##VIDEO ID:LFHHmicSugw## Kathy parks are you ready here Mary mcara here Joel Fair here Tina Freeman  presid Brad PLL here Betsy rank here and Angela is not here okay she's oh okay I will call this meeting to order I did want to welcome our new  members um Brad pral and Tin Freeman thank you glad you could join us okay um I don't  think we've got any I guess we need to approve the G the agenda for tonight first I would motion to approve the agenda as as I have a I have a question on that process uh if  we want to add a followup from a and I don't know since Molly's not here maybe we can't get  any followup from the last meeting would we put that on as an amend amending the agenda if we're  asking for followup of like what did they do as far as our request um about the little Library  let's say or about the sculpture program yeah I was going to ask that same question and so I  don't know if that needs to be an agenda item like followup of old business or I it you know  I can I can get the question to Molly and she she can get the answer back to you when she  returns I mean unless you want to put it on the agenda formally we could put it on the agenda  formally and then at least then it would be in the minutes that to be followed up or to get followup um with that added um going I have a motion to accept the agenda I make a motion to accept the agenda I'll second that I'll in favor I I I Madam chair did you amend the agenda for tonight to  include this or did you just yes we we included the you voted on that to okay okay okay now we've got the minutes um for July 25 I move to approve the minutes from July 25 I'll second that all in favor I I I right okay the next thing on the agenda is the input survey for Veterans Memorial Park and I believe  that's talking about the tree yeah and what Molly told me the other day is that we are to I ask her  about the top three because they aren't in that kind of order we have to de side on the top three so and I'm a assuming everybody's had a chance to see this m um I had um some input from some  of my neighbors and um the top three that I heard from them was um Independence Oak um  because of the fact that the seedling was planted about 17 76 right and then also  tree of Valor um because of the fact that it means Valor meaning great courage in the face  of danger it also u means strength um and also strength and encountering danger with firmness  and bravery and then the last one that they um liked was commander because of the presidential streets and then what I had done was I read through the them all and I looked and picked  out the ones that people had multiple times had commented you know so many people and uh came  up with some of those uh Freedom was another one that came up multiple times and uh Patriot came  up multiple times um as did the ones that um Tina suggested uh commander and Independence  so I just thought well if it came up multiple people suggested it at least had something to  go on I mean there were many good ones I was like oh we ever going to figure that out and I I think another one that was mentioned multiple times was General yeah just to add to the confusion thank you confusion je I think it's got to be explained it's not a very good one um Jeff Ratliff was  our um Capital Improvements Project Director uh for years had started with the city down in  public works and then ended up with the capital Improvement projects Department uh very invested  and many projects in the city a lot that went forward a couple that went by the wayside uh  but uh Jeff passed away last year and was name was added I'm certain just uh as a  memorial token because of his length of his service let me ask you one question John if  um like for instance this one is there going to be any kind of plaque explaining who this  person was or is it just the name on the tree and knowing Molly I would imagine there would be an  explanation she's very detailed okay that's that's my first thought the other day when I was seeing  all these that kind of need explanation right yes there will be a plaque we already discuss  as Amy just said if you didn't hear there will be a plaque with the description she and Molly  have discussed it so oh okay John not surprise yes sir did that gentleman Jeff Ratliff have  any input on the redoing of the park uh any think it was a capital Improvement project  yes sir Jeff so he he actually had handson for that Park yes sir he saw a lot of yes sir right I know I was thinking of if we could find a name that would incorporate something  that or indicate that the age and I liked that one um the Patriot because we think of that when  we think of the American Revolution and it would be something that would in incorporate some sense  of of age in it but I wonder if if they decide to have a name for the tree but like a plaque to  Jeffrey um that I don't know Amy have you had been part of any discussions like that yeah there not  will be a black but we're also will explain you know the findings of the tree and how old it is  and why it's so important to the city and actually then if any of those like Independence or Patriot  or whatever were picked at least then if it was explained people would understand get B on age you  know um the significance of that name and I think too that there's an opportunity for a tree for  Jeffrey for at the man Park um they do trees there with plaques with um  the name of the individual and something in remembrance of them at Manatee Park  there's several there so there's an opportunity there for a tree in his name okay I also see on how we do this I also see a Magic Tree on here a couple times um just as ones that I see multiple times I don't think we mentioned that one looks like three  Majestic or Majesty you said no Magic Tree magic there was something where it said that that's what  the kids used to call it in the 80s I guess this one and then it's on here two other times uh so there a sense from anyone how we might go about