States of America stands one nation indivisible 
with liberty and justice for all thank you city clerk please call the 
role council member Davis here council   member Jackson here mayor protm Kellum here 
mayor Morrison here council member Willis   here Council thank you thank you all for being 
here mayor protim and all in attendance today   the public participation portion of the 
meeting if you intended to speak and from   the public or you're U online participating 
we ask that you please raise your hand we'll   recognize you treat anyone here who'd like 
to speak to please come forward um we do ask   that you fill out a card I do not have any 
this point if anyone like to speak please   raise your hand seeing none we'll go ahead 
and shift over online see if any hands are raised I don't see any hand rais online so with 
that we'll close public participation bring it   back to the items for discussion we have three 
today and one informational item number one and   items for discussion is to review vision statement 
mission statement and organizational values and   provide possible changes affirm or affirmation to 
City staff city manager if you'd like to kick us   off here we ready thank you I would um please 
thank and welcome everyone and thank you for   being here um so city council has for several 
years had uh annual strategic retreat planning   Retreat and was facilitated by the third party 
consultant um and the nice thing about a retreat   is it provides this opportunity for Council and 
staff to get together in this kind of informal   environment to talk about a lot of these important 
higher level things but also it's meant to inspire   discussion of maybe what are those things that we 
haven't talked about that we should talk about in   terms of how we want to prioritize our focus in 
our budget this is the first part of the budget   this is the first part step in our budget so um 
it's about fresh perspective during the retreat   Council and staff engag in open Communications 
share insights and viewpoints towards our shared   vision for the city uh structured yet relaxed 
environment strengthens bonds and teamwork among   Council staff in the community at the conclusion 
of this our goal is to have clearly identified   actionable steps to address challenges Implement 
strategies and Achieve Citywide objectives but   we're not going to be making decisions here at 
this Workshop we're going to be um developing our   thoughts thoughts that will go into the budget at 
the 2023 Retreat city council approved a follow-up   workshop and that was only to review CPS and 
at that Workshop the cips were reintroduced and   reviewed again and that was helpful for us last 
year so we're learning and um better ways to do   this every year Council feedback was provided for 
each item at that follow-up Retreat and each item   generally fell into one of three categories there 
was consensus for the item to be placed in the   budget may be tabled to the Future or just cancel 
it all together but then after that Workshop while   we're having our budget meeting city council 
elected not to have an annual strategic retreat   in 2024 as a cost cutting measure but instead 
only have a c only to have a CF Workshop which   is what this is so we can always go back in Future 
years and do a strategic planning Retreat if we   want to but if we like what we're doing here we 
can continue doing this so um accordingly this   is that Workshop we're going to f focus on some 
things that we did in the retreat vision mission   organizational values we're going to look at 
strategic pillars and we're going to look at   the CIP presentations this will not include a 
review of the consultant sourced insights into   the larger view of the state of the nation Trends 
and Municipal governance and the results of a   SWAT analysis so the first order of business is a 
review of our vision statement mission statement   organizational values and provide possible 
changes affirmation to staff um next slide please you have the uh we should be into 
the item three attachment Daniel if we could yeah um there you go yes next one vision 
statement it was last amended by City Council in   2023 by unanimous vote our mission statement and 
organizational values were established several   years ago and have undergone very few changes 
but our vision statement is our North Star it   motivates our team and it guides our city as 
it grows so that's our vision statement a warm   inclusive Beachside community that Embraces 
its small town feel and enhances the beauty   and integrity of its national natural environment 
promoting resilience safety sensible Mobility with   an emphasis on pedestrian needs business-friendly 
development and responsible Community stewardship   through a shared commitment to a balanced 
respectful and neighborly philosophy that   inspires Future Ready essential Civic services 
and quality of life amenities each of the words   in the vision statement were carefully chosen 
to defi to Define our trajectory it's where we   are acknowledging our most important assets our 
destination acknowledging our needs and desires   by what we choose to promote and how we plan to 
get there our commitment next slide please with   this in mind certain words have been bolded 
we call these our buckets meaning that as a   community we agree to the idea that the actions 
we propose which can be justified by one or more   of these words are likely appropriate actions 
but maybe more importantly actions we might   propose which cannot be justified by these words 
may be inappropriate next slide please the well   I should probably pause there are we good with 
the vision statement or do we want to possibly   amend any part of it mayor uh Council any 
comments on the vision I'm good with it I   right now I see no need to make any changes to 
it thank you mayor BR Tim council member Jackson   think I think it's it's good at this point I 
don't see any reason to change anything thank   you I'm good with it me as well I appreciate 
everyone's feedback I thank city manager thank   you okay next slide Daniel please mission 
statement the mission statement is why do   we exist it serves as a guiding Beacon Ser 
articulating our core reason for our local   government's existence the mission of the city 
Cape canabal government is to provide excellence   in Municipal Services by supporting a high quality 
of life fiscal responsibility and environmental   stewardship while celebrating diversity and 
fostering Innovation and should pause there   mayor and see if there's any desire to change our 
mission statement or affirm it Council change or affirm I would affirm also affirm affirm I 
affirmed too and my comments on vision and   Mission I think we can all see maybe little things 
but for now I think we move forward and this is   really our first year coming off of adopting this 
have we even been a full year under this newly it   was the I don't think the mission changed last 
year but the vision changed last year thank you   all right we'll record consensus there next 
slide actually there are four of these under   organizational values uh these shape our culture 
and different differentiate us as an employer   they provide guidance and help us attract and 
retain Talent our values should resonate with   our citizens and motivate our staff so the first 
is accountability we have a responsibility to   one another and the public to perform our jobs 
effectively transparently and efficiently and we   take that responsibly responsibility seriously 
civility we treat all persons with kindness   dignity and respect commitment to Excellence we 
believe our role is to make the city kit canaval   the ideal Community for our residents businesses 
and visitors communication we communicate openly   transparently clearly directly and in a timely 
manner with one another and the community   dedication we are dedicated to performing 
our duties to the best of our abilities and   going above and beyond to achieve high quality 
results diversity inclus inclusivity we believe   there is value in diversity and celebrate 
our uniqueness within the organization the   community and the world fiscal responsibility we 
are responsible stewards of the city's resources   through professional management and transparent 
Financial practices we acrew the highest benefit   from each tax dollar fun while we take our work 
seriously we cultivate an envirment that includes   humor friendship and camaraderie I think we had 
that at lunch today it was nice Innovation we   encourage thinking outside the box in search of 
new and better ways to provide quality services   to the community Integrity we strive to make 
decisions and take actions based upon what   is Right rather than what is expedient we are 
honest and we own up to our own mistakes internal   strength a reinvigorated corporate culture has 
inspired greater Unity among staff and increased   productivity proactivity we actively seek to 
identify and plan for issues before they arise   with the aim of averting problems rather than 
having to solve them after they Cur occur personal   Liberty we respect the balance of personal Liberty 
with the interests of all likewise we recognize   that by protecting home rule Authority we respect 
the Liberties of the city teamwork and recognition   of the worth of each individual and their 
contributions to our mission we value and honor   one another and are committed to a culture of 
teamwork across the municipal organization value   we commit to the development of collaborative 
trusting relationships with Community stakeholders   Vision we look toward the future generating 
goals and strategies to that make the city   kit canaval even better place to live and that 
was it for organizational values mayor there's   any comments change or affirm the comments are the 
all of these I think there's roughly 16 um could   be wrong on that but the uh they're all titled 
organizational values yes sir and I think the   agenda so there you know sometimes you'll see core 
values you know outlined or highlighted within the   organiz like these three are core values and then 
these are the organizational values but the ones   I think the agenda might have cut off at diversity 
and inclus yeah we did cover that one it well I I   think the agenda summary yeah it got cut off those 
aren't there there are no other values after that   but there are more and these aren't separated 
was that just I think that's the way it printed   the the paper copy stopped after diversity and 
inclusivity there's no more after that okay in the   paper copy but what you see on the screen is the 
the full one um what you saw on the screen before   was the full one okay so if you're looking at the 
screen there's the values in the agenda which goes   from accountability to diversity and then there 
they continue after that there are other ones   that city manager just went through do we want 
to amend or or affirm or or change any of these Council thank you I think the uh 
the words are good as they are I   think our actions need to uh step 
up and meet them as a whole thank you I don't think it's for today my comments would 
be that we do think about out of these values   which ones we hold the the closest describe which 
are sort of those values that we're not willing to   compromise on um I think you know vision is where 
where we're going as the agenda summary says talks   about the North Star mission is what we're going 
to do to to reach that place what things we're   going to execute on and values is really how we 
make decisions that we're filtering all all these   values through as many decisions as we can and I 
think those core ons are the ones that we should   try to identify maybe next year between now and 
then and and tag them as as core values that we   try to overc communicate um those are my comments 
so I don't think changes today are necessary   certainly willing um if needed but thank you can I 
ask a question yes council member Jackson on and I   see the vision mission and values and you look at 
a lot of this it seems like it pertains mostly to   City staff um is this for you know generally you 
know the values that we should be showing to the   public is this what we're anticipating you know as 
far as for our city staff because I'm knew this is   my first time to do this so I just want to make 
sure I understand some of these definitely look   like they would be more staff related versus you 
know what we're holding out to the community so   what was the thought process on this all three 
were developed by staff the vision the mission   and the values and they were presented um several 
years ago through the Strategic plan and Retreat   process but they're always presented to council 
to affirm or modify that when we finish with this   if we accept this airm this we all look to this 
document for our guidance as a staff so we're   taking that cue from council's affirmation of 
it or changing of it okay and see when I look   at it like that um just myself um a lot of these 
things we should be doing regardless I mean so   uh what do we want to hold out if we're holding 
this out to the public is our our organizational   values some of this almost relates to and it looks 
like it would relate internally mostly um you know   like the fun well you know the citizens really 
they want us to have fun events and that sort of   thing um and but that's really more of to me like 
a workplace environment type of thing that you're   looking for uh so I look at some of these and 
it just looks like we should there almost should   be separated out because it some of them look 
more uh human you know HR related versus what   we would look for in communicating to the the 
community as far as our values as a whole well   there there are organizational values the values 
held by the organization which is Council and staff yes when it says the wi the we is our 
Administration City staff directors and I   think Council M Jackson you're saying you know 
today we don't really have identified values for   we the people of Cape Canaveral well what we're 
projecting to them I mean when you look at this   and you look at an organizational chart and you 
look at who's doing what and that kind of thing   if we talk to our citizens do they really care if 
we have a fun work environment when they're having   problems with some issue with the city probably 
not right so then you look at in Innovation   absolutely that would be we want to be Innovative 
for our citizens we want to put that out for all   of us so some of these things look like they would 
be more HR related like uh do we really have to   say that we we need to include civility to our 
citizens of course we do you know that looks like   a more of a HR director to me versus a directive 
for us as a council to the community then same   thing with commitment to Excellence that would 
absolutely be one to the community communication   yes dedication yes diversity and inclusivity 
that looks more like a HR one to me physical   responsibility Community fun HR we want it to be a 
fun environment for our staff Innovation community   see so I'm having a hard time with this because 
or not having a hard time but I questioned this   because of that some of these are not necessarily 
applicable would they don't they seem more like to   me a staff Thing versus a citizen thing so I was 
trying to determine how does this apply that's why   I asked that question um Mr Mayor yes mayor Tim 
I think I think um what you were saying about um   deciding on core values as an organization would 
kind of address what uh council member uh Jackson   is saying you know there's some that are actual 
core values that we have as a council and our   and a responsibility to our um residents and then 
we have organizational values that are important   to the staff and so I think if we separated the 
core vales like you were saying Mr Mayor um and   then kept these in there but made made a list of 
five core values or three core values and then and   I agree because truly we're giving direction 
to staff and our citizens from this and these   are what we're saying our values are so we need 
to be clear and it that's a lot of value during   statements for staff to try to to to follow versus 
if it's in an HR format that is then something   between Todd and staff but as what we're putting 
out to our community right I think we need clear   and concise and this is a lot this is a saying 
we're going to do have a lot of core values well   I think like commitment to Excellence fin fiscal 
responsibility that's what's important to the   residents things like that and the other I say you 
fall into place to for an organizational value I   agree and and integrity that's a big that's a big 
one for me as a citizen I want I want to deal with   people with integrity at all government levels 
which we see in our world these days isn't always   the case so um I think looking at core values 
is a good thing we might as well have something   that we can hit for our citizens instead of such 
a broad group brush stroke that we could miss part   of it and then look at what we want to have for 
our staff's work environment so they enjoy their   job under HR types of policies thank you thank 
you council member Willis or Davis um I think   it's organizational values it's organization it's 
staff it's city council it's everything we do with   anyone I think they stand as a whole I think they 
need to be at such a high standard we can never   attain it we've got to keep striving for it so I 
don't want to water anything down I don't want to   separate anything out I want everybody to strive 
in how we deal with each other how we deal with   staff how we deal with the public and I think we 
need to keep it as is and push everyone to adhere   to it thank you council member Davis I have no 
problem keeping it the way it is I don't I agree   with council member Willis I don't see the need to 
separate it um I do agree we have to create St U   excuse me treat staff with respect and each other 
with respect on this dis so I am I'm good with the   way it is so I confirm thank you city manager I 
think we all went through anything you want to   speak to uh I'm trying to gather consensus here 
um and I I may be mistaken but it seems like um   there are two council members that are affirming 
as is and three council members asking for some   changes am I reading that correctly I think 
yes uh the the idea of uh potentially and I not   necessarily saying it needs to happen happen this 
year is we might want to move towards identifying   the values out of the I think it's over 15 that 
are core to to who we are and the and and so we   have core values and then you have those are the 
things that we possess today already and to be a   part of the administration to be a part of the 
council elected by the people we typically can   identify these exist today and the people and 
that's why we are who we are then there's as   council member Willis was talking more to what I 
call aspirational values so some of these such as   fun as council member Jackson is something we 
Aspire when appropriate when time to have fun   in all that we do and I remember being a part of 
these and so one thing is the we in here who is   that I do think that we is city council and City 
staff and a minimum should be because there should   be per good strong alignment between the values 
of the council and the values of the city staff   there should be strong aspirational values towards 
those and so my hope is that I think we're two one   or two years off of these we went from no values 
well we had values we just no I mean it like that   didn't have them [Laughter] documented no written 
values that were voted on uh in a meeting and so   I think that we went from a blank piece of paper 
to to having some standard that we all agree and   and I think this is the one where we could uh 
not necessarily take away but sort of group you   know the really important ones just change the 
GR yeah and and I think council member Jackson   put it in a way that I I think I understand best 
that there are some that are HR staff column and   some that are Community facing column um is it 
the desire of this Council to segregate those   out into two lists and we can present them in next 
year's document but present them as two different lists yeah I'm not sure that I think that the 
perception of if staff has a different set of   values than Council I think that's well it would 
to be in addition to but I the Council should   value that as well is my point is and and and 
so maybe when we when we tag it you know this   is I don't like the idea of saying these are 
necessarily just for City staff right um it's   it's a good high Lev discussion to have and maybe 
we could agree to um not make make a decision on   it this year but come back next year with some 
other ideas how we might amend this and um one   thing just off of that statement what you were 
saying with you know our mission statement is   that we're going to take care of our community 
physical responsibility all those things and in   a as a city we are going to have accountability 
to our community we're going to have we're going   to treat everyone with civility you know we're 
going to have a commitment to Excellence to our   community we're going to try to openly communicate 
with you and have the dedication that you need and   we're going to be physically responsible and 
have integrity and in doing while we're doing   that we're going to try to work to be diverse 
and inclusive we're going to work to be fun a   fun environment for both staff and Council we're 
going to use our Innovative abilities to make   sure we're bringing things to you the way that we 
should we're going to have internal strength to   get those things done for you as a citizen you 
know that's kind of how it's look where it be   multi-layered versus stripping everything out 
or anything in the way that we communicate it   because I think they're all great you know being 
proactive we we support personal Liberty but I   think you have a core group that covers Assa 
and then um including our community and then   under that some of these are how we're going 
to do it what what traits we're going to use   to provide those things so maybe multi-layered 
versus two separate breakouts are we okay with   leaving it as is today I think obviously counc 
member Davis and Willis I think that's fine for   the sake of the bigger picture here I know 
we've a lot of things we need to get through   but thank you for letting us talk through that I 
think it'd be helpful if I also met with council   member Jackson to get more of her ideas maybe 
for next year we could put together an alternate   proposal that works for everybody that's fine 
happy now thank you thank you all thank you mayor um let's see um that's it for that one 
next slide uh we are on strategic pillars we're   moving on to the item number two in the agenda 
uh the Strategic pillars were introduced um by   Doug Thomas at our first um annual strategic 
Retreat which he uh helped us with a few years   ago and the idea of um having pillars are to uh 
form the foundation of our strategic plan each   pillar is reflective of themes identified in the 
vision statement and those that emerged in the 22   revisioning project um accordingly the all city 
project s and inies are assigned to a particular   pillar based upon the nature of the activity so if 
we could go to that Daniel back to that attachment yeah so the first one um I want to discuss is 
the um sense of place uh in sense of place we   pursue proactive measures to preserve and enhance 
the community's appearance as a distinctive small   town Coastal Community with open and natural 
environments green spaces Parks benches cultural   assets with distinctive and Progressive design 
design standards and appealing public spaces   for multigenerational recreation and Gathering so 
that's how things look how the community perceives   us the next pillar is economic vitality and 
development and in this one it's about enhancing   the appearance of the city's infrastructure 
and appearance to a stimulate investment and   employment in support of the local economy and 
provide fiscal stability Revenue diversification   to the City by encouraging Economic Development 
Redevelopment initiatives to address the needs   of residents and visitors who are drawn to the 
community the uh next one is the um we get we   went to a different slide so we're going out of 
order now um can go back to where you were first   one there you go oh there you go U multimodal 
that's um encouraging uh opportunities to   implement improve safe and attractive modes 
of transportation systems accessible by all   generations and physical abilities to connect 
neighborhoods public facilities recreational   areas and Commercial centers throughout the 
community and what was the next one resiliency pillar and that one is lead by example as 
a community that Embraces sustainability   and resiliency in the design and operation of 
its facilities infrastructure program Services   budgets and development through Forward Thinking 
policies ordinances education and then I believe   lastly is community engagement strengthen 
relationships trust and confidence in city   government through the proactive use of two-way 
Communications using face to face surveys and   Technology to encourage the Civic engagement 
and participation of our residents businesses   Community Based organizations and visitors and 
those are our five pillars mayor um so what we've   done is um grouped all of the cips that you're 
going to be seeing in the item three under one or   more of the Strategic pillars and that's just an 
overview of those pillars I don't know if there's   any questions or comments mayor if there's 
not we can move on Council any questions or comments okay thank you moving on to item 
three this is uh the meet of the workshop   CIP is a capital Improvement program um and 
we're going to do the the presentations of   projects programs and initiatives and updates 
each year um these are programmed into the   budget now your departments have carefully 
assessed their needs Community needs and   desires and also city council may have items to 
bring to this Workshop the Blue Sky items um we   did uh send an email out to council a couple 
weeks ago about if you have any of those blue   sky ideas you want to present into this uh slide 
presentation please do it but we didn't receive   any um that doesn't mean you can't present them 
here live there will be a time for that so what   we'll do is just go through May if it's okay 
we'll go through the slides first and then we   can talk about each one and then when we're done 
talking about them we can get into the Blue Sky   the ideas that the city council may have but 
thank you very much and before we do that I   want to recognize I do have a p uh speaker card 
from Dr Shannon Roberts um it would it be your   desire we did close the public participation 
to speak now I see that you wrote it was on   the vision item number one before would you like 
to come forward now and speak this is a workshop   so yes come come forward and take your time 
thank you Council we're okay with that thank you iiz for being late and thank you for the 
opportunity now I did want to thank you all   for doing this because it is follow on to last 
year one of the concerns I've got um that you   look at the vision and you look at the key words 
in there that's what we usually professionally   trained to do and that's what concerns me about 
the vision statement I know that right now is   not the time to picking along that line but I do 
think that it compels me to write something up   to counsel and to staff as it relates to some of 
the concerns I've got one of missing words from   my perspective is residential we talk about uh in 
this case you know business primly I think we need   to also talk about residential friendly too I'm 
very concerned I talked to staff about the fact   that we keep having the liberation of hotels and 
it makes me wonder if we're being business driven   as a vision and the mission for the city or the 
residential driven needs of our community are   being considered I agree with um Council concern 
the cor values when I read that strategically   you know you're looking at the city as a whole 
what are our values for the city as a whole you   can do an internal strategic document which the 
council the staff could do but I see this as not   being Community Driven Community written for the 
community in that broader sense of the word so I   just wanted to mention that uh suggestions are 
to maybe s think about adding maybe an advisory   committee called the residential development like 
we have a business development advisory committee   I just think the residents getting lost in this 
and um you know I made the observations to sever   of the council members in a separate Forum that 
even the cape Center you know I just concerned   that we're not thinking about the residents 
when we talk about that being a destination for   our residents visitors and so forth because in my 
opinion it was so dir of cake canaval driven items   in there something that walk the community Through 
It like that so my suggestion accessibility is   another issue I would have thought that we'd 
have an accessible Cape Center just from the   GetGo you know that that it's not accessible for 
for those that are Mobility device driven so I'm   just using if you don't mind I just mentioned 
that as a separate resident I'll write some of   my observations that'll be cons just as a resident 
to the council and staff in terms of my concerns   about the way in which this is organized and 
communicated to the community because with   council member Jackson that I just didn't look 
at it as a city driven document um and also I   looked for measure metrics measurable when I look 
at warm we talking about the temperature you know   things like that I'm just using that when I look 
at each word and I didn't see residential in there   to me that would have been a a keyword right up 
front and instead we're talking about business   so to me that's conting a different message than I 
think was intended and so forth so just I'm sorry   for I was late thank you for your understanding 
and I'll write up a separate document one of my   observations instead of taking the time thank you 
thank you and I know you're saying just a resident   but U thank you for your service uh on the city 
council and um it's valued to me at least to have   former council members helping contribute who's 
been down the way and you've always continued to   do that so um thank you again for your comments 
City I believe that was all I had if anyone else   intended to speak since we did open it up I will 
say if anyone online would like to speak before   we get into the capital Improvement Projects 
please go ahead and open or raise your hand and   I'll make sure to recognize you okay seeing none 
we'll go ahead and close it and bring it back to   our city manager Council are we good to move 
forward as you request thank you uh and I did   receive a text from a member of the community 
right now he says he's on the CIP meeting he   has no sound and no sound using the phone call 
and number two so I sent a message to our it   manager to get out to work on that um moving on 
um so each year um departments carefully assess   and and present uh as in previous years we will 
proceed with presenting items in this order first   as an update on completed projects programs and 
initiatives then we'll do an update on ongoing   projects programs initiatives it we'll talk about 
new staff proposed projects programs initiatives   for Council consideration and then of course new 
city council member proposed projects and then   open discussion uh and next steps so we're going 
to start that with completed projects next slide   these are from the 2324 current budget so what we 
finished is the bike lane striping the sidewalk   completion project in the non-presidential 
streets storm water infrastructure GIS mapping   and inspection uh water recomendation facility 
with supervisory control and data acquisition   system in the uh Community Economic Development we 
have completed the C5 resiliency upgrades in parka   we've completed the canaval city park Little 
League field lights and the cape Center Grand   Opening recently in public works we con completed 
the canaval city park Hardware upgrades next slide   please these are the soon Tobe completed project 
products or projects we didn't include um updates   on them because they're just wrapping up very 
any any day or week now uh Center Street drainage   basin improvements Center Street Pump Station 
Veterans Park biosil and raid Garden Veterans   Memorial Park under capital projects and in Parker 
we've got the Civic Hub Phase 2 we've got manity   Trail repairs and upkeep and Public Works Services 
the clarifier rehab and lift station number five   all those are wrapping up and will be done before 
we get out of this fiscal year so uh that's what's   going on and what's been finished so now we have 
the new items and we're going to start with Chief   Sergeant just because he can get called out in 
a moment notice we wanted to put him first and   Dave's got a couple items to present if we can go 
to the next slide while Chief Sergeant's coming up thank you welcome Chief Sergeant thank you what you have in of you for the next five 
years on our staff vehicle replacements we keep   our staff vehicles for a minimum of 13 years each 
and we rotate them through because of mileage and   switch them out with different people staff 
Vehicles also include the uh Battalion Chief's   vehicle that you see going with trucks most 
of the time and any other vehicles vehicle we   use to transport the beach wheelchair and 
stuff like that so we keep those for 13 years the next slide is the replacement of the uh the trucks the 
Pumpers Pumpers are replaced on a 20year   rotation we keep them for a minimum of 20 years 
and the ladder truck is replaced every 10 years   the ladder truck that we replaced or we bought 
last year that we won't see for about another   three years um that was bought with uh 1.2 
million uh from the state half from the port   and half from the city the additional 400,000 
approximately each and that truck U you did   not have to pay anything for the truck prior 
to that because we got that on the Department   of Homeland Security grate so uh all of these 
trucks uh we reach out to try and get grant   money for uh and they're not getting any cheaper 
and they're not coming any quicker so if we're   ordering a truck because it's 18 years old 
it's because we're waiting years for it to be built are the only two things city manager asked 
me to present and um you see the uh the Pumpers   one is in proposed for fiscal year 2425 and the 
second one is in 28 29 and I'm assuming they're   similar Vehicles it's just inflation we're 
acknowledging there with the price difference   right Dave yeah in the one in 24 25 we pushed 
that out from last year we lad truck right and   so we do right now we have two trucks on order 
one's replacing a 32y old truck and I'm sorry   30y old truck and the other one is replacing 
the ladder truck that will be 12 years old when   we finally get the new one in any questions for 
chief Sergeant mayor I do not uh thank you very   much and I appreciate when I read this CIP 
it says 2005 P Quantum that's the existing   today and that's what you're referring to as the 
30y year that's the 20 yes thank you and we're   ordering it in 24 25 we'll see that probably 28 
and of course as Chief Sergeant always says the   port pays for half of these things the city pays 
for half because we both use them and mayor to go   just a little further I want to thank Chief 
Sergeant because these are Big Ticket items   and the chief goes out there gets these grants 
