##VIDEO ID:IDcW67ff6kE## we're recording okay thank you welcome to the January 22nd meeting of the capital subcommittee of the school committee um our first agenda item is approval of the minutes from October 24th 2024 um do I have a motion okay Carolyn seconded thank you um Mariah how do you vote Yes Carolyn yes and the chair votes yes okay um let's move on to our second item which is the school r&m repair and maintenance uh uh funding uh the memo uh you know what I think I'd like to oh yeah the the repair and maintenance uh funding the memo for Mr Simmons and also I think Charlie you have some of the this year's numbers to be able to compare the actuals yes okay um you want me to try to pull it up on my screen or yeah please because I can't I don't know how let's [Music] see sorry I've got a Charlie I have them if you need me to pull them up yeah if you wouldn't mind I've got um Johnson Controls Energy Management Systems up on my screen I got a whole bunch of screens here so which one do you want to start with um you can start with the memo memo this one here yes all right thank you so uh for FY 26 I am asking the school committee to provide 3,773 584 for outside service contractors these are the people that we use to repair and maintain the school buildings Roofing and electricians and fire alarm and so on um I didn't touch anything with Personnel right now because uh it was a a reorganization with the building department that did include the school department for public buildings and um we're looking to finish that with um sixth floor and um so the increase would be 4.5% overlast you um the CPI for con construction which is different than the regular CPI is running about 5.8% and we've had this discussion before for where um the town has a policy of 2.5% for an increase and a year or two ago we were seeing in mainten I mean in maintenance and construction about 9% so I was trying to split the difference and come up with a number that I thought was reasonable uh 4.5% and um essentially that is taking care of the new driscal scho because everything's coming out of warranty fully um actually parts of it is still under warranty the energy management system but everything is is coming out of warranty or has come out of warranty so these monies would be used for all the school buildings I did um point out that I'd like to hire two non-licensed HVAC technicians and these persons would be primarily uh doing belts greasing and oiling filters checking Motors this has been typically subcontracted out um and is a very very expensive and I estimate the savings between 300 $400,000 just for the schools um while I was away in April I I had uh put in this request before and the town approved getting me one licensed hbac person so I had been working on that we have interviews as we speak um that person would be doing the same thing same kind of Maintenance and trying to pull that in-house um would be very beneficial for all of us town and schools and my staff I do want to point out that we have in the budget again this year uh three licensed hbac technicians that I have not been able to fill those positions um I feel that the positions are not offering enough money um I've had one interview in six months and um I thought we had the person but he just disappeared apparently found another offer so um we subcontract out a lot of that work um to several companies and especially with the Juris schal school I'd like to pull some of that in and do our own work I think I get a better response and um obviously saves money third thing on a Personnel would be another assistant fin energy management system so presently we have a manager and assistant and that's been the model for many many years and with Drisco coming online um very high-tech complicated building all electric um versus uh an older buildings you know basically from 1928 1950s um quite a lot of points that we have to monitor and points that contact us with problems and um we have been able to um keep a heads above water but I really think we need a second assistant for my staff um just the last few days actually I've been acting as the second assistant because it's been so cold and that's actually what I was doing before I got online um in order to make sure that the buildings are heated and cooled properly and Order make sure they run properly um the monitoring and call them the maintenance of the systems desperately needed and um a person like this would be very beneficial to us all um I oh sorry do you want to go through the whole thing Charlie this is all I I have comments and questions this is really interesting but if you want to go through um just I'm gonna mention okay go go ahead sorry I'll save my questions that's better the um with the increase of the two non-licensed hbac people and the Energy System specialist which is another assistant the school Department's share would be $167,300 that's 75% of the pay two 25% goes to the town um one of the last things I wanted to point out is that um when Pierce gets online in three years will be in the same situation it would be somewhere between 30 to 50,000 points coming online for Pierce because it is a bigger building um the actual number is going to be coming in as soon as we stop picking contractors and getting sub mitt for design so um not this fiscal year obviously for Pierce but in the next few years I will be asking for more staff um so with that I'm available to answer any questions okay just quickly say what did Carolyn excuse me Carol yeah um Carolyn had asked first to ask some questions and then I'll have you ask okay she's on the committee carola thanks and thanks Charlie um so I read your memo before and I read it with interest and I appreciate the detail um and forgive my ignorance so EMS points can you sort of equate that to I mean I guess you kind of are but I'd be interested if you can elaborate like corresponding person hours required and how that sort of lines up financially or should we just look at the 167 and change and or that's for the that's for the all three positions no two the three yeah is there anything a little more you can say just to help us understand what these points mean as we see the new buildings coming online all right uh first of all what is a point a point is a command by the computer to turn on a boiler or a pump um there's also input points which is the temperature of a space or an alarm or flow switch or so on um older buildings there's not that many points newer buildings have quite a lot of points in order to control the equipment um I can say over the last few days days uh my staff has spent a lot of time uh working on the energy management system to make sure that no buildings free and that we don't have any problems um it's been eating up part of my time too this week and um in the summer it' be the same thing but air condition not as critical obviously so it's really hard for me to come up with that number of hours that's fine that I just and um going back to the um the challenges that you've had with hiring licensed hbac professionals I'm interested and I believe you when you say you believe we're probably not able to offer enough I wonder if you'd be willing to say like approximately how off are we in terms of what we're offering compared to other towns um we are depending on where you are about $38 $39 and I think we should be up about $45 um in the private sector they make a lot more money I'm looking for probably a person that's older family uh wants to go home at 3 3:30 um and want benefits so that is um hopefully I could get somebody with that pay grade okay and then just looking at when I read your memo and then I looked at the um the FY 26 the the more detailed budget request the six page document in section six that is HVAC do these numbers assume the highes that you're hoping for no um I I really realize those savings first before committing Mariah Carolyn you're finished right thank you yeah thank you mariia Carol I'll get to you I won't forget you so um I think that last question is my question which is um when I so when I did the math of the the four and a half versus the two and a half it's about like a 70ish thousand difference between what the town would be normally budgeting and what you're recommending um and then we're also talking about um the three to $400,000 worth of savings but I guess my question is where's the savings I only see the extra money but I don't see the savings well the savings would be um taking three or $400,000 out of repair and maintenance if we had these people to do instead of outside contractors but we're not realizing but this budget doesn't show us realizing the savings not for this first year I I'm need to make sure that I get the people on board and then we could talk the next fiscal year and reduce it three $400,000 because it'll be realized um do they need a year to onboard or is it just that you don't want to shift money into salaries and reduce it exactly because couldn't we just leave the money in services not put in the extra people and if you actually hire this they can flip the staff they could flip the the select board could approve your transfer from from services to salary when you say higher you're