##VIDEO ID:K## e e e e e e e e e e e [Music] PA [Music] not yet good afternoon welcome to the Board of Health meeting of August 5th 2024 please note this meeting is being recorded and shall and will be available shortly Hereafter for scheduled and on Dem and viewing on any smartphone or tablet if anyone else is recording the meeting please notify the chairperson pursuant to Governor he's March 29th 2023 signing of the acts of 2023 extending certain covid-19 measures adopted during the state emergency suspending certain provisions of the open meeting law until March 31st 2025 this meeting of the chadam Board of Health is being conducted in person and via remote participation every effort will be made to ensure that the public can adequately access to proceedings as provided for in the order a reminder that persons who would like to listen to this meeting while in progress may do so may do so by calling the phone number 1 15894 54410 the conference ID number is 40671 711 pound or they may join the meeting online via Microsoft teams through the link in the posted agenda while this is a live broadcast and simal cast on chadam TV Channel 8 and 1072 despite our best efforts we may not be able to provide real-time access we will post a record of this meeting in the town's website as soon as possible and I would like to turn the meeting over to our chairperson Dr Noble Hansen thank you uh it shall be the policy of this board to conduct its meetings under the open meetings laws so as to encourage public participation whenever time permits and as part of agenda item discussions uh okay we have two um items but first let's establish a quorum and as I go down just say present uh Carol Boyce here John Beckley present Ron Broman and Noble Hansen I'm present so we have a quorum uh the first variance is uh a hearing for Christopher and Susan Wilson 434 cockal Cove Road JC Ellis design company is the engineer and uh do we have someone from Ellis here you can up there and just present the variance for us good afternoon for the record my name is Jason Ellis uh representing Christopher and Susan Wilson um the Wilson has purchased this property it actually has it's a four-bedroom dwelling it's right on the parking lot down at the End by cockal Cove um it's an existing four-bedroom dwelling it currently is served by a single Cesspool um so what we've done is prepared a plan for to upgrade the um the cess pool uh with a new 1500g septic tank a pump chamber in leech field which would accommodate the four-bedroom dwelling um the lot's uh very small um and we're looking for several variances uh there's really not a lot of estate there to um to put a septic system um so we're looking for four variances the first one is a twoot variance from the proposed leech field which is the SAS to the lot line for parcel 58-1 17-16 which is the property to the north uh 10 ft is required 8T is provided and two foot variance is requested and the second variance is a 5-ft variance from the proposed leech field to the lot line for parcel 58-3 D9 19 which is the property to the South uh 10 ft again is required 5 ft is provided and a 5ft variance is requested and then we're asking for a 43t variance from the proposed leech field to the Wetland resource area which would be the Coastal Bank uh which is to the south of the property which is adjacent to the uh Nantucket Sound um 100 foot requirement 5 57 ft provided and a 43t variance is requireed requested and then the last variance is a no Reserve area um which generally isn't required on an upgrade but um just we're asking for other variances I usually just ask for it anyhow but i' be happy to answer any questions you might have yeah thank you so it's uh converting Cesspool to a standard Title 5 system not increasing the number of bedrooms uh already for it's uh okay for four bedrooms um questions uh from the board or comments uh I ask you one uh what are you going to do with the Cesspool that's there the sesp will just be filled in in place so though I don't the house hasn't been occupied for a number of years um so my presumption is is the Cesspool will be dry um so what they'll do is they'll just literally just flip the lid open fill it up with clean sand compact it and then um and then be done with it just leave it in place okay um yeah Ron is this going to be just a summer home or is it going to be year round yeah the house the house is actually um they're doing some work on it now but it was in very it was in a very Advanced stage of disrepair I don't think it's insulated or anything um the foundation on it is very compromised it's literally only has like four cinder blocks under holding up four corners of it so there there's not a lot there I would foresee that this probably would come back before you at some point in the future for some kind of construction upgrade or Foundation upgrade or maybe whatnot but but I don't think the house is habitable on a on a year- round basis at this point I I don't think it's insulated I don't think it has certainly doesn't have you know windows that are insulated or anything like that or doors that are insulated so it's it's it's pretty rustic so will not be went to home no I I I certainly wouldn't want to spend winter there that's thank you it would be chilly new Cedar sh new Cedar Sid I yeah they put new cedar shingles on the outside and but just I think to make it look a little little more presentable it was looking a little ratty there back in the spring it looks pretty straightforward to me and it's certainly going to be an improvement on what was there so it makes perfect sense to me to um to approve the requests I do have I would like to speak on this um topic please uh name is Mark could you hold one moment please sure anyone yeah we can ask for public comment you want to do it now okay but sure yeah okay I'm