e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e e phone on so do we are we recording we want to do the Pledge of Allegiance and get us started yes yeah well that's what I'm trying to do okay I know everybody's okay we're starting the meeting start with the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge to the FL flag United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all well thank you all for coming if you if you can put your turn your mics on that way um hard to hear people like me that and also for the stream we're being streamed right now so um that way people can listen in if they need if they if they are coming in and if not they can listen later on um and so we have with us Bob Church the County engineer and uh I think that would be our first uh item just to be respective of your time U Bob and so we're going to give you the floor um yeah I didn't really come prepared with any specific thing but um just sort of recap what the County's done obviously we've uh res surface Pittsburgh Avenue installed the bike Lanes along there last year um um Beach Avenue it's resurfaced we're in the process now of doing the final striping that should be done by May 14th and we're currently resurfacing Lafayette Street um the idea is to have that done prior to Memorial Day uh it'll be weather dependent it'll definitely be paved whether all the striping will be done um we'll have to see it just depends upon the weather on that particular project there is also some uh decorative uh epoxy brick papaver treatments for the crosswalks at Ocean decator and up at Jackson Street and also um from Jackson to Purry in that sort of historic district area by the mall so that's I'm not sure when that's going to be scheduled we're hoping to get that all done before Memorial day as well that's also weather dependent um we're actually having a field meeting tomorrow Tom with the subcontractor on that so that's sort of where we stand with the projects in Kate May um we have a little bit of um utility work we have to do at on Texas Avenue that was an emergency condition that came up I guess it was in February the city had a sewer line that had to be replaced our drainage line was just above that so that got impacted so we are going to be doing some uh work on on about 200 ft of that line and trying to get a schedule on that but the idea is to get that done also Before Memorial Day if not we would complete it sometime uh during the first or second week in June so that's basically where we're at with projects did I hear you right saying that the striping on Beach Avenue for bike lanes and Continental cross walks would be done by May 14th MH yeah yeah they actually it probably be done before that that was the date that they told me because I had asked that's when contractually they're supposed to be out of there um I had asked them if they needed you know a few days extension and they they were very confident that they didn't so it looks like they should be cleaned up with that probably by Monday so yeah I just drove down um just to you know quickly see how far along they got I I went down I believe it was Congress and turn left down to uh Madison and everything is everything's done there completely bike Lanes uh I'm amazed are uh in in most places it's just from Ocean to um not that far down there the the road's way too narrow for a bike lane but it picks up again before Madison right at Madison yeah we were able to get dedicated bike Lanes on most of the road um the areas where we don't they have to put the Chevrons in and they started with the advanced marking Lane text and stuff yeah um they got a crew out there today doing thermal work so they'll they're fairly quick when they you know set up so I I don't really have any uh doubt that they'll be done by Monday okay very good sounds great yeah no does that mean on the bike Lanes there will be I don't know what you call them but you know pictures of the bicycle yeah so yeah there'll be pictures I think there's well there's a the picture of a guy on a bike in bike lane and then at locations where we can't put a bike lane and the biker transition into the active Lane there's the the showers as that go in so they haven't put those in yet usually they're the last thing do but but they'll be in the next week or two yeah that'll be part of the completion of the project I think there's also um bike lane signs that get mounted at the curve line as well you know opposite where the the um sent for the bik guy so that that'll all be done by Monday I and then the crossings will all be the Continental Crossings yeah the high visibility yeah so that's great and I know you had a a little conversation here before we got started but again just for the record um the the speed limits and on on uh Lafayette Street and trying to calm that down what do you what do you see is potential solutions to well right now we the speed limit is 25 through the corridor so the project that we're doing now includes I think we narrowed the lanes to 10 ft um that helps because it visually makes a driver feel like you're in a cattle sheet that so that should help to some extent but we also we have Continental crosswalks in there and we have some like across the scho we put the drop off Lane in in a buffer Gore area between the active Lane and you know the Park Lanes we also part of that project is a right turn lane at St John's that we added down the park and everything so that's in there now so I think with the markings I'm I'm not sure off my memory whether we actually put Lane text reinforcing the speed limit in the lane to say 25 miles per hour but if speeding is problematic after the project is finished that would be the first thing that we can do which is a relatively quick and inexpensive way so basically what we've done on other roads where there's been speeding problems is we'll put 25 M hour large text in the tribel lane like every th000 ft or 800 ft so if people people missed the sign they're definitely seeing that you generally that helps bring better awareness to people there's some people are just going to ignore the speed limit um but the average person that might sort of be oblivious when they're driving because they're missing sign when they see that it tends to get compliance so that would be our first thing and then the other thing that we could consider our speed tables but that would be something that you know we sort of be a last resort um we also have radar feedback signs that are I believe part of this project so bounces back what your traveling speed is and then at the um I think at the elementary school at the main Crossing it's a wider Continental crosswalk and I think there's an RFB that we're putting in so if a student needs to Cross or a pedestrian uh they pushed a button and it's the flashing uh crosswalk sign so that tends to calm traffic too because people see that in advance when it's flashing so I'm I'm sorry that was at the school not at Madison it's at the school at Madison that's a our standard you know pedestrian push button assemblies all that's been upgraded so it's all Ada accessible um and obviously has the crosswalks and things like that the countdown meters so I mean everything at that intersection is a lot higher visibility I think we all back plates on all the traffic signals uh head so