and in addition like last year you know might   have cost us can't remember the exact number 400 
and some thousand when in the end it only cost   us 300 and some thousand uh because the chief 
was able to get out and get us money from other   entities so that saved the city a lot of money I 
I have to give that credit to the court the court   went after that 1.2 got for that's great Council 
any other go ahead Chief that's it any questions I just want to clarify so we said we were we 
would look at ordering it in 2025 and then you   would see it delivered when 2028 okay hopefully 
before that right now it's three years out okay yes the part of the city that's Avon 
by the city is County that's right do they   participate in the purchase of these prop 
uh prop you know they provide our dispatch   901 services for us oh okay we do not want 
to get into that business thank you I one   Clarity so just to make sure I understand the 
450,000 in the the CIP item that expenditure is   projected to come out in this next budget 
24 25 fiscal year but we will not receive   that inventory until a few years later for the 
replacement pumper we typically get a discount   by prepaying for it that way quite a bit of a 
discount if we prepay when when would a couple   years later though you said we would receive 
it so and then the one that's slotted for 2829   the 500,000 that one will be a couple years 
out as well when we actually receive the we   hope it goes back preco because we only waited 
eight months prior to co for fire be built okay so supply chain Dynamics call it what you 
want yeah it's probably some hot topics uh   well thank you council member Willis or Davis 
anything for chief Sergeant or no just thank   you yes thank you sir appreciate all you all 
do thank you Chief Sergeant uh we're moving   on then mayor uh next is capital projects um 
Tim Carlile can be on the hot seat for this   one and Tim's going to start uh by talking 
about Oak Lane improvements which have been   kind of pushed back um a familiar story 
is we're waiting for utility pole work to happen is this the yeah yours isn't 
so hot what John down you moving down take it away Tim O please can you hear 
me there we go yes sir I got those all right   so this uh this project was slated to be done 
last year this actually this fiscal year uh but   due to power pole removals and relocations it's 
been pushed another year um I have been informed   by FPL that the power poles are bare and they're 
ready to be removed I'm not sure how fast LPL is   going to get in there to remove those poles but 
the sooner the better and we can get started on   this project so they had to relocate the poll so 
they installed new poles to put the utilities on   the new poles now we're just waiting for the Old 
Poles to get removed that was to make way for the road do you said they have been removed they 
are still there the old ones are but they've   already transferred the old utilities to the new 
utility poles uh which is on the RightWay lines   um we're just waiting now for FPL to come remove 
the old poles that are now bare and in the entire   project um it started really I think because 
there were some storm water problems at the   Cantina restaurant up there and the frustration 
of the business owner of where can the storm   water go and there's really no place to put it 
unless it was conveyed to the Canaveral ditch   well the Canaveral ditch is behind the last east 
or Western most oaklane property but you can't   really put in a storm water conveyance system 
when you with gutters and curbs if you don't   have pavement so you have to put the pavement down 
so we had to build a road to have the storm water   system uh so that's kind of like how we got here 
um the residents of the the road were um and I'm   saying it's mostly for council member Jackson 
because she wasn't here when this was done um   mayor protm Kellum worked um very diligently 
behind the scenes on this one talking with   uh the the owners on the road who or the along 
the road who were originally were not in favor   of having it paved but um through talking with a 
meeting with them some public meetings I attended   some with her as well um she she brought a 
sense of keie to the whole thing where all   the neighbors said yeah we do want this but one 
thing they don't want is sidewalks they said we   do not want sidewalks so there's no sidewalks in 
this project they also said they wanted reclaimed   water so that's included in here as well Tim 
did I miss anything no the the plans uh the   plans are pretty much been finalized and the bid 
package is ready to go we're just waiting on the   pole removal before I go out to bid for this 
project so we're just ready to go but yeah is   the fpnl poll situation the same situation on 
Filmore is it the same people that remove that   poll I don't know I'm not sure it is FPL I mean 
is there a way that we could move it forward um   I can talk to Brian babcox and get with Dave 
Dicky I think Dave dicki is working on that   project um and Todd I can get with them to find 
out and Michelle mural with FPL she's also very   helpful okay she's the government Affairs 
Le is on now the original plan date is 2017 2018 yeah I agree yeah there was another delay 
also when um our city engineer retired and the   plans weren't fully finished we had to get 
them finished by the next city engineer yes so um that's the time frame for it um you 
see it's coming from um two two different um   cips um storm water infrastructure maintenance 
number seven um and both of those are the next   two slides Daniel if we go so this is storm water 
6 you see 300,000 coming out of the storm water   fund Enterprise fund and the other one Daniel 
i7 this is construction support 550,000 coming   from the general fund and it is budgeted it's 
it won't be finished this year is the thing so   it'll be rolling into next year that was one of my 
questions so any of these budgets this one having   started in 2017 or 2018 yeah we just keep rolling 
it to the next year until it's completed okay that   money is sitting in the budget this year won't be 
expended this year it's just going to move into   next year's budget thank you um another question 
I know we talked about this before but Oak Lane   is in the CRA um why couldn't we use funds from 
that to instead of taking the 550,000 from the   general fund John you have have your thoughts on 
C you contributing to this I know the CRA is going   to be um hit heavily with other items coming 
up that's this has figured out to be part of   the funding the funding is is there and like Todd 
says the CRA uh especially when the determination   is made with the presidential streets and whatever 
the CRA is is going to pretty much you know EV   the funds will be evaporated probably through the 
first presidential street so as we go for planning   on the uh in the CRA the $2.6 million maybe that 
might be available in the CRA this upcoming year   24 25 a lot of it could could be consumed within 
presidential streets depending on how far we get I   don't know how where the Design's going to be or 
whatever and there's other things happening the   CRA so the oak um oaklane not being included in 
the CRA was was done it was done in the general   fund because the CRA could not accommodate it 
based on what we had proposed there were other   projects in the CRA and that that's that's 
basically yeah it's basically it's basically   looked at the total funding and and that that was 
not doable right but this is my the same question   I've had for a couple years now I know we're 
getting old watching this project aren't we   right this is a project that started in 2017 2018 
okay now we're committing the CRA funds to the   presidential master plan which needs to happen 
absolutely but this has been trying to happen   since 2017 right but funding was never the issue 
funding was never the issue though in the general   fund for for Oak Lane it was never the issue 
there was plenty of money in general fund for   this and in storm water uh so it wasn't it wasn't 
because of the CRA I think it was because of a uh   well Todd could speak to this better than I could 
but a sequence of events of everything that was   happening on that road with the flooding and with 
the residents and the resistance the council ran   up against with the residents a few years ago so 
this is this is not this wasn't held up because of   funding with within the general fund uh or the 
storm water this has to do more with all those   other issues which is not for me to talk about 
for Council to talk about with the residents and   what have you so yeah it's been going a long time 
though you're right but it had nothing to do with   funding in the general fund or or storm water 
there were other issues that yeah well I think   residents it took a long time to convince them 
all to be on the same P exactly and that's why and   they've been there for a few years now yeah yeah 
and we're still working on it yeah okay but that's   it but I just I think it's it's important to not 
let Council know that this was not a funding issue   this was a the issue you just said these these 
are all proposed with certain funding sources   and and you don't have to make any decisions on 
any of these today we're just looking at all of   them so you have the totality of the picture and 
after today you'll have been exposed to all of   them and then you can start making those decisions 
about well I want to do this one I want to push   that one back I want to fund this one with that 
whatnot but uh great question well I just think   you know as a council we need to look at the 
project start dates on some so you know move   forward well and when you talk about that project 
start dates but also um just being a new council   member and feedback I from what I'm seeing we may 
need a regulatory person that follows up on these   things with FPL and the utility providers because 
we have two things that have been on a major hold   based on that so we need to keep a a handle on 
anything that is involving the utility and do   continued follow up with that and I don't know if 
it needs to be someone's responsibility that would   be something you had determined Todd but I know 
that uh the when you look at public um providers   of telecommunications internet and other utilities 
they have one group that is that deals with us and   the government to make sure things are happening 
for municipalities we may have to do the same   thing for utility yeah just the opposite direction 
because we seem to have some bottlenecks there if   I may uh council member Jackson um I have a slew 
of emails and communication between FPL and myself   uh that dates back about a year and a half and 
it's non-stop if you want me to provide those to   you I can well and I'm not I've been on them to 
get this done uh but not to fall into the rabbit   hole a little bit deeper but there was a lot of 
uh issues with this project uh to do with property   line movements uh it actually gotten taken to 
court um I mean there's is a lot of history down   the street um that I had to dig into when I took 
this project over so thank you and in no way do I   mean that you guys aren't following up I meaning 
anytime you're dealing with utility vendors you   have a whole new element of things to deal with 
and their internal groups are broken out to where   every group within that utility handles this much 
and then when you get past that the the roles and   responsibility for that much that I handle you now 
get to deal with 25 other people to get anything   done so it slows down tremendously and I know just 
from what you all have said there were things that   took a while for the residents to get on on board 
there you just mentioned a court case but then   when we get to the point where all of that has 
gone past if we're still having utility issues   sometimes it takes escalating on our side for us 
to reach out at a higher level to get anyone and   in the earlier days like Tim was alluding to 
there what he's talking about uh Mickey back   there was those multiple surveys they they got 
multiple entities you know get trying to get a   valid survey I don't get into all the specifics 
but that was a long road there but that didn't   really have anything to do with Paving the road 
that was a property it's still held it's still   held up it's still held up to work it's still 
held up to work because you couldn't get you   couldn't get a plan without a survey you have to 
have a survey a proper survey to get a plan and   that's what nobody could agree on was the survey 
so until that survey was adopted and and voted in   by the council and how long ago was that um 18 no 
was was well no there you go back to 17 18 18 19   I know when I started when I Dr question was it 
2019 yeah when I started on the council in 2019   I brought it to budget meeting that we wanted 
to do and the property thing was already done   okay and also I was given about a month ago Brian 
Babcock from FPL did tell me we expect it to take   six months to replace these polls it's taking 
them a month so they're actually five months   ahead of schedule which is I'm I'm I'm breathing 
Rel side relief yeah I'm like good we need to   get this going so okay thank you um if there's no 
other questions we can move on to thurm Boulevard improvements all right so thurm Boulevard 
uh is another um pretty big project that   that I'd like to take on um it has been in 
the works uh since 2021 um we were waiting   for some impact fees to come back from the 
county uh Dave Dicky and me went up to the   county and got um correct me if I'm wrong 
Dave $1.2 million I believe in Impact fees   and uh we're going to use this towards this 
project yeah that's on the not the next slide   but the following slide one more down there at 
the bottom impact fees $1.2 million those are   collected from hotels that we're getting back 
in our city to put towards this right so this   project um also was a uh a previous Engineers 
uh project uh planwise so I am now having to   submit the plans to a another engineer for 
them to take over the project uh they're in   Pro they're in they're reviewing what John parar 
had come up with um and they're going to give me   a price quote on how much it will take to 
finish up the the plans and everything um   but the projected cost um is still yet to be 
determined um due to a uh older uh Engineers   cost estimate um which was in this amount so 
I I think the price will probably end up going up from the 1.4 8 1.5 roughly uh the total 
of $2,800,000 and again I will go after any   grants that I can find for storm water and 
any Road Grants that I can possibly find um so will give me that figure again I'm sorry 
2 million yes $2,800,000 is everything okay oh   that okay I was just I didn't know what 
if you need some help the um the pro the   funding I guess so the two million dollars 
could go up and it says waiting on funding   from rard County impact fees do we know roughly 
how much that is going to be think right now we   have 800,000 I believe I'll let I'll let 
John speak on that but we're supposed to   get another 4 we 800,000 I believe we got the 
400,000 already da it was that the one we got   last year we so we'll have 1.2 million when we do 
this project we do in Impact fees yes in Impact   feas yes we were awarded that back in August 
of uh last year probably earlier than that and yeah that are not part of this but in answer 
to your question Maria we we will be getting   $1.2 million imp towards this project but it 
will be imperative if if it could happen and   this that's what Tim's talking about working 
on is if we can get additional grants because   he's still pursuing getting his arms around 
the whole thing and as time goes on you know   the cost Rises and uh obviously the sooner we 
could get to this project the less that's GNA   cost but um if we delay a year or two years this 
project this project could be very expensive and   that was one question I had is what type of um 
formula do we use to determine the inflationary   rate if these are going into years away from when 
they're budgeted because there's no way with cost   of goods increases that have happened in the last 
few years that these projects can remain on with   on target with what we projecting if it's several 
years out so how are you figuring that how am I   figuring that that those things those things are 
unknown you you there isn't anybody in this room   that knows what's going to happen it's going 
to influence the cost just like we did with   the you know just like we did with the community 
center and the cape Center when we got a loan in   2017 didn't start doing anything to 2020 right 
and we get what we do we get a loan for 5.5 6   it was a 6.2 million I believe 6.2 million and 
then you know the cost of you know because it   took a couple years the ending cost was uh 7.9 
million for the both so yeah so K you asked me   an impossible question and uh well I wasn't sure 
because I know that with things that I've worked   with before they will use an inflationary rate 
that's a guideline that the government gives   out but the problem with that is is everyone 
based on who you talk to thinks inflation is   different so wasn't sure if there was a formula 
that we use because these go on this many years   are concerning no but staff tries to be as aggress 
as aggressive as it could in in uh closing the Gap   by getting grants and and things of that nature 
it's the only way you know um Dicky gets us the   uh impact fees to the hotels and what have you 
Tim works on the grants and then um when I look   at the residual I see you know what you know how 
we're fixed in storm water and uh things of that   nature and and then also you know arpa might help 
fund some of this okay we've we've basically mayor   we've basically obligated all but and and the 
projects for ARP are going to start I want to   bring that up because it's important but we've all 
been obligated about $400,000 in uh arpa money so   we'll probably we're going to definitely be having 
to use that money towards some of these projects   and this could possibly be one of them but it's a 
moving it's definitely a moving Target so therm's   going to be an interesting and uh major Venture so 
I'm sorry I have one more quick question so does   is this does this meeting is this the one that 
serves as identifying these things that are taking   longer where we might expect budget increases 
in the cost of the profit completion these cips   show what staff knows to be what the costs are at 
this time but then there's continuing work to be   done to see what we could do to close the gap but 
to also anticipate to do the leg work to see when   we go out to see who could do the work what the 
costs will be because the costs could be you know   significantly more at the time time when we go to 
execute this and God knows what the bids will be   right I mean everybody's like that's a thing you 
can't control with the people just bidding you   out bidding you out the butt honestly you know 
now I left myself a loophole on this project   knowing that it's probably going to be a two-year 
project uh if you read the description it does   say completed plans will include an engineer's 
opinion a probable cost of construction which   will be reflected updated for the fiscal year 
2526 CIP so if it is additional we will put   it in through the next fiscal year of what that 
addition would be and of course like always I'll   go after grants and everything that I can okay 
thank you so much I appreciate your educating me   on those and I wish we could rely on engineers's 
opinion and probable cost even Veterans Memorial   Park just shocked us now I just was curious if 
we kept up with that as a city on outstanding   projects and inflation doing periodic calculations 
on what we might expect on projects that are   pending but I mean that's certainly something 
I can do you know as we go through so but uh   this is something that we do want to see done um 
the thur boulevard would look like West Central   Boulevard looks like essentially um we know that 
people the residents are just going to love it   uh we still have plans for a our Council goal is 
to have a a lighted intersection where THM meets   with Astronaut Boulevard they're doing a lot of 
utility work out there right now um in preparation   for development there Dave are you allowed 
to say what supposed to come in there at the intersection a Starbucks is it planned for right 
there where they're doing all the utility work so   if we get a light right there and a Starbucks 
I mean thurm Boulevard just would be perfect   there'll be a light at West Central and then a 
light at yeah that's the ccil has already put that   in their resolution a couple times now and um TPO 
is well aware of that didn't we talk about a light   at Columbia I think we talked about a crosswalk 
there Don on TPO is that right yeah we did but um   they're putting a car wash in right right but uh 
fdot said the traffic didn't support a light there   so our our goal is a lighted intersection at thurm 
still and that'll help keep traffic slow on A1A um   if there's no yes ma'am I'm sorry I one question 
and the cliffnote version John Cliff Notes um that   one uh 1,200 in Impact fees how is that I mean 
how is it Des impact fees or impact fees how do   they designate it to one area I can help with that 
uh go ahead or Dave da could do that sure when I   can help with that so in this case these are from 
two Hotel projects when the hotel gets a building   permit um they have to pay the city certain 
impact fees sewer and um Wastewater yeah but   then there's the county also collects an impact 
free from those hotels for transportation it's   a it's an artifact from when the county had most 
of the roads in the cities but they they haven't   let go of their ability to collect those impact 
fees and it's not just our hotels it's anybody   that builds in the City of Cape canol has to 
pay the County transportation impact fees they   can spend those fees those impact fees anywhere 
in the district that they're generated So This   1.2 million could go anywhere in District Two 
commissioner Goods Goodson's District anywhere   but what John is saying is that Dave Dicky has 
gone to the county and said hey we want th those   two Hotel Transportation impact fees to come 
back to the city they say why we say because   we've got thurm Boulevard we want to do and 
it's going to cost 2 whatever million they say   okay that's a good idea you're generating them 
there we'll go ahead and give them back to you   for that and that's done through an interlocal 
agreement and then that and then that interlocal   agreement contains all those specifics to say 
that you know where the impact fees are coming   from and how we justify it with thurm to get 
those if we didn't have a project they would   have said we're going to keep it yeah okay thank 
you um moving on um next one is Canaveral drainage   basin improvements I know we we focus a lot 
of our efforts on the Center Street Basin and   we rightly are doing that but there are other 
basins that are in need of improvements U this   one has been pushed back um and we're still not 
ready to do it in this next fiscal year this is   actually going to be projected for the following 
fiscal year 25 26 Tim that pretty much sums it up this is this is for the uh North End section of 
the canal um over by Southgate mobile homes and   then onwards to the South up to uh uh Central 
West Central um this is just to get the water   to flow better in that area uh to get it out if 
we have heavy rains kind of like what we're doing   on Center Street right now uh we're just trying 
to move water a lot faster out to the uh out to   the Ender of Lagoon so um this was just a a 
project that me and Jeff had started on and   it was not a rush rush project uh so we I kind of 
this year just kind of pushed it another year out   just to give you guys a heads up hey look here's 
a project that we might be able to do next fiscal   year if you guys are on board um but that's with 
that being said that's pretty much it and why aren   we not doing it this year um there are a lot of 
projects going on um I I thought since um there   were so many that we had on our plate right now 
or that I had on my plate that I'd be able this   wasn't an emergency item and there no flooding 
or anything when it rains real when we get when   we get with those Gully washers sometimes the 
ones at the end of um uh what's that road gosh   um Anchorage yes they they have some flooding in 
the streets back there and and we help them out   as much as we can and we clear this for runoff as 
much as we can and they're very grateful for our   system but that's the one that's impacted the 
most and there's I think maybe 10 residential   units down there that are impacted by that as 
opposed to like Center Street uh Basin which   has so many other residents affected potentially 
by flooding have we done anything in that Lagoon   or whatever that is I've done a tremendous amount 
of work I had the north side totally cut back and   dredged um to expand you know the capacity of it 
to hold more water I don't think we've got any   Heavy Rain since I've did that uh we also went 
onto the south side of Central and dug that out   and Life Storage what's that that's behind Life 
Storage SpaceX that was recently done yeah but   closer to the central itself yeah we we um we had 
a contractor come in and normally that's an area   where it likes to build up sand and what it does 
is it takes up volume capacity that storm water   could could inhabit so uh we dug that out they 
took it hauled it off um and of course um I I   have cut a little bit more debris off the back 
of Life Storage and stuff just so we that was   going to be in my next uh phase of the canal 
because so far I've done North and then I've   maintained part of the South but my next main 
phase of the South is to go ahead and dredge   it all the way around the corner um to up to our 
our actual RightWay line but it hasn't been tested   yet no I'm excited because I you know we took a 
lot of we took a lot of uh sand out of there we   took a lot of debris and stuff and um in the 
long run I've I've seen it dramatically help   with flow you know and it getting it out a lot 
faster so the pump station you know they're going   to rerun I I believe tetr is doing the study 
and they're going to rerun their numbers after   they see some uh future flows uh we have a title 
gauge there too as well at that area on the head   wall um so we're going to run some more numbers 
to see what actually is needed um they kind of   gave us three scenarios of what we could do three 
projects but I wasn't comfortable with the amounts   they were saying and I said I think we can do 
this a lot cheaper and I think that you guys   need to run the numbers again so I'm looking 
out for the city and how much we pay on this so Council any other questions on this one 
thank you mayor um moving on to the next one   Mickey this is your neighborhood in Harbor 
Heights um there's a an old storm water pipe   that's been rusting for 60 years and it's the 
last thing to be replaced there Tim you want   to talk about that yeah that's uh pretty much I 
think all the pipes have been replaced in Harbor   Heights uh it's the one right on there on the 
corner as you can see where the car is all the   way out to the main um I'm not sure exactly 
the size I should have put the size on here   uh but that that last uh corrugated aluminum 
pipe probably needs to be changed out to a concrete and that should finish up Harbor Heights yeah I believe so yeah it has to be with that well I guess nowhere well we we've had pipes 
actually replaced since then too   the the green portion will be replaced I'm 
ready to get started on these projects like   to go back we can tell you why that 
happened for years I can't speak to that so Tim when this one when this rusted 
metal pipe is replaced everything will be RCP   reinforced concrete pipe out there now corrected 
yeah correct out there we know Citywide how we're   doing I'm sure there's metal in other places yeah 
I got the gis was just finished this year that'll   help us and it tells you what each pipe's made 
out of how big it is oh it's it's a beautiful   age and yeah it will tell you if it needs to be 
replaced as you can see in this picture that's   on the uh slide yes um you see how some pipes 
are green yes and then there's other yellow   pipes yellow means that they're nearing their 
end of life so they probably should be changed   down out green means they're in good condition 
so as you can see that main right there is is   yellow so if I go to the gis coordinates on the 
map itself and click on it it'll give me a brief   explanation of you know how some pictures of the 
pipe what condition it's in and so on so forth   so I'll be able to tell hey you know we might 
want to look at that pipe a couple of years so   green is new new pipe Green's just saying it's in 
good condition okay new condition and that is now   available and done ready for you to utilize yes 
that's great thank you for that update that was   a CIP project in itself that I think you updated 
on and is that um and and so this is one of the   older pipes but when you said that will make 
all of them out there are you talking about   on Coral and Harbor Drive only all of Harbor 
Heights in the entire subdivision yeah Cain   and sorry to leave Cain off there okay that's 
great thank you and mayor if there's no other   questions on that one uh we have a more generic 
uh catchall of roadway repair and replacement is   the next one Tim talked about what you want to 
do over the next three years with this all right   so when I was in infrastructure maintenance uh 
I had a uh continual replacement of crossovers   to the beach ends oh the roadway replacement 
what's that are you on roadway yeah I'm just   using that as an example okay um Todd had brought 
to me and Dave Dicky and said what what if we had   something along the lines for roads to do the 
same thing so this is where I got it from and   I'm like that's a great idea because right now 
we're concentrating on presidential roads but   we're not concentrating on all the other roads 
throughout the city that are dilapidated so with   this this is just a um this isn't a full removal 
and replacement as in going down and doing all the   underground utilities this is just a simple Mill 
and resurface um so as as it says in here um uh   this it's going to include any curbing that needs 
to be removed and and replaced that are not within   our presidential streets um so the first one that 
I had put down on here was Longo Road um this was   on a CIP last year it was pushed forward to this 
year um and this is just to Mill and resurface   and redo any damage curbing that's done um and as 
you can see in the future Cherry down Lane which   which I believe we own now uh would be the next 
road that we would Mill and resurface and then   Harbor Heights possibly Mill and res surface for 
the next uh fiscal year 26 27 now as we find more   roads that are non-presidential we'll put them 
on this list um and then if you guys agree with   getting them repaired and replaced uh we'll go 
ahead and get them done um if they're pushed uh   if they're voted to be pushed out then or you know 
moved around that's okay too I have a question on   the Long Point Road does this include any of the 
sale at the end of the street I would have that   included into the project so when they would start 
at the A1A they would go down all the way to that   dead end part and I would have them clean out that 
sale clean out the gutters repour the gutters if   needed if they need to be repaired and bring bring 
that back up to its original is there is there any   way to prevent debris from filling that back in um 
well I can get an engineer to give me some options   um I know that storm water they have some neat 
to I like to call them toys because they're just   cool things to keep debris out of areas but um I 
could see if they have any uh any new toys that   I can Implement into the end of the road I think 
a lot of the issu down there which I've heard is   that there's debris being blown into that area yes 
and that's filling it up and what's going to end   up happening is years and years of people just 
getting rid of their stuff down there it's not   going to even act as a a reservoir for storm water 
anymore it's just going to flood so exactly yeah   I I know you and I have been out there several 
times and yes walked that and it's but I would   like to include that uh into the scope of work 
and and on Long Point I actually also wanted   to include um work with Molly and parks and wck 
because I know she's redoing Patriots Park um and   we discussed if we're going to go ahead and pave 
repave this road in Mill and resurface it um what   are the what are the uh odds of us being able to 
get some parking areas over at Patriots park right   there at the entryway next to the lift station so 
we're also looking at that in this Long Point is   strictly east or west of A1A not the little 
strip of Long Point where the VFW is on the   east side of A1A correct correct this is from A1A 
to dead end thank you Tim I I just want to stress   that we do look for um anything like a gravity 
line that might need to be replaced like a like   in Harbor Heights you know oh sure absolutely we 
don't want to have to cut up a new road because   we didn't do this first right yeah right yeah if 
they if they start finding things that's normally   when change orders come in if they start finding 
things or if they know something's really old in   the ground uh we'll either add it to the CIP add 
it to the you know the um the project and if it   ends up coming a little bit higher than what we 
anticipated because of that major repair that   needs to be done or minor repair I we'll just do 
a small change order and get that done might as   well while you have the road open right amen yes 
I hate cutting up a brand new Road I know breaks   my heart anything else on this one mayor not 
for me Council good thank you okay that's it   Tim thank you very much uh next up is community 
Economic Development um Dave who do you want   to put on the hot seat z z got I we can proceed 
this is Workshop I just need to step out for two   minutes I'll come right back that's okay or does 
anyone else need to if so we could take a quick   five quick five minute break it's that okay sure 
223 we'll try to be back before 2:30 okay sorry Zach e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e all right everybody it is 233 p.m. I call 
the meeting back to order we are at our city   council CIP Workshop meeting took a brief recess 
there uh in between presentations of the CIP our   city manager I think was about to roll into the 
community and economic development thank you very   much mayor yes sir and we'll start with Zach 
Zach if you want to start with your first one   which is The Bard County Sheriff's Office Cape 
canaval Precinct rooftop solar array and this   is an update yeah I'm going to hand this over to 
Commander kek just kidding that was good that was   good good so Council uh this is an update uh this 
is uh not new this was taken to council last year   this is basically to uh continue our efforts to 
install rooftop solar installations at critical   City facilities the next which being identified 
was the barar keny sheriff's office building   which the city does own but is used byard County 
uh Sheriff's Office uh this project and some of   the ones you're going to see on subsequent slides 
are part of a grant initiative actually um after   hurricanes Ian and Nicole uh thema through their 
Hazard mitigation grant program allotted money   to each uh State and then the states down 
to the counties RAR County got upwards of   $5 million for Hurricane Ian and about the 