sorry you can go ahead sir sure uh name is Mark wath um our I I'm the owner of uh property uh south facing uh that uh is going to have uh significant issues with this uh proposal uh 440 cocko Cove Road so we actually have the lot lineing to the South that the gentleman was mentioning there U not only that but uh going into closer to the to Nantucket Sound the 43t Varian is significant uh there's been significant um beach erosion over that area and will be even more significant uh so uh I uh have a a significant issue with any sort of variance that would go onto my property and towards n Tucket sound um okay so um yeah any comments or other questions from the board I just have one question is it for the engineer is there any other way has he looked at everything is there anything else he could do to kind of eliminate some of the uh I mean the other options is we could we could we could resize the leech field and maybe ask for a 25% reduction in the size of the leech field to reduce it um so in essence we'd be putting a a three-bedroom leech field in but you know it would probably put a little more burden on the leech field um you know being you know 3/4 of the size that's required by code so it might become overburdened from a treatment standpoint um I mean there's there's several different ways that this could be laid out but you really only have that one little envelope on that side of the house you could turn it and twist it whatever you're still going to end up with all the components being generally in the same area um I put the leech field where I did closer to the house just to gain some elevation from the flood zone which is the parking lots all in the flood zone and the and the east side of the property's all in the flood zones flood zones just so that wouldn't be inundated um if it ever became flooded in a major storm event but um the Cesspool itself is just over 50 ft from the top of Coastal Bank so we're actually gaining a few few feet on the leech field from where the Cesspool is now um and uh you know the the lot itself is very stable um there's actually a driveway that runs between my client's southerly lot line and this gentleman's house so there's a a like a dirt or gravel driveway that that's actually in between there so there's it the area is very stable um I don't see any of the disturbance that we would be creating by installing the septic system exacerbating any erosion issues um area can you uh clear up where exactly is the neighbor that's uh brought up the issue which which direction from the house is he on the south he's on the South Side no uh are you still here Mr uh yes I'm I'm here yep where is your house located now uh 440 I'm right on the water so I'm in front uh in front of between uh the proposed the property we're talking about right now and um the Tucket sound so if you look on my plan there's actually if you see where it says parcel 58-1 13-19 yes that's his parcel okay it's right here so his house is between the water and my client's house yeah what what's the number again it's 58220 uh 581 1319 is this the house the house that was just built rebuilt no that's that's the one that's was just redone was 58 1220 that's the one that's right on the parking lot gotcha so that parcel um is there a grade there or how would he be impacted by putting a leeching fit leashing pit on the on the on on the back side of it I don't think he'd be impacted at all is there is there a gray down there or run off something it's relatively flat it slopes up from the parking lot from towards my client house and then from my client's house down towards the Southwest towards the coastal Beach it slopes back down again so my client's house is kind of on a high point and and the ab Butter's house that's on the line is also kind of on that same kind of high area right and uh so it's all kind of a high area which is why I put the leech field where I did it's kind of the highest point on the property there that we could utilize to to gain the separation of groundw and also keep it out of the flood zone so so has is this issue from the southernly neighbor come up with you before have you already dealt no not okay can I yeah Judy I was just going to say I mean from the standpoint of getting attaining maximum feasible compliance I think this probably is the best we can do um he's getting a putting a full-size leech field in there which is which is great he's basically shoe horn horning it in um these variances are just to property lines they're they're pretty minor um there won't be any breakout it's not changing any grades at all um it's much more environmentally sound than the existing cess pool is so I don't I don't foresee there being any issues um with this system yeah Ron I was wonder if we could hear again what the the neighbor feels about this hear from the neighbors his his exact problem complaint issue well the the exact uh issue and complaint is that first of all there's a there is a uh requested variants to go onto my property which I don't approve number one number two the size of the new CS pool is not needed the size of that house uh it shows a four bedroom I believe that the total square footage is around 6 to 800 square ft uh it doesn't need that size of a Cess pool so um you know I don't have my attorney on right now but I I do have the ability to uh you you know to put put that in play if need be but uh I do not and will not approve of any variance onto uh my property no one was reached out to me to have this discussion all we did was got it we received something in the mail saying that this meeting was going on today nobody reached out to to us to have a conversation uh like my neighbor did next to me when he before he built rebuilt his house and we had a great discussion none of that was done so um you know I'm just voicing my opinion as