##VIDEO ID:lrEBcZc2GIM## THE OCTOBER 3RD, 2023 2024 MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS MADE UP OF SEVEN MEMBERS. WE HAVE SIX THIS EVENING. EACH MEMBER VOLUNTEERS THEIR TIME AND IS A BLOOMINGTON RESIDENT. MEMBERS ARE APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS ADVISORY TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR MOST ITEMS THE COMMISSION MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE CITY COUNCIL HAS THE FINAL DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY. WE HAVE ONE OF THOSE ITEMS THIS EVENING. THERE ARE CERTAIN APPLICATIONS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAN APPROVE OR DENY ON ITS OWN SUBJECT TO THE RIGHT TO APPEAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL. AND WE HAVE ONE OF THOSE AS WELL.  FOR EACH ITEM THERE WILL BE A STAFF REPORT THEN A CHANCE FOR THE APPLICANT TO PRESENT THEN A CHANCE FOR ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY AND THEN THE COMMISSION WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND DISCUSS THE ITEM BEFORE THE ACTION IS TAKEN. OUR FIRST BUSINESS TONIGHT IS THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. PLEASE STAND IF YOU'RE ABLE TO PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.  ALL RIGHT. WE WILL START WITH ITEM ONE FOR ITEM ONE. IT IS CONTINUED FROM OUR SEPTEMBER 19TH MEETING AND SO THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN BUT WE WILL STILL HAVE TIME TO KEEP THAT OPEN AND HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. SO PLAYER CRUEL IN LOVE FOR YOU THE STAFF REPORT PERFECT. ALL RIGHT.  SO IF I CAN GET THIS UP. OKAY, GREAT. GOOD EVENING, PLANNING COMMISSION AND SO THE FIRST ITEM TONIGHT RELATES TO THE PARCELS AT 85, 25 AND 85, 45% OF SOUTH THE SITES CURRENTLY ZONED ARE THREE AND IN A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT OVERLAY AND THE CAMP COMPREHENSIVE PLAN GUIDANCE IS ON MODERATE DENSITY RESIDENTIAL.  THE SITE ITSELF IS JUST UNDER TWO ACRES AND THEN THE REQUEST TONIGHT AS A TYPE THREE PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLAT TO COMBINE THOSE LOTS 215 TOWNHOME LOTS AND THEN ONE COMMON LOTS.  SO AS YOU MIGHT HAVE SAW IN THE STAFF REPORT THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY WITH THIS PROJECT AND SITE AND SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE CONTEXT PARTICULARLY FOR COMMISSION MEMBERS THAT MAYBE WEREN'T ON THE COMMISSION BACK IN 2020 AND THEN FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC JUST TO KIND OF HELP SET SOME CONTEXT. SO IN OCTOBER OF 2020 THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT A REZONING APPLICATION,  PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLAT AND THEN A PRELIMINARY AND FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR A 15 UNIT TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT.  AND THEN IN MAY OF 2021 AND THE APPLICANT HAD APPLIED FOR A CHANGE OF CONDITION THAT WAS RELATED TO ACCESS REQUIREMENTS ON PENN AVE AND THAT IS A COUNTY ROADWAY THAT SO HENNEPIN COUNTY HAD REQUIRED EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS ONLY VERSE AS A KIND OF RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT ACCESS AS WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED AND THE CITY COUNCIL HAD DENIED THAT CHANGE IN CONDITION APPLICATION AND THEN THE APPLICANT SUBSEQUENTLY APPEALED THAT DENIAL TO THE SECOND JUDICIAL DISTRICT COURT THAT SO THEN AFTER KIND OF IT PLAYED OUT IN THE COURTS THE CITY COUNCIL THEN DID ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING THAT REQUEST TO CHANGE RELATED TO ACCESS IN AUGUST OF 2020 TO AND SO DURING THAT TIME BUILDING AND KIND OF MOVING FORWARD IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS WAS STALLED AS IT PLAYED OUT IN THE COURTS. AND SO THE KIND OF TWO YEAR APPROVAL PERIOD THAT WE GRANT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS WAS KIND OF STALLED AND THEN  KIND OF REESTABLISHED THERE IN AUGUST OF 2022. SO WOULD HAVE BEEN GOOD THROUGH AUGUST OF 2024 AND THAT HAS ALSO SINCE BEEN EXTENDED ONE YEAR NOW INTO AUGUST 8TH OF 2025 AND SO WHY ARE WE HERE TONIGHT OR WHY ARE YOU SEEING A PLAT AGAIN SO THE AS THE APPLICANT I GUESS I SHOULD ALSO MENTION FOR FOLKS THAT MAYBE HAVE LIVED NEAR THE SITE OR HAVE DRIVEN BY THE SITE YOU'LL NOTICE THAT A LOT OF GRADING AND TREE REMOVAL WORK HAS ALREADY STARTED ON THE SITE AND THAT'S BEEN CONSISTENT WITH APPROVED GRADING PLAN FROM THE CITY AND DOES CONTINUE TO BE MONITORED BY WATER RESOURCES AND BUILDING INSPECTION STAFF.  I'M KIND OF LOOKING AT EROSION CONTROL AND SOIL STABILIZATION ON THAT SITE UNTIL BUILDINGS WOULD BE THERE.  AND SO WITH THAT AS THEY'RE CONTINUING TO MOVE FORWARD THROUGH THE REMAINING ELEMENTS OF THEIR DEVELOPMENT, THEY HAVE NOW CHANGED THE INITIAL FLOOR PLAN LAYOUTS FOR THE TOWNHOME UNITS AND WITH THE CHANGE IN FLOOR PLAN IT DID ADJUST THE PROPERTY LINES FOR THOSE INDIVIDUAL TOWNHOME LOTS SLIGHTLY AND MEAN SO DOES REQUIRE A NEW PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLAT AND SO THIS IS JUST TO SHOW A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON AND OF THE PRELIMINARY PLAT THAT WAS APPROVED IN 2022 AND THE PLAT THAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU HERE TONIGHT SO AGAIN THEY'RE NOT CHANGING THE NUMBER OF UNITS IF YOU KIND OF LOOK AT IT FROM THIS LEVEL IT DOESN'T REALLY LOOK ALL THAT DIFFERENT AND THAT'S IT'S REALLY BECAUSE THE INDIVIDUAL TOWNHOME LOTS HAVE JUST SHIFTED SLIGHTLY. SO I BELIEVE THE LOTS ARE LIKE THREE FEET LONGER THAN THEY WERE IN 2022 AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THE KIND OF CHANGE IN ACCESS THAT WAS SHOWN THAT RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT ACCESS ON PENN AVE IS NOW JUST AN EMERGENCY VEHICLE ONLY ACCESS ON PENN AV. SO JUST WANTED TO KIND OF PROVIDE THAT THAT COMPARISON AND KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT THERE'S ALSO AN ASSOCIATED MINOR REVISION TO FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLANS FOR THE CHANGE IN FLOORPLANS THAT IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE KIND OF APPLICATION REVIEW AND APPROVAL I'VE BEEN SO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT IS JUST THE PLAT SO JUST AS A REMINDER OR JUST AS ANOTHER REFERENCE IN OUR KIND OF PERIOD PYRAMID OF DISCRETION THERE'S A LOT OF KIND OF RELATED ITEMS AND HISTORY TO THIS PROJECT BUT WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TONIGHT IS JUST THE PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLAT AND KIND OF ON THAT LEVEL OF DISCRETION IT IS ON THE LOWER END OF DISCRETION WHEN REVIEWING KIND OF MAINLY FOR DOES IT NEED CODE REQUIREMENTS AND DOES IT MEET THE FINDINGS FOR THE PLAT I'M LOOKING AT THE PRELIMINARY PLAT AND A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL AGAIN IT EXCEEDS OUR MINIMUM SITE AREA REQUIREMENTS AS WELL AS OUR MINIMUM SITE WITH LOOKING AT IMPERVIOUS SURFACE COVERAGE AND WE WOULD ALLOW A MAXIMUM OF 80% IN THIS PROPOSAL IS AT ABOUT 63%. I'M LOOKING AT UNITS PER ACRE IN THE R THREE ZONING DISTRICT. WE WOULD ALLOW UP TO EIGHT UNITS PER ACRE IN THIS PROJECT IS AT EIGHT UNITS PER ACRE AND IN THE MODERATE DENSITY RESIDENTIAL GUIDANCE WE ALLOW BETWEEN FIVE AND 15 UNITS PER ACRE. SO THIS PROPOSAL IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT.  SO JUST KIND OF GIVING A LITTLE OVERVIEW THAT IMAGE ON THE RIGHT IS JUST GOING TO HELP SHOW THERE'S A LOT OF LINES ON THE PLAT I WOULD SAY YOU KIND OF HAVE THE LINES FOR THE INDIVIDUAL TOWNHOME LOTS THEMSELVES AND THEN THIS IS SHOWING THE OUTLINES OF THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES TO TO KIND OF SHOW SOME OF THOSE SITE PLAN COMPONENTS SO YOU SEE FULL ACCESS TO THE SITE OFF OF WEST 86TH STREET. SO THAT'S KIND OF ON THE SOUTH END OF THE SITE SOME ADDITIONAL GAS PARKING STALLS AND THEN THE EMERGENCY VEHICLE ONLY ACCESS ON PAN AVE KIND OF IN THE NORTH WEST CORNER OF THE SITE THERE'S A FOUR UNIT, FIVE UNIT AND A SIX UNIT TOWNHOME BUILDING FOR THE TOTAL OF 15 LOTS. AND THEN ON THE ONE COMMON LOT THAT WOULD BE OWNED AND MAINTAINED BY A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND AND THIS IS A PRETTY STANDARD PLANNING APPROACH FOR A TOWNHOME DEVELOPMENT NOT TO GET TOO INTO THE WEEDS OR MAKE IT MORE COMPLICATED BUT BECAUSE THIS PLAT IS ADJACENT TO A COUNTY ROADWAY HENNEPIN COUNTY DOES ALSO REVIEW IT AND PROVIDE COMMENTS AND THEY HAD NOTED THAT PENN AVENUE DOES REQUIRE 40 FEET OF RIGHT OF WAY AND THE PLOT THAT YOU SAW IN THE STAFF REPORT SHOWED 33 FEET AND THIS WAS COMMUNICATED TO THE APPLICANT AND I JUST RECEIVED THE UPDATED PLAT THIS MORNING SHOWING THAT 40 FEET SO I JUST WANT TO HAVE IT HERE ON THE SLIDE BECAUSE IT WASN'T IN YOUR PACKET AND SO REALLY THE CHANGE IS THAT RIGHT OF WAY ALONG PAN OUT INSTEAD OF 33 FEET IS NOW 40 FEET AND WILL HAVE A TEN FOOT BIKEWAY AND WALKWAY EASEMENT AND THEN THE BUILDINGS THEMSELVES WILL BE 20 FEET FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY LINE WHICH IS WHAT WAS APPROVED IN THE PRELIMINARY AND FINAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THIS SITE.  HERE'S JUST AN IMAGE OF THE FINAL PLAT THAT HELPS CLEAN IT UP A LITTLE BIT LITTLE LESS LINES FOR YOU AGAIN SHOWING THOSE 15 TOWNHOME LOTS AND THE ONE COMMON LOT AND THEN AGAIN THE FINAL PLAT AS WAS SUBMITTED IN THE PACKET SHOWING THAT 33 FEET TO THE FINAL PLAT THAT ADDRESSES HENNEPIN COUNTY'S CONCERN WHICH WOULD BE THEN RECORDED AGAIN.  SO SHOWING THAT 40 FEET INSTEAD OF 33 FEET WE DID SEE RECEIVED TWO WRITTEN TESTIMONIES OR CORRESPONDENCE ONE WAS RECEIVED BEFORE THE AGENDA WAS PUBLISHED IT WAS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET AND THEN ONE OF THOSE WAS RECEIVED AFTER THE AGENDA WAS PUBLISHED SO IT WAS EMAILED TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN WE ALSO PRINTED A COPY HERE. SO YOU HAVE THAT FOR REFERENCE TONIGHT.  AND SO I THINK WITH THAT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLAT AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND THEN I BELIEVE WE HAVE THE APPLICANT ONLINE AS WELL SO THANK YOU.  ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF?  