e [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] for [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] this board is comprised of seven members four m members of the board shall constitute a quorum and the affirmative vote of four members shall be necessary for the adoption of any motion if only four members of the board are present an applicant May request and be entitled to a continuance to the next regularly scheduled meeting of the board if a matter is continued due to a lack of Quorum the chairperson or Secretary of the board May set a special meeting to consider such matter in the event that four votes are not obtained an applicant except in the case of a comprehensive plan Amendment May request a continuance or allow the application to proceed to the city commission without a recommendation pursuant to resolution number 202-1184 Gables has returned to traditional inperson meetings however the Planning and Zoning Board has established the ability for the public to provide comments virtually for those members of the public who are appearing on zoom and wish to testify you must be visible to the court reporter to be sworn in other otherwise if you speak without being sworn in your comments may not have evidentiary value lobbyist registration and disclosure any person who acts as a lobbyist must register with the city clerk as required pursuant to the city code as chair I now officially call the City of Coral Gables planning and zoning board meeting of April 10 2024 to order the time is 6:00 Joe if you please call the role Robert bear presentent will you have here zalinski here fix Paro here faier Salman chip Withers yes abis instead here notice regarding exp parte communication please be advised that this board is quazi judicial board which requires board members to disclose all expar Communications and site visits an expar communication is defined as any contact communication conversation correspondence memorandum or other written or verbal 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swearing in everyone who speaks this evening must complete the roster on the podium we ask that you print clearly so the official records of your name and address will be correct now with the exception of attorneys all persons physically in the city commission Chambers who will speak on agenda items before us this evening please rise to be sworn in thank you zoom platform participants I will ask any person wishing to speak on tonight's agenda item to please open your chat and send a direct message to Jill Menendez stating that you would like to speak before the board and include your full name Jill will call you when it's your turn I ask you to be concise for the interest of Time phone platform participants after Zoom platform participants are done I will ask phone phone participants to comment on tonight's agenda item I will also ask you to please be conscise for the interest of time first we have the approval of the minutes of March 13 2024 has everybody had a chance to read those I have and have a comment um on uh page 116 uh line item number two number 22 Sorry Miss kavaloski made a a statement says yes I want to put on the record that we have three board members three members of this board that arbitrarily and subjectively are moving the CBD boundary that is what this vote is all about I want to put that on the record but and then Mr chairman you you say I would disagree with you but that's your choice I want to state that this board did not move the CBD boundary whatsoever we don't have the authority to move the boundary that's a false statement with all due respect and we we need to make sure that whatever statement this board member any member of this board makes are correct and factual at no point was the CBD line boundary move I'm I'm a little bit surprised because I may not know much about it but Mr Paro does I wish he would have you know maybe answer you because he's very much more than than I think all of us mran too but we did not move the boundary line whatsoever well first of all you weren't you weren't present at that vote correct you were not here you had you had to recuse yourself from that that vote sue if I may what I ask is it's Robert has made a statement which he's entitled to and I'm commenting he doesn't you are I understand but in what I ask is let him speak let him finish once he's done please do so but I do want to point out and uh if I my understanding is that the member does not have to be present to make a statement on the minutes excuse me when he says we and he wasn't even here that is an inaccurate statement that's not correct I read the minutes that I'm entitled to read as a board member and I see that there is a mistake this you know it's a false statement I want to make the correction for the record so the record is said correctly that we did not this board did not move the boundary CBD boundary lines okay are you done because I'd like to comment are you done go ahead please okay first of all the statement that I made was that this board subjectively and arbitrarily was trying to change the CBD boundary that is a statement of fact I I didn't say that this board has the purview to do that or not I said that's apparently what was happening with the three votes on this board Mr chairman yes sir I may Mr part getting back to the approval of minutes um I I I don't think this this is