##VIDEO ID:h2N1DFblH5E##   MY NAME IS SHARON DURKIN, DISTRICT CITY COUNCILOR AND I'M THE CHAIR OF THE BOSTON CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE ON PLANNING DEVELOPMENT AND TRANSPORTATION. TODAY IS AUGUST EIGHT, 2020 FOR THE HEARING. THIS HEARING IS BEING RECORDED . IT IS BEING LIVESTREAMED AT BOSTON.COM. SLASH CITY COUNCIL . CITY DASH COUNCIL . DASH TV AND BROADCAST ON AN EXPANDED CHANNEL EIGHT RCN CHANNEL 82 FILES CHANNEL 964. WRITTEN COMMENTS MAY BE SENT TO THE COMMITTEE EMAIL AT C C C DOT PLAN DEV AT BOSTON.COM AND WILL BE MADE PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD AND AVAILABLE TO ALL COUNCILORS. PUBLIC TESTIMONY WILL BE TAKEN AT THE END OF THIS HEARING. INDIVIDUALS WILL BE CALLED UPON IN THE ORDER OF WHICH THEY'VE SIGNED UP AND WE HAVE AND WILL HAVE 2 MINUTES TO TESTIFY. IF YOU ARE IN TESTIFYING IN PERSON PLEASE ADD YOUR NAME TO THE SIGN UP SHEET NEAR THE ENTRANCE OF THE CHAMBER. IF YOU ARE LOOKING TO TESTIFY VIRTUALLY PLEASE EMAIL CENTRAL STAFF LIAISON RON COBB AT RON RON DOT COBB AT BOSTON.COM FOR THE LINK AND HER NAME WILL BE ADDED TO THE LIST. TODAY'S HEARING IS ON DOCKET OH 763. ORDER FOR A HEARING TO DISCUSS WAYS TO PREPARE AND MAINTAIN PRIVATE WAYS. THIS MATTER WAS SPONSORED BY COUNCILORS DURKIN BEN SORRY PEPPER AND WAS FIRST JUST THIS COUNCILORS PEPEN DURKIN AND EARL AND WAS REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE ON MAY 1ST 2024. TODAY I AM JOINED BY MY COLLEAGUES IN ORDER OF ARRIVAL COUNCILOR PEPEN AND COUNCILOR FLYNN. FIRST I'LL READ SOME OPENING REMARKS AND THEN WE'LL HAVE EACH OF OUR COLLEAGUES STARTING WITH STARTING WITH THE LEAD SPONSOR AND THEN WE WILL INTRODUCE OUR PANEL. SO COUNCILOR PEPEN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO START? ABSOLUTELY THANK YOU SO MUCH MADAM CHAIR, FOR HAVING US HERE TODAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE PANELISTS AND FOR ALL THE THE THOSE WHO ARE PROVIDING PUBLIC TESTIMONIES FOR JOINING THIS HEARING. I IT'S NO SURPRISE TO THE BOTH OF YOU HOW MUCH I'VE CARED ABOUT THIS ISSUE FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW.  I WANT TO START OFF BY JUST THANKING THE BOTH OF YOU ACTUALLY FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE SO FAR IN EDUCATING ME ABOUT PRIVATE WAYS AND FOR BEING SO OPEN MINDED ABOUT HOW WE CAN MAKE THIS EVEN BETTER.  LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS CONVERSATION AND I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS TO GET US STARTED. BUT FIRST I WANTED TO JUST EXTEND THE APPRECIATION TO THE TEAMS FOR COORDINATING TO ENSURE THAT NO NEWLY INCORPORATED STREETS BECOME PRIVATE WAYS.  AN OUNCE OF PREVENTION IS WORTH A POUND OF CURE AND I THINK THAT THAT'S THE RIGHT PLACE TO START AND THE REASON THE DAY I GOT REALLY INTO PRIVATE WAYS WAS WHEN I WAS INTRODUCED TO MAPLE LEAF DRIVE IN HYDE PARK AND IT WAS ABOUT THE BETTERMENT PROJECT.  AND TO MY UNDERSTANDING THIS WAS A STREET THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A PUBLIC STREET OR AT LEAST PROPERLY OVERSEEN SO THAT IT DOES MEET CITY STANDARDS. BUT AT SOME POINT THERE WAS AN OVERLAP NICELY AND THE BRIGADE DID NOT PROPERLY OVERSEE THE DEVELOPER AND ALLOWED AN UNFINISHED STREET IN HOMES TO GET THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY.  ONCE THE DEVELOPER HAD THE THE HE HAD THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY HE HAD NOTHING KEEPING HIM ON SITE TO FINISH THE JOB. AND NOW I'VE HEARD THAT BEFORE I EVEN BECAME A COUNCILOR FROM RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ON THAT STREET HOW THE CONDITION OF THE STREET IS CAUSING THEIR LIVES TO BE IMPACTED.  AND THEN NOW THAT I'M A DISTRICT COUNCILOR FOR DISTRICT FIVE WHICH REPRESENTS RATHER THAN THE HYDE PARK IN MATTAPAN WHICH IS PROBABLY A DISTRICT WITH A LOT OF THE PRIVATE WAYS IN OUR CITY, I JUST CONTINUE CONTINUOUSLY HEAR COMPLAINTS FROM RESIDENTS OF THEIR PAYING TAXES.  WHY IS IT MY STREET PAY? HOW CAN WE GET A PAY WITH HOW DO WE MAKE IT INTO A PUBLIC?  WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THERE'S A SNOW EMERGENCY? WHAT HAPPENS IF THERE'S A FIRE TRUCK TRYING TO COME DOWN MY STREET? THERE'S JUST A TON OF QUESTIONS. I THINK THAT I WOULD LOVE TO START OFF BY UNDERSTANDING WHY THERE IS SO MANY PRIVATE WAYS. WHAT ARE THE RESPONSIBILITIES OF RESIDENTS LIVE ON A PRIVATE WAY AND THEN CONTINUE ON THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT ARE SOME POSSIBLE HOW WE CAN ALLEVIATE THOSE CONCERNS FROM THE RESIDENTS. BUT OVERALL, AS YOU CAN SEE I'M VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS LOOKING FORWARD TO HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.  AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. COUNCILOR PIPPEN.  AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP ON THIS ISSUE. NEXT WE'LL TURN MY COLLEAGUE COUNCILOR ED FLYNN. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND THANK YOU COUNCILOR PEPEN AS WELL. THANK YOU TO THE ADMINISTRATION TEAM THAT IS HERE. I ALSO LIKE COUNCILOR PEP AND I ALSO HAVE MANY PRIVATE WAYS IN DISTRICT TOO INCLUDING MANY IN THE SOUTH END.  AND ONE OF THE ISSUES I HAVE WORKED ON FOR AN EXTENSIVE PERIOD OF TIME WITH THEN CITY COUNCILOR WILL OBVIOUSLY NOW MAYOR WILL BUT IS AN ISSUE WITH THE WATER AND SEWER IN PRIVATE ALLEYS AND THE IMPACT THESE PRIVATE SEWERS HAVE ON RESIDENTS WHEN THERE IS DISRUPTION IN WATER AND SEWER RELATED ISSUES IN THE ALLEY NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED BY THE WATER AND SEWER. WHO PAYS THE BILLS? HOW DO WE HOW DO WE COORDINATE IN TALKING TO THE RESIDENTS IMPACTED AND WHAT IS THE STRATEGY GOING FORWARD? LIKE COUNCILOR PEPEN MENTIONED ON POTHOLES ON PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES, JURISDICTION ISSUES SO I'M HERE TO LISTEN. I'M HERE TO LEARN ABOUT THIS AND SEE HOW WE CAN WORK TOGETHER. THANK YOU AND THANK YOU SO MUCH COUNCILOR FLYNN. I THINK YOU HAVE PERFECT ATTENDANCE IN THE PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR FOCUS TOO ON ALL OF THESE ISSUES. I'LL READ MY OPENING STATEMENT AND THEN WE'LL LET OUR TWO PANELIST AND I THINK WE'LL HAVE A THIRD THAT'S JOINING US VIRTUALLY. WE'LL LET THEM GIVE AN OPENING STATEMENT AS WELL. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO ILLUMINATING DISCUSSION ON A SEEMINGLY INTRACTABLE PROBLEM THE COUNTRY BUT IS ESPECIALLY ACUTE IN BOSTON. WHAT IS THE BEST SOLUTION REGARDING THE STEWARDSHIP OF PRIVATE WAYS AND STREETS IN OUR CITY? MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS HAVE PRIVATE WAYS THAT ARE IN VARIOUS STATES OF DISREPAIR AND CAN CAUSE REAL ISSUES SURROUNDING PUBLIC SAFETY UTILITY MAINTENANCE AND EMERGENCY ACCESS. ACCORDING TO THE BOSTON STREET BOOK, THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 1400 AND POTENTIALLY 2000 PRIVATE WAYS ACROSS THE CITY AND I THINK THAT THOSE MIGHT BE ADDRESSES NOT PRIVATE WAYS I'M NOT SURE BUT MAYBE WE CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION HIGHLIGHTING THE SCALE OF THE ISSUE. WHILE THESE PROBLEMS MAY FALL ON NEIGHBORS THAT DO NOT HAVE THE FINANCIAL ABILITY TO MAKE REPAIRS, ECONOMIC CONSTRAINTS THAT ARE NOT ONLY DETERMINE ECONOMIC CONSTRAINTS ARE NOT THE ONLY DETERMINING FACTOR IN HOW THESE PRIVATE WAYS ARE MAINTAINED.  OFTEN MY IN MY DISTRICT THE LACK OF AGREEMENT, LACK OF COLLECTIVE ACTION OR COORDINATING IS MANY TIMES AN EVEN GREATER LIMITATION THAT THIS COUNCIL WILL HAVE AN IMPORTANT ROLE TO PLAY IN FINDING A SOLUTION THAT WORKS FOR OUR CITY AND OUR RESIDENTS AND PARTNERING WITH THE ADMINISTRATION AND EXPERTS LIKE WE HAVE TODAY TO HELP US BRING US CLOSER TO A SOLUTION.  BUT I'D BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T MENTION THAT A LOT OF OUR CURRENT STREETS THAT WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR DON'T OFTEN GET THE LOVE AND CARE THAT THEY DESERVE. SO STRIKING A BALANCE HERE OF BOTH FINDING A PATH FORWARD ON HOW TO DELIVER FOR RESIDENTS WHO ARE IN A SITUATION BUT ALSO MAKING SURE THAT IN IN ALL WAYS WE'RE BOTH DELIVERING ON THE THE STREETS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE RESPONSIBILITY FOR. AND IN MY DISTRICT WE HAVE SO MANY DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS OF OF OF OF CARE FOR STREETS AND ROADWAYS FROM YOU KNOW FROM ONES THAT ARE IN THE CITY'S JURISDICTIONS AND ONES THAT ARE AND OTHERS.  AND I THINK IT'S A COMPLICATED ISSUE OF HOW WE MAINTAIN STREETS AND AND ALSO WHAT RESIDENCY AS A CITY STREET MIGHT NOT BE THE SAME AS AS WHAT AS WHO JURISDICTION AND WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY.  SO AS MUCH AS WE CAN I THINK THIS HEARING IS AN OPPORTUNITY RESIDENTS AND THE PUBLIC AND THE CITY COUNCIL ON WHAT THE CITY IS DOING AND WHAT WE CAN DO AND WHAT OUR LIMITATIONS ARE . SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A DISCUSSION. SO WE HAVE TODD LIMING HERE, THE CHIEF ENGINEER FOR THE FOR PICK THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT COMMISSION AND THE CITY AND THE CITY OF BOSTON PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT AND WE HAVE CHIEF JOSHUA FRANKLYN HODGE HERE THE CHIEF OF STREETS AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE SOMEONE FROM WATER AND SEWER WHO IS ON ZOOM BUT I THINK WE'LL SEE WHEN THEY APPEAR SO TODD AND CHIEF ARE DO YOU WANT TO GIVE AN OPENING STATEMENT?  THANK YOU, COUNCILOR . THANK YOU FOR CALLING THIS HEARING AND BRINGING ATTENTION TO THIS COUNCILORS FOR BRINGING ATTENTION TO THIS ISSUE. I KNOW THAT THIS THE CHALLENGE OF PRIVATE WAYS CROPS UP IN MANY PLACES IN THE CITY AND IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS AND THE ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH PRIVATE WAYS CAN BE DIFFERENT BETWEEN IN THE SOUTH END AND BACK BAY AND HYDE PARK AND EAST BOSTON. BUT THE PROBLEM AS A WHOLE IS ONE THAT'S CAN BE QUITE VEXING AND THAT I THINK THE CITY HAS HAD LONG STANDING CHALLENGES SORT OF MAKING SURE THAT RESIDENTS HAVE THE SERVICES THAT THEY NEED WHILE ALSO AS YOU CORRECTLY NOTED BALANCING HOW WE ALLOCATE LIMITED RESOURCES ACROSS DIFFERENT STREETS WITH DIFFERENT KINDS OF OWNERSHIP. I DON'T HAVE A LENGTHY OPENING STATEMENT PREPARED SO I WILL KEEP IT BRIEF AND JUST SAY YOU KNOW, WE ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY ABOUT THE CURRENT STATE OF PRIVATE WAYS AND EXPLORE WITH THE COUNCIL POTENTIAL PATHWAYS TO IMPROVING THE CURRENT STATE.  BUT I COME TO THIS CHAMBER WITH THE A DEGREE OF HUMILITY ON BEHALF OF THE CITY KNOWING THAT THERE ARE SOME THERE ARE SOME VERY CHALLENGING AND UNRESOLVED ISSUES IN THIS SPACE AND WE WANT TO BE AS AN ADMINISTRATION GOOD PARTNERS WITH THE COUNCIL AND THE COMMUNITY IN TRYING TO FIND WAYS TO IMPROVE IT. BUT RECOGNIZING THAT THESE ARE THESE ARE NOT SIMPLE PROBLEMS AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME WORK AND TIME AND INVESTMENT BY MANY FOLKS TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO IMPROVE UPON THE STATUS QUO . THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHIEF TODD. AND THEN I'LL JUST MENTION THAT WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY JOHN SULLIVAN FROM BOS WATER AND SEWER COMMISSION. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. JUST JOHN WILL I'LL GO TO TODD FOR AN OPENING STATEMENT AND THEN I'D LOVE TO HEAR YOUR OPENING STATEMENT AS WELL. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR . I DON'T REALLY HAVE TOO MUCH TO ADD TO WHAT THE CHIEF HAS SAID. I APPRECIATE THE TIME THAT YOU GUYS HAVE OFFERED TO US TO DISCUSS THIS TOPIC AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU IN THE FUTURE ON IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH, JOHN. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE AND THANKS FOR ALLOWING US TO TALK ABOUT THE ISSUE OF THE PRIVATE WASTE.  AGAIN, LIKE THE TWO BEFORE ME I DON'T HAVE A DIRECT OPENING STATEMENT. HOWEVER WE ARE PREPARED TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. WE HAVE A LOT OF INVOLVEMENT WITH PRIVATE WASTE THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND MANY ISSUES AS COUNCIL OFTEN HAD MENTIONED WHERE WE HAVE PRIVATE SEWERS IN PRIVATE WASTE AND AS WE GO THROUGH AND WE DISCUSS FURTHER WE'LL DISCUSS EACH OF THE OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE FOR PEOPLE TO BECOME PARTNERS THAT HAVE PUBLIC SEWERS IN THEIR PRIVATE WAYS AND WE CAN ALSO EXPLAIN HOW WE DEAL WITH DRAINAGE ON THESE PRIVATE WASTE . SO WITH THAT COUNCIL IS WE'RE HERE TO PREPARE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ANYONE HAS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH, JOHN. AND I'LL JUST ACKNOWLEDGE WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY COUNCILOR WEBER . COUNCILOR WEBER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE AN OPENING STATEMENT? SURE, YEAH, I THINK THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND AND THANK YOU TO COUNCILOR DURKIN AND PEPEN FOR FOR BRINGING THIS.  AS A NINE YEAR RESIDENT IN A PRIVATE WAY IN JAMAICA PLAIN ITALY TERRACE I DEALT WITH THE PROS AND CONS OF LIVING ON ONE AND HAVING SHOVELED OUT MY STREET BY MYSELF OR MY UPSTAIRS NEIGHBOR. I KNOW HOW HARD IT CAN BE ON THE BACKS AND SHOULDERS AND AND THE ISSUES THAT COME UP WITH IT. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO BEING PART OF THIS AND THANKS FOR GIVING ME THE CHANCE TO SPEAK. THANKS. FIRSTHAND PERSPECTIVE IS ALWAYS REALLY IMPORTANT SO THANK YOU SO MUCH COUNCILOR WEBER. SO I THINK PEOPLE WILL GO AHEAD AND WE'LL START WITH QUESTIONS AND WE'LL START WITH THE LEAD SPONSOR COUNCILOR GRIFFIN. COUNCILOR PIPPEN, YOU HAVE 6 MINUTES. THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHAIR.  I'LL WAIT UNTIL THE MICROPHONE . OKAY. MY MY FIRST QUESTION FOR YOU ALL IS REGARDING THE BETTERMENT PROJECT AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS HAS BEEN THE PROCESS OF HOW TO CONVERT PRIVATE WAYS TO A PUBLIC WAY. AND THE REASON WHY I BRING THIS UP IS THIS IS WHAT MAPLE LEAF DRIVE IS TRYING TO DO. I RECEIVED ONE OF THE LETTERS FROM ONE OF THE RESIDENTS WHO HAD JUST EXPRESSED THAT THEY STARTED THE PROCESS BACK IN 2020. OBVIOUSLY COVID HAPPENED AND IT'S STILL ON HOLD AND THEY STILL THEY DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE. WHERE ARE WE ON THE BETTERMENT PROJECT? IS THERE ANY UPDATE ON ON THAT AND WHAT'S THE NEXT STEPS? SURE. SO FOR MAPLE LEAF DRIVE SPECIFICALLY THEY CAME TO US AS YOU MENTIONED BACK IN 2019 2020 AND AT THAT TIME WE HAD HAD ALL OF OUR BETTERMENT PROJECTS ON HOLD BECAUSE OF COVID, BECAUSE OF DIGITAL EQUITY ISSUES AND OTHER COMMUNITY OUTREACH ISSUES . WE ARE BACK AND ACTIVELY ENGAGING IN THOSE TYPES OF PROJECTS AND WE ARE TAKING THEM IN ORDER. SO MAPLE LEAF DRIVE IS ONE OF THE NEXT ONES THAT WE DO INTEND TO WORK ON. WE'VE ACTUALLY BEEN IN ACTIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH JOHN AND HIS STAFF AT THE WATER AND SEWER COMMISSION ABOUT WHAT IS GOING TO NEED TO HAPPEN WITH THE DRAINAGE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THAT STREET IN ORDER TO POSSIBLY TURN THE MAPLE LEAF DRIVE AND ONE OF THE OTHER STREETS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD PUBLIC STILL WORKING ON IT. WE CERTAINLY HOPE TO HAVE ANSWERS FOR THOSE RESIDENTS AS SOON AS WE CAN.  NOW I APPRECIATE THAT TOO BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN A IT'S BEEN QUITE SOME TIME SINCE THEY STARTED THE PROCESS AND THEY'RE ANTSY AND AND I THINK THAT WE JUST HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING THE UPDATE FROM BOTH FROM WHAT I SAW WHAT CAN BE DONE ON MAPLE LEAF DRIVE.  BUT I ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT NOT EVERY SINGLE RESIDENT WANTS TO CONVERT THEIR PRIVATE WAY TO A PUBLIC WAY BUT THEY STILL HAVE THE QUESTIONS OF WHAT CAN BE DONE ON OUR STREETS. I HAD SOME CONVERSATION WITH RESIDENTS THAT ARE INTERESTED IN JUST POTENTIALLY JUST PAVING OR EVEN FILLING. THERE AREN'T EVEN POTHOLES ANYMORE. THEY'RE CRATERS. I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF THEIR STREET WHICH HAS CAUSED LITERAL DAMAGE TO THEIR VEHICLES OR IN SOME OCCASIONS I HEARD THAT EVEN A POLICE OFFICERS CRUISER THEIR TIRE POPPED IN ONE OF THE STREETS. SO WHICH LEADS ME TO THE QUESTION OF DOES THE CITY HAVE A D PART WHERE IT STORES ASPHALT OR OTHER MATERIALS THAT COULD BE SOLD TO PRIVATE COMPANIES OR OUR NEIGHBORS AT A LOWER COST BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT IT IS EXPENSIVE TO PAVE A PRIVATE WAY. SO I WONDER IF THERE IS A POSSIBLE SOLUTION OR AN IDEA OF WHERE WE CAN LOWER THE COST FOR RESIDENTS WHERE WE ARE USING ALREADY RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE. TO MY KNOWLEDGE WE DO NOT HAVE ANY SORT OF PHYSICAL STORAGE FACILITY FOR MATERIALS THAT CAN BE USED IN ROADWAY REPAIRS ON PRIVATE WAYS.  THERE ARE RESOURCES ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE TO BETTER BUSINESS BUREAU APPROVED CONTRACTORS THAT DO PAVING WORK . THERE HAS BEEN DISCUSSION IN THE PAST ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE CITY COULD PARTICIPATE IN SOME SORT OF BULK PROCUREMENT PURCHASING PROGRAM THAT WOULD ALLOW THIS RECEIVE RESIDENTS THE TROUBLE OF HAVING TO GO THROUGH THAT PURCHASING PROCESS THEMSELVES.  I THINK IT'S AN IDEA VERY MUCH WORTH EXPLORING. I WILL SAY THAT THE CITY'S APPROACH TO PURCHASING SERVICES IS OFTEN MORE EXPENSIVE THAN WHAT INDEPENDENT PERSON MIGHT FIND ON THE PUBLIC MARKET BECAUSE OF REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE WHEN YOU BID AND THE SORT OF SOME OF THE REGULATORY PROCESSES THAT EXIST AROUND CITY CONTRACTING. AND SO I THINK IT'S WORTH EXPLORING TO SEE IF THAT ACTUALLY IS A VIABLE STRATEGY FOR REDUCING THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THESE REPAIRS. BUT THAT'S THAT'S REALLY BEEN THE PRIMARY THING THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED. OKAY. THAT'S VERY A VERY GOOD IDEA. EVEN IN WHEN WE SPEAKING ABOUT RECYCLED MATERIALS OR JUST TO USE WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE THE CITY BUYS IN BULK, I THINK THAT THAT'S EVEN A GOOD IDEA TO TO EXPLORE.  