YES, COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM THANK YOU. CHAIR PLANNER CREW.  WELL CAN YOU WALK US THROUGH WHAT THE ZONING REQUIREMENTS OF THE EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS DRIVE WOULD BE? MY CONCERN IS THAT RESIDENTS WOULD USE IT EVEN THOUGH IT'S JUST FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES AS A GREAT WAY TO HEAD NORTHBOUND ON PEN.  OH YEAH.  CHAIR ALBRECHT. COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM I GUESS I'M NOT AWARE OF OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD THE DIMENSIONAL REQUIREMENTS NEEDED FOR THE EMERGENCY VEHICLE ACCESS I KNOW THAT IT IS REQUIRED TO BE SIGNED AND THEN IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE ON HERE BUT I THINK THE INTENT WAS THE THE DRIVEWAY AS YOU CAN SEE IS ALSO LIKE KIND OF ANGLED AND SO IS TRYING TO I THINK HELP AVOID MAKING IT NOT SO OBVIOUS THAT THERE IS A KIND OF DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE THERE BUT THEN IT WILL BE A SIGN TO SAY THAT IT'S ONLY FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES THE APPLICANT MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT AS WELL.  THANK YOU. MM HMM. HEY, OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER COOKTOWN. THANKS, MADAM CHAIR. MR. CROWELL GOING FROM 40 FEET RIGHT OF WAY TO 33 FEET. THAT DOES NOT AFFECT THE PLACEMENT OF THE TOWNHOMES, CORRECT? IT'S JUST A LINE ON A DRAWING BASICALLY.  YEP. CHAIR ULBRICH COMMISSIONER COOKTOWN THAT IS CORRECT. SO YEAH YOU CAN SEE ON THE THE PLANT WHERE IT SHOWED THE 33 FEET THEY SHOW A BUILDING SETBACK OF 27 FEET AND SO WHEN YOU THEN MAKE THAT 40 FEET THE SETBACK BECOMES 20 AND THEN THEY ARE ALLOWED A 20 FOOT SETBACK FOR THAT. SO IT IS INCOMPLETE SINCE.  COMMISSIONER WHITE, THANK YOU . JUST LOOKING AT THE I'M I'M NEW TO THE COMMISSION SO I HAVEN'T I HAVEN'T BEEN PART OF THE DISCUSSIONS PREVIOUSLY. SO IT'S JUST MORE OF A POINT OF CURIOSITY ABOUT PARKING ON THE SITE.  ARE THERE PARKING IS THERE PARKING WITH EACH TOWNHOME AND THEN THE SIX GUEST SPOTS THAT I SEE? I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT THE THE ALLOWED WHAT THE PARKING PROVISIONS ARE. YEAH.  CHAIR ALBRECHT COMMISSIONER WHITE. YEAH. SO THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS DON'T RECALL THE TOP OF MY HEAD BUT I KNOW IT'S ACCOUNTED FOR EACH UNIT KIND OF HAS A TWO CAR GARAGE SO YOU'RE KIND OF ACCOUNTING FOR TWO SPACES ON EACH TOWNHOME LOT.  SO THAT'S 30 AND THEN BASED ON THE MINIMUM KIND OF OFF STREET PARKING. BELIEVE THERE'S AN ADDITIONAL SIX GAS STALLS TO GET TO THAT 36 SO I KNOW THAT 36 WAS THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT SO IT IS COMPLIANT BUT IT'S KIND OF ACCOUNTING FOR TWO TWO PARKING SPOTS ON EACH LOT AND THEN THOSE SIX KIND OF COMMON PARKING SPOTS. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER IZZO EASY. THANK YOU, CHAIR. DOES THE CITY HAVE ANY DATA ON THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON THE INTERSECTION OF . AND I KNOW THERE'S SOFTWARE WHERE YOU COULD SEE EACH ROAD LIKE 86 OR THAT INTERSECTION. YEAH. CHAIR ALBERT COMMISSIONER ISSA I AM NOT AWARE I MIGHT TURN SLIGHTLY TO ENGINEERING STAFF WRITER IF THEY HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THAT BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT INFORMATION.  THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER WHITE SORRY AGAIN IF YOU ALL HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE BUT I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THE INFILTRATION BASINS . I SEE ONE ON THE NORTHWEST SIDE BY PEN. I BELIEVE THAT BACKS UP TO SOME PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THEN I SEE ONE ON THE EAST NORTHEAST SIDE. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT HOW CLOSE THAT IS TOP OR PEN. I'M JUST CURIOUS IF YOU COULD JUST TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DESIGN OF THOSE.  ARE THEY BELOW GROUND OR ARE THEY? I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WHETHER THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF STANDING WATER OR IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF ISSUES WITH FLOODING OF THOSE. YEAH. CHAIR I'LL BREAK.  COMMISSIONER WHITE I BELIEVE THOSE ARE KIND OF MEANT TO BE UNDERGROUND OR AT ALL ALLOW KIND OF WATER FILTRATION. I IMMEDIATELY DON'T KNOW TOO MUCH ABOUT KIND OF SOME OF THAT DESIGNER. MORE ON THE ENGINEERING SIDE. SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME OTHER COLLEAGUES THAT COULD ADDRESS THAT OR THAT THE APPLICANT MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN I CAN. MM HMM.  ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. CROWELL.  I THINK WE WILL TURN NOW TO THE APPLICANT, MR. FURLONG.  WOULD YOU OR MAKE YOU A PANELIST HERE OR DO YOU LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM ?  GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. CAN YOU HEAR ME? WE SURE CAN. THANK YOU. FANTASTIC. I AM STEVE FURLONG, PRINCIPAL OF CITY HALL.  I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING IN PERSON THIS EVENING AND OUT OF TOWN. UNFORTUNATELY.  PLANNER ROLE EXCELLENT EXPLANATION OF WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING HERE AND I CAN GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE BRIEF BACKGROUND WHEN WE SET OUT TO DO THIS PROJECT IN 2019, OUR INTENT WAS TO LOOK FOR OWNERSHIP HOUSING UNITS THAT WERE AFFORDABLE TO 80% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME AND THEN OF COURSE IN 2020 CONSTRUCTION COSTS EXPLODED DURING THE EARLY STAGES OF THE PANDEMIC AND THEN WE WENT THROUGH QUITE A CYCLE OF INTEREST RATE CHANGES AND NOW TO DO AFFORDABILITY AT THAT LEVEL IT ABSOLUTELY HAS TO BE SUBSIDIZED. AND DURING THIS PROCESS WE DID APPLY FOR MINNESOTA HOUSING IMPACT BONDS AND UNFORTUNATELY WERE NOT AWARDED. WHICH BRINGS US TO TODAY AND THE REQUEST THAT WE'RE SUBMITTING WITH THIS PLAT APPLICATION TO SHIFT THE LINES SLIGHTLY AND THAT IS TO ACCOMMODATE ONE ASPECT OF WHAT WE SET OUT FOR INITIALLY AND THAT IS TO DELIVER OWNERSHIP SINGLE LEVEL LIVING UNITS TO THE MARKETPLACE WHICH ARE DESPERATELY NEEDED BUT THEY HAVE TO BE MARKET RATE NOW AND SO WE WENT THROUGH OUR ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN AND THIS PAST SPRING HAD A CONVERSATION WITH PLANNING ON WHAT WAS REQUIRED AND THE NEEDED FLOORPLAN SIZE AND THEN THE NEED TO ARTICULATE THE SPACING OF THE GARAGES REQUIRED US TO NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE SPACE TO MAKE IT ALL FIT AND DELIVER THAT COMMUNITY NEED FOR SINGLE LEVEL LIVING. SO THIS PLAT REVISION ESSENTIALLY THAT THAT'S ALREADY APPROVED AND THE CHANGES THAT WE'RE REQUESTING HERE ARE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN THAT WE HAVE NOW COMPLETED AND I AM VERY EXCITED TO SHOW ALL OF THOSE PLANS TO THE PUBLIC.  IT'S ABOUT READY. WE WANT TO FINISH THIS HOPEFULLY LAST LEG OF THE PROCESS AND THEN WE CAN GET TO THAT AND AND IDEALLY BE ABLE TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION VERY SOON.  THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU, MR. FURLONG. THERE WERE SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR MR. CROWELL ABOUT THAT. MAYBE YOU CAN SHED SOME LIGHT ON ABOUT THE EMERGENCY ACCESS. HOW THAT IS DONE AND YOUR TAKE ON THAT. AND THEN ALSO THOSE INFILTRATION LOCATIONS ON SITE. WOULD YOU MIND JUST TALKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THOSE TWO ITEMS?  CERTAINLY. I THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. SO THE EMERGENCY ACCESS DESIGN HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY OUR FIRE MARSHAL AND BY THE COUNTY AND APPROVED THE DESIGN THAT IS ON THIS PLAT APPLICATION IS THE SAME AS WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED SO IT MEETS ALL OF THE STANDARDS BUT I WANT TO HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THINGS. THERE WILL BE SIGNAGE INDICATED THAT THIS IS AN EMERGENCY EXIT ONLY. WE ARE GOING TO CHANGE THE DESIGN OF THE ROADWAY FROM THE MAIN THE MAIN DRIVE TO THAT. EMERGENCY ACCESS WILL HAVE A DIFFERENT SURFACING SO WILL CHANGE FROM ABOUT 2 MINUTES TO SOMETHING THAT WOULD ALSO INDICATE THAT YOU SHOULD NOT BE DRIVING THROUGH HERE AS I BELIEVE IT'S IN THE PLAN AND SITE PLAN IT SHOWS THAT THERE'S A SURMOUNTABLE CURB SITE CEREMONIAL CURB THERE. AND SO THE GOAL IS TO MAKE IT OBVIOUS THAT YOU SHOULD NOT BE EXITING THERE. IT'S AN EMERGENCY ACCESS. AND I'M ALSO EXPLORING THIS OPTION WITHIN OUR BYLAWS FOR THE ASSOCIATION THAT WE CAN PENALIZE THE UNIT OWNERS IF THEY USE THAT DRIVE.  SO I FEEL LIKE I FEEL LIKE WE'VE DONE AS MUCH AS WE CAN DO WITH THAT TO MAKE IT WITHIN WITHIN CODE REQUIREMENTS AND AND TO KEEP FOLKS FROM NOT USING THAT ACCESS. THE STORMWATER THERE IS A VERY DETAILED PLAN THAT HAS BEEN THOROUGHLY REVIEWED BY THE NINE MILE CREEK WATERSHED DISTRICT AND APPROVED. SO THEY HAVE GONE THROUGH ALL OF OUR PLANS FOR TREATING THE STORMWATER ONSITE.  THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE THE BASINS THEY ARE VEGETATED WALL BASINS THERE SHOULD NOT BE STANDING WATER IN THEM VERY OFTEN AT ALL. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE IN THE PLAN A SUBSURFACE INFILTRATION BASELINE WHICH IS WHERE THE WATER WILL BE MOVED TO BY GRAVITY AND THEN ALLOWED TO SLOWLY PERCOLATE INTO THE GROUND.  SO I MISS ANY QUESTIONS.  I THINK THAT WAS SORRY. I THINK THERE WAS ONE MORE WHICH I MISSED ACTUALLY ABOUT THE DESIGN FOR PARKING JUST THE NUMBER OF STALLS AVAILABLE IF YOU JUST CONFIRM THAT IT'S 36.  YES.  THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. SO AS I RECALL INDICATED EACH UNIT HAS TWO GARAGE PARKING SPACES AND TWO DRIVEWAY SPACES. SO THERE ARE ACTUALLY A TOTAL OF 60 PARKING SPACES FOR THE UNITS FOUR TIMES 1560 AND THEN THE ADDITIONAL SIX GAS SPACES. SO IN TOTAL THERE'S PARKING ONSITE FOR 66 VEHICLES. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU.  I'LL TURN TO COMMISSIONERS. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT GOING ONCE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. FURLONG.  THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE NOW THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN SO WE'RE GOING TO NOW TURN TO PUBLIC TESTIMONY.  