE YEAR.  PENNY MINTER MANAGER MICROGRID I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. I KNOW YOU WORKED ON THE PROJECT PLANNING MANAGER CARD PLEASE. SURE.  CHAIR ALBRECHT THAT'S CORRECT. THERE WAS AN ORDINANCE ADOPTED EARLIER THIS YEAR THAT DEALS WITH MANAGE NATURAL LANDSCAPES AND IT'S A TERM THAT THE STATE USED AND SOME LEGISLATION LAST YEAR THAT KIND OF SET FORWARD SOME STANDARDS THAT ALL CITIES HAVE TO FOLLOW.  WE UPDATED THE OTHER OF THE CODE THAT KIND OF DEALS WITH THE HIDES OF WEEDS THE NUISANCE SECTION OF THE CODE TO REFLECT THE ABILITY TO HAVE MANAGE NATURAL LANDSCAPES IN THIS ORDINANCE WHICH INCLUDES MORE THAN WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN BASICALLY USES THE SAME LANGUAGE IN THE CONTEXT OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND JUST MATCHES THE TWO OF THEM TOGETHER. GREAT.  THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER COMPTON?  YEAH. MADAM CHAIR THINKS IT'S NOT A QUESTION MORE I'D LIKE TO MOVE ON TO JUST DISCUSSING A LITTLE BIT THE ORDINANCE ABOUT THE THE SIDEWALK AND SO FIRST I GUESS IT BE I DO HAVE A QUESTION AND MAYBE MR. IS THE RIGHT PERSON TO ASK I'M NOT PROPOSING THIS BUT I'M ASKING THE QUESTION IS INSTEAD OF HAVING THIS WHERE CURRENTLY WHERE THE LANGUAGE IS SHOWING THE CITY ENGINEER WOULD LOOK AT THIS IS THERE AN AVENUE TO HAVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION LOOK AT THAT  CAN GO FOR IT BETTER OR LIKE THE COMMISSIONER COOKED IN YEAH THAT'S THAT WOULD CREATE I GUESS A DIFFERENT NON ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS THEORETICALLY THAT COULD BE ADDED YEAH THAT WOULD JUST I GUESS ADD ANOTHER REVIEW OF REVIEW PROCESS TO IT. UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU.  THE REASON I'M THINKING ABOUT THIS MANDATORY AS YOU MIGHT RECALL A FEW YEARS AGO WE HAD A FAIY CONTROVERSIAL IT'S NOT A THIS MAYBE IS AN TIE IN BUT WE HAD A FAIRLY CONTROVERSIAL SIDEWALK CONNECTION IN FRONT OF NINE MILE BREWING. DO YOU REMEMBER THAT ONE? YES, I DO. AND WE WERE SPLIT ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION ABOUT WHAT WE SHOULD DO THERE AND THAT WAS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IF I'M REMEMBERING. BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION OF IS IT APPROPRIATE THAT WE'RE GOING TO FORCE IN A SIDEWALK CONNECTION OR NOT AND I FOUND THAT A VALUABLE DISCUSSION FOR PLANNING COMMISSION AND SO AGAIN THIS MAYBE ISN'T EXACT RELATION TO THAT BUT JUST OPENING UP TO THE REST OF THE COMMISSION HERE OF HOW PEOPLE MIGHT THINK ABOUT HAVING THIS BE RECOGNIZING IT'S AN ADDED LAYER OF GOVERNMENT THAT MAYBE WE'RE OVERSTEPPING HERE BUT IT SHOULD THIS BE REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION INSTEAD OF THE CITY ENGINEER.  I WOULDN'T BE AGAINST IT OTHER THOUGHTS ABOUT THIS ITEM COMMISSIONER CURRY AND CHAIR I GUESS MY FIRST QUESTION WOULD BE IN WHAT ARE THERE ARE THERE IS IT BASICALLY EVERY SINGLE THAT THERE'S A CONNECTION THAT NEEDS BE MADE THAT WE WOULD NEED TO REVIEW IT THEN SO WE'D HAVE THREE OF THESE THIS YEAR AGAIN THIS IS I KNOW WE'RE KIND OF THROWING A CURVE INTO THIS THAT PEOPLE WERE PREPARED FOR SO THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE STUDY ITEM. I THINK THE WAY I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS AND I MIGHT BE WRONG AND I'LL ASK MR. SPECTER CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG THIS WOULD BE IN CASES WHERE LIKE IF THERE'S A PRACTICAL SIDEWALK CONNECTION TO BE MADE, THEY HAVE TO DO THAT BY CITY CODE AND SO THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAPPEN. IT'S ONLY IN A PLACE WHERE THE APPLICANT COMES AND SAYS THE CITY THIS IS REALLY IMPRACTICAL.  THERE'S A THERE'S A SEWER MAIN HERE AND I CAN'T PUT IN A STOOP OR WHATEVER AND I'M ASKING FOR AN EXCEPTION AND THEN INSTEAD OF THAT GOING TO THE CITY ENGINEER TO USE THEIR DISCRETION IF THEY HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO GET R R APPROVAL ON IS WHAT I WOULD BE PROPOSING HAVE I SUMMARIZE THAT CORRECTLY? YEAH. OKAY .  MR. MARK RICARD, ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THE IMPLEMENTATION THAT GENERAL BREAK JUST THINKING THROUGH PROCEDURALLY TYPICALLY THIS WOULD TRIGGER WITH ITEMS THAT HAVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BUT THERE BE IT'S WRITTEN THERE COULD BE SITUATIONS DON'T HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT SO EVERYTHING MIGHT BE GOING THROUGH ADMINISTRATIVELY EXCEPT FOR THIS ONE SIDEWALK ISSUE WHICH WOULD THEN REQUIRE I GUESS SLOW DOWN THE APPLICATION AND REQUIRE A A MEETING TO BE HELD ON THAT ISSUE.  SURE. SO THE THE PROCESS THEN THERE WOULD BE BUT FOR THIS REQUIREMENT THERE WOULD BE NO REASON TO GO IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. SO THIS WOULD SORT OF TRIGGER TRIGGER THAT INSTANCE IN SOME CASES IT COULD.  COMMISSIONER CURRIE THANK YOU CHAIR OF FOLLOW UP THOUGHT YOU HAD YOU HAD MENTIONED THIS KIND OF IN RELATION TO NINE MILE BREWING WHICH OBVIOUSLY HAS A FAIR AMOUNT OF PEOPLE AROUND HAS YOU KNOW HAS GOOD USE LET'S SAY IS IT THAT SPECIFIC INSTANCE OR INSTANCES WHERE THERE ANTICIPATE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT YOU THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO REVIEW THAT OR YOU OR ARE YOU JUST THINKING IN GENERAL LITERALLY EVERY INSTANCE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE COMMISSION SHOULD LOOK AT BECAUSE I GUESS IF IT IS FOR MAYBE THINK OF LIKE A RETAIL SCENARIO I DON'T KNOW I OFF OF LYNDALE YOU KNOW THAT WOULD MAYBE BE SOMETHING WORTH LOOKING AT BUT IF THIS IS LIKE AN INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY GETS HAS VERY LOW FOOT TRAFFIC IN A YOU KNOW A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT'S NOT WORTH OUR OUR TIME THAT'S I GUESS MY NEXT THOUGHT.  COMMISSIONER COOKED IT. YEAH. COMMISSIONER CURRY I THINK THAT'S GOOD COMMENTS WHERE I'M COMING FROM ON THIS RECOMMEND OR POTENTIAL CHANGE IS THAT IT'S REALLY ABOUT ACCESSIBLE D AND WHETHER IT'S NINE MILE BREWING OR COMMERCIAL BUILDING OR MAYBE IT IS AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING AND SOMEONE WHO MAYBE JUST ISN'T AS MOBILE AS THEY USED TO BE OR THEY'RE IN A WHEELCHAIR I AM A HUGE ADVOCATE NOT ONLY FOR ADA WHICH IS A CODE REQUIREMENT. THIS IS AN THIS WOULD BE GOING IN SOME SCENARIOS WHERE YOU KNOW, BEYOND THAT OR ABOVE THAT BUT I'M A BIG CHAMPION THAT WE MAKE EVERYTHING AS ACCESSIBLE AS POSSIBLE WHETHER IT'S AN INDUSTRIAL FACILITY OR A CHURCH OR ANYTHING ELSE. AND AND I'M JUST A HUGE PROPONENT OF SIDEWALKS LEADING TO THE FRONT DOOR OF THE BUILDING AND NOT MAKING PEOPLE ALLOW YOU COULD GO AROUND THE PARKING LOT AND GET IN THERE. WELL THAT'S NOT REALLY EQUAL ACCESS IF I'M IN A WHEELCHAIR AND HAVE TO GO ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PARKING LOT TO GET IT AND THAT'S NOT REALLY EQUAL ACCESS. AND SO I WOULD LIKE I TAKE A PRETTY HARD LINE ON WE NEED TO HAVE EQUAL ACCESSIBILITY INTO FACILITIES EVEN IF IT'S NOT CODE REQUIRED AND THIS WOULD GIVE US MORE DISCRETION OF YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE CITY ENGINEER NOT THAT YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT STANCE ON WHAT THAT WHAT THAT LINE IS OF BURDENSOME OR NOT TO CREATE THAT EQUAL ACCESS.  COMMISSIONER CURRY, THANKS. SURE. YEAH, I THINK I CAN SEE SOME MERIT TO IT. I ALSO THINK PUTTING THAT UP PUTTING THESE SORT OF EXCEPTIONS UP TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION I THINK WOULD INCENTIVIZE THOSE PEOPLE TO EARN WOULD INCENTIVIZE CONSISTENCY AND YOU KNOW DEVELOPING SIDEWALKS. I KNOW WE'VE HAD PREVIOUS PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBERS WHO WERE VERY ADAMANT ABOUT IMPROVING SIDEWALKS IN THE IN THE CITY. SO I DON'T THINK I WOULDN'T OBJECT TO THAT BEING SOMETHING THAT WE THAT WE LOOK AT. I CAN SEE A BENEFIT. YEAH. IF I'M JUST GOING TO JUMP IN HERE I THINK IF THE UNDERLYING SENTENCE SAID SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF IMPRACTICALITY DUE LIKE AN UNDUE FINANCIAL CONSTRAINT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THEN I WOULD BE SORT OF ON THE THE FENCE ABOUT THIS. BUT I THINK THE WAY THAT IT'S STATED IT BEING AN IMPRACTICAL DUE TO PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THE PROPERTY LEND ITSELF TO THERE WOULD NEED TO BE A VERY GOOD REASON WHY THIS WOULD BE GRANTED AN EXCEPTION WOULD BE GRANTED AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO DO WITH THE FINANCIAL ASPECT OF IT BUT IT REALLY HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT COMMISSIONER COOKED INTO SAYING REGARDING ACCESSIBILITY AND AGREE WITH HIM BUT I, I THINK YOU KNOW THIS LONG GAVE A REALLY GOOD EXAMPLE SORT OF THAT THIRD PROPERTY IN AND REQUIRING A SIDEWALK ALL THE WAY TO THAT THIRD PROPERTY MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY BE TOTALLY PRACTICAL AND SO I GUESS I WOULD BE I'M OKAY WITH AS IT STANDS COMMISSIONER GUPTA YEAH . I THINK I THINK IT'S I THINK WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THAT TOO.  