you know you can see them with the sun glare and stuff okay it's all part of this project MH let me ask if if there was sentiment on the part let's say of us the uh the bicycle committee and in the town what it what about speed bumps I mean Allah what's happening out at K May Point um there it is that a a county decision yeah yeah so we put them in uh that was part that was part of a u a separate uh Traffic Safety Improvement plan specifically for the Burrows so there was uh we did a meeting out there and we did speed tables um some other drainage improvements we also tightened up radiuses so that would be something if there was continued speeding on Lafayette Street in the city felt it was problematic they could send us a request and it would be something we we could consider doing as a separate Standalone project later on so but the process would be something initiated by the city passed on as a request to the county yes yes and we you know obviously we like documentation that it actually is a problem with speeding so the you know something from the police maybe citations or whatever to back it up because it is expensive to put them in the other issue when you start putting them in is you still have drainage issues because uh obviously the speed table's raised up so sometimes if you have your you still have to maintain flow in the curb line um so the you know the speed table needs to terminate at the fog line well in on Lafayette Street it's not wide enough to do that so what's essentially going to happen is you're going to be running that 3in level of asphalt right to the curb which means we're going to have to replace the curb because you're not going to have enough reveal and also if there's water that was running down that curve line now it's being restricted so it creates drainage issues in in addition to just the speed table if it was a wide Road like on Cape Avenue that that already had 5 foot shoulders so we were pretty much able to terminate the you know flare of the speed table on the pave shoulder um so that you could still maintain your flow line so that that's the only issue on laf Lafayette Street it depends where those things would be um there is a section where Lafayette streets wider and you could terminate it but I think the other Lane's still narrow you know what I mean so it would really just look at we'd have to see what the grading is if it was if the speed table was going to go in on the high point of the road where the water breaks each way it's not a problem but if it's anywhere where the water is continuing to flow to an inlet that speed table is going to interrupt that flow so it it complicates and makes it a more expensive proposition so but a lot of considerations there yeah yeah until you actually start looking at you don't realize you know what I mean but if it was a road that like I say you had five or eight foot wide shoulders it would not be an issue because we could terminate the edge of the speed table in the shoulder and it would not affect B we um as a committee U have done a fair amount of research uh with the Madison Avenue Lafayette intersection in mine um would you mind going through that again I mean I was writing I and so what what we've done to make that is you know of course that that the the level of safety awareness in that intersection is probably the the uh the highest wrong Lafayette yeah so on at that intersection all the traffic signals have been replaced so so um that's the first thing I think they went from a an 8 in Signal head to a 12 so it's much more visible and then there's back plates placed on those signals so you can see them even even like if it's not a not a glaring day it just makes the signal head look better bigger so it gives you more visual awareness and then all the um crosswalks have The Pedestrian push button so someone that wants the cross pushes the the button there's also a uh you know an assembly pedestrian assembly with the hand and a countdown so that you know you know how much time you have to cross the crosswalk so all that um adds to the safety of it and makes it a much you know much safer condition we also as part of striping there was a request because there's a a I guess a bike the part of the bike Network comes up Madison so we were putting the we call them the elephant tracks which are the little Dash lines that sort of guide you into the school driveway as you're coming across that that's going to be striped as part of this contract then there's some other um bicycle improvements markings that are part of that other contract that we have not bid yet that I think it starts at uh Pittsburgh Avenue extends all the way up to Madison so so that'll be captured when that's done I think it goes through maybe Michigan Street or Michigan Avenue um and then it eventually terminates up on Madison into the school okay so but we're under this contract we're doing that those markings that sort of guide a bike across that intersection to the school driveway because there's really nothing there at this point to sort of direct the bike so and and you referred to and and I've heard it before you know when you have something in the road the the drivers are more likely to see it uh and observe it we all part of the research we've done talked about green a green box there is that is that within the rumble possibility it it is um we we have just to give you some background like the green boxes they're a uh conditionally allowed um traffic Improvement in other words when we do a project it's Guided by the mutcd the manual uniform traffic control devices and those green boxes are referenced as a conditionally permitted thing that you could do in a municipality uh but you have to get fhwa approval Federal Highway approval to do that um fortunately it's a lot it's a lot of nonsense painted green but fortunately we have another project that is in design and while it where those boxes were proposed so we do have that approval so it would just be a matter of us you know doing a contract to put the green boxes in so if if there was a need for or something that um later on the city felt would be advantageous then we could we could do that relatively easy because we already have the approval to do it yeah I'm just thinking of the users of that intersection being somewhere from K through six MH and so I don't I I you can't depend on a kid to push the button yeah they're just they're just going to be riding across that thing and so anything we can do to make that the driver think man something's going on here maybe I should slow down um yeah I mean we obviously we have school the school head text that goes on the road now that's that's something that's there but um we could put the green boxes in um we're obviously going to have the the sharos put in when that other project comes through um if we've done we've done Lane Texas say pedestrian Crossings ahead we generally don't do those it signalize intersections because it's already a controlled intersection but that would be something that we could also do um the other thing we've also done uh is we put in Rumble Stripes which I'm not sure if there's any around here that we've done uh when you're going out on Seashore Road over the bridge heading toward the mnik school MH when we did that project there's a you know the crosswalk at