same for Hurricane Nicole the city is a part   of the local uh mitigation strategy committee 
which is uh done through our County Emergency   Operation Center it's a committee comprised 
of local First Responders and City staff that   review projects that are submitted for this PO of 
money and select whether or not they should move   forward this project was selected to move forward 
uh this particular Grant was looking for projects   that can boost uh energy resilience we consider 
this a two-phase project one day this uh will be   when completed the largest rooftop City solar 
array in the city at 53 kws on the east south   and west sides of the building perfect building 
to do solar on great orientation good roof um   and it will be uh built to be uh battery ready 
as well uh to tie into the building's existing   diesel generator to uh accentuate that diesel 
generator's operations and prolong off-grid   capabilities if necessary we also get a lot of 
cost savings out of this we estimate upwards   of $370,000 over the 25 year lifespan of the 
system uh with the uh first year having over,   in savings and also a 99% reduction in carbon 
emissions for this particular facility we have   not heard yet back from the state we are just 
waiting on uh them to hopefully award us on a 7525 basis thank you do you want to pause there 
and if there are any questions is like we   were doing like is that you can ask any 
questions if you have and you finished   yeah for for now um Council any questions 
on the CSO rooftop solar array for the precinct yeah May ptim council member Jack I 
have a question okay on this particular item   as and also with the Sellar array on the multigen 
facility and or C5 do we have solar panels set up   in inventory in in case of breakage from hail 
or wind or anything like that correct yes okay   so they're under a 25 year warranty okay but 
do we keep spares we don't but the company   has them on available and the the particular 
company that we utilize is based in mland oh   okay very good that's good to know thank you 
um so they keep spare yeah they're all it's a   you know it's a modular infrastructure system 
so if any one panel function or break it could   be easily popped out and put into place in 
relatively short amount of time right okay   and then the other thing is how did we calculate 
you're going to love me right Zach you know my   questions um how did we calculate the utility 
savings as well as the total estimated uh of   378,000 over the 25y year LIF plan how did how 
did we come up with that figure so we sent in   about five years worth of utility data for 
the building to come up with that and then   that cost also included um a estimation on 
FPL rate increases 3.5% on annual basis um   that was thrown in there um yeah pretty much 
so it's just using real world data that we've   already experienced on the utility figure 
and then it's calculated against how much   the GD the solar panels would offset on their 
production so it's important to note that they   would be in the current configuration the system 
would be constructed it would be sending electri   back to fpl's grid to offset it would not be 
used to directly power the facility uh and then   that offset is where you see the savings occur 
over time okay so and that's important so I'm   going to repeat that make sure I understood so 
what we're doing is collecting the solar power   and and it's being sold back to fpl for the 
reduction on our actual electric bill correct okay now that leads me to one more question 
and then I'll leave you alone possibly for   5 seconds um so what would it take for that to 
be powering our own battery um Center where we   could be powering our own building using our 
solar versus getting a reduction from FPL so   that would require the installation of a battery 
energy storage system that's not scoped for this   particular project uh but we did intend it to be 
built to be battery ready as it's called where   it could be upgraded um there is space for this 
to happen if we wanted and that is a very large   solar system that would definitely Supply a lot of 
power for backup capabilities if needed and like I   said the cool thing about this is that we would 
be using the best of both worlds of diesel and   Battery to accentuate the life of the generator 
that's already there which could probably go for   three or four days fully fueled um but God forbid 
ships hits a bridge uh you know power goes out   uh and we can't get fuel onto the island for some 
reason the batteries would kick in during the day   supplementing power from the rooftop solar rate 
and would be power in the building they would die   generator kicks in keeps it going overnight the 
cycle continues but currently with what this is   projected for we would not have that capability 
okay and see to me it's very important that well   just for Council I'm really focused on continuity 
of government and emergency disaster processes so   if we're looking at doing this we need to look 
at continuing power for emergencies hurricanes   that kind of thing um and consider that because 
if FPL goes down and we're still down what has   that done for us and after you run out of diesel 
you've run out of diesel so I would definitely   consider it if you wanted to look at it in the 
broad spectrum this is a this would be phase one   of a two-phase energy backup project could we um 
scope out the storage piece for the next fiscal   year and put that into this next CIP we absolutely 
could and for me emergency I I was I'm certified   in disaster recovery for utilities and so for 
me looking at making sure and ensuring that our   emergency services are up in case of the worst 
we saw the worst of worst with Hurrican in and   Fort Meyers if we have to ensure whatever if we're 
looking at projects like this it's important to me   I don't know about the rest of the council but I 
think that it behooves us to look at making sure   that we are up if we had extended outages since 
we're on a barrier all I completely agree I can't   change it in the scope of the GR already been 
submitted but I definitely think uh should we   see should we see approval that would be the next 
step well and knowing that we can do that in two   phases and that we it would not be included in 
the first phase just makes us um better aware as   a council for looking at what we may want to do 
going forward corre I think it's a great idea to   put in the storage piece in the following fiscal 
year thank you for that I have quick question   Zach would that not just be a uh replication of 
im10 pretty much okay we might be able to make it   bigger depending on the exact size and the system 
modularity those systems are getting more advanced   all the time um the energy sector has really put 
a lot of R&D into that U the system that we saw   council member was that for technology probably 
be a little bit bigger than that um but something   of a similar vein that they that they're using on 
their Alumni Center and following up on thank you   thank you councilman Willis I just found that I am 
10 from from me saying that so we've got the we've   got it in um budgeted in capital Improvement 
for the C5 but we don't have it budgeted for   our Emergency Services right so do you want to Che 
that's a different side Che I think we can kind of   talk about them together if that's okay oh 100% 
okay so um yes what you see on the uh oh that's   actually the next slide yep yeah thank you perfect 
so this project uh is also a grant funded project   if we receive it uh through the same funding 
cycle of Hazard mitigation from FMA this was   done for the uh uh Community Center um part of the 
Grant application that the the budgeting office   that that goes that looks after hm hmgp funding is 
looking for facility improvements that can handle   critical facilities and also facilities that can 
outwardly help residents after a disaster that   was the thinking behind the community center and 
also its ongoing transition to become an overall   resilience Hub should something ever happen 
here post storm for people that remained or   people that are coming back and need assistance 
uh the community center can be used as a space   uh where we could assist with that with other 
departments like any Sheriff's Office can have   a fire rescue right now the community center does 
not have a backup system of any kind diesel or   battery um space is relatively limited to uh 
have a traditional diesel system of the size   that would be needed for a building like that 
so the energy storage system via the batteries   was much more effective in terms of its small 
footprint modularity uh with this particular   project we'd be looking at in conjunction with 
the existing rooftop solar array about a 4 Hour   uh usage time um during the day uh to utilize for 
everything but pretty much the agac we could bring   in Mobile smaller HVAC units uh cooking UT cooking 
supplies uh Communications things like that um and   then this would also be funded on a 75% 25% basis 
should we be awarded which we hope to hear back   this this year if we didn't have water breaching 
the dams that we've just ordered or the doors we   just ordered all of that could happen yeah okay 
um so we're looking the building was built to   be solar ready which is great so a lot of the 
conduit been pre-laid there's space in utility   room there's also consideration to perhaps put 
them on the second floor there's a closet directly   above the utility room building the closet space 
to be fireproof up to appropriate code to handle   this and um we keep uh you know some flooding 
inance I will say though um you know I'm not   sure exactly which product we will go to but 
Tesla does have one of the best as you see on   the screen and their most recent power wall uh 
was built to be submerged in operation which is   fantastic um knowing that these could be used in 
a space that could be vulnerable to something like   flooding so they really improved the technology 
U but yes that is the gist of this project so   both of them are hmgp Grant Reliant at this point 
and when do we expect to hear something on those   hopefully this the F year this F year it is the 
state so and I'll leave it at that but but these   were approved by Bard County hmgp yes to the LMS 
committee they're just wait Bard county is waiting   for the money yeah okay thank you Zach I I got a 
question I got a question as far as the funding   goes so like council member Jackson was asking so 
if you needed to get another uh storage system or   whatever is I mean is the pot the pot inless in 
the Grant in the grants that could fund these   with the 7525 whatever you can go to the well 
again and see that application that application   cycle is ended that application has closed okay 
so the city would have to fund what council member   unless there's unless another Grant opens up and 
that's what Zach is saying he'd be looking for all   right and Mike the reason I'm bringing it up is if 
that doesn't happen and not to sound like a broken   record but it's important that we use these arpa 
funds that if we delved into more of these that   I would suggest this is a viable thing to use for 
arpa funds that are remaining okay if we can't get   a grant even if we have to pay the 25% that's 
remaining we don't impact the general fund and   we use the arpa money because it is it's there I 
think that's a good idea so as we scop the storage   piece for 25 26 we had we tag it to arpa Zac while 
we're trying to get grants yes and the reason I'm   bringing it up is because time is we got time but 
time is is moving along and we I want to use every   penny of these arpa funds if free it's free money 
that's we've already started investigating a new   National Science Foundation Grant with Florida 
Institute of Technology specific to resilience   Hub development uh similar to the one that we just 
completed with the rain Garden pafic Innovation   Challenge that they released this one is looking 
also for resilience enhancements so this is that   would be a great fallback Grant uh to do we have 
a track record of success with NSF funding one   for one so nice work thank you back I have one 
question yes you said that the batteries would be   good for four hours a day yes they full charge so 
how many days would that like if we were that's a   good question so the solar array at the roof would 
continue to feed them and recharge them as needed   during the day post hurricane um it's usually 
actually very sunny so we can keep it going for   quite a while um and the rooftop solar rays they 
are always speced to withstand wind speeds of 165   miles hour that is what they've been engineered to 
handle so with these we would be able to open that   facility God forbid we should have a bad storm 
four hours a day for however many days it takes   people to get back in their homes and yes we would 
never do it before we do not want to encourage   people to stay on correct we should never be there 
should never be a Shel there are no shelters on   the island during a storm for safety reasons after 
yes this would be the rallying point for residents   where they could experience some type of relief 
as they're trying to assess their own personal situations Zach I got a couple of questions yeah   the 110,000 cities portion 
is 25% of that or is the 110,000 25% of the total like is it 
440,000 the total budget is 110,000   so we only pay oh no I'm sorry to say 
out of the general fund but where was   I reading yeah the I'm down there 
at the bottom of the slide there $110,000 total total so be 35,000 us 75,000 
has a mitigation and they provide those funds   up front or do we have to spend it and they 
reimburse sort of I don't know off hand but   we have this money budgeted in case that's 
required this in the budget 110,000 with the   hope of getting a grant so this council's 
really looking at this as hey 110 cross   your fingers 75% that's a lot uh comes 
back do you know the size of this battery yes in in terms of kilowatt hours and and then KW 
yes hold please 68.4 kilowatt hours 68 so 68,0 400   I would think kilowatt hours yes so 68.4 and the 
does it say what the kilowat is this just I do not   have that like the it's um okay we did a overw 
but we could get more specifics to drill down   further do you know the brand of that battery no 
just we kept it open generally that amount of that   capacity of storage would provide four hours of 
runtime for the C5 without AC running right so in   non-air condition that load that's what it sized 
the hearing council member Jackson and I think   overall I think that is really what were that's 
the direct benefit that we understand and I think   would help the community understand and so for if 
the sheriff's department if we were to have grid   failure and in a disaster recovery I think the 
question we want to think about so that you can   do it you know the best job you can is how many 
days would we want our perard County Sheriff's   Office to operate in the event there there was no 
power so in in terms of hours I would think more   in terms of days for them not hours and think um 
this would be a larger investment but paired with   the diesel like you said um and their capabilities 
and their needs and certainly what bcso is is   involved in this um I think that's a really good 
goal is say hey we we're working and that might   take phases but in this year next year we we we 
invested in at least one day of you know no grid   dependency is completely relying on it um and then 
you know by adding on batteries over time we we   might need to add more days but at least starting 
in those terms because you know we'll kind of get   lost up in the battery sizes and some of them are 
more efficient than others but I know that most   you like 10year warranties which are really um 
good and the space for it um I think is important   but th those are all ideas that I support to and 
and being able to um move on that even sooner than   next year in my opinion because I know that right 
now there there are a lot of Grants and funds and   those step down over time at the federal level as 
we know some of them um or there's just a limited   amount of funds and all the public institutions 
across the country are competing for that now   it's a lot of money but eventually it will be 
all utilized and so um thank you and we've had   um experience with our storms here where certain 
spots within the city were out for three days or   a week so I think looking at outages from past 
storms to determine where we're vulnerable if   if bcso and our fire department locations are 
vulnerable so that we can have real empirical   data instead of analyzation of that would be good 
because we want to be able to make sure that these   guys are up and running um I know that we also 
partner with the port on the the fire department   and emergency response and can possibly look 
at that as alternatives for locations if we had   outages but I think looking at actual storm data 
would be a great thing to ensure that we're doing   something that it is Meaningful and I do like 
the C5 I mean it's centrally located it provides   a larger space that even our First Responders 
might be able to utilize as we've said use the   um the the uh little Le field is I was at the live 
training session yesterday that they had and we   were in discussions about you know what what the 
metac areas that you use in the city the little   Le field is one of the designated medac areas 
where they would come in and land a helicopter   because it's behind a secure fence line so that's 
important to know I hadn't previously known that   um so having that be a distribution point to 
where even our First Responders could utilize   the facility would be like you said important 
and under serious disaster you know help first   hospital moving our nearest facility is there 
a path that the city could look into or pursue   about what it would take to convert the C5 into uh 
a facility where doctors are fire Medics Sheriff   can utilize to provide a so we're not actually 
having to fly them out we can treat them right   there that that would space that would absolutely 
be part of the development so might open up more   to aifi facility so with the resilience concept 
it's really in two different buckets you have   your infrastructure bucket because without that 
you can't really do much programming inside of   it the building can't keep itself going during uh 
calamities then you have the programming side of   it so that's where you start getting the partners 
involved our County Emergency Operations can fire   rescue bcso and we start developing internal 
programs and policies and procedures to say during   this specific this happens with the facility 
during that specific scenario this happens   with the facility that has yet to be developed and 
that as as we're going along that is what we'll be   doing so multi-gen was something we always used 
to talking about multi-use now exactly and we   want to definitely potentially based on if Council 
comes to that decision we'd want to look at what   type of uh equipment needs to be there for bcso to 
provide emergency dispatch things that that nature   if that's going to be their backup location 4 
hours in that case is not going to help us so   we'd have to look at expansion of that to go fully 
into it if we're looking at a phased approach yeah   the great thing about battery technologies is 
a very mod absolutely they can be added to with   relative ease as long as there's space thank you 
I think all that was around the justification you   know which is an important part of of this and so 
the beginning of I think hopefully some more thank   you thank you next please next one I will hand it 
over to my colleague Kyle Harris this this one is   the presidential streets and we've been looking 
forward to this one this is a multifaceted Beast   of a project that's been a couple years in the 
making now and Kyle's getting ready to tell us   about the April update that council could expect 
at the council meeting Kyle yes so this is just   a little break from Zach you'll hear more from 
him soon don't worry um so yes uh this is some   some good timing uh the presidential streets 
master plan um there will be a presentation at   the April council meeting by kimley horn kind of 
tying together um the presidential streets master   plan both phases one and two um the Civic Hub 
storm water feasibility study and the CER Street   Basin study just kind of tying together these 
different projects that we've looked at over   the years and um give us a good a good foundation 
to uh start moving forward for this fiscal year to   have a street that we're going to start serving 
Outreach to the citizens on that street um and   then so so we've budgeted to kind of do that again 
next year for for a subsequent street but also get   into the actual construction and and you know get 
underground and look at everything so um yeah it's   a obviously a huge project that has many many 
moving Parts um but we uh going to be funding   it through the CRA uh for the most part there's 
a small portion that's outside of the CRA um at   the beach ends but this should be founded by the 
CRA and then uh we also still have Grant Services   through kimley horn um we've been speaking with 
them actually this week and they are helping us   uh secure some some grants so um we'll get some 
money that way a question um maybe a question for   Dave on this we know that the CRA can only fund 
the portion of the presidential streets that's   in the CRA and that ends at Ridgewood Avenue so 
anything east of actually anything Ridgewood and   East cannot be CRA dollars could that qualify 
for transportation impact fees from Bard County   Dave do you know that you on the spot I just 
want to say thank you for that question yeah I appreciate I See's what I mean that's sort 
of where the presidential streets originated   really started on the east side of Ridgewood 
yeah and then we in this way for the CR but um what we have had to do in the past is we've 
had to go to the county with a really pretty   detailed scope on how we're going to spend these 
Transportation dollars that we're getting back and   they've been very uh thorough in the research of 
of what we're doing with these dollars we as as   the council knows spending these mostly on Street 
skate projects or complete Street projects um I   think if we can fashion an argument that these 
are complete Street projects um we may be able   to uh at least go to the C go to the county and 
ask because when it comes to complete streets   projects we've got thurm we've got thurm we've 
got West Central between A1A and and Atlantic   and that's it right there's no other ones we're 
planning right now so I'd like us to keep an   eye on on that because we know these presidential 
streets are going to be more than a decade working   on them just keep an eye on that yeah I think the 
components are there for a street for a complete   Street project on our beach um so yeah I think 
that's a very creative thought I might I'll talk   to Todd about this but maybe I'll reach out to 
my count that just get a take a temperature on   what the staff person at least thinks about that 
yeah we can discuss because when when the council   Mak some decisions after hearing from kimley 
horn on sequencing of presidential streets and   we have a our I'm going to call it our game plan 
laid out for the next many years that plan going   to the county taking that plan to the county 
saying this is how much money we're going to   need over so many years we'd like to continually 
plug Transportation impact fees into this as they   come in maybe structure an agreement around that 
yeah as you said earlier I mean the hotels are are   one pot of money you indicated also any project 
are generating those that pot of money or filling   that pot of money they're not as big but uh over 
time I mean every bit every little bit helps it's   about $2,000 for a single family home for County 
transportation Ines um so you know every little   bit helps so that's a good ideaay on top of so 
Dave I I think your first word there is the key   scope right I mean if we could do thurm and 
they could give us 1.2 million for a project   that might be let me just say three million and 
now we're going to do a presidential seat that's   three million well can they give us those impact 
fees or whatever 800,000 for that part that's the   Ridgewood side on the East I mean maybe maybe 
it could be justified we've got to we've got   indicated earlier we've got two Hotel projects 
that we haven't really nailed down yet on how   we're going to spend those those impact 800,000 
yeah so we do have to go back to the county and   ask them to reallocate those dollars back to the 
city so that could potentially be our opportunity   to funnel them into the presidential streets yeah 
and let's let's not lose sight of the fact that   uh our CRA board tasks the business and economic 
development board to also weigh in on funding the   presidential streets we want to get their thoughts 
on this as well because they might have some other   creative ideas when's that meeting scheduled for 
you know next Thursday week tonight okay so that   that works out nicely for the January count I'm 
sorry April council meeting we're going to have   our heads full of information about presidential 
streets after the April council meeting it sounds   like council member Willis did you uh yeah I 
want to throw a wrench in this um because uh   several months ago we discussed impact fees as 
it relates to to A1A and possible pedestrian   Crossings oh that's true so I don't want to lose 
sight of that either so because U I met with fdot   Lexi Miller and I and the TPO met with uh fdot at 
the facility in Coco yesterday and they are coming   around um that's basically all I can say right now 
but uh if we are willing to put a little more skin   in the game we might get a few things so that's 
definitely something to keep in mind thank you sir any other comments on this particular project 
uh the uh update from kimley horn will also   include the results of the oneway analysis yes 
that's right okay the update from Kim and Horn   will also tell us what streets they're talking 
about starting with or is it yeah so they'll   they'll present what what their recommendation is 
and then Council can discuss what they would like   to do they're they're definitely looking at it 
from a triage basis I'm I'm certain of that okay   thank you yes thank you all right anything else 
on presidential streets mayor not at this time no   thank you all right moving on to Banana River Park 
Shoreline I think this is Zach okay so for the   last few years we've been experiencing some pretty 
significant erosion events on our shorelines   where our uh uh our city owned shorelines at 
Banana River Park and man Sanctuary Park um we   experienced erosion after Hurricane Matthew Ian um 
Irma so uh we've been thrown around this project   for quite a number of years now just internally 
and this is the first time we're actually going to   try and bring it to council to what you want to do 
uh anticipated cost is 100,000 to the city um this   would be specifically for a stline stabilization 
and enhancement project at Banana River Park um   probably in the area that you see in the photo 
the upper photo there where there's little to   no vegetation because you can see where there is 
vegetation the shoreline is much further out and   where there is not we're experiencing consistent 
Shoreline collapse that is slowly encroaching back   towards that fence um this would uh probably 
be in collaboration with several local part   including the bardu and the Indian Lagoon National 
estoy program part of a living shine design is   twofold it would be to stabilize the shoreline and 
recruit sediment so that the shoreline actually   gets extended further out into the Lagoon instead 
of being pushed back and also for Habitat quality   improvement uh the Banana River Lagoon has been 
one of the hardest hit areas of the overall Indian   River Lagoon system in terms of algae blooms and 
species die offs and seagrass die offs um we don't   know exactly what the project final design will 
look like it would probably involve some type of   green infrastructure some type of uh Shoreline 
um or inwater devices that would mitigate wave   energy before it hits the shoreline um that would 
also accentuate the local habitat by providing   places for recruitment of species uh including 
SE grafts which there is little to none in this   area um if this was to work out we would consider 
moving the project or expanding the further down   the shoreline uh and also because once you get 
into the water you're really in state land and   you have to work with the state and the St John's 
River Water Management District to get this type   of project permitted we could begin to go out and 
protect other areas of the city um because uh a   lot of our flooding flood projections actually 
show that some of the um uh worst flooding that   we could experience in a major storm event is 
on the Lagoon side and not the ocean side which   sounds a in it but this is uh what we've seen so 
that's basically what that project is we have any   questions $75,000 in Grants and do you see that 
where do you see that sourced from Zach that   could be a number of things I honestly don't know 
yet um we proposed 100,000 for the city just in   case we got nothing pretty confident that there 
are grants out there to for efficient Wildlife   uh IRL NEP theard Zoo um John uh there's usually 
a lot of stuff for this type of um of uh project   as well with the uh aquarium coming they will be 
experiencing similar issues that we do uh if they   don't enhance their Shoreline so I imagine there 
would be mutual interest and extending protection   down the shoreline those few thousand feet to our 
city um because this is the type of project too   where if you do it and some areas are unprotected 
over time could other areas so it's definitely   something we want to broaden as we move forward 
thank you my question is the the cost is B is it   says for a living Shoreline is this for the pl 
the plants the trees or is that labor and would   the any sediment actual it would be for plants it 
would be for wave attenuation devices it would be   for uh lers labor construction it would be it 
would be a fairly small scale project probably   few dozen feet in length enough to cover that area 
that you see in that upper picture maybe a little   more depending on the exact type of system that 
we've scoped out um so the goal is to close that   gap between roughly through those two trees in the 
upper picture correct but it's also establishing a   methodology that we are are going to hopefully be 
proving out that could be rubber stamped at every   copy copy and pasted copy pacing it down the 
shoreline man Sanctuary Park is another great   place to do this where there's a boardwalk that's 
in close proximity to the Shoreline uh and some   areas that has minimal vegetative protection and 
then some private properties might also emulate   what we're doing based on our lessons learned 
exactly my final question is if there is any uh   data on what we've lost um or is it just visual 
observations but maybe in between the meeting   being able to see that I've aerial photography 
come to my house no I'm serious if you want to see   erosion what you come to PDR Zach I think we could 
easily get um barar County property appraiser   aerial historical photographs to prove what the 
mayor's asking let I'm not asking to prove I'm   asking to see what was the rate of erosion 
because that's the if this is just covering   a small segment I know I've been out there enough 
to see all that got washed out the little ramp I   remember having to redo that um but yeah what is 
the rate and then what does this investment do for   us as far as extending the life of that Shoreline 
the cost of doing nothing is at the rate it eroded   just say it was one foot a year for easy math uh 
you know we know that not making this investment   in three years we theoretically would lose three 
feet of Shoreline and so by putting this money   in we hold three feet for do we add two do we 
decrease the loss and if so for for roughly how   long because I agree that's a small section 
if there's erosion happening elsewhere it be   something I think we all want to look at there is 
um we saw project at the Marine Resources Council   Lagoon house in Palm Bay excellent place highly 
recommend um they have a a living shine design   where they put in basically these what they're 
called Sills which are these Rocky encroachments   they that mangroves are put into the rocky Sills 
break up the wave energy the mangroves clean up   the water and sediment is recruited behind them 
and sure enough they had 10 to 15 ft of extra   stline built back all with nature doing its own 
thing once it was a chance and then they planted   on that new recruited sediment to sh up that that 
shine and build it into a very thick mat of roots   and vegetation so it it worked very well and it 
worked in as little as two years that's great yeah   so that's a good case study where's that down in 
pal South perard yes uh in Palm Bay at the Marine   Resources Council Lagoon house oh I know where 
that okay beautiful trail system you can walk   down in the water and see it and then you can see 
where they stopped it and there's nothing it's at   least 10 to 15 feet back it's pretty striky thank 
you any other questions for me anything else well   I I did see U Coco Beach had done something 
along the Banana River as well along one of   their parks and uh McNab yeah McNab Park and it 
had arrested some of the erosion so but it was   not a large scale project and there's there's 
a number of associations along the riverfront   who are looking to combine efforts to seek some 
grants as well so we may several of them have been   in touch in contact with me so we may be trying 
to uh find ways that we can do that as well I'm   also pleased to say that in uh the yard back at 
Public Works we have three artificial waths that   were donated to us that were 3D printed with 
concrete that are that would probably find a   home in this proposed project to test how they do 
and see what they do so look like cabbage re very   cool that is cool I have two questions yes so 
I I know basically where this is up so I have   one question is and this is not addressing the 
shoreline at the water department that's a great   thing to bring up so let's talk about that real 
quick cuz that's yes Park water treatment plant   water treatment plant s um currently the city is 
going through a uh very important design study   with the US Army Corps of Engineers we were I 
I'll call it a grant it's not really a grant   but for the sake of Simplicity it's essentially 
a grant that the city was awarded to work with   the Army Corps of Engineers through their section 
14 emergency stream Bank restoration program this   is a program designed to protect critical utility 
assets from erosion and we qualified for that and   with that we get $100,000 of federal funding that 
the Army Corps will use to do a design study and   Analysis of the treatment PL Shoreline which they 
started on February 16th of this year and it lasts   exactly for one year part of the program would be 
moving into a phase two uh that would actually see   infrastructure implementation to enact what the 
design study says should be done that tapped at   A10 million budget that is split 6535 65 Federal 
35 City doesn't have to go up to 10 million that's   just a cap the program ends at so that is a 
super critical project that is ongoing right   now we're working with the Army Corps to get Trine 
measurements do surveys we've done a lot of drone   flights with M Riddle University to get uh current 
photographs and to monitor the erosion out there   um so we uh you know a little $100,000 living 