AND SO I'M CERTAINLY NOT SAYING EVERY TIME YOU GOT TO HAVE A SIDEWALK YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK I'M LITERALLY JUST REPLACING THE WORDS CITY ENGINEER PLANNING COMMISSION RECOGNIZING THAT DOES PUT ANOTHER LAYER OF THAT THEY HAVE TO TAKE A COUPLE EXTRA WEEKS AND PAY WHATEVER IT COSTS COME BEFORE US AND ALL THAT OTHER STUFF. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO THINK WE ARE STILL A BODY OF PRACTICALITY AND IF IT IS PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS OF THE SITE THAT MAKE THAT IMPOSSIBLE THERE'S A WETLAND THERE OR YOU KNOW WHATEVER WE WOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THAT AND SAY OKAY WE CAN MAKE THAT EXCEPTION. WHAT I'M PROPOSING HERE IS JUST THE CITY ENGINEER MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT LINE IN THE SAND OF WHAT THEY CONSIDER TO BE TOO MUCH OF A BURDEN OR NOT A BURDEN AND I WOULD RATHER HAVE THAT WITH US THAN THE CITY ENGINEER IS MY PREFERENCE PREFERENCE.  I HAVE A QUESTION THAT SOMEONE FROM THE PLANNING STAFF MIGHT BE ABLE TO ANSWER IN THE CASE MISS LONG'S EXAMPLE WHERE IT WAS THE THIRD BUILDING IN AND THEY DECIDED NOT TO LEASE THAT SPACE.  IT WAS A FINANCIAL FROM PRACTICALITY BECAUSE WEREN'T ABLE TO THEY DIDN'T MY CONCERN WOULD BE IF THERE IS AN EXCEPTION THAT THE CITY ENGINEER CAN GIVE VERSUS GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE PLANNING COMMISSION TO THE COUNCIL PROCESS WOULD WE BE PUTTING UNDUE FINANCIAL BURDEN ON THAT APPLICANT WHO WOULDN'T OTHERWISE BE GOING IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION BUT FOR BUT FOR THIS SPECIFIC CHANGE.  CHAIRPERSON ALBRECHT WHEN YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I BELIEVE THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE TO GO BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION ANY WAY IS I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT I CAN SPEAK ON THAT YEAH. YEAH. CHAIR ALBRECHT IF IT'S A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT WOULD BE COMING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND IF IT WERE A PERMITTED USE AND WE HAVE THIS STREAMLINING ORDINANCE HAVE CHANGED A LOT OF OUR CONDITIONAL USES TO PERMITTED USES THEN IT WOULD JUST BE REVIEWED AT THE STAFF LEVEL.  ONE THING I WOULD POINT OUT THE APPLICANT WILL ALWAYS HAVE THE ABILITY TO APPLY A VARIANCE. LET'S SAY THE CITY ENGINEER DETERMINED OR THAT AN EXCEPTION CANNOT BE GRANTED THEY COULD THEN APPLY FOR A VARIANCE IN THEORY AND HAVE ANOTHER LEVEL OF REVIEW AND WITH OUR STREAMLINING CODE THE PLANNING COMMISSION BECOMES THAT BODY BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS THAT WOULD ACT VARIANCE APPLICATION SUBJECT TO APPEAL . I THINK HAVE BEEN RAISED HIS HAND YES.  MR. ELLER I'M JUST GETTING MY VIDEO GOING EVERYBODY ARE CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS I JUST WANTED TO WEIGH IN ON A VERY THE TALK ABOUT ADDING A VARIANCE POSSIBLY WHEN YOU GET INTO VARIANCES THE STANDARD IS PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES SO ECONOMIC CONSIDERATIONS CAN BE PART OF THAT CANNOT BE THE ONLY THING THAT SUPPORTS A VARIANCE THOUGH THERE HAS TO BE ACTUAL PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY SOMETHING WITH THE LAND OR THE PHYSICAL CHARACTER IS NOT OF THE OWNERS MAKING THAT SUPPORT THE VARIANCE. SO IF IT'S JUST AN ECONOMIC THING LIKE WE DON'T WANT TO BUILD IT BECAUSE IT'LL COST TOO MUCH THAT WON'T SUPPORT A VARIANCE SO IT HAS TO SOMETHING WITH THE PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS LIKE IT'S WRITTEN HERE THE ENGINEER AS THIS IS WRITTEN THE ENGINEER WOULD LOOK AT THE PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS ONLY SO JUST TO ADD SOME COLOR TO WHAT WAS SAID BY ANY MANAGER THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HOOTEN MADAM CHAIR, DO WE KNOW WHAT THE COST IS SO IF THEY'RE NOT COMING BEFORE US FOR ANY REASON AND WE WERE TO ENFORCE OR PUT THIS ON THEM AND THEN THEY HAVE TO COME BEFORE US TO GET THIS APPROVAL WHAT DO WE KNOW WHAT THE COST OF THAT PROCESS WOULD BE? ARE WE TALKING $50 OR 500 OR OCCURRED? YEAH CHARLBURY COMMISSIONER CURTIN WE DON'T HAVE A FEE TODAY FOR THAT COULD IN THEORY CREATE ONE. I DON'T THINK WE WOULD I THINK WE WOULD JUST PROCESS IT WITHOUT A FEE AND WHAT'S THE APPROXIMATE TIME BURDEN THAT WOULD TAKE? SOUP TO NUTS CHAIR ALBRIGHT COMMISSIONER CURTIN TO GET AN ITEM BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A FIVE WEEK TIME FRAME FROM APPLICATION DATE TO COMMISSION DATE SO I GUESS TIME BURDEN WOULD BE PREPARING THE APPLICATION AND THEN FIVE WEEKS AFTER THAT SO IT SOUNDS LIKE ABOUT A TWO MONTH DELAY IF WE WERE TO PUT THIS ON THEM I GUESS I'M TOWARDS NOT I THINK I DO THINK THE STAFF HAS DONE A LOT OF GREAT WORK STREAMLINING A LOT OF WHAT IS IN CODE AND I WOULD HATE TO THEN JUST ADD SOMETHING A LITTLE YOU KNOW, CHANGE A LITTLE SENTENCE SO THAT WE'VE KIND OF UNDONE A BIT OF ALL OF THE WORK THAT'S BEEN DONE. I'M NOT SAYING THAT THE THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULDN'T HAVE LIKE COMMISSIONER COOKSON SAID, SIMILAR THOUGHTS TO THE CITY ENGINEER. I THINK THE IDEA THE PHYSICAL CHARACTERISTICS AND AND PRACTICALITY ISN'T CLEAR BUT IT'S CLEARER JUST BEING A FINANCIAL BURDEN. SO I WOULD I WOULD I'M OKAY WITH THE SENTENCE AS IT RELATES YOU KNOW THE THOUGHTS. COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM THANK YOU CHAIR. I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF ADD SOME SUPPORT TO YOUR ARGUMENT, CHERYL BURKE THAT WE HAVE TO PUT A LITTLE BIT OF FAITH IN OUR CITY STAFF TO ACT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR RESIDENTS BUSINESSES AND VISITORS AND.  ALTHOUGH I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER COOKTOWN THAT IT WOULD BE GREAT TO HAVE A LITTLE EXTRA VIEW, I THINK THE TIME BURDEN IS JUST NOT WORTH IT TO FUTURE APPLICANTS .  THANK YOU.  STRAW POLL DO STRAW POLL OKAY . I'M JUST GO THE LINE. YEAH WE CAN SAY ALL RIGHT IF YOU'RE KEEPING IT IF YOU'RE FOR KEEPING THE WAY IT IS RIGHT NOW AS PRESENTED HERE OR WOULD LIKE MORE REVIEW BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND I WILL FIRST I AM OKAY WITH IT AS WRITTEN AS IS I PREFER THE PLANNING COMMISSION I'M OKAY AS IS I PREFER THE PLANNING COMMISSION OKAY AS IS ALL RIGHT ANY OTHER COMMENTS FEEDBACK THOUGHTS DISCUSSION OR ANY OF THE OTHER MISCELLANEOUS ISSUES PLANNER HOUSE PACKAGE DID YOU GET WHAT YOU NEEDED FROM US YES.  THANK YOU CHAIR AND COMMISSIONERS AND AGAIN I WILL SEE YOU BACK FOR A PUBLIC HEARING IN NOVEMBER.  GREAT THING. THANK YOU.  ITEM THREE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT IS ALSO A STUDY ITEM AND IT IS A UPDATE ON THE SOUTH LOOP DISTRICT PLAN PLANNER RAMBLER OLSON YOU HAVE THE STAFF REPORT TO  THANK YOU GOOD EVENING.  SO YEAH ITEM THREE IS THE STUDY ITEM LOOKING AT THE SOUTH LOOP DISTRICT PLAN UPDATE THIS EFFORT KICKED OFF ABOUT JULY THIS YEAR. IT'S AN UPDATE LOOKING AT THE EXISTING SOUTH OF DISTRICT PLAN WHICH WAS ORIGINALLY ADOPTED IN 2012 12 YEARS HAVE GONE BY SO THAT'S A LOT TO UNPACK IT IS PART OF THE 2024 PLANNING COMMISSION WORK PLAN AND THE SCOPE OF WORK THIS IS KEY I'LL GET INTO IT IN THE OTHER SLIDES BUT IT'S TO COMPLETE THE PRIORITY UPDATES. I HAVE DEFINED THOSE LATER IN THE PRESENTATION SO WE'LL GET AROUND TO THAT. WE WANT THESE PRIORITY UPDATES TO TRANSFORM THE DOCUMENT INTO SOMETHING THAT REFLECTS CURRENT CONDITIONS IN CITY POLICIES AND THAT WILL INCLUDE EVALUATING THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN WE'LL BE IDENTIFYING AND PROPOSING SOME MORE. THIS IS STILL IN DRAFT FORM IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ABOUT THE SCOPE OF THE WORK BUT WE ARE PROPOSING TO IDENTIFY AND PROPOSE NEW PROJECTS THAT COMPLY WITH CURRENT CITY AND WE'LL JUST GET INTO WHY THE UPDATE AS MENTIONED 12 YEARS SINCE IT WAS ORIGINALLY ADOPTED THERE'S BEEN A LOT THAT'S CHANGED.  THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE AREAS HAVE HAVE CHANGED THE REAL ESTATE MARKET HAS DEFINITELY SHIFTED ON ACCOUNT OF INTERNAL AND EXTERNAL FORCES THE EXTERNAL THE BIG ONE BEING THE PANDEMIC WHICH TOOK A TOLL THE OFFICE MARKET THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT THOUGH STILL IN THE AREA AND OFFICE DEVELOPMENT SO IT'S IT'S AN INTERESTING BAG OF ISSUES TO UNPACK IN THE SOUTH LOOP BUT NONETHELESS NEW DEVELOPMENT HAS OCCURRED AND THAT OUGHT TO BE REFLECTED IN AN UPDATE.  THERE'S BEEN SIGNIFICANT PUBLIC INVESTMENTS AS I'M SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF THE LINDA LINK HAS BEEN ERLINDA ALLEN HAS BEEN CONSTRUCTED AND THERE'S BEEN OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE AREA TO CONSIDER THE REMODEL OF THE METRO TRANSIT STATION AT MALL OF AMERICA. SO THAT'S SIGNIFICANT SOMETHING THAT OUGHT TO BE DISCUSSED OR AT LEAST REFLECTED IN AN UPDATE WE HAVE NEW STAFF AND RESOURCES SINCE IT WAS ADOPTED IN 2012 WE NOW HAVE SUSTAINABILITY STAFF.  