all their stuff ready all right so I'll call the meeting to order at 6:01 uh Cape Canaveral business and economic development board um and if the um clerk call the role please okay chairperson Mrs Mays present Vice chairperson Mr Hermanson present Mr [Music] Felino Miss Partridge present Miss s um Mr Smith won't be here and Miss Taylor thank you thank you and this is our first time we've had a um public participation card um but I believe that the giver of said card is a old proit so I don't think I have to explain the rules um but I believe in our uh agenda that would be our next item correct yeah so I I believe this is um I've always known her as Miss Shannon Shannon what is your last name I'm so sorry Roberts okay thank you that's what I thought it said shes drive here in the city and the concern I've got goes back to the visioning effort and I know that you all have that on the agenda here um that was done when we had almost I think 600 residents that participated the Rison about the visioning of the city and at that time and this was sort of in the 2008 20 10 time period um the residents were very vocal about wanting to minimize the number of hotels they really did want to uh emphasize the residential character of the city uh given the uniqueness of the city and over the years I mean for those of us that have been here and we see how much we've deviated from that residential character plan and that's the reason I'm here it just is soad you know I'm asking what the groundbreaking is and we're told it's for hotels again and we in my opinion through the years we've turned to this advisory committee to work with the developers to influence protecting the residential character to the extent I know we have to be respectful of private property rights and I appreciate that but I think without uh very Advanced planning for the city to make sure that we do preserve the richness and the unique character of the city to Ser the the residents we're just going to lose it we're going to look like anytime USA I remember Titusville did their uh Renaissance planning years ago and they were worried that they would be what I guess for planners is considered a a Class C Community meaning that it's a proliferation of hotels motels whatever the case may be gas stations whatever it's not that those don't serve the community but it's just when you have a proliferation of it you just lose the sense of where you're going right now and we used to talk about this we passed through between Port Canaveral and Coco beach you can't even see that we really can't Canaveral and now we're going to have another hotel built right at the entrance of the city and I just I don't know where to go I mean I know that uh those that have heard me speak before Council have been concerned about it and others have too but I'm just trying to get a sense um of where to go with our concerns this came up in the Strategic visioning effort last year that uh was led by the city and it came up the year before and I don't know where we go with the voice of the residents and um any advice that you give us would be greatly appreciated but I wanted to come today to just see if this is an Avenue for us to resurrect that original vision and to protect the city for its unique character and not make us everywhere USA which is what I sense we're becoming if we've not already if we don't protect the city's character Residential Care thank you very much thank you again for serving the city thank you for your comments Mr Roberts all right uh next we're going to um do a we have minutes I believe from our previous meeting to uh and I'll entertain a motion on the minutes so moved and a second uh uh we have a motion a second any discussion all in favor I all right motion passes all right let's get on to our new business um because we have no no old business listed in our agenda new business um approval of the minutes which we've done and then um we received um some feedback on the economic action plan in uh our agenda um and we discussed that a little bit further all right so next is is an update from fdot uh A1A improvements presentation hi everybody uh my name is Lexi Miller I work here at the City of Cape Canaveral I don't think I've met everybody um I work somewhere between engineering and planning in the community and economic development department and one of the roles I have is essentially as a transportation development coordinator for the city um so I'm kind of the uh formal liaison and Patty could you go back one slide please please uh it should be one slide prior you should have a map of Florida on it no yeah that's it there go um so obviously here in Cape Canaveral A1A is a major uh artery through our community um there's a lot of different projects going on throughout A1A but specifically in Cape Canaveral we seem to have a lot of I call them plates spinning at the same time it is an fdot roadway uh so while FD works with the city as a partner and uh you know reaches out for our input when it comes to the development of some of their improvements along A1A at the end of the day it's it's their project it's their program um and we can kind of we can lend lend our input for it uh we just to kind of lay out some some basic uh demographics for our area and when it comes to A1A and some of the transportation management in the area we're in District 5 um so that's a pretty large Central District um it goes all the way out to Orlando all the way up through valua um and they have a they have a lot of programming going on in District 5 in general and then additionally uh Bard County Traffic Ops which is kind of a an office that houses both Bard County as well as District 5 um subject matter experts manages intersections and signals in in um in Bard County in general but specifically in Cape canaval and when it comes to uh the city's input and perspective on A1A the council has adopted what's known as resolution 20232 which prioritizes all of those things that you see on your screen so things like accessibility walkability safety sense of place uh loow low impact or low maintenance landscaping placemaking and then most recently uh support of a design of A1A that has medians to be used for vehicle access management So currently out on A1A it's called a bidirectional turn lane so it's that Middle Lane with the double yellow on either side that tells you you know you can pull into it to turn into a driveway into a business off into a street um so Council unanimously supported more access management along A1A uh through the use of median so it just kind of organizes traffic a little bit better and in a safer more predict a way Patty could you to the next slide so what that looks like at the conal phase is this what we call a roll plot you see in front of you um it's a pretty high level view so apologies if it's a little bit hard to see uh just for the sake of referencing that top portion of it is actually so North North is right on your screens um so that top portion of it is uh that where you see that intersection at the bottom that's actually International Drive North Atlantic and A1A coming together as you go right on the screen it moves North and the right side um the right side of that image lines up again with the left side of the bottom image so if you could imagine basically taking the top image and the bottom image and just kind of pasting them together from the top right and the bottom left it's one long line it's a little hard to put into one piece of paper without it kind of rolling out like a roll a toilet paper um so this was kind of the best way to capture it into one space this was created and provided by fdot and so the major projects here in the city are actually two separate projects it's what's known as the intersection realignment and the corridor improvements project the intersection realignment specifically refers to the intersection of A1A also known as astronaut or North Atlantic North Atlantic an International Drive so down by the Wells Fargo Cumberland Farms just north of Jackson um where that emergency signal is where our fire station is what this concept basically takes into account is realigning that intersection right now the current intersection is not aligned properly uh it would be traditional signalized and a we call it a plused up intersection uh and then moving North along the corridor there' be medians uh with some lowlevel low maintenance Landscaping as well as additional striping and protected turn Lanes um Patty if you could just go back to the image additional turn Lanes it moves North it maintains the existing intersections in the area um there are some pedestrian Crossings along it um there's plenty of opportunities if you're heading Northbound to turn left or make a U-turn to go southbound or if you're heading southbound to do the opposite um and then it also does what's called or increases what's called a horizontal deflection as you're coming off of 528 as it turns and curves to become A1A which is that bottom right part of the image uh so it increases those horizontal deflections and what that is is it's a treatment to help slow down traffic so as you come around a Bend you have to naturally slow down to maintain control of your vehicle and that's part of what's being used to help people slow you know slow up as they're coming into Cape Canaveral off of 528 um before I move on to kind of the next slide which just has a little bit of information on it for the current status of these projects are there any questions on the concept specifically one of the things I didn't mention is that it also includes a extra wide I think 8ft shared path for bicycl and pedestrians on both sides so there won't be a separated protected bike lane from the from a sidewalk but rather an extra wide on both sides um shared path for bicyclists and pedestrians still protected from traffic with a median there any questions on this design specifically coming right after and you're sl down right side at what what's the length of that how be because I know that I drive I know a lot of people that's a great idea you know like what what for it to change guess speed Lim I'm not is a yeah I'm not entirely sure I mean this is to scale so I could I could whip out my scale and figure it out um but I don't I don't have that off