shine project at the treatment plant won't do much   good so we brought out the big guns and we brought 
in the Army cor Engineers um to see what we can do   out there so that design study will be brought 
back to council once they're complet for your   review okay and it start it started in February 
correct 16th so 2025 February 16th it should be   or sooner that's just when it would uh by the 
programs statues has to end um and you would be   that because there's no obligation to actually 
move forward into the stage two infrastructure   implementation it would be with council's blessing 
that we would um depending on what they do and I'm   pleased to say too because traditionally the Army 
Corps has been very seaw wall seaw wall we are   exploring a hybrid design that would ensure some 
type of green gray infrastructure to ensure that   erosion is stopped or reversed um because there 
are Sexes the treatment plant that are relatively   close to the Lagoon so that's not something we 
want to wash away and then my second question   probably is more for Mr Dicky because that is in 
regards to any existing property on the um Banana   River that may want to do building and what they 
can do to their yards what they're allowed to do   to their yards so um I know that many people that 
build or in a lot of places within our city have   been coming in and knocking down older older homes 
and wanting to rebuild and when you're on that   side and you take out all of the plants that are 
along the shoreline you are more Su you know susp   suceptible to erosion so have we done anything 
to prevent that since we're seeing erosion in   certain spots along the river or is there um or 
has that already been addressed that kind of thing I mean we have some I'll call them Legacy 
ordinances C's had around for a while and   there setbacks from high water lines uh would 
include the river so so we have some stuff in   place that people can't go right down into and 
build and alter and modify modify these areas   um so but could we do more yeah I think we we 
certainly could um obviously we start dealing   with property rights at that point and that's 
kind of a you know it's a sensitive issue um   but I think that's you know we I'm thinking about 
that uh what's the name of that subdivision right   there on thurm it's a beautiful little subdivision 
right there Angel's aisle manay manay the last one   on yes yeah if you've ever driven back in there 
we've got five or six maybe 10 homes along that   Canal right back there and we've worked pretty 
with folks most of them they wanted to put pools   in and so we've dealt very closely with them on 
on what they can and can't do with within so many   feet of the high water line so yeah we we've 
got we've got some standards in place where we   can address that um also if somebody wants to get 
down in there and alter some of those areas those   I'll call them jurisdictional areas of either St 
John's or Army Corps whoever um there's obviously   those agencies have their own permitting process 
above and beyond what the city has um so I'm not   familiar with any um um how can I phrase it uh 
permanent damage or real serious negative stuff   going on with with Redevelopment activities but 
so I I think we're okay but we we certainly can   take a look at Dave I a question and I think 
this is a great line of questioning yeah city   council recently held a joint meeting with 
the pnz and the East Central Florida Regional   planning Council about strengthening our codes 
for resilience and one of the things that that   was focused on was at the time of Redevelopment 
certain codes come in could this find a place   in that effort the shorelines the specifically 
the Banana River Lagoon shorelines as far as a   code that would be addressed it yeah I mean we we 
can't there's no planning there's no legal term   Anthony can no Pine on it better it's called 
rational Nexus there has to be some rational   reason or purpose for your ordinances um you 
just can't willy-nilly come up with things just   because you want it so there has to be some some 
purpose for these things but um yeah I think as   far as our resiliency standards and and goals 
and aspirations go we can certainly uh take a   look at that yeah I think we could work very 
closely with the regional planning Council   um they deal they do a lot of this work around 
the around the central part of Florida a lot of   community Co Coastal Community so yeah we could 
certainly do that if that would be the the wish   and the desire of the counc well and I'm a fairly 
Common Sense type of person but if we're looking   at restoring this much of it while some over here 
it's being destroyed what are we doing why are we   even doing that why are we even addressing it 
it needs to be more of a coordinated um effort   that ensures that our entire you know water line 
there is being addressed we didn't take Florida   and do a coastal zoning line on the outside you 
know where the Atlantic is and stop at one city   and say you do whatever you want you know we 
didn't we took a overall approach to that and   so it doesn't make sense to be restoring a small 
section like this to me if we're allowing things   that cause degradation in other areas yeah if 
if if the council remembers that gentleman from   UF who was here at the workshop one of the things 
that I think it was a big part of the conversation   was what can the city do for our own properties 
and what can we ask private property owners to   do so that's kind of what I think we're talking 
about here is kind of a two two approach yeah   we certainly can certainly can do something then 
there's the aquarium there's the aquar Y yeah and   that's they're going to that's going to be that's 
going to be something else I will say real quick   too about this particular project we have it set 
within pretty firm boundaries of the park so I'm   confident that it wouldn't exacerbate any issues 
surrounding it um so uh and then I was also going   to say uh for residents that do live on the Lagoon 
we do have the adopted Mangrove program residents   can get mangroves from the city about two three 
years old red mangroves that they can plant as   they please um on their shorelines if they feel 
it would help so that is available we get the   mangr and Marine Resources Council thank you Zach 
mayor if there's no more questions we can move on   no I think the big takeaway here is sounds like 
a really good project for for us and we I think   want to zoom out a little and say hey here's all 
of our Shor line we're going to knock this one out   uh but I think there is is an appetite for for 
more shoreline protection if needed absolutely   so thank you and usually when these projects are 
done you don't I wouldn't imagine a continuous   linear line of like infrastructure it would be 
specific targeted places where you see and then   you let the green side of it um appreciate the 
project over time instead of like with a seaw wall   that depreciates over time failure and whatnot so 
yeah one of the only infrastructure projects that   compounds on itself interesting all right if we're 
ready to move on mayor uh next one is canaval fire   rescue station 53 enhanced lightning protection 
system Zach okay so this is pretty simple um   this would be the last facility that we would 
install uh one of our cmce devices to dissipate   lightning within a 375 degree uh area around 
around it um All City facilities are complete   with such a project this would be CRA funded uh 
the device itself would only cost about $12,500   but we budgeted 16,000 just in case we have 
to talk to Dave Sergeant just to make sure he   was okay he was okay so um yeah it would be uh 
either mounted on the top of the radio antenna   behind the building or on a ballasted mount that's 
over the pitched roof at the dead center of the building which will make the fourth 
facility or the fif fac that's great   I am super pleased to say that since installing 
these there has been no on property damage from   lightning strikes don't they come with 
some sort of a guarantee how does that   work again Zach there is a $500,000 
no strike guarantee yeah W and a 10e   warranty thank you it's almost paid to 
get thank you any questions on this one Council perform regular maintenance on these too 
in the form of just checking the ground connection   so every before we go into every lightning season 
um we know that they're up to stuff okay moving   on Zach resiliency division fleet vehicle 
upgrade you've got two items about Vehicles   yes so first one is to replace two existing City 
vehicles that have uh kind of seen their course um   looking to acquire a for Maverick hybrid pickup 
truck uh to provide staff with better utility   capabilities and uh more reliability we've 
had several issues with our Chevy Malibu uh   May rest in peace but um and then our our Fort 
Focus uh also Kyle hits his head on the door   every time so we just kind of outg is is that 
why it's no longer funing the truck what about Kyle's so Zach this will take care of two vehicles 
this one yes we would like to replace both with   one vehicle um we could get this vehicle through 
the Florida sherff Association at a pretty minimal   cost of uh only uh for less than $25,000 that 
26 is just to allow for some extra add-ons like   safety lighting um and uh telematics use 
uh so that would be really good with the   bed too we can start to use it to go to do more 
City events show off the vehicle um in terms of   electrification efforts and then also just I think 
it's prudent for the city to be utilizing vehicles   that have a little bit higher profile given flood 
situations and whatnot so that it could be used   uh during Implement situations if we needed to 
address certain responses to storms and whatnot so great gas M over 40 MPG and it's hybrid it is 
yes and what's the can you how long can you go   on all electric or is it just regenerator 
of the charging as it braks that would be   regenerative braking it's called an H hybrid 
electric vehicle it would be used it would go   to battery mode at very low speeds probably 20 
miles hour or less which is great for around   here it is and uh and then when it's at idle 
and you could put around 20 miles an hour on   fully electric for quite a while yeah put 
around I like that ter yeah we put around   officers are here so we're just putting 
around yeah so thank you I think that's a well 25 it's a 10 year old the Chevy Malibu 
you're 10 is that not operating anymore it   operates but it's you know it's GNA it's become 
a money pit there there's things going wrong with   constant maintenance it's it's time yeah it's over 
10 years old and do we have a as far as fitting in   the back the mobile pumps where we have flooding 
sometimes I think we have other vehicles set for   that larger could it work on that one there could 
be a hitch at it I'm not aware of what the um the   toe capacity is it has some toe capacity but 
I don't know what it is but we usually use our   like F250 vehicles for um that type of bigger 
yeah thank you any other questions okay moving   on next one is resilience operations utility um 
v2x I'm probably not saying that correctly you   are okay more Vehicles so this is another Hazard 
mitigation Grant funded project still outstanding   um it's in the current fiscal year budget to 
support the 7525 uh these vehicles would uh be   probably put in public works these would in fact 
be all electric Ford F-150 Lightning pickups and   um I'll be honest with you I don't have much 
confidence that we will actually get this Grant   because U the uh the funding cycle uh calls that 
that Vehicles can't be included although the city   made the argument that these are in fact mobile 
generators which is how they are built by Ford uh   in this picture you could see them being utilized 
for such operations these have a massive battery   system inside of them that can be utilized for 
on-site usage for construction or whatnot powering   lights tools charging devices and also included 
in this C would be the implementation of um v2x   technology which is vehicle to X or excuse me 
vehicle to everything so these can actually   be plugged into a building and used as backup 
generators to power the facility for a few days on   full charge three days of an average sized us home 
at full charge rationing it go up to seven days we   would have two so we could intermix the vehicles 
um and uh yeah that's pretty much what that the   city this the city Us in the city of Titusville 
applied for this uh project so I don't know how   many vehicles they ask for but we ask for two now 
if we were to win that and purchase those Vehicles   they could power the bcso we could install that 
technology to do that yes no I do not know I do   not off hand full back up I don't I don't know 
it'd be something but I don't know off hand   how much that would be something like the Public 
Works Services administration building where they   would you know stage after disaster to coordinate 
Public Works efforts certainly a building of that size I think um hopefully yeah they see 
it that way it's a battery with wheels yes okay happens to look like a pickup are 
there any anticipated um reductions in that   price based on the fact they're doing those 
layoffs I maybe I don't know um we went for   the uh the price is a little on the heavier 
side because we also went for more premium   version since we figured most would be paid for 
by the state why not why not go For Broke and try   and get more this was this specific variant was 
what the city of Orlando purchased and we were   able to view that and it seemed like a good fit 
so that's why we went with that but there could   be a reduction by the time we would go out to 
get one that's what I'm wondering I'm thinking   that there may be because there's kind of some 
changes going on with them thank you back when   will you know if we get this grant I really 
hope I can tell you in the next few months it   should be this fiscal year but with the state 
of Florida I don't I don't know sometimes and   does the Public Works uh Administrative 
Building have the solar um it does not at   this time it is if the grid goes down out there 
there's a massive backup diesel generator that   kicks in to keep the facility going this could 
offset some of that and keep that specific to   critical pumps and whatnot and the outlying admin 
buildings and whatnot offices could utilize this technology that would be the biggest project 
if we were trying to offset the electricity   consumption those facilities that's like 
80% of our electric bill when you add all   the facilities just there but boy that would 
be quite a project you see them covering the   the clarifier or the to tops of the but still not 
enough I mean there's a a lot of power coming out   of there and I think being able to um keep that 
operating is is good but it would take a lot of   trucks I think if even possible the demand is 
so high yes for to increase energy Security in   the plant I would vouch you know I think the 
existing diesel generator does a really good   job um so but any more supplemental additions uh 
could be additional battery storage systems there   are treatment plans that have uh done that now 
but we're talking Battery Systems that the size   of shipping containers it would be a it would 
be a very big project but I do think the plant   is up to Snuff at this point with what uh Coreal 
these would provide additional capabilities and   uh reduce that load a every little bit we 
can reduce on the main generator is great   and this was for one one truck two two that's 
what I thought I was looking for okay thank you okay any other questions councel hearing 
none mayor we'll move on to Traffic Safety   public installation Zach is this you or Kyle 
yes last one so this one is a project that was   sent our way by uh 321 Millennials um mayor I 
think they might have contacted you for yeah   so um this is something that we're looking 
to do with uh funding that would be provided   from 321 Millennials which is basically a youth 
group uh that provides education and Outreach to   communities try to enhance communities overall 
they're looking to do uh in collaboration with   us some type of crosswalk art design very cool 
very placemaking um somewhere within the city   um we wanted to budget a little bit for being 
able to pay for design costs from perhaps a   local artist um I I don't know offhand how 
much the free two Monon LS would be able to   give um but we thought this would be a pretty 
cool uh project to do somewhere perhaps in the   presidential streets uh maybe on a street that we 
know won't be done for quite a number of years um   or some somewhere perhaps Elementary I think 
that would be an awesome educational piece and   it would be done probably also in collaboration 
with the Space Coast Transportation Planning organization Kyle do you want to anything 
about that uh no I was just gonna mentioned   we we had talked to them about cape view uh one 
of the roads around there and possibly you know   getting the students involved somehow and you 
know voting or some element of that so it's   just kind of a fun thing to creates a sense of 
place this this kind of thing I think could be   thought of in future upcoming presidential 
streets at aign also other areas of the city   where could potentially just yeah that's a 
good place for that um and just as an aside   it looks like they're playing an asp diminished 
chord on the piano one there I really like that one I think um doing it down by cap you there's 
many Crossways where the kids cross to get to   school that would be a good place and then you 
know we're going to tear apart the presidential   streets why paint it and then tear it up so doing 
it down there would be something I would be pretty   pretty unique for Bard I'm only aware of one 
other in the county in Coco Village front of   the playhouse that might be another I don't know 
but we'd probably be one of the first to have such   such an installation which would beol do you have 
any idea how long it would take before it need to   be repainting repainted I do not um because I know 
that suns in chance things like that that would   certainly have to be considered in the cost of 
the project over the long term what would be the   ongoing maintenance of it um but this is this 
is very high level we haven't really explored   that much we wanted to at least include it so that 
you could be aware of it pick and choose and and   because 321 Millennials had expressed interest 
in working with us so I'm wondering Zach if it   if there's like a coding that can be applied like 
every year or so to help keep it looking fresh Tim   do you know do you you have any uh experience 
with striking or or codings of this type that could what what do they have Tim to help 
preserve it over the years from fading okay yeah be a protectant from that yeah Zach 
can we get some follow-up information on that   how how we can protect and preserve this 
I think that'll be helpful for our Council sure yeah I remember them and I did not I think 
was it Lexi or you or I can't even remember just   took it and ran with it and so I I'm happy to see 
uh this is coming back I think my comment would   be the community appearance board be be involved 
in this and just make sure we're really talking   through uh you know what it is I love cape view 
Rockets um right there Cher you know wherever it   makes sense but I think the other thing we have 
to ask ourselves is you know once it goes there   there you know will there be a desire to do more 
what is the cost and I remember the pul Avenue   plans that sort of floated around a few years 
back yes and they they did a uh sort of more   of a Timeless not as artistic what was it was a 
design at you know one of the intersections that   was pretty significant it was very appealing if 
I recall but um that idea about beautifying the   intersections um I think ongoing it will be 
really important because once it starts to   you know fade as we know and now you've got a lot 
and so um I thought that's where city manager was   going to go that's why black and white piano keys 
very simple but yeah there do that ourselves and   I think we keep up with it yeah we have to as 
we look at things like this that beautify our   city we have have to really ask ourselves 
and our citizens you know how much are you   willing to pay to keep this going because every 
project that we bring in that adds something to   our city has to be paid for over its lifetime 
and so maintenance is a huge thing to me what   is that going to cost you know in the long run 
so I'm I look at long run and big picture so   where it's really Gorge and I can see a peacock 
at some intersection near Harbor Heights Mickey   I can see the peacock we have to keep it beautiful 
because as you add all of these things and also I   would think that City branding we would want 
to make sure we're staying in line with City   branding if that's been defined so in addition 
to um protecting and preserving let's bring back   information on om andm on an annual basis for 
say one intersection I know we could get it   right we'll figure I think it's it's beautiful to 
to to do that is a peacock right there isn't it   Tampa y yeah some cities have done these on 
a temporary basis too understanding that it   would be incurring long-term maintenance so they 
would get a grant or some donation for a local   artist to do it on a temporary basis to raise 
awareness for various issues so that could also   be some type of expiration too cool thank you you 
that's all I got for you and mayor we're ready to   move on to the next Department unless you want 
to take another break Council keep going do we need good keep moving I think if it's 
okay with you mayor I can step out for   my break and we can have Jessica come 
up and start or Molly Molly's next I'm sorry I don't think Jessica want 
wants to submit Molly so present   and Molly you'll start with the canaval 
city park concession stand idea I'll be   right back yes and it is Workshop if 
anyone needs to step out obviously informal we're we're still here with you m understood oh Lisa Lisa can help so Al righty 
when we come back we should just say all right   that was great right yeah y adjourned all right 
so the first one we will start with is not new   it's not an update it's actually a reboot so 
as we have talked about um a couple different   projects that have taken longer than expected 
this is um this is one of those we have had um   a couple different challenges uh we knew there 
was a need for um kind of an updated space at   the uh Canaveral City Park ball field to uh do 
the announces the the announcing for the games   and a space where they can actually have a a 
brick and mortar place to do concession sales   which is as many of you know pretty important 
to helping to fund different uh Youth Athletic   organizations so the first time that this project 
was proposed which was I believe fiscal year 2122   that was uh before I took owners or took over 
in this department um there were some unknowns   and there was some challenges with the site that 
required us to kind of take a step back from what   was originally being considered the original 
idea was to install a a prefab building kind   of a drop in place type of structure and the more 
we considered the needs that both um the city and   little league had for the building and the harder 
we looked at the space that it that that building   needed to fit within it became apparent that a 
drop in place structure like our um uh outdoor   restroom facility at canaval city park wasn't 
going to fit um there's trees that would have   to move there's um a modern day setbacks that 
we would have to accommodate so uh we also had   to consider uh timing in anything that we do 
uh regarding the ball field because we need   to have it completed in between Seasons so it 
doesn't interrupt their games or their access   to the field um so with Todd's help you can see 
uh from your slide there that we've got a a good   rough design and it's a unique design and it not 
only adds a little character to the space uh but   it also helps conform to our coats because part of 
that tyght fit that we had there is it's already   on a corner it's kind of placed at a 45 degree 
angle to the corner and we have setbacks that   that that we can't block so we couldn't build 
out too far into those setback areas I believe   we have a a TW foot maximum where we can exceed 
that but you barely have that with the cone of   visibility at the intersection itself so whatever 
we put there um needed to meet everybody's needs   needed to meet the needs of the space and and 
still be something that um that was useful so   if you if you noticed the design itself is shaped 
like home plate and it's the the angles of that   extended roof structure which would be a covered 
area where people could you know come up and get   their concessions um that's what helped us fit 
within that very narrow corner so um the update   ated costs um will include uh design engineering 
and demolition of the existing structure and this   will be very much a design build project where 
the person that will be doing the work is going   to flesh out the designs that we have um already 
prepared and give us a you know an updated scope   of what that's going to look like and then we 
go from there questions Molly on page 53 what   I'm seeing is for electric vehicles that 
do I have something wrong on the financial   piece of this I think there was an updated a 
couple updated pages okay thank you that helps me um I have a couple questions or a couple things 
to say anyway um this is one of the projects that   has been kicked down the road several times um 
and I hope that in this budget you know I know   that once we get to the budget part there'll be 
cuts and things we'll have to do to maintain our   low tax rate I hope that this is not one of them 
um you know it's a sense of place definitely in   that in the right pillar and um I think it's 
a real important part of quality of life in   our city for the children you know we say that 
that area C5 is a multi-generation center um   you know we need a concession stand there uh 
we've missed out on opening day uh Ceremonies   for this uh baseball and parades and stuff that 
add quality of life to our city as well um the   one thing I don't understand and I I guess I 
don't know but the old you know we've taken   things away from we took the concession stand 
away we took the other baseball field away um   the old concession stand was definitely blight 
it was horrible the this um announcers Booth   is blight horrible needs to be done I don't 
understand how a lightning rod can get funded   by the CRA and not a concession stand that's in 
the CRA District that is definitely Improvement   um I I I don't understand that and the delays 
again has brought the cost extremely high you   know we were hoping to do something like you said 
Molly prefabricated obviously it didn't fit in the   dimensions that we needed it but I think we 
have waited so long now it's $300,000 for a   concession stand even the prefabs back then came 
in much higher than what was originally outlined   in the budget but I mean delays delays delays 
and and this is my whole beef on is now that   we have new projects Civic Hub and all things 
that absolutely need to be done but why do they   take president over something that we've been 
we took it away a concession stand we need to   replace it back for the residents of the city 
so you know I'm just hoping that Council will   see that this is a well needed thing and funded 
this year um and again I do not understand how a   lightning rod gets funded through CRA and not 
a blighted building that's in the CRA that's   all I got to say thank you Molly for this it's 
a great plan I hope it comes through and it's   well needed um it is a sense of place for our 
city a great place to go get a great hot dog   and watch a little leagues play baseball 
it's part of our small town field so thank you any other I have some comments on this 
one the the so the design and Engineering   is 10,000 budgeted roughly Bud demolitions five 
the timeline to get engineering did you go over   that or did I miss that what do we thinking 
it wouldn't really start until this would be   a design build so I would work with Tim and Todd 
to put together a full scope for the bid package   and the person that will be doing the design is 
going to be the person that's going to do the building so we would internally share you know 
we want this uh in concept and then they would   bid on making that a professional 
design and actually constructing it yes M yes my thought was if we could just hit 
the gas pedal and get the design done soon and   not make it a design build and just say we just 
need engineered design plans we can get those   earlier because that would allow us I think to 
still do the same thing I I suppose maybe paid   a little bit more but I think this is an update 
this is something we last year we I think really   supported cut it was removed last year because we 
had so many things to work out and as far as the   because even after we we started to find um a a 
building style or a mechanism to to fit within a   a reasonable budget then we had to step back and 
look at okay what does Little League need this   space to do for them what does the city need the 
space to do for them and how can we make it meet   codes because currently that building I mean it's 
literally built from old telephone polls so it's   obviously in need of some some Modern attention 
and and this would the goal would be that it's a   fully functioning concession stand with uh enough 
Electrical uh hot water all the amenities to serve   a the one thing you won't have is air condition 
dog at the ball game you know get it the one   thing you won't have is air conditioning though 
there'll be a fans passive ventilation but no   air conditioning what's the reason for that um we 
just didn't think it we needed it here because the   windows are going to be open a lot of the time 
when it's in operation anyways okay just just   making sure it wasn't du to wasn't capable I guess 
you could always come in with a tower unit or   something after oh sure I think it's split another 
thing that uh we did with W andj when we were   doing that cast in place con concrete bathroom 
out there we had to run sewer and water to that   we had them stub it out the sewer to the north of 
that so that will just continue to run up behind   the the stands up to this area so we have sewer 
serving this building that's great I'd like to do   whatever we can to see this get finished I know 
heard your comments about you know taxes and and   being able to support these are I'm happy to see 
this of course it's more uh but we really don't   know a whole lot yet the going back to the design 
and this is all I want to say if I was looking at   that um aerial on the actual if that was laid 
over the property is it going right behind the   back stop where the existing or redevelop I mean 
I actually have that on my computer right now if   we want to go upstairs I can show it to you 
yeah it's like a big home plate right behind   home plate so that nose is directly in line with 
the home plate and center field yes yeah the the   um point of the home plate part of the building is 
actually pointing towards the intersection because   one of the issues we had was the setbacks on that 
intersection section so we had to slim that side   of the design so that we it's very tight sight 
oh you've got sidewalks going down both sides   there sidewalks stop sign trees so if you would 
have put are we going to have to move any of the   trees there or is this going to fit in then it 
might there's Palms in that immediate area those   would be the only ones that would potentially 
um be moved moved and another question I didn't   mean to interrupt the poles that the that 
it's built on now are not owned by fpnl are they that could be the big 
surprise that holds it up   even longer if they have to come back and remove those my the the top of the the nose of the 
plate that in this design is that oriented   facing the intersection or facing center 
field facing the intersection section okay   so it fits the Contour in the shape 
of the diamond yes and then it fits   also within the the setbacks that we have 
on either side of those okay that way the   visibility triangle and all that comply 
with that it's a very custom building   for a custom tight site so it's like the the 
home plate it's facing it's back to back okay okay interesting thank you I um whatever we can 
do to to get it moving uh I would support but   this is just to present and all right thank 
you thank you and moving on Molly your next   one is canaval city park re development devel all 
right so this is another one um it's been on the   books for a few years now uh with last year um 
if you put your put your budget book from this   this year side by side with this one you'll see 
that we've kind of rearranged the phases one of   the reasons for rearranging the phases was that 
um with some other more pressing priorities for   the this particular upcoming fiscal year and 
then obviously the one that we're in now um the   question from Council was can the playground 
be pushed out and at that time we said it the   replacement is coming the replacement needs to 
come relatively soon but yes we can we can make   it another year or so so um following that Year's 
Workshop we pushed it out so that we could focus   resources to address other issues that were based 
on community feedback which is uh some lighting in   on the inside of the park so that people can kind 
of see in there when the park is supposed to be   closed to see if there's motion to see if you know 
law enforcement needs to be called um and then   also completing that fencing so the lights around 
arrived I think last week and we're on schedule   to do the fencing so that'll be completed within 
the next couple weeks um and that leaves us to   what is now called phase two and that's proposed 
for the upcoming budget year and that's going to   help us facilitate events and activities in 
that big green space um without having cords   running across sidewalks without having to take 
every rug out of the C5 and Nancy Hansen to make   sure that there's no trip hazards because at 
this point there's only two power sources on   the exterior of that entire space one of which 
is the pole over by Sandpiper and the the big   tall pole I'm not sure what purpose it served in 
the past outdoor lighting the the big I think that   was left over from the old Ballfield lighting 
maybe um and then you have the plugs that are   attached to the building that's why if you've 
ever noticed when we're doing events out there   that require power we're either up against the 
building or we're up against the playground we   don't have really any options in between unless 
we're running miles of power courts so that um   has been proposed for fiscal year 2425 and then 
the playground equipment and resurfacing um that   has been proposed for 2526 and um when we get to 
that year it'll be uh one of the main priorities   on this property because we're already having 
issues getting replacement parts for the existing   equipment and I don't anticipate that we're 
going to be able to get those for much longer   so uh if you don't have the right parts to fix 
the equipment the equipment will become unsafe   and we'll have to remove it and I don't really 
want to take anything away until I'm ready to   replace so is there funding available for 
playground there is and by having this uh   situated in fiscal year 2526 that gives us um 
uh the the grant stuff for fap who's paid for   the majority of the city's parks and specifically 
playground elements uh benches stuff like that um   that is getting ready to open so that I can start 
