[Music] gu this is Terry Baldi on the phone from Florida and this is George dick from West Cape May so what temperature is it there right now ter what temperature is it4 who I'm coming down next week so we expecting anybody El that's it just ready to we can uh we can do the Pledge of Allegiance and approval of minutes how does that sound going to call this meeting to order PL of Allegiance are we streaming oh yeah I got to I got to turn oh we are streaming we just we are streaming at the moment all we have to do is turn on our mics to be heard so maybe I'll turn on our mic I pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and Republic stand one nation under God individual okay um welcome everyone um we have George dick with us uh who is Deputy Mayor of West Kate May sitting in to hear uh what goes on at these meetings and and get some information because West Cape May will be included in the cape Island study by GPI um I I will entertain a motion for the minutes to be approved as uh as done by Terry so moved so moved second second all in favor all right the three of us right thank you okay you're welcome nice job right yes yes okay um and so without further Ado we'll we'll get Paul to a mic and he can do you want to you want to sit in front of us yeah you're missing out on your two hearts there though that's okay take with you I'll take them with me yes we did we did it you were talking you were talking to somebody irreverently so where do you guys want to start I got a I've got two things that I wanted to present to you and talk to you but I know you guys were looking for some updates on some of the current projects did you want me to kind of hit on some of those projects or do you want to go over my stuff that I well why don't we go over your stuff first how's that sound um pretty advantageous that we have somebody from West Cape May here because the first project I wanted to talk to about I just recently found out about and this is um there the County's proposing a roundabout at uh West Perry Myrtle and Park Boulevard intersections I know that they probably had I know the kind been probably talking to you probably the plan's been in place since 2011 really for the roundabout and the the issue has always been that we needed to take some parking spaces away from the lumber company and they would never give them up and now we've arranged a deal where we give them additional space up Park Avenue so it's going to get done I mean it's been a big issue for years and years there so it's probably news for everybody here so okay I finally got a copy of the plan when I heard about it that's a good one I do actually I don't have an update we actually doing the resolution tonight in our meeting to U uh approve basically giving the parking extra spaces so thank you for doing that because I think you know I think everybody can agree that that intersection is one of the craziest intersections that we have going on um uh and and this roundabout is you know the probably installed a couple of them I know they they did one up in Woodbine uh out you know on Dennis Peters Road Road and woodb Ocean View Road um trying to think and I think they have one other one um but but they you've seen roundabouts are making their way back everybody thought that we were getting rid of circles well this isn't a circle it's a roundabout um they're coming back they're they are definitely coming back and uh I can I'll send this as a PDF to everybody so you can distribute it to everybody that's not here today but I at least felt that um I just found out about this uh because I think that we we found out this you know the lber company was finally agreeing to it so that's how it came to me yeah the PDF PDF shows the the layout of how the intersection will go and you know essentially If instead of it being like a free-for-all if if you're coming out of Myrtle or park and trying to get out to West Perry you almost have to do like a double stop and that second stop is like optional out in the no yet optional I'm just send it to you yeah it I mean they've also moved the [Music] that's only well I mean the county will if they want to add that the county would have to add sherrow but it's it's essentially set up for you know if a bike is going to enter that roundabout they're going to do it as as a as a vehic there are bike Lanes on Park coming coming from down Park so you can you can see them they're actually on there there are no bike Lanes on the Cape May side right so if you go all the way around the other major issue that we' we've H have actually we just lowered the speed limit on Myrtle be and put more oneway signs up because people use that as the cut through hopefully now that this circle is here they'll go around the circle and continue down Park to the beach that's the thought process I mean it is it is the one of the craziest intersections I've ever seen especially for a pedestrian so this is great I mean yes they've moved the the the sight lines are way better because they've moved the crosswalks back back where it used to be right on the corner so there won't be any parking along that edge right which obviously we like parking but um you'll be able to see the the buses and the trucks coming it's going to be a much safer condition for for all users Vehicles pedestrians and bicycles I'd also like to see and this hasn't been broached yet but I'll say it here I like to see the buses start coming down Park not Broadway because they can't make the turn at sunset at Broadway and Sunset and Perry there they can't make that left turn this will allow them to have a nice General turnaround so we might have a discussion with the bus company about that so that was the first thing I wanted to to show the the committee just to get a advance look at that because I imagine the county will be pushing you know now that they have everything in place I imagine that he'll just be looking to make sure his funding's lined up and he'll probably put this in his obviously this is not something that would happen before this summer season um I doubt very much the summer season so it would be something probably for next fall winter okay a couple of questions on this if I could um coming out of of CVS and going on a Myrtle okay I mean