##VIDEO ID:cUKj4huHTe8## mayor members of the council thanks for coming to our Workshop here Monday the 19th at 6: p.m. so our primary and pretty much sole item of discussion for tonight I was as was Set uh at the council meeting August 5th is we're going to walk through uh draft of the preliminary 20125 budget um get your comments your feedback um anything things you would like to see change clarified Etc in advance of the September 3rd council meeting when we will adopt the pre preliminary budget and Levy as required by State Statute so in front of you we do have a lot of number of documents um the budget documents in front of you I have it on the screen as well so I I have it in the Excel DOC format so if we ever want if you want to make any changes on the fly or anything I can easily do so so you can see that um but we're just going to walk through it as you have it in front of you so it starts with general fund that's primary our focus our discussion and we'll talk about briefly about the other funds but general fund that's our operating fund so we're going to focus on that tonight um what I'm going to do is just kind of walk through it um not going to go exactly line by line I'll just call out things um if they ever had a a significant change to them um and then there's some other some of the significant things in the budget we'll talk about as we go um different things at some of the different departments so unless there's any questions right off I'll just jump right in okay so starting with uh fund 100 that's a general fund that first page starts with revenues um so again uh that first line is that that property tax revenue during this period we always list L that at zero because that'll end up being what the levy is um so determine that Levy we keep that number zero to start um again as I'll present when on September 3rd when we're creating the budget we're creating what the levy is the levy is you know expenditures take expenditures subtract any non- tax revenue and then whatever is left is that's what we need to our tax levy to be so looking at our revenues um some of these for example like p&i delinquent taxes those are just we're doing that based off of year to um year-over-year actuals so that's why we increased that um some of the things you'll see like tax forfeiture sales I just kept it as is um it's been that way um last couple of years you'll see it's zero right now it's because the uh County normally does their um their budget or their sales in like August September so the a lot of these UC year-to date numbers that's of June 30 so the midyear point so we had the county had not done any land sales as of then and then we don't necessarily get our portion of that land sales until we get our December um tax settlement uh licenses and permits those are short-term rentals uh just talked to Pete today we're at 36 um short-term rentals right now so we anticipate kind of that'll be roughly the same number for next year uh business license and permits those are those are mainly liquor licenses that are on a kind of a two-year so on even years um we don't do them so that's why you'll see even in like 20 I mean odd years we don't do them so 2023 is Zer 2022 12,000 um this year that 2200 that's it's like mainly the North Star um and some of those other ones that got liquor license for the first time so kind of an off year Uhl cart permits we did surpass 700 permits this year we I think we're at we actually had or Deb actually had to ordered an additional 50 um so we estimated uh this number based off of 700 again um well again we don't want to go over we want to just have a little bit of a cushion there so we based that off of 700 per uh golf cart permits land use um went up slightly just because that's what we're seeing um what we've been seeing so far is an increase in variances and things like that um building permits uh that went up a little bit based off of uh both what we've seen year-over-year as well as what we've seen this year we're continuing to see um a decent building Market um Pete do you know how many I didn't guess I didn't look new builds we have so far this year the top of my head I think we're over 20 though yes so we're over 20 yet again so we consider between that new builds and remodels um we've been seeing quite a uptick uh know Pete's been busy this summer um LGA that line um went down a little bit this originally what this mostly is is the state in 2023 the legislature created you create uh created a new sales tax in the metro area and that a certain percentage of that is used for transportation in Greater Minnesota um originally they anticipated we were going to get like 999,000 this year it was a slow roll out we just got our first payment um in July and I think it was for like 20,000 I don't I can't remember exactly Janette if you saw that how much that was for um but they're estimating for our payment next year to be about 60 so that's something they do consider the the as this uh sales tax keeps going um they do anticipate will will grow um let's see any other any significant changes along these lines um I don't think there's any significant changes police PR that goes up a little bit every single year the Pelican Police contract uh we are proposing a $2,500 increase to the next year just again just because our costs keep going up um and and chief sandel's been in communication with the the the Township board so um they know to anticipate that kind of an increase um looking at other revenues um nothing super significant other than looking at what we got year over-year um the biggest one will become from this you'll see a reduction from 130 to 5,000 here and this transfer from other fund uh this 5,000 is the transfer from the cemetery fund to the general fund to help cover some of the cost Public Works does at the cemetery and then last year you had a one you transferred $125,000 from the capital Fund in 2024 that was partly to cover um the uh wage increases that were that were went to effect beginning of this year so that's revenues any quick questions on revenues okay now we'll go to expenditures start off with city council uh very little bit of change only change there was just based off of P what council members are actually choosing to elect PE otherwise the budget is the same um there on the ad inside um wait and you'll see this I'll just cover this now and then obviously I won't have to hit it for the rest of the Departments um for each department under compensation um when we did the wage structure change we moved to a January 1 anniversary for everyone so everyone takes their step increase on January 1 so you have those are incorporated as well as the pre already negotiated 3% Cola so those are Incorporated here also so in um that the com the wages then affect the PE and the an FICA and Medicare so those are based off of wages so um any changes you see there you'll see changed in FICA and Medicare also um there's not a whole lot of change um if you look at the other departments as well on health and dental um we are having to change our health care provider this year uh Health Partners who we've had for a number of years um decided that they're dumping pretty much all small group in Greater Minnesota so unless you're a large group and they like you they're dumping you so we were forced to find a new provider um for this upcoming year we did uh work with our um our broker our health insurance broker and we think the the best course would be move to Blue Cross Blue uh no Medica Meda um we looked at Medica Blue Cross Blue Shield and J which one am I missing uh they were the least of they're the least best option United was it United yeah United thank you so those are the three that really provide service to this area um Meda got us as close to our current coverage and is actually essentially a wash between this year and next year so we don't won't see an increase um in in premiums by switching to Meda and it also provides roughly the as much of the same benefit as health part Partners did to the employees um so that's that um you'll also see across the department slight increases in training and education again that comes down to an increased emphasis on professional development that that was one thing that was um pointed out uh in the organizational assessment was to continue um encouraging uh training and education professional development opportunities so that also goes into dues and subscription so membership dues and such so you'll see that across the board um elections obviously we don't have a 20 we don't have any elections in 2025 so there's no cost there um the biggest thing you'll see um and I sent it out earlier today I do apologize didn't get out earlier but I was working on it even over the weekend on the administration side so on August 5th at the council meeting uh when you accepted administ assistant City administrator Ikes um resignation I mentioned that I wasn't going to at request authorization to post the position right away because I wanted to take the opportunity to evaluate it um and see what of our needs and if anything needed to change um again know there no critique on on administrator Iken what he's done for the city just again looking at he had a specific set of skills and what kind of things we can shift things around is there is there new emphasis that I think we need so in but in front of you I do have a memo I am actually making a recommendation to reorg the position um from an assistant City administrator to a finance director clerk position um in the memo lines out all My reasonings mainly it comes down to when I looked at what ACI ik was doing as well as what I think um some of the stuff I was doing and one of the things I think we need more emphasis on um I think it came down to um definitely more on the finance side Janette does a fantastic job as our finance specialist and doing the day-to-day financials um I think but I think especially as we've been talking about City Hall you know Bushman um streets CIP I think it'd be really nice to I think it'd be beneficial to the city um to bring in that next level of expertise and accountant a finance director um to really walk the city through those things um you know I think at this stage of the game I've pretty much maxed out my financial Acumen um you know I'm very familiar obviously with Municipal Finance but being able to have someone who can take that the next level I think would be very beneficial for the city take some of the load off of Janette as well um with all that she has to do especially when it comes to things like Audits and and all that I have a question um how would this person work with you Janette what is that so so with with this position again this this position would then supervise the overall finances so the I'm not recommending any changes to the finance to any any job description there might be need to change to the administrator description um but in this situation um you would see like in most Finance director positions you still have you know a finance specialist who's doing you know the accounts payable all of that day-to-day stuff the finance director is the one who's reviewing it signing off on it doing that additional level analysis of for example again the CIP where's the money coming from to fund the CIP how are we funding Street projects are you doing that currently Curr okay yeah so they would be taking those those duties and again having a more financial expertise around them would that also allow me then or the administrator's position to then do is really take back and focus on the things like research and policy analysis special project management working with the Council on different initiatives which right now some of that stuff I have had to you know as assistant City administrator I been doing that so it allow things that maybe really should lie with the city administrator allow me to take them back um so that's my recommendation with that I did do um a wage analysis and job type description analysis just like I did a year ago when we did um the wage analysis um so you see in in the I do have that um proposed salary range um for the position based off of that which is would actually be about $5 lower than the current 2025 assistant City ministrator salary range so there may me some savings there it's not to say why I'm recommending it but um that's you know based off of my analysis of the organization right now um that's I think what would be best served in the short term as well as the long term um there are obviously other avenues you could take you could look at um you know contract there are companies like ABDO who has um provide who's provided us assistance with accounting can do a consultant service where they essentially Act as your Finance director from afar and they do a lot of those Services um actually talked with the administrator in New Hope um they actually the city of New Hope ABDO serves as their fin they have like four internal Finance staff but ABDO is their Finance director um so it's not uncommon for cities even the size of New Hope You Know 30,000 people to do that um there would be some Savings in that you know based off of talking even to ABDO what kind of s you know I don't have a formal proposal but talking to them about what we would do and what they've done for other cities our size um you know probably be in that 75 to $90,000 range um so we take into wages and then benefits you'd be saving probably close to you know maybe $50,000 or more um on the defect you lose a body in in house you know they're they're a part-time position so there are other options um from that Finance side um that you could pursue as well if you don't um see the benefit of a full-time director um I have some comments I was looking around the different cities you know I guess in my opinion it's not that I disagree with this but I think we should have more