looking for that and we might even depending upon   as Zach said it's the state um depending upon how 
they decide to fund things if some other St state   level priorities come up and they kind of scale 
back on the fur app we could have two Grant Cycles   before we would ever need to actually you know 
issue the PO to order the equipment so there's   there's advantages in phasing things I do it in 
my own house and I I try to do it here as much as possible I've got a a statement question concern 
that I've heard from the public um regarding the   C5 area when we have events out in the Green Space 
can we not Orient those events so that anyone with   any disability or mobility issues can utilize 
the sidewalks to get to them because anytime we   have an event it is focused to the middle of the 
Green Space which makes it difficult for anybody   to get around to it and we have so much I mean 
it's great looking Landscaping but it prevents   anybody from getting in as well and that's one of 
the things that I've really wanted to address in   the the coming budget year that I was planning on 
putting in my just general building and grounds   is I the the design for that Landscaping looked 
great on paper but now that we're we've been in   the building for about a year and we're trying 
to navigate through it it's like I'm having to   jump over bushes so so we need to have some 
clear Pathways and one of my um one of my   plans and working on this updated budget is to 
work with IM and and kind of reimagine some of   the plans because obviously some of them didn't 
work out uh we had to change our irrigation in   those areas because of the state requirements 
for the splash pad we use reclaimed water they   weren't a huge fan of that potentially getting 
into the recirculation system so I don't know   um I wasn't part of that planning part where 
they discussed Landscaping versus irrigation so   I don't know if once they changed the irrigation 
they updated what plants they were going with but   either way we've got some some nons survivors and 
those are in my mind um making opportunity points   for we where we can build some connectivity where 
it's easier to get from sidewalk to event space   okay well just just so we can look at it and and 
make it a little more accessible and even on our   handicap parking as well see how we navigate 
that I think that might need to be looked at again any other questions on this one thank you 
Molly moving on Civic Hub and I know we are going   to get a presentation from kimley horn again 
at the April council meeting on this as well   all right so um you've got a pretty good recap 
as far far as the history of the project going   back to the 2021 strategic planning Retreat 
the demolishing of the old structure that was   there at 744 and um this particular project 
as we've already mentioned it I think three   or four times in the different um the different 
Department's presentation so far that uh this   touches a lot of things this touches storm 
water this touches uh definitely touches on   the presidential streets because there's a 
presidential Street on either side of this   property and um the focus for the upcoming fiscal 
year is settled firmly on the storm water designs   and and and getting our ducks in a row to make 
the necessary storm water improvements so um for   that if you have any specific questions on 
that I'm going to have to tap my friend Tim   to to help out with uh with any of that Molly I 
think it would help if we talk about the phases   if we go to the next slide Daniel so this this 
is how we're breaking it into phases the phase   one was the preliminary that was the purchase 
and the demo that Molly talked about phase two   is the conceptual plan the pretty pictures that 
is what is going to be delivered by kimley horn   in April uh for Council acceptance then phase 
three is the underground storm water phase and   there's two pieces of this there's the design 
of the underground storm water on that one the   current approved fiscal year 2324 budget includes 
$150,000 for demolition of Select elements and   preparation for the storm water project 
it's proposed that instead this $150,000   be utilized towards the storm water design in 
2324 um and kimley Horn has indicated they can   come in under budget with that then Part B to 
that would be the next year underground storm   water construction the approved 2324 budget 
includes $ 1,50,000 programmed for the next   fisal year for construction of storm water 
Improvement so our recommendation is that   remain as is and be unchanged then final 
phases are the above ground improvements   there's the design is a and the construction is 
B and that we are putting status to be addressed   in future budgets because right now we're just 
wanting to focus on getting the storm water done the thank you very much the that last senat 
you read the approved fiscal year 2324 budget   includes 1,50,000 programmed for 2425 what do 
you me what is programmed mean it's already   in the current existing budget for 2425 
it's in the CIP yes sir but it's not in   that in the current year budget correct 
right okay and but obviously it's 232 or   yeah 24 now this uh budget season coming up 
upon us right it would essentially move into   this year's in the new in the upcoming 
budget yes and we would then uh vote for   that yes sir okay thank you any questions 
Council comments far as time we are at 406 PM okay mayor there's nothing else we can move 
on to the next one good good good yes sir thank   you okay next one is um cool little golf cart 
Vehicles all right so this is um this is kind of   another ongoing one uh going back to last fiscal 
year which was uh 2223 um this department uh set   about a plan to replace uh three of its aging um 
vehicles and the first one we replaced uh was a   old maintenance truck that was inherited by us 
from public works I believe it was a 2006 I'm   not sure that was replaced with a new Ford hybrid 
F150 um for this budget year 2324 we replaced the   or our awaiting delivery on the replacement for 
Ian's maintenance vehicle of 2014 Nissan Frontier   and we're getting uh the same thing only a 2024 uh 
Ford F-150 hybrid and that leaves our little 2014   Jeep Liberty um one of the challenges that we have 
with the Jeep Liberty right now is it doesn't get   driven as much as it needs to to be to to stay in 
good maintenance we do our we do our oil changes   we do everything we're supposed to do but when a 
vehicle just sits it's not good for it in a long   term so when I took a step back and looked at 
what would be a more useful vehicle for my team   to run between buildings to pick up deposits to 
move equipment to run speakers and podiums from   one event to the next event within an hour um 
and with the adoption uh by Council of of golf   cart um procedures for the city and and areas that 
we can operate in it made more sense that instead   of getting one 30 to $40,000 vehicle that may 
not get as much use to get two smaller electric   vehicles that we can be up around town in that 
don't have the large scale vehicle maintenance   needs the fuel needs and all of that and we can 
use it to um haul people we can use it to haul   staff we can use it um for a variety of things 
and having two of them both facil ities will be   able to both parts of the municipal campus will 
be able to be traveled to without having to have   one person walk over to Nancy Hansen grab the 
Jeep and then go run to wherever they need to go and the price that's set um that that appears 
here the 40,000 is for two of them and that is   built out with all of the full specs that would 
make it um uh not only street legal for the city   but also include roll Downs so it can be used in 
in rainy weather anything else oh would this be   a low speed vehicle or a golf cart I don't really 
know so the the lows speed vehicles have to stay   licensed with the state and they can go on any 
roadway that designated speed limits um golf   carts not approved by the states not licensed 
by the states it's our program that we have can   only go in those those roads designated for golf 
carts that's all you need to go is on the roads   designated for golf carts correct so this doesn't 
need to be a low speed vehicle not technically   if we ever needed to can and I don't remember 
because there was so much back and forth can a   a golf cart cross at Central there's no Crossing 
there's no Crossing Okay then if we ever needed   to take a one of our vehicles to go to Manatee 
to go to banana or the plant we would just use   one of our maintenance vehicles or uh the van 
that we purchased for our camps that's one of   the limitations of golf carts is they can't 
cross A1A unless they're on a trailer and we   have and we have solutions for that so M have 
a question if you say like to move equipment   and everything wouldn't it would it my question 
is would it be better to buy one six-seater and   then one with a utility back um both of the ones 
that I'm looking at the back seat folds down so   you can hold so you can carry things because 
yeah nine times out of 10 it's going to be a   piece of equipment and not a person but I'd like 
the flexibility yeah it folds down okay thank you   I don't see anywhere to put my golf clubs you 
might have to fold down that back thing you   can't get to a golf course from here that's 
true that's true oh yeah we also don't have   a golf course I have to walk to the putting green 
now the CIP for Golf Course isn't in this year's bu I don't know what kind of land Redevelopment   we could do to get a golf course 
so you 3D print it right out in the good one thank you m any other questions on 
the exciting topic of golf carts moving on uh   we're at mandatary Sanctuary Park infrastructure 
upgrades all right so um in my conversations with   Todd um and and how I'm kind of strategizing 
my Capital Improvement plans my projects going   forward is like I said earlier I do try to phase 
things and we have facilities that are always   going to need some level of Maintenance there's 
a lot of facilities especially after two years   of pandemic that didn't get all the attention 
that they needed and there's some things that   are just plain old so um what I've got on as far 
as like the next uh three years Vision forward for   Manatee Sanctuary Park as you may recall um in 
the last two years we have done the structural   repairs that were needed for the boardwalk we 
have repaired the root damage along the pedway   we have uh resealed the top coat for the entire 
pedway and did some some minor cosmetic upgrades   that were really needed in the bathrooms there's 
still more work to do um our environment even in   enclosed buildings are not kind to um Plumbing 
fixtures uh faucets anything like that so those   those corrode very quickly and when they fail 
they leak when they leak they cost money and   it's it's better to just try to stay on top of it 
so um the current what I see as the most pressing   need in that um in that scope for that Park is 
our parking lot light fixtures the lights that   were installed out there um were installed in 
2013 the these same lights from what I have uh   learned from infrastructure maintenance have been 
replaced in other areas of the city as well um we   are getting uh increased frequency of reports 
of them either not coming on not ever being on   um and so forth so so I worked with uh Zach to um 
get some quotes and we determined that $330,000   should more than address the replacement of the 
fixtures out there so that we have uh proper   lighting um going forward the next um item that 
I'd like to really examine is some of the park   Furniture mainly the picnic tables and I'd like to 
include in in the new purchases um additional Ada   accommodating picnic tables I think currently 
there's two over there and I think we could do   better um and then lastly the uh replacement 
of any electrical components that are rusted   out and to include the uh conduit that's visible 
from inside the The Pavilion what was installed   once upon a time I think what back in the 90s 
no it was early 2000s early 2000s um was steel   so it's it's pretty well rusted through it 
would be replaced with rigid plastic conduit fittings but those are those are that's 
my vision for future maintenance major   future maintenance needs at manate Sanctuary park there great any questions on that one comments 
okay moving on to banana kayak Trail master plan   all right this is kind of a fun one um much like 
everything else I do it kind of overlaps um a   couple different departments a couple different 
projects and a couple different needs um first   and foremost I think the the idea of this kayak 
um this kayak Trail came long before me and one   of the things that it uh really tied into was 
some of the plans that have been discussed for   the aquarium and one of those things that the 
aquarium has discussed doing is adding a kayak   launch there so we have a kayak launch immediately 
south of that property at Banana River Park which   is very well utilized um and the idea that that 
this came from was to connect additional passive   parks along the Route South um to make a state 
designated Trail along the Banana River that   actually LED you down to Coco Beach where there 
was periodic stops along the way um when this   plan was presented to me it occurred to me that 
this could also help me deal with a couple issues   that I have both at Manatee Sanctuary Park and 
a similar issue that I have at Center Street one   of the issues that we've always had at Manatee is 
that the boardwalk occupies the entire length of   the property and then there's some fairly thick 
vegetation which we know is very important to   maintain said vegetation to maintain you know the 
Integrity of that Shoreline but that doesn't stop   people from ducking underneath the uh Pavilion 
there and going out and Fishing Off The Rocks   which is obviously less than safe never mind 
whatever is living underneath the um Boardwalk   but then you're standing on raw coina and you know 
fishing casting Nets whatever you're doing so if   people are going to do it and there's no way I'm 
going to stop it one of my thoughts was to create   a space off that Boardwalk where people can have 
access to the water in a safe Manner and maybe   they'll stop ducking underneath the boardwalk 
because they're leaving trash under there it   you know if they're messing with the rocks that 
does threaten our Shoreline and that's something   that ties into Center Street Park where we do 
have a constant need to refurbish and check on   that Shoreline right there because there's 
not much to it and it does erode frequently   and that's another place where people are trying 
to access the water and it's not really designed   for people to do that it's more of a a nice place 
to sit a nice place to reflect and a nice place   to look out but it's not a nice place to try to 
launch a kayak and people are still trying to   do it so if they're just going to do it then uh 
especially at Center Street Park that gives us an   opportunity to do some Shoreline reinforcement and 
to protect what's there from further damage from misuse so in 2627 you'd have $150,000 for man 
Sanctuary Park to create that space that does   both the kayak launch but also a place people 
could do whatever they're going to do anyways   do whatever they're going to do anyways in a safe 
Manner and not standing on rocks and I I inflated   some of these numbers a little bit because I 
really didn't know what I was going to be looking   at because obviously any improvements of this 
nature do need to go through St John's and they   just sound expensive so I threw a little bit extra 
in there for permitting but this is obviously uh   a ways out um I don't have anything proposed for 
this until 2016 27 but I thought it was important   to put on your radar and um kind of include it 
in the thought process as we look at um different   Shoreline Solutions because it's not just the 
environment we have to protect ourselves against   it's also people wanting to use that Shoreline and 
it's not really in a good position for them to do   so safely for the shoreline or themselves in the 
following year you talk about Center Street Park   um engineering permitting and also um Construction 
Services I'm assuming that's the 60 G uh what's   happening at Center Street Park what are people 
doing out there right now um I make signs no one   reads them um we've had issues with uh primarily 
people trying to launch small boats and kayaks out   of there we've received complaints we do have um a 
a local uh franchise holder that has delivered out   there and we even had to approach him and say Hey 
you know it's on the sign you guys have basically   one place that you can actually launch kayaks from 
this on city property and it needs to kind of stay   like that until there's actual infrastructure 
there to make that safe so um between that and   then of course whenever we have a good storm 
we get a lot of wash out right there and end   up having to go back in and fill in the holes or 
push the Rocks back in place because the Rocks   there are actually relatively small M I apologize 
this isn't a gacha question but it just occurred   to me the banana I'm sorry manity Sanctuary Park 
was fap funded and there significant restrictions   on what we can and cannot do there does this 
fall within what we're allowed to do at manity   Sanctuary yes it doesn't involve uh charging 
anyone as long as we don't start charging to   use the the kayak launch it won't be an issue 
it'll only be expanding what the park has to   offer in terms of recreation and likewise salon 
on the river donated the property that is Center   Street park right now I don't believe there's 
any conditions on that one I don't think there's   any current conditions the only thing that I ever 
heard associated with Center Street Park is that   um and and this is probably decades ago is that 
there was supposed to be some planting of seagrass   in the vicinity um that's the only condition 
that I've ever ever heard out there thank you any uh questions on this uh thank you very 
high level this is the first year I think we I   remember talking about you know this concept but 
really we're looking at at this stage Manatee   Sanctuary Park and Center Street Park roughly 
150,000 for the engineering permitting and bid   and then 75,000 I think I guess the construction 
just doing a 5050 and then the same enhancements   at Center Street and then would B yeah um the 
aquarium I think you were saying would that   would be like the northern the northern Point 
yeah that's great any questions Council thank   you and hopefully then we can get Coco Beach 
to play along okay moving on mayor uh City   Park tennis courts proposal all right so I was 
asked to present this one as a possible project   for your consideration and this actually um came 
out of a multitude of feedback that we got during   our Civic Hub Outreach sessions um this would help 
to provide a dedicated space for both pickle ball   and tennis and alleviate the demand conflicts 
that are ongoing at the Nancy Hansen Recreation   complex um it could um obviously everything is 
conjecture but it could could help us um build   our our current tennis capacity if you will and 
attract more teams it could help us build our   pickle ball capacity by having dedicated and 
separate Courts for separate areas for those   two and the reason that we um leaned towards 
tennis at this facility and not at the Nancy   Hansen was there's currently one problem that 
this city doesn't have with pickle ball when   you look at the the the issues that are going 
on Nationwide that councils like yourself are   having to to mitigate for recreation districts and 
departments and that's we don't really have any   complaints from residents about the noise of the 
paddles and if we were to introduce pickle ball   in the middle of canabal city park we would add 
one more problem to our complaint list because it   would just reverberate off of all of those houses 
and and could be disruptive so we lean towards   tennis um in this there's a lot of engineering 
that's going to be involved to prevent impact on   the exfiltration system below but Kim leorn gave 
us some preliminary calculations and they believe   it to be a feasible project for this location if 
you decide to explore it further a little further   context I can add there as Molly said there was 
there was quite a bit of feedback um about pickle   ball and tennis and the conflict generally can be 
described described as the tennis players don't   want the pickle Ballers there and the pickle 
Ballers don't want the tennis players there and   they both both groups have said we want our own 
facilities so we're trying to please everybody   here and we know you can't when you try to do 
that you can't please anybody so we looked at   well where could tennis go and we looked at all 
of the facilities that we have and we realiz we   recognize that there's a limitation that we have 
to have at least three tennis courts because of   what Molly uh the the current if if we're just 
looking at our current needs um we need a minimum   of three for the USA teams USA teams and the only 
place we can fit three tennis courts is at the   C5 canaval Park event lawn so we already know 
that would be pushed back potentially from the   neighborhood there too to introduce tennis there 
so this is a this is a tough one you know got our playall the Green Space could in front of the 
C5 where we were talking about events earlier run   electrical the um the initial discussions for 
is for this to be towards the south end of that   in the in the large yes in the large rectangular 
space what about the vaults underneath a million   times that we couldn't put anything on that green 
space because water that's where kimley horn and   their engineering magic is going to have to come 
in because it will require some some substantial   engineering work to be done to make sure that 
those are are kept and it's not so much I'm sorry   it's not so much the water flowing in because the 
water flows in from the streets and goes and also   from the put in from the um reclaimed water it's 
it's the concern about the weight capacity on top   of it so whatever is designed here has to meet 
the the loading weight limits of that and there's   concrete put into the ground for fence poles 
and lights they need to be in places that do   not conflict with Vault locations so that's 
the engineering we're talking about I think after that would involve this idea to decide 
to keep tennis courts over there or however   we it up that may be what we have to do the 
the community asked the question so we put   it to the council is this something you want to 
look into and another question you know it's the   time of the year when the snowbirds start going 
home do we still have the pickle ball problem   during the summer as well we actually um are I I 
I can't even imagine going out there and playing   on that court in July but we just had another um 
tennis team approach us from USA League to start   up a summer league usually um well at least in 
years past obviously the pick ball thing really   emerged you know out of the pandemic and people 
needing to get outdoors and and things like that   um but it's like the summertime was almost 
their safe Zone because a lot of the tennis   teams didn't play at that time they usually take 
a break in the summer and then they take a break   around the holidays and now we're going to start 
having more conflicts over the summer because I   mean that was basically almost free game out 
there for another summertime storm of yeah yes   hurricane pickleball though I mean even in the 
offse well there's more there's more old the   older people there's more older people than 
younger people and they and they're playing   and they all want to play I mean this is this is 
big this is getting people out like Molly said I   was reading some stuff on this it is amazing 
the number of people who want to and and if   you look um if you looked on any of our um our 
our followup from the paddle battle one of the   things that kind of struck me about the photos 
and even though I I I stopped by that day and   I watched a couple people play when I saw the 
photos of the you know the group photos of the   teams and the winners and all that the age group 
has has expanded and there's a lot more younger   people playing so um our our demographics 
there are are changing the um the sport   is growing and we just need to figure out how 
best to accommodate you know everybody and it   wouldn't work at a Banana River Park couldn't 
get the three tennis courts out there plus   wouldn't you need wouldn't you need staff to be 
in proximity right pref it's it's a preference   there's there's mechanisms that you could put in 
place but it's it's preferable to have a staff   presence there at least to control the space 
you said three esorts yes is that what it is M the minimum for USA is three the minimum to 
accommodate our how would they be oriented on   the proposed space it's a rectangular Green 
Space uh east to west they' just be stack if   I was playing tennis would I face the beach 
or face West or would I be facing north south   east west okay they would take up about a 
third 2third of that space maybe a little   more literally move two3 of a green space yeah 
so literally the the west side of that space on   the the space where we have the sidewalk it's 
the Green Space opposite of city of the park   the playground right yes and we' take up two3 of 
that just about if not a little more thank you   yeah it's it's an impactful project that's why 
it's uh coming to you it would be controversial   it' be interesting to see what the expense is 
for the engineering to put that weight on that field something to consider um if there's no other 
questions mayor no sirk next up is a Center Street   Center Street Park upgrades easier yeah this 
one's a little less intense and and definitely   not as controversial um so like the um upgrades 
proposed for manit Sanctuary Park this plan looks   to address U an an approaching issue but it's a 
rapidly approaching issue and this issue happens   to be the primary piece of infrastructure in 
this park um the current gazebo is uh slowly   succumbing to the Salt environment uh from a 
distance it actually looks really good um when   you start actually getting up there and for me 
I'm short so I actually have to zoom um on my   camera it's it's not good it's a lot of the 
hardware pieces have been um rusted replaced   and and now are rusting again and um it's 
it borders on isore but eventually it will   become a safety risk um the proposed plan uh 
will replace the structure with something a   with a little more longevity and a lot less 
maintenance one of the ideas that has been in   the back of my mind for many years as soon as 
I saw the condition of it and really realized   what it meant for the future of that Park is 
if you're familiar with the gazebo in my Tharp   Square where it's constructed a little bit more 
like our Pavilions where there's a little more   wood there's a lot less metal I mean this thing 
is literally all metal and if you actually look   at the the seating in it it's like bleachers so 
it's it's like a whole bunch of little pieces   it's been frankensteined a little bit over the 
years and it's it's time to get something that's   nice but manageable and then if we're looking to 
do more uh Shoreline stuff there if we actually   move forward with the the kayak launch we'll want 
something that's a little bit more substantial and   um less less concern when it comes to rusting 
out so is this for the gaze to rebuild a gazebo mm for 2526 and how how large how many feet across 
is that Gazo I'm not sure I'm not sure yeah   that's this is this is a golden Hammer to me 
cuz we I know someone that had one done in   20,000 did it so boy this is a huge amount 
to me but I don't know the specifics and   I goes into and and I don't know what design 
we're going to land on because there's a lot   of research to go into it and I'd rather aim 
high because we've learned our lesson about   aiming low and there's a gas line that runs 
directly underneath it that's probably going   to be super fun um so there's uh there's there's 
under ground infrastructure there and as you know   they're actually working on a tidal valve title 
valve a tidal valve pump that actually has more   infrastructure so whatever we put in that space 
we're going to have to install rather delicately   thank you you're welcome with the my thought 
was with the installation of the tidle valve   and the pump and all the things we're talking 
about around that area would that have already   required this to be demolished for any or did 
did I I believe the title valve is not going   riverward of the baffle box correct correct 
Tim the title valve is landw of the baffle box right your leg fell asleep some Y and that was 
something that I approached him with when he was   telling our group about the tidal valve I was 
like oh is are what what happens to my gazebo   do you need to move it so right all right so 
the title valve actually everything's going to   be underground and the pump is actually going 
to be where the lift station is so when we're   done with what we're doing nothing's changed 
it's all underground so it's all landward of   the baffle box uh it's going to be on the south 
side of the baffle box it's an 18 in or I think   a 16 in pipe and it's going to back tree is the 
oak tree with the bushes around it that's where   it's going to tie back into the 54 inch height 
and then that's where just behind where that   ties in is where the way Pro Valley is going to 
be that's west of the Baff east of the baffle   box that is west of the ba box okay okay so it 
is it is in the park vicinity got behind the fence so would the would the Gazebo need to come 
up to do any of that work is the question no but   here are my thoughts on that and I think I had 
mentioned it to Molly that if console decides   they want to go forward with getting this removed 
and replaced uh the contractor that I have out   there doing the work on the Center Street Pump 
Station I had kind of put a little bug in his   ear and said well hey if if we decide or if the 
council decides they want this removed did notice   that I think you have it for next fiscal year or 
this fiscal year for next yeah not this coming not   unless everybody's really excited but if it's a a 
hazard um they would be willing to remove it but   that is totally up to you guys I don't think we're 
saying it's a safety hazard right now not yet   wouldn't wouldn't the we want to tie this into the 
kayak traal yeah at least somewhat I mean is an   improvement so I mean is there a necessity for it 
to be a gazebo not necessarily I mean if we were   going to put out a kayak launch area wouldn't you 
need it a little more open than having a gazebo   there good I mean you could even do um maybe some 
kind of a wood structure out there that had a   cover over it at the kayak launch point because 
as it stands now what they what they tend to do   um what the neighbors have reported is the the 
current gazebo it just has a concrete floor it's   just a straight you know straight off the sidewalk 
into it you can walk through it as long as you're   not going side by side you can carry your kayak 
right through it right now or people will walk   around depending upon how big their kayak is but 
um but when we when we get around to putting in   the kayak area where that's that's not what we're 
going to want probably not um I mean judging from   the aerial view it looks like that gazebo is about 
15 ft in diameter that's a good estimate um I but   I think your point is a good one that whatever 
kayak launch facility we do could take the place   of the need to have a gazebo yes I I I just I just 
think a nice uh track type deck out into the river   would with maybe some built-in benches or whatever 
along the sides would suffice but that's just me   and there are nice trees around that area um that 
are only going to get nicer so that that could   provide the shade and rest bit that people needed 
if they needed to use that particular kayak as a   stopping point are they considering I mean like 
I know vanity Park they have access to bathro want consideration for that uh 
I have not considered that just   due to the size of the space and the 
proximity to the the condos and the residential u i see Dr Roberts's hands 
raised if you would like to speak and if   it's more comfortable I can repeat what you 
say into the mic if you're comfortable there yes than thank you yes so I think the community 
feedback is that uh some events such as weddings   um and and just the awareness of using it as a 
as a kayak facility is something that we need   to communicate with the community the neighbors 
nearby and talk through yeah this one uh it's this   property is mentioned three time in three it's 
kind of referenced in three projects and I think   we all agree the most important one is what Tim 
talked about the flooding and so my hope is that   that that project if if this was a hazard issue 
and and removing this would help that project   um without preventing its current use great but 
that would be under the condition that we could   when they're done uh with the Center Street pump 
or the uh title valve or whatever improvements are   needed there uh is that we would be able to you 
know restore it to whatever the community wants   and if there are no issues today I would support 
you know and this is just Citywide I know the   paint and things like that are to freshen that 
up and to make any modest repairs that we could   if it was a safety issue so that folks can enjoy 
it but if it's going to be under construction I   guess that was where I was going is the the access 
to this will that that be limited for these other   infrastructure maintenance projects will this part 
be closed while work is going on there yeah to an   extent that they'd have to part of their mot is 
that restrict Public Access so the public wouldn't   be able to access it that is a great time to make 
improvements but you don't want to paint something   that ultimately we end up going in that direction 
uh so I I just would like to see a coordination   between if we're going to do the kayak Trail 
if that is whatever that means for that Ark   that uh we tie that into any replacement of the 
Gazebo yeah if we're going to need to replace it   and in conjunction with community outreach and I 
think Dr Robert's point is a good one people go   there for weddings because it's beautiful it's 
a quaint little building it's very picturesque   especially as you get the sunsets and the photos 
and the people gathering around that but if you   introduce this kayak launch we don't want it to 
become a fishing spot where there's fishing scales   everywhere there too where people trying to have 
photos for so we have to think about the design   it still needs to be beautiful attractive space 
so people can go there for that purpose without   attracting a nuisance problem and and also we be 
increasing usability which is a good thing because   you got now not only W weddings and photos but 
you got kayak people nature enthusiasts but we   are increasing the intensity there which is a 
concern for the Condominium Association so we   need to make sure we talk to them too of course 
thank you Dr Roberts for all those comments thank   you any other comments questions thank you Molly 
okay moving on to community garden all right so   the plan that's proposed here is an attempt to 
address the issue that is the community garden   so I currently have my Advisory Board reaching 
out to Residents in their immediate neighborhoods   to kind of take the Pulse of the community on 
this Pro program um for those that are actively   engaged in the garden program it's a great thing 
