>> YES. >> YES, FOR SURE, RIGHT. YOU CAN'T DO SOMETHING THAT BENEFITS  YOU AND NOT THE CITY. THAT'S CORRUPT MISUSE. WHAT IF YOU HAD A PARKING PLACARD AND YOU FORGOT TO PUT IT UP? II LIKE TO THROW A WRENCH IN THINGS. I THINK IF I WERE DOING THIS ANALYSIS -- >> I HAVE A PASSION. >> I WOULD SAY YOU COULD DO THAT. IF YOU HAD THE PLACARD AND FORGOT TO PUT IT UP, YOU COULD PROBABLY GET YOUR TICKET VOIDED. I WOULD SAY PERSONALLY I WOULD JUST PAY THE TICKET BECAUSE I WOULD NOT WANT A PARKING TICKET WITH MY NAME ON IT THAT HAD VOID WRITTEN ACROSS THE FRONT OF IT. THAT'S MY ANALYSIS. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO. SO THINK OF IT IN THOSE TERMS AGAIN. WHAT IF IT SHOWED UP ON THE NEWS? DO YOU REALLY WANT THAT TO HAPPEN? YOU GET THROUGH ONE, TWO, THREE BUT MAYBE NOT FOUR OF THE FOUR-STEP PROCESS. YES, HE HAS IMPROPERLY USED HIS AUTHORITY IN A WAY THAT DID NOT BENEFIT THE CITY. OKAY. CORRUPT MISUSE OF OFFICIAL POSITION. EVERY EMPLOYEE IN A CITY DEPARTMENT IS REQUIRED TO SIT FOR ANNUAL CERTIFICATION EXAMINATION PAID FOR BY THE CITY, TAKEN WHILE THEY ARE ON CITY TIME. HALF THE EMPLOYEES TAKE THE EXAM ON MONDAY AND HALF OF THEM TAKE IT ON FRIDAY. A TEST TAKER FROM MONDAY'S SITTING MAKES COPIES AND DISTRIBUTES THE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS TO HIS FRIDAY FELLOW TEST TAKERS. HAS THIS EMPLOYEE VIOLATED THE CORRUPT MISUSE OF OFFICIAL POSITION? WHAT'S THE PROCESS HERE? >> WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? I WILL TELL YOU I WAS DOING THIS TRAINING SOMEWHERE AND ONE OF THE PEOPLE RAISED THEIR HAND AND SAID, MA'AM, THAT'S JUST GOOD TEAMWORK. [LAUGHTER] AND I SAID, OH, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED SOME REMEDIAL TRAINING. WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? WE'RE GOING THROUGH CORRUPT MISUSE. DOES THIS BENEFIT THE CITY IN IN WAY? IS HE USING HIS POSITION? OF COURSE, YOU CAN'T DO THIS. YOU THINK OF THE IMPORTANCE OF CERTIFICATIONS. WHILE THERE MAY BE NO FINANCIAL COMPONENT ATTACHED TO THIS, IT DOESN'T TAKE TOO MANY STEPS TO GET TO A FINANCIAL COMPONENT REALLY. THE FINANCIAL COMPONENT COULD BE IN A LAWSUIT. IT COULD BE IN SOMEBODY KEEPING THEIR JOB. THERE'S A MILLION WAYS THIS TURNS FINANCIAL. SO YES, THE EMPLOYEE, EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, IT EASILY GETS TO FINANCIAL. THE EMPLOYEE IMPROPERLY USED HIS POSITION TO GIVE A SPECIAL BENEFIT TO HIS CO-WORKERS AND THAT WAS NOT IN ANY WAY BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY. I DEFINITELY WANT MY LIFEGUARDS TO PASS THEIR ANNUAL CERTIFICATIONS PERSONALLY. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT, ANYBODY? ALL RIGHT. CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIPS, SO THIS IS JUST OUR WAY OF TALKING ABOUT SECOND JOBS. ANYBODY THAT HAS A JOB OUTSIDE OF THEIR CITY EMPLOYMENT. THE CODE REGULATES SOME OF THOSE CONTRACTS THAT YOU MAY ENTER INTO IN YOUR PRIVATE CAPACITY BECAUSE OF YOUR PUBLIC EMPLOYMENT OR POSITION. SO GENERALLY, YOU, YOUR OUTSIDE EMPLOYER OR YOUR OUTSIDE BUSINESS, CANNOT PROVIDE ANY GOODS OR SERVICES FOR PAYMENT TO YOUR PUBLIC EMPLOYER OR YOUR PUBLIC INSTITUTION. SO WHILE YOU ALL MAY HAVE OUTSIDE BUSINESSES, OUTSIDE JOBS, YOU JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE NOT PROVIDING THOSE TO THE CITY OF BOYNTON BEACH. HOWEVER, WHEN WE TAKE AWAY, WE GIVE BACK LIKE ANY GOOD LAW. WE HAVE A LOT OF EXCEPTIONS TO THIS RULE. SO THE EXCEPTIONS ARE GOING TO BE IF YOUR OUTSIDE EMPLOYER IS ANOTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY. SO THAT IS AN EXCEPTION TO THE OUTSIDE EMPLOYMENT. FOR EXAMPLE, IF -- I WON'T GET INTO EXAMPLE ABOUT GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY. WE KNOW WHAT IT IS. IF IT IS A SEALED BID, LOW-BID CONTRACT, YOU CAN BID ON THAT AS LONG AS THE SEALED BID, LOW-BID CONTRACT PROVISIONS ARE COMPLIED WITH. EMERGENCY PURCHASES OR SOLE SOURCE OF SUPPLY, I DON'T WANT TO SAY THE "H" WORD DURING THE "H" SEASON, BUT IN THAT SITUATION, IF A TREE WAS DOWN ON THE ROAD AND YOU WERE THE ONLY EXCAVATING COMPANY THAT THE CITY COULD GET THEIR HANDS ON OR IF YOU HAD A BUNCH OF WATER OR FOOD THE CITY NEEDED, YOU COULD PROVIDE THAT. UNDER THE EMERGENCY PURCHASES OR SOLE SOURCE OF SUPPLY, THAT'S THE SITUATION. AND THERE'S NO PRICE LIMIT ON THAT. IF THE CONTRACTS OR GOODS ARE VALUED AT LESS THAN $500 PER YEAR, IF YOU ARE A PUBLIC EMPLOYEE AND OBTAIN A WAIVER -- THAT IS THE MOST COMMON TIME WHEN YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN ANALYSIS. AND THEN EXTRA DUTY FOR POLICE AND FIRE, THAT'S AN EXCEPTION SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT IF YOU'RE POLICE AND FIRE AND YOU'RE WORKING DETAILS. PART-TIME OUTSIDE EMPLOYMENT WAIVER, DO I NEED ONE? IS MY POTENTIAL EMPLOYER A VENDOR OF MY GOVERNMENT EMPLOYER? I WOULD SAY PROBABLY DISCLOSES TOO MUCH ABOUT ME, BUT MY DREAM JOB WAS ALWAYS UNTIL ABOUT A MONTH AGO WHEN I WAS AT ONE OF THESE TRAININGS -- I ALWAYS SAID I'M GOING TO GET A JOB AT HOME DEPOT AND WORK FOR A FEW HOURS ON THE WEEKEND AND GET THE DISCOUNT. THAT WAS MY DREAM. DID YOU GUYS KNOW HOME DEPOT DOESN'T GIVE A DISCOUNT? SHATTERED. [LAUGHTER] SO I HEARD THEY HAVE PET INSURANCE, THOUGH, SO THEY ARE BACK UP THERE MAYBE. HOME DEPOT HAS A CONTRACT WITH EVERY GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY IN THE COUNTY BUT I WORK FOR PALM BEACH COUNTY SO I CAN PROMISE YOU HOME DEPOT HAS A CONTRACT WITH PALM BEACH COUNTY. IF I WANT TO GO GET A JOB AT HOME DEPOT, I HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS ANALYSIS. WHAT I AM GOING TO DO IF MY POTENTIAL PART-TIME EMPLOYER IS A VENDOR -- THE ANSWER HERE IS YES -- THEN I HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THIS CONFLICT OF INTEREST WAIVER. IF THEY ARE NOT A VENDOR, I CAN JUST ACCEPT THAT JOB AND GO FORTH. I DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT. I DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ANY FURTHER STEPS. SINCE THEY ARE A VENDOR, I HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT I DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN ANY WAY IN AWARDING THE CONTRACT TO HOME DEPOT. LIKE FOR ME, I DO NOTHING IMPORTANT WHEN IT COMES TO -- I DO NOTHING IMPORTANT, BUT THIS IS IMPORTANT. I DO NOTHING IMPORTANT WITH RESPECT TO CONTRACTS. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING FINANCIAL, ANY AWARDS, ANY CHOOSING OF VENDORS. I HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS. FOR ME, THIS IS AN EASY ANSWER. I CAN SAY I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE CONTRACT. I CAN GET MY PART-TIME EMPLOYMENT WAIVER. I CAN FILE IT AND I CAN GO GET MY JOB. IF I DO HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT CONTRACT, IF I DO PARTICIPATE IN THAT CONTRACT, THE AWARDING OF THE CONTRACT, THE NUMBERS IN THE CONTRACT, THE GOODS IN THE CONTRACT IN ANY WAY, THIS IS AN UNAVOIDABLE CONFLICT AND I CAN'T WAIVE IT SO I CAN'T ACCEPT THAT JOB IF I HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT. THE REASONING HERE IS WHAT IF I DID HAVE SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT CONTRACT AND I WORK FOR SOME DEPARTMENT THAT ORDERS LIGHT BULBS AND I GO TO WORK IN HOME DEPOT IN THE LIGHT BULB DEPARTMENT AND I GET COMMISSION OR GET A RAISE BECAUSE OF IT. IT IS ALL ABOUT TRANSPARENCY. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THINGS DON'T LOOK LIKE THEY ARE GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES. THE BIG QUESTION IS, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT CONTRACT? IF YOU DO, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED MORE ANALYSIS BUT IT MAY BE AN UNWAIVABLE CONFLICT. SO GET THE WAIVER. SIGN IT, HAVE IT SIGNED BY YOUR SUPERVISOR. GET US A COPY. GET A COPY TO YOUR PEOPLE AND THEN YOU'RE GOOD TO GO. >> QUESTION. >> YES. GO BACK A COUPLE OF SLIDES. ONE MORE. NUMBER THREE THERE, IT SAYS THIS PART-TIME EMPLOYMENT WILL NOT INTERFERE WITH GOVERNMENT JOB. I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT IT SAYS THIS WILL BE DETERMINED BY YOUR SUPERVISOR. AS A COUNCILMAN OR COMMISSIONER, I DON'T HAVE A SUPERVISOR. >> YOU GUYS ARE IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT -- YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU DON'T. AND YOUR JOB IS TO SHOW UP AT YOUR COUNCIL MEETINGS AND IT'S SLIGHTLY -- IT'S GOING TO BE A DIFFERENT -- PROBABLY A DIFFERENT ANALYSIS FOR YOU. THIS WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT YOU CAN'T CALL IN SICK TO YOUR CITY JOB AND GO WORK AT YOUR SECOND JOB. YOU CAN'T -- YOU HAVE TO STAY WITHIN PARAMETERS. I THINK I KNOW THERE ARE A COUPLE OF CITIES TO THE NORTH THAT HAVE VERY LIMITED OUTSIDE EMPLOYMENT ALLOWANCES. SO EVEN IF THEY COMPLIED WITH ALL OF THIS INTERNALLY THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED TO WORK FOR CERTAIN OUTSIDE AGENCIES AT CERTAIN TIMES WITHIN CERTAIN HOURS OF THEIR SHIFT. SO THOSE ARE MORE THE THINGS THAT WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT. YOURS IS GOING TO BE AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT ANALYSIS. SOME OF THIS IS GOING TO APPLY ONLY TO EMPLOYEES. LIKE IT WOULD APPLY TO ME. BUT AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL, YOU ARE GOING TO BE TREATED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY. OKAY? JUST CALL ME. I'LL APPROVE IT. [LAUGHTER] >> WILL DO. >> WE'LL SEE. WE'LL SEE IF I APPROVE IT. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT? ALL RIGHT. CITY EMPLOYEE WOULD LIKE TO START A PART-TIME BUSINESS WHERE SHE PERFORMS I.T. CONSULTING WORK OUTSIDE OF WORK HOURS. SHE'S EMPLOYED FULL-TIME BY THE CITY IN THE I.T. DEPARTMENT AND SHE LEARNED EVERYTHING SHE NEEDED TO KNOW  ON THE JOB, EVEY BIT OF HER TRAINING, EVERY BIT OF HER KNOWLEDGE CAME FROM WORKING AT THE CITY OF BOYNTON BEACH. MAY SHE PERFORM NON-I.T. WORK IN NON-WORK HOURS WHEN SHE IS A CITY EMPLOYEE IN THE I.T. DEPARTMENT? YEAH? >> HOPE SO. >> I MEAN YEAH, RIGHT? >> YEAH. >> SURE. AS LONG AS SHE DOES NOT WHAT? WORK FOR THE CITY. SHE CANNOT PROVIDE WORK DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY. AND WHEN WE SAY INDIRECTLY, WE MEAN SHE CAN'T DO CONTRACT WORK FOR SOMEBODY WHO IS PROVIDING SERVICES TO THE CITY. EVEN IF SHE'S WORKING IN THAT SECONDARY CAPACITY, THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED AN INDIRECT CONTRACT AND THAT STILL WOULD BE A VIOLATION. SO YOU CAN'T B BACK DOOR THIS. YOU CANNOT DO WORK FOR THE CITY. OBVIOUSLY, SHE ALSO CANNOT USE CITY RESOURCES TO COMPLETE THE WORK. SHE ALSO THINKS SHE SHOULD REFRAIN FROM IDENTIFYING TO OR ALLUDING TO HER POSITION WITH THE CITY, WEARING HER WORK SHIRT WITH THE CITY LOGO ON IT, DRIVING A CITY VEHICLE WHILE SOLICITING POTENTIAL CLIENTS. IS SHE CORRECT ABOUT ALL THIS? COMMISSIONER HAY, WHY ARE YOU LAUGHING? >> I MEAN IT SHOULD BE OBVIOUS THAT SHE SHOULDN'T DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. >> IT SHOULD BE. BUT I PROMISE YOU THAT WE HAD A CASE WHERE THE PERSON SOLICITED WHILE WORKING IN A CITY UNIFORM, DRIVING A CITY VEHICLE, PRINTED A CONTRACT ON A CITY COMPUTER, BROUGHT THAT CONTRACT TO A CITY FACILITY WHILE ON THE JOB, HAD THE PERSON SIGN IT WITH A CITY PEN, ON CITY PAPER, ALL WHILE WORKING. >> REALLY? >> REALLY. SO WE PUT THIS IN HERE JUST TO BE SAFE, JUST IN CASE IT'S NOT CLEAR ENOUGH. YOU CANNOT DO THESE THINGS. YOU HAVE TO KEEP YOUR OUTSIDE EMPLOYMENT COMPLETELY SEPARATE OR YOUR OUTSIDE BUSINESS COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM YOUR GOVERNMENT WORK. IT SEEMS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, LIKE A NO-BRAINER, BUT WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO TAKE ANY CHANCES BECAUSE IT'S HAPPENED. YES, OF COURSE, SHE'S CORRECT. >> YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN IT ALL. >> WELL, YES. YES, THAT WOULD VIOLATE THE MISUSE OF OFFICE SECTION. EVERYBODY MAKE PERFECT SENSE? OKAY. WHAT ABOUT THIS? THE CHILD OF A CITY EMPLOYEE SOLELY OWNS A PRESSURE CLEANING SERVICE. THE CITY EMPLOYEE DOES NOT WORK FOR THE BUSINESS AND IS NOT INVOLVED WITH THE BUSINESS IN ANY WAY. MAY THE CHILD OF THE CITY EMPLOYEE ENTER INTO A CONTRACT TO PROVIDE PRESSURE WASHING FOR THE CITY UNDER THE CODE OF ETHICS? IT SEEMS LIKE YES, BUT I WILL TELL YOU IT IS NOT. UNDER THE DEFINITION, A BUSINESS OF FAMILY OR HOUSEHOLD MEMBER, OR A SON, IS ATTRIBUTED TO THE EMPLOYEE. SO YOUR CHILD'S BUSINESS WILL BE CONSIDERED YOUR BUSINESS WITH RESPECT TO CONTRACTUAL RELATIONSHIPS. AND IT SEEMS -- THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS, THE UMBRELLA MAY SEEM A LITTLE FAR REACHING. BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT NOW AGAIN THE SMALLER JURISDICTIONS, WE DON'T WANT THEM TO JUST BE ABLE TO HIRE THEIR CHILDREN AND HAVE NOBODY ELSE WORKING FOR THE TOWN, RIGHT? SO IN THIS SITUATION, YOUR CHILD'S BUSINESS IS GOING TO BE CONSIDERED YOURS FOR PURPOSES OF THE CODE. SO THE ANSWER HERE IS NO, YOU MAY NOT HIRE THAT CHILD. EXCEPT FOR IF ANY OF THE EXCEPTIONS APPLY, IT'S ONCE AGAIN FINE. SO IF FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE OUTSIDE EMPLOYER IS ANOTHER GOVERNMENT ENTITY, SEALED BID LOW BID, EMERGENCY, SOLE SOURCE OF SUPPLY, ANY OF THE EXCEPTIONS ARE GOING TO MAKE THAT OKAY IN THIS SITUATION. OKAY? ALL RIGHT. GIFT LAW. WHAT IS A GIFT? SO A GIFT IS A GIFT IS A GIFT IS A GIFT. ANYBODY HAVE A BIRTHDAY WITHIN THE LAST MONTH? NO? REALLY? TWO MONTHS? ALL RIGHT. WHAT DID YOU GET? WHAT WAS YOUR BEST GIFT? [LAUGHTER] [INAUDIBLE] >> BITE YOUR TONGUE. DID YOU DECLARE THAT GIFT? [INAUDIBLE] IT WAS FROM YOUR FAMILY. DOES THAT MATTER? WE JUST SAID IT'S A GIFT LIKE, YOU KNOW -- [INAUDIBLE] IS THAT ONE OF THE EXCEPTIONS? YOU'RE LUCKY, IT IS AN EXCEPTION. BUT YES. SO WE WILL TELL YOU ONCE AGAIN YOU HAVE TO DECLARE GIFTS, WE TELL YOU VERY BROAD -- WE MAKE A VERY BROAD DEMAND AND WINNOW IT DOWN SO YOU ONLY HAVE TO DECLARE CERTAIN GIFTS. ONE OF THE THINGS I WILL REMIND EVERYBODY IS UNDER THE GIFT LAW SECTION AND THE CODE IN GENERAL, THERE ARE ABSOLUTE PROHIBITIONS, NO KICK BACKS OR BRIBES AND NO TIPS WITH ONE SINGLE EXCEPTION WHICH WE WILL TALK ABOUT. SO WHEN THE CODE FIRST CAME INTO EFFECT, NO TIPS WAS ACROSS THE BOARD, NO TIPS. BUT ANY GOVERNMENTAL EMPLOYEE WHO WORKED FOR A SERVICE-RELATED INDUSTRY, ALL OF A SUDDEN, COULD NO LONGER ACCEPT A TIP. SO WE HAD SERVERS FOR GOLF COURSES OR, YOU KNOW, TIP-RELATED FIELDS THAT, ALL OF A SUDDEN, COULDN'T GET TIPS. AND THEY DIDN'T WANT TO WORK THERE ANY MORE, UNDERSTANDABLY, BECAUSE TIPS ARE WHAT BROUGHT THEM TO A LIVING WAGE. SO THEY QUICKLY DID AN ADVISORY OPINION THAT NOW SAYS THAT GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES IN SERVICE-RELATED JOBS WHO ARE HIRED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY WOULD RECEIVE TIPS AS A PORTION OF THEIR COMPENSATION AND WHERE THAT IS STANDARD COMPENSATION WITHIN THAT OCCUPATION, THEN THEY MAY STILL RECEIVE TIPS. AND ONE THING I WANT TO REMIND EVERYBODY IS A TIP CAN BE VERY -- IT HAS A VERY BROAD DEFINITION. WE TEND TO THINK OF THAT IS WE TIP OUR SERVERS, RIGHT. BUT WHAT ARE WE TIPPING THAT SERVER FOR, GENERALLY? WHAT ARE WE TIPPING THEM FOR? >> SERVICE. >> JUST GENERALLY, YOU'RE A GREAT SERVER ALL THE TIME OR TIPPING THEM FOR YOUR SPECIFIC SERVICE? YOUR SPECIFIC SERVICE, RIGHT? SO YOU ARE TIPPING THEM FOR A JOB THEY DID ON THAT SPECIFIC DATE AT THAT SPECIFIC TIME. SO REMEMBER THAT IN THE CONTEXT OF THE CODE. BECAUSE ONLY