WE HAVE A DIVISION OF CREATIVE PLACEMAKING WITHIN THE PORT OF WITHIN THE PORT AUTHORITY. SO THOSE ARE PRETTY BIG CHANGES TO CONSIDER AS WELL AND WE HAVE A LOT OF PLANS HAVE BEEN UPDATED OR ADOPTED SINCE AND IT'S A LOT THESE ARE YOU KNOW I'M SURE IF THIS IS A SAMPLE OR A PRETTY ACCURATE LIST OF ALL THE PLANS BUT NONETHELESS THIS IS PRETTY SIGNIFICANT THAT NEEDS TO BE ACCOUNTED FOR IN AN UPDATE THE BIG ONE WE HAVE THE 2040 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT'S THAT'S THE BIG ONE AND WE ACTUALLY HAVE A PLAN THAT ACTUALLY CAME AT THAT CAME OUT OF THE SOUTH LOOP IN 2015 THE CREATIVE PLACEMAKING PLAN. SO ALL OF THESE ARE HAVE BEEN ADOPTED ADOPTED SINCE TO 2012 SORRY TONGUE TIED MIGHT BE INTERESTING OR IT'S WORTH DISCUSSING WHY NOT A FULL REWRITE INSTEAD OF JUST LOOKING AT UPDATE A REWRITE WOULD BE VERY RESOURCE INTENSIVE AND RESOURCES WE HAVE ARE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR AN UPDATE AND IT WOULD ALSO IF A REWRITE WOULD CONSIDER THE VISION AND THE GOALS AND THAT TAKES A LOT OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT EFFORT THAT RIGHT NOW WITH THE RESOURCES WE HAVE DEDICATED TO THE PROJECT WE WERE JUST WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO THAT. THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER WITH A REWRITE AND IT'S ALSO WORTH MENTIONING THE TIMING OF THIS UPDATE WITH RESPECT TO OTHER PLANNING DOCUMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE OR PLANNING EFFORTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE WRAPPING UP PRETTY SOON WE'RE GOING TO START THE 2050 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WRITING RESEARCHING NEXT YEAR PORT AUTHORITY HAS A PLAN COMING OUT CREATIVE PLACEMAKING HAS A STRATEGIC PLAN AS WELL AS URBAN FORESTRY AND AIRPORT AND AN AIRPORT PARKING FACILITY STUDY. SO ALL OF THESE PLANS ARE COMING OUT SOON AND TO REWRITE THE DOCUMENT AT THIS TIME BEFORE THOSE HAVE BEEN FINISHED IT DOESN'T SEEM PRUDENT AND STAFF'S OPINION AND THAT LAST BULLET IS TALKING ABOUT THE THE REAL ESTATE MARKET AND TRYING TO GET A FULL ACCOUNTING OF IT. WE KNOW IT'S TAKEN A DOVE SINCE THE PANDEMIC AND SO THERE'S SOMETHING TO BE SAID ABOUT HOW TO STRATEGIZE GIVING THAT REALITY BUT MAYBE OFFERING A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO SEE HOW THE OFFICE MARKET REACTS AS WE'RE, YOU KNOW, MOVING AWAY FROM THE YEARS OF THE PANDEMIC.  SO WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO FULLY ACCOUNT FOR THE THE THE SHIFTS IN THE MARKET.  A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT THE SOUTH LOOP DISTRICT PLAN DID IS GUIDE DEVELOPMENT AND CAPITAL INVESTMENTS UP UNTIL 2050 AND AS YOU CAN SEE IN THAT GRAPHIC IN THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER IT IDENTIFIED FOUR OR SIGNATURE ELEMENTS OR OF THE SOUTH LOOP GETTING THE BULK OF THE OF THE PLANNING EFFORT AND THE ATTENTION IN THE DOCUMENT THAT WOULD THEN SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE THE THE THE DISTRICT SO LINDA LANE 24TH AVENUE THAT ENTIRE QUARTER OF 24TH AVENUE 34TH AND AMERICAN BOULEVARD WHICH IT IDENTIFIES AS A NEIGHBORHOOD IN THAT GRAPHIC AND THE BLUFF EDGE AREA IT IT LOOKS AT ALL OF THOSE AREAS THROUGH THE LENS OF LAND USE TRANSPORTATION PARKS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SO IT DOES A FULL ACCOUNTING OF HOW TO APPROACH THOSE ITEMS ARE THOSE SIGNATURE ELEMENTS AND THE VISION GOALS OR YEAH BEFORE YOU SOMETHING THAT JUMPS OUT TO STAFF CERTAINLY IS THE PHRASE TRANSFORMING THIS DISPERSED SUBURBAN COMMERCIAL AREA INTO A WALKABLE URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD WHICH REALLY GUIDES THE AND THE TONE IN THE ANALYSIS THE SOUTH LOOP BUSINESS IN THE DISTRICT PLAN. SO THAT'S SOMETHING TO TO FOCUS OR TO THINK OF AS WE'RE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF IS GOING TO HAVE TO CONSIDER AS WE'RE EVALUATED THE PROPOSED UPDATES AND A BIT MORE BACKGROUND TO GET YOU UP TO SPEED ON WHAT THE CURRENT STATUS OR THE CURRENT STATE OF THE SOUTH OF DISTRICT IS. THIS IS THE GUIDE TO LAND USE FOR THE SOUTH LOOP.  I'M SORRY I DON'T HAVE A I DON'T HAVE A COMPARISON TO WHAT IT WAS IN 2012 BUT NONETHELESS THERE HAS THERE HAVE BEEN CHANGES IN IN THE LAND USE TO ACCOMMODATE THE MIXED USE AND THE NORTHERN PART OF THE SOUTH LOOP AND STILL MAINTAINING SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD AND THOSE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AT THE SOUTH PART OF THE SOUTH LOOP THERE'S A ZONING NOT MUCH TO SEE WITH THIS BUT OTHERWISE THAT THE THE AND THE LAND USE ARE PRETTY WELL ALIGNED THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS WORKED OUT IN THE SOUTH OF THE DISTRICT PLAN BACK IN 2012 SO A LOT OF THE DISTRICTS COME OUT DRAFTED TO MEET THE THE LAND USE GUIDANCE THIS IS THE SCHEDULE AS I MENTIONED THIS KICKED OFF IN JULY. THIS IS THE FIRST ROUND OF STUDY SESSIONS IN OCTOBER. WE PLAN TO HAVE A SECOND ROUND IN DECEMBER CONTINUING A LITTLE BIT INTO EARLY JANUARY ACCOMMODATE THE CITY COUNCIL THE PUBLIC NOT A PUBLIC HEARING SORRY A CITY COUNCIL MEETING IN EARLY JUNE OR JANUARY AND THEN WE'RE HOPING TO WRAP THIS UP IN APRIL AND AS INDICATED AT THE END THAT RIGHT HAND THIS GRAPHIC WE'RE WHERE WE INTEND THAT THE THE UPDATES WILL MATERIALIZE IN ACTUAL PROJECTS THAT CAN MAKE IT ON TO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAMS SO THAT THERE'S THERE'S AN END GOAL SHOWN WITH, YOU KNOW, THIS UPDATE PROCESS THAT IT WILL MATERIALIZE AND ACTUAL PHYSICAL IMPROVEMENTS IN THE SOUTH DISTRICT AND WE JUST NEED THOSE MEMORIALIZED IN A IN A PLAN TO GUIDE THE THAT TYPE OF IMPLEMENTATION OF ENGAGEMENT THAT'S OCCURRED SO FAR. AGAIN THIS IS AN UPDATE SO IF WE WERE DOING A FULL REWRITE THE ENGAGEMENT WOULD BE A LOT MORE INTENSE AND AND A LOT MORE WIDESPREAD THAN WHAT IT IS. BUT NONETHELESS WE HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE PUBLIC. WE SET UP BOOTH OR A TABLE AT THE MUSIC IN THE PARK FESTIVAL PERHAPS IT'S A FESTIVAL THAT WAS ON AUGUST 4TH. YEAH, WE DID GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE OR SOME COMMENTS FROM PEOPLE THAT ATTENDED AND THEY THEY WERE VERY INTERESTING. THOSE ARE SUMMARIZED IN YOUR THE STAFF REPORT FOR YOU AND IN THE PACKET WE HAVE A LET'S TALK LIVINGSTON PAGE ACTING AS A REPOSITORY FOR PROJECT MATERIALS BUT ALSO DESCRIBING THE PROJECT IN A WAY TO ASK QUESTIONS AND LEAVE COMMENTS AS A READER SEE FIT WE HAVE ASSEMBLED A LIST OF KEY STAKEHOLDER IN THE SOUTH LOOP. WE'VE LET THEM KNOW THAT THIS PROJECT HAS KICKED OFF AND MADE OURSELVES AVAILABLE TO HAVE ANY MEETINGS OR DISCUSSIONS. WE DO PLAN TO PROACTIVELY ENGAGE THE STAKEHOLDERS AND TRY TO SET UP ON ONE MEETINGS TO GET THEIR TAKE ON ANY UPDATES TO THE SOUTH LOOP AND WHAT THEY SEE AS ITS EVOLUTION . AND THEN YOU KNOW THIS IS ONE OF MANY MEETINGS THAT WE'RE DOING IN OCTOBER. WE'VE ALREADY HAD CREATIVE PLACEMAKING OR WE HAD A MEETING WITH THE CREATIVE PLACEMAKING COMMISSION ON OCTOBER 2ND THAT WENT WELL IT WAS IT WAS A GOOD DISCUSSION BUT YOU KNOW, FAIRLY FAIRLY SURFACE LEVEL SINCE THIS IS A STUDY ITEM AND BUT NONETHELESS THEY HAD A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK WILL WE'LL CONSIDER AS WE'RE FORMULATING UPDATES WE HAVE MEETINGS WITH SUSTAINABLE COMMISSIONS FOR SUSTAINABILITY AND PORT AUTHORITY ON OCTOBER 15TH WE HAVE THE MEETING WITH PARKS COMMISSION ON DECEMBER 11TH AND THEN WE'LL BE MEETING THE CITY COUNCIL AT THE END OF THIS MONTH. SO THERE'S A LOT OF MEETINGS THIS MONTH BUT IT'S WORTH IT AND YOU KNOW THIS EFFORT WOULDN'T BE POSSIBLE WITHOUT THE TEAM. SO I REALLY WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THERE CONTRIBUTIONS.  WE'VE BEEN WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT STAFF IN DIFFERENT DIVISIONS TO GET THEIR INPUT AND THEIR REVIEW ON THE DOCUMENT AS IT IS. THAT'LL BE VERY HELPFUL AS WE'RE EVALUATING AND FORMULATING UPDATES WE'LL BE UTILIZING THEM AS A RESOURCE ALL THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS.  SO IT'S REALLY GREAT TO HAVE A A TEAM AVAILABLE LIKE THE ONE YOU SEE BEFORE YOU AND IF YOU'LL RECALL OR IF YOU'LL YOU'LL SEE IN YOUR PACKET THERE WE'VE DONE THAT REVIEW WITH THAT TEAM THAT'S EXHIBIT SEVEN WHERE WE SPLIT UP THE THE REVIEW PROCESS THROUGH CERTAIN LINES OF EXPERTIZE AND GAVE FOLKS SOME TIME TO LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT TO, IDENTIFY SOME ISSUES AND RECOMMENDED UPDATES OR AT LEAST PROPOSE SOME QUESTIONS THAT WILL INFORM FUTURE DISCUSSIONS. SO THAT'S IN THAT SPREADSHEET BEFORE YOU WE HAVE LINES THAT WERE HIGHLIGHTED THAT OH OH I'M SORRY IT'S RIGHT HERE IN THE SLIDE I'M SORRY I DIDN'T NEED TO SKIP THE SLIDE LETTING ME WE HAVE SOME LINES THAT ARE HIGHLIGHTED THOSE REFLECT THE POLICY RELATED UPDATES THE ONES THAT ARE NOT HIGHLIGHTED THE TYPES UPDATES THAT REVEAL THEMSELVES THROUGH THIS FIRST ROUND OF REVIEWS KIND OF FALL INTO TWO BUCKETS THERE'S THE DATA UPDATES THOSE ARE FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD UNCONTROVERSIAL. IT'S JUST CHANGING NUMBERS OR IF THERE WAS A CHANGE IN PROPERTY OWNERSHIP OR CHANGE IN NAME FOR A PROPERTY THAT WAS MENTIONED IN THE PLAN WE WANT TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT AND JUST BRING IT UP TO DATE.  