the right form to debate this the what was said was said it's not a matter of fact whether good time is this on yes sir okay so I think if we get back agreed um would you like to uh I I I would like to make a motion to approve the minutes did you do this I can hear you're fine I don't know what their problem is you are you turned the battery on I know well it wasn't intentional all right so getting back to approval minutes yes sir the minutes are the minutes what we said was said correct this is not I don't think this is the appropriate place to debate a comment whether it's it's plus or minus is it's it's a basically a transcript of what was said sorry s corre would you like to move on and and I wanted to go ahead and move that I I I think I think you can always Robert you could always bring up those comments um as as new business or what whatever but the point is that the minutes are just a transcript of what was said that day whether you agree or disagree whether it's false or it's not false this is not the appropriate thing I I'm just making a motion to approve the minutes as stated okay then we can but but you you asked if motion to approve if there's a clarification this is the moment this is the place and time to do that not in the discussion a month from today and and Robert I think I think it's not a motion to agree it's a motion to approve what was said it it's not a motion just because the motion to approve the minutes doesn't mean that you may agree with the statements that were made is is that clear enough Mr chairman we have a motion to approve what I'd like to do move forward we have second now I would ask actually if there's any comments and I guess that would have been a time possibly for Robert to go ahead and make his comments that were on it which he has already made and they're on the record there you go um any other comments yeah I just obviously we have a board member that that is upset about something and I I don't quite totally understand your because your your let's say the you know the basis what's your what's your basis of the complaint CH because I wasn't here for that vote but the rest of the board members did not move to the CBD line that was not that did not take place in that meeting and and what the statement clearly says says there are three board members that are arbitrary and subjectively moving the CBD line you didn't do that and I just want to set the record straight that that did not take place you who was here should have been you know concerned about it because you did not move the CBD line right there was no vote to move the CBD line and I got and as I clarifi as I said in my statement the vote apparently the intention of that vote from three members was to arbitrarily and subjectively move the CBD line I never said that this board had the purview or didn't have the purview to do that I said three members of this board on their own subjectively subjectively tried to move the boundary Su if I I'd like to move the meeting forward um we have a motion we have a second can we take the role please Julio Gabriel yes Su Kinski yes Felix Paro yes jaier Salman as to a proper record of the meeting that we had yes chip withs yep Robert bear no abis and sta yes um before the first item is read into the record Mr bear Mr chairman I will uh request to be recuse myself the item coming up is it's a a project it's a an item from my office therefore I will ask to be Rec you know step out and Rec thank you sir and Mr chair uh what I what I'd like to do if I may is Joel needs a chair can I ask Javier to come sit to my right please and then if everybody shifts down one chair Joel you can take chair okay but I do have a comment on recusal uh did Mr bear ever fill out one of these forms when he recuses himself from these meetings this is part of the law and I have never seen him fill out one of these nor has it been made available to this board well we'll ask the legal department to take a look at what has been fed out the clerk has those forms anybody that uh recuses themselves as a conflict has has to file that state form I understand that but it has to be made available to the board we've never received a recusal form well I I believe that you just simply get it from the clerk's office and it's available to you well it doesn't say that we have to ask for it it's supposed to be given to us it says right here what the rules are well I I'll ask the clerk to provide copies so that you have them available to you so that if and when you need a recusal you you'll have the form yeah but I mean the filled out form is is what we need per the rules but no you have to these aren't my rules this these are the rules set forward in this in this form right you're you're to fill out that form I'm not saying if I want to recuse myself any board member that recuses himself or herself has to fill out a form it has to be made available to the board members we've never received this well my understanding the matter of course is that if you do recuse yourself you go to the clerk's office you get the form but for convenience for the members I will ask the clerk's office to distribute copies of the form so if and when there's an occasion where you need to recuse yourself rather than having to go down to the clerk to get the form you'll have the form available to you okay but Mr ker I'm saying whoever fills out this form I know it