the base of the bridge yes we put Rumble stripes in with pedestrian text ahead that that could be something we could do the problem with that is a lot of people that live there they object to the sound you know what I mean but that's definitely something that could be considered or just the lane text itself pedestrian Xing ahead um there are things that we could do okay thanks it's good to know you already have approval for that in case uh that becomes an issue yeah I think we actually use that to um we did a connection excuse me between uh cvw Avenue in the uh former US Coast Guard base or that for that bike path and we painted that um access green so we have done it it's it sounds like you're reluctant though to use those green boxes unless yeah it's just not something count countywide that we generally do um like I say if there's a if there's a definite need we would put it in yeah um I I mean all I can say is that from this committee's view it's been a passion to have that box put in that location right um and again because you know most of the the uh safe um what is it called the safe School the safe path the school safe rout to school I mean the kids coming from the Coast Guard are coming down Pennsylvania to Michigan to Madison which you know Madison Begins the really the tough part of the ride which will have sharrows um in the future but you know what we are concerned about is a group of kids getting up to that intersection and the cars that are wanting to turn right on Lafayette are the problem right clearly people turning left or not so the only way you know it's clear to those folks that the bicycles are there and really should have the right away we think is the green box and for them to get I mean I you're right there's a button there they could they can really walk their bike over hit the button and walk across the intersection but they're they're not going to do it right so that's why I I mean if it's a pro I mean before this next school year if it's a problem we could probably get the boxing in um you know before school starts it's not a major thing for us to do um and with that being a school right there sort of Justified what what we don't want to do you know if we if we start using them at a certain location where it's not necessarily warranted mhm then it becomes a countywide initiative where we're getting 16 other municipalities asking for stuff that they yeah you know I mean but I mean I understand it with the proximity of the school it it probably is a unique Foundation that's it's something that we could probably put in there yeah yeah I mean that's it's our sense not that we have the data for you but it's it is the it's the main main path that did these plans um for you know Lafayette and Madison and uh get their opinion as far as the location and stuff so we can get that set up but uh it it's not like I say it's not a big cost it's just it becomes a big cost if we have to do it everywhere everywhere you know what I mean understood yeah we and again not that this is totally unique but between the the traffic patterns the the lack of parking so no no designated bike Lanes on that little section of Madison and you know the real estate agency right in front of Madison and not the school I I think it's okay be appropriate yeah because I I think Madison and Washington is just as dangerous as Madison and Lafayette that's that's my take as far as the kids riding their bikes to school and back you know yeah well but but Lafayette you know you got people coming into town that traffic on that road is just oh yeah it's a Inc yeah yeah yeah I'll have them give us a recommendation as the location of the box and we could probably get something done before starts I I think that we feel pretty strongly about it but um if you can swing it and keep it lowkey if you want us to camouflage it off seon like I say and I think there's money I I believe there's also money in the budget of that eight years now yeah the the money issue for this isn't it's not yeah right it's not a big deal anyway so it's it's really I just want to make sure that the Box gets put in the appropriate location because we has to you know comply to mutcd if we did something yes yeah right that's good okay does anybody else have any questions for uh Bob well I I don't know how what your level of involvement so far is but uh how about the uh the roundabout out um there by CVS yeah so just what what what's the status of of that project so the potential project the plant have been pretty much done for seven or eight years um the issue was we had to acquire RightWay in order to do it and one person wasn't willing to give us the RightWay but we sort of worked that out now um it was originally part of a I think a tap Grant but um that Grant had expired there's a second round of uh grants but the problem is I think a lot of the other counties in the South Jersey the uh Transportation Planning organization jurisdiction have already put in projects for it so we were going to just proceed with that as a non-grant funded project at this point um it would expedite things um so at this point probably in the fall we'll be pursuing that to sort of get our easements and get everything in line um there's a possibility it could be a fall of 25 construction project we would want to start it in the fall because of the traffic and the duration of construction um so that that's basically where that stands at this point so we haven't we haven't abandoned it we we actually put it on hold for a while because there really wasn't any resolution with the rightaway issue but that has been resolved now um um as far as what we can provide that property owner and what he was willing to to do um we do have to go back through the um uh appraisal process for that so there's going to be payments to the people that were taking property on which we we did all that I guess like four years ago um until we got to that road block with the one property and then it sort of blew everything up so we still have to go back through that project process and get new appraisals and stuff so it's going to take some time so that's what I'm saying we probably won't be actually doing the project until the fall 25 but um it'll be something over this winter that we prioritize and get back up to speed so okay thank you sounds good George you have any questions about that no I'm was pretty up to speed on that I mean basically I think we sent plans of that roundabout over to nothing really has changed as far as the layout of the roundabout we've um I think we were we were doing some expanded shoulder parking area for the lumber company as a result but it didn't have any impact on the actual layout of that roundabout that was already submitted years ago so from that perspective I mean we're you know ahead of the game because the plans are basically done it's just all these other lingering issues with RightWay in easements and appraisals that now have to be taken care before we can advance the project so since we're talking a lot about striping when's it appropriate to discuss what striping we would want to run through that um roundabout or around that roundabout because that's one of the main bike paths park at Boulevard is one of the main bike paths from the campground back down to the beach so I would suspect you're going