the owner of that property and I do not agree with it yeah and this this is where you do it now I'd ask Mr Ellis um are are you going to have to go on this AB Butter's property at all or or be on his property no there's nothing proposed on the ab Butter's property all the work is proposed on my client's property so nothing no work is to take place on the abd's property well you have to get on his property to with your trucks to to service the driveway comes from the Northeast um it comes across the the Northerly property and I believe they have they have an easement for that um in fact this abutter their driveway runs across my client's property so they have to go their driveway goes across my client's property and I had to keep all the components out of his driveway so that we could get the septic system you know in the right place so his driveway actually encumbered trying to get the septic system put in place cuz driveway goes along the the east side of my client property on the so is there some sort of in easement there I guess I don't know that there is to be honest with you so um okay I I I didn't find one but I I didn't really look hard for an easement either so so this is the minimum this is the minimum size system that can you know it's a four-bedroom house it doesn't matter that it's a small house it's four bedrooms they need to according to our rules they need to put a four bedroom septic Sy in there currently a four bedroom house this is the four plan that was submitted yeah that's now yeah it's two levels because it says proposed dwelling one says existing existing conditions I don't it doesn't say proposed I no in oh I'm yeah that's probably my you know me with my yeah it's not it's an existing dwelling right that's my typo I apologize for that um no additional flow is proposed so it's an existing four-bedroom dwelling um how is the law the the it's tiny 4,000 square fet it's tiny so but we you know we can't take away someone's use of their property it's an existing house and they have the right to put a new septic system in there um and a variance is Not Unusual in these circumstances and it's up to the board we don't need to get permission from the abuts and we certainly have an interest in someone upgrading from a Cess pool to a Title 5 system generally yeah well it's required it's not just an interest you actually your regulations require it so because because of the transfer of the property oh I see oh yeah it's considered a failed system okay this is pretty routine then time in that respect yes yeah we didn't know yeah the whole point is to before these types of properties change hands we get them upgraded to to a um a better system right okay well that that's even more um reason that we would approve this I think is because it's the transfer and it's required and the other question is and you've already answered it is is there a place where you can put the leeching field which would have less impact on uh the variances you're you're requesting and the answer is no so other questions or comments um or any further response from the abutter yes go ahead one other quick question would be uh was any of this or is is it needed to be approved by uh the uh Coastal which anything that I've ever done on my property whether or not it's it's on the uh the beach side or it's on above has always had to get approval um from environmental or uh from environmental and Co engineer and the coastal side conservation than Jason yeah we're due to go to conservation in like a week and a half I think the week after next we have an RDA file with conservation so and and to the abutter is there any do you have any further question on um whether they'll need to be on your property to do this because you had mentioned that before but pretty clearly he the engineer has said they will not have to be on your property well that that that's something we'll have to take offline because I we I don't agree with that and and so we're going to have to I'll have to readdress that and uh may may I ask in what sense don't you agree with it just for our information well I have to this is what I was told when I shared the information uh with my Council so that's uh I decided to be on the call today so yeah uh you know that's I'm all I'm doing is trying to relay the information that was told to me if it wasn't a big deal I wouldn't be on the call today sure we all more more important things to do obviously important for me to to voice my uh my opinion with it and we'll just have to take it from here you have to make your decision I I don't agree with that based on the information I received and there is going to be U you know unfortunately he's going to have there is issue with you know actually using property or uh the variance going on to my property so that was the biggest issue and one that I'll have to address uh at a later date but you have to make your decisions now I I would I think what we don't understand is uh the variance going onto your property that that's what um I don't understand they're required to have 10 ft from the property line they're going to have five so they and that's they're not onto his property that won't go on his property that's just the over the Dig will be 5T from his property line as as opposed to 10 and that's pretty common so less far away from his property line okay other question questions or comments or sorry this is going in front of the conservation group also correct yeah like just what before it's in a week and a half he said it's on their agenda I will go over the plan with them but um they're usually pretty straightforward with these when someone's upgrading they may make some requirements for um protecting runoff and such during construction and replanting and such but there isn't too much they can they can do this is a tough one though right