WE WILL INVITE ANYONE WHO WANTS TO TESTIFY ON THIS ITEM TO COME UP , SIGN IN , LET US KNOW WHO YOU ARE, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND THEN MAKE YOUR REMARKS AT THIS TIME .  ALL RIGHT. SEE NONE MR. MARKER YARD IS THERE ANYONE ONLINE? TER ALBRECHT NO ONE ONLINE FOR THIS ITEM. OKAY, I'LL GIVE IT ONE MORE SECOND IN CASE ANYONE IS INTERESTED IN TESTIFYING.  ALL RIGHT. INCLUDE ASKING QUESTIONS DO WE GET TO ASK QUESTIONS WITH TESTIFYING OR JUST TESTIFYING MEAN YOU WANT TO LIKE MAKE A STATEMENT?  YES, THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING.  YES, ACTUALLY.  SO PUBLIC TESTIMONY IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT ABOUT THE PROJECT. HOWEVER, THE THE TIME AT WHICH THE QUESTIONS ARE ASKED WERE QUESTIONS BY THE COMMISSION FOR BOTH THE APPLICANT AND FOR THE CITY STAFF. IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS THAT ARE ASKED THAT WE FIND THAT ARE RISE TO THE LEVEL THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO ASK STAFF OR THE APPLICANT, WE CAN DO SO AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED .  ALL RIGHT. LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SO MOVED SECOND THERE IS A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSED THAT MOTION PASSES SIX ZERO. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE ON TO DISCUSSION BY THE COMMISSION. ANY THOUGHTS , COMMISSIONER OGDEN THANKS, MADAM CHAIR.  THIS IS I THINK THE THIRD OR FOURTH TIME YOU AND I HAVE SEEN THIS AND THE SCOPE HAS BEEN GETTING A LITTLE MORE NARROW AND NARROW EVERY TIME WE SEE IT. AND WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US TONIGHT IS A VERY NARROW SCOPE AND SO WE'RE NOT BEING ASKED TO DETERMINE WHETHER WE THINK THE FINAL SITE AND BUILDING PLANS ARE APPROPRIATE OR THE NUMBER OF UNITS IS SUFFICIENT OR TOO MUCH OR TOO LITTLE.  THAT'S REALLY NOT WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR THIS EVENING. IT'S ABOUT THIS PLANT AND AS MR. CROWELL DESCRIBED FOR US, WE HAVE VERY LITTLE DISCRETION WHEN IT COMES TO PLANTS AND HOW MUCH LATITUDE WE CAN TAKE ON AN APPLICATION LIKE THAT. AND THE WAY I SEE IT WE THE PLANT APPLICATION MEETS ALL OF THE REQUIRED FINDINGS AND HONESTLY IT'S ALMOST IDENTICAL TO WHAT WE'VE SEEN BEFORE.  I FELT LIKE I WAS LOOKING AT ONE OF THOSE HIGHLIGHT MAGAZINE PICTURES WHERE YOU GOING TO FIND THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE TWO? I COULD BARELY TELL AND SO TO ME THIS IS FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD AND HONESTLY I THINK IF WE RECOMMENDED DENIAL AND THE CITY COUNCIL DENIED THIS, I THINK WE'D BE RIGHT BACK IN COURT AND WE'D LOSE AGAIN AND THAT'S IN OUR WOULD BE IRRESPONSIBLE TO THE TAXPAYERS. SO I WILL BE APPROVING THIS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION.  HEY THERE COMMISSIONERS.  I WILL ADD MY $0.02 AS WELL. YES, COMMISSIONER OGDEN, WE HAVE SEEN THIS ITEM A HANDFUL OF TIMES AND HAD AT LENGTHY DISCUSSIONS, ONE OF WHICH WAS THAT EMERGENCY ACCESS I WAS HAPPY TO HEAR MR. FURLONG MENTIONED THAT THE MATERIAL WAS CHANGING BETWEEN THAT SO THAT FOLKS WERE DISCOURAGED TO USE THAT AS A REGULAR IN AND OUT. I DO FIND THAT HAVING THE ONE ACCESS IN IS ACTUALLY A SAFER PLAN THAN HAD ORIGINALLY BEEN PROPOSED OR HAD BEEN REQUIRED BY THE CITY SO I AM IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION. I AGREE WE HAVE VERY LITTLE DISCRETION AND I BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICATION MEETS ALL OF THE FINDINGS SO I WILL BE ALSO IN FAVOR OF APPROVING THIS ITEM.  THE DISCUSSION.  ALL RIGHT. LOOKING FOR A MOTION MR. COOK DID MADAM CHAIR IN CASE PEEL 2024-135 HAVING BEEN ABLE TO MAKE THE REQUIRED FINDINGS I MOVE TO RECOMMEND CITY COUNCIL ADOPT A RESOLUTION APPROVING A TYPE THREE PRELIMINARY AND FINAL PLAT TO SUBDIVIDE TWO LOTS INTO 15 TOWNHOME LOTS AND ONE COMMON LOT SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS AND CO TWO REQUIREMENTS ATTACHED TO THE STAFF REPORT. ALL RIGHT WE HAVE A MOTION DO WE HAVE A SECOND? SECOND ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION IN A SECOND FOR THE RECOMMENDATION ON THE SCREEN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I OPPOSED I THAT MOTION PASSES FIVE ONE ALL RIGHT. THAT ITEM WILL SHOW UP ON THE OCTOBER 14TH CONSENT AGENDA OF THE CITY COUNCIL.  THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, ITEM TWO OF OUR AGENDA ALSO HAS A PUBLIC HEARING AND I BELIEVE LIVE PLANNER CROWELL ALSO HAS THE STAFF REPORT. WELCOME. YEAH.  ALL RIGHT BACK FOR ONE MORE SO THAT ITEM ON THIS CASE IS RELATED TO THE PARCEL AT 9555 JAMES JAMES AV SOUTH THAT'S CURRENTLY ZONED AI TWO AND THEN GUIDED INDUSTRIAL IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THE SITE ITSELF IS A LITTLE OVER EIGHT ACRES AND THEN THE BUILDING IS 113,531 SQUARE FEET AND THEN THE REQUEST TONIGHT IS FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR AN INSTRUCTIONAL CENTER AND I'LL JUST NOTE IT WAS IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THIS WAS COMMUNICATED TO THE APPLICANT AS WELL.  BUT THIS USE IS ACTUALLY BEING PROPOSED TO BECOME A PERMITTED USE THROUGH THE STREAMLINING DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE WHICH IS SCHEDULED TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL ON OCTOBER 14TH AND IF THAT CHANGES APPROVED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WOULD NO LONGER BE NEEDED FOR THIS USE BUT IT STILL WOULD BE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW ALL OF OUR PROVISIONS OF CITY CODE IN ANY APPLICABLE BUILDING AND FIRE CODES.  THE APPLICANT IS JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAN OPERATE AS SOON AS THEY CAN AND DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE ANY POTENTIAL DELAYS AND SO THEY WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION HERE. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SEEING BEFORE YOU TONIGHT.  I'M JUST LOOKING A LITTLE CLOSER AN AERIAL VIEW OF THE BUILDING AND THEN JUST KIND OF RUSTY ROUGH ESTIMATION OF KIND OF WHERE THE THE USE WOULD BE IN THIS BUILDING AMID OCCUPY A 9904 SQUARE FEET SPACE AND THAT REPRESENTS ABOUT 9% OF THE OVERALL BUILDING FOR AREA UM MINNESOTA ACLU OPTIONS IS AN INSTRUCTIONAL FACILITY THAT OFFERS SPECIALIZED ADVANCED DRIVER ASSISTANCE SYSTEMS OR AIDS TECHNICIAN TRAINING AND THEY PROVIDE SPECIAL SPECIALIZED TRAINING TO THEIR PARTNER CALIBRATION THAT LEADS TO A CERTIFICATION AS A CALIBRATION TECHNICIAN. AND SO THE USE FOR THIS FACILITY WOULD BE TO TRAIN INDIVIDUALS ON ADUS WITH THE TEST VEHICLE.  AS YOU SEE THERE'S AN OVERHEAD DOOR KIND OF ON THE NORTH PART OF THE BUILDING WHERE A VEHICLE WOULD ENTER AND THEN AND THEY'D HAVE OPEN SPACE TO KIND OF RUN THEIR DIAGNOSTICS TESTING AND AND THE TRAINING THAT THEY DO ON THE VEHICLE AND THEN SOME ADDITIONAL CLASSROOM SPACE AND OFFICE SPACE IN THE BUILDING AND THERE'S NO EXTERIOR BUILDING MODIFICATIONS PROPOSED WITH THIS APPLICATION OUTSIDE OF A POTENTIAL EXTERIOR WALL SIGN IN THE FUTURE THIS APPLICATION WOULD NOT REQUIRE ANY ADDITIONAL LIGHTING OR LANDSCAPE OPENING. HOWEVER THE SITE WOULD JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE IT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH ITS ORIGINALLY APPROVED LANDSCAPE AND LIGHTING PLAN FOR THE BUILDING WHICH STAFF DID REVIEWING IT IS STILL IN COMPLIANCE AND THEN THERE I GUESS THE ONE SITE IMPROVEMENT WILL BE THE INSTALLATION OF A BIKE RACK AN ONSITE AND THEN INTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS TO WALLS LIGHTING AND FLOORING ARE ALSO PROPOSED AND WOULD GO THROUGH THAT BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS.  ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IS SO BASED ON THE EXISTING USES AND THE OFFICE WAREHOUSE BUILDING 299 PARKING SPACES WOULD BE REQUIRED AND THIS SITE CURRENTLY PROVIDES 415 PARKING SPACES SO THERE IS SUFFICIENT OR ADEQUATE PARKING SUPPLY TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE EXISTING USES.  THERE IS SOME VACANT OFFICE AND WAREHOUSE SPACE IN THIS BUILDING SO AS NEW TENANTS COME IN THAT IS SOMETHING THAT STAFF WOULD CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THAT MIX MAKING SURE THAT IT'S MEETING IT'S OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS WITH THOSE USES AND KIND OF TREATED AS EACH USE KIND OF COMES IN AND THAT THAT MIX CHANGES SO FOR THE PURPOSES OF THIS USE AND THE EXISTING USES THERE THERE IS ADEQUATE PARKING SUPPLY.  SO WITH THAT I CAN HELP ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.  WE ALSO HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE IN PERSON IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND STEPH IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE SCREEN . THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER COOKED IN THIS MADAM CHAIR? MR. CROWELL IN MY UNDERSTANDING THERE WILL BE VEHICLES IN THE BUILDING.  YEAH. CHAIR ALBRECHT COMMISSIONER COOKED IN THAT IS CORRECT.  SO A VEHICLE WILL KIND OF ENTER THROUGH THAT OVERHEAD DOOR WOULD BE PARKED IN THE SPACE YOU KNOW ENGINE OFF AND THEN THEY'RE RUNNING THERE THE THE TRAINING FOR MY UNDERSTANDING IS KIND OF REALLY ON THE ELECTRONIC SYSTEMS OF A OF A VEHICLE AND SO THEY'RE KIND OF RUNNING THEIR COMPUTER THAT'S PLUGGED IN KIND OF DOING THEIR DIAGNOSTIC TESTING OF THE VEHICLE IN SPACE.  FOLLOW UP QUESTION AND I THINK THIS IS PRIOR QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S PROTECTION AROUND THOSE STEEL COLUMNS THERE?  YEAH. CHAIR ALBERT COMMISSIONER COOKED AND I AM NOT AWARE OF AND SO THAT COULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT AND I KNOW OUR FIRE MARSHAL ALSO HAD SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS AND REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD BE REVIEWED THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT AS WELL ON SOME OF THAT. THANK YOU. YEAH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF ? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.  I WILL OPEN IT NOW FOR THE APPLICANT TO SPEAK TO. COME ON, INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE. HI, I'M C.J. PETERS.  I'M THE OWNER OF MINNESOTA AIR SOLUTIONS.  