to get a lot of bikers in fact if I was them that's the way I would go not down Broadway so going around the roundabout and then continuing down park on the other side of Perry um but that's not your road that's Kate May's road we probably would want to stripe that all the way down to the lifeguard station because that's that's a straight shot right um and we're doing a project on Park and Central to put sidewalks in all the way around from Broadway down to Leeming on both sides of the street so that's going to be a huge project yeah well that would tie in with the uh the Sunset Boulevard um shared use path as well because we're that project is a separate 10- foot pathway Boardwalk whatever um from the sunken ship all the way up to Seashore road so at that point they would have to continue across I guess go through the roundabout out and down park right if they bypass Seashore Road and then get onto the seashore road bike path to to head out you know toward the canals right right um but yeah that would those markings would all have to be coordinated we have a separate striping plan for that because we actually were in the process of doing a tap application today I submitted it for that project and that was one of the things we wanted to show was the continuity of that shared use path to all the other bike Lanes including your cuz yours goes down um I guess it's park it is Park this is what we're talking about yeah yeah and so that's where that whole thing would tie in because seure Road or Broadway isn't really wide enough right so well well that's exactly what I'm saying because when you hit where duckies is in front of the Barrow I'd like to see the people head down correct Central and Park where there are bike Lanes then around the roundabout and then down to Grant right Street beach which rather than get killed on Broadway right which is yeah cuz our ours ours Lanes actually stop at that location but it as part of this this the um you know the the sunset Bou project we would we really should better Dyan the bike route at that point to turn because that's a tough spot cuz you're once you hit Pacific the you're you're in stores it's the can it's the pizza to store the so I don't know how you get through that area safely right yeah and that was that was our thought was we would be basically be bypassing that whole thing coming around um with the bike lane and the continuity connected to our stu okay okay okay very good anybody else no thank you very much thank you appreciate your surprise visit and it was constructive let me know yeah let me know if I need to do anything about those trailers yeah keep keeps asking yeah no it's like I say location anything like that CU I locations they didn't yeah okay okay so um when I go back I'll follow Andrew because um I know the trailers like I say they were rewired and ready to be put out so I just make sure they work unbelievably well we put one out on Broadway and I and I literally can sit on my porch and watch everybody turns the corner where the I don't know right past the there's a turn on Broadway they see the the flashing thing and they put the brakes on it's it's beautiful but this is for the trucks right so but it's for everybody I mean normally people drive down there 35 mil hour and now everybody slows down okay so we might think about putting uh maybe permanent permanent one in each Direction just past that curve like between leing and and sixth um we could talk about I mean this is not meeting but no it's good permanent one what we normally do is if you pass a resolution and send it to us because it's a cost obviously no I know I know um but that's all I need to sort of um validate okay putting it yeah since because since we've gone to the 25 mph speed limit a couple of things when when you when it turns from Seashore to Broadway at Stimson there's really no delineation doesn't say reduced Speed Ahead there's no sign that says that it's just the flashing radar screen and there's one 25 M hour speed limit sign just past stiming but if I'm new in it I I have no so maybe we put something up at say reduced Speed Ahead 25 miles an hour because I I honestly don't think people have any idea yeah what we generally do is we'll put it right on the lane reduce Speed Ahead so that you're Dro that would be unbelievable because yeah I mean that I I just don't think it's super mar and I don't know if we can do it I mean we put signs up we don't normally put stuff on bar because that's your jurisdiction yeah it be something we would have to do okay so you want a resolution request yeah that and also for the other um permanent radar yeah I mean I think on Broadway with the summer traffic and all those crosswalks you guys were out redoing the crosswalk signs um I mean people walking across the street from the school people walking across the street to the Westside Market it's just having them see the sign to slow down before they hit that area would be unbelievable okay yeah and people would love that okay great no thank you I'll definitely put that on our okay yeah agenda to get that a resolution that we would like those we get a lot of those requests from you know the general public as well and that's what we basically ask them is to go to the municipal body to send us the resolutions yeah and the same thing exists on Sunset I and I know that's all going to be done but it goes from 40 where it's in lower then it's 35 at Bay Shore then it's 25 at Atlantic so and there's no delineation except maybe one little sign I mean so when we do talk about the striping I'm sure we'll have an opportunity to do that oh yeah we we should think about putting something up more permanent we wanted to try to reduce the speed them in all the way along that road if we could get that to 25 that would be unbelievable I know that when we are looking at uh speed tables and stuff as part of that on Sunset yeah it's part of design so yeah and Stimson would be another gun to look at okay all right thanks appreciate it all right thanks Bob yeah um tables on Sunset for bikes because that is a mess yeah if I could mention um we have a a gentleman here Mr Garcia um he was at our city council meeting last night I was um told by the assistant clerk that you would be here would you like to come up and sit at a chair and turn your mic on that'd be great or this one right here you can come right here you know the um the reason for having him come in is he had mentioned one particular um Crossing pedestrian crossing that's a concern um what I I should have mentioned is actually it probably um it would be a better meeting for him to attend with the engineering firm next month next month yeah because they're obviously the ones that are making all the we I I don't think I said it last night but we had U we got a a Federal grant for $200,000 okay to contract with a firm to basically for Cape Island uh so it's going to involv West Cape May Cap May Point K and Cape May um but these guys are coming in to really look at all of our pedestrian um and safety and this is the kind of issue they're going to they're going to analyze most of the island so um it's something that you know if you have personal experience with it would be good to talk to them yeah um my was everybody there last night or were you all you folks there last night the me no