making a choice something didn't tell  me yesterday I think if we maybe put down the top supposed to give them the top three  we go we we pick the top three so maybe if picked like right down the top six and then  whichever ones get the top votes then those top three are the ones that move on to the  next round right maybe we could do it that way I was kind of thinking if if um we've  got some scrap paper or something we you could just read them off and then we could just might be the easiest yeah quickest we can use the back we can use the back of our minutes  here of our previous we can use the back of this you got your notebook oh how we needs one sheet and then Kathy is you can good girl thank you read them  all off so we know kind of know what you've got so far cuz I think those are good choic  since they've been mentioned multiple times and then I'll read all of these off and first  one was Independence Oak the tree of Valor Commander Freedom Patriot General and Jeff ra Ratliff so put down our top three then out of those seven so we're just going  to write down which three we like is that I guess and we'll see how that see if that  works out can we throw the Magic Tree in there oh and the Magic Tree sorry so  there' be eight so out of eight pick the top three then right that you like okay we going to go through these and see what we've ended up with if any of us we pass them down and see to if we've got somebody that this is kind of hard to  do without having a real ballot kind of thingy he just put down you know one and cross and yeah yeah just count how many votes for each one right eight again one more time sorry okay  we've got independence how did we get those out of the batch  here that people that's what y'all mentioned that's what appealed to you those eight have been mentioned that appealed to you that you didn't get to mention no that's it was Tina's input from her neighbors or or from uh  the citizens and then it was also uh Betsy's um tallies that had which ones  were most and then some other mentions um part of our discussion so those are  the eight that were mentioned during that time that's where we got that eight from yeah okay so who do we give these another way we could do this is write them all down  and then put one two three next to the ones you like the most see if they match we can go ahead and count count what  we've got just see the one that has the most repetition correct all different then we startled but can you tell me the eight again all right  we've got independent wait a second why don't we all write them all down okay change this up right okay we've got independent Oak free of Valor Commander Magic Tree Freedom Patriot General and Jeff rwith call out the name and we can was was it Patriot  Patriot if you guys just want to write one I only have seven then magic what am I missing magic got magic no did miss the Jeff rattet  Jeff rattet that's the that was the eighth one that was the E Yeah General why don't we do that which have the most might be  easier then it'll be whichever one has the lowest score yes like one is your to might help us come to a decision our enumerator yes among your other jobs tonight um did I read off Majesty no Majesty cuz that's one we wrote down to so that was  one of the ones Magic Tree the M oh Magic Tree we had magic tree and then there was a  magesty and I was just writing these things down as people s them okay Kathy are you  collect you want these oh we're gonna hand them over here to thank you Marcy can help me look hey John can you give me another piece of paper we  need one more piece of paper here's a piece right here oh never mind John well first I'm going to write them down okay yeah we can do thatand um the next order of business is to  review the cape Center operational guidelines that the City attorney  Drew up has everybody had a chance to read that and yes and absorb it um I like the fact that he um gave options where he said in several of things like as  far as alcohol and um sponsorships and like that a lot of Andor so it gave us options it  wasn't you know things that were set in stone that was more a little more  flexible right right it it definitely provided some flexibility yeah right I didn't really see any any issues with what was written and I really didn't see anything that was  necessarily missing I didn't but I also haven't read a lot of these types of um I'll go through  and pick and I and I think they also procedures also had said that this was like just the first  of many core documents so that's what I saw and I'm like well until you had them all you  don't really know like what is covered what's not covered the only input that I received was um that  I perceive from people regarding it is the fact that there's no priority as far as um exhibits  by Cape Canaveral citizens as far as that being they feel like there's been a lot of exhibits  by people from outside the city and not um from so much from the citizens and we've got a lot of  great you know artists photographers oh yeah um historians and things like that in the city and  um but I think that's just a case of maybe getting some more publicity out there's been putting stuff  out asking for for that in the newsletter and I wonder if if that really would fall more into  maybe their mission statement or their collections management policy and this is supposed to be their  umic Institution plan that we're looking at so um operational guidelines yeah yeah it's not about  Cape center right not like yeah so that's why I think how how we solicit is might be handled in  a different document or the mission statement may say it should prioritize you know citizens  work from you know or showcase citizens work because we haven't seen or I haven't seen the  mission statement for it really this is just really the basics about operations operational  management of it yeah exactly hence the reason I suppose it was drafted by the attorneys to make  sure that it was all