##VIDEO ID:rclziSeobAs##  FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS HENRY SANTANA AT LARGE CITY COUNCIL AND I AM THE CHAIR OF THE BOSTON CITY COUNCIL COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE. TODAY IS DECEMBER 5TH, 2024 IN ACCORDANCE WITH CHAPTER TWO OF THE ACTS OF 2023 MODIFYING CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS OF THE OPEN MEETING LAW AND RELIEVING PUBLIC BODIES OF CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS INCLUDING THE REQUIREMENT THAT PUBLIC BODIES CONDUCT ITS MEETING IN A PUBLIC PLACE THAT IS OPEN AND PHYSICALLY ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. THE CITY COUNCIL WILL BE CONDUCTING THIS HEARING VIRTUALLY VIA ZOOM. THIS HEARING IS BEING RECORDED. IT IS ALSO BEING LIVESTREAMED AT BOSTON DARK OF SLASH CITY COUNCIL TV AND BROADCASTED ON CHANNEL EIGHT RCN CHANNEL 82 FILES CHANNEL 964. WRITTEN COMMENTS MAY MAY BE SENT TO THE COMMITTEE EMAIL AT C P AS AT BOSTON DARKO AND WILL BE MADE PART OF THE RECORD AND AVAILABLE TO ALL COUNCILORS AND PUBLIC TESTIMONY WILL BE TAKEN AT THE END OF THIS HEARING. INDIVIDUALS WILL BE CALLED ON IN THE ORDER IN WHICH THEY SIGNED UP AND WILL HAVE 2 MINUTES TO TESTIFY. IF YOU WISH TO SIGN UP FOR PUBLIC TESTIMONY AND HAVE NOT DONE SO PLEASE EMAIL OUR CENTRAL STAFF LIAISON.  SHANE PACK SHANE DARK PACK BOSTON DARK GO FOR THE ZOOM LINK AND YOUR NAME WILL BE ADDED TO THE LIST.  TODAY'S HEARING IS ON DOCKET NUMBER 1 TO 0 EIGHT. ORDER FOR A HEARING TO REVIEW THE USAGE OF SECURITY CAMERAS IN BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS.  THIS MATTER WAS SPONSORED BY MYSELF AND COUNCILOR BENJAMIN WEBER AND REFERRED TO THE COMMITTEE ON AUGUST SEVEN, 2020 FOR. TODAY I AM JOINED BY MY COLLEAGUES IN ORDER OF ARRIVAL COUNCILOR JOHN FITZGERALD AND COUNCILOR BEN WEBER.  WE ALSO RECEIVED LETTERS OF ABSENCE FROM COUNCILOR VK PEPEN FROM DISTRICT FIVE AND COUNCILOR GABRIELLA PIPER FROM DISTRICT ONE.  I'M GOING TO READ THEIR LETTERS INTO THE RECORD.  DEAR CHAIR SANTANA, MR CLERK AND COUNCIL COLLEAGUES I REGRET TO INFORM YOU THAT I AM UNABLE TO ATTEND TODAY'S COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE HEARING ON DOCKET NUMBER 1208.  ORDER FOR A HEARING TO REVIEW THE USES OF SECURITY CAMERAS IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS. MY STAFF WILL BE WILL WATCH THE LIVE AND REPORT BACK TO ME . I WILL FOLLOW UP WITH ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS FOR REVIEW INTO THE RECORDING AND MY STAFF NOTES. SINCERELY A RECAP AND FROM DISTRICT FIVE I DEAR CHAIRMAN SANTANA AND COUNCIL COLLEAGUES. I REGRET TO INFORM YOU THAT I WILL BE ABSENT FROM TODAY'S BOSTON CITY COUNCIL HEARING ON DOCKET NUMBER 1208 ORDER FOR A HEARING TO REVIEW THE USAGE OF SECURITY CAMERAS IN BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS. THE SAFETY OF A BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOL STUDENTS IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE ACROSS ALL LEARNING ENVIRONMENTS.  MANY OF OUR SCHOOL BUILDINGS ARE IN NEED OF UP TO DATE RESOURCE INCLUDING PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS, SYSTEMS AND CAMERAS TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF ALL STUDENTS ESPECIALLY THOSE WITH SPECIAL NEEDS.  SECURING A BUDGET TO ENSURE UPKEEP OF THESE TECHNOLOGIES IS ESSENTIAL AND I AM SUPPORTIVE OF IMPLEMENTING THESE TYPES OF MEASURES WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ALSO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE PROTECTION OF OUR SCHOOL COMMUNITY'S FOURTH AMENDMENT RIGHTS SO THAT THEY ARE NOT VIOLATED. A MEMBER OF MY STAFF WILL BE LISTENING IN AND I WILL BE I WILL BE REVIEWING THE RECORDING. CARLY READ THIS LETTER INTO THE RECORD. SINCERELY GABRIELA PARADIS ABOUT THE LANSING CITY COUNCILOR DISTRICT ONE I'D LIKE TO GET ELECTED SET SOME CONTEXT FOR TODAY'S HEARING IF MY CO-SPONSOR COUNCILOR WEBER AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A BRIEF REMARKS ON CONTEXT AS WELL AND THEN JUMP RIGHT INTO OUR PANELS AND REMARKS AND QUESTIONS FROM MY COLLEAGUES.  IN 2021 THE CITY COUNCIL UNANIMOUSLY PASSED THE SURVEILLANCE OVERSIGHT ORDINANCE WITH THE INTENTION OF INCREASING ACCOUNTABILITY, TRANSPARENCY AND OVERSIGHT OF THE CITY'S USE OF SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY AND DATA. THIS ORDINANCE MANDATES EACH CITY DEPARTMENT TO PUBLISH A SURVEILLANCE USE POLICY FOR EACH TECHNOLOGY USE BY THE CITY OF BOSTON AS WELL AS AN ANNUAL SURVEILLANCE REPORT DETAILING THE ACTUAL USAGE OF EACH OF THOSE TECHNOLOGIES. THE COMMITTEE PREVIOUSLY HELD TWO HEARINGS ABOUT ELEMENTS OF THE CITY OF BOSTON 2023 ANNUAL SURVEILLANCE REPORT ON JULY 31ST, 2024. TODAY'S HEARING IS NOW THE THIRD RELATED TO THE 2023 REPORT. COMMUNITY ADVOCATES HAVE EXPRESSED LITTLE INTEREST IN THE THE TRANSPARENCY OF SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGIES. EFFECTIVE BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS INCLUDING SOME OF THE COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS THAT WILL HEAR TESTIMONY FROM TODAY.  THE 2023 ANNUAL SURVEILLANCE REPORT INCLUDES SOME INFORMATION ON THE BEEPS VIDEO MANAGEMENT SYSTEM HIGHLIGHTING SIGNIFICANT EXPENDITURES ON SECURITY CAMERAS AND CABLING INSTALLATION AND AMOUNTING TO $1,809,412. HOWEVER, THIS REPORT PROVIDES LIMITED INFORMATION ON THE SPECIFIC PURPOSES AND DETAILS OF THIS CAMERA SYSTEM AFTER PUBLICATION OF THE ANNUAL REPORT.  THE COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE RECEIVED SEVERAL INQUIRIES FROM BOTH COMMUNITY ADVOCATES AND COUNCILORS REQUESTING FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THIS MATTER. THOSE INQUIRIES LED TODAY'S HEARING WHICH IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY TO UNDERSTAND THE INTENTION BEHIND THE PLACEMENT AND THE USAGE OF THESE CAMERAS ENSURE THEY EFFECTIVELY SERVE THEIR PURPOSE AND ADDRESS ANY PRIVATE CIVIL LIBERTIES AND CIVIL RIGHTS CONCERNS. I WANT TO THANK THE ADMINISTRATION FOR MEETING WITH ME AND MY OFFICE PRIOR TO TODAY'S HEARING TO DISCUSS THIS MATTER IN MORE DETAIL. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO THANK THEM FOR PROVIDING A MEMO WITH FURTHER INFORMATION AS WELL AS PUBLISHING AND PROVIDING A SUPERINTENDENT CIRCULAR TODAY RELATED TO THE VIDEO FOOTAGE AND SURVEILLANCE. BOTH THAT MEMO AND THE SUPERINTENDENT'S CIRCULAR ARE AVAILABLE TO COUNCILORS AND STAFF IN THIS HEARING. IN THIS HEARINGS FOLDER SHARED BY CENTRAL SOUTH THE SUPERINTENDENT CIRCULAR HAS ALSO BEEN PUBLISHED ON THE WEBSITE ON THE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES PAGE IN THE INSTRUCTIONAL AND INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY SECTION SO THAT'S AVAILABLE NOW FOR ALL MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.  I ALSO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IN DISCUSSING THIS MATTER WITH BPR I HAVE BEEN MADE AWARE OF AT LEAST FOUR INCIDENTS OF NATIONAL WAYS IN WHICH PUBLIC TESTIMONY ABOUT SCHOOL SECURITY PROCEDURES INCLUDING THE USE OF SECURITY CAMERAS LED TO GREATER HARM FROM ATTACKS AGAINST SCHOOLS. GIVEN THAT I WANT TO COMMIT AS CHAIR THAT WE BE INTENTIONAL AS A BODY TO PURSUE PUBLIC TRANSPARENCY ON THE USE OF TECHNOLOGY AT OUR BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS WHILE ALSO RECOGNIZING THAT THERE ARE SOME DETAILS THAT SHOULD BE KEPT SECURE TO ENSURE THE SAFETY OF OUR STUDENTS, TEACHERS AND STAFF. IN PARTICULAR I WILL LIKE TO ASK MY COLLEAGUES TO AVOID ASKING ABOUT THE EXISTENCE OR SPECIFIC LOCATIONS OF CAMERAS OR OTHER TECHNOLOGIES AND SPECIFYING SPECIFIC INDIVIDUAL SCHOOLS. BUT PLEASE FEEL FREE TO ASK MORE GENERAL QUESTIONS ABOUT THE INSTALLATION AND USAGE OF CAMERAS EMBEDDED IN THOSE EQUIPMENT AND POLICIES RELATED TO THEIR USE AND FOR OUR PANELISTS. AND OF COURSE PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS THAT ARISE TODAY THAT YOU MAY NEED TO LIMIT SOME INFORMATION PROVIDED WITH THAT I'D LIKE TO EXTEND MY THANKS TO COUNCILOR WEBER FOR YOUR PARTNERSHIP IN THIS WORK AS THE ORIGINAL CO-SPONSOR FOR EACH OF THE HEARINGS WE HELD RELATED TO A 2023 ANNUAL SURVEILLANCE REPORT. AS I MENTIONED, I'D LIKE TO PROVIDE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY NOW TO PROVIDE A BRIEF OPENING REMARKS AND ANY ADDITIONAL CONTEXT FOR THIS DISCUSSION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE.  COUNCILOR WEBER. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHAIR.  I'M GLAD WE COULD HAVE THIS SEPARATE HEARING ON CAMERAS IN SCHOOLS.  I MEAN THERE'S CONCERNS IN GENERAL ABOUT SURVEILLANCE BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, THOSE CONCERNS ARE HEIGHTENED WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE SAFETY OF OUR CHILDREN.  AND SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE HAVE LEGITIMATE QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE CAMERAS IN OUR SCHOOLS BEING USED FOR AND WHAT POLICIES, IF ANY ARE IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR KIDS ARE NOT BEING IMPROPERLY SURVEILLED OR THAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, IMAGES OF THEM ARE BEING DISTRIBUTED IN PLACES WHERE WE DON'T KNOW. AND SO YOU KNOW AND ONE THING THAT YOU JUST HIGHLIGHTED WAS ONE OF AND ONE OF OUR QUESTIONS IS IS THERE A POLICY IN PLACE ON THE USE OF THESE CAMERAS? AND I THINK UP UNTIL TODAY WE DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER WAS AT LEAST I DIDN'T.  IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE GOTTEN AN ANSWER WHICH IS THAT THERE IS A POLICY WHICH YOU KNOW, I TAKE AS GOOD NEWS AND THAT IT'S AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. I DO WONDER YOU KNOW WHAT WHEN THE POLICY WENT INTO PLACE AND I SAW SOME ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ABOUT IT BUT YOU KNOW, SO I LOOK FORWARD TO GOING FORWARD WITH THE HEARING AND I THANK YOU, CHAIR, FOR INCLUDING ME IN THIS SERIES OF HEARINGS AND ESPECIALLY IN THIS ONE.  THANK YOU, COUNSELOR WEBER AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY COUNCIL PRESIDENT LUCY LOUIJEUNE AND OUR DISTRICT TWO CITY COUNCILOR EDWIN.  AT THIS TIME I'D LIKE TO PROVIDE AN OVERVIEW OF THE PANELISTS MAY BE INVITED TO TESTIFY ON BEHALF OF THE ADMINISTRATION.  DR. SAMUEL DE PINA, DEPUTY SUPERINTENDENT OF OPERATIONS FOR THE BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS. RYAN FORD CHIEF OPERATING OFFICER FOR THE BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS.  FOR THE PARENTS WHO ARE HERE TODAY, I'D LIKE TO ASK EACH OF YOU TO JUST STATE YOUR NAME . NAME AND TITLE FOR THE RECORD AND ONCE YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELVES WE'LL MOVE TO OPENING REMARKS.  THANK YOU, COUNCILOR SANTANA. GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.  PLEASURE TO BE HERE JOINING THIS EVENING. THANKS FOR ORGANIZING THIS HEARING TODAY. MY NAME IS DR. SAMUEL DE PINA. I'M THE DEPUTY SUPERINTENDENT OF OPERATIONS FOR BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS.  GOOD EVENING, COUNCILOR . MY NAME IS BRIAN FORD. I'M THE CHIEF OF OPERATIONS FOR BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS.  THANK YOU BOTH.  IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU DO NOT HAVE A FORMAL PRESENTATION OR SLIDES SO PLEASE PROCEED WITH OPENING REMARKS IN WHICH I'VE ALREADY LIKE SO BRIEFLY GIVE US A OF QUICK THINGS. HAND OVER TO MY COLLEAGUE MR FORD. WE'RE HAPPY TO BE HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THE USE OF TECHNOLOGY IN BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS.  JUST FOR A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT. BACK IN 2021 OUR DISTRICT DID A ROBUST ASSESSMENT AND SURVEY OF OUR SCHOOL LEADERS TO DISCUSS SAFETY AND SECURITY IN OUR SCHOOLS AND TALKED ABOUT THE DIFFERENT APPROACHES THAT WE DO TAKE OR SAFETY SECURITY MEASURES IN ONE OF THE NEEDS THAT CAME OUT OF OUR SURVEY FROM THE SCHOOL LEADERS WAS AROUND THE USE OF SECURITY CAMERAS AND SYSTEMS TO PROBE FOR A LOT OF FACTORS. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UTILIZE THIS IS ONE OF MANY FORMS OF SECURITY IN OUR SCHOOLS AND WE CONTINUE TO DO THAT. SO AS A RESULT OF THAT SURVEY WE EMBARKED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO ON A $30 MILLION OVER FIVE YEAR INITIATIVE TO UPGRADE AND ADD TO OUR SCHOOLS SECURITY SYSTEMS ACROSS THE BOARD. SO WE'RE IN OUR SECOND YEAR OF DOING THAT. WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF THE WORK THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IN THAT REGARD. WE ARE SENSITIVE TO SOME OF THE CONCERNS AND NEEDS RAISED BY THE COMMUNITY AND THE COUNCIL AND WE'RE HERE TO HAPPILY HELP DISCUSS AND CLARIFY ANY CONCERNS AND QUESTIONS THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS AROUND HOW WE USE THIS TECHNOLOGY ON THE PREMISES OF THEM AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE. SO WITH THAT AND TURN IT OVER AND SUPPORT.  THANK YOU DR. PINO. SO I'M GOING TO GO OVER A COUPLE OF RESTATEMENTS FROM US BASED UPON THE USE OF OUR CAMERAS. SO IT DOES HAVE A NUMBER OF CCTV OR CAMERAS IN OUR BUILDINGS.  OUR CAMERAS ARE USED AND AFTER THE FACT AND THEY'RE REALLY ONLY USED FOR REPORTED INCIDENTS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO FOLLOW UP ON.  WE USE OUR CAMERAS OUR CAMERAS DO NOT HAVE FACIAL RECOGNITION AND WE DO NOT USE THEM AS A 100% MONITORING TOOL. SO NOBODY IS SITTING AROUND AND MONITORING THOSE CAMERAS 100% OF THE TIME. OUR CAMERAS ARE LOCATED IN PUBLIC SPACES BUT THEY'RE NOT IN LOCATIONS SUCH AS OFFICES OR CLASSROOMS. WHEN WE ARE DOING THINGS SUCH AS ATHLETIC PERFORMANCES WHERE THOSE MIGHT BE RECORDED OR THE IMAGES ARE GOING TO BE USED EXTERNALLY OUTSIDE OF EPS THAT ARE NOT SURVEILLANCE RELATED.  WE DO HAVE THE STUDENT SIGN OR PARENT SIGNED PERMISSION TO RELEASE THOSE IMAGES WHEN GETTING A REQUEST FROM ENTITIES SUCH AS THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT. WE WORK WITH OUR LEGAL OFFICE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE. WE ISOLATE THAT FOOTAGE AND WE MAKE SURE TO GET THE EXACT INCIDENT THAT IS BEING REFERENCE TO IN THOSE DOCUMENTS BY THE TIMESTAMP WE GO THROUGH AND SCRUB ANY OF THE INFORMATION THAT IS NOT RELEVANT TO CASES SUCH AS THESE BLURRED FACES OF THOSE THAT ARE NOT THE OBJECT OF WHATEVER INVESTIGATION THAT IS HAPPENING AT THAT TIME AND THAT I DO WANT TO SAY OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION AND ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION AND THANK YOU TO OUR SANTANA, WE WILL NOT BE ANSWERING QUESTIONS AS IT RELATES TO INDIVIDUAL SCHOOLS OR INDIVIDUAL CASES BUT MORE OF A DISTRICT WIDE APPROACH AS WE TRY TO ANSWER ALL THE QUESTIONS RELATED TO THIS.  THANK YOU. THE ONLY THING I WOULD JUST ADD IS REGARDING THE POLICY.  SO WE'VE HAD STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES AROUND THE USE OF THESE CAMERAS OVER THE YEARS AS FAR BACK AS I CAN REMEMBER BACK IN 2006 AND SO I'VE ACTUALLY KIND OF SENSE LOCKERS I THINK WHERE WE JUST FORMALIZE IT AND PUT IT ALL INTO ONE PLACE SO IT'S MORE DIGESTIBLE FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION SO THAT'S THAT'S JUST KIND OF ADDRESS ON YOUR INITIAL THOUGHTS AND QUESTIONS COUNCIL I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I THINK THAT FOR THE RECORD AS WELL. AWESOME. THANK YOU SO MUCH TO YOU BOTH FOR YOUR OPENING REMARKS AND FOR BEING HERE. AT THIS TIME I'D ALSO LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE'VE BEEN JOINED BY CITY COUNCILOR AT LARGE ERIC MURPHY.  NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO TO QUESTIONS FROM THE ORIGINAL CO-SPONSOR WITH COUNCILOR WEBER. WE WILL HAVE 7 MINUTES AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO TO OUR REQUEST OF MY COLLEAGUES IN ORDER ON ARRIVAL FOR ANY OPENING REMARKS AND QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MAY ALSO EVER GET BEFORE. OKAY.  THANK YOU.  I GUESS AND I'D IN TERMS OF I KNOW YOU I'M NOT TRYING TO ASK ABOUT SPECIFIC SCHOOLS OR YOU KNOW WHERE THE CAMERAS ARE BUT THE BUT CAN YOU SAY ARE THE CAMERAS PRIMARILY IN HIGH SCHOOLS OR ARE THEY IN EVERY SCHOOL? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY'RE NOT IN EVERY SCHOOL AND THEY'RE ONLY IN SOME SCHOOLS. AND IF YOU CAN SAY ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT WENT INTO THAT WHAT GOES INTO THIS VISION TO PUT THE CAMERAS SO IT'S A YOU'RE MUTE. RIGHT. AND AGAIN I'M IF I'M TRIPPING INTO PLACES THAT YOU KNOW I'M NOT TRYING TO GET AROUND THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT.  FEEL FREE TO.  COULD EVEN COUNCILOR THE WEBER SO I'LL ANSWER AS BEST I CAN GIVEN THE TRANSPARENCY OF INFORMATION THAT WE CAN PROVIDE. SO WE GO TO FOR THE DISTRIBUTION OF OUR CAMERAS WE HAVE CREATED AN EQUITABLE LIST THAT ADDRESSES ALL OF OUR SCHOOLS.  