talking about the two non-licensed H correct the ones that or the three positions that you're requesting the third position doesn't exist it would have to go through our hii board and get approval on that um as far as taking money um we could um I do take some monies usually twice a year out of salaries and put them in your repair maintenance budget because I can't fill the positions right positions um if you took a obviously the three or $400,000 um I wouldn't need the 4 and a half% increase but that's presuming that I get people on board on July 1 okay so I mean I guess I feel like from my perspective I don't feel comfortable with both ask like both supporting the salary and leaving the money in place one of the two things needs to happen and I understand what you're saying of it's being a little bit of chicken and an egg but I still feel like there has to be some sort of balance there this for this the same sort of model for seven years because we haven't been able to fill the positions for seven years but then I just don't understand sorry Helen I just don't understand why we're even requesting the positions if we know we're never filling them you know what I mean like I'm I hear you it's like but if we're in this situation where we're never going to fill the positions because the town refuses to increase the salaries then we should just accept that the service that the service model is what we're in and fund it appropriately you can't win the lottery unless you buy a ticket I don't ask for these things and someone says why don't you ask for them because you could save money and I know your point it's it's perfect um and I did have meetings with our HR director and potentially because the unions in the negotiations there might be a chance that it could increase this fiscal year but I don't know that for sure so I'd like to ask I mean I agree with you Mariah there we can't fund both sides of the uh that piece I think my question is why not not do the increase of the 167,000 that you're asking for and assume that somehow some because you did find one HVAC person which I'm not clear why we're not sharing it with the town um you know why couldn't this these two would be only for the schools is that what it is no they'd be for both Town School um with the same you hired one no I haven't hired anybody yet I have any interviews oh and the only monies that were approved were from the town side because I made this request before and not the school side so we're paying for one or two you're not paying for anyone it's coming fully out of the townside okay it's a little confusing why why we can't you know split the person who's there at least and if if we get one I mean the other piece to me is for the last two maybe three years you've had this item in here to hire HVAC people I'm not complaining to you but I'm just saying I you know it just seems to me that unless something some crazy thing happens I'm not sure how it's going to happen and you know I guess the other piece that I'm concerned about is the increase of the 162,000 when you know if we do get some savings out of this we I'd rather keep that 162,000 in the school department budget than in your budget not that because we know we're facing difficult times um Carol you had a question yeah um so the new Driscoll added 30,000 EMS points what about the work at the high school in 22 tapen you put me on the spot it's a similar magnitude I'm assuming it wasn't 10 it wasn't five or 10,000 uh it was 22 tapping and just the the new Wing the stem Wing everything else in the rest of the high school the fiz the UA in the back of the building remain the same so okay 5 to 10,000 so you're saying 22 tap and only added five or 10,000 even though okay so um and I'm assuming um Ridley was a low amount it was because it wasn't a it wasn't quite as modern as 22 tab in or Driscoll exactly so of the 70,000 points that you're monitoring before the the 30,000 is it that half of those are coming from schools is it three4 of them are coming from schools um probably three quarters right now okay so so three quarters so that's so we're doing a 7525 split even though it's not being fully realized yet and the cost of of operating these high-tech systems okay so I I understand what what Mariah and Helen are concerned about but my understanding is you have to have those positions in your budget otherwise you can't try and hire for them correct correct yes and is the three or 400,000 um doesn't represent the full amount of contracted services that you're using does it no okay so if you don't have the full amount funded for contracted Services then you're going to have a shortfall and it sounds like you've been borrowing not borrowing you've been reallocating money from these um salary positions into your services position to cover that shortfall so I don't think you're double dipping quite as much as Mariah and Helen were afraid about because you aren't fully budgeting for the services if you end up running on a service only model for 12 months months is that fair that is fair yeah okay so Helen and Mariah does that make sense to you what I've just explained Helen you're looking perplexed yeah uh a little bit but I'm perplexed too so what I was saying is Charlie's budget doesn't carry the full amount necessary to pay for those outside services and the way he funds it in full if you need to use 12 months of outside contractors is by taking money out of the salary that he isn't spending so you aren't double paying for something it's just where the money is being allocated is being divided between salaries and outside service contractors but if we're asking for an increase of3 to $400,000 in staff lines then we are asking for an increase like it's not like we're just talking about shifting from A to B he's asking for an increase well your M your cost of gone up when he's saying that you know he's he's thinking that the union prevailing wage is going up and that what he's being charged by outside contractors is going up so it's not like this is a fixed cost that's just staying the same for but that's getting carried in the 4 and a half percent that's already inflated in the 4 and a half percent of the repair and maintenance so if the 4 and a half% isn't accurate that's one thing but it shouldn't be carried both in a percent increase and in a salary increase that's I think he was just breaking down where that 4 and a half% is getting allocated rather than a double is that correct Charlie is the salary that you are describing within the 4 and a half percent I thought that the that the r&m increase was non- salary r&m is not salar no this is just okay no the Personnel costs are 1485 but they're more than last year so that's the increased people or the increase in cost of people you already have no this would be brand new people um and I had 167 300 as the school department share of those persons um and just to make a point um last year was the first year I asked for two non-licensed hbh people figured I'd try something different and again I'm asking this year and I can say I'm hopeful now but I can say that there seems to be a slowing of the economy um the prices for Pierce came in low um and I've opened up a few bids great pricing on the senior center and uh we opened up a bid just for the plumbing services there were eight biders that bid on us eight contractors I've never had that before are um so we we have obviously we can choose like two or three the lowest ones um I think I might stand a shot at getting these HVAC people I'm crossing my fingers are you that was actually my point that I rather than maybe this isn't fair but rather than you giving back money to the town at the end of the year the 67,000 if we were to keep it and Susan I'm not sure if this is possible in a separate little uh line item that if you needed it we would have it for you but otherwise we would be able to spend it in the school budget I think there's ways to do it we could uh take the 167 and put it in Joe's uh repair and maintenance Budget on our side and then if they don't need it then fine and if they do need it then I can transfer it back do you make that decision though how do how do you keep that money from being doesn't make sense to me what sorry go ahead Carol no I was just saying how do you how do you keep it from being double spent yeah no we would keep it aside and see what happened during the year if Charlie hired the two HVAC people he would have more than enough money to cover everything he needs for his budget if he doesn't we'll know that and that would be a separate line item in our in our budget can I ask another question Helen relating to this though sure what Charlie what is the town sentiment that you have received on the other portion of the salaries the non 1673 like if they can't fund if they do not agree to fund their part it's somewhat immaterial what the schools whether the schools could fund correct correct it's a very good point um we had a hearing months ago obviously the town is not in good shape with the schools as well um I have not heard anything yet from the six floor as to what their of my proposals what they are budgeting and what they are not budgeting and that includes