hand I can find out exactly what that looks like that portion of this project is and you'll and I'll kind of talk about it in the next slide is uh not yet at 60% designs so they're still in the design phase and 60% is kind of their was one of the Milestones that they hit so once that's there we'll be able to kind of review it and see an update as well pass the r TR I don't from what I'm looking at it doesn't seem like it so this oh no so this is where the high place is being built right now oh okay so it's past that no it's short of that if you're asking about the windiness here then it stops short of where the higher place is being constructed oh so it's right out before it's really on the ramp basically the overpass it's the over be the whole but it looks like they're expanding the overpass in order to get these turns they're likely going to be widening it or maybe narrowing the lanes to kind of get a little bit more wiggle room in what exists currently uh but again that's that's kind of a a lad part of the project when is the uh the first phase is scheduled for construction when no I just I actually have that on the next slide um so I was just going to ask if there's any questions on the concept first just so I don't forget and misquote myself this is the parking lot for so it's not it's not being eliminated it's being basically medians are being put in its place with protected turn Lanes so we're not going to fill the whole Space um we're just doing what's called vehicular access management with the use of medians so instead of you being able to turn kind of anywhere just like you know kind of getting playing a game of chicken with somebody else in that middle turn in that middle B it's called a bidirectional turn lane it organizes traffic so it's more predictable and a little bit safer it also is kind of our only option when it comes to speed tables and speed or not speed tables but speed studies um it's one of our only options to get some true traffic calming through Cape Canaveral to pot potentially get a 35 mph design speed so right now this road current in its current state the stretch of A1A that goes by city hall is 40 m an hour and as it turns towards 528 and splits it goes up to 45 this design has a design speed of 40 so essentially when they're looking at speed how to how to what what type of speed to put into an area they have design speed they have Target speed and they have the actual speed and speed is a little bit of a chicken egg um process so if you have a certain speed that people travel at you have to essentially measure What's called the 85th percentile so 85% of of drivers are traveling at or above or below that speed and that informs you whether or not you can safely reduce the speed further without creating um hazards so with this design speed with all of the characteristics and the pieces of the design that come together it has a 40 mph speed design speed now once they construct it and traffic starts to go through it and they can collect data they might be able to say hey we're hitting that correct 85th percentile and can reduce the speed to 35 it would be very difficult for us to reduce the speed to 35 though without these additional medians uh because they do create traffic calming which is kind of a a natural um process that happen happens people kind of organically slow down because they feel they should be slowing down people tend to drive a speed they feel comfortable driving so if you make it uncomfortable to drive fast you drive slower and therefore it's a little bit safer and the things that they can use to create that environment of slower driving include medians Landscaping um speed tables narrowing Lanes um signage so there's there's a few different measur me that Engineers take to help reduce speeds and that's just kind of a that's like a federal highway safety administration that's us do um Minnesota do is a big case study researcher body for for traffic um and some of the safety guidelines that come out could roundabouts be used as a thing to slow things down yes roundabouts are typically seen as a they are an intersection measure so they typically help assign movement and um right of way not not like the physical right of way but rather the who has the right of way to proceed so they they control um traffic movements initially this project was being proposed as a roundabout so where you see the realigned intersection where International Drive so the top left of the images um where International Drive North Atlantic and A1A can't come together that was initially proposed as a roundabout um but that wasn't supported uh so fdot uh pivoted to a realigned intersection there any other questions on this design I'm not next my monitor is not working that's why Tom and I are hanging out um the um the green edges I assume is the protected 8ot walkway is that is that what that is on the map on the design or is that right of way that I think it's just the project boundary it's hard to tell just because the it's so small I think it's the project boundary so it's just showing where the scope of it is right um but there if you look kind of in the middle um on the middle of the screen that call out it's a rectangular call out it shows a crosssection of the roadway you can see on this you can see like in the middle there's a tree with Landscaping two cars the hedging M and then you see that protected bike ped way on the side yeah it's it's it's a little bit hard to see I have big giant printed pieces of paper um for the sake of everyone we didn't want to have to like manage those in here it's a lot but if you ever have any you know desire to see them you can always reach out to me and I'm happy to go over them additionally we do have um uh City page with this that that sits on it we have like an FD A1A a update page that the city maintains um granted the most up-to-date information is going to be on fdot's website and we very explicitly say that on our website we just kind of keep it there for ease of access for for residents yes that will be something that we have to work with fdot on right now we contract out much of our all of our our grounds maintenance um because it's in the middle of the right of way we'll have to work with them on that they they have contractors that they work with other towns there's there's premise for other towns and cities who have used who have said fdot needs to maintain it um but but we're either way us and FD we both interested in having low maintenance Florida native you know all of all of those other important words um types of landscaping so you said that the part where the overpass is um towards the port to bottom right corner of our page is to at almost a 60% design is that what you said yes so actually Patty if you could go to the next slide yeah my next question is where is the design phase for the rest of the pieces um you it went twice if you just go back one one more oh oh okay so on the roll plot that you saw there's technically two projects there's the intersection realignment which is really just where A1A International Drive and North Atlantic come together and then a little bit of the roadway surrounding it and then uh the second project is what we're calling the corridor improvements which is just basically from that intersection all the way through to George King Boulevard where the ramp is um So currently they're both in design phase 60% designs have been submitted um to their internal review process for the intersection realignment but 60% designs have not yet been completed for the corridor Improvement portion um we are waiting both the 90% plans for the intersection realignment and the 60% plans for the corridor improvements this summer that's what we were told last is they would be they're on schedule to be completed this summer in terms of funding um what the way that these types of project work is that the space coast Transportation Planning organization needs to get them on what's called their list of priority projects it is a very kind of multifaceted complex bureaucratic process there's a lot of plans and lists that things need to get on so it needs to get on the space coost tpo's list of priority projects it then also needs to be on fdot's 5year work program um and then there's kind of a few steps in between that we don't necessarily have to get into in this meeting um so for both TPO and through to the fdot 5year program the intersection realignment project is fully funded so that includes design RightWay acquisition and construction for the corridor improvements currently design is the only fully funded phase um so right now right of-way acquisition and construction are not on fdot's uh fiveyear program we're working to change that we work with fdot extensively to to get that to get that on their on their work program um but that's where we're at in terms of status for design right of way construction for both of those projects so on the left side of your screen is the intersection reement project and on the right side is those Corridor improvements um fdot just like any other entity has been hit hard with inflation um you can obviously tell these are very different projects right the project Footprints are very different but construction of an a pretty major intersection realignment is just under $9 million to be estimated and current currently about a mile a little bit less of roadway improvements is 22 million um so those are some very large differentials and discrepancies uh and a lot of a lot of the design and conceptual phase and cost estimating for this was completed over the last three four is years so prices have obviously exponentially increased in that time um a number of their other programs have also had to really kind of Scramble for funding as well as cut back on their Scopes um so we are working in lock step with fdot Space Coast TPO and whoever we can to make sure that these projects stay a priority Maxi is the the second bullet on the U intersection realignment it says CST is that construction in fiscal year 27 yes so the intersection realignment um because of some of the funding struggles we had and some of the pivots that fdot had to take for uh redesigning the intersection from a roundabout to a realignment uh did push back their initial schedule start date for