but it is a transfer property and then part of the transfer it's that's how the rules are written I think as well can so does uh somebody entertain a motion I will I will move that we um re that we approve the um the proposal including the the um the two variances that are referenced in Judy's memo of uh July 31 regarding to the property line setback and the uh setback from the wetlands so I'm fine with it and do I have a second second Carol was second um okay and then before we take a vote uh Judy can you uh read the um conditions yep the applicant should restrict this property to a maximum of four bedrooms and record the restriction on the deed at the ma at the barville County registry of deeds the applicant shall submit a copy of the executed deed restriction to the Board of Health the engineer shall submit an engineered as Bill plan including as Bill elevations with a written certification that the system has been installed in accordance with the approved plan and no alteration to the Flor plans of the D dwelling will be allowed without further review by the board of health or its agent um okay and then we can take uh a roll call vot vote on this one uh when I call your name say whether you're in favor uh Carol Boyce yes John Beckley yes Ron Broman yes and Noble Hansen I say yes so that variance is uh granted thank you very much okay the uh next variance uh on the schedule is U hearing and approval of IIA technology for Francis and Elizabeth tatalo 30 wet way Ryder and Willcox and we have Stephanie sequin to present the yep varience yes thank you good afternoon Stephanie sequin with Brer and Wilcox representing Fran and Betsy dallo they are the owners of the property at 30 wet way and currently there is a uh two-bedroom home that was constructed in somewhere around 20020 I believe it's located on a lot that has 21 a little over 21,000 square feet and uh we're proposing to uh expand the uh existing leeching system to have a capacity to allow a third bedroom and replace the existing standard uh septic tank with a uh a new microfast septic tank um in order to accommodate the Ia technology um I'm sure you're familiar with the microfast does have D approval for nitrogen reduction um but due to your nitrogen loading regulations which say uh no lot shall receive more than 440 gallons per day per 40,000 square ft of lot area we are requesting a variance to allow um the equivalent of 660 gallons per day per 40,000 square feet or basically uh three bedrooms on a lot with less than 30,000 square feet um but with the uh uh condition that we provide the Ia technology to reduce the nitrogen can I just this this is a zone two of a public water water supply so they would be required to do this even without our regulations so be required to upgrade to IIA to put IIA in in order to add a third bedroom yes but without a Title Five variants just right of we still require approval from the board they could do it with straight Title Five approval I think there's a typo in your cover memo on the one think the third paragraph from the top they're going to three bedrooms yes right four is a mistake we want to be three good I'm not good okay so it's a uh a variance to allow one extra bedroom converting from a Title 5 system to IIA technology on a 21,7 7,900 foot lot um any questions or comments from the board Ron yeah didn't we talk about this once before we we're allowing them to have an extra bedroom which makes it more than it should be based on the size of the lot we allow only have we allow um all homes if especially if they're in a Zone 2 and they have the the right amount of land they allow we're allowing a third bedroom yeah if they have more than 10,000 talk about the size of the lot right they have more than 10,000 square feet in this case because it's in a zone two they have to be able to meet the the requirements of Title Five which are a little bit more even more restrictive and they do so we we changed our rag run so that we would allow third I just saw a couple of meetings ago we talked about this this does not tie in with the prohibition on uh seasonal renting and I me we into that phase of the regulation also here I I mean um the board could put that as a condition but this is allowed under Title Five um but you could put that as a condition and not allow I'm still fuzzy about that whole thing we did in terms of you know when it applies when it doesn't apply and you know I don't want to be arbitrary basically we said if any cu first as Ron was saying we weren't allowing a third bedroom if they didn't have 30,000 square ft of lot area so what we did to satisfy some concerns in town was say that if they had more than 10,000 square ft of land we would allow a third bedroom and the the board could condition it that they would not be allowed to use the property for short-term rentals so you certainly can do that here if that's what you'd like to do isn't so if the lot's over 20,000 Square fet they they're allowed two bedrooms by right with the standard system and so we're we're adding one extra bedroom going from Title 5 to IIA technology that's right that's that's and I think that is going from two to three with that's pretty standard now for us the the the short-term rental is something that you have the option to put as a condition for approval on these I think it was the loots between 10 and 20,000 which at one point we said they couldn't do it couldn't get the extra bedroom but then we modified that you can get it but we added the short-term rental re restriction on that group as I 10 and 20 is that correct Judy is yes yeah so this this lot is over this is different so this is this is different that's my understanding I would agree but that's how I read the regulation yeah so I think this to me is um not subject pretty straightforward and it would we wouldn't it