THERE'S MANY DIFFERENT METRICS THAT WE USE WHEN IT COMES TO THE LOCATIONS OF THOSE CAMERAS. WE GENERALLY GO A LITTLE BIT BY WHAT'S HAPPENING IN A SPECIFIC AREA BUT IN TERMS OF THE LOCATIONS WE DO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S SOME ON THE EXTERIOR POINTED OUT POINTS OF ENTRY.  WE DO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE ALSO IN CORRIDORS OF PUBLIC USE THAT ARE WITHIN THAT BUILDING AND ANY OTHER KIND OF GENERAL PUBLIC SPACES.  THEY WON'T BE IN ANYTHING THAT IS CONSIDERED AN OFFICE.  A CLASSROOM IS CONSIDERED AN OFFICE IN SOME CASES A GYM IS CONSIDERED AN OFFICE.  OTHER THAN THAT I'M NOT SURE WHAT ELSE I CAN PROVIDE BUT IN TERMS OF LIKE TO DO ALL SCHOOLS HAVE HAVE THAT PACKAGE YOU KNOW WE CAN EXPECT TO HAVE THAT OR IS IT JUST NOT AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS ONLY HIGH SCHOOL SO ALL SCHOOLS THAT HAVE CAMERAS WILL HAVE THAT SETUP? THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. BUT BUT NOT ALL SCHOOLS AND I SAID THAT THE GOAL IS TO GET TO ALL IF THE GOAL IS TO GET TO ALL SCHOOLS AND WE REVIEW ALL OF THOSE KIND OF POINTS OF VIEW WITH THOSE THAT ARE IN THE BUILDING FOR WHERE THEIR PUBLIC ACCESS IS. BUT I WOULD SAY IT'S NOT ISOLATED TO JUST HIGH SCHOOLS OR JUST MIDDLE SCHOOLS OR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS. IT IS A GOAL TO GET ALL SCHOOLS AT THIS POINT NOT EVERY SCHOOL HAS IT BUT OUR GOAL IS TO GET THERE.  OKAY. AND THEN I GUESS BASED ON THE THE THE CIRCULAR THAT THE WRITTEN POLICY WELL MAYBE ONE SET. SO WHO'S I GUESS WHO'S MONITORING THE CAMERAS?  IS THERE A CENTRAL DPS LOCATION OR THERE IS SOME THERE'S SOMEBODY WITH LIKE A BUNCH OF SCREENS SOMEWHERE OR OR ARE THEY PRIMARILY BEING ARE THEY BEING MONITORED LIVE AND THEN WHO'S WHO'S DOING THAT?  GOOD AFTERNOON. SO IN MOST CASES THE CAMERAS ARE NOT BEING MONITORED LIVE. WE ARE WE ARE LOOKING FOR AFTER THE FACT BASED ON INCIDENTS THAT ARE REPORTED OFTENTIMES FOUND BY A LIVE PERSON THAT SAW SOMETHING AND THEN WE GO BACK TO THE FOOTAGE TO REVIEW THAT THERE IS NO LARGE CONTROL CENTER IN BEEPS WHERE SOMEBODY SITTING DOWN LOOKING AT POTENTIAL INCIDENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING ACROSS THE DISTRICT AND THE WAY THAT IT WORKS FOR HAVING ACCESS TO VIEW THOSE CAMERAS ON A SCHOOL BASIS VERY LIMITED STAFF INCLUDING THOSE THAT HAVE SAFETY STAFF MEMBERS OFTENTIMES THE SCHOOL LEADER WILL HAVE ACCESS TO VIEW CAMERAS THAT ARE IN THEIR BUILDING ALONE DISTRICT WIDE. WE HAVE OUR SENIOR SECURITY SUPERVISOR, ASSISTANT SENIOR SECURITY SUPERVISOR, A FEW PEOPLE THAT ARE WITHIN THE BPD SAFETY DEPARTMENT MYSELF, DR. BETTINA OKAY. AND SO I GUESS IF WE DESCRIBED THE CAMERAS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IT'S A IT'S ANOTHER ASPECT OF IT'S LIKE BEEPS FACILITIES LIKE BEEPS CONTROLS THE CAMERAS AND THE FOOTAGE THAT THAT THAT'S WHY WE'RE TALKING TO YOU. YES, THAT THAT'S THAT'S CORRECT. WE DO CONTROL ALL OF THAT AND WE WORK IN PARTNERSHIP WITH OUR SAFETY TEAM. OKAY.  AND THEN I GUESS I ASSUME THERE I GUESS DO YOU HAVE ANY EXAMPLES OF USE OF THE FOOTAGE THAT YOU CAN SHARE WITH US? YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE US NAMES AND EVERYTHING. I HAVE THERE HAVE BEEN RECENT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WE CAN GIVE AN EXAMPLE AS RECENT AS THIS WEEK STUDENTS STILL UP IN THE BUILDING,  RIGHT? SO OFTENTIMES WE HAVE STUDENTS THAT LEAVE THE BUILDING DUE TO VARIOUS REASONS AND FACTORS SOME PROMOTIONAL EPISODES, SOME FROM DIFFERENT REASONS AND IT'S HELPFUL FOR US TO USE THE CAMERAS TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY LIKE THE PATTERN OF SOME TALKING WHERE THEY MAY HAVE ONE THAT KIND OF THING TO HELP LOCATE THE STUDENT.  OKAY. YEAH. ANYTHING ELSE COMES TO MIND? I JUST I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT LIKE HOW THEY COME UP. I MEAN, SO. OH, OKAY. I GUESS SO IN A SCENARIO OR LIKE WORST CASE SCENARIO WHERE THERE'S A THERE'S A SCHOOL SHOOTING, YOU KNOW CAN YOU HOW WOULD THE HOW WILL THE CAMERAS HELP? YOU KNOW, HAVE YOU SORT OF THOUGHT ABOUT THAT? YEAH. SO THAT ONE'S A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT BECAUSE THAT'S IN REAL TIME SO SOMEBODY WOULD HAVE TO REALLY KIND OF ALERT US TO WHAT'S HAPPENING ASSUMING THAT PERSON IS STILL OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING OR EVEN IF THEY'VE MADE IT TO A COMMON CORRIDOR WE ARE AWARE WE CAN LOOK AT THE LIVE STREAM AND UPDATE WHOEVER MIGHT BE LIKE POLICE OR SAFETY OR SOMEBODY PROBABLY ON THE ON SITE TO HELP US FIGURE OUT LIKE HOW TO KEEP THE MOST AMOUNT OF PEOPLE SAFE . OKAY.  AND I GUESS SO IN THE CIRCULAR YOU TALK ABOUT DISCIPLINARY ACTION LOCAL NEEDS AND WE HOPE YOU'LL PATRONIZE THEM THIS WEEK. MISTY THEN LIKE COUNSELOR MURPHY I DON'T KNOW. YOU ONLY HAVE OKAY. I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS FOR ME AND I BUT I GUESS WHAT KINDS OF DISCIPLINARY ACTION I CAN'T I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE CIRCULAR BUT I GUESS CAN YOU JUST DESCRIBE WHAT KIND OF DISCIPLINARY THERE'S A SECTION LIKE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE REPORT ON USE OF VIDEO FOR DISCIPLINARY ACTION I GUESS CAN YOU EXPAND A LITTLE MORE ON WHAT KIND OF DISCIPLINARY ACTION YOU HAVE IN MIND? SURE. YEAH. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE USE OF OUR CODE OF CONDUCT TO ADDRESS ANY STUDENT MISBEHAVIOR.  SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE WAS A FIGHT IN A HALLWAY AND HAPPENED TO BE CAPTURED ON VIDEO SCREEN ,THE SCHOOL ADMINISTRATORS TEND TO REFER BACK TO THE CAMERAS TO VERIFY DIFFERENT ACCOUNTS OF WHAT THEY MAY HAVE HEARD FROM WITNESSES AND OR THE PEOPLE THAT WERE INVOLVED IN THE INCIDENT. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF MR FORD AND I WERE IN A PHYSICAL ALTERCATION IN THE HALLWAY, I WOULD SAY ONE THING AND MR FORD WOULD SAY ANOTHER. BUT SCHOOL ADMINISTRATION WOULD GO DOUBLE CHECK THE VIDEO CAMERA TO ACTUALLY SEE WHAT OCCURRED AND THEN BASE THEIR DISCIPLINARY ACTION AND OR SUPPORT FOR THE STUDENTS BASED ON WHAT THEY OBSERVED A WITNESS AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, IF THERE WERE WITNESSES TO THE INCIDENT AND THEY WERE PRESENT IN ME HAVE BEEN TRAUMATIZED BY IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT FOR US TO PROVIDE SUPPORT TO THE WITNESSES THAT MAY HAVE WITNESSED IT AS WELL. SO THAT'S ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW WE WOULD USE IT AND THEN THAT KIND OF SITUATION.  OKAY. YEAH. SO IT'S AND SORRY CHAIR, YOU'RE ON MUTE I THINK UH 11 IS AT 7 MINUTES, RIGHT? OKAY. YEAH I HAVE FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS. I'M HAPPY TO MAKE SPACE THANKS. THANKS FOR THANKS FOR THAT. WOW.  AND SO I GUESS MOVING FORWARD I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO TURN OFF I WOULD FEEL MOST OF ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES FROM DISTRICT FOR ELSEWHERE AROUND I WILL TURN OFF MY CAMERA WHEN YOU HAVE 7 MINUTES I'LL BEGIN AND THEN I WILL TURN BACK MY CAMERA ON WHEN THERE'S ONE MINUTE LEFT. SO I WAIT ALSO MY COLLEAGUES ARE AWARE OF THE TIME SO WITH THAT COUNCILOR FITZGERALD YOU HAVE THE FLOOR.  THANK YOU CHAIR AND I LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOUR FACE BACK ON CAMERA EARLY TO LET ME KNOW WHAT I'VE DONE.  FIRST AND FOREMOST I SEE IT AS A SAFE ENVIRONMENT AND OUR SCHOOLS IS LIKE IT IT IS DEEMED NOT LIKE IT IS THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY FOR THE SCHOOLS FIRST AND FOREMOST BEFORE THE EDUCATION EVEN COMES IN IT HAS TO BE A SAFE PLACE TO GO. I DON'T THINK ANYONE WOULD DISPUTE THAT AND I ALSO THINK WITH THIS CAMERAS IN THE SCHOOLS I KNOW I AM HERE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT IT. I DIDN'T KNOW YOU KNOW AND BASED ON WHAT YOU GUYS WERE SAYING THAT SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE COMING UP HERE I DO FEEL THAT IN SCHOOLS THERE'S NO EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY.  YOU KNOW, JUST AS IF YOU WOULD HEAD INTO ANYTHING A SOX GAME, CELTICS GAME, WHATEVER IT MAY BE THE EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY IS THAT THAT THERE ISN'T ONE AND THAT AT SOME POINT YOU WERE YOU WERE ON CAMERA I THINK IF WE START TO ELIMINATE THAT SAFETY AND SECURITY OUT OF THE SCHOOLS WE MIGHT BE PUTTING MORE CHILDREN IN DANGER. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S SOME ARGUMENTS OUT THERE AGAINST THAT AND I'M OPEN TO HEARING THEM. BUT IN TERMS OF THE POLICY ABOUT HOW THOSE CAMERAS ARE USED, I THINK MOST IMPORTANTLY AND I THINK BRIAN, YOU'VE SAID IT IT'S SORT OF LIKE THIS ISN'T A LIVE THING THAT IS BEING WATCHED. IT'S TYPICALLY USED FOR INCIDENT REPORTS AFTER THE FACT TO VERIFY CLAIMS OR TO USE WHAT PPD.  I THINK AS LONG AS YOU PUT IN A PROCESS FOR REQUESTING THOSE RECORDINGS AND ANY AND EVEN ESPECIALLY WITH BPD I KNOW YOU DO HAVE A PROCESS BUT SOMETHING THAT JUSTIFIES THE CHAIN OF CUSTODY OF THAT EVIDENCE SO FOLKS KNOW WHO'S HAVING IT FOR WHAT REASONS, WHAT HANDS IT WILL BE GOING TO. I THINK THAT ONLY IT PROTECTS THE STUDENTS AS WELL AS STRENGTHENS ANY ARGUMENT IN A COURT OF LAW FOR WHATEVER IT IS BEING USED FOR THAT THAT PROCESS IS IN PLACE AND SO AS LONG AS THAT IS STRENGTHENED, I THINK THAT YOU KNOW, KIDS THESE DAYS RIGHT. ARE PROBABLY ON CAMERA PUTTING THEMSELVES ON CAMERA MORE THAN CAMERAS ARE EVEN WATCHING THEM. AND SO IT'S SORT OF THERE'S THERE'S A DOUBLE DOWN OF OF THEM BEING USED TO THAT NO EXPECTED PORTION OF PRIVACY I WOULD SAY. THAT BEING SAID, THAT'S SORT OF JUST MY OPENING STATEMENT. MY QUESTION THAT I DO HAVE ABOUT THE $1.8 MILLION I THINK THAT WAS SPENT LAST YEAR, IS THAT AN ANNUAL OCCURRENCE OR IS THAT WAS JUST WE WERE UPDATING CAMERAS THAT NEEDED THAT WAS SEVERELY IN NEED OF UPDATING AND THAT'S WHY THAT NUMBER IS WHAT IT WAS FOR LAST YEAR AND WHAT IS THAT NUMBER GOING FORWARD TRYING TO GET INTO EVERY SCHOOL AT LEAST AT EXITS AND ENTRANCES OR IF NOT IN HALLWAYS UNDERSTANDING WE'RE NOT PUTTING THEM IN CLASSROOMS ,BATHROOMS, ETC. OF COURSE. BUT IN THE MORE PUBLIC FACING SIDES OF SCHOOL GROUNDS.  GOOD AFTERNOON. YEP. THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. I APPRECIATE THAT.  I APPRECIATE YOUR OPENING STATEMENT AS WELL. AND SO WHAT I'LL SAY FOR THE FUNDS IS THE 1.8 MILLION THAT WAS SPENT LAST YEAR WAS SPLIT BETWEEN BOTH THE CABLING AND THE ACTUAL INSTALLATION OF THE CAMERAS AND UPGRADES. SO ALL THREE OF THOSE ARE TRUE THAT DID NOT ENCOMPASS A FULL YEAR OF SPENDING AND IDEALLY OUR GOAL WILL BE TO CONTINUE TO HAVE 3 TO $6 MILLION IN SPENDING THREE ON THE CABLE AND CONTRACT THREE ON THE CAMERA CONTRACT YEAR OVER YEAR UNTIL WE'VE HAD ALL SCHOOLS THAT SHOULD TAKE US ROUGHLY FIVE YEARS WHICH DR. PUNA STATED WAS OUR $30 MILLION COMMITMENT FROM THE DISTRICT.  UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU.  THAT WAS REALLY MY ONLY QUESTION.  I LOOK FORWARD TO OBVIOUSLY HEARING MORE TESTIMONY AFTERWARDS OF HOW MAYBE ARGUMENTS AGAINST THIS SHOULD OCCUR AND SO I CAN LEARN MORE AND UNDERSTAND IT BUT I THINK THAT'S IT FOR ME . SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE TIME AND GOOD TO BE HERE. AND MR FORD, THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNSELOR FITZGERALD.  COUNCIL PRESIDENT RICHARD LOUIJEUNE THE OTHER FOUR.  THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. AND THANK YOU TO YOURSELF AND TO CASA WEBER FOR HOLDING THIS REALLY IMPORTANT HEARING. IT'S INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT THAT OUR STUDENTS FEEL SAFE IN OUR SCHOOLS AND I THINK CAMERAS AND THE WAY THAT WE HEAR THEM AT CIVIC MEETINGS.  CAMERAS ARE ONE WAY OF ENSURING THE SAFETY OF OUR KIDS AND THEY'RE NOT THE ONLY WAY OF ENSURING THE SAFETY AND IT'S ALWAYS A BALANCING ACT. I BELIEVE AS COUNCILOR CARDOZA PARTICIPATED IN HER ABSENCE LETTER WITH THE FOURTH AMENDMENT AND THE RIGHTS OF NOT JUST STUDENTS BUT REALLY EVERYONE IN THE BUILDING BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE MORE THAN JUST STUDENTS THAT MAKE UP A BUILDING. SO LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING FROM MORE FOLKS. I THINK COUNCILOR WEBER ASKED A QUESTION REGARDING THE USES AND I'M CURIOUS ABOUT YOU KNOW WHAT WHAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP LIKE BETWEEN BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT FOR WHEN THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS OR USE OR REVIEW SOME OF THE CAMERAS EITHER FOR YOU DEPUTY SUPERINTENDENT DE PINA OR FOR YOU OR WHOEVER? BRIAN I DO WANT TO SHOUT OUT THAT IF YOU DON'T SEE IT IN THE BACKGROUND THAT LITTLE RINK MAP THAT I HAVE BEHIND ME IS IS WHAT YOU SENT OVER. SO I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT MAP OF ALL OF OUR BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS. I LOVE BEING ABLE TO TURN AROUND AND LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT SCHOOLS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO JUST REALLY THANK YOU. BUT I'M CURIOUS AS TO THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE SCHOOLS AND BY THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR . I'LL TAKE A RESPONSE AND BRIAN PLEASE AGREE THAT SO I WORKED A RELATIONSHIP WITH BOSTON POLICE IS GREAT. WE HAVE A LONGSTANDING HISTORY OF COORDINATING WITH REGARD TO VIDEO CAMERAS IN OUR SCHOOLS AND LIKE LIKE WE DISCUSSED EARLIER IF THERE'S A NEED FOR THE BOSTON POLICE TO COME IN, THERE'S A FORMAL PROCESS THAT THEY COME IN, THEY DO A REQUEST, THEN WE REVIEW THAT REQUEST AND WITH OUR LEGAL OFFICE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS FULLY AWARE OF WHY THEY NEED IT. WHAT OCCURRED AND WE WE WE TYPICALLY COMPLY AND THEN THERE'S ALSO INSTANCES WHERE WE'RE DEALING WITH AN EMERGENCY LIVE IN THE MOMENT BECAUSE OF THE HEALTH AND SAFETY EMERGENCY WE JUST COMPLY IN AND TRY TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF WHATEVER THE SITUATION IS THAT NECESSITATES POLICE INTERVENTION TO GET, YOU KNOW, ORDER AND SAFETY RESTORED BACK IN THE SCHOOL. SO WE'RE HAPPY TO DISCUSS MORE ABOUT THAT. BUT THE RELATIONSHIP IS GREAT. WE HAVE A GOOD WORKING SYSTEMS WITH EACH OTHER AND IT'S PRETTY SEAMLESS AT THIS POINT AND FROM THAT ANYTHING AS BRIAN I THINK YOU'VE JUST ABOUT GOT IT COVERED . THE ONLY THING THAT I'LL ADD IS THAT IF WE ARE IN NOTIFICATION OF AN INCIDENT THAT THE POLICE HAVE REPORTED TO US, WE WILL MAKE SURE TO RETAIN THAT PIECE OF INFORMATION IMMEDIATELY WE'LL GO TO THE CAMERA OR CAMERAS THAT ARE INVOLVED.  WE'LL KIND OF SCRUB THAT INFORMATION THAT IS NOT RELEVANT TO ANY CASE THAT THEY ARE PURSUING OR ANY INCIDENT THAT THEY ARE HANDLING AND HOLD IT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME UP UNTIL THEY CAN HAVE A COURT CASE AND THEN WORK WITH OUR LEGAL TEAMS TO RELEASE A LOT OF THAT INFORMATION BACK TO THEM. AND I'M GLAD TO SEE YOU SPOTTING THE NEW MAP RIGHT BEHIND YOU.  I GOT MINE RIGHT OVER HERE AS WELL AS A THANK YOU.  DO YOU KNOW IF THERE'S EVER BEEN A REQUEST FROM BPD FOR FOOTAGE THAT DOESN'T NATURALLY INVOLVE OR HAVE TO DO WITH AN ACTUAL IS WITH A STUDENT MAYBE WITH A TEACHER OR A PARA OR ANYONE OF THAT NATURE. I'M NOT NOT SO MUCH UNLESS UNLESS OBVIOUSLY A CRIME OCCURRED BUT TYPICALLY IN SOME CASES WE HAVE EXTERNAL THREATS, RIGHT? SO SOMETIMES WE MAY CAPTURE SOMETHING THAT MAY BE A COMMUNITY ACTIVITY THAT WE MAY CAPTURE ON OUR SYSTEMS. WE MAY HAVE TRESPASSERS THAT MAY COME TO THE BUILDING.  SO IN THAT REGARD WE DO DEAL WITH ADULTS. BUT IF THERE HAPPENS TO BE A SITUATION BETWEEN ADULTS IN THE BUILDING THAT I'LL RAISE THAT LEVEL, WE'LL TYPICALLY COMPLY AS WE AS WE DISCUSS.  THANK YOU. HAS EVER BEEN AN INSTANCE WHERE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS REQUESTED TO REVIEW ANY OF OUR CAMERAS? I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND CHECK THE HISTORY OF THAT BUT NOT ANY RECENT HISTORY THAT I RECALL.  OKAY. AND THEN WHEN IT COMES TO LIKE ARE YOU ABLE TO TELL US WHERE THE CAMERAS FEED IN TO? IS THAT WITHIN THAT WITHIN A BEEPS OP LIKE OPERATION NOT WITHIN A BPD OPERATION, YES, THAT'S CORRECT. THAT FEEDS WITHIN OUR SECURE NETWORK.  BP DOES NOT HAVE ACCESS TO OUR CAMERAS. OKAY. AND IF THEY WERE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THEIR CAMERAS THEY'D HAVE TO PUT IN THAT FORMAL REQUEST.  THAT'S RIGHT. AND THEN WE SEND THEM VERY LOCALIZED EITHER USB OR INDIVIDUAL FILE ONLY PERTAINING TO THE EVENT.  OKAY. AND ALSO IF THEY HAVE A IS A COURT ORDER OR A SUBPOENA INVOLVED, WE WOULD COMPLY AS WELL.  OKAY. A COURT ORDER OR A SUBPOENA WITH RESPECT TO ANY ISSUE OR WITH RESPECT TO CERTAIN ISSUES A SPECIFIC ISSUE. OKAY.  REVIEWED PROBABLY BY YOUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT AS WELL. EXACTLY. OKAY.  