MY THING IS IF CITY VEHICLES THAT ARE SIMPLY SCHOOL BUSSES ARE USING THESE ROADS, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION WHEN WE ARE THINKING ABOUT PAVING OR NOT PAVING ONE OF THOSE STREETS. WHICH LEADS ME TO MY NEXT QUESTION. A LOT OF THE STREETS THAT ARE PRIVATE IN MY DISTRICT ARE THOROUGH WAYS SO WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A DEAD END PRIVATE WAY AND A SORT OF IN A THIRD STREET PRIVATE WAY. IN THOSE PRIVATE WAYS WHAT WE DID WE WERE WE WERE GOING AROUND TO THE RESIDENTS ASKING THEM WHO LIVE ON THE THIRD WAY. WHAT IS SOME OF THE HESITATIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE ABOUT PAYING FOR THIS YOURSELF AND THAT THEY WOULD SPEND INDIVIDUALLY 5 TO $10000 EACH AND THEN OBVIOUSLY PAY FOR IT BUT THEN VEHICLES THAT ARE CUTTING THROUGH ARE DESTROYING THE STREET AGAIN SO THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'RE NOT IT'S GONE TO WASTE. THAT INVESTMENT IS NOT WORTH INVESTING IN.  AND MY QUESTION IS DO WE HAVE WE EXPLORED THE IDEA OF KIND OF HOW CAN YOU DEPARTMENT IMPLEMENT A SIMPLE PROCESS FOR NEIGHBORS TO APPLY FOR DIVIDERS OR FLEX POST OR PETITION TO ABANDON THAT CENTER PART OF THE STREET SO IT CUTS OFF THAT FLOW OF TRAFFIC CONSIDERING IT IS A PRIVATE WAY? HAVE WE EXPLORED THAT BECAUSE I KNOW THAT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE CITY WORKS WITH COMPANIES LIKE GOOGLE MAPS, WAZE AND APPLE MAPS TO REMOVE PRIVATE WAZE FROM THE G.P.S..  HAVE WE EXPLORED THAT IDEA SO THERE'S A THERE'S A SERIES OF LEGAL QUESTIONS EMBEDDED IN THAT THAT I WANT TO JUST START BY SAYING I'M NOT A LAWYER AND I'M NOT STEEPED IN THE CASE LAW AND HISTORY OF ALL OF THE STATUTORY REGULATIONS REGARDING PRIVATE WAZE.  THE PRIVATE WAZE IN THE CITY OF BOSTON ARE TYPICALLY PRIVATE WAZE OPEN TO PUBLIC TRAVEL. AND SO THERE IS A LEGAL RIGHT THAT THE PUBLIC HAS TO TRAVERSE THOSE PRIVATE WAYS BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY ARE PRIVATE, THAT MEANS THAT THEY'RE TRAVERSING THE WAY AS IT IS MAINTAINED OR NOT BY THE ABUTTERS WHO ARE ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.  I THINK THERE ARE SOME ELEMENTS OF THE PRIVATE WAY THE MANAGEMENT OF THE PRIVATE WAY BEYOND JUST THE PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURE THAT ARE LEFT IN THE HANDS OF ABUTTERS SO FOR EXAMPLE A PRIVATE WITH THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE ALONG A PRIVATE WAY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR SETTING THEIR OWN PARKING REGULATIONS AND ENFORCING THOSE REGULATIONS . AND SO YOU CANNOT AS A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC PARK ON A PRIVATE WAY IF IT IS SCIENCE AND YOU CANNOT PARK THERE. THERE ARE ALSO I THINK MANY THERE ARE CERTAINLY WE HAVE HEARD FROM SOME FOLKS IN PRIVATE WAYS THAT THE STATE OF REPAIR OF THE PRIVATE WAYS IN FACT EVEN WHEN IT IS A THROUGH STREET IN SOME CASES A DETERRENT TO PEOPLE TRAVELING THROUGH BECAUSE IT IS YOU KNOW AND THERE'S SOME CONCERN ABOUT WHAT HOW MUCH TRAFFIC A SMOOTHLY PAVED STREET MIGHT DRAW. SO ULTIMATELY RESIDENTS WHO WHO LIVE ALONG A PRIVATE WAY DO NOT HAVE THE LEGAL RIGHT TO OBSTRUCT IT SUCH THAT PEOPLE CANNOT TRAVEL THROUGH.  BUT MOST OF THE OTHER DECISIONS ABOUT HOW THAT STREET IS MANAGED IS LEFT IN THE HANDS OF RESIDENTS. AND SO ANY SORT OF CHANGE TO THAT WOULD RESULT IN LIKELY RESIDENTS LOSING A LOT OF THE CONTROL THAT THEY ENJOY OVER HOW THE USE AND THE SET UP OF THE STREET.  BUT WE CERTAINLY DO HAVE THE BETTERMENT PROCESS AVAILABLE TO US IF THERE IS A DESIRE ON THE PART OF THE MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS ON A STREET TO CONVERT IT BACK INTO A PUBLIC WAY. OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THAT BUT THERE'S EXPENSES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AND IN SOME CASES NECESSARY PHYSICAL CHANGES TO THE STREET THAT MAY ADVERSELY IMPACT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE. AND I THINK THIS IS GOING THIS CONVERSATION IS GOING IN A GREAT DIRECTION. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I GIVE EVERYONE A SECOND ROUND BECAUSE I THINK COUNCILOR RIPPON, I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT MORE QUESTIONS SO I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY COUNCILOR BRIAN MORRELL WHO IS A WHO IS OUR CO-SPONSOR OF THIS HEARING ORDER. SO I THINK FIRST WILL DO YOU WANT TO GIVE AN OPENING STATEMENT COUNCILOR ROWE THANK YOU. THANK YOU GUYS FOR BEING HERE. I KNOW WE HAVE HAD THIS DISCUSSION A FEW TIMES ONE OVER STELLA ROAD.  YOU KNOW I KNOW THAT WAS ONE PLACE THAT WE'RE STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT SOME SOLUTIONS BUT ALSO JUST A BROADER CONVERSATION AROUND THIS. BUT THEN OVER THE ANN ARBOR COMMENT THAT WAS A COMMUNITY THAT WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND I BELIEVE THAT PROCESS TOOK WAS IT FOUR YEARS, FIVE YEARS I CAN'T REMEMBER HOW LONG IT WAS BUT YOU KNOW, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN THAT. BUT I DO THINK THAT THERE I'M HOPING THAT THAT THERE'S YOU KNOW, TO YOUR POINT A WAY THAT THE CITY CAN HOW NEIGHBORHOODS THAT MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH THE YOU KNOW 4000 $5,000 PER UNIT TO YOU KNOW GET THESE ROADS UP TO CODE . I THINK THAT'S WHERE MY ADVOCACY IS IS LIKE WHAT TYPE OF PROGRAM WHAT TYPE OF ASSISTANCE CAN WE SET UP TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST A ROAD BECAUSE IT'S ALSO MY UNDERSTANDING IT'S THE LIGHT IS THE EVERYTHING ELSE ON THE GROUND. I THINK IT'S THE BOSTON WATER SEWER PIPES THAT ALSO NEEDS TO BE REPLACED AND SOMETIMES THOSE ARE THOSE ARE MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THE ACTUAL ROAD, SIDEWALK AND STREET COST. SO I JUST WANTED TO SEE LIKE WHAT FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN THINKING AROUND, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY FOR THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE MORE LOW TO MODERATE INCOME LIKE WHAT ASSISTANCE CAN WE CAN WE CREATE?  COUNCILOR DO YOU WANT THEM TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION? I FORGOT IT WAS THE OPENING STATEMENT.  YEAH, YEAH. IF YOU GUYS GET THROUGH. YEAH I THINK AS A AS A SPONSOR YEAH. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, SURE I'LL TAKE A CRACK AT IT AND I THINK MR SULLIVAN MAY HAVE SOME THOUGHTS AS WELL FROM THE WATER AND SEWER SIDE. I MEAN WHEN IT COMES TO STREETS AS OF RIGHT NOW WE DO NOT HAVE A PROGRAM TO PROVIDE FUNDING FOR STREET BETTERMENT BUT THE COSTS OF STREET BETTERMENT ARE SHARED BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE RESIDENTS. SO THERE IS SOME FINANCIAL SUPPORT SORT OF IMPLICIT IN THAT COST SHARING ARRANGEMENT BUT THERE'S NO PART OF MONEY THAT RESIDENTS CAN APPLY TO TO FUND THEIR PORTION OF THE BETTERMENT AND NO BUDGET ALLOCATION FOR THAT AND TO MY KNOWLEDGE NO STATUTORY AUTHORITY TO SORT OF ISSUE ALTERNATIVE PAYMENTS STRUCTURES ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS OR NEEDS OR NEEDS ASSESS BASIS. SO THAT IS I THINK FUNDAMENTALLY A CHALLENGE WE DID DISCUSS EARLIER THE IDEA OF EXPLORING BULK PURCHASING OF SERVICES AS A WAY TO POTENTIALLY LOWER SOME OF THE COSTS BUT THAT HAS ITS OWN SET OF COMPLEXITIES ASSOCIATED WITH IT. BETTERMENT ARE I SHOULD I SHOULD DRAW MAYBE A QUICK DISTINCTION TOO BETWEEN BETTERMENT AND REPAVING RESIDENTS CAN REPAVE THE STREET ON THEIR OWN WITHOUT GOING THROUGH THE BETTERMENT PROCESS SO A GROUP OF RESIDENTS CAN COME TOGETHER, FIND THE MONEY, HIRE A PERSON TO DO THE WORK THEY DO NOT HAVE TO WHEN THEY DO THAT ADDRESS ANYTHING ELSE ON THE STREET UNLESS THEY DESIRE TO. RIGHT. SO THEY WOULD NOT HAVE TO PUT IN PLACE SIDEWALK SO THEY DON'T LOSE CONTROL OF THE STREET PARKING REGULATIONS.  THEY CAN INSTALL SPEED HUMPS IF THEY WISH THEY CAN THEY HAVE A LOT OF FREEDOM WHEN IT COMES TO DOING THEIR OWN WORK ON THE STREET. THE BETTERMENT PROCESS IS THE PROCESS BY WHICH A PRIVATE WAY IS CONVERTED INTO A PUBLIC WAY AND TYPICALLY WHEN THAT HAPPENS THE COST INVOLVED ARE THOSE ASSOCIATED WITH BRINGING UP ALL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE ABOVE AND BELOW GROUND TO A CITY STANDARD LEVEL AND THOSE COSTS CAN IN MANY CASES BE SUBSTANTIALLY IF NOT ORDER OF MAGNITUDE HIGHER BECAUSE OF THE WORK CERTAINLY RELATED TO WATER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE. BUT EVEN ON THE STREET PEOPLE TYPICALLY LOOK TO MAKE STREETS THAT ARE ADA ACCESSIBLE AND MEET GUIDELINES THAT HAVE PROPER SIDEWALKS, THAT HAVE CURB CUTS, THAT HAVE ALL OF THE THINGS THAT WE WOULD EXPECT TO HAVE IN ANY PUBLIC WAY. AND THOSE COSTS ARE DRAMATICALLY MORE THAN SIMPLY THE COST OF REPAVING A STREET.  BUT JOHN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADD ANYTHING FROM THE WATER AND SEWER SIDE.  WELL, YEAH, IN MANY PRIVATE WAYS THERE IS AN EXISTING WATER PIPE OWNED BY THE BUS WATER SEWER AND WE MAINTAIN IT IF WE NEED TO GO AND DO REPAIRS IN THE PARTICULAR PIPE WE WILL RESTORE THE PRIVATE WAY TO A BETTER CONDITION THAN WHEN WE WENT IN. SO THAT'S WHERE WE ALREADY OWN A PIPE. SO MANY MANY OF THE PRIVATE WAYS HAVE WATER ON THE SEWERS. PEOPLE CHOSE THEM A LOT OF PLACES PRIVATE SEWERS IN THE PRIVATE WAYS AND THOSE CONDITIONS WE WE SUGGEST TO THEM THAT THEY COULD GET UP TO THE BETTERMENT POLICY WHICH IS SIMILAR TO THE CITY'S BEDROOM POLICY WHERE THEY PETITION US.  WE'LL TAKE A LOOK. IF WE CAN BUILD THE SEWER WE CAN GO BUILD IT THEY WOULD PAY FOR. CURRENTLY THE BETTERMENT POLICY REQUIRES 50% PAYMENT BY THE COMMISSION, 50% BY THE PETITIONERS, THE LANDOWNERS.  WE CAN PUT THAT ON A 20 YEAR REPAYMENT SCHEDULE SIMILAR TO THE CITY.  SO THERE'S WAYS FOR PEOPLE TO MAKE PRIVATE UTILITIES THAT ARE IN THE PUBLIC WAY IN THE PRIVATE WAYS THEY CAN MAKE THEM PUBLIC. WE DO NOT DRAIN PUBLIC WASTE.  WE DO NOT BUILD DRAINAGE SYSTEMS IN THE PRIVATE WAY SO CONTINUED TO BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PRIVATE WAY OWNERS.  SO WE WE ALSO HAVE IF YOU HAVE A PRIVATE WAY YOU HAVE A PRIVATE SEWER AND THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THE SEWER WE HAVE A A PROGRAM WHERE WE GIVE UP TO $8,000 PER LATERAL TO HELP YOU MAKE THE REPAIRS ON THOSE LATERALS IF THEY'RE IN FACT THEY'VE BROKEN. THAT'S THE MATTER OF THE BUILDING OWNERS COMING TO US. WE WORK WITH THEM AND WE COME UP WITH OUR RESOLUTION. SO THERE ARE OUT ON THEM BUT THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT CONDITIONS IN THIS CITY WHERE WE OWN SOME THINGS WE DON'T OWN BOTH FOR INSTANCE ON MAPLE LEAF LANE WE JUST DISCUSSING THAT THE WATER AND SEWER WE'VE WORKED WITH THE DEVELOPER, WE OWN THOSE AND WE HAVE AN EASEMENT IN THAT STREET OVER THE DRAINAGE WAS VERY COMPLICATED. THEY CHOSE NOT TO DO IT. THERE ARE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS ON THE DEEDS OF EVERY HOMEOWNER SAYING THAT A DRAINAGE SYSTEM WOULD HAVE TO BE BROUGHT UP TO ALL WATER SEWER COMMISSION STANDARDS BEFORE WE BECOME A PUBLIC WAY SOMETHING WE'RE WORKING WITH THE PNC ON TO SEE IF WE CAN GET THAT TAKE CARE OF . SO EACH INDIVIDUAL PRIVATE WAY HAS ITS OWN SET OF CIRCUMSTANCES AND I CAN'T GENERALIZE ACROSS THE BOARD EXCEPT THAT IF THEY'RE ADDRESSING WATER WE OWN IT. WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT AND WE'LL MAKE WHATEVER REPAIRS ARE NECESSARY.  I GUESS MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE PRIVATE WAY IS OLD STATE STATE LAW. RIGHT. AND IT'S IT FEELS LIKE THE ONLY WAY TO KIND OF , YOU KNOW, PUT THE BETTERMENT RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY IS TO CHANGE THAT STATE LAW.  I BELIEVE DEVELOPERS WHEN THEY WERE DEVELOPING COULD MAKE THE DECISION THEY WANTED TO BECOME A PUBLIC WAY THEY CAN ASK TO PETITION EVER LAID OUT BY THE CITY.  THEY WOULD APPROACH US, THEY WOULD BUILD US NEW SYSTEM WE WOULD ACCEPT THEM AND IT WOULD HAVE BECOME A PUBLIC WAY RIGHT OFF THE BAT AN EXAMPLE OF ONE IN THE CITY WAS CULLEN STREET IN WEST ROXBURY WHERE IT ORIGINALLY WAS BUILT AS A PRIVATE WAY AND THERE WAS A PRIVATE SEWER AND WHAT THEY DID WAS THEY PETITIONED BOTH PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT AND OURSELVES. WE BOTH WORKED WITH THEM BUILT NEW FACILITIES WHERE NECESSARY AND NOW IT'S A PUBLIC WAY. IT'S WE CONTROL BOTH THE DRAINAGE BECAUSE THEY BUILT THE NEW SYSTEM THE SEWER IN THE WATER IN THAT STREET SO IT CAN BE CONVERTED. IT'S NOT A IT CAN'T HAPPEN BUT THERE IS A PROCESS TO DOING IT . JUST ONE LAST QUESTION I GUESS MY ADVOCACY IS ALWAYS LIKE I BELIEVE PRIVATE WAYS ARE A THING OF THE PAST RIGHT?  AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THAT THE CITY OWN ALL THE STREETS IN THE CITY OF BOSTON AND BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE IMPROVEMENT ON EVERY STREET IN THE CITY OF BOSTON SO THAT THAT'S WHERE MY PUSH AND MY GOAL IN FINDING A SOLUTION IS HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERY STREET, ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS ABOVEGROUND UNDERGROUND IN THE CITY OF BOSTON I APPRECIATE THAT COUNCILOR . AND I THINK JUST YOUR POINT ABOUT THE STATE LAW THERE CERTAINLY IS QUITE A BIT OF STATE LAW AROUND THIS. THE MAIN STATUTE THAT WE RELY ON RELATING TO BETTERMENT WAS 19 06I BELIEVE AND THE EXISTENCE OF PRIVATE WAYS WE HAVE PREDATES THAT STATUTE AS WELL. THE CERTAINLY WERE THE STATE TO COME IN AND CREATE A FUND FOR OF RELEASE OF FINANCIAL RESOURCES TO SUPPORT BETTERMENT. SO THERE ARE LIKELY A NUMBER OF PRIVATE WAYS THAT MIGHT OPT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. I WOULD SAY THOUGH THAT IF WE WERE TO LOOK AT YOU KNOW, THE FULL CONVERSION OF ALL EXISTING PRIVATE WAYS AND WE HAVE NOT DONE A DETAILED ANALYSIS OF THIS BUT I FEEL SAFE IN SAYING THAT WE WOULD LIKELY BE LOOKING AT EXPENDITURES IN THE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ACROSS THE UNDERGROUND AND ABOVEGROUND PORTION.  WE WOULD ALSO BE LOOKING AT SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE TO THE WAY THE STREETS ARE STRUCTURED AND USED INCLUDING A LOT OF LOSS OF PARKING MANY OF THE PRIVATE WAYS TODAY YOU WILL SEE PEOPLE PARKED IN WAYS THAT WE WOULD NEVER ALLOW ON A PUBLIC WAY. AND SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, FOR US WE TAKE A VERY CAREFUL APPROACH WHEN WE TALK ABOUT BETTERMENT AND CONVERSIONS AND COME AT IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE THAT THIS HAS TO BE IS A HIGH BAR.  RESIDENTS NEED TO WANT IT, THEY NEED TO PETITION FOR IT AND EVEN NOW THE ONE THAT WE MOST RECENTLY DID THAT YOU MENTIONED HARVARD COMMONS THAT WAS AS YOU KNOW A VERY CONTENTIOUS PROCESS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I THINK WE ARE FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE BECAUSE OF THE ALL OF THESE COMPLEXITIES AND SENSITIVITIES AND BECAUSE OF THE COSTS WE SORT OF LOOK AT THIS AS A ONE OFF BASIS. HOWEVER, WITH NEW PROJECTS AND NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT COME IN AS WAS NOTED, WE TYPICALLY DISCOURAGE PRIVATE WAYS IN MOST CIRCUMSTANCES CERTAINLY THROUGH WAYS WE DO ALLOW THEM AND CERTAIN LIMITED EXCEPTIONS ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY ACT FUNCTIONALLY AS A DRIVEWAY FOR A PROPERTY. BUT WE ARE TRYING TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF FUTURE BETTERMENT AND REPAVING COST DISCUSSIONS THAT RESIDENTS WILL NEED FOR STREETS THAT ARE BEING CREATED NOW.  THANK YOU SO MUCH COUNCILOR AND I THINK GIVEN SEEING THE ARRAY OF DISTRICTS FROM COUNCILOR HAPPENS TO COUNCILOR MORALES TO DISTRICT EIGHT THAT ARE WANTING TO WORK ON THIS ISSUE, IT JUST SHOWS THERE IS SUCH A DIVERSITY OF OF AREAS OF BOSTON THAT ARE IMPACTED BY THIS DISCUSSION. AND IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE HAVING TALKED WITH BOTH OF MY OF THE CO-SPONSORS OF THIS,  WE'RE ALL KIND OF TAKING A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT APPROACH AROUND THE SAME ISSUE. AND PART OF WHAT I THINK THE GOAL OF THIS HEARING IS IS FOR US TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE POTENTIALLY SOME OF THE DESIRABLE THINGS ABOUT SOME OF THESE PROCESS AND AND GETTING INTO THE NITTY GRITTY OF OUR DISTRICT AND STREETS AND PRIVATE ALLEYS THAT IN PRIVATE WAYS THAT THAT WOULD WOULD BE WOULD THERE BE A POSITIVE NET POSITIVE AND WHAT ARE SOME OF THE UNDESIRABLES FOR THE CITY TAKING ON DIFFERENT ISSUES AND I KNOW GIVEN HOW HOW DIFFERENT OUR DISTRICTS ARE LIKE I DEFINITELY WOULD SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN MY DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HEARD SOME COUNCILOR ERROL'S COMMENTS ABOUT TAKING ON THE CITY, TAKING ON SOME OF THAT THEY WOULD SAY WHOA, WHOA, WHOA. WE'VE ACTUALLY HAVE A GOOD PARTNERSHIP GOING ON WHERE ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS KNOW THAT WE CAN DO THIS. AND THEN YOU KNOW, I RECENTLY WENT TO A BLOCK PARTY THAT DIDN'T NEED TO BE PERMITTED BECAUSE IT WAS ON IT WAS ON AN ALLEY THAT AND YOU KNOW AND DINNER PARTIES THAT TAKE PLACE WITHOUT NEEDING THE CITY'S APPROVAL. SO JUST FIGURING OUT HOW TO YOU KNOW, MEASURE ALL OF THESE THINGS AND HOW TO WEIGH ALL OF THESE THINGS AND AND REALLY HOW TO LIKE COME TO A CONCLUSION AROUND WHAT IS OUR PATH FORWARD WITH WITH HELPING SOME OF THESE OWNERS. AND I THINK I REALLY AM GRATEFUL FOR BOSTON WATER AND SEWERS PRESENCE AT THIS HEARING BECAUSE IT'S ALL VERY INTERCONNECTED AND THE ISSUES THAT I'VE HEARD ABOUT WITH SORT OF A LOT OF THE MOST EMOTIONAL I'VE HEARD CONSTITUENTS GET AROUND THIS ARE REALLY AROUND THE SEWER ISSUES WHICH CAN COST A LOT MORE MONEY AND A LOT MORE RESOURCES AND ARE FAR MORE COMPLEX AIDED IN SOME WAYS TO NAVIGATE. SO I WANT TO GIVE I KNOW COUNCILOR , WE'RE ALL I MEAN SORRY COUNCILOR WELL THANK YOU SO MUCH. I KNOW COUNCILOR WEBER HAS BEEN AWAITING PATIENTLY SO COUNCILOR WEBER, DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD WITH YOUR QUESTIONS? YOU HAVE 6 MINUTES TO THANK YOU . HAPPY TO HEAR FROM COUNCIL REAL GO BEFORE ME BUT SO I JUST I MISSED THE BEGINNING OF A CHIEF. MAYBE YOU MENTION THIS BUT CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN LIKE YOU KNOW HOW WE GOT HERE WITH PRIVATE WAYS AS SOMEBODY WHO LIVES ON A PRIVATE WAY I SORT OF VIEW THEM AS, YOU KNOW, SORT OF LIKE UNLICENSED CONSTRUCT LIKE IF YOU IF SOMEBODY LOOKS AT REDOING THEIR BATHROOM, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GET A LICENSED CONTRACTOR AND SPEND WHATEVER YOU KNOW, AN UNLIMITED AMOUNT OF MONEY AND GET A PERMIT WHERE YOU CAN GET YOU KNOW, SAID FOR FOR MUCH LESS YOU CAN DO IT OFF THE BOOKS AND THEN YOU JUST SEE YOU HAVE PROBLEMS SELLING YOUR PROPERTY LATER AND IT MAY NOT BE UP TO CODE BUT LIVING ON A PRIVATE WAY IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WERE SOMEBODY WAS ABLE TO BUILD A HOUSE THERE AND MAYBE THEY DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW ALL THE RULES AND THERE WERE YOU KNOW, THE DRAINAGE ON THE STREET WASN'T PROPER AND WE HAD TO DEAL WITH THAT.  