right now there's coming out of their their parking a lot you can you can turn right on Myrtle to get over to Broadway is is is Myrtle going to continue to be one way yes yes and and will there be an exit there it's yeah you can see it on you can see yeah you can you you'll still be able to pull out of CVS and make yeah that that driveway is not changing coming out the driveway is not changing coming out of CVS you'll be able to make the right what what the good thing is a lot of people probably make the left and and cheat and come over into the intersection but you'll only be able to make a right out of that CVS if if you're looking to go the other way you're going have to go out onto Park Boulevard and then Circle through the roundabout if you're looking to go somewhere else you know if you're looking to come back to Kate May City you're got have to use the Park Boulevard side go around the roundabout and head back which is great West Perry yeah much safer Lane well the only bike lane the bike lane comes into the roundabout and it it you know soon as you enter the roundabout then your the bike is treated like a vehic vehicle and then they follow the yeah which is the law and and they follow Motor Vehicle Laws around the roundabout just as at this point I don't believe a roundabout that they would put sherrow on a roundabout no maybe some sh it would seem it would appear to me that that would be fair Fairly dangerous for bikers would it's no this is actually safe for bicycles I don't know you you got people different people talking Terry you have to try that again well you can't put Green Lane to there because a Green Lane has to be a dedicated bike lane so you you could never put a green Lane Terry the the biggest problem is there's not enough space to have a separate Lane for bikes around the [Music] circle I very much agree I mean it's it's my recom my recommendation is let's Terry hey all right Terry hold on Terry hold on Terry hold on I think the best thing is before you you've seen the draft let's mul it over Bob church is planning on being here in April you can have those discussions with Bob when he comes here in April okay but but he's you know he's limited on you know within a roundabout of from an engineering standpoint of what they can do at most they're going to be able to put Advanced signage to say you know share the road and and you know explain to bikes hey you you you know you're bikes can travel in the travel Lane and that's you know they're going to have to share through that roundabout um but it's by far much more safer proposed as a roundabout as as as anything so you know I think this you've got this as an FYI and you can discuss it more when uh County engineer comes here in April I'm hoping that when we have the study done they will take a look at ways to keep bikes off of West Perry alog together so that there will be fewer bicycles going into that roundabout and bring more down to Elmyra Street I mean that was one of our ideas back in the day of trying to keep bring people into town through West Kate made through Iris Street and not having them deal with West already very Troublesome spot for bikers so I'll be interested to see what the what the new Consultants say about getting people from what I mean bikers should really avoid this avoid West Perry and this area well the people that actually do use this way I mean we did actually did a small traffic study on on Myrtle and everybody body makes a left on little Myrtle and heads into town nobody uses West Perry because there's no room I mean what I would like to see if we would signage job is to bring people on the bike Lanes down park around the roundabout and then continue on park because you can't there's a there's an island and an island there's two islands for somebody to make a left turn on it illegally onto uh little Myrtle would be crazy we have a big issue with people going the wrong way down that road and we don't want them to do that I mean it's dangerous um the only reason there's two lanes there is for the lumber company to load have trucks in there this will be the the the roundabout will be flat or slightly raised so that the trucks can make turns and actually drive over it because we we wanted to put a statue of somebody up there but but anyway soor yes did they ever discuss well that that that's the I mean yeah you could make a bike laying down there but I I don't think people are giving up the park I mean we don't really want to give up the parking we don't have a lot of parking in that area yeah and and and the way this is set up the way this is set up now you couldn't do that because of the the way the flow Works cuz if you're coming down Park you're forced to go around around the circle there is an island in the middle of of park there you can see it and then there's another one a small one right uh going into little Myrtle so you cannot make a left turn there which is great right because they had one of the other big issues that we found out a lot of people go the wrong way on Le and drivers not I when we put when we putting up the the um the uh traffic monitoring station at least five cars wi down the road the wrong way just while we were standing there for half hour oh yeah yeah it's it's so yeah all right now how how about pedestrians I mean that's essentially the same thing as biker hold on Terry well you can see the sidewalk it has pedestrian crosswalks okay with pedestrians having the right away again pedestrians always have a right away at the intersection all right Terry you're [Music] [Music] oncle puttings for people crossing it's going to be a crazy it's still going to be czy intersection [Music] another I guess we can talk to Bob church about that later yeah I I don't think with the hwks are not going to probably be warranted here because the vehicle speeds on especially on West Perry or Park really don't warrant um a Hulk a Hulk is usually when you have speeds up over 40 45 miles an hour um that's usually when you really are wanting the to alert the uh uh vehicles to slow down um are are you talking about pedestrian Crossings here it at this circle yeah I think that's what that's what she was saying cuz I tell you Terry if you saw the drawing you can see that the way it's