repair and maintenance and um utilities so am I say that I expect those numbers within the next month month and a half because we're GNA need them yeah so all of this is is after Town School partnership split or before Town School Partners before okay that's what I thought no excuse after well it's a mix though because the increment increases before right doesn't that get transferred from one to the other or is that still considered after like if we were to agree that the town wanted the two and that we were going to go above and beyond the two and a half% from the town doesn't that get transferred like at that moment above the line before the split or is it afterwards no you're right it is below the line I'm just like visualizing the page in my head ignore me it's below the line yeah I would refer that to the sixth floor it sound This Is Us saying this is a request for the school department to say that after the split we agree with allocating x amount for Charlie's work correct before the split and that's and that would be before we have any money allocated for the school department to spend and so that's where someone is coming up with this notion of taking the 1673 and sort of putting it aside in case the school department wants to use it for what our needs to me it feels very challenging right now without having seen and I think we'll even know more tomorrow um where our budget is at to make any sort of um commitment to anything for the building department no offense Charlie you know it's not personal but you know the budget hole we're in and of course like we need the buildings to be operating and all of that but in this situation it feels quite Stark right now to be able to make any commitment that's just my my personal perspective on it so I understand what you're saying we on in an academic way except for the part that like we don't really I mean what's the alternative not heating the buildings well this isn't a question of building heating because that's a utilities cost that is not in the budgets we're discussing right now okay well I guess I mean ensuring would be not it would be not doing some painting not doing some windows that's stuff I can understand but Charlie's talking about like lot of time and money gets spent to ensuring that the buildings operate and that includes stuff like I hear you and we've and we have put in I think over the past three to four years we I don't think the data is presented to us tonight but the amount that PSB has shifted towards the building department because of these needs being drastically underfunded and then that was rolled into the um override two years ago because of how important this is um and I'm not saying no I'm just saying I can't see it right now given what we've heard in the past about our budget situation right and I'm not outright challenging I'm just trying to sort of get a context for sure I think if Charlie goes on to the next Slide the one with the actuals from the last two years I think that will help us because there's 2 to 5% that doesn't get spent almost every year and goes back into free cash basically um Charlie could you show or um Bessie could you put pull up that one yeah so if you look at the end of the year 2% I I can't do the math that fast I'm sure Mariah can 2% of three million is what Mariah I'm not going to embarrass myself by getting it wrong in public well 1% would be 300,000 no that would be 10% 10% sorry it's like 60 it's like 60,000 right for 2% or or in that ballpark um can I just ask one clarifying question when it has the transfers line was that the like um special town meeting reallocation of funds or what does the transfers refer to those are the salaries portions of the salaries that they oh I see okay because this is just the non-salary budget and so you're talking about where the salaries were transferred in thank you so 2% isn't that much I think that's pretty damn good if you end up with only 2% unspent and if you were 2% over you'd be pretty proud of yourself and you're 2% under you should be pretty proud of yourself so I I wouldn't view that as a problem I I I hats off to for bringing it in so close I think yeah no and that's and he believe me he does great work I'm very happy with what are working together it's been terrific uh I'm just concerned about this particular year and our budget and you know what um where we're going to end up and so that's why the increase for this year really concerns me but okay um is there anything else you like to point out in this Charlie no we pretty much covered everything does anybody have there's an asress by the 3.45 I'm not sure I understand that exactly so it's it has to do with the carryover to the next fiscal year because we didn't have the bills yet I see okay bills did come in they came in after after the beginning of the fiscal year so okay all right Helen I need to step away for like two minutes I'll be right back okay okay um I think um unless somebody has more questions about the repair and maintenance budget Carolyn um I think I asked this in an email if it it without wanting to create work and with the assumption that it would be fairly easy I would be interested in seeing like the FY 25 and even FY 24 versions of the the detailed like the thing that's six pages Charlie um at some point if you had a minute to just kind of pull that and send it out these sort of overall numbers are helpful but um especially if we're talking about concerns I'd be interested in seeing kind of exactly where um the money did go and then I guess and this might be really inappropriate and I can take this offline I mean I I feel like it it's incumbent upon me and maybe it's a new person naive but if if Charlie imagines that we can realize 300 to $400,000 in savings with a small increase in what we're offering them positions that he's trying to hire I would be interested in knowing whether there's anything that I as an individual school committee member or the school committee as a committee can do to help him in that effort I really don't know what the politics are but I feel like I have to say that because it certainly makes sense Charlie um you don't have to answer that now I just feel like that that seems to me the logical and and right thing to say given the information that is in front of us yeah as was mentioned the hardest thing is salaries because the salaries are split um obviously repair and maintenance isn't so um it took me a long time just to add people because if I could get the schools online I couldn't get the town online and board and vice versa um so are we paying part of the new HVAC person no no okay all right I Carol can I make one comment Helen about Carolyn's question yeah so Carolyn like we've talked about this before because obviously like it makes sense right like how do we do this and I think my my understanding is very rudimentary but basically the there's like this huge rollon effect by adjusting some of the salaries that that basically makes the town not do it yeah that's like right the like super quick version and so we're support we're not we're not able to change anything on our side so it's yeah frustrating I understand I saw somebody having a similar conversation on Facebook about sort of a call for raising a certain segment 20% and it's like well how's everybody else going to feel about that so I understand what you're saying thank that's helpful yeah okay I think it's time for us to move on to the utilities cost there a little bit brighter picture uh okay is this the whole piece or is there a little bit more uh Betsy uh it's the previous fiscal years oh okay um um and if we put it all up at once it won't people won't be able to it'll be too small we have it yeah I know we have it but people who are online don't okay why don't we start with fiscal year 23 and maybe you can just walk us through it um Charlie sure um fiscal year 23 um we had a um pretty size able deficit and um there were transfers made um to finish the fiscal year in the uh last fiscal year um I asked for a certain amount of money and I was not given that account of money I was only given about $160,000 increase are you talking in fiscal year 24 or 23 24 oh can you move it down a little bit Betsy so we can see that one yeah so we ended up transferring $900,000 of Reserve funds plus we have uh we were given $120,000 because of the overlap with the old Driscoll and the new gal and running gas and so on um now there was a obviously we didn't know exactly when the new school was going to open so um there was some estimating but since we had such a deficit the pre previous fiscal year and um knowing that D school is going to be a bigger school I felt that we needed a larger increase and it didn't happen so we ended up requesting a lot a lot of money from the advisory and from for the reserve fund for 900,000 so this fisal year um the increase was push it down a little bit Betsy thank you um we're only into uh about half the fiscal year on utilities um I have uh some great news that Driscoll school um was being heated with electric boilers and that is because of the construction and the fact that you needed to take down the old Driscoll school in order to put the well field in so that