legal legal right and the important things like alcohol and i n d e p n option of excting this is written or rejecting Patriot can I do this back to her yeah well  the the cape Center's currently operating what are they operating on I mean that that would be my question if  um if they if they weren't operating and they were waiting for this document to be signed to  operate then that's one thing but if if they um if they're currently operating then they're not  waiting for this document correct they're not so it could be better than for us to wait till  Molly's here or somebody that's representing the cape Center that would be able to speak I  mean yeah as far as the uh I've heard about the uh lack of representation of Cape Canaveral uh  citizens in in their projects there and when the uh solicitations go out for projects there's no  discrimination it goes out it's advertised uh and it's what you know what we get back  that we're that's what we have to choose from and again you're correct that is Molly and Amy Lee uh  who handled the cape Center uh but I do know that that those solicitations are open to anyone and  everyone um there's no we don't go to any one area and um you know try to spot like that we are we're mindful that that we're part of the Space Coast Area so we want to be inclusive of  that but certainly if a project comes in that's uh or submission that's from a resident here and  it's you know deemed to be better than others then that's what will be selected and won't be  used there on the top of the list right yes ma'am and as far as advertising the calls for art are  sent to all the local art associations I have a very large list our colleges high schools our  um Media Partners is also advertised our weekly update Facebook Instagram Twitter next door all  right now it does say in this in this uh cover page here that this is the the document that we  received is the first of multiple policy documents that the board will review for  this facility so they are operating but obviously they AR operating without any policy really yeah um and I think probably from what it looks like here I think they found they better get  some legal stuff in line possibly because people were asking about private activities or alcohol  guaranteed I rented every every facility we have those questions come in so you you're correct  yeah so I I guess if anybody H if anybody has anything to amend otherwise I guess I would just  say probably not a bad thing to just say approve it and pass it on to the city council because it's  probably something that they want to get wrapped up sooner than later you making um well I just was  going to say is anybody have any amendments that we'd want to put into to he so uh I don't know that I don't know that this will go to city council because on the signature page it has the  uh our board chairperson and it has the city manager so I think that it's going to be the  final uh is going to be with us see I didn't see that we don't see that it's on the the page oh I  I didn't I didn't phot I didn't front back page most important I miss that one is it possible  that um like this is the first of many documents to come and it's going to take a while to get  everything that is necessary but uh this is at least the first step and they probably are given  a certain amount of time I expect to just legally get everything in order and so it really behooves  us to kind of help them get going right and if if you uh look at the signature page that you're  referencing uh it's reads reviewed and recommended by the culture and leader Services Board uh and be  signed by the chairperson and as uh Joel pointed out the city man and that's for the recommendation  so anything binding is is going to go to the council they'll they'll have to vote on it okay  it's not like it can't be revised somewhere down the road and that's part of the process want you  guys to look at it and see if you had anything you that popped out at you there and it doesn't sound  like we do so I would I would go ahead and I would make the official motion to uh to ratify it and um  as is as is presented to us okay second I'll second it are we ready you to take a vote all in favor I I I okay now we can go back to the tree the top three you want to make sure the secretary got the results of the yeah they handed it to me she hand for for the uh receiving the document yes I had the Joel  made the motion Mary seconded it everyone said uh yay except for Brad said perfect thank you  now the three top trees evidently were Independence Valor and Patriot the top  three I'm sorry what were they again it was Independence tree Valor and Patriot according to what we just okay did well I guess then based on our wonderful voting there process  I make the motion that we submit those three top suggestions all in favor I one more thing on here and that is update on board membership and the determine the course  forward regard regard regarding the position of a second alternate we've got a first alternate  we have two Al alternates currently no we've just got one and that is James stby yay and he  is also you know he's allowed to come to the meeting and participate in the conversations  I was hoping he'd be here tonight but he is oh I'm sorry I didn't I nobody introduced you good  you're here that's great that's why do you have any comments wait I guess maybe I'm I'm confused  because we named two alternates right Angel Al and then when Angela alter Tina was one of the  no Tina was was original as was Brad because there's six of us sitting here right now who's  not here she stepped into Angela missing somebody this is this is Jenny because it said Angela's  still out there on the name and I thought oh that was me it's been a while since I've done  sorry well I guess here's my question because according to what the guidelines were which  were so fuzzy when we were looking at this whole process and it hadn't been needed for like ever  because we never had had