BUT YOU KNOW, SO IT'S SORT OF LIKE WHERE WERE YOU COMING IN 100 YEARS AFTER THIS THING HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED AND DEALING WITH THE CONSEQUENCES OF THAT BUT DIDN'T KNOW THE HISTORY WHY WE HAVE PRIVATE WAYS. I DON'T I MAY I MAY DEFER TO MR SULLIVAN WITH A COULD HAVE MANY MORE YEARS OF EXPERIENCE WITH THIS AND I HAVE I DO YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF COST THOUGH IS WHAT I UNDERSTAND TO BE A BIG FACTOR.  YOU KNOW, AS MUCH AS WE LIKE TO THINK OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD FABRIC OF BOSTON AS HAVING ALWAYS BEEN HERE, MOST OF IT WAS BUILT BY DEVELOPERS AT ONE POINT WHO WERE CONVERTING FARMLAND OR WOODS INTO LARGE SCALE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT AND MUCH OF THAT QUESTION WHEN THOSE PROJECTS WERE UNDERTAKEN WAS I THINK A COST QUESTION ALSO LIKELY A CONTROL QUESTION ABOUT HOW THE STREETS WOULD BE BUILT AND LAID OUT WHAT MATERIALS WOULD BE USED.  BUT I DON'T KNOW. JOHN DO YOU HAVE ANY MORE OF THE IN-DEPTH HISTORY THERE? NO.  DESPITE WORKING 52 YEARS SITTING AND DEALING WITH THIS ISSUE FOR A LONG TIME PRIVATE WAYS MANY OF THEM NEVER MET THE CRITERIA ANYWAY TO BE LAID OUT AS A PUBLICLY THEY WERE THEY WERE SMALL SMALLER THAN WHAT NORMAL STREETS WOULD BE BUT THEY DIDN'T WANT ANYBODY ELSE CONTROLLING THEM THROUGH WATER SYSTEMS. MANY TIMES WERE ALREADY PUT IN FOR FIRE PROTECTION FOR NEIGHBORHOODS THEY CHOSE TO PUT IN A BRAND NEW SEWER WITH A BUILT TO HOUSES AND THEY SAID WE CAN RUN IT OURSELVES BECAUSE IT RUNS DOWNHILL.  DRAINAGE WAS NEVER A MAJOR ISSUE SO THEY JUST CHOSE NOT TO IF THEY WANTED TO THEY WOULD PETITION AND DID GO THROUGH IN THE EARLY SEVENTIES THERE WERE SEVERAL CITY OF SEVERAL GROUPS THAT PETITIONED HAD THEIR PARTICULAR STREETS TURNED INTO PUBLIC STREETS AND THEY PAID A BETTERMENT THEY PAID A BETTERMENT FOR UPGRADING THEIR SIDEWALKS. THEY PAID A BETTERMENT OF THE SEWER WAS GOING TO BE UPGRADED. SO IT'S JUST BEEN HISTORICALLY THAT WAY.  MANY OF THESE WERE LAID OUT A LONG, LONG TIME AGO. THE BOSS WANT SOUL WHICH WAS FORMED IN 1977 MORNING SPLIT OFF FROM THE CITY DIDN'T HAVE A BETTERMENT POLICY ALL THE WAY TILL THE EARLY 2000S BECAUSE WE HAD BEEN USING THE CITIES BUT WE WEREN'T PART OF THE CITY ANY MORE SO WE FORMED WELL. WE MADE A BETTERMENT POLICY BASICALLY MIRRORING SO THAT WE COULD HELP PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO BECOME PART OF THE SYSTEM THAT THEY WOULD PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE AS EVERYONE ON THE PUBLIC STREET ALREADY DID ALL THESE PUBLIC STREETS PEOPLE WOULD BE ASSESSED WHEN WE WHEN WE BUILT THEM ASSESS BETTERMENT BOTH FOR US AND FOR THE ROADWAYS. BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT HISTORY AND GOOD LUCK TO SOMEONE LOOKING AT IT ONE I'M SURE I'M SURE JOSHUA WILL BE LOOKING INTO IT SOON AFTER THIS HERE RECREATION YEAH I THINK IT ALSO THERE WAS SOMETHING LIKE WHEN THE CITY IT'S LIKE YOU'RE IN COURT IT'S NOT INCORPORATED LIKE THE PRIVATE WAY IS NOT INCORPORATED INTO THE CITY INFRASTRUCTURE THERE'S SOME I MEAN AND MAYBE WITH COUNCIL RAIL SUGGESTING IT'S A STATE ISSUE I THINK PEOPLE HAVE WRITTEN ABOUT THIS. I HAVE TO GO BACK AND BUT SO JUST LOOKING AT IT THROUGH THAT LENS I GUESS AND IT'S SORT OF WELL AS YOU WERE SAYING WITH PARKING I MEAN THERE'S CERTAIN ISSUES ON PRIVATE WAYS THAT YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT NOT BE A SEWAGE YOU KNOW, THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM MAY NOT EXIST AND THERE YOU HAVE WE HAVE CERTAIN RULES FOR HOW THINGS CAN BE DONE PROPERLY.  SO YOU KNOW, PEOPLE CAN LIVE, YOU KNOW, SAFELY AND THE CONDITIONS CAN BE HEALTHY FOR THE RESIDENTS WHICH MAY REQUIRE A LOT. SO I GUESS IN TERMS OF IF THERE IS A PRIVATE WAY THAT THEY'VE BEEN DEALING WITH, YOU KNOW, THEY THEY CAN PARK HOWEVER THEY WAN WHICH IS A CONSTANT ISSUE AN NATALIE TERRACE.  I DO THINK THERE ARE STATE RULES ON FRONTAGE LIKE YOUR BASICALLY IF YOU'RE IN A PRIVATE WAY AND THERE'S HOUSES ON BOTH SIDES, YOUR PROPERTY LINE GOES UP TO THE MIDDLE OF THE PRIVATE WAY AND SO YOUR FRONT YOUR FRONTAGE OF YOUR HOUSE YOU CAN PARK IN THE FRONTAGE ROAD THAT WAS AN ISSUE ON NATALIE TERRACE BECAUSE THERE'S PART OF IT WITH NO FRONTAGE.  SO IT WAS, YOU KNOW, SORT OF FREE FOR ALL YOU ALSO HAVE THIS ISSUE AT HOMEOWNERS VERSUS RENTERS AND WHO REALLY CARES ABOUT IT. BUT I GUESS WHAT'S YOUR SUGGESTION FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE ON A PRIVATE WAY? DOES THE CITY HAVE TO DO YOU WANT THEM TO BE PART OF THE CITY VIEW? DO YOU JUST YOU KNOW, HAVE ANY YOU KNOW, ADVICE, ADVICE?  I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY HAVE ANY SAGE ADVICE. I MEAN I'D SAY YOU KNOW, LIKE ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN AROUND FOR ,YOU KNOW, WELL OVER 100 YEARS THERE'S PROBABLY A PRETTY ROBUST OF CASE LAW THAT EXISTS THAT SORT OF GOVERNS COST BASED COMING OUT OF PAST DISPUTES OR YOU KNOW, LEGAL ACTIONS.  TODD JUST REMINDED ME THAT MANY OF THE PRIVATE WERE EXTANT BEFORE INDEPENDENT TOWNS LIKE HYDE PARK AND AND WEST ROXBURY BECAME PART OF THE CITY OF BOSTON. SO MANY OF THESE EVEN PREDATE THE SORT OF INCORPORATION ASPECT OF THIS.  I MEAN I THINK WHERE WE YOU KNOW, TO COUNCILOR DURKIN'S POINT RIGHT, THERE ARE PLACES IN THE CITY WHERE NEIGHBORS HAVE FORMED SOME LEVEL OF ORGANIZATION, FORMAL OR INFORMAL TO MANAGE THEIR PRIVATE IN A YOU KNOW, IN A WAY THAT IS CONSIDERED FAIR BY THOSE INVOLVED AND WE DON'T PRESCRIBE WHAT THAT SHOULD BE BUT I THINK MY PRIMARY POINT OF ADVICE WOULD BE GET TO KNOW YOUR NEIGHBORS AND TRY TO ORGANIZE BECAUSE A GROUP OF FOLKS WHO CAN WORK TOGETHER COLLABORATIVELY WILL HAVE MORE FINANCIAL RESOURCES AND LIKELY BE ABLE TO MAKE, YOU KNOW, GOOD DECISIONS ABOUT HOW TO FAIRLY ALLOCATE SPACE OR DO OTHER CHALLENGES ASSOCIATED WITH MANAGING THE PRIVATE WAY. I JUST SO IT'S CALLED BETTERMENT THE BETTERMENT PROGRAM.  SO LET'S SAY YOU MAYBE AND YOU CAN USE EXAMPLES WHEN PEOPLE HAVE DONE THE BETTERMENT PROGRAM WHAT KINDS OF NUMBERS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THAT THEY HAVE TO COME UP WITH IF THEY HAD NEED TO PUT IN DRAINAGE, STREET DRAINAGE OR SOMETHING UNDERGROUND?  I MEAN I'LL LET JOHN SPEAK TO THE COSTS BECAUSE I KNOW HE'S LOOKED AT THIS FOR MANY OF THE UNDERGROUND PIECE FOR SOME OF THE AREAS WHERE THERE'S BEEN CONCERN IN THE SOUTH END AND ELSEWHERE. I THINK THE MAIN THING I WOULD JUST SAY FROM THE ROAD PERSPECTIVE IS IT'S HIGHLY VARIABLE, RIGHT? WE RECENTLY A BETTERMENT APPROVED ABOUT OUR MINUTES NOT BEING BUILT YET FOR THE HARVARD COMMONS DEVELOPMENT WHERE A DEVELOPER HAD BUILT THE STREET WITH SOME INTENTION OF IT BECOMING A PUBLIC WAY AND SO THERE IS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS IN PLACE AND ACCEPTABLE TO THE CITY THAT DOES NOT NEED TO BE REBUILT AND SOME THINGS DO.  THERE ARE OTHER CASES WHERE YOU HAVE YOU KNOW, IN YOUR NECK OF THE WOODS A PART OF LOUISVILLE OF WHERE THERE IS NO YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE COULD ACCEPT ABOUT THAT STREET AND IT WOULD HAVE TO BE REBUILT IN WHOLE CLOTH IN ORDER TO MAKE IT A PUBLIC WAY. SO IT'S VERY AS TO YEAH SO LET'S JUST SAY PARLEE VALE SO IF THEY WANT IT TO BECOME AND I DON'T THINK THEY WANT I THINK THEY LIKE THEIR CONTRACT BUT WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT IF THEY WENT THROUGH THAT PROCESS THE RESIDENTS WOULD HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE COST OR THE CITY WOULD PARTICIPATE A LITTLE BIT IN INSTALLING THINGS LIKE A YOU KNOW AN ENTIRE SEWER SYSTEM . I MEAN THE SHORT ANSWER IS WE'D HAVE TO BRING IT UP TO CITY STANDARD AND THERE WOULD BE THE COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT WHICH ARE SPLIT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE RESIDENTS AT LEAST ON THE SURFACE SIDE. AND JOHN CAN SPEAK TO THE WATER AND SERVICE BETTERMENT POLICY AND THOSE COSTS CAN BE PUT ON TO PROPERTY TAX BILLS OVER 20 YEARS I BELIEVE UP TO 20 YEARS. SO THOSE COSTS CAN BE DEFERRED DURING A TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SORT OF WAY WE APPROACH THAT SHORT IS JUST AT A VERY HIGH LEVEL IF WE RECEIVE A PETITION FROM A MAJORITY OF THE ABUTTERS OF A PRIVATE WAY THAT WILL TRIGGER THE PROCESS WHEREBY WE MEET WITH THEM, WE DISCUSS THE OPTIONS, WE DISCUSS THE PROCESS, WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY DO WANT TO ACTUALLY MOVE FORWARD WITH IT BECAUSE IT IS QUITE A BIT OF YOU KNOW, TIME AND EFFORT ON YOU KNOW CITY PERSONNEL IS PART IN THE CITY WOULD HANDLE THE SURVEY OF THESE EXISTING CONDITIONS. THE CITY WOULD HANDLE ALL OF THE ENGINEERED PLANS THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THE RECONSTRUCTION AND WE WOULD PRESENT ALL OF THOSE. WE WOULD ALSO COME UP WITH A COST ESTIMATE FOR THAT RECONSTRUCTION AND THEN AS CHIEF MENTIONED, THE CITY WOULD TAKE ON HALF OF THAT RECONSTRUCTION COST AND THE OTHER HALF WOULD BE DIVVIED UP AMONG ALL OF THE ABUTTERS AND WE PUT IT TO A VOTE SO WE LET THEM DECIDE AMONGST THEMSELVES WHETHER THEY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD KNOWING WHAT THE POTENTIAL COSTS WOULD BE FOR EACH OF THEM. AND THANK YOU SO MUCH COUNCILOR WEBER. I LET YOU GO WAY OVER MOSTLY BECAUSE I THINK THAT LINE OF QUESTIONING IN PARTICULAR IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AT IN THIS HEARING AND IT REALLY DOES. I I REALLY APPRECIATE THE WAY YOU APPROACH ISSUES BECAUSE I COULD I WOULD LOVE TO LET YOU GO OVER ON SINGLE HEARING BECAUSE HE'S A LAWYER. HE LIKE DIGS IN MORE AND MORE SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT AND THANK YOU. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I TIME FOR A SECOND ROUND AND THEN I ALSO GIVE TIME TO TAKE SOME OF OUR PUBLIC TESTIMONY HERE IN PERSON IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HEARING TO MAKE SURE THAT IF YOU IF YOU DO NEED TO LEAVE BEFORE THE END OF THE HEARING, WE GET TO HEAR FROM SOME OF THAT SOME OF THOSE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE. SO JUST JUST TO HIGHLIGHT ELLEN AND MARY SULLIVAN, I'D LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU BOTH RIGHT AFTER WE GET THROUGH THE SECOND ROUND OF QUESTIONS AND THEN AND THEN WE HAVE A LITTLE MORE TO GO SO SO COUNCILOR CRIPPEN, DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD WITH YOUR SECOND ROUND? I THINK WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO AIM FOR 4 MINUTES. OKAY.  THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT CHAIR AND ACTUALLY THANK YOU TO MY COLLEAGUES BECAUSE EVERYONE HAS BROUGHT UP SUCH GREAT QUESTIONS. SOME OF THEM MY QUESTIONS ACTUALLY ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY THE ONE OF HOW WE GOT HERE IN THIS SCHOOL COUNCIL COMPOUND I FORGOT TO ASK MY QUESTIONS. CAN I GO? OH, SORRY . OKAY. SORRY THIS HAS BEEN SUCH A GREAT HEARING. I JUST WANT TO SAY I THINK AGAIN I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT I THINK WE'RE ALL COMING FROM VERY DIFFERENT DISTRICTS BUT THE FACT THAT THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD TO THE PLANNING DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE AND THE FACT THAT IT WAS SPOKEN ON BY MANY FOLKS WHO WHO ALSO COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY FROM OUR COUNCIL COLLEAGUES, THIS IS AN INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT ISSUE TO THE CITY.  IT SOUNDS LIKE TO ME THE WAY I WAS REALLY APPROACHING THIS ISSUE PRIOR TO THIS HEARING WAS BOTH PURCHASING AND I THINK FOR THE REASONS THAT CHIEF DESCRIBED SOMETIMES THE CITY'S PRICE POINTS MAY ACTUALLY BE HIGHER THAN WHAT A REGULAR RESIDENT COULD GET FOR SOMETHING FOR SMALLER OR FOR A SMALLER PROJECT WITH NO SPECIFIC SPECIFICATIONS OF THAT STREET. BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS OFTENTIMES I I HAVEN'T EXPERIENCED THIS FROM FROM DIRECT CONSTITUENTS BUT I'VE HEARD THROUGH THE GRAPEVINE THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT OFTENTIMES MANAGING THAT WORK BEING DONE AS A ON A STREET OR YOU KNOW, IN A NEIGHBORHOOD OR CUL DE SAC OR WHOEVER ELSE HOWEVER IT IS STRUCTURED THAT MANAGING THAT WORK BEING DONE WHEN PEOPLE ARE NOT TECHNICALLY SAVVY LIKE MANAGE THE TECHNICAL ASPECT OF GETTING THE SEWER REPAIRED AND AND AND ALSO JUST THE COORDINATION OF COMING TOGETHER AS A NEIGHBORHOOD OR A STREET AROUND THAT CAN BE PARTICULARLY HARD. SO I THINK FROM FROM I WOULD LOVE JOHN SULLIVAN IF I KNOW A LOT OF THIS HAS BEEN I'VE HEARD ABOUT IS RELATED TO PEOPLE COMING TOGETHER AROUND PRIVATE SEWER REPAIRS AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS, YOU KNOW, GIVEN ALL OF YOUR BACKGROUND IN THIS, IS THERE A WAY THAT THE CITY CAN ASSIST IN COORDINATING THESE PROJECTS GOING FROM START TO FINISH AND IS THERE A ROLE THAT THE CITY OR BOSTON WATER AND SEWER CAN PLAY EVEN IF IT IS THE NEIGHBORS RESPONSIBILITY ULTIMATELY? OH ABSOLUTELY.  FIRST OF ALL, THOSE ARE VERY IMPORTANT PART OF THE PUBLIC HEALTH AND SO WE REQUIRE THAT ANYBODY WORKING ON A SEWER THAT'S CONNECTED TO OUR SYSTEM BE LICENSED BY OURSELVES AND THERE ARE MANY OF THEM WE HAVE TO LIST WHEN PEOPLE WANT TO DO A REPAIR THEY COME IN AND THEY THEY TELL US ABOUT IT. WE WORK THEM.  WE GIVE THEM OPPORTUNITIES FOR ADVANCING THE REPAIR SUCH THAT IF THEY'RE DONE ACCORDING TO OUR SIZING REQUIREMENTS ETC. IN THE FUTURE IF THEY EXTEND IT WE COULD TAKE IT OVER. WE DO INSPECT SOME BUT WE EVERYONE AS MUCH HELP AS WE CAN BUT MANY TIMES IT'S MUCH CHEAPER FOR A GROUP OF PEOPLE TO GET A CONTRACTOR OR MOVE IN SWIFTLY WITHOUT NEEDING ALL KINDS OF PERMITS FROM THE CITY AND REPAIRING AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO GO IN AND MAKE THE QUICK REPAIR OF THEIR SYSTEM. IT'S WORKING AND ONCE IT'S WORKING IT'S FORGOTTEN AGAIN. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS A LOT WITH THE PRIVATE SERVICE WE DO GIVE MONEY AND IT DEPENDS ON HOW IT'S BROKEN UNDER OUR LATERAL PROGRAM AND THAT'S JUST THE HOMEOWNERS WITH SOME OF THE REPAIRS AND THAT'S BEEN VERY COMMON OVER LAST TEN YEARS OR SO. SO YEAH, WE AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO OFFER IT. WE ALSO THEN SUGGEST TO THEM WE HAVE A BETTERMENT POLICY SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS DESCRIBED BY TODD. WE WILL GO OUT, WE'LL REVIEW IT, WE'LL COME UP WITH A PRELIMINARY DESIGN.  WE WILL FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH WE WILL COST. WE BRING THAT COST TO THEM, SHOW THEM THAT WE'LL PAY HALF THEY CAN PAY HALF. THEY GET TO VOTE ON IT. IF THEY VOTED ON IT THEY NEVER PAY MORE THAN WHAT COSTS WE GAVE THEM AT THAT TIME AND SET THAT PRICE THAT COST US MORE.  WE PAID FOR IT SO WE HAVE THE BETTERMENT POLICY ONCE THEY TURN IT OVER TO US WE DO THE BETTERMENT WE OWN THAT SEWER PIPE FOREVER AND WE WILL MAINTAIN THAT FULL PIPE FOREVER. OF COURSE IF WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING A PIECE OF PROPERTY OFFSHORE IN THE STREET WE REQUIRE AN EASEMENT.  THEY NEED TO GIVE US THE RIGHT TO WHEN THEY'RE IN THE FUTURE AND REPAIR IT AND DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO DO IT. SO IT'S A LITTLE MORE ON THAT STRAIGHT FORWARD ENGINEERING IS THE LEGAL PART THAT THEY HAVE TO GIVE UP THE RIGHT TO LET US GO IN AND MAINTAIN THE SEWER AND I'LL ASK A REALLY SIMPLE QUESTION THAT I SHOULDN'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO BUT POSSIBLY TODD OR CHIEF IS THE SEWER PIECE RELATED TO THE STREET PIECE IN THE SENSE OF CAN YOU GIVE AWAY THE SEWER AND NOT THE STREET NOT THE STREET LIKE ESSENTIALLY IF THE CITY THE EASEMENT ON THE SEWER AND IT'S A PRIVATE ALLEY AND THEY'VE GONE THROUGH THE BETTERMENT PROCESS WITH BOSTON WATER AND SEWER IS THAT ESSENTIALLY DONE FOR THE STREET AS WELL AT THE SAME TIME OR ARE THESE TWO SEPARATE PROCESSES?  SO IF YOU HAVE A PRIVATE SEWER AND YOU HAVE A PRIVATE WAY AND YOU ISSUE A PETITION TO BOTH THE WATER AND SEWER COMMISSION AND THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT COMMISSION, THE RESIDENTS WOULD HAVE TO VOTE IN FAVOR ON BOTH IN ORDER FOR EITHER TO PASS SO THEY WOULD BE DEPENDENT ON ONE OTHER. SO IF FOR SOME REASON THEY VOTE YES ON ONE AND NO ON THE OTHER THEY'RE BOTH END UP BEING A NO FOR THE REASONS THAT JOHN DESCRIBED IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO HAVE. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WASN'T AS A QUESTION AS I THOUGHT IT WAS. OKAY. AND COUNCILOR , IF I COULD ADD ONE THING WE'RE USING THE WORD PRIVATE WASTE OUR BETTERMENT POLICIES SPECIFICALLY TALKS ABOUT PRIVATE WAYS THAT ARE OPEN TO PUBLIC TRAVEL.  THERE ARE ALSO ALLEYS IN THE CITY. THEY'RE CALLED PRIVATE WAYS. THEY'RE NOT OPEN TO PUBLIC TRAVEL AND WE DO NOT APPLY OUR BETTERMENT POLICY TO THOSE. THESE ARE ONLY WHERE THEY'RE OPEN TO PUBLIC TRAVEL. THAT'S A REALLY THANK YOU, JOHN . THAT'S A REALLY HELPFUL DISTINCTION. SO I'M GOING TO PASS THIS I'M OVER TIME SO I'M GOING TO PASS THIS ON TO COUNCILOR PIPPEN,  THE LEAD SPONSOR TO ASK A SECOND ROUND OF QUESTIONS. YOU'LL HAVE 5 MINUTES. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR . I GUESS IN THAT VEIN IN MY DISTRICT SPECIFIC DISTRICT FIVE I PARK ROADS NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAID, THERE'S THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PRIVATE WAYS THAT ARE NOT ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. ARE DO YOU KNOW, JOHN, IF MOST OF THEM IN MY DISTRICT ARE THE ONES THAT DRIVERS CAN DRIVE INTO?  I DO NOT WANT I'M BRINGING UP THAT THERE ARE PRIVATE WAYS WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE A DRIVEWAY SERVING PERHAPS TEN CONDOMINIUM UNITS AND IT'S A DRIVEWAY IT'S A PRIVATE WAY AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S POSTED AS BUT IT'S NOT OPEN TO PUBLIC TRAVEL.  