we get the um heat from the ground um that system was sort of started late summer um it's been working great um I checked with my staff today um the electric boilers are not running they have not been running uh even in this freezing cold weather even in this freezing five degrees this morning they did not stuck didn't need it wait can you spell that out for me are you saying that the there's a backup system right so this okay I just wanted okay thank you um originally we needed them because we didn't have the wellfield and they're GNA remain in case there is a problem but um yeah it's it's doing great the the electric bill compared to the last fiscal year has dropped about $30,000 and um I'm waiting I can't wait to see January um with this weather um so I'm very optimistic um that jisco is going to run very well and very efficiently that's great news is that $30,000 for the month of December you're saying or is that for the $30,000 cumulative for the for this fiscal year just for the month of December it's a lot that's fantastic so some of the increase that we saw last year and the year before will hopefully decrease a bit um I did talk to Charlie young last week I I would like to wait until the end of the month and get another bill and see where we going we might end up with a surplus we might end up um Right On Target but I I'd feel better getting more hard numbers especially with the Driscoll screw but so if you end up with a surplus in this where does it go to do you keep it for utilities for the following year no um if there was a surplus you could transfer it to repairs which you've done in the past okay but that hasn't happened for many many many years uhuh I think there might be an argument that it should go back into the reserve fun since there's been so much money taken out for utilities over the last few years I don't know if that can be done or if it has to go back into free cash but um a lot is coming out of has come out of reserves and if it's actually due to utilities I think I would make that argument all right well whichever way it is it's uh certainly Ed good news as opposed to not good news can I ask a question following up on that maybe you said this and I just missed it would the 26 proposal be reduced in either case like is it possible because that is above the line right so like um well as you can see uh between Charlie young and myself assuming that FY 25's budget was correct we're going to need about a $73,000 increase now that's very very preliminary and it's because I Helen asked me to you know where are we going with this so those are the numbers those numbers could drop significantly as I get more information and it maybe we we wouldn't need an increase at all and potentially maybe might even get a decrease out of it well that's what I'm trying to figure out is when you'll know that just because like last year I think we ate like almost a million dollars right so um again if I could get some numbers for January I could um get some predictions going on and see where we end up okay I'm gonna caution you though because Trump is talking about a trade war with Canada and they've already talked about putting tariffs on on hydroelectric power coming out of Quebec which could impact Massachusetts electrical costs so like let's not count our savings before they hatch in this uncertain period of time okay um oh if I could back up just a minute so um typically I heat a building with um in this kind of weather with generating water temperature of about 190° the maximum temperature you can get out of an electric building um the way it's designed at Jal is 130 degrees that's the max um so how does it work it works because we have a lot of insulation the coils are out larger and the rooms are 70 72 degrees it's it's incredible how this system works and we're not sacrificing Comfort at all with only water temperature at 130° if you asked me that this 5 years ago I'd say absolutely impossible but it works so I'm actually doing a hybrid of this for the senior center we've already started working on it and um I'm taking existing equipment and converting it's like the uh the chiller I'm converting it into a chiller heat pump and we're going to heat the building electrically in about a year and I'm curious where that's going to end up well the geothermal though adds a lot to this it does that that's what makes the big difference and hopefully we'll have the same effect appears that we have here yeah um this is great um can I I just have one more question um how do the utility costs at Newberry and the old Lincoln factor in are they in your budget or are they in the peer school budget no they're in my budget my operating budget so and you you think that was just a wash with what the old Pierce was costing uh it's a wash or it's a little bit less right okay okay any other questions I just wanted to say thank you to Charlie yeah it's always a pleasure thanks Charlie well he's not done well still I just want to say I mean it's like you know so much like you have all these data points and like it's really impressive and thank you uh this is my 34th year the first time was with Jim Walsh so we come a long way Charlie almost came on together okay an update on the mini CIP deferred maintenance projects yes so um we did do some work over the break at new Lincoln we're going to continue work in the summer um on new Lincoln Carpeting and painting runal carpeting excuse me a little bit of floor repairs and painting um with the goal of trying to finish everything that's remaining on the list um I'm optimistic we can get done we've already queued up a lot of the contractors and um we're planning to status early as we can as soon as school's out and um that Lincoln and the brle school will be unoccupied which makes it a lot easier so for this coming summer correct and the the rest of so have we finished last except for Lincoln and RL have we finished the rest of the uh different maintenance projects in the mini CIP um we finished Baker that was the first one that was relatively [Music] small we finished um some of the minor projects like um rle had some work in the auditorium right so um you know the the new Lincoln was the largest cost so and the other I just say the other buildings that had small amount of work were done unfortunately I don't have that list right in front of me but okay but we're we're in good shape well I want to add um one thing I did reach out to the painter in uh flooring guy um about a month ago month half and my intention was to buy paint and flooring materials now before the tariffs kick him I was concerned about how it would affect our plans and our budget going forward um what I was told by both is that we won't realize this for another year um the floor all flooring companies are going to pretty much have a small increase um same with the painting the one country that isn't mentioned is India for tariffs a lot of the materials do come from India uhuh um not everything and not a total quantity so I think there's going to be a shift from Mexico or China and get more materials from other countries that are not have a higher ta like India um but it will catch up with us eventually so we're good okay do that we're GNA be fine thank you for looking ahead like that that's important yes Carolyn Charlie you just said something that pinged a question in my mind um do I understand correctly that more work was just done on the auditorium gim floors at and if so can you talk about that yeah there was a sort of a hump and a rotted section on um the outside of the wall the gym just to back up a little bit the floor has been patched many times and it's it's okay it it works fine um but by this section the wood underneath was all rotted so we had it repaired over the break Christmas break I should say and um it's safe now um no one's going to trip so was that where did how was that funded and what did it cost it was repair and maintenance and it cost around $9,000 okay and that's in addition to the work that was done over the summer there on the floor okay thank you okay um any other questions about the mini CIP car go well only because um Susan sent around this email what's going on with this dishwasher at Baker and where where's the funding coming from have you have has the Saga ended yet have you have you unraveled it Susan no I uh I guess my concern is that uh the select board was and you as well were pretty adamant that doing any more work would be a burden to Charlie and his staff and that we were not to proceed with any work um until he had finished up what was on the list so I'm just flagging it because Joe and I were surprised to hear about that and I didn't know if there was another meeting or some other conversation that had taken place that maybe one of the two of us had had missed so um that is why I sent the email because uh as far as I know the select board was pretty clear that the only thing we would be able to move forward with would be the Lawrence and that wouldn't be until the spring when Charlie's bills came in did I misunderstand because I thought they were pretty clear I thought everything was contingent on the bills coming in it wasn't it it wasn't being the the dishwasher