designed there's everybody's got to be coming into this roundabout with a whole lot of deceleration you there's no way you can come into this um intersection without slowing down tremendously cuz now everybody's got to make a bendy turn right um in in a narrow space so I think the pedestrians with well-marked Crossings are much safer but this this is just tremendously safer huge Improvement and we'll yeah we'll continue to um check it out and talk to Bob Church on in April about if it need be looks like it's pretty good is there any proposed time frame from when this might get I don't know I don't know probably next year sometime or next next season should say okay all right thanks Paul that's great um the next thing I wanted to talk about is uh there's been some back and forth discussions about we had the city installed uh three-way uh stop signs at almyra and um Venice right um so and and there's been some people that have you know claimed that that's an illegal set of stops and we shouldn't have it um and we were going to wait for this but I I was doing some research on um and I have it a some studies from the nationaly of science engineering and medicine and they did a study regarding uh guidance to improve pedestrian and bicycle safety at intersections and and and I'm it's it's going to lead me to a path of writing a engineering study that shows that by having because we're encouraging bicycles as they come down almyra to make the right onto Venice and then conversely would be encouraging people to bicycles coming out of Venice to make a left on almyra to head back in the West Cape May that the the traffic studies show that um we could see a almost a 10% decrease in uh um potential accidents and fatalities if that intersection is STO controlled as compared to having Elmyra not stop controlled so you know if if you can imagine especially it's really for that bicyclist that's coming out of Venice and wants to make the left you know having those cars stop stopped on uh Elmyra so that they have an ability to make the left out um that's where we can see a 10% uh increase or decrease in uh potential accidents at that intersection so uh that's that's going to be enough justification to Warrant um that signal where typically under for Motor Vehicles it's not warranted but because we're kind of incorporating that as part of our bike lane strategy or bike route strategy um it it then does warrant this a full stop control at that intersection stop signs yes stop yes stop signs stop sign it there the way that this the ordinance and the way it's currently marked to have you know it's a three-way stop you stop in both directions at Elmyra and you have to stop coming out of Venice that's you know that's going to be safer for the bicyclist uh traveling that that route so um I believe that that is sufficient justification for that I agree um I think the other thing there a big help there is the uh speed uh the flashing signs the flashing things too it's uh you know it lets you know all of a sudden geez I'm going 34 miles an hour and a 20 M slow down you with my background that that that's what I call evidence-based decision making as opposed to gut decision making right so I have so I have enough I have a report that backs up the data which which can which allows me to provide the and and really what I just wanted to confirmation from from you guys is that's still how we want the bike route can I can I ask a question about that sure as somebody who uses I live at the end of Leeming and Broadway and I go down that street a million times where do the bikes supposed to go when they make that right turn where do you end up you make the righted turn Venice you make the left one was that Jackson there on Bank on Bank where where that's that's going to be the next that's going to be the next set of the planation that's the next conversation there's really no good way into there's no good way on a bike on a bike yeah once you once you get up to Broad yeah where whether you're on Elmyra or you're on bank there's really no good direction but the intersections it's a little there's a little less veh vehicular traffic to if you're going Venice down B Bank than if you stayed on Elmyra so that's well you also had the cars parked oh yeah I mean if you eliminated the cars parking on that street it's pretty much there's there's only about 10 spots in that because there's so many driveway cut you might as well just that's going to be and that'll be one of the issues that that our traffic Consultants going to look at when they sure is how to is how to move the bikes through the city you know from West Kate May years yeah I I have all the plans from the last 20 years and and they a lot of the stuff really hasn't been implemented so like like to see some things go happen well the advantage of this grant is because it's based on the current uh Federal funding program projects that come that are recommended out of this are in a much more advanced position to get Federal funding and the within even within New Jersey the competition there's not as many towns that have gone through this process so are we're going to be able to get federal funds to help Implement these projects uh and and not have to compete with a lot of the 550 other towns in the state when we're when we're applying for do grant funding so you know islandwide I think it's going to help us get some additional safety Improvement money um I did talk with uh Bob Church uh on Lafayette Street uh they anticip having all of the repaving and striping done before Memorial Day um or at least the paving will be done before Memorial Day maybe some of the traffic sliping that week after Memorial Day it's it's all but before June all of the work on Lafayette should be completed yeah our Our concern of course would be the striping and and so hopefully we'll be able to talk to him before that's done but it's all it's all going to be done before then yeah particularly M did did you have a chance to talk to him about the same question on Beach Avenue will that be done by Memorial Day yeah that should be done that that might roll into the first week or second week of June but before mid June all of that Beach Avenue and Lafayette will be done yes okay sounds great uh and