construction so they're looking to start construction in their fiscal year 27 so both of these projects are multiple years out and they have to start the intersection realignment project before they can really do the improvements for um the corridor it's a little bit of like a bookend um you have to kind of have one side done and then they'll most likely start from the um George King Boulevard and work their way South Who currently represents C canille and CLE Beach on the TPO I know we alternate skip I can't remember skips Williams skip Williams um so we actually share for North Beach's Coalition we share representation with Coco Beach it's been Don Willis as the primary voting member for the last two years we just flipped this past year so now skip Williams is the primary and um Don Willis is the alternate for the governing board and then I sit on the TAC as well as the vision zero task force um and Kyle is my alternate for both of those and we have there's also a kind of a third body that works in in conjunction with the other two there are um CAC our citizens advisory committee and who sits on that uh Arin is our representative for that I do not believe we have an alternative or alternate rather it's it's a very complicated process and it's a lengthy process and you have to be very involved and very engaged throughout to Shepherd your project through a through a long-term process like this because these dollars are hard fought for and you have other cities in Bard County who are much larger and potenti have more political clout than cape canabal has and therefore they have more representation on the TPO board which ultimately makes the decisions on how on who gets funded for example I believe all five of the County Commissioners are on the TPO board so there's five votes right there and we have one vote between ourselves and Coco beach so just to give you a little sense of the the Dynamics that are at play with these dollars um it's a it's it's a Lexi and Dawn they they've they should be commended because it's a to get this kind of money out of that process is it's significant for Cape canav really is and just to kind of draw attention to the atalis siiz lines so under Space Coast TPO list of project priorities you'll notice that it says regionally significant rank 2A and rank four um so the rank 2A uh for the for a long time the intersection realignment uh was 2A and the corridor improvements were 2B on that list and we tried to carry them hand inand as they as they and this gets revaluated every year so every year we have to basically go back to bat for these projects um so we're getting really good at it is what I'm saying um we're getting a lot of practice recently however there was a project um that was essentially a little bit of scope was added to the intersection realignment project to include some more access across A1A um which I can get into in our next slide a little bit um as well as a project from um Palm Bay that bumped it bumped our the second part the corridor improvements down to rank four so still very high ranking basically still in the top five um but it is it is a competitive ranking you know there's only so much money in the pot um and actually could you go back one more I'm so sorry there's only so much money in the pot especially you know and now dollars aren't going as far as they used to because of inflation um and that also adds uncertainty to timelines to scheduling to to all of the other things that kind of come along with with these types of projects um so that's just calling out that you know they are high highly ranked I want to say that there's like 20 plus projects on the regionally significant list and that might be an underestimate um but it's it's all the way from um widening Ellis Road to uh building a new Transportation like Center to um even improvements to causeways like it's it's a highly highly competitive um portion of the list of priority project there's a few different categories in that list regionally significant is one of them there's planning studies there's bike ped um there's Transit so there's there's kind of a lot of moving parts to it and TPO finds a really good a really good way to to work with us to make sure that we always stay kind of at the top of the list um because we are you know we're at the end of the beach line it we had a lot of people coming through here so it's not just residents it's also visitors it's also cargo it's also business so we're we're we want to make it a good space for everybody um and this is a big part of it so Patty if you can go to the next slide uh these are just kind of projects that are not yet programmed but are are in some sort of kind of in the works all the way from conceptual to um a little bit less conceptual is kind of the best way to put it like an idea of an idea versus you know something that might be ready to have a plan soon so the first one is uh the resurfacing from State Road 520 to George King Boulevard again these are fdot project so it's part of their programming um initially this was called what was a 3r scope a smart scope they were supposed to be resurfacing restoration and Rehabilitation so there was going to be a little bit more in this it was going to include striping maybe widening sidewalks curbing gutter uh access access management so it wasn't just going to be pure resurfacing again with the type of inflation we had recently F to scale that back so now it's just referred to as resurfacing um despite that we are still pushing fdot to do more than just resurface at least in our our neck of the woods uh we feel that there are some opportunities that would be very remiss to lose if they did not kind of work with us on it um some of which includes additional striping drainage and um pedestrian access across A1A um but again these are kind of this is just kind of an update of where we are in the process we actually had a meeting with fdot last week to specifically talk about um Cape Canaveral we were supposed to have a regional meeting so including Coco Beach Bard County uh the port and ourselves and they reached out and said you know we know you guys have a lot more plates spinning so why don't we have a separate meeting with you all and we said absolutely um so right now the design for that is in this upcoming fiscal year with construction slated for 2027 um we are putting together as much as we can to try and get some of those other improvements that are not just resurfacing for that project with them additionally currently in the list of priority projects we are uh wanting to do a feasibility study in a complete Street for 520 to International Drive um with Transportation it's a system right it's not you can't just kind of look at one teeny tiny part and say okay we fixed it you have to look at it a little bit more systemically so working with TPO what we'd really like to see is some some planning and feasibility studies to incorporate complete Street um elements on A1A from 520 through International Drive uh so again that would be a multi-jurisdictional um effort not just TPO but Coco Beach the county and ourselves included and we're hoping to get about $500,000 program Med for that whole thing that would be done by a consultant with TPO and then us as stakeholders additionally we did request a pedestrian safety study to be completed on A1A from Tyler to Taylor there had been a number of concerns reported by residents um as well as unfortunately somebody who was struck in that area and passed away um regarding safety lighting signage you know what can we do to at least get some interm measures out there uh so they did a safety study and they're actually looking to um do a to reach out for public um public Outreach soon and again this is an fdot project so they're just kind of they contacted the city and asked about space uh available dates um and they have a concept kind of in mind that they want to propose for interim measures uh and then that kind of leads into what the city would like to do and we've mentioned this staff do again kind of long range planning uh for a pedestrian hybrid Beacon midblock Crossing uh this is a highly conceptual it's really just kind of been a conversation we've had with them um you know there are some other plans for the presidential streets there's a lot of destination I should say pedestrian destinations on this side of A1A between City Hall bcsl the library um the cape Center you know Nancy Hanson the dog park there's there's lots of things on in this immediate area that we feel uh add access for pedestrians and bicyclists would would benefit the community uh but this is again something that we've just kind of put in front of fdot and said we're interested in this we're going to push for it um TPO is going to work with us on it we're looking for grants for it but it these things take a little bit more time um so that's that's more of a forever permanent access um treatment or or project whereas number three those interim safety treatments are kind of a let's get something out there let's make it a little bit safer for now what can we get out there quicker you know rather than going through a a large bureaucratic process um in the time being you know what can be put out there that is effective before we while we also work on a long-term solution um so those are the plates spinning on A1A in Cape Canaveral I know it's kind of a lot of information so there's any questions I'd be happy to take them um if not you know always feel free to reach out to to me via email or give me a call questions anyone yeah thank you very much for the it's a lot but and great job on number 2 a and four for that yeah we're going to have to go to bat I'm going to see if we can bump four up to three but right now it's just in the draft it's in the Draft list so I'm G to maybe have some healthy debate and it'll be it'll be fine all right thank you very much I appreciate the effort um and the information and I also part of the reason we asked for that update was so that we had an understanding of the bigger picture of what's happening with the major thoroughfare going through our community um and I think it's critical that we understand that from a big picture because that affects every bit of business and Resident as you go through throughout the