SO AS FAR AS THE POST THE BEAMS THEY'RE PAINTED YELLOW AND WE WRAP THEM AND THOSE ONES ARE COVERED IN PINE BUT THAT'S FOR THE CALIBRATING SO THAT THAT DOESN'T PICK UP THE STEEL BEING THAT.  ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM.  THANK YOU CHAIR. MR. PETERS, ARE YOU CURRENTLY OPERATING YOUR BUSINESS WITHIN BLOOMINGTON OR SOMEWHERE ELSE ? IS IT A CHAIN OF BUSINESSES? SO BLOOMINGTON WILL BE THE TRAINING FOR CENTER WITH CORRIDORS WHICH IS THE LICENSE GROUP.  THE WAY THAT WE GET VEHICLES IS BY PARTNERING WITH LOCALS.  SO RIGHT NOW CAR STAR IS WILLING TO HELP US AND WE HAVE SOME FROM WALSER BUT WE'RE NOT LIKE OPEN READY TO GO NORMALLY LIKE MAPLE GROVE OUR LOCATION IS WIDE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. THANK YOU.  ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT?  THANK YOU.  ALL RIGHT. THIS ITEM DOES HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING SO WE WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANYONE WHO WISHES TO TESTIFY CAN COME UP, SIGN IN , INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, PROVIDE COMMENT.  PLANNING MANAGER MARKET GUARD IS THERE ANYONE ONLINE WISH TO SPEAK TO OUR ALBRECHT WE HAVE NO ONE ONLINE FOR THIS ITEM.  ALL RIGHT. GOING ONCE GOING TWICE FURTHER . OH, ABSOLUTELY. COME ON UP.  HELLO. MY NAME IS MICHAEL JOCHEN IN THE CHIEF INFORMATION OFFICER FOR CARITAS AND FOR THIS BUILDING IT'S SO IMPORTANT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE TRAINING OF ALL THE MAKES YEARS AND MODELS OF VEHICLES FOR THE ADVANCED DRIVER ASSISTANCE SYSTEMS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.  AND WE GREATLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME TONIGHT.  THANK YOU.  ANYONE ELSE WANTS TO TESTIFY?  ALL RIGHT. LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING SO HAVING YEAH SO MOVED AND A SECOND SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CLOSE A PUBLIC HEARING ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I THOSE OPPOSED MOTION PASSES SIX ZERO. ALL RIGHT. OPEN FOR DISCUSSION,  COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM. THANK YOU, CHAIR SEEMS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD TO ME. THIS WILL BE A PERMITTED USE THE NEW PLANS OR UNDER A NEW GUIDANCE FROM PLANNING SEEMS LIKE A GOOD EDUCATIONAL FACILITY AS WELL AS A EMPLOYMENT FACILITY FOR BLOOMINGTON I SHARE COMMISSIONER COOK DANCE CONCERNS ABOUT STEEL COLUMNS BUT YELLOW PAINT IS BETTER THAN NOTHING OLDER BUILDING ALWAYS NERVOUS TO BE DRIVING A CAR IN THERE BUT I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS PLAN TO VOTE IN FAVOR OF ADOPTING RECOMMENDING IT THANK YOU.  THEIR COMMENTS COMMISSIONER COOK TO THIS VENTURE I AGREE THIS IS A PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD APPLICATION I'LL BE IN SUPPORT OF IT TONIGHT.  YEAH I I PERSONALLY THINK A LITTLE PROTECTION AROUND INTERIOR COLUMNS WHERE THERE'S VEHICLES MOVING SOME DOLLARS OR SOMETHING REALLY SAVES YOU A LOT OF TROUBLE WHEN A CAR GETS A COLUMN IT'S A MUCH WORSE PROBLEM THAN PUTTING IN A COUPLE OF BOLLARDS. SO NO NOTHING TO STOP ME FROM APPROVING OR RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THIS APPLICATION.  WELL LEAVE IT TO OUR ENGINEERS TO REALLY FIND OUT I HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT ANY OF THAT SO I ALSO FIND THAT IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. I APPRECIATE THAT THEY WANTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT EVEN THOUGH IT'S GOING TO BE PERMITTED OR POTENTIALLY BE PERMITTED NOT FAR AWAY. SO HOPEFULLY THAT HELPS SPEED ALONG THE PROCESS AND THEY CAN GET GOING AND GET SET UP BUSINESS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND BE GREAT. SO I AM ALSO IN SUPPORT LOOKING FOR A MOTION.  COMMISSIONER MCGOVERN HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO MAKE THE REQUIRED FINDING TO MOVE TO A RESOLUTION APPROVING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR AN INSTRUCTIONAL CENTER SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS CODE REQUIREMENTS LISTED IN THE RESOLUTION?  ALL RIGHT. WE HAVE A MOTION TO HAVE A SECOND SECOND. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND FOR THE RECOMMENDATION ON YOUR SCREEN. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I ANY OPPOSED MOTION PASSES 6 TO 0. THAT ITEM IS A FINAL DECISION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNLESS AN APPEAL IS RECEIVED BY OCTOBER EIGHTH AT 4:30 P.M.. THANK YOU.  BE ALL RIGHT.  WE ARE ON TO OUR NEXT ITEM WHICH IS ITEM THREE THIS IS A STUDY ITEM DOES NOT HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND THAT IS THE UPDATE ON THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE SENIOR ENGINEER BOB SIMONS AND WE HAVE ENGINEER JULIE LONG AS WELL. WELCOME.  THANK YOU CHAIR. AS YOU STATED, BOB AND I ARE GOING TO BE PRESENTING OUR UPDATE ON THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM AND OUR CIP TRANSPORTATION UPDATES FOR THE COMMISSION'S CONSIDERATION IN YOUR ROLE OF ADVISING ON TRANSPORTATION ON ITEMS.  SO SO THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM HAS EXISTED IN BLOOMINGTON'S SINCE 1991. THE GOAL OF IT IS TO REDUCE THE OVERALL STREET REPAIR COSTS BY TAKING THE RIGHT ACTION AT THE RIGHT TIME.  WE USE WHAT WE CALL THE PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX TO HELP US SELECT THE STREETS. IT'S BASICALLY A GRADE FROM 0 TO 100 WITH 100 BEING A BRAND NEW STREET AND ZERO BEING A STREET THAT HAS DETERIORATED INTO GRAVEL.  AND THEN WE ALSO USE THAT TO HELP PREPARE FORECASTS FOR FUTURE YEARS. WE BID ALL OUR STREETS SEGMENTS TOGETHER IN ONE BIG PROJECT TO GET ECONOMIES OF SCALE.  YOU'LL SEE OTHER COMMUNITIES WILL BID THREE OR FOUR SEPARATE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROJECTS. BLOOMINGTON HAS NOT DONE THAT IT WE FIND IT'S MORE COST EFFECTIVE TO BUILD BID THEM ALL TOGETHER SO THAT LOWERS THE ASSESSMENTS TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS AND ALSO LOWERS THE CITY PORTION OF THE COSTS FOR ALL TAXPAYERS. WE HAVE A ASSESSMENT POLICY THAT COST SHARES WITH ADJACENT PROPERTY TAX, ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND CITY TAXPAYERS SO A SINGLE TWO AND THREE FAMILY HOMES PAY 25% OF THE COST OF THE PROJECT AND ALL OTHER PROPERTY TYPES PAY 50% OF THE COST. SO COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL AND MULTIFAMILY SO WE HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT TECHNIQUES THAT WE PUT UNDER THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT UMBRELLA.  THE MOST EXPENSIVE IS THE RECONSTRUCT WHERE WE REMOVE AND REPLACE THE PAVEMENT WE INSTALL NEW CURVING GUTTER IF IT ISN'T THERE AND WE DO THAT BY HIRING A CONTRACTOR THE OVERLAY IS A MORE MIDDLE RANGE OF EXPENSE THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM WHERE WE GRIND OFF A SECTION OF THE PAVEMENT THE TOP AND THEN PAVE A NEW LAYER AND THAT IS ALSO DONE BY A CONTRACTOR .  THE SEAL CODE IS ONE OF OUR LESSER EXPENSIVE MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES TO MAINTAIN OUR STREET SYSTEM WHERE WE APPLY A BITUMINOUS ADHESIVE WE PUT AN AGGREGATE ON TOP AND THEN WE SWEEP OFF THE EXCESS THAT IS DONE BY A CONTRACTOR OR AS PART OF OUR SOUTH METRO JOINT POWERS AGREEMENT.  THAT IS A FAIRLY RECENT CHANGE WE'VE DONE TWO SUMMERS OF SILICA WITH THE JOINT POWERS AGREEMENT.  PRIOR TO THAT IT WAS DONE BY CITY STAFF BUT WE FOUND THAT WE GOT A BETTER PRICE AND PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO SELL US THE BITUMINOUS ADHESIVE BY JOINING THE JOINT POWERS AGREEMENT WE ALSO INCLUDE TRAILS IN SIDEWALK CONSTRUCTION IN OUR PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM THAT IS ALSO FAIRLY NEW. BLOOMINGTON USED TO BUILD TRAILS AND THEN WALK AWAY FOR THEM AND YOU CAN SEE THAT SOME OF THE CONDITIONS ESPECIALLY THE ONE OVER ON NORMANDY BOULEVARD THAT THAT IS NOT THE RIGHT ACTIVITY TO DO FOR PAVEMENT.  SO WE'LL REMOVE AND REPLACE PAVEMENT OR CRACK AND FOG SEAL THOSE TRAILS. YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THERE ISN'T AN OVERLAY ON TRAILS AND THAT'S BECAUSE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SUBJECT TO THE WEIGHT OF A VEHICLE OR A TRUCK THEY ARE NOT BUILT AS THICK AND SO THERE ISN'T ENOUGH STRUCTURE ON THE PAVEMENT TO MILL THAT OFF AND THEN REPAVE IT AND WE'LL DO THAT EITHER BY THE CONTRACTOR OR BY THE CITY MAINTENANCE DIVISION.  SO SO HERE IS A PAVEMENT LIFECYCLE. THE ANALOGY I ALWAYS LIKE TO USE IS AN INTERNAL COMBUSTION VEHICLE.  SO IF I BOUGHT A NEW VEHICLE AND DROVE IT OFF THE LOT AND I NEVER DID AN OIL CHANGE AND I NEVER FLUSH THE RADIATOR AND NEVER DID ANY ALIGNMENT TRANSMISSION OR ANYTHING EVENTUALLY MY CAR IS GOING TO FAIL. SO SIMILARLY THAT'S THE FIRST GRAPH. SO IF WE BUILD A ROAD AND DO NOTHING TO IT ON AVERAGE IT'S GOING TO LAST ABOUT 20 YEARS. IT'S A LITTLE HIGHER IF YOU'RE ON THE EAST SIDE OF BLOOMINGTON WHERE THE GOT NICE SANDY SOIL WHICH DRAINS WELL IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE LOWER ON THE WEST SIDE WHERE THERE SOME CLAY SOIL THAT RETAINS MOISTURE BECAUSE WATER IS THE ENEMY OF ALL PAVEMENT. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS EXTEND THE LIFE OF THAT PAVEMENT AND MAKE IT MORE ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE FOR THE TAXPAYER AND ANYONE WHO IS SUBJECT TO AN ASSESSMENT.  SO YOU'LL NOTICE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE WE SHOW A GRAPH THAT'S KIND OF SAWTOOTH WHERE WE'RE DOING MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES PERIODIC CLI AND SO WE'LL DO SOME SEAL COATS AND THEN WE'LL DO A BIGGER OVERLAY PROJECT AND THEN WE'LL DO SOME SEAL COATS AND THEN ANOTHER OVERLAY AND SO OUR GOAL IS TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF THAT PAVEMENT CLOSER TO 60, 70, MAYBE EVEN 80 YEARS. IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU ARE AND ON WHAT SIDE OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE EXISTING SOIL CONDITIONS. BUT ON AVERAGE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS LIKE A 70 YEAR LIFE SPAN SO WE HAVE A BUNCH OF EXISTING STREET POLICIES THAT WERE ADOPTED BY COUNCIL IN 2000 TO THE FIRST ONE IS THAT ANY CARBON OR ANY STREET THAT IS RECONSTRUCTED WITH THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM WILL BE RECONSTRUCTED WITH CURB AND GUTTER AND DO THAT BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO FUNNEL THE WATER EITHER INTO THE CATCH BASIN OR PREVENT IT FROM GOING OUT INTO THE SHOULDER AND GETTING UNDERNEATH THE STRUCTURE OF THE ROAD.  