WE WOULD NOT GO IN THERE AND OWN THAT PARTICULAR SEWER BECAUSE THAT'S A PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT. IT'S IN A SPACE. OKAY.  BUT MANY, MANY OF THE PEOPLE ARE DRIVING DOWN THEM EVERY DAY . THEY'RE MORE THAN LIKELY PRIVATE WAGE OPEN TO PUBLIC TRAVEL ALL THAT INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE IN THE CITY'S PUBLIC STREET DIRECTORY.  YOU CAN TELL WHAT'S PRIVATE. YOU OPEN A PUBLIC TRAVEL TO ALL OF THOSE SO WE CAN LOOK UP ANY OF THE AMOUNT OF STREETS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO LOOK.  THANK YOU FOR THAT, JOHN. AND THIS QUESTION IS MORE TOWARDS CHIEF FRANKLIN HODGE.  ONE OF MY BIGGEST CONCERNS RECENTLY HAS BEEN TALKING TO FOLKS WHO ARE MOSTLY TENANTS. THEY'RE NOT THE LANDLORDS AND THEY LIVE IN A PRIVATE WAY BUT THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT THEY WERE RENTING ON A PRIVATE WAY AND NOW THEY'RE CAUGHT IN THE IN THE MIDDLE NOT NO QUESTIONING YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ASKING US OH, WHY CAN'T THE CITY PAY FOR THIS BUT NOT KNOWING THEY LIVE ON A PRIVATE WAY IN THE FIRST PLACE AND YOU KNOW TO COUNCIL OVERALLS POINT EVEN TO THE FOLKS THAT ARE ALREADY PAYING SO MUCH IN RENT TO EVEN FATHOM THE IDEA OF LOOKING FOR 5000 10,000 EXTRA DOLLARS TO PAY THEIR THEIR WAY NOT EVEN BEING THE LANDLORD. I GUESS IT'S A TWO PART QUESTION. ONE IS IT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE LANDLORD OR THE TENANT TO PAY FOR THAT AT THE TIME OF THE REQUEST? AND TWO, CAN THE CITY CREATE A DATABASE OR AT LEAST A PAGE EXPLAINING TO RESIDENTS WHAT A PRIVATE WAY IS AND WHAT THE CITY CAN AND CANNOT DO BECAUSE THERE'S JUST A LOT OF THERE'S A LOT OF CONFUSION OUT THERE ABOUT WHAT CAN WE AND CANNOT DO. YES, THE ANSWER TO THE FIRST QUESTION IS IT IS THE PROPERTY OWNERS RESPONSIBILITY WHO TO TO TO COVER BETTERMENT COSTS OR TO PARTICIPATE IN THE REPAIR OF A PRIVATE WAY. OBVIOUSLY A LANDLORD MAY CHOOSE TO PASS THOSE COSTS ON TO THEIR TENANT OR MAY SIMPLY IGNORE THEIR TENANT'S NEEDS ON THAT. BUT THAT IS IT'S VERY MUCH ATTACHED TO THE PROPERTY ITSELF . THE CITY DOES HAVE A WEB PAGE THAT ATTEMPTS TO EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PUBLIC AND PRIVATE WAYS. IT'S LARGELY FOCUSED ON THE SERVICES THAT ARE PROVIDED AND WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT. NO DOUBT THAT CAN BE BETTER. SO I THINK WE'D LOVE TO WORK WITH YOU IF THERE ARE SUGGESTIONS FOR QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE GETTING THAT ARE NOT WELL ANSWERED THAT PAGE WE'RE HAPPY TO TRY TO BUILD OUT THAT CONTENT TO PROVIDE A MORE ROBUST RESOURCE FOR PEOPLE WHO FIND THEMSELVES IN THIS SITUATION. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL BECAUSE EVEN EVEN WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE STREET BOOK THAT WE THAT THAT THAT THE CITY HAS IT'S I MEAN I HAD TO CONTROL F PRIVATE AND THEN GO THROUGH THERE WAS 180 PAGES IN ABOUT 1583 RESULTS CAME OUT BUT I HAD TO SCROLL THROUGH ALL OF THEM TO EVEN UNDERSTAND WHERE WAS LET'S SAY I DON'T KNOW MAPLE LEAF DRIVE WHERE THAT WAS ON THE WHOLE BOOKLET. SO EVEN DOING THAT KIND OF RESEARCH WHICH WAS VERY DIFFICULT FOR MYSELF TO I CAN JUST IMAGINE ANYONE WHO'S JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THEIR STREET IS PRIVATE OR NOT. I THINK THAT I LIKE THE WAY THAT YOU ALL DID THE THE SAFETY SEARCH PROGRAM WHERE IT'S JUST A SIMPLE PUT IN THE ADDRESS IS THIS PRIVATE I MEAN IS IT GOING TO BE HOMES OR NOT? IS THIS GOING TO BE IT IS A PRIVATE WAY OR A PUBLIC WAY THERE IS A SEARCHABLE INTERFACE FOR THE STREET BOOK WHERE YOU CAN PUT IN A STREET IT IS NOT THE MOST ATTRACTIVE OR FUN FRIENDLY WEBSITE IN THE WORLD BUT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE ENTIRETY OF THE THE PHONE BOOK OF STREETS TO TO FIND IT.  BUT I THINK WE'D LOVE TO EXPLORE THIS QUESTION OF LIKE WHO WHO ARE ASKING YOU THESE QUESTIONS WHAT ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE ASKING AND THEN WHAT COULD WE DO IN TERMS OF THE CONTENT AND TOOLS WE'RE PROVIDING TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO GET ACCESS TO THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE IT'S ALL THERE IF YOU KNOW HOW TO FIND IT. BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE HARD FOR ANYONE.  YES. NO, I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE IT'S JUST EVEN SYMBOLS. I MEAN AS A CHAIR OF CITY SERVICES I FEEL LIKE EVEN JUST MAKING IT EASIER FOR FOLKS TO LOOK UP SERVICES IS IS A PRIORITY FOR US IN REGARDS TO SNOW AND SNOW PLOWING. I KNOW THAT THE CITY CHOSES TO DO SOMETIMES AS A COURTESY TO PLOW AND SELL PRIVATE WAYS WITH THE SAME WITH WITH THE SAME SET OF VEHICLES BUILT INTO THIS PROCESS IS UNIFORMLY SAYS THE CITY OF BOSTON OFTEN CONTRACTS OUT FOR THESE SERVICES. ON THE OTHER HAND WE HAVE MET A FEW RESIDENTS WHO ARE SPENDING A LOT OF THEIR PERSONAL TIME AND MONEY TO REPAIR THEIR PRIVATE ROLLS GOING TO HAVE SNOW PLOW AND DESTROY THOSE PRIVATE WAYS.  I GOT ONE OF THOSE EMAILS IT'S ON VERNON IN HYDE PARK SNOW PLOW DROPPED THE WHATEVER IT IS THE DATE TO REMOVE THE SNOW AND IT COMPLETELY SHATTERED PART OF THE STREET AND NOW THERE'S A POTHOLE THERE AS A RESULT THAT I KNOW THAT'S A VERY GRAY AREA AND I'M VERY THANKFUL TO THE CITY BUT IS THERE ANY PROTECTION THERE FOR THE RESIDENTS IN CASE THEY DO WANT TO REPAIR THAT CONSIDERING IT WASN'T THEIR FAULT?  YEAH, I AM NOT SURE ABOUT THE QUESTION. THERE'S I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE ANSWER TO THAT. THERE MAY BE A CLAIM PROCESS THAT COULD BE FILED BUT THAT IS THE CLAIMS PROCESSES ARE TYPICALLY ALL HANDLED THROUGH THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE SO IT WOULD BE WORTH CONTACTING THEM TO TALK ABOUT WHAT REMEDY MIGHT BE AVAILABLE. I THINK TYPICALLY AS YOU SAY IT IS AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CITY WHETHER OR NOT TO PLOW AND SALT THERE ARE STREETS AND LOCATIONS WHERE IT IS NECESSARY AS A MATTER OF PUBLIC SAFETY TO ENSURE THAT CERTAIN STREETS ARE OPEN AND ACCESSIBLE BY EMERGENCY VEHICLES. OH AND I WASN'T SAYING I'M NOT GRATEFUL FOR THAT. YEAH, I THINK THAT YOU KNOW, THAT'S AMAZING THAT YOU DO THAT BUT I DON'T THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION THIS ALSO GETS TO THIS THIS COMPLEXITY WITH PRIVATE WAYS IS THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT BUILT TO CITY STANDARDS THE MAINTENANCE PRACTICES THAT WE HAVE BUILT AROUND STANDARD CITY ROADS MAY HAVE DIFFERENT IMPACTS ON PRIVATE WAYS. WE HAVE PRIVATE WAYS THAT ARE NOT PAVED. WE HAVE PRIVATE WAYS THAT ARE PAVED BUT DON'T HAVE A ROADBED PROPERLY CONSTRUCTED UNDERNEATH THEM AND THEREFORE ARE MUCH MORE SUSCEPTIBLE TO DAMAGE. WE HAVE DIRT ROADS. WE HAVE YOU KNOW SO THIS IS KIND OF THE TRICKY BUSINESS WE FIND IN WHENEVER WE'RE GOING TO DO ANY KIND OF SERVICE EVEN A FIRE TRUCK GOING DOWN A PRIVATE WAY COULD VERY WELL DAMAGE THAT PRIVATE WAY. BUT WE TRY TO, YOU KNOW, DO OUR BEST TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES THAT WE CAN IN A GIVEN LOCATION AND ULTIMATELY WE HAVE TO WORK WITH WHATEVER ROAD SURFACE WE HAVE TO DO IT. YEAH.  AND TO GO BACK TO MY TO MY ORIGINAL POINT OF FINDING A MIDDLE GROUND BETWEEN THE RESIDENTS AND THE CITY ABOUT WHAT CAN BE DONE IN REGARDS TO A PRIVATE WAY.  IT'S JUST SO EXPENSIVE AND I, I DO WANT TO I GUESS ASK YOU IF WE COULD JUST IF WE COULD BRAINSTORM AT SOME POINT HOW CAN THE CITY I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BY A PARTNERSHIP WITH EMPLOYEES OR WB EES OR LOCAL BUSINESSES THAT CAN COME TO AN AGREEMENT TO SAY ALL RIGHT, WE WILL WORK ON THESE PRIVATE WAYS OR IF IF THE RESIDENTS IN THE CITY CAN INTO THE AGREEMENT BECAUSE ON PAPER IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S TWO SOLUTIONS IT'S EITHER YOU REPAVE WHICH REMAINS PRIVATE RESIDENTS PAY 100% AND IT'S LESS EXPENSIVE OR IT'S A BETTERMENT PROCESS WHICH IT BECOMES PUBLIC RESIDENTS PAY 50% MORE IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE I FEEL LIKE WHEN WHEN YOU'RE STUCK IN THOSE TWO SITUATIONS IT'S THE CITY. I FEEL LIKE THE RESIDENTS I DID YOU AS A DISTRICT FIVE COUNCILOR I FEEL THE RESIDENTS DESERVE SOMETHING MORE THAN THAT. SO I JUST WANT TO BRAINSTORM A SOLUTION WHERE WE CAN FIND A MIDDLE GROUND AND JUST BE CREATIVE WITH IT. BE HAPPY TO DO THAT WITH YOU. AND I THINK THERE'S YOU KNOW, KIND OF TWO FUNDAMENTAL QUESTIONS THAT WOULD BE WORTH EXPLORING. ONE IS WHAT IS APPROPRIATE USE OF PUBLIC FUNDS FOR PRIVATE WAYS YOU KNOW, RECOGNIZE SAYING THAT THEY DO IN SOME CASES SERVE A PUBLIC PURPOSE WHEN THEY ARE OPEN TO PUBLIC TRAVEL BUT THEY ALSO ARE OFTEN HEAVILY PRIVATIZED IN HOW THEY'RE USED. AND SO FIGURING OUT WHAT WE THINK IS KIND OF FAIR AND REASONABLE FOR THE TAXPAYERS AT LARGE TO FUND ON STREETS THAT THEY DO NOT ENJOY THE SAME RIGHTS THAT THEY WOULD IN ANOTHER PUBLIC WAY. THE SECOND QUESTION IS THEN WHERE THE MONEY COME FROM YOU KNOW, WATER AND SEWER AS A UTILITY THEY HAVE A RATE BASE THAT THEY'RE ABLE THAT YOU KNOW, OVER TIME ABSORBS COSTS.  WE OBVIOUSLY AS A DEPARTMENT ARE LIMITED BY OUR APPROPRIATION IN OUR ANNUAL BUDGET AND DON'T HAVE A WAY TO SORT OF RAISE OUR REVENUE IN ACCORDANCE WITH INCREASING EXPENDITURES.  SO A DECISION TO EITHER REALLOCATE FUNDS OUT OF EXISTING PROGRAMS OR PUBLIC WAY REPAVING PROGRAMS OR TO ALLOCATE ADDITIONAL FUNDS WOULD LIKELY BE NECESSARY IF WE WERE TO TRY TO SET UP A SUBSTANTIAL PROGRAM TO DO THIS. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT AND I'M SORRY FOR MORE TIME IS THIS SOMETHING THAT IT'S IN THE NEXT BUDGET CONVERSATION LIKE WOULD THAT BE AN OPTION TO ADD A LINE ITEM TO HELP PAY FOR THAT? I THINK IF WE HAD A SENSE OF WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO CREATE AND DID IT SORT OF PASS AND WE GO MUSTER WHICH IS ANOTHER IMPORTANT DIMENSION TO THIS IS WHAT WE CAN REALLY DO A CITY YOU KNOW I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'D BE ANY FUNDAMENTAL SUM, THERE'D BE ANY BARRIER TO THAT OTHER THAN JUST BUDGETARY CONSTRAINTS AND YOU KNOW, COUNCILOR DURKAN NOTED NOT ALL OF OUR PUBLIC WAYS ARE IN THE STATE OF REPAIR WE WOULD LIKE TO BE AND SO WE'RE ALWAYS VERY CAUTIOUS WHEN IT COMES TO LIMITING RESOURCES THAT ARE ALLOCATED TO ALREADY UNDER-RESOURCED NEEDS WITHIN THE CITY AND I APPRECIATE THAT AND I AGAIN JUST WANT TO THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING HERE. I DO WANT TO USE THE REST OF MY TIME SO I WANT TO HEAR FROM MY COLLEAGUES IN THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY. THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCILOR PHIPPEN COUNCILOR WEBER COUNCILOR WE'RE ALL DO YOU HAVE A SECOND ROUND OF QUESTIONS?  YES. OH, PERFECT. OKAY. I GUESS WE'LL GO TO COUNCILOR FIRST AND THEN COUNCILOR WEBER.  IT'S A QUESTION FOR BOSS OF WATER AND SEWER IS A PRIVATE WASTE ELIGIBLE FOR THE LED REPLACEMENT PIPE PROGRAM?  YES. YES. OKAY.  YES. WHERE WE ARE INTENT COMMISSIONERS HAVE DIRECTED US TO GET ALL THE WEATHER SERVICE PIPES IN THE CITY OUT SO WE WILL GO INTO PRIVATE WASTE WHATEVER WE WANT A LAWNS THE LEDS COMING OUT OF THE OUT OF THE CITY DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM. AND THEN ANOTHER QUESTION IS IF THERE WAS LIKE A A GAP LIKE A MAIN BREAK ON A PRIVATE WAY,  WHAT WOULD BOSTON WATER AND THE BEST WAY IS TO GO IN AND TO EMERGENCY FIX AND THEN BUILD THE HOMEOWNERS ON THE STREET AFTER AND I'D SAY OVER 90% OF THE PRIVATE WASTE WE OWN THAT WATER PIPE SO WE WOULD WANT TO FIX OUR WATER PIPE AND THEN WE WOULD MAKE REPAIRS TO THE ROADWAY AND LEAVE IT IN BETTER CONDITION THAN WHAT YOU FOUND IT AND THEN AND THEN THAT COST WOULD JUST GET PASSED ON TO THE HOMEOWNERS IF IT'S NOT PIPE, THAT'S OUR COST. SO WE JUST MAKE THE REPAIR FOR ANY DAMAGE WE DID FOR THE ROADWAY. SO WE WOULD TAKE CARE OF IT. GOT IT. AND THEN AT JUST GOING BACK TO THE HARVARD COMMENT BETTERMENT PROCESS AND THAT WAS THAT WAS A NEWER DEVELOPMENT I BELIEVE THAT DEVELOPMENT WAS BUILT WHAT FIVE OR SIX YEARS AGO BACK TO THE EARLY 2000 EARLY, EARLY 2000 AND I BELIEVE THAT BETTERMENT COST TO GET EVERYTHING UP UP TO CODE WAS AROUND. I FELT LIKE IT WAS LIKE $10,000 PER HOUSEHOLD.  THERE ARE SOME VERY WILDLY DIFFERING SIZED PARCELS THERE. SO THE AND THAT IS A HEAVY FACTOR IN HOW MUCH THE COST IS ALLOCATED FOR YOUR TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY HOME. THE AVERAGE COST WAS BETWEEN TWO AND $4,000 IN TWO OR 4000 AND THEN THE RANGE WAS THE HIGHER SIDE OF THAT RANGE.  I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE MOST EXPENSIVE THERE WERE A HANDFUL OF PARCELS BUT FOR STILL OWNED BY THE DEVELOPER RIGHT? YEAH BUT THE GREENS AND THAT TYPE OF THING WHICH HAD VERY LARGE FRONTAGES BUT I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT THE HIGHEST VALUE WAS IT WAS PROBABLY AT LEAST TEN TIMES THAT THAT AVERAGE RIGHT AND I GUESS THAT'S MY CONCERN RIGHT WHEN WE'RE GOING INTO OLDER DEVELOPMENT IS PASSING THAT COST ON TO YOU KNOW PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING IN PROBABLY MORE MODERATE INCOME AREAS.  SO DEFINITELY WE'D LOVE TO KIND OF EXPLORE, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN WE DO AS A CITY TO MAKE SURE THAT RESOURCES AND FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE IS THERE FOR DOWN ONE STREET THAT COMES IN MY MIND IS ALL AFFORDABLE ALL AFFORDABLE BELIEVE 60% OR MAYBE LIKE 80% OF LOWER AMI HOUSING THAT THE CITY BUILT ON THIS PRIVATE WAY AND YOU KNOW AND I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE ABLE TO COME UP WITH $10,000 YOU KNOW YOU YOU KNOW EVEN ACROSS 20 YEARS SO JUST KIND OF A LOT OF WORK WITH COUNCILOR PEPEN AND THE TEAM ON TRYING TO FIND OUT WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ASSISTANT PROGRAMS ARE THERE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH COUNCILOR EARL AND YOU JUST BROUGHT UP I MEAN SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS SO IMPORTANT THAT I THINK WE CAN'T DO EVERYTHING IN THIS HEARING SO POTENTIALLY CONVENING A WORKING SESSION WITH WITH THE THOSE THAT SO THAT WE CAN GET MORE INTO THE NITTY GRITTY OF THE SPECIFIC CONCERNS OF OF OUR COLLEAGUES ESPECIALLY OUR DISTRICT COLLEAGUES WHO ARE SUPER IN THE WEEDS HEARING FROM RESIDENTS ABOUT ISSUES ON OR ON IN BOTH THE SEWER REALM AND THE STREET REALM BUT I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY COUNCIL PRESIDENT IVORY SUE LOUIJEUNE RUSSI.  WE ARE ON THE SECOND ROUND OF QUESTIONS.  WOULD YOU LIKE TO GIVE AN OPENING STATEMENT OR DO YOU HAVE ANY ROUNDS OF QUESTIONS? WE'RE GOING TO SWITCH TO A SECOND PANEL WITH DIFFERENT PANELIST IF I IF SO IF I IF I DON'T SPEAK AT THIS MOMENT THEN YOU'RE GOING TO THESE PANELISTS BELIEVE YOU KNOW WHAT I CAN DO IS I'LL GO TO COUNCILOR WEBER AND THEN I CAN AND THEN I KIND OF WANT TO ASK MY COLLEAGUE WHAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED SO THAT I DON'T REPEAT QUESTIONS. THIS IS A TOPIC THAT I CARE DEEPLY ABOUT BUT I DON'T WANT TO COVER GROUND IT. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. THANKS PRESIDENT.  WE'LL GO TO COUNCILOR WEBER. YOU HAVE 5 MINUTES.  THANK YOU.  YEAH. I THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HOW SOME PRIVATE WAYS GET GET PLOWED IN THE SNOWSTORMS TO MAINTAIN ACCESS OR WHATEVER I WE I ONE OF THE RULES WE THOUGHT EXISTED WAS IF THERE A FIRST RESPONDER ON THE PRIVATE WAY THAT THEY WOULD THAT THE PRIVATE WAY WOULD BE PLOWED SO WE EVERYONE WHO CAME WAS NEW TO THE PRIVATE WAY YOU KNOW HOPING IT WOULD BE A POLICE OR FIREFIGHTERS OR SOMETHING SO WE CAN GET THE YOU KNOW, RELIABLE OF PLANNING THAT NEVER HAPPENED. BUT SO SO THE BETTERMENT PROGRAM IS THIS IS THIS THERE IS JUST A DUMB QUESTION IS THERE IS A CITY ORDINANCE OR UM IT'S EXACTLY IT STARTS WITH A 1906 STATUTE THAT LAYS OUT THE BETTERMENT PROCESS.  IT'S BEEN AMENDED BY THE STATE LEGISLATURE SEVERAL TIMES AND THEN THERE ARE ELEMENTS OF THE PROCESS THAT ARE NOT SPECIFIED IN STATUTE BUT WHICH ARE EITHER FORMAL OR INFORMAL PAST PRACTICE OF THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT COMMISSION WHICH OVERSEES IT ON THE CITY'S BEHALF. THE STATE LEGISLATION ALSO DOES DEVOLVE SOME RIGHTS AND SOME DECISIONS TO THE CITY TO MAKE.  AT THE TIME IT WAS THE BOARD OF STREET COMMISSIONERS. NOW IT IS IN PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT COMMISSION SO WE HAVE SOME DISCRETIONARY AUTHORITY.  YEAH I MEAN I TRYING TO PRACTICE LAW BY GOOGLE UH YOU KNOW I THINK IT'S STATE LAWS THERE'S IT'S LIKE CHAPTER 40 SECTION SIX AND LAYS OUT THE BETTER LIKE A BETTERMENT PROCESS.  BUT YOU AND I SEE INFORMATION SHEETS FROM LIKE BOSTON WATER AND SEWER AND THE ON THE CITY WEBSITE THE SORT OF PUBLIC VERSUS PRIVATE WAY THING THAT YOU IMAGE BUT IS THAT SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT IS TO CODIFY YOU KNOW THE BETTERMENT PROCESS UM YOU KNOW AND MAKE IT MORE PREDICTABLE OR YOU KNOW IS THIS IS THERE ROOM FOR THAT?  YEAH I THINK THERE'S CERTAINLY ROOM FOR DISCUSSION AROUND THAT. I MEAN I THINK IT'S FIRST A LEGAL QUESTION OF KIND OF WHAT BECAUSE THERE'S STATE STATUTORY AUTHORITY THAT'S EXPLICITLY DEVOLVED TO WHAT IS NOW THE I SEE THERE MAY BE SOME LIMITATIONS ABOUT WHAT CAN BE DONE IN MUNICIPAL CODE GIVEN THAT THE PSC IS AN ESTABLISHED BODY THAT HAS RECOGNITION IN NGL. BUT AGAIN I'M NOT A LAWYER SO I THINK YOU'D WANT TO START WITH THE WHAT'S POSSIBLE QUESTION THERE ARE SOME ELEMENTS OF THE CITY CODE THAT DO REFER TO PRIVATE WAYS.  IN PARTICULAR THERE IS STATE LAW AND I CANNOT SEE THE SECTION OF MY HEAD THAT GIVES CITIES BROAD AUTHORITY TO MAKE TEMPORARY REPAIRS TO PRIVATE WAYS AND VERY EXPLICITLY SAYS SORT OF CITIES MAY SET THEIR OWN POLICIES ABOUT IF WHEN, HOW HOW MUCH TO HOW TO ALLOCATE COSTS AND SO THE MUNICIPAL CODE LANGUAGE REGARDING PRIVATE WAYS SEEMS TO BE IN RESPONSE TO THAT STATE STATUTE AND IT DOES LAY OUT SOME GUIDANCE FOR HOW THE STATE HOW THE CITY SHOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT THROUGH THAT STATE AUTHORIZATION.  