wouldn't we wouldn't be putting the short-term rental restriction that would be a lot under 20,000 that had two bedrooms and we they were adding a third and then we would put that restriction so um what other questions or comments John I'm okay okay um is the homeowner occupied yes yeah they're there it it currently is it's it's for sale and so and I think it's under agreement so I don't know what the new owner intends to do this is like Three Doors Down from my house right it's right there I I walked down today to to look at didn't have to [Applause] drive it's a fairly new house I mean the house is brand new just about I can't I'm just looking for the uh oh here okay yeah right and then the the uh the house um itself the bedrooms are pretty clear cut and this is the one where they're adding they're converting a sitting area you're actually putting in a wall in a door to convert the right into a private area it it was designed with the 5 foot cased opening so that it would not be considered the third bedroom and now for marketing purposes there right right okay and that closing it in to be a legitimate third bedroom that seems pretty straightforward so um I guess is there any input from the public yeah I have a quick question I could you come up to the microphone please well it's for the audience up well we're I I don't know if that one's usually up there yeah you put the button on hi I'm Steve Russo I'm I live at 33 um waiting Place path so it's right behind this house and I just have a simple question what kind of construction goes on here it looks like they must have cleared most of the lot already they just built the house a couple years back but are they going to clear any more I don't know if there's any more land to clear what what's involved here is it a bigger footprint or system have you seen the I did not site plan I did not take a look doesn't look like that so the um the existing septic system is in the front yard and the existing septic tank is simply going to be removed and a new tank put in the same place right to the front Y and then uh we will be expanding the existing leeching system with if you're looking on the site plan there's a little uh L leg that kind of extends to the South so all the work is going to take place in the front yard okay that's fine it's a beautiful house thank you that's fine okay I have no issue y okay other question or comments and then if not can I get a motion it seems pretty straightforward to me I'll make a motion that we approve the um the application uh for the uh addition of the secondary treatment unit per the um the applicant okay and then a second I'll second run will second okay and then we'll uh take a a voice we'll take a vote you want me to read the condition oh yeah read the conditions please I'm just looking to see if there was anyone online I don't see anyone any any other input from the public I don't see any okay um the standard conditions would be the applicant shall restrict the property to a maximum of three bedrooms and record the restriction on the deed um and they shall sign a CO Covenant and deed restriction with the board agreeing to comply at such time as the town of chadam through its Board of Health and or Board of Water and Sewer Commissioners directs the connection of this property to the municipal sewer the Covenant and de rediction shall be recorded at the Barnsville County registry of deeds um throughout the life of the system it shall be under an operation and maintenance agreement approval of the system and O andm agreement shall be in accordance with the Department of Environmental prot protection uh biom microbic certification for General use approved December 29th 2010 revised March 20th 2015 total nitrogen shall be monitored monitored in a performance standard of 19 milligrams per liter is required to be met effent shall be tested quarterly for the first two years and twice per year thereafter approval by the Board of Health um with approval by the Board of Health the applicant agrees to apply a minimum of 6 in which is a compacted top soil to all landscaped areas the engineer shall submit an engineered as built plan including ads built elevations with a written certification that the system has been installed in accordance with the approved plan no alteration to the floor plan of the dwelling or the engineered site plan will be allowed without further review by the board or its agent and the variance is granted uh pursuant to the State Environmental code and the town of chadam subsurface sewage regulations it's or and nitrogen loading regulations and is valid for one year from the date of the Board of Health approval a permit must be issued and work commen during that onee period okay I have yes one comment the the requirement to apply 6 in of top soil over all landscaped areas I know like if if this was a new house it would be it should say Disturbed areas as long as that's you know the area by the septic installation we actually did change that oring to Disturbed areas okay thank you okay um I think we can take a a roll call vote for approval or not and uh as I call your name Carol Boyce yes John Beckley yes Ron browman yes and Noble Hansen yes so that variance is approved for 30as way okay thank you very much thank you okay so um old business um I just mentioned that uh in the fall probably in October uh we will set up a short-term regulation progress report um by Karen how' you say her last name Karen by the person that's taken care of it Shima Shima uh to give us a comprehensive report on on what's happened over the summer with the short-term uh regulation uh that's in place and then Judy uh knows about the uh community health project and there's going to be a report on that can you fill us in on that we had a a presentation of the draft report sorry we had a presentation of