SOME OF THE OTHER ITEMS START TO AND SOME OF THE DATA ACTUALLY CAN BLEED INTO POLICY UPDATES ESPECIALLY AS IT RELATES TO PROJECTED OFFICE OFFICE MARKET DEMAND THAT THAT WILL REQUIRE US TO THINK POLICY WISE WHAT SHOULD THE LAND USE MIX BE IN THE SOUTH?  SO THAT'S HOW WE'VE ARRANGED THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF ISSUES THAT THAT THAT WERE OBSERVED BY THE TEAM AND THEN FROM THAT WE WE WE WERE LOOK WE'VE LOOKED AT THE ISSUES IDENTIFIED AND THE YOU KNOW, THE POLICY RELATED ITEMS AND WANTED BUCKET THEM EVEN FURTHER INTO PRIORITY AREAS AND THESE ARE A RECOMMENDED PRIORITIES THAT STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED THE UPDATING THE PARKS AND OPEN SPACE THE MAP THAT'S SHOWING IN THE THE DISTRICT PLAN IS OUT OF DATE AND THAT WILL NEED TO BE UPDATED AND THERE WAS PARKS MASTER PLAN THAT WAS RECENTLY ADOPTED SO WE'LL HAVE TO BRING THOSE ALIGNMENT AMONG OTHER THINGS. YOU KNOW THAT'S JUST ONE EXAMPLE THERE'S TRANSPORTATION UPDATES SO WE NEED TO ACCOUNT FOR WITH STREET DESIGN A BIKE FACILITY EXPANSION THERE WAS A PRETTY EMPHASIS ON BIKE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE'LL HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR IN AND EVALUATE HOW THAT YOU KNOW THE PROGRESS TOWARDS THE BIKE GOALS ARE GOING.  WE'LL NEED TO UPDATE AND CLARIFY SOME DEVELOPMENT GOALS AND THAT'LL THAT MAY THAT WILL RESULT IN OR I SHOULD SAY THAT MAY RESULT REGARDING SOME PARCELS IT WILL MOST RESULT IN SOME ZONING AMENDMENTS OR SOME AMENDMENTS TO TO THE ZONING WITHIN THE SOUTH LOOP. SO THAT'S ANOTHER PRIORITY AREA WE'RE GOING TO WORK OUT STREETSCAPE PLAZAS AND OTHER PUBLIC SPACES IS A BIG TOPIC WITHIN THE SOUTH LOOP AND WE'LL HAVE REVIEW THAT WITH YOUR GUIDANCE YOUR INPUT ON HOW BEST TO APPROACH THE CREATION OF NEW STREETSCAPE OR NEW PLAZAS AND OTHER PUBLIC SPACES. HOW SHOULD THEY FIT INTO NEW DEVELOPMENT ETC. AND THEN WE HAVE SOME SUSTAINABILITY UPDATES WE NEED TO ACCOUNT FOR . AGAIN SUSTAINABILITY IS NEW SO AND IT'S A BIG POINT OF EMPHASIS IN THE PLAN AND THAT WAS DONE WITHOUT HAVING SUSTAINABILITY STAFF NOW THAT WE HAVE THAT WE CAN USE THE EXPERTIZE WE HAVE IN-HOUSE TO ,ASSESS THE GOALS AND AND THE STRATEGIES THAT WERE ADVOCATED IN THE PLAN AND RIGHT SIZING THEM OR EVALUATING THEM AND IF THEY'VE BEEN AFFECTED OR EFFECTIVE OR THEY NEED TO BE MODIFIED AT ALL AS PART OF THIS UPDATE PROCESS.  SO WITH THAT HERE ARE SOME QUESTIONS FOR PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONSIDER LOOKING AT THIS LIST OF PRIORITY AREAS DO YOU SEE ANYTHING THAT'S MISSING FROM THIS LIST AND IF SO SHOULD BE ADDED? IS THERE ANYTHING THAT SHOULD BE REMOVED BECAUSE THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE STAFF IS STILL TRYING TO FIRM UP A SCOPE OF WORK AND THE UPDATES HAVE TO BE TO THEY HAVE TO BE IN SUCH A MANNER IN SUCH A NATURE THAT THEY DON'T REQUIRE SOMETHING BEYOND THE RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE THIS PROJECT. SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO THINK ABOUT THE UPDATES THAT WILL HAVE THE MOST POSITIVE IMPACT WITHOUT REQUIRING A WHOLESALE REWRITE OF THE DOCUMENT. SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE COME UP WITH THIS LIST OF PRIORITY AND IF ANYTHING SHOULD BE REMOVED WE'D LOVE TO HEAR YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT IF SOMETHING SHOULD BE ADDED PLEASE BE AWARE THAT THAT MAY REQUIRE MORE RESOURCES THAT YOU KNOW WE WILL HAVE TO BALANCE AND THINK ABOUT AS WE'RE VALUE OR AS WE'RE COMING UP WITH A GAME PLAN ABOUT HOW TO TACKLE THOSE AND CAN YOU THINK OF ANY YOU KNOW, JUST THROUGH YOUR PERSONAL  EXPERIENCE WITH THE SOUTH LOOP OR JUST IN YOUR TIME ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR RESIDENT IN BLOOMINGTON, IS THERE ANY SPECIFIC UPDATES THAT FALL OUTSIDE THE LIST OF PRIORITY AREAS AND THAT YOU'D LIKE TO IDENTIFY AND HAVE US CONSIDER SO YOU KNOW WITH THAT I'LL BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE SOME QUESTIONS COMMENTS THOUGHTS FROM COMMISSIONER CURRIE CAN YOU GO BACK TO PAGE WITH THE VISION SHARE THE SOUTH LOOP?  SO I THINK THE MAIN SO TRANSFORM IT INTO WALKABLE URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD YOU KNOW TRACKS PEOPLE FOR EACH OF ITS UNIQUE CHARACTER AND ASSETS LIKE THIS WAS PUT INTO PLACE LIKE 12 YEARS AGO AND I JUST LIKE I WONDER BUT I DON'T REALLY SEE THE WALKABILITY HAPPENING AT ALL LIKE I THINK YOU KIND OF WE GOT TO HAVE MORE ACTIVATION OF THE AREA. YOU HAVE TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE AROUND LIKE TO ACTUALLY GO PLACES TO ENTICE PEOPLE TO GO OUT AND SEE EACH OTHER AND MAKE IT SOCIAL MAKE IT WALKABLE SO YOU KNOW I THINK KIND OF LOOKING AT THE ACTIVITY OR THE AMOUNT OF DEVELOPMENT HAPPENED THERE OVER THE PAST 12 YEARS WE'VE GOT A GROCERY STORE AND A COFFEE SHOP AND THEN A LOT OF APARTMENT AND I MEAN I'VE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION FOR APPROVAL OF ONE APARTMENT BUILDING I GUESS BUT LOOKING AT THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS LIKE I DON'T SEE I MEAN THEY'RE ALL I THINK FOR THE MOST PART SOMEWHAT CLOSED OFF RIGHT SO THEY'RE NOT OUTWARD FACING KIND OF ENGAGING TO THE PUBLIC WITH NOT NOT SO INVITING FOR PEOPLE TO TO WALK OR TO I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WOULD GO ON TO THE PROPERTY BUT IN I JUST DON'T SEE US MAKING ANY PROGRESS CREATING A WALKABLE URBAN NEIGHBORHOOD AND I THINK WE HAVE TO I DON'T KNOW I KNOW.  WHAT DO YOU DO? THAT'S JUST THAT'S JUST MY MAIN THOUGHT COMMISSIONER EDUCATION EXPENDITURE. YEAH.  COMMISSIONER CURRIE, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS AND I'VE BEEN TO GET THIS UPDATE DONE FOR A FEW YEARS BECAUSE I HAVE SOME OF THE SAME CONCERNS . I THINK WHAT WE HAD ENVISIONED 12 YEARS AGO IN THE SOUTH LOOP IS NOW WHAT WE'VE SEEN OVER THE LAST 12 YEARS. I APPRECIATE THAT THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF DEVELOPMENTS BUT I'M NOT SURE IT'S THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WE WE DREAMED OF I DON'T MY IMAGINE DOESN'T DANCE WHEN SEE ANOTHER FIVE STOREY WOOD APARTMENT BUILDING GOING UP AND SO TO YOUR POINT THE UNIQUENESS OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD I THINK IS IT HAS BEEN A DISAPPOINTMENT IN SOME WAYS.  AND TO YOUR POINT OF OF PEOPLE OUT ON THE STREET IS ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IS THE LACK OF RETAIL IN THE AREA IN THAT GROCERY STORE CLOSED. OF COURSE THREE MONTHS AND SO WE STILL HAVE A FOOD DESERT THERE AND SO A MAJOR PROBLEM IS HAVING A FOOD DESERT. I MEAN MOST PEOPLE I KNOW THAT LIVE IN SOUTH THEY'VE GOT A RICHFIELD TO BUY FOOD BECAUSE THAT'S THE CLOSEST GROCERY STORE. AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE KNOW WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT AND TRYING TO GET A GAME PLAN TOGETHER OF HOW WE CAN FIX A HAVING A FOOD DESERT THERE. THAT'S A MAJOR PROBLEM. WE GOT TO FIX THAT AND I THINK THERE ARE SMALL POCKETS OF SOUTH LOOP THAT ARE WALKABLE. I THINK BLOOMINGTON CENTRAL STATION IS RELATIVELY WALKABLE BUT IN MY OPINION AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS IS WE'VE GOT TO GET MORE RETAIL AND WE'VE HAD DEVELOPMENT RECENT DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS COME BEFORE US AND SAY WE DON'T WANT TO DO RETAIL . WELL IF IT WERE UP TO ME WE WOULDN'T GIVE THEM THE OPTION . I KNOW NOT EVERYONE ON THE COMMISSION AGREES WITH THAT AND SO I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING FOR STAFF TO LOOK AT IT AND COME BACK TO US AS TO WHAT MAKES SENSE AND IS THERE A WAY TO GET MORE RETAIL THAT'S GOING TO BE SUCCESSFUL SUCCESSFUL?  SO YEAH, THAT WAS THE BIG THING MR. WILSON I HAD ON MY LIST WAS RETAIL AND HONESTLY EXPERIENTIAL RETAIL AND I'M JUST OPENING NOW A LITTLE BIT BUT I THINK SOUTH LOOP'S CHALLENGE IS THAT IT'S NOT DRIVE THROUGH NEIGHBORHOOD NO ONE GOES TO SOUTH LOOP UNLESS THEY MEANT TO GO TO SOUTH LOOP AND THAT WILL ALWAYS BE TOUGH FOR US. WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT FRANCE AVENUE IN IN ANY DINER WHERE YOU JUST FIND YOURSELF GOING THERE FOR OTHER REASONS OR YOU'RE THROUGH AND WE'RE NOT LYNDALE AVENUE IN CENTRAL BLOOMINGTON WHERE YOU'RE JUST KIND OF ALWAYS THERE. IT SEEMS LIKE IF YOU DON'T LIVE IN SOUTH OF OR GOING TO VISIT SOMEONE THERE YOU'RE ALMOST NEVER AND SO HOW DO WE GET EXPERIENTIAL THINGS IN SOUTH LOOP AWAY FROM THE MALL LIKE FURTHER OF THE MALL LIKE IS IT I DON'T KNOW A BREWERY OR SOMETHING LIKE THINKING ABOUT NINE MILE THAT'S A DESTINATION FOR PEOPLE WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT IF WE HAD THAT TYPE OF DESTINATION LIKE NINE MILE IN SOUTH LOOP TO BRING PEOPLE THERE AND SAY I LIKE COMING HERE. THAT'S A BEAUTIFUL PARK. THERE'S WATER FEATURES.  