SO THAT IS WHY A CURBING GUTTER IS A GOOD INVESTMENT ON OUR ROADS.  WE ALSO HAVE RECONSTRUCT STREET WIDTH EXISTING WIDTHS YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE A DIFFERENT CHART ON THAT. WE WILL VARY FROM THIS POLICY ON OCCASION.  WE HAVE A COUPLE EXAMPLES TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO PROPOSE SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO CITY COUNCIL ON A ROAD WITH AND WE'LL GET INTO MORE DETAILS IF A STREET HAS EXISTING CURVING GUTTER IT'S RECONSTRUCTED TO THE CURRENT WIDTH. WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH CITY COUNCIL AND AT THIS POINT IN TIME BECAUSE THAT CURB AND GUTTER IS STILL VIABLE AND DOES NOT NEED TO BE REPLACED, THEY HAVE BEEN RELUCTANT TO PULL IT OUT JUST TO NARROW THE ROAD. BUT IF WE HAVE ANOTHER REASON TO NARROW THE ROAD MOST OFTEN SANITARY SEWER PROJECTS THAT'S OUR OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT TRYING TO NARROW AND THE STREETS AND SLOW DOWN SOME OF THE TRAFFIC AND THEN IF WE DO HAPPEN TO NARROW THE ROAD TO A CERTAIN WITH IT DOES LIMIT THE PARKING AND THAT IS OFTEN DRIVEN BY THE WINTER SEASON AND SNOW PLOWS AND THE ABILITY FOR THEM TO GET BY. LAST WINTER WAS LOVELY FROM A SNOWPLOW STANDPOINT.  THE WINTER PRIOR TO THAT WAS PRETTY AWFUL AND YOU REMEMBER HEARING OTHER COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW, STOP ALLOWING PARKING ON STREETS BECAUSE THE PLOWS COULDN'T GET THROUGH BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF SNOW.  SO SO THIS IS KIND OF OUR COMPLETE STREETS POLICY. WE ADOPTED THIS IN 2012.  WE LOOK AT EXISTING CONDITIONS ,DEMAND DIFFERENT POLICIES AND PLANS THAT ARE IN PLACE LIKE OUR ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION PLAN AND THEN WE TAKE THAT AND INCLUDE THAT IN BOTH THE PROJECT DESIGN AND THEN DURING CONSTRUCTION WE LOOKT CONSIDERATIONS BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT IF YOU HAVE A BIKE DETOUR THAT IS MUCH MORE CHALLENGING THAN A DETOUR FOR VEHICLE. SO ARE THERE OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO MAKE DIFFERENT CHOICES JUST TO KIND OF REVIEW WHAT KIND OF COMPLETE STREETS AMENITIES WE WERE ABLE TO DO IN 2023?  LAST YEAR WE INSTALLED NINE NEW PEDESTRIAN RAMPS 93 REMOVE AND REPLACE PEDESTRIAN RAMPS SO THAT THEY WERE ADA COMPLIANT. WE INSTALLED 670 LINEAR FEET OF NEW SIDEWALK TO FILL IN A GAP AND 0.23 MILES OF A MULTIMODAL TRAIL.  AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO FILL IN THOSE GAPS WHERE THEY ARE WE REPLACED 4800 LINEAR FEET OF SIDEWALK TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE ADA COMPLIANT WITH THE TRIPS AND DISPLACEMENTS WE BUILT 0.9 MILES OF BIKE LANES AND INSTALLED TEN BIKE RACKS SO WE KIND OF USED THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PROGRAM AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD OUT SOME OF OUR MULTIMODAL INFRASTRUCTURE. WE KNOW THAT IS AN AREA THAT THE CITY IS LACKING BUT WE FIND THAT IT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY.  I RECENTLY DID A LITTLE ANALYSIS ON OUR A PROPOSED CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM AND WE REALIZED THAT WE'RE SPENDING ABOUT 25% OF WHAT ENGINEERING DOES IS IN THAT MULTIMODAL AREA WHICH WAS SURPRISING TO US WE THOUGHT WE WERE DOING LESS THE LIVABILITY OF LOCAL STREET INITIATIVE LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER WE'LL TALK ABOUT STREET WITH ALTERATIONS WITH THOSE OPPORTUNITIES WHERE WE CAN REPLACE CARBON GUTTER AT AN ECONOMICAL PRICE BECAUSE IT'S BEING REMOVED FOR SOME OTHER ITEM. SO THIS YEAR WE HAVE THE 82ND STREET WATER MAIN PROJECT SO WE TOOK AN EXISTING 44 FOOT WIDE ROAD AND NARROWED IT TO 38 FEET. SO WE TOOK THAT OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE WE WERE GOING TO BE REMOVING THAT CURVING GUTTER BECAUSE OF THE PIPE INSTALLATION. WHERE'S THE BEST PLACE TO PUT IT BACK AND STILL PROVIDE FACILITIES? WE HAVE TWO PROJECTS THAT ARE UPCOMING IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN A NORTH AND A SOUTH CENTRAL SANITARY SEWER PROJECT.  WE ANTICIPATE LOOKING AT THE ROAD WITH ON BOTH OF THOSE PROJECTS AND MAKING THE APPROPRIATE RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON WHAT IS OCCURRING IN THE COMMUNITY. I MENTIONED EARLIER WE WERE DOING A LOT OF SIDEWALK AND TRAIL ANVILS.  SOME OF THE RECENT ONES ARE IN BLOOMINGTON AVENUE WEST 78TH STREET AND 94TH STREET NEAR THE NORMAN DALE COMMUNITY COLLEGE PARK AND REC IS CURRENTLY DOING A URBAN FORESTRY MASTER PLAN AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE ASKED THEM TO INCLUDE IN THEIR REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS IS BOULEVARD TREES. WE KNOW THAT SHADE HELPS REDUCE THE URBAN HEAT ISLAND AND ARE THERE OPPORTUNITIES TO BALANCE THE RISK FROM A CRASH HITTING A TREE BUT ALSO PROVIDING A MORE COMFORTABLE FOR A PEDESTRIAN? SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ADDRESSING THAT AND MAKING THE BEST CHOICE AND THEN ALSO AS WE'RE WORKING WITH METRO TRANSIT WE'RE LOOKING AT DIFFERENT TRANSIT PRIORITY ON A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN A LOT OF RED PAINT GOING DOWN IN MINNEAPOLIS. YOU CAN SEE THE RED PAINT THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING UNDERNEATH THE ORANGE LINE TUNNEL UNDER 494 AND IS BECOMING A MORE COMMON THING FOR PEOPLE TO SEE AND THAT MEANS THAT THAT IS A BUS ONLY. LANE WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT MAYBE GIVING TRANSIT SIGNAL PREEMPTION WHERE THE BUS GETS, YOU KNOW, A 10/2 HEAD START OR A 5/2 HEAD START AS OPPOSED TO OTHER VEHICLES JUST TO HELP GET THEM ON TIME TO WHERE THEY ARE SO THAT MORE PEOPLE WILL USE TRANSIT AND HELP US REDUCE THE GREENHOUSE GAS AND HELP US ACHIEVE OUR CLIMATE GOALS.  SO HOW WE PAY FOR THIS IS USING THE STATE STATUTE FOR 29 THAT'S FOR SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS AND THIS IS FOR THE RECONSTRUCTS THE OVERLAYS AND SEAL CODES ARE PAID FOR EITHER BY WHAT WE RECEIVE ON GAS TAX OR SOME OF OUR FRANCHISE FEES. BUT THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS ARE FOR THE MOST EXPENSIVE PROJECT THE RECONSTRUCT SO WE USE FOR 29 OUR ASSESSMENT POLICY HAS BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 1962. WE DO IT BASED ON AN ADJUSTED FRONT FOOT AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE EVERYTHING BASICALLY AN IMAGINARY RECTANGLE SO WE CAN COMPARE DIFFERENT LOTS BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT PIE SHAPED LOTS ON CUL DE SACS, PEOPLE LIVE ON CORNERS. THEY SHOULDN'T BE PENALIZED FOR HAVING A YOU KNOW, A CORNER LOT. WE HAVE OTHER ODD SHAPE LOTS SHALLOW LOTS SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE EVERYONE AS FAIR AS POSSIBLE.  SO NO ASSESSMENT POLICY IS COMPLETELY FAIR. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT SYSTEM YOU'RE USING THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE SOMEONE WHO'S A WINNER AND SOMEONE WHO'S A LOSER. BUT BECAUSE WE'VE DONE THIS SINCE 1962, WE CAN SAY THAT WE'VE CONSISTENTLY APPLIED IT . IT'S GONE PRETTY WELL FOR US.  SO IN SUMMARY WE'RE KIND OF TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT ACTION AT THE RIGHT TIME TO PROLONG THE PAVEMENT LIFE, KEEP OUR CITY INFRASTRUCTURE IN GOOD CONDITION, MAINTAIN HER INCREASED PROPERTY VALUES AND REDUCE THE OVERALL COST TO THE TAXPAYERS AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE TO PAY ASSESSMENTS.  THIS IS KIND OF OUR TIMELINE IN THE IN THE FIRST YEAR LIKE THIS PAST SPRING WE DID WHAT WE CALL THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT DRIVE AROUND SO WE DRIVE THE STREETS THAT THE COMPUTER SAYS THIS IS WHERE THE PIECES A TO VISUALLY CONFIRM THAT THAT IS WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING OUT IN THE FIELD IN THE SUMMER WE HAVE A PMP SCOPING MEETING WITH NOT ONLY ENGINEERING AND PLANNING BUT WE ALSO INVITE PARK AND REC PEOPLE FROM FIRE JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IN THE CITY GETS A CHANCE TO SAY WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE ABOUT A PARTICULAR STREET SEGMENT. THEN WE COME TO YOU THAT'S THE ONE STAR. THEN WE CALCULATE PRELIMINARY ESTIMATES OF THE PROJECT AND THE ASSESSMENT AND WE SEND THAT OUT. WE HOLD A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AND THEN WE GO TO COUNCIL TO ORDER THE PROJECT. SO ALL OF THIS IS COMING UP HERE IN OCTOBER NOVEMBER.  THE PUBLIC HEARING TO ORDER THE PROJECT IS ON NOVEMBER 18TH THIS YEAR. THEN WE'LL COME BACK.  SOME OF YOU WHO HAVE BEEN HERE BEFORE IT'S USUALLY AMY MARRON AND SHE'LL TELL YOU WHAT WE'RE DOING SPECIAL IN THE DESIGN OF HOW LIKE WE'VE TAKEN IT FURTHER WE'LL DO THE FINAL DESIGN AND THEN WE BID THE PROJECT IN THE SPRING AND BOB'S TEAM MONITORS THE CONSTRUCTION IN THE SUMMER AGAIN WE DO FINAL ASSESSMENTS IN THE FALL. SO FOR THIS YEAR'S PROJECTS WE'VE HELD THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING FOR THE ASSESSMENT AND THE ASSESSMENT IS THE PUBLIC HEARING IS SCHEDULED FOR OCTOBER 14TH AND AT THAT NIGHT WE'RE HOPING COUNSEL ADOPTS THE ASSESSMENT ROLE. SO NOW I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO MR. SIMONDS TO TALK ABOUT THE NEXT TWO YEARS OF PROJECTS ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU JULIE AND GOOD EVENING AS EARLIER I'M BOB SIMONDS. I'M A SENIOR CIVIL ENGINEER IN OUR STREET DESIGN AND INFRASTRUCTURE AREA OF ENGINEERING. I'LL RUN THROUGH THE NEXT TWO YEARS. SOME OF THESE MAY BE REPEATS TO SOME OF YOU BECAUSE SOMETIMES PROJECTS PUSHED FROM YEAR TO YEAR BUT I'LL HIGHLIGHT A FEW DIFFERENT AREAS FROM THE NEXT TWO YEARS IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU SAW IN THE PACKET THAT YOU'D LIKE US TO BRING UP, WE'LL JUST BE HIGHLIGHTING A FEW WHERE WE HAVE SOME TRANSPORTATION AND MULTI-MODAL COMPONENTS.  