YEAH, I THINK I MEAN WE'RE TELLING YOU THAT SECTION SIX AND IT'S JUST BECAUSE I LOOKED AT IT IT'S IT'S IT'S PRIVATE WAYS TEMPORARY REPAIRS ORDINANCES OR BYLAWS IT JUST SAYS CITIES AND TOWNS MAY BY ORDINANCE OR BY LAW I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE DIFFERENCES PROVIDE FOR MAKING TEMPORARY REPAIRS ON PRIVATE WAYS AND IT BUT DRAINAGE THESE ARE TEMPORARY. I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT WOULD BE A TEMPORARY REPAIR BUT EVEN RESURFACING IT'S A QUESTION AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CASE LAW THAT WOULD PROVIDE FLAHERTY ON WHAT A TEMPORARY REPAIR IS.  I WE HAVE A GREAT LEGAL DEPARTMENT BUT I MEAN I THINK WE MAYBE SHOULD EXPLORE SORT OF YOU KNOW, SORT OF LAYING THIS DOWN SO IT'S IT'S IT DOESN'T DEPEND ON WHO'S IN CHARGE FOR THE BETTERMENT PROCESS. I THINK IT'S JUST THE LAST THING IN THINKING ABOUT THIS I ALWAYS THOUGHT I'D GO WITH THE NEIGHBORS SHOULD GET TOGETHER AND DO THIS BUT LOOKING AT HARVARD COMMONS AND IS IT THE CASE THAT DEVELOPERS ARE MAINLY PUSHING THE BETTER OR HAVE YOU SEEN BECAUSE IT'S A YOU KNOW, A DEVELOPER WANTS TO COME IN AND BUILD SOMETHING AND THEN YOU KNOW, THEY THEY KIND OF LIKE OKAY, I CAN PUT UP HALF OF THE COSTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT OR IS IT DO YOU SEE IT COMING FROM JUST, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS OF EXISTING PRIVATE WAYS WHO WANT TO MAKE THEM BETTER? I'M GOING TO DEFER TO TODD.  I MEAN WE I IN MY TIME AS PC CHAIR PRESIDED OVER EXACTLY ONE BETTERMENT SO I DON'T WANT TO PRETEND THAT I HAVE THE HISTORY THAT OTHERS DO. BUT TYPICALLY WITH A DEVELOPER WE MUCH OF OUR PROCESS AND OUR RULES AND OUR APPROACH TO THE PUBLIC IMPROVEMENT COMMISSION'S ACCEPTANCE OR NON-ACCEPTANCE OF ANY GIVEN STREET IS INTENDED TO AVOID EXACTLY THAT CONDITION WHERE A DEVELOPER ESSENTIALLY PUTS ON THE TAXPAYER RESPONSIBILITIES THAT SHOULD BE ON THEM. THERE HAVE BEEN A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES BOTH NAMED HERE WHERE THE WAY THAT THE LAYOUT OF THE STREETS PLAYED OUT DID NOT ALIGN WITH WHAT THE PC OR THE PUBLIC HAD EXPECTED. BUT I THINK AS A GENERAL RULE WE DON'T. MOST OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH OUR STREETS THAT WERE LAID OUT IN THE DISTANT ENOUGH PAST THE PEOPLE WHO WE ARE TALKING TO ARE NOT THE PEOPLE WHO COULD HAVE MADE A DIFFERENT CHOICE ABOUT WHAT TO BUILD. BUT DO YOU WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING? YEAH, I'LL JUST SAY AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION DIRECTLY THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE BETTERMENT PROPOSALS THAT WE DO RECEIVE ARE FROM THE RESIDENTS AND THE ABUTTERS AS OPPOSED TO THE DEVELOPER IN SOME SITUATIONS THE DEVELOPER IS STILL INVOLVED WITH HARBOR COMMONS LIKE I MENTIONED THEY STILL OWNED A HANDFUL OF ABUTTING PROPERTIES BUT MOST OF THE PROPERTIES ARE VERY OFTEN SOLD OFF TO INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNERS. OKAY YEAH THAT SOUNDS LIKE PREFERABLE THAT YOU'RE NOT LEAVING A TAX BILL FOR 20 YEARS ON OTHER PEOPLE OR FLEEING THE SCENE. BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCILOR WEBER. I HAVE ONE QUESTION AND THEN I'M GOING TO TURN TO COUNCIL PRESIDENT LOUIJEUNE SO I THINK JUST BUILDING ON THE QUESTIONS ASKED BY COUNCILOR WEBER OFTENTIMES I WAS JUST CURIOUS SORT OF WHAT AND I KNOW THIS MIGHT BE A QUESTION THAT MIGHT BE BETTER ANSWERED BY THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT CABINET OR BUT WHILE YOU'RE HERE THE OFTENTIMES YOU KNOW, THERE IS A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENING ON A PRIVATE ALLEY OR STREET THAT MIGHT BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO LEVERAGE THAT OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE THAT DEVELOPMENT MAY BE NECESSITATING MORE USE TO THE SEWER OR ROADWAY AND AS PROPER MITIGATION FOR THE NEIGHBORS OR YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE PROPER MITIGATION FOR THE NEIGHBORS TO BE ABLE TO SORT OF LEVERAGE THAT PROCESS TO TO GET SOME OF THAT BETTERMENT DONE. BUT I MEAN A BETTERMENT PROBABLY THE WRONG WORD BUT TO GET IT UP TO THE CODE AND UP TO THE UP TO WITH WHAT WE WHAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN FOR THE BETTERMENT PROCESS TO START SO SO I'M JUST CURIOUS IF WE HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT CREATING COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT SO GIVEN THAT LIKE HAVE WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT LIKE SORT OF FROM A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE WHAT BTD OR PICKS FOR BOSTON WATER AND SEWER AS ROLE IS IN POTENTIALLY GATHERING ABUTTERS IN AS PART OF THE EITHER ARTICLE 80 LARGE OR SMALL PROJECT PROCESS TO TALK ABOUT THESE ISSUES ALONGSIDE ANY PUBLIC PROCESS THAT'S GOING ON WITH DEVELOPMENT ON SPECIFIC STREETS OR ROADWAYS. YEAH I THINK I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO MY COLLEAGUES ACTUALLY IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WHERE IT'S USUALLY WHERE THESE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT MITIGATION CONVERSATIONS START. I KNOW THAT THERE ARE EXAMPLES I'M THINKING OF A STREET IN ROXBURY WHOSE NAME IS ESCAPING ME THAT GOT SIDEWALKS ON A PRIVATE WAY THAT WERE CONSTRUCTED BY A DEVELOPER WHO WAS BUILDING ON THAT PRIVATE WAY AND SO THERE'S CERTAINLY EXAMPLES OF THIS BUT TYPICALLY THE QUESTION OF MITIGATION FOR DEVELOPMENT IMPACTS IS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW PROCESS WE PARTICIPATE IN THAT BUT IT IS LED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND I GUESS JUST AS THE CHIEF OF STREETS THESE ARE STREETS MAYBE NOT OUR STREETS BUT THEY'RE STREETS JUST CURIOUS. I KNOW PUBLIC WORKS AND BEACH D ARE OFTEN AT THE TABLE DURING THESE REVIEW PROCESSES AND JUST CURIOUS IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW THOSE PROCESSES AND THOSE OPPORTUNITIES COULD BETTER BE LEVERAGED BY BY EITHER THE STREETS CABINET OR AND OBVIOUSLY WE'RE UNDERGOING ARTICLE 80 MONETIZATION RIGHT NOW AND WE HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S WORKING AND WHAT'S NOT AND ALSO I MEAN I THINK THE LION'S SHARE OF ARTICLE 80 IS GOING TO YOU KNOW IS GOING TO STILL BE THERE . BUT BUT WHAT OUR OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE TO SORT OF ADD THIS TO THE LIST OF THINGS THAT COULD BE THOUGHT ABOUT. YOU KNOW, THIS IS A PLACE WHERE I'M NOT SURE THAT I'M IN A POSITION TO MAKE ANY SPECIFIC SUGGESTIONS AND PRECISELY BECAUSE OF ARTICLE 80 MODERNIZATION, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I KNOW THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS TRYING TO DO IS TO MAKE THE WHOLE PROCESS MORE PREDICTABLE AND MORE STRUCTURED AND SO HOW THAT WHAT THE INTERPLAY OF THAT GOAL IS WITH POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES ON PRIVATE WAY WAYS I THINK IT WOULD BE LARGELY A PLANNING DEPARTMENT CONVERSATION TO HAVE AS THE STREETS CABINET. I WILL SAY THAT YOU KNOW WE HAVE CERTAIN AND CERTAINLY WHEN WE'RE DEALING WITH PUBLIC STREETS WE HAVE STANDARDS AND GOALS AROUND SAFETY AND ACCESSIBILITY THAT ARE ALWAYS YOU KNOW, OFTEN FAIRLY NON-NEGOTIABLE FOR US. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO MITIGATION DECISIONS IN A CONTEXT LIKE THE ONE YOU'RE DESCRIBING OF A PRIVATE WAY, YOU KNOW, WE TEND TO BE DEFERENTIAL TO THE KIND OF THE INTERESTS OF THE COMMUNITY IN THE PROCESS ESTABLISHED UNDER ARTICLE 80 TO HEAR THEIR PRIORITIES AND TO THE EXTENT THAT MITIGATION MONEY IS AVAILABLE BEYOND THINGS NECESSARY TO KIND OF YOU KNOW, BRING A SIDEWALK LET'S SAY UP TO A STATE OF ADA ACCESSIBILITY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO SORT OF LOOK TO THAT PROCESS AS CREATED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO BE THE PRIMARY DRIVER. YOU KNOW, OUR GOAL IS NOT TO COME IN AND TAKE AS MUCH OF THE MONEY AS WE CAN FOR STREET STUFF.  THERE'S CERTAINLY THINGS THAT SOMETIMES NEED TO HAPPEN AND NEED TO BE PAID FOR BY DEVELOPMENT BUT WE WANT TO BE A COLLABORATOR WITH THAT PROCESS AND WITH THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO MAKE SURE THAT COMMUNITIES ARE GETTING WHAT THEY WANT NOT NECESSARILY WHAT WE DECIDE SHOULD HAPPEN THERE. AND THAT'S REALLY A HELPFUL DISTINCTION THAT YOU'VE MADE BECAUSE IT REALLY WILL INVOLVE COMMUNITY BEING PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS AND BEING PART OF THE PUBLIC FEEDBACK AND THIS IS ALL SOMETHING THAT WE CAN AND OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T ALWAYS KNOW WHEN SOME SOME OPPORTUNITY OR SOME DEVELOPMENT WHICH IS POTENTIALLY GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN WEIGH AND YOU DON'T ALWAYS YOU CAN'T ALWAYS WAIT FOR THOSE OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE THESE FIXES AND GET THESE ROADWAYS AND ALLEYS AND PRIVATE WAYS UP TO.  SO YOU DON'T ALWAYS KNOW THAT THAT OPPORTUNITY WILL EMERGE AND MOST PEOPLE ON THE STREET MIGHT NOT SEE IT AS AN OPPORTUNITY.  THEY'LL SEE IT AS SOMETHING THAT THEY'LL YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY SEE IT AS SOMETHING THAT IS SOMETHING NEGATIVE THAT'S HAPPENING ON THEIR STREET. BUT JUST KNOWING THAT THIS IS POTENTIALLY AN ELEMENT OF WHERE COMMUNITY FEEDBACK AND INPUT IN DIFFERENT STAGES OF A PROCESS MAY BE SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW CAN CAN RESULT IN SOMETHING GOOD ON THIS ISSUE IN PARTICULAR.  SO COUNCIL PRESIDENT THANK YOU AND APOLOGIES I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO AND PROBABLY WILL BE REDUNDANT BUT I WANTED TO REDUCE MY REDUNDANCY AND IT WAS APOLOGIES FOR THE DELAY WAS DEALING WITH SOME CARNEY HOSPITAL THINGS BUT THANK YOU TO THE MAKER TO COUNCILOR THE BAND TO COUNCIL WE'RE ALL FOR FILING THIS HEARING ORDER AND I WANT TO THANK YOU CHIEF. I KNOW THAT THIS I WAS LOOKING BACK AT MY EMAILS TO SEE ONES THE FIRST TIME THAT I HAD TO DEAL WITH THEIR PRIVATE WAY AND IT WAS DURING THE FIRST BIG SNOWSTORM THAT WE HAD I THINK IN 2022 AND WE REACHED OUT TO YOUR OFFICE. SO I WANT TO GIVE A BIG SHOUT OUT TO ROBERT LEWIS WANT TO GIVE A BIGGER SHOUT OUT TO NORMAN PARKS WHO LITERALLY WILL SOLVE ANY PROBLEM. HE WILL SOLVE ANY PROBLEM. SO WHEN I GIVE A BIG SHOUT OUT TO NORMAN TO LET THAT SECRET OUT TOO MUCH OKAY, FORGET HIS NAME. I DIDN'T SAY HIS NAME ON THE RECORD BUT YOU KNOW IT IS YOU KNOW, MY FIRST ISSUE WAS ON PRESCOTT STREET IN HYDE PARK WITH A FAMILY A HAITIAN FAMILY THAT BARELY SPOKE IN ENGLISH AND DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY AFTER THE SNOWSTORM THEY WERE SO PROUD THAT THEY WERE ABLE TO PUT PENNIES TOGETHER TO BUY THIS HOUSE AND DURING THE SNOWSTORM WHY THEIR STREET WASN'T WAS WHAT THEY FELT WAS NEGLECTED AND SO THEY'RE LIKE WE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS PRIVATE WAY WORRY WHETHER OR NOT LIKE WITH I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT WHERE THAT SORT OF LIKE INFORMATION GAP HAPPENS THAT EXISTS WHERE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT MEANS TO BE BUYING A HOME ON A PRIVATE WAY. BUT IF THERE'S EDUCATION THAT WE CAN DO THAT WE COULD DISSEMINATE MAYBE EVEN IF WE'RE IF THAT'S COMING OUT OF THE HOME CENTER WITH KAREN AND HER TEAM ABOUT LIKE YOU KNOW, ARE YOU BUYING A HOME ON A PRIVATE WAY? IF SO, THIS IS WHAT YOU MUST KNOW THAT THIS MEANS BECAUSE I THINK THAT THERE COULD BE A GOOD THERE'S A THERE'S AN IMPORTANT CONSUMER PROTECTION AND IMPORTANT CONSUMER ANGLE HERE.  BUT AS AN AT-LARGE COUNCILOR I DON'T I'M LOOKING AT THE LETTERS THAT ARE YOU KNOW, ONE OF THEM IS FROM MY ASSISTANT HIGH SCHOOL PRINCIPAL STELLA WROTE AN ISSUE THAT I DEALT WITH WITH COUNCIL ABOUT WHERE MY HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER LIVES ON LIKE ALL OF THESE ISSUES WE'VE DEALT WITH AND EVERY TIME WE FELT LIKE WELL IT'S WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A COLLECTIVE ACTION PROBLEM AND IT'S A COLLECTIVE ACTION PROBLEM PARTICULARLY TO GET EVERYONE ON THE SAME PAGE. I THINK FOLKS TALKED ABOUT HARVARD COMMONS AND HOW THEY WERE FINALLY ABLE TO GET MOVE THAT FORWARD. BUT YOU KNOW HOW DO WE DEAL WITH THAT COLLECTIVE ACTION PROBLEM? ARE THERE IS THERE A WAY THAT THE CITY CAN BE MORE INVOLVED? BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING FROM WHAT I IN TALKING TO COUNCIL ABOUT IS THAT IS AND I KNEW THIS ALREADY THAT THIS IS AN EXPENSIVE PROBLEM TO SOLVE WHICH IS WHY IT IS ONLY FOR TEMPORARY FIXES THAT THE CITY GETS INVOLVED AFTER THAT SNOWSTORM COVERING UP THAT POTHOLE. BUT IS THERE A ROLE FOR THE CITY IN HELPING TO SOLVE THE COLLECTIVE ACTION PROBLEM THAT EXISTS IN TRANSFORMING PUBLIC PRIVATE WAYS? THE PUBLIC WAYS I FRANKLY BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULDN'T HAVE PRIVATE WASTE. I KNOW THAT THERE'S DISAGREEMENT BUT IN ALL OF THAT AS AN AT LARGE CITY COUNCILOR HAVING DEALT WITH THIS ISSUE IN MATTAPAN AND ROSLINDALE IN THE SOUTHEND AND HYDE PARK, YOU KNOW IT'S THERE'S ENOUGH CONCERN AND ISSUE ABOUT THIS ISSUE THROUGHOUT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, THINK ABOUT WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE TO PREVENT THEM. I FEEL THE SAME WAY ABOUT PRIVATE SEWERS IF ANYBODY CARES ABOUT THAT I THINK PREFERENCE WOULD PRESENT A SIMILAR PROBLEM. SO I GUESS IF THERE'S A QUESTION IN ALL OF THAT BESIDES MY THANK YOU TO THE FOLKS IN ADMINISTRATION WHO DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE WHEN IT POPS UP IN COMMUNITY AND PROVIDE THOSE TEMPORARY FIXES, HOW CAN WE AS A CITY NUMBER ONE HELP WITH THAT CONSUMER EDUCATION AND NUMBER TWO HELP SOLVE THE COLLECTIVE ACTION PROBLEM OF GETTING PEOPLE ON THE SAME PAGE AND YOU KNOW, WITHOUT DISCLOSING ANYONE'S INFORMATION ,I KNOW THAT THERE'S A CHIEF AMONG YOU WHO LIVES A PROXY TO A PRIVATE WAY AND CAN SPEAK TO HOW DIFFICULT IT IS TO DRIVE UP AND DOWN THAT STREET. SO THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT AFFECTS, YOU KNOW, FOLKS IN NEIGHBORHOODS. THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT AFFECTS FOLKS IN CITY HALL.  SO I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR HOW WE CAN HELP WITH THE EDUCATION AND THE COLLECTIVE ACTION PROBLEM.  YEAH, GREAT QUESTIONS AND I THINK SOME REALLY GOOD IDEAS IN THERE AND PROBABLY SOME GOOD THINGS FOR US TO EXPLORE IN A WORKING GROUP WITH US HERE BUT ALSO SOME OF THE FOLKS FROM OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT TEAM, THE HOME CENTER YOU KNOW IT'S A REALLY INTERESTING THING ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE OF BUYERS AND YOU KNOW, COUNCILOR WEBER LIVES IN A PRIVATE WAY AND I'M SURE AS AN ATTORNEY KNEW EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS GETTING INTO.  DO YOU LIKE IT? WHY THREW THE CHAIR THROUGH THE CHAIR? SORRY MORE BUT SO WE DID GET WE LEFT THE PRIVATE WAY VOLUNTARILY. I MEAN THERE WERE PROS AND CONS WE HAD CONTROL OVER PARKING AND ESPECIALLY IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A LACK OF PARKING AND LIKE WE COULD SORT OF WE HAD ACCESS CONTROL THAT WHEN THERE WAS A HUGE STORM LIKE IN 2015 THAT WINTER WE WERE ABLE TO SORT OF CONTROL ACCESS TO OUR PRECIOUS SPACES AND MOVE SNOW AROUND IN WAYS OTHER PEOPLE COULDN'T.  BUT THE DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT WAS A BIG PROBLEM WERE BASEMENT WAS OFTEN HANDLED WITH RAIN THERE WAS JUST INCHES OF WATER IN THE BASEMENT AND SO YOU KNOW WE BENEFITED FROM THE LACK OF THAT THIS HOUSE COULD BE BUILT IN A ESSENTIALLY SOMEBODYS BACKYARD WHICH MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN ALLOWED IF THE CITY HAD CONTROL OVER THAT.  SO THE FACT THAT WE HAD A PLACE TO LIVE AND THAT THERE WAS THIS HOUSING SO AGAIN, I THINK IN THE END IT WAS NOT GREAT. THERE WERE MORE BENEFITS TO BEING OFF THE PRIVATE WAY THAN ON IT BUT I THINK PEOPLE GET ATTACHED TO, YOU KNOW, THESE SORT OF FRINGE BENEFITS OF THE PRIVATE WAYS BUT WHICH THEY GOT BECAUSE THE CITY DID NOT SORT OF HAVE AUTHORITY OVER THIS SPACE AND THEY YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WANT TO HAVE THE BENEFITS WITHOUT THE THE THE THE ISSUES LIKE HAVING TO PAY EXTRA TAXES SO THEY CAN GET A WORKING DRAINAGE SYSTEM OR SEWAGE SYSTEM ON THEIR PRIVATE WAY. SO YOU KNOW, I THAT'S THAT'S MY YOU KNOW THERE'S THERE'S SOME GOOD THINGS SOME THINGS YOU COULD BE QUIRKY YOU KNOW HOUSES STUCK ON TOP OF EACH OTHER THAT YOU WONDER WELL THIS ISN'T GREAT BUT AND COUNCIL I'LL JUST ADD TO YOUR YOUR YOU KNOW IT'S LIKE WE ALL BRING OUR FULL SELVES TO THE COUNCIL AND NOW WE'LL ADD TO YOUR IDENTITY AS FORMER PRIVATE ALLEY OWNER BUT BUT I'LL LET YOU GO CHIEF AND THEN AND AND COUNCILOR I'M COUNCIL PRESIDENT IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTION I MEAN I THINK I THINK WE COULD TAKE WHAT YOU JUST SAID AND TURN IT INTO THE SORT OF NOTIFICATION SHEET THAT WE TRY TO GET TO PEOPLE WHO ARE CONSIDERING BUYING OR RENTING OUT ON A PRIVATE WAY. RIGHT. YOU JUST KIND OF LIKE VERY BEAUTIFULLY LAID OUT THE PROS AND CONS OF THAT AND SO I THINK THAT SUGGESTION OF HOW DO WE GET THAT INFORMATION INTO MORE PEOPLE'S HANDS IS A GOOD ONE AND WE HAVE DEFINITELY SOME TOUCH POINTS WITH BUYERS AND RENTERS THAT WE SHOULD MAKE SURE WE'RE LEVERAGING FOR THAT . I'M ALSO THINKING ABOUT WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE THE NUMBER OF DISCLOSURE THAT I HAD TO ACKNOWLEDGE. YOU KNOW I WAS LIKE IS THERE FORMALDEHYDE INSULATION ON THE PROPERTY? IS THERE LEAD PAINT? WAS THERE EVER AN OIL TANK? ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE PART OF THE HOMEBUYING PROCESS AND I DON'T KNOW THAT A SIMILAR THING EXISTS FOR PRIVATE WAYS THAT MIGHT BE IF NOT A THING TO EXPLORE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT COULD BE DONE AT THE CITY LEVEL BUT MAYBE EVEN AT THE STATE LEVEL THAT THAT'S JUST INFORMATION THAT LAWYERS AND BROKERS ARE SORT OF OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE TO PEOPLE WHO ARE, YOU KNOW, EVEN PUTTING IT IN A REAL ESTATE LISTING TO GIVE PEOPLE A FACT SHEET ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO WITH THE PRIVATE WAY.  CAN I JUST RESPOND ONE QUICK COMMENT AND I SAY THANK YOU CHIEF.  