okay no well for the benefit of people who weren't my main concern is is that there's one of the exits to soldiers and sailor Park that comes out of the park on the Ocean Street side of the park and it goes straight across to the John Craig house I believe it is and then that one I I I never even thought about it until one of my neighbors got hit and severely injured back in September the 3D 2021 and and she was you know a lot of you know a severe injury she's okay now I think um but when I looked at it I it really just stood if you go to that indust go to that maybe you probably all familiar with it but when you when you step out of that exit think about it you you only got one step and you're in the car Lane there's no buffer zone for Park you know most most uh um Crossing walk crosswalks you really are stepping through a parking lanee first before you get into the you get into the the car Lane but this one has no no mercy you know you were one step and you're in it so if anybody's distracted so and obviously the driver is responsible because there's a crosswalk there but if anybody's distracted both sides could prevent it but uh that one is really dangerous I think and take a look at it when you pass through soldiers there's another one on the other side that's the same exact thing but but but it it really isn't as dangerous because the cars have to turn off Colombia one way they come they may have to make a turn to get in there but the one on on Crossing to the John Craig house they've already made a stop at Ocean come down the block and if if they don't really notice that crosswalk they've stopped at a crosswalk already at Ocean and and Colombia now they're coming to this other one which exits the park and you know you can see maybe they not going and there's nothing there and usually there's it's it's a tight spot too so putting putting a uh stop for pedestrians in the crosswalk uh which probably should have is it's probably going to get run over pretty quickly because it's a tight thing but and there also should be a warning I think anyway for people coming out of the park think about it you know you know like almost like a stop sign for the pedestrians but that's my basic concern our house is around the corner from that and uh just every time I ever since I heard of that accident and I passed through there I I really think about it you know somebody could get killed there very easily and something needs to be done somehow it it you know it's a tricky spot well interestingly enough I was on my bike going east on Columbia came through there a woman stepped into the crosswalk and I almost hit her and I'm on my bike yeah because that's how tight it was and it it it shook me here I am a member of this committee and I didn't I wasn't watching because there is no warning right they're there yeah yeah and the previous Monument before the park was built didn't have that problem because it was all block it was totally reconfigured now you got these that exit and it's just dangerous what's your first name Mr G Peter thank you and um I know one of my other neighbors had made a comment about it to a council meeting after right more more recent after that accident and I don't think anything's been done I had tried to call a couple times uh and under the previous administrator for the city Mike Mike B yeah and it just felt I I kept being persistent but it it didn't go anywhere and and maybe you need like an H HPC connection to see what you can do there but something needs to be done well what what Mike mentioned to you uh is that we have this this Consultant Group who we're going to look at everywhere and they're very I think they're very um attentive to our comments too so okay we we'll certainly tell them next month and you're welcome to come back if you'd like yeah we're not always here but you know FR you know when it is second uh second Wednesday of the month Wednesday of the month yeah I think we are we already have a date June 10 or let me see here we have June Wednesday is the 15th that's it June 15th yeah may be a problem but I'm pretty sure that's it um you know and what time do they do you have them I'm sorry June 12th June 12 12th okay yeah second Wednesday if we're here I'll I'll come you know they they they are gathering and have gathered historical information on intersections anyway about accidents and fatalities and all that so I'm wondering if they have any historical information over the last two or three years well if you look at it has to be a police report because there were ambulances and things 93 2021 uh so the and I don't know I haven't heard of anything since but they could be it's just it's just an accident waiting to happen that that crosswalk as far as I'm concerned after hearing what happened to to my neighbor so um well it's this it's it's a different time now I don't I'm not sure how long this committee has been together but um it certainly wasn't brought to us before and this committee um can certainly play a role in if we focus on something we can get help it's for sure and with these Engineers coming in it's it's an ideal time um they're going to make Rec they're going to make recommendations for improvements on the island and then we'll submit for Federal grant to implement um I think there's another 600,000 available to implement all the changes that come up with this plan so okay what's your name Jeff V Jeff viser v c r e okay I won't ask anybody else one name in a time for me it's good it's all right I'll take I'll be happy to be on the hot seat for that one that's no it's because I i' I've experienced it myself so yeah yeah what your bicycle it was that very crosswalk you were okay just about two weeks ago yeah oh my gosh there's somebody here yeah yeah and you mhm okay yeah thank you thank you very much I'm glad I I said you you don't have to stay the whole meeting you can just pop in sure and if if we're here on the on the 12th at 9:30 I'll be here that's great okay all right thank you thank you very much thank you uh anybody any any more old business I don't have any George none new business I I'm sitting here by myself side he walks in sits down and I and I thought he was Mr Gra course he was here before but I I didn't recognize him for some reason but sat down and said I can't believe he was here yeah I know he never shows up what he's supposed to no I mean can you imagine I mean we we we were there was a lot of talk about not having this meeting and we the three of us supp we had we need to have this meeting and look who shows up yes and yes thank you George thank you for coming we didn't know you were coming but it's on the schedule I saw the back and forth about and I I think it's important that you meet every month oh yeah well I mean obviously it's an issue there's a lot of people in this group that don't live here so that's a problem it's a problem frankly but I'm pretty blind about that it's like yeah I hear you and there's a lot of work to be done if if you want to take full advantage of the money that that's going to be spent right yeah the work has to get done or it be whoever the most vocal person is and I hate to tell you but I'm pretty vocal so it'll all go to West Kate May Bob will be happy about that um but you know you need to meet no without question that's that was our exact thoughts