it's a quality of life amenity and it's greatly   appreciated especially by those who don't have 
the ability to have their own piece of land or   dirt or even a planter box that they can you know 
grow uh either vegetable vegetables or flowers or   just even get their hands dirty the other side 
of that coin is that the original concept for   this community garden at least as it was pitched 
to me in I think 2017 I wasn't directly involved   with it but my understanding was that this 
program was going to really be spearheaded   by residents and volunteers when it came to a lot 
of the day-to-day upkeep of the beds and uh the   overall maintenance support for the program and 
over the years the interest and the engagement   in the garden has both waned um and there's not a 
lot of consistency when it comes to um people main   doing their own maintenance on their own side of 
things um the other issue is that's that's coming   up is the issue of purpose um we put out a little 
survey it's still open I'm going to leave it open   for a while um probably until right before the 
next meeting of the culture and Leisure Services   Board um so that they can sit down and kind 
of see what the the feedback has been so far   but there's there's mixed feelings about what 
purpose the garden serves or has the capacity   to serve for the larger Community right now our 
participation level is six six six gardeners so   if the facilities in need of clearly as you 
can see from the picture is a lot of love and   now that you have the construction of a car wash 
immediately adjacent there's the the idea and the   need to make necessary updates and upgrades to the 
Garden has been kind of lingering in the budget   for a few years but now our situation has changed 
and before if if it was my property before I sunk   a bunch of money into reprogramming and reworking 
the garden and improving it in its current space I   really want to see the actual day-to-day impact 
of that car wash when it's functioning um I've   already seen the impact of the construction 
process on the garden um I hope everybody's   washing their vegetables after that big cloud 
of concrete dust the past couple weeks um so uh   I think that uh this one we've got it programmed 
for this upcoming fiscal year but it may be um it   may behoove us to push it out from there and take 
our time see what the community wants to do with   it see what our engagement uh and and our interest 
level is with some maybe proposed changes as you   know driven by Community feedback um maybe we we 
put a couple little garden patches in in different   locations so it's not a single location there's a 
lot of different options to consider um but as it   sits now it needs it needs to be addressed and and 
we don't really have a clear path forward on that   so we're going to look to you for a little input 
on that as we go forward and that location if   you really look at that location now I mean you're 
going on the highway right and there it is and now   it's got a car wash next to it when Molly mentions 
maybe alternate locations or whatever I mean just   put that picture in your head you're gardening 
and there it is along the highway and there's   the there's the car wash and it just doesn't seem 
like it's in a good place right now Tex yeah it's   it's just not when you Garden you want your mind 
to be peaceful and you're GNA have car was yeah   um I'm intimately involved in that Garden space 
um my wife enjoys it looks forward to it but now   with the car wash there um I don't allow her to 
go up there without me because one you can't see   from the road what's going on back there um two 
there's a lot of dust and a lot of trash being   thrown over into the garden space from the car 
wash construction but you know that's going to   happen um I think like Molly said I think we need 
to push it out another year and uh see what other   spaces might be available to us uh there could be 
things in the future we not we're not thinking of   right now um but there could be possibilities 
but I I I don't know that sinking $90,000 into   that space is worth while uh particularly with 
the the amount of participation and the actual   yield you can get out of that space it doesn't 
serve much of a purpose other than a hobby so   yeah I live on that street and people it used to 
be occupied all the time and garden was beautiful   now I I don't see anybody there or very early 
sorry but I mean it's not utilized as much as   it used to be um some of the the other staff that 
were a little more involved with it at the time   um I I remember a considerable amount of energy 
that went behind it and we had a council member   at the time that uh donated their annual Council U 
salary Sal um to to help get it off the ground and   the the comment that kind of came up in some of 
our director's meetings was well then it was a new   toy it's not a new toy anymore so the people that 
are invested in it currently those those people   are invested in it but the uh amount of people 
that we get that either abandon the beds or they   travel so much they're not able to maintain them 
it's it's falling on staff and that was not the   intent of the the program and now we're looking 
at um you know if we want to keep this going it   it needs to make sense yeah my comments I it was 
council member MC I remember when they launched   it and he did the big check you know it was kind 
of I remember um rest in peace Jerry Samson came   in that same day with another big TR check and 
Jerry's was a lot bigger but what it was a very   sweet very awesome Vision that I think he had was 
hey to launch it and I do remember the enthusiasm   around it and I did like where it was because 
a lot of the um you know single family lots in   Harbor height it's got a little bit more space but 
when you get into some of the riverfront beautiful   the views over there on the on the Lagoon side 
folks don't have the space as much and I know   we know there's a lot of kids back there too and I 
love the idea of getting them involved but to keep   community garden going I feel very passionate 
about continuing I think that was done out of   a part of Charity and uh and I would be agreed 
on seeking this amount of money into it this   year but I would like to see um maybe just it's 
a great time to take a step back and to say other   locations what are some other successful programs 
um and look at what other communities are doing   to help access on the east side of A1A as well 
um not one or the other I think in around Cape   viewer is great opportunities I've thought about 
around mailboxes is another place that one your   shared mailboxes you got this big easement and 
it's like you go every day to check your mail you   know perfect little twoot by 6 foot uh standing 
planner box um and and perhaps we can I don't   want it to it's inactive right now if I understand 
because the construction moderately active just   wash your veggies yeah um yeah spring of the 
year it should be rocking right now February   you know the the plants that are right behind like 
literally because the front part is not blocked by   the the North End of the garden is not blocked by 
the the car wash it's mainly the South part and   that's where like the most beautiful tomato plants 
are thank you I will um and I'd love to learn more   I've never participated in it but I was always 
excited about it and I grow stuff in my backyard   and stuff and so I always thought it was fantastic 
and always wanted to expand it but I do agree that   is becoming a slip Del of that property and the 
that new use is a concern so maybe closer to   the Lagoon a quieter Place back there we can find 
well I I think if we found several places around   the city that are underutilized or something we 
can take advantage of that uh more people might   participate if it is closer to their neighborhoods 
um I mean it's right there on A1A U so and right   now there's nowhere to park if you wanted to get 
there so I know my wife was there this morning   but she was supposed to pick the broccoli so 
hopefully she did Mr Mayor it's awesome well   there'll be a vacuum there soon you could vacuum 
up your tomatoes and yeah even the um the current   design of the um the playground project which is 
almost done out there um I actually shortened the   playground space in anticipation of expanding the 
garden into the area that is now behind the car   wash May um yes I I was a participant when it 
first started and I grew some awesome tomatoes   out there but um it is getting squeezed out and it 
it doesn't it's not um in a good place right now   I had talked to Todd and Dave Dicky a while back 
about the lot next to Wagner Park is up for sale   Again by by the owners and I thought that would 
be a great place to expand a community garden   and maybe a little um playground for that part 
of the area on North Atlantic there is nothing   up there as far as playgrounds or or a community 
gu uh garden and there's a lot of there's condos   there there's mobile home parks there's people 
that live in town homes that don't have space   to grow it might be it is a low area like I 
was talking I don't know how much it would   if we would have to put more into it but that's 
something I think we should look into for for a   a location and then the part that's what's there 
now at the Garden if we took all that out I think   that long narrow space would be a great dog 
run for The Rovers West that you have I me to be yeah and I've got an update on rivers west 
coming up too so that can kind of add to your   thought process yeah that lot on um North Atlantic 
would be you know it's in front of the oldest   neighborhood in the city and there's lots of new 
kids in in Harbor Heights now and it would be an   ideal area to look into anyway could we just add 
that spot with the existing today which sounds   like it's becoming not a great spot and maybe any 
other ones you have ideas and say you're are five   yeah candidates 10 20 and maybe we don't get 
it so big it's maybe it's one Bucks you know   spread them out a little bit but I think knowing 
through that brings new challenges and you know   what is the city's role with it you maybe it's 
not as heavy as it is today uh it's more about   you know the program and the management but 
I would be uh that would be a good next step   is to find all the the sites and the fellow 
the gardeners um Paula and your wife I'm sure   that they've oh she tells me okay well thank you 
one one of the big issues with that Park is that   it's it's covered by trees and you get all these 
leaves down in there all the time time and where   do you go with them I mean I've brought a leaf 
blower out there several times and tried to blow   them away but where do you where do you blow them 
where where do you where do you send in the car wash that's why they yeah you you blow them into 
a pile and then they blow right back out so they   they have it but it doesn't and the shading 
isn't always great too but yeah well we all   have our little green thumbs up here yes thank 
you is this a consensus though that I'm hearing   that Todd did we move this thing mayor we move 
this out a year that's what I'm hearing yeah   I could we do that could we do that because 
because we will adjust that though anything   funding I would think that just identifying 
some sites in the short run right would be a   good step but nothing I think so we'll show 
it in the budget as this but we'll just move   move it out a here yes I don't think there's 
any Capital Improvement needs okay thank you   thank you mayor if there's no more discussion 
we can move on we're about two-thirds of the   way through here just being mindful of everyone's 
time uh next one is Jim Court dividers all right   so this one um not really new uh it it was in 
the uh budget for the previous year except for   the fact that it was planned for 2425 so it's not 
new it's just we' finally reached the point where   we're ready to move forward with that with your 
blessing um these dividers are definitely a um a   creature comfort for the facility they had been 
discussed uh when we were in the um the initial   planning phases but they didn't end up being 
part of the final project so the dividers for   the gymnasium will allow for multiple programs 
and types of users to utilize different spaces   of the gymnasium without necessarily interfering 
with one another and they will also allow fewer   interruptions for drop Inplay opportunities for 
um uh regular day-to-day visitors um during our   summer camp programs where participants cannot 
and really should not intermingle with the   general public this can provide a separation of 
the space so that if it's a rainy day the kids   aren't forced to just watch movies and people can 
still come in and utilize their portion of the gym any comments on this one thank you okay moving 
on um next one gwood crossover and Memorial pvers   right this one's another challenge and that's 
why we're bringing it to you so this one also   came directly from Community feedback um as 
a solution to a known and regularly reported   program uh or problem the walkway approaching 
the city's crossover that's located just north   of canabal Sands is unfortunately now known 
in the neighborhood as Cemetery row and the   this is a cumulative result of a now discontinued 
commemorative tree and bench program the previous   memorials that we used um for commemorative 
purposes throughout the city were basically   a bronze plaque affixed to a small block of 
concrete um these have inherent challenges um   concrete sinks especially little blocks of it 
the uh bronze doesn't always do so good with   our salt environment so it requires regular 
maintenance and the justification for this   project is pretty clearly outlined in the CIP um 
the problem that you don't probably or that you   aren't probably aware of is how the issues on this 
property regarding these existing memorials have   escalated over the years and um in addition to uh 
the debris and what eventually you know it starts   as flow plastic flowers but then becomes litter 
um and it's left behind by those leaving gifts or   flowers on the memorials themselves we now have a 
rogue marker that someone has installed themselves   um the program itself was discontinued in 2021 
because it became unsustainable the lead times   to get benches varied dramatically by the day 
the prices to the benches would sometimes go up   um after the person had already made the payment 
to the city so then the city was stuck holding the   the the remainder of the bill for the memorial 
benches um so we're currently working with the   city attorney to um find the best way to address 
uh especially the Rogue memorial marker that was   installed but the alternative program which is 
the pavers that we've kind of been discussing   on and off throughout uh the Veterans Memorial 
Park project we've got pavers that are in the   in front of the uh Community Center and throughout 
that space we have pavers that are throughout the   front area of the um Cape Center and also in the 
plaza so we have another option but um the issue   that we have in this particular space um might not 
it might require us to have kind of a retroactive   component to address the problems on this premise 
specifically um and those are all issues that just   relate to how the previous program was run and 
how it's kind of you know if you hear the phrase   it hasn't aged well this isn't aging well um so 
before I go into any um any further description   of this uh and and to help you guys in your um 
discussion with this very rarely do you get to   see Molly put on her anthropology archaeology 
hat normally you see me doing parks and rck   and normally you see me do on websites and social 
media but at the end of the day one of my absolute   Specialties is Cemetery preservation and uh 
Mortuary culture and one of the things that   a lot of people don't really realize because 
it's not something that people even like to   think about every day is that this city does not 
have a cemetery um we used to have one it's now   actually behind the the gate up at the um uh space 
force station um that is Cape Canaveral Community   Cemetery uh it is obviously no longer active the 
last person that went in there was a lady who got   lucky that her husband went in first because she 
passed away after the government had already taken   over that property and they allowed her to be 
buried with her husband um but beyond that um in   in in my realm and there's actually an academic 
book published on it called the last great   necessity and that is in reference to cemeteries 
it's the last the last piece of infrastructure   that any of us will ever need and um it's a fact 
of life that the living grieve for the dead um   whether you're a penguin that lost your lifemate 
or a person it's a process with known steps and   part of our particular culture specifically 
is the concept of a final resting place and as   acceptable Mortuary Customs have changed over 
the years and a lot of different um religious   denominations have loosened their restrictions on 
uh cremation and other alternative burial um or   end of life processes the grieving process that is 
inherited in our culture and all the elements that   are within that have not not caught up with our 
current practices and the realities so for that   reason you see an increased frequency of Memorial 
bumper stickers you see t-shirts and there's also   an increased demand for alternative Memorial 
infrastructure in public places because some   PE people still want that place to go that place 
to remember even if the person isn't there they   still need that as part of their their purview 
so this is not a need um that will go away in   this community for the foreseeable future and the 
changes the challenges created on this property by   the previous program will not go away without 
intervention so that is why I've um proposed   expanding what we were already planning for other 
areas to address the issues for the Neighbors in   that area that are lodging the complaints and that 
were the ones that even brought the um installed   uh personal marker to our attention so the program 
would have U pavers that are um Memorial pavers   that are paid for by the residents and installed 
by the city and maintain in perpetuity in this   same space yes um the uh difference to that for 
this particular one is that what I'm proposing   is that for the existing memorials that are along 
that road that the city cover a replacement as a   pav for those memorials that are in bad repair and 
sinking and create the look of the cemetery that   the neighbors are complaining are we talking 10 
20 50 100 how many there's like 15 okay and what   is the cost of a memorial paper um our cost would 
probably be in the 50 to $60 range okay but there   still have to be some prep of the space done to 
prepare the base imagine um well the the program   that we're going to use is we don't we're not 
purchasing special papers that have to go off   somewhere to be engraved and then be in installed 
what we're using is similar to what's actually   used in cemeteries today you say you have a stone 
that's marked for prepared for two people one   person might pass before the other once that stone 
is set that first person's name and and and dates   and respective information's already engraved they 
don't remove that stone to to bring in the second   person they come out and they etch it there and 
that's uh the the vendor that we're looking at   for that I forget the name off the top of my head 
but they are currently uh working with um the uh   Cape can Lighthouse foundation and they come out 
and they do theirs you mentioned there there are   legal issues to work through with removing other 
markers well I I wouldn't I wanted Anthony's   guidance on what to do with the one that somebody 
put there by themselves um because they literally   brought out concrete and everything um and then 
uh what if anything we needed to do in the long   term um because nothing in the previous paperwork 
that that I was privy to because obviously this   this program predates me um is if there was any 
guarantees within those previous ones for care   and perpetuity okay so the the the memorial 
paper program could go forward without having   to necessarily deal with the removal of other 
markers and other things at this at this time   they can both coexist for the time being for the 
time being but the we would need to really um we   would need to put out signage and we would need 
to uh a actively and if not aggressively enforce   the fact that people cannot leave things out on 
public property that are going to be blown into   the ocean blown into the street blown into the 
storm water system um some people have gone so   far as to hang lights in the trees so um say 
that again to do what some people have gone   so far as to hang lights in the trees so um it's 
it's really just about controlling our space and   and making the the neighborhood look the way that 
the neighbors want it nobody in that area wanted   to move next door to a cemetery otherwise they 
probably would have picked somewhere else and   the complaints that we get are are weekly when it 
comes to that thank you Mary that's a heavy very   heavy CIP item um but yeah comments um I I could 
talk more on it and I see mayor P your hand yes I   um would like to talk about it um we planted 
a tree for my brother out there sorry and a   little Memorial and it's important for us to have 
someplace to go on his birthday or whatever and um   I think to remove them would be terrible um I mean 
we've always planted like plants that go in the   ground we also paid for the tree and all those 
people that have trees in there paid for those   trees oh the trees wouldn't go anywhere just the 
just the blocks pay for the markers you know um   and I understand the neighbors saying you know 
some people get a little crazy gy and whatever   lights in the trees and things like that but um 
it is important to our family to have someplace   to go to um and like you said there is no Cemetery 
in cap Cano um and it's a hard issue uh I just   think that going in and removing the plaques and 
the things that we've paid for would be awful um   maybe the ones that are there are grandfathered 
in with certain restrictions on you can't you   know put plastic flowers and all that and then 
moving forward or do the the uh bricks but no this is north of Canaveral Sands but south of 
Royal Mansions it's right by yeah Royal mansions   and Canal SS it's one of the Crossovers that 
doesn't have a parking area and there's a big   um the the landmark for me where I know I have 
to pull over is the big peacock B crack down   there well and as someone that lives near there 
I know exactly what you're talking about with   the one that has the frame around it which I 
asked about that because my mother passed away   suddenly in 20122 and I asked the person that put 
that there because we have have a temporary stone   at my mother's grave site because I thought well 
this looks great for hers and all of this she she   literally um has said you know she told me about 
the little frame but I know of two of those out   there that have remains in them that's not legal 
now they're cremated obviously but we've switched   from having a memorial beachwalk to people 
doing what they do no remains of my no and   I'm not talking about yours yeah you back when it 
started back in the day there were very few there   and it was people that had been in this area a 
long time that their families were from the area   and all of this now it's grown to more than that 
and without the memorial stone program people are   just like oh it's okay I guess or however they 
get to that conclusion and it has become actually   I was trying to get a reservation out there for 6 
feet under and 5 foot s for when I hit by the Des   because I've been in the area a long time but 
I don't want to do the do it the that way the   problem is just like you're saying Molly is that 
this there are requirements for cemeteries you   have to have parking there are other requirements 
you and I had talked at one point about the fact   that that's a entirely um regulated industry and 
so we have to be cautious about how we handle this   so I think and one thing I loved was the the 
memorial papers over in manate park you know   there were benches that were uh donated I believe 
just like you're saying because I don't get to go   to where my mother is um I believe that you do 
need a place to be able to go to feel a sense   of being with that person or or being able to be 
near them um so I absolutely agree with that I   think it's gotten it's grown from its original 
intent but yes I mean I know because I've seen   and spoken to people that have scattered remains 
out there so now we're talking about a different thing well no I mean we're talking about a 
different thing when we look at what are we   going to do with it because now you really we 
really have remains there well I know when we   when we did it Gustavo was here and we had 
to contact Gustavo he told us we wanted to   be there yeah and there was like one or two 
more spaces left for a tree and um it had we   had to fill out an application we had to turn in 
the money whatever and buy the tree there was a   whole process so now you're saying that people 
are just going out there and one person in 2022   and I I looked up the um the obituary of the uh 
woman named and it literally listed her entire   family so I'm pretty sure we can narrow down 
who actually physically installed it but yes   they they completely circumvented City staff 
and installed memorial marker on their own at   their own expense on city property in concrete 
we approach that with Molly iously I'm sorry   I didn't mean you're talking pavers like for 
sidewalks correct doing yes like what you the   what you saw when you walked in yeah because 
um maybe I'm wrong but when one time we had a   presentation about the Civic Hub they talked 
about putting markers down and people having   um you know for that particular reason or for 
whatever reason so why couldn't we do dedicate   you know different markers and then have benches 
incorporated into the Civic Hub land that's I mean   they that's the place that would be just we'd have 
plenty of room to do the sidewalks so it's just   a thought because I think they did mention doing 
dedications pavers the Friday Fest area could be   pavers and there could be more Memorial pavers 
among them and there's Pavers at almost every   location and all the new projects that we have so 
if if you you or your loved one had a particular   affinity for Friday Fest you could be out there or 
you could if you liked you know the splash pad you   could be right there you could be at the splash 
pad forever what what I mean it if somebody's   put something on city property without permission 
isn't there a way to I mean how do we I I think I   think that's a good question but really this is 
about funding the uh the papers and I think we   can deal with that as a secondary issue but I 
just the people that went did the process and   went the right way should be able to stay and then 
move forward for this I yeah I well I think that   the removal is largely you know is is weighing 
what what we heard but it can coexist she said   yeah you you can coexist with with signage and 
enforcement um with the trees as is today yeah I   wouldn't propose removing the trees I would just 
REM propose removing the the the concrete blocks   they sink they become um unsightly after a little 
while because of the the environment and they do   require maintenance that's that's the 10 to 15 
concrete blocks with the bronze plaque we would   replace those with Memorial papers they're all 
over the city in different angles because they   sink but some of those actually have photos of 
the loved ones on them I think preserving any   tree that's been dedicated through the process 
with the plaque is very important agreed for and   now the question is what happens in you know 
with the trees live right because I think we   BR into other issues where trees in the library 
have been removed that were dedicated do we have   a responsibility you to replant that tree um so 
yep I think we should probably move on past this   one but I certainly see the challenge did not 
know about that and um whatever resources you   I think we need to be able to make it to respond 
to that issue and also hopefully figure out ways   to prevent I know that's what you're after it's 
sounds it's kind of creeped up and everyone here   I sense cares about being responsible and ethical 
and and just in everything we do here so yeah we   all carry that burden with us it's a tough is 
yeah but we're ready to move on Molly for so   Rover space West please yes much happier topic if 
you've ever been to our dog park it's the happiest   place in town um one of my favorite things and 
when I come in in the morning is watching little   happy pups drag their owners to the dog park um um 
so in saying that uh one of the things that um uh   since I became director of this department I've 
been trying to take some really critical looks   at all of our properties and identify strengths 
and weaknesses and opportunities for improvement   and one of the the areas of improvement if you 
um venture out to Patriots Park which I'm sure   you guys are all going to do soon if you haven't 
already at least to check out the garden situation   or or the the new playground that we've installed 
um you'll notice that there's one big strip of   land over on the West Side that's completely 
undeveloped um you've got some oak tree shade   there um there is a a seasonal issue with uh 
vagrancy and unauthorized after hours use of   the park um and there's not a whole lot you can 
do with that space with the existing tree canopy   that's there but one opportunity that we have um 
and anytime I visit any of our Parks particularly   on the west side of town there's always somebody 
with a dog off leash no matter what and once again   if they're going to do it I'd rather give them 
the place to do it so that there's not as many   excuses or incidents or anything like that um one 
of the the day I got the idea for Rover space West   which was actually proposed um for this upcoming 
fiscal year but it appeared in the pre previous   year's budget as you know a future thought um 
I approached one lady that was in there and um   I said did are you aware that you know the city 
does have an offleash Park that you're you know   it's free to use and you can take your dog there 
and her excuse for using Patriots instead was   that she was pregnant and I'm not sure Beyond uh 
convenience the ability to maybe get over there   um but it it brought to my attention the fact that 
it's not as easy to get across A1A with your dog   especially if you're walking and there's a need 
for something over there an offleash opportunity   as you do just like the garden thing you do have 
a bunch of condos there's not a lot of open space   um and uh this could um be easily facilitated 
to to almost mirror the one over here or um as   uh mayor protm Kellum brought up we could even 
um as this one over here has an area for large   dogs and small dogs we could possibly use part of 
the space that's behind the um the the car wash   as one of those sizes and have accessible spaces 
on either side of the park um one of the the big   things that we pushed for with the develop with 
the Redevelopment of the playground equipment is   increased accessibility if you go out there if 
you went out there six months ago you would have   saw a sand pit with a bunch of uh railroad ties um 
kind of halfhazard most of them have sank over the   years and it was not accessible to to anybody in 
an ADA capacity whatsoever sand is not considered   an accessible surface for obvious reasons but um 
the processed playground mulch is so one of the   things I did with the design out there is that 
instead of instead of having the playground area   chopped up into multiple areas multiple individual 
spaces I created one big accessible space so   whether you're a a parent or a grandparent that 
has a Mobility device or whether you're a child   that has a Mobility device you have access to the 
entire space and so in saying that the um having   a an opportunity for a dog park there would could 
potentially serve as a a nice little accessory to   an accessible playground because we did install 
multiple accessible equipment features in the   existing or new park so there's a lot of potential 
there um but it'll be on Council to to decide what goes thank you any other comments on that one 
thank you mayor moving on Molly I believe this   is your last one is the tenants courts res 
surfacing it's over already all right so the   tennis court resurfacing this one is another one 
that's been on the books for a couple years and   um we've finally gotten around to uh to the 
fiscal year that it was budgeted for and um   what I've done with this is if you um with all 
of the Abundant time you have on your hands um if you pull up the Nancy Hansen Recreation Complex 
on either The Bard County property appraiser site   or Google Maps Google Earth either either of those 
programs um have a little slide roll where you can   actually move the date of the satellite image 
and one of the things that you will see appear   and disappear frequently is a depression on court 
number five uh the last time these courts were uh   resurfaced was in 2016 I remember the project I 
actually think I processed the purchase order for   it I was a secretary in the department at that 
time and uh one of the things that was a known   issue when they went to do the resurfacing 
was this um problematic depression in court   number five so um if you go out there today or 
you pull up Google Maps today you'll see that   the depression on court number five is back and 
what's interesting is that when Todd and I were   working on this uh CIP we took the calendar on 
the satellite image back to 2016 and you saw the   fresh bright paint of the brand new resurfacing 
when we slid it to 2017 so less than one year   the shadow came back so it had already started to 
SN so uh the previous CIP um that was created for   this cited $40,000 um we got some estimates in and 
the $440,000 would still cover the resurfacing but   it did not address anything to do with the 
depression so if we moved forward with that   within a year we would have another depression 
and the problem with the depression is that it   continues to sink and when you have a a playable 
surface where people are often walking backwards   to uh to to play the game it could result in 
a trip Hazard if it continues to sink so um we   had a company come out and give us a kind of a a a 
ballpark if you will if we were going to actually   do the work to repair what was underneath um 
which will require some uh obviously removal   of that portion of the Court some excavation 
to address whatever's under there um and then   recompaction of the surface and then repouring 
and then the resurfacing so um with how much   facility how much use this facility gets um I've 
always been of the mindset to repair it once and   repair it right um it's not a critical issue um 
because I understand the difference between you   know people's houses flooding and you know smooth 
tennis courts but uh if we don't address what's   underneath we will constantly have a court that 
has a problem and while we don't exactly know   what it is uh there's any number of things it 
could be that there was was a giant tree there   and they just cut it down and ground the root 
and left the the rest of it that to Decay that   can cause that kind of a thing also there could 
be perhaps there was a well at some point that   maybe it's just the head is leaking underneath 
there you don't know till you go to explore it so   obviously one of the first things we think about 