AND THEN WITH RESPECT TO THESE CAMERAS, ARE THEY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BOTH CAMERAS THAT ARE BOTH INTERNAL TO THE SCHOOL AND EXTERNAL?  YES, THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY.  AND YOU MAY HAVE COVERED THIS BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE IN THE BEGINNING OF THE SCHOOL YEAR OUR STUDENTS MADE AWARE OF THE PRESENCE OF CAMERAS AND THEY KNOW THAT THEY ARE THERE.  YES, THEY ARE. AND OVER THE YEARS HAVE WE SEEN AN INCREASE OR HAVE WE BEEN I MEAN HAVE WE BEEN PUTTING MORE CAMERAS IN SCHOOLS? WHAT WHAT HAS WHAT'S GENERALLY BEEN HAPPENING?  I WOULD SAY IT'S A MIX OF BOTH. WHAT WE'VE SEEN IS THAT MUCH LIKE MANY OF OUR BUILDINGS,  INFRASTRUCTURE IS STARTING TO DECLINE SO WE'RE REPLACING A LOT OF THOSE AS WELL AS PUTTING NEW ONES IN TO GET TO THAT FULL COVERAGE.  HEY, THANK YOU. IS IT IS IT A MIX OF TECHNOLOGIES THAT WE'RE USING OR IS IT IS THERE IS IT LIKE ONE TYPE OF SECURITY CAMERA THAT WE'RE USING THROUGHOUT BEEPS OR IS IT IS IT A MIX OF ONE PLATFORM, MULTIPLE DIFFERENT APPROACHES AND MULTIPLE DIFFERENT TYPES FOR THE VIEWS THAT YOU HAVE AND THOSE ARE THE AND THEY ALL FEED FEED INTO EACH OTHER FOR US FOR THAT OPERATIONAL SYSTEM.  YES, THEY'RE ALL COMPATIBLE. OKAY. THANK YOU.  I SEE I SEE THE CHAIR BACK ON. I DO HAVE A FEW MORE QUESTIONS BUT MR CHAIR, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO RESERVE THEM FOR SECOND ROUND? YOU HAVE 40 SECONDS. OKAY.  THANK YOU. I'M WONDERING IF THERE IS EVER YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE WHETHER IT'S BE SACKED BY THE STUDENT ADVISORY COUNCIL OR OTHER STUDENT ADVISORY GROUPS, WHETHER WE WHETHER THEY EVER WEIGH IN ON SORT OF THE USE OF TECHNOLOGY BEEPS OR IF THERE'S FEEDBACK OR ENGAGEMENT WITH STUDENTS ABOUT WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. YEAH. I MEAN MANY, MANY YEARS AGO AS WE STARTED TO TALK ABOUT YOU DON'T HAVE THE SANDY HOOK WE REALLY TOOK A REAL CLOSE LOOK AT OUR ALL OF OUR SECURITY AND SYSTEMS AND TRY TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT STUDENTS WANTED AND NEEDED TO FEEL SAFE SO LOUD. THE WORK THAT WE DO NOW IS TIED INTO SOME OF THAT FEEDBACK SO WE'VE DONE IT OVER THE YEARS AND WE ARE CONSTANTLY VISITED WITH BECOME PERIODICALLY THROUGHOUT THE TIME AS WELL. SO YES WE HAVE AND WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT THROUGH THE VOICE IS SUPER IMPORTANT HERE BECAUSE WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING WHAT THEY WANT AND NEED WE DON'T WANT TO JUST MAKE DECISIONS IN A VACUUM WITHOUT THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE THE ONES THAT WILL BE THE END RECEIVERS OF THE PROTECTIONS TO BE PUT IN PLACE. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THEIR VOICE AS WELL AS STAFF THAT WORK WITH THEM TO VOICE AS WELL. AWESOME BECAUSE YEAH I KNOW ADULTS ARE GOOD AT MAKING THESE DECISIONS BUT THESE ACT IS AWESOME IN TERMS OF PROVIDING THE STUDENT PERSPECTIVE IN TERMS OF HOW STUDENTS ARE FEELING AND AGAIN WE ALSO KNOW THAT SAFETY FOR OUR STUDENTS ENCOMPASSES SO MUCH MORE THAN WHAT WE TYPICALLY ALWAYS THINK ABOUT SAFETY. SO REALLY ENCOURAGED TO HEAR THAT THAT AT LEAST THAT IS HAPPENING IN TERMS OF A FEEDBACK LOOP. THANK YOU AGAIN SAM AND BRIAN AND THANK YOU MR CHAIR. THANK YOU.  COUNCIL PRESIDENT COUNCILOR HEFLIN YOU HAVE THE FLOOR EVACUATES. CHAIR AND THANK YOU TO THE PANEL FOR FOR BEING HERE.  I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS AND LET ME ALSO MENTION THAT MY SON OUR SON JUST GRADUATED FROM DPS HAS BEEN IN THE SYSTEM HIS ENTIRE LIFE. MY GOAL HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO ENSURE THAT EVERY STUDENT HAS A SAFE AND HEALTHY LEARNING ENVIRONMENT ALONG WITH THE STAFF AND TEACHERS AND OTHER PERSONNEL.  I KNOW YOU MENTIONED SAM THERE'S A FAMOUS AND EXCELLENT WORKING RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN DPS AND BOSTON POLICE IS THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING IS THAT SIDE?  I'M HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THAT. ANOTHER TIME THAT THEY BELIEVE THE FOCUS OF THIS HEARING IS ON ON THE SURVEILLANCE I'M.  AUDIENCE I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. NO, NO SEE I'M I'M GOING TO THAT'S THE QUESTION I'M GOING TO ASK THAT COUNCIL THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT WAS ASKING ABOUT THE BOSTON POLICE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE BOSTON POLICE. THAT'S AN APPROPRIATE QUESTION FOR ME TO ASK.  THAT'S THE QUESTION I WANT TO ASK YOU. COULD YOU YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S IMPORTANT THAT YOU BE BE HONEST, CAN YOU BE DIRECT? BUT YOU CAN'T REALLY REFUSE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS IN MY OPINION . SO I WAS JUST TRYING TO STICK TO THE TOPIC OF THE HEARING BUT I'M HAPPY TO SPEAK TO IT. SO YES, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE BOSTON POLICE ABOUT THEM OR YOU. WE DO HAVE EVERYTHING OUTLINED IN THE NYU AND WE ARE WORKING BASED ON THOSE A COMMON PRACTICE THAT WE'VE CODIFIED.  SO YES, WE'VE HAD THEM WE'LL USE THEM AS SUBMITTED SIGNED IT. IT'S BEING FINALIZED NOW AND I'VE FULLY SIGNED IT. YEAH BUT BUT IT IS CODIFIED AND WE ARE WORKING AS IF IT WAS SIGNED RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST WORKING ON A COUPLE OF PIECE OF INFORMATION ON IT BUT IT WILL BE FINALIZED VERY SHORTLY . SAM IT'S IT'S BEEN IMMINENT. I'VE BEEN HEARING THE WORD IMMINENT FOR WELL OVER A YEAR. I'M NOT EXAGGERATE ADDING THAT IT'S GOING TO BE SIGNED ANY DAY THAT'S BEEN WELL OVER A YEAR. WHAT IS WHAT IS HOLDING THAT UP? I THINK WHAT'S HOLDING IT UP IS JUST A LOT ON OUR SIDE AND US ON BOSTON POLICE AS FULLY AGREE TO THE TERMS AS WE ALL HAVE. WE JUST HAVE CERTAIN POLICIES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ALIGN TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THE ASPECTS OF WHAT'S CODIFIED IN OUR PRACTICES IS ALIGNED. SO FOR EXAMPLE, WE'RE UPDATING A POLICY AROUND STUDENT INFORMATION AND DATA COLLECTION SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S COMPLETE AND ALSO ALIGNED WITH THE ARE YOU IN THE WORK SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO RELEASE A LOT OF INFORMATION TOO QUICKLY BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE ALL POLICIES AND PROCEDURES ARE ALIGNED TO HOW WE ARE. WE WORK SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY IT HASN'T FULLY BY SAYING WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERY POLICY THAT WE HAVE AROUND STUDENT SAFETY IS DONE AND COMPLETE IN OUR LINE. BUT PART OF IT IS IS THE HOLD UP WITH BOSTON POLICE KNOW OR IS THAT MORE THAN WHAT THE BOSTON SCHOOLS KNOW IT'S WITH US BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE ALL OF OUR POLICIES ARE ALIGNED AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF FINALIZING ANOTHER POLICY THAT WE JUST HAD A LOT OF EXTENSIVE ENGAGEMENT WITH OUR STAKEHOLDERS, THE COMMUNITY ABOUT.  AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO UPDATE THAT POLICY TO MAKE SURE IT'S REFLECTIVE OF THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING DESPITE THE NYU NOT BEING FULLY SIGNED, IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE TEAM IS NOT OPERATING IN CONJUNCTION WITH EACH OTHER BASED ON BEST PRACTICES AND THE WORK WE'VE DONE OVER THE YEARS. SO THE WORK IS HAPPENING ON THE GROUND. THE AND THE HOLD UP IS ON BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOL SIDE. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE OTHER PARTIES ARE ALIGNED ON THAT. BUT THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING YOU SAM, YOU WERE SAYING THAT IT'S AN EXCELLENT WORKING RELATIONSHIP SO IT'S INAPPROPRIATE QUESTION FOR ME TO ASK ABOUT THE MERGER BETWEEN THE BOSTON POLICE AND THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS. I ALSO BELIEVE LIKE COUNCIL FITZGERALD I DON'T THINK THERE'S AN EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY NECESSARILY FOR STUDENTS IN IN SCHOOLS WHAT STUDENTS AND TEACHERS WANT IF THEY WANT SAFE AND HEALTHY SCHOOLS THAT CHILDREN AND CHILDREN ARE ABLE TO LEARN AND TEACHERS ARE ABLE TO TEACH AND SAFE SCHOOLS AND HEALTHY SCHOOLS THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT I'M ADVOCATING FOR.  WHAT WHAT'S THE POLICY AS IT RELATES TO THE VIDEO CAMERA WHEN BOSTON POLICE REQUEST THE REQUEST TO SEE THE VIDEO, IS IT IS IT A VERBAL REQUEST?  IT IS A WRITTEN REQUEST. WHO MAKES IT? DID THAT HAVE TO BE ABOVE A CERTAIN RANK IN THE BOSTON POLICE?  SO OFTENTIMES I WOULD SAY THAT IT'S USUALLY THE SERGEANT OF REPORTING OFFICER OR WORK WITH THEIR LEAD FOR THE SCHOOL UNIT. THEY'LL TALK WITH OUR SAFETY OFFICERS AS WELL AND THEY WILL PUT THE REQUEST IN. THEY'LL ALSO SEND AN EMAIL FOR US TO NOTIFY THAT IT MAY BE A PHONE CALL AT FIRST SO THAT WE RETAIN THE INFORMATION. BUT ALL INFORMATION IS RECORDED THROUGH KIND OF THAT EMAIL CHAIN SO WE CAN DOCUMENT THAT WE'VE RECEIVED THE REQUEST AND THEN WE HOLD IT. WE WON'T RELEASE IT UNTIL THERE IS ALL THE OFFICIAL INFORMATION IN PLACE AND WE'VE HAD LEGAL REVIEW THE INFORMATION THAT IS GOING TO ARE ALL THOSE REQUESTS MADE BY BOSTON POLICE TO DO THE BOSTON SCHOOLS THAT PUBLIC INFORMATION ACT. I WOULD SAY THAT IT SHOULD BE PUBLIC INFORMATION. I BELIEVE YOU COULD FOIA THOSE THOSE REQUEST I WOULD SAY NOT ALL OF THEM ARE EXCLUSIVELY MADE BY DPD.  SOME OF THEM ARE FOR WHERE OUR DATA REQUESTS THAT DO COME TO US AS WELL.  THANK YOU, BRIAN. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. THANK YOU, COUNCILOR FOR THE ADVOCACY. I JUST WANTED TO JUST SAY LIKE I WAS WAS NOT TRYING TO BE EVASIVE OF THE QUESTION. I JUST WANTED TO RESPECT THE TOPIC BUT I COULD SEE HOW IT'S RELATED NOW. SO THANK YOU.  THANK YOU, SAM. I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, MR CHAIR. THANK YOU. COUNCILOR FLYNN, WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE COUNCILOR MURPHY'S NOT ON THE CALL ANY MORE.  SO WITH THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO FOR A SECOND ROUND OF QUESTIONS AND COUNCILOR WEBER, YOU HAVE BEFORE.  OKAY. THANK YOU, CHAIR. YEAH, JUST IN TERMS OF I GUESS I'M TRYING TO GET TO WHERE THERE IS VIDEO THAT'S GOING TO BE SHARED WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. YOU KNOW WHO WHO WOULD MAKE THAT DECISION THAT BEEPS AND WHAT GUIDANCE WOULD THEY YOU KNOW, WOULD THEY FOLLOW?  IS IT IN THE CIRCULAR LIKE HOW HOW DOES THAT THERE'S A REQUEST IF THERE'S A REQUEST IS AUTOMATICALLY YOU KNOW, GET FOLLOWED TODAY IF SOMEBODY IS NOT SURE AND THEY DO THEY REACH OUT HOW DOES THAT PROCESS WORK ? YEAH. SO GENERALLY WHEN WE RECEIVE THE REQUEST MORE OR LESS THEY COME IN WE STORE IT, WE MAKE SURE IT'S HELD BUT THEY'RE ALL REVIEWED BY OUR LEGAL TEAM ALL RIGHT. SO THEY'LL MAKE SURE IT'S PENDING TO A SPECIFIC CASE. THE RETENTION OF THAT INFORMATION IS THE ONE THING THAT GOES OUTSIDE OF THAT CHANNEL, RIGHT? SO THEY MAY MAKE THE PHONE CALL. THEY MAY SEND THE EMAIL AND MAKE THESE OTHER VERSIONS OF COMMUNICATION FOR US TO RETAIN THE THE FILE AND THEN THE RELEASING OF THAT FILE IS DONE THROUGH THE LEGAL TEAM AND UP TO THAT EVENT WE'RE LOOKING FOR TIMESTAMPS SO THEY'LL BE A LITTLE BIT OF THE BACK AND FORTH AND THEN WE'LL SCRUB ALL NON RELEVANT INFORMATION AND THEN MAKE SURE IT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH SOME OF THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT'S DONE WITH OUR FACILITIES TEAM A LITTLE BIT OF COORDINATION FROM OUR SAFETY TEAM AND THEN OUR LEGAL TEAM.  OKAY. AND THEN ARE THERE INSTANCES WHERE THE BPP IS REACHES OUT TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IF LET'S SAY THERE'S A FIGHT IN THE SCHOOL OR I WOULD WOULD REACH OUT TO PPD OR WOULD YOU WAIT FOR A REQUEST FROM ME ? YEAH. OVER THE YEARS WE'VE TRIED TO REALLY WORK ON DECRIMINALIZING OUR STUDENTS WOULD MISBEHAVE YEAR OVER THE YEARS WE'VE BEEN PUBLICLY TALKING ABOUT THE WORK YOU'VE DONE TO STEER A LOT OF STUDENT MISBEHAVIOR TOWARDS A CODE OF CONDUCT IN OUR MULTI-TIERED SYSTEMS OF SUPPORT. SO VERY RARELY DO WE CALL BOSTON POLICE UNLESS THERE'S A LARGE ENOUGH INCIDENT OR SUCH AN UNSAFE SITUATION WHERE WE DO NEED TO CALL THEM. BUT FOR THE MOST PART WE TRY TO HANDLE MOST INSTANCES IN-HOUSE TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE BUT WHERE THERE'S A CRIME THAT OCCURS OR MAY HAVE OCCURRED AND WE WOULD CONTACT THEM BUT FOR THE MOST PART ANY STUDENT MISBEHAVIOR THAT DOES HAPPEN ON CAMPUS AND WE TRY TO ASSESS THE SITUATION FIRST AND IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DEAL WITH INTERNALLY AND USE OUR CODE OF CONDUCT AND USE OUR MATERIAL SUPPORT TO DO THAT AND THEN IN THE EVENT THAT IT RISES TO THE LEVEL OR WHEN WE'RE NOT SURE OF THE RIGHT LEVEL OF CRIMINAL ACTIVITY, WE WOULD CONTACT BOTH THE POLICE.  OKAY. SO LIKE IF SO FOR SOMETHING LET'S JUST SAY SOMEBODY IN THE VIDEO CATCHES LIKE SORT OF A NONVIOLENT SOMEBODY DOES GRAFFITI ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING HERE TECHNICALLY I THINK THERE MIGHT BE A CRIMINAL YOU KNOW THERE MIGHT I THINK A PERSON CAN BE TRIED CRIMINAL LAWYER. RIGHT. BUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT WHAT WOULD THE HOW WOULD THE DISCUSSION GO WITH DO WE CONTACT DO WE SEND THIS VIDEO TO BPD OR NOT AS AND SAY IN THAT CASE THEY WOULD GENERALLY BE REQUESTING IT FROM FROM US IF THEY WERE LOOKING TO PURSUE ACTION ON IT I WOULD SAY MOST CASES OF GRAFFITI SPECIFICALLY WE JUST REMOVE IT BEFORE THE NEXT SCHOOL DAY SO THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT THAT WE WOULD DO IN THAT SPECIFIC CASE AND FOR MINOR THINGS WE'RE NOT AGAIN LOOKING TO GET STUDENTS IN TROUBLE.  WE JUST WANT AFTER THE FACT INFORMATION AND THAT THAT MIGHT BE LIKE A VANDALISM OR MISSING PROPERTY MAYBE WHEN WE WERE ENGAGED.  BUT SHORT OF THAT AFTER OKAY AND THEN I GUESS SO IN TERMS OF I THINK COUNCIL THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT LOUIJEUNE WAS AND THIS IS THE LAST QUESTION FOR MY COLLEAGUES THAT ARE IN TERMS OF WHERE THE WHERE THE THE VIDEO GOES AND WHO HAS ACCESS TO IT.  I G I GUESS WHO AT BP HAS WOULD HAVE WHO HAS ACCESS TO THE VIDEO IS TO THE PRINCIPAL THAT EVERY SCHOOL WOULD HAVE IT AND CENTRAL STATE JUST KIND OF TRY TO GIVE ME A SENSE OF WHO CAN BRING THIS DATA UP OR THAT AND THEN WATCH IT.  RIGHT. SO IT'S VERY LIMITED AND EVEN AMONG THE USERS THAT EXIST THE PRIVILEGE LEVEL IS DIFFERENT PER PERSON. SO WE HAVE THE SAFETY OFFICERS IN SOME LOCATIONS ARE ABLE TO VIEW THE FOOTAGE AS A VIEW ONLY THEY CAN'T SAVE THE FOOTAGE, THEY CAN'T REWIND, THEY CAN'T GO BACK, THEY CAN'T DO ANY OF ANY ANYTHING ELSE WITH THOSE IMAGES VERY SAME OR SIMILAR INCIDENTS FOR THE PRINCIPALS ARE ABLE TO HAVE THAT KIND OF VIEW. BUT THEY GENERALLY ARE NOT GOING BACKWARDS IN TIME AND LOOKING AT ALL OF THESE OTHER THINGS WE CAN CONTROL THOSE PERMISSIONS ESSENTIALLY DOCTOR THE PEANUT MYSELF AND OUR SECURITY STAFF MEMBERS WITHIN THE FACILITIES DEPARTMENT HAVE THOSE KIND OF SUPERUSER ABILITIES THAT ALLOW US TO SAVE PIECES OF INFORMATION, GRANT OTHERS ACCESS WHAT MIGHT BE ON THE SAFETY TEAM OR A NEW PRINCIPAL.  OKAY. AT AND JUST IN TERMS OF THE CIRCULAR SAW THAT THAT WAS POSTED ONLINE TODAY OR A IS THAT RIGHT I SEE DR. TO BE IN A NODDING SO YEAH YEAH SO TODAY LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER THESE STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES HAVE BEEN IN PLACE IN DIFFERENT PLACES SO WE JUST PUT EVERYTHING TOGETHER IN ONE PLACE WHICH IS A REFERENCE DOCUMENT FOR EVERYONE. SO THAT'S WHY WE WE JUST BASED ON THE CONVERSATIONS WE JUST FELT IS IMPORTANT TO JUST GET THE THESE OPERATING PROCEDURES IN ONE PLACE AND IMPOSE IT AND MAKE IT PUBLIC AND SHARE AND BE TRANSPARENT. AND IF I COULD ADD THE DOCUMENT EXISTED BEFORE TODAY AND WAS OUT INTERNALLY BEFORE TODAY AND WHAT YOU'RE SEEING ONLINE IS THE PUBLISHED SCHOOL YEAR VERSION THE AGE. OKAY. AND THEN I MEAN I'M I'M ASSUMING WHEN YOU SAY IT WILL TAKE A WHILE YOU KNOW AS MONTHS YOU WANT IT IF IT'S HELPFUL I'M NOT TRYING TO CALL YOU BUT AROUND HOW LONG LIKE A YEAR TO 24 HOURS. YOU KNOW, AFTER ABOUT A YEAR THE LET THE LAST USER OWNER OF THIS DOCUMENT I HAD TO GET PERMISSION FROM IT BECAUSE THEY HAD ALREADY LEFT THE DISTRICT PRIOR TO THE SUMMER SO A WHILE A LOT OF WAYS PROCEDURES HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR DECADES LIKE RIGHT. SO THAT'S A THING AS WELL. OKAY.  YEAH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU CHAIR THANK YOU, COUNSELOR WEBER COUNCIL PRESIDENT BRUCE REGION YOU HAVE THE FLOOR IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.  