I said look we got to have a presence regardless particularly missing missing last month and and next month it it's really the meeting is going to be taken up by the report for the motion yeah why meeting right and I made a point of driving East on Pittsburgh and then on Beach and they're they're aligning it right as we speak yep as we speak yeah I mean so so they are doing stuff I can tell you it took me about an hour to get here from West Kate May today I was in West Kate may I couldn't I had to go all the way around and back up CU I was parking in the acting I should have ridden my bike but I have my dog in the truck so that's why I was late because I was coming down Washington and then they had Ocean Street blocks I had to flip around I had to go all the way down the beach and exactly back up got straight Beach the ocean I I didn't do badly but that's cuz I oh I went home I I did the cruise down Beach I went home and brought my bike back over because sometimes parking out here should be R didn't this mean you have to ride your bike or walk road my bike yeah I just didn't have time today plus I wanted to do Beach Avenue not I couldn't have done that with a bike but yeah it would have been a little so the next meeting is the 12th the 12th yeah and I and I I think that's a should be a very important meeting for us because those guys will have done uh a reasonable amount of work before they they get here um and yeah and if we have very specifics that we're looking for uh George it sounds like you have a lot of ideas of things that you want done which is you know certainly the count is going to be involved in but not all of it's going to be County a lot of it's in your town which is almost all yeah anything on Park which again is the is the main bike way from the campground where sure all the little kids come and I all on bikes they're all on bikes and they come down Broadway I always tell them you might want to go either down Pacific or um uh or park and you know go through there so but I don't I mean I certainly don't want to dominate the conversation I I mean I use K May almost as much or more than I do yeah um uh West K may but I mean there's a flow natural flow to Washington Street Mall there's a natural flow to the beach and the question how can we make it safer for right our visitors and our people who live here and if they put a roundabout it make it easier getting across there that roundabout is going to be great for cycl and twice last week I I I came into town on my bike and um I live out of town myself but not far get me a courthouse I have a home here too but right but anyway doesn't make so I'm coming in from the bike path over to Westgate maybridge come in you know and and coming in town so I go over to bank follow the bike sign and said now you're at bank and Lafayette and now you can't get there from here right unless I ride I ride over the sidewalk next to Rotary Park rary Park then I can go you're okay on the street to uh to cater then is okay once you get P colia to get to my place not in your car and almost run over that person in the crosswalker yeah wow anyway it h isn't a bike friend in town do you uh do you think he's putting the green box in or what it sounds like he you know I think we got to stay after him that's well that was my question he said by by the start of school I I I wrote it down okay and that's what that's what I I thought I hearding in because he he just gave me lip service I I didn't think it sounds like they resist it and then now we understand why I think Afra because if we doesn't he we do it Stone Harbor got but I think the the boxes are so perfect I mean they're they stand out and I believe that everybody will get used to them and understand what they are pretty quickly but that intersection I'm sorry it it requires it and I would agree we' there actually should be one on Washington as well I I think that makes sense cuz there are most people are going right yes out down Washington to get out of town so um a lot of that happens and the kids are you go straight through yeah they've got the straight through that they got to do but uh one step at a time so we heard how much a a speed table cost that's that's stunning Vine boggling I can do it for 15 gr so he has we got to go to George he uh he intimated that these things weren't that expensive to do and they have Federal permission to do them so we just have to stay after them yeah okay yeah I I agree if we don't see that in place in like the middle of August it's time to or maybe even beginning of August it would it would be time to rev them up again I mean I I will definitely do it all stuff like all the stuff with the construction that's going on now I assumed there were all planning meetings and discussions on what you wanted and how it happens so I look at that and you're like asking for things now we have an opportunity on any project that comes up in the next 10 years by putting it on the table now with the county and and and with this organization so we can get grants to do if we can map out the whole island oh and say there needs to be something there there needs to be something there speed tables on this street we need to sign there we should have that whole plan mapped out so that if the county wants to do a project all they do is pull that out and say we did this yeah this is what they asked for is this still valid it's done yeah and these radar signs I mean listen the research shows that motorists see them and they slow they're the greatest things I've ever seen yeah and so it's it's it's great and and I felt like saying to him about the Madison Lafayette intersection how much is a kid's life worth yeah a little bit of green paint in the Box yeah yeah we have to wait till it happens yeah yeah that's what he saying let's wait and see no no no well that's that I guess that's what we're doing with the speed table but I I mean I get that and it's unfortunate because he said you guys never said anything about speed tables in the past uh it's well it's time yes it may be the second most it's probably the second most email phone call talking to people on the street thing that I hear yeah uh is speeding yeah yes it's speeding on Absolut speeding on Broadway speeding on Sunset speeding on Stimson they're the main ones speeding on Sixth because it's a cut through to Willow Creek so all those things speeding is almost the number one thing I get for our whole town and I don't I don't know what they here probably it's not that but but for us it is oh I'm telling you it is it's well certainly A Conversation Piece all the time people talk about um the you know they're outraged by the street that they live on and how fast cars are going down the street and they have it's it's not a good feeling because a lot of people have pets and they've got grandchildren visiting grandchildren children you know yeah with this detour going on with the with the Lafayette stuff it goes right down my street Massachusetts normally that's that's a that's like a drag strip yeah I mean it's wide and people just fly and and I have been trying to not put my personal interest into inject them into this stuff but my goodness and now they have a they have a radar sign up there that says the speed limit and it yeah you can't miss it does may have a a policy about speeding