IN SERVICE-RELATED INDUSTRIES ARE TIPS GOING TO BE OKAY. BUT WE'LL GET INTO THAT IN A LITTLE BIT. OKAY. SO HERE'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GET BACK TO YOUR CROISSANT AND YOUR CUP OF COFFEE. WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT EVEN BETTER. OKAY. SO GIFT LAW, THERE'S A PROHIBITION ON SOLICITING OR ACCEPTING OVER $100 ANNUALLY IN THE AGGREGATE FROM ANY VENDOR, ANY BIDDER OR PROPOSER, ANY LOBBYIST OR ANY PRINCIPAL OR EMPLOYER OF A LOBBYIST. SO THAT $100 ONLY APPLIES TO THESE FOUR SECTIONS OF GIFT GIVERS. SO, MAYOR PENSERGA, LET'S SAY YOU ARE AT THAT STARBUCKS AND SOMEBODY, A CITIZEN -- I TOLD YOU I'M FROM SEATTLE. LET'S JUST SAY I SEE YOU AT THE STARBUCKS AND I SAY, MAYOR PENSERGA -- I LIKE TO SAY SEAHAWKS TICKETS EVEN IF THEY ARE PLAYING MIAMI. I HAVE SEAHAWKS TICKETS THIS WEEKEND AND I CAN'T GO. YOU SAY TO YOURSELF, I SURE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE SEAHAWKS BECAUSE WHO WOULDN'T. THEY ARE REALLY GOOD TICKETS RIGHT AT THE 50-YARD LINE. THEY ARE REALLY LOW. THEY WERE $300 APIECE. CAN YOU ACCEPT THOSE TICKETS FROM ME? >> WHY NOT? >> IT'S OVER $100. >> AM I A VENDOR? >> NO. >> AM I A BIDDER? AM I A LOBBYIST? I'M JUST ME, RHONDA GEIGER. I AM I A PRINCIPAL OR EMPLOYER? $600 OF TICKETS, CAN I ACCEPT IT? >> IN THEORY BUT I WOULDN'T STILL. >> I GET THAT AND I APPRECIATE IT. BUT UNDER THE CODE, YOU REALLY WANT TO GO TO THE GAME AND SEE THE SEAHAWKS. YOU KNOW SMITH IS LOOKING GOOD. >> IF YOU'RE NOT EVEN OF THOSE PEOPLE, YEAH, I SUPPOSE YES. >> YEAH, YOU COULD, RIGHT. WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO DO IF YOU ACCEPT THOSE? >> REPORT. >> REPORT IT WHY? >> TRANSPARENCY. [INAUDIBLE] >> THAT'S FAIR, TOO. AS LONG AS YOU REPORT THEM BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE DEFINITELY GOING TO PAY DOUBLE FOR SEAHAWKS TICKETS WITHOUT A DOUBT, NO QUESTION. [LAUGHTER] WHAT'S FUNNY ABOUT THAT? >> WE'LL LET THAT SLIDE. >> YOU SEE HERE WHERE WE GET THAT SIDES AND PEOPLE GET THAT $100 IN THEIR HEAD AND I CAN'T ACCEPT THAT. YOU REALLY COULD, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TO DECLARE IT. IT'S NOT JUST YOU. THAT APPLIES TO EVERY EMPLOYEE, THAT APPLIES TO ANYBODY. THERE IS SHOCKINGLY NO UPPER LIMIT ON THE AMOUNT OF GIFT YOU CAN ACCEPT AS LONG AS IT'S NOT FROM THIS PROHIBITED SECTION. YOU HAVE TO DECLARE THAT ONCE YOU ACCEPT THAT GIFT. MAKE PERFECT SENSE? >> MAYOR: CAN I ASK YOU ABOUT THE LOBBYIST? >> SURE. >> MAYOR: DO THEY HAVE TO BE A REGISTERED LOBBYIST? >> THEY HAVE TO BE ENGAGING IN LOBBYIST-RELATED ACTIVITY. >> MAYOR: ANYBODY IN THAT ACTIVITY REGARDLESS OF THE STATUS. >> TYPICALLY, THEY SHOULD BE REGISTERED LOBBYISTS BUT WE DO HAVE ENGAGED IN LOBBYIST ACTIVITIES AND A DEFINITION OF THAT. SO I DON'T THINK JUST NOT REGISTERING IS GOING TO GET PAST THAT. BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULDN'T WANT TO PUT A BLANKET ON. TYPICALLY, THEY ARE GOING TO BE REGISTERED IS WHAT I'LL SAY. >> MAYOR: OKAY. >> AGAIN, IT'S LOBBYING YOUR PUBLIC EMPLOYER. IF THEY ARE NOT LOBBYING BOYNTON BEACH. THEY COULD BE A LOBBYIST BUT NOT LOBBYING BOYNTON BEACH, IT'S NOT GOING TO QUALIFY. ALL RIGHT. SO HERE'S THE DIFFERENT SECTION. THERE'S A PROHIBITION ON SOLICITING ANY GIFT FROM. THIS IS NOT SOLICITING OR ACCEPTING. THIS IS SOLICITING A GIFT FROM ANY VENDOR, ANY BIDDER, ANY LOBBYIST OR ANYBODY WHO EMPLOYS A LOBBYIST. WHY DO YOU THINK THIS IS? ANYBODY HAVE ANY IDEAS? WE DON'T WANT YOU SAYING, HEY, MY KID WOULD REALLY LOVE TO GO TO THE SEAHAWKS GAME THIS WEEKEND AND ANY CHANCE YOU COULD GET ME A COUPLE OF TICKETS? AND THEN THEY FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE TO DO THAT OR THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GET THEIR BID OR THEY ARE NOT GOING TO GET -- YOU'RE NOT GOING TO VOTE ON THEIR ISSUE ON THE SIDE THAT THEY WANT YOU TO VOTE. SO NO SOLICITING, NO MATTER WHO IT'S FOR IN THIS SECTION. CAN'T BE FOR YOUR PERSONAL BENEFIT OR THE PERSONAL BEST OF ANOTHER OFFICIAL, EMPLOYEE, RELATIVE OR HOUSEHOLD MEMBER. OKAY? AND THEN STATE REPORTERS, THIS IS YOU GUYS, OF COURSE. NOT ME. NOT SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN HERE. BUT YOU GUYS. WHILE THE PROHIBITION AGAINST TAKING GIFTS FROM CERTAIN INDIVIDUALS OR ENTITIES APPLIES TO STATE REPORTING OFFICIALS, THE REPORTING REQUIREMENTS ARE GOVERNED BY STATE LAW. IF STATE LAW REQUIRES A GIFT TO BE REPORTED ON A STATE OF FLORIDA QUARTERLY GIFT FORM, YOU HAVE TO DO THAT AND YOU ALSO HAVE TO SEND A COPY TO US WITHIN 10 DAYS OF FILING THAT FORM. YES, OKAY. THAT'S ONE THING. IT'S GREAT WHEN GIFT FORMS GET FILED, BUT THEY HAVE TO ALSO BE FILED WUTS. THAT'S KIND OF A COMMON OVERSIGHT. AND WE DO GO THROUGH THE GIFT FORMS AND MAKE SURE -- THE NICE THING ABOUT BEING A STATE REPORTER IS IF YOU HAVE ACCIDENTALLY ACCEPTED A GIFT FROM SOMEBODY WHO IS A BIDDER, VENDOR, A LOBBYIST OR EMPLOYEES A LOBBYIST, THE CURE PERIOD IS 90 DAYS SO WE'RE GOING TO CATCH IT FOR YOU. MAKE SURE YOU GET US THOSE FORMS ON TIME. WEEWE GO THROUGH THOSE WITH A PRETTY CLOSE EYE. >> MAYOR: RHONDA, CAN I ASK YOU -- I MIGHT BE GETTING AHEAD. IF I AM, LET ME KNOW. WHAT ABOUT EVENTS? THEY COMP YOUR TICKETS TO EVENTS OR THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I SEE HALF THE COUNTY THERE. >> YOU'RE NOT GETTING AHEAD -- ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE STARTED DOING IN PALM BEACH COUNTY -- I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY OF BOYNTON BEACH DOES IT. BUT WHAT PALM BEACH COUNTY HAS STARTED DOING IS THEY WRITE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF TICKETS INTO THE CONTRACT. SO WHEN THE PEOPLE GET TICKETS, THEY ARE COMING FROM THEIR EMPLOYER. THEY ARE NOT COMING FROM THE VENDOR. >> MAYOR: YOU MEAN THE COUNTY GETS THEM FROM SOME ORGANIZATION AS PART OF SOME CONTRACT? >> EXACTLY. SO IT'S PART OF THE CONTRACT. IT'S PART OF THE EXCHANGE OF SERVICES. IT'S PART OF THE HANDSHAKE. SO WHEN AN EMPLOYEE GOES TO THAT, IT DOESN'T COME FROM THE VENDOR. IT COMES FROM THEIR EMPLOYER, SO IT MAY STILL BE A REPORTABLE GIFT, BUT IT'S NOT A PROHIBITED GIFT. >> MAYOR: GOT IT. >> DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? >> MAYOR: YES. >> I THINK HE'S REFERRING TO LET'S SAY THERE WAS A GROUP, THE AMERICAN RED CROSS INVITES YOU TO AN EVENT AND THEY COMP YOUR TICKETS. IN THAT SITUATION, BUT IT'S NOT -- >> ARE THEY A VENDOR? >> MAYOR: NO, THEY ARE NOT A VENDOR. LET'S JUST SAY SOME NON-PROFIT. >> YEAH, IF THEY ARE NOT A VENDOR -- >> MAYOR: DOING GOOD THING IN THE CITY. >> IF THEY ARE NOT A VENDOR -- THERE ARE VERY SPECIFIC VALUATION REQUIREMENTS. IT IS FACE VALUE OF THE TICKET, IF THERE'S NO FACE VALUE, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S NON-PROFIT, WE CAN BACK OUT SOME COSTS. THERE'S A FORMULA. BUT IF IT'S NOT A VENDOR BIDDER, IF IT'S NOT A PROHIBITED ENTITY, THEN YOU JUST HAVE TO SEE IF IT'S OVER $100 AND DECLARE IT. >> MAYOR: ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. >> SURE. OTHERWISE IF IT IS OVER $100 AND THEY ARE A VENDOR, IT IS PROHIBITED SO YOU CAN'T ACCEPT IT. SO ANYTHING OVER $100 ANNUALLY IN THE AGGREGATE FROM THE PROHIBITED FORM, YOU COULDN'T ACCEPT IT. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THERE'S A FEW LITTLE THINGS. SO STATE REPORTING INDIVIDUALS, HERE'S YOUR FORM. SO AS WE SAID, QUARTERLY REPORTING FOR YOU ALL ON THE FORM. SO HERE REPORTING REQUIREMENTS, NON-STATE REPORTERS, LOCAL REPORTERS, THIS IS US. THE NON-STATE REPORTERS IN THE ROOM, THE SAME, ESSENTIALLY THE SAME REQUIREMENTS BUT, AS WE SAID, ANY GIFTS VALUED, YOU GUYS HAVE TO COMPLY WITH A CERTAIN COMPONENT OF THE STATE STATUTE WHEREAS WE ONLY COMPLY WITH THE PALM BEACH COUNTY CODE OF ETHICS. SO HERE ANY GIFTS VALUED IN ZPES OF $100 PER YEAR GIVEN BY ANYONE TO A PUBLIC EMPLOYEE MUST BE REPORTED ON AN AGE BASIS TO THE PALM BEACH COUNTY COMMISSION ON ETHICS. CITY MANAGER DUGGER DIDN'T REPORT HIS TRIP TO MEXICO, SO WE HOPE IT FITS ONE OF THE EXCEPTIONS WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT. THE OTHER THING TO REMEMBER IS THIS IS ANNUALLY -- IF IT'S OVER 100, IT'S REPORTABLE. IF IT'S UNDER 100, IT'S NOT REPORTABLE. AS FAR AS NON-STATE REPORTERS, WE ONLY REPORT ONE TIME PER YEAR. SO WHEN YOU THINK OF THAT 90-DAY CURE PERIOD, IF YOU ARE REPORTING 11 MONTHS AFTER YOU ACCEPTED THE GIFT AND IT WAS A PROHIBITED ENTITY OR IT WAS SOMETHING YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE ACCEPTED, THE CURE PERIOD HAS PASSED. SO FEEL FREE, ANYBODY WHO IS A NON-STATE REPORTER, TO FILE YOUR FORM WHENEVER YOU ACCEPT THE GIFT. THAT WILL GET YOU WITHIN THAT CURE PERIOD AND GET YOU WITHIN THAT WINDOW. HERE'S EXCEPTIONS. GIFTS FROM, THANK GOODNESS, RELATIVES OR MEMBERS OF YOUR HOUSEHOLD. CAN YOU IMAGINE ALL THE GIFT FORMS WE WOULD GET? PERSONAL GIFTS IF GIVEN BOY A PERSONAL FRIEND OR CO-WORKER AND THE MOTIVATION OF THAT GIFT IS FRIENDSHIP OR A WORK RELATIONSHIP AND IT'S NOT TO GET TO WORK FROM HOME. IF IT'S JUST BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE AN AMICABLE RELATIONSHIP, THEN THAT'S FINE. AWARDS FOR CIVIC OR PROFESSIONAL ACHIEVEMENT, ADVERTISING MATERIALS, EVEN IF FROM VENDORS. GIFTS SOLICITED ON BEHALF OF YOUR PUBLIC EMPLOYER USED FOR A PUBLIC PURPOSE. ANY INHERITANCE REGARDLESS OF WHO IT IS FROM IS NOT REPORTABLE. LAWFUL POLITICAL CONTRIBUTIONS ARE NOT REPORTABLE. THE ACCEPTING OF THOSE OBVIOUSLY. REGISTRATION FEES AND OTHER COSTS FOR EDUCATIONAL CONFERENCES WHERE THE ATTENDANCE IS FOR GOVERNMENTAL PURPOSES AND IS RELATED TO YOUR DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES WITHIN YOUR JOB. SO HERE'S OUR FORM. IT'S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. NON-STATE REPORTERS, IF YOU DON'T ACCEPT A GIFT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO FILE A FORM. WE DON'T WANT BLANK FORMS. BUT YOU ARE WELCOME TO FILE MORE THAN ONE. >> MAYOR: SO THAT LAST BIT. >> YEAH. >> MAYOR: JUST TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THE VERY LAST ON THE LIST. FOR EDUCATIONAL CONFERENCES -- >> THEY ARE NOT CONSIDERED GIFTS. EVEN IF YOU ARE -- EVEN IF BOYNTON BEACH IS SENDING YOU SOMEWHERE TO TRAVEL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPORT THAT AS A GIFT. >> MAYOR: OKAY. >> AS LONG AS IT'S FOR WORK-RELATED PURPOSES. >> MAYOR: YEAH. >> IF YOU ARE GOING TO NEW MEXICO WITH YOUR FAMILY AND THE CITY OF BOYNTON BEACH PAYS FOR IT, THAT MAY BE A DIFFERENT SCENARIO. >> MAYOR: OKAY. THANKS. >> NOT THAT THE CITY OF BOYNTON BEACH DID. I'M NOT MAKING THAT ASSERTION. BE CAREFUL HERE OF REGIFTING. SO, MAYOR PENSERGA, LET'S JUST SAY YOU DID ACCEPT THE SEAHAWKS TICKETS AND AFTER THE FACT YOU SAID TO YOURSELF I HAVE A FEELING RHONDA GEIGER HAS AN OUTSIDE BUSINESS AND SHE'S A VENDOR OF THE CITY. NOW WHAT DO  I DO? THEN YOU SAY I'M GOING TO JUST GIVE THEM TO VICE MAYOR KELLEY. [LAUGHTER] >> MAYOR: SHE'S NOT A SEAHAWKS FAN. [LAUGHTER] >> HOW DARE YOU. >> MY MOTHER IS, DON'T WORRY. IT'S STILL IN THE FAMILY. >> OKAY. BUT LET'S JUST SAY SHE WANTED TO GO. SHE WANTED TO TAKE, YOU KNOW, HER BFF TO THE SEAHAWKS GAME. I MEAN WHY WOULDN'T YOU? YOU SAY YOU WANT TO GET THESE OFF MY HANDS. HAVE YOU FIXED IT BY GIVING THEM TO HER? >> MAYOR: I'M GOING TO SAY NO. >> NO, YOU ARE RIGHT. YOU HAVE NOT BECAUSE ALL YOU HAVE NOW DONE IS MADE HER ACCEPT A PROHIBITED GIFT AS WELL. SO WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT YOU JUST PASSING THESE ON AND WASHING YOUR HANDS OF IT. YOU HAVE ESSENTIALLY JUST MADE THE PAPER TRAIL LONGER INSTEAD OF ERADICATING IT. >> MAYOR: AND HER POSITION, TOO. >> SO THE MESSAGE HERE IS ALWAYS KNOW WHO IS GIVING YOU THE GIFT. IT'S EQUALLY AS IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHO IS GIVING IT TO YOU AS IT IS TO KNOW HOW MUCH THAT GIFT IS WORTH. AND ARGUABLY, EVEN MORE IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT. SO ONCE YOU IDENTIFY THE GIVER OF THE GIFT, THAT IS GOING TO SET THE PARAMETERS FOR YOU RIGHT AWAY ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN ACCEPT IT, WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE COST, WHETHER OR NOT YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THE COST, KNOWING THE IDENTITY OF THE GIVER IS THE BIG MESSAGE HERE. KNOW WHO IS THE ORIGINAL, THE ORIGINAL GIVER OF THAT GIFT. NOT MAYOR PENSERGA. YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE HE GOT THOSE TICKETS. DID YOU GET THOSE FROM SOMEWHERE? DID SOMEBODY GIVE US THESE? OKAY. CITY LIBRARY EMPLOYEE RECEIVES A $25 GIFT CARD FROM A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC AFTER HELPING THAT PERSON LOCATE CERTAIN BOOKS IN THE LIBRARY FOR RESEARCH. MAY THAT EMPLOYEE ACCEPT THE GIFT? WHAT DID I TELL YOU THAT THE CODE THINKS OF VERY BROADLY? WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? ANYBODY HAVE ANY GUESSES HERE? NO TIPS. DOES THIS SEEM LIKE A TIP WHEN YOU REALLY LOOK AT IT? IS THIS COMPENSATION OR A REWARD FOR A JOB WELL DONE JUST LIKE A SERVER, RIGHT? IT IS. SO THE ANSWER HERE IS NO. SHE MAY NOT ACCEPT THAT GIFT. AND LIKE IN THE SCENARIO, I USUALLY SAY SO THE EMPLOYEE OR THE CITIZEN GETS THERE AND THERE'S A NICE CARD WRITTEN TO THE LIBRARIAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR HELP WITH MY RESEARCH PROJECT, DID YOU A GREAT JOB. INSIDE THAT GIFT CARD IS A $25 GIFT CARD. YOU SEE THE $25 GIFT CARD AND YOU SEE THE REASON FOR IT AND THAT'S A HARD STOP RIGHT THERE. YOU CANNOT ACCEPT THAT. I DO LIKE TO SAY THAT THE SAME PLACE WHERE THE GUY SAID -- SAME GUY, NOT JUST SAME PLACE WHERE THE GUY SAID, MA'AM, THAT'S JUST GOOD TEAMWORK, HE SAID COULDN'T WE JUST THROW AWAY THE CARD. [LAUGHTER] I SAID AGAIN WE NEED SOME REMEDIAL TRAINING HERE. >> ALONG THOSE LINES, LET ME ASK A QUESTION. WHAT DO YOU DO WHEN IT'S AN ANONYMOUS GIFT? BECAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE DROP OFF FOOD. >> YEAH. >> AND OTHER ITEMS TO THE CITY AND YOU ARE LIKE WHAT DO WE DO WITH THIS. >> YOU HAVE AN ANONYMOUS DONOR. >> CORRECT. >> AND THEY ARE DROPPING OFF ITEMS TO THE CITY. LET'S FOR PURPOSES OF THIS SCENARIO LET'S JUST SAY IT'S -- >> CUPCAKES. >> OKAY, A DOZEN CUPCAKES. >> CORRECT. >> WE'RE GOING TO PUT A VALUE ON THOSE AND DO OUR BEST. ARE THEY HOMEMADE CUPCAKES? DID THEY COME FROM DUNKIN' DONUTS? WE'LL PUT A VALUE ON THOSE FIRST AND FOREMOST. THEN I'M GOING TO SAY TO YOU, ARE YOU GOING TO EAT ALL DOZEN OF THOSE CUPCAKES? >> NO, I'LL SHARE THEM. >> EVEN IF THEY ARE $5 A CUPCAKE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET TO THE $100 MARK. THE CODE IS VERY CLEAR. EVEN THERE, EVEN IF IT DOES COME FROM A LOBBYIST, VENDOR, PRINCIPAL BIDDER OR PROPOSER, EVEN IF IT DOES COME FROM ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE, YOU ARE NOT TO THE $100 THRESHOLD AND YOU ARE SHARING THOSE SO YOU PROPORTION THOSE OUT. YOU MAY HAVE $5 WORTH OF CUPCAKES. IF YOU EAT A CUPCAKE FROM THIS SAME PERSON EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THE ENTIRE YEAR, YOU WILL GET TO THE $100. BUT IF IT'S A RANDOM CUPCAKE, THERE'S NO PROBLEM AT ALL. >> LET ME ASK ANOTHER QUESTION. >> OKAY. >> WHAT IF IT'S A BUSINESS THAT JUST OPENED UP IN THE CITY AND DOWN THE STREET FROM CITY HALL AND THEY PASS OUT FREE FOOD BECAUSE THEY WANT YOU TO START ATTENDING THEIR BUSINESS? IS THAT A PROBLEM? >> WELL, IT MIGHT BE A QUID PRO QUO. WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT. I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS WHEN I