BUT IF THERE'S ANY OTHER AREAS THAT YOU NOTICED YOU WANTED TO DISCUSS, PLEASE FEEL FREE TO BRING THEM UP. SO FOR THE 25 ONE ON OUR PMP RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT FOR THIS YEAR WE HAVE FOUR AREAS WE'RE GOING TO HIGHLIGHT FIRST OF WHICH IS 84TH STREET AREA 84TH STREET FROM PORTLAND OVER TO OLD CEDAR ALSO INCLUDING OAKLAND AND 15TH AVENUE. SOME OF THE SEGMENTS OAKLAND AND 15TH DON'T HAVE EXISTING CURB AND GUTTER SO WE'LL LOOK AT INSTALLING CURB AND GUTTER WITH THE PROJECT TYPICALLY ON THESE LONGER SEGMENTS LIKE OUR 84TH STREETS OR 90TH STREETS WHERE WE'RE GETTING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS, WE'LL LOOKT THE INTERSECTION CONTROL IN THE AREA TO SEE WHERE WE HAVE UNCONTROLLED INTERSECTIONS CONTROLLED INTERSECTIONS. WE KNOW WHAT PARKING 84 IS IN CHICAGO IN ANY FOURTH. WE CURRENTLY HAVE SOME FOUR WAY STOPS THERE SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THOSE SEEING WHAT WE'VE HAD FOR COMPLIANCE AND ALSO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT SIDEWALK CONNECTIONS.  AS JULIE MENTIONED, WE TRY TO LOOK AT SIDEWALK IN FILLS FILLING GAPS WITH THESE PIPE PROJECTS SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT SIDEWALK CONNECTIONS ON SOUTH SIDE OF 84TH NEAR WRIGHT'S LAKE WRIGHT'S LAKE PARK AND THAT SOUTHEAST CORNER THERE TO CONNECT TO WRIGHT'S LAKE PARK FROM OLD CEDAR AND THEN ALSO ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 84TH FROM 12TH OLD CEDAR POSSIBLY LOOKING AT FILLING A GAP THERE. WE'LL LOOK AND SEE IF IT'S FEASIBLE TO CONNECT TO THIS WALK THAT CONTINUES TO HEAD WEST ON 84TH.  THE NEXT AREA WILL HIGHLIGHT IS 12TH AVENUE FROM 92ND TO 94TH STREET. IT'S ONE OF THE FEW SEGMENTS IN THIS AREA ALONG 12TH THAT DOES NOT HAVE EXISTING CURBING GUTTER. SO WE'D BE INSTALLING IT WITH THE PROJECT AND WE'LL BE LOOKING AT WHAT THE DESIRED CROSS SECTION MAY BE IN THIS AREA LOOKING AT THE POSSIBILITY OF SOME BIKE LANE ADDITIONS AND THEN ALSO CONTINUING ONCE AGAIN FILLING A SIDEWALK GAP, CONTINUING SIDEWALK FROM 94TH UP TO 92ND AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT WITH THE 494 WORK THAT'S GOING ON WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE SEEING A CHANGE IN TRAFFIC PATTERNS WITH THE ACCESS AND THE REMOVAL OF RAMPS AT 494. SO WE'LL KEEP THAT IN MIND AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH OUR DESIGN. ANOTHER AREA TO HIGHLIGHT IS 105TH STREET. THIS HAS KIND OF BEEN THE FORGOTTEN ROADWAY.  IT'S SOUTH SIDE OF GAS. FOUR LESS SOUTH OF OLD SHOCK BASICALLY SERVES AS A ONE WAY RIGHT NOW AND NO EXISTING CURVE AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS WHERE AS JULIE MENTIONED, WE LOOK INTO AREAS WHERE WE COULD POSSIBLY BE REDUCING WITH THIS IS ONE OF THOSE AREAS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT DOING THAT IT'S BASICALLY JUST SERVES THE TWO PROPERTIES ON THE SOUTH SIDE AND THEN THAT GETS THE GAS FOR LESS AS WELL SO WE'LL LOOK AT THE NEED FOR THAT ACCESS TO THE GAS FOR LESS THAN 105TH AND THEN ALSO WE HAVE A CONNECTION OVER AT THOMAS THAT'S A WRITE IN RIGHT OUT FROM 105TH CURRENTLY WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT AS WELL AS WELL AS PARKING IN THE AREA BUT THIS WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE CANDIDATES WHERE WE CAN LOOK AT A REDUCED STREET WITHIN THE AREA OFF THE USAGE AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE EAST 90TH STREET JUST A SHORT SEGMENT FROM CEDAR AVENUE TO ITS EAST TERMINUS APARTMENTS CEDAR CREST APARTMENTS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE OF THE ROADWAY. ANOTHER ONE WHERE WE'LL LOOK AT STREET WIDTHS POSSIBLY REDUCING STREET WITHIN THIS AREA I'M LOOKING AT PARKING OPTIONS POSSIBLY THE ADDITION OF SIDEWALK AS WELL AS SIDEWALK CONNECTION TO THE APARTMENTS IF WE ALLOW FOR STREET PARKING ON THE ROADWAY. SO JUST ANOTHER ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE LOCATIONS WHERE WE'LL BE LOOKING AT WIDTHS AND SIDEWALK OPTIONS AND THEN FOR OUR 25 OVERLAY CANDIDATES WE HAVE TWO AREAS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HIGHLIGHT THIS EVENING, THE FIRST OF WHICH IS THE NINE MILE CREEK AREA. IT INCLUDES NINE MILE CREEK PARKWAY FROM 90TH STREET UP TO STANLEY AVENUE AND THEN ALSO STANLEY AVENUE FROM TIME OUT CREEK PARKWAY UP TO 84TH STREET. WE'LL BE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY CHANGING TO A TWO LANE CONFIGURATION ON NINE MILE CREEK PARKWAY WITH BIKE LANES AND ALSO THE INTERSECTION OF STANLEY AVENUE AND NINE MILE CREEK PARKWAY. CURRENTLY THERE'S A LOT OF PAVEMENT, LARGE EXPANSE OF PAVEMENT IN THAT AREA AND IT DOES COME TO A 90 DEGREE CORNER. BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT INSTALLING MORE OF A 90 DEGREE CURVE THERE, INSTALLING SOME CURB AND GUTTER SO WE CAN ACTUALLY MAKE THAT A CURVE AND THEN THERE'LL BE A FAIR AMOUNT OF PAVEMENT TO THE NORTH THAT WE'D BE REMOVING. SO WE'LL BE LOOKING AT SOME POSSIBLE RAINWATER GARDEN OR OTHER TREATMENT OPTIONS THAT WE COULD DO IN THAT ADDED GREEN SPACE IN THAT IN THAT LOCATION AND THEN ALSO A LOT OF SIDEWALK I'VE BEEN BRINGING UP ON THESE SITES SO FAR BUT ON STANLEY AVENUE FROM NINE MILE CREEK PARKWAY TO 84TH STREET AT PREVIOUS NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS NOT NECESSARILY INDIVIDUALS THAT LIVED ON STANLEY AVENUE BUT INDIVIDUALS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAD BROUGHT UP A SUGGESTION FOR SIDEWALK ALONG STANLEY AVENUE TO MAKE A CONNECTION BETWEEN 84TH AND MOUNT CREEK PARKWAY. SO WE'LL BE LOOKING TO HOLD SOME NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS WITH THAT WITH THAT AREA TO SEE IF THAT IS AN OPTION THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD WOULD BE INTERESTED IN . AND WITH THAT WE'D MOST LIKELY HAVE TO DO SOME SORT OF A ROAD DIET OUT THERE TO TO REDUCE THE WIDTH OF THE STREET.  IF WE DID MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT EITHER WITH THIS PROJECT OR WITH A WITH A FUTURE PROJECT AND THEN THE LAST ONE FOR THE 25 OVERLAY IS THE FRANCE AVENUE AREA INCLUDES FRANCE AVENUE FROM WALCZAK ROAD DOWN TO OVERLOOK DRIVE AND THEN ALSO A 110TH STREET FROM NORMANDY ALL OVER TO FRANCE. WE KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME SPEEDING CONCERNS ALONG FRANCE AVENUE JUST A FEW YEARS AGO WE INSTALLED SOME BOMB BELTS AT THE INTERSECTION OF FRANCE AND 108TH AND WE'RE LOOKING TO DO SOME ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC CALMING WORK ALONG FRANCE AVENUE SOUTH OF 108TH BETWEEN THERE AND OVERLOOK DRIVE POSSIBLY ALSO EXTENDING THE LIMITS SOUTH OF OVERLOOK DRIVE THERE'S AN EXISTING IF YOU DRIVE THE AREA THERE'S AN EXISTING AT GRADE CONCRETE IN THAT AREA THAT WE DON'T REALLY SEE THE NEED FOR IT TO BE THERE. BUT LOOKING AT OPTIONS TRAFFIC CALMING OPTIONS IN THAT AREA AS WELL WITH THIS PROJECT AND THEN THERE'S MULTIPLE RETAINING WALLS ALONG 110TH STREET OF ALL DIFFERENT SIZES THAT WE'LL PROBABLY NEED TO REPLACE SOME OF THOSE WITH THE PROJECT AND MAYBE REMOVE A FEW IF WE CAN REMOVE AND JUST GRADE YARDS BACK.  SO THAT SUMS UP TO 25 WORK AND I'LL GO TWO YEARS OUT TO THE 2026 RECONSTRUCT AND OVERLAY CANDIDATE SO WE JUST HAVE ONE CANDIDATE TO HIGHLIGHT FOR THE 2026 RECONSTRUCT PROJECT AND THAT'S WEST BUSH LAKE ROAD ON THE WEST SIDE OF TOWN.  IT INCLUDES RUSH WEST PUSH LAKE ROAD FROM HIGHWOOD DRIVE DOWN TO 86TH STREET.  OUR TRAFFIC AND ENGINEERING STAFF WILL BE REVIEWING THERE SOME MEDIAN LOCATIONS AND SOME EXISTING RIGHT TURN LANES ALONG THIS STRETCH THAT WE'LL LOOK AT IF THE VALIDITY OF KEEPING THOSE AND THEN ALSO THERE IS A FAIR AMOUNT OF RETAINING WALL AND SANITARY SEWER WORK THAT WILL BE INCLUDED WITH THIS PROJECT. AND I SHOULD MENTION THAT THERE'S BEEN BROUGHT UP IN THE PAST ABOUT PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS AT HIGHWOOD DRIVE. I'M INTERESTED IN SOME DIFFERENT LOCATIONS OF PEDESTRIAN CROSSINGS ON HIGHWAY DRIVE THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED WITH A SEPARATE PROJECT AND THEN WE HAVE FOUR AREAS TO HIGHLIGHT FOR OUR 2026 OVERLAY FIRST OF WHICH IS WEST 98TH STREET JUST WEST OF HERE FROM FRANCE TO PENN OUR TRAFFIC STAFF WILL BEGIN A STUDY TO REVIEW THE LANE CONFIGURATION AND LOOK AT A POSSIBLE LANE CONVERSION FOR THAT SEGMENT OF 98TH STREET AND ALSO LOOK AT THE PHASING OF THE SIGNAL AT 98TH AND PENN AS WELL. I'M WORKING WITH HENNEPIN COUNTY ON THAT AND WE ARE CURRENTLY AS I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN ON 9/90 AND XERXES INSTALLING A PEDESTRIAN CROSSING THIS YEAR THAT'S CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION WHATEVER STRIPING CONFIGURATION WE GO WITH WHETHER IT'S EXISTING OR A NEW PROPOSED THREE LANE CONFIGURATION THAT SET UP FOR THAT PEDESTRIAN CROSSING WILL WORK FOR FOR BOTH OF THOSE THOSE CONFIGURATIONS THEN WE HAVE HOPKINS ROAD FROM LYNDALE AVENUE TO HOPKINS CIRCLE THAT INTERSECTION OF HOPKINS ROAD AND MISSION ROAD IS KIND OF A LARGE ONCE AGAIN A LARGE EXPANSIVE AREA OF PAVEMENT AND NOT THE SAFEST INTERSECTION I BELIEVE THERE'S A YIELD CONDITION AS YOU'RE HEADING NORTH ON HOPKINS ROAD CURRENTLY SO WE'D BE LOOKING POSSIBLY MAKING THIS MORE OF A 90 DEGREE CORNER WITH A STOP CONDITION BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WILL BE REVIEWING AND SEE WHAT WE HAVE FOR EXISTING RIGHT AWAY AND FOR SPACE IN THAT AREA.  THEN WE HAVE OUR CHICAGO AVENUE AREA CHICAGO AVENUE FROM 78TH DOWN TO 80TH AND THEN 80TH FROM CHICAGO OVER TO 12TH. OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS PROBABLY SIX OR SEVEN YEARS WE'VE ADDED SOME SIDEWALK ALONG CHICAGO AVENUE AND FILLED SOME GAPS. WE'LL BE LOOKING AT DOING THAT SAME THING ALONG 80TH WHERE FEASIBLE THERE'S A FEW LOCATIONS WHERE WITH DEVELOPMENT THEY'VE BEEN INSTALLING SIDEWALK BUT THAT'S LEAVING A FEW GAPS SO WE'LL SEE IF THERE'S AREAS THAT WE CAN FILL WITH THAT PROJECT.  AND THEN FINALLY OUR 26 LAST 26 OVERLAY CANDIDATE IS IS STILL CHOCK B ROAD UP IN THE SOUTH LOOP AREA FROM 24TH ALL THE WAY UP TO 34TH AN AMERICAN AND THEN CONTINUING EAST ON AMERICAN UP TO THE EAST TERMINUS WE'LL BE LOOKING AT WHEN WE COME THROUGH WITH THIS PROJECT LANE USAGE AND STRIPING IN THE AREA REVIEWING WHAT THE NEEDS ARE IN THAT AREA, WHAT COULD BE CHANGED, WHAT COULD BE MODIFIED AND THEN ALSO IN OUR CAP WE CURRENTLY HAVE A PROJECT FOR A MULTIMODAL OR A MULTI MULTI-USE TRAIL OR ON ROAD FACILITY SOME SORT OF MULTIMODAL USE ALONG THIS STRETCH. SO WE'D BE LOOKING AT HOW WE COULD PREPARE FOR THAT AS WELL WHEN WE COME THROUGH FOR AN OVERLAY PROJECT.  