is well we're talking about storm water at the   Civic Hub and there's going to be a lot of Earth 
moving equipment out there could this or should   this be time to be part of that and the answer is 
it could be um what we've told kimley horn is we   don't want to Target concrete or trees for storm 
water on the Civic Hub but if it makes sense to   do it in this case where tennis court number five 
is we could that's the one that's on the southeast   of the park so the intersection of pointsa and 
Filmore closest to that if there's storm water   already happening as part of the Civic Hub and 
it is in fill more in the point set of areas   then it could make sense to tie it into that 
for only for that reason so uh we're keeping   an open mind to that but if we don't do that we 
would want to have the Standalone item in the CIP great thank you Council any comments on this one back to tennis and pickle ball well theory is the hole 
and the pick where were the pickle Ballers the   yeah so I think on this one we're going to 
get more and better information coming out   of the council meeting uh in April with kimley 
horn and that'll help us make some decisions   on this one so I think it's probably all 
we need to say about this one for now if   we're ready to move on and we've got um June 
isn't here she's uh dealing with a loss of a   loved one so Jessica is here and Dave Jessica 
you want to come or do you want to send Dave   up need to take a a a brief break that's 
been a long continuous thank you Molly I   don't if you don't mind I know y'all have 
been patient waiting let's try it's 5:30   on the dot try to get back in five 10 minutes 
whatever to be back in yes sir and they only have e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e yeah e e alrighty it is 5:45 pm. we just 
returned back from another brief   break as we wrapped up culture 
and Leisure Services we are now   rolling into public works services our 
city manager was getting us kicked off here yes so this is an update one crossover 
annually and you can see here the next five   years are kind of mapped out based on priority 
so we're starting with Harbor Heights Washington   Johnson Tyler Madison um every year our IM 
Department like inspects them um we expect the   slope whether it's deteriorating we also work with 
fdp to see you know if there's any ADA compliance   that needs to be met um so yeah so next year or 
starting next year 24 25 we're going to do haror   Heights and that that would actually be sorry that 
would actually be like kind of phase two of Harbor   Heights Harbor Heights is a huge long pathway so 
the crossover we initially put in was at our Max   limit that year that's all we could do um we 
went ahead and spent some a smaller amount of   money trying to put those MIM mats in recently 
which got vandalized so since then we've been   approached with trying to get another like harder 
uh piece of infrastructure in there that wouldn't   be vandalized as much and we were thinking we'd 
bump um phase two of Harbor Heights into this   particular uh time frame so that we could finish 
that one off completely so it's all basically the   same age because it's the the initial part that 
we did is only just a couple years old I have a   question yes um I live in Harbor Heights so I know 
Harbor Heights um what it did have the plastic um   and it was very slippery when it was wet and then 
you guys changed it to the Moby mat that's correct   yes we we changed it we initially put the uh the 
plastic down because that was the only thing that   would fit in with our budget to do it at the 
time um and we were also trying a new product   which we were told was going to last a long time 
unfortunately it didn't it degraded in the sun   and the environment out there so when we removed 
it we had to come up with something else that we   could put down there um maybe M mats have work 
because they work so well out on the beach and   they've been great out on the beach for years 
and years but when we put them in some of the   residents didn't like it and they ended up getting 
vandalized a big portion was stolen so now we got   to look at something a little bit harder than 
that it wouldn't be vandalized as much but it   won't be plastic and slippery it would be the 
same material as the decking that's already on   the crossover just be like one a lot longer 
slope that goes all the way down down to the   parking lot basically with a couple of Landings we 
couldn't do it all in one giant slope we but it's   150 foot section and that's actually longer than 
the initial section that was put in so um yeah the   um the just the the materials alone when I when I 
pric them out is $22,000 in materials just to put   that section in so um when you factor everything 
in plus inflation prob going to be closer to the   34 which is what we're trying to bump it up to 
to to make the difference for inflation from what   we used to pay for them now we have to thank you 
uh David yes uh I met with a couple of residents   out there just after the MIM mat was stolen yes 
which amazed me that they took that much of it   but um and they were asking about a more gradual 
in decline because I think there was a couple of   people that had uh mobility issues that just 
wanted to get out to that crossover area but   you were talking about having a gradual slope to 
a couple of Landings yes SL to Landing to a slope   to Landing okay so the the slope won't be that 
steep no it wouldn't be that steep okay would   be that sleep in fact we would even go back we 
would have to go back a little bit further and   redo some of the side to make the slopes all match 
up properly okay that's great thank you I got just   a couple of questions on this one if you don't 
um the that's pretty much all just material cost   because it's our team going to be doing it that's 
correct you we like that way is it work well for   us inh house way that I've known since been since 
I've been here we used to have the inmates help   us out a lot with that so now we're bured a lot 
with it with my team but that's how we manage it   we we do sort of it basically just extends the 
amount of time that we're doing it now a little   bit but we try to do it ourselves in that makes 
sense have we ever gotten a quote to get it I'm   just talking openly here go ahead and do that and 
see what their pricing would be like well at a   minimum it would help us understand the avoided 
cost I mean the time of our team as cost but   it's like doing stuff around your house it takes a 
little longer like you said but you end up getting   it done so I think my general comments are this 
is very important to our community the beach is the probably number one amenity physical 
environmental that we have it's also the   place where people stand to watch launches 
so that experience is of elabor ated on in   the past is really important from the furthest 
parking spot at a beach entrance I think we have   what about 20 20 Harbor Heights just Citywide 
I think 20 oh no I'm sorry 20 Beach entrances   17 17 thank you 1 and one of them doesn't have 
Park The Ridge one we were okay there's 16 with   parking and they're all different parking spaces 
like Harrison has a lot more than a lot of them   yes um but that that experience uh and I know 
we got some private property sometimes that goes   through there is we've seen over 10 years all the 
improvements happen with the seots and we've just   made a decision on Filmore I think to really 
look at trimming sea grapes which will change   you know things but here when you were talking 
about hey we did what we had within our budget   I just want the council to know that if we went 
anywhere I think as far as return on investment   I think this is really important and um I hope to 
see us continue my question in last is when we're   doing for example Harbor Heights the second 
half of that one but like Washington Avenue   is the next one for next year how long are they 
lasting was that Washington Avenue when replaced   about 10 years one of the oldest ones okay I 
don't know when they were originally put in   to be honest um but they have lasted a long time 
uh with the new track stacking Lumber Rock which   we use actually um all the ones that we put in 
since I've been here in the seven years are like   they're spotless they're completely intact they 
have no issues with them U if we do have issues   it's with the wooden components of unfortunately 
so the the decking itself a really really long   time recycled product as well um I don't know the 
actual term around are they all wood though the   walking I guess certain like it has lasted very 
well and I remember when it was wood prior you   just splinters and you know the maintenance of it 
yes but we were doing like two a year are they all   to the new recycled material or do we still have 
some that are um there's some older TRX material   that's been used I I we don't have an actual like 
wooden one at all anymore there's wooden stringers   there's wooden posts but all the decking is now 
composite of some sort that was Washington are   we removing that decking and replacing it with 
new decking it would be it would be you have to   actually remove everything because everything all 
the stringers underneath they completely rotten as   well too okay so it's it's a complete Redo for 
each one of these things do them thank you but   you can't do composite stringers you still have to 
do the heavy wood stringers yeah still have to do   the heavy wood stringers but um it's mostly the 
decking that takes the big hit the the stringers   themselves last a long time like the composite 
on Washington if you go up on there the decking   itself is not too bad it's a little bit B here 
and there but it's literally it's the posts and   the stringers underneath that are rotting away so 
that's the re that one afterwards and we just sort   of rotate through them taking the worst ones and 
none of these are necessarily set in stone they're   suggested because of age of them andity of at 
the time one may age a little bit quicker than   the next one three years down line from that we 
might have an issue with one we have to sort of   flipflop we try to do one thank you that was all I 
had in Council I've already ran into several times   on some of the boardwalks golf carts and some of 
them were bowing that deck strikes out so um as   we yeah I actually and I will say this thank 
you Commander kek because I called some in on   one of those and boy y'all were there to find that 
person uh because it was six seated golf cart and   if you're out on the beach in certain entrances if 
they can come across with a golf cart and they're   new here and visiting this area they're trying 
it in a lot of cases not trying it they are doing it no not all of them like the one between um 
Canaveral Sands and Roy Mansions is completely   flat and literally you see tracks all the 
time from people on golf carts s flying   in down there they'll take off and head up 
to Sherry down so um that one is starting   to Bow a little bit because of the weight 
of the golf cart so any of those that are   flat we're going to have to keep an eye 
on because we've allowed golf carts and   now they're using them using Ford this is 
true were you see that happening Dave could   you look for a strategic placement for a Ballard 
absolutely that would prevent that traffic thank you woohooo spring break mayor if there's nothing 
else on the Crossovers good we have the update on   the pump enclosure structures probably need for 
this one as well um right now we are about 20%   complete behind schedule a little bit which Tim 
will be able to elaborate on um but this project   was to enclose partially all of our pumps um our 
generator our Global Pump um any type of structure   that we had any piece equipment that we had that 
was outside to preserve it and I know that it's   held up a little bit for sub Ms and engineer join 
like I said can give a better upate yeah so what   happened with this one is that we got the the uh 
as you can see in the picture we got the uh bins   done and then we got the SO2 building I'd say 
about 90% done uh they're they're engineering   a door on there and uh making some fixes on it 
the reason why we got behind on this srf project   uh was due to not knowing what was underground 
so when they started digging to put the padding   in the pads uh they found a lot of pipes and uh 
unforeseen utilities um um so the engineers had   to kind at that point you have to go back to the 
drawing board and you have to start re-engineering   and uh when it comes to weight loads of you know 
the roofs and everything else that's going around   these pumps so that's where we're at now that's 
why it's really really why it's this far behind um   I did want to mention though that there is in the 
budget 1.56 in there um some of that I actually   pulled this over to this fiscal year we might 
end end up spending some of it this fiscal year   but as of now the contractor has not been back on 
site to do any work so there will be no pay apps   being you know paid um at this time until they 
start work up again and uh until the engineers   can get what they wanting to get done um and get 
it uh approved with the permits being pulled and   everything else with the city then um I'm not 
we're unsure of when this is going to get back   started again so you let it sit like that too long 
the pickle Ballers will be coming to take that ever it start I mean kind of a racket ball feel 
to it at least but yeah okay thank you for that   update I it in the final the is it'll be a roof 
structure over it to cover the pumps or is it   like yeah so what it is it's uh corrugated 
steel or aluminum mind you real heavy thick   gauge um and then you're going to have uh of 
course your structure of your um your beams and   your uh how do I say it I'm trying to think of 
how to say it the walls are going to be on one   side it's going to be open but then the rest 
of it I believe goes up leav yeah two sides sides oh cool so that way if we do need 
to remove a pump or any kind of uh you   know know piece of equipment piece of 
equipment we could just go in there   with the backo and pull it right out so 
looks like our three tennis courts there   why do we he those are B why not just 
use those as tennis cours those are full right sorry they're full you guys 
got to go before parks and W next time all right if there's no questions mayor 
we ready to move on I'm good to go next one is   sanitary sewer G mapping this is just another 
update um so this year so last fiscal year we   got these all of our sewer Ms and the manholes 
identified and we got all the diameters of the   pipes and the conditions and now the next phase 
which will happen right now um we are having   tetch do a proposal so they can go in and CCTV 
all of those lines and locate our laterals so   I have the proposal it needs to get approved 
um by on their end on tetr Tech's end and then   we'll we will go to bid for that um and tetr will 
choose um a company to come in and do that CCTV   and this is part of a FD requirement correct 
this is part of the Senate Bill 712 that was passed this relates to the other GIS mapping we 
did is this the same this one is waste water the   other one was storm water okay thank you and this 
one is Wastewater and price funded both state and   both state mandates require thank you and mayor 
if there's no other questions on that not for me   Council good thank you new bucket [Music] truck 
all right um so this next one's for a new bucket   truck um the city's outgrown the bucket truck that 
we already have uh it's a one that we originally   have and we're still using is a 2006 it's recently 
required quite a heavy um repair to it and we're   expecting more of that as it ages a little bit 
more but at the same time it's now that it's been   repaired it's a good piece but we can't reach 
the infrastructure that we have now in the city   the buildings have grown we have a flag pole out 
here in the front that we can't get to the top of   we've already have to repair that once um The 
Clock Tower we we've had um a company that had   to come out and repair the gutters up there just 
because we couldn't reach it safely um so what   we're proposing is a larger bucket truck one that 
will reach everything and be used in unison with   the one that's already existing we keep them both 
for uh back up what is the height of the one that   we youing it roughly that's about 35t right now 
and this one will be the same or higher this one is 59 I think it was it was just under 60t pruning Palms I've seen y'all I've seen 
decorating Christmas lights yeah actually um   decorating Palms oh this one the flag pole 
sorry I wrote this all down before uh flight   P 55 ft the reach on this one's 59t so uh should 
reach everything that we have to get to like the   C5 building there's a couple of lights on that 
on the east side that we can't get to with the   bucket truck in the existing configuration um 
coconut trees is another reason they've been   growing through the city through the years and 
they require maintenance um we're going to start   up two times a year now just to make sure that we 
get all those uh coconuts down so they don't blow   down in wind and create hazards for people but 
now we're sub that workout to people who can reach   them so that's becoming an extra cost as well 
for the city so we keep the other one operating   as much as we can it's operating well right now 
it just doesn't reach what we needed to get okay   and this new one would extend our capabilities 
um do we know what Coco Beach has what they I   don't actually know what maybe Natalie [Laughter] 
knows you know know High it is Natalie we'd use   this I just thought I know well because you can 
sh this may not be a good one to share from time   to time but it it is something that um I think 
we would use Dave often I'm sorry no that was   it just the frequency of use and um I know I've 
spoke to cooko beach in the past about we talked   about the be traker we've shared with them with 
other things and so well the be trer yeah well   yeah but also when there's an emergency we're 
always there to share or they're there to share   for us too yeah um Dave would you say in every 
instance that you're aware of where we've had to   sub out to a company for a reach issue this would 
this new one would take care of it yes in every   instance thank you thank you it's a good way to 
look at it every time you pay for that and it's $260,000 uh yes it's it's quite a big hit but 
um like I said the original one was bought in   2006 we've got pretty good mileage on 
it now for the city yeah it went out   at a bad time last Christmas season yes 
well everything goes down at a bad time   always it's only when you need it that it goes 
down because that's when you find out about it   and mayor this has been on Dave's bucket 
list for quite some time I just I'm sorry   I couldn't resist that I couldn't that was 
quite a reach John quite a reach nice t very nice mayor if there's no questions on that we 
can move on to uh City Hall air conditioning   replacement it's hard to believe these are 
coming up on 10 years old these units we   need to cool off all right we you clear to 
go on to this then yes yes please so this   next one is for um City here uh City Hall AC air 
conditioning um uh replacement basically the uh   the ones that are up there are deteriorating at 
such a rapid rate it's unbelievable um we spent   an awful lot of money on them over the past years 
tens of thousands so far and U they have a 10year   lifespan so you know we're getting on close to 
that and with the amount of deterioration we   want to sort of try and get this done as quick 
as possible if if possible I know everybody who   comes in here enjoys the cool air when they're 
in here so and this facility like our other   facilities we have an annual service contract so 
that they're maintained properly in accordance   with good practice and the schedule maintenance 
happens like clockwork and it's a good thing that   we have that because that's when we discover 
these problems and they say you know there's   another coil gone down oh there's another evapor 
there's another belt oh there's a motor went out   that's how we discover these things and we 
do our best to keep up with it but I think   in probably the last five years Lisa we've 
never had two perfectly functioning systems yet thank you wow I was wondering and all the 
headaches and the buckets and the email updates   and so these units Dave will be sourced to have 
more corrosion resistance than we currently have   is that correct is there any um I know that these 
units need to breathe air and all but is there   anything because we live in this salty environment 
that we could cover them with to help I don't know   about necessarily covering them but we do go up 
and we rinse them off we've got a monthly schedule   for that so so that's part of our maintenance 
schedule is doing that um covering them we   can look into it um but you also don't want to 
restrict the air flow that's around them as well   too and they're built they're built specifically 
to be in the environment some of these are are for   more corrosive sort of environments than others so 
we're aiming definitely towards those on is that   corrosive protection provided by the vendor and 
the reason I'm asking this I've got two 10e units   in the in a condo complex that are literally 
falling apart after a few years uh one of my   vendors is now coating for corrosive purposes here 
locally with a local vendor and so far those units   are by far out you know outpacing the others so I 
was curious when you say the corrosive how are we   doing that well U at the moment the only thing we 
do is rinse them down there's there's no codings   that we've been using but I'm definitely going 
to look into that I can give you a vendor name   locally okay because literally those are turning 
out a million times better than the ones that are   coming fromc excellent addition um city manager 
can I give him the name of that going to ask you   please do so yes thank you very much you don't 
need my permission by the way I want to make sure yeah and when we go to purchase these 
we definitely we want to look we we want to   be the corrosive conscious on this and if we 
have to pay more money for that not to spend   $60,000 in the first five years it' be well 
worth it because I know that technology has   changed and um I believe they're making things 
uh K that uh they they won't corrode in 10 years   and that and that's what I'm talking about 
yeah it's a huge difference there's AIG and   there are some of them that have come out that 
are milit that were military grade and they're   now offering them to the public to prevent 
corrosion and they used it on bases and in   the Navy and all of these things but this I I 
know for a fact I just spoke to a local vendor   recently on this and he is getting the equipment 
and then he has a local vendor that's coding it   I just replaced mine this past summer and it 
came ready to go coated it wasn't any third   party anything it was already for beach side 
so and we can check with Southeast as well too   that's who we originally got some prices 
through that's who's been doing some our   maintenance work for us on them um we can see 
what their actual product is and if they have   codings on them or if we can code after those 
as well too we're definitely going to look into and I and I got mine a couple of years ago 
10year warranty coded for corrosive uh   from the manufacturer and it's falling to pieces 
right now so we got to love that living in the   on the and Dave when you're checking on these 
let's also keep in line that the lead times on   these these large units usually take more than 
a year to get yes but this will make Lisa very happy mayor if there's no other questions we 
can move on the biggest Economic Development   tool this state's ever seen is right here the 
AC yeah it is um important but no I think my   only comment was the makeing model of the 
are we getting the same one no I'm not I   wasn't happy with was this one from very 
beginning it it was problematic um and I   don't want to mention brand names but we 
were told to much corrosion we were told   by the service company that yeah this company has 
a history of being problematic because the soft I   think it had a very nice at least online control 
capability will you still have that if you want it that's nice that's great thank you all right yes sir thank 
you mayor uh next one is City Hall office buildout   this is a repeat it was pushed back from last year 
as um as says it's defin um it's from last year   got pushed back uh it's a city off City office 
buildout to add four additional offices within   the existing two floors or second floor City 
Hall to accommodate anticipated future needs   um like this like I was saying before the city 
is growing and and we keep sort of running into   these little things where we need more space so 
it's it's basically just looking into the future   and seeing if there's any places within City Hall 
that we can build out and create more Office Space   we did find some areas that we can do it the 
drawings were all done for it already and the   plans have been done it's just whether it wants 
to be and we appreciate the the mayor um moved   downstairs in the last year so that enabled the 
council member office to um be just one upstairs   so that former that vacancy created a space for 
our new employees that helped tremendously as   we added our it manager thank you for that mayor 
I hope you like it downstairs it's working thank   thank you yes and so this will help it also you 
know we talked about no offices you know and so   I think today that L it's that larger room you've 
exactly what we've talked about in the past and   being used today but it's not a productive work 
environment it's still limited on how how many   people you could but four could essentially work 
out of there is that the idea for or just not   people four separate offices is that three Lisa 
I'm sorry if you're going to speak you're really   should be at the podium sorry well and I didn't 
help because I looked at you and ask so thank you okay so the big area actually would fit 
three offices and then we have the AL Cove   area um as you get off the elevator that would 
have a wall built in the front and that would   be the fourth Office Space um so there would 
be three in that big room and that Al Cove   area would be the fourth that we're talking 
about now we currently have one employee in   that big room um and we have another employee 
that's in the records repository room that it   would probably be scoped to go out somewhere and 
then we would kind of rearrange uh storage area   for for that office that he is sitting in yeah 
we we need more storage space upstairs for just   storage and that that space would be ideal for 
it essentially we have an employee who's in a   closet kind of and they've got the space but 
they're in the closet it's it's our storage   it's our records area yeah thank you there's no 
windows yeah any comments just that was all I   had Council anything else no okay we can move on 
then next one is I am building replacement Jessica Dave I think in 2015 so the building 
the more we push it back it is becoming   a need it's it's in really rough shape 
we store some equipment in there um it   used to house all of his team's offices 
they had like little computer area and a   little break that is completely like ried 
off it's just you can't even use that area anymore other than just we're gaining more 
equipment as well too and it would be really   nice to be able to protect the equipment from 
the environment like we're trying to protect   everything else from the environment um we have 
two back hoses now where we used to just have one   um got the bucket truck if if we get a second one 
that would go in there as well to um and if you've   been to our uh Public Works area you can see how 
wedged and shoehorn we are in there at the moment   between you and I am um the existing building 
that used to be the building if that was to be   torn down and replaced with a new building we 
would make it a lot more usable space it would   be more Bay Area less office area sort of thing I 
I think would be the way to go with it more space   to keep our our infrastructure equipment out of 
the elements as much as possible safe and if you   haven't been out there to see this I do encourage 
you to let Dave or Jessica show you around the   building is an old Butler Building it's really 
dilapidated it it needed replacement 10 or more   years ago um it's it's it's Fallen apart in a lot 
of ways but we keep pushing it back and pushing   it back it's only going to get more expensive so 
at some point we're going to have to bite this   bullet and I'd like to just make a comment on this 
too because I've been out there and like Todd says   this building's in bad shape um I know that these 
are estimates here 500k the first year 500k the   second year you know might be a good idea just 
just to kind of go out before we actually do the   budget hand the budget to Council in July Ju Just 
see if we could get some some better estimates   um I I know we can't nail down the complete thing 
but you know I I kind of get the feeling like this   building might cost more than a million dollars 
so if we could get more just get more data okay   um 500k for the first year might be fine you know 
because that's all we'll get to but after that   let's let's try to nail that down because I think 
you know we don't know where the cost will go okay thanks any other questions on that mayor I do 
not have any all right moving on um I am vehicle replacement um okay so this would be for um a 
replacement of a 250 or 2500 series truck which   would be a 3/4 ton at the moment IM only has one 
F250 that of pulling the large trailer and uh mini   excavator that we have back there um that's a 2012 
vehicle and it's it's pretty pretty well beat now   u i don't even actually really trust it to pull 
the uh the trailer the way it is and we've been   borrowing utilities trucks to to pull and Tim's 
Truck can pull it but his truck is actually in   the shop again right now too so um basically the 
refer or replacement of the 2012 F250 truck with   another F250 we've only bought F-150s in the past 
recently um we really need the F250 to be able to   pull the larger amount of weight and then I also 
think it would be worthwhile to have at least one   vehicle in the city that's four-wheel drive just 
in case we need it for any anything after a storm   for instance or if another vehicle gets stuck 
somewhere we've had Vehicles Stuck In Ditches   before this one priced as a four-wheel drive this 
one's priced as a four-wheel drive yes and U with   uh with the lights and everything on it too 
the the flashing lights this is um from Allen   J the same people that have been giving us other 
quotes for for our other vehicles recently thank you mayor any questions on this one sir 
just the F-150 in the past we've usually   get the 250 for extra Towing these new uh 
lightning EVS have crazy Towing power and torque it's instantane 10,000 yes I'd just 
be interested to to see how that compares   to and I know there's more to factor than just 
that but um we would need to U be able to tow   13,321 PB so wow that's that's what our 
that's what we're rated out on that with   the mini on the trailer that's what it is 
great thank you so an F250 would actually   they they can do 13,800 PB or something like 
that up to 22,000 oh wow depending on the   engine and the F-150s are really only rated 
up with a good engine up to 11,400 lb so so   we really can't do anything with the F150s 
but the Lightnings aren't higher than is oh sounds Towing is the same oh I thank you that was all I had mayor if there's 
no other questions we're done with the the staff   presentations yes sir um so you have everything 
at this point that we're looking at um hoping to   put in the budget as we uh enter the budget 
making season um of course this is the time   the meeting where we do the city council 
Blue Sky where maybe there's those items   that City Council Members have identified 
as needs that we haven't and and we should   be thinking about programming in this next 
or one of the next five fiscal years mayor   thank you are we should we go to any section 
in our presentation for now or no we left this   one purposely sparse just where did I see I 
thought I saw something well there there is   a summary of what of our items towards the end 
okay we we can do that first uh go ahead skip   ahead this is the we started with the completed 
CIP items and then the soon to be C completed   items so those are already going to be done 
and the next two or three pages are all the   projects that we just went through and I believe 
they're alphabetical order and you can just kind   of scroll through there Daniel so this is just a 
recap of what we've gone through earlier this is   a recap does this total up the 2425 column 
we did not total anything up because we're   not also totaling up the revenues and the the 
the sources perhaps of Grants because it's not   always a fair accurate picture to look at it that 
way John you want to talk about that at all only C did come to a consensus that they would remove 
the uh 90k for the garden and push it out here   so that that would but but you can scroll through 
this now now that you've been through everything   the whole purpose of this was after we've 
completed this you can now go through this   item for item and maybe there's things as you 
were going through the cery and said you know   I'll be looking at this one because maybe this 
is something I don't want to go forward with   or whatever but we didn't feel a need to you 
know show that that column might be you know   $8 million or something because you next time 
you see this we'll have summaries and it'll   show you uh in the summary you know what what 
it is for um uh Wastewater storm water general   fund each department in the general fund and 
we we'll have a list like that for you they'll   have a total under each so for this particular 
Workshop we were just to give you give you an   opportunity to go through um all the cips and 
see what caught your eye and and what you might   be interested in and again um depending on what 
council decides to do in July when they see the   overall budget it might require you to want to 
say you know what we're going to push this one   out a year and what have you yeah and that's why 
we want to stress we're not making any decisions   tonight right we're just this is our first 
introduction into the things we're thinking   about um and hope to get some future feedback in 
the next time we talk about the budget okay thank   you so do this is the first page of the summary 
Dan is that the first page is is that uh that's   the first page yeah those are the updated ones 
though if you scroll down to the new where you I   think you just were it ends at 450,000 is that 
the last one uh oh this is the next page yeah   there's two pages of it okay one and a half pages 
um it's an alphabetical order that's I got it very fast math I it is important to I mean just 
like every line item we don't know the revenue   where it's coming from but total just under 2.8 
million back of the napkin just expenses only not   understanding that's I I went through and did 
that as fast as I could but that's helpful to   know now what happens the next year and so the way 
the reason I like to know that number is uh our   uh taxes alone I think are going to be about $6 
million in Revenue yeah I could isn't that right   yeah yeah it's going to be you're you're you're 
close in the ballpark there but what I could do   it's well I mean she's just given an estimate to 
like two over two million yeah oh oh thur thurm   is over two million alone so so my number couldn't 