the draft Community Health needs assessment um and that will be finalized in the next week or so so what I'd like to do is have um the report presented to you um I think you probably have a fairly good idea about what the findings are going to show um but a lot of your concerns and questions are in there um so I'd like to have uh perhaps Katie from the county come and present that and then we also have discussed um a couple times about having um some of the services uh that are available in town that people come and present and tell us you know what they do and how people can yeah and so when when would the Health Report uh be presented to the committee approximately October no no no the community health oh no it's ready it's done when when when do you think that would I mean we can probably do that for for your for the board um in early September okay early September yeah and then after that um I we had mentioned um having a forum on on Community Services because when we talked about Community Health a lot of it was Community Services we had try to get someone from the Council of Aging uh Leah lacrosse is the community services director Services director who would present the town services and probably somebody from the fishing community that would address those issues that were brought up yep um and that could follow the report and that would be a good timing I think so anybody uh else have old business or a com comment or new business something to bring up I think we we talked about the floor at the transfer station y you're going to bring that up yeah that's a uh a letter was complaint was uh delivered to us about the odor from the from the transport station and Judy is there any update I need to touch base with Rob again he said that they are trying to clean that pressure wash every couple of weeks but it's just I'm there at least once twice a week and he says it's it the the floor has Det deteriorated and there's um puddling and issues with the floor um they Unfortunately they were turned down for their money to um update the transfer station so but I think the the plan was Ron's question um Judy needs to get some more information from Mr phy about this issue and then we're going to have to decide how we address it because it may be something that we have to bring up or U help or make some kind of a determination or something so it's an open issue and it's I agree with Ron it's it's an important issue and he's looking for support from the Board of Health to to address the concerns I remember this coming up every single August yep every August this comes up and it's a it's a it's a function of the fact that we have the most people in town the most tonnage being disposed of during the hottest T hottest weeks of the year with the highest humidity of the year and it it's just a converging of regular uh factors that that cause us to all we ring our hands and we say something needs to happen better and then we get a commitment that somebody's going to try and do that genuinely I mean I I I believe that they are but I again the floor and the building is so deteriorated that there's no drainage in there so even when they spray it down it's it's almost impossible to get it I mean if that if if that is the conclusion then then we need to we need to recognize that right and I think that's that Rob um would like some maybe the Board of Health to support his request for um whatever he needs to do to get that building fixed funding rebuilding the the building or uh the rebuilding of the transfer station should we have a board of health meeting there do we want to meet as a board and do that make any sense to us where me where at the transfer station as the Board of Health or or a subcommittee of the board could meet and and and and actually see firsthand what is it yeah well I think the sequence would he can certainly do that he give us a tour and and show us what the concerns are I think I think first maybe we Mr phy could come back and and fill us in exactly on this issue where things are with the idea of what does he need from us what can we do and then set up an inspection um either the board or or a non- quorum group and uh and then think about what we can do to push some resolution to this for Mr failey in the town and but I think that would be the sequence let me put it on an agenda for one of our next upcoming meetings and discy coming here yeah I'll ask him to he can I think so because we can ask him all these questions and and then he could have a chance to put all his thoughts together in a few years ago we had him in front of us here for the same issue yes we' had Tom yeah but I think it's gotten worse I mean I mean it's just thick some somewhere but it's it's now it's you yeah sludge and then his his issue of Manpower how often can he can he clean it I'm sure that's what he's going to say but we need to hear all that from him is he doing the best is the more they can do whatever so that'll be the sequence that that's an important issue that's out there I think but John I agree with what you said yeah the one thing I noticed this last year and this year we used to have people come in and complain about the smell of it up there do you remember that that's the current complaint we had him come in front of us from a neighbor the same neighbor who you know is it the same for good and he's very he's very patient and um he understands the issues but no he wrote a very reasonable letter yeah and uh Mr fail recognizes it's a problem that oh yeah but we'll get him to talk so okay that's good okay good um all right any other issue or from someone okay then we can um do we do we need to do we need to discuss at all the a August 1 letter that was sent out by uh Judy regarding um the short-term rle at 99 Main Street uh maybe Judy just get fill this we um no they have cleaned