again another question on Beach Avenue and this is my ignorance when anything else but I I see on the uh um on the western portion of of beach they're they're building around Grand Avenue and the streets around their bump outs on each Corner M there what's the advantage of those because I see the disadvantage being okay if we have a bicycle lane all of a sudden the street is narrowed down because the sidewalk is doubled essentially at the corner so and I and I meant to bring the plans down but when you look at the the the road diet as they call it like they like to call it now so where that bump out is is in the parking Lane so if you think about it you know from where the curb line is you'll have a 8ot wide parking Lane then there'll be the bike lane then there'll be the vehicular travel Lane then you'll flip over the center line then there'll be a vehicle Lane a bike lane and then a parking Lane so and all of that will be painted um out onto the on the road the plan it's a it's a dedicated bike lane down the entire Beach you don't have to and the bike Lane's not going to yeah right that's what I'm those bump outs are in the parking Lane and the and the bump outs are to provide it's it's it's an area of Refuge for pedestrians and and it it so the the the amount of time that the pedestrian is out in the street stre is decreased because now they're walking you know they get a little Head Start they're not starting back behind the parking Lane they're starting at the parking Lane and now they're just going across the the bicycle lane and the vehicle Lanes yeah drive drivers never know when a pedestrian is just going to come you know prancing out onto the street expecting that they have the right away and it's it's unfair because the driver is not prepared those bump outs actually um they kind of present The Pedestrian to the road traffic you can see that there are people there and are ready to walk out and they're and they're on on and they're on the front side of the parked car not the back side of parked car so they're not hiding behind that car right right and the last question I have I think um in regards to Beach Avenue is the city going to uh make improvements on the city's portion of Beach Avenue which is basically from Broadway to um first the C of uh we're working on plans um was talking with the engineer and and one of our contractors yesterday I I don't think that we're gonna it's looking like we might not have enough time to be able to get the work done because we have to replace water in sewer M from 2 to First Avenue um I don't know if we can get that utility work done or get the project done to put it out the bid to have the water and sewer line done to have that trench settle enough and to have it paved before mid June or the end of June so it I'm just running out of days no no this this is all work that's going to be done before that um you so I don't think we're going to be able to get it engineered bid and constructed before then so that that section of beach will probably it's looking now might not happen until the fall right yeah but council's already agreed that we we we're doing that section simultane it's just a timing issue just a timing issue at this point yeah you expect the can wait if get it right do you expect the The Jetty people to come back to you and ask about redoing that building and those two empty lots and would you consider holding off until that stuff is done because once you tear it all up they're going to come in and tear it up again well no there'll be a moratorium at that point oh you the five year yeah yeah yeah I mean we may anti other people are talking we may we may uh preposition some driveway apron curb cut for them but otherwise they're going to have to um and and I've he reached out to me to ask about that so he may ask to get his utility connections stubbed in and over ahead of time so that they're at least behind the curb okay right all right Terry what what did you havea you know there's going to be delays of piping andru obviously be until so my point is that weast is that corre you're you're in agreement with everybody in the room okay yeah that's all I had unless you have any other questions for me what's going with well the county will be you know made some revisions based on a meeting you know same thing I told the committee a couple months ago you know myself the mayor Public Works met out with the County engineer they took some of our recommendations they're going to be moving on Perry they're going to be sliding this Stop Bar a little bit closer into that intersection um they're going to put some I'll say some better Dash lines to make that turn from Perry to make the that left on the Lafayette as well as maybe that turn from Lafayette to Jackson the left turn from Lafayette to Jackson to kind of give them a guide turn and and readjust that um hatch you know that Gore area uh a little bit just to modify that for traffic flow but we're going to probably add a fence along Lafayette Street from Jackson down Lafayette on the Rotary Park side to to discourage people from Crossing not at the crosswalk and and cutting that corner to go to the ice cream shop you know you came right across there and and you're coming down from Jackson and and doing that diagonal it's going to we're going to force people to walk down Lafayette to cross at the crosswalk so that they're uh safe there um and then add some additional signage on on the I'll say the CER side to make sure you know pedestrian please you know use crosswalks and and direct people to the crosswalk that's really on the Jackson side of that intersection for for for pedestrians to cross so sounds great so that's well again that's today we don't have Bob church here but so bank but that's but that's not really that that intersection is not a county issue it's really is it's going to be and that and that's going to I think that really flows back into the whole what is the the master plan for the bike route and stuff like that so that's something that GPI will be looking at as part of their master plan and and Analysis sounds great yeah can I ask who owns that little parking area off of Kate May stage there's a huge City and did they least set to Kate May stage for parking or is that