wasn't no because of no new projects were getting approved until we'd know how much money if any was available so I guess the question is how did something get ordered and is proceeding without knowing how it was going to be paid for and where did that ordering come from and how was it planned for if you don't know if you don't have the money for it right well I mean that's a great question and that's that's my question happen when I don't know anything about it neither does my director of operations so we don't know we were surprised so that sounds like a a process issue you don't even know who ordered this dishwasher obviously it wasn't the building department that ordered it wasn't me wasn't it wasn't Joe we we didn't know about it until uh I got wind of it and I sent the email on Saturday so I I have no idea what happened okay well but okay assuming good intentions wherever we pay for part of the electrician and the plumber in the building department couldn't they install it I only have one electrician out of three the other two are of yeah they they had surgeries one had his hip replaced the other one had shoulder surgery and um I have two plumbers um we'll just say they mature and they've been out on various illnesses it's related to old age frankly their knees and backs and uh um they get the work done we're fine we still sub out a lot but um I couldn't really spare anybody I'm just trying to keep emergency things down and just do the basic stuff that doesn't cost a lot of money versus bringing in an outside contracted doing it so okay sorry I'm lost here I guess I didn't get the memo about a dishwasher can Helen can you fill in the blanks here uh I think that uh Susan can better than I I I didn't send the memo but I did read it basically there was a dishwasher somehow got ordered for which school uh Baker Baker Baker Baker and um to replace the one that's there and it's a little bit more complicated than just a regular you know the company you get it from installs it if I understood correctly and the question is the installation and the cost of installation and my question was since we pay for parts substantial parts of the plumbers and the electricians in the building department I think it's up to 75% of their uh costs um that why couldn't they do it but Charlie's explaining that they're not capable of it I guess so how does something get ordered and paid for some somehow it gets authorized right like was that at the building level or it we were just goad Joe can speak he he he had heard from somebody that you know we were going to get this dishwasher uh installed over February vacation and Joe and I were like first we'd ever heard of it so the point is is we can we can certainly track that down but what I'm flagging is last year there was an awful lot of angst because work was being done without going through the proper approval processes and um I don't want to go through another season of budget um you know like we did last year and so I'm just I don't know how it happened we were just um informed about it and yeah so okay why don't we rather than going over and over this I'm sorry to interrupt you Susan but I think rather why don't we just find out the details and next time we can have an update okay and then we'll know what not to do we're looking for Helen is Clarity on whether or not we missed something because I thought it was clear that we were not we were we were told not to move forward with anything and if we can then that's fine we should just I just want to hear it which is why I sent the email over the weekend just to say did we miss something did something change because if it's changed that's fine but uh I don't want to get into you know next month and then um be taken to task because work was done that had had was not approved through this authorization process so but I have a question the authorization process only applies to deferred maintenance was the dishwasher or something on the Deferred maintenance list we added three pieces of kitchen significant kitchen equipment to the CIP this year right and and we and they were pretty you know um we felt pretty high priorities correct but when we went through the reallocation process that was approved last year at town meeting um the board of Selectmen ultimately uh decided that they would not support what the school committee had brought forward for a recommendation but that they would um uh pause any new work being performed until the work that had been authorized in the prior uh year was finished and all the bills were in to see if there was really truly going to be enough money to reallocate to other purposes so that's I see so this dishwasher was one of those three projects exactly and the one that prioritized over that was to get the Lawrence um additional space um taken care of over at the Lawrence School was the next priority okay thank you I just I guess because I didn't get the email either I was yeah I wasn't not anchored in reality either helping email to Charlie and Helen and uh Carol to see if there was something else that had transpired that Joe and I missed it wasn't meant to be a big conversation today we're just trying to seek out um clarification as to if something changed we weren't made we weren't aware if something changed and if it did change then fine then we didn't even need to have the conversation but nobody's been able to ver verify that the directive had changed it has not changed that's clear I just that's why I sent it out I didn't I didn't know you don't know something you ask okay I think we've beat that subject down now uh let's move on to the next one um and Charlie I'm going to ask you to stay on for this one because I think your expertise might be needed uh it's a discussion of outdoor security cameras at Brookline High School and Hal I think you're going to take it away hi everyone hi welcome nice to see you I can just add a word I was expecting just on the previous subject I was expecting this week to be terrible at school super cold after the 3-day weekend and the and the and the cold place was great usually I'm running around waving this thing getting temperatures around the building because people are complaining about cold all these guys did a great job I had zero complaints and no broken pipes you can bring that thing over to my house around my house no frozen pipes no problems no complaints all around you know a couple of you know grafty windows and things like that the usual but um really great and and I would Advocate on Charlie's paap again that world of HVAC as we know has mushroomed and the costs have mushroomed and you know he's got a couple of strong people around and we want to protect those people and have additional people to help out in an increasingly complex world and the high school obviously being guilty of creating a large part of that complex just doing our part um can I share my screen yes so uh just a super simple presentation um we feel we need to add exterior cameras to the high school why uh if you've been outside on tapping Street you've seen the crowd out there we have changed the campus this was part of the goal of the um High School building project was to literally change what the campus looked like and so by adding in that building we've essentially changed the geographic center of the campus away from say the steps in front of the building if you come after school for example you're not going to see the kids right on the steps in front of the building right on the right you know dead center on Greeno Street they've pushed down toward the nice New Plaza that we have and there's a lot more activity at all times of day between that corner of taen and greo heading all the way down past the train station to the 22 building and so the amount of traffic so that part of the project was an immense success we moved the center of Campus we created a building and this you know Helen is I don't know if Mariah was around you were probably on some of these committees at some point during this time so much of the concern about this project was we're going to build this satellite building on campus and it's going to be this Annex and it's going to be orphaned and it's going to become a whole will have a bifurcated campus and to everyone's credit the plan that everybody came up with and agreed with didn't do that it created a unified campus but as you see from this picture this is just a random picture I pulled off my phone of kids walking down the street it is a changed environment around the building there was a long time when kids have always moved between buildings and been out on the streets on the public ways you know on Reno and taen but it was 50 kids at a time going between the 115 buildings and the gym or 50 50 you know 60 kids going from the 115 building over to the UA and back now I've got hundreds and hundreds of kids every block going back and forth so once an hour I have a procession of kids going back I should have gotten some videos a little cold out today and we're in midterm so it was a little different but you you've seen it you've been here during the day it's a totally different feel and as we know we feel that um we need to have adult presence all