the city all right so the next item on our agenda is to discuss the recommendations to the CR uh CRA board re um fiscal year 20242 CRA budget and I believe uh everyone had some information in their agenda packets regarding that and does staff want to discuss that with us further in there yeah I I won't be as eloquent and lengthy as and those are compliments believe me um but I would like to go through those uh through the agenda cover and then some additional information that we've prepared for the board um and and I won't go for btim and read read these agenda covers but essentially um the um CRA board has requested that the um bed board business and economic development board help them and advise them on how to prioritize uh CRA funding and CRA expenditures um and this was actually done through an ordinance earlier this year um the attachment one to this agenda cover is actual ordinance 03 2023 so if any of the board members wanted to really dig into it and see exactly what that said um but could we go on to the next um well let's just stay here just for a second uh I I think the paragraphs one and two provide recommendations to the CRA related to modifying the community redevelopment plan and so that'll be something that'll probably be coming back to this board in the future um there there has some been there has been some discussion about amending the CRA plan I know we've talked also about amending the economic development action plan um so those are those are going to be tasks that I'm I'm I believe the the bed board will be be asked to be very involved in and number two perform such other duties and responsibilities so we all are amiliar with that language um on job descriptions and other things um but what we're doing now is as as as the bed board members know each year the city prepares its its upcoming fiscal year budget and we started about a month ago and we're really starting to get into the upswing of it now um and therefore uh about a month ago the C board when they met they meet several times a year and they met in March on March 19th you can see from the agenda cover and they specifically asked the bedboard to get involved and and to make some recommendations on how these CRA dollars could be spent and it's not just this year's CRA dollars the CRA we have a life expectancy till 2040 so we have approximately 16 more years and so and that's an important kind of concept to keep in mind because we're going to be talking a little bit here about what options we have with with this anticipated CRA Revenue that's only going to be growing throughout the next 16 years um so what I've done is I've included as another attachment can we go um can we add a um forward the presentation one screen please okay um you can see that how about how about one more Patty okay I wanted to drill down in this item a little bit if you go all the way down to the bottom of this page um this was the minutes whoops there we go um this is the and I want to make make note that these are draft minutes they have not gone back to the CRA board for final action um but this is these are draft minutes our city city um um the CRA secretary has taken and if you go down to paragraph two all the way at the bottom and that highlighted that bolded language that's really what I want to point out this is the CRA board acting here a motion was made by board member Willis seconded by board member Davis to request the bedboard provide recommendations on prioritized use of available funds for redevelopment activity in the fiscal year 2425 and future as stated by CRA registered agent Morley okay so I I I thought that was important to read into the record here for the board this evening because that's that's that's exactly what was requested by the CRA board for the bed board to to to address can we move on forward okay now we're going to get into I've got a few screens here that actually this is a proposed CRA budget for the fiscal year 2425 this will take effect in October 1st um we're currently still working through the fiscal year 23 24 City budgets run from October 1 to September 30 um so we're still in the 2324 fiscal year we'll be starting the 2425 on October 1st so in a few more months so you can see from the this draft budget um that that has been prepared I'm going to go through this pretty quickly and just hit some of the highlights um the Professional Services and we've got about a 2.7 million doll CRA budget right now um but so I'm just going to hit some of the highlights right now we've got some um if you look down into the Professional Services line item we've got planning and design for a force main extension um and that is going to be up on the Northern end of the city um we're going to try to continue running our sanitary sewer forc man um up into the northern part of the city because currently there is no sewer oh well there's not it's underserved by uh Wastewater Services City Wastewater service we do still have some interest in developing up there um from private property owners and right now they cannot because there's not sewer up in that area um so that would be along North Atlantic uh this will be along astronaut yep y right now the sanitary sewer Force main ends at I call it the Dual brand hotel if you know where the Homewood Suite is really the northernmost hotel in the city the sanitary sewer Force mate ends about there um in relation to some addition there's some additional Parcels to the north of that that currently are well one of them is on septic that's one of the one of the only two pieces of property on septic is that um little carpet uh carpet building there in the city on the on the right on the right as you're moving out and then we have another small one but so we're going to try to get sewer up in there this this next fiscal year um and that's AO and again this is just the design work on the um on that all of that property in that part of the city is either zoned commercial or industrial so yes it would be for for the commercial and industrial expansion of the tax base yes um and next screen please oh let's what can we go scoot back one more I forgot to hit the splash pad um no the one that we were just on right there um you'll see $51,000 in splash pad maint from Splash Pad maintenance coordinator what that is is we have if if you have children you probably are familiar with this we have a new splash splash pad at the C5 in the city um and there is a a it's a expensive piece of infrastructure to keep clean and keep running and so there's been some money set aside in the CRA to help fund that okay now we can move on um the presidential streets I believe all of you we've we've talked about the presidential streets streets project uh this year in 23 24 we have $300,000 in our CRA budget to help fund some engineering and design work in 2425 this is probably the largest expenditure we have in the next year's CRA budget and this is for actually going in and starting to construct the presidential streets um and as a matter of fact next Tuesday night uh kimley horn who is the uh consulting firm who's been doing a lot of work on that is going to be making a presentation to the city council um about a number of things and one of them is they're going to be recommending uh the First Street uh that um the presidential streets will kind of kick off with the Reconstruction of that you say construction can you like is it it's what construction means both above ground and below ground um storm water pardon storm water and yes exactly uh we have Curbing and sidewalks and the whole kitten Kaboodle whole kitten Kaboodle um we've got a lot of dated infrastructure in this area as as you all know this is some of the oldest parts of the city um and we've got a lot of um clay pipes and just some stuff that really needs to get replaced so um one yes is that going to cover an area that's not in the SI that's a good question um yeah the concept is is to run the presidential street from where it begins on North Atlantic all the way to the beach end well the CRA ends generally at Ridgewood so there's going to be a small portion outside of the CRA um really that easternmost eastern most tip of each one of the presidential streets um we'll be looking for addition for other funding sources for those um we'll be looking looking at City storm water fees um we'll be looking at general fund uh just general tax revenue that we get um there's also a number of grants that we're going to be pursuing um so yes that's a good question and it's a it's something we're dealing with um but yes to get um it's going to be both above ground and below ground we're going to we're going to look at uh putting in new base new streets um we're going to be looking at water sewer lines where we're coordinating with the city of Coco they actually want to come in and redo a lot of their lines as we have the roads torn up um and so once we start reconstructing it we're going to be reconstructing um complete streets basically so what you've seen what you see on North Atlantic uh will kind of give you a sense of what you may see on the presidential streets we haven't got to that point yet of actual nailing down a design but the desire is and there there's a big push um for to to incorporate some green infrastructure into these projects and what I mean by that is um Concepts such as bios swes um permeable pavement things like this so we can really start getting our storm water and getting it into the ground rather than piping it all the way down and getting it and treating it down here on Center Street and then it goes out to the uh to the river we're going to try to capture the storm water where it falls and get it treated um below below the streets essentially uh so there may be an opportunity for some storm water vaults placement of storm water vaults under the streets or within the intersections so there's are a lot of really cool things that we're looking at frankly um and once we get a a nod from the Council on our on on a First Street uh we're going to uh move forward pretty quickly with that 1.7 cover one street for like that's a good question um the kimle horn has who's our city engineer who's working on this has indicated that a a street a full complete street from North Atlantic to the beach end will be and these are