THANK YOU. JUST ONE MORE. WHERE DO YOU WHERE DOES BP LOOK FOR BEST PRACTICES ON HOW TO ENGAGE WITH SURVEILLANCE MATERIAL IN OUR SCHOOLS GIVEN THE UNFORTUNATE UNFORTUNATE INCREASE OF SHOOTINGS IN OUR SCHOOLS AND INCIDENTS IN OUR SCHOOLS AND THE RIGHTS THAT STUDENTS AND PEOPLE IN THE IN OUR SCHOOL BUILDINGS HAVE? SO WHERE DO YOU GO TO SORT OF FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BEST PRACTICES SHOULD BE SO THAT WE'VE GOT I WAS GOING TO SAY I THINK THERE'S A MIXED ANSWER THERE.  SO I THINK A LOT OF IT IS RELYING ON THE RESOURCES WE HAVE AT THE COUNCIL GREAT CITY SCHOOLS AND HOW THEY'RE CURRENTLY USING THEIR SURVEILLANCE MEETING UP WITH THEM ONE THREE PLUS TIMES A YEAR IN SOME CASES MONTHLY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. I KNOW THAT THE MEMBER WHO KIND OF LEADS THE SECURITY FOOTAGE WORK ALSO HAS SECURITY CAMERAS OR COLLEAGUES THAT ARE IN THE SAME FIELD OF WORK THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO BOUNCE IDEAS ON AND DIFFERENT STRATEGIES FOR HOW THEY CAN KIND OF BEST SUPPORT US AND OUR NEEDS.  AND THEN I THINK THAT FOR US IN DISTRICT LEADERSHIP IT'S JUST THE ONGOING LEARNING AND CHALLENGE OF FIGURING OUT WHAT IS AND ISN'T APPROPRIATE BECAUSE NOT EVERY RESOURCE WE'RE GOING TO GET IS A RELATABLE RESOURCE. SO THEY MIGHT HAVE ENERGY AND THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD TO THAT IS THAT WE ALSO ATTEND AND OR SPEAK AND PRESENT AT DIFFERENT NATIONAL CONFERENCES AROUND SCHOOL SAFETY UM ABOVE AND BEYOND THE CONTROVERSY THE SCHOOLS AND WE ALSO ARE CONSTANTLY ON THE LOOKOUT FOR A NEW TECHNOLOGY, A NEW SYSTEM, THE NEW PROCEDURES FROM THE SAFETY WORLD IF YOU WILL IN OUR BOSTON POLICE ARE ALSO A GOOD RESOURCE AS WELL IN JUST LAW ENFORCEMENT IN GENERAL BECAUSE THEY TEND TO HAVE A RESEARCH ARM THAT RESEARCH OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF INCIDENCES AND BEST PRACTICES THAT THAT THEY SUGGEST AS WELL. SO A COMBINATION OF ALL THOSE THINGS THANK YOU AND I, I THINK YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS LIKE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT OUR WHAT THE WHAT THE BEST PRACTICES ARE.  THE CHAIR HIMSELF YESTERDAY BROUGHT COLLEAGUES FROM AUSTIN ,TEXAS WHO WAS THERE SO THAT WE CAN LEARN FROM THEM. SO I ALWAYS THINK IT'S A BEST WHEN WE ARE LEARNING FROM OTHERS WHO ARE EITHER THE COUNSELOR GRADES IN SCHOOLS THEY'RE PHENOMENAL OR FROM OTHER DISTRICTS FROM THE CHALLENGES THAT THEY USE. I MEAN AND ALSO OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THE FOURTH AMENDMENT SPACE LIKE ELECTRONIC PRIVACY INFORMATION CENTER THAT ARE THAT ARE THAT ALSO DO REALLY HAVE A LOT OF GOOD RESEARCH ON BEST PRACTICES. YOU KNOW, I SEE KATE ON HERE SO YOUSO AS LONG AS WE ARE SORT OF GATHERING INFORMATION FROM FROM A WIDE SCOPE, I THINK THAT'S ALWAYS A BEST PRACTICE AND THEN FIGURE OUT WHAT'S WHAT WORKS BEST FOR THE DISTRICT. YOU. ANOTHER THING I WOULD ADD TO IS I ALSO I'D BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T SHOW HER OUT BUT I ALSO WANT TO JUST THANK PUBLICLY THANK OUR FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF WHO SERVED AS A COPY GRACE RETIRING SO WHO ARE YEAH SO AND THE REASON WHY I MENTION THAT IS BECAUSE YOU KNOW WE'VE BEEN NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED IN DIFFERENT SPACES OF THESE FORUMS AND CONFERENCES FOR A LOT OF OUR WORK AS BEST PRACTICE AND WE DO AND HAVE HOSTED DIFFERENT DISTRICTS TO COME TO BOSTON TO WORK WITH CHIEF COAKLEY TO SHARE OUR BEST PRACTICES AROUND CPE SECURITY AS WELL AS MR FORD AND WHAT THEY WERE DOING WITH IT. SO IT'S ONE OF THE BEING THAT WE ARE A BEST PRACTICE ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT PEOPLE DO COME AND LOOK FOR US AS WELL. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT AND CHATTED AGAIN TO ME ABOUT HER RETIREMENT AND ALL THE WORK THAT SHE'S DONE ON BEHALF OF OUR SCHOOL. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU MR CHAIR.  THANK YOU COUNCILOR PRESIDENT IT'S ALSO COUNCILOR FOR FITZGERALD. I DON'T MEAN TO SKIP OVER YOU BUT ALSO YOU HAVE WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING A LITTLE DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I WAS NOT FORGOTTEN BEFORE WE GO TO A QUESTION. BUT ACTUALLY I PREFER TO HEAR FROM FROM KATE. I'D LIKE TO GET TO THAT SO WE CAN GET GOING SO I WITHDRAW MY TIME. BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH, JAY. I APPRECIATE IT.  ALL THE BEST FOR THAT. GREAT. SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE KAPENA OR MR FORWARD IF YOU HAVE ANY CLOSING REMARKS THAT YOU WANT YOU MAY WANT TO GIVE TO THE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC.  BRIAN WHAT I'M SURE I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU TO THE COUNCIL JUST FOR HAVING US HERE AND GIVEN US A CHANCE TO EXPRESS THE TRANSPARENCY AND GIVE YOU THE KIND OF MORE INFORMATION AND PROVIDE YOU WITH AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.  YOU KNOW SECURITY IS VERY PERSONAL FOR US. I'M THANKFUL FOR THE CONNECTIONS THAT WE HAVE IN THIS ROOM IN THIS SPACE AND THE CONNECTIONS THAT WE'VE MADE WITH OTHER PEOPLE TO CONTINUE IMPROVING AND KEEPING THE STUDENT STAFF SAFE IN OUR DISTRICT.  AND I WOULD JUST BRIEFLY ECHO BRIAN SENTIMENTS AND JUST AGAIN THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU CARVER SANTANA, COUNSELOR WEBER FOR SPONSORING THIS HEARING TODAY AND THOSE WHO PARTICIPATED AND APPRECIATE THE LEARNING AND THE DESIRE TO LEARN HOW WE OPERATE IN BOTH PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND WE'RE HAPPY TO SHARE THAT INFORMATION SO THAT FOLKS ARE FULLY AWARE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC ESPECIALLY OUR STUDENTS AND PARENTS AND STAFF IN THE DISTRICT KNOW THAT WE'RE DOING THE BEST WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN THEY COME TO WORK OR SCHOOL THERE IS A SAFE ENVIRONMENT WELCOMING THEM IN THE LEARNING EXPERIENCE IS GOING TO BE A POSITIVE ONE AND IF UNFORESEEN EVENTS OCCURRED THAT WE'RE WELL-EQUIPPED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THEM AND SHALL WE RESTORE SAFETY AS BEST POSSIBLE.  THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME AND WE'LL BE HERE TO PUTTING ON SOME OF THE REST OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND OR TESTIMONY FOR ANOTHER PANEL.  GREAT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU BOTH.  WITH THAT WE WOULD ASSIST OUR FIRST PANEL AND WE WILL NOW BRING FORWARD OUR SECOND PANEL. I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE OUR INVITED TO TESTIFY ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY. SO WITH THAT I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE TATIANA, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF MARS COALITION FOR OCCUPATIONAL SAFETY AND HEALTH. JULIE SANTOS, COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT COORDINATOR WITH CITIZENS FOR JULIA NOVA. DO NOW JUSTICE NORA PAUL SQUATS WHILE SOME TEACHERS UNION UNAFRAID EDUCATORS AND AID ROCKFORD DIRECTOR OF THE TECHNOLOGY FOR LIBERTY PROGRAM OF THE ACLU OF MASSACHUSETTS AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE FOR EACH OF YOU JUST TO NAME YOUR NAME AND TITLE FOR THE RECORD AND THEN YOU CAN PROCEED WITH ANY PRESENTATION OPEN REMARKS OF YOU ALL MAY HAVE.  THANKS SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. THANKS CHAIR.  MY NAME IS KATE CRAWFORD. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF THE TECH FOR LIBERTY PROGRAM AT THE ACLU. I THINK TATYANA MAYBE WASN'T ABLE TO JOIN US.  UNFORTUNATELY I DON'T SEE HER ON THE SCREEN BUT DO YOU WANT THE OTHER FOLKS TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES BEFORE WE START? OKAY. YES.  THANK YOU. HEY, GOOD AFTERNOON. I WAS IN THE CITY COUNCIL . MY NAME IS JULIA SANTOS AND I I'M THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT COORDINATOR FOR CITIZENS FOR CRIMINAL JUSTICE.  GREAT TO BE HERE. DO I? I'M NORA PAUL SHULTS.  I'M A TEACHER AT THE JOHN D O'BRYANT SCHOOL OF MATH AND AND I'M ONE OF THE LEADERS OF UNAFRAID EDUCATORS WHICH IS THE BOSTON TEACHERS UNIONS IMMIGRANT RIGHTS ORGANIZING COMMITTEE AWESOME THANK YOU SO MUCH REALLY APPRECIATE YOU FOR BEING HERE WITHOUT I PASSED BACK OVER TO YOU FOR ANY OPENING REMARKS PRESENTATION THAT YOU ALL HAVE. OKAY, GREAT. THANKS. CHEERS. CHEERS AND THEN I'LL KICK US OFF SO I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ALL BEING HERE THIS EVENING AND THANK YOU TO THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR FOR CALLING THIS HEARING AND THANKS TO THE STAFF WE KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE WORKING HARD REALLY EVERY DAY TO MAKE US SAFE AND EXCITING LEARNING ENVIRONMENT FOR BOSTON'S KIDS AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT EASY AND IT'S A LOT OF WORK AND THERE ARE A LOT OF DEMANDS MADE OF YOU. SO I APPRECIATE THAT WORK. OBVIOUSLY FOREMOST AMONG THOSE DEMANDS AS EVERYONE HERE HAS AGREED TO SAFETY. SO I WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO ADDRESS SAFETY IN THE CONTEXT OF THE DISCUSSION WE'RE HAVING TODAY ABOUT SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS AND OUR VIEW AT THE ACLU IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU'VE HEARD SO FAR. I'LL JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, I GREW UP IN A TIME I THINK MANY OF US DID WHEN MOST SCHOOLS DIDN'T HAVE SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS AND THE IDEA THAT SOMEONE COULD BE WATCHING ME AND MY FRIENDS AND WHEN WE'RE IN THE CAFETERIA OR IN THE HALLWAY MESSING AROUND WOULD HAVE BEEN TOTALLY FOREIGN TO ME GROWING UP AND HONESTLY FRIGHTENING.  OBVIOUSLY THAT'S CHANGED TODAY. MOST SCHOOL DISTRICTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY DO HAVE SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS LIKE MANY OTHER PUBLIC AND PRIVATE INSTITUTIONS AND THAT'S TOO BAD IN OUR VIEW BECAUSE SURVEILLANCE DOESN'T KEEP US SAFE FROM VIOLENCE BUT DOES ATTACH MANY DOWNSIDES FOR STUDENTS AND SCHOOL COMMUNITIES . THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR AND CONFIRMS THAT SURVEILLANCE IS NOT SAFETY. SO JUST A COUPLE POINTS ON THAT. CAMERAS WERE IN PLACE DURING EIGHT OF TEN OF THE DEADLIEST SCHOOL SHOOTINGS IN THE PAST TWO DECADES IN THE UNITED STATES AND DID NOT PREVENT THOSE INCIDENTS. AND THAT'S NOT SURPRISING BECAUSE MULTIPLE STUDIES OVER MANY YEARS HAVE CONSISTENTLY SHOWN THAT CAMERAS DO NOT DETER VIOLENT CRIME.  SO WHILE SURVEILLANCE DOESN'T KEEP US SAFE DESPITE WHAT MANY PEOPLE BELIEVE, IT ACTUALLY CARRIES REAL RISKS FOR STUDENTS PARTICULARLY THOSE WITH ALREADY MARGINALIZED IDENTITIES LIKE BLACK AND BROWN STUDENTS, IMMIGRANT STUDENTS, STUDENTS WITH DISABILITIES AND AND TRANS STUDENTS KIDS THAT ARE MORE AT RISK OF ENTERING THE SCHOOL. THE PRISON PIPELINE AND FACING HARSHER SCHOOL DISCIPLINE AND A MORE SORT OF PHILOSOPHICAL LEVEL WITH THE ACLU WORRY THAT WE ADULTS ARE TEACHING CHILDREN ALL THE WRONG THINGS WHEN WE INSIST ON SURVEILLING THEM AT SCHOOL, SPYING ON STUDENTS TEACHES STUDENTS THE WRONG LESSONS ABOUT ISSUES LIKE AUTHENTICITY, RISK RISK TAKING AND THE RIGHT TO LIVE FREE FROM SURVEILLANCE.  IMPORTANT LESSONS FOR THEM TO UNDERSTAND IN AN INCREASINGLY AUTHORITARIAN SOCIETY OVERRUN WITH DYSTOPIAN SURVEILLANCE.  FURTHERMORE, ACCORDING TO A NATIONAL ACLU REPORT WHICH PROVIDES YOU ALL IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN READING IT WHICH IS BASED ON CONVERSATIONS WITH YOUTH ACROSS THE COUNTRY, SURVEILLANCE UNDERMINES STUDENT PRIVACY, ERODES STUDENT TRUST IN TEACHERS, SCHOOL STAFF AND ADMINISTRATORS INHIBITS STUDENTS ABILITY TO ENGAGE IN SELF-HELP INCREASES STUDENT FEAR AND CAN CRIMINALIZE YOUTH SO FAR BE IT FROM MAKING STUDENTS MORE TRUSTING OF THE ADULTS AROUND THEM. THE SURVEY ACTUALLY FOUND THAT STUDENTS WERE LESS LIKELY TO CONFIDE IN ADULTS AT SCHOOL IF THEY BELIEVED THEY WERE UNDER SURVEILLANCE AND NEARLY ONE THIRD OF THE STUDENTS SURVEYED REPORTED FEELING LIKE THEY'RE ALWAYS BEING WATCHED AT SCHOOL. SO FOR THESE REASONS AND OTHERS THE ACLU OPPOSES THE USE OF SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS IN SCHOOLS. THAT SAID, WE UNDERSTAND THAT GPS USES CAMERAS AND INTENDS TO CONTINUE USING THEM AND ALSO INVEST TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN EXPANDING SURVEILLANCE ACROSS PUBLIC SCHOOLS IN BOSTON. SO GIVEN THAT THAT'S THE STATE OF PLAY, WE RECOMMEND STRENGTHENING AND CLARIFYING THE POLICY THAT THE DISTRICT HAS IN PLACE TO GUIDE THE USE OF CAMERAS. WE HAVE A LOT OF VERY SPECIFIC CONCERNS ABOUT THE POLICY THAT WE'D BE HAPPY TO DISCUSS IN DETAIL WITH POLICE OFFICIALS AND WITH THE COUNCIL GENERALLY OUR COMMENTS RELATE TO PURPOSE LIMITATIONS, INFORMATION SHARING WITH EXTERNAL ENTITIES LIKE THE PPD AND LIMITING AND DOCUMENTING ACCESS TO CAMERA SYSTEMS WITHIN VP'S AREAS WHERE THE EXISTING POLICY IS VAGUE AND LEAVES TOO MUCH TO INTERPRETATION AND I JUST WANT TO SAY I APPRECIATE BRIAN STATING THAT BPD DOES NOT HAVE CREDENTIALED TO LOG IN AND VIEW THE CAMERA SYSTEM. THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT IN OUR VIEW OUGHT TO BE DOCUMENTED IN THE POLICY AND CURRENTLY ARE NOT.  ULTIMATELY BP'S CONTINUE TO MONITOR STUDENTS AT SCHOOLS WITH SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS.  PARENTS AND STUDENTS SHOULDN'T HAVE TO WONDER HOW THAT INFORMATION COULD BE USED OR BY WHOM OR IN WHAT TYPES OF SITUATIONS ALL OF THAT INFORMATION SHOULD BE CRYSTAL CLEAR AND TODAY THROUGH THE POLICY IT'S NOT.  SO I'LL JUST CLOSE BY THANKING YOU AGAIN FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE AND I'M CONFIDENT THAT ALL OF US ADVOCATE ADVOCATES, ADVOCATES, COUNSELORS, BPF STAFF WANT THE SAME THING FOR STUDENTS AND TEACHERS A SAFE, HEALTHY, EXCITING LIBERATORY LEARNING ENVIRONMENT WHERE YOUNG PEOPLE CAN LEARN TO THINK AND BECOME ACTIVE ENGAGED CITIZENS OF THE WORLD. SO AGAIN, THANK YOU. THE ACLU APPRECIATES THE ONGOING COLLABORATION WITH THE CITY OF BOSTON TO ACHIEVE THOSE GOALS.  EXCELLENT.  I CAN JUMP IN NEXT ALSO APOLOGIES THAT I AM CALLING FROM A CAR RIGHT NOW WAS VISITING A HOUSE OF CORRECTIONS IN THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE STATE EARLIER TODAY BUT REALLY HAPPY TO HAVE A CHANCE TO TESTIFY ON THIS PANEL AND SO THANK YOU COUNSELOR SANTANA, COUNSELOR WEBER AND THE MEMBERS OF BOSTON CITY COUNCIL FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.  AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, I WORKED FOR CITIZENS FOR JUVENILE JUSTICE. WE HAVE ALSO SUBMITTED A WRITTEN TESTIMONY AND MORE COMPREHENSIVE WRITTEN TESTIMONY THAT I IMPLORE YOU TO REFER TO AND REVIEW AND DEEPLY CONSIDER FOLLOWING MY ORAL TESTIMONY CITIZENS FOR JUVENILE JUSTICE WE ARE THE ONLY INDEPENDENT STATEWIDE NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION WORKING EXCLUSIVELY TO IMPROVE THE JUVENILE JUSTICE SYSTEM IN MASSACHUSETTS.  WE ADVOCATE CONVENE, CONDUCT RESEARCH AND EDUCATE THE PUBLIC ON IMPORTANT JUVENILE AND YOUTH JUSTICE ISSUES. OUR WORK, HOWEVER, EXTENDS BEYOND THE TRADITIONAL BOUNDARIES OF JUVENILE JUSTICE TO ADDRESS PATHWAYS AND PIPELINES THAT LEAD YOUNG PEOPLE DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY INTO FORMAL SYSTEM INVOLVEMENT. THIS INCLUDES RESEARCH AND ADVOCACY THAT WE HAVE ENGAGED IN TO ENSURE THAT SCHOOLS ARE SAFE, WELCOMING SCHOOLS ARE ALSO SAFE AND WELCOMING AND SUPPORTIVE OF ALL STUDENTS AND AVOID APPROACHES THAT LEAD STUDENTS DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY DROP OUT OR PUSH OUT SYSTEM INVOLVEMENT OR OTHER NEGATIVE.  OUR WORK PARTICULARLY ON THE SCHOOL AND PIPELINE ISSUES DRIVES US TO SUBMIT THIS TESTIMONY TO OUR CONCERNS OVER THE GROWING RELIANCE ON SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY AND IN BOSTON SCHOOLS I WANT TO ECHO THAT THE PRESENCE OF VIDEO CAMERAS IN SCHOOLS IS OFTEN JUSTIFIED AS A NECESSARY TOOL FOR INCREASING SCHOOL SAFETY. HOWEVER, THERE IS A LACK OF PEER REVIEWED RESEARCH ESTABLISHING THIS CLAIM. I WOULD ALSO BE REMISS NOT TO UPLIFT THE QUOTE FROM THE SUPREME COURT DECISION FROM TINKER DE MOINE WHICH STATES THAT NEITHER STUDENTS NOR TEACHERS SHED THEIR CIVIL LIBERTIES AT THE SCHOOLHOUSE DOOR AND SO I THINK THAT STUDENTS SHOULD AND DO EXPECT A DEGREE OF PRIVACY AS THEY'RE ENTERING INTO THE SCHOOL BUILDING EACH DAY.  