available for uh bike racks or there's like this huge shrub thing that kind of sticks out onto the sidewalk if that were removed could could there be bike racks there I'd have to take a look yeah it seems like a missed opportunity to be something more for pedestrians and and well especially bikes and bike racks because so many people want to come to the events in the park and if they could put their bikes there you know if there was a green box there to really slow people down and get them across over to the park um we had thought that that way to get people across town might be to go down to cater street from Bank um if that's something that the consultant agreed with but but in in the event that you have all these bikes and there's not that many bike Rags on the mall so people could well we're adding we're we're this year we're going to be adding a several new um bike racks so you know we've I don't think we have that on our wish L well we well we're getting them so yeah you know you so this the city is actually our partner in all this and sometimes we're sometimes we're ahead of and sometimes we're ahead of you guys so it's a good thing just do you guys do you guys have a copy of the wish list so I don't ask questions that yeah I'm giving your email to Terry she'll forward mean like I'll just listen rather than ask I I have 800 million questions because obviously it's the first time I've been here but right and I want to see how we can incorporate West Cape May into the whole well we'll be in once we have a good date of when the Consultants coming we we're going to invite West Kate May Kate May Point lower Township to that to that meeting to to be publicly involved because it's really an islandwide review okay I mean just just thinking of it from West K may just I'll throw this out there safe rout to the beach for our people safe root into Camp May to the restaurants and shops and things like that so you have several options that you can do and they can be enhanced one is leaming one is Park and with this this gives you a safe route to the beach if we get some you know signage go keep going down par and you end up at the life-saving life uh it goes right where they're putting in those big cutouts it's actually perfect I just walk the other day um so and then you have we'd like to get people off Broadway you know so no encouragement to have them come down Broadway the other place that that we have talked about and I'm a runner and a biker so I know all every road by heart from people from West K May from further out come down a lot of them come down Pacific they cross set the Jake's Pizza Marijuana store um and they go down first then they have to get out on the Broadway way and then they have then they make a right on Mount Vernon and go to Mount Vernon Beach or they could continue down to The Cove but when they come back if they're doing it legally they have to pop back out on across Broadway and then make a left turn at Grant West Grant there is a spot on West Grant we own the property directly across from um First Street if we put a pedestrian bike Bridge there you have a completely safe route coming to the beach without having to go on the Broadway at all not a car Bridge right and you guys own the land on the other side so we own the land on we have a lot that is ours it's a 55 wide lot it's got to go across the creek so it's something to think about as a a wish for West Cap May it's great yeah yeah yeah I mean and obviously you're an engineer so you know that the cost of doing a pedestrian uh and bike Bridge is a hell of a lot cheaper than doing a you know one that has to be rated for fire trucks and everything else so but I'm I'm just looking for safe passage on a bicycle for everybody right get rid of the cars so good idea well I can see your wheels are turning yeah okay I'm thinking about what HPC is going to say that's what I'm thinking it's not an HPC area there anything within the city is going to have the all the houses there are modern and it doesn't matter they they don't want a pedestrian bridge I don't know put prean lights on it yeah I don't know I I just I got to think about everything oh I I know h i mean I live in historic I did the renovation I know all about HPC which is fine and I like it I me I like the town for that reason but something to think about so sure yeah so it's my understanding that GPI will be here next month yep at this meeting yes so that's the engineering firm um that's doing this and I just I just have to coordinate with them if if I'm if if if the city's going to send out the invite to all the other towns or am I going to have GPI send out the invite to the other towns to do that you as part of their Outreach so that's why I just got to that's why it hasn't gone out to the other towns yet okay Terry would you confed that is confir uh it doesn't sound like is it set in stone oh yeah it's yeah they're confirmed to be here I'm just I haven't set in stone who's sending the invitation to the other towns to make sure that they come to this meeting big meeting will that be like the kickoff of their project or have you already started or not going to start for a while that'll be the kickoff that'll be the kickoff and they've they've been told they asked the question who are we um communicating with you you you expect to have a team in Kate may that will'll be operating with you know not always talking to Paul who is that team and this is this is it you've been volunteered so yeah you'll be interacting a lot with them yeah we have a date a datech 9 yes and just just as a internal committee thing uh Bob moris is going to be at that meeting and and he did a lot of the uh leg work on the Mount Vernon path to K May Point yeah and so he'll be here and he's interested in coming back to the committee so which would be nice yeah yeah I would and I would expect that that that you there would be one representative from West Kate May and Kate May point that would be regular communicators with them so at least the four of you on a regular basis I guess um and I think the other two Representatives would be helpful as well would it be helpful if they had a copy of the bike walk report from 2017 that was you mean the the firm yeah oh yeah oh they're very