up the website um they've taken down all the descriptions of the property as more than four bedrooms although there is still pictures of the pool house with bed with a bed in it um I'm I did request that they um set up an inter uh an inspection so um I haven't heard from them but K Karen has been in touch with the realtor and they did clean the website up so right now it's listed only as a four bedroom with no extra sleeping areas um four bedroom sleeps uh 10 which is what it should be not to exceed right and their their short-term rental registration was has that been updated then yes yeah uh oh yeah that was updated but they hadn't updated the website too much and I went through and looked at it when dick was showing me it and um and I found and then I reviewed the building file and our file that pool house was the property was deed restricted with the understanding that the pool house was not going to be a bedroom it was supposed to be a Seasonal Pool House only with no sleeping and um we can see what it's a beautiful Suite there now but I think it's an important aspect that and Judy maybe can speak to this but that they the health department does look at the website advertising to see if it jives with what they have I mean we try to that's a part of what they do when you know addressing a complaint and I think dick Edwards brought it up at the house last meeting or meeting before yep yes so this is the second letter they've gotten so this is you know shows the uh short-term rental regulation in in in process yep um John you have a look like you have a question I have a question comment at um and dick has alluded to this in the past on the one hand you have a property owner managing their property for rentals in which case they are bound by not offering sleeping not advertising more beds than are allowed by the agreement at the same time that homeowner after the summer if they wanted to have 20 people come in from around the country and come to their home and have an extended family gathering there's no law that says they couldn't do that no and so you then you get into this tension between well we like to have a big family reunion every October with 20 people so we need beds to sleep 20 people for that special time of the year at the same time during the summer when when a unit Home is being rented they're restricted on how many beds they can have because that defines how many guests they can support so how does that get reconciled in some I mean I think I think they need to um and they're they're renting this property out for many many weeks a year and I think it needs to meet the requirements of the Board of Health um regulation and and if they have to I mean one of the rooms is wasn't even supposed to be a bedroom in the main house they still show showing you know they had five bedrooms in the main house right when the house when the septic was built it was showed as a den family room and um so that room should not have a bed in it I mean they have two illegal bedrooms they do yes so can we compel them because they are rentals to modify the appearance and the Furnishing of the home to remove those certainly can try I mean that's kind of where I'm coming from at some point you can't be doing doesn't mean they can't have a pull out couch or you know but I think but they need to comply to the number of legal bedrooms by Title Five by the by the nitrogen loading regulation right I mean when when this was put in we didn't didn't have that rule with you know it was just a a quick sketch that they gave us and we allowed a four-bedroom house the pool house was built after the fact okay um so yep yeah you can see that okay but but our rules uh short-term rental regulations addressed that group of private property owners who made the decision to turn their home into a business correct and so there are offer rules for them we have given to them based on that and I to me that's reasonable and getting getting into private residences and and occupancy limits and parking is that we haven't got into that we've just taken and we owners who have converted made their properties into a business and and those business operations or the scope of those business operations are defined and limited by the regulations we proposed we've promulgated yes so they cannot enter into a contract for rental with with with with me members of the public to rent that property to more than 10 people I don't care how many beds they have they can't do it legally yeah correct um okay but somebody who is um not a short-term rental that home still has to has to uh comply with the number of bedrooms uh based on their septic systemtic system right and those come up those come up all the time when they go to sell they don't often get inspected you don't know about them perhaps but but it's they still what happens when technically are need to comply and if it comes up in a complaint so Judy has you know like perhaps this property then that that would be corrected okay y all right fa enough okay um and then uh minutes we have uh the minutes of our July 15th meeting does anyone have um an addition or correction I'll make a motion we approve the minutes of July 15th 2024 we can take a second you're Ron a second uh we can take a Voice vote all in favor say I I I opposed okay so those are approved and then we have executive session uh minutes of the July 15th meeting I'll make a motion we approve those uh minutes okay in a second second and we have a second uh we take a voice vot all in favor say I I okay those are approved as well and then um I can take a motion to adjourn the meeting I'll so move and a second and we can take a Voice vote all all uh approving of adjourning the meeting say I I I opposed okay hearing none the meeting is adjourned so we'll turn off our mics no discussion [Music] pap [Music]