FURTHERMORE, THERE IS RESEARCH ON THE IMPACT OF CAMERAS AS A CRIME DETERRENT OUTSIDE OF SCHOOLS SHOWING THAT THEY ARE LARGELY INEFFECTIVE. IT IS NOTABLE THAT AS KATE HAD MENTIONED IN THE LAST TWO DECADES THAT EIGHT OUT OF THE TEN MOST DEADLY SCHOOL SHOOTINGS TOOK PLACE IN SCHOOLS WITH SURVEILLANCE VIDEO CAMERAS. EVEN THE IMPACT OF CAMERAS ON A STUDENT'S PERCEPTION OF SAFETY BRINGS SIGNIFICANT QUESTIONS ABOUT THE POSITIVE IMPACT THAT WE ALL THERE'S THIS CLAIM ABOUT THAT IT'S STATED THAT CAMERAS WILL MAKE STUDENTS FEEL SAFE. BUT ACCORDING TO A NATIONAL POLL BY YOUGOV, NEARLY A THIRD OF STUDENTS SURVEYED REPORTED THAT SCHOOL SURVEILLANCE ACTUALLY MADE THEM FEEL UNSAFE LIKE THEY BEING WATCHED CONSTANTLY AND THAT IT IS LIMITED THEIR ABILITY TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES. I ALSO WANT TO ADD ANECDOTALLY THAT IN SPEAKING TO LGBTQ STUDENTS I HAVE I HAVE YOU KNOW, THIS FEEDBACK HAS BEEN EXPRESSED TO ME . MORE THAN ONE IN TEN OF THE YOUTH IN THIS YOUGOV SURVEY EXPRESSED THAT SURVEILLANCE MADE THEM FEEL ANXIOUS, EXPOSED, PARANOID OR VIOLATED. AND STUDENTS ALSO SHARED CONCERNS ON HOW VIDEO TAKEN BY CAMERAS WOULD BE USED WITH 27% BEING WORRIED ABOUT HOW THE INFORMATION GLEANED FROM SURVEILLANCE TECH COULD BE USED TO DISCIPLINE THEM AND THEIR FRIENDS AND 22% CONCERNED ABOUT HOW AND WHETHER THAT INFORMATION COULD BE SHARED WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT.  I ALSO WANT TO ECHO THAT THESE HARMS FROM SURVEILLANCE DISPROPORTIONATELY IMPACTS STUDENTS OF COLOR STUDENTS WITH DISABILITIES, LGBTQ STUDENTS AND IMMIGRANT STUDENTS. RESEARCH CONNECTS AN OVERRELIANCE ON THE SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY WITH AND THIS IS SIGNIFICANT CREATING A PRISON LIKE ENVIRONMENT UNDERMINING TRUST BETWEEN STUDENTS AND EDUCATORS . MANY STUDENTS FEEL THAT THEY'RE ENTERING THEIR SCHOOL BUILDING TO LEARN BUT THEY ARE BEING WATCHED THERE BE CRIMINALIZED AND THAT'S NOT A WELCOMING ENVIRONMENT TO STEP IN TO.  SO IN LIGHT OF THESE CONCERNS WE STRONGLY URGE THE CITY COUNCIL TO PLACE THE FOLLOWING GUARDRAILS ON THE USE OF SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS AND THE VIDEO CAPTURED BY THEM IN SCHOOLS.  WE BELIEVE THAT THERE SHOULD BE A REGULAR ANNUAL AUDIT OF BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY AIMED AT AIMED AT ENSURING THAT FOOTAGE CAPTURED BY THESE SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS IN SCHOOLS IS NOT SHARED WITH THE BOSTON REGIONAL INTELLIGENCE CENTER,  COMMONWEALTH FUSION CENTER OR ANY OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT DATABASES IN A MANNER THAT TRACK VIOLATE BOSTON CITY ORDINANCE 1663 ON SURVEILLANCE OVERSIGHT AND INFORMATION SHARING OR CHAPTER 7137 OUT OF THE MASSACHUSETTS GENERAL LAWS BOTH THE ORDINANCE AND STATE LAW MAKE VERY CLEAR THAT THERE ARE ESTABLISHED LIMITS ON SHARING OF STUDENT INFORMATION BARRING THE SHARING OF QUOTE ANY INFORMATION RELATING TO A STUDENT OR A STUDENT'S FAMILY MEMBER FROM ITS DATABASES AND OTHER RECORDKEEPING SYSTEMS INCLUDING ONE IMMIGRATION STATUS TO CITIZENSHIP. THREE.  NEIGHBORHOOD OF RESIDENCE OR RELIGION? FIVE NATIONAL ORIGIN SIX ETHNICITY OR SEVEN SUSPECTED OF ALLEGED OR CONFIRMED GANG AFFILIATION UNLESS IT IS GERMANE TO A SPECIFIC UNLAWFUL INCIDENT OR TO SPECIFIC PROSPECT OF UNLAWFUL ACTIVITY THE SCHOOL IS OTHERWISE REQUIRED TO REPORT UNQUOTE.  GIVEN THE SHAMEFUL RECENT HISTORY OF THE INFORMATION STUDENTS BEING INAPPROPRIATELY SHARED AND LEADING TO DEPORTATION PROCEEDINGS AGAINST UNDOCUMENTED STUDENTS, WE STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THAT THIS COUNCIL AND DPS LEADERSHIP REMAIN VIGILANT IN ENSURING THAT VIDEO WHICH REVEALS ANY INFORMATION PROTECTED BY THE ORDINANCE AND THE STATUTE NOT BE SHARED TO AVOID PERPETUATING A CLIMATE OF FEAR THAT RISKS UNDERMINING STUDENTS RIGHT TO EDUCATION.  THE RESULT OF THIS AUDIT COULD BE SHARED WITH BOTH THE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC TO ENSURE TRANSPARENCY.  WE ALSO ENCOURAGE THIS COUNCIL TO IMPLEMENT A REGULAR AUDIT ON RETENTION AND PRIVACY A POLICY THAT TREATS VIDEO CAPTURED BY CAMERAS IN SCHOOLS IN THE SAME MANNER AS IN THE SAME MANNER AS STUDENT REPORTS AND COMMISSION AND ANNUAL AUDIT THAT ENSURES THAT DATA RETENTION PROVISIONS OF THE BOSTON CITY ORDINANCE 1663 ON SURVEILLANCE OVERSIGHT AND INFORMATION SHARING EXCUSE ME ARE FOLLOWED WITH RESPECT TO THOSE VIDEOS. SECTION 16 63.8 MANDATES THAT INFORMATION THAT QUOTE DO NOT CONFORM WITH SECTION 16 63.4 SHALL BE DESTROYED UNQUOTE AND THAT INFORMATION QUOTE CREATED MORE THAN FIVE YEARS AGO SHALL BE DESTROYED UNQUOTE. THE RESULT OF THIS AUDIT SHOULD BE SHARED WITH BOTH THE COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC AGAIN TO ENSURE TRANSPARENCY. GIVEN THESE CONCERNS, WE THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE SHOULD REALLY BE ASKING OURSELVES HOW MUCH OF THE BUDGET WE SHOULD ALLOCATE TOWARD CAMERAS ESPECIALLY GIVEN OTHER SAFETY CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE WITH BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS PARTICULARLY FUNDING AROUND FACILITIES USE FUNDING AROUND MENTAL HEALTH SUPPORT FUNDING AROUND RESOURCES THAT WOULD GET TO THE ROOT OF A LOT OF SAFETY ISSUES AND REALLY FURTHER A SAFE AND WELCOMING AND INCLUSIVE SCHOOL ENVIRONMENT FOR ALL STUDENTS. THANK YOU FOR THE TIME AND AGAIN I ASK THAT YOU DEEPLY CONSIDER OUR SUBMITTED WRITTEN TESTIMONY AS WELL. THANK YOU.  GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING ME ON THIS PANEL. AS I SAID, MY NAME IS NORA PAUL SCHULZ. I'M A PHYSICS AND ENGINEERING TEACHER AT THE BRYANT.  I'M A LEADER OF UNAFRAID EDUCATORS AND I'M ALSO A RESIDENT OF JAMAICA PLAIN AS AN EDUCATOR AND A MEMBER OF THE BOSTON TEACHERS UNION. IT IS IMPORTANT TO ME TO KEEP CAMERAS OUT OF CLASSROOMS.  STUDENTS SHOULD NOT BE SURVEILLED WHILE THEY ARE LEARNING. THEY SHOULD HAVE THE FREEDOM TO MAKE MISTAKES WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT MISTAKES BEING CAPTURED ON CAMERA. TEACHING AND LEARNING SHOULD NOT BE SURVEILLED ESPECIALLY IN THIS AGE OF POLITICIANS CENSORING WHAT TEACHERS CAN TEACH AND STUDENTS CAN LEARN. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THE SANCTITY OUR CLASSROOM IS MAINTAINED. CLASSROOMS ARE NOT ONLY THE SPACES IN THE SCHOOL THAT ARE WHOSE CLASSROOMS ARE NOT THE ONLY SPACES IN THE SCHOOLS IN OUR SCHOOLS THAT ARE USED FOR INSTRUCTIONS. THERE ARE OTHER SPACES INCLUDING GYMS IN LIBRARIES THAT ARE USED AT INSTRUCTIONAL SPACES REGULARLY. SOME OF THESE SPACES HAVE SECURITY CAMERAS IN THEM. I HAVE WATCHED AS SECURITY CAMERAS ARE ARE INSTALLED IN OUR LIBRARIES AND IT IS IMPORTANT THESE CAMERAS ARE NOT USED DURING THE SCHOOL DAY WHEN INSTRUCTOR IS TAKING PLACE AND SO ON WHO THINKS A LOT ABOUT HOW INFORMATION IS GATHERED AND USED AGAINST OUR STUDENTS IN THEIR TIMES AGAINST EDUCATORS? IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THERE ARE CLEAR GUIDELINES ABOUT HOW THE CAMERAS ARE USED.  WHILE I NOW KNOW THAT THERE IS A POLICY AS SOMEONE WHO HAS TAUGHT IN BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS FOR 11 YEARS, THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE SEEN THIS POLICY OR HEARD THAT IT EXISTS. AS A MEMBER OF THE SCHOOL OF THIS SCHOOL COMMUNITY I HAVE SEEN CAMERAS IN THE HALLWAYS AND OUTSIDE OF MY CLASSROOM BUT NO ONE HAS OFFICIALLY POINTED THEM OUT TO ME . IN MY EXPERIENCE I HAVE NEVER SEEN OR HEARD ANYONE EXPLICITLY POINT OFFICIALLY POINT OUT THE CAMERAS TO MY STUDENTS NOR IS IT PART OF OUR BEGINNING OF THE YEAR PROCEDURES FOR OUR STUDENTS WITH THESE CAMERAS. I HAVE HAD SO MANY QUESTIONS HOW IS THE FOOTAGE BEING USED? WHO IS IT BEING SHARED WITH? WHO HAS ACCESS TO IT? HOW LONG IS IT?  HOW LONG IS IT BEING SAVED THERE NEEDS TO BE A TRANSPARENT READING GUIDELINES WHICH I KNOW NOW ARE SHARED BUT THAT ARE NEGOTIATED WITH AFFECTED UNIONS INACCESSIBLE TO THE ENTIRE SCHOOL COMMUNITY THAT ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS. HOW CAN WE HAVE TRUST THAT THESE CAMERAS ARE NOT BEING USED TO HARM PEOPLE?  IF SO MUCH REMAINS UNCLEAR ABOUT THEIR USE?  FINALLY, THERE ARE ADDITIONAL NEGATIVE IMPACTS OF ADDING NEW CAMERAS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN CONSIDERED. KNOW THAT WHEN BP HAS UPDATED OUR CAMERAS OUR SCHOOL WI-FI CONNECTION SUFFERED THE CAMERAS DID NOT DID NOT COME WITH A MEDIA BANDWIDTH UPGRADE OUR SCHOOLS AND SO ALL ALL OF THE SUDDEN THE WI-FI DID NOT WORK AS WELL AS THE TEACHER.  THIS IS INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATING WHEN YOU HAVE DESIGNED AN ENGAGING LESSON THAT REQUIRES YOU USE CHROMEBOOKS IN THE PAGES WILL NOT LOAD FOR YOUR STUDENTS TO MEANINGFULLY ENGAGE WITH THE LESSON AND IT FEELS LIKE HOURS OF WORK DOWN THE DRAIN. AND LET ME TELL YOU IT REALLY DOESN'T HAPPEN TO ME TODAY. WE ALREADY STRUGGLED WITH WI-FI ISSUES WITHOUT SECURITY CAMERAS EATING UP OUR BANDWIDTH. ADDITIONALLY, ACCORDING TO OUR IT SPECIALIST, THE SECURITY CAMERAS ALSO BUMPED OUR COLORED PRINTERS OFF OF THE IP ADDRESS. SO ALL OF A IT WAS NOT WORK. THESE MAY SOUND LIKE SMALL BUT AS IT AT BUT FOR TEACHERS TRYING CREATE LEARNING OPPORTUNITIES FOR OUR STUDENTS IN AN ALREADY CHALLENGING CONTEXT THEY DON'T FEEL SMALL. OF COURSE NEW CAMERAS ARE ALSO EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE TO STILL MAINTAIN.  THE CITY HAS COMMITTED TO SPEND $30 MILLION OVER FIVE YEARS ON UPDATING AND MAINTAINING SECURITY AND CAMERAS. PERSONALLY IT'S FRUSTRATING TO WATCH THIS CITY AND DISTRICT INVEST SO MUCH MONEY AND TIME INTO NEW SECURITY CAMERAS THAT ON THE DAY TODAY HINDER MY JOB AS A TEACHER AS OPPOSED TO FIXING THE LEAKS IN OUR BUILDING.  INVESTING IN DESIRED NEW EQUIPMENT IN OUR SCIENCE CLASSROOM PROVIDING ENOUGH EDUCATORS SO TEACHERS ARE NOT FORCED TO TEACH UNDER TWO LICENSE OR OR HELPING WITH A MYRIAD OF OTHER CHALLENGES OUR SCHOOLS IN OUR MYRIAD OF OTHER THINGS OUR SCHOOLS IN OUR STUDENTS DESPERATELY NEED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.  THANK YOU SO MUCH. I REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THREE OF YOU BEING HERE. AT THIS TIME WE WILL NOW MOVE FORWARD ON CROWDSOURCE QUESTIONS STARTING WITH THE ORIGINAL CO-SPONSOR ALSO WHETHER YOU HAVE 7 MINUTES. I WILL GO OFF CAMERA AND THEN I WILL APPEAR BACK ON CAMERA. ONE MINUTE LEFT THE OTHER FLOOR. OKAY.  YEAH, I GUESS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR STATEMENTS BECAUSE YOU'RE ON. I KNOW JULIE SANTOS MENTIONED THE DEPORTEES OF THE STUDENT I. I ASSUME YOU HAVE THE INFORMATION ON THAT JILLIAN ZERO AND YOU CAN DIGEST IT. CAN YOU GIVE US JUST A SHORT SYNOPSIS OF THAT? YEAH.  SO I MEAN, JULIE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO JUMP IN IF YOU'RE LISTENING BUT THERE WERE INCIDENTS WHERE I BELIEVE IT WAS LIKE IN 135 CASES OR SOMETHING. INFORMATION WAS SHARED FROM BEEPS THROUGH BPD TO IMMIGRATION AND WE'RE AWARE OF AT LEAST ONE INSTANCE IN WHICH A STUDENT WAS PICKED UP BY ICE. I THINK LIKE THE DAY AFTER HE TURNED 18 AND DEPORTATION PROCEEDINGS WERE INITIATED AGAINST HIM THAT WERE BASED ALMOST ENTIRELY ON AN ALLEGATION THAT WAS MADE IN A SAFETY REPORT THAT WAS SHARED WITH THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT ALLEGING THAT THE STUDENT WAS A GANG MEMBER BECAUSE HE WAS PRESENT LIKE IN THE CAFETERIA WHEN A FIGHT TOOK PLACE. AND IT IS THE POSITION OF THAT STUDENT AND HIS IMMIGRATION LAWYER THAT HE WAS NOT A GANG MEMBER AND THAT THIS WAS A WRONGFUL ACCUSATION. SO AS A RESULT OF THAT INCIDENT AND THE 100 PLUS OTHER INCIDENTS IN WHICH INFORMATION CAME FROM BEEPS THROUGH BPT TO ICE, I MEAN THAT'S YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THOSE ARE THE REASONS THAT THE COUNCIL ALONG WITH ADVOCATES SOME OF WHOM WERE ON THIS CALL MANY OF WHOM ARE NOT WORKED TO INCLUDE THE INFORMATION SHARING LIMITATIONS IN THE SURVEILLANCE OVERSIGHT ORDINANCE THAT ARE CURRENTLY LAW IN THE CITY OF BOSTON. AND I BELIEVE THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JULIE WAS REFERRING TO WITH RESPECT TO ENSURING THAT THIS POLICY THAT THE MRU THAT THAT SAM MENTIONED EARLIER THAT COUNCILOR FLYNN ASKED ABOUT ALIGNS WITH WITH WHAT'S REQUIRED BY CITY MUNICIPAL LAW . I DON'T KNOW JULIE, IF YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT THAT . DO YOU I APPRECIATE THAT APOLOGIES OF RUBBER. I THINK THAT KATIE DID A GREAT JOB DETAILING THIS AND EXPLICITLY HOW THE INFORMATION SHARING AND OUR CONCERNS AROUND THAT AND TO YOU KNOW, IT REALLY SIGNIFICANT NOT ONLY FOR THIS YOUNG PERSON BUT OTHER YOUNG PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, MILDLY THREATENED AND ABUSE SCHOOL AS A SAFE SPACE. I WOULD ALSO BE HAPPY TO FOLLOW UP WITH THE COUNCIL AFTERWARDS AND PROVIDE VARIOUS MEDIA ARTICLES AND OTHER INFORMATION PERTAINING TO THAT PARTICULAR INCIDENT. OKAY. YEAH. I MEAN THE REASON WHY I ASKED I DON'T KNOW AND THIS IS AGAIN FOR FOR JULIE OR A KID I MEAN HAVING HAD AN HOUR OR A COUPLE OF HOURS IN THE TESTIMONY IN LIGHT OF WHAT WE EXPECT THE INCOMING PRESIDENTIAL ADMINISTRATION IT IS IS THE LEGAL DEPARTMENT OF THE EPA.  ARE YOU DO YOU FEEL THAT THOSE SAFEGUARDS ARE IN PLACE WITH THIS POLICY IN TERMS OF INFORMATION SHARING FOR THIS FOR FOR THE VIDEO CAMERAS AT LEAST OR IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D WANT DPS TO BE DOING? I HEARD THAT THEY THEY HAVE A LEGAL DEPARTMENT AND THEY GO THROUGH IT. YOU KNOW, I'M ASSUMING THEY'RE NOT FOURTH AMENDMENT EXPERTS AT THE DPS LEGAL DEPARTMENT AT THEIR VERY TALENTED EDUCATION WAS A TOTALLY SEPARATE THING.  SO I DON'T I DON'T KNOW ANY THOUGHTS ON WHETHER THERE'S AN THERE'S ENOUGH HERE THAT YOU'RE WE SHOULD FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE'RE WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A SIMILAR ISSUE. YEAH THANKS FOR THE QUESTION AND JULIE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THIS BUT I WOULD SAY TWO THINGS ONE THAT YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN A LITTLE CONFUSED ABOUT THE CONVERSATION AROUND THE UPDATED MRU BECAUSE THERE IS LAW THAT GOVERNS INFORMATION SHARING BETWEEN BP'S AND BP. SO OBVIOUSLY LAW TRUMPS POLICY HERE AND YOU KNOW, WE EXPECT THAT THE BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS ARE GOING TO ADHERE TO THE LAW . THERE'S ANOTHER LAW THAT IS RELEVANT TO YOUR QUESTION COUNSELOR, WHICH IS THE TRUST ACT.  SO THE TRUST ACT ALSO HAS SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT'S INFORMATION SHARING PROCEDURES WITH IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT. AND FINALLY, I WOULD JUST SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE AREAS WHERE I THINK IT WAS REALLY HELPFUL, BRIAN I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE STILL LISTENING BUT IT WAS IT WAS REALLY HELPFUL TO HEAR YOU CLARIFY SOME OF THE POINTS THAT I THINK THE POLICY COULD BE MORE SPECIFIC ON WITH RESPECT TO, YOU KNOW, HOW BP ACCESSES INFORMATION.  BUT TO YOUR QUESTION, COUNSELOR, I DO THINK THAT THERE IS ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT IN THE POLICY WITH RESPECT TO FLESHING OUT SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW LEGAL DEMANDS FOR INFORMATION OR INFORMAL REQUESTS FOR INFORMATION WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, VIDEO SURVEILLANCE DATA OR OTHER STUDENT INFORMATION ARE HANDLED YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY IN THIS POLICY IT WOULD BE PERTINENT TO TALK ABOUT HOW VIDEO REQUESTS ARE HANDLED. YOU KNOW, WE WOULD PROBABLY RECOMMEND THAT BECAUSE AS YOU SAID, COUNSELOR, BP'S LAWYERS MIGHT NOT BE SUPER CONFIDENT IN EVALUATING WHETHER OR NOT A REQUEST FROM YOU KNOW, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE AN OPTION TO COMPLY WITH OR ARE LEGALLY REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THAT IT WOULD PROBABLY BE BEST BEST PRACTICE FOR THOSE TYPES OF REQUESTS TO BE VETTED THROUGH THROUGH THE GENERAL COUNSEL'S OFFICE FOR THE CITY OF BOSTON. YEAH, AND I DID A VERY GOOD PIECE AND MAYBE THEY'RE BECOME EXPERTS ON ALL THESE THINGS OVER TIME. I DON'T KNOW NOTHING AGAINST THEM.  JUST WANT ONE MORE QUICK QUESTION. CHAIR I GUESS FOR YOU KNOW I THINK IN TERMS OF PRIVACY AND ALL THAT STUFF AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DETERRENCE AND SAFETY, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S MORE RESEARCH THAT'S BEEN DONE ON METAL DETECTORS AND THAT I THINK HAS A CLOSER RELATIONSHIP WITH SAFETY IN TERMS OF LIKE YOU'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO POTENTIALLY STOP SOMETHING FROM HAPPENING WHEREAS THE CAMERA YOU KNOW YOU'RE YOU'RE THINKING SOMEBODY'S GOING TO LOOK UP AT THE CAMERA AND THEN NOT DO WHAT THEY'RE ABOUT TO DO.  IT'S SORT OF A MORE TENUOUS THING. BUT WHAT DOES THE RESEARCH SAY ABOUT THE PRESENCE OF OF METAL DETECTORS AND WHAT KIND OF IMPACT THAT HAS ON ON STUDENTS AND SAFETY? THANKS FOR THE QUESTION, COUNCILOR WEBER. I DON'T KNOW THAT I'M PREPARED TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION TODAY. JULIE, DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THINGS LIKE METAL DETECTORS IN SCHOOLS?  