information before we proceed with anything like this uh pquad has a city administrator city clerk Treasurer um niswa City administrator clerk Treasurer um Cross Lake city clerk you know Deputy clerk Treasurer you know have we looked at you know expanding the finance specialist duties um another admin position you know the contract piece um if it's not needed you know all year but I guess I would like to see you know different options at the September 3rd meeting um besides just what was proposed so we have something to compare it to okay um and then also um who would be then taking over the day-to-day social media website interface for the resident side of Y that's something that would be worked out be myself maybe that's something that we train in Deb to do um that's something that can be moved around as well okay um and then um Janette have you have you guys discussed the promotion that potentially Janette could then move to a finance director role well if we created this position obviously there would be an opportunity you know if you wanted to pursue that but but the part of it before we even discuss that I think there's an element of you know is this because then it's not just a promoting a position it's creating you know I wouldn't want to just promote to finance director and not have the finance specialist position you know you get what I'm getting at yeah so if we created this position then if Janette wanted to pursue that position we'd absolutely have that discussion okay okay yeah I kind of would Echo U Mr Jensen's comments I think it's good to have in the budget for this but I think more discussion around what that staff and headcount looks like how how the reorg will take effect um I don't know if we want to make a small subcommittee Personnel committee would be great on this one um or just direct just discuss at a whole in September I think it's in my opinion just too quick to make a decision I mean we need more information and I will say is this something that you want to be able to make a decision in September or we put this in again the September is not your final budget MH so it can it can only you know you can you can put it in as it is now and then you know September October November decide okay we actually want to do this position and then drop it like can we just budget for another body so basically we budget for kind of like the most expensive option anything other than this would be less okay so you can always back it down yeah for preliminary budgeting purposes I would recommend leaving it but the actual and as we have further budget discussions yeah we do present the other options and then the council can select what you think is best okay yeah good absolutely okay back to the preliminary so I think that covered um ad Administration uh City attorney best based off of act you know year-over-year actuals and what we're seeing the City attorney is doing I'm recommending a increase to 30,000 um for the City Attorney Services other government um you'll see liability Assurance across the board that goes up a little bit every single year sometimes it you know so uh I'm recommending a little increase on that right now cuz we don't know what the exactly what that's going to look like at this time um on the audit accounting side uh a little bit increase there it covers the audit um and then some accounting assistance really one of the things that we had in here is looking at um one of the recommendations that also came out of the organizational assessment and I think Janette and I agree um should be done is the city's um chart of accounts really needs to be updated um so we had a proposal um from ABDO to be able to provide that service to do that for us um so that's part of what that is in there for um if you you know if we went the finance director route if you choose that maybe that's something that person can do and we don't have to do that service but that's just in there right now um that is also uh split between um general fund and Sewer because Finance covers both of that um looking at it Animal Control you'll see there's a slight incre there's an increase there again what that is is per the contract there's a slight increase in the contract with animal control but also if you remember the beginning of this year um we were told binsky Foundation which had long time took the animals said no more so we had to sign a contract with har which did have a fee um that was done after the beginning of the year after the budget was adopted so um this year this includes the animal control cont contract as well as heart and some heart impound costs uh fire district went up a little bit I I'll be honest guesstimated there I haven't received their final number um what what's been adopted for the fire district um I anticipate that that'll be much lower than 330 because of with the capital fund and that cost it's only operating that should go up um so that is the number that will likely probably go down um than from what's in there right now but I wanted to make sure that there was enough in there um so we're not having to increase it later and then having a problem with the that um so it sport I was just curious should we look would this include any type of HR Support where would HR support support should we decide that that would be something that support is our is what we pay on systems to be our cheap I just saw support too so um is there a line that if should we look at any type of HR Services Professional Services given that we don't have a Personnel committee where would that be budgeted under Professional Services okay um and currently we have nothing in there for HR Services currently not because something the council has discussed putting in there okay um I I guess I would like to hear from you guys too I I think that it would be worth looking at you know where would we get these Services sourcewell is that some so I have you know when this was brought up earlier in their year as well I looked there are companies that provide HR services but I'm not sure that what the council is looking for all the services I've seen from HR firms like ABDO has some has an HR Wing uh David drown assists DDA Human Resources GMP Human Resources gov HR the human resources they are generally providing are like compensation studies recruitment Services reviewing of personnel policies they're not being your HR Director um I won't say I haven't exhausted my search um but I haven't seen anyone yet that does that um I want I have previously at the beginning of the year when you when you inquired reached out to colleagues I wasn't didn't really get any Headway with colleagues either so um we can still do more I'll obviously do more research but I'm just not sure at this point point maybe I'm not looking in the right locations for this kind of a service um but I definitely need to do more research I think find the service that the council is looking for well I think without a Personnel committee it would be more um you know the code of conduct stuff um basically what you know if there's issues between staff the administrator the administrator has an issue um you know with staff um it just a gray area with MH the um that issue without a Personnel committee for staff and it goes two ways with administrator you know how are things handled what's the proper you know procedure we did amend it in February where staff could go to council but um you know councils had no training I mean well that was the same with person to issue yeah them well I think it's not just Breezy Point right I mean you look at nisah and there's I've heard of other cities where they've gone to certain council members and it circumvents the city administrator which we don't want that either right like if it's actually something that should be you know talked about with the city administrator but if they're going to you know council members it's not always handled in the way that maybe it should be and like we're definitely I'm not trained HR and so I just think that it would be at least good to look at what are the options just to handle third party um yeah at least look at it um cuz you were on the were you on the Personnel committee um and there are just certain things that ultimately the council's the ultimate Authority on certain things so they obviously you can have assistance But ultimately there's a certain things the council will never be able to handoff um Fire and Fire Authority stays with the city council that statute um so things like that there's a certain things the council will never you know we can get assistance for it but ultimately decisions will have to be live with the city council and I think that's understood by us but I think I think it would be good for guidance you know if we needed an additional guidance of who that contact and resource would be I know we discussed it when we when we removed that Personnel committee I think that was a concern maybe even Mr Scott of who or maybe it was all of us that we kind of concluded so uh which prompted the the initial research but I think it would be something good to to budget something for um to and and continue to pursue and having that regardless if a Personnel committee came back or not I think it's good to have something at least a resource even if it's time and material at least a resource on file for it if not a retainer well I think too if we had a Personnel committee at least having the resource for the committee to have that you know I mean here's how you handle this situation or like just even the guidance of a you know how does the Personnel committee handle certain situations but do you have a number you'd like to 10,000 again I don't I don't know what that number is what is what is in professional Professional Services right now um in professional Ser there really isn't much so over from last year again for these kind of things so I think you probably could leave it that's what I would think I would agree um at least look into it cont yes but it gives staff you know resource it gives the administrator resource it gives direction to councel I mean somebody to what is the next steps um I don't think any of us as angel said our HR um and after being involved in that termination hearing um you know it was just awkward not it would have been nice to have um I think HR we were only two weeks in though too some of us so that was not understand that okay ideal either St down got it okay moving down the list no other significant changes Building Maintenance we got to reduce that obviously the city hall Expansion Project is going to reduce a lot of any maintenance that's going to be done to this building um we just do have a little bit money in case there's something that actually in the meantime something breaks it needs to be fixed um we can fix it um I'm going to skip over these two items for now because that's going to get back into our other discussions about CIP and and debt and things like there so we'll explain these two um I want to get through the rest of it and then we'll explain that uh Planning and Zoning um one reduction we had $10,000 in last year for seasonal um that was really going to be um for when Peter stepped in um if we needed some consulting services with Jerry in the during his onboarding um but I don't really see any reason for that um this year we can remove that um we got a reduction in in health and dental this again just based off of personnel excuse me and then building inspector when your building permits go up your inspector costs go up because his fees are based off a building permit fee so that's pretty much any of the significant changes and again professional development and and you know wage increases obviously with every Department moving into public safety obviously again regular cost increase for uh regarding wages um we left the overtime again that 35,000 um in there for the um overtime time specifically those side by side shifts um we weren't necessar comfortable I think at this point upping that because we've only had two months of that since since the side by side and I think based off of what we've seen so far I don't Chief if you want to speak to how those shifts are going um seems appropriate still uh they're going well uh it seems the public that they're contacting it's well received they like seeing our guys out there we have had zero violations where officers have cited anybody or any problems that they've come across at that time uh but like everything else there's they're there for that moment in time you know some things still may be occurring that they're not witnessing but um as far as the time they've spent there they haven't encountered any problems perfect uh moving on the list um training education again we talked about that going up for everybody I think the biggest one is Professional Services which I'm going to hand that back over to Chief and he's going to describe what that large increase is for and who caused it not us and I'm going to change it up a little bit when we're talking about budgets and go to the positives right away because you don't get to hear a lot of those during budget um and this ties into the Professional Services so we have applied for a number of Grants through sourcewell um and just so we're clear grants are not guaranteed and some of our grants are reimbursable so we need to pay the cost upfront and the reason I say that is we still need to budget for these projects even though we're probably going to be receiving funds for it uh in the end we'll save the money the city a tremendous amount of money but uh for the matching funds through sourcewell it's not a 50/50 I don't know how they come up with the calculation they give us more than 50% so we have some building and maintenance that needs to be done the stule is falling off the corners are breaking up and and we've got a company here uh that with a a proposal