familiar with it might be something you might want to see too yep yeah have somebody can send it to me so ter George would be interested in seeing that bike walk uh study okay I inform I'll send it to you I cop never the thing but anyway we'll discuss it later I have the full thing I can send it to you well I I think I'm not positive of this but I think they issued two reports uh almost simultaneously it's not like the second one updated the first one it was one was like a pre suggestion and then a final suggestion or something something like that the one is not nearly as uh instructive or or useful as the other one right right maybe to all us okay you have yep I can do that well um I think we have covered most of our most of our items uh in terms of Paul Paul we appreciate you being here and no problem and so thank you very much all right look forward to next month yeah so we'll see you next month and Y very good thanks Paul thanks Paul nice meeting um we have just a couple other business items to attend to U Terry and and Hillary want to talk about the map together a little bit and we can talk as a committee about the map given all the things that are hanging in the air I'm not sure that um where we want to go with that that's exactly what I want to up too yeah I we'd kind of like to wait until there's some more like the roundabouts in place all you know before we go forward with spending money on a map then there's the whole issue of whether or not uh we can create our own uh what do you call it QR code that people go to and maybe not do the printed map at all so for that reason I think well Terry when you come next month we'll sit down and go over it again but I wanted to get a sense from the committee what you were feeling as far as what makes sense for this year yeah I I think given given all the uh things that are going to happen uh I don't think the map will will be as useful and I question the usefulness of a paper map anyway when you're on a bicycle as opposed to pulling it up on your phone and so um yeah you know and having like Google Maps uh guide you around the city type thing um yeah so yeah we can talk about that next month when you're here yeah we'll address it month to month I think at this point yes yeah and um any new business we don't have the public here except for George oh I wanted George to give us a little of his background he's done a lot of work in Philadelphia with bicycles and just some of your concerns um with West Cap May in particular yeah I shared some of them but yeah yeah I my background I grew up in Philly but um I actually was on the original bike Coalition Council for the city of Philadelphia back in 1990 uh I and you think getting things done here would be difficult um I I can tell you when you're working in a big city like that nobody wanted any bike pass anything um and if you go into the city now 30 years later you can see there are you know separated uh bike Lanes on all the way out to University of Pennsylvania all on some of the main streets in the city so that was the initial work so my the base of that we we actually put together the original map that we had obviously it's not the same one as now but working through the different jurisdictions which didn't exist at that time in terms of there was no uh governmental agency that said yeah we're going to fund bike pass we're going to fund Rails to Trails Rails to Trails was just getting started and they had a big project that came into the City and we tried to tie into them but they didn't want anything to do with Philadelphia um so I have done something like this before this actually is a lot smaller scale and I think it's the people here are much more receptive both in the government and the people that actually live here um so I think this is would be a much easier project to be hon honest and and I'm I'm excited you know when Hillary talked to me about this I'm very excited that um you know they're looking at the whole island um because you can't just say it's inside of Kate May and and I think to Kate May's Advantage we want Kate May wants all the people to come spend their money in Kate May how do you get them there um some of the things that I've thought about many many times is some of the things we just talked about having that bridge across first takes all the people that are coming to the beach from actually out where you live or or along second third fourth uh fifth and sixth Avenues in um West Cape May how do they safely get to the beach there is really no safe way to get to the beach um I go down leaming a million times a a week and it's just a nightmare I run down it I bike down it how do we fix that so that we direct people in the right way this I is really a great answer because if people are coming down Leeming instead of going all the way to Elmyra they can just come down park around the circle we could maybe extend some bike lines this is the old train route from back in you know this was the train Park Avenue didn't exist that was a train track that Park Avenue was a train track and then it turns down um is that that's Grant if it goes down grant that was part of the train track summer station is where the station was is the perfect spot for a bike safe route from West K May so I look at that stuff I I look at hey if I want to go have dinner in town and I don't want to take my car I want to take my bike can I be safe and a lot of people won't do it because they're scared of Elmyra so can that be fixed so a lot of different items that need to be looked at um and you know in my role as deputy mayor in West K May I'm in charge of Public Works which help helps I'm also on the county committee for safe roads so we can maybe integrate some of this stuff with that too I think I don't know who your representative is on that don't yeah that's it and so if you put get your project on the list there's like there was a top 50 roads that are suspect and it's not just but but it it's driving safety who was killed where basically they do they do a traffic study in the most dangerous roads really doesn't it includes bicycle safety but not as the primary Mission but for us this is a bicycle it should be a bicycle friendly town and it honestly it's not so how do you do how do you do that