and this is what I'm if I look at their police report 163 people get pulled over and 42 get tickets yeah does Kate may have a stated policy that since people are here on vacation we don't really want to give them tickets because everyone's their experience I I I'm not sure it's a stated do it's not published well and I and I understand that but the back to the point do you need somebody to get her to really start cracking down on things and I talk to Deacon all the time and and they got they there's only so many things they can do but to me it's like if you pull somebody over I understand warnings and all but if people know they're going to get a ticket they're not going to speed right and and I and I get it they're on vacation I get I I I believe me I completely understand Wildwood Crest you don't speed because you get it you will get a ticket every single time I and I don't City you don't speak where you get a ticket and it's not a bad reputation to have that's what I don't understand is you know well I do understand I think that they need to do things the way they think is proper but I personally don't think there's anything wrong with the reputation of if you speed in this town you are going to get you're going to get a ticket well their priority is to en Force parking you and that's where the money is yeah but and you know you can probably do that cheaper than you can poli police and police cars but still you know lives are to me more important than money uh so I think you know I I see it's on the police department from an enforcement standpoint because for the most part they're not out they're not out out there well they they actually have been I mean since we've had all those you guys have detoured all your trucks down Broadway H you're for the your construction because nobody comes in from the other side so we Broadway gets every single vehicle coming on the island and then we got the Higg so we are like the pass through town Deacon has done a great job with his guys they are out every single day on Broadway and Sunset and sometimes Stimson sometimes Bay sure parts of each day they are enforcing and I've seen them pull people over I mean I live on Broadway so I see everything that happens they're pulling the truckers over they pulled the truck they pulled a trucker off because the guy passed somebody on Sunset and uh so so they are doing but but that is not the normal no operation for them they don't normally have speed right work traps or I know what you want to call it but they don't normally do that every day and they have been and because it's been bad well it's a one-time thing also and also it's come Memorial Day I think they're limited to so many trucks a day down the street I mean the rules change they they do whatever they want it's the DP I I went to the public meeting the first one they they not the public me I'm sorry the private meeting for the municipal people they told me Point Blank that they would only go down these roads this these were the approved roads the second meeting we went to they said well we also have the approval to go down Broadway because they were supposed to go down Stimson Bay sure out and then up Broadway on the way out and they said we can do either we're approved I said well who approved you they approv now we're limited as a municipality because it's a public road Ro it's a county it's first it's County Ro and it's like trucks go by at 5:45 in the morning and you know and until we got the radar thing out on Broadway they were flying down the street I mean like that it shakes my house like so I'm in witness people on Sunset have been complaining there's some what what I was told was that the truckers are incentivized yes they're they're so if they can make 12 trips a day rather than 10 that shows in their paycheck absolutely I'm sure they have some kind of contract like that and and basically what the the AP the man the contractor the head contractor on it basically said was they basically get a bonus by getting certain amount of work done by Memorial Day yeah well that's that's and so we're going to do what we need to do mhm and and B s the hell with the residents correct yeah yeah no I think we all get it we're all uh we've been this is not our first rodeo in life right right and I'll be honest the speeding is worse in the winter than it is in the summer yeah because there's traffic yeah they can't go anywhere traffic slows you down slow now I mean and it's and that's another reason they don't ticket people it's the local people that are contractors every pickup truck smoking a joint down going run down Broadway they're they should be pulled over but they don't do it man yeah the other transition area that I see all the time is coming off that Canal Bridge into onaf at 45 to 25 at the bottom of the it's 25 at the bottom of thege 25 yes I mean you got to slam your brakes on you do yeah to get to 25 y otherwise yeah through there what coming off over the bridge it's from the other end of town yeah I mean well they need well we talked about that before they need to get rid of the left turn into Lobster House off that road and just extend that little divider and it'll eliminate most of the accidents in that spot we talked to that about the people because that's what happens people are stopped making left turn and then people are making an illegal left turn out of Lobster House yeah that's the bad one that's the one yeah yep um right any other business uh want bring up again here so I don't bring it up again but uh I talked about Park Boulevard and the Atlantic Electric right away that the city uses to get to Public Works extending the bike path to go through that and then go down canning House Lane and tie into the thing and that would have eliminate all the traffic there by duckies and stuff and uh you know that area there that's really tight and that's a goodidea you have your mic on so we can you can get this recorded the the city has the right away for uh from Atlantic Electric I've talked to Ronnie towns who's with the electric company and she goes if you you know if you get on City letterhead that they'll allow bicycles to use that lane uh before I tried to do this and that was back when Joe Bard was here and he goes you can't have cars and bicycles and trucks on the same road well where are they everywhere you know but he doesn't want didn't want them on that road there you suggesting pave that road I'm a road I mean it's legitimately a road well it's it's an Atlantic Electric it runs all the way to the canal that you're talking about past if you go straight on Park Boulevard but that that one that one section is is technically Park Boulevard and it's it's a Street in West Cap May up until the the water treatment plan beyond that I don't know what it is okay well it's Atlantic Electric rof way and it goes all the way to the canal you can ride your bike on there if it hasn't rained recently uh but it would be great if you could get the people away from duckies and that ho the park if you get bicycles off of that and it would be fantastic it's already there you know it might need a coat of might need a layer of asphalt on it well they've got to work something out because that's gated I know it's gated when you get to the when you get to the recycling facility the water plant um both gates