of $38,900 to repair our stule that would come out of our building maintenance funds which are $445,000 we also need one more furnace next year it will be the final one to be replaced we wouldn't be able to do that without receiving this Grant from Source well so we applied for the grant we have received that money it was $ .50 leaving the city's responsibility at $973 7.50 so we can do that and get the furnace and still have money left over in our our building repairs uh and then RMS which uh our records management uh we are our records management system we have currently is countywide it's very old it it has a lot of problems so we needed to trans I to a new one the problem is the old one we have was very inexpensive all the new stuff is quite a bit more expensive we've been giving some cost by the county and what the County Administrator recommended uh she recommended the county picking up the implementation costs uh maintaining our old records management system which we have to do for a period of years to get that data transferred over um and a few other things so the problem with that whole scenario is till the county board says yes we will do that it doesn't mean a lot so we need to be able to plan for potentially more than what they have proposed what they have proposed is is basically $30,000 towards us we applied for a grant through sourcewell we were promised 20,000 which keeps the city's cost at 10,000 um if that occurs and even if the county if we receive the Grant in the counties does come in a little higher with with the 30,000 in there we should be able to cover whatever adjustments we need to make so there's another sourceful grant for $20,000 there um we just received our Shields I don't know if everyone was aware that was through our the Minnesota state aid funding we we applied for a grant once again through Source well received $10,000 which was half the cost of those Shields or thereabouts uh long and short of it is there's $10,000 we didn't have to take out of the state aid funds so it's there for other projects as well um and then Sergeant gersy is also writing a grant and seeking uh funding for a new heart monitor uh the the new heart monitors the higher end ones are currently $54,000 so hopefully he receives that now we have to think too we have three people that use those so down the road we may need to purchase some but um we're giving a grant overall for that so just of the stuff we've been promised and received it's just under $60,000 that we'll be getting back in Grants so the Professional Services funds for the records management system the $330,000 is the primary uh jump in our budget for Professional Services just so you're aware and obviously there's some minor increases to other things in some training part of our the city's we start with one of the biggest liabilities the city faces is an officer's use of force and there's mandates for realistic training um Hands-On decision making type training so part of the increase in the professional service was $2500 on an annual thing to axon for our new tasers it's a kind of like that syst we have it's a virtual reality things change officers have to make decisions the more of that type of training we have the less liability we have if if force is used and generally speaking the better job our officers are going to do when they're confronted with something on the street so they're it's a it's an important thing for us to be doing any questions um yeah I I know that I talked to you a little bit about the um speedometer the speed signs yeah we've got that part of capital so when we get the capital we'll okay so it's not okay so it's going to be in a different okay yep the records management is that referencing that the county might pick up some of that or correct so so it it's good to budget for as much as we could potentially be responsible for but come down our minimum will be the 30,000 okay basically um and then just so you're aware this is a countywide system that we pretty much have to go with because it it TI it ties in the county attorney's office the dispatch the jail so when dispatch receives a 911 call they punch information in it gets sent to our computers we need that system to be tied in with them in order to receive that information so um like I say I my belief is with that Grant and the uh 30,000 we should be covered you know with the increases if there are increases I should say okay okay um I think I covered pretty much all the changes for um Public Safety you'll see under Capital outlay that's down to zero again let's goes to how we're doing the capital plan now instead of putting it here I'm going to talk about later once we're getting through these where the capital is going so for Public Works um some changes there um what we did obviously there's the step increases Cola um but also we looked at relocating um reallocating some wages to Parks based off of actual time being spent on Parks um so you'll see that Public Works went down a little bit Parks went up so re a reallocation kind of based off of actual time um being spent uh so that covered obviously compensation and then PR Medicare um and their insurances um let's see any uh public talked about that uh equipment repairs and maintenance we upd that a little bit just because some of the repairs that we're seeing we um talking to Joe I think we got a lot of the significant repairs have been you know have been done but sometimes there's a lot of things that come up even this here um that we don't anticipate don't anticipate um the main um uh what was it on the Joe on the dump truck that failed the lift yeah you don't you don't anticipate those things happening um otherwise we talked about you know Joe and I went through based off of the current aggate materials black top repair felt appropriate that the current level is appropriate um uh there and everything uh dust coating same thing lot of those repairs are those that level U maintain so um we're able to maintain a good amount on um the Public Works side on fuel for both PD and Public Works um as of June 30 we were definitely we felt you know down a little bit on on the fuel um but we at this point I think it's something we wanted to maintain at its current level just because you never know where fuel is going going it was cheaper earlier in the year it's gone back up again a little bit um so we felt appropriate just to maintain the current level for fuels so that's Public Works um and I think we'll also talk about it um Capital out way roads in just a minute I want to make sure we get through the rest of the expenditures and we talk about those specific things yes ma'am um one more thing um I was wondering from the night to unite um um can we look at how having a bigger budget for you guys so that we can put together more activities or more giveaways or more things that would you know grow it you know from my experience over the years night to night generally is weather dependent on how many people show up and um you know some years we've had fantastic turnouts and other years not so much um to me night to you night is our citizens interacting with our law enforcement our fire department our First Responders not necessarily putting on a a great big show we want the those people there interacting with our community right um I'm not looking to add a bunch of stuff to you know I think sometimes that kind of detracts from what we're doing there um I've just been to some other ones and they've had just a little bit more you know things to interact with and the kids to do or you know things that the kids can take home not that it would want to distract but um I was just asking the question since you know it is a budget thing so if there are things that you know you need extra of whether that's the ice cream or little fire trucks that you give away or whatever the case may be that you have more to you know and the ice cream wasn't an issue I could have got received the I'm just was just an example right it's the people to do some it's easier to do this now and say Here's $500 for next year's night to your night rather than you know weeks before a month before saying hey can we do this can we do this and then coming back to council I think it's no different than the butterfly event I have no problem if you want to add $500 to the budget for night to night some of it maybe goes to the fire department some of it to us so they can buy trinkets for the kids I still want it related to public safety I understand I just more of again it's the so we don't have to come back to it next year that it's already there um it's available so if there is something that you would like to purchase that adds to the event that you know um enhances it then you have that available yeah that' be great thanks so what would I'm thinking that probably go under General operating how much are you would the council like to put in there for that what was their budget this year 9,000 and we just kept it over we just kept it the same okay so we were saying that the general operating so can we just do like 9500 yeah if you want to add if you want to add you want $500 for 19 night go 9500 if you want $1,000 for 19 night 10,000 I'm trying to hear how much would you like I mean I would say under General operating how much would you like to designate for 19 yeah I mean I would say 500 and I would say too for the butterfly event I would recommend doing that as well I mean I think that you know there's things that we can continue to do as a city we don't have a lot of events and so um I think it is important that you know there is a little bit there that if something does come up that were're able to get that especially when it comes to the kids so on that men mayor so you brought up the butterfly release which is normally covered by the cemetery fund are you recommending asking for dollars in the general fund to help compensate for that or you asking the Cemetary fund to the cemeter commission to put additional F I think I would just rather us allocated out of the general fund just because again it is something that you know and it depends on the council it depends on the Committees it depends I mean people come up with new ideas during you know every year there's something going on and sometimes it's just just nice to have it and if we don't use it we don't use it but um I think it's easier than I don't know is if that needs to be in the general fund I think it could come out of the cemetery fund and the commission Commissioners make that decision okay cuz we have an we didn't ask I think they could you could add it into the budget for Cemetery right yeah I think that makes sense too did you say there's 9,000 in the general operating for public yeah General operating is safety okay that's I'm looking at the wrong one and that has seemed to be sufficient for last it's just nice we don't have to come back to a council meeting and say Hey can I have a you know $100 for this or 200 for that or well I think the chief sandel's point about attendence this year I believe there was a football camp going on for I don't know what age group the young age group and I think that impacted you know the attendance that was k through eight yeah so what was the big was a lot of people lot of kids a lot of families well it's there for you to use it if you would like to thank you moving on to Parks uh pretty much kept the mostly the same um with again the one difference is being reallocation of some wages and benefits from Public Works to Parks so um again what you saw was Public Works go down a little bit but then Parks go up so that's really just the change there um and talk about Capital we talk about the the capital fund so with that that brings I think we can move into the capital now that brings us that's pretty much the general operating uh the general fund budget so I'm going to go back to um it's the uh expenditures other government um I don't know exactly I think can I ask one more question um so la this year or last year we um gave parks and rack 50,000 right it was the largest we've ever allocated to park and rack um I I think that it is important for us going forward that we are continuing to allocate um we have that in the capital is that in there okay so we're just going to keep it the same y we're about to talk about that right now perfect okay so um as we presented the draft of the capital fund back in uh July um we talked about the idea and I have that in front of you the most updated version of the capital is by doing it in this way you can essentially set what act better ter Levy a specific amount of money you're going to Levy every single year to cover Capital keep it roughly flat but then be able to fund everything every single I'm sorry which document are you looking at now you're looking at the 11 by 17 document the big one the big one okay first page uh the very front one with the staple so this the first page yep okay thank you um so it has yellow highlight on the top um so again the benefit of this is that yellow highlight you can put that in the budget every single year versus essentially what we do now is this lower level expenditure in every single year it changes which then makes your Levy go up and down up and down up and down it's the biggest impact to your Levy year-over-year is your Capital because those are your expensive things so in this current one as we presented um back in July um it has all the things that we've been able to identify at this point um kind of the idea of starting seeding cash balance of a million dollars if you took a million from the current capital fund and just said this is for the equipment capital and stuck it over here $270,000 over the actually 21 years all the way through 2045 you float it you can pay for everything listed in this Fund in this plan with cash um so looking at just for 2025 um we do list about three $365,000 