the problem of having more applicants than we had spots right and so  the whole alternate thing you know we we wrestled with that for a while but it was my understanding  from the way that document read and when we wrestled with it was the alternate positions  are either for one they fill in if if a regular member isn't here or two if somebody leaves in  the middle of their term then they would take and fill out that term correct that's why you  had the an alternates now Angela's term was over yeah it was not that she had left in the  middle of her term so then it should it just go to the alternate or should it be what if  there had been other people since whenever last spring when we collected these uh applications  that other people had put in applications should that not have been opened up for anyone to be uh  filling that three-year commitment because when an alternate takes a spot like Tina  and Brad did they were taking somebody's spot for a year or two years or whatever Larry and um are we bad or whatever we're horrible um do you know you know what I'm saying yeah I  I'm just looking at how they usually do it on you know most boards and things like that so that's  where I kind of got confused as to when Angela leave so let's say and I can't remember and I  look through my stuff and I know at one time Molly gave us like who's up when and what's  date and but I thought that it was always like at a certain time of the year like always in October  or something that or whatever that your time is up it's online yeah I know it's online but it's not  like everybody has a different date I didn't think I thought it was kind of always well I was told I  was filling in for a person who left and that it was a very short term and then they automatically  said you're now you're going into the three-year term because you filled that short position so  now next you're going into the three-year term correct but it wasn't automatically okay if you  remember you I know I did got uh an email from the city stting congratulations you've been extended  for the next years appar there was another vot oh okay what did it say what did it say  excuse me uh Mr PLL and Miss Freeman they were not alternates no they were appointed to the board so  correct she just came she's talking about when the person left she just came on early um oh so only  uh Mr stobby and uh Jenny are they're the only alternates we have right but I thought that like  I and I don't remember you know like Larry I know left early he did not fill out his three  years term and so I thought that when we took someone to fill that seventh that sixth spot or  seventh spot or whatever I can't remember the other spot came from um although I think we  were always running one short weren't we I didn't know we were supposed to have seven in the first  place yeah and I think we were only running six and then Larry left and then we had five  um so possibly one person was filling out you know could start with a three-year term cuz that was  nobody's so what'll happen is now miss trulock her uh term is over so now the first alternate  will step into that seat you've already vetted her the board's already I'm saying is what if a bunch  of other people had put in their applications why would that seat being it's a three-year not a not  just a midyear or mid cycle opening why would that not be open to anyone again I assume because the  process has been followed um I mean this is kind of something new they've never had this  situation where they exactly and we went through months right of getting everybody everyone vetted  uh through the process with you guys up to the council the votes the hearings they had and the  votes they made and that's as as I understand it to be that when Angela's term ended like baseball  right with your bench we got a person there that's what I thought to put up um right I know when I  submitted my application and I was being vetted there was nine candidates and then they basically  you know picked the All-Star team so like your baseball analogy so they picked the top ones and  said okay this one you know and you and then the board voted okay this one's going to be fill this  spot this one's going to be the alternate so there was going to be first alternate second alternate  so they would a you know go ahead and slide in to those empty spots and that's why the first  alternate and the second alternate were chosen because of the fact of the turnover um that's what  the way what that's what I understood well this is this is interesting what they have online because  I I guess that was never explained to us in this way the dates they have here of the so I I guess  for clarification the question is do you guys want to add another alternate because now we're  taking an alternate and placing them on the board as an active member uh not how the process works  that that that if there is a question before the board that would be it and well I mean I'd like  to make a motion that we take the next alternate and place them on the on the U vacated seat on  the board well they they did already oh and that was Jenny yes okay jny and then and then now do  we still have another vacant seat there were three three folks that were not chosen as an alternate  or anything else that the people would be still interested um yeah but that I mean that would be  for another meeting yes we can't it's not on the agenda it's something I guess we have to decide  the problem here is there isn't a written policy on how this happens poliy that was written was not  what happened well then that we can bring that up at another meeting and I think I think that  the policy if if this is a great thing that people want to be involved which it is so we don't want  to discourage this but then we also don't want to make people um not see not understand what  the policy is or to be able to read the policy as to how this goes because if all boards should  be so lucky that they have people who