be no no no million on there though what I'll do   is tomorrow morning I will send all of council 
what the actual total is of all those ther will   that help you yeah I mean it's just good to total 
up the year that's ultimately what we're trying   to decide and I think um well now that and that's 
both I know these numbers will change yeah oh yeah   but mayor remember that's um this isn't separated 
this is just a list in alphabetic order so this   isn't separated by general fund storm water waste 
waterer where uh notor you know uh notoriously   Council they go as you know they know we need 
the way spider stor they'll look at general fund   and then determine if there's things there they 
want to push out but I'll give you a total by uh   um by the general fund by department and and by 
the Enterprise fund to give you totals for each   that'll be that'll make it better right absolutely 
yeah yeah instead of giving a whole total because   because general fund and Enterprise fund are 
separate yes and you'll want to see but we can   add the three funds together and we still should 
know we're going to do $3.5 million in projects   out of three different funds $3 million of assets 
are going to be invested in this community I think   that's that's good indicator to understand um 
I think that yes this sheet here at the end is   really helpful for me and and being able to 
enhance it because when you go in a project   and out you know especially as we take this next 
step whatever this next meeting looks like is if   we can get this sheet um and thank you for all 
who worked on this entire presentation putting   it together I know it was a lot of work but 
it is helpful and it's going to be very nice   to go back and and just get an idea of what's 
what's proposed and the no as many known as   we we have today um and the update verse news 
so basically new is update our prior year cips   um just on the well I'm not referencing anything 
in front of us the individual projects when they   say update with the banner on the top those are 
the same ones okay updated yes so those are now   Consolidated there yeah it just means you've 
seen these before okay are there any projects   from last year's CI P meeting that are not moved 
over here that that is something I wanted to make   sure we didn't drop anything and John I know I 
stressed that to you several times can you say   with certainty that we didn't drop anything youan 
you mean you mean moving you mean moving programs   that weren't completed last year into this year 
any CIP item that did not got get brought forward   to this meeting if we were to not to my knowledge 
no I think everything everything is uh if we were   to go to the the budget book right every page 
so like these are numbered which will kind of   tell us in my I want to see so if that's true 
that's great that means that basically these   are all the ones that are continuing through 
this year from last year's uh CIP and updated   which means the price could have changed okay 
with updates and then anything new was really   the first time right we're seeing it in a formal 
cor way okay Council any other comments at this time I um let me make sure I'm 
on track here this part you are   looking for blue is this the 
Blue Sky yes sir okay I'll be quick performance metrics is number one as far 
as I think we've talked about this in Prior cips   I don't know if it gets uh I think did it get 
cut last year or something did we push that   um this is essential uh and I think we talked 
about code enforcement implementing some some   metrics I view this as a potential CIP because 
I think it it requires some sort of investment   um uh and if not then then fine but I think the 
the programming the software this is under the   Community engagement pillar is uh a a budget much 
bigger than ours the city of Clearwater is a good   example I don't know if you've been to that City 
but they've got a dashboard that is the mo one   of the most impressive things I've ever seen in my 
life and it is the definition of excellent citizen   engagement and transparency and accountability 
and you can see sort of everything that's in the   budget they've got interactive budgets but the 
code enforcement dashboard was really good and   that one jumped out because in a prior of CIP I 
think we had talked about hey code um believe our   community development director said I I'll start 
in this I think the first attempt at implementing   some metrics and I think first questions we have 
to ask ourselves is you know do we want to invest   in some sort of um we've invested in bsna software 
that was a prior year Capital expense that has   ongoing costs do we need and I know there are 
trainings and things like that have costs do we   need to invest more uh through bsna please look at 
you know the city of Clearwater and I was able to   uh obtain sort of the metrics that they Define 
that I think are very valuable and really roll   this out more as a community engagement software 
piece that I think will layer in nicely with some   of this new GIS data for economic development 
for all types of purposes is getting the funds   together to provide a better experience for our 
residents businesses and our internal City staff   and the city council to through the city of cape 
canaveral.fl of I know we're proud of that uh   getting uh again we I don't think we can be uh 
compete with the budget of the neighbors across   the other side of the state but the program I 
think they used open gov and there's all probably   different types of program but what an impressive 
expensive I think it was like 70,000 per module   per year or something do they have smaller vers 
can we just take a sliver of that and demonstrate   it here and it it was it was the instead of me 
talking about what it should look like I wanted   to share that today to say an investment was made 
in that City it was very important because it was   a lot of money to them and I'm over here in 
Cape canav looking can we do something like   that similar to that so my Blue Sky for the day 
is again on the performance metrics and looking   at the city of Clearwater and I can email the 
uh the metrics that I think were really good   specific to code enforcement um I spend a lot of 
time trying to figure stuff out here and I'm going   right to the pains for for me as a council member 
and I believe the pains for the community and I   I do not sometime I have a hard time following 
procedures and why things are the way they are   and our city council has so much time everyone 
up here volunteers their time to work other   cities have implemented internal Auditors within 
their City staff some of them report to the city   manager some of them report to the council but 
this is an internal control that it would be a   position or an investment or maybe it's something 
we contract that they are making sure on behalf   of the city council and City Administration 
and ultimately the citizens that someone is   quality control someone is overlooking the steps 
to say hey I'm going to focus in these areas and   they are a resource to uh I think everyone because 
there's a lot of steps there's a lot of layers of   you know state law federal law Grant rules all all 
these things and I see the look on my face and and   and our staff bogs through it and works hard but 
we've seen many cases where Things fall through   the cracks and issues happen and I think that this 
is a a good opportunity for us to cons seriously   consider um in future years an internal auditor 
that would be a resource to the council and the   city Administration as a whole that we could rely 
on and we could direct to say we need info on this   because that's where I'm trying to put the pieces 
together for an issue and I'm essentially making   sure you know that that things I understand what 
happened why it happened and this is largely what   a lot of these uh Auditors can do and provide um 
and the city I think the city of Titusville has   implemented something like this city um I can't 
remember the other one uh but there that was the   second uh Blue Sky the third thing is an employee 
handbook this is something that we've talked about   for a long time I believe we're on the Merit 
system here an HR policy of some sort I know   that we have um a a new uh transition there 
with Natalie on board with us to help uh with   this but this was one of the first things that 
Todd I think you and I had spoke about and it's   something that I know citizens have inquired 
about and to this date I'm not clear on what   those policies are and I think our city staff or 
our city policy I was going through it the other   day when it talked about um under Section 402 our 
Personnel system that we uh the Merit principal um all appointments and promotions of City 
officers and employees shall be made solely   on the basis of Merit and Fitness 
demonstrated by a valid and reliable   examination of other evidence and competence 
that's okay and then the Merit system is uh consistent with all applicable federal and 
state laws the city council shall the city   council shall provide for the establishment 
regulation and maintenance of a merit system   governing Personnel policies necessary to a 
effective administration of the employees of   the city of Department's offices and agencies 
including but not limited to classification   and pay plans examinations Force reduction 
removals working conditions provisional and   exempt appointments inservice training grievances 
in relationship with employee organizations the   city council shall provide for the establishment 
so City attorney any help or guidance here on do   we have this can we strengthen this um I think 
this is something that our if I understand we   are charged to do and I'm not aware of us 
I think having that to the level I think we want and so I for the so that 
I can stop that those were   the big ones so performance metrics 
internal auditing employee handbook um and I'm going to stop there those are those 
are the three that I think are really important   to the success of this organization and for uh 
for us to get all these other projects executed   and done so thank you Mary I have a notes 
on performance metrics internal auditing and   employee handbook thank you yes sir thank 
you thank you for everything that was put   together I I have to give a great thanks to 
Lisa she slaved over this for several weeks   and many revisions and changes over those 
weeks and she put together a great project   a great product on a great pressure I want to 
second that Lisa did a incredible job with this incredible mayor do you want to go to the reste 
um yes I have some ideas or things that I would   like to see happen I I believe the metrics is 
important like you said mayor and the employee   handbook I had asked U Tau about that earlier 
um I think it's important for us to understand   how how it works and how the procedures go and we 
don't have anything that we can use at this time   um and then you know my big thing with the budget 
again this year is um you know let's make sure we   look at the projects that have been on the books 
try to get them done stop kicking the can down   the road I would like to see um more quality of 
life amenities that are loow hanging fruit that   we could probably do with not a lot of money 
and bring back things that we used to have here   that kind of went away with Co and and other Giant 
projects like little things like um phto Field Day   Founders Day um a Patriot Day Parade um a Veterans 
Day Parade that mean a lot to the citizens that   we've gotten away from um which improves the 
quality of life and makes the small town um   Community feel um you know we've had music fests 
at manity Park um you know now with the aquarium   coming maybe we could do something in partnership 
with them to promote Arts and Science and marine   life and um different things like that I just 
think that there's a lot of great things out   there that we used to do that we don't do anymore 
and um you know that don't cost a lot of money um   I would like to see us remain funding the A1A um 
like councilman said we we started that many years   well not that many years ago but putting money 
away for that and now we do have skin in the   game when it comes to push comes to shove with uh 
Department of Transportation um and I would like   to make sure that you know blight again in our 
city um we've talked about um multiuse or mixed   use um and concentrate on um land acquisition 
to make bring bring businesses here or to um   help with the the blight situation and we're 
looking to the U bed board for direction on   that um but there's you know the the old pawn 
shop which is up for sale now and they're on   Jackson Avenue across from Mell ma there's that 
horrible building um just things like that that   we could spend money on I know that we have 
um put money towards the presidential Street   master plan the Civic Hub you know it all looks 
good but when we see the numbers we really have   to think about where we're going where we've been 
and what we need to do to get to where we want to be that's you know I think metrics U I'm 
I'm glad we're hiring another person for   code enforcement I hope that helps and the 
other thing is you know we see we have a new   system for the uh meetings and it seems like 
we always have a problem with that as far as   sound or people not being able to communicate 
and that was our big thing was to be make sure   residents got their say like today we still have a 
problem and we have spent money on that and I just   want to make sure that you know if we need more 
money if we need a different system let's do it   so we can so the public can hear and be part of 
what we do and what we say got it thank you very much Willis uh yes I wanted to um follow 
up on where we are on the code the uh the handbook for uh code enforcement um 
I'm supposed to be reviewing that next by I   should receive that by close of business next 
Friday oh okay um but as far as blue sky goes   uh I my focus has been on A1A a lot and uh I 
want to keep that uh pushed along as much as   I can because I think the safety of our our 
main street I know it's it belongs to the   State of Florida but it may be their road but 
it is our Main Street and uh with all the new   development that possibly can be happening on 
the West Side here near City Hall people are   going to be trying to get across and we need to 
be focused on that as well uh beyond the metrics   that uh the mayor was talking about I really have 
nothing else beyond what we have seen here so I'm good Davis yeah I was going to say I was thinking 
as well as doing A1A that is a big project and   it's going to get worse between the port and and 
the aquarium so that's one of the things as well   as the the flooding that's you another focus and 
I I really would like to see the Civic Hub move   forward I think it's something the community 
wants they've expressed the they love Friday   Fest and also if we do the Hub there's lot lots 
of other events it's just not limited to the   Friday Fest that we could do um make the citizens 
could uh be involved in and could bring in money   for the city so um that's it thank you you council 
member Jackson okay I would like to see Community   involvement we did surveys before to determine 
what our community was interested in as far things   that we're looking at for our city and back in the 
day there were there was one I went through it had   no choice that was none of the above so it forced 
you if you were going to take the survey to fill   out answers and give feedback when that may not 
have been something you were even interested in   also have a desire to have a a more up to date 
um I know we did a we had a plan in 2012 that   we've been working on that's that's 12 years old 
our demographic has changed and so I would like   to see us get involved with our community to know 
what their desires are I've spoken to people here   locally and they've even talked about we don't 
have any shopping here there's nothing you know   so we're looking at what we want our community to 
be and if we're looking at those things I think   I think Community involvement is important now 
because we've had so many people that have sold   and moved away we have new people that have moved 
in from other states and so those things could   have changed and so I think Community engagement 
in those things are quite important and especially   right now especially after the pandemic with the 
number of places that we saw sell and the number   of residents that have moved out and new ones 
that have moved in um also I would as when we   look at resiliency and sustainability I would 
like to make sure that what we're doing we're   getting a bang for our buck because there's good 
things like looking at how to ensure that during   a hurricane we end up with being able to protect 
our city protect bcso operations protect the fire   department and the First Responders I think it's 
important in today's day and age Zach had said it   earlier when you look at the fact that we have 
Bridges being hit by barges we have uh storms   like I now I think it's our responsibility as a 
council to ensure that the money we spend is going   to make a really good bang for our buck now not 
something that is projected to be a gain 20 years   from now for whatever that is but because we are 
looking at these things happening now I think it's   important as I said earlier to have a disaster 
recovery plan with any City so that we know what   our plan is and we're not scrambling figuring it 
out if we had any issues um partnership with our   we're very fortunate to have great law enforcement 
in our city we're fortunate to have bcso and we're   nestled between between all of these bases so 
we have an opportunity to work with the people   that we have in our area to ensure Safety and 
Security in our city in challenging times and   the times are getting very challenging so things 
that we know will give us the biggest bang for   our back for what we're doing as far as I see 
sustainability and resiliency and continuity   of government as all going together not having 
a webcam in a certain spot on the beach where   you get to look at the ocean we need to use we 
might want to do that too but we need to use   the tools that we have to make sure that we're 
doing the right thing going forward and that we   can continue with our job as Council and as City 
and City staff if we had anything happen because   there's things happening all over East Coast West 
Coast and other countries as well so that's one   of my things that is um one of my blue skies and 
then the other thing is making sure and we were   working on this with the um the EV workshop 
and that's making sure that we have data so   that when we do make a decision we're able to see 
if trending changes because decisions can be made   today and times are changing so quickly along 
with technology and everything else a decision   you make today can be totally irrelevant tomorrow 
so we need to be able to be in touch with what's   going on as a council so that we can go back and 
make adjustments if we need to make adjustments   and make the right decisions based on trending 
and that sort of thing I've heard for years at   a as a citizen how we did this oh y'all tell 
me what the name of it is I'm having a brain   freeze here at the last minute but the thing 
the thing that we did in 2012 to see where did   we want to be thank you the visioning and 2012 was 
a long time ago are we seriously looking 12 years ago yeah but when when when it was changed just 
like I said before when we got gave feedback   there weren't sections where you could give 
no say I don't I don't think any of these are   important and we have a different demographic 
when was it changed what day two years that's   even better that's good that makes me feel 
better but I still think we need to look   at those things and staying plugged in and 
plugged into reports numbers costs uh you   know cash inflows and outflows on any of the 
things that we decide to fund purchase and buy thank you capture all these in the minutes 
um to make sure we get them right and we'll   have a chance to review those minutes Council 
will have a chance to review those minutes and   record all these Blue Sky items thank you yes 
thank you uh where do we go next um the only   other thing is the informational item number 
four uh city council um looked at the updated   employee defined contribution agenda item at 
the March meeting and said let's just bring   it back to the CIP meeting so we can keep 
it uh current keep it in front of us and   where we are but the council also asked from 
for some additional information uh which um   Natalie will talk about and she did reach 
out for some more additional information   and she's got that here but U this is not 
presented again for Action this is just   an informational item um mayor if it's okay I'll 
ask Natalie to present what she found yes please Natalie okay hello Natalie Harmon HR department um 
after the meeting we did do a very quick um reach   out to the central the East Central um clerks 
Association it went out to 74 area municipalities   per your requests but due to the fact that we only 
had um from Wednesday to Friday to get information   we only had 11 responses um out of those 11 four 
were in defined contributions and that should be   in your packet um the one that was in closest um 
relation to us was the city of felsmere and they   did immediate vesting with um to um enhance their 
employee retention and attract employees can you   show Natalie the screen so oh I'm sorry yeah you 
should have um that would be attachment three in   your packet um the others were all part of f FRS 
or they had defined benefit plans can you scroll   to the bottom of attachment three down this is 
the last page correct so the ones that did respond   were Satellite Beach Port Orange City of felir and 
Winter Park so the average festing for all four of   those combined came out to four years years and 
then we did provide you uh the actual percentages   and then the rounded which came out to 9% on the 
401a with the match of 4% and that's kind of in   that whole area where Council was talking about 
maybe we come in at a compromised position not   go for the full ball of wax at this point because 
we don't want to have to pull something back later   so you can you can see with the areas around 
us what they're doing when they have defined   contribution they're around N9 in a 4% match which 
is um smaller than what we had proposed but it's   certainly an increase and an improvement so it's 
just something to file away uh when we bring this   item back to you and um right and since it was 
just a discussion item or not discussion but   informational we did originally prepare those 
numbers for you and I did bring them if you   wanted me to hand them out afterwards but um the 
impact on the 10% 3% contribution was a $992,000   budgetary impact and then also with the 401a at 
a 9% contribution and a 4% match was a $90,000   impact budgetarily and then um just just some 
other additional information that I had pulled   together um from a Vanguard study it did show 
that there was 49% of defined contribution plans   Nationwide do not have vesting schedules do have 
they do not it's immediate vesting because it just   showed that um the majority of employees um would 
leave an employer just for retirement benefits   alone so mayor I think a good way to move this 
item forward might be if you if you all approve   um rather than present a resolution represent this 
as a discussion item with the various scenarios so   we've got the scenario as it is today the top 
Max what we talked about before and what the   impact would be there was a proposal thrown out 
the last council meeting maybe we consider this   which also this information so there's right 
there there's four different scenarios we can   look at and bring it back showing the impact 
to the budget and all of those scenarios and   then from that we would hope that Council might 
give us some direction U what the council wants   to do based on knowing what those impacts are and 
after that we would follow up with a resolution   to confirm at a future meeting so um if it's 
okay with the council and mayor we would just   could you get that ready for the April agenda or 
is that a May thing whatever whatever you guys   prefer I think if we can do April that'd be better 
because John's got more data yeah okay so let's go   ahead and finish that as a u a discussion item for 
the April agenda yeah if we if Council makes that   decision then of course we'll incorporate that 
into the budget whatever decision you you you   you make will be incorporated into the new budget 
forever and ever amen amen I mean it is ongoing   liability right it is that is hey I can think of 
a lot other places I'd rather you know but if you   if you do decide on a 94 or an 84 or whatever you 
decide uh Natalie uh and I could incorporate that   right into the budget because then on one July 
when you're hand it your book all these things we   discussed it affected whatever we wanted they're 
already done and then you could start looking at   some other stuff on 15 July if if I may like just 
talking to some of your very dedicated employees   uh their rent is very expensive and I did find 
out that one of them cashed out their PTO to pay   student loans that they're carrying to work and I 
mean they love working here so if you keep that in   mind thank you mayor if I might John what's the 
next time we expect to formally um talk about   budget with the council at the Das here what's 
the next well the normal if if Council decided if   Council decided that they wanted to talk about 
the um the cips again uh we could schedule it   probably could be done it should be done before 
uh before 28 May because once we talk about it if   there's recommendations made to remove something 
or whatever we got a lot of work to do do to get   the budget done by the 17th 18th of June so then 
we could go through it with the city manager and   hand it to you on one July so if you want to 
do something else I would say sometime in May   but as far as the budget we with the budget the 
budget goes to council July 1 okay so the entire   proposed budget okay I won't have a proposed 
budget for Council prior to that I think what   we're saying is since we've got that July next 
Workshop when we officially look at bu Workshop   in July when if we want to do another look at the 
cips and have some more discussion on them as long   as we have it by what date i' I'd say you know no 
later than like 28 May okay because by that time   then and I've got a new accountant and uh we're 
putting together putting together a budget for   the first time with my new account so that's 
where we are and I would like to do that and   take another look at them since I'm new at this 
um because I learned about them today and there   are some that you know are new some that are from 
last year so it would be helpful for me so that I can weigh in more fully that last year we 
had another meeting we well we had the the   Strategic plan Retreat then we had the CIP 
Workshop so there were two this is only one   this year so having a second one would be kind 
consistent with that so mayor maybe we could   get consensus from the council to shoot for if 
if Council wants to have a second one um shoot   for maybe 30 days out four weeks out something 
like that I just want to did we have have we seen   the full CIP yet yes there's we don't intend 
to produce anything new we have been sent the CIP these the those are the cips what we're 
looking at now yeah well of course I know but   I mean in the for like the like we've done 
in the past where see this is the strategic   planning meeting and we we're calling it a an 
acting as a CIP meeting but the CIP usually   comes before the budget right and that's what 
we're doing now today is meeting was the first   presentation of C yes yes this is the first C I 
don't think we've been delivered though a full   CIP I in in in the funds like in the past oh 
what you what we'll do is what we can do now   that we had this meeting because this was the 
Strategic yes this is like the Strategic thing   with the cips attached now what um uh Joey and 
I will do for you now is we will get you the   cips in the format like this book with the 
summaries and you will receive that because   we we know where that's at at now we'll get you 
that everybody I'll give everybody a a a little   binder with that and then if you want to meet 
again to discuss that in May name a date and   then we'll go ahead and discuss that and then 
the next thing you get of course is on one July   as you get a proposed budget which will contain 
the cips that I gave you and and if you decide   that you want to change any of those I will 
incorporate that in at the beginning of June   and now one July you got the most up toate 
cips with the budget thank you so that first CIP this was sort of Prior we got introduced and 
and I've appreciate it because they've involed   in the past the CIP just came out we didn't even 
have this meeting and so I understand that it's   sort of slowed things down on on your side but it 
really has engaged us and involved us and so my   thought was you'll go back do as you get the the 
CIP over to us we definitely should meet on that   and then I think we can roll into the budget 
but we have today's information we've never   had that really before going into that meeting 
which I think is you'll sort of formalize if I   understand today right you'll get you'll get 
a book that that's that's complete you know   prior to us a couple years back having a strategic 
Retreat the only thing Council would get would be   in um in April or May they would get a a little 
book that had all the cips so you could see the   capital projects there would be no discussion 
and then I put the budget together and then on   one July you get this book right and say okay 
this is for the council meeting right in July   and then there's a workshop before that council 
meeting that's how it used to be it's a lot more   it's more informative like this I think we all 
got a really good feel for what the projects   are there's not going to be any more surprises 
in here this is what you looked at today will   only downsize unless one unless Council decides 
that they want to add something the very Hands-On   process I'm sorry you've got a hand on there 
mayor May or yes um I have one qu question or   request of John can you follow up with The Bard 
County property or appraiser and let's find out   exactly the impact of the new legislation 
on homesteading how that's going to impact   yeah I'm going to ask the bro I'm going to send a 
message tomorrow and ask Bard property appraiser   do they have and I believe it's called a 403v do 
they have that form updated for the cities and   if they do please send it to me and I'll give it 
to all counsel as long as they got it as long as   they have it complete whenever yeah okay because 
I know they're going to be feverishly working in   May on a gross taxable value of for all the 
cities and they got their hands full because   they're changing mayor the state is changing 
the reporting system for each and it affects   mostly the the property of Appraiser's office 
I attended a two-hour class this past week and   it really affects the relationship between the 
state and the property of Appraiser's office and   the forms they fill out and how they report their 
stuff it doesn't affect the cities too bad it my   stuff stays pretty much the same but there's going 
to be some new stuff and that's G to it'll start   affecting them in October when they're doing their 
stuff in October yeah so everybody's a lot of new   stuff out there I have one request Mr Morley yes 
ma'am um on the as we look at the the power banks   for seller at C5 and what we could potentially 
use that for in Disaster Recovery is there any   way that we can find out what is already in place 
and being utilized in at the precinct building   for battery storage for diesel no for that I I 
know for a fact that they will have a plan for   what happens if there was power outages all of 
that the reason I'm saying that is when we look   at Power and and solar banks for power and C5 if 
we're using it in case this building lost power   we would have to look at all the technology that 
needs to run down there and we were talking about   4 hours so I think it'd be good to investigate how 
they're set up here so that if we're ordering any   equipment for that type of purpose we're making 
sure we're doing it what we need to and covering ourselves want to make sure I understand what 
you're saying um because we're also going to   be looking into a a battery storage system for 
bcso we want to make sure it integrates with   their continuity of operations plan well we had 
gone back and forth and we said that C5 could   Pro could uh provide a location for bcso to run 
operations if they had a problem here um so we   would need to know or look at in a case of a 
disaster after a hurricane which building is   going to provide primary backup for bcso and for 
the fire department or anything like that what   kind of systems do they have in that because 
we have to power those systems they have to be   online they have to be up and running if if that 
wasn't the precinct office what would it take to   do it down at C5 does the battery size at C5 is 
it sufficiently si to meet the load and the demand   of bcso inord with whatever limited operations 
they would we absolutely need these 10 things to   to stay powered um and they will already have that 
defined for their current building we just need to   know so that as we look at what we're purchasing 
power you know solar battery back up for we would   no we're putting it in the right spots understood 
what what if we just ask Commander kick to supply   us with their response and we fill it in by what 
are the holes and that's good here he comes now   well he doesn't have to now I I I know he's 
ready for dinner yeah but I mean just to yeah   well I mean they have certain procedures they 
have certain places they're going to do this   let's see how we marry up to that and some of 
that's confident safy confidential absolutely   but I love it I love where our head is thank you 
my note on that mayor if I could read it back is   evaluate that what we're sizing for seze storage 
meets vcso continent operations plan just do the   evaluation and present that information 
okay and for next steps as I understand   it then John make sure I've got this right 
you're going to produce the C the CP document and tomorrow okay and then we just then the 
council will just meet to review that   again at another Workshop we could just 
pick the normal Workshop Reserve date   that's between the council dates 
um I don't know what the date is I'll Cabo so we'll have to coordinate an alternate date for   that so you'll you'll let us know yeah the 
city clerk's office will work with you to schedule yeah I think that's a great plan   we're going to schedule Workshop 
sometime after John gets back from Cabo absolutely from Cabo we fly support from 
anywhere in the world you can participate in   the City of Cape canaval this has been a very 
helpful Workshop today thank you Council thank   you staff everybody great work thank you thank 
you appreciate it and I know a lot of work went   into it and we got a lot of other things on our 
plate so keep rowing doing good thank you again Lisa the calculations sure out thank you I think 
it's June June 30th John the not July one right oh no just the code I think it says on 
or before the 30th day I have it I do but I've never well it I I 
don't I feel like July 1 is just I wasn't saying I just it was 
more of a you know just so we   know any other comments or reports 
final seeing none y we can adjourn