DID THE TRAINING THAT DEALT SPECIFICALLY WITH VENDORS. SO YOU JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE THERE'S NO QUID PRO QUO. IF THEY WANT YOU SIMPLY TO TASTE THEIR FOOD AND THEY ARE NOT A VENDOR YET, THEN TECHNICALLY THERE'S NO PROHIBITION. IF THEY ARE JUST GETTING THE WORD OUT. IF THEY ARE SPECIFICALLY TARGETING YOU BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GET A CONTRACT AND THEY ARE GIVING YOU FREE FOOD TO GET THAT CD AND NOT WANTING YOU TO TASTE THEIR FOOD TO SEE HOW DELICIOUS IT IS TO GET THE CONTRACT, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE KIND OF A COMPREHENSIVE ANALYSIS. SO IT'S REALLY GOING TO -- I'M GOING TO REALLY FOCUS ON IF I WERE LOOKING AT THAT ON THE INTENT OF THE RESTAURANT AND THEN THE RESPONSE FROM THE EMPLOYEE. SO YOU CAN'T -- THERE'S NO QUID PRO QUOS AS I SAID. SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE REASONING BEHIND IT AND IF IT WORKS, RIGHT. IF IT WORKS ON THE EMPLOYEE. SO IF THE EMPLOYEE TAKES ALL THE FREE FOOD AND THEN GIVES THEM THE CONTRACT, THAT WAS PROBABLY A QUID PRO QUO WHICH WOULD BE THERE'S NO WAY TO GET AROUND THAT AS A PROHIBITED GIFT. ALL RIGHT. SO THE ANSWER HERE IS NO, THE PUBLIC EMPLOYEE CANNOT ACCEPT THAT GIFT FOR COMPLETING A TASK THAT THEIR PUBLIC EMPLOYER EMPLOYS THEM TO DO UNLESS IT MEETS THE ONE EXCEPTION WHICH IN THIS CASE I DON'T THINK LIBRARIANS TYPICALLY GET TIPS. IF IT IS A FRE FREQUENT FLYER TE LIBRARY AND AT THE END OF THE YEAR, THAT CITIZEN DROPS OFF A $50 GIFT CARD AND SAYS THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING A GREAT LIBRARIAN. WHAT ABOUT THAT? I THINK THAT'S OKAY. IT'S NOT FOR A SPECIFIC ACT, RIGHT? IT'S JUST FOR BEING A GREAT LIBRARIAN. YOU MIGHT NOT WANT TO ACCEPT IT, RIGHT. YOU MIGHT SAY TO YOURSELF I'M GOING TO PUT THIS IN THE CITY KITTY, RIGHT. BUT COULD YOU ACCEPT THAT IF -- LET'S JUST SAY UNDER THE CODE. YEAH, THE ANSWER IS YES, YOU COULD. THERE'S NO PROHIBITION AGAINST THIS. SO THIS IS JUST ONE OF THOSE THINGS WE REALLY WANT YOU TO GO THROUGH THE ANALYSIS. AGAIN, THIS MAY NOT PASS NUMBER FOUR. THIS MAY NOT PASS NUMBER FOUR OF THE FOUR-STEP PROCESS BUT MAYBE IT IS. THERE IS NO TECHNICAL PROHIBITION. MANY PLACES, MOST PLACES, IN FACT, WILL SAY WE HAVE A POLICY AND WE JUST PUT IT IN A JOINT THING AND THEN WE USE IT AT THE END OF THE YEAR FOR A CITY PARTY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THAT'S A REALLY EASY WAY TO DEAL WITH THAT TYPE OF A THING. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? WHAT ABOUT THIS. CITY EMPLOYEES ATTENDING A CONFERENCE ON BEHALF OF THE CITY. THE ATTENDANCE AT THE CONFERENCE AND THE HOTEL STAY WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY AND PAID FOR BY THE CITY. DOES THIS NEED TO BE REPORTED, MAYOR PENSERGA? WE ALREADY ANSWERED THIS, RIGHT. NO, IT DOESN'T. AS LONG AS IT'S A CITY FUNCTION, NO, DEFINITELY NOT. NOBODY WOULD EVER GO TO A CONFERENCE IF YOU HAD TO REPORT IT AS A GIFT. SO THIS IS ONE OF THE EXCEPTIONS. SO LET'S SAY YOU INADVERTENTLY ACCEPTED A GIFT VALUED AT GREATER THAN $100 FROM A PROHIBITED SOURCE AND VICE MAYOR KELLEY WON'T TAKE THE SEAHAWKS TICKETS FROM YOU. AND MAYOR PENSERGA, NOW YOU REALIZE THAT I AM A VENDOR WITH THE CITY AND YOU DON'T WANT THOSE TICKETS. YOU HAVEN'T GONE TO THE GAME YET. WHAT DO YOU DO? >> MAYOR: GIVE THEM BACK. >> GIVE THEM BACK. ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER OPTIONS? YOU COULD PAY BACK EVERYTHING OTHER THAN $100 BECAUSE YOU CAN ACCEPT UP TO $100 FROM A VENDOR OR A LOBBYIST. YOU CAN GIVE THEM BACK. YOU CAN PAY BACK THE MONEY WHICH IS WHAT I WAS SAYING ABOUT THE 90 DAYS ON STATE REPORTERS. IF YOU DID INADVERTENTLY ACCEPT THOSE TICKETS BUT THEN YOU REPORTED THEM BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT AND FOR TRANSPARENCY YOU WERE REPORTING THEM, WE WOULD SAY, HEY, YOU CAN'T DO THAT, RHONDA GEIGER IS A VENDOR. AT THAT POINT, YOU JUST PAY BACK $500 AND YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A GIFT VIOLATION. THAT IS ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF BEING A 90-DAY REPORTER BECAUSE 90 DAYS IS A CURE PERIOD FOR THIS. OKAY? ALL RIGHT. CHARITABLE SOLICITATIONS. SO I ASKED THIS QUESTION BUT I'M JUST GOING TO ANSWER IT. THERE WAS A TIME IN THE CODE WHERE THEY WERE PROHIBITED BUT NOW CHARITABLE SOLICITATIONS HAVE AN EXCEPTION BECAUSE THE CHARITIES ARE THE ONES THAT WERE BEING PENALIZED BY THIS BY NOT BEING ABLE TO COLLECT ON THEIR BEHALF. SO NOW AN EMPLOYER OFFICIAL MAY SOLICIT DONATIONS FROM A VENDOR OR LOBBYIST OF THEIR PUBLIC ORGANIZATION -- OR PUBLIC EMPLOYER I'M SORRY ON BEHALF OF A NON-PROFIT CHARITABLE INSTITUTION AS LONG AS THEY FILE A CHARITABLE SOLICITATION LOG AND DON'T SOLICIT ANYONE WHO IS A VENDOR. YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO FEEL OBLIGED TO DONATE SO THEY GET A CONTRACT. IN THE INTEREST OF TRANSPARENCY, WE DO NOT SOLICIT FROM ANYBODY WITH A CURRENT BID OR PROPOSAL STILL OUTSTANDING. >> MAYOR, I HAVE A QUESTION REAL QUICK. >> MAYOR: SURE. IS THAT YOU? COMMISSIONER, GO AHEAD. >> YEAH. RHONDA, THANK YOU SO MUCH. >> SURE. >> FOR BEING HERE. AND I AGREE WITH YOU, [INAUDIBLE] IS A GREAT ORGANIZATION AND THEY DID A LOT OF GREAT STUFF AND IT'S AWESOME TO SEE THEM GROW. QUICK QUESTION. >> FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT IF THERE WAS LIKE A COLLABORATIVE EVENT LIKE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY DOING A BUILD FOR SOMEONE, RIGHT. THEY PARTNER WITH THE CITY, BUT THEY PROVIDE T-SHIRTS OR LIKE A SWAG BAG. TECHNICALLY, THEY ARE A VENDOR OF THE CITY. SO IF THAT AMOUNT IS GREATER THAN I GUESS $100, IS THAT A VIOLATION BECAUSE WE'RE DOING A COLLABORATIVE EVENT? IT'S KIND OF A GRAY AREA IT SEEMS LIKE. IS THERE A WAY YOU CAN -- >> YEAH. I MEAN I CAN ELABORATE JUST TO THE EXTENT I CAN WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT THEIR CAPACITY AS A VENDOR -- WHAT IS THEIR CAPACITY AS A VENDOR, WHAT ARE THE PARAMETERS OF THIS. AS I SAID, SOMETIMES THINGS LIKE THAT ARE WRITTEN INTO A CONTRACT SO THINGS COME FROM THE CITY INSTEAD OF FROM THE AGENCY. I HIGHLY SUSPECT THAT HABITAT FOR HUMANITY IS NOT GIVING AWAY OVER $100 WORTH OF STUFF. YOU CAN STILL ACCEPT UP TO $100 FROM SOMEBODY WHO IS A VENDOR. THEM BEING A NON-PROFIT DOESN'T MAKE THEM NOT A VENDOR. >> OKAY. >> SO WE'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH -- I WOULD JUST HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE ANALYSIS WITH THE ITEMS OR THE GIFTS OR THOSE -- AND LOOK AT THE NATURE OF THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITY. >> OKAY, PERFECT. AND THEN JUST TO CLARIFY, I THINK YOU MENTIONED THIS EARLIER, IF THERE'S LIKE A SWAG BAG THAT'S PROVIDED FROM THE CRA OF THE CITY, THAT'S PART OF OUR DUTY, RIGHT. THAT IS NOT A VIOLATION, I'M ASSUMING. >> WHO IS IT PROVIDED FROM? WHO GAVE IT TO YOU? >> LET'S SAY THE CITY OR THE CRA. >> REDEVELOPMENT, COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT ASSOCIATION WHICH IS PART OF THE CITY. >> THE CITY, SO ACCEPTING A GIFT FROM YOUR EMPLOYER IS FINE. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT'S NOT REPORTABLE. SO IF IT WAS -- >> RIGHT. >> A DIAMOND RING, YOU'D PROBABLY HAVE TO REPORT IT UNLESS IT WAS A REALLY BAD DIAMOND RING. >> WISH I WAS GETTING DIAMOND RINGS. >> SO YOU'RE STILL GOING TO WANT TO LOOK AT THE $100 THRESHOLD. >> RIGHT, OKAY, GOT IT. EVEN IF IT IS FROM WITHIN THE CITY OR THE BOYNTON BEACH CRA -- >> YEAH. >> IT IS REPORTABLE. >> YEAH. >> PERFECT. THANKS FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. >> SURE. OKAY. PRETTY GOOD ON THE CHARITABLE SOLICITATIONS? WE'RE QUICKLY GOING TO COVER THESE OTHER ISSUES AND I'LL LET YOU GUYS GET ON WITH YOUR CITY BUSINESS. WE'RE GOING TO TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT TRAVEL EXPENSES FROM A VENDOR, DISCLOSURE OF INSIDE INFORMATION, NEPOTISM AND THEN WHONESTY IN APPLICATIONS. THESE ARE FOUR LITTLE-KNOWN SECTIONS OF THE CODE. PER THE NORM, WE TAKE AWAY AND THEN WE'LL GIVE IT RIGHT BACK. SO OFFICIALS AND EMPLOYEES ARE PROHIBITED FROM ACCEPTING TRAVEL EXPENSES DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY FROM ANY CONTRACTOR OR VENDOR OR PROPOSER OF THEIR PUBLIC EMPLOYER OR PUBLIC ENTITY, EXCEPT IF IT'S WAIVED BY YOUR GOVERNING BODY OR IF THE EXPENSES ARE REIMBURSED OR PAID BY ANOTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY OR AN ORGANIZATION WITH WHICH YOUR EMPLOYER HAS A RELATIONSHIP. SO WHAT I WOULD SAY HERE IS IF YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS BUYING ALL NEW SPEED MEASURING DEVICES AND WHOEVER IS PRODUCING THOSE SPEED MEASURING DEVICES WANTS TO FLY SOME PEOPLE OUT AND TRAIN THEM TO CALIBRATE AND RUN AND REPAIR THOSE SPEED MEASURING DEVICES, TYPICALLY -- I MEAN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PROHIBITIONS, IT SAYS NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. BUT WHO WOULD WE PREFER IS PAYING THE COST OF ALL THAT TRAVEL? WOULD WE PREFER YOU GUYS PAID THAT? OR WOULD YOU PREFER THE VENDOR DID? SO ALL YOU HAVE TO DO HERE IS -- OBVIOUSLY, WE WOULD PREFER THE VENDOR. I'LL ANSWER THE QUESTION. BUT WE WOULD PREFER THAT THE VENDOR DID THAT. SO JUST GET THAT APPROVED IN ADVANCE. IT JUST HAS TO BE DONE IN SLANS BY THE GOVERNING BODY. AND THEN IT'S FINE. SO IT'S NO PROBLEM AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T COME BACK AFTER THE FACT. OKAY? AND THEN DISCLOSURE OF INSIDE INFORMATION. >> I'M SORRY. THIS CAME UP. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE LAST SLIDE? >> SURE. >> WE HAD AN ISSUE COME UP WITH REGARD TO WE ARE A MEMBER OF THE LEAGUE OF CITIES. AND THEY HOST QUARTERLY OR MONTHLY LUNCHEONS. IS IT APPROPRIATE FOR THE CITY TO HOST A LUNCHEON -- IT'S NOW OUR TURN -- FOR THE LEAGUE OF CITIES WITH PUBLIC DOLLARS IF WE ARE A MEMBER OF THAT? >> I DON'T KNOW THAT I CAN ANSWER WITH RESPECT TO THE APPROPRIATENESS OF IT. >> OKAY. >> IF YOU ARE A MEMBER. >> THERE'S NO ETHICAL VIOLATION. >> I DON'T SEE AN ETHICAL VIOLATION JUST GIVEN THOSE FACTS. >> THANK YOU. >> IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S JUST -- IT'S JUST YOUR TURN. >> CORRECT. >> THE MUNICIPALITIES ALL TAKE TURNS HOSTING THAT LUNCH. AND BOYNTON BEACH -- >> AND IT'S WORK RELATED. >> HOSTS NOVEMBER. >> OF COURSE. >> THAT'S THE OTHER THING TO REMEMBER, WHEN THINGS ARE WORK-RELATED, WHEN YOU ARE WORKING, IT'S NOT A GIFT. I MEAN IT'S A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PARAMETER. IT'S NOT AN EVENT OR SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF YOUR -- I MEAN THAT IS WORK-RELATED. >> OKAY, THANK YOU. >> OKAY. SO PROHIBITION AGAINST USING INFORMATION THAT IS GAINED THROUGH YOUR PUBLIC EMPLOYMENT OR OFFICIAL POSITION FOR YOUR PERSONAL BENEFIT OR THE PERSONAL BENEFIT OF ANY ENTITY. IF THAT INFORMATION IS NOT YET AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. SO YOU CAN'T USE INFORMATION THAT OTHER PEOPLE DON'T KNOW FOR YOUR PERSONAL GAIN, JUST TO SIMPLIFY. SO LET'S LOOK AT THE PERNICIOUS PLANNER. A STAFF MEMBER HAS DRAFTED SEVERAL OPTIONS FOR THE EXTENSION OF A MAJOR ROAD AND SHE EVENTUALLY REALIZES THAT THE COMMISSION, WHILE THEY HAVEN'T ANNOUNCED IT YET, THEY HAVE INFORMALLY SELECTED AN OPTION BUT THAT INFORMATION IS NOT JUST AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. MAY SHE PURCHASE THAT LAND? MAY SHE TELL HER LITTLE SISTER TO PURCHASE THAT LAND? MAY SHE TELL HER LITTLE SISTER'S BEST FRIEND'S COUSIN TO PURCHASE THAT LAND? SHE MAY NOT -- YOU GUYS ARE RIGHT. SHE MAY NOT TELL ANYBODY. YOU CANNOT DISCLOSE THAT. WE CANNOT USE OUR EMPLOYMENT OR POSITIONS AS ELECTED OFFICIALS FOR PERSONAL GAIN, PERIOD. WE JUST CAN'T DO THAT. SO THE ANSWER IS NO. >> MAYOR: RHONDA, COULD I ASK IF IT IS THEN DISCUSSED IN A PUBLIC MEETING, WILL THAT THEN NO LONGER BE PRIVATE INFORMATION? >> IT DOESN'T VIOLATE THE DISCLOSURE OF INSIDE INFORMATION. WHETHER OR NOT IT IS PRUDENT, IT DOESN'T VIOLATE THE SECTION ONCE IT'S PUBLIC INFORMATION. >> MAYOR: I'M NOT SAYING IT'S PRUDENT EITHER. >> YOU JUST CAN'T USE INFORMATION THAT'S NOT YET AVAILABLE TO OTHER PEOPLE. >> HEY, RHONDA. >> YEAH. >> IF THE COUNCIL HAS PUT A TIME LIMIT, SAY THREE YEARS -- IF I KNOW A PIECE OF LAND AND WE HAVE SAID YOU CAN'T MOVE ON THAT AT LEAST FOR WHATEVER THE TIME LIMIT IS, AT THAT POINT, WOULD I BE VIOLATING -- >> IS IT PUBLIC INFORMATION? I MEAN THE PRECURSOR HERE IS WHETHER OR NOT THE INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE. >> THIS IS PUBLIC INFORMATION. IT WAS ANY A COMMISSION MEETING. >> YEAH. AGAIN, IT DOESN'T VIOLATE. WHETHER OR NOT IT'S PRUDENT, I COULDN'T SPEAK TO THAT. BUT IT DOESN'T VIOLATE THE DISCLOSURE OF INSIDE INFORMATION. OKAY? NEPOTISM, EMPLOYEES AND OFFICIALS WHO ARE AUTHORIZED TO PROMOTE OR ADVANCE AN EMPLOYEE ARE PROHIBITED FROM DOING SO AND ADVOCATING FOR ANY OF THOSE IF THAT PERSON IS A CLOSE FAMILY RELATIVE, SPOUSE OR DOMESTIC PARTNER. AND AGAIN, THE DEFINITION OF FAMILY, RELATIVE, CLOSE FAMILY RELATIVE IS DEFINED. SO JUST KNOW THAT THIS IS -- THIS DOES COME UP FROM TIME TO TIME. APPOINT, EMPLOY, PROMOTE OR ADVANCE YOU CAN'T DO IF THAT PERSON IS A FAMILY MEMBER. THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY COULDN'T WORK IN THE SAME CITY. DOESN'T MEAN THEY CAN'T WORK IN THE SAME DEPARTMENT. IT JUST MEANS YOU CAN'T ADVOCATE FOR ANY OF THOSE FOUR THINGS OR DO ANY OF THOSE FOUR THINGS. EXCEPT FOR WITH CERTAIN ADVISORY BOARDS BUT THIS DOESN'T APPLY HERE BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE NOT PARTNER. AGAIN THE DEFINITION OF FAMILY,  RELATIVE, CLOSE FAMILY RELATIVE  IS DEFINED. JUST KNOW THAT THIS DOES COME UP FROM TIME TO TIME. APP APPOINT, EMPLOY, PROMOTE OR  ADVANCE ANYONE IF THAT PERSON IS IN YOUR FAMILY. IT JUST MEANS YOU CAN'T ADVOCATE FOR ANY CLOSE FOUR THINGS  >> HONESTY AND APPLICATIONS. ANY PERSON OR SEEKING A  PROMOTION WITH THEIR OR  MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT PROHIBITED  FROM LYING OR MAKING ANY FALSE  STATEMENT ON THEIR APPLICATION. SO I THINK THAT VETTING PROCESS  ON NEW EMPLOYEES IS PRETTY  GREAT. I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT IN  GENERAL. THIS GOES THE SAME. IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET A  PROMOTION. IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET A  CONTRACT DON'T SAY YOU DID  SOMETHING YOU HAVEN'T DONE. YOU ARE OBLIGATED TO COMPLY WITH THE ETHICS. AND THEN FINALLY THE ENFORCEMENT DEPONT. I KNOW EVERYBODY WAS HAS BEEN  WONDERING. WE ARE A CIVIL CODE ENFORCEMENT  BOARD. SO THERE'S NO ETHICS JAIL. WE CAN ISSUE A LETTER OF  INSTRUCTION OR REPRIMAND. WE DO THAT QUITE FREQUENTLY. WE CAN FINE UP IF THERE'S R RECIDIVIST BEHAVIOR. AND WE CAN ASK FORREST  SUBSTITUTION IF NECESSARY. IT FEELS LIKE THAT THE CODE  VIOLATIONS ARE NOT SPENDINGS  NULL AND PEOPLE ARE REALLY  TRYING. PEOPLE ARE MAKING GOOD EFFORTS. SO MANY OF THESE END UP WITH A  LETTER OF INSTRUCTION. SAY THIS HAPPENED. JUST DON'T DO IT AGAIN. WE'RE REMINDING PEOPLE WE'RE  HERE AND WE'RE KEEPING AN EYE ON EVERYTHING. >> ADDITIONALLY, IF THERE IS  CRIMINAL CONDUCT WITH WHATEVER  WE RUN ACROSS VIOLATIONS CAN BE  AND WILL BE REPORTED TO THE  STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S AND  HAVE BEEN AND MAY SOMETIMES BE  CONVICTED OF A CRIME F THAT EVEN IF YOU GET BIAS, IF THE STATE  ATTORNEY YOU STILL CAN BE  PUNISHED BY YOUR AGENCY. THERE CAN BE REPERCUSSIONS FROM  YOUR INDIVIDUAL AGENCY. AND