worth of equipment um an Administration that's broken up uh through software and then the remaining balance of the zoning code updat some of that was covered this year rest of it will be covered next year um I'm just going to pause there for the software um the other thing you'll have you have in your packet is a memo regarding an Erp acquisition Erp enterprise resource planning system again right now that's our our financial software um as you and we've talked about before our current system is banion um it's very basic um and Antiquated um bion's operating system essentially is Microsoft Access that's what it is um and that's all it does is basic Financial stuff um there's no permitting there's no the HR side of things it does payroll but it doesn't manage really any other HR documents there's no records management capabilities code enforcement there's no online portal for customers um even online like credit card payments we use a company called rev TR which is also not ideal we use it for sewer um it's not great uh Janette can tell you every time she does sewer billing she gets the request of hey can I do online payments hey can I you auto pay can I do an a transfer and right now the answer is no um you can do some level of online pay through revt track which is what we have now but um it doesn't work well um it's not user inuitive and it doesn't integrate directly with our financial software Janette has to essentially be doing downloads and download into banion and just it takes a lot of time and it's inefficient how much time does that take you Janette um to process one day probably on a weekend I have days process okay and that's quarterly every day oh every day oh really so every day you're pulling payment okay that is very inefficient okay um again it doesn't do any of the other things so like Tron in essentially right now all of our records all of our pnz processes are 100% paper um so your building permits paper your your PL your any zoning administr like anything that related building in in zoning it's 100% paper um and as you've all known by coming in getting a golf cart permit filing for office anything like that it's cash or check um not which again how many times we've had people come in for a golf cart permit have to leave go to Pelican Square get 20 bucks and come back um happens regularly so what we're doing we are recommending um upgrading the city's current system um and assistant Minister Ike is here if you want to go as any of the integrated steps we took um but we took a multi-level you know very a very methodical process to reviewing different systems um myself Janette um we've had uh the experience integrating different erps um ourselves for different organizations so we're very familiar with that process um but very much what we did is we we talked to staff we said what are we looking for what are our goals here um you know we're trying to get paper lists as much as possible be able to get allow people to do online payments online um permit applications you know as appropriate um try to get you know more right now again our even our time sheets our Excel spreadsheets that then people print in paper paper paper paper um and ultimately the idea would be the most cost effective and streamlined is a One-Stop shop as much as you can um which again also the world Municipal world is moving instead of everyone having four or five different softwares that don't talk to each other um that's what I had when when I first got to the city of we had five softwares that didn't talk to each other and so you had to duplicate processes constantly try to get them into a One-Stop shop um this also was something that was identified as a top priority during um the organizational assessment um so once those were set we also had input from ABDO again they were the ones that that really helped us um during the transition um when Janette got here um have been helping us quite a bit on the accounting side getting getting things right um and then Mr Cohen with with uh research Management Associates and his extensive background in this area as well um Daniel began researching different companies um in all there were about five com 15 companies that were considered and then we were uh able to narrow that list down to three based off of what our priorities were and what what the companies provided so some companies provided one service and not another um also looking at costs um there's some services like company called Spring Brook very robust system for us it would have been like $230,000 way more it's overkill for what the city of Breezy Point needs city of 100,000 people spring Brook's perfect for Breezy Point don't need Spring Brook um so we looked at all of those things and it came down to the three companies that best fit the needs um that we identified were Cassel otherwi known as Civic systems it's actually a service of Baker Tilly BS and a and Edmund's govtech on full disclosure Janette um has experienced she did an integration with casselle when she was with uh big lake and I also did an integration with bsna when we were when I was in Brainard so um each had a familiarity with those and then Edmond's govtech as a new company um not there are't a new company but a company not not in this area so trying to move into this Market um that we also identified served pretty much had the best services and at the right cost as well um so what we did is we invited uh each one to come in person for a demonstration um they came in they were here about 4 hours each one of them did a full thorough walkth through of all the different um uh categories or uh modules of their system how they do payroll how they do fund accounting how they do um Community Development permitting code enforcement um how they do Utility Billing all of that allowed us to have some interaction with their staff um myself Janette Peter Daniel Deb um all involved in those so we'll be the ones primarily working with the software we did talk with Public Works we did talk with PD um when it comes to this software for both of them they'd be more on that HR payroll side um when it comes to those departments they have a lot more specialized software um like their records management and other sieges and um and it's actually something Mr Cohen talked about in the future even for public works you know things like pavement management software as we go down the road with C with CIP and streets plan maybe that's something you want to consider none of this kind of software handles those very Niche um specialized softwares um we also had some follow-ups after those um presentations um to answer additional questions and such ultimately um I think staff we were all very United in we felt that Cassell served the best purpose from both a cost um how much what they were their implementation and annual fee costs were um as well as what they provided as a service um one of the big I think the biggest things Beyond being more robust on we call the back end the employee end was really what do they provide on the front end um what does their customer portal look like um again to serve our res residents how do they apply can they apply for a permit online what does that process look like what does Utility Billing look like online is it user friendly is it intuitive doesn't require someone with a bachelor's degree to figure it out what kind of information can they access regarding their their property other permits that have been applied for things like that um essentially manage all of their accounts with the city from a One-Stop shop um we felt cassella pretty much had the best front portal for that purpose um with that uh we worked with and negotiated um a proposal pretty much what we were looking for um the first year of implementation uh had a total cost of $92,200 this includes conversion of our current conversion of all of our data from um Banyon implementation into their system in-house training so they' come here and train the staff um once everything's ready to go and then the first year of service um on conversion and implementation one of those one of the very clear questions we asked them was what is that look like and what's the expectation from the city um we wanted to know what does the process from this contract signed to go live look like and they handle pretty much 98% of it um if anything they might ask you to run a report um so it's not our previous experience where they expected you to be converting your data they handle everything um after that first year the annual fee after that would be $16,800 for that's the the annual fee and then the hosting fee as well um they also believe that if they started at the beginning of the year we'd be able to go live by the end of spring so about a four five five six month um process to go live um how cell also does it they get everything up and running then they do training and then they go live all As one system versus some others they kind of went live in chunks and we lik the idea of country RI the idea of it's rip the Band-Aid they put it all together it's ready to go they come in they train you um do any adjustments during training as you might say hey we like it this way instead of this way they make those adjustments and then go live and but they're also there for support after that helping you know they've got a very robust customer service um so if we need any changes to things tweaks long as we go especially for that first year they're more than willing to do so it's included in the service I have a question yes um so when this is implemented then are you able to create any kind of payment so like let's just say you know the butterfly release there's the you you know the donation or the you know can you input that as a payment if there is like tournaments for dis golf can you implement that and so can you create anything on your website that has a pain payment for something very specific so is do we get unlimited pretty much that you've got the most experience with Cassel but pretty much right yes we long L okay just and you also can change even to when they pay for example I know that was a big issue with like Planning and Zoning um based off way things like the 60-day rule once they pay in that permit we accept a payment we've essentially accepted the application that date that clock starts so we can even set it that was a concern because we don't want people submitting an application when we're like whoa whoa whoa whoa we haven't had a chance to talk about this next thing clock is now going um so they even set it where they can submit an application but they can't pay yet um so even though the application's been submitted until a payment's been accepted on our end the clock hasn't started um gives Peter some time to review the application get back with the with the applicant disc discuss the opport you know discuss what's going on what they're wanting to do um before that formal clock starts um because what happens is some sometimes it happens maliciously people are trying to gain the system other times it's just people don't know the system and then we're going well the clock started and now we're having to you know based off of what cycle and a Planning Commission cycle we're in you know when they have to apply and different stuff it might have changed if they missed a deadline well they might have submitted later what about citations from the police department how are those handled currently so this doesn't cover criminal pardon this wouldn't cover like their criminal citation I was just curious cuz if you give a citation is there mon is there a to say we don't get the money back for citations for criminal citations it goes back into the the general fund or yeah does hand through the county like if it's the criminal citation is handled through the County's RMS oh all even if it's not a ticket I mean if it's a you know no we don't receive the money they receive the money and then they send us whatever okay so they pay that on a different system then what yeah I don't even know what system that would be' be a criminal but I'm saying that if you're talking about administrative citation yeah like I mean anything like let's just say the rentals right let's just say like the rentals didn't right now that's kind of handled again on paper Okay so that's Peter so Peter handles that end you know and Peter can go through it starts with we're in some processes right now starts with the the nasty gram and then there's the actual citations and again everything's done essentially on paper right now okay um but yeah we could set it up that someone could pay that online if they wanted to and if even if it wasn't online allow them to pay by say credit card and I just cash a check question when we went down the Questa path um one of the features you liked and when Council uh attended the Dem Mo was budgeting real time residents could see it on our City website now is this just the initial roll out you won't be using it strictly for budgeting so this is our will be our full Financial software and on the budgeting side all the say from the back side like everything that you just you know we've just worked through here yes um in their software it's much more robust where you actually can again the making of the notes breaking line items down to make a note of like it's this this this and this um it doesn't have necessarily the frontend portal like Questa had nice and pretty but what it does allow you to do is pretty much make any report that we want Janette can just say I want a report that shows me this this this and this you can even ex you can even export it to excel so if I want to make a pig chart or something you just export that to excel turn it into a pie chart and you're good to go and we can publish that whether it's in a budget book document or on the website it doesn't have necessar a budget front end like questica did corre