so I'm I'm excited to just sit in on these meetings whether you want to be part of the committee whatever I can certainly be the West Cap May I'm pretty passionate about this the other thing that I talked to Hillary about it I know this has been kicked around a million times but I don't know if you can do something with eminent domain on the railroad with the lease because if I if I wanted to make a map of the island the first thing I would do is I take over the rail tracks and I would I would have rails the trails all the way out to the canal I would have the one the spur that goes out to Sunset Beach all done and then you can come all the way from the point all the way into the center of Kate May with Crossing one street and that's Broadway and maybe we could get a light there it's it's a no-brainer I know that somebody has the lease on it so there's going to be a lot of red tape but here's here's the deal there there is multiple tracks coming from the canal the only the only bottleneck is the the bridge over the canal which you can pave and have the tracks and you can share with the revolution Rail and that so there is a way to do this and then he still he has the lease out to the to uh Higg and Higg is doing their project I actually asked the the project managers for that are they going to put a trail on the old railroad tracks they're not they're not even going into the easan they're building a whole another burm next to it which because I was excited I was like okay then if they got it from the magnesite plant back into the saltwater marshes there maybe we can get the rest of the way anyway so a lot of different ideas but to me if you really want to do a bicycle make a bit bicycle friending Island those two routes have to have have to happen yeah you know there's Atlantic Electric has an easement along next to the railroad track that we've talked about I don't know when the last time anybody contacted them to see if that was a viable place but it just runs parallel to the railroad track and they've been of course countywide Very uh very accommodating with the bike path down to spine of the county yeah or up to spine of the county It Go I mean you can go all the way to atlan City on a bike r on a bike yeah well there ends at South seille was on there all the time okay but there there's another path on the other side you can go right through Lynwood Summers Point y y um I mean so it's it's just a coordinated effort and I think that that the federal government is more interested in projects like that so maybe there is money I mean it just takes I don't know the other the rails to Trail is isn't interested in a small section like that MH that's one of the big issues because you need somebody like that to get behind you but I look at all the businesses that run along the spur from Broadway out to the point you got Barber wild you just right by your house uh Hillary and you got Curtis so we could have some people that would want this because I know he is he's GNA be busy um anyway so to me that people who want to see wet and it doesn't have to be paved it just has it can be gravel so I did you feel him onon no and I was going to ask um Jeff to do that because he could you explain the Mount Vernon yeah yeah we can yeah can yeah yeah the other piece of this is is sidewalks and I feel like West Kate May has is really a mishmash of sidewalks to nowhere and some people over there seem to think it's fine but because we're a rural community but it we're not when it in the summer when there's rentals and everyone's out on walking around and having to be pushed out onto the street because there aren't sidewalks so does this grant provide for sidewalks as well as bicycle um sa probably depends on the plan they come up with you see so I I think I think so look at both so the grant is for a plan and then the second mation is to implement what the plan is and so that's where we give these guys feedback if we can yeah I mean I I I believe that they are I mean they're they safe roads and streets is is their focus but um I know that their primary focus is first the the most exposed and that's The Pedestrian um so if hopefully we can direct them to check out sidewalks yeah okay well you know last last year in the fall I did some investigation about improving the sidewalks in Cape May right right uh there and there was pretty much General agreement that yes they are dangerous uh but we got to get probably change the ordinance or the procedure anyway for a homeowner such as yourself you know working with the city and getting some sharing the funding of getting improving their sidewalk Etc and between us I I spoke with the mayor about it and he is not happy at all with the current situation what's on the books whether it's an ordinance or not uh because it well it's just it's very flawed as far as a resident trying to get money from the city to fix his sidewalk it's flawed from both the resident standpoint and the cities because the city all of a sudden has somebody who wants $3,000 and you know where is that in the budget can't make a suggestion I the town I used to live in when you sold your house the the town code enforcement people would come and they would Mark your sidewalk where it needed to be fixed and before you could sell your house you had to fix it and it so that way everybody as the houses turned over everybody got new sidewalks and K May sidewalks are the worst but I and the resident paid for it the resident yes I I I paid over $3,000 to fix my sidewalk when I sold my house was that old tree damage uh some of it was but some of it was just you know my house that house was built in 1920 and some of it was the original sidewalk well you fixed yours a couple years ago I I had to do it twice I had you know first tree uh wind knocked over City trees and I had to pay for just half it was easy for me to just get half of the money from the city and then uh when my house was completely rebuilt um I had to do both sidewalks um but the sidewalks in front were the trees I had to go up and over and around the city paid half of the thing without any aggravation at all I just had to fill out some paperwork and put in two estimates and they paid half of the lower estimate oh Kate May's generous well so