WE ABSOLUTELY DO. AND THERE'S A PUBLICATION ON C OF JJ'S WEBSITE CALLED METAL METAL DETECTORS ESSENTIALLY CALLING THEM SECURITY. PETER I ALSO HAVE CFP EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR LEON SMITH NEXT TO ME RIGHT NOW. I WAS WONDERING IF IT WOULD BE ALRIGHT FOR HIM TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL INSIGHT ON THE YOU COULD CUT OUT JULIE BUT I'M HAPPY TO LOOK AT IT AND I THINK IT'S INSTRUCTIVE FOR JUST KIND OF THINKING ABOUT STUFF LIKE THIS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY.  THANK YOU. NORA SCHULTZ FOR I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT KIND OF HOW IT IMPACTS THE ENVIRONMENT IN SCHOOL BUT YOU ADDRESS THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU CHAIR COUNSELOR.  IF I COULD JUST SORT OF RESPOND GENERALLY TO YOUR IT SOUNDS LIKE YOUR QUESTION IS LIKE WELL WHAT ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE COULD DO RIGHT IF SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS ARE NOT ACTUALLY DETERRING VIOLENCE AND AND THERE IS RESEARCH THAT INDICATES THAT THE BY FAR THE THING THAT SCHOOLS CAN DO TO KEEP STUDENTS SAFE IS TO DEVELOP TRUSTING RELATIONSHIP UPS BETWEEN STUDENTS AND SCHOOL STAFF SO TEACHERS AND ADMINISTRATORS IS BECAUSE STUDENTS ARE GOING TO BE THE ONES WHO KNOW MOST LIKELY WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A THERE'S A POTENTIAL THREAT TO THE SAFETY OF THE SCHOOL OR OTHER STUDENTS.  AND SO, YOU KNOW, IN CASES WHERE STUDENTS DO FEEL COMFORTABLE SPEAKING TO, YOU KNOW, COUNSELORS OR OR TEACHERS OR SCHOOL ADMINISTRATORS ABOUT EITHER THEIR OWN, YOU KNOW, MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES OR YOU KNOW, MAYBE ISSUES THAT THEIR FRIENDS OR CLASSMATES ARE DEALING WITH.  IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT REALLY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT SCHOOLS CAN DO TO KEEP KEEP THE COMMUNITY SAFE.  YEAH, THANKS, KATE. I JUST TO CLARIFY AND MY QUESTION WAS MORE WHO WAS WAS ABOUT WELL, I THINK YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GAUGE WHAT KIND OF IMPACT, YOU KNOW, HAVING THESE THINGS IN THE SPACE HAS ON A KID AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, WE WANT SAFE SCHOOLS BUT WHERE SOMETHING LIKE A CAMERA IS NOT GOING TO STOP SOMETHING, IT'S JUST YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S THERE AND YOU SEE IT AND YOU'RE BEING MONITORED AS A METAL DETECTOR YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT'S BEING IS IT MY MY SENSE IS IT DOES IT HAS POSITIVE IMPACTS AND PROBABLY FINDING WEAPONS BUT ALSO HAS, YOU KNOW, UNINTENDED LET'S SAY UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES ON KIDS AND YOU KNOW, JUST SO THAT WE'RE CONSCIOUS OF THOSE THOSE THINGS AND I JUST I THOUGHT THAT WAS AND SO I'LL DEFINITELY SPEND SOME TIME ON METAL DETECTORS TO TO LOOK AT THAT. THANK YOU THANK YOU, COUNSELOR WEBER NEXT I KNOW WE WERE GOING TO HAVE COUNSELOR FITZGERALD AND I GOT A MESSAGE FROM HIM THAT HE WAS HAVING SOME TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES BUT HE WANTED ME TO THAT NUMBER TO KNOW THAT HE APPRECIATES YOUR PERSPECTIVE AND HE LOOKS FORWARD TO THE WORK TO WORK TO FIND OUT THE BALANCE BETWEEN THE IMPROPER USE OF CAMERAS AND SAFETY FOR OUR STUDENTS AND STAFF THAT HE APPRECIATES YOUR TESTIMONY. SO WITH THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HAND IT OVER TO COUNCIL PRESIDENT LOUIJEUNE YOU THE FLOOR.  THANK YOU, MR CHAIR, AND THANK YOU FOR ALL THE ADVOCATES FOR ALL THE WORK THAT YOU DO AND IN OUR SCHOOL BUILDINGS AND OUTSIDE FOR OUR YOUNG PEOPLE.  I HAVE A QUESTION I THINK IS FOR EVERYBODY AND PARTICULARLY FOR KATE AND I KNOW THAT WE'VE SPOKEN ABOUT THIS BEFORE AND IT'S THE SAME OLD IDEA SORT OF LIKE YOU KNOW, I TRIED TO GET AT THIS LIKE WHAT DOES SAFETY REALLY MEAN AND WHAT DOES IT REALLY MEAN FOR COMMUNITIES AND LIKE FOR SOME PEOPLE.  AND AS AN ALLERGY COUNSELOR YOU SEE THIS AT COMMUNITY MEETINGS . FOR SOME PEOPLE THEIR CAMERAS DO SIGNIFY SAFETY, A LEVEL OF SAFETY. AND WHAT I HEAR WHAT I'M HEARING FROM YOU IS THAT, YOU KNOW, SECURITY CAMERAS WERE PRESENT AT SOME OF THE BIGGER MASS SHOOTINGS THAT WE'VE UNFORTUNATELY SEEN AT OUR SCHOOLS.  AND SO WHAT I WHAT I TAKE FOR THAT IS THAT SECURITY CAMERAS AREN'T ACTUALLY A PREVENTATIVE MEASURE. RIGHT? THEY DON'T PREVENT CRIME AND THERE'S SO MANY THINGS ABOUT WHAT WHAT DOES PREVENTION USUALLY LOOK LIKE IN CRIME PREVENTION? IS IT ACTUALLY USUALLY PUNITIVE IS USUALLY HOW WE INVEST AND HOLD PEOPLE AND HOLD CHILDREN AND IT'S THE SAME EVERYWHERE BUT THERE IS AN ELEMENT OF CAMERAS THAT ARE IMPORTANT FOR THAT CRIME SOLUTION PART THE REACTION PART OF WHEN A CRIME DOES HAPPEN. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR TAKE ON THAT AND THE PRESENCE OF CAMERAS FOR THAT PURPOSE TO REACT REACTING TO CRIME TO HELPING TO SOLVE CRIME. AND THIS IS OF COURSE YOU KNOW, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE SPECIFICALLY AROUND SCHOOL. SO I LOVE BOTH YOUR TAKE ON THIS QUESTION IF YOU WANT TO GIVE IT GENERALLY BUT I KNOW THIS THIS IS SPECIFICALLY ABOUT SCHOOLS BECAUSE I HEAR IT ALL THE TIME COMMUNITY MEETINGS WE HEAR IT ALL THE TIME ACROSS THE CITY LIKE A DESIRE FOR MORE CAMERAS AND YOU KNOW AND I TALKED TO THE COMMISSION ABOUT THIS ALL THE TIME THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CRIME ACTUALLY HAPPENING AND THE FEAR OF CRIME AND IT'S OFTEN REALLY HARD TO DISTINGUISH WHAT PEOPLE ARE RESPONDING TO. BUT WE DO KNOW THAT CAMERAS OFTEN ARE RESPONDING TO BOTH ACTUAL CRIME AND THE FEAR FACTOR. I WOULD LOVE YOUR TAKE ON THAT. YEAH, I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION AND THERE'S NO DOUBT THAT THERE IS A PERCEPTION THAT YOU KNOW THAT YOU KNOW THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE THAT CAMERAS INCREASE SAFETY AND TO YOUR POINT YEAH, THE DATA DEFINITELY SHOWS THAT THAT SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS DO NOT DETER VIOLENCE. THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT THEY CAN BE USEFUL IN DISCOVERING DETAILS ABOUT VIOLENT INCIDENTS RIGHT.  I MEAN IT WAS I THINK SAM WHO MENTIONED EARLIER THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE USES THAT BPD OR ONE OF THE WAYS THAT THAT BEEPS RATHER USES THE CAMERAS IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IS TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED. RIGHT. LIKE THERE WAS A FIGHT IN THE HALLWAY YOU KNOW, KID SAYS X AND KID B SAYS Y AND YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE CAMERA WILL SHOW SHOW WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED THEN.  AND I THINK IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTION AND IT'S ACTUALLY A HUGE PART OF THE REASON WHY WE AS ADVOCATES PUSH THE SURVEILLANCE OVERSIGHT ORDINANCE TO BEGIN WITH BECAUSE THERE IS I BELIEVE A GAP BETWEEN THE PERCEPTION OF THE ROLE THAT CAMERAS PLAY EVEN IN TERMS OF AFTER THE FACT SOLVING CRIMES, YOU KNOW, DISCOVERING WHO PERPETRATED A CRIME, FINDING THEM YOU KNOW, USING THAT EVIDENCE TO ARREST AND PROSECUTE SOMEONE AND GET A CONVICTION AND THE ACTUAL EFFICACY THAT CAMERAS PROVIDE IN TERMS OF SOLVING CRIMES AND YOU KNOW, BY NO MEANS AM I SUGGESTING THAT CAMERAS ARE NEVER USEFUL IN SOLVING CRIMES BUT WE ACTUALLY DON'T HAVE DATA THAT CLEARLY SHOWS US YOU KNOW ,FOR THE CITY OF BOSTON, FOR EXAMPLE, FOR THE 1200 OR SO CAMERAS THAT THE BOSTON POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS ACROSS THE CITY, YOU KNOW HOW MANY TIMES THOSE CAMERAS ARE INSTRUMENTAL IN HELPING THE VPD SOLVE LIKE SHOOTINGS, FOR EXAMPLE? WE DON'T HAVE THAT DATA AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WANTED THE SURVEILLANCE ORDINANCE TO GO INTO EFFECT BECAUSE WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT IN THE COMING YEARS, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THE ANNUAL SURVEILLANCE REPORTS THAT BEEPS AND BEEP AND SOME OTHER CITY AGENCIES ARE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE TO THE PUBLIC AND TO THE COUNCIL , WE WILL START TO LEARN THOSE THINGS. RIGHT. SO IN THE PAST THIS THE FIRST YEAR OF IMPLEMENTATION BPD DID NOT PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC, DID NOT PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC BUT BUT BPD DID FOR THE FIRST TIME PROVIDE A AN ACCOUNTING OF THE SITUATIONS IN WHICH CAMERA FOOTAGE IS REQUESTED FROM THE VIDEO EVIDENCE UNIT AT BPD AND LIKE WHAT TYPES OF INCIDENTS THOSE WERE. AND I WAS SURPRISED AND I THINK PROBABLY A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE TO HEAR THAT THE NUMBER ONE REASON THAT CAMERA FOOTAGE WAS REQUESTED WAS TO INVESTIGATE TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS. SO YOU KNOW, THERE'S A PERCEPTION I THINK THAT THE CAMERAS ARE MOSTLY USED TO INVESTIGATE AND SOLVE, YOU KNOW, SERIOUS VIOLENT CRIMES AND AND THEY ARE USED FOR THAT PURPOSE.  BUT OVERWHELMINGLY, YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER ONE REASON THAT THE CAMERAS WERE UTILIZED BY THE BPD WAS TO INVESTIGATE TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS. SO SO I DO THINK THERE'S A THERE'S A GAP BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, THE PERCEPTION OF THE ROLE THAT CAMERAS PLAY AND THEN THE ACTUAL ROLE THAT THEY PLAY AND SO WE WE ENCOURAGE BEEPS IN NEXT YEAR'S ANNUAL SURVEILLANCE REPORT TO PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION. RIGHT. TO TELL THE PUBLIC NOT THE SPECIFIC DETAILS OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE THOSE ARE SENSITIVE TO YOUNG PEOPLE WHO HAVE WHO HAVE A SPECIAL PRIVACY RIGHTS AT SCHOOL AND IN THE JUVENILE SYSTEM.  BUT GENERAL DATA RIGHT ABOUT LIKE YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR CAMERA CAMERA FOOTAGE WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN HELPING PPD FIND THE IDENTITY OF SOMEONE WHO, YOU KNOW, SHOT SOMEONE OUTSIDE OF A BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOL BUILDING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I THINK THAT THAT DATA WOULD BE REALLY IMPORTANT SO THAT WE CAN ALL HAVE A MORE INFORMED CONVERSATION ABOUT THE ROLE THAT CAMERAS ACTUALLY PLAY WITH RESPECT TO, YOU KNOW, CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS OF SERIOUS VIOLENT CONDUCT.  AND THAT THAT ALSO APPLIES TO THE BPD IS CAMERAS ACROSS THE CITY. SO THANKS FOR THE QUESTION. IT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT ONE. THANK YOU, KATE JILLY HEY, JULIE. HELEN, GOOD TO SEE YOU OR NORA. I HAVE NOT I DO HAVE ONE ADDITIONAL QUESTION SO MY ADDITIONAL QUESTION AND IF THAT'S I DON'T SEE THE CHAIR BACK I'M GOING TO ASK IT I THINK THERE WERE CASES MENTIONED TEN INSTANCES WHERE WERE STUDENTS WHERE THESE CAMERAS WERE USED TO SHARE INFORMATION WITH FEDERAL AUTHORITIES REGARDING A STUDENT WHO WAS AN IMMIGRANT.  IS THAT RIGHT OR DID I GET DID I HEAR THAT INCORRECTLY? WELL, WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO WAS INCIDENTS WHERE NO, I WASN'T TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE CAMERAS AND THIS WAS I SHOULD SAY THESE INCIDENTS WERE ALL PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF THE SURVEILLANCE AND INFORMATION SHARING ORDINANCE. BUT THERE WERE OVER 100 INCIDENTS IN WHICH ACCORDING TO THE IMMIGRATION ATTORNEYS INFORMATION CAME FROM BEEPS THROUGH BEEP TO ICE. I AM NOT AWARE OF WHETHER ANY OF THOSE CASES INVOLVED VIDEO SURVEILLANCE. I SUSPECT NOT.  BUT THERE WAS THAT ONE CASE WHERE WE'RE AWARE THAT A STUDENT WAS DEPORTED FROM AS A RESULT OF INFORMATION SHARING. MR CHAIR, ONE FOLLOW UP TO THAT MAY I WITH WITH THOSE ALL CRIMINAL INSTANCES ONE. DO YOU KNOW NO.  AND IN FACT THE STUDENT WHO WAS DEPORTED WAS NOT INVOLVED IN ANY CRIME.  THE THE BHP'S INCIDENT REPORT THAT WAS SHARED WITH THE PPD THAT WAS EVENTUALLY SHARED WITH ICE MERELY ALLEGED THAT HE WAS A GANG MEMBER. HE WAS PRESENT IN THE CAFETERIA WHEN A FIGHT TOOK PLACE. HE WAS NOT INVOLVED WITH THE FIGHT. SO THAT'S THE INCIDENT THAT JULIA WAS REFERRING TO HAS RECEIVED A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF MEDIA ATTENTION. BUT EVEN SO WE CAN SHARE SOME SOME OF THAT REPORTING WITH YOU. RIGHT. BUT I'M ONLY NOW WITH THE ORDINATES THE PLACE AND IN COMBINATION WITH THAT TRUST ACT WOULD WE EXPECT THE SAME RESULT TODAY? WELL CERTAINLY. SORRY . GO AHEAD, LEON. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE I THINK PART OF THE QUESTION AROUND THE THE UPCOMING MRU IS WHETHER THE MRU IS GOING TO ALIGN WITH THE EXISTING CITY LAW BECAUSE THE LAW VERY CLEARLY STIPULATES THAT THERE ARE VERY LIMITED CIRCUMSTANCES IN WHICH OFFICIALS ARE AUTHORIZED TO SHARE INFORMATION WITH PPD ABOUT STUDENTS. BUT WE AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAD ANYTHING TO ADD.  NO SIMPLY THAT THE ONE INCIDENT THAT YOU REFERRED TO WAS CLEARLY THE WORST OUTCOME WHERE A YOUNG PERSON WITH A DAUGHTER THAT WAS THE ONE THAT WAS INVOLVED THE BREAK AND THE ABSOLUTE THAT THERE WAS A LAWSUIT BY LAWYERS FOR CIVIL RIGHTS WHICH FOUND THAT OVER IN OVER 150 INSTANCES INFORMATION HAD BEEN SHARED PRIOR TO THIS POLICY. SO I JUST WANTED TO DRIVE HOME THE SHEER DEPTH OF INAPPROPRIATE SHARING OF INFORMATION. ALSO THERE IS THE CITY ORDINANCE WHICH IS ALREADY IN PLACE BUT BASED UPON WHAT TRANSPIRED IN BOSTON, OUR LEGISLATURE TOOK NOTICE AND MADE AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER 71, SECTION 37 L WHICH ALSO INCLUDED A NUMBER OF PARAMETERS DESIGNED TO PROTECT STUDENT INFORMATION. SO AS KATE SAID EARLIER, LAW TRUMPS POLICY AND THERE NEEDS TO BE ASSURANCES THAT NOT ONLY THE DISTRICT ORDINANCE BUT OUR STATE LAW IS FOLLOWED BY ANYTHING THAT COMES UP. AND THE LAST THING I WILL ADD WE'VE HEARD REPEATEDLY WELL, BOSTON DOESN'T HAVE SRO SO THE STATE HIM OR YOU DOESN'T APPLY. I WOULD SIMPLY IMPLORE TO SAY THAT THERE IS A STANDARD ACROSS THE COMMONWEALTH OF MASSACHUSETTS GOVERNING M0 USE EVERYWHERE ELSE AND I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT LOOK IF IN THE COMMONWEALTH LARGEST CITY WE IF STUDENTS HAD LESSER PROTECTIONS UNDER THE IMO YOU DO NOT PROVIDE IT IN THE REST OF THE STATE. OKAY UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. I THINK DUE TO THIS PANEL THEY GIVE US A CHAIR FOR ALLOWING ME INDULGE ME WITH MY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. THANK YOU MADAM PRESIDENT.  AND CAN YOU ALSO JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND TITLE FOR FOR THE RECORD PLEASE? THANK YOU. I'M LEON SMITH, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF CITIZENS FOR JUVENILE JUSTICE AND I SUBMITTED WRITTEN TESTIMONY A PURSUANT TO THIS HEARING TODAY. THANK YOU.  GREAT. THANK YOU. I WANT TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC KNOW HOW WE WORK AS WELL. SO. GREAT. THANK YOU.  I WILL ASK I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS AND THEN I'LL SEE IF MY COUNTERPARTIES HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS SO THAT WE CAN GO TO PUBLIC TESTIMONY.  MY FIRST QUESTION IS TO NORA NORA NORA, FIRST THANK YOU FOR BEING A TEACHER AND FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DO.  YOU KNOW I'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING ABLE TO GO TO SO MANY HIGH SCHOOLS AND SCHOOLS ACROSS THE CITY IN MY FIRST YEAR RIGHT NOW AS I WAS ABOUT CITY COUNCIL AND YOU KNOW I'M THE CHAIR OF EDUCATION AND I'M ALSO THE CHAIR OF PUBLIC SAFETY AND YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I TALK TO STUDENTS ABOUT PARTICULARLY MIDDLE SCHOOL STUDENTS AND HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS, YOU KNOW, IS ABOUT THE PUBLIC SAFETY CONCERNS IN THEIR SCHOOLS. DO THEY FEEL SAFE?  AND YOU KNOW, I WON'T NAME YOU KNOW, THE SCHOOL THAT I WAS AT BUT I REMEMBER THIS PARTICULAR CLASSROOM AND YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE STUDENTS WERE TALKING TO ME ABOUT HOW THEY DON'T FEEL SAFE, HOW YOU KNOW, I DON'T ASK A CONVERSATIONAL YOU KNOW WHAT WHERE THINGS THAT WILL MAKE YOU FEEL MORE SAFE. AND THE BIG THING WAS STUDENTS YOU KNOW, BLACK AND BROWN STUDENTS, IMMIGRANT STUDENTS,  YOU KNOW, ASKING FOR MORE CAMERAS. I'M NOT SAYING THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S CITY WIDE. THIS IS A PARTICULAR CLASSROOM THAT I WAS IN BUT IT WAS THE MAJORITY OF THE CLASSROOM WAS WAS ASKING FOR MORE CAMERAS AND YOU KNOW, JUST WANT TO KNOW FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE AS A TEACHER, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ON THE GROUND TALKING TO STUDENTS EVERY DAY.  HAVE YOU HAD ANY OF THOSE INTERACTIONS OR CONVERSATIONS WITH YOUR STUDENTS OR JUST GENERALLY YOU KNOW, HOW HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH YOUR STUDENTS GONE ABOUT THEIR USAGE OF CAMERA AND HOW THEY MAKE IT? IT MAKES THEM FEEL SAFE OR NOT SAFE?  