but it allows us to at least do it um right now with um Bion has none of that capability it is this it's a spreadsheet that looks like this so it eliminates your need for five spreadsheets to do correct it'll be able to do all in the software department heads will be able to log in to their other thing is other department heads will be able to log in easily see where their budget is at live you know not just month to date but year to date where is where is their budgets live they'll be able to go in and put in their budgets during budget season they just log in and can punch in their own numbers um and it be everyone can kind of see I can the administrator can see what they've put in their budget it'll just streamline that whole process this process a lot better and also again having that creativity with reports of you think I see it this way we can probably create a report to show you it in whatever form you're looking to see it in and that annual fee is that just strictly licensing or does that include support unlimited support so the license so that annual fee uh is licensing which does include the support so they have a very robust customer service they also have like tutorial Pages um so if you have a question you can just go to the tutorial page but they have a very robust customer service and Janette can attest to that as as well so is there customer s support is this a I mean typically there's different levels is this a Monday through Friday 8 to 5 I mean if you're run into an issue is there 24x7 report is you know support is that additional fees no so any so all the support is covered in the fee I think the only thing that would change an additional fee is if you were asking for like the actual you know you want to implement a new module or actually actually Act asking for something in the actual software to change and that yeah that's pretty standard yeah but otherwise you know how do I run a report Janette can call them and they're not going to charge us for that service so that is covered um in uh it's one of our under admin getting back to the capital um our pretty much big item ticket for admin would be to implement that software uh in 2025 and where is that in so on what your document that you have it's page three page so it should say on the top it should say Capital Improvement plan Administration then under expenditures it'll say finance software upgrade and for 2025 50,000 okay that'll be split between C General capital and then uh SE as well because sewer is a big part of this and where is that on page three under here so expenditure detail so sewer is going to pay for part of it because okay 2025 it's in the like pink or salmon whatever you want to call that color and then um code so that's 2025 so if you go to the next page that'll be El should say on the top it um it has some very much reoccurring year aftere um expenses uh biggest ones there are um we have getting computers and such on regular replacement schedules um talked with on systems and such about this they agreed that this is pretty good a good replacement calendar so pretty much on a council this pretty much tied to um elections so three you know essentially 32 32 um when it comes to um uh laptops for Council uh same thing city hall so that all the employees here um we have two laptops we're recommending two next year um janette's and Deb's are pretty um Janette is old um should have been probably replaced a year or two ago um and Dev is coming up for replacement as well so we replac me two next year and then every year after that it'd be one so it gets all the laptops on a fiveyear schedule okay that was my question that's typical they should be on a fiveyear schedule so puts all the laptops on a 5year schedule um same with Public Works they only got two out there so a recommendation Place those in 2026 and then they have a um longer gap uh office computers for PD that's the same there so um two based off the number that they have two every single year puts them also on a 5-year schedule um laptops and ticket printers those are for the squads we have a place of one Squad every single year so recommendation would be a squad computer and a print and a ticket printer also every single year uh monitors uh those have a much more I think I have this on a seven-year cycle again those last a lot longer um and so we I think we have a budgeted for about uh I want to say it's four or five sets Citywide every single year um and then the other big thing under uh it is um for the public safety building um with City Hall getting uh would be getting the access control uh their access control is 20 something years it's the original Access Control uh on systems has made comments about it being way out of date and so our recommendation would be when City Hall gets done it's the same system to then just do um the public safety building so that money should cover both um cameras and and access door access control for the public safety building okay police uh for 2025 annual Squad replacement um Chief is requesting uh ballistic helmets that's something I I think they even thought of last year I don't know if you want to comment on that or not Chief it's a request by the officers and like I've said in the past I can't argue against safety equipment for our guys we just had a a domestic situation where guys running around the in the in a neighborhood with a firearm if they want to put some extra equipment on for their safety I'm certainly going to try to get it for them to do so um uh lucases you want to describe that one Chief so we have currently two lucases so you see in there uh we have we'll need three in total we have three people that are qualified to use them uh the 20,000 for next year is to replace one because we have two currently so that will give Kyle Dan and Joe all their own individual Lucas the Lucas does the the chest compressions for CPR like perfect compressions for extended periods of time um as a matter of fact old mayor Doug Rock had one on for 45 minutes and he's alive today and doing well without any notable um cognitive loss so that's pretty impressive and then night vision and then onto the speed signs if we want to cover that now administrator chy now we're talking and credit to administer chansy because I wasn't thinking of this if that sign is collecting data 247 that's public data that a citizen or someone could come in request I didn't think about that and I don't like ering it but it's a concern because Joe is the only one that has the knowledge to download all that information it's cumers some in time consuming if we had two more signs and people get wind to this or someone just wants to be a thorn you could have your sergeant for hours and hours every day downloading data which would be a tremendous waste of his time um that's a great tool to to uh look at Bushman Road and Roads you're looking at doing projects Counting Cars Getting data for those purposes I don't know and hopefully we can get some signs maybe that have an option just to display a speed with collecting data or maybe they' be probably quite a bit less expensive as well just something that displays the speed and does not collect data my concern is if we get three of these and we start having a lot of requests for data they're going to be sitting in our garage not being used is what's going to happen anyone can request the data from correct it's public information yeah I think when I first you know came to you guys about this it was more so that and there's been a number of residents in different areas who just want to see how fast people are going and then it has been proven to slow traffic down so I think that being able to have multiple of these even if it's not collecting data having them in certain areas um I think will give residents a lot of um just to be more at ease about the speeds and you know what's kind of going on in that from my perspective of our of all the residents we have in Breezy Point there most of them the vast majority would want that sign there and then it becomes a everybody's calling for this how often do you want the road department moving these speed signs around who gets them who doesn't get them yeah I think that we can discuss that at a later date I think just having them on hand and that can be up to your discretion or the councils based on a I I guess that would be something that we would discuss but I think having more than one of them is going to be a huge benefit for the residents in different areas especially residents that don't live on paved roads because they're having more issues with speeding and the issues that speeding on dirt roads has so again I think it's more of just having them on hand um and then working out the details later and they don't think they have to collect data or turn it off if we're not I don't know if that is an option on the one we have currently okay uh do we have the one we have now out all the time yeah it's and right now it was over south of thin I guess I'm just I don't have enough information to know that we need to spend money on more than one of them I don't I guess right now I don't know that I again to may your point again this is something that Council can thresh out further I Know Chief and I in our discussions one of the concern was you know we did create a speed study policy and partially the reason for that was to um try to reduce the frivolous I want a speed sign on my road and say okay if you want a speed sign there's a process if you you know you requ because what we've seen is people don't just want the speed sign to have it out there they're then going to use that to I saw so many people City you need to do something and that was one of the reasons we created the speed study policy was saying okay if you want the city to actually look at your road here's the process to formally request it so it's not you know one resident out of 100 and if you have the formal process you need the data to back it up yeah just a speed sign will get you you know nothing yeah I'm not sure it's going to satisfy the individual yeah I mean it it yeah I mean I went through an onshore View Lane and that was part of the reason they created the policy yeah I just think having more than one of them I honestly I drive down Dove every day and I know it works like I know you know and people there are certain roads that they do go too fast and I think that is important especially for having the roads committee and you know redoing our ordinances and Zoning having more than one of these to kind of look at speeds around the city so that if we you know could also use that data to increase or decrease the speed of that road um so I think that only having one and having to move that you know continuously doesn't make sense I think having a couple that we can move around within the city makes a lot of sense and I think residents would want it I will say just from taking away maybe the the the pure Public Safety piece um you know one of the arguments for it and I think Nick can attest to that is you know as we're looking at you know we got the roads committee which we're working on getting that a meeting scheduled for them um but also you know that that CIP is you know this is data I think when we look at engineering of Roads obviously speeds are a big thing it's one reason when we put the signs out on Bushmen was to see if the data that we exper experiencing you know this was last summer still matched up with the speeds that Bolton The Mink did 3 years earlier um and they did um but you know it's something the engineers can always also use if it's not purely from I want a speed study anytime we're doing a road I guess it wouldn't hurt to put it out just to see what the speeds are at and if if and if the engineer thinks that we need to make any changes to the road based off of that you know the roads designed to were 30 mile but everyone's going to 45 well do we need to change the design to get it back down to a 30 or do you want it to be a 45 we need to design it to a 45 so um it does have those there multiple uses there are multiple uses there's no downside to having more than one I think the concern again I think Chief's biggest concern is just that we'll need to have a dis more discussion of like what is who decides where they're going when they're going what's that process um going to look like um because I do agree with Chief once we start getting more the the amount of requests for that sign are going definitely going to increase and I and I I'm totally fine with that I think just having the budget though to purchase a couple more and may maybe we decide not to but I think at least budgeting for them based on all the things that we have going on within streets I think is going to be beneficial for the community and again she said out currently we only have one that has the data correct and to purchase another one of those is 10,000 4500 about five grand roughly was kind of what we budgeted for so this would be two more but one without data could be a lot less we don't know for sure but based off of our I our research they're roughly about 40 or about five grand is probably I don't know if we need three of them so coming back that's that was kind of my question is the 10,000 and then five and then 10 five essentially you're putting them on a replacement the cast schedule okay so the 10,000 was was in there for the uh idea of purchasing potentially two more two more and then in 2020 it 20 29 replace the one we have and then sure okay that that that answered where that $10,000 came in for me that that I just want to clarify um and but uh Chief sell maybe you can um help me a little bit more when we had the old Speed trailer one simply yes that did that collect data and if and maybe it did and it really didn't work that well kind of it did but it it had quit functioning and there was a a small laptop and it disc