THERE'S NOT SO MANY KIDS RUNNING AROUND LIKE THIS IS GREAT, THIS IS THE BEST AND.  SO LIKE HOW DO WE GET SOME LIKE UNIQUENESS BACK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS WE'VE SEEN AND IT'S JUST MY OWN OPINION HERE BUT THEY'RE SO VANILLA LIKE I APPRECIATE THAT THERE'S A LOT OF UNITS THERE AND IT'S GREAT TO PROVIDE HOUSING. WE OBVIOUSLY NEED THAT BUT THEY'RE SO VANILLA LIKE WHEN REFLECTIONS WAS BUILT IN THOUSAND FIVE LIKE THAT WAS LIKE WOW WE'RE DOING SOMETHING HERE.  THEY'RE GORGEOUS, THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL, THEY'RE DIFFERENT. YOU KNOW, BURNSVILLE DOESN'T HAVE BUILDINGS LIKE THIS AND EDEN PRAIRIE DOESN'T BUILDINGS LIKE REFLECTIONS THEY'RE THEY'RE CONDOS WHICH THERE'S NOT MANY OF THEIR VERTICAL.  THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL. THEY LOOK OVER THE BLUFF LIKE IT WAS A UNIQUE ASSET TO BLOOMINGTON THAT MOST CITIES DON'T HAVE. AND SO THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN MY DESIRE OF BLOOMINGTON IS TO CREATE THAT OTHER SUBURBS DON'T HAVE SO THAT WE'RE NOT JUST OURSELVES VERB THAT WERE THE SUBURB OF MINNEAPOLIS AND SAINT PAUL AND SOUTH IS OUR OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT AND IT'S JUST GOTTEN SO VANILLA FOR ME PERSONALLY THAT YOU KNOW WE'RE STARTING TO RUN OUT OF LAND OVER THERE AND WHERE SOME OF OUR OUR BEST CHANCES ARE BEHIND US WITH SIX STORY WOOD WOOD APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND SO I LOVE FOR THIS PLAN TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND MAYBE WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE HARDER THE DEVELOPNT COMMUNITY RAISE OUR STANDARDS A LITTLE BIT AND AND THINGS AND ANOTHER THING THAT I'VE BEEN LIKE ASKING FOR FOREVER AND I THINK THIS IS IN THE PLAN IS TRAIL CONNECTIONS DOWN TO THE BLUFF LAKE THAT IS AGAIN A UNIQUE ASSET THAT THAT NEIGHBORHOOD HAS THAT THAT FRANCE AVENUE DOESN'T HAVE.  AND SO LIKE YOU KNOW, YOUR CHOICES THEN IF YOU'RE TRYING TO DECIDE AM I GOING TO LIVE ON FRANCE AVENUE OR AM I GOING TO LIVE IN CENTRAL STATION LIKE YOU CAN EITHER LIVE NEXT TO A TARGET OR YOU CAN LIVE NEXT TO THE BLUFF. BUT THE PROBLEM IS IT'S SO DANG HARD TO GET TO THE BLUFF FROM AND CENTRAL STATION YOU GOT TO LIVE LIKE ALMOST LIKE THREE QUARTERS OF A MILE TO THE REFUGE CENTER TO GET INTO THE BLUFF WHEN IT'S A BLOCK AWAY FROM YOUR HOUSE. BUT CAN'T GET IN THERE BECAUSE THERE'S NO TRAIL CONNECTION AND THAT'S SOMETHING THE CITY CAN DO LIKE OUR OWN ABILITIES. LET'S GET IN THERE, CREATE THESE BLUFF CONNECTIONS AND LIKE THAT'S HOW WE CAN START RAISING RENTS BECAUSE EVERY TIME I ASK, YOU KNOW THE PORT AUTHORITY WHY AREN'T WE SEEING MORE DENSE DEVELOPMENT IN SOUTH LOOP AND THEY TELL ME IT'S BECAUSE WE CAN'T COMMAND THE RENTS THAT EDINA DOES WELL ONE OF THE WAYS WE CAN RAISE FRIENDS IS BY MAKING IT EASIER TO GET TO THE BLUFF AND THINGS LIKE THAT WITH CREATIVE PLACEMAKING WHICH WE'RE DOING A DECENT JOB OF I CAN APPRECIATE THE ART IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS GOOD BUT WHAT CAN WE DO AS A CITY TO RAISE RENTS, MAKE IT THAT MUCH MORE DESIRABLE AND MAKE IT A DESTINATION BECAUSE AGAIN YOU'RE NOT GOING THERE FOR ANY OTHER REASON RIGHT NOW. SO WHETHER THAT'S MORE EXPERIENTIAL RETAIL OR MAYBE IT'S SOME RETAIL THAT'S NOT SO CUTESY BUT IS GOING TO DRAW PEOPLE LIKE YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW CHIPOTLE THESE ARE REALLY POPULAR AND SO MAYBE HAVING A TRIPLE LAKE OR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT IS NOT SO BAD IF IT'S BRINGING IN LIKE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE A DAY TO SEE OUR BEAUTIFUL NEIGHBORHOODS LIKE MAYBE THAT'S NOT THE WORST THING AND WE SHOULD LOOK AT SO I DON'T KNOW I'M JUST RAMBLING NOW AND I'M JUST GOING TO LEAVE IT THERE FOR NOW COMMISSIONER CURRY.  THANK YOU, CHAIR ONE MORE THOUGHT. YEAH, I THINK THE OTHER THE OTHER ASPECT OF DEVELOPMENT THAT IS CAUSING A PROBLEM FOR THE VISION OF SOUTH LOOP IS JUST THE SCALE. EVERYTHING IS SO LARGE I MEAN GO LAS VEGAS YOU'RE LIKE OH YEAH I CAN WALK THERE AND 25 MINUTES LATER YOU GOT TO THE NEXT TO WHERE YOU'RE PLANNING TO GO KNOW LIKE EVERYTHING IS SUCH A FAR WALK I AGAIN IT'S JUST WHEN YOU'VE BASICALLY GOT TWO PLACES TO WALK TO THERE'S NO REASON THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE OUT WALKING AND IF NOBODY'S OUT WALKING YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ATTRACT RETAIL BUSINESSES TO BE THERE BECAUSE NOT GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE WALKING THERE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S A CHICKEN AND EGG KIND OF SITUATION AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CITY WHAT THE CITY CAN DO TO ATTRACT LIKE THAT.  BUT THE SCALE OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS WHEN THEY'RE AN ENTIRE BLOCK AND THERE'S NO RETAIL AT ALL ON THAT ENTIRE BLOCK SO YOU HAVE TO GO TWO BLOCKS AND YOU PROBABLY MAYBE SEE ONE PERSON ALONG THE WAY LIKE NOBODY'S GOING TO DO THAT. SO YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WOULD YOU DO BUT THERE'S GOT TO I THINK THE CITY'S GOT TO FIGURE SOMETHING OUT IF YOU WANT TO ENABLE IF YOU WANT TO GET TO THIS VISION BECAUSE I THINK ALL OF WHATEVER THE CHANGES ARE HERE LIKE I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH PURPOSE THERE TO THEM IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO ATTRACT ANY RETAIL WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO HAVE THE VISION. SO I'LL CHIME IN HERE I THINK MAYBE A VISION IS A VISION AND A GOALS A GOAL WHICH IS GREAT AND I THINK THE CITY DOES HAVE SOME STRINGS PULL WITH THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AROUND WHAT THE VISION AND GOALS ARE. HOWEVER THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AND RETAIL COMPANIES HAVE THE ABILITY TO THEN JUST SAY AND WALK AWAY. SO WHILE UNDERSTAND THAT YOU KNOW WE WANTED TO SEE X, Y AND Z THE MARKET WAS WHAT THE MARKET WAS AND YOU KNOW DEVELOPERS ARE ONLY GOING TO BUILD WHAT TYPES OF UNITS AND AT THE DENSITY OF THE UNITS THAT THEY THINK THAT THEY CAN ABSORB FOR THE MARKET AND YOU KNOW THERE ISN'T THERE IS NOT RENT GROWTH IN THE TWIN CITIES AND THAT MAKES IT VERY HARD TO BUILD AND OPERATE MULTIFAMILY PROPERTIES I THINK THAT WHILE THE VISION FOR RETAIL IS A GOOD ONE THERE'S BEEN TRIAL AND THERE'S BEEN ERROR.  YOU KNOW THERE IS A MULTIFAMILY BUILDING THAT HAD THE COFFEE SHOP THAT CLOSED YOU KNOW IT'S AND NOW IT'S JUST AN EMPTY STREETSCAPE. SO WHAT I WOULD I RATHER HAVE AN STOREFRONT OR WHAT I RATHER HAVE MULTIFAMILY PROBABLY JUST RATHER HAVE MORE UNITS THAN I WOULD HAVE EMPTY RETAIL AND IT'S SORT OF LIKE A WHAT CAN YOU DO TO TAKE A BLANK SLATE AND REALLY CREATE SOMETHING OUT OF NOTHING THAT BECOMES REALLY HARD AND I THINK WE HAD THIS ABOUT THE LYNDALE AVENUE RETROFIT PLAN IS YES WE HAVE A VISION BUT IT IS GOING TAKE TIME TO GET THERE AND AT WHAT POINT AT WHAT POINT ARE WE GOING TO GET THERE? I'M NOT REALLY SURE BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN SAY IN THE MEANTIME NO TO DEVELOPERS WHO ARE WILLING TO BUILD AND DEVELOP HOUSING AT THE YOU KNOW, FIVE OVER ONE BUT IT'S IT IF WE COULD GO TO YOUR QUESTIONS  I THINK THE PRIORITY AREAS ARE APPROPRIATE . I THINK THAT  I THINK THAT PARKS AND OPEN IS FROM MY POINT OF VIEW NEEDS TO BE YOUR NUMBER ONE.  AND I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER CLIFTON THAT YOU UTILIZING THE TRAIL NETWORK I MEAN WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE WE LIVE ON OLD CHOCOLATE ROAD BUT WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH GREAT ACCESS TO THE BLUFF TRAILS AND THE RIVER.  I MEAN THAT'S WHY WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE AND WE STILL WALK,  YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY A MILE TO GET TO THE TRAILHEAD BUT.  IT'S WHY WE'RE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'RE IN . DO I THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO DRIVE RENTS UP? NO.  