I THINK THAT'S I THINK YOU HIT ON THE THE TAKE HOME POINT FROM THIS AND I GOT BEN WHAT ARE WEATHERILL FROM WEST ROXBURY HAD REACHED OUT HE WAS LIKE I LIVE ON A PRIVATE WAY NOBODY KNOWS WHAT THEIR RATES ARE YOU KNOW NOBODY KNOWS WHAT TO DO. I THINK I DO THINK THE CITY CAN DO A BETTER JOB IN SO YOU KNOW WHEN ANYONE IS BUYING ON A PRIVATE WAY THEY KNOW IT'S NOT JUST LIKE OH WELL THE REAL ESTATE AGENT SAID THIS OR THE YOU KNOW, THE NEIGHBOR SAID THIS AND YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE JUST KIND OF MAKING IT UP AS THEY GO ALONG. I THINK IF NOTHING ELSE COMES OUT OF THIS DOING DOING A I THINK WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB AND SO PEOPLE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT DIFFERENT RATES ARE, WHAT THEIR WHAT THEY ARE GETTING INTO. YEAH, YEAH. ON THE COLLECTIVE ACTION PROBLEM I THINK THAT'S ALSO A PLACE WHERE MAYBE THE CITY CAN HELP AND I'D LOVE TO EXPLORE THAT WITH MY COLLEAGUES IN THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT CABINET AND NEIGHBORHOOD SERVICES. YOU KNOW THERE'S POTENTIALLY A WORLD WHERE THE CITY FUNDS A POSITION THAT WORKS WITH PEOPLE WHO LIVE ON PRIVATE WAYS TO HELP THEM NAVIGATE ALL OF THESE THINGS AND THAT'S OBVIOUSLY A DECISION YOU KNOW, IT'S BUDGETARY DECISION. SO I'M NOT GOING TO SORT OF WEIGH IN TO SAY WHAT SHOULD DEFINITELY HAPPEN. BUT I THINK IT'S AN IDEA WORTH EXPLORING OF WHAT KINDS OF ASSISTANCE I'M THINKING ABOUT THE WAYS IN WHICH WE'VE INTEGRATED TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE FOR RESTAURANTS INTO THE OUTDOOR DINING PROGRAM.  IS THERE A WAY WE COULD CREATE A TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM FOR RESIDENTS WHO ARE ON PRIVATE WAGES? YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S HELPING THEM UNDERSTAND HOW TO HIRE A PAVING CONTRACTOR OR HELPING THEM NAVIGATE A BETTERMENT PROCESS? THAT'S ABSOLUTELY A ROLE THE CITY COULD CHOOSE TO PLAY IF WE RESOURCE THAT AND ACTUALLY THAT COUNCIL PRESIDENT YOU HAVE ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED. I THINK I THINK THOSE ARE THE BULK OF MY MEETINGS. SO I MEAN I THINK WE HAD WORKED WE HAD ALSO REACHED OUT TO EACH DRAWING AT SOME POINT TO SEE IF THERE WAS SOME MONEY FOR YOU KNOW, SOME PARTICULAR IT'S A PARTICULARLY DIFFICULT ISSUE FOR SENIORS.  SO I'M NOT IN YOU KNOW IN THE BETTERMENT THAT WE DO APPROVE IF WE HAVE YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE COULD IF THERE'S A WAY THAT WE PUT A SCALE ON THE A FINGER ON THE SCALE TO HELP OUR SENIOR RESIDENTS WHO HAVE AN EVEN MORE DIFFICULT TIME WHEN THEY LIVE ON PRIVATE WAYS BUT JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. THANK YOU SO MUCH COUNCIL PRESIDENT. AND WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY COUNCILOR CARLOTTA ZAPATA. DO YOU HAVE WE ARE IN A SECOND ROUND. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE ADMINISTRATION?  I WE DO HAVE ANOTHER PANEL THAT'S COMING IN. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE FOR PUBLIC TESTIMONY SO YOU HAVE 5 MINUTES. OKAY. I'LL BE I'LL BE SUPER QUICK AND I FEEL LIKE HIGH TIDE YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I'M GOING TO BRING UP GENEVA STREET IN IS BOSTON. IT'S OPEN.  YOU ARE GOING AND I WANT TO REALLY THINK COUNSELOR PREPARED FOR PUTTING THIS FORWARD BECAUSE YOU KNOW WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS I WENT BACK TO MY EMAILS AT THE TIME WE GOT IN JANUARY 2018 WE GOT THIS EMAIL IN FEBRUARY 2018 WE WENT OUT THERE, WE SURVEYED THE STREET AND GOING THROUGH MY OWN EDUCATION PROCESS WITH WITH THE PC IN PRIVATE WAYS HAS REALLY CULMINATED TO THIS POINT. SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP AND ASSISTANCE AND ALL OF THAT. BUT IT'S ONE OF THOSE INSTANCES WHERE FOLKS MOVE INTO GENEVA STREET OR ONTO GENEVA STREET AND THEY'RE LIKE HEY, WHAT'S UP WITH THE STREET?  IT'S ALMOST LIKE I HAVE TO REITERATE THE SAME INFORMATION EVERY SINGLE YEAR BECAUSE OF THE TRANSIT NATURE OF THAT STREET. THERE'S SO THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT DEMONSTRATE THE CHALLENGES WITH THE SYSTEM THAT I THINK WE'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH BUS, WATER AND SEWER AND VARIOUS OTHER FUNDING CHALLENGES. BUT FOR THIS PARTICULAR STREET IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE IT ABUTS MASSPORT PROPERTY AND SO THERE'S A PERCENTAGE OF THE STREET THAT IS OWNED AND I THINK MANAGED BY MASSPORT SO DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONAL ISSUES THERE AND BRINGING THEM TO THE TABLE HAS BEEN INTERESTING.  THE OTHER PART ABOUT GENEVA STREET IS THAT IT USED TO BE AUTO BODIES THAT HAVE NOW GONE OUT OF BUSINESS AND THERE'S BEEN SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT THERE.  SO SINCE 2017 THERE'S BEEN DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT HAVE PROMISED MONEY INTO THE SEWER SYSTEM OR AND WATER AND SEWER OR DIFFERENT SIDEWALK INVESTMENTS AND THEY ALL LIVE WITHIN MILIEUS THAT HAVE BEEN PASSED OR REVIEWED BY THE EPA BOARD.  AND SO ONCE THE NEIGHBORS FINALLY GET TO THIS POINT BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME NEIGHBORS ON THAT STREET THAT DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND BE A PUBLIC WAY, I HAVE A FEELING THAT NOW THAT ALL OF THOSE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS ARE DONE, THEY'RE GOING TO MEET A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO TO GET IT DONE ONCE OR IF THAT DOES HAPPEN KNOWING THAT MASSPORT IS IS AT THE TABLE, WHAT ARE THEY ON THE HOOK FOR? I GUESS IS IT CONTINGENT TO THEIR THEIR LOT COVERAGE OR HOW MUCH SPACE THEY THEY OWN AND THEN ALSO NEEDING TO GO BACK INTO THOSE AGREEMENTS AND FIGURE OUT THIS DEVELOPMENT PROJECT PROMISE X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS OR SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS LIKE HOW ARE WE GOING TO FIGURE ALL THIS OUT. YEAH SO THE MASSPORT QUESTION'S AN INTERESTING ONE. MY ASSUMPTION WOULD BE THAT THEY WOULD BE TREATED IF THERE WERE TO BE A BETTERMENT THEY WOULD BE ASSESSED PROPORTIONALLY THEIR SHARE BASED ON THE FRONT END CALCULATIONS THAT WE USE FOR DIVIDING UP THE BETTERMENT COSTS.  THEY WOULD ALSO HAVE VOTING RIGHTS FOR OR IN THE BETTERMENT PROCESS. I WOULD CAVEAT THAT BY SAYING SOMETIMES WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH STATE ENTITIES THERE IS STATUTORY EXEMPTIONS OR OTHER TYPES OF GOVERNING LAW THAT ISN'T THE SAME AS WHAT IT TYPICALLY IS BUT CERTAINLY IF YOU FOR ANY OTHER INSTITUTIONAL STAKEHOLDER THAT WOULD BE THE EXPECTATION BUT CERTAINLY A LEGAL QUESTION THAT WE CAN RESEARCH WE'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE SPECIFICS OF THOSE PPA BOARD MEMOS AND COMMITMENTS THAT WERE MADE THERE TYPICALLY THE BPCA THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT NOW ALTHOUGH IT MAY BE TECHNICALLY STILL THE EPA COLLECTS THE FUNDS ASSOCIATED WITH MITIGATION PAYMENTS THAT ARE TIED TO DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AND THEN WILL EXECUTE AN MRU TO TRANSFER THOSE FUNDS TO CITY DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR EXECUTING PROJECTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. SO I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WORKS WITH A QUASI LIKE WATER AND SEWER BUT THEY TEND TO BE THE STARTING POINT WHERE THEY SORT OF WILL COME TO US AND DO A MEMO WITH US THAT SAYS HERE'S YOU KNOW, $4 MILLION FROM THESE 30 DEVELOPMENTS THAT ALL AGREED TO THESE LITTLE THINGS THAT ARE CLEARLY STREETS PROJECTS WHERE YOU TAKE THIS MONEY, WE TAKE IT IT IS THEN OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO TRACK IT, EXPEND IT EVENTUALLY DO A PROJECT WHEN WE'RE ABLE TO DO IT, OFTENTIMES WE GET A TINY PORTION OF THE COST OF SOMETHING THAT'S ANTICIPATED IN THE FUTURE. SO WE SIT ON IT WAITING UNTIL WE'RE AT A PLACE WHERE WE CAN FUND IT EITHER WITH CITY CAPITAL DOLLARS OR OTHER DEVELOPMENT MONEY.  SO WE CAN CERTAINLY WORK WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT EPA TO SEE IF THEY HAVE ANYTHING ON RECORD FOR GENEVA.  IT IS POSSIBLE THAT SOME OF THOSE FUNDS HAVE ALREADY BEEN TRANSFERRED OR THEY MAY BE SITTING WITH THE BPA AWAITING SOME THRESHOLD TRIGGER TO ACTUALLY BRING IT TO US OR WATER AND SEWER WHOEVER ELSE MIGHT BE DOING THAT WORK. THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS IF THEY WERE FOR SIDEWALK IMPROVEMENTS ON A PRIVATE WAY IT IS UNLIKELY THAT WE WOULD BE THE RECEIVING AGENCY FOR THAT UNLESS IT'S TIED TO A BETTER BECAUSE WE WILL WE ARE NOT GOING TO CONSTRUCT SIDEWALKS. YOU KNOW THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT WILL NOT CONSTRUCT SIDEWALKS THAT ARE PRIVATE WAY SO THAT WOULD BE AN INTERESTING QUESTION OF HOW THOSE BOARD MEMOS ARE STRUCTURED IN TERMS OF WHERE THAT MONEY WAS SUPPOSED TO GO. THANK YOU. THAT THAT'S ALL EXTREMELY HELPFUL.  THE ONE RESIDENT THAT WAS LEADING THE CHARGE ON THIS MOVED AND SO IT'S HAS BEEN STAGNANT FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS BUT I CAN IMAGINE IT'S COMING BACK UP. I HAD ANOTHER EMAIL JUST THIS PAST JUNE OF SOMEONE WHO WAS LOOKING INTO THIS AND THEN I'M SORRY IF I DON'T DO I HAVE MORE TIME? I JUST KNOW YOU JUST RAN OUT OF TIME BUT IF YOU DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION GO AHEAD. I'LL BE I'LL MAKE ROUNDS. I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING LATE TO THE CITY SERVICES SO I'M THINKING SPECIFICALLY CLEVELAND PLACE IN THE NORTH END PRIVATE WAY. I GUESS JUST TO CLARIFY IN QUESTION, DO WE PROVIDE LIKE SNOW PLOWING FOR EXAMPLE ON ON THOSE CITY STREETS BECAUSE I'M GETTING VERY TWO ANSWERS. IT'S AT THE DISCRETION OF THE CITY AS TO WHETHER OR NOT TO PLOW STREETS AND WE TYPICALLY MAKE THAT CHOICE BASED ON PUBLIC SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS AS THE PRIMARY CONCERN IT IS IT'S A DEAD END STREET IN THE NORTH END AND THERE'S THERE'S A BLIND INDIVIDUAL THAT LIVES THERE.  AND SO I KNOW EVERY SINGLE TIME WE HAVE A SNOWSTORM AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN PASSED DOWN AND MAKE SURE THAT WE TAKE CARE OF THE PRESIDENT FROM SAL MARTINEZ TO LYDIA EDWARDS TO ME AND WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE I CALL IT PUBLIC WORKS EVERY YEAR TO TAKE CARE OF THIS PERSON. BUT SOMETIMES THINGS GET LOST IN THE SHUFFLE BECAUSE THEY LIVE ON A PRIVATE WAY. SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED THAT QUESTION. SO I APPRECIATE IT AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR WORK. YOU KNOW, THANK YOU SO MUCH COUNCILOR CLUB AS A PART OF THAT REALLY MADE ME EMOTIONAL BECAUSE I THINK YOU KNOW PARTICULARLY AS SOMEONE WITH AN INVISIBLE DISABILITY, THE ONES THAT ARE VISIBLE LIKE THE DISABILITIES THAT ARE INVISIBLE I DON'T KNOW I JUST IT REALLY MADE ME EMOTIONAL TO THINK ABOUT LIKE HOW WE CARE FOR PEOPLE AND THAT'S OUR JOBS AND WE HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES IN MISSION AROUND A PARTICULAR ISSUE THING THAT DOESN'T GET CLEARED ALL THE TIME.  THAT'S A PICK RESPONSIBILITY AND YOU HEAR THE STORIES OF LIKE OH SOMEONE SLIPPED AND FELL AND LIKE IT BECOMES YOUR PROBLEM LIKE EVERY TIME THERE IS A SNOWSTORM, EVERY TIME THERE IS SOMETHING AND I THINK THAT I DON'T KNOW THAT COMMENT JUST BROUGHT US BACK TO LIKE THIS IS ALL ABOUT PEOPLE. THIS IS ALL AND I JUST YOU KNOW AND I THINK I'M REALLY GRATEFUL TO THIS PANEL. YOU HAVE DONE AN INCREDIBLE JOB OUTLINING SOME OF THE POSSIBILITIES, SOME OF WHAT MIGHT BE LESS DESIRABLE IN A WAY TO MOVE FORWARD. AND I THINK OUR NEXT STEP IS A WORKING SESSION. WE DO HAVE A GREAT SECOND PANEL THAT COUNCILOR CRIPPEN PUT TOGETHER AND BUT I DO WANT TO BRING IT TO PUBLIC TESTIMONY FIRST. AGAIN, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE CENTER THE PEOPLE THAT ARE DEALING WITH THESE PARTICULAR ISSUES AND COMMUNITY.  SO FIRST WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM HELEN AND YOU HAVE 2 MINUTES AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM MARY SULLIVAN AND AND YOU HAVE 2 MINUTES YOU CAN GO TO EITHER PODIUM AND THEN YOU ARE YOU ARE BOTH RELIEVED. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU COUNSELOR NATURE COUNSELORS THANK YOU. I'M HELEN.  I'M A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF REIDSVILLE CURRENTLY I LIVE ON 28 PINE AVENUE WHICH RUNS BETWEEN CARMEL ROAD AND WEST MILTON THE STREET TWO THIRDS OF IT IS ST ANNE'S PARKING LOT BLUE HILLS COLLABORATIVE. THEY'VE PAVED THEIR PART OF THE STREET TO THE FAR END THE PARKING LOT AT THE OTHER END OF THE STREET WHICH HAS TWO HOUSES AND TWO ABUTTERS IT'S SMALLER THAN THE WIDTH OF THIS ROOM IS THE ISSUE GROWING UP AND READ WHAT WE USED TO USE THIS ROAD PINE AVENUE TO BIKE RIDE ON AND IT'S BEEN IN GOOD SHAPE UNTIL LET'S SAY THE LAST TEN YEARS OR SO. PART OF IT THE GAS COMPANY DOING THE EXTERNAL METERS HAS KILLED THE STREET. EVERYBODY ELSE AROUND US GOT PAVED.  WE DIDN'T. SO WE HAVE THE TRENCH WHICH IS BECOMING A PROBLEM. THE OTHER ISSUE WITH THIS IS YOU KNOW ACROSS THE STREET FROM US IS THE BLUE HILLS COLLABORATIVE, THE SCHOOL BUILDING. SO IT'S A SMALL YOU KNOW, VERY SMALL STREET.  BUT I THINK PART OF THE ISSUE WHICH I JUST REALIZED BY ATTENDING THIS IS THE WATER AND SEWER ISSUE. I MEAN THIS IS A VERY SMALL STREET BUILT IN 1960. THERE'S A SAW IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET. I'M WILLING TO BET IT'S BOSTON PUBLIC BOSTON WATER AND SEWER BECAUSE YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO REASON WHY THEY'D JUST BE A PRIVATE SAW THERE SO.  WHAT MY ONLY QUESTION IS NOW IS THAT LIKE CONTACT INFORMATION FOR JOHN IN THE BOSTON WATER AND SEWER AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR LISTENING TO ME . THANK YOU. AND I CAN FOLLOW UP WITH THAT NOW THAT I HAVE YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION. THANK YOU SO MUCH, HELEN.  MARY SULLIVAN, YOU HAVE 2 MINUTES AND I'LL START THE CLOCK WHEN YOU START SPEAKING.  THANKS FOR INVITING MEJIA.  I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE RESIDENTS OF HOBSON STREET A DEAD END PRIVATE WAY IN ROSLINDALE. I'VE LIVED THERE FOR 36 YEARS. WE'VE TAKE PRIDE IN OUR PROPERTY DESPITE THE FINANCIAL BURDEN OF MAINTAINING THE STREET AND SIDEWALKS IN THE PAST EACH RESIDENT HAS INCURRED A $6,000 COST TO PRIVATELY CONTRACT A COMPANY TO PAVE OUR STREET FOR THE TOTAL COST OF NEARLY $50,000. ANY HELP IN FILLING POTHOLES AND IN PLANTING TREES WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. ALSO ON A TOTALLY DIFFERENT VEIN BUT A PRESSING CONCERN FOR HOBSON STREET PAST AND PRESENT IS THE POTENTIAL CLAIM OF ABUTTERS GAINING ACCESS TO OUR PRIVATE WAY AGAIN A DEAD END STREET WE HAVE SPENT OUR SWEAT EQUITY AND MAINTAINED HOBSON STREET AT THE EXPENSE OF OUR OWN BANK ACCOUNTS THE THREAT OF DEVELOPERS GAINING ACCESS TO OUR STREET BY FORCING SLIPSHOD DESIGN WOULD LEAD TO SAFETY AND DRAINAGE CONCERNS AND MORE IMPORTANTLY COMPROMISE THE INTEGRITY OF OUR STREET THAT WE'VE SPENT YEARS AND MONEY MAINTAINING.  THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH MARY. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR YOUR TESTIMONY. BEN WEATHERALL AND SORRY PLEASE CORRECT THE PRONUNCIATION OF I SAID THAT WRONG. YES THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU.  HELLO BEN WEATHERALL I ON PARK PARK FRONT ROAD IN WEST ROXBURY WE GENERALLY HAVE GOOD SERVICES PLOWING TRASH SEWER I THINK IT'S PUBLIC SEWER. I WOULD SAY THOUGH THAT THE THE POINT ABOUT MAINE AFTER A SEWER REPAIR THE ROAD IS FIXED BETTER THAN IT WAS. I'M NOT QUITE SURE ABOUT THAT. I I TEND TO MAINTAIN MY MY SECTION WITH A TOOTHBRUSH AND SO THERE'S A THERE MAY BE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE THERE.  I WOULD ASK EVERYBODY TO RAISE A QUESTION CONSIDER LIVING IN A CONDOMINIUM THAT DOESN'T HAVE A LEGAL CONDO CONTRACT. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT IT IS LIKE ON A PRIVATE WAY. THERE'S THERE'S NO LEGAL CONTRACT BETWEEN THE RESIDENTS . THERE'S NO THERE'S NO AGREEMENT. SO IT REQUIRES GETTING YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT US CUTTING YOU OFF. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT WAS SO SO IT'S SORT OF SOMETIMES PITS NEIGHBORS AGAINST NEIGHBORS. NOT EVERYBODY IS WANTS TO MAKE CHANGES AND PROBABLY THE TWO REASONS RESIDENTS ARE AVERSE TO CHANGE ONE IS THEY DON'T WANT TO THROUGH GUTTERS AND THE SECOND IS COST.  THEY DON'T WANT TO SPEND MONEY. THERE ARE TWO REGULATIONS THAT FOR THE CITY HAS THE SAME KIND OF PRODUCTIVE. ONE IS THAT WE CAN'T CONTROL WHO ACCESS IS THE PRIVATE WAY BUT THE SECOND IS THAT WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN IT FOR EVERYBODY.  IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THAT THAT'S A VERY GOOD DEAL FOR US . SO MY FIRST SUGGESTION IS I THINK WE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO CONTROL WHO ACCESSES THE PRIVATE WAY.  THE SECOND SORT OF THING IS BETTERMENT OVER THE LAST 15 YEARS PEOPLE IN MY STREET HAVE LOOKED INTO THE PROCESS OF BETTERMENT TWICE AND IT'S BASICALLY BEEN REJECTED FOR FOR THREE REASONS. ONE IS THERE'S A MINIMUM WIDTH THE OR THE BETTERMENT PROCESS HAS A MINIMUM WIDTH YOU DO IT IF IT'S WHAT YOU'RE LESS THAN A CERTAIN WIDTH IT REQUIRES SIDEWALKS AND THE COST AND WE DIDN'T MEET ANY OF THOSE AND BECAUSE OF THAT WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING AND I THINK YOU SHOULD JUST GET RID OF THOSE RULES.  YOU KNOW YOU DON'T MAKE IT FLEXIBLE, MAKE IT FLEXIBLE SO THAT YOU CAN DO THE BETTERMENT PROCESS EVEN IF THERE'S NO SIDEWALK OR EVEN IF IT'S A SPOT A NARROWER STREET AND GET RID OF THE COST. THANK YOU SO MUCH, BEN. YOU'RE OVER TIME BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE COMMENTS FEEL FREE TO SEND THEM IN TO THE COMMITTEE EMAIL AND WE'LL PUT THEM IN THE RECORD. THANK YOU SO MUCH BEN ALLISON POOL TENNIS.  IT'S NICE TO SEE A FAMILIAR FACE. THANK YOU, COUNSELOR ALLISON FULTON IS FROM MISSION HILL AND I'M GOING TO SPEAK ABOUT SOMETHING A LITTLE DIFFERENT. IT'S A PRIVATE WAY OPEN TO PUBLIC TRAVEL BUT IT'S A FOOTPATH AND JUDGE STREET AND MISSION HILL GOES FROM PARKER HILL AVENUE TO CALUMET.  IT'S ACTUALLY BECOME PART OF THE WALKING CITY TRAIL. IT'S A VERY STEEP GRADE AND PART OF IT IS PAVED AND HAS BECOME A PARKING LOT FOR FOUR HOUSES ALL OWNED BY ABSENTEE LANDLORDS AND THE PART THAT'S FROM PARKER HILL AVENUE IS GRAVEL.  