counted cars Bas that's what it was an old um my question is because because I do recall it you know a few times on Airport as kind of more of a courtesy reminder of this is how fast you're going right and so what I where I where I think I hear um m m is kind of saying is is kind of find that sign that comes up and and we can put it on the speed limit sign I know entering peat Lakes if you come in it's flash you know here's your speed right on the speed limit sign I could care less for any data of what people are doing but it might be good for some of those residential areas that feel that cars are speeding that it could be a proactive approach right would that be in my opinion if we have one that collects the data now for the road projects whatever if we can if we can get a couple other smaller ones that can just bolt onto existing signs speed signs whatever um maybe not be able to be so solar powered they may be battery IR regardless if we can find some cheaper ones that don't collect data that'd be great in my opinion because like I say part of my concern is people start in and requesting that data we have to provide it and and I'll say one other thing that's came from is that the sign on Dove we have we did request get a data request for that data so it is people are do request oh they are requesting that mhm oh yeah it's I requested for sh VI Lane well once you get it though once you get it don't you have it so then you can just well it's con updating well can we do a policy that you don't get the data like there only once a month you're pulling the data public data request if someone submits it it's it can't be I just say don't get any that have data then we have we have a when someone makes a a request for public data we have a reasonable period of time to produce that data we can't say oh we'll do it maybe once a month that that wouldn't work that's my concern right once people know that they do this and they can make that request they'll be doing it every time yeah and it's well if I remember right that's just not like you push a button and run a report there was compiling of data and also the setup for sergeant Garcia it takes a lot of time you have to pull the data yeah I don't I don't want to do that to you guys I think that having one that has the data is good because wherever you are really using that and you need the data but like you know councilman said I think that it is a benefit especially because we live in a tourist town and we get a lot of people who are not from here and there is a lot more speeding I think from non-residents than residents and having you know there there's problem areas and I think that just having the ability to post it on or put it on one of the signs just to control curb some of it I just think our residents would feel a lot better having you know just more access to you know making sure that people are watching their speed okay we'll keep that in there that's police Park before you go to Parks I'd like to go back to that first page and I'm sure you said this that million dollars that's a transfer in from the capital fund or is that a bonded so that million dollars I'm saying that's like existing cash on hand we'd take a million say we have you know I've been saying um especially once we reimburse ourselves for the fire truck we're anticipating ending the year with $5 million in the in in the cap in capital taking 1 million of that and and designating it it's for these projects and these projects alone like it cannot be it it is um from a from an accounting turn it is um oh Janette what's the word I'm looking for not fixed not all what's the from an accounting perspective what do the Auditors always call that um Al assigned unassigned is it assigned so pretty much you're saying it is assigned for this Council you cannot touch it except for that or City we cannot you'd have to make a policy to take that money away it is set aside for this plan and anything further in the future whether it's streets or something else have would have to come out of not that money I and and just to address really quick because there's been some talk about this um outside of the 5 million bonding capacity and cash that we have there's an additional 7 million in cash in in Investments is that correct so a lot of our our actually those cash investment those Investments are actually our Capital funds so is there a total of 12 million between okay so it's when you look at our cash on hand plus our ability to bond that's when we're getting we're talking about getting that 10 to 11 million where did the 12 million come from initially initially way back there there actually was a period when we thought those dollars were separate okay they're not okay so that was something Janette and I realized was like we were looking at it going this doesn't seem right okay so that was maybe the very very first time we discussed it it was yeah and then we fixed that and that's one reason why we haven't been reinvesting those cap those funds is because um you should never lock up those funds is there additional funds besides the five that we cannot touch at this time that are invested or our funds are maturing constantly so we just had a big maturity recently okay I based off I had asked that same question and David sent me the information August 8th now something is M matured since then but if my math was right 2,494 34712 were you know we can't get at that fund yeah until they mature correct until they mature but rough 5 million of it is available at any okay and that was just my question cuz I know there was some just misconceptions about it or miscommunication um and there was some residents that had that so I I will direct them to listen to this yep and so again mostly we talk about restricted unrestricted that's I think I was looking the word I was looking for restricted unrestricted so essentially what you would be doing is with this cash balance again we're saying we're restricting this to purely this use okay um other restricted funds like like Debt Service funds those are restricted if you you have debt The Debt Service funds can only be served for the debt you can't use it for another purpose um utility funds they're restricted to utilities you can rob your utility but then you have to pay your utility back we don't recommend necessarily doing that um so that's where that kind of unrestricted restricted comes from if the council wanted to to make this cash balance different you know if you went $2 million well then that 270 you could reduce the levy I can't tell you exactly I'd have to crunch the numbers um you know if I put $2 million in here whoops that's 200 I got to add a zero if I put $2 million in here right now again we want to make sure this whole line stays positive if I went if I went down to let's see what would $200,000 do for us that we go negative by 2,000 so you know if I went 220 if that was again I kind of this is how you I you look at it and you go okay the last year goes negative so maybe it's 225 or two you know by 225 every single year you float so instead of 270 if you were to say a cash balance of 2 million you see how that works more up front less overall um so that's the discussion based off I just based this off of again what we presented back in um July at a million doll um and then 270 every single year the council wanted to reduce that um you know that's probably I would say I would say keep my recommendation would keep it as it is and then over the next couple months as we finalize the budget if you want to add more cash balance to recruit to reduce that amount you can so Parks this get question Madam mayor if I may I have one more item yes before we move on councilwoman ball had requested cost outdoor warning siren we were discussing that before for up uh um High View Campground Lake asan mcke um so I received some quotes um for the wiring and the hardware roughly the cost for an an additional outdoor warning siren will be $43,500 that does not include setting of the pole uh potentially crowing power will do that for us uh there may be a fee there may not I'd have to reach out to them to see but for the electrical and the equipment we need it be 43,500 if the council chose to move forward with that and that is not something we currently have in the plan but that had been brought up before so that's why Chief brought it if you want us to add it to the plan we can we'll have to adjust things a little bit but if that's something you want this year in a future year you feel it's a priority then moving to Parks um that's where it uh again 50,000 is what you put last year and so from this perspective we just put 50,000 every single year over the course of the plan it's a million dollars so um I think that would be much more than Parks has had consistently um you know they did complete the master plan um they haven't done a a formal cap Improvement plan like this um but if things like the community garden or things come up you would have they' have funds and if they don't use it the funds just keep rolling so that is one thing I'll talk I do want to Quick adjust here talk about here is one thing that this does not take into account is sale of assets or grants or you know or different changes right um I don't generally recommend putting those in here because you never know what we're what those are going to be like um and those things if we're going to get a grant or how much you're going to get for an asset um so it can really screw with your plan when things don't sell the way you're expecting or you don't get the grant again it's kind of Chief mention you want to plan for what's it going to cost and plan on paying for it in cash if we get a grant fantastic if you can sell assets as they come and have that Revenue that gets added and then what allows you to do essentially five years my recommendation is kind of go five years and if we're planning you know budget year 2030 we look at our our our our cash balance and we're in a really good spot maybe we have an opportunity to reduce that from 270 to say 260 or something or if costs have coming higher again you take that time and maybe that at that fiveyear Mark and go well costs are going up these different things have happened maybe we actually need to consider taking that from 270 to 280 those are discussions you kind of have my recommendation is have that on a five more on a fiveyear basis then a year by year because again the idea here is to try to keep things consistent year after year I have a question um as a followup so last year we did budget for the trail um as far as like whether or not you know we used it so if we are going to continue to apply for Grants Andor kind of save up kind of similar to parks where would that go um we don't have that anywhere right now that probably maybe it go under City Hall general or admin if you admin if you wanted to put money in there for just plans yeah in we budget like 20 5 what we I think I want we Bud like 60,000 for that okay um again that was just for that was out of cash on hand um one of the things like this plan is if something like that were to come up again these these plans are living documents so if something comes up you want to add it you know there's a process we go by whether it's from Department uh from a staff member or from the council figure out what years you want to do how much is going to cost and then we'd have to make adjustments to the plan accordingly whether it's moving something off removing something from the plan or increasing the revenue in the plan maybe it is the hey at the threeyear fouryear Mark we realize we have our cash balance is higher than expected so we want to add this thing um you can do that as well um if you want to add something now you can but again it's might adjust the calculation of that I don't knows if we need to budget that this year um I think we need to get through Street CIP where's that money coming from which currently there's not much um we do have a trail system within the city that's been it's been there nobody's ever done anything has parts we don't have anything to run and the problem is is when we wait and wait instead of doing a little bit at a time then we end up in again it's it's very similar to mirroring what Mr chansy is putting together with the capital Improvement plan I mean because we don't know you know what's going to come up next year and you know we did apply for the trail Grant we may apply for another one which we didn't get the grant correct correct but that doesn't mean that we can't apply again um if those dollars are there but if there are any if there's a study or if there's something that we need to do to strengthen the application we need to be able to every year at least save a little more and more for these projects otherwise what happens is they come up and then they seem like they're they cost so much that we didn't budget anything for them and so I think that you know looking ahead to the future of like what it is that people want to see in the city a trail has been said absolutely something that residents want to see I don't disagree but I think we need to First decide how we're going to finance a street CIP Finance sewer expansion do focus on what it is we know we have to do as a city then look at that um but that's at least my two cents yeah I mean I still think that you know we did budget the 60,000 it doesn't I don't think it hurts to budget a little more to add on to that so that again when if something does come up that we're able to say hey we've been saving a little bit for this project which obviously is not you know it's more of a want in this case than a need but streets I think is a long-term Big Ticket item something like this I think again saving up over time is important but again if if we don't find a partner to connect to I mean what are the chances of getting grants well you're you're