ONE THING I TOO WANT TO SAY  WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ENFORCEMENT,  AND YOU KNOW MAYOR, I HEARD YOU  TALKING ABOUT CIVILITY WHEN YOU  OPENED UP THE MEETING. WE HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC CODE OF  ETHICS WE CAN ENFORCE. IT IS WE DON'T ENFORCE CIVILITY. THAT IS NOT PART WHAT I CAN  ENFORCE. I'VE COVERED THE MAJOR  COMPONENTS OF THIS. WE WASN'T WHETHER A PROHIBITED  ENTITY IS RECEIVING SOME A  SPECIAL FINANCIAL BENEFIT. THINGES THAT YOU PEOPLE MAY  THINK THAT THEY DON'T LIKE TO  SEE DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY MAKE  IT AN ETHICS VIOLATION. BUT UNLESS THEY VIOLATE THE CODE THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH WE CAN  DO ABOUT THAT. IF YOU DO REACH OUT TO US WE ASK THAT YOU READ THROUGH THE CODE  AND HELP IDENTIFY WHICH ELEMENT  OF THE CODE IS BEING VIOLATED. WE DO HAVE ENFORCEMENT CAPACITY  BUT IT IS LIMITED TO THE LAW. WE CAN'T GO OUTSIDE THE LAW. DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ANYBODY HERE? >> THANKS. >> WE HAD A QUESTION. >> OF COURSE YOU DO. >> IT NOT REALLY. IT'S ACTUALLY AN UPDATE. I READ SOMETHING PASSED IN THE  STATE THAT YOU ARE NO LONGER  ACCEPTING UNANIMOUS COMPLAINTS. >> IT'S IN EFFECT NOW. IT WAS JUNE. IT WENT INTO EFFECT WHEN IT GOT  PASSED WHICH IS LIKE JUNE 20  SOMETHING. SO WE CAN'T FILE ANONYMOUS  COMPLAINTS. WHAT USED TO HAPPEN, IS WE LOOK  AT INFORMATION. WE WOULD CONDUCT A PLIM INQUIRY. WE WOULD FILE A SELF-INITIATED  COMPLAINTS. WE CAN NO LAONGER FILE THOSE  SE SELF-INITIATED COMPLAINTS. SAY TO OURSELVES IT LOOKS LIKE  THERE'S AN ETHICS VIOLATION  HERE. HERE'S THE INFORMATION WE HAVE  GATHERED. IF YOU WANT TO FILE A COMPLAINT  LIKE THIS GO AHEAD. WE CAN'T DO IT ANYMORE. THAT'S THE SITUATION WE'RE IN. >> ALL RIGHT. >> ANYTHING ELSE FROM MY  COLLEAGUES. >> YES. I DO HAVE A FEW ITEMS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE. AS FAR AS I GUESS A WORKSHOP AND THE COMMISSION MEETING, UNDER  THE SAME RULES IS THAT CORRECT. LIKE THIS IS A WORKSHOP. >> I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING  ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SUNSHINE  LAW AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT'S NOT OUT OF MY --  >> NOT NECESSARILY. WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS, IS  THAT I THINK WE NEED SOME  CLARIFICATION ON NOTES THAT ARE  WRITTEN DOWN ON PAPER, IT'S  PUBLIC RECORD. DO YOU DO DEAL WITH THAT TYPE OF TYPE --  >> WE DON'T DEAL WITH PUBLIC  RECORDS.  WE DON'T HAVE ANY  ENFORCEMENT CAPACITY WHEN  DEALING WITH PUBLIC RECORDS. >> DO YOU DEAL WITH  CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN TWO  INDIVIDUALS AND NOT THE REST OF  THE --  >> UNLESS IT VIOLATED THE CODE  NO, IT WOULD NOT FALL. >> THE CODE OFFED LOW-DENSITY  RESIDENTIAL ETHICS. >> ONLY IF IT DID. I CAN'T THINK OF A SITUATION IT  WOULD BE UNLESS THERE'S SOME  SPECIAL FINANCIAL BENEFIT  ATTACHED TO IT. I CAN'T SEE HOW THAT WOULD  VIOLATE THE CODE OF ETHICS. AND COMMISSIONER IF YOU KNOW MY  OFFICE CAN PUT TOGETHER A  GENERAL TRAINING -- WHETHER YOU  GUYS WANT TO DO ANOTHER WORKSHOP TRAINING OR PUT TOGETHER A MEMO  REGARDING SUNSHINE, AND PUBLIC  RECORDS. THAT'S SOMETHING MY OFFICE WOULD TAKE CARE OF. WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT THAT NOUL. BECAUSE IT'S NOT ON THE SPECIAL  MEETING. WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT EFRLEDS YOU AND I. YOU TELL ME WHATEVER YOU WANT  AND I WILL MAKE IT HAPPEN. >> I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. >> OKAY. >> WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS HOW WE BEHAVE UP HERE ON THE DAIS. I'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR A COUPLE  OF SEASONS. I FEEL THERE'S ACCORDING TO THE  TRAINING I HAD PREVIOUSLY UNLESS IT'S BEEN CHANGED, CONVERSATION  THAT GOES ON UP HERE BETWEEN TWO COMMISSIONERS, STAFF AND OTHER  COMMISSIONERS OR WHOMEVER, AND  THE REST OF US DON'T KNOW WHAT  THAT CONVERSATION WAS ALL ABOUT. WE HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW WHEN  WE'RE UP HERE SITTING ON THE  DAIS. WHAT'S GOING ON, WHAT'S BEING  SAID. DO YOU HAVE THAT UNDERSTANDING? >> UNFORTUNATELY, I'D LIKE TO  DISCUSS THIS WITH YOU. >> OKAY. AND I'M NOT TRYING TO NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION. I'D REALLY LIKE TO ANSWER THE  QUESTION. MY ONLY CONCERN WITH REGARD TO A SPECIAL MEETING WE HAVE TO ONLY  TALK ABOUT WHAT IS ON THE  AGENDA. BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT ALL YOU WANT ON AUGUST 6TH OR IN PERSON  OR HOWEVER YOU WOULD LIKE FOR  THAT TO HAPPEN. >> I'LL DO THAT. >> OKAY. WHEN WE ADD THINGS TO THE  AGENDA, THOSE THINGS ARE NOT --  >> THAT'S AT A REGULAR PUBLIC  AGENDA MEETING. THIS IS A SPECIAL WORKSHOP SO  THE RULES ARE SLIGHTLY  DIFFERENT. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> ANYTHING ELSE. COMMISSIONER HAY. >> LET ME LAST CALL FROM MY  COLLEAGUES. SEEING NOTHING ELSE, THANK YOU  SO MUCH FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU GUYS. >> THANK YOU. >> ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE ON WITH  THE MEETING THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IT SAYS DISCUSSION  REGARDING THE SECOND DATE OF THE COMMISSION MEETING IN SEPTEMBER. THAT IS ALREADY SCHEDULED FOR  SEPTEMBER 17th. HOWEVER IT FALLS AS THE IECD  THAT'S THE INTERNATIONAL  ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL. LET ME TURN TO MY COLLEAGUES. THERE ARE DATES THAT ARE  COMFORTABLE WITH. STAFF DID YOU HAVE A  RECOMMENDATION. I'M ASSUMING THE FOLLOWING  TUESDAY. >> WAS THERE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS OR REQUESTS. >> I REQUEST THAT WE DO IT ON  THE 16th. >> MAYOR. >> WHEN I SPOKE TO INTERIM  FINANCE DIRECTOR HE MENTIONED IF THE MEETING WOULD STILL NEED TO  FALL IN THAT WEEK. IT NEEDS TO FALL ON THE WEEK OF  THE 16th. >> COULD BE THE WEEK BEFORE. >> Mayor: LET'S DO THE WEEK  BEFORE. AND WE'LL BE GONE FOR THAT WEEK. OBVIOUSLY IT HAS TO BE. >> ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE  9th. >> Mayor: THE WEEK OF THE 9th  AND WE HAVE THE CRA MEETING ON  THE 10TH. >> THAT'S FINE WITH ME. MY QUESTION THE TIMING OF OTHER  THINGS. STAFF WILL FIGURE IT OUT. WHAT ABOUT THE THURSDAY? >> THE 12th. >> DOES THAT WORK FOR EVERYBODY? >> LET ME CHECK MY CALENDAR AS  WELL. >> IN THE MEANTIME LET ME KNOW  IF IT DOES OR DOES NOT WORK. RIGHT NOW THE 12th. SEPTEMBER 12th. COMMISSIONER CRUZ. IS THAT GOOD FOR EVERYBODY. >> I'M FINE WITH THAT. >> COMMISSIONER. >> YES. >> Mayor: LEFT. SEPTEMBER 12th. WITH THAT IS A THURSDAY. WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THAT DATE. WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSSION  REQUEST TO SCHEDULE A SHADE  MEETING PURSUANT TO LOTS OF  CODE. 28 286.011 PRESENT 8). >> WE ARE CURRENTLY IN  LITIGATION WITH EAST BOYNTON  BEACH, AND IS VERY, VERY  SPECIFIC. WHEN THE CITY ATTORNEY NEEDS  DIRECTION AS TO LITIGATION  STRATEGY OR WITH REGARD TO  LITIGATION -- IMTIONS LETED ME  REPHRASE. REGARD TO SETTLEMENT OR WITH  REGARD TO REDUCING LITIGATION  EXPENDITURES. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE I NEED  TO DISCUSS WITH THE  COMMISSIONERS IN A CLOSED DOOR  HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH  REGARD TO THE LETGATION  EXPENDITURES. SO I'M REQUESTING A SHADE  MEETING. >> Mayor: DO YOU HAVE DATES. >> I WOULD PREFER TO DO IT  AUGUST 6TH OR AS SOON AS  POSSIBLE. >> ARE YOU WANTING TO DO IT  BEFORE THE COMMISSION MEETING. >> YES. AND I BELIEVE WE CAN -- IT  SHOULD TAKE NO MORE THAN AN  HOUR. SO I MEAN WE CAN EITHER BEGIN  THE MEETING AND THEN WE ANNOUNCE OUR SHADE MEETING AND WE GO AND  HAVE OUR SHADE MEETING AND THEN  COME BACK. WHETHER WE WANTED TO START THE  MEETING A LITTLE EARLIER TO  ACCOMMODATE YOUR SCHEDULES. BUT I KNOW YOU ALL WORK. MAYOR MIRE I JUST WANT TO MAKE  SURE MY COLLEAGUES ARE NOT  RUSHING DOWN THE HIGHWAY TO GET  HERE. I'M COMFORTABLE EITHER WAY. WE MIGHT STICK TO THE 6:00 TIME. AND WE MOVE OUT TO OUR CLOSED  DOOR SESSION. IF THE REST OF YOU ARE WILLING  TO COME EARLIER  >> VICE MAYOR. >> I KNOW I HAVE THE AGENDA FOR  AUGUST 6TH WAS POSED TODAY. IS IT HOW HEAVY IS THAT AGENDA  WHERE WE STARTED A SHADE MEETING AT 6  >> GIVEN THE SUBSTANCE OF WHAT  WE HAVE TO DISCUSS IN THE SHADE  MEETING I DON'T PERCEIVE ANYMORE NEAR AN HOUR. BUT I WOULD SAY THAT THE MEETING IS GOING TO BE PRETTY LONG. >> IF THE MEMBERS CAN DO THAT. I'M FINE WITH STARTING AT 6. >> YEAH. >> Mayor: THANK YOU FOR THAT. COMMIS COMMISSIONERS, ADVICE MAYOR  SUGGESTED STARTING AT 5:30. IT DEPENDS ON WHO WHO HAVE DRIVE TIME. >> I'M OKAY WITH THAT 5:30. I'M OKAY WITH 6:00. I CAN BE FLEXIBLE. WHATEVER THE CONSENSUS. WHATEVER IS EASIEST FOR EVERYONE ELSE. >> Mayor: ALL RIGHT. >> AUGUST 6TH AT 5:30. >> 5:30 ON THE SIXTH. I'M GOOD. >> Mayor: COMMISSIONER CRUZ DID  YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE EITHER  WAY. >> I WOULD LIKE TO GET HERE BY  5:30. BUT I DON'T WANT TO TAKE THE  CHANCE. BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC FROM WEST  PALM. I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH  6:00. >> Mayor: LET'S PROCEED WITH  6:00. I DON'T WANT ANYONE RUSHING DOWN THE HIGHWAY  >> NOW WE'LL REPUBLISH THE  AGENDA TOMORROW. >> Mayor: ALL RIGHT. >> THANK YOU. >> Mayor: WE'LL CIRCLE BACK TO  THAT. THE NEXT ITEM IS 3C. DISCUSSION REGARDING -- COUNSEL, WAS THAT THE END. >> YES, WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING. I APOLOGIZE. >> Mayor: 3C DISCUSSION  REGARDING PROCESS FOR PRESENTING PROPOSED ORDINANCES TO THE CITY  COMMISSION. THE STAFF IS LOOKING FOR  DIRECTION WHAT THE PROCESS  SHOULD BE WHEN THE STAFF  PRESENTS PROPOSED ORDINARY MUNSS FOR CONSIDERATION. I WAS NOT HERE LAST MEETING. I KNOW YOU BRIEFLY DISCUSSED  THIS. WHOEVER BROUGHT IT UP. >> WE DIDN'T NECESSARILY DISCUSS ORDINANCES AT THE LAST MEETING. MY OFFICE NEEDS SOME DIRECTION  FROM THE COMMISSION BECAUSE MY  OFFICE HAS IDENTIFIED 18  ORDINANCES THAT ARE CURRENTLY  EITHER UNCONSTITUTIONAL OR  DEPARTMENTS HAVE ASKED US TO  CHANGE BECAUSE IT NO LAONGER  WORKS FOR THE DEPARTMENT AND/OR  THE STATE HAS PREEMPTED THE  STATUTE AND THEREFORE IT NEEDS  TO BE REPEALED. WITH REGARD TO SOME ORDINANCES  THAT ARE JUST MAYBE A RESOLUTION HAS BEEN PASSED AND IT REALLY  SHOULDN'T BE A RESOLUTION. IT SHOULD BE AN ORDINANCE. SO MY -- ABL MY JOB RIGHT IS TO  CLEAN THOSE THINGS UP FOR THE  CITY AND THEN YOU GUYS YOU VOTE  ON IT. BUT I OBVIOUSLY AM NOT TRYING TO STEP ON ANYONE'S TOES IN REGARD  TO BEING BROUGHT FORWARD. I JUST WANT SOME CLEAR  DISCUSSION SO THAT IT DOESN'T  LOOK LIKE I'M AT THE POINTING ON YOUR TOES. BECAUSE I'M CERTAINLY NOT TRYING TO DO THAT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME THERE ARE  CERTAIN THING. I DO THERE ARE TWO ORDINANCES  THAT ARE ABSOLUTELY  CONSTITUTIONAL AND THAT NEED TO  BE REPEALED. FOR EXAMPLE IN THAT SITUATION,  DIP KLEE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN I  WOULD PROPOSE REPEALING THE  ORDINANCE AND SUBSTITUTING IT  WITH A CONSTITUTIONALLY VALID  ORTEGA NONES. SO I JUST NEED DIRECTION GOING  FORWARD ON HOW YOU WANT ME AS  YOUR CITY ATTORNEY TO DO THOSE  THINGS. >> Mayor: THANK YOU COUNSEL. LET ME KICK OFF THE CONVERSATION AND OF COURSE I'LL TURN TO ALL  MY COLLEAGUES FOR THEIR INPUT. I KNOW THAT WE'VE ALL RECEIVED  EMAILS ABOUT THE PROPOSED WHAT  ARE WE CALLING PRE-AGENDA  WORKSHOP. >> AN AGENDA WORKSHOP. >> Mayor: THIS IS THE WORKSHOP  PRIOR TO CITY COMMISSION  MEETING. I THINK IF STAFF WANTS TO  PROPOSE TO SAND EXPLAIN WHAT TH  RAS NULL IS. YES WE'RE GENERALLY IN FAVOR OF  THIS PROCEED OR DON'T PROCEED OR GIVE INPUT IN SOME WAY TO  MODIFY. SO THAT WOULD OCCUR PRIOR TO THE ACTUAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING. THAT'S MY RECOMMENDATION. HOWEVER, THIS WAS BROUGHT --  THIS WAS TOUCHED ON. LET'S TURN TO MY COLLEAGUES IF  YOU HAVE THOUGHTS, SUGGESTIONS  OF HOW WE COULD PROCEED FORWARD. THAT'S MY SUGGESTION. >> MAYOR  >> COMMISSIONER, GO AHEAD. >> I JUST WANT TO COMPLETELY  AGREE WITH YOU. I THINK THAT IS THE PERFECT  OPPORTUNITY. IT ALLOWS STAFF TO PRESENT  SOMETHING, VERY TRANSPARENT WITH ALL OF US. WE CAN GET CONSCONSENSUS, AND I  THINK THAT'S THE MOST EFFECTIVE  WAY FOR THE TAXPAYERS AND THE  RESIDENTS ESPECIALLY WHEN THESE  A THESE THINGS CAN BE TIME  BOUND. AS A FINISH ELECTED THE  RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT. SO I DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO  HOLD OFF THAT COULD PUT THE CITY LIABLE. I'M DEFINITELY IN FIFR OF WHAT  YOU'RE PROPOSING. >> Mayor: FOR CLARITY FOR MY  COLLEAGUES AND FOR THE PUBLIC,  IF SO IF OUR EFFICIENTLY CITY  COMMISSION MEETINGS ARE ON THUS. THE DRAFT AGENDA THESE ADAL THAT YOU SEE ONLINE THEY ARE PRODUCED BY STAFF AND ONLY BY STAFF. THEY ARE PRODUCED ABOUT ONE WEEK BEFORE. AND THE PROPOSAL IS TO HAVE AN  AGENDA WORKSHOP ON A THURSDAY. THIS IS THE THURSDAY PRIOR TO  THE MEETING SO THEY PUBLISH  THEIR PROPOSED DRAFT. WE HAVE A WORKSHOP ON THURSDAY  TO GET OUR INPUT AND THEN IF  THERE ARE CHANGES WE CAN R REPUBLISH ON FRIDAY FOR EXAMPLE, AND SO THIS WAY THE PUBLIC GETS  AN UPDATED VERSION, AND THESE  WORKSHOPS ARE PUBLIC. IT WILL BE RECORDED. SO THE PUBLIC IS ABLE TO SEE  EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING. SO I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT  OUT THERE SO THERE'S  CLARIFICATION ON TIMELINE. LET'S HEAR FROM EVERYBODY  ELIMINATION. ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO CHIME IN. >> I'M OKAY WITH THAT. >> Mayor: ADVICE MARICOPA. >> WHEN WE MADE THE DECISION TO  BRING IN-HOUSE CITY ATTORNEY,  THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU AND  I HAD SPOKEN ABOUT, AND I KNOW  THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS VERY CLEAR. WE WANTED THAT CITY ATTORNEY TO  REVIEW ALL OF THOSE DOCUMENTS  AND MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING  EVERYTHING WE CAN TO PROTECT THE CITY AND PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS. SO I THANK YOU AND YOUR STAFF  FOR REALLY TAKING THE TIME TO  REVIEW ALL OF THE ORDINANCES AND ALL OF THE CODES AND EVERYTHING  AND BRING RECOMMENDATIONS. AND  SOMETIMES WE DON'T HAVE THE  LUXURY OF HAVING TIME ON OUR  SIDE AND JUST LIKE COMMISSIONER  TURKIN. WE DON'T WANT TO CONTINUE TO  HAVE THE CITY AT-RISK. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR TAKING  CHARGE OF THAT AND THEN COMING  TO US WITH RECOMMENDATION. WE ARE HERE AS PART-TIME, AND  YOU ARE THE PROFESSIONAL. YOU ARE THE ATTORNEY THAT HAS  HAD MANY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN  GOVERNMENT WORK, AND I KNOW THAT YOU ARE LOOKING OUT FOR THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY AND THE  RESIDENTS, AND SO I THANK YOU  FOR DOING THAT AND I AGREE THAT  I THINK PROBABLY IN THAT THE  WORKSHOP SETTING ONES THAT ARE  OBVIOUSLY MORE TIME SENSITIVE  SHOULD COME TO US SOONER RATHER  THAN LATER. CLEANING THESE UP AS NECESSARY. I'M FINE WITH DOING IT IN THE  WORKSHOP SETTING. I WOULD ENCOURAGE AND ONES THAT  ARE TIME SENSITIVE AND WE REALLY NEED TO JUMP ON WE JUMP ON THEM. AND NOT WAIT FOR THE WORKSHOP. BUT YOU KNOW IF SOMETHING HAS TO BE ADDED TO A MEETING, THEN I  DON'T WANT TO JUST DELAY IT JUST FOR THE SAKE OF THRAING IT. THAT'S WHAT YOUR JOB IS TO  PROTECT US, AND PROTECT THE  RESIDENTS AND SO I TRUST IF  YOU'RE BRINGING SOMETHING TO US  YOU'RE DOING IT BECAUSE IT'S IN  OUR BEST INTERESTS. THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS ON THAT. >> Mayor: THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. COMMISSIONER CRUZ. >> I DO AGREE IT WOULD BE GOOD  TO HAVE A SESSION WHERE WE  SPECIFY LIKE STAFF REQUESTS FOR  C CONSENSUS FOR FROM THE BOARD OR  WHATEVER. JUST SO THAT WE'RE AWARE AND TO  THE SEPARATE AREA. THAT IT'S NOT THE GENERAL AGENDA SO WE CAN DISCUSSION AND DECIDE  IF WE DO WANT TO MOVE FORWARD TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION OR NOT. THAT'S IT. >> Mayor: THANK YOU. I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE WHAT YOU  MEANT. I WILL SHARE WITH YOU  COMMISSIONER I HAD A  CONVERSATION EARLIER WITH OUR  ATTORNEYS. IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR ME AND SO WHEN THE PUBLIC SEES THAT  DRAFT AGENDA IT'S A DRAFT, IT IS NOT SOMETHING I'M PUTTING  FORWARD OR OUR PUTTING FORWARD  UNLESS IT IS ACTUALLITION. THERE'S BEEN MANY INSTANCES I DO NOT MAKE THE AGENDA. I DON'T HAVE HAVE ACCESS TO THE  COMPUTER PROGRAM THAT ALLOWS  STAFF TO DO THAT. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE  THERE'S CLARITY WHAT STAFF  PROPOSED VERSIONS COMMISSIONER  INITIATED. I THINK THERE'S AN EASY FIX FOR  IT. I'VE SEEN IN OTHER MUPPETS  AEROCITIES. INITIATED BY THIS DEPARTMENT. INITIATED BY SO-AND-SO. SO THERE'S SCBLIRT ON THAT. I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME PAM. THE ONLY THING PLEASE KEEP IN  MIND THAT THIS PROCESS AS WE TRY THIS OUT WE MAY HAVE HAVE TO  REFINE, AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS. WE MAY DISCOVER WE NEED MORE  TIME. WE'LL TAKE IT ONE STEP AT A  TIME. >> Mayor: GO AHEAD COMMISSIONER. FOR THIS AGENDA WORKSHOP THIS  WOULD BE A PRE- CURSOR SURF THE  AGENDA WITH THE PROPOSED  ORDINARY NUNS ORNCES OR ITEMS T  COMING FORWARD. >> IF NEEDED I WOULD STILL HAVE  THAT TIME TO HAVE AN AGENDA  REVIEW WITH STAFF. PERSONALLY I THINK THIS IS  GREAT. IT PREPARES ME. YOU GET MORE KNOWLEDGE, AND  WE'RE NOT GETTING EVERYTHING  PRIOR. WE CAN MAKE ADJUSTMENTS IF  NEEDED IN THE PUBLIC EYE. SO AND YOU HIT RIGHT ON THE HEAD AS WELL. >> Mayor: YOU HIT ON A GOOD  POINT AS WELL. BY HAVING THIS PRE-MEETING  WORKSHOP IT IS BY NO MEANS NOT  MY INTENT TO I DON'T THINK IT'S  ANYONE'S INTENT TO PREVENT YOU  FROM HAVING YOUR OWN PRIVATE  MEETINGS. DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO. FOR ME IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR ME FROM OUR OVERSIGHT ROLES  WE'RE ALL HEARING THE SAME  INFORMATION. QUITE FRANKLY IF YOU ASK A  QUESTION COMMISSIONER TURKIN OR  COMMISSIONER HAY BECAUSE I  DIDN'T KNOW YOU HAD ALREADY  ASKED THOSE QUESTIONS. THAT SHOULD BE HOPEFULLY MORE  EFFICIENTLY. THAT'S IT FOR ME. >> AGAIN BY HAVING THIS WORKSHOP WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION WHAT  WE'RE OKAY WITH, AND NOT OKAY  WITH. SO WE'LL REPUBLISH THAT REFLECTS THE WILL OF THE MAJOR TEAF. >> JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT THE  WORKSHOP. WE HAVE THE DRAFT AGENDA FOR  AUGUST 6TH. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS ON  THAT AGENDA. THAT WILL BE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMISSIONERS TO SAY I DON'T WANT THIS ON THE CRNS I WANT A  PRESENTATION ON THIS. SO IT GIVES CITY TAFF TO GIVE  YOU EXACTLY WHAT YOU NEED. IT GIVES CITY STAFF TIME TO  PREPARE THAT AS WELL. MAKING SURE YOU'RE GETTING WHAT  YOU NEED OR THERE'S A PROPOSED  ORDINANCE ON IT. AND YOU KNOW WE DON'T WANT TO DO THIS. AND WE CAN PULL THAT BEFORE THE  COMMISSION MEETING SO WE CAN  HAVE MORE EFFECTIVE USE OF OUR  CITY STAFF AND OUR RESOURCES. I REALLY HOPE IT WILL HELP US  COLLABORATE ON US BETTER. SO YOU WILL BE ABLE TO SPEAK  DIRECTLY TO THE STAFF ABOUT WHY  SOMETHING IS GOING FORWARD PRIOR TO THEM SHOWING UP IN THE  COMMISSION MEETING. >> Mayor: THANK YOU EVERYBODY. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE GOING WE  HAVE CONSENSUS. >> I HAVE SOMETHING ELSE. IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THESE  MEETINGS ON THURSDAY WHEN SHOULD THE AGENDA BE POSTED. >> THE DRAFT AGENDA WILL STILL  BE POSTED ON TUESDAY. BY DRAFT IT MEANS THIS IS WHAT  THE CITY STAFF IS PROPOSING. ON TUESDAY, YOU GUYS WILL FINAL  I HAD THE AGENDA AND BY FINALIZE I MEAN TAKING SOMETHING OFF,  MAYBE ADDING SOMETHING, MAYBE  PULLING SOMETHING FROM CONSENT  OR WANTING A PRESENTATION. AND THEN IT WILL BE ROW POSTED  ON FRIDAY AS THE FINAL AGENDA  FOR THE TUESDAY DATE. >> Mayor: SOUNDS GOOD. LET'S CONTINUE. THE NEXT ITEM 3D DISCUSSION OF  AGENDA FORMAT, PUBLIC COMMENT  AND COMMENT CARDS. LET ME JUST BEGIN BY SAYING --  I'M SORRY SIR, THIS IS A  COMMISSION MEETING. PUBLIC COMMENT AND COMMENT  CARDS. LET ME JUST BEGIN BY SAYING  THERE WAS A COMMUNITY MEETING  LAST NIGHT WHERE A SERIES OF  LIES WERE LODGED AGAINST ME. I HAVE A PRETTY THICK SKIN. NOT GOING TO MAKE MY MIND. ASK FOR THE RECEIPTS. CHECK FOR FURTHER SOURCES. WHAT ARE THEIR MOTIVATIONS. AS I'VE SAID HERE, AND THE MAYOR DOES NOT MAKE THE AGENDA. I DON'T HAVE HAVE ACCESS FOR THE SOFTWARE TO DO THAT. THE MAYOR DOES NOT HAVE  UNILATERAL POWER TO DO ANYTHING. IF I WANT TO GIVE FUNDS TO A  COMMUNITY GROUP I NEED. I WASN'T EVEN HERE. SO CHECK THE RECEIPTS, AND MAKE  SURE THAT YOUR INFORMATION IS  ACCURATE. SO TO MAKE THIS DISCUSSION  EASIER. LET ME COMMENT CARDS. I KNOW THIS HAS BEEN FLOATING IN THE ETHER FOR DISCUSSION. I'M INDIFFERENT. WHAT REALLY MATTERS WHAT THE  MAJORITY WANTS. AS STAFF DO YOU HAVE INTROTO  COMMENT CARDS OR AND SAY  GENERALLY WHAT IT'S UP. AND  >> SURE. SO IN ALMOST ALL JURISDICTIONS  OF OUR SIZE WHICH THEY HAVE  COMMENT CARDS. THE PURPOSE OF COMMENT CARDS IS  REALLY FOR LEGAL PURPOSES IN  CASE THERE'S EVER ANY CHALLENGE  TO THE MEETING. YOU HAVE A CLERK WHO IS TAKING  MINUTES AND SHE NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO GET NAMES, AND ADDRESSES FOR  NOT ONLY FOR FOLLOW-UP BUT AS  YOU KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME MEETINGS THAT HAVE BEEN CHALLENGED AND  THEREFORE IT'S DIFFICULT TO GO  BACK AND AS YOU SAY CHECK  RECEIPTS WHO WAS THERE AND WHAT  ITEM THEY SPOKE ON. THAT IS THE SOLE PURPOSE. IT ALSO DOES OPEN UP. SOME PEOPLE DON'T LIKE PUBLIC  SPEAKING. IT GIVES THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO  WRITE THEIR COMMENT DOWN AND  HAVE IT READ INTO THE RECORD. THE OTHER OPTIONS IN THOSE  CITIES IF WE HAVE SOMEBODY WHO  IS NOT AVAILABLE AT THE MEETING  THEY CAN SUBMIT THEIR COMMENTS  ONLINE AND ALSO TO BE READ INTO  THE RECORD. THOSE COMMENT CARDS PULMONARY  PUBLIC RECORD AND IT ALSO HELPS  WITH MY FUTURE CHALLENGES WITH  REGARD TO THE MEETING, THE  MEETING PROCESS AND ANY  POTENTIAL LITIGATION THAT MAY  COME UP AS A RESULT OF THAT. >> Mayor: THANK YOU COUNSEL. GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER CRUZ. >> THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THIS  UP. I'VE SAID IT BEFORE AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN. I DON'T SUPPORT COMMENT CARDS. I DON'T BELIEVE WE SHOULD DO IT  IN THE CITY. I DON'T BELIEVE IT WORK FOR  BOYNTON. ALSO I DID SEE AT A PREVIOUS  MEETING THERE WAS A POTENTIAL  FOR REDUCING OUR COMPLETELY  REMOVING PUBLIC COMMENT. I ALSO DO NOT SUPPORT THAT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE OUR DISABLED SILT SUNS AND SENIOR  CITIZENS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ONLINE  PUBLIC COMMENT AND NO COMMENT  CARDS AND ALLOWING PUBLIC  COMMENT TO HAPPEN AT A TIME WHEN IT'S REASONABLE AND HOPEFULLY  BEFORE THE ITEMS ARE GOING TO BE HEARD AND NOT AT THE END OF THE  ITEM AFTER THE ITEMS HAVE BEEN  VOTED ON. (APP [APPLAUSE] >> Mayor: THANK YOU SO MUCH  COMMISSIONER CRUZ. TO MY COLLEAGUES I WAS HOPING TO ATTACK THIS CONVERSATION PIECE  BY PIECE BEGINNING WITH JUST  COMMENT CARDS. IF YOU FEEL COMPELLED TO COVER  ALL THOSE ITEMS THAT'S FINE. LET'S FOCUS ON COMMENT CARDS. CLEARLY THAT WAS A NO FROM  COMMISSIONER CRUZ ON COMMENT  KAURPEDS. AD VICE MAYOR LET'S TURN TO YOU. YOUR THOUGHTS ON IT. >> I'M KIND OF INDIFFERENT ON  THIS. I SEE THE VALUE IN HAVING FOLLOW UP. THERE'S BEEN PLENTY OF MEETINGS  WHERE WE'VE HAD PLENTY OF PEOPLE SPEAK AND I WAS HERE AT THE LAST MEETING AND I COMPLAINED ABOUT  X, Y AND Z AND THERE WAS NO  FOLLOW UP. BUT THERE'S NO WAY FOR US TO  REACH OUT TO THAT PERSON. ONE OF THE THINGS IN THE  MEETINGS THAT I'VE CHAIRED  MAYOR, I'VE KIND OF DISCLOSED  AFTER A PUBLIC COMMENT IF YOU  NEED FOLLOW UP FROM A STAFF  MEMBER, AND THERE'S STAFF  MEMBERS HERE BUT THERE IS THAT  VALUE IN HAVING THAT COMMENT  CARDS, SAND BY NO MEANS DOES TH  COMMENT CARDS REQUIRE YOU TO SAY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT. YOU CAN ADD WHATEVER INFORMATION YOU WANT OR LEAVE OUT WHATEVER  INFORMATION YOU WANT. SO YOSH -- BUT I ALSO AGREE MY  CONCERN IS THAT IF WE SAY THAT  THIS CAN'T -- THERE'S A TIME  FRAME IT HAS TO BE WITHIN THE  FIRST FIVE-MINUTE. I FEEL -- DURING THE PUBLIC  COMMENT TIME, THEY SHOULD BE  ABLE TO SPEAK AND SO I DON'T  KNOW CITY ATTORNEY HOW YOU  ADDRESS THAT. IF UNTIL THE POINT THEY CAN WALK UP AND HAND IT TO THE CLERK AT  THE TIME -- BECAUSE THE PREVIOUS CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD ABOUT  COMMENT CARDS MANY, MANY MONTHS  AGO WAS THAT IT WOULD CUT OFF,  AND IF IT WAS WASN'T TURNED IN  BY A CERTAIN TIME YOU WOULDN'T  HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. WE KNOW THAT PUBLIC COMMENTS  DUMB UP AS WE'RE DISCUSSING  THINGS AND AS ITEMS COME UP. THAT IS ONE OF MY CONCERNS ABOUT THIS ALSO. >> DO YOU WANT ME TO ADDRESS  THAT. >> NO ACTUALLY COMMENT CARDS  WOULD BE ALLOWED UP UNTIL THE  CONCLUSION OF PUBLIC COMMENT. AND THEN WITH REGARD TO LET'S  SAY IT WAS A PUBLIC HEARING  ITEM. UP TO THAT TIME THAT PUBLIC  HEARING CAME UP THEY COULD STILL SUBMIT A COMMENT CARD. THAT'S REALLY VERY HELPFUL IN A  MEETING WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT A  PERSON IS SWORN IN. IN THE JURISDICTIONS THERE WAS  NO CUT-OFF. I DON'T RECOMMEND AS TO THE  TIME. WHAT IF YOU HAVE TO PICK UP YOUR KIDS UP FROM SCHOOL BEFORE YOU  CAN GET HERE ETCH OR SOMETHING  COMES UP. ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU DECIDE YOU  WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT. AS LONG AS IT'S DONE BY THE  CONCLUSION OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT SECTION. >> IS THERE SOMETHING WE COULD  DO AS A VOLUNTARY -- LET'S SAY  WE HAVE PROVIDED IT FOR THE  PURPOSE OF IF YOU WANT YOUR  COMMENT TO BE ADDED TO THE  RECORD BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO  FILL OUT THE A COMMENT CARPED. COULD IT AN OPTIONAL. IT'S THERE IN THE ROOM. IF SOMEONE WALKS IN THE ROOM. THEY WANT TO FILL OUT A COMMENT  CARD OR AND NOT FILL OUT A  COMMENT CARD COULD WE MAKE IT AN NUPTION NULL THING WHERE WE'RE  NOT FORCING EVERYONE TO FILL OUT A FILL OUT A COMMENT CARD. AND/OR HEY CHECK OUT THE SPEED  BUMPS ON SW SECOND STREET. IS THAT AN OPTION. >> IT IS CERTAINLY AN OPTION. IT'S WITHIN THIS BOARD'S  DISCRETION WHATEVER THEY PLEASE. MY RECOMMENDATION THOUGH AS YOUR LAWYER AND THAT'S ALL IT IS IS A RECOMMENDATION IS TO DO ONE OR  THE OTHER. BUT IF THAT WAS A HAPPY MEDIUM,  MAYBE FOR SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO  GET A FOLLOW-UP, WHATEVER THE  BOARD WANTS TO DO IT. IT'S CERTAINLY WITHIN YOUR  DISCRETION. >> I WOULDN'T WANT IT TO BE AN. IF THEY WANTED THEIR COMMENTS  PUT IN THE RECORD OFFICIALLY  THEN THAT WOULD BE AN OPTION. THAT'S MY POSITION. I DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY  REQUIRE EVERYONE TO HAVE TO FILL THIS OUT. BUT MAKING IT AN OPTION IS KIND  OF WHERE MY MIND IS SET. >> Mayor: THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. YOUR POINTS AS WELL AS  COMMISSIONER CRUZ ARE  WELL-TAKEN. I'M SO GLAD YOU DID BRING UP THE TIME CONSTRAINT. I THOUGHT SOME OF THE FEEDBACK  THAT WAS THE 340ES COMPELLING  ARGUMENT. WHAT IF YOU'RE IN THE AUDIENCE,  SOMEBODY IN FRONT OF YOU BECAUSE WHAT THEY SAID IT MAKES YOU  THINK OF THEY SAID AND YOU WANT  TO SAY WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY. THEY CAN COME UP UNTIL THE VERY  LAST PERSON. I WOULD SAY ALSO THAT I'M NOT  SURE IT WOULD BE IN TERMS OF  OPERATION IT WOULD BE SMOOTH IF  WE DID HALF AND HALF. WE EITHER DO IT OR DON'T DO IT. A ALTERNATIVELY IF THAT ENDS UP  BEING THE MAJORITY WILL OF THIS  BOARD MAYBE THERE'S A GARRADUAL  TRANSITION PERIOD. IT MIGHT CAUSE MORE CONFUSION,  SAND UNNECESSARY DRAMA. BUT OKAY. THAT'S MY THOUGHTS. COMMISSIONER HAY. YOUR THOUGHTS. >> AS FAR AS THE COMMENT CARDS  ARE I'M AGAINST COMMENT CARDS. AND I LISTENED TO WHAT HAS BEEN  SAID AS FAR AS FILLING OUT A  C CARD. I CAN UNDERSTAND THE CLERK'S  POINT OF VIEW BECAUSE MANY T TIMESANCE WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING WHEN THEY SAY THEIR NAME. I'M MORE IN FAVOR OF A HYBRID. BY THAT I MEAN FILL OUT A CARD  IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK. AND FWIF US PRINTED YOUR  HANDWRITTEN NAME AND ADDRESS. I'M AGAINST THE ITEM BECAUSE  JUST AS WAS STATED YOUR THOUGHTS MAY BE TRIGGERED BY SOME OTHER  COMMENTS THAT ARE BEING SAID. SO I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF JUST  FILLING OUT A CARD WITH NAME AND ADDRESS ON IT. AS FAR AS RECORDED FOR THE  RECORD OR NOT, I THINK  EVERYTHING IS DONE HERE ON THIS  DAIS BY THIS CITY COUNCIL SHOULD BE RECORDED. THAT'S JUST EXTRA WORK FOR OUR  CLERK MAINLY. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO THAT BECAUSE NOW YOU'VE GOT TO  DETERMINE WHICH IS DID THEY PUT  IN A CARD OR RECORDED OR NOT  RECORDED. EVERYTHING THAT'S DONE UP HERE  IS RECORDED. AND I THINK THE PROBLEM IS  340ER8S -- MORE OR LESS  IDENTIFYING BY NAME AND ADDRESS  THE PERSON WHO'S SPEAKING. BUT BASICALLY BE ALLOWED TO  SPEAK ON ANY ITEM AT ANY TIME. SO TIME CONSTRAINT. SO I GUESS I'M LOOKING FOR MORE  OR LESS SOME TYPE OF HYBRID  WHERE YOU SPECIFY YOUR NAME AND  YOUR ADDRESS, AND THAT'S ALL. >> Mayor: GO AHEAD. >> THE ONLY PURPOSE OF THE  AGENDA ITEM AND IT'S NOT TO  LIMIT THEM ON THAT. IT'S TO TWISH WHETHER YOU'RE  SPEAKING ON A CONSENT ITEM OR  SPEAKING ON A PUBLIC ITEM. THEY COULD CERTAINLY LEAVE THAT  BLANK. IF THEY HAD A GENERAL ITEM ABOUT A HOT HOLE. THEY CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE TO PUT THAT. THAT WAS ONLY FOR THE BENEFIT OF IN AND SECTION THEY WERE GOING  TO SPEAK. IF THEY WERE SPEAKING ABOUT A  SPECIFIC ITEM. THEY CAN CERTAINLY CAN HAVE THE  OPTION OF LEAVING THAT BLACHCK. THE MOST IMPORTANT ITEM IS NAME  AND ADDRESS. >> THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THE MAYOR ACTUALLY CONTROLS THAT WHEN THIS PERSON CAN SPEAK ON  THIS ITEM OR THAT ITEM. AND THE MAYOR CONTROLS THAT. SO AS I STATED BEFORE I THINK  THE RESOLUTION IS TO HAVE THE  NAME AND ADDRESS. AND EVERYTHING REMAINS JUST LIKE IT'S BEEN BEFORE. >> THE ONLY COMMENT I WOULD MAKE I WOULD RECOMMEND THE SECTION  THAT ALLOWS FOR THIS THEY WANT  THEIR COMMENT READ INTO WITH THE OPTION OF PUTTING THEIR WRITTEN  COMMENT DOWN IN CASE THEY DON'T  WANT TO SPEAK. THERE'S A BOX TO CHECK IF THEY  WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW-UP. THEY DON'T HAVE TO FILL THAT  OUT. >> I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING  LEGAL. IF IT'S NOT RECORDED, WHY ARE WE ALLOWING THEM TO EVEN SPEAK. BECAUSE I MAY WANT TO GO BACK  AND READ WHAT WAS SPOKEN. WHEN I GO BACK AND LISTEN TO IT. I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO  DETERMINE THIS IS NOT PART OF  THE RECORD. WHAT WHAT ARE WE SAYING HERE? >> I'M SORRY IF I'M MISSPEAKING. YOU WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY ON THESE COMMENT CARDS TO SAY I  DON'T LIKE THE POTHOLES ON SUCH  AND SUCH STREET. PLEASE FOLLOW UP WITH ME. WE WOULD TAKE THAT CARD AND SHE  WOULD ACTUALLY READ IT INTO THE  RECORD. SO BAILEY WOULD BE SPEAKING THAT PERSON'S COMMENTS. SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY OR MAYBE THEY AREN'T ABLE TO COMMUNICATE  BECAUSE THEY HAVE A HEARING  IMPAIRMENT OR SPEECH IMPEDIMENT. IN MY VIEW IT'S OPENING UP THE  OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE PUBLIC  PARTICIPATION. THE MINUIMAL INFORMATION IF THI  BOARD COULD BE THE NAME AND  ADDRESS. >> HOW DO WE HANDLE THAT NOW? >> WE DON'T HANDLE THAT NOW. WE DON'T HAVE THAT MECHANISM. >> SO I MEAN --  >> HOW DO WE KNOW IF THEY DON'T  COMPLAIN? >> IF THEY REALLY HAVE SOMETHING THEY WANT TO GET THROUGH THEY  CAN HAVE SOMEONE ELSE SAY IT. IT SHOULD NOT BEEN A PROBLEM IN  THE PAST. WHY AMUAY TRYING TO MAKE IT A  PROBLEM NOW. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT'S BEEN WORKING. IF IT'S NOT BROKE DON'T FIX IT. THE ONLY THING IS GETTING THE  NAME AND ADDRESS. AND THAT'S MY SOLUTION. MA >> Mayor: COMMISSIONER TURKIN  YOUR THOUGHTS ON COMMENT CARDS. >> YES. FIRST OF ALL THERE'S ALSO  SLANDERED AND IN SAYING THAT THE COMMUNITY MEETING G FOR YOU. SO HERE'S THE THING. THE COMMENT CARDS IN HEARING  BOTH SIDES. MAYBE A SIGN IN SHEET AT THE  BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. ANYONE CAN COME UP. OBVIOUSLY I'M PRO PUBLIC  COMMENT. I'M NOT PRO HATE SPEECH. I'M NOT PRO ISOLATING A  DEMOGRAPHIC OF INDIVIDUALS OR  CALLING PEOPLE OUT BY NAME. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE  PROVIDE THAT SPEECH THAT FREE  SPEECH BUT WE CAN'T ALLOW FOR  PRO HATE SPAEMP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. TAKING A STPEP BACK AND LOOKING  AT THIS. HOW WHETHER IT'S YOU MAYOR OR  THE CHAIR OR ANYONE IDENTIFY  WHAT SOMEBODY IS GOING TO SAY  UNTIL THEY GET UP. SOMEONE COULD GO UP THERE AND  START SPEAKING AND TRYING TO I  DON'T KNOW INCITE A RIOT. WE'VE SEEN WHAT POLITICAL  RHETORIC DOES. WE'VE SEEN IT AT THE HIGHEST  LEVEL. WE'VE HAD AN ATTEMPTED  ASSASSINATION OF THE FORMER  PRESIDENT. I DEFINITELY CAN SEE BOTH SIDES  OF THE ARGUMENT. IT 3509S THE CHAIR IN A  DIFFICULT POSITION TO THEN SAY  NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A  CERTAIN COMMUNITIES. PLEASE STOP. AND AT WHAT POINT DO YOU DRAW  THE LINE. THAT YOU WOULD KNOW WHAT THIS  INDIVIDUAL IS GOING TO TALKING  ABOUT. THIS HATE SPEECH. IS THIS SLANDER OR ISOLATING THE COUNTY MANAGER OR CITY ATTORNEY. I'M IN DIFDIFFERENT. BUT AGAIN I DON'T KNOW IF THE  COMMENT CARDS ARE GOING TO  REALLY BE AS EFFECTIVE AS WE  THINK THEY COULD BE. SEA I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE  CAN HAVE THAT CHECK YES. WE CALL THEM. IT'S FOR POTHOLES OR WHATEVER  ELSE. AND I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO  CALL THE PERSON UP. AND THEN YOU KNOW ARE WE JUST  TALKING ABOUT THE COMMENT CARDS  RIGHT NOW. >> Mayor: I WOULD PREFER THAT. SO WE TACKLE THIS PIECE BY  PIECE. >> MAYBE JUST A SIGN IN SHEET. MAYBE GETS PEOPLE'S NAME AND  ADDRESSES. >> THEIR  >> Mayor: WHAT I'M HEARING FROM  ALL OF YOU. WE HAVE A VERY CLEAR NO FROM  COMMISSIONER CRUZ, AND WE HAVE  SOME INDIFFERENCE. THE POINT THERE'S NO ONE THAT IS TRUONG-LE ADVOCATING THEM. AS SUCH I'M INTERPRETING THAT TO NOT HAVE ANY COMMENT CARDS. I'M NOT HEARING ANY OBJECTIONS  THAT. THE OBJECTION IS CLEAR NOT TO  HAVE COMMENT CARDS. THE NOW THE PUBLIC COMMENT. AND THE SCOPE OF WHICH THAT WE  ALLOW FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. I KNOW AS I PREVIOUSLY MENTION  AND AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE FRONT  OF THE AGENDA, IT SAYS HERE  UNDER PUBLIC AUDIENCE ANY  CITIZEN MAYBE BE HEARD ON ANY  MATTER WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE  JURISDICTION OF THE COMMISSION. SO THE QUESTION CAME ABOUT AND  AGAIN MY COLLEAGUES WILL CHIME  IN A MINUTE. DO WE MAINTAIN THAT REQUIREMENT  THAT IT WOULD NOT THE  JURISDICTION OF THE SCOPE OF THE JURISDICTION OF THE CITY OR DO  WE ALLOW IT TO BE BASICALLY  ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING. SO FOR EXAMPLE, PREVIOUSLY IF  YOU WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THE  SCHOOL BOARD YOU GO TO THE  SCHOOL BOARD. THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE PLACE TO  DO THAT. IF YOU WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT THE CONCERNS WITH THE STATE LAW. YOU FOE TO YOUR STATE SENATOR. IF YOU WANT TO REMOVE THAT  REQUIREMENT ALTOGETHER SO ANYONE CAN SAY ANYTHING. YOU ZOOMING IT IS NOT HATE  SPEECH. AND IT IS NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK. THAT'S THE QUESTION I'M PUTTING  BEFORE YOU. LET'S GO AROUND THE DAIS ON YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT. >> EITHER WAY I NEED TO HEAR IT  YOU FROM YOU. ANYBODY THAT WOULD LIKE TO  BEGIN. >> VICE MAYOR. >> I THINK THAT IT'S DIFFICULT  TO TELL SOMEONE THEY HAVE TO  SPEAK IN A CERTAIN SCOPE OR A  CERTAIN ON A CERTAIN ROAD PER SE OR A TOPIC. I THINK PUBLIC COMMENT IS AN  OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. WOULD WE LOVE FOR TO LIMIT  WHAT'S GOING IN OUR CITY OR WHAT WE HAVE CONTROL EVER. AT THE SAME TIME IT'S PUBLIC  COMMENT AND I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THEM SPEAK IN A PUBLIC FORUM. MY POSITION HAS BEEN CLEAR THAT  YOU'VE BEEN DOCK DARK AS LONG AS YOU'RE BEING RESPECTFUL AND YOU  CAN SPEAK WHAT YOU WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT. AND WE ARE -- IT'S A PUBLIC  SETTING. SO I DON'T KNOW IF SOMEBODY  STARTS THEIR CONVERSATION IF  THEY'RE GOING TO END UP TALKING  ABOUT THE TREES ON THE LAWRENCE  ROAD. SO WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF --  ALTHOUGH MAYBE THE DIRECTION IS  NOT WHERE WE FORESEE IT DEPEING. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE END IS  GOING TO BE. I ERR ON THE SIDE WHY SHOULD I  BE OR YOU BE PUT IN A POSITION  WHERE WE HAVE TO DECIDE OR BE  THE JUDGE IN A SITUATION TO  JUDGE IN WHAT THEY'RE SAYING  FALLS WITHIN OUR CITY  JURISDICTION. I THINK THAT'S KIND OF A WIDE  KIND OF BLANKET AND ALTHOUGH  IT'S MAYBE SPECIFICALLY NOT, WE  ARE A GOVERNMENT ENTITY. SO I FEEL LIKE IT JUST  EVERYTHING TRICKLES DOWN TO US. >> Mayor: ALL RIGHT. ADVICE PRAYER I APPRECIATE YOUR  THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS. I'M INDIFFERENT AS A CHAIR. I WILL ENFORCE WHATEVER THE  RULES THAT THIS BODY DECIDES. BUT IT NEEDS TO BE MADE CLEAR. WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HAVING THIS  CONVERSATIONS. FOR YEARS EVEN PRIOR TO ME BEING MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR OPINION AND  YOUR CLARIFICATION. COMMISSIONER HAY OR CRUZ ORATOR  KIN. >> SURE. I'LL SPEAK. AS FAR AS PUBLIC AUDIENCE I  THINK PUBLIC COMMENT SHOULD BE  FOR NON-AGENDA ITEMS. GIVE THEM THE THREE MINUTES TO  SPEAK ON WHATEVER THEY WANT TO  SPEAK ON. I FEEL THAT THE AGENDA ITEMS YOU ALLOW THEM TO SPEAK ON THAT AS  YOU CALL THEM. BUT YOU -- A LOT OF THEM WILL  SPEAK FOR THE THREE MINUTES. >> Mayor: ON THOSE AGENDA ITEMS. >> ON THE AGENDA ITEMS WHEN WE  GET TO THAT AGENDA ITEM. >> Mayor: YES. WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE. >> AS FAR AS THE LEGAL SECTION,  BEFORE I RELATE TO THAT. ON THE FIRST READING LEGAL ITEMS THERE'S NO PUBLIC INPUT. ONLY ON THE SECOND READING. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> WAS PUBLIC AUDIENCE ALLOWED. OKAY. THAT'S WHERE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT OPERATE. WHEN WE HAVE PUBLIC AUDIENCE, SO ITEMS THAT ARE NOT ON THE  AGENDA. >> Mayor: YES. >> PUBLIC AUDIENCE IS ALSO  COVERS CONSENT ITEMS OR  RESOLUTIONS. >> SO THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING  ON THE AGENDA THAT'S COVERED IN  PUBLIC COMMENTS. >> I CAN GO ALONG WITH THAT. NO PROBLEM. OTHER THAN THAT, ITEMS ON THE  AGENDA WE ALLOW THEM TO SPEAK  WHEN WE COME TO THAT ITEM. >> THAT'S CORRECT. >> Mayor: THANK YOU COMMISSIONER HAY. I DO NEED CLARIFICATION FROM YOU ABOUT PUBLIC AUDIENCE. THE PERIOD IN THE AGENDA ABOUT  NON-AGENDA ITEMS AND CONSENT. DURING THAT TIME WOULD YOU LIKE  TO MAINTAIN IT AS PEOPLE CAN  DISCUSS THINGS THAT HAVE TO DO  WITH WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THE  JURISDICTION OF THE CITY OR  WOULD YOU PREFER TO BE ABOUT  ANYTHING. IT COULD BE NATIONAL THINGS. IT COULD BE SCHOOL BOARD  >> TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST  THEY'RE GIVEN THREE MINUTES TO  SPEAK. WHETHER IT BE ON CITY BUSINESS  OR SAYING THE LORD'S PRAYER  THEY'VE GOT THREE MINUTES AND  THEY'RE ENTITLED TO FREEDOM OF  SPEECH. SO I JUST FEEL THAT PUBLIC  AUDIENCE YOU'VE GOT THREE  MINUTES AND YOU SPEAK WHAT YOU  WANT TO SAY. IT'S NOT A Q & A TIME. >> Mayor: PTHAT IS RIGHT. >> HOWEVER I WOULD LIKE A  FOLLOW-UP ON THE ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE FOLLOWED UP. WE HAVE A TENDENCY THEY SPEAK  WHAT THEY WANT, AND IT'S  CONSIDERED LEGIT TYPE OF  COMMENTS. BUT THERE'S NOTHING DONE, AND  THEN IN MY MIND I'M THINKING  THAT NEEDS TO BE RESPONDED TO. SO I'D LIKE TO SEE US DO A  BETTER JOB. NOT SAYING WE DON'T. I THINK WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB  OF RESPONDING TO THOSE ITEMS  THAT NEEDS TO BE RESPONSIBILITY  UNDER PUBLIC AUDIENCE. >> Mayor: WHAT I'M HEARING THERE ARE TWO MEMBERS WILLING TO  EXTEND THE SCOPE TO LITERALLY  ANYTHING. ASSUMING ANYTHING NOT HATE  SPEECH, INSULTS ALL OF THAT. BUT IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT  NATIONAL POLITICS. >> I DO WANT TO SAY THIS ONE  THING. THAT IF IT GOES SOUTH I THINK  YOU AS THE MAYOR NEED TO SHUT IT DOWN. I'M GETTING TIRED OF BEING  CALLED THE F-BOMB AND EVERYTHING ELSE. EVERYTHING FROM THE CHILD OF GOD UP HERE. AND THERE'S NOTHING SAID OR  NOTHING DONE ABOUT IT. IT'S TOO SELECTIVE. SOMETIMES YOU SAY SOMETHING. TIMES WE DON'T. WE NEED TO BE CONSISTENT. AND I THINK EVERYBODY IN HERE  KNOWS YOU CAN GO BACK AND LOOK  AT THE TAPES ON THE NUMEROUS  TIMES NOT ONLY MYSELF BUT OTHERS EVEN STAFF HAVE BEEN CALLED  NAMES THAT SHOULD BE BE ALLOWED. AND YOUR COMMENT THAT YOU READ  YOU SHOULD ENFORCE IT MORE. >> Mayor: YES. COMMISSIONER I COMPLETELY AGREE  WITH YOU. CERTAINLY I'M NOT PERFECT AS A  CHAIR OR AS A HUMAN BEING. I DO STRIVE TO DO THAT. BUT I DO WANT TO SAY TO MY  COLLEAGUES WHEREVER I FAIL TO DO THAT BE IT KNOWN YOU AS A MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION HAVE THE RIGHT TO SPEAK UP. AND YOU CAN DO THAT MAYOR, THE  COMMENT THAT WAS SAID WAS  ACTUALLY AN INSULT. IT WAS A DEROGATORY TERM. LET ME KNOW BECAUSE IF YOU JUST  SAY THAT CALMLY AND PEACEFULLY I WILL ENFORCE THE RULES. I DO APOLOGIZE TO YOU FOR  ANYTHING OF MY SHORTCOMING. BUT I RELY ON ALL OF YOU AS MY  COLLEAGUES TO SPEAK UP. >> I'LL TAKE IT. >> Mayor: THANK YOU SO MUCH. LET'S CONTINUE TO THE OTHER  COMMISSIONER CRUZ AND TURKIN. YOUR THOUGHTS ON THE MATTER. >> GO AHEAD, COMMISSIONER CRUZ. >> I'M OKAY WITH HAVING GENERAL  PUBLIC COMMENT. SOMETIMES I DO KNOW WE HAVE  ITEMS ON THE AGENDA THAT ARE  FIRST READING, AND WE DON'T HAVE USUALLY HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR  FIRST READING. BUT A LOT OF TIMES THESE ARE  THINGS THAT ARE IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY. IN A GENERAL SENSE IN A PERFECT  WORLD YES EVERYONE WOULD COME IN AND TALK ABOUT CITY  JURISDICTION, AND THAT'S  ABSOLUTELY IDEAL. HOWEVER, SOMETIMES AS  COMMISSIONER KELLY STATED  EARLIER IT'S DIFFICULT TO  DISCERN WHAT THE NEXT WORD IS  GOING TO BE FOR AN INDIVIDUAL,  AND THEY COULD START WITH A  THOUGHT AND MAYBE FINISH WITH  ANOTHER THOUGHT. I THINK IT PUTS YOU IN A REALLY  DIFFICULT SITUATION TO TRY TO  DISCERN THAT. IT'S A REALLY TOUGH CALL. I WOULD BE BE BILLING TO SPEAK  TO SPEAK ON THAT. AS LONG AS IT'S RESPECTFUL. ONE MORE THING I WANTED TO ADD  DO WE WANT TO DEFINE WHAT -- I  MEAN WE DON'T WANT DO WE NEED TO DEFINE WHAT AN INSULT. IS SAYING SOMETHING LET'S SAY  COMMISSIONER CRUZ I CALLED YOU  AND YOU DIDN'T CALL ME BACK. THAT'S NOT AN INSULT PER SE. IT'S SAYING WHETHER IT'S TRUE OR NOT A COMMENT. SO IT'S ALSO NOT FAIR TO YOU FOR US TO SAY WELL YOU DIDN'T  REALIZE THAT WAS AN INSULT  BECAUSE PEOPLE CAN TAKE IT IN A  DIFFERENT WAYS. UNLESS IT'S VERY EXPLICIT. >> Mayor: IT WOULD NEVER BE MY  INTENT FOR YOU TO BE ATTACKED. AS SOMEONE THAT'S BEEN ATTACKED  MANY TIMES. THERE MIGHT BE AGAIN I COULD BE  MISTAKEN. THERE MIGHT BE DIFFERENCE IN  INTERPRETATION. YOU JUST BROUGHT UP AN EXAMPLE. LET'S USE ME AS AN EXAMPLE ABOUT MY PUBLIC ROLE, THE MAYOR IS  THIS, AND HE'S NOT DOING THIS,  HE'S NOT ANSWERING MY EMAIL OR  IT'S ABOUT MY PUBLIC JOB I THINK THAT'S FAIR GAME. IT'S NOT ABOUT OH MAYOR THY'S  PERSONAL LIFE. THAT'S ALWAYS PERSONAL. I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT ALLOWING THE MAXIMUM LEEWAY FOR FLEE DUMB OF  SPEECH. ONE OF THE THINGS I SAID EARLIER IN THIS MEETING, AND CONTINUE TO SAY IT MORE AND MORE WHEN YOU  ADDRESS THE POD IF YOU'VE GOT A  PROBLEM WITH YOUR COMMISSIONER  YOU DON'T HAVE TO ADDRESS IT TO  THEM. ADDRESS IT TO THE BODY THROUGH  ME AS THE CHAIR. BRING IT TO ME AS THE CHAIR OF  THE MEETING DIRECTED TOWARDS ME  SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE  DIRECTED. I DIDN'T APPRECIATE WHAT STAFF  DID, I DIDN'T APPRECIATE WHAT  THE MAYOR DID OR DID NOT DO. HOPEFULLY THAT WOULD LESSON  THESE MISUNDERSTANDINGS. SHOULD I DROP THE BALL. >> ABSOLUTELY. I THINK A POINT OF ORDER WOULD  BE APPROPRIATE. AND OBVIOUSLY IF IT'S SOMEBODY  BEING CALLED WORDS, THAT ARE  INSULTING THAT OBVIOUSLY SOME  WORDS WE DON'T KNOW ALL OF THE  WORDS IN THE WORLD OR NOR DO WE  COME FROM THE SAME PLACES. IN A GENERAL SENSE THE  COMMISSIONER CAN MAKE A POINT OF ORDER, I'D LIKE TO SAY THIS IS  OFFENDING ME AND I WOULD LIKE  FOR THIS TO STOP. >> M >> Mayor: QUITE FRANKLY I'VE  BEEN ATTACKED AND NO ONE SAID  ANYTHING. I'VE ALWAYS HAD A THICK SKIN. COMMISSIONER TURKIN. WE HAVE THREE CLEAR VOTES TO  PROCEED. HOWEVER YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO  SPEAK AND CHIME ON THIS MATTER  IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE. >> DEFINITELY WOULD LIKE TO  COMMENT. YOU BEING LEADER YOU TOOK  ACTABLE AND YOU APOLOGIZED TO  COMMISSIONER HAY. THANK YOU FOR WANTING TO GET IT  BETTER. I NEED TO GET BETTER TOO. COVANTA HANDLED THAT. I AGREE LET THOSE THREE MINUTES  LET ANYONE SPEAK ABOUT ANYTHING  THEY WANT UNLESS IT'S HATE  SPEECH OR TRYING TO INCITE A  RIOT OR TARGET A CERTAIN  DEMOGRAPHIC. I THINK WE DEFINITELY NEED TO  ADDRESS THE BODY AS A WHOLE, AND YOU KEEP THAT CONSISTENT. I THINK YOU ELIMINATE THE  INSULTS. IT I THINK YOU ELIMINATE  TARGETING SOMEBODY. THAT GOES FOR STAFF AS WELL. CITY STAFF AND THE BOARD WHERE  THAT SHOULD BE. IF THERE'S AN ISSUE YOU HIT IT  RIGHT ON THE HEAD. BUT YOU KNOW NO ONE PERSONALLY  LIFE SHOULD BE ATTACKED. THAT'S A TWO-WAY STREET. YOU DON'T AGREE WITH IT. WE'RE ALL COMMUNITY LEADERS. WE ALL LIVE HERE. IT TAKES TWO TO TANGO. WE HAVE TO DO THAT AS A  COMMUNITY. NOT AS THE PEOPLE VERSIONS THE  COMMISSION. NOT AS THE COMMISSION VERSIONS  THE PEOPLE. WE ARE A COMMUNITY. WE'RE ALL DIFFERENT. WE COME FROM DIFFERENT  BACKGROUNDS, RELIGION AND RACE  AND CREED. AND SO I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO  GET PERSONALLY ATTACKED, AND YOU HAVE MY WORD SOMEBODY ATTACKS  YOU I'M GOING TO DO A POINT OF  ORDER. >> Mayor: THANK YOU COMMISSIONER TURKIN. WE'RE NOW MOVING TO THE LAST  PART OF THIS DISCUSSION. WHICH IS THE AGENDA FORMAT. PUBLISHED THE AGENDA TER IN IT  INTO TWO HALVES. DO YOU WANT THAT OR DO YOU WANT  TO COMBINE THEM AT THE  BEGINNING. HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO PROCEED. ANYONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO CHIME  IN. YES THE LAST MEETING THE AGENDA  WAS PUBLISHED WITH TWO PUBLIC  COMMENT PERIODS. MY QUESTION DO YOU WANT THAT OR  DO YOU WANT THERE TO BE ONLY ONE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING. YOUR THOUGHTS EITHER WAY. WHAT IS YOUR PREFER UN  >> MY THOUGHTS IS ONE PUBLIC  AUDIENCE. >> Mayor: AT THE BEGINNING. >> LIKE IT HAS BEEN. I DON'T LIKE IT AT THE END. THERE'S A WORKING CLASS OF  PEOPLE THAT NEEDS TO GO HOME. SOMETIMES WE STAY UNTIL THE WEE  HOURS. I THINK IT'S UNFAIR FOR PEOPLE  TO WAIT UNTIL THE END OF THE  MEETING. LET IT STAY LIKE IT IS. ONE PUBLIC COMMENT. >> Mayor: YOUR THOUGHTS VICE  MAYOR. >> I MEAN THAT'S ALWAYS MY  THOUGHT. MY ONLY WHAT CAME UP IN HAVING  US MANY CONVERSATIONS TONIGHT,  WAS THAT PEOPLE THINK OF THINGS  DURING THE COURSE OF THE  MEETING, AND THEN THERE'S NO  OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM TO CIRCLE  BACK ALSO AND MAKE A COMMENT  KNOWN THAT OR MAYBE THEY  COMMENTED ON AN ITEM THEN WAS  SCU DISCUSSED, AND NOW THE ANSWERS  TO THEIR QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN  ANSWERED BECAUSE THE PUBLIC  COMMENT IS OVER. I CAN SEE THE BENEFIT OF HAVING  THE CONSENT IF IT'S AN AGENDA  ITEM, HAVING THAT IF THEY'RE  COMING TO SPEAK ON AN AGENDA  ITEM TO SPEAK ON THE CONSENT AND THEN GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS AT  THE END THAT ARE JUST IN  GENERAL. BUT AT THE SAME TIME I THINK  IT'S ALSO GOOD TO HAVE YOUR  PUBLIC COMMENT FOR YOUR COMMENT  HAY, THEN THEY CAN LEAVE. THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH THAT WE'VE RUN WE'RE THEN THERE'S NO FOLLOW UP BECAUSE EVERYONE IS GONE THAT SPOKE ABOUT AN ISSUE. AND STAFF IS UP HERE. I THINK WE JUST -- I AM FINE  WITH STAYING AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. I THINK WE NEED TO ADDRESS HOW  TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PUBLIC  CONCERNS WHEN EVERYONE IS FWAUN. BECAUSE WE HAVE HEARD AND I SAID THIS DURING MY COMMENTS ABOUT  THE COMMENT CARDS WE'VE HAD  PEOPLE COME TO MEETINGS A COUPLE OF MEETINGS IN ROW I WAS HERE  LAST MEETING AND I COMPLAINED  ABOUT X, Y AND Z BUT THEN THEY  LEFT AFTER THAT COMMENT AND  THERE WAS ANY CONNECTION WITH  STAFF. MAYBE THEY -- BECAUSE IT'S  OPTIONAL TO PROVIDE YOUR  ADDRESS. THEN HOW DO IS THIS FOLLOW-UP. SO THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. STAFF I WOULD JUST MAYBE WE LOOK AT SOME SOLUTIONS TO SOME OF  THOSE ISSUE, AND I KNOW  COMMISSIONER TURKIN SAID  SUGGESTED SOME SORT OF SIGN UP  SHEET. MAYBE IF THERE IS AN ISSUE  PLEASE SIGN CASH DASH YOU CAN  PROVIDE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. IT'S DIFFICULT ALSO TO SEND WHEN THEY'RE IN PUBLIC COMMENT IT'S  NOT A Q & A. THEN TO DIRECT STAFF TO HELP OR  TO ASSIST. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT TURNS  INTO A STAFF MEMBER IS  DESIGNATED AS THAT CONTACT  PERSON. YOU'RE GOING TO CONNECT SO I  WOULD LIKE TO HEAR SOME  RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF AS  FAR AS WE DO HANDLE THOSE  FOLLOW-UPS. WE HAVE THIS WHOLE  CONVERSATIONS. WE'VE LEFT THINGS AS THEY ARE  AND THEN THE MEETINGS ARE  DYSFUNCTIONAL BECAUSE THERE'S NO FOLLOW-UP BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF  MESSY. THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS IN PUBLIC  COMMENT. I'M FINE WITH THEM AT THE  BEGINNING. I AGREE PEOPLE WANT TO SPEAK  THEIR MIND OR SPEND IT HERE OR  GO HOME. BUT I RESERVE MY THE RIGHT TO  CHANGE MY MIND. >> JUST ONE STATEMENT AND I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. BUT WE JUST SAID THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SPEAK AT CONSENT AGENDA UP  FRONT AND ANYTHING THAT'S ON THE CONSENT AGENDA THEY SPEAK THEY  CAN SPEAK FOR THREE MINUTES. IF THERE'S SOMETHING ON THE  CONSENT AGENDA CAN THEY SPEAK ON THAT  >> PUBLIC AUDIENCE IS FOR AS IT  CURRENTLY IS IT'S ANYTHING ON  THE CONSENT AGENDA OR A ROOS  LOOKINGS. >> FOR EXAMPLE IF YOU WERE TO  PULL A CONSENT ITEM THERE'S  STILL NO PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT  CONSENT ITEM. >> ON THOSE OTHER ITEMS THEY  WILL KNOW WHAT THEY WANT TO  SPEAK ON DOWN THE ROAD. SO THAT IS UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL  TO STAY HERE TO UNTIL THAT ITEMS UP AND  >> IF IT'S SOMETHING THEY'RE  PERMITTED TO SPEAK ON. >> RIGHT. IT WOULDN'T BE LIKE THEY DON'T  HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON  THAT ITEM WAY DOWN HERE ON 9A OR SOMETHING. THEY WOULD WHEN IT COMES UP. THE MAYOR ARE STATED WOULD ALLOW PUBLIC INPUT. >> Mayor: YES AS WE NORMALLY. NEW BUSINESS THAT IS A  RESOLUTION. >> IF IT'S A DISCUSSION. >> Mayor: NOT FIRST READING. FINAL VOTING ON A NEW ITEM. THERE WOULD BE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THAT PERIOD. IN THE BEGINNING PUBLIC AUDIENCE THAT PORTION IS FOR NON-AGENDA  ITEMS WHICH WE JUST AGREED TO  OPEN THE SCOPE TO ANYTHING AND  ALSO CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS  BECAUSE THAT HAPPENS EARLY ON IN THE MEETING. OKAY. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE. COMMISSIONER CRUZ YOUR HAND IS  UP. >> I'M FINE WITH HAVING GENERAL  PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANYTHING AS WE DISCUSSED EARLIER. I DO UNDERSTAND WE NEED TO  HANDLE CITY BUSINESS, AND AT  SOMETIMES WE COULD HAVE A PACKED ROOM. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IN THOSE  INSTANCES WHERE WE HAVE A PACKED ROOM AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT THE  PUBLIC COMMENT MIGHT BE THREE  HOURS LONG OR AN EXTREME AMOUNT  OF TIME WHERE US DOING BUSINESS  WOULD BE KIND OF CHALLENGED OR  IT WOULD BE AS APPROPRIATE AS IT SHOULD BE. THEN AT THAT POINT AT THAT TIME  WE CAP IT TO A ONE HOUR PUBLIC  COMMENT ON ANYTHING AS WE STATED BEFORE. AND THEN WE CAN MOVE IT TO THE  END FOR ANY ANY ADDITIONAL  PUBLIC COMMENT. ASSUMING IT'S A LARGE AUDIENCE,  AND -- BUT FOR AN AUDIENCE WHAT  WE HAVE TODAY I THINK EVERYONE  COULD BE REASONABLY SPEAK WITHIN A ONE HOUR PERIOD. WE COME IN HERE. AND WE REALIZE THE ROOM IS  PACKED. WE HAVE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE HERE. AT THAT POINT THEN THE  COMMISSION CAN DECIDE DO WE WANT TO DO THIS TODAY AND CAP IT TO  AN HOUR SO WE CAN GET BUSINESS  DONE QUICKLY AND OPEN IT UP TO  PUBLIC COMMENT. I WOULD LEAVE IT OPEN TO PUBLIC  COMMENT. ON FIRST READING AND IT'S NOT  GOING TO BE -- IF IT'S NOT A  CONSENT AND NOT ON FIRST READING WE WOULDN'T HAVE TECHNICALLY  HAVE THE ABILITY TO SPEAK ON IT. THAT'S WHAT I'M WOULD SAY. >> Mayor: YOU ACTUALLY BRING UP  A GREAT POINT WHICH IS ABOUT  TIME IN OUR PUBLIC COMMENT  PERIOD. LISTEN, I COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND  WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I'M  INCLINED I'M VERY MUCH VERY  CLOSE TO AGREEING WITH YOU. I DON'T WANT TO DO. I THINK EVERYONE CAN AGREE, AND  NOBODY WANTS TO BE HERE AT  MIDNIGHT. AND NOBODY WOULD AGREE THAT  MAKING DECISIONS AT MIDNIGHT OR  2:00 A.M. IS GOOD FOR THE CITY  IN ANY WAY. NO GOOD DECISIONS ARE MADE WHEN  IT'S SUPER LATE. AND WE'RE TIRED AR WORKING. FOR THE SAKE OF DOING BUSINESS  FOR THE CITY AND LET'S SAY  THERE'S 50 PEOPLE WE'VE HAD  THOSE RARE BUT IT IT'S HAPPENED. DO THE RESIDENTSED WANT TO BE  HERE UNTIL MIDNIGHT. SO I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A  FAIR COMPROMISE. THE ONLY AREA WHERE I DISAGREE  WITH COMMISSIONER CRUZ WE ONLY  ENACT THOSE RULES WHEN THERE'S A LARGE CROWD CAN YOU IMAGINE THE  REACTION OF THAT LARGE CROWD NOW THEY WILL FEEL SLIGHTED WE'RE  DOING SOMETHING JUST FOR THEM. I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING CITY BUSINESS AT MIDNIGHT. THAT'S WHERE I'M. COMMISSIONER TURKIN I HAVEN'T  HEARD FROM YOU YET. LET'S COME TO YOU. >> YES. NO. S SIMPLE COMMISSIONER MADE A LOT  OF GOOD POINTS. HAVE THE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE  BEGINNING. AND WE CAN ALWAYS ADJUST AS  NEEDED. WE HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO  THAT. WE CAN ADJUST THE AGENDA IF WE  NEED TO. IF THERE'S MULTIPLE  PRESENTATIONS. PEOPLE VISITING TO MAKE  PRESENTATION WE WANT TO MAKE  SURE WE'RE EQUITABLE AND FAIR TO EVERYONE. >> Mayor: ALL RIGHT. ANY FOLLOW-UP COMMENTS. IT SOUNDS WE CAN CONSENSUS TO  HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AT THE  BEGINNING. >> THERE'S ONE MORE TIME. ONLINE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WAS  SOMETHING THAT WAS ALLOWED AND  STARTED DURING COVID BY THE  GOVERNOR. AT THAT TIME COMMISSIONERS COULD ALSO APPEAR ONLINE. SINCE THE GOVERNOR HAS TAKEN  AWAY THE ABILITY DAKOTA DASH YOU CAN CERTAINLY APPEAR OR WHEN  IT'S APPROPRIATE COMMISSIONER  TURKIN NOT TO BE PRESENT. HOWEVER THAT IS NO LONGER  APPROPRIATE AND THE GOVERNOR HAS TAKEN AWAY THE ABILITY. SINCE THAT TIME MANY  JURISDICTIONS CAN TAKEN AWAY  ONLINE PUBLIC COMMENT. SO YOU NEED TO DECIDE IF THAT'S  SOMETHING YOU WANT TO DO. >> MAYOR IF I MAY. MA >> Mayor: YES YOU MAY. >> THAT'S RELATED TO VOTING. >> YES. MY POINT WAS JUST TO SAY THAT  YOU GUYS AREN'T ALLOWED TO  APPEAR ONLINE. >> Mayor: GO AHEAD COMMISSIONER  TURKIN. GO AHEAD COMMISSIONER. >> I THINK A LOT OF TIMES WE  IDENTIFY USEFUL TOOLS ON  UNCHARTED SITUATIONS. SO I THINK IT WAS EITHER VICE  MAYOR KELLY OR COMMISSIONER CRUZ THERE'S A LOT OF SENIORS THAT  CAN'T MAKE IT. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT  HAVE DISABILITIES THAT CAN'T  MAKE IT HERE. MAYBE THEY'RE BUSY WITH KIDS AND FAMILY, AND THIS ALLOWS THEM TO  BE ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE. SO I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD TAKE  THAT AWAY FOR THOSE WHO MAY NOT  BE ABLE BUT WILLING. >> Mayor: GO AHEAD COMMISSIONER  CRUZ. >> YES. THANK YOU I DO AGREE WITH THAT. TO FOLLOW UP WHAT I SAID  EARLIER. SPECIFICALLY I KNOW A COUPLE OF  DISTRICTS WE HAVE A HIGH  POPULATION OF SENIORS. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR SENIORS ARE HEARD. AND BUT NOT ONLY SENIORS BUT  DISABLED. A DD COMPLIANT. AND EVEN FAMILIES THAT HAVE BEEN WORKING ALL DIE, AND THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO MAKE IT AS WELL. FOR THE SAKE WHO MIGHT BE A  DISABILITY FOR SENIOR CITIZENS I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WE ALLOW  ONLINE PUBLIC COMMENT. A LOT OF TIMES WE'VE SEEN IT'S  NOT A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF  TIME. IT'S NOT HOURS AND HOURS LONG. BUT I THINK THOSE PEOPLE MATTER  AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO  ALLOW THOSE PEOPLE TO SPEAK AND  VOICE THEIR CONCERNS. >> I'M SORRY. A CLARIFICATION JUST TO CLARIFY. SO IS IT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING  TO BE OPEN TO EVERYONE FOR  PEOPLE THAT NEED A REASONABLE  ACAME DATION. FOR EVERYONE. >> THE REASON WHY LIKE FOR US WE HAVE A BIT A MORE SOLID FOUPTION OF KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT'S CONSENT  AGENDA WHAT'S FIRST READING. BUT FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, TREE NOT ALL AWARE OF HOW THE RULES  WORK. FIRST AND SECOND READINGS OR  RULES AT WHAT POINT YOU CAN MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. JUST TO BE REASONABLE WITH  PEOPLE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO JUST ALLOW THEM TO SPEAK AS THEY NEED TO. I THINK IF THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE  NEED THEY PROBABLY TACHÉ DEPASH  WE WOULDN'T WANT TO TRY TO MAKE  THAT PUBLIC COMMENT. >> Mayor: COMMISSIONER TURKIN. I THINK I HEARD YOU SAY EVERYONE AS WELL. >> YES. EVERYONE. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD TRY  TO IDENTIFY THAT. I SEE THAT GOING DOWN A DARK  PATH. SO EVERYONE. MA >> M >> Mayor: ANYTHING ELSE FROM MY  COLLEAGUES. VICE MAYOR. COMMISSIONER HAY  >> I'M IN FAVOR OF EVERYONE  SPEAKING ON ONLINE. I DO HAVE A FEELING ABOUT  COMMISSIONERS WHO DECIDE JUST  NOT TO COME BECAUSE THEY DON'T  FEEL LIKE IT. IT'S UNACCEPTABLE. I THINK IT'S PART OF A COST AS  BEING A COMMISSIONER. IF YOU'RE NOT SICK OR OUT OF  TOWN OR HAVE A REASON YOU MAKE  EVERY EFFORT TO BE HERE. I DO FEEL IF YOU'RE NOT HERE YOU CAN COMMENT AND SPEAK ON AN ITEM BUT YOU SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO VOTE. AND YOU NEED TO BE PRESENT IN  ORDER TO VOTE BUT YOU CAN PEAK  ON MANY ITEMS. BUT AS FAR AS EVERYBODY HAVING  ONLINE ABILITIES TO SPEAK ON A  PARTICULAR ITEM ACCORDING TO THE RULES WE JUST SET UP, YES LET'S  KEEP IT EVERYBODY. >> Mayor: THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR, ANYTHING ELSE. >> NO. I'M NOT GOING TO BEAT A DEAD  HORSE. SOMETIMES PEOPLE THAT ARE JUST  OUT OF THE AREA, AND THEY'RE  PEEKING JUST TO SPEAK. I WANT TO ACCOMMODATE OUR  SENIORS AND OUR DISABLED  RESIDENTS AND THAT SOMETIMES WE  GET PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT  NECESSARILY IN OUR CITY THEY'RE  JUST SPEAKING TO SPEAK. THAT'S FINE. I'M FINE WITH KEEPING ONLINE  COMMENTS. >> Mayor: SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU THAT VICE MAYOR. >> CITY MANAGER. >> IRRELEVANT  >> Mayor: MAYOR LET'S DO IT. IF YOU BELIEVE I MADE A MISTAKE  IN SUMMARIZING. COMMENT CARDS IT WAS A NO. PUBLIC COMMENT WE HAVE DECIDED  TO REMOVE THE LIMITATION ON THE  SCOPE OF ITEMS THAT WE'RE  WILLING TO HEAR UNDER PUBLIC  AUDIENCE. THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING. WE HAVE ALSO GREAT DEALED TO  KEEP PUBLIC COMMENT AS ONE  DURATION IN THE DEPINGE OF THE  MEETING. AND IN TERMS OF ONLINE PUBLIC  COMMENT WE WILL CONTINUE TO  ALLOW THAT. THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF ALL  OF THE TOPICS DISCUSSED. DID I MISS ANYTHING OR DID I  MISSUMMARIZE ANYTHING? >> DO WE HAVE CLARITY ON  COMMISSIONER VOTING WHEN THEY'RE PRESENT OR NOT PRESENT. >> YOUR STATEMENT IS CORRECT  UNDER THE CURRENT LAW. A COMMISSIONER CAN APPEAR, AND  SPEAK AND DISCUSS AN ITEM. THEY CANNOT VOTE UNLESS IT'S FOR A DOCUMENTED EXTREME MEDICAL  HARDSHIP AND THAT WOULD BE ON A  CASE-BY-CASE BASIS. >> Mayor: THANK YOU. NOW WE WILL ENACT THESE RULES  STARTING NOW. UNLESS THERE'S ANY OBJECTION  THAT MEANS PUBLIC AUDIENCE WE  WILL PROCEED NOW. IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK YOU HAVE  THREE MINUTES PER PERSON. THAT IS A TIME FOR YOU TO BE  HEARD. YOU WILL ADDRESS YOUR COMMENTS  TO ME OR TO THE BODY THROUGH ME. YOU ARE TALKING TO ME. YOU ARE NOT DIRECTING IT TO  ANYONE ELSE. LET ME SWITCH THE TIMER. STATE YOUR NAME. YOU MAY  >> SUSAN OYER. I DON'T HAVE TO GIVE MY ADDRESS. SO YAY POWER TO THE PEOPLE. THANK YOU FOR DOING THE RIGHT  THING UP HERE TONIGHT. WHAT I'M PASSING SOMEONE IN CODE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE COURTESY  NOTICE WHICH IS PROBABLY NEVER  THE RIGHT CHOICE. SO A LITTLE HISTORY. THIS IS ABOUT THE GRAVEL I HAVE  IN MY DRIVEWAY AND FRONT YARD. IN 2018 AND MAERYL REMEMBER THI. YOU AND I HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT HAVING A ECOFRIENDLY DRIVEWAY. AND YOU ADMITTED YOU HAD SEEN A  VIDEO AND HOW FWRAT THIS IS. AT SOME POINT THAT SPRING AND I  DON'T REMEMBER THE DATE BECAUSE  YOU WERE ON THE BOARD. AND BUT IT'S NOT IN IN THE  MINUTES OR NOT ON AGENDA. IT WAS APPROVED TO HAVE ME TO  HAVE THIS GRAVEL SYSTEM  DRIVEWAY. WELL IN 2022 I SAVED ENOUGH  ENOUGH MONEY. THE PERMITS ON 8/16/22. RIGHT THERE I'M HAVING OH IRIS  CASTILLO WHO'S COMPLAINING ABOUT MY GRAVEL DRIVEWAY. I HAVE LIVED IN THAT HOUSE FOR  12 YEARS. THERE'S A HOUSE IN FOREST PARK  I'VE BEEN USED TO WALK BY AS A  CHILD. IT'S BEEN THERE 50 YEARS. AND IT'S ALL CACTUS AND  DEPRALVE. NEVER HAS THAT PERSON BEEN  HARASSED AND I HAVE NO GRASS MOO ON MY FRONT YARD. MY FRONT YARD WAS NOTHING BUT  SAND AND WEEDS WHEN I MOVED IN  12 YEARS CAN. MY FRONT YARD IS ALL GRAVEL. AND GUESS WHAT I HAVE HUNDREDS  OF FLOWERS. SO NO ONE COMPLAINS ABOUT MY  YARD BEING UGLY. SO I CHALLENGE YOU TO FIND  SOMETHING WITHDRAWNING WITH MY  YARD. I REALLY THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THIS PERSON. AND ABOUT HAVING ARTIFICIAL  TURF. WHAT I'VE GIVEN YOU A VARIETY OF THING. THIS IS NOT INCLUSIVE BY ANY  MEANS. THIS IS WHAT I CAN QUICKLY FIND. THE 2008 STATUTES. THE 2011 STATUTES. A LETTER FROM THE STATE ATTORNEY AND THE ENERGY EFFICIENCY, AND  CONSE CONSERVATION ACT. AND I TRIED TO REACH OUT TO  PATRICK HART. BECAUSE HE'S USUALLY VERY  RESPONSIVE. PLEASE LOOK INTO THIS. THANK YOU. >> Mayor: NEXT PERSON. BEGIN WHEN YOU'RE READY. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MY NAME IS BRAUGHER BRIE REEDY. TONIGHT I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER TO COMMISSIONER CRUISE AND  COMMISSIONER HAY FOR ASKING VERY PERTINENT QUESTIONS AT THE LAST  COMMISSION MEETING. ORDINANCES ARE THE RULES. BOYNTON BEACH RULES FOR BOYNTON  BEACH. AND THESE PROCESSES HAVE BEEN  WELL-ESTABLISHED PROTOCOLS FOR A VERY LONG TIME. THERE WERE TWO TIMES THAT WERE  DROPPED FROM THAT JULY 2ND  AGENDA. ONE WAS AN AGENDA THAT WAS ADDED TO THAT AGENDA BY THE CITY  ATTORNEY. AS AN UPDATE ON THE E2L ISSUE  UNDER THE LEGAL CATEGORY ON THE  AGENDA. SOME OF US WOULD STILL BE  INTERESTED IN HEARING THAT  UPDATE THAT THE ATTORNEY PLANNED TO GIVE AT SOME POINT. I'D LIKE TO OFFER AN A  SUGGESTION TO DEAL WITH THE  ENORMOUS TO BE DETERMINED LIST  THAT HAS BEEN DRAGGED ON AGENDA  AFTER AGENDA AFTER AGENDA  PERHAPS IF THE CITY MANAGER  WOULD PARCEL OUT THE LIST OF --  MOST OF THEM ARE QUESTIONS THAT  THE COMMISSIONERS HAVE. PARCEL THEM OUT TO THE  APPROPRIATE CITY DEPARTMENT AND  GET ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTIONS  BECAUSE AFTER ALL EVERYONE  DESERVES TO HAVE THEIR QUESTIONS ANSWERED. EVEN COMMISSIONER. THANK YOU. >> Mayor: THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER ON THE OTHER  PODIUM. >> MACK McCRAY. FORMER COMMISSIONER FOR THE CITY OF BOYNTBOYNTON. COMMISSIONER FROM DISTRICT 2  WALKS UP AND DURING THE EETTE I  DISCUSSION. BUT I TOOK THAT CLASS ABOUT 15  YEARS AGO. THAT WAS ONE OF THOSE  REQUIREMENTS AND SIR YOU ARE  RIGHT. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS YOU NEED TO CORRECT UP. THERE YOU TALKED ABOUT YOUR  AGENDA. MAYOR YOU NEED TO GO BACK AND  FIND OUT WHEN THIS WAS PUT ON. WHEN IT WAS PUT UP. NOBODY READ IT TO THE CITIZENS. THEY SAID IT'S FOUND ON THE  SECOND PAGE. WE ARE NOT IN A CLASSROOM  SETTING. YOU WANT US TO RESPECT YOU. YOU HAVE TO RESPECT US. WE PAY YOUR MONEY AND WE EXPECT  THINGS IN RETURN. IN RETURNS TO THE ATTORNEY  SAYING THEY WANTS SOMETHING TO  DO. HOPE HOPEFULLY SHE WANTS TO LOOK AT  THESE LAWSUITS. SHE'S A FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT SHE DOES AND I DON'T CARE. I DON'T THINK WE'RE GETTING MY  MONEY'S WORTH ADDRESSING  EVERYTHING TO YOU. WHEN YOU READ ABOUT THIS DO YOU  HAVE A DECORUM FOR YOU ALL UP  HERE. THE FIRST MEETING IN JULY YOU  ALL THE POLICE LIKE TO TAKE THE  CITIZENS OUT. THEY SHOULD HAVE ESCORTED THE  TWO OF YOU IT. VICE MAYOR AND THE COMMISSIONER  FOR DISTRICT 2 WHEN THE TWO OF  YOU WERE NOT WITH AN EXCELLENT  AND YOU SHOULD BE COMMENDED. THANK YOU. >> Mayor: THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER. >> GOOD EVENING. FIRST OFF THANKS A LOT FOR  LETTING ME SPEAK. I'M THANKING THE COMMISSIONERS  WHAT IN THE STRATEGIC PLAN. THE EMBER IS STILL THERE. HE WOULDN'T BUILD A HOUSE  WITHOUT OOH FOUNDATION. NONE OF YOU WOULD DO THAT. YOU WOULDN'T GO ON A HIKE  WITHOUT A MAP AND COMPASS. BUT YOU'D RUN A CITY FOR TWO  YEARS HUNDREDS MILLION BUDGET  WITHOUT THE SAME THING. NO ROADMAP. NO GOALS. NO VISIONS NO PLANS WE'RE IN THE END OF OUR SECOND BUDGET CYCLE  WITHOUT THE FOUNDATION, WITHOUT  THE COMPASS, WITHOUT THE  ROADMAP. I GUESS WHEN I STARRED TALKING  ABOUT IN APRIL OF 2023. YOU GUYS WERE NEW. I THOUGHT THERE WAS A LOT OF  VA VALUE. EVERY OTHER COMPANY HAS THOUGHT  OF IT. AND MOST CITIES AND MOST  GOVERNMENTS AND ALL AROUND THE  WORLD HAVE DONE IT. THE BOOKS STARTING COMING OUT IN THE LATE 1800s. HAVING CLEAR GOALS AND VISIONS. NOT ONE PERSON CAN TELL THE  80,000 RESIDENTS OF THIS CITY  WHERE WE'RE GOING. NOT ONE. NOT THE CITY MANAGER. AND NOT THE COMMISSIONERS AND  I'M NOT PICKING ON YOU DEPIS. THIS IS SIMPLE STUFF. COMMUNICATE AND START WRITE IT  DOWN. IF YOU DON'T ENVISION IT AND  PLANET AND GOALS IT DOESN'T  HAPPEN. FOUNDATION, A COMPASS A MAP WE  CAN DO THIS. IT'S NOT THAT COMPLICATED. IT DOES NOT NEED A CONSULTANT. YOU'RE MAKING A QUARTER MILLION  DOLLARS A YEAR YOU CAN DO IT. YOU CAN DO THIS. DO IT. HOW DO YOU PRIORITIZE THE  RESOURCES. HOW DO YOU PRIORITIZE THE GOALS. HOW DO YOU PRIORITIZE ANYTHING  WITHOUT KNOWING WHERE IN THE  HECK YOU'RE GOING. THE COMPASS THE FOUNDATION, THE  ROADMAP. PLEASE DON'T MAKE ME KEEP COMING BACK FOR THE NEXT YEAR. PLEASE TELL THE PEOPLE WHEN  WE'RE DOING HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS DOLLARS YEAR AFTER YEAR. WHERE ARE WE GOING. LOOK AT THE DASHBOARD, AND  FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'RE TAKING  THIS PLACE. NOT JUST ONE BUT THE OTHER  79,000 WOULD LIKE TO KNOW TOO. >> Mayor: NEXT SPEAKER. S CINDY CORRADO. YOU DID THE RIGHT THINK BY  CHOOSING TO UPHOLD THE FIRST  AMENDMENT OF FREE SPEECH. YOU DO UNDERSTAND WE DO PAY YOUR SALARIES AND WE DO HAVE THINGS  TO SAY. AS I WAS LISTENING TO THE  DILEMMA ABOUT PEOPLE HAVE  QUESTIONS AND YOU DON'T HAVE  THEIR ADDRESS OR WAY TO GET BACK TO THEM. AND SOMEONE HAD A SITUATION SHE  COULD SAY PLEASE TAKE THIS AND  FILL OUT SO WE CAN GET YOUR  INFORMATION AND WE CAN ANSWER  YOUR QUESTIONS. ALSO YOU HAVE EMAILS THAT'S ON  THE RECORD. IF YOU'RE RIGHTING TO YOUR  COMMISSIONERS AND YOU'RE TELLING THEM YOUR ISSUES YOU CAN STILL  TALK TO YOUR COMMISSIONERS. THOSE ARE YOUR REPRESENTATIONS. ME AMERICANS. WE ARE YOUR BOSSES. I KNOW YOU DON'T FEEL THAT WAY. BUT WE DO PAY YOUR SALARIES  BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THE TAX  DOLLARS THAT PAYS YOUR BILLS. WE WANT THE SAME RESPECT THAT  YOU WANT. WHEN SOMEONE CALLS THE CITY  MANAGER A PECKERWOOD AND CALLS  ME AN INDIGENT AND IT'S NOT  HEARD BY THE PERSON THAT'S THE  CHAIR BUT SEND SOMEBODY TO BEAT  ME UP AND IT'S UNFATHOMABLE. NOT HEAR NAUPT THE FIRST TIME  BUT OTHER TIMES SHUPT THE MIC  OFF. THOSE ARE VERY RUDE AND VERY  DISRESPECTFUL. I'M OLDER:  AND PROBABLY NOT YOU BUT MOST OF YOU. AND SO I WOULD ASK FOR RESPECT. YOU WANT RESPECT YOU GIVE  RESPECT. AND YOU HAVE TO RESPECT WE'RE  SITTING OUT HERE. AND WHAT WE SEE AND HEAR  SOMETIMES. OUR TIME IS VALUABLE TOO. SO WHEN YOU'RE PAY MAKING YOUR  DECISIONS. GET TO THE POINT. IT'S VERY HARD TO SIT OUT HERE  WHEN YOU HEAR THE SAME THING 10  DIFFERENT WAYS. OUR TIME IS VALUABLE. JUST LIKE YOUR TIME IS VALUABLE. RESPECT THAT WE WORK HARD TO PAY YOUR BILLS TO GIVE YOU A SALARY  AND YOU WERE ELECTED OFFICIALS  TO REPRESENT WHO. WE THE PEOPLE. ALL I ASK THAT YOU DO THAT WITH  RESPECT AND HONOR. WE'RE ALL CREATED IN THE IM UM  OF GOD. IF YOU SHADE THAT I BEIGE THEN  YOU'RE CREATING THE DECISION. THAT'S NOT UNITY. UNITY WE'RE ALL CREATED IN THE  IMAGE OF GOD. I SHOULD TREAT YOU MUCH BETTER. I SHOULD LAY MY LIFE DOWN. AND THEN LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AND  THAT GOES WITH YOU SITTING ON  THE DAIS AS WELL AS US OUT HERE. WE NEED TO DO THAT. THANK YOU. >> Mayor: THANK YOU. NEXT PERSON NEXT SPEAKER. >> I JUST WANT TO SAY I HAVE  PLENTY OF FRIENDS WHO WORK FOR  THE CITY OF BOYNTON BEACH. AND MOST OF THE STAFF THAT WORK  ARE TRULY UN AWARE IS INTERNAL  INVESTIGATIONS POSITION THAT WAS DEPARTMENT POSITION THAT WAS  CREATED I'M ASSUMING WITH THE  CITY MANAGER WITHOUT GIVING THE  COMMISSIONER AND BOARDS  APPROVAL. WHEN I SPEAK TO SOME OF MY  COMMISSIONERS THEY COULDN'T GIVE ME A RHYME OR RATIONAL FOR THIS. THIS DEPARTMENT TO BE CREATED A  LOT OF THE CITY WORKERS ARE  WALKING ON EGGSHELLS AND  CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR JOBS BUT  THEY'RE BLAMING IT ON THE  COMMISSION AND MAYOR. AND COMING TO UP OVERSIGHT IS  NOT THE COMMISSION AND MAYOR. BECAUSE THEY CAN'T SPEAK BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO LOSE THEIR JOBS IF THEY DO SO. I ALSO WANTED TO COMMEND  COMMISSIONER CRUZ FOR AS WELL. LAST WEEK WHEN IT CAME TO THE  CONCERN ABOUT THE SITTING  AUTHORITY FOR THE CITY MANAGER  AND THE FACT THAT OUR ATTORNEY  WAS NOT ABLE TO GIVE YOU A FORM  TO CAUSES THIS DEEP CONCERN THIS AUTHORITY MOVED OVER TOth CITY  MANAGER OVER HUNDRED K HE WOULD  GET THAT. I THINK THAT THE TIME OVER HAUL  THE RULES AND ON THE GROUND  LATIONS OF OUR WEAK AND BOGUS  POLICIES THAT STILL ALLOW RURAL  POLICE OFFICERS TO KEEP THEIR  JOBS DESPITE THEIR SUB PAR  PROFESSIONAL SERVICES WE DON'T  WANT OUR ROGUE COP BACK. WE CARE WHAT IS GHOING ON IN UR  COMMUNITY. A LOT OF IS PETTY. WE'RE HERE AND WE'RE HERE TO  STAY. WE'RE GOING TO REPRESENT OUR  COMMUNITY. DO WHAT'S RIGHT AND STOP HAVING  THESE BACKYARD CONVERSATIONS AND DOING THESE THINGS THAT YOUR  EMPLOYEES ARE AFRAID TO TALK  ABOUT. >> Mayor: NEXT PUBLIC COMMENT  SPEAKER. AFTER THE IN PERSON. STATE YOUR NAME AND BEGIN WHEN  YOU'RE READ EACH. >> GOOD EVENING. GILL TURANO. MY MAYOR, I WANTED TO BRING  SOMETHING TO SHOW YOU THIS  EVENING. THIS IS ONE OF MY PRIDE  POSSESSIONS. IT'S A STATE CHAMPION PLAQUE I  COACHING A TEAM HERE IN BOYNTON  BEACH LITTLE LEAGUE. I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE GOING TO  HAVE A MEETING FOR THE LITTLE  LEAGUE. ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE  LITTLE LEAGUE HAS A LAWSUIT  AGAINST YOU IS THE LACK OF  COMMUNICATION FROM STAFF. LACK OF COMMUNICATION FOR A  PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL WHO NOW  HOLDS EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS TO A  FIELD. THE DARKEST DAY I EVER HAD WAS  INTRODUCING MY TO THIS CITY. THE REASON IS BECAUSE MIKE BAR  ROSE ISN'T HERE FOR HIS  COMMUNITY. HE'S HERE FOR HIMSELF. ABOUT THREE OR FOUR DAYS THAT  THE MIKE BORROWS DID ON THE NEW. NOT ONE KID FROM EAST BOYNTON  MADE IT. THAT'S A VIOLATION UNDER HIS  CONTRACT. CONTRACT THAT WAS APPROVED BY  STAFF, BY INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE  HERE THIS EVENING AND BY  INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE JOINING US  VIRTUALLY. MIKE DIDN'T COME HERE FOR ANY  OTHER REASON THAN TO GET A FREE  FIELD. MIKE DIDN'T EARN THIS. I DID. ON ANOTHER NOTE, I'M GOING TO  TRY TO SUM. MR. MAYOR I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE  PLEASE TAKE NOTICE TO AN  INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED ON S SEACREST BOULEVARD MAY 23RD AT  1:30 A.M. WHEN I WAS RUDELY  INTERRUPTED WHILE SLEEPING FOR A DUI ACCIDENT ON SEACREST  BOULEVARD JUST SOUTH OF WOULD  LIKE BRIGHT ROAD WHICH ALSO TOOK OUT THE HIGH POINT ENTRANCE TO  THAT COMMUNITY. A SPECIFIC COMMISSIONER CAME TO  THAT SCENE AND GOT AN INDIVIDUAL OUT OF A DUI. I'M ASKING THAT YOU RUN A FULL  INVESTIGATION ON THIS. IMMEDIATELY. SPEAKING OF WHICH, CODE OFFETTE  ICKEDS WAS HERE THIS EVENING. I NOTICE THAT INDIVIDUAL IS NOT. I THINK YOU GUYS KNOW WHO IT IS. THANK YOU. >> Mayor: IS THERE ANYONE ELSE  IN THE CHAMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE  TO PEAK. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO, THOUGH,S ONLINE. JESSICA FERGUSON. I KNOW YOU'RE ONLINE I WILL LET  YOU KNOW WHEN YOU HAVE 30  SECONDS LEFT. >> GOOD EVENING JESSICA  FERGUSON. I WOULD LIKE TAKE SOME TIME TO  KEEP CONGRATULATING EAST BOYNTON BEACH NATIONAL ALL-STAR TEAM FOR WINNING DISTRICTS AND STATE AND  TRAVELLING TO CHARLESTON NORTH  CAROLINA. WE UNFORTUNATELY DID NOT GET THE W AT THE REGIONALS. TO HIT THE FIELD AS THEY THINK  ABOUT WITH THE GOAL OF MAKING IT TO THE LITTLE LEAGUE WORLD  SERIES AND REPRESENTING OUR CITY OF BOYNTON BEACH. I WOULD LIKE TO LOCAL BUSINESSES FOR SUPPORTING THIS LITTLE  LEAGUE ALL STARS TEAM AND TRAVEL TO THESE AWAY LITTLE LEAGUE  TOURNAMENTS. TOURNAMENT AND THEIR'S JOURNAL  TOURNAMENT IN NORTH CAROLINA  ALONG $100 STIPEND FOR FOOD FOR  THEM AND THEIR FAMILIES. AND STILL DO. AND AGAIN THANK YOU ONCE AGAIN. I WOULD LIKE AND HOPE THAT THE  CITY PUBLICLY RECOGNIZES THESE  BOYS FOR THIS AMAZING  ACCOMPLISHMENT. I THINK THEY DESERVE THAT. AND I QUICKLY WANT TO CHANGE THE TOPIC. I WOULD LIKE OUR LITTLE LEAGUE  IS IN DIRE OF FIELDS AND ADDING  THAT PLEASE NOT ENTERTAIN ANY  MORE INDOOR FACILITIES IF INDEED THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT BACK UP. HELP US IN GROWING THIS LITTLE  LEAGUE AND PAVING THE WAY. LAST LEER OUR LITTLE LEAGUE  BOYNTON BEACH IS OPEN UNTIL  AUGUST 10TH. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TONIGHT. >> Mayor: THANK YOU. WE HAVE A MIKE TAYLOR. MIKE I'LL LET YOU KNOW YOU HAVE  30 SECONDS ON THE CLOCK. >> ALL RIGHT. PERFECT. I DO WANT TO SAY HI CINDY. I AM WATCHING AND I WISH I WANT  AT THE LAST MEETING. I'VE HEARD THE WORD THICK SKIN. YOU KNOW, THE THING ABOUT THE  FIRST AMENDMENT IS YES WE HAVE  TO HAVE THICK SKIN. MY NAME MICHAEL TIE LOR BUT I GO BY THE ARMED FISHMAN ON YouTube. CONTACT ME. THE MAYOR IF YOU CAN PASS THIS  ALONG TO THE ATTORNEY, TELL THE  ATTORNEY TO LOOK INTO DAVID  WAR WARTROSE VERSUS STATE OF FLORIDA AND GET YOUR PANHANDLING  ORDINANCE DEALT WITH. THE SECOND THING I KEEP THINKING ABOUT THESE COMMENT KAURPEDS. WE HAVE A FOURTH AMENDMENT. EVERY ONE OF ON THAT DAIS HAS  SWORN AN OATH TO UPHOLD AND  PROTECT THE CONSTITUTION. THAT IS THE FOURTH AMENDMENT. RIGHT. I HAVE UNLESS I'M COMMITTED YOU  SUSPECT ME OF A CRIME YOU CAN'T  GET MY IDENTIFICATION BUT I  DIGRESS FROM THAT. I HAVE SENT YOU EMAILS AND NONE  OF MY EMAILS HAVE BEEN -- I'VE  GOTTEN NOTHING. BUT REGARDLESS. HOPEFULLY YOU'VE STARTED TO  REACHING OUT TO ARMED F FISHMAN@GMAIL. ONCE AGAIN WHAT I'M HEARING IN  BOYNTON IS NO DIFFERENT THAN  CLEARWATER. I DON'T LIVE IN BOYNTON AND I  DON'T LIVE IN CLEARWATER. I TRULY THAT WANT TO CONTINUE TO LET ME FROM PORT ST. LUCIE  FLORIDA TO ATTEND THESE MEETINGS AND DISCUSS THINGS THAT ARE VERY PERTINENT. YOU ALL SWORE AN OATH EVERY ONE  OF YOU. SO CLEARWATER IS DOING THE SAME  THING, AND CLEARWATER HAS  SPECIFICALLY MADE IT BECAUSE OF  ME. THEY SAID MY NAME. I'VE DONE EVERYTHING -- THERE'S  NO DOUBT IN MY MIND WHAT  CLEARWATER AND WHAT BOYNTON IS  POSSIBLY GOING TO DO IS NO  DIFFERENT. RESPECT OUR CONSTITUTIONAL  RIGHTS, SAND THINGS WOULD  PROBABLY GO A LOT EASIER. SOME PEOPLE ONCE I COME BACK TO  THE THICK SKIN. I HAVE TO HAVE THICK SKIN. I'VE GOT. >> Mayor: THANK YOU, SIR. >> I'VE GOT 200,000 SUBSCRIBERS. >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. HAVE A GREAT DAY. >> Mayor: IS THERE ANYONE