YEAH. I MEAN I HAVEN'T HAD SPECIFIC ONES LIKE I CAN'T THINK OF A SPECIFIC ONE ABOUT CAMERAS. I DO THINK THAT SOMETIMES STUDENTS IT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE THAT STUDENTS WILL SAY I THINK THIS AND WHEN YOU WERE SAYING OH LIKE WE THEN SAY LIKE OH WHY DO YOU THINK CAMERAS WILL HOW DO YOU THINK YOU'LL MAKE YOU FEEL SAFER? YOU KIND OF ACTUALLY GET TO LIKE UNDERLYING WHAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR AND SOMETIMES THAT LIKE IS NOT ACTUALLY GOING TO BE SOLVED BY CAMERA. THE SILLY CAMERAS IS SOMETHING THAT. SO LIKE I THINK WE'VE FELT WE HAD AN INCIDENT AT SCHOOL WHEN THEY SAID WE SHOULD YOU KNOW LIKE WHEN STUDENTS WOULDN'T ACTUALLY TALK TO STUDENTS ABOUT LIKE WHAT WOULD HAVE HAD PREVENTED THAT INCIDENT FROM HAPPENING THEIR LIKE INITIAL REACTION OF WHAT THEY THOUGHT WE SHOULD HAVE DID NOT ACTUALLY ALIGN WITH THEIR END RESULT. AND SO I GUESS LIKE I CAN'T THINK OF A TIME WHEN I HAVE TALKED TO STUDENTS ABOUT CAMERAS I THINK I HAVE AND WHEN YOU ACTUALLY LIKE TALK SOMETIMES IT'S LIKE OH LIKE WHAT ARE YOU ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR?  AND SOMETIMES AND I THINK OFTEN LIKE THEY WANT THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT OH LIKE A FIGHT HAPPENING OR THEY'RE WORRIED ABOUT YOU KNOW, IN LIKE ACTUALLY WHAT CAMERAS DON'T STOP FIGHTS, RIGHT? HAVING TRUSTED ADULTS OR HAVING RESTORATIVE JUSTICE PROCESSES LIKE THOSE COULDN'T CREATE COMMUNITIES WITH WITHOUT WITHOUT FIGHTS. AND SO WHEN YOU ACTUALLY LIKE I THINK I MEAN TEENAGERS ARE WONDERFUL. I LOVE WORKING WITH TEENAGERS.  I WORK WITH 11TH AND 12TH GRADERS AND I THINK WHAT ONE THING I LOVE ABOUT THEM IS THAT THEY'RE LIKE THEY'RE REALLY CURIOUS AND YOU CAN HAVE REALLY THOUGHTFUL DISCUSSIONS. AND SO LIKE I WOULD BE CURIOUS OF LIKE IF YOU SAY LIKE WHY DO YOU THINK WE NEED MORE CAMERAS? LIKE WHAT ARE THEY ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR?  ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT RESPONSE THAT WE WOULD ALSO BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO THAT. YES. SO COUNSELOR RESPONDING TO YOUR QUESTION BUT ALSO TYING BACK INTO COUNCILOR WEBBER'S QUESTION EARLIER WE RELEASED A REPORT AROUND SCHOOL HARDENING POLICIES FOCUSED ON METAL DETECTORS LAST YEAR WHICH I'LL BE HAPPY TO SHARE WITH ALL MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL WITHIN IT WE CITE A NATIONAL LEADER IN SCHOOL SAFETY THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE NATIONAL SCHOOL SAFETY AND SECURITY SERVICES ORGANIZATION AND HE CALLS CAMERAS METAL DETECTORS THIS RELIANCE ON TECHNOLOGY THE WOW OVER THE HOW AND HE COINED THE TERM SECURITY THEATER BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE DO FEEL AFRAID AND YOU PUT SOMETHING PHYSICAL CONCRETE THAT PEOPLE LOOK IN LOOK AT AND SEE THEY MAY INITIALLY THINK THAT THAT THING WILL PROVIDE MORE SAFETY BUT IT'S CRITICAL TO LOOK AND EVALUATE AND DETERMINE IF THERE'S ACTUAL EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE THAT THOSE THINGS DO IN FACT INCREASE SAFETY AND WHAT THE RESEARCH WE PRODUCED FOUND MULTIPLE STUDIES LOOKING AT TEN YEARS AND 15 YEARS WERE THAT THERE WAS INSUFFICIENT EVIDENCE TO SHOW, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT METAL DETECTORS ACTUALLY INCREASED SAFETY.  IT CREATED A NUMBER OF ISSUES FROM STUDENTS BEING LATE TO FIRST PERIOD AND MISSING INSTRUCTIONAL TIME. SOME STUDENTS FEELING LESS SAFE BUT THERE WAS NOTHING SHOWING THAT IT ACTUALLY DID DESPITE THE FACT THAT IT CREATED THAT INITIAL FEELING THAT OH THAT BEING THERE THAT I CAN SEE MAY END UP MAKING ME SAFER. SO I TELL THAT STORY AND I SAFE THE RESEARCH TO SAY THERE ARE THINGS THAT MAY SEEM LIKE A GOOD IDEA TO SOMEONE WHO DOES FEEL UNSAFE BUT IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO JUST MAKE SOMEONE THINK SOMETHING MIGHT INCREASE SAFETY. WE ALWAYS HAVE TO LOOK AT DATA AND LOOK AT THE RESEARCH TO DETERMINE IF THERE'S AN ACTUAL GROUNDING TO SOMETHING WILL INCREASE SAFETY. I'LL ALSO ADD THIS IN WHEN STUDENTS IF STUDENTS ARE NOTIFIED ABOUT NEW CAMERA PLACEMENTS IT'S ALWAYS YOU KNOW THEY'RE BEING TOLD EXPLICITLY THAT IT'S FOR THEIR SAFETY. RIGHT. AND SO THAT IS THE NARRATIVE THAT THEY'RE BEING ASKED TO,  YOU KNOW, CRITICALLY ENGAGE WITH OR NOT AND WHICH IS WHY I THINK THAT HAVING EDUCATORS LIKE NORA WHO ARE WILLING TO,  YOU KNOW, CULTIVATE THAT ENGAGEMENT AND THAT CONVERSATION IS SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE I THINK THAT AS WELL THE THE IMPLICIT NARRATIVE IS THAT IF THREATS THAT THE CAMERAS ARE PURPORTING TO IDENTIFY ARE THE STUDENTS THEMSELVES AND SO NOW YOU KNOW, EVEN IF THEY MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO TO EXPLICITLY MAKE THAT CONNECTION, THERE IS AN IMPLICIT DISTRUST THAT IS BEING CULTIVATED AMONG STUDENTS BETWEEN OTHER STUDENTS WHERE THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, EITHER AFRAID OF FELLOW STUDENTS IF NOT, YOU KNOW, COMING TO THE REALIZATION THAT THE CAMERAS ARE BEING TURNED IN FACT ON THEMSELVES. AND I THINK THAT THAT IS CERTAINLY YOU KNOW, IN MY EXPERIENCES CONVERSING WITH YOUNG PEOPLE AROUND SCHOOL SAFETY ISSUES, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S NOT AN UNCOMMON SORT OF PATTERN FOR THE CONVERSATION TO TAKE. AND SO I THINK IT'S ALSO REALLY IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, WE WHEN WE'RE TALKING TO STUDENTS GIVING SPACE FOR THAT CRITICAL ENGAGEMENT AND AND REALLY GETTING TO THE ROOT OF WHERE THEY'RE PERCEIVED ON SAFETY LIES SO WE CAN DIRECT WE CAN DIRECTLY ADDRESS THOSE ROOT CAUSES ALSO.  THANK YOU. I HAVE ABOUT A MINUTE LEFT. I WANT TO ASK A FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO A QUESTION EARLIER AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, YOU KIND OF SPOKE TO IT. I THINK COUNCILOR WEBER WAS ASKING MAYBE YOU KNOW, IF NOT CAMERAS THEN WHAT? RIGHT. AND YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, RESTORATIVE JUSTICE TRUST WITHIN, YOU KNOW, TRUSTED ADULTS IN CREATING THAT COMMUNITY WITHIN OUR SCHOOLS, YOU KNOW, BUT EARLIER AND THEN AND OUR PANEL DISCUSSED ABOUT THE INTENTION BEHIND THIS IS TO REALLY USE IT AFTER THE FACT BY TO TO REPORT INCIDENTS OR TO TO REVIEW INCIDENTS.  DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION IN TERMS OF LIKE IF WE DON'T HAVE CAMERAS LET'S SAY RIGHT LIKE IF WE DON'T HAVE CAMERAS IN OUR SCHOOLS, DO YOU HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATION AS TO THEN YOU KNOW WHAT WE DO AFTER THE FACT AFTER THE FACT OF INCIDENTS IF WE DON'T HAVE IF WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO CAMERAS?  YEAH, I MEAN IT DOESN'T SEEM TO ME THAT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT THERE'S THIS NO I MEAN THAT TO SAY THERE YOU KNOW THAT'S A THAT'S ALL THAT ARE AT THE TABLE. I MEAN WHAT WILL.  YEAH. YEAH SO THE SAME TYPES OF INVESTIGATORY PROCEDURES THAT APPLY IN ANY SITUATION WHEN I MEAN I ASSUME THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO LIKE YOU KNOW LIKE A SERIOUS INCIDENT OF VIOLENCE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT RIGHT. YEAH. SO I MEAN IT WOULD BE THE SAME SORT OF INVESTIGATORY PROCEDURES THAT ARE PRESENT IN ANY CASE WHEN THERE ISN'T CAMERAS AROUND DOCUMENTING THE INCIDENT WHICH IS A LOT OF THE TIME. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, ANY ANY TIME THERE'S AN INCIDENT OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT TAKES PLACE INSIDE A HOME, YOU KNOW, USUALLY THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE SURVEILLANCE VIDEO OF THAT. SO AND THERE ARE FREQUENTLY CASES WHERE THERE IS STREET VIOLENCE OUT IN PUBLIC WHERE THERE'S NO VIDEO OF THE INCIDENT. SO YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE TAKING WITNESS STATEMENTS.  IT WOULD INVOLVE, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY THE REVIEW OF OTHER SURVEILLANCE DATA LIKE INFORMATION FROM CELL PHONES THAT DOCUMENT PEOPLE'S PHYSICAL LOCATIONS. SO THERE IS ACTUALLY A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF OTHER INFORMATION THAT'S AVAILABLE TO THE POLICE EVEN WHEN SURVEILLANCE CAMERA DATA IS NOT PRESENT.  OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, PHYSICAL EVIDENCE IS A BIG PART OF THAT RIGHT.  BUT CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, WITNESSES OR OTHER OTHER TYPES OF SURVEILLANCE INFORMATION COMING FROM PHONES AND OTHER DEVICES AND AND PHYSICAL FORENSIC INFORMATION OFTEN.  THANK YOU. WHAT I LIKE TO GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO FOR A SECOND ROUND OF QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY HOWSOEVER THEY HAVE BEFORE YOU HAVE ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS FOR THIS PANEL.  THANK YOU.  I GUESS IN THAT IT'S MORE OF JUST YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE ANY CLOSING REMARKS FOR US, YOU KNOW, HAVING DONE THE THE WRITTEN POLICY TODAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT SHOULD WE BE THINKING ABOUT AND I GUESS WE IN TERMS OF THE THERE AUDIT I JULIE SANTOS DISCUSS WHAT YOU KNOW IS THE TO THOSE THINGS ARE THEY'RE NOT PART OF OUR OR YOU KNOW ALREADY OR YOU KNOW SURVEILLANCE POLICIES OR WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION OR IS THAT I GUESS THAT'S A REAL QUESTION SO I I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THIS AUDIT OR IS THAT ENTIRELY NEW OR ARE WE EXPECTED TO HAVE THAT INFORMATION THROUGH OUR SURVEILLANCE HEARINGS?  WELL, I CAN SPEAK TO THAT AS AN INITIAL MATTER. AND JULIE, IF YOU WANT TO JUMP IN AFTERWARDS.  SO YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS THAT I WOULD HAVE WITH RESPECT TO THE EXISTING POLICY IS RELATES TO THE YOU KNOW, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY THE POSSIBILITY OF A MEANINGFUL AUDIT. SO IN THE POLICY THERE'S A STATEMENT THAT EVERY TIME A CAMERA ANY ANY KIND OF CAMERA FOOTAGE IS IS ACCESSED BY ANYONE WITHIN BEEPS THE SYSTEM CREATES AN AUTOMATIC LOG OF THAT ACCESS AND THAT'S TYPICAL FOR MOST OF THESE SYSTEMS I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT BEEPS ADD IF IT'S NOT ALREADY THE EXISTING PRACTICE TO THE POLICY A STIPULATION THAT WHEN THE CAMERAS ARE ACCESSED THERE'S A NOTE ABOUT WHY AND WHO AND NOT NOT NOT JUST WHO ACCESS THE SYSTEM BUT THE PURPOSE FOR THE ACCESS RIGHT.  SO WHETHER THAT'S YOU KNOW SOMEONE LOGGING ON TO VIEW AN INCIDENT IN REAL TIME OR SOMEONE LOGGING INTO THE SYSTEM TO ACCESS HISTORICAL DATA, MY UNDERSTANDING AT THESE IS THAT THESE SYSTEMS TYPICALLY CREATE METADATA FILES THAT SHOW WHO ACCESS THE DATA FROM WHAT CAMERA AT WHAT TIME ON WHAT DATE. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THERE BE AN ADDITIONAL FIELD AS WELL THAT THAT YOU KNOW THE PERSON ACCESSING THE FOOTAGE IS REQUIRED TO WRITE WHY THEY'RE ACCESSING THE FOOTAGE SO YOU KNOW AN EXAMPLE WOULD BE IF A PRINCIPAL IS TAKING A LOOK AT FROM A HALLWAY TO INVESTIGATE AS THE PREVIOUS EXAMPLE NOTED A FIGHT THAT THAT THAT BE DOCUMENTED RIGHT AND THAT I THINK GOES A LONG WAY TOWARDS ASSURING THE COMMUNITY THAT THE POLICIES ARE BEING FOLLOWED BE THAT NO ONE HAS INAPPROPRIATELY ACCESS CAMERA FOOTAGE FOR PURPOSES THAT ARE NOT AUTHORIZED BY THE POLICY AND SEE THAT YOU KNOW SOMETHING THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO GET INTO TONIGHT BUT I THINK IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND SPEAKS TO YOUR LARGER QUESTION ABOUT RECOMMENDATIONS FOR STRENGTHENING THE POLICY OR YOU KNOW, CLARIFYING IT A LITTLE BIT IS BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT THE PURPOSE LIMITATIONS FOR THE USE OF THE CAMERAS. SO FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S THIS THING THAT THOSE OF US IN THE PRIVACY COMMUNITY TALK ABOUT A LOT CALLED SURVEILLANCE MISSION CREEP AND THAT IS YOU WE HAVE THESE CAMERAS. THEY'VE BEEN INSTALLED WELL,  YOU KNOW, INITIALLY WE GOT THEM BECAUSE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE WAS A VIOLENT INCIDENT WE COULD YOU KNOW, SEE AFTER THE FACT WHAT HAPPENED.  BUT YOU KNOW, SINCE THE CAMERAS ARE THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A STUDENT WALKOUT TODAY. WELL, YOU KNOW, MIGHT BE WORTH SEEING WHICH STUDENTS PARTICIPATE IN IT AND YOU KNOW, DOCUMENTING NOT FOR DISCIPLINARY PURPOSES OR TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO THE LEADER OF THE STUDENT DEMONSTRATION WAS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT'S THE TYPE OF THING THAT IN OUR VIEW AT THE ACLU SHOULD NOT BE AN AUTHORIZED PURPOSE FOR THE USE OF THE CAMERAS.  AND SO YOU KNOW, TO THE DEGREE POSSIBLE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE POLICY TO OUTLINE NOT JUST THE SITUATIONS IN WHICH THE CAMERAS WILL BE USED AND ACCESS BUT ALSO THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE THE CAMERAS WILL NOT BE USED AND WILL NOT BE ACCESSED. AND SO SOMETHING LIKE YOU KNOW ,STUDENT FIRST AMENDMENT EXPRESSION, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY EVEN LIKE MINOR VANDALISM IN HALLWAYS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT COULD BE ON THE LIST OF THINGS THAT THE VP'S ADMINISTRATORS MAKE A DECISION YOU KNOW, THE CAMERAS WILL NOT BE USED FOR. THANKS FOR THE QUESTION.  OKAY. AND THEN JUST LASTLY, I MEAN IN TERMS OF DISTRIBUTION OF THE CAMERAS, I MEAN DO WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT WHERE YOU KNOW,  WHERE THE CAMPS LIKE YOU KNOW WHERE THE CAMERAS ONLY IN CERTAIN SCHOOLS AND AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE FORCED TO SAY I HAVE NO I JUST I DON'T KNOW. DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT WHERE THE CAMERAS ARE ACROSS THE CITY?  I MEAN WE YEAH, THANKS FOR THE QUESTION. CLOSER WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE CAMERAS ARE AND WE'VE BEEN PRETTY EXPLICITLY TOLD THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO FIND OUT SO . SO IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION NOT KNOWING. BUT WE CAN SAY THAT, YOU KNOW,  IF YOU LOOK AT SURVEILLANCE GENERALLY WHAT WE TO SEE IS DISPROPORTIONATE LEVELS OF SURVEILLANCE THAT'S TARGETING BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE AND COMMUNITIES AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN OPEN QUESTION. I'VE HEARD, YOU KNOW, COUNCILOR SANTANA SPEAK TO, YOU KNOW, ANECDOTAL INFORMATION THAT HE'S HEARD FROM BLACK AND BROWN STUDENTS THEMSELVES, YOU KNOW, DESIROUS OF MORE SURVEILLANCE.  CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, AS COUNCIL PRESIDENT RUTHY LOUIJEUNE SAID, YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE ALSO BEEN COMMENTS IN THE PAST ABOUT THAT BEING A SENTIMENT THAT'S EXPRESSED MORE BROADLY IN BLACK AND BROWN COMMUNITIES IN BOSTON AND ELSEWHERE. BUT THAT IS THAT IS AN ISSUE THAT THE CITY DEALS WITH WITH RESPECT TO THE BPD CAMERAS FOR EXAMPLE, THAT THEY ARE DISPROPORTIONATELY IN DORCHESTER, ROXBURY, MATTAPAN IN THE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS OF THE CITY AND NOT VERY MANY CAMERAS IN WEST ROXBURY, FOR EXAMPLE, A MUCH WIDER PART OF THE CITY. SO YEAH, THOSE TYPES OF RACIAL DISPARITIES ARE REAL CONCERNS FOR THE CIVIL RIGHTS AND CIVIL LIBERTIES COMMUNITY.  AND YOU KNOW, AGAIN I THINK THIS YOU KNOW THE LOCATIONS OF THE CAMERAS AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN TOLD WE'RE NOT PRIVILEGED TO ACCESS THAT INFORMATION. BUT I WILL JUST SAY THAT THE THAT TO NORAH'S POINT, YOU KNOW, THE CAMERAS THEMSELVES UNLESS THERE ARE COVERT CAMERAS IN BEEPERS WHICH I SUSPECT THERE ARE ARE NOT ARE VISIBLE TO THE NAKED EYE AND SO THE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THOSE SCHOOLS EVERY THE STUDENTS, THE TEACHERS, THE STAFF THEY CAN SEE THE CAMERAS AND THEY THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE THERE. SO YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, FOLKS WITHIN THE SCHOOLS KNOWING THAT THE CAMERAS ARE THERE IS MAYBE DIFFERENT FROM PUTTING UP A MAP OF WHERE ALL THE CAMERAS ARE ON THE INTERNET SO THAT ANYBODY IN THE WORLD CAN ACCESS IT. BUT I JUST WANT BE CLEAR THAT THAT THEY ARE VISIBLE.  OKAY. I'M SORRY . THE OTHER OH, NO. MY APOLOGY IS MADE. I HAVE BEEN HAVING TECHNICAL CONNECTION ISSUES AND SO LIKE IT SEEMS THAT EVERY TIME I'M ABOUT TO ANSWER A QUESTION I GET KNOCKED OUT OF THE ZOOM. I WANTED TO RESPOND TO I BELIEVE THE PREVIOUS QUESTION AROUND THE AUDITS AND JUST ECHO WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS AROUND PROVIDING A BRIEF DESCRIPTION AS TO WHY THESE CAMERAS NEED TO BE ACCESSED. I THINK THAT THERE'S ALSO A LARGER POINT TO BE MADE HERE AROUND TRANSPARENCY BETWEEN PEACE LEADERSHIP AND THE BROADER COMMUNITY. I THINK THAT YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LOST ON ME THAT WE ARE FINALLY SEEING THIS POLICY TODAY BECAUSE YOU KNOW, ON THE DAY OF A CITY COUNCIL HEARING AND I WONDER WHY THAT POLICY WAS NOT MADE AVAILABLE EARLIER AND CIRCULATED TO THE COMMUNITY EARLIER.  AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVING AN AUDIT IS GOING TO REVEAL HAVING AN AUDIT AND A CONCOMITANT COMMUNITY SPACE FOR COLLECTING FEEDBACK FROM THIS DATA IS QUITE IMPORTANT. I THINK THAT YOU KNOW, IF IF FAMILIES KNEW THE INFORMATION THAT THE MOST COMMON REASON FOR ACCESSING CAMERAS WERE FOR TRAFFIC INCIDENTS THEN THAT MIGHT REALLY, YOU KNOW, CHANGE THEIR PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT CAMERAS ARE DOING IN OUR SCHOOLS FOR STUDENT SAFETY. AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THAT MIGHT ALSO INFORM THEIR OPINIONS ON THE SCHOOL BUDGET.  I UNDERSTAND THAT QUITE A LARGE AMOUNT IS BEING ALLOCATED FOR SURVEILLANCE GIRLS OPEN AND I THINK THAT THAT IS A CONVERSATION THAT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR FAMILIES, STUDENTS AND THE LARGER COMMUNITY TO BE AWARE OF AND TO BE A PART OF . AND SO YEAH, I WOULD I WOULD ALSO JUST LIKE TO EMPHASIZE THE TRANSPARENCY ISSUE AND WHY YOU KNOW, IT'S IF WE ARE GOING TO IF THESE TECHNOLOGIES ARE GOING TO BE REMAINING WITHIN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM THERE NEEDS TO BE A, YOU KNOW, REAL YOU KNOW THERE NEEDS TO BE REAL SPACE FOR TRANSPARENCY AND FEEDBACK.  THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU, CHAIR. I APPRECIATE IT.  AND WHATSOEVER COUNCIL PRESIDENT YOU EVER.  THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS.  I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE ADMIN FOR BEING HERE TO THIS REALLY GREAT PANEL.  I DIDN'T THINK THAT I WAS GOING TO BE ABLE TO STAY ON FOR THE DAY HERE BUT I'M REALLY GLAD THAT I DID. THERE ARE NOT ENOUGH HOURS OF THE DAY FOR THE ISSUES THAT COME UP BUT THERE'S SO MUCH THAT WE CAN LEARN FROM EACH OTHER DEPENDING ON HOW HONEST WE WANT TO BE AND HOW MUCH YOU WANT TO HOW DEEPLY WE WANT TO BE OPEN AND HAVE AN HONEST DIALOG WITH COMMUNITY. SO I JUST REALLY APPRECIATED THIS HEARING IN SO MANY WAYS AND WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR THE ADVOCACY WORK THAT YOU DO, HOW MUCH YOU SAID TO WHAT SAFETY REALLY MEANS FOR OUR COMMUNITIES AND FOR OUR KIDS. AND I'M JUST I'M ENCOURAGED BY THIS EVEN THOUGH THE ISSUES ARE REALLY DIFFICULT SO BIG YOU THINK, MR CHAIR, FOR HOLDING THIS HEARING AND FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK ALONGSIDE THE CO-SPONSORS HERE? COUNCILOR WEBER, THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU BRING TO THE COUNCIL COUNCIL WEBER AND CAPTAIN ED, THANK YOU FROM THE PRESIDENT.  I I'M SORRY BUT DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I DO NOT JUST WANT THANK THE PANELISTS FOR FOR THEIR TESTIMONY AND I WANT TO THANK DPS FOR HER COMING AND AND DISCUSSING THIS WITH US AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING ON IT IN THE FUTURE AND THANK YOU TO THE CHAIR FOR HIGHLIGHTING THIS ISSUE. THANK YOU TO THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT FOR STICKING AROUND THIS LONG.  AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT AND WORTHWHILE THING TO TO LOOK AT.  I LOOK FORWARD TO BEING PART OF THE CONVERSATION THE FUTURE AND THANK YOU TO THE CENTRAL STAFF BECAUSE IT'S AFTER SIX AND THERE'S REALLY, YOU KNOW, HELPING US OUT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. WE DO STILL HAVE PUBLIC TESTIMONY FOR THOSE WHO HAVE SIGNED UP FOR BEFORE. THAT IS WHEN I REALLY THINK THIS PANEL GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO THIS PANEL FOR HAVING CLOSING REMARKS THAT YOU ALL MAY HAVE.  I WOULD JUST AGAIN SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYONE AND SAY THAT,  YOU KNOW, WHILE THE ACLU POSITION IS THAT WE DO NOT SUPPORT THE USE OF SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS IN SCHOOLS, WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF CAMERAS ARE GOING TO BE USED,  IF THERE'S A PUBLIC POLICY DECISION THAT'S MADE BY STAFF,  BY THE SCHOOL COMMUNITY, BY THE COUNCIL TO CONTINUE TO INVEST IN SURVEILLANCE IN SCHOOLS AND EXPAND THE USE OF CAMERAS THAT WE'RE OPEN TO WORKING WITH YOU TO STRENGTHEN THE POLICY BECAUSE AS I SAID BEFORE, WE BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE SOME AREAS WHERE THE POLICY OUGHT TO BE STRENGTHENED CLARIFIED.  THANK YOU SO MUCH CHAIR, FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS AND VICE CHAIR.  YES, THANK YOU CHAIR AND VICE CHAIR AND THE MEMBERS OF THE BOSTON CITY COUNCIL FROM CITIZENS FOR JUVENILE JUSTICE THE OFFICE. WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY. WE'RE VERY ENCOURAGED BY THE QUESTIONS EVEN RELATING TO SURVEILLANCE ON THE BROADER QUESTION OF SCHOOL SAFETY. I KNOW THAT YOU KNOW,  COUNCILOR RUBBER BROUGHT A METAL DETECTOR.  THERE'S WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT A.U. IN A PREVIOUS PANEL AND I JUST WANT TO EXTEND THE INVITATION TO EACH CITY COUNCIL MEMBER THAT WE ARE INTERESTED IN MEETING WITH YOU TO DISCUSS THE OF AND ADVOCACY WE'VE DONE AROUND SCHOOL HARDENING POLICIES AND YES,  THANK YOU AGAIN AND ALSO THANK YOU FOR SHARING WITH OUR TECHNICAL ISSUES AND FOR ALLOWING LEON TO ALSO BRIEFLY JUMP ON THE PANEL SO WELL APPRECIATIVE.  YEAH, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR INCLUDING ME AND BEING THOUGHTFUL ABOUT THIS ISSUE.  THANK YOU ALL THREE. REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR ADVOCACY AND THE WORK THAT YOU ALL DO. I WILL DEFINITELY BE FOLLOWING UP AND I DEFINITELY WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON SOME OF THAT POLICY LANGUAGE AND SEE HOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.  SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR THREE. YOU ARE DISMISSED FROM THIS PANEL. NOW WE WERE GOING TO MOVE OVER TO PUBLIC TESTIMONY WHEN I LOOK OVER AT OUR CENTRAL STAFF TO SEE IF WE HAVE ANY ANYONE STILL WAITING. MR CHAIR?  YES, WE HAVE THREE PEOPLE. I'M GOING TO MOVE THEM OVER RIGHT NOW. GREAT. SO I THINK WE HAVE SKYE RAWLINS, GEORGE LEE AND KRISTEN WARD IN THAT ORDER ONCE THEY GET ONTO THIS SIDE YOU WILL HAVE 2 MINUTES TO GIVE YOUR REMARKS AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND AFFILIATE FOR THE RECORD.  GREAT. SO WE HAVE SKYE RAWLINGS ON THE LINE. YES, I'M HERE. ALL RIGHT. YOU HAVE 2 MINUTES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY.  MY NAME IS SKYE RAWLINS. I LIVE IN DORCHESTER AND I'M A GRADUATE OF THE BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM AND I'M CURRENTLY YOUTH WORKER. I'M HERE TODAY TO SPEAK AGAINST THE $30 MILLION INVESTMENT IN SURVEILLANCE.  ALTHOUGH SOME OF THIS FUNDING HAS ALREADY BEEN SPENT, I REALLY URGE THIS COMMITTEE TO RECONSIDER SUCH A MASSIVE INVESTMENT IN SCHOOL SURVEILLANCE EVEN THIS EXTENSIVE HEARING. THERE'S STILL SIGNIFICANT LACK OF TRANSPARENT THE AROUND HOW THE CAMERAS AND BEEPS WILL BE USED. EARLIER IN THE HEARING DR. DE PINA NOTED THAT WHEN THE BPD REQUEST FOOTAGE BEEPS TYPICALLY COMPLIES. AFTER HEARING HEARING FROM JULIE SANTOS WE NOW KNOW THAT THERE ARE OVER 135 INSTANCES OF THE VPD SHARING THEIR INFORMATION WITH ICE AND THEN ALSO ONCE DPD HAS THIS INFORMATION WHO ENSURES IT WON'T BE SHARED WITH AGENCIES LIKE THE BOSTON REGIONAL INTELLIGENCE UNDER WHICH BPD HAS CONSISTENTLY GIVEN INFORMATION TO IN THE PAST?  THERE ARE CRITICAL QUESTIONS LIKE THESE THAT REMAIN UNANSWERED AND THEY PARTICULARLY LEAVE MARGINALIZED STUDENTS VULNERABLE TO BREACHES OF PRIVACY.  BEYOND TRANSPARENCY THOUGH, THERE'S ALSO THE ISSUE OF EFFECTIVENESS.  AS STATED EARLIER, THE MAJORITY OF THE MOST DEADLY SCHOOL VIOLENCE OCCURS IN SCHOOLS EQUIPPED WITH SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS ARE REACTIONARY. THEY DOCUMENT INCIDENTS BUT DO VERY LITTLE TO PREVENT THEM. EARLIER ON THE PANEL ON THE BPF PANEL, BRIAN FORD NOTED THAT CERTAIN AREAS IN WILL HAVE A HIGHER CONCENTRATION OF CAMERAS INSTALLED IN THEIR SCHOOLS BUT SAID THAT HE WOULDN'T ELABORATE ON ON THIS FOR PRIVACY REASONS . OFTEN LOW INCOME STUDENTS OF COLOR UNDOCUMENTED YOUTH,  YOUTHS AND THOSE WITH DISABILITIES DISPROPORTIONATELY CONSTITUTE THE DEMOGRAPHIC SUBJECT TO THE SURVEILLANCE WHICH EXACERBATES PREEXISTING SYSTEMIC INEQUITIES. THIS INITIATIVE ALSO REPRESENTS A GROSS MISALLOCATION OF RESOURCES IN A DISTRICT WHERE MANY CLASSROOMS LACK ADEQUATE BOOKS, SUITABLE FACILITIES AND MENTAL HEALTH SUPPORT. WHY IN THE WORLD ARE PRIORITIZING 30 MILLION FOR UNPROVEN TECHNOLOGY IF SAFETY IS TRULY THE GOAL, WE SHOULD BE INVESTING IN WHAT WE KNOW WORKS WHAT STUDIES SAY WORKS WHICH ARE TRUSTED COUNSELORS SMALLER CLASS SIZES, WELL-RESOURCED TEACHERS, MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES, RESTORATIVE JUSTICE PRACTICES AND PROGRAMS THAT BUILD COMMUNITY AND NOT SURVEILLANCE.  FINALLY WE HAVE TO START AND WE HAVE TO REJECT THE FEARMONGER SAYING THAT FRAME SURVEILLANCE AS THE ONLY OR EVEN THE PRIMARY PATH TO SAFETY. STUDENTS AND PARENTS ARE TOO OFTEN PRESENTED WITH A FALSE DILEMMA CAMERAS OR TRAGEDY. WE NEED REAL PUBLIC EDUCATION ABOUT THE OPTIONS THAT EXIST OUTSIDE OF SURVEILLANCE. WHEN WE NEED TO INVEST IN STUDENT AGENCY AND THAT MEANS PROVIDING THEM INFORMATION ON THE UNDERLYING ISSUES THAT THEY WANT SOLUTION FOR.  TRUE SAFETY COMES FROM CREATING ENVIRONMENTS WHERE STUDENTS FEEL VALUED AND SUPPORTED AND EMPOWERED AND NOT WATCHED. THANK YOU.  THANK YOU SO MUCH AND APPRECIATE YOUR TESTIMONY. NEXT WE HAVE CHRIS LORD ON THE GROUND HERE. GEORGE LEE, IF YOU ARE ON THE AIR I WANT TO GIVE THE PUBLIC TESTIMONY. PLEASE ACCEPT THE INVITATION.  WE HAVE CHRIS LORD WITH US.  CHRIS LORD OKAY.  HELLO, VARIABLE. FOR THE RECORD IT'S CHRISTIAN.  HELLO.  WHERE I THINK MY I CAN'T HEAR ANYONE ON.  CAN YOU HEAR US? OH OKAY. NOW I CAN HEAR YOU BEING WITH YOU. HAVE YOU HEARD?  HELLO. MY NAME IS CHRISTIAN.  I'M CURRENTLY ACTUALLY IN SCHOOL SO THIS AFFECTS ME MORE THAN OTHERS BECAUSE THIS IS ABOUT SCHOOLS I'M CURRENTLY IN SNOWED IN AND I SAY LIKE THE THE 30 MILLION IS A BIG PRICE FOR CAMERAS WHEN IT CAN BE USED FOR OTHER THINGS SUCH AS LIKE CLEANING OR FIXING THE SCHOOLS. UM THE OTHER THING ABOUT CAMERAS IS THEY DON'T STOP ANYTHING THEY ONLY HELP AFTERWARDS LIKE THEY DON'T EVEN THEY DON'T STOP FIGHTS.  THEY DON'T MAKE PEOPLE FEEL SAFE WHEN WHEN I'M YOU SEE EVERYONE WELL AT LEAST IN MY SCHOOL EVERYONE AVOIDS THE CAMERAS BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE TO BE SEEN REALLY AND THEY STAY OUTSIDE WHILE WE WE GET TO GO OUT OF CAMPUS SO UM, MOST PEOPLE IF THEY'RE SKIPPING OR DOING SOMETHING ELSE THEY WOULD STAY OUTSIDE BECAUSE THEY DON'T FEEL SAFER INSIDE.  CAMERAS DON'T LIKE STAND IN FRONT OF PEOPLE WHEN THEY FIGHT OR MAKE A SITUATION BETTER.  AS I WAS SAYING BEFORE FOR CLEANER SCHOOLS OR TO FIX THINGS IN THE SCHOOLS WOULD BE BETTER FOR THIS TYPE OF MONEY. UM LIKE FOR EXAMPLE MY SCHOOL HAD A HEATING PROBLEM WHERE THE HEATER LIKE WAS BLASTED LIKE IT WOULD BE TOO HOT OR IT WOULD HAVE TO BE OFF.  UM, AND I SEE OFTEN THAT UM THINGS LIKE CAMERAS GET PRIORITIZED OVER OTHER THINGS SUCH AS FIXING SCHOOL RESOURCES OR CLEANING THE SCHOOL UM, EVEN THOUGH THE CAMERAS DON'T STOP MUCH THINGS FROM HAPPENING THAT IS ALL.  APPRECIATE YOUR JOINING US TODAY. NEXT UP WE HAVE GEORGE LI AND THEN WE HAVE FERMIN GARCIA VIRTUALLY YOU HAVE TO.  HELLO. MY NAME IS GEORGE LI. I'M AN ORGANIZER WITH YOUTH JUSTICE AND POWER UNION. MY APOLOGIES. I WAS IN HERE A COUPLE OF MINUTES AGO. I WAS ACTUALLY TALKING WITH THE YOUNG PERSON ABOUT A KIND OF HARD SITUATION THAT JUST CAME UP THIS AFTERNOON.  BUT I GUESS THAT KIND OF UNDERSCORES THAT ONE OF THE MAIN POINTS THAT YOU KNOW, WAS REFERRED TO BEFORE WHEN IT COMES TO WHAT WE'RE ALWAYS ASKING ABOUT THE RESEARCH OF WHAT CAMERAS DO ARE METAL DETECTORS AND CADE SAYING THAT THE RESEARCH POINTS TO THE RELATIONSHIPS AS BEING THE MOST IMPORTANT THING OF KEEPING FOLKS SAFE. SO WHEN YOUNG PEOPLE CAN GO TO PEOPLE THAT THEY TRUST TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON. TALKING TO THEIR COUNSELORS, TALKING TO THEIR TEACHERS, TALKING TO PEER LEADERS THAT'S WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO INVEST IN WHEN WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH YOUNG PEOPLE ON OUR PROGRAM AND ASK WHAT HAPPENS IN YOUR SCHOOL SCHOOLS? WHAT WHAT KEEPS PEOPLE SAFE? THEY NEED TO TALK ABOUT THAT LIKE BE ABLE TO TALK TO THE ADULTS AND THE PROBLEM WITH CAMERAS IS THAT THEY JUST FEEL THIS SCHOOL TO PRISON PIPELINE. SO WE HAVE $30 MILLION GOING IN TO A SYSTEM THAT'S MONITORING YOUTH LIKE FOR US AS ADULTS WHO WANTS TO BE WATCHED IN OUR WORKPLACE FOR EXAMPLE, WE WANT CAMERAS ON ALL THE TIME WHILE YOU'RE EATING LUNCH WHILE YOU'RE WALKING DOWN THE HALL AND KIND OF INSTILLS THAT FEAR IN FOLKS AS OPPOSED TO GETTING TO THE ROOT CAUSES OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY CAUSING ISSUES. AND IT FEELS REALLY NOT TRANSPARENT LIKE I DON'T KNOW IF THE BBC HAS GONE DOWN IT BACK TO US YET LIKE HOW OFTEN HAVE THEY USED CAMERAS TO SUSPEND PEOPLE OR TO DISCIPLINE PEOPLE AND WHY AREN'T WHY ISN'T THE FOCUS ON MAKING CLASSES INTERESTING SO PEOPLE AREN'T CUTTING CLASSES OR MAKING SURE THERE'S MENTAL HEALTH RESOURCES OR TRANSFORMATIVE JUSTICE?  ONE OF THE STUDENTS WE WORK WITH IS THE TREASURER OF HER SCHOOL GOVERNMENT.  SHE ONLY HAS $2,000 TO LEAD TRIPS AND TO DO ACTIVITIES THAT'S NOTHING COMPARED TO ALL THIS MONEY THAT'S GOING TO CAMERAS. SO WE NEED THE DATA WE NEED TO INVEST IN REAL RESOURCES 6 MILLION A YEAR THAT COULD BE GOING TO PROBABLY LIKE 80 OR 100 STAFF. RIGHT. TRANSFORMATIVE JUSTICE, MENTAL HEALTH COUNSELING I THINK THE CURRENT RESTORATIVE JUSTICE PROGRAM IN THE IN THE CITY AND IT'S IS WAY SMALLER THAN 8200 STAFF SO WE DO NEED TO HAVE AUDITS TO KNOW HOW THIS INFORMATION IS BEING USED TO FUEL THE SCHOOL TO PRISON PIPELINE.  BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY WE NEED TO LISTEN TO YOUNG PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT REALLY KEEPS PEOPLE SAFE AND INVEST IN THINGS THAT WILL BUILD THOSE RELATIONSHIPS AND ADDRESS THE ROOT CAUSES INSTEAD OF POURING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS EVERY YEAR INTO CAMERAS. THANK YOU.  THANK YOU, GEORGE. NEXT UP WE HAVE CARMEN GARCIA.  HELLO.  THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME . I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE ON PUBLIC SAFETY AND CRIMINAL JUSTICE.  AGAIN, MY NAME IS CARMEN GARCIA AND I LIVE IN THE DORCHESTER AREA. I CURRENTLY ATTEND THE MARGUERITE MUSE ACADEMY AND I'M HERE TO DISCUSS THE ISSUES FACING BOSTON PUBLIC SCHOOLS LIKE HOW WE PASS HAS BEEN A HUGE AMOUNT OF MONEY ON MONEY MONEY ON SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGIES. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CHANGE IN HOW MONEY IS SPENT ON SURVEILLANCE CAMERAS. PBS HAS SPENT A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY ON SURVEILLANCE TECHNOLOGY AND I THINK THEY DO NOT SEEM TO CREATE A POSITIVE IMPACT LIKE STUDENTS NOT FEELING COMFORTABLE AND WATCHED AT ALL TIMES OF DAY OR STUDENTS NOT KNOWING WHAT SCHOOLS WOULD DO WITH THE SURVEILLANCE FOOTAGE. MANY SCHOOLS ARE STRUGGLING DUE TO THE LACK OF RESOURCES A SHORTAGE OF TEACHERS CAUSED BY INSUFFICIENT PAY AND INADEQUATE FUNDING.  ADDITIONALLY, THERE IS SIGNIFICANT PRESSURE FROM STANDARDIZED TESTING YET THERE'S LITTLE ADVOCACY FOR STUDENTS MENTAL HEALTH. WHILE MANY TECHNOLOGIES ARE REQUIRED FOR EFFECTIVE LEARNING, THE SCHOOLS OFTEN LACK ACCESS TO HIGH QUALITY EQUIPMENT. THIS ISSUE MATTERS TO ME BECAUSE I'M A SENIOR IN HIGH SCHOOL AND I HAVE EXPERIENCED THESE CHANGES VIVIDLY.  LIKE THE LACK OF TEACHERS THEREFORE REQUIRED SCHOOL SUBJECTS AND INADEQUATE FUNDING FOR SCHOOL MATERIALS. IF YOU WANT THE NEXT GENERATION OF STUDENTS TO SUCCEED WE SHOULD INVEST IN ESSENTIAL RESEARCH RESOURCES INSTEAD.  THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.  THANK YOU, CARMEN. I REALLY APPRECIATE OUR YOUTH STUDENTS JOINING US HERE TESTIFYING THIS EVENING.  I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT CENTRAL SIDE THAT THERE AREN'T ANY OTHER PEOPLE WHO ARE SIGNED UP AS I SEE.  THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MR CHAIR. ANYONE WHO WANTS TO RAISE THEIR HAND I BELIEVE THAT EVERYBODY.  OKAY, SOUNDS GOOD. WITH THAT SPARK OR YOU KNOW, I REALLY WANT TO THANK OUR PANELISTS OF BOTH PANELS OF THE ADMINISTRATION AND OUR COMMUNITY PANEL AND ALL MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC FOR JOINING US AND TESTIFYING, MY COLLEAGUES FOR THEIR PARTICIPATION AND OF COURSE CENTRAL STAFF SHANE AND ETHAN AND THE WHOLE TEAM JUST FOR THE WORK THAT YOU DO. AND I KNOW IT'S A LATE HEARING SO I REALLY APPRECIATE THE FLEXIBILITY AND OF COURSE TO ALSO MY CO-SPONSOR COUNCILOR WEBER FOR CO-SPONSORING THIS HEARING WITH ME . THANK YOU EVERYONE. THIS HEARING ON DOCKET NUMBER 1 TO 0 EIGHT IS ADJOURN