around as much as possible and part of that adult eye is can be achieved by installing outdoor cameras it was part of our original plan I've got some of the language up here from that original plan I think we all probably agree on the why um the the how has long been a question Charlie and I have been looking for years at different aspects of how we can do it and we now have in from lantel again the same company that does the other work in town and they would have to be the ones to do it because it needs to marry into the system that's used around town uh they have mapped out for us exactly how they would do it and uh they surveyed with me walked all around the campus uh looked at every angle asked a lot of questions about where we would need and wouldn't need to have coverage and what the what it would be the type of resolution and and um cameras that would be needed and so they've mapped out this system that would give us essentially coverage of the whole outdoor space around the C campus we're only talking about outdoor cameras we're only talking about getting a picture of everything that's around the building at all times we essentially have none of that now other than a little doorbell camera that we have for the uh at 22 in the new building uh for the elevator and also at the front door other than that little doorbell camera which literally talks to a screen on a telephone that's about this big so my the the secretary there can Buzz somebody in other than that we have nothing we have no cameras we have no ability to know anything that's happening on campus I I I'll briefly you know we we had an incident earlier this year where it would have been very helpful to more quickly understand the context of what was happening on the campus uh and that would have been very easily done had we had this type of camera system uh on the outside so that's the why and and the what it would be there's obviously some other questions but uh yeah I'm sure Mariah and others are going to have questions first Helen can I ask my question go for it thanks um I had two questions one was I didn't see a camera for the front of 22 yeah I was thinking the same thing going towards the T yeah this is well or just anywhere P this off of the bid documents there is definitely cameras we had did a lot of conversation about exactly where how you would hang it on the parit there where it would go what type of resolution it would be down you know essentially they assured me that this would give us complete the the the model that LEL built out for us was to give us complete coverage so we would be able to identify kids cars anything on that street coming uh along uh on the uh eastbound Direction along tapen Street including everything coming up the stairs from both directions okay and then my second question is um I'm assuming but please correct me if I'm wrong that this would not be used for this would be used retrospectively you would not be having someone assigned to look at it this would be in the case of an incident you could go back and review the tape right yeah this would we would have to obviously set up some very strict rules with uh the town and with school committee about how it would be accessed and certainly we're not planning on having live monitoring of who's walking up and down the street we like we'd be like there's been something Something's Happened we need to take a look and see who this person was that approached the school and what was happening so yes it would only be in in the aftermath of events not proactively in the middle of events would you be planning to have a screen where you could for example if someone said there's someone suspicious outside and then would you be able to look at it and see if you still see them when they are outside like would you have the ability to turn on a a screen in the front office to be able to look at them if you needed to in real time not that you would have someone sitting there all the time doing that to your point but would you be able to access them in real time if that would be a live Fe going to the screen so yes I imagine theoretically could do that I imagine there might be a few cases where that would be the the case but I wouldn't want that to Sidetrack or to create the impression that we're going to be watching that that's not point no I understand somebody supicious out in the street my first response is going to be to grab this and get my security and my Deans out there to find out what's going on because they're going to give me much better intelligence than a picture on a screen great that's very helpful and I had one more question which I will not remember right now so I'll keep going and let someone else talk and come back to me Sarah I just like to ask um because I couldn't tell from the pictures I assume the cameras are um one story up and tamper proof yes yeah these are all modern-day cameras they're it's you know Charlie and I did this I I don't know more than 10 years ago probably almost 15 years ago we we bid and the cost at that time was I think more than the cost of this now because you needed so many more cameras and so many you just didn't have the ability to get cameras and put them on PO and do it and now the tiny cameras that can be tucked up put at high distance that have protective coverings and they're giving you high resolution at 270 degrees 180 degrees the technology has advanced in our favor greatly over the past 101 15 years so and yes they will certainly be at height and tamper proof thank you tamper resistant I guess Carolin are you finished Sarah I'm sorry okay uh take your hand down uh Carolyn thanks I have two questions and that's minor because I'm sure this is only the beginning I did sort of have I noticed the same thing Mariah did what I was seeing was I didn't see something on like the tap in Cypress corner where I know sometimes like kids crossing gives you spilus there when they're running across Cyprus but that's just a minor Helen I wonder if you can give any context about other buildings like I've seen I think in the Driscoll and Pierce because they're new do are there cameras there can you give us context I'm trying to remember but I think the the issue is more high school specific I think there are a few but I can't remember exactly so I don't want to give out information that I don't know uh Charlie may know better but I think the high school where you have young adults who there can be issues you know and there's a public tea stop right in front of the school so between all those things I see this as a very different a very different situation than the elementary schools I don't disagree and that's really my question has more to do with anticipating um the kinds of concerns that people sometimes have about cameras with respect to privacy issues which are not concerns that I share but that I have heard most of those issues in the past have been within the buildings not so much outside the buildings because those are public spaces that people can well no I mean there is a whole and I'm just being realistic and I'm not arguing this but I'm I'm we heard like there was a whole conversation in town meeting a few years ago I know I remember Amy hmel was very upset about a lot of the and some other people on town meeting um so just in anticipation yeah that's why I'm wondering what if this would be the only place where we have cameras or if we already have cameras operating at other schools Charlie Joe you have cameras at every other school building primarily uh installed near doors and only looking in the area around the doors and okay towards the street okay great thanks and then so what if what's the process here how Charlie Helen Susan well what I first want to ask maybe I can then interrupt you is what is the cost of this first of all do we know do we have a sense we have a bid from uh lantel so it's going to be somewhere low very low six figures so uh 150 or less unless there's other additions that are put on on the the town side Andor on the police side about other things that they would want to have in this system but just over but that would obiously have to go out to bid um no you don't yes but no because it's a LEL it's a proprietary I'll let Charlie speak to it but it's their system bantel has a a state contract okay multiple security companies have state contracts so it doesn't have to go through procurement there b or whatever that is no it doesn't have to be bit out uh but the then my next question is is there capacity in the high school renovation because this was originally in there to uh to do this project well this will go into the next phase of the conversation did did you want to get other questions first before we talk about the money before we talk money let's okay then let's finish with the question I remembered my question which was one of the cameras is pointed towards the stop does the tea have any like is there any requirement to get their okay on that or since it's a public space we don't have to or the te of course has cameras there are cameras on the t- stop already uh yeah we'd probably have to get in contact with them and see what they where they want the limits and there'd be a lot of limitations