preliminary numbers so I don't want anybody holding holding you know saying this is what it's going to be um we still have a lot of work to do and really haven't got into any value engineering yet but it's going to be in the 1.6 to 1.8 maybe range a million how many presidential streets are they 16 I believe so we'll that's something we want to talk about with the board this evening is is or I want to talk about inflation that project alone is probably 10 years cres oh yeah and and but on the other on the other side of that coin we've got we do have a um one of the one of the slides I'm going to show you is what the CRA is doing as far as valuation since it's since its establishment in 2011 it's just been amazing the growth in the CRA and the revenue that it's generating so we anticipate with just even the the development that's that's on the books um and under construction we we anticipate the CRA valuation continuing to go go up and up up it's it's been a wonderful Financial tool for the a revenue source for the city um but yes inflation and those hotels generate a lot of tax well they are a big contributor so um so uh next screen please oh yeah Civic Hub that is another item that's going to be discussed at the city council meeting next Tuesday evening so if you are interested in that project I would highly recommend you come next Tuesday night um the concept is going to be discussed um both from a master the master plan is going to be presented which means what that's going to look like once it's developed um there is also hope to put a lot of storm water under the ground at the Civic Hub um yes I'm sorry I should have explained that and I do have let's flip through some slides okay yeah let's go through all these let's go through these yeah yeah yeah I thought I had a maybe it's in the okay well maybe it's in your agenda packet I thought it was in here anyways the Civic Hub is Lo yes it includes the tennis courts it includes the Nancy Hansen um recreational complex City Hall the plaza out here um it includes the um the r I'll call it the racketball courts um the police station is a pretty yeah shelf board yes thank you um it's a pretty large area um and it's really meant to um um create a sense of place um to really allow for a lot of recreational and and and Civic engagement opportunities um and that's what's driving the master plan but the other important thing that's driving the master plan is this whole idea of incorporating low impact development Concepts um and that'll be one of the there's going to be three pushes on Tuesday night that the council's going to be wrestling with one will be to approve the master plan which is being which has been worked on for quite a while um the other is the storm water concept of um um how and what type of storm water treatment is going to be um going to be accommodated there as well um so I would um if you're interested next Tuesday right here at six o'clock um and let's see okay so so to the if I can yep the board's request of the bed board can't really aine on use of funds unless you're looking at Alternatives seems like the budget and the priorities for the next year are baked it seems like that 1.6 million is a down payment on a rather large project that there's a strong need for and this board's not being presentative with any other Alternatives that they might upon on as a better use than what is listed in the budget so it's kind of a Mot Point that's a very good perspective because you look at it this way we'll just do an estimate here I'll be a little more aggressive with the numbers we're shown let's just say that the revenue for the for the tax increment funding between the city and what the county gives us is $3 million and 500k of one of these projects for the Civic Hub is arpa funding that's a good thing that's not part of the that's that that's not part of the budget that is money that's that's like free money of course that we've been given to the board may not all understand American Rescue plan when when um the federal government gave all this money to everybody like you know Candy sort to speak stemies yeah and we got 5.2 million here in the city now where's that 5.2 million going going well most of it's been obligated already uh mainly Wastewater storm water projects but um uh 500k of this money was for the storm water portion for the Civic Hub well that's a good thing because in the budget you'll see a transfer then there'll be the three million for the shared uh revenues for from the city City's taxes and what the county gives us and then another 500k for arpus that's about let's just say 3.5 million the uh council's looking at uh they'll have their second workshop and they're looking at a fiscal year 2425 uh CIP budget the projects at about 2.7 million now also in the CRA though the cra's got what we call Debt Service which means that which means that the CRA uh got the city got Capital notes like 10 years ago I'll just use one as an example 10 years ago $6.2 million and it qualifies for that Capital note through the general fund for sh pledged revenues so then what happens is there's a resolution done and an agreement between the general fund and the CRA so the money's loaned to the CRA and then the CRA pays it back over 10 years okay we just paid one off uh this year but we do have another one left the 6.2 million that was for the um C5 and the cape Center so the reason I bring it up is because you nailed it when you said well what are the Alternatives well if we go down the path we're going the money's all been asked for already it's all it's all represented unless something changes now um you know Dave's got a Dave's got a CIP in here for 1.6 million and you said well how much will a presidential Street cost and I did some math in on the cover sheet the just the budget year coming up there's 2.76 in revenue and 4.25 in expenditures projects there is a there is definitely and I'm being I'm I'm being a little bit more uh aggressive in the sense to say yeah if you've got 3.5 million in Revenue 2.6 for the projects that you're going to do an 800k that you're paying well that just leaves uh does that even leave $100,000 so yeah um but you know these are things that will be determined as far as the money being spent for the uh presidential Street well that that's an interesting thing because you know as Dave has to to go through this whole process we do not know what will what are what could be un involved in a presidential Street till we start doing it we don't know what's under the ground right we don't know the impact of what's going to have to be fixed replaced what have you so that's like uh but but this estimate of 1.6 1.8 you know um we're getting there from what our engine City Engine City Engineers so yeah I I would like I mean you're right Tom if you look at the of it it's like wow what are we being asked to do theot the money's all the money's all spoken for basically um you know an alternative would be uh for the CRA to bond that M that that future Revenue stream um let's say if we're getting 1.6 of of or let's just say $2 million a year and from our from our CRA Revenue you Bond 2 million of Revenue a 2 million doll Revenue stream in today's current dollars um you know I don't know I'm going to that's why we have folks like John to determine what you could what would be a reasonable amount you could bond that future Revenue stream for into and have a pool of money today let's just say it's $15 million you could put that $15 million to work today and pay that off over the next 10 years if it was a a 10year bond or something so that's something rather than just spend the 1.6 every year um kind of pay as you go plan essentially um so that's something that um I would like to hear some feedback on from the board if if if you think from a business standpoint that makes sense um or if it doesn't um I I've I've worked in communities where they've done exactly that and it uh it it you're you're able to lock in today prices um and at today's interest rates and and uh but anyways that that's an Al that's a alternative to uh just spending it as you go uh go ahead I have a question I think that's a great alternative so if you were to get like maybe $15 million Bond what would that be eight streets whatever whatever it would be half the streets so You' lack in the prices current prices so you wouldn't have all the interest and inflation that would go so then you'd still only have to pay without any interest back to the C right yeah and and well there's interest involved but in the last two Capital notes that the city has got we we've been done very well I mean 1.99% 1.99% that that's nothing for for 10 years and then we got 2.05 so the last time yeah right right so that's over time that that is a tremendous um it's it's like getting free money to to to do your thing but like Dave was saying you you get it now the longer you wait the more expensive it's going to be I'll give you an I'll give you an example this building was built for $5.1 million Coco Beach is building I I don't even know what the dimensions I don't know what the whole dimensions are or whatever but well Coco Beach's um city hall is going to cost 13 million I don't think it's going to be much bigger than this but I won't I don't quote me on that because I I I have looked at what exactly but still I mean I could tell you if Coco Beach was builing its City Hall back when we built ours I guarantee you it' be what would be nowhere near 13 million so they weighed it and what have you and I mean I'm just using Coco Beach is an example but what we did with this city hall for $5.1 million was absolutely phenomenal and the and the notes uh well the note just got paid off so if your projections from the C stay exactly where they are but they're not going to because you have more hotels and of course there's INF inflation so you're going to have more money coming in so you'd be able to pay off what's it called the note like it's it's how do you do that how do you the note well the note The Debt Service is part of the bu always to happen perf so it's you're going to just have to keep paying back over a 10 year period we try to get 10 year notes seems best and you just keep paying back x amount you know x amount every year till the notes satisfied so for 