going to the thing is is like every year that you apply for the grant and you have Cross Lake working on theirs I've been working with them we've talked ideal about what a a larger trail system looks like so we I think that we need to set ourselves up for the future and I don't think that you know budgeting a small amount to go into something that we know could potentially be on 11 one day and connect across Lake and connect to the Paw onion Trail we need to look we need to plan for the future and I I think that is peat planning for a trail to connect I don't think it matters because I think that if we get our first con if we get our first length in the trail we're our grants are going to continue to be more available based on you know having that first step so I don't really doesn't matter what pead is doing at this well you have to connect to something Lakes Shore and N were very successful yeah I they connected to each other I understand that but the thing is is we can put in our first part of it and that is going to set us up to get bigger grants at a later date but yes starting is always harder but if we don't plan for the future and set aside some funds for the things that we need then all it does is continue to push that out well I think starting when you connect to nothing is well they have to start somewhere but again where are you going to get the grants I mean I don't think there is if if communities such as Nissan Lakes Shore which have been very successful have gotten the grants but they're interconnected I know I'm I'm I've worked with them I've sat down with them I've looked at all their pathways again it takes time and we have the opportunity still to do that first piece of it which is the first part of it and if we don't save for that then it's going to look like a bigger expenditure down the road especially if we need to do X Y and Z to strengthen a Grant application do we we have 60,000 built into the budget though now no for 202 Eng we had it in we don't have any of that kind of in this current budget okay if I remember correctly engineering fees and a lot of the cost were upfront to the city and you can be you know we would be eventually reimbursed but there was a lot of out of-pocket upfront cost that's why we have to save every year and put towards that so that when we have that we're able to say hey we've been putting a little away for this thing that residents have consistently over the last 20 years said that they wanted so from my perspective of it I don't it's not asking you know we're not talking about a street CIP like we're talking about putting away something so that when that day comes we have that available to strengthen the Grant application I I don't know I guess I think at this point you I mean you said we can kind of move things around if we really need to if this comes up and we actually get the grant right there's you always change the budget Again part of this discussion kind of Next Step here as well is this isn't all of the money again I think it goes back to again council member Jensen it says it's the priorities where do you want to prioritize funds is it for streets is it for what is it for um again this isn't this is just for as the capital plan is right now this money funds these what we have listed here so the 60,000 we budgeted for last year we did not use this year so is that staying so that just stays as your cash on hand so that wasn't there was no that was not Levy dollars that was Cash is that going to be still available I mean yeah guess the point is when say that still have cash on hand if we decided to prioritize it if we got the grant okay well like I said my thing is that we have to plan for the future and I would like to continue to keep applying for Grants with regards to the trail and if there is anything though that we need to do that may cost us whatever that is to strengthen our application it would be nice to have some of that already allocated um at at this point I don't think I'm ready to uh add additional funds but keep in mind the parks fund of 50,000 a year that's a request back to city council for those funds to be expensed so if we start moving forward with a trail system we could easily say in Parks we know we have 50 this year cuz budget season already went through we are going to make sure that we take 25 and allocate for trail system next year or and we I mean if that's part of Parts like that's totally fine my again my whole thing with it is that it's nice to have this and if we want to have that be a part of parks that's totally fine but I don't want to you know stop trying to get a grant you know to do that but I also you know don't want us to you know say well we didn't budget for that so we can't pursue that um but so this so basically every year if they don't spend anything you know after over the yeah exactly so cash the idea is any it's going to build up their basically their things will build up okay yeah so Public Works um there's no uh um excuse me anything specific schedule for 2025 as was discussed in July we did figure out what things could be would be covered um I asked Joe what amongst his his items would be be covered in sewer so we did break that out so that would be covered under sewer the sewer fund um so there are two element there are uh one specific piece of equipment um so I said the second half of the financial software so we already talked about that and then um the Bobcat um about you some information from Joe about that uh is recommendation to um replace that I think originally on the plan uh the plan was replaced the two the the Bob was it the bobcat and then you think you you swapped them Joe I think right the two cat said replac that first Bobcat's good to go for another couple years I think it was probably the tractor yeah you're right it was the it was the tractor we pushed the tractor a year um based off of the the a lot of Maintenance that's been put in the toolcat last few last year we thought I think Joe you recommended that uh um just replace the tool cat now it was place in a year or two anyway just replace it now and save ourselves maintenance cost and with the tool cat um I need to visit with a dealership but um they're notorious for uh high maintenance costs um the dealership has uh indicated do like a three-year trade in so it stays under warranty the whole time um you know you turn things around quicker your trades higher um we'd probably have a little bit more stable operating costs to budget cuz uh like for I think it was last year the year before uh the head gasket went out that was in the teens of thousands um this year we're like 9,000 into figuring out air conditioning um we had one in niswa they're kind of a complex little machine but cities like us and every where love them they're real handy so Jo you you say you pretty much it's an everyday piece of equipment yes you're wrong um we've had it it's a fairly new piece um I was using it on a burial Saturday um and I think it's in the like 1,500 hours which is more than I expected we would use it put it like that so we were able to that would be covered under the sewer fund not this capital so um again look at that 270 so now it's going to bring us back to I'm going to go back to the to uh these two line items that I discussed before so this goes back to if you go back to now this this document the preliminary budget under other government it's like paid four um so what we did is um if you remember previously so last year there was $582,000 that was that transfer 572 582 um that was comprised of um old debt payment about $230,000 for old debt payment 350 something I have it in here um 350 for uh previous Road and then all the capital so there was a you know this capital from Public Works the capital from um PD admin that was used to be under their individual departments are now going to be moved into of that one bucket again that 270 every year to cover Capital so that come up to a total when I added it all together about $72,000 so what I did here is I subtracted the 270 for the CIP you know roughly the CIP Levy so that's the amount that we need every single year to cover all of our capital year-over-year and then under our debt fund which is um the 300 fund um page probably I would say what is that page six I think um 280,000 that's based off of the numbers we got from Baker Tilly would cover um would be the city hall Bond payment um if you chose to bond all of City Hall so again that's the high end um your debt fund is something you have to Levy for um the 135 in here for the ladder truck that's not in included in the levy because that's that's you know we will invoice the P Lakes fire district for that payment so um took out the 270 for the CIP took out 280 for um debt for city hall right now because that if you bonded the whole thing again if you choose to bond less use some cash obviously then those numbers adjust so once we take out those things we're still left with $152,000 that is unallocated right now it could be just goes goes into your Capital funds again build that up um use that towards um you know maybe that's a a uh towards a Bushman Bond down the road again at this point first Bushman Bond payment would like we would be do until 2026 um if you Bond it next year depending on when you Bond it there might be an interest payment but we do have some money in the debt fund that could pay for that as well but that' be minimal or the other option and I and I sent this to you and Joe and I wanted to discuss is you could use that towards streets designate that as mebe some of that seeding money towards streets whether it's towards a CIP you know a streets Levy year overy year or um to actually start doing some Street projects next year I sent you the numbers um some of the things that Joe sent um and I know Joe I'll let I'll hand it over to you if you just want to talk to the council what we talked about um regarding what you'd like to propose for next year and again David what it's under the 300 fund that you're looking at so um that 152 sorry that's back on the general that page four the 300 fund that's where the debt payment for City Hall so I took it from the general fund okay so again when I talked about earlier about existing money was would pay for that bond this is what I'm talking about this this line item again we moved that money instead of it going here we moved it to the debt fund The Debt Service fund because that's where debt belongs so we subtracted the 270 subtracted the 280 and that's how we get 152 of currently unallocated AK we don't have a specific purpose for it at this point so Joe um sure uh so for my budget um you know the big ticket item is uh talk about dedicated Road fund um you know that was my primary priority in the organizational assessment um you know over the past dozen years I've been here there's 18 roads that you know either got paved paved in sewer repave um that sort of thing um I came up with my estimate for a very uh low Frills Paving right roughly $300,000 a mile you know 2 m 600,000 I conferred with Dave ree on those numbers I initially came up with them in 2021 um he said they're solid he would he would stand right by them you're always going to have fluctuations you know there can be a number of things but that's a basically repay what we have the way it is not doing a ton of fixing or adding sidewalk are curbing gutters [Music] um yeah and I just figured you know the council approve the road plan um they agreed to create a road committee um establish funding would allow them the committee to make recommendations um act annually that's pretty much how Lakeshore does things couple $1,000 a year go out tour the roads pick them out talk to the administrator how much money is in the fund some years you do 100,000 some years you do 400,000 um it does my my gut tells me if it's part of the operating budget it's going to survive different councils a little more closely like it won't be up for bond which um will it do everything no it won't but it would you know one mile a year people would notice absolutely um two miles would be tremendous but there's a range in there for a reason um and then I did talk to a handful of the road committee guys as they were reaching out to me and they want to do projects they don't want to just sit around and you know not they want to see things happen so that's why I came up with the budget that I shared with David and sounds like he shared with you so any questions uh David back to that page four um that was line yeah the 720 that text is cut off so yeah so pretty much I'll pull it up there so it's so again we took that previous 582 I also added pre the previous Capital so like the squad the annual Squad payment that was previously under Public Safety the fif the the money that that Public Works always put to Capital every year we P put put those all together um and that's how we came up with 702 and then I subtracted the 270 for equipment subtracted 280 for City Hall you're left with 152 that's how we got that how I got that 152 so again that's not all your money that's just unallocated money in this budget you know if you put a million dollars toward your CIP again I'm estimating you still have roughly $4 million left over to play with in your current capital fund whether that's to you know car Bushman or or you want to se a streets plan however you want to do that you still have that money in addition to this this is just saying if $152,000 in this budget that currently is not allocated to a specific purpose you could remove it and reduce Levy by $150,000 you could designate toward another purpose you could increase it it just doesn't have a purpose today I think at this point it should stay in for streets yeah been like the plan for a while so yeah and then I mean it's still Joe's looking you know for a minimum you know one mile is 300,000 um wonder if you can work