want to participate then I think people should be aware  of what the policy is and the policy as we read it when we were discussing this we know was very mad  chair that's not on the agenda tonight um if you want to bring this up for discussion in another  meeting you can yes ma'am thank you and I think that in that policy then it should be discussed  or it should be evaluated how you deal with the first alternate second alternate and when one has  to get moved up what do you do with the opening of the second one or or how how is that process done  because you could say well we have one alternate that's great but then again what is their  responsibility are is their respons responsibility since they're listed now is having expiration term  which I don't know if the alternates understood uh online now it's listed that they have what's  their responsibility are their responsibility that they are to come to the meetings um or ask for an  excuse because so that they stay up to date with what's going on so if one of the regular board  members M present again this is for discussion at another meeting thank you we'll move on well  that's why we're we're dis that's why this is under discussion right now I made a note to get  it on yeah the agenda I can tell you that when I met with Molly the other day um talking about the  alter she explained to you how they can come to the meetings we want them to come to the meetings  so they know what's going they can't V vote but they can speak and exactly but I don't know if  there but that's what I'm saying is that you know every job description or if you're going  to apply for something you you need to know what that job description is and what's expected of  you well I've I've put a note here to put this specifically on that we need to that we and we  can do a little bit of research and and make sense of it before Mak and I do remember her  saying even when she pulled out that policy that we kind of had to use to what we were going to do  here I think it need to be clarified it was very old and she was kind of like well yeah you know  this really needs to be Rewritten or Revisited and um and and especially if we want to encourage more  participation of people um I think it's good to be have clarity as to what people are signing up  for it's been very confusing yeah to everybody we we haven't had this the type of thing where  we had so many people all of a sudden and and to get to the number of people that are sitting  on the board tonight all this started back in December and we are finally it was a very long  and winding path to get here and in a way when I looked that there were three people that were  not included in any office how long do you wait to go back to them if there is if alternates are  getting used and say in like our respect we need a second alternate how long do we keep those people  as eligible when it becomes months since well I think we need to talk about the policy at the  next meeting I've made I'm going to put it on the agenda and do some research and we'll have that  um so we can go ahead and move on tonight yeah please and the next thing on the agenda is Mr maybe uh hold on sorry before we move on um it says the board may take one of the following  actions regarding this vacancy um recommend a previously interviewed candidate to fill the  position direct staff to solicit new applicants to fill the position leave the position of second  alternate vacant I would move that we recommend that they we leave the position of second  alternate vacant until we come up with a policy that's written and clear on uh the expectations  of those that are um that are alternates and then how we would um fill the alternate roles and how  the alternates become um board members so so we get some more clarity so so of those three choices  that was uh brought forward in the agenda item I would I would move that we'd leave it vacant  until we get more clarity on how the process works so that means Mr scobby moves up to the  first alternate position correct he's currently the only alternate if anyone would step off the  board he would step in and fill that position um and but we would not have a second alternate  until we get some clarity on on are we going to keep pulling from a pool um can you be  alternates on multiple boards like how how do all those things work and then um when do we  vote in new alternates would it only be once every year um that we take applications or  are is it an ongoing list of applications and the first application that's brought we  review it when when there's a an opening you know there's there's a couple different ways  that you could go about that because I did find the policy that she gave us and if you  read it it it only talks about using alternates to fill out the appointed term of a person who  leaves before the end of their term that's all it says as far as the policy and you  know obviously they come with an a regular member can't and all of that kind of stuff  it doesn't really talk about you know how they should be selected or so yes and how  long their term is and all that right I'm making notes I'm going to lots of questions has made a  motion to leave the second alternate vacant for the time being until we figure out exactly what  we need to do and I second that motion all in favor I I I and and if you want to make  I would say make a followup to Molly there that I think that if being that this um procedure was from I've got the date on it here copy um I'll definitely meet with her at least once before the next meeting possibly they'll need  to to start to revise that procedure policy as far as around board members and and uh alternates to  be more current so is everybody in favor of that motion leave it empty for the time being okay all  right now it's Mr Mayberry's time um just uh the updates on the baseball field uh I submitted for  my purchase order on the new load of clay we're uh installing out there the guys have been doing