your idea is a good but it was their it's their trees that were the problem and that's why is that how the or that the city owns the trees that you don't own the trees no yeah the city owns the trees the city owns the sidewalk the westcape M it's the opposite oh that's unusual usual it's commercial yeah we we if somebody's sidewalk you know they have to fix it they have to Tripp and fall it's their it's not GIF it's them yeah I wondered if there was but we don't have the tree issue that you do because we don't have as much of that right right uh I have one other topic to bring up as far as new business and again it's just a thought but if I go back and you'll probably remember this to our first days when this committee was formed I think it was 2017 um and one of the things we looked into was getting Kate May named as an All-American bicycle City and there's a um I think it's called the league of American bicyclists that um gives a city uh this re this reward and then they can like you know historical City or something like that a citation and we took a look at that and okay you got to fill out a very exhaustive survey form to do it and I think I think out of the hundred questions that were asked I'm making this number up but we could answer two of them positively you know and yeah I remember it but we we made such good progress over these last seven years I think it might be interesting to take a look again at that questionnaire survey type of thing and have we moved far enough along number one to put our um application in to get this recognition or to would it be a good guideline for what we have to do to get even you know further along what are what what are some things that we want to focus on in the next couple of years uh ideas for us anyway uh type of thing so I I don't know if you I think that's a good a good idea maybe you think about resurrecting that that application and then it like you said it'll guide us in some of the things that we need to do that are considered um state-ofthe-art or whatever you want to call it the standard of Excellence yeah you know it's interesting we had the uh the fellows from Ocean City come right years ago and talk to us cuz they are an all America City and they they're an All American City well you know my wife and I just one cold winter day about two weeks ago drove to Ocean City because we wanted to go she wanted to go to a shop that some relatives of our own and so I was just driving around the entire city and I'm I'm expecting to see green boxes everywhere bike Lanes everywhere Continental crosswalks everywhere I didn't see hardly anything and the one street that I think is bike Friendly West Avenue uh was closed off because they doing some construction or something I mean it was we are we are doing pretty darn well in terms of the and the cape Island in general in terms of being bike friendly not we're certainly not perfect and we got a long way to go but I thought Ocean City I was going to come there and see it be like yeah their their advantage is their streets are really wide yes so they have plent of space for cyclists to run so that that's probably why they got it because the width of the streets but every year there's somebody that gets hit by a car there oh yeah I mean so it's it's they they the the like you said the streets are wide there there there's no natural inhibition to calm your speed or calm TR and West is a 40 m hours roadway right it's crazy yeah another aspect of this whole thing that I would like to bring up to the Consultants is the idea of signage way finding um that is intrical to the whole island that makes sense it's attractive that we could be our own you know All-American City and not officially but you know that we care about safe bicycling and safe pedestrian that Kate may look so much more beautiful from a bike or from walking and let's get park your car and you know the whole carfree Carefree initiative that you know we went did years ago but um but nice signage to get people to maybe go on a different street than broadway you know like oh one more block turn right and you can go you know all the way down leing or whatever so um that I want to Hope is incorporated into our wish list for the Consultants to look at um how we could do that islandwide because I think it would be it would help never here and how do you get if somebody's using you guys mentioned use of phone if they plug in I want to go to fins and I you you obviously can hit the bike we need to make sure that the correct bike shows up because Google and ways who it gives you the shortest route it doesn't so I don't know how you contact them and say hey here's the overlay of our our map this is where the bikes need to go this is our pedestrian now there are you can click on bike you know there's bus plane bike when you go to those apps but when they somebody clicks bike it needs to show what we want them to do not what ways wants them to do correct yeah so this this engineering firm maybe maybe I'm it's pie in the sky but I think they they could set into motion some something like I'm sure if they do these type of projects they have this concept yeah something I don't know how to do but that's why we're paying them that's why you're paying of $200,000 [Laughter] right excellent great idea yeah good sorry well good well thanks for sharing your background George yeah that's great George welcome and uh we we we we you'll be on our mailing list you'll know when we meet well it's something I'm I'm very passionate about good yeah we can send that's why I like it this time of year better than in the summer because I can ride my bike anywhere abolutely all right um I'll entertain a motion to adjourn if uh there's nothing else before the committee we got second all in favor all right right thanks Terry thanks Terry thank you guys Happy Valentine's everybody we're turning off the mic yeah I'm G turn off the camera I will we've been live yeah yeah um Terry has a couple of items for you Jeff want to keep going that's it oh Terry's not done Terry not done we have just off the record I had a couple oh off the Record let me stop streaming there do we have to do the Pledge of Allegiance again cause we yeah you miss theedge question do you need a ride from the