IT'S THE MOST USED ACCESS POINT TO MCLOUGHLIN PLAYGROUND. AND SO THINKING ABOUT WALKABLE CITY AND HOW I DON'T KNOW WOULD THIS FALL UNDER BUS AND TRANSPORTATION I DON'T KNOW BUT IT NEEDS HELP AND IT'S NOT SAFE AND IT SHOULD BE A PARK PARTNERED WITH THE CITY AS AN IMPROVEMENT MISSION HILL IS MANY HILLS AND SO THERE'S PAPER STREETS AND THERE'S PRIVATE WAYS BUT PEOPLE WALK FROM ONE SIDE FROM JAMAICA PLAIN OVER TO TREMONT AND BACK AND FORTH AND ARE USING THESE PATHS AND HOPEFULLY THE CITY CAN PARTNER WITH IT WITH MAYBE THE OWNERS. BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK SINCE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN VERY COOPERATIVE SO FAR. BUT THANK YOU. THANK YOU, ALISON.  AND I KNOW THAT COUNCILOR WEBER AND I ARE BOTH HERE AND WE SHARE YOU ALMOST AS A CONSTITUENT SO I APPRECIATE I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR FEEDBACK. SO OKAY, NEXT WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE SECOND PANEL AND I KNOW IT'S COUNCILOR ROBERTS CONSTITUENT BUT IN SPIRIT SHE'S MINE SO NEXT WE'LL GO TO THE SECOND PANEL SO WE HAVE ERIC COCHRAN, JOHNNY BENSON, NATALIE HERNANDEZ, PAUL AND BROCK KAREN EDWARDS.  IF YOU'RE HERE I WOULD LOVE TO . OH, VIRTUAL OKAY, GOT IT.  HEY, SORRY YOU COULD JUST OH, AND THANK YOU, JOHN, FOR BEING HERE. YOU'RE DISMISSED. IF IF YOU'RE NO LONGER YEAH. THANK YOU SO MUCH.  OKAY. HELLO? CAN YOU HEAR US?  YES, YES.  SO I THINK WE'LL GIVE I THINK IF YOU EACH WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MINUTE IS TO INTRODUCE YOURSELF ERIC YEAH, OF COURSE.  YEAH, THAT SOUNDS GREAT. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH EVERYBODY FOR THE INVITATION TO PARTICIPATE TODAY. IT'S BEEN AN INTERESTING DISCUSSION TO WATCH SO FAR. CERTAINLY SOUNDS LIKE A COMPLICATED ISSUE.  MY MY NAME IS ERIC COCHRAN. I'M A PROFESSOR IN CHEMICAL ENGINEERING AT IOWA STATE UNIVERSITY. I'VE BEEN DOING RESEARCH IN PAYMENT MATERIALS FOR THE 15 YEARS NOW WITH A FOCUS ON DEVELOPING NEW MATERIALS THAT ALLOW YOU TO GET MORE LIFE OUT OF EXISTING PAYMENTS AND BE ABLE TO USE RECYCLED CONTENT MORE COST EFFECTIVELY WHEN WHEN REPAVING.  SO A LOT OF WHAT I'LL BE TALKING ABOUT TODAY WOULD BE ADDRESSED SEEING SOME OF THE BACKGROUND OF THE RESEARCH THAT WE'VE WE'VE DONE IN MORE COST EFFECTIVELY REHABILITATING DAMAGED PAVEMENT STRUCTURES LIKE THE ONES THAT YOU'VE BEEN DISCUSSING.  THANK YOU SO MUCH ERIC. JOHNNY BENSON FOR OKAY NOW.  COOPER HERNANDEZ YEAH AND GOING FOR THE IMITATION ACCORDION THIS I AM CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER OF SOLAR INNOVATIONS WE ARE THE COMMERCIAL ENTITY MARKETING AND SELLING ALL THE PRODUCTS WITH THE TECHNOLOGY FROM IOWA STATE UNIVERSITY THANK YOU SO MUCH PAUL AND BROCK I THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO JOIN YOU TODAY. I REPRESENT KRAFT CO AND SPECIFICALLY A TECHNOLOGY CALLED SHIELD AND I'VE BEEN AROUND SINCE IT WAS DEVELOPED FOR THE INDIANA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AT PURDUE UNIVERSITY ABOUT 12 YEARS AGO SO I'D BE HAPPY TO TOUCH BASE ON THAT AS WELL AS A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT I THINK MAY ADD TO THE CONVERSATION YOU'VE ALREADY HAD. THANK YOU SO MUCH, KAREN EDWARDS THANK YOU.  I WORK ON BEHALF OF AMERICA'S SOYBEAN GROWERS AND IT'S BEEN OUR PLEASURE FOR ALL OVER 500,000 FARMERS ACROSS AMERICA. MOST OF THOSE ARE FAMILY FARMERS WHO ARE USING THEIR OWN MONEY AND THEIR OWN TIME TO WORK WITH COMPANIES LIKE THE FOLKS THAT YOU'RE HEARING ABOUT RIGHT NOW AS WELL AS SOME OTHERS AND IN MY ROLE I SERVE AS KIND OF A BRIDGE TO A LOT OF CITIES LIKE NEW YORK AND WASHINGTON DC AND OTHERS WHO WANT TO BE MORE SUSTAINABLE. BUT WE RECOGNIZE YOU ALSO REQUIRE HIGH PERFORMING PRODUCTS. YOU MAY BE AWARE THAT WE ALSO HAVE A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE AMERICAN LUNG ASSOCIATION WHICH WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF BECAUSE THEY HAVE WORKED WITH US AND RECOGNIZING THAT PLANT BASED MATERIALS ARE BETTER FOR THE ENVIRONMENT AND HUMANS TOO. THANK YOU KAREN SO I THINK THE GOAL FOR THIS PORTION AND THE SECOND PANEL IS REALLY TO JUST HEAR ABOUT MORE ABOUT SOME SOME POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS FOR SOME OF THESE PRIVATE WAYS AND ALLEYS IN BOSTON. SO I'LL I'LL LEAD OFF WITH THE LEAD SPONSOR COUNCILOR SO HAPPEN IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BUT WOULD READ YOU KNOW FROM SORT OF A CONVERSATION BUT THIS SECTION I THE GOAL IS TO ADJOURN THIS HEARING BEFORE FIVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE YOU KNOW KEEPING WITH EVERYONE'S TIME SO CANCER PREVENT OF COURSE AND I JUST WANT TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR JOINING AND PROVIDING SOME OF YOUR EXPERTISE AS YOU CAN TELL BY THE BY HOW PASSIONATE WE'VE ALL BEEN WITH THIS HEARING THAT THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC FOR US AND THAT EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY HAVE DONE SUCH AN IMPORTANT WORK IN REGARDS TO WHAT MATERIALS WE CAN POTENTIALLY USE SO POTENTIAL SOLUTIONS. SO I'M ACTUALLY CURIOUS IS IS THERE A CITY OR A TOWN THAT YOU ALL THINK HAS APPROACHED THIS ISSUE IN THE RIGHT WAY? DOES IT EVEN EXIST IN OTHER CITIES OR TOWNS IS THIS UNIQUE TO BOSTON? DO ANY OF YOU KNOW THAT IN YOUR RESEARCH SPEAKING FOR MYSELF I CAN SAY THAT I'VE NOT RUN INTO THIS ISSUE IN ANY OF THE PROJECTS REALLY THAT WE'VE WORKED ON. IT'S USUALLY EITHER KIND OF ONE OR THE OTHER PRIVATE OWNED IN AN AREA OR PUBLICLY OWNED IN AN AREA. I HAVEN'T REALLY RUN INTO A GEOGRAPHIC REGION WHERE THERE'S THIS KIND OF MIXED WELL I WOULD I LIKE I WOULD HEAR THAT BOSTON ACTUALLY HAS A WONDERFUL HISTORY OF PARTNERING WITH AMERICA'S FARMERS BIO HEAT HAS BEEN EMBRACED BY YOUR CITY AS WELL AS CLEANER BURNING FUELS.  BUT BUT MY EXPERIENCE AND I'VE BEEN DOING THIS OVER TWO DECADES IS THAT EVEN THOUGH WE FOR EXAMPLE, WE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS INITIATIVES TO PROMOTE THE BIO BASED THEY RECOGNIZE THE VALUE TO AMERICA'S ECONOMY AND GLOBAL LEADERSHIP IN TRANSITIONING TO PLANT BASED MATERIALS. BUT IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING RIGHT IS SOMEONE WHO'S WILLING TO SAY I'M GOING TO BE A LEADER FOR THIS EVEN WHEN THERE ARE RECORDS ON THE BOOK UNLESS THERE IS A PERSONAL CHAMPION WHICH WE HAVE SEEN ON A VARIETY OF CITIES WE'VE HAD SUCCESS WITH NEW YORK CITY ON VARIOUS PRODUCTS. WE'VE HAD SUCCESS HERE IN WASHINGTON D.C. IN PARTICULAR. BUT IT ALL COMES BACK TO A CHAMPION WHO IS WILLING TO HELP BLAZED THE TRAIL OUR EXPERIENCES THAT OFTENTIMES GOVERNMENTS IF YOU DO WHAT YOU'VE ALWAYS DONE YOU MIGHT NOT GET IN TROUBLE. BUT SOMETIMES WHEN YOU'RE AN EARLY ADOPTER AND YOU START TRYING NEW THINGS, WE'RE EXPERIENCING THAT RIGHT NOW OUR FARMERS ARE PARTNERING WITH A COMPANY THAT MAKES PET FAST AND FLUORINE FREE FIREFIGHTING FOAMS WHICH YOU KNOW EVERYONE IS VERY INTERESTED IN AS WELL BUT WE HAVE TO FIND THOSE EARLY ADOPTERS TO START BEING THE ONES SO MY MY HOPE IS THAT TODAY HELPS YOU FIND SOME SOLUTIONS. WE USUALLY START WITH A PROBLEM SOLUTION APPROACH. WHAT ARE YOUR BIG ISSUES AND YOU'RE HEARING THIS AFTERNOON WAS INFORMATIVE FOR ALL OF US ON THAT AND THE SOYBEAN GROWERS LIKE TO PARTNER WITH THOSE WHO WANT TO BE LEADERS FOR SUSTAINABILITY BUT WE RECOGNIZE THAT THOSE PRODUCTS ARE STILL HAVE TO BE COST COMPETITIVE, READILY AVAILABLE AND PERFORM AS WELL OR BETTER THAN THEIR TRADITIONAL COUNTERPARTS.  THANK YOU FOR THAT AND OH SORRY , GO AHEAD.  THERE'S SPEECH OKAY MAYBE NOT IN REGARDS TO WHAT NEW YORK CITY HAS IMPLEMENTED, CAN YOU ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT THEY HAVE STARTED TO WORK ON?  AND WE WORK ACTUALLY HAVE A COUPLE SLIDES THAT WE ONE OR 2% REGARDING THE NEW YORK PROJECT. SO DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO WAIT FOR THAT OR I CAN GIVE A BRIEF YEAH WHO HAS THE SLIDES ERIC YOU HAVE THEM SO YOU AND I'M SORRY I WAS HAVING AN AUDIO ISSUE SO YEAH I'M READY TO GO.  SO THE TITLE HERE IS SOYBEAN OIL BASED MATERIALS FOR HIGH PERFORMANCE SUSTAINABLE PAYMENTS. SO I KNOW TIME IS SHORT SO I'LL BE GOING THROUGH THESE RATHER QUICKLY AT THE SAME TIME IF I DON'T MIND BEING INTERRUPTED IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS AS WE GO THROUGH THIS.  SO REALLY LIKE WHAT I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU ALL TO THINK ABOUT IS THE SOLUTION IT'S CHEAPER REPAIRS FOR THESE PRIVATE ROADWAYS MIGHT BE RIGHT UNDERNEATH YOUR FEET SO JUST DO SOME BACKGROUND ASPHALT PAVEMENT IS QUITE PREVALENT IN THE US THERE'S ABOUT 7 MILLION LANE MILES OF IT CURRENTLY EXISTING.  A LANE MILE IS ONE LANE WIDE AND ONE MILE LONG. IT'S AN AREA ABOUT EQUIVALENT TO AN ACRE SO IT'S JUST AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF AREA THAT WE ALREADY HAVE COVERED BY ASPHALT AND AS YOU KNOW THE MAIN PROBLEM IS IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE TO INSTALL THESE COMPONENTS OF INFRASTRUCTURE BRAND NEW. SO THE AMOUNT OF ENERGY THAT'S REQUIRED IS ABOUT THAT OF A THOUSAND BARRELS OF OIL AND THE COST PER LANE MILES THESE DAYS CAN RANGE FROM HALF A MILLION TO EVEN GREATER THAN HALF A MILLION DOLLARS PER MILLION MILES. SO THAT'S THAT'S I'M SURE THAT'S WHY SOME OF THESE CRATERS ARE DEVELOPING AND THAT PAVEMENT ONCE NEW IS GOING TO AGE. AND SO OVER OVER THE WINTERS IN THE SUMMER IT'S GOING TO HAVE PRETTY EXTREME TEMPERATURES CYCLING SUNLIGHT IS GOING TO OXIDIZE PAYMENTS AND THEY'RE GOING TO START TO GET BRITTLE ONCE CRACKS FORM WATER GET INTO THOSE CRACKS. AND SO THE DETERIORATES AND STARTS TO FAIL AND SO TO KEEP UP WITH NEW PAVING IN THE US WE USE ABOUT 420 MILLION TONS OF NEW ASPHALT PAVEMENT EVERY YEAR AND IF YOU THINK THAT THAT'S ABOUT A BILLION BARRELS OF OIL WORTH OF ENERGY SO JUST ENORMOUS AMOUNTS OF ENERGY RANGING UP TO A FEW PERCENTAGE OF OUR TOTAL DOMESTIC ENERGY CONSUMPTION.  SO HOW DO YOU HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THE COST AND THEN THE ENERGY AND RESOURCE REQUIREMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH MAINTAINING PAVEMENT STRUCTURES? WELL, THERE WHAT'S UNDERNEATH YOUR FEET IS WHAT WE CALL RECLAIMED ASPHALT PAVEMENT.  SO AT THE END OF LIFE OF THE PAVEMENT IT'S A COMMON PROCESS TO GRIND THE TOP FEW INCHES OF THAT PAVEMENT DOWN AND THEN THE ASPHALT THAT WAS THERE THEN TURNS INTO A GRAVEL LIKE CONSISTENCY THAT THAT PRODUCT IS COMMONLY KNOWN AS WRAP AND IT IS REUSED IN IN NEW PAVEMENT NEXT DESIGNS GENERALLY BE LIMITED BETWEEN ABOUT 50 TO 30% OF OF A PAVEMENT AND FOR THAT REASON ESPECIALLY ON THE EAST COAST WE'VE NOTED THAT THE STOCKPILES OF THIS MATERIAL CONTINUE TO GROW YEAR OVER YEAR . SO A BIG FOCUS OF OUR RESEARCH HAS BEEN HOW CAN YOU INCORPORATE MORE OF THAT RECYCLED MATERIAL INTO LIKE NEW PAVEMENTS AND THAT TOOK US ON A LONG JOURNEY WHERE WE LOOK IN DETAIL AT YOU KNOW, CHEMICAL AND MOLECULAR STRUCTURES AND WHAT WE FOUND IS A LOT OF THE THE INFRARED ELEMENT THAT CAUSES THAT CRACKING IT CAUSES PAYMENTS TO FAIL ACTUALLY IS IS CAN BE IDENTIFIED AS PARTICULAR TYPES OF CHEMICAL DAMAGE. AND SO IT'S IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE CHEMICAL COMPONENTS OF ASPHALT IF YOU CAN CHEMICALLY ADDRESS THOSE DAMAGED SITES YOU CAN POTENTIALLY RETURN OLD ASPHALT BACK TO LIKE NEW BEHAVIOR. AND SO THAT FAMILY OF PRODUCTS THAT ENABLE YOU TO DO THAT ARE KNOWN BY THE INDUSTRY AS REJUVENATE ERS. AND SO ONE OF THE MAJOR OUTPUTS OF OUR RESEARCH PROGRAM HAS BEEN CHEMICALLY MODIFIED SOYBEAN OIL THAT'S ACTUALLY ABLE TO PERMANENTLY BIND TO THE DAMAGED SITES ON AN ASPHALT PAVEMENT.  SO IF YOU THINK OF A DAMAGED ASPHALT MOLECULE AS THIS THIS LITTLE BLACK CHUNK OF COAL HERE AND THE RED WOULD REPRESENT CHEMICAL DAMAGE THE SOYBEAN OIL MOLECULES ARE ABLE TO PERMANENTLY STICK TO THOSE DAMAGED SITES WHICH ENABLES THOSE COMPONENTS OF THE ASPHALT TO START TO BEHAVE LIKE NEW ASPHALT AGAIN. AND SO WITH THAT BASIC FAMILY OF SOYBEAN OIL BASED MOLECULES ,WE'VE ILLUSTRATED SEVERAL DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS AND IN MY COLLEAGUE MARK WHO WILL TALK MORE ABOUT THE SPECIFIC PRODUCTS THAT ARE NOW COMMERCIALLY AVAILABLE BUT JUST AGAIN REALLY BRIEFLY OVER THE PAST FOUR YEARS WE STARTED WITH WITH JUST THIS REJUVENATE OR AND ITS PRIMARY PURPOSE IS TO ALLOW YOU TO USE MORE RECYCLED CONTENT IN A TYPICAL HOT MIX ASPHALT PAVEMENT DESIGN IT'S ONE OF THE MOST EFFECTIVE MOLECULES THE COMMUNITY HAS EVER FOUND FOR THAT PURPOSE IS SIMILAR PRODUCTS YOU HAVE ASPHALT IN ROOFING SHINGLES AS WELL SO PRODUCTS FOR EXTENDING THE LIFE OF ASPHALT ROOFING HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED. WE'VE ALSO MADE RUBBER LIKE MATERIALS FROM SOYBEAN OIL THAT ARE USED FOR HIGH PERFORMANCE PAYMENTS FOR LIKE HIGHWAYS AND INTERSTATE ON ON THE LOW COST END OF THE SPECTRUM WE'VE DEVELOPED ADDITIVES THAT YOU CAN ADD TO 100% RECYCLED ASPHALT PAYMENT AND REPAY THAT WITHOUT ANY HEAT AND THAT'S CALLED A COLD NEXT RECYCLING PROCESS.  AND THEN WE'VE ALSO DEVELOPED PRODUCTS THAT CAN BE SPRAYED ON THE TOP OF EXISTING PAVEMENTS THAT HELP EXTEND THEIR SERVICE LIFE. SO THESE PRODUCTS HAVE BEEN BEEN TESTED PRETTY EXTENSIVELY . WE STARTED FROM THE FIRST TESTING IN 2018 THE NATIONAL CENTER FOR ASPHALT TECHNOLOGY WHICH IS IN THE WESTERN PART OF AUBURN UNIVERSITY HAS BEEN A KEY PARTNER IN THIS. THEY HAVE A FACILITY WHERE THEY CONTINUOUSLY LOAD TEST SECTIONS WITH THESE HEAVY DUTY SEMI-TRAILERS TO APPLY ABOUT 20 YEARS OF TRAFFIC OVER ONLY A THREE YEAR PERIOD.  WE'VE ALSO DONE QUITE A BIT OF WORK TESTING OUT THE PERFORMANCE OF OUR 100% RECYCLED COLD MIX PRODUCTS.  SO THESE ARE JUST SOME IMAGES OF OF THE PRODUCTION OF THAT TYPE OF MATERIAL. SO OVER HERE IN THE UPPER LEFT SEE THERE'S A PLUG NOW WHERE ALL OF RECYCLED ASPHALT IS SPRAYED WITH RIDGEVIEW HEATING PRODUCT AND THEN IT'S LOADED INTO TRUCKS WHERE IT'S THEN LAID DOWN AND COMPACTED INTO NEW PAVEMENT.  WE'VE DONE HOT MIXED PROJECTS ACTUALLY I HAD THE MASTER CHOOSE IT AS ONE OF THE SITES WHERE WHERE WE WERE AT A LOT OF INFORMATION ON THIS SLIDE BUT THE TAKE HOME IS WE WERE ABLE TO DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF MATERIAL, THE RECYCLED MATERIAL THAT WAS USED IN THE PROJECT WHILE IMPROVING ITS TOUGHNESS AND CRACK RESISTANCE PROPERTIES AND I GUESS KIND OF RELATED TO, YOU KNOW, BIG CITY TYPES OF APPLICATIONS, WE'VE SUCCESSFULLY COMPLETED A TRIAL WITH NEW YORK CITY. SO THESE ARE SOME IMAGES OF PAYMENTS THAT WERE PRODUCED WITH HIGH AMOUNT 50% RECYCLED CONTENT THAT IS IMAGES WERE TAKEN AFTER A YEAR THE PAVEMENT STILL LOOKED DARK DEEP BLACK AND AND KIND OF LIKE NEW.  SO REALLY AT THE UNIVERSITY WE'VE REALLY BEEN ON ON TAKING THESE NEW TECHNOLOGIES SCALING THEM UP AND THEN SCALING THEM OUT AND SO WE DID A LOT OF THE INITIAL SCALE UP WORK IN IOWA STATES IN SMALL 500 GALLON REACTORS. THOSE THEN GRADUATE IT TO YOUR MULTI-THOUSAND GALLON REACTORS IN OUR SOIL INNOVATIONS IS REALLY TAKING THIS TECHNOLOGY OUT OF THE UNIVERSITY AND HAS MADE IT COMMERCIALLY AVAILABLE. SO THAT'S IS MY MY SHORT SUMMARY GLAD TO DISCUSS FURTHER OR ALLOW THE NEXT SPEAKER TO CONTINUE THANK YOU SO MUCH. WAS THERE IS THAT THE CONCLUSION OF THE PRESENTATION ? YEAH THAT'S THE CONCLUSION OF MY SLIDES NOW WHO HAS AS ABOUT 10 MINUTES FOR THE SLIDES TO DELIVER AS WELL IF YOU'D LIKE TO CONTINUE DIRECTLY I CAN JUST ADVANCE THE NEXT SLIDE OR HE CAN SHARE SCREEN OR IN YOUR ORIGINAL ORDER THAT I HAD ANOTHER SPEAKER IN BETWEEN ME AND NOT SO HOWEVER I'D LIKE TO HANDLE IT. GOT IT. THANK YOU SO THERE'S ONE MORE PRESENTATION SO I THINK WE COULD GO AHEAD WITH THAT PRESENTATION BUT IN THE INTEREST OF TIME I THINK I'M TRYING TO GO AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE SO THAT I CAN HEAR SO THAT WE CAN HEAR FROM MY COLLEAGUES ABOUT ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAVE WOULD BE GREAT.  YEAH, UNDERSTOOD. NOW. Q DID YOU WANT TO SHARE FROM OFFERING ME TO ADVANCE LIKE I'LL SHARE MY SCREEN OKAY .  CAN YOU EVERYONE SEE MY SCREEN NOW? YES, YES.  OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M JUST GOING TO CONTINUE WITH THE ACTUAL PRODUCTS THAT WE WE HAVE AVAILABLE AS ERIC MENTIONED THE LINE OF PRODUCT CENTERS ON ITS UNIQUE ABILITY TO MODIFY IN ORDER TO BE MADE AND ASK FOR PAYMENTS AND THAT CAN INCLUDE, YOU KNOW, ACTUAL PAYMENTS BUT ALSO ASK FOR SHINGLES. SO THE PRODUCT ITSELF THAT WAS USED IN NEW YORK DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORT IN NEW YORK HAS A BIG PUSH TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF RECYCLED MATERIAL THERE IN THERE MAKES THIS ALL OF OUR NEW PAVEMENT THAT ARE LAYING AND WHY? BECAUSE THEY WANT TO REDUCE COSTS AND ALSO THEY WANT TO AND ALSO THEY WANT TO DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF THOSE RECYCLED MATERIAL MOUNTS AROUND AROUND THE CITY. SO THE PROTECT ITSELF WANTED TO GO FROM 40% RECYCLED MATERIAL TO A 50% 45% AND 50% RECYCLED MATERIALS THE FIRST TRIAL AND THEN AS A TRIAL GOING ALL THE WAY TO 60% AND THEN TESTING THE PROPERTIES OF THOSE MATERIALS COMPARED TO THE CONTROL WHICH WHICH AGAIN 40%. SO THE PRODUCT ITSELF IS SUPER 1111 IT'S A SOYBEAN REJUVENATED AS ERIC HAD MENTIONED THAT ALLOWS INCREASE AMOUNT OF RECYCLED MATERIAL WITHOUT AFFECTING THE PROPERTIES OF THE FINAL MATERIAL MEANING THAT YOU KNOW, I HAVE IN CONTRACT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY ISSUES OF CRACKING OR ROTTING OVER TIME. SO THIS MATERIAL IS ECO FRIENDLY, FDA APPROVED AND AGAIN IT'S PATENTED BY IMITATING A RECIPE FOR USING ASPHALT ROADS AND IN THE SECOND LINE OF PRODUCTS IS A MOTION FOR MAINTAINING A PRESERVATION AGAIN THIS DOES THIS BY YOUR BASE MATERIALS TO ALLOW THE MAINTENANCE OF ASPHALT ROADS IN SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE CAN APPLY OVER THE STREETS TO INCREASE THE LIFE EXPECTANCY OF THOSE ROADS AND THE WAY THAT WE HAVE FORMULATED IS TO ALLOW THAT DOES OILS TO PENETRATE THE ASPHALT AND REJUVENATE THE ASPHALT AND MAKE THEM LAST A LOT LONGER AND THEN THIS ARE ACTUALLY CLEAR MATERIAL. SO WHEN YOU APPLY IT TO THAT BY SKEW SO MEANING THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY MARKINGS ON THE ROAD YOU WANT TO AFFECT THOSE AND YOU ONLY HAVE TO RE RE STRIPE AND THEN HERE SOME SOME TESTING THAT WE DID THAT FRICTION COEFFICIENT IT'S NOT AFFECTED BY ADDING THIS OILS UNDERWROTE BECAUSE YOU WANT TO ONCE YOU ADD PRESERVATION TREATMENT ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU TILE YOU DON'T WANT THAT THOSE ROADS TO BE MORE SLIPPERY SO THIS IS ONE OF THE TESTS THAT YOU KNOW IT'S TELLING THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO AFFECT THAT FRICTION ON THE ROAD AND ALSO ADDING THAT MEANING THAT THIS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BETTER HANDLING OF STRESS AND THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO BE LESS SUSCEPTIBLE TO CRACKING AND LOWER TEMPERATURES AND LESS LESS BRITTLE.  