that that you know lantel I know is used to about angles and what is picking up on cameras in areas where there might have to be blackouts on cameras so that it's not uh picking up anything uh outside of the scope of like in not anything in the backyards of brington road for example yeah on brington road up on well and you know exactly what that because that camera could take in everything but it's not going to be physically able to do that it's going to have a blackout area once it crosses the street and and crosses the say the sidewalk on the west side of um of well and I see do feel the need for it on well yes we feel that we feel if we're doing it this is the time to get all of the exterior it's an open campus we have kids coming in all time it's so much better with our tap guard system it's been working great uh and still we want to know what's happening all around the building uh because that's it's a CH it's like I said it's a different campus than it used to be uh Carol I'm a neighbor because I live on Blake Road so I'm in front of the high school all the time are these going to be on 247 or are these only going to be on during High School hours uh I would defer to uh Charlie and Helen on that I my only interest is during High School hours and during High School events what happens after that is not my call but isn't that part of the documentation that we're going to sort of have some like you said there's going to be some documents that articulate use and so forth and that needs to be part of it yes what do we do with the others at the schools do we keep the cameras on when they upgade 247 I mean it may be more expensive to turn them off and on than to just leave them on but but Charlie was saying they're only on the doorways versus you know every time I I take a walk down to Brookline Village or the Tea Stop in the evening or come back from from from something in town hall I'm going to be on the camera which I don't know how I feel about that but I'm just curious keeping eyes on you Carol we're keeping eyes sorry well and to that point I mean just to I'm thinking through this like how if you cut it off in the middle of the street what's to stop students from realizing that and crossing the street to do whatever things that they're up to again I'm not trying to catch kids doing things that they're up to I'm I'm trying to give us additional ability to understand what's happening around the campus it's you know so yes we're not going to create a system that's gonna uh prevent kids from doing kid things but we are gonna have a way of understanding what's happening around the campus so again it would cover the sidewalks it would cover both sides of the street it would cover both sides of Welland it just wouldn't go as far as people's doorways so I see yes kids eventually discover they they want to go Vape by the school they can go stand you know inside somebody's doorway on wellend we're not going that far with the camera we're looking at the immediate vicinity the streets the sidewalks and that's about it okay um Carol did you have another question so do we want to take it next piece so um I'm we're funding I'm still waiting Arie Marcus has stopped returning my calls I don't know why I thought he was going to pay for the whole thing but he stopped he's not my call so short of Arie Marcus uh pulling sorry that's a joke really just for wait who's Arie Marcus it um Mr Marcus it is our contention that this is an integral part of the school building project and should therefore be funded entirely out of the school building project and uh I'm looking essentially for the committee's authoriz to go before the building commission to have this conversation with them about the funding there is money left over a lot of that money is being cautiously guarded for very good reason because we know that we have an unknown expense with our HBA system at 22 and we have an unknown expense with our tunnel project here at the high school however I believe and I this is what I would it's a small number compared to the number that's there and the number that's being used for both of those uh percentage wise it's quite small compared to that maybe 5% of what we're talking about in total for those two other projects but those are of course unknowns and there that unknown of course is leading to the all the caution however the tunnel project we believe is not fairly being build entirely to it's not fair to entirely build that project to the high school renovation project it is an item that was discovered because of the project but the undermining of that tunnel was not caused by the project nor should it be entirely therefore on the project to make up the cost of that tunnel that that funding for that tunnel project which could reach you know High six figures if not a little higher uh that funding We Believe should come from other sources not from the high school renovation um budget or at least not entirely from the high school renovation budget therefore leaving ample funding to uh take care of this project and some of the other smaller projects that were spec uh after the uh completion of the project and for those of us who weren't there for the project cameras were included um when the project was no okay thank you cameras were included in the education plan cameras were included as part of what we felt we needed for the campus but for some of the reasons that have already been mentioned about the political climate and what was happening in town meeting at that time uh and also at that time without getting too far into the politics of it there was there were other budgetary considerations going out of time we were not the the co-chairs with our consent uh decided that we were not going to be pursuing that item in the um project because it was too at that time too contentious that's helpful and thank you for stating it that way just the facts only thank you y so Carol Carol are you have your hand up still is that meant to no okay Mariah so I personally would like to see the sort of governance document before um it went before I was ready to support it for the building commission I guess I want to understand the entire universe of use and scope yes I agree is that something that the school would be creating or is that something that the school committee would be creating or what is I I'm not sure what the entity is that creates such a document I'm not either AR it's probably you but I don't know who who created the document if there is one um for the elementary schools I don't think there is one I don't think we have a policy on cameras oh you said the magic word policy which means it's now Steven's problem I was thinking that but this could go on forever this could go on forever if we well there is the surveillance committee which might have some useful content um committee yeah there's does anyone else know what I'm talking about there's like a town committee on surveillance it's a select board committee um um yeah I think surveillance might be I'm not sure it's disbanded but it's paused I spoke to Chaz about this not too long ago it was I and I think I was asking him about it because of this conversation when it was percolating earlier in the fall [Music] um and I would imagine you have peer um peer how in other nearby districts who have these who certainly would have some sort of guidance documents we you could I get you Newton's copy because Newton went through this uh with North so and yes and they do their their's covers interior and exterior cameras and again we're not talking interior cameras we're solely talking exterior cameras well perhaps if you could get their document that might just be a way of us saying like like if it's a strong document then that's really helpful if like we at least have a model you know to a good model to work from yeah I will get that for you and send it to you within the next few days okay I mean that's just my opinion I'm just saying that like you know I don't know how the committee feels but that's my thoughts on it I have a question about funding and Helen you can laugh at me again for being naive I I don't mean laugh at me again you can laugh at me for again being naive um but just trying to sort of cover all the potential ideas here um so there was this moment not too long ago where we did something like we we transferred what was left over from uh the frr project I think to sort of help out with Pierce no no what we did was the bonding capacity we didn't transfer any monies okay but it was the bond ing at the lower rate yes so what did that mean when we bonded F frr we we bonded some monies that didn't weren't didn't need to be used yep so you know that debt exclusion then moved over to from my understanding car may know better than me yeah I'm I'm happy to explain it basically and sorry let me just I'm going to just finish because it's a second question and I I'm going to guess the answer so I don't know where drisle is ending up and I'm guessing that for these kinds of reasons it would probably be too soon to talk about like doing something with leftover money from Driscoll because I'm guessing you like to wait a few years to see what comes up but that's sort of that's