some  work in the last week uh doing some Landscaping out there it looks pretty good right now so we  want to get new clay I'm ordering uh new bases and Home Plate um and I think that that should  be pretty good setup for them to go forward they have a new uh board uh they were electing members  last week and Joel just confirmed that they did get that completed I have to speak with them and  get their schedule so we can coordinate times for the bathrooms and everything over there for  game time and practice since those things are on timers uh so some coordination to everything to  make sure we've got every all the bases covered no pun intended um we've been uh participating in  cleanup around town after the storms thankfully we didn't get hit bad uh anywhere and so that's  we're almost through with that about have that wrapped up had some uh small issues with some  of the roof but nothing nothing major at all so that's pretty much where we are right now  we've got projects the next meting meeting I'll be updating you on that we're getting started  on but I'm in the beginning stages of those right now planning and getting everything lined up any questions and then as far as those two amended it the agenda pass there's some other places I can look but I'll make sure we get it for next meeting and I'll put  it on the agenda um and Molly's not here to give her part so but she had a family emergency came  up out of nowhere today we were in a meeting when she got to call and she left and then she's got  her vacation her uh favorite time of the year is Halloween so she takes Halloween week off uh so  that was already planned so she won't be back until after uh the 1 of November but can can I  make two comments real fast um first off I and and your uh maintenance team are doing a fantastic job  thank you second that to to be uh short-handed and taking care of all the parks and with the storm  coming through and everything that that they've done and and the other guys chipping in with him  fantastic job so uh yeah that's just hands down we've got uh Brian who was Ian's partner on the  maintenance team uh submitted his application when we had a supervisory position position came open  and he was selected for that so we moved him he's now in the community center in C5 working  there U so we hired a replacement for him and we were allotted a new maintenance person this  new uh fiscal year so um I have two interviews tomorrow and one on Monday and then we'll be  making a selection for the third person so things are looking up but thank you for the I'll pass it  along to the guys they absolutely yeah they work hard um second thing is Veterans Memorial Park  looks amazing like it's just it's what it looks amazing thank you it's incredible you guys did  an a great job and uh and it just keeps looking better all the time so thanks for that uh yeah and  Monday we are slated and excuse me because we' got interviews and all this other stuff but uh  Veterans Memorial Park uh we've talked so much about the tree tonight everybody knows that we  were planning to put a fence around it to keep the kids and things out cuz they climb in it and break  branches off so we're slated weather permitting uh Monday this coming Monday the fence is going  to be installed um so hopefully that'll be done by the middle of the week uh they got a lot of  roots to work around out there but that that's going to be nice you know if there's going to  be like some dedication ceremony about the tree or something yes ma'am the on Veterans Day yes ma'am  Monday the 11th November 9th yeah actually um the BFW and the American Legion are currently  working on a veterans parade and um they will be doing a ceremony at BMP after that and  then they will have a get together in the lot where we normally do Friday Fest that  is scheduled for Saturday November the 9th at 1111 a.m. the parade route will go down  Taylor um they will turn a left on Ridgewood they will come up Harrison to Orange and come back to  VMP so you know come out and and cheer them on and watch the parade we think it's going to be great Mr Mayberry yes quick question or actually first a comment then a question first I think  our little league baseball field is very maybe people don't no uh but I was a umpire okay in  a former life and the field and the field is in excellent condition as you know I live by  Sandpiper in the field quick question is there room on the field or near the field to put in  a batting cage I have to check into that okay I think uh we have a topnotch facility there you  have excellent lighting okay I know there's other improvements uh you all are thinking about doing  doing but watching the kids practice I believe a batting cage is something whether it's boys  or girls it would come down to a question of space because we've got so much with the  splash pad there and as you live there as you just stated you saw all the we had to redig all the uh  piping up right and redo it so that whole area that is kind of open has got it's just nothing  but sewage pipe and storm water underneath there so it would be finding a space that we could put  one I agree with you it would be nice um it can be placed on the field because the ground rules  would say once the ball touches the C age it's a dead ball and the runner and the batter Runner  immediately gets second base and all Runners move up one base that's in the rules okay something  to think about okay we can get together and talk about it yeah yes one unire to another yes I just kind of wanted to mention especially for the new new people are in alternate here um  because we got messed up in our schedule of meetings because of the hurricane um that we  do have a meeting November 21st so it is in one month which is unusual I thought it was January okay thanks for that reminder okay is there anything else or do we have a motion to adjourn um I make  a motion that meeting is called to uh for adjournment I'll second all in favor I I I