10 years like right now we're paying uh $680,000 on a note it's coming out the CRA okay so that's what we're doing right now and we have one two three four years left on that note yeah and it'll be paid off so you know going forward this and this is this is what you would consider this is good debt everybody people might think you know debts bad no debt could be good because it interest rates like this if you don't invest like this if you don't if you don't operate like this and you let these things go by people in this city be paying so much money for for um for uh growth and whatever instead of capturing you know seizing the moment so to speak so yeah but um but I don't I'll just say one more thing okay Tom I don't want to say that you know there's no Alternatives but if you really look at what the city wants to do in the next 10 years and if it has to do with presidential streets then between 1.6 and what inflation maybe 2 million dollars a street every year and that's going to come out of this pot of money so now you may have left and and and I mean if we don't get and if we don't get notes that affect this then after four years from now you might have $900,000 to play with it where we would ask you guys what do you guys want to do at $900,000 for the CRA so yeah this I'm going to I'm going to just introduce this SC this slide and I'll be quiet and get some finally get some feedback from you guys but um you can see we when we established this in 2012 that was what was called our base year this is how C works we established what it's called a base year and the valuation was approximately $230 million well those those um those tax revenues from the Bas here continue to be distributed to the city and the county uh the the the basee taxes go into the city's general fund and the basee taxes continue to go to Bard County however is the as you can see we've we've increased in valuation over $400 million in our CRA since uh in in approximately 10 years and that is that's what's funding our CRA um and we the CRA the city is able to take advantage of that so those taxes when they're applied to that 400 million um go into our CRA and also any increase in taxes the county continues to get there let's just say $230 million they continue to get taxes on that as this valuation goes up all those increased ta County taxes as well come back to the city so we're getting in Van we we're we're we're holding on to those counting tax increase in tax dollars that let's just say that $2 million that we're getting right now in tax revenue half of it is County taxes and half of it is city um so we've been very very we we established the CRA at a perfect time in 2012 and it's just gone up well you can see you graph speaks you can look our budget and you know it's online you go you go to page five and you could see in 2223 the gross taxable value was 1.7 billion here and then last year went to 1.9 billion 11.15% increase now what will it be this year well at the beginning of June the bravar property praisers office will send me that figure it's going to be an it'll be an estimate it's an estimate but it's usually relatively close to what the the final one they give me at the end of June about June 25th then they'll send the final one um so if that if that gross taxable value goes up let's just say for discussion purposes another %. Bingo that's going to generate more taxes and then that's going to also generate more money for the CRA and then the county is going to give us more money as long as it doesn't exceed as long as as long as our millage rate does not exceed their millage rate in other words if our millage rate is 4% and the county the county used to do this years ago too we had to pay money back and and and if the C if Cape Canal's millage is 4% and the couny is 5% they don't give us based on 5% they they take it down to whatever to whatever ours is yeah so anyways back to my my original question I I just was would like to get some thoughts from the from the board on specifically what are your thoughts on bonding do it immediately sorry I I I have a question just from my understanding before we agree how do how do we how does the city pay for that year after year I guess it doesn't it's not clear to me how you pay that back is that from the CRA funds okay you go to you go to a Bonding Company you show them what your historical collections are from a tax source and you present your projections they do their projections they haircut it for security um pretty beefy Bond document and then you're essentially pledging the income into the future for the money that they lend you today at a market interest rate on municipalities because these are tax funds and it's a secure source of income uh usually borrow considerably less than what commercial borrowers or individual borrowers bond from or borrow from so bonding CRA funds is quite common the city in Coco Beach has did it for their fire station their parking structure as well as their city hall and so you get to do today you know what you otherwise would have to pce meil if you don't bond no different than being a renter or a homeowner you know you're a homeowner you borrow you mortgage your house and you pay that house back in time over time with your money exact same concept and we've used the last three times we've used um and the process has worked really great for us a capital Improvement notes and basically then we go out and get 10 Banks whatever and you know whatever whoever gives us the best deal what have you best interest rate you know uh that's we have a whole process with professionals that work with me did uh financial advisor whatever and uh we go ahead and we solidify it like that and it's a whole process and it goes through Council and Council approves it and uh that's been funding our fire station our city hall our C5 our Cape Center but this time you're looking to bond instead of a capital Improvement um I no I I think Dave's mentioning the bonding but I think that's a discussion I I mean I think think we usually go down the road here of a capital Improvement note um we uh I'd have to I'd have to see if that's if that would be a better route to go down but I I I believe for Cape canaval if we needed to get5 million do or something and we can use a capital Improvement note you know maybe that's that's something we could do but but I do know what what you're talking about far but but since I've worked here the city never went after in the last 11 years they just went after you Capital Improvement notes and it's worked well for us but they haven't went after like municipal bonds or anything we stayed away from that that was um our prior city manager like the capital improv modes it worked very well for the city and now our current city manager might you know opt to do the same thing but we would do our research on that we do our homework to make sure that the city is getting the best bang for its buck and we're you know we're getting the funds from the best source so so Dave your question was whether or not we as a board felt that it was a reasonable thing to consider because we actually don't have the ability to say yes go do it or no don't go do it we just have to give our thoughts and recommendations as to whether or not we as a entity think it's a reasonable idea especially in reference to something like the presidential streets project you look at other road projects in this County right now that have exponentially um had cost increase over the last several years and I could understand your interest in getting this one all in one big project versus doing it piecing it out over the next 10 years so to speak that could be extremely expensive if you try to piece it out so that would be the that would be uh the decision to make on whether or not how much um you know yeah what kind of loans you want to get to fund this well well I I I I don't know if I can sit here and give you the specifics on the amount or how many streets but I'm just I'm just as as Madame chairman said I think the we're looking for some feedback on what the board thinks if that would be a a good idea to pursue or at least look into um I'm not you know we're not here this evening asking for specific recommendations or or and that could happen they would give you a plan prior like you could fight out happens like but you could but but no no oh you no that can happen no no that can happen right yeah and you got to remember if there's delays on streets there's delays on construction the time gets pushed out right costs could go up look what happened during Co during inflation oh no what you said is exactly correct to think that every one of these streets would cost $1.6 million Dave's just using that figure just just so the the board but um we don't we don't know five years from now what the price of anything will be I mean if somebody knows that then please before we go into these projects we generally get what's called an opin estimated opinion of probable cost from our from our city engineer so we have a general idea of of what a project like that would be cost I mean we don't know until it's bid out and the bids come back in and we award a bid um but we have a pretty good idea of what the cost is going to be and I'd be talking of my financial adviser that the city has a Financial Consultant to but I I I think though I'm going to try to reel it back in again I think I'm just really interested in what the board thinks about the the concept and and you know we'll work through a lot of these pitfalls as we as we move forward or potential pitfalls but just as a concept is that something can I be honest yes that's yes I tend to be honest you know this I do CRA board is the count Board of County or the city commission right same entity and if you're going to ask us individually whether or not we're comfortable with leverage everybody has their own Comfort level some people have to borrow a lot of money in what they do others don't uh some people have been through the borrowing process and have successfully or unsuccessfully paid off loans so it's like an opinion we can give you an opinion but what's it worth it's the city commission that needs to see first we need to see a lot more in you know what are you trying to use the money for how much is it going to cost