DO I THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO INCREASE OF THE AMOUNT DEVELOPMENT MAYBE. BUT I DEFINITELY THINK FROM A STANDPOINT OF JUST LIKE ACCESS PEOPLE YOU KNOW THE MOUNTAIN BIKING COMMUNITY FOR EXAMPLE AND OR THE HIKING COMMUNITY OF MINNESOTA THEY LOOK AT THOSE MAPS AND THEY TRYING TO FIND THE TRAILHEADS AND THE ONE YOU KNOW BY THE OLD CEDAR BRIDGE IS THE PARKING LOT IS FULL. SO CREATING THOSE PLACES WHERE IT WOULD BE EASY TO GET TO YOU JUST NEED MORE EYES THE AREA AND I THINK PARKS AND OPEN SPACE THAT FRAMEWORK IS THE PLACE TO START AND THEN I THINK THE REST OF IT WILL COME I JUST THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO BE SOME TIME FROM MY PERSPECTIVE COMES YOUR HURRY THANK YOU CHAIR THINK THOSE ARE ALL GOOD POINTS I THINK THE CEDAR LAKE I AGREE WITH YOU GUYS BUT BOTH OF YOU ON THE TRAIL ASPECT AND THIS YEAR LAKE POINT IS A GOOD ONE YOU KNOW AGAIN JUST GOING BACK TO WHAT OUR WHAT ARE THE COMPLIMENTARY USES OR WHAT ARE WHAT ARE THE NATURAL LIKE KIND OF STRENGTHS THAT THE AREA HAS YOU GOT BLUFFS, YOU GOT AIRPORT PROXIMITY. WHAT KIND OF USES ARE COMPLEMENTARY TO AIRPORT USE TO BASICALLY PEOPLE COMING INTO TOWN FOR A DAY OR OR LEAVING LIKE HOTELS I MEAN YOU GOT THE MALL OF AMERICA ON ONE SIDE I JUST KIND OF LOOK AT IT AND YOU TALK ABOUT PRIORITY AREAS I WONDER IF THERE'S SPECIFIC AREAS THAT ARE BETTER SUITED THAT HAVE NOT BEEN REDEVELOPED YET THAT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE TO HAVE AN ACTUAL FOCUS ON CREATING OF A AN URBAN FEEL WHERE YOU REALLY HAVE A RETAIL LIKE A STREET RETAIL FOCUS YOU KNOW EVEN IF IT'S LIKE ONE BLOCK WHERE PEOPLE WERE IN TOWN STAYING AT THE HOTEL OR STAYING AT THEY'RE TO MALL OF AMERICA OR WHATEVER ACTUALLY WANT TO BE AND WALK YOU KNOW, ALONG A ONE BLOCK OR TWO BLACK RETAIL AREA YOU KNOW SOMETHING LIKE THAT JUST HAVE ONE FOCUS OR ONE I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY IF IT MAKES SENSE FOR THE CITY TO REZONE OR REGARD AN AREA SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT USE BUT I DON'T KNOW I THINK WHATEVER WE JUST TRY TO PLAY OFF OF THE AREA STRENGTHS LIKE THE MALL OF AMERICA AND AND THE AIRPORT AND FOCUS ON YOU KNOW ATTRACTING SOME CREATING SOME AREA THAT CAN ACTUALLY THAT IS ACTUALLY LIKE ACTIVATED AND GETS PEOPLE OUT WALKING AROUND COMMISSIONER  FEEDING OFF OF EVERYBODY I'M LIKING WHAT EVERYONE IS SAYING YOU KNOW WE HAVE WE'RE LOOKING AT RETAIL WE'RE LOOKING AT ACCESS TO TRAILS.  WE GOT MALL OF AMERICA AND WE GOT AIRPORT. WE HAVE SO MUCH THAT'S AROUND THIS AREA WE COULD BUILD OFF OF GOING BACK TO RETAIL KNOW IT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT IDEA BUT YOU KNOW RETAIL CAN CLOSE DOWN AT 9:00 WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO TO BRING PEOPLE IN AFTER NINE YOU KNOW IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE AN AREA KIND OF LIKE IN MINNESOTA WHERE THEY HAVE LOCAL BANDS COME IN AND PLAY UNTIL 1030,  11:00 AT NIGHT FITS WITHIN THE ZONE OF OF THE ORDINANCE OR THE ORDINANCE NOISE ORDINANCE WHILE THAT TOOK ME A WHILE BUT SOMETHING TO REALLY KEEP PEOPLE OUTSIDE AND KEEP THEM ENGAGED AND YOU KNOW WITH THAT KIND OF ENTERTAINMENT COMES THE NEED FOR THE NEED FOR A BEVERAGE, THE NEED FOR KNOW STAYING THE NIGHT BECAUSE THERE'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER BAND.  YOU KNOW WE NEED MORE ENTERTAINMENT IN THAT AREA TO DRAW PEOPLE INTO THAT AREA AND I THINK RETAIL AND OTHER THINGS WILL FOLLOW.  I LIKE THE ACCESS TO THE TRAILS IS THAT IS A NECESSITY BECAUSE THERE IS NO OTHER WAY EXCEPT AT THE REFUGE.  SO I THINK WE NEED TO JUST GIVE THIS A ONCE OVER.  IT'S BEEN HERE FOR A WHILE BUT WE REALLY NEED TO BRING IN SOMETHING THAT'S UNIQUE AND ENTERTAINING AND DRIVES PEOPLE TO WANT TO COME HERE.  SO THANK YOU. YEAH I HAVE ONE THING TO KIND OF PIGGYBACK OFF COMMISSIONER MCGOVERN'S  THOUGHTS? YEAH. I'VE SPENT SOME TIME IN PORTLAND. I HAVE A REALLY GOOD FRIEND WHO LIVES THERE AND THEY HAVE THESE KIND OF FOOD TRUCK PARKING LOT TYPE THINGS AND WHERE THEY JUST HAVE A BUNCH OF FOOD TRUCKS PARKED THERE WITH PICNIC BENCHES IN THE MIDDLE THEY MAY HAVE A PUBLIC RESTROOM OR A PORTA OR WHATEVER IT IS AND THE OUTSIDE AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT A PLACE LIKE THAT WHAT INTRIGUES ME IS THE ABILITY TO HAVE IT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME AND THEN IT CAN GO AWAY PRETTY QUICKLY. SO I THINK THERE'S AND THIS MAY ALREADY BE IN THE PLAN I THINK THAT INSTEAD OF FOCUSING SO MUCH ON SORT THE BRICK AND MORTAR WHAT ACTUALLY IS DEVELOPED THERE GETTING MORE EYES OF MORE PEOPLE IN THAT AREA THROUGH YOU KNOW, LIKE MAYBE MOVING THE FARMER'S MARKET THERE OR WOULD YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO MAKE THIS AREA A PRIORITY IN ORDER TO GET PEOPLE TO REALLY THINK ABOUT THIS AS A PLACE TO LIVE, TO HANG OUT, YOU KNOW, A SPLASH PAD FOR EXAMPLE, I HAVE A TWO YEAR OLD AND WE GO TO A SPLASH PAD ALMOST EVERY WEEKEND IN DIFFERENT PLACES YOU KNOW, IS THERE IS THERE SOMETHIN YOU CAN DO ON A MORE TEMPORARY BASIS THAT CREATES SORT OF A PLACE?  BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I THINK THERE'S LACKING THERE'S A LACKING OF PLACE.  BUT I ALSO UNDERSTAND AND THE HESITATION FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY TO REALLY PUT ROOTS DOWN TO REALLY BUILD SOMETHING THEY'RE NOT QUITE SURE THAT IT'S GOING TO TURN OUT AS THEY ANTICIPATE . SO THERE'S SOMETHING SORT OF IN BETWEEN I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT IDEA.  KERSHAW HURRY.  THANKS. ONE MORE THING. YEAH, I THINK THE KEYWORDS ARE PLACE PLACEMAKING AND ACTIVATING LIKE THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT NEED TO BE FOCUSED ON HERE .  ANY OTHER THOUGHTS?  COMMISSIONER UPTON I HAVE ANOTHER THOUGHT BUT YOURS WERE SO INTERESTING I FORGOT SO I WAS REALLY HOPING SOMEONE ELSE WOULD GO FOR A COUPLE OF MINUTES. I CAN REMEMBER OH COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM I CAN GO I ECHO THE SENTIMENT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT I THINK ACTIVATING THE SPACE UNIQUE WAYS TO ENCOURAGE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC WOULD BENEFICIAL TO THE OVERALL PLAN DEVELOPMENT.  I AGREE WITH YOU CHAIR ALBERT THAT YOU KNOW IT'S IT'S A IT'S A TOUGH SELL SOMETIMES IN A TOUGHER MARKET YOU KNOW THAN THE ROOM THE TOWERS COMMISSIONER COOKTOWN MENTIONED I CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF RIGHT NOW YOU KNOW IT'S PART OF THE THE SOUTHTOWN AREA YOU KNOW IS IT DIRECTLY IN THE FLIGHT PATH OF RUNWAY 35 MSP AND SO SOME OF THESE AREAS ARE HEIGHT RESTRICTED SO MAYBE THERE'S A WAY TO MAK MORE UNIQUE BUILDINGS AND AND USE OF SPACE BUT I THINK WE SHOULD JUST REMAIN COGNIZANT THAT IT IS DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO MSP COULD BE A THAT COULD BE A HINDRANCE AND WE THE CITY SHOULD DO WE CAN TO PROMOTE DEVELOPMENT AND HELP OVERCOME THAT HURDLE.  THANKS COMMISSIONER. SORRY THANK YOU. YOU'RE JUST GOING BACK AGAIN TO YOUR I THINK I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW MUCH THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN EVEN HELP HERE . I THINK THERE'S THE YOUR IDEAS ON YOU KNOW FOOD TRUCKS AND YOU KNOW FARMER'S MARKETS I MEAN WHAT THE CITY OF ANOKA LIKE LEGALIZED ALCOHOL ON THE STREET DOWNTOWN AND SO YEAH JUST AGAIN I THIS IS LIKE A BIGGER LIFT THAN THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN GENERAL I THINK THIS IS EVEN LIKE THE PORT AUTHORITY AND WHATEVER OTHER PARTS OF GOVERNMENT THERE ARE THAT CAN HELP, YOU KNOW, INCENTIVIZE FOOD TRUCKS COMING TO ONE LOCATION AND FARMER'S MARKETS AND OTHER CREATIVE IDEAS COMMISSIONER MCGOVERN, I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN A WORK IN PROGRESS BUT HAVE WE CURRENTLY WE LOOKED AT OTHER CITIES AND WHAT THEY HAVE GOING ON AND KIND OF DO A LITTLE APPLES TO APPLES COMPARISON TO WHAT COULD BRING IN THAT WOULD GENERATE BLOOMINGTON ON THE MAP GENERATE PEOPLE COMING THROUGH JUST ANYTHING BESIDES WHAT WE'RE KIND OF WORKING WITH RIGHT NOW A CHAIR OVER COMMISSIONER MCGOVERN WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT THAT SORT OF MARKET RESEARCH THIS IS REALLY TO FIRM UP THE PRIORITY AREAS I'M I'M HEARING SOME AGREEMENT WITH WHAT STAFF HAS IDENTIFIED AND THEN WITH THAT WITH YOUR BLESSING IN CONTINUING WELL I MEAN AND THEN OBVIOUSLY CITY COUNCIL'S BLESSING AND THEY HAVE THEIR THEIR INPUT AS WELL WE WOULD WE WOULD PROCEED AND WE WOULD WE WE COULD LOOK AT THAT TYPE OF WORK FITTING IN WITH THE YOU KNOW, THE CAPACITY OF STAFF THAT THAT'S DEDICATED TO THIS PROJECT AND THE RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE. PERHAPS WE COULD TRY TO FIND SOME SOME COMPARABLE AREAS AND SEE HOW THEY'VE MANAGE THAT IF THEY'VE STUCK WITH YOU KNOW, A THAT THEY ADOPTED A WHILE AGO OR IF THEY'VE YOU KNOW TO TERMS WITH MAYBE A DIFFERENT VISION THAT LEADS TO A MORE PROSPEROUS AREA WE WOULD CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT AND SEE HOW THEY'VE HANDLED IT AND REPORT BACK TO YOU AND THAT THEN INFLUENCE MORE UPDATES THAT WE COULD RESEARCH.  I THINK THE I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO AT OTHER PLACES. HOWEVER I THINK THE BIGGEST THING THAT MAKES THIS UNIQUE IS MAKES IT A UNIQUE AREA IS THE MALL OF AMERICA AND YOU ARE GOING TO REALLY WITH THE MALL OF AMERICA FOR WHATEVER YOU'RE DOING IN TERMS OF RETAIL IT'S A BEAST AND IT'S UNIQUE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU COMPETE OR CREATE SORT OF A WALKABLE NEIGHBORHOOD AROUND SOMETHING THAT WAS SORT OF DESIGNED TO BE VERY INTERIOR SPACE AND I THINK THAT'S UPHILL BATTLE.  HOWEVER YOU DO HAVE SOME SPACE IN BETWEEN THE MALL AND THE SOUTH LOOP KIND OF THE PRIORITY AREA IS BUT I THINK THAT YOU KNOW I THINK THAT THE AREA IS IS UNLESS WE SEE A REAL BOOM IN DEVELOPMENT OR A REAL DIP IN INTEREST RATES, I THINK WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE A LOT OF THE HIGH RISK TYPES OF PROJECTS THAT WE'VE BEEN MENTIONING BECAUSE YOU'RE VERY NATURE I THINK AND MAYBE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG BUT JUST FROM MY OBSERVATION IT SEEMS LIKE MALL OF AMERICA LIKE THE WHOLE KIND OF RESTAURANT GOING OUT AREA HAS NOT REALLY BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL. SO RIGHT LIKE THE INDOOR AREA WHERE I DON'T KNOW THERE LIKE A MARGARITAVILLE AND SOME OTHER AND THOSE RESTAURANTS HAVE JUST KIND OF TURNED AND TURNED OVER. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S PARTICULAR TO THE MALL OF AMERICA, BUT MAYBE THAT THERE'S YOU KNOW OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE THAT ELSEWHERE IN THE AREA IF THEY CAN'T MAKE IT WORK IN THE MALL AND IT COULD BE BE COMPLIMENTARY ON ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY THERE COMMISSIONER COOKED IN MR. RAYMOND ALSO HAVE WE WILL BE IS IT EVEN APPROPRIATE TO REACH OUT TO SOME OF THE LIKE LARGE EMPLOYERS IN THIS AREA PARTICULARLY LIKE PARTNERS RIGHT I MEAN THEY CAN PROBABLY I DON'T KNOW A THOUSAND 1500 PEOPLE IN THEIR CAMPUS AND THINK THEIR RULES RIGHT NOW ARE PRETTY RELAXED ON ACTUALLY COMING THE OFFICE AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SUCCESS OF RETAIL THE COFFEE SHOP WOULD BE DOING TWICE AS GOOD AS THERE IS A THOUSAND PEOPLE WORKING AT HEALTHPARTNERS DAY. SO IS THERE A WAY TO WORK WITH THE HEALTH PARTNERS AND SAY WHAT CAN WE DO TOGETHER TO MAKE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD MORE ATTRACTIVE TO YOU AND YOU GET SOME PEOPLE BACK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD COMMISSIONER SORRY CHAIR ALBRECHT AND COMMISSIONER COOKED IN THAT WE ARE WE SO WE HAVE A KEY STAKEHOLDER THAT WE ARE REACHING OUT TO AND WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO BE MAINTAINING REGULAR COMMUNICATIONS ON THE PROGRESS OF THIS PLAN. WE DON'T HAVE WE HAVE DEVELOPERS THAT LIST WE HAVE YOU KNOW PUBLIC AND PRIVATE BODIES THAT COUNSEL I MEAN THAT'S XCEL ENERGY BUT THEN WE HAVE A GOV WE HAVE THE BIG PLAYERS THAT ARE IN THAT ARE CHURNING DIRT IN SOUTH LOOP.  WE HAVEN'T REACHED OUT TO EMPLOYER SPECIFICALLY I DON'T SEE WHY THAT WHY WE COULDN'T THAT COMMENTING ON THEIR THEIR WORK FROM HOME POLICY OR BACK TO OFFICE POLICY WE COULD CERTAINLY ASK ABOUT THAT AND THEN REPORT BACK TO YOU TO SEE WHAT KIND OF RESPONSES WE GOT IF THEY'RE FORTHCOMING BUT.  YEAH OTHER THAN THAT WE HAVEN'T WE HAVEN'T MADE THOSE THOSE EFFORTS REACH OUT TO THOSE BIG EMPLOYERS BUT WE CAN WE CAN CERTAINLY DISCUSS THAT AS A PROJECT TEAM TOO FOR SOMETHING TO LOOK INTO AS WE CHECK BACK AT THE SECOND STUDY SESSION MEETINGS IN DECEMBER.  YEAH, I MEAN I THINK THE SIMILAR THING IS HAPPENING DOWNTOWN MINNEAPOLIS IN DOWNTOWN SAINT PAUL IS JUST JUST YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TRYING TO ENCOURAGE COMPANIES TO BRING THEIR EMPLOYEES BACK TO WORK. NOW CAN THEY MANDATE I DON'T THINK THAT THEY CAN DO THAT BUT.  CAN THEY ENCOURAGE? THEY SURE CAN. YOU KNOW, IN A PLACE LIKE DOWNTOWN MINNEAPOLIS WHERE YOU HAVE ALL OF THE BUILDINGS INFRASTRUCTURE AND YOU STILL HAVE EMPTY RESTAURANT SPACE AND EMPTY RETAIL, IT'S NOT REALLY A GREAT SIGN FOR THIS AREA EITHER.  HOWEVER, I DO THINK THAT KNOW AS MORE PEOPLE COME BACK TO WORK AND AS EMPLOYERS AND EMPLOYEES WANT TO ENGAGE MORE WITH COMMUNITY IN PERSON THINGS THERE'S THERE IS POSSIBILITY AROUND AT LEAST TEMPORARY IMPROVEMENTS AND TEMPORARY TRIAL THINGS WOULD ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO HANG OUT IN THAT AREA IN MICHELE OR CHERYL BURKE IF I MAY. YEAH SO THE PORT AUTHORITY WILL ALSO BE DOING AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND THERE MAY BE SOMETHING WITHIN THAT PLAN SPEAKS TO SOUTH LOOP IN SOME OF THESE ECONOMIC RETAIL CHALLENGES THAT IT PRESENTS AND IF THERE'S WAYS TO SPUR THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT OR ATMOSPHERE THAT COMES FROM THAT DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU'RE THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. SO I WOULD ALSO JUST BRING THAT UP OR REMIND THE, YOU KNOW, THERE WILL BE AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN FORTHCOMING.  IT WILL PROBABLY BE AFTER THIS THIS UPDATE TO THE DISTRICT PLAN BUT NONETHELESS JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP AND HAVE YOU AND LET THAT KNOW LET THAT KNOWN THAT THAT IS FORTHCOMING AS WELL GREAT COMMISSIONER COOKED.  THANK YOU. ONE OTHER PIECE I'D LIKE TO TOUCH ON BRIEFLY AND IT MAYBE IS TELLING THAT WE'VE GONE THIS WHOLE TIME AND TALKED ABOUT IT BUT ONE OF THE MOST IF NOT THE MOST UNIQUE ASSET THIS ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THAT WE HAVE LIGHT RAIL GOING THROUGH IT. IS THIS GOING TO LOOK AT THAT AT ALL? OBVIOUSLY THE LIGHT RAIL HAS HAD SIGNIFICANT PROBLEMS 2020 . HOPEFULLY IT'S GETTING BETTER. MAYBE MAYBE NOT.  IS THIS PLAN GOING TO LOOK AT THAT AT ALL?  CHERYL BURKE COMMISSIONER COOK THEN YES IT WILL BE LOOKING THAT WILL BE UPDATING. THE IMPROVEMENTS HAD BEEN MADE SINCE 2012. UH I'M NOT SURE IF THERE WERE RIDERSHIP NUMBERS PRESENTED IN THE PLAN BUT NONETHELESS THAT SORT OF DATA WILL BE RELEVANT AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRANSIT IT AS AN AMENITY AND ALSO AN ASSET TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THE DISTRICT. SORRY AND WE'LL BE RECOUNTING OR WILL BE DESCRIBING ALSO THE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE LIGHT RAIL STOP AT THE MALL OF AMERICA AND JUST AND UH I DON'T KNOW. I'M TRYING TO THINK IF I SHOULD BE MENTIONING JULIE OR SHE ATTENDING STILL SHE'S NOT HERE.  SHE IS THIS LONG. OH, THERE ARE.  DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD ABOUT HOW LIGHT RAIL MAY BE APPROACHED IN THIS UPDATE?  UM I DO NOT HAVE ANY DATA AT MY I KNOW LIGHT RAIL HAS BEEN MAKING SOME IMPROVEMENTS ON THE RAIL AND I KNOW THEY'VE ALSO BEEN EMPHASIZING SAFETY.  THEY DON'T HAVE ANY DATA READILY AVAILABLE AND SO THE LIGHT RAIL DOES YOU KNOW IT IT IT'S AN ASSET TO DEVELOPMENT BUT I THINK IT'S WIDELY UNDERSTOOD THAT IT ALSO PREVENTS OR PRESENTS CHALLENGES AS IT'S RUN THROUGH THE SOUTH LOOP AND SO AGAIN JULIE, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M BEING TOO FORWARD BUT THE THE 82ND STREET I KNOW THAT THERE WAS TALK ABOUT GLENN TELL ME IF I SHOULD SHUT UP ABOUT THIS OR NOT ABOUT RUNNING LIGHT RAIL OR YOU KNOW, THE PROSPECT OF RUNNING LIGHTING RUNNING LIGHT RAIL THROUGH 82ND TO THEN MAKE THE ADJACENT LANDS MORE HOSPITABLE DEVELOPMENT.  I KNOW THAT'S BEEN AN IMPEDIMENT TO TO DEVELOPING THAT SITE BUT IF PLANNING MANAGER MIKE AAGAARD OR JULIE IF YOU WANT TO ADD ON TO THAT OR TELL ME TO NOT TALK ABOUT IT ANYMORE IF IT'S TO NOT NO THAT'S FINE. CHAIR PLANNER RAMBLER OLSON I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE EARLIER QUESTION WHAT PLANNER RAMBLER OLSON IS TALKING IS WHEN THE RIVERVIEW STUDY WAS ACTIVE ONE OF THE ALTERNATIVES THEY WERE LOOKING FOR OR LOOKING WAS TURNING THE LIGHT RAIL AND STREETCAR TRACK DOWN 82ND STREET AND DOING A STATION ACROSS 24TH AVENUE AND THAT OPENED UP A NUMBER OF THE OTHER SIDES OF WINSTEAD WAY AND THE OLD TRACK ROAD WHERE THE EXISTING BLUE LINE RUNS.  SO IT WOULD BE MORE FEASIBLE TO MAKE THOSE SMALLER, WALKABLE OR BLOCKS EXCUSE ME.  NOW WE'VE SEEING RAMSEY COUNTY HAS PULLED THE PLUG ON THE CURRENT RIVER VIEW STUDY SO WE HAVE SHARED AND PLANNING MANAGER MARKEGARD INCLUDED THIS IN A LETTER BACK TO MET COUNCIL THAT THE CITY WOULD STILL LIKE TO SEE BUS RAPID TRANSIT DOWN THE RIVERVIEW CORRIDOR AND ARE DISCUSSING INTERNALLY IF THERE IS A MECHANISM WHERE WE COULD SOMEHOW LEAD A LIGHT RAIL TRACK ALL ALONG 82ND STREET SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE COME UP ON THAT IS IT DOESN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF SUPPORT FROM THAT TRANSIT GIVEN OUR SNOWY CONDITIONS IN THE WINTER THEY DO NOT LIKE GOING UP OF A FLOOR LEVEL LET'S CALL IT IN THE WINTER AND THEY HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH THAT.  AND THE OTHER THING IS THE FTA FUNDING THAT USED TO INSTALL THE LIGHT RAIL TRACKS IN THE BEGINNING OR DEPENDING ON HOW LONG YOU USE FEDERAL MONEY SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO PAY BACK A PORTION OF THAT AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE FINANCIAL IMPACTS OF SUCH A CHOICE WOULD BE MADE. SO THESE ARE LONG TERM VISIONS THINGS STAFF IS STILL EXPLORING .  COMMISSIONER CURRIE THANK YOU CHAIR MORE MORE THOUGHT IF YOU DO WANT A CITY TO LOOK AT AS A COMPARISON I WOULD TAKE A LOOK . RESTON VIRGINIA CITY I TRAVEL TO FREQUENTLY AND HAS BASICALLY THEIR RESTON TOWN CENTER BASICALLY BEEN COMPLETELY REDEVELOPED IN THE LAST I DON'T KNOW 15 YEARS PROBABLY JUST THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB OF GETTING RETAIL THERE AND I DON'T KNOW THE ORGANIZATION, THE LAYOUT, THE WHOLE AREA I THINK HAS PROMOTED A PRETTY HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT SO MAYBE WORTH TAKING A LOOK AT.  