usually what happens if there's significant monies that doesn't get bonded basically so it goes back to the taxpayer that happened in a number of our projects prior you know in Prior projects um I think here we as the owner of the high school can request that the building Committee of the high school uh do this project and they then through the building commission will determine whether there's funding for it I mean that would be the the way to go about it um I think you know the the stuff that has to happen at uh you know the HVAC St whatever it's called I don't know what do you call the stuff that Messier is doing um help the tunnel it's the tunnel repairing the tunnel and the water infiltration there um that probably should also I mean because the high school was a project even though that particular area wasn't part of it I mean it's either going to come out of the CIP or it's going to come out of the the project it's one of the two and that one's above my pay grade how that works but um I think that this piece is something that we as a school committee could request so I think I'm just trying to think through a process of you know so that we don't drag this on forever maybe you could get the information for us at our next meeting next month we could we could have it ahead of time look at it we could even determine I guess we have to do it in the public meeting I mean we probably would have to bring it to the full school committee I think um because I don't think it should be just the capital subcommittee that decides it um and once we see what Newton did and how they went about doing it maybe then we'll have a better clear Way Forward uh but I think we I could speak with the chair of the um High School building committee or maybe you have spoken to them already to tell them this might be coming up hell in the meantime I haven't addressed it with anybody on the building commission certainly not building commission I'm talking about the building committee because they would be the ones that would you know yeah I you know they know in the abstract I but I haven't talked to George or Nancy HSE in a while so not not specifically about this but certainly they know the scope of things that still are outstanding the things that we're gonna you know the simple projects we were going to be handing off to to get the little punch list type things to clean up okay uh Carol yeah I just wanted to answer Carolyn's question what happened with ridle is the msba reimbursed after we had borrowed and spent money because we had borrowed that money at a low rate those borrowed funds were then reallocated to the driscal project so we wouldn't have to borrow money at a higher rate it was just the authorization and just to remind everyone the CIP is really stretch thin and there's not going to be much free cash to fund it so minute I heard there was 16 thou 16 million this year of free cash I don't know but you know ballista has been warning that there isn't going to be as much free cash as we had whatever it was well last year was a lot it was like 24 million so um just like with the I don't know what's going on with the garage under town hall and the Pierce project you know so I think there's good reason for the building commission to be holding on to money to fund all these things and you know I mean you might say maybe if there's money left over after those after those other two things are taken care of you priority they're two separate things this is a need of the school building from the school build you know the debt exclusion from the high school the other items are more townwide issues that about the the tunnel ah the tunnel come for the tunnel thank you so you might just put it at the top of your list whenever it is they feel comfortable spending the money I think Charlie correct me if I'm wrong it's this summer they're doing it isn't it yes is it going out to bid it is going out to bid and hopefully we get an estimate soon I've been waiting um and as hell said it's probably going to be high in the six figures so okay so Helen are you looking for us to sort of aine or just listen or well I it I think people have said what they thought unless there's more that people want to say I think we need to get some information from Newton I I will try and follow up at least with the building chairs at uh the high school subcommittee you know the committee on the high school to find out where the you know what the the budget looks like and see where what's what's feasible and get back next okay and I'm not sure I I will just say for the record because I'm not sure I did say clearly um I do think it would be important to have some kind of I think governance documents probably a good idea um but my support is I would assume that whatever that is is reasonable so directionally I just want to be clear that I support the high school's um desire to do this appreciate that thank you all right um I don't know if anybody else wants to say anything or or I I support it as well thank you okay and I I will support it depending you know looking at that information and um and I I the only thing I might question is the numbers because there seemed like an a little bit of Overkill uh you know in terms of how many cameras there are you know and especially in the back where there isn't as much foot traffic and people you know be unwell in road but we can that's a smaller discussion right okay um thanks everyone you're welcome thanks we have any new business anybody um I'm going to reiterate something that I said in an email um and I feel like this kind of came up a few times peripherally just in terms of like how much of the r&m budget gets spent and goes back into free cash um there were by my count something like 260,000 worth of um work done at Newberry and Os over the summer that were showing up on reports and then stopped showing up on reports um my understanding last time this got talked about a little bit was that r&m was used rather than giving those funds back to free cash um which in some respects I understand um but I think it's I believe it's really important that the accounting for our building projects is very clear and transparent because the public needs to know what the projects really cost and if we subsidize them from other buckets then we never know that so I've brought this up a few times and I would like to see that spending sort of addressed and explained and and better accounted so Carolyn I think I was I was thinking about this quite a bit and it seems to me both OSS and Newbury are Town buildings first and foremost you know they're school and town buildings and that's what our repair and maintenance budget is there to do most of that the projects have added to those buildings by being able to do more work there than we might otherwise need to do to maintain them Helen and that would be the way $160,000 worth of work was done to prepare those buildings to be swing space very clearly and specifically for the Pierce building project and it was always talked about that way but for every project there's not one penny should be spent at Newbery other than from the Pierce project it is wing space but what about the elevator can I can I just ask is this new business like I don't have any problem with talking about it but like oh okay we're past 5:30 and um well I don't know how else to continue to talk about this publicly which I feel is I am it I I have to do it but doesn't doesn't the new agend doesn't the new business being like we add it we suggest a future agenda item well I would like this to be a future agenda item okay we'll we'll do that okay um all right thank you other so just for the committee's knowledge um the GMP will be discussed at the peer School building uh project it has come in under budget which is a good thing um and um I'm really excited about it so um uh that should be uh that would be posted for our school building uh committee you know um that is new business but we haven't gotten anything yet and John Van spoak in his email to the world called out the peer School building committee the fact that the the things aren't put up in advance it was put up it was put up today I haven't rece I well unless it came in during this meeting I put on the um School bill that's my understanding I actually did see it um but I'm assuming it's up I I'll take a look afterwards but we should have it 24 hours in advance if we're going to have a meaningful discussion just like Charlie gave his information 24 hours in advance so people can have to think about their questions and it has not been this the standard I will say uh I know they were rushing to get it to us hold on I'm looking at yeah they they always rush they they need to up their de no they didn't have the numbers until Friday so uh and it's not in here it should have been okay but I I just wanted to to point out that that was a very public notice of um by John see it it was so public that I didn't see it I'm sorry okay I'm not sure where he posted it he he sends out an email to I'm not on his list sorry sign up I'm not that interested thank you are we all set with today all right okay thank you may thanks good night everybody thanks H and Joe thank you night