what are the current interest rates for City bonds you know you run an amortization table and find the critical need and that you need to fund a day so if you come back with budget that shows a critical need these are things the city has to do and it makes sense to fund it today because you know projections are going to go in we know that they're going to go up but how many streets you going to do what are you going to use the money for that's something that I sitting on this board can evaluate and give you an opinion on if you just want to blanket Tom are you comfortable with leverage yeah I share with a lot of people leverages is probably not appropriate for a public meeting meeting but Leverage is like heroin a little bit a little bit is amazing too much will kill you so uh that's tuong and cheek uh uh yeah you know if you need to borrow money for critical projects go ahead and do it this is this is you know just a sort of rudimentary utilization of General funds or CRA funds going forward I will say that there's one bullet point cras can be taken away by the county commissioner they can't mess with your CRA if you're bonded so that's one one argument for bonding and there's a several County Commissioners that consistently are trying to disband all these C because of this Tiff financing I.E the city getting the County's share of these increase in taxes so they're not going to last and you can actually bond funds beyond the life of your uh of your projects as well that don't have to be 10 years so you know if you want an opinion and I don't think this I said on other boards where my opinion doesn't matter when it comes down to the elected officials making a decision but here I am uh yeah I'm comfortable with that if there's a critical need so if that is the question then I would say yeah it should be considered in order to solve the needs that we know that the city has okay thank you and I would say to that 16 there's 16 presidential streets to think that if you were to take on the 16 presidential streets and it took however many years I think it's safe to say that it would it would cost more than $25 million easily easily easily so so it's just how far does a city want to go does the city want to do a couple presidential streets in the next five years you know it's hard well I think you okay um I think one of the things and and that is clear is that as a group we seem relatively comfortable with the concepts in big broad strokes but as Tom eloquently put it it's way too big of a conversation to just make a decision based on warm fuzzy broad Strokes yes um and from a priority perspective as a business and economic development board I will say this when you ask about the the first point of the question was the priorities on the list from the CRA board there is very little on that list that is business focused almost the majority of everything on that list is resident focused when you think about it it's playgrounds it's Parks it's City Hub it's lights it's presidential streets which are all residential streets so from a business business perspective and if we are to advocate for the businesses within the community there's very little in that CRA conversation funding from a priority perspective to me that is highlighting how are we helping the businesses that are part of the C CRA District to improve their properties I know there's a sign Grant thing in there but there's no active projects on that list that are directly focused to address blight in those commercial properties that we all drive past um and that would be my concern if you want to ask about priorities that's something that's not addressed anywhere in there well I think addressing the streets and like re like you know revamping those would be kind of under blight don't you oh I'm not saying that's not I'm saying that that's a residential area right but I'm just saying the city in general needs yeah the city in general I'm all of those projects fall within yeah within the the justification of the CRA board absolutely all of them are areas that will improve the overall feel of the city absolutely but there are no projects on that list that are focused to address commercial properties specifically and if you think about what do you see when you drive through Cape Canaveral as a person who is not driving through the residential sections of Cape Canaveral and the impression we want to give to and that's part of the mission of this board is to talk about how do we do good economic development for this community you need to address parts of the there is a whole section of that community that you have not addressed in this yeah that's a great point commun for tourists the community for residents those are two different Community for everyone okay I agree totally I do too um do you think that that the commity the Civic is maybe being pried or not looked atly because I do think if there are enough pickle ball courts there is a way to bring in revenue for people to stay in hotels to come for tournaments and everything like that and so I mean I do think maybe the priorities need to be looked at and and I say that knowing that I I prefer tennis but I'd say that I'm putting it Forward okay well and for me it's it's the pick aall courts are great but if you if you you are trying to maintain your business and the property immediately next to you is boarded up which we have several properties on that are boarded up or not wellmaintained and you're trying to maintain your business in the in the district in the in the lot right next to it and there are and the city is putting nothing towards that in their CRA funds from a that's something people who are not residents see and get an impression about our city agreed I'd like to throw in one more one more thing here about the presidential streets and I don't know the answer to this question and I the experts Engineers whoever will have to tell the city council and staff whatever but I think a bigger concern and Dave correct me if I'm wrong from some of the conversation I've heard there's more of a concern of what's underneath the ground as opposed to what's above it because I don't know how old you know the storm water pipes are what I I don't know I I don't know exactly that but I think one of the big reasons why we were doing this was because there was a concern that that is something that will have to be addressed I mean in every city right at sometime I don't know when the last time no it's it's it's very old infrastructure and and and I don't know that but I just wanted to throw that out there to say that that would seem like that might be a priority with people those streets and maybe not sidewalks I don't know I mean I'm just right right not maybe not sidewalks so maybe the amount of money to get to get I'm going to get back to what um Don was just talking about I mean those are excellent points and I agree I mean we've talked about we've kicked around the idea of maybe coming up with a um assemblage program um in the city if the CRA run an assemblage program and buy some of these properties up demo or turn around and make them available to Developers ERS for specific projects so those are expensive programs um very expensive programs but to your point which is a good one um you're right but and that and that really ultimately comes down to the CRA board and what their priorities are and how they want to spend their their CRA dollars but uh and their request of us was what are our thoughts on their priorities I just sorry that that was where my one more comment is that I think a lot of these questions and priorities may start to come into Focus as we get into updating the economic development action plan um there is money in next year's uh CRA budget to fund that that Pro that that update um but I think these those are those are questions and those are issues that I I anticipate really digging into and when we update the uh EAP and I think that will that will help us answer a lot of questions and I do appreciate the CRA board putting those funds in the the budget for this year so that we can do that and have the proper support to do that I do appreciate that I think that is definitely a step in the right direction from an economic development perspective agreed yeah is there a is there a document or annual document that prioritizes Capital Improvement plans that the Ci's had on the books I remember I got involved at TH or West Central West Side of West Central because it was relevant to me and you know recognized when I kept going back year in and year out that it was always on the plan but unfunded uh what's the current status of that critical needs plan see you do it every year as part of your budget right yeah we do we prepare a 5-year CIP and those those those funds are prioritized based on need um and and you know critical the critical nature of what's of what what this specific CIP item is and how much money we have to spend um but ultimately there again I mean we we as a staff prepare the a proposed CIP budget um and we present that to the um to the council and they're the group that ultimately make those policy priority decisions um and it's but it's done on a you know kind of a yearly basis yeah and that's how this should work you list all your critical needs just like just like the TPO does theirs right and you rank them and then you try to fund design and construction for the highest ranked ones and maybe things Bubble Up Above other ones and they get moved from 2B to four right and and you figure out what you can use CRA funds for and what you can use General funds for and what you can pay with fees you push it Forward yep yeah we have a number of budget workshops that we've we've we just starting into that whole season right now and um um and these are discussions priorities what what the council wants what their priorities are and that that helps staff so with there was a there was a CIP strategic workshop and then Council looked at all of it now they want to have another one um I believe in the middle of May I don't think that's been finalized yet um and then the updates are here and this book what are your top five projects on that list and what are they are you talking about in the in the uh CRA well just no just give me the overall top projects in or out