are locked so you can't go out canning house well you can ride your bike around the outside of it if you're as long as no you yeah and that would be fine I mean even even making a path nicer to do it to get people off of Park would be um I mean get get them off of bay or yeah off of broad Broadway the pro but what Kate May has to allow this to happen because they Atlantic Electric has given Kate May the RightWay there so it's got to be something that Kate May puts on letterhead and says boom this is okay to do so yeah so let make sure I understand what you're saying at the corner of Central and Park where yeah there is a dirt road or whatever it is actually it's got the tar on it so that that is actually a street it is on our tax Ro and it it actually is a West capap May Street it's not it's not a it's not a k May Street it's but once you get to the water treatment plant Kate May owns that land so how are you saying turn left on cting House Lane you could the bike Prime for an easy fix could go down to can can is there a trail that there's a trail that goes all the way to the wow I didn't know that that see that's what I'm interested in from where where where does that start from the onane it used to be a railroad track back in in 1900 and it came all the way there was two railroad lines that came in how you doing well Deputy Mayor that road goes all the way up it goes past uh canning House Lane and it goes all the way to the canal and uh and it just goes straight up there and it stops at the canal and then there's a a road where they put the dredge spoils look at that at the end they behind Oreo's house Oreo yep all right I'm Oro whose road is that Atlantic City Electric all the way to the canal all the way up through Middle Township all all the way up all the way through the entire County yes just for clarification were you talking about so if I'm coming out from City Hall going towards Public Works building where that bend where that bend the bend is so so we have in the works there is a project for a water line transmission project which I believe their part of it afterwards is to come in and do some repaving work okay um out there I can't speak for Paul I'm the deputy city manager Justin um but that's my understanding I don't know if that's if that's possible because of like you said the Atlantic City electric Atlantic City Ronnie Town said Chief said get a letter from the city saying that they're on board with it and they're they're fine with it because they've allowed that's where the bike path in lower Township the Cold Spring bike path right that is along the same right of way yes yeah I'm on it all the time so let me um we'll have to get back to you with that we'll have to talk with Mr Dietrich and figure out where the waterline transmission project is at and then kind of circle back on it though but that would really save a lot of congestion absolutely from the from the bend the bend area so from that is a mess yeah I mean we'd have to like I said get back to you one one way or another so I don't know where where the Project's at and it would be a great if even extended of course once you get past the water plant then you're in lower Township correct but it would be great to tie it into the Garrett Nature Preserve yeah you know and you know part of your Eco tourism you know for the shoulder Seasons okay thanks for this J no Bob it's good keep bringing it up you got to keep squeaking okay sometime I don't want to sound like T what D baly who brings up the same you know what that's of course I'm in the chair what would be the next step in making this happen I'm going to talk with Mr Dietrich city manager and city engineer and then we'll come back to the committee and see if that's even feasible so we'd have to do some research to make sure thank you m I do have num one of the only concerns would be just getting around the the water plant um and after that it's it's pretty smooth sound I mean I don't know why there'd be any problem with with doing it as long as the security of the water plant remains intact which so that's the other Jeff I I did send you the uh the PowerPoint presid you did thank you okay that's the other ni that's the other issue that I just wanted to bring up that also sometimes there are some regulations when you start looking at some major infrastructure like a water treatment plant and things like that there's some things that sometimes PD likes to weigh in on and make sure that obviously our infrastructure would be secure from out there police department okay thanks you're welcome government we used a lot of acronyms yeah I was in the Navy here I've printed out this is this is where you go through Park entrances canning House Lane entrance and this is where canning House Lane comes out and there's a bike path there already if you wanted to go there I would love to see it extended all the way to the canal and keep the cars off a Shore Road Al together but uh I also have the uh numbers of the telephone she asked for the numbers of the phone polls so I've got those here and this is what I sent to her and then she got back to me and said I need that on City letterhead and when I asked your end voice 15 minutes after I talked to him about it he came oh we can't do this we can't do that JF says no you know I said it takes a day to get in touch with JF to not to be able to do it well let like I said let me bring this back to Mr Dietrich with that so that information is helpful and then and then you know make that next action steps um if it's feasible okay Justin what's your last name rigs rigs rigs RI G GS he's been running the show now yes go ahead I apologize Justin Rigg's Deputy city manager Mr dietrich's out of town so I'm no it's great that you're here it it's um I'm glad you're I'm glad you jumped up yeah and your first name Justin Justin your mother didn't work for Harvey ster did you know what I get that all the time when I'm down here but no no I get that all the time it's funny yeah and then I I used to work with a woman who's last name was rigs so they used to think that was my aunt I said no no relation so it's all right I usually ask is it good or is it good or is it bad and then and then I run with it you know yeah that's good all right but I think you guys also covered a lot of the topics I apologize I had to step out for a moment um our Paving projects are on schedule and Mr church already spoke about a lot of the county projects that you know are Ono going and uh I think council member jger also spoke about the safe roots for all program and working with the cape Island communities to try to make sure that we're advancing the cause of safe um you know bicycling throughout the community so thanks for the work that this committee does well thanks and uh I almost fell out of my chair when I realized it was Bob Church sitting can't I still can't get over it I'm like what I Mis grabbed them on the way out yes I was 5 minutes late and I I know right then I finally figured it out after about five minutes yeah so it's great well then so we will meet U on June 12th then yeah do I hear a motion to call this to adjourn motion to adjourn second all in favor I great thanks you can turn your mic good me good meeting yeah it was turn your mic up for a second Terry's husband is on hospice now oh man e e e e e