ANY OTHER THOUGHTS ,  COMMISSIONER HIGDON? JUST A FINAL THOUGHT. I'M GLAD WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS IS PARTICULARLY WITHOUT THE ALL THE OUTSTANDING THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON PARTICULARLY WITH REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING AND STUFF I MEAN THAT ALONE IS LIKE EIGHT DEVELOPMENTS IF IF WE DO AWAY WITH REMOTE AIRPORT PARKING AND SO I'M GLAD WE'RE NOT HOLDING ON THIS AND WE SHOULDN'T BE SCARED TO DO IT AND THEN MAYBE WE MAKE MODIFICATIONS LIKE NOT SUCH A BAD THING AND I'M GLAD WE'RE NOT GOING TO WAIT ANY LONGER THAN 12 YEARS. I THINK IT'S BEEN LONG ENOUGH AND THIS IS A WORTHY EFFORT FOR THIS NEIGHBORHOOD.  ALL RIGHT, PLANNER MEMORIAL CENTER, IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR IN A CHAIR? ALBRECHT THAT WAS GREAT. BUT LIKE THE DISCUSSION AND YEAH, THAT'S PLENTY FOR ME TO WORK WITH GREAT.  THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.  ITEM FOUR ON OUR AGENDA IS ALSO A STUDY ITEM.  IT IS CONSIDERING APPROVAL OF THE AUGUST 28TH 29TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SYNOPSIS AND I BELIEVE ALL WERE PRESENT EXCEPT COMMISSIONER MCGOVERN LOOKING FOR A MOTION ON THAT I MAKE A MOTION APPROVE THE DRAFT 829 PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SYNOPSIS SECOND WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSED ABSTAIN ABSTAINED THAT MOTION PASSES 4 TO 1 ABSTAINING. ALL RIGHT OUR LAST ITEM FOR THIS EVENING IS ITEM FIVE AS A STUDY ITEM IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION POLICY ISSUES UPDATE PLANNING MANAGER MARK NYGAARD YOU HAVE THE UPDATE CHAIR ALL RIGHT COMMISSIONERS.  WE HAVE A LATE AGENDA COMING UP SORRY. LET ME START OVER CHAIR ALBRECHT AND COMMISSIONERS WE HAVE A LATE AGENDA COMING UP ON OCTOBER 24TH IN TWO WEEKS JUST ONE ITEM ON THE AGENDA A STUDY ITEM REGARDING AND PLANNING STANDARDS REVIEW AND TWO WEEKS AFTER THAT ANOTHER AGENDA WITH JUST TWO STUDY ITEMS ON IT SO FAR ONE ON OUR COMBINED TENURE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS PROGRAM REVIEW AND THEN THE STUDY ITEM REGARDING MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE UPCOMING.  GREAT THANK YOU.  I HAD A QUESTION I KNOW THERE'S THERE'S BEEN TIMES WHERE THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS MET WITH THE OR TO A JOINT MEETING WHEN IT COMES TO HOUSING AND I KNOW WE HAVE A STUDY SESSION ON MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING IS THAT PART OF ANOTHER STUDY SESSION OR ARE WE LOOKING AT DOING THAT THIS YEAR? YEAH CHAIR ALBRECHT WE CAN CERTAINLY LOOK INTO THAT IN TERMS OF THE AVAILABILITY AND THAT EVENING MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING CERTAINLY A TOPIC THAT WE WILL BE GETTING HRA FEEDBACK ON SO THAT MAKES SENSE TO COMBINE THE TWO GROUPS TOGETHER TO HEAR EACH OTHER'S IDEAS WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT GREAT ANY OTHER ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION KENOSHA CORY FEATURE YEAH SO I JUST HAVE A QUESTION SO YOU KNOW EARLIER THIS YEAR WE REVIEWED THE FOOTBALL STADIUM PROPOSAL EASELS AND THEN JEFFERSON AND KENNEDY AND THEN SHORTLY AFTER SO I THINK IT WAS LIKE A SAFETY STUDY FOR 102ND AVENUE OR REVIEW OF 102ND AVENUE IN GENERAL AND DISCUSSING LIKE THE CITY IDENTIFIED THAT 102ND ART IS IN THE 50TH PERCENTILE OF SAFETY IN HENNEPIN COUNTY SO YOU KNOW I DON'T KNOW THE TIME I THOUGHT THAT'S LIKE OKAY 50TH PERCENTILE THAT OKAY BUT AFTER THE FACT THINKING ABOUT THAT YOU KNOW AS A SCHOOL AREA THAT'S PRETTY LOW AND THEN WE WERE APPROVING A FOOTBALL STADIUM SHORTLY THAT SO I GUESS I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THAT SEEMS LIKE MATERIAL INFORMATION TO ME I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY THAT INFORMATION WAS NOT IN THE PACKET  PLANO MANAGER BURKHART YEAH. ALL ALBRECHT LET ME CALL UPON CITY ENGINEER LONG IF IF YOU HAVE ANY FEEDBACK ON THAT THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE SPECIFIC FEEDBACK ON THE LEAVE THE STADIUM SCOPE WAS FAIRLY NARROW. WE HAVE BEEN DIRECTED COUNCIL TO LOOK AT IMPLEMENTING SCHOOL SPEED ZONES ON 102ND. WE'RE ALSO TRYING LOOK FORWARD AND DO A STUDY IN AN UPCOMING YEAR BUT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE FUNDING. I DO HAVE SOME NEWS FOR YOU.  WE THE CITY HAS RECEIVED WHAT'S CALLED A SAFE STREETS FOR ALL GRANT AND WE ARE GOING TO BE PUTTING A CITYWIDE SAFETY PLAN FOR OUR ROADWAY SYSTEM AND I KNOW IT WILL INCLUDE 102ND BECAUSE WE DO GET A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM THAT.  AND IN ADDITION HENNEPIN COUNTY HAS ALSO RECEIVED THAT SAFE STREETS FOR ALL SYSTEM GRANT AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING THE PLANNING ON THEIR ROADS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO JEFFERSON ON LIKE FRANCE AVENUE.  OKAY THANK YOU. YEAH. I MEAN I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY THOUGHTS ON IT JUST SEEMED AFTER THE FACT IT FRUSTRATING THAT YOU KNOW WE VOTE ON THIS BIG YOU KNOW THERE'S THIS ROOM IS LIKE FILLED WITH PEOPLE RIGHT PEOPLE ON BOTH OF IT AND LIKE WITHIN A MONTH OR TWO WE GET A STUDY THAT SHOWS THAT THAT ROAD IS LIKE NOT GREAT FOR A SCHOOL AREA IN GENERAL AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO PUT A FOOTBALL STADIUM, A BRAND NEW FOOTBALL STADIUM THERE LIKE HALF A MILE AWAY WHEN PEOPLE ARE ALREADY COMPLAINING ABOUT KIDS DRIVING OVER THEIR DRIVEWAYS AND SIDEWALKS AND ALL THAT SORT OF THING. SO I MEAN DOES ANYBODY ELSE RECOGNIZE THE IT'S IS THE TIMING OF THAT JUST I DON'T KNOW WHATEVER KIND OF IS WHAT IT IS. SO COMMISSIONER OGDEN THEY DON'T DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU ONE BIT. I THINK IF THERE'S ONE THING I COULD ADD IS THAT THE CITY IS AT THE MERCY OF THE APPLICANTS APPLICATIONS COME BEFORE US AND SO THEY COULDN'T DELAY THAT ONE THEY HAVE WE HAVE AN AGENCY ACTION DEADLINE AS YOU'RE AWARE OF . WE HAVE TAKE ACTION WHEN AN APPLICATION COMES IN . SO PERHAPS THAT SOME FORM OF AN EXPLANATION YEAH AND THAT'S JUST I MEAN I JUST THINK WAS THAT INFORMATION KNOWN BEFORE THE MEETING OR WAS IT JUST KIND OF SOMEBODY THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND IT'S LIKE OH THIS MAYBE THIS DOESN'T MATTER OR WAS IT JUST COMPLETELY ADMITTED AND LIKE HEY LET'S AVOID THIS INFORMATION?  I DON'T KNOW. IT JUST YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WHATEVER I'M TRUSTING IF I MAY ADD, I BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS PART OF OUR DISCUSSION AT BOTH PUBLIC HEARINGS AROUND SAFETY AND PARTICULARLY 102ND AND I BELIEVE JULIE LONG PROVIDED SOME ADDITIONAL DETAIL. I DON'T KNOW IF FIGURE WAS PROVIDED SPECIFICALLY BUT I KNOW THAT DISCUSSIONS AROUND SAFETY WERE WERE HAD THOSE MEETINGS AND I KNOW ONE ONE QUESTION THAT WE HAD WAS ARE THERE ARE IS THERE PLANS FOR LOOKING INTO SCHOOL SAFETY AND I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT 102ND AND THE PLANS THERE AS WELL AS OLD CHUCK P AND THE THE CROSSING THERE ACROSS FROM THE THE KENNEDY STADIUM SO KNOW AND I DON'T KNOW JULIE LONG IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL BUT THAT WAS MY RECOLLECTION OF THAT SPECIFICALLY CHAIR COMMISSION WE ARE NOT AVOIDING 110 SECONDS AS AN ISSUE. WE'RE WELL AWARE OF THE ISSUE. WE'RE KIND OF BITING IT OFF IN SMALL PIECES.  IN 2023 WE HAD A DRIVEWAY IMPROVEMENT PROJECT AS PART OF A SAFE FOR SCHOOL GRANT IN 2024 WE'RE DOING THE SPEED LIMIT SPEED SCHOOL ZONES THAT WILL BE IMPLEMENTED HOPEFULLY AFTER I MEAN A WEEKEND AS FAR AS CROSSING ON OLD TRACK ABBEY ROAD TO KENNEDY WHERE WE'RE UNFORTUNATELY SUBJECTS TO A SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUE AND THE ACTUAL POLLS FOR RAPID RI RAPID FLASHING BEACON SYSTEM ARE DELAYED SO THAT WILL NOT BE GETTING INSTALLED AS TIMELY AS WE HAD HOPED BUT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT SAFETY ON ALL OF OUR ROADS AND MAKE THEM BETTER.  GREAT. THANK YOU.  COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM. I JUST WANT TO ADD WAS MY FIRST MEETING WHEN WE WENT OVER THE 102ND TRAFFIC STUDY. SO I REMEMBER IT REASONABLY WELL. WE'LL SEE HOW WELL I REMEMBER HAVING THAT REREAD THE MINUTES BUT I THINK DURING THAT ON 102ND WE TALKED ABOUT THE HEY THE STADIUMS JUST GOT APPROVED. YOU KNOW IS THIS GOING TO HAVE A MAJOR IMPACT ON TRAFFIC AND ? I I DON'T RECALL I THINK IT WAS CITY STAFF PRESENTING A REPORT FROM BOLTON MENKE MAYBE AGAIN HAVEN'T READ THE MINUTES BUT THEY HAD SAID THAT THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY HAD HAD MODELED AT SOME POINT IF I RECALL CORRECTLY AND THEY HAD SAID THAT THE PEAK TRAFFIC WAS STILL DISMISSAL AT SCHOOL EVEN WITH THE STADIUM FOR MORE PARKING WOULD BE ALLOCATED TO A REGULAR SCHOOL DAY VERSUS THE STADIUM COMING OUT SO THEY SHARED OUR CONCERN WITH IT BEING 50TH PERCENTILE STREET. I THINK COMMISSIONER ITO BROUGHT SOMETHING UP ALONG THOSE LINES BUT I REMEMBER IT BEING DISCUSSED AT LEAST BUT YES I AGREE WITH YOU MR. CURRY THAT TIMING IS IS NOT IDEAL IF ANY OTHER ISSUES UPDATES  ALL RIGHT THAT CONCLUDES OCTOBER 10TH, 2024 MEETING OF THE BLOOMINGTON PLAN.  THANK YOU. CAN I