of the well the top projects that are being talked about are obviously the presidential Street the Civic Hub and then I'd have to go back through and the same ones that were on this memo at the beginning yeah the the the the two the two big ones for the CRA or uh the Civic uh presidential streets you we don't the Enterprise fund Wastewater storm water that's whole of the ball game yeah uh because you know those are storm water projects and Wastewater projects that need to be done and they're priorities but they're funded it's the Enterprise fund is like a company right you got user fees right people's utility bills whatever that funds uh all those projects and srf Loans you bring up a great point so the storm water funds in the the on the presidential streets the storm water component of the project is Right anticipated to be spent with storm water funds from fees or just from CRA funds that'll I I believe the answer I think what you're asking Tom is are we going to are we proposing to use stormw waterer funds to help fund the presidential streets projects the storm water portion of the improvements on the presidential stre as much as possible yes we would have to we would have to Tom we would have to because the there wouldn't be enough dollars there through the CRA but that's why you'll see if you look back in our budget it's determine on what the uh project is you'll see a transfer it says transfer from storm water and it's sitting in the revenue transfer from the general fund and it's sitting in that revenue for the for uh the SI but there's but there's a lot of there's a lot of uh projects but the two big ones in the CRA are those and I'm not getting into the Wastewater and storm water and then the uh and and that's another Revenue source that we're going to be looking at is the is the sanitary sewer fund to help pay for that portion of this presidential streets project keep it fair I just have a quick question before we move forward um our resident what's your first name again I'm sorry Sharon Shannon Shannon I I totally agree with what you're saying your concern with the hotels how many hotels do we have that are at the CRA I don't approximately 10 10 so we're we're making a lot of tax money off that correct it should go back into like I I know it's a distraction but it definitely should go back into our presidential street so that's one of the things where we're receiving all this money from all this income from different businesses we definitely should put that back for a residence well that's what's happening yeah and I think we should do it fast l l so this increase here on this slide comes from two things the hotel no it comes from two things it comes from the general inflationary increase in property values and new permit construction and it's detailed it's B bifurcated so you increase a city's property values based on inflation assessed values and what they refer to as new construction permits which is new development we either take a empty parcel and build something on it now it's on the tax roles or you take something old that's fully depreciated because the property appraiser uses depreciated values so if you take a 19 50s building at 10,000 square ft and replace it with a 2024 building at 10,000 ft it's value at a much higher level and so that's how cities develop growth and through that visioning plan back in 2010 that I was participated closely in um the city council at that time uh which Jenna was on decided that they wanted to increase their tax base and they said we will allow more intense development along the A1A Corridor shouldn't really impact the residential streets which go from A1A for the most part to the to the ocean and they were right um the market dynamics were there with the growth of the port and which primarily drove that uh Hotel development and they allowed for 65 ft instead of 45 ft and lo and behold the plan worked and that is why you had the development of the residents and the country and then swetes Spring Hill the town place and U and all the rest of these because the city and their policies allowed for it and it coincided in a very nice way with um market dynamics demand for that construction and had it not been permitted had the other codes there was a limitation on units per acre that was changed and there was a limitation on height that was changed that with the growth of the port is what would what uh what got those um hotels built because private developers on private land build for the highest and best use of that Land Based on market dynamics um and I'll repeat and I'll repeat again that uh you know the city only through its code can restrict the city does not build you do not want City with taxpayer dollars building anything except for civic hubs and infrastructure and Sewer so you know I'm not going to get into this uh survey uh that we did but you know the conflicts abound we want more services but we want less people you know we want more income in our CRA but we want less people we want a small town feeli but we want you know we want development it's like the conflicts just like seep out of that report and the fact that there's like 100 respondents or 150 on most of the questions so you can't have your cake and eat it too if you want increase in tax base and if you want more services then you need Economic Development which is what we're supposed to be discussing on this board and uh epic Economic Development comes through incentives of what is allowed by the city that's really the only tool what the city has what do we allow private Enterprise to build the chair the chair call I don't we haven't you're our first public participant um yes ma'am the council at the time with a vision and I was on the business and economic development um board before I was on Council and we used to have a a facade program for example we did a surve all the businesses in the city you know to get their inputs to what they wanted to it's to your point Don and you remember this because your own building was going to be residential focused in terms of the build businesses that would be encouraged there was a facade program that we were going to get grants to help us with um I appreciate Tom's perspective but that you know the increase in height was because of the air conditioners you know we couldn't have air conditioners on the 40 and he remembers this I know he's smiling but that consideration of height was really because of the Year conditioning structure of new buildings but we never we had four hotels at the time they left your point shot and now we've got 10 and I don't how many your virging but that's what concerns me and that's the reason I wanted to come today to express this concern because I I think this big plan the CR plan your point on you know is there anything in it that's dealing with the businesses and there used to be out of this board and also this the visioning effort did consider A1A the facades the businesses that would be interviewed we'd find out what they wanted if we wanted to have like a theme you know a CE Co Coast or space be whatever maybe it was like this building whatever but we were going to try to have a vision that would be consistent along A1A so you wouldn't feel like you were passed through right now you go anywhere in the US right now and you'd see A1A in Cape canaval and we wanted to except for this building this area right in here here but it was really intended to be thoughtful and that was coming from residents they really did they had pictures they had photos of what they would like to see and that's what really I was coming a large part out of this board actually in the earlier years well absolutely um and I appreciate your um perspective in sharing that with us than you absolutely but I I also hear what Tom's saying about how the plans allowed for for the development to happen and the the I think but today's point and where we need to focus is we were charged by Council and the CRA board to give our thoughts on the priorities and I think we've we've made that pretty clear I want to be also respectful that we're pushing an hour and a half in a meeting um no M thank you Mr Roberts for your for the perspective um but I also want to say that you know the CRA board fundamentally makes these decisions and they ask for our recommendations on prioritization I think we've made and staff ask for our recommendations from a concept of bonding and I think as a group what I've heard and correct please speak up if anybody hears it is that we appreciate the use of bonding or other funding methods to use those CRA funds in a um more constructive and more impactful way um absolutely we've have a good track record as a city using funding sources and the CRA dollars that makes sense the priorities seem to be baked for this year um but the conversation about where do we go in the future and how do we how do we talk to the business community and the economic Community to make sure that we have good development in the CRA areas that are not residential um because that is critical to those because who wants to live in a neighborhood that doesn't have a nice area to drive through you may have great presidential streets that look fabulous but if a if the and yes A1A is a DOT road but all the businesses on the either side of A1A and Astronaut how do they look and what do they do and that's part of the C so that's I think something that we as a board need to also advocate for for in that conversation yeah I I I completely agree I'm going to I keep beating this drum but I really think a lot of these discussions are going to happen as we get into the update of the edep yeah and I think that will hopefully will be able to use a lot of those goals and priorities that come out of that in future budgetary Cycles agreed yeah um so I think that covers everything we had in our agenda for today I do want to thank whoever was the purveyor of our surfboard keyboards our surfboard key chains they I don't know who did that we don't we don't know appreciation din the board appreciation dinner that I was I was actually I had um I had people in town but that's very very kind thank you um um so I will entertain if there's no further business I will entertain a motion to uh adjourn what second all in favor I thank you everyone thank you