AND THEN ONE OF THE LAST ONES THAT I WANT TO MENTION IS THIS 100% WRAP MILLION'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN USE 100% OF THAT RECYCLED MATERIAL ONCE YOU ROAD GETS AN END OF LIFE YOU CAN REMOVE THAT MILLION AND THEN PUT IT BACK WET WITH OUR MATERIAL TO TO HAVE TO HAVE A 100% RECYCLE ASPHALT AND THIS IS JUST ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE DID A SIX ACRE SO 100% RECYCLED MATERIAL WITH OUR PRODUCT AND SEE HOW IT CAN BE DONE REALLY EASILY AND THAT'S ALMOST A 110 TO THE COST OF JUST A NORMAL ROAD AND THEN THIS IS JUST AN IMAGE IF YOU TAKE A QUARTER OF THAT OF THAT OF THOSE MILLIONS IF YOU KNOW THAT TECHNOLOGY ITSELF WILL BIND EVERYTHING TOGETHER WITHOUT THE USE OF THE HEAT GOT TO USE OF HEAT SO THE THIS THIS THING ALREADY HAS GOTTEN A LOT OF ATTENTION FROM A LOT OF DIFFERENT SOURCE ESPECIALLY FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE TRYING TO INCREASE THE USE OF MATERIALS PRODUCING UNITED STATES AND FROM FARMS AND SHOWCASING IT AROUND THE UNITED STATES SO THOSE SORT OF PRODUCTS THAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT AGAIN HERE IS JUST A BRIEF SUMMARY OF THE OF THE PRODUCTS THAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE AND I WOULD LOVE TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. SO I ACTUALLY HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS AT A TIME I'M RUNNING FOR THAT BUT IF YOU REPEAT THEM CAN YOU REPEAT THAT?  SO I HAVE TO MY NAME IS JOHN JOHNNY BENSON. I'M THE PRESIDENT OF PRECISION PAYMENTS GEOCODING. I WAS HAVING A BIT OF AN AUDIO ISSUE THERE WE ARE PRECISION PAVING. WE ACTUALLY OWN 100% RECYCLED AT HOME PLANTS. TONY, THANK YOU SO MUCH.  COULD WE TAKE OFF THE CURRENT LIKE BECAUSE WE CAN STILL SEE THE SLIDES AND OH YES, WE CAN'T SEE YOU. OH YEAH. I APOLOGIZE. LET ME . HOW'S IT GOING, EVERYBODY?  SO BASICALLY WE UTILIZE SURFACE REJUVENATED SEALER. WE UTILIZE PALLET WRAP, WE UTILIZE A LOT OF THE AGENTS THAT YOU GUYS ARE TALKING ABOUT IN OUR ASPHALT CLEANUPS. I'M ACTUALLY ONSITE HERE WITH MY CREW RIGHT NOW TO RECYCLE ON A GAS STATION. BUT YOU KNOW, I WAS ACTUALLY DOWN IN IN HYDE PARK YESTERDAY AND I WAS GOING OVER THESE THINGS WITH THE GENTLEMAN THERE AND THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS THAT WE CAN BE RESOURCEFUL WITH OUR WITH OUR WASTE, YOU KNOW, SUCH AS LIKE YOU WERE SAYING RECYCLED ASPHALT SHINGLES.  I'M INCORPORATING A LOT OF THOSE FROM THE STATE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE STATE OF MASSACHUSETTS.  SO WE'RE USING A LOT OF THOSE THINGS TO UP THE AC LEVEL IN OUR APPLE AND WE'RE UTILIZING A LOT MORE RECYCLED ASPHALT THAN OH WE WE'VE LOST YOUR AUDIO.  OH, WE CAN HEAR YOU NOW. GO AHEAD.  SO WE TRY TO TAKE WE TRY TO TAKE THAT BREAK DOWN IN THE MORE REUSABLE RECYCLED PRODUCTS WE CAN PUT IN OUR ASPHALT AND STILL HAVE A GOOD PRODUCT THE MORE WE CAN LOWER THE COST FOR THE LOCAL PEOPLE WHO OWN PRIVATE WAYS AND PEOPLE OWN LARGE PRIVATE DRIVEWAYS YOU KNOW THAT THAT AT ONE POINT ARE VERY, VERY COSTLY TO PAVE. I MEAN IT'S JUST BECAUSE OF THE FACT OF WHAT MAKES ASPHALT YOU KNOW IT'S ONE OF THE MOST WE'RE USED IN RECYCLED PRODUCTS OUT THERE BUT PEOPLE USE IT 100% RECYCLED AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING CONSISTENT.  SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH AND TRYING TO TEAM UP WITH GUYS YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF YOU GUYS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PRODUCTS THAT YOU SPRAY ON IT AND THE PRODUCTS THAT MIX THEM WITH THE HOT ASPHALT RECYCLING THAT'S WHAT WE USE. I MEAN THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO LEARN IS THE BEST PRODUCT WE CAN PUT IN RECYCLED ASPHALT TO GET SOMETHING SUSTAINABLE, GET SOMETHING CONSISTENT PRODUCTIVE. SO. OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH COUNCILOR FOR PEN. DO YOU HAVE ANY ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS?  I DO AND I JUST WANT TO ONE START BY THANKING ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND FOR BEING SO PATIENT BY ALLOWING THE FIRST PANEL AND THE PUBLIC TESTIMONIES AND I WAS VERY,  VERY INTERESTED IN YOUR IN YOUR PRESENTATIONS ABOUT THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE AND HOW WE CAN USE RECYCLED MATERIALS AND SOYBEANS AS POTENTIAL REPLACEMENTS TO ASK FOR MY QUESTION IS IN REGARDS TO PRICING OBVIOUSLY PART OF THE CONVERSATION OF PAVING PRIVATE WAYS IS HOW EXPENSIVE IT IS. SO I WANTED TO KNOW IF YOU ALL CAN COMPARE AND CONTRAST THE PRICE BETWEEN REGULAR ASPHALT AND THE TYPE OF MATERIALS THAT YOU ARE ADVOCATING FOR.  SO WHEN YOU WHEN YOU USE YOU KNOW IF YOU ARE COMPARING THE PRICE WITH JUST BROKEN ASPHALT AND AGAIN IS GOING TO VARY ON STATE TO STATE. SO WE'RE LIVE IN IOWA RIGHT NOW . YOU KNOW WE GET AROUND $100 A TON OF ASPHALT RIGHT BY INCREASING THE AMOUNT OF GROUND MATERIAL OR THE RECYCLED MATERIAL IN SOME STATES, YOU KNOW, THEY ACTUALLY PAY YOU TO TAKE THAT FROM FROM THE QUARRIES OR FROM THE STATE.  SO IT'S GOING TO DEPEND A LOT TO COST SAVINGS IN HERE IN IOWA WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO PAY A LITTLE BIT SO THAT COST SAVINGS COME IN WHEN YOU CAN ADD SOME RECYCLED MATERIAL AT A LOWER COST AND THE VIRGIN ASPHALT SO YOU'RE PLACING A HIGHER PRODUCT . WE'RE A LOWER COST PRODUCT AGAIN I AM NOT AWARE ON IN MASSACHUSETTS IN BOSTON AREA HOW MUCH YOU PAY FOR THAT MATERIAL BUT WHEN YOU INCREASE AT THAT RECYCLED CONTENT AND IT'S USUALLY A LOT LOWER THAN VIRGIN YOU'RE GOING TO GET UP TO YOU KNOW 50 IF YOU ARE REPLACING 50% AND IF YOU'RE NOT PAYING FOR THAT YOU CAN GET, YOU KNOW, 50% REDUCTION IN COST . OKAY INTO INTO JOHNNY, THE WORK THAT YOU WERE DOING YESTERDAY IN HIGH PARK I'M ACTUALLY VERY SURPRISED THAT YOU WERE IN MY DISTRICT YESTERDAY. SO THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT.  DO YOU WHAT KIND OF WORK WAS IT IS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU SEE IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE THAT IS SUSTAINABLE FOR BOSTON? I KNOW THAT IOWA I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE WEATHER IS LIKE IN IOWA AND OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE OF THE COUNTRY BUT LIKE IS THIS SOMETHING THAT BOSTON'S WINTER CAN SUSTAIN?  CAN YOU GO WE'RE ACTUALLY I'M FROM VERMONT SO I DO THE WHOLE EAST COAST. I'M A NEW ENGLAND BASED COMPANY . I'M A FIFTH GENERATION PAVING IN MY FAMILY. SO I ACTUALLY TAKEN A LOT OF THE TIME HERE IN THE LAST TWO OR THREE YEARS OF MY LIFE AND I'VE BEEN RESEARCHING SUSTAINABLE WAYS TO RECYCLE ASPHALT. WE BUY THESE MACHINES.  THEY'RE IMPORTED FROM GERMANY. THESE NEW MACHINES ACTUALLY CAME FROM THE STATE OF MASSACHUSETTS. THE GENTLEMAN THAT I BOUGHT THEM FROM OR I'M BUYING THEM FROM HE HE DOESN'T USE THEM BECAUSE HE'S SO BIG NOW HE'S DOING HIGHWAYS LIKE BIGGER ROADS. SO YOU'RE INVOLVED WITH A PROCESS THAT IS FOCUSED ON RECYCLING, NOT FOCUSED ON PRODUCTION AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE.  I DON'T THINK IT'S A DURABILITY ISSUE IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO SEE IN TERMS OF LIGHT BECAUSE WE CAN LAY A ROAD THAT YOU WOULD NEVER KNOW IS RECYCLED. IT COMES DOWN TO YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH SCRAP AND HOW MUCH AC AND REJUVENATED FOR PUTTING BACK AT THE ASPHALT SO WE CAN ALTER THAT SUBSTANCE QUITE A BIT TO GET YOU GUYS A VERY STRONG SURFACE. WE WEREN'T DOING RECYCLING YESTERDAY IN HYDE PARK BUT I WAS PRICING A PRIVATE WAY FOR SOME RECYCLING FOR THIS MACHINE FOR THESE NEW MACHINES THAT I HAVE AND I WAS APPROACHED BY ONE OF THE CITY COUNCILMAN THERE THAT GAVE ME THE LETTER AND KIND OF INFORMED ME THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED MORE OF THIS, WE NEED MORE INPUT ON WHAT YOU GUYS ARE DOING AND HOW WE CAN MAKE IT MORE COST EFFECTIVE SO YOU KNOW ,THE THOUGHT FOR ME IS I CAN COME IN THERE AND I CAN RECYCLE SOMETHING THAT'S PREVIOUSLY PAVED BUT IT CAN'T BE SO FAR GONE THAT THERE'S NO ASPHALT LEFT BECAUSE THEN THERE'S NOTHING LEFT FOR US TO RECYCLE. SO WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO GET TO A CERTAIN POINT WHERE WE'RE DOING THIS BEFORE THE ROAD IS 20 BY 20 POTHOLES, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO SEE THE ACTUAL SURFACE THAT WAS THERE. SO WE'RE ADDING SO MUCH VIRGIN MATERIAL BACK WE'RE ADDING SO MUCH VIRGIN AC LIQUID ASPHALT AND REJUVENATES BACK INTO THAT SURFACE AS WE REMAKE IT AND I DO I DO KNOW THAT THERE'S PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT OFFER IN PLACE RECYCLING. I'VE SEEN IT IN CONNECTICUT, I'VE SEEN IT IN OTHER CITIES YOU KNOW AROUND US BASICALLY A BIG INFRARED MACHINE COMES IN, THEY REHEAT THAT THAT IS ASPHALT BASICALLY AND THEN THEY ADD VERY LITTLE AT THE BACK END OF THIS DOUBLE LONG DOUBLE LENGTH TRACTOR TRAILER TRUCK WITH BURNERS ALL THE WAY DOWN THE MIDDLE OF IT AND THEY'RE ADDING ASPHALT IN THE VERY END AS MUCH AS THEY HAVE TO. SO IT IS VERY MINIMAL JUST TO GET IT BACK FLAT AND YOU KNOW,  IMPERMEABLE AGAIN SO IT DOESN'T HAVE PRACTICUM OF ALLEGATIONS OF THEY'RE DIMINUTION AND ALL THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. NO, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE OFFER. WE ALSO OFFER INFRARED PATCHING WHERE WE'RE BASICALLY DOING A HOT IN PLACE PATCH THAT IS BASICALLY COMPARING TO DOING, YOU KNOW, HOT ASPHALT PAVING.  YOU CAN DO A SIX BY EIGHT AREA FOR $750 AND THAT'S A DECENT SIZED PATCH WHEREAS IF YOU WERE TO PAY THAT YOU WOULD BE PAYING 1500 OR $2,000. SO THAT KIND OF JUST GIVES YOU AN IDEA ON YOUR CALL POST THANK THANK YOU SO MUCH JOHNNY OKAY. SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO PUBLIC TESTIMONY BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE ONLINE FOR PUBLIC TESTIMONY SO WE'RE GOING TO DO 2 MINUTES PER PERSON AND I KNOW I THINK WE'VE GOT AT LEAST TEN PEOPLE ON ZOOM WAITING TO TESTIFY. SO I JUST WANT TO I WILL BE SINCE WILL BE HAVING A LOT OF VIRTUAL TESTIMONY I WILL BE SAYING TIME WHEN YOU'RE AT 2 MINUTES. SO FEEL FREE TO FINISH YOUR SENTENCE OR FEEL FREE TO FINISH YOU KNOW, FINISH YOUR THOUGHT BUT I'LL SAY TIME WHEN WE'RE AT 2 MINUTES AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THROUGH WE GET THROUGH THIS AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE GETS THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME SO AND I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DONE BY FIVE SO SO I DON'T HAVE THE LIST IN FRONT OF ME FOR VIRTUAL.  OKAY. SO WE'LL JUST PUT EVERYONE UP IN THE ORDER. OKAY.  SO LET'S TAKE THEIR NAMES STUFF SO THAT'S 404 LEFT. OKAY. OKAY SO WE HAVE FOUR PUBLIC TESTIMONY LEFT. I KNOW SOME OTHERS HAVE SUBMITTED PUBLIC TESTIMONY VIA THE COMMITTEE EMAIL SO SO I THINK OUR FIRST I JUST I DON'T KNOW WHO TO CALL UPON BUT YOU CAN DO IT. OKAY PERFECT.  HELLO? GREAT. YOU HAVE 2 MINUTES. WE CAN'T SEE YOU. IF YOU'D LIKE TO GO ON VIDEO.  OH, PERFECT. NOW WE CAN SEE YOU. YOU HAVE 2 MINUTES. SO HERSHEL ARENAS, MY HUSBAND THIS IS MADE LIVING AND HE ALLOWED ME TO SPEAK ON OUR BEHALF. WE LIVE ON A SMALL DEAD END PRIVATE WAY WHICH IS A TOTAL OF NINE HOUSES TWO OF WHICH ARE DAUGHTERS AND SOME OF THEM ACTUALLY LOCATED ON THE STREET ,FIVE OF WHICH ARE RETIRED FOLKS ON A FIXED INCOME WANTED TO GO IN DAILY DIALYSIS.  WE ACTUALLY TRIED TO GET SOME ESTIMATES AND I HAD SOME MEETINGS WITH THE REST OF THE FOLKS THAT WE COULD FIND. THERE IS ONE ABSENTEE LANDLORD THAT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO TALK ABOUT REPAVING THE STREET AND IT WAS NOT FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE AT THAT POINT. SO TEN YEARS LATER THAT ITEM RESURFACED AGAIN BECAUSE GUESS WHAT? THE SURFACE IS NOT GETTING ANY BETTER. IT'S GETTING WORSE.  AND SO WE HAVE THE SAME RESPONSE FROM FOLKS NOW DIFFERENT CERTAIN FOLKS FROM THIS RESTAURANT, SAME WE CAN'T FINANCIALLY FAULT. SO MY QUESTION WAS IS THERE ANY PROGRAM FROM THE CITY OF BOSTON THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED IN TERMS OF REDUCED INTEREST LOANS TO MODERATE FINANCIAL HELP? WE ALSO HAVE A STORM DRAIN AT THE END OF THE STREET THAT WAS PUT THERE BY THE DEVELOPER THAT WE ALREADY HAD TO PAY ONCE TO CLEAN OUT BECAUSE IT WAS CONTROLLED AND I SUSPECT THAT UNLESS SOMETHING CHANGES WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE AGAIN AND OURS IS A SMALL STREET SO WE ALLOW IT TO FLOOD.  IT'S GOING TO SPILL OVER TO HOUSES THE SPACE BUSINESS STREET SO IT'S GOING TO BE MUCH WORSE THAN JUST OUR LITTLE STREET.  SO I'M JUST LOOKING FOR A SOLUTIONS OR ANY HELP THAT THE CITY CAN PROVIDE. WE CAN CONVERT IT TO PUBLIC WAY BECAUSE IT'S TOO NARROW AND NARROW FOR INSTANCE NOT EVEN TO OCCUR. SO THAT'S NOT AN OPTION. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND COULD YOU JUST CLARIFY WAS IS IT A BOSTON LIKE DID BOSTON WATER AND SEWER CLEAN OUT THE DRAIN? WE KNOW WE HAD OUR PRIVATE CONTRACTOR TO DO THAT. OKAY, THAT'S HELPFUL. WE'LL I IF YOU CAN MAKE SURE WE HAVE YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION,  WE'LL FOLLOW UP WITH YOU TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. OKAY.  IT'S THE EMAIL THAT I PROVIDED FOR THE JOIN LINK IS THE SAME.  OH PERFECT. OKAY, THAT SOUNDS GREAT. WELL WE'LL TRY TO GET BACK TO YOU AS SOON AS SOON AS WE HAVE AN ANSWER. THANK YOU.  OKAY. NEXT YOU'LL HAVE 2 MINUTES AND AND I WILL LET YOU KNOW WHEN YOU'RE AT TIME YOU SHOULD FEEL I'M NOT SURE MY ON OR YOU WOULD. GREG YOU CAN GO AHEAD SORRY WE COULDN'T SEE YOU ON THIS END SO WE WERE JUST WAITING YOU'RE NOT ON VIDEO BUT AND THAT'S TOTALLY FINE IF IT'S INTENTIONAL, IT'S NOT OTHER. THERE YOU ARE. RIGHT. OKAY. YOU HAVE TO MAKE A GOOD THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THIS HEARING IS THE LAST ONE I LIVE IN A I'M A CO-LEADER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION NEAR MOUNT NEAR CUMMINGS, AN AMERICAN LEGION AND THIS IS WHERE STELLAR ROAD IS WHICH HAS BEEN MENTIONED A LOT OF TIMES. I WANT TO THANK OUR COUNCILORS FOR OUR RAISING IT AS AN ISSUE. BUT TO BE SPECIFIC IT'S MAYBE 800 FEET LONG, 15 HOUSES MOSTLY HOMEOWNERS OR WORKING CLASS BLUE COLLAR NEIGHBORHOOD A COUPLE OF TIMES PEOPLE TRYING TO PRICE OUT RESURFACING AND THEY'RE HAVING ENOUGH PROBLEMS PAYING OFF THEIR MORTGAGE THAT THEY REALLY CAN'T AFFORD IT. AND OF COURSE THE PUBLIC OPTION IS EVEN MORE EXPENSIVE EVEN OVER A 20 YEAR PAYBACK. SO THAT THAT WAS ALSO REJECTED BY THE NEIGHBORS. IT'S USED AS A PASS THROUGH FROM HYDE PARK TO AMERICAN LEGION. IT'S BEATEN UP THE ROAD.  THE POTHOLES EARLIER THIS YEAR GOT TURNED INTO CRATERS SUBMITTED ALMOST INACCESSIBLE HOT VEHICLES WERE DAMAGED TRYING TO CROSS IT.  WE'RE SORT OF IN AN IN PASS HERE OF WHAT TO DO AND I SUGGEST THE CITY TAKE ACCOUNT OF WHICH NEIGHBORHOODS NEED THE ASSISTANCE BECAUSE OF BASICALLY A LACK OF RESOURCES AMONG THEMSELVES EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE HOMEOWNERS MOST OF THEM THAT EVEN KEEPING THEIR HOMES IS A STRUGGLE AND IT'S IT SO FAR WE DON'T SEEM TO HAVE A REAL SOLUTION TO IT. SO I HOPE THAT ASPECT OF AFFORDABILITY FOR THESE REPAIRS WILL BE CONSIDERED. THANK YOU.  THANK YOU SO MUCH, RICK. YOU'RE RIGHT ON TIME. IT'S LIKE YOU'VE DONE THIS BEFORE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. SO I THINK I'M REALLY GRATEFUL FOR THE CONVERSATION THAT WE THAT TOOK PLACE TODAY. I THINK OUR FIRST PANEL PARTICULARLY HEARING FROM THE BOSTON WATER AND SEWER COMMISSION, HEARING FROM THE STREETS CABINET AND HEARING FROM PICK I THINK WAS EXTREMELY HELPFUL IN GUIDING WHERE THIS CONVERSATION MIGHT GO IN THE FUTURE AND WHAT OPPORTUNITIES MIGHT EXIST IN THE FUTURE AND AND SORT OF WHAT ARE THE DOWNSIDE AND WHAT ARE THE UPSIDES OF PARTICULAR OPPORTUNITIES FOR COLLABORATION AND IT WAS INTERESTING TO HEAR FROM THE SECOND PANEL AS WELL REGARDING SOME SOME NEW TECHNOLOGIES THAT EXIST.  I DO THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO BE CLEAR THAT OUR HEARINGS ARE REALLY NOT THE PERFECT PLACE TO TO YOU KNOW, DEAL WITH ,YOU KNOW, WHO MAY END UP SELLING TO THE CITY IN THE FUTURE.  BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY AS THE CITY COUNCIL WE DON'T DECIDE CONTRACTS THOSE ARE YOU KNOW, INDIVIDUAL CITY DEPARTMENTS DECISIONS AND PROCUREMENT AND THERE'S SO MUCH THAT GOES INTO THAT AND SO I APPRECIATE THE YOU KNOW, PROPOSE ALL OF NEW TECHNOLOGIES BUT JUST WANTED TO BE VERY CLEAR LIKE IN OUR IN OUR COMMITTEE WE DON'T REALLY MAKE THOSE DECISIONS SO BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE THE CO-SPONSORS AND OUR LEAD SPONSOR ACCOUNTS ARE PREPARED FOR LEADING THIS CONVERSATION. IT'S SO IMPORTANT AND YOU CAN HEAR IN THE VOICES OF THOSE THAT ARE TESTIFYING THIS IS EXTREMELY PERSONAL TO THEM AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE DEALING WITH AND IN OUR COMMUNITIES IN BOSTON AND IT'S SO GERMANE TO HOW PEOPLE GET AROUND AND AND THE FACILITIES IN WHICH THEY ARE AND HOW THEY'RE GETTING AROUND AND THE QUALITY OF THOSE ROADS AND SIDEWALKS AND REALLY APPRECIATE ACCOUNTS OF RIPON FOR LEADING THIS CONVERSATION. DO YOU HAVE A CLOSING STATEMENT? I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYONE THAT PARTICIPATED TODAY. I WANT TO THANK MORE IMPORTANTLY THE RESIDENTS THAT CONTINUE TO ADVOCATE FOR THEIR STREETS, THAT CONTINUE TO EMAIL US JUST VERY THANKFUL FOR FOR EVERYONE THAT PARTICIPATED INTO THIS CONVERSATION. THIS IS ONLY THE BEGINNING. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. AND I THINK IT WAS VERY CLEAR FROM NEXT STEPS THAT FOLKS AND OUR FELLOW COUNCILORS AND OUR STREETS CABINET IS INTERESTED IN PURSUING A CONVERSATION AROUND THIS THROUGH A WORKING SESSION WHICH MIGHT BE EASIER TO BE AROUND A TABLE AND GIVES US A CHANCE TO FOLLOW UP ON SOME OF WHAT WAS DISCUSSED HERE SO EVERYONE SHOULD BE ON THE LOOKOUT BUT AT THIS TIME THE HEARING ON DOCKET 0763 IS ADJOURNED