up to that like in the next couple years and one thing Jo we've done that in the past one thing and Joe and I discussed obviously with the streets plan that wood going be putting on putting it all together The Next Step would be once that's done you've got the total number for that plan talking about how do you want to finance that plan that still can all happen because we're talking multi-year there I think one things Joe was saying is can we get at least gets some money his request for 2025 whether that's not money it's this money if you want to dedicate money from the capital fund for that purpose like cash on hand for that purpose I think that was really meain the main request W is at least get you know if we can get the ball rolling on something again that helps kind of that snowball effect of we're doing something we're going to get the the formal streets plan ironed out next year but at least we're we're starting yeah I mean I think at a minimum we need to try and get to that 300,000 for streets I mean I feel like if you do 152 this year and planned on you know the next year like the goal being then allocate another 152,000 the next year you know you're slowly going to get there I mean I don't know if we want to add another unless you're using cash on hand yeah looking at the cash on hand uh the uh funds that haven't matured is there money there 15 you know to do to take 300 for still I would like to see next year a 300 just because again I believe in the slowly building up getting the ball rolling so I would be in favor of trying to get to 300 and then next year still trying to allocate another 150,000 more cuz eventually you'd want to have it allocated and not trying to use cash on hand I guess that's what I'm trying to and I just want one thing I just want to make sure again the council's also keep on the radar is Bushmen yeah so if you do Bushmen like this is not taking into account Bushman right so you know would you I guess what I'm getting at is do you want to use this 150 too for the what Joe's requesting save this 152 for a potential Bushman Bond I would rather see that go towards what Joe and then if you need bu but if you need to bond Bushman just add that to the letter yeah that's what I would probably look at I think that having that I think it would be great to just put that towards what he's and that's just my opinion I don't know what you guys we still have used all our I mean that's part of the bonding capacity yep yeah and we can factor that in if we're trying to use some additional cash on hand like do we want to actually allocate another 152 or 150,000 or do we want to if Bushman needs to move forward do we decide to put use some of that cash on hand for the first year for Bushman without adding it to the levy I mean that's an option too cuz Bushman really would not hit the levy until 2026 mhm I like the idea of getting started though I mean well and out of all the funds you know the Northland uh the multi bank Wells Fargo there's there's plenty enough money that if you wanted to call this plus 150 from scap it won't hurt you yeah and then and then 2026 reconsider how you again but that point that time but you know bushman's underway you had you've had you've thoroughly talked about the CIP and how you want to fund it yeah I think just something to get it started so so 152 plus so to clarify 150 in capital the 150 that we have in the 152 that could be the bond payment though for Bushmen depending on how much cash down you put for Bushmen it's not the 152 is not going to cover all of Bushmen I would say 152 152,000 a year based off of previous estimates I've received from Baker Tilly that'll cover a roughly $1.5 million estimate yeah I don't know if I like so then you would need to you know use roughly 2 and a half million on top of that in cash to cover Bushman now then you still have roughly a million million and a half left in your Capital fund now again kind of what I mentioned before bushman's Bond payment likely won't won't hit based off when you Bond they going to bond Bushman a payment main pay first payment will not going to hit until 2026 so if you leave this in here you can leave it in there saying we're going to use this for Bushmen but otherwise it's just again it's going to go we're going to take that 152 and just put it in the capital fund and save it yeah and I think that's what's gone wrong wrong in Prior years because I think we thought we were having a dedicated Road fund when we kept this money in the budget so what I'm hearing is say well let's actually just use it this year yeah and then in 2026 we can have the we'll have a more third we'll have a much more educated discussion because the streets plan will be done we'll have discussed how we want to do that we'll know where we'll know exactly where we're at with Bushman all of that yeah I to your point Rebecca you're 100% right that's exactly I feel like there should already be a line item for you thought you were doing that so are you saying you want to add 150 of cash on hand and make this 300 I would be in favor of doing that to get started well this is talking Levy dollars correct so right now this 1552 is Levy dollars half of it's Levy half of it's cash so 152 is going to be going to we're going to now make 152 part of the budget part for Road let me show you how I would do this so what I'm hearing under public works right now there already is a I'd probably just put for now under there's a road improvements I put $300,000 here I'd go up here back to this line oops I missed it I skipped it this line item I'm just going to make that zero whoops I'm going to make that line item zero and then in [Music] Revenue um transfer some other fund I'm going to make this 155,000 so 5,000 from uh we'll say it's 5,000 from cemetery and 150,000 from capital for streets for Road improvements that's how that's done so I'm putting $300,000 in in an expense but I'm putting additional 150 in a revenue so that's how that works so it kind of counter counterbalances and ends up back to where we are so yeah the levy still ends up being the same number it roughly ends up being that same number which once we get down to that is um current Levy and then this is made up of general fund the debt fund which again the debt fund number that's not new dollars cuz we just moved it from General the existing money from General to debt um so it's uh your levies is your general fund your debt fund your your um Ed fund which is well I'm leaving it the same as last year $3,600 we um we give that to Blade um and your Cemetery fund there's um $20,000 we've been levying for the cemetery so um right now that Levy is 3,426 1958 that is a 6.6% increase over last year so the new dollars would be $ 23,44 of new dollars again where most of that increase is coming from is last year again I mentioned before um when you did the wages you moved 125,000 in as a one time transfer to kind of cushion that oh yeah we did do that so that came off this year that so if you if you were to put that money back in it only the actual increase is only like in operating it's only like 2 and a half per. so the main piece of that is that onetime transfer coming off okay I did want to I did try to do um my my implication spreadsheet which I've done before for you which kind of try to figure out implication of the taxes the problem is I'm really hesitant to show this only because um the tax capacity number is a very big number when it comes to how we calculate tax rate it's PR it's your Levy and your tax capacity I asked croing County for it twice uh and they finally got packed to me today and said I'll have it for you tomorrow said that's fantastic normally I have it way earlier because we do they would provide it to me at the time of Board of Equalization which was done in like April well we did open book this year so they never gave it to me yeah so then I asked them for it multiple times and then they finally got back to me and said I can get that for you to tomorrow and I said fantastic my meaning is tonight um but I will show you this is last year we had about a 133% change um year before that is you know if we just had a 10% change increase our market value has always gone up I've never seen it go down with 20 new homes too right and those are going to be and it's always a year you're always kind of like two years behind okay with this and two years ago yeah we built 30 homes so um if you did just a 10% increase you know you are looking at a lot of people's taxes going down not everybody's you know based off getting these are the exact same 20 something 25 20 properties 20 properties as I did last year they include all of yours are buried in here um but I felt again this was a pretty decent representation of most of our community obviously there's a lot of people in between but um a lot of people would see a reduction that's awesome if we if we had a 10% increase in our tax capacity um I will know tomorrow exactly what that number is and then I can provide that to you and then be able to present that on September 3rd as well but of course as it is they got back to me at 3:00 and said I can get that for you tomorrow been asking for that number so um I don't know if this point we're two hours in the rest of this budget you have it um again these are the rest of it is non Levy dollars so it does not affect what you're going to adopt on September 3rd um we can go through it if you'd like if you want some time again most it's minor um the one thing we will point out Joe had discussion of and um obviously we have Baker Tilly is working on the rate study um we are going to be you know probably recommending an increase this year for sewer rates of something um just because when you look at what I think what we're PL you know what we're currently kind of going to bring in versus current operating um we're like barely breaking even um and that doesn't account for the future so so um I think we probably are going to be recommending an increase I'm not ready right now to talk to what that should be um Joe presented when was that back in may think it was May he he presented his um survey he did of lot the of the surrounding communities we all showed where we were way below everybody um obviously we don't want to shock anyone with like a $25 a quarter increase in one year but I think we probably will be recommending some kind of increase for 2025 um we'll have to look at that more see what Baker Tilly is recommending um again that's not something that has to be done on September 3rd um it's need to be done probably by SE by December and would um we like to give people heads up that's going to happen so over the next couple months we'll have that discussion but we do want to give you a heads up that we're likely going to be recommending an increase in utility fees this year and I've seen a lot of comments um this the sewer expansion is going to be funded by obviously the residents that use the sewer some people we're assuming the entire city correct would be paying for it and that's not correct it's a user y so be the sewer fund would bear that burden sewer funds an Enterprise fund so user fees are what fund that so that's one again one re what we're looking at needing to up and it'll probably be more than likely we're going to be increasing it every year for the next few years but the idea would be smaller increases each year versus large increases in you know one or two years let's do over five so we still are a couple years away from doing um that project I will say just the FYI when you see um in the cap in the sewer Capital fund um we did put money in here for the terminal and red oak extension which will'll be discussing on September 3rd so there's money in there to do that okay anybody else have any questions so this is the preliminary budget roughly about a 6.7 pending any changes between now and September again we can always go lower but we cannot raise it y so right now um as it is today um my we'd be bringing on September 3rd a resolution to adopt a preliminary Levy of roughly $3,426 1958 again yes councilman before December when you adopt the final it can go down from there you just cannot go up from there anything else for me this evening again if there's anything else you you you want some followup or want to make sure I hit on September 3rd please let me know um so I can make sure I hit those things during my budget presentation on September 3rd I have one thing to add just clarification if you happen to see it currently it says our capital outlay is at 176% the reason for that is our uh public State uh public um safety Aid that we received from the state when we use that it gets coded under our Capital so all this all the items that were purchased with the the state aid goes in there um so it's not that we've we're not 176% over this want to make sure people [Laughter] knew great all right anybody else otherwise I think I've got a number of things um spe on the finance HR Services we'll continue to do more research into those um as well can you let us know when you hear back from the county can you send us all an email yeah like to know CU that is something that we could then relate to to Residents right so even if there is a six point cuz people get scared based on the percentage so I'll send that get that from really going on yeah once I get you get that from the county you can get that calculated my in my sheet I'll share that with you and then also again there'll be something I'll include as part of my budget presentation on September 3rd as well perfect so I guess I'll L all again September 3rd reminder is a Tuesday as Labor Day is Monday so council's on Tuesday if you show up here on Monday no one's going to be here perfect thank you so with that thank you very much and uh let me know if there's any other questions or comments you have ahead of September 3rd thank you thank you