AND THEN LASTLY I'LL HIGHLIGHT JUST TWO PROJECTS OTHER CAPE TRANSPORTATION PROJECTS AND A FEW OF THESE YOU'VE PROBABLY AT LEAST I KNOW THE ARMIDALE PROJECT WE'VE MENTIONED A FEW TIMES BEFORE BUT BOTH OF THEM ARE COMING UP IN THE NEAR FUTURE.  SO THE FIRST ONE IS THAT NORMAN THE BOULEVARD PROJECT NORMAN BOULEVARD FROM 90 FOREST DOWN TO OLD SHOCK ROAD. THOSE OF YOU AND I KNOW MOST OF YOU HAVE BEEN OUT THERE BUT THE TRAILS AND THE SIDEWALKS ARE NOT IN VERY GOOD CONDITION THERE RIGHT NOW. SOME OF THEM ARE DOWN TO A PRETTY MUCH GRAVEL. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT MULTI-USE TRAIL ON THE WEST SIDE OF NORMAN BOULEVARD AND A SIDEWALK ON THE EAST SIDE.  WE DID SOME COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT BACK IN 2022 BEFORE WE APPLIED FOR SOME REGIONAL OR REGIONAL SOLICITATIONS FOR SOME FEDERAL FUNDING AND WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN IN A FEW DIFFERENT GRANTS WE WERE RECEIVING AS BOTH A STATE GRANT AND ALSO A FEDERAL GRANT IN THE CARBON REDUCTION AREA FOR A SAFER IT'S THE SCHOOL AND ALSO THE HENNEPIN COUNTY FUNDS THAT WILL BE IN FRANCHISE FEE FUNDING THAT WOULD BE USED FOR THIS PROJECT AS WELL. BUT FOR THIS PROJECT WE'RE LOOKING TO BEGIN RIGHT AWAY ACQUISITION EASEMENT ACQUISITION WE'RE GOING HAVE TO BE INSTALLING A FEW RETAINING WALLS AND WITH A MULTI-USE TRAIL PROJECT ARE GOING TO NEED SOME EASEMENT ACQUISITION AS WELL TEMPORARY AND PERMANENT EASEMENTS.  SO WE'LL BE LOOKING TO START THAT PROCESS HERE IN 2025. WE'RE BE HOLDING A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING HERE LATER THIS FALL TO REVIEW WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN CONTINUE DESIGN WITH CONSTRUCTION POSSIBLY TO START IN LATE 2025 BUT MOST LIKELY 2026 INTO 2027 FOR THAT PROJECT.  AND THEN FINALLY WE HAVE OUR SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL VALID SCHOOLS PROJECT FOR THIS PROJECT SIMILAR TO IN ARMIDALE BOULEVARD WE'VE WE RECEIVED FEDERAL FUNDING IN THE AMOUNT OF I BELIEVE JUST ABOUT $400,000 FOR SIDEWALK INSTALLATION AND ON THE NORTH SIDE OF ADA STREET BETWEEN NICOLLET AND PORTLAND SO ADJACENT THEALLEY VIEW SCHOOLS CAMPUS AND WITH THIS PROJECT WE'D ALSO LOOK MODIFYING THE PEDESTRIAN CROSSING OF PORTLAND AVENUE AT BISCHOF CURRENTLY ON THE NORTH SIDE OF BISCHOF WE LOOK TO MOVE IT TO THE SOUTH SIDE TO REDUCE THE TURNING MOVEMENT CONFLICTS AND THEN ALSO ADD A PEDESTRIAN REFUGE ISLAND IN THERE AS WELL. AND THAT PROJECT WE'RE ALSO MOVING ALONG WITH THE DESIGN CURRENTLY ON THAT PROJECT WILL BE HAVING A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING HERE THIS FALL AS WELL AND THEN ORDERING THAT PROJECT AND THEN MOVING FORWARD CONSTRUCTION IN 2025 FOR THAT ONE AND WITH THAT I'LL OPEN IT UP TO ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE OR LIKE I SAID IF THERE'S ANY OTHER SITES ON THE AREAS THAT YOU SAW ON THE PACKET YOU NT TO BRING UP. WE CERTAINLY CAN. THANK YOU. YEAH.  QUESTIONS FOR STAFF COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM.  THANK YOU, CHAIR. FIRST OF ALL, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANKS FOR COMPREHENSIVE PRESENTATION. I KNOW THAT A LOT OF WORK GOES INTO THIS PLAN SO IMPRESSIVE.  A COUPLE TWO QUICK QUESTIONS. FIRST ONE 2026 ON THE PLAN THERE WAS AN OVERLAY KIND OF ON 90TH IN FRONT OF THE ICE GARDEN. I JUST WANT TO HAVE WE THOUGHT ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION AND RENOVATION OF THE ICE GARDEN AND KIND OF CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC ON A BRAND NEW ROAD I JUST DON'T HAS THE TIMELINE THAT PROJECT BEEN KIND OF COORDINATED WITH THE MILLEN OVERLAY PLAN?  YES COMMISSIONER WE HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING THAT WITH WITH THE BIG GROUP IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT THAT'S DOING THE DESIGN AND THE CONSTRUCTION FOR THAT AND WE INITIALLY HAD THIS SEGMENT OF 98TH STREET ON THE I DON'T KNOW WHY BACK TO FULL CHECK BELOW THE SEGMENT OF 98TH STREET ON OUR FOR OUR 2025 PROJECT BUT WE BACKED IT OFF BECAUSE OF OF THAT PROJECT AS WELL AS OTHER CONSTRUCTION IN THE AREA SO THAT WE COULD KIND OF BE COMING IN AT THE END AT THE TAIL END OF THAT WORK. SO GOT A SECOND QUESTION WAS THE CHICAGO UH AVENUE BETWEEN 494 AND 80TH I BELIEVE CHICAGO'S GETTING PEDESTRIAN BRIDGE OVER FOR 94. SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE THE SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS THEY'RE KIND OF BRINGING EVERYBODY IN TO SMITH PARK THAT WANTS TO CROSS THE INTERSTATE I GUESS SORRY THAT WASN'T REALLY A QUESTION BUT IS THAT THE REASON FOR THAT IT SHOWS UP OUR NEED FOR USING THE PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX FOR NEEDING IMPROVEMENTS IN THAT AREA AND SO THIS IS OUR OPPORTUNITY AND IT DOES DOVETAIL NICELY WITH THE 494 PROJECT AND THE NEW BRIDGE AND SOME OF THE WORK THAT MR. SIMONS MENTIONED EARLIER. SO YEAH, WE THINK IT'S A WIN WIN FOR EVERYONE WHETHER THEY WANT TO GO TO A SMITH PARK OR WALMART OR VISIT A FRIEND IN ONE OF THOSE APARTMENTS OR ELSEWHERE IN BLOOMINGTON.  EXCELLENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH COMMISSIONER COOKTOWN THANKS MANAGER. MR. SIMONS COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE SOUTH LOOP ONE SO THE TERMINUS OF AMERICAN BOULEVARD THERE'S KIND OF A ROAD TO NOWHERE. THERE'S LIKE AN AWKWARD CUL DE SAC AT THE END.  WHY DO WE HAVE THAT SEGNT AND WHY NOT JUST CUT THE ROAD BACK TO THE VISITOR CENTER CHAIR ALBRECHT COMMISSIONER COOKED IN THAT IS A CONNECTION THAT I BELIEVE EMERGENCY SERVICES WANTED TO HELP ACCESS INTO SOME OF THE REMOTE AREAS . IT ALSO CONNECTS TO THE TRAIL THAT'S ON THE 494 BRIDGE AND SO THEY WERE ORIGINALLY THAT IS WHY IT GOT PUT IN THERE.  WE HAVE NOT TALKED TO THEM ABOUT SHRINKING IT. WE CERTAINLY REACH OUT TO THEM TO SEE IF THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME.  I SUSPECT THEY'RE GOING TO TELL US NO BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO GO ASK THEM THAT PROBABLY WORTH A QUESTION WHILE WE'RE HERE.  I SEE 34TH AVENUE STOPPING AT AMERICAN BOULEVARD THERE  NOT GOING NORTH. WAS WHY IS THAT WHY NOT FINISH OFF 34TH UP TO THE DIAMOND INTERCHANGE CHAIR ALBERT COMMISSIONER COOKTOWN BECAUSE THE LIGHT RAIL PROJECT WENT THROUGH THAT AREA RECENTLY THAT ACTUAL PAVEMENT SERVICE SURFACE IS NOT READY FOR AN OVERLAY WE DO HAVE ELSEWHERE IN OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN PROPOSAL TO GET BETTER BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES THROUGH THAT CORRIDOR BECAUSE IT'S A LITTLE AWKWARD BUT IS WHY IT IS NOT INCLUDED BECAUSE THE PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX IS OF HIGH ENOUGH VALUE THAT IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE TO INCLUDE IT AT THIS TIME. OKAY YEAH YOU KIND OF STOLE MY THUNDER THERE BUT HAVING A SIDEWALK ON THE WEST SIDE OF 34TH AVENUE I THINK WOULD BE A HUGE IMPROVEMENT. THAT HOLIDAY STATION 494 GETS A LOT OF PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC AND PEOPLE JUST DON'T WANT ACROSS THAT MANY LANES OF TRAFFIC SO THEY WALK WHERE THEY SHOULDN'T AND AS SOMEONE WHO DRIVES THAT A LOT, IT IS KIND OF DANGEROUS WITH WHERE PEOPLE ARE WALKING AND STUFF. SO WHEN WE ARE READY FOR THAT I STRONGLY DESIRE TO GET A SIDEWALK CONNECTION UP TO THAT HOLIDAY STATION. I DO JUST ONE OTHER QUESTION OR COMMENT SO I THINK THIS ONE WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US HERE IS THE ONLY STRETCH OF OLD CHICOPEE WE'RE DOING. BUT FOR THE REST OF OLD CHICOPEE ROAD WHERE WE HAVE THE CURB WALKS HAS THERE BEEN ANY MOVEMENT WITH HENNEPIN COUNTY ON BEING ABLE TO GET SIDEWALKS THERE AND ALLEVIATE THAT CONDITION? CHAIR ALBERT COOKED IN THERE HAS NOT BEEN ENOUGH MOVEMENTS TO REPORT BACK TO YOU ON THAT THEY HAVE HEARD BECAUSE THEY NOW REPEAT IT BACK TO ME BECAUSE THEY TELL ME THAT THEIR NEXT PRIORITY IS PENN AVENUE AND I TELL THEM MY NEXT PRIORITY IS WALCZAK ROAD AND I WILL ALSO INVITE YOU AND THE PUBLIC THERE CURRENTLY I, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT WEBSITE I'LL PROBABLY FIND IT BUT IT'S LIKE HELLO HENNEPIN OR SOMETHING WHERE THEY'RE SOLICITING INPUT ON THEIR HENNEPIN COUNTY ROADS.  SO IF ANY OR ALL OF YOU WANTED TO PUT IN SOME COMMENTS ON OLD CHICOPEE ROAD I WOULD BE INDEBTED TO YOU BUT THEY ARE ALSO SIMILAR TO US WHERE THEY ARE ALSO WORKING ON FILLING IN GAPS AND WHAT YOU I HAVE RECENTLY TALKED TO ONE OF THEIR STAFF MEMBERS THAT A GAP THAT WOULD BE LOVELY TO FILL IN WOULD BE FROM THE NOKOMIS MINNESOTA RIVER TRAIL NEAR HIGHWAY 77 UP TO LAKE FIRE STATION THREE WHERE THE CITY HAS LEFT OFF ON OUR TRAIL. SO THAT WOULD BE A NICE GAP IN-FIELD TO KIND OF START THE CONVERSATION OLD SHOT ABBEY ROAD AND THEY DIDN'T SAY NO THEY DIDN'T SAY YES EITHER. SO WE'LL SEE HOW THAT GOES.  IF WE COULD GET AN EMAIL WITH THAT LINCOLN IT WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO SUPPORT THE CAUSE THERE. I THINK THAT'S THE MOST DANGEROUS PEDESTRIAN CONDITION WE HAVE IN THE CITY AND I CAN'T WAIT TO GET RID OF IT.  HEY AS SOMEONE WHO LIVES ON OLD TRACK BUREAU AND I TOTALLY AGREE I DO NOT WALK MY DOGS IN THAT AREA.  ANY OTHER QUESTIONS COMMENTS COMMISSIONER I THINK THE P AND P PROGRAM IS REALLY IT'S AMAZING. IT'S PROACTIVE.  YOU KNOW, IT INVOLVES ALL STAKEHOLDERS, NEIGHBORS.  THE QUESTION I HAD IS I KNOW YOU MENTIONED A DUAL PURPOSE ADDITION LIKE BOULEVARD TREES RIGHT?  IS THAT BEING CONSIDERED SPECIFICALLY SOMEWHERE OR IT WAS JUST KIND OF I GUESS I YEAH. CHAIR ALBRECHT COMMISSIONER ESA IT'S TOO SOON TO SAY AS I MENTIONED PARK AND REC IS WORKING ON A REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS TO LOOK AT OUR URBAN FORESTRY PROGRAM BUT IT IS ONE OF OUR GOALS AND WE HAVE THEY HAVE OUTLINED THAT IN THE REQUEST BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO THAT AND SEE HOW WE CAN DO THAT BETTER GOING FORWARD AT THIS TIME WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THE CONSULTANT TO THIS STUDY SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY RESULTS SO I CAN'T SAY OH YEAH WE'RE GOING TO PUT THEM ON THE STREET BUT WE UNDERSTAND THE FOR A DIVERSE TREE CANOPY WITH DIFFERENT SPECIES AND DIFFERENT AGES OF TREES AND I MENTIONED EARLIER THE URBAN HEAT ISLAND BUT AGAIN WE'RE ENGINEERS SO WE LIKE TO BALANCE RISK SOMETIMES WHEN YOU PUT A FIXED OBJECT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY IF A DRIVER LOSES CONTROL THERE IS AN OBJECT TO RUN INTO SO WE'RE NOT A BIG FAN OF THAT. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PUT THEM IN IN THE RIGHT SPOTS AND THAT THEY DO THE BEST GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY AND WEIGH ALL THE DIFFERENT RISKS.  THANK YOU. ONE MORE QUESTION AS FAR AS YOU KNOW WHEN YOU'RE I GUESS I'VE ALWAYS WONDERED THIS WHEN THE CITY HOW DOES A CITY HOW DO CONTRACTORS HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER PROJECT YOU KNOW, THE CITY PUTS UP IS IT LIKE THE CONTRACTORS BID TO ENSURE, YOU KNOW, THAT  HOW DO I EVEN WEAR THIS SOMETHING THAT SO LET'S SAY YOU KNOW FOR SIDEWALK FOR EXAMPLE WE WERE BUILDING SIDEWALK DO WE SEND OUT A BID FOR CONTRACTORS TO BID OR YOU KNOW HOW WE ENSURE THAT IT'S QUALITY AND ALSO WE'RE COST EFFECTIVE WITH TAX PAYERS MONEY ESSENTIALLY IS MY QUESTION. I CAN TAKE THAT ONE COMMISSIONER YOU WHERE WHEN WE WENT FOR ALL THESE PROJECTS YOU REALLY MENTIONED OR RECONSTRUCT PROJECTS AND OR OVERLAY PROJECTS IN OR TRAIL PROJECTS AS WELL WE GO OUT FOR BID FOR THOSE WE PUT THE DESIGN PACKAGE TOGETHER, WE PUT THE SPECIFICATIONS TOGETHER, WE PUT THE PLAN SETS TOGETHER AND THEN WE PUT THOSE OUT FOR BID FOR CONTRACTORS TO BID ON. WE HAVE A POOL OF CONTRACTORS THAT TYPICALLY BID ON OUR ON OUR PMP PROJECTS AND OUR PROJECTS IN GENERAL FOR THIS TRAILS OR PMP WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE AND, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO BE A MEET RESPONSIBLE CONTRACTOR REQUIREMENTS.  WE DO HAVE A LOT WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE A WELL WHAT WE USE IS LITTLE BIT A LITTLE BIT SO WE TAKE A LITTLE BIT FROM THE CONTRACTOR BUT WE THEY HAVE TO BE SURE THAT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE CONTRACTOR THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT THE RESPONSIBLE CONTRACTOR CERTIFICATIONS IF WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH THEM IN THE PAST AND WE HAVEN'T DONE THIS BEFORE BUT WE IF WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH THEM IN THE PAST WE'LL DISCUSS IT INTERNALLY IF NEED BE. BUT ULTIMATELY WE NEED TO GO WITH THE LOW BIDDER. WE HAVE A GOOD POOL OF CONTRACTORS THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH OVER THE YEARS BUT WE PUT A DESIGN PACKAGE OUT FOR BIDS FOR THE CONTRACTORS. WE HAVE A BID OPENING. WE GET THAT WE TAKE THE LOW BID, WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE THERE. ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT THEY THAT THEY'RE A RESPONSIBLE CONTRACTOR THAT ARE RESPONSIVE TO THE BID AND THEN WE'LL WE'LL AWARD THE LOW BID TO THAT CONTRACTOR.  DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YEAH, THAT MAKES TOTAL SENSE. THANK YOU. OKAY. YEAH, I HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS. ONE BEING THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING WHY WE DO CURB AND GUTTER BECAUSE I'VE ALWAYS WALKED DOWN STREETS WITH NO CURB AND GUTTER AND THOUGHT THIS IS ACTUALLY KIND OF NICE BUT NOW I UNDERSTAND SO THOSE HELPFUL AND IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE WHY WE DO IT. THE OTHER COMMENT THAT I HAVE IS ACTUALLY THIS IS A GREAT SLIDE I HAVE NOTICE WHEN YOU DRIVE TRUMP ROAD IN THIS AREA THAT PEOPLE DON'T NECESSARILY EVEN STAY WITHIN THE LINES WHO ARE DRIVERS. SO I THINK BECAUSE SOME OF THE CURVES ARE UNANTICIPATED FOR SOME DRIVERS IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA YOU TEND TO SPEED UP AND THEN IT BECOMES QUICK TO TURN AND SO THAT SHOULD BE A CONSIDERATION FOR A MULTI-USE TRAIL BECAUSE I DEFINITELY THINK THIS WOULD BE USEFUL FOR, YOU KNOW, A SAFE BIKE WAY PARTICULARLY TO GET DOWN TO THAT NATURE CENTER WILDLIFE REFUGE CENTER WITH STROLLERS AND KIDS AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF. SO THAT WOULD BE ONE COMMENT ABOUT THAT AREA.  TRICIA MCGOVERN MARION, WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, HAVE THEY CONSIDERED PUTTING RUMBLE STRIPS AND ALL CHALK TO KIND OF KEEP PEOPLE IN THEIR LANE FOR PEDESTRIANS, BIKERS OR JUST KEEPING THE CAR IN THE LANE?  IT'S A NICE SAFETY FEATURE TO HAVE BUT I KNOW THE PROS AND CONS OF THAT SO I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.  COMMISSION COMMISSIONER MCGOVERN IT'S SOMETHING CAN LOOK INTO. IT'S NOT NOT SOMETHING WE'VE TYPICALLY DONE IN THE PAST AS RUMBLE STRIPS BUT IT'S IT CAN BE ONE OF THE OPTIONS WITHIN OUR TRAFFIC CALMING TECHNIQUES . IT COULD BE ONE OF OUR TOOLS IN OUR TOOLBOX I GUESS IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'VE LOOKED AT OR DISCUSSED SPECIFICALLY ON OLD TRACK B ROAD BUT WE CAN TAKE NOTE OF THAT THEY RESTRICTED.  THANKS MADAM CHAIR AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS SO WHEN MAC PUT IN RUNWAY 1735 THERE IS THAT NEIGHBORHOOD DOWN THERE THAT GOT ABANDONED AND DEMOLISHED AND THERE'S STILL A COUPLE OF STREETS THERE ARE SOME CUL DE SACS ROUNDABOUTS OR WHATEVER STILL THERE THERE'S THE CITY ON THAT PAVEMENT AND IS THERE A PLAN TO TAKE IT OUT OR WHAT'S THE PLAN THERE?  CHAIR ALBRECHT COMMISSIONER COOKTOWN YES WE DO STILL OWN RIGHT OF WAY IN THAT AREA. WE ALSO A COUPLE OF THOSE LOTS ARE UNDER PROPOSAL FOR A REDEVELOPED AND SO THAT ROAD MAY GO AWAY IN THE INTERIM WE HAVEN'T LUCKILY IT KIND OF JINXED US HAD A WINDSTORM WHERE WE NEEDED TO USE THAT BUT THEN ONE OF THE PREVIOUS WINDSTORMS WE USED SOME OF THAT LAND TO HELP STAGE THE CLEAN UP AND THEN TAKE IT TO SAINT PAUL WHERE THEY USED THE DOWNFALL FOR ELECTRICITY.  SO WE'LL WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT IT. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S A SET PLAN UNTIL THERE'S AN ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION. OKAY, THANKS .  ALL RIGHT. DID YOU GET WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR FROM US?  WE DID AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR SUGGEST TIONS OF LOOKING AT THE CUL DE SACS RUMBLE STRIPS AND WE'VE GOT SO THANK YOU AND WE'LL BRING IT BACK IN JANUARY. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU MUCH. THANK YOU.  ALL RIGHT. WE ARE ON TO ITEM FOUR WHICH IS CONSIDERATION FOR APPROVAL OF THE DRAFT SEPTEMBER 5TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING SYNOPSIS LOOKING FOR A MOTION ON ITEM.  COMMISSIONER CUNNINGHAM COMMISSIONER ALBRECHT MYSELF WAS SURE COOKED IN COMMISSIONER ISA AND COMMISSIONER CURRIE WERE ALL IN ATTENDANCE.  COMMISSIONER MCGOVERN AND COMMISSIONER WHITE WERE NOT IN ATTENDANCE.  CHAIR. POINT OF ORDER QUESTIONS SINCE I HAD TO ABSTAIN DUE TO A CONFLICT OF INTEREST FROM ONE OF THE ITEMS. AM I PERMITTED TO APPROVE THESE MINUTES?  PLANNING MANAGER MARKET GUARD YES. CHAIR ALBRECHT I DON'T KNOW OF ANY RESTRICTION ON THAT.  YEAH. THANK YOU.  ALL RIGHT. COMMISSIONER COOKED IN CHERRY MOVED TO APPROVE THE PLANNING MEETING SYNOPSIS FROM SEPTEMBER 5TH 2024 IS PRESENTED. IS THERE A SECOND SECOND? ALL RIGHT.  THERE'S A MOTION IN A SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY I I I. ALL THOSE OPPOSED AND ANY WHO ABSTAIN I'VE SEEN. ALL RIGHT, THAT MOTION PASSES, ALL RIGHT? AND WE'RE ON TO ITEM FIVE WHICH IS A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING OR PLANNING COMMISSION POLICY ISSUES UPDATE PLANNING MANAGER MARKET GUARD YEAH TURNOVER IT AND COMMISSIONERS WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING IN ONE WEEK OCTOBER 10TH WE HAVE THREE ITEMS ON THAT AGENDA A PUBLIC HEARING ON OUR CHAPTER 19 TO CHAPTER 21 ORDINANCE PROBABLY THE LARGEST ORDINANCE YOU'LL EVER REVIEW IN TERMS PAGES ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEN WE HAVE TO STUDY IN THE SOUTH DISTRICT PLAN UPDATE INITIAL DISCUSSION ON THAT AND THEN UPDATE ON OUR MISCELLANEOUS ISSUES ORDINANCE AND THEN OCTOBER 24TH WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING SCHEDULED TO STUDY ITEMS ON THAT AGENDA SO FAR AND WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING AND THEN SECONDLY PART DEDICATION AND AND PLANNING STANDARDS THAT'S WHAT HAVE IN UPCOMING MEETINGS ANY ISSUES THAT COMMISSIONERS WILL LIKE TO BRING UP OR DISCUSS.  COMMISSIONER THANKS MADAM CHAIR. I THINK THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE PLANNING MANAGER. DO WE HAVE A LIMIT ON THE AMOUNT OF TIME AND APPLICANTS WE CAN SPEAK TO THEIR APPLICATION RECORD AND THE COMMISSION HAS NOTHING IN THEIR RULES OF PROCEDURE TERMS OF LIMITING AN APPLICANT. WE HAVE HAD SOME INTERNALLY ABOUT THAT CONCEPT SPECIFICALLY WITH THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT. WE WOULD HAVE CONCERNS WITH THAT AND WOULD NOT RECOMMEND IT ESPECIALLY IF THERE WAS YOU KNOW, A CONDITION OF APPROVAL MAYBE THAT THERE IS SOME DISAGREEMENT ON OR RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.  WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS SUFFICIENT TIME TO PRESENT THEIR FULL CASE AND IF THERE WERE A LEGAL CHALLENGE DOWN THE ROAD, IF THEY WERE LIMITED OR CONCERNED THAT THAT COULD BE A NEGATIVE FOR THE CITY AT THE SAME TIME CERTAINLY I REMEMBER I COULD,  YOU KNOW, REMIND APPLICANTS THAT YOU KNOW, THE OUR OR REQUEST THAT THEY CAN BRING THINGS TO CONCLUSION VERY SOMETIMES WHEN I'M SURE I THINK THERE'S A FEELING FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WELL GOSH THE APPLICANT GETS TO SPEAK FOR 25 MINUTES AND I ONLY GET 3 MINUTES AND IT FEELS A LITTLE UNFAIR TO THEM BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT'S HIS PERSPECTIVE. I DON'T THINK THERE'S MUCH WE CAN DO ABOUT IT BUT JUST WANTED TO VOICE THAT PERSPECTIVE. YEAH. THANK YOU.  I AGREE AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT MANAGING SORT OF AS WE'RE IN THE MEETING.  SO GOOD SUGGESTIONS THERE ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS?  ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE THAT IS THE CLOSE OF OUR THURSDAY, OCTOBER 3RD,  2024 MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION. THANK YOU