it should be on the record but by this form it says it has to be distributed the completed form has to be distributed to the board he will do that Mr saying if we want to recuse ourselves I'm saying if somebody else recuses himself that form completed must be uh provided to the board we've never gotten one from Mr bear it comes from the clerk so whoever it comes from we never got it m okay Mr CER will look into it make sure the board gets it thank you okay uh can I ask Javier would you mind please just moving over thank you if everybody just shifts one down Jill will be able to have a chair everybody move please thank you I appreciate everybody's cooperation while we're shifting down uh Mr CER yes can you go ahead and read the oh sorry about that can you go ahead and read the uh first agenda item into the record right okay well the first agenda item consists of six items um I'm going read all items in and then we'll have a a hearing a single hearing on all the items and then we'll vote separately on each of the items item E1 an ordinance of the city Commission of calll Gables Florida amending the future land use map of the City of Coral Gables comprehensive plan pursuant to zoning code article 14 process section 14-23 comprehensive plan text and map amendments and small scale Amendment procedures section 163.187 Florida Statutes from commercial lowrise intensity to commercial midrise intensity for a portion of tra a and lots 27 through 31 block 156 Riviera section part 8 1250 South Dixie Highway Carl Gables Florida providing for repealer provision sub ability clause and providing for an effective date item E2 an ordinance of the city Commission of calll G Florida making zoning District boundary changes pursuant to zoning code article 14 process section 14-22 zoning code text and map amendments from mix use 1 mx1 to mix use 2 MX2 for portion of tra a and lots 27 through 31 block 156 Rivier section part 8 1250 South Dixie Highway Carl Gable Florida providing for f of revision cability clause and provid W for an effective date item E3 an ordinance of the city Commission of Carl Gable Florida providing for text Amendment to the city of Carl Gable's official zoning code appendix a site specific zoning regulations Section A- 83 Riviera section part 8 to remove Lots 27 through 31 block 156 from the floor area ratio F and Building height limitations to allow for an increase in F and Building height provided by the underlying zoning Riviera section part 8 1250 South Dixie Highway Carl Gables Florida providing for appealer provision cability clause and providing for an effective date excuse me item E4 in ordinance of the city Commission of Carl Gable Florida approving the vacation of a public Alleyway presu to zoning code article 14 process section 14-21 abandonment wom and vacations in the city code chapter 62 article 8 vacation abandonment en closure of streets easements alleys by private owners and the city application process providing for the vacation of the 45t wide alley which is approximately 125 ft in length lying between tra a and lots 27 through 31 block 156 Riviera section part 8 1250 South Dixie Highway Gable Florida providing for appealer provision separability clause and providing for an effective date item E5 in ordinance of the City Commissioner Carl gaess Florida approving a planned area development pad pursuant to zoning code article 14 process section 14-26 General procedures for plan area development for proposed mixed use project referred to as the mark on the property legally described as a portion of tract a together with Lots 27 through 31 and together with that portion of the 45 ft platted alley block 156 Rivier section part 8 1250 South Dixie Highway Carl Gables Florida providing for appealer provision cability clause and providing for an effective date item E6 a resolution of City Commission of Carl Gables Florida approving a mixed use site plan review pursuant to zoning code article 14 process section 14-20 three conditional uses for a proposed mixed use project including live work units referred to as the mark on the property legally described as portion of tra a together with lots 27 through 31 and together with that portion of the 45 ft platted alley block 156 Rivier section part A 1250 South Dixie Highway Carl Gable Florida providing for a repeal provision separability clause and providing for an effective date item E1 through E6 public hearing thank you is the applicant here miss Russo good morning Mr chairman members of the board for the record good morning did I say good morning oh God long day sorry good evening Mr chairman members of the board for the record Laura Russo with offices at 23 34 Pon Leon Boulevard I am here this evening representing LCD Acquisitions Inc the applicant uh before you today I'd like to introduce the team uh on behalf of LCD Acquisitions I have Mr Eric leaf and Mr Brian Bo our planning consultant Mr Eric reel of e planning our architect Javier font of bear font uh and partners our landscap Cape architect Jeremy Todaro of Witkin Holtz and partners and our traffic engineer Juan Espinosa of David plumber and Associates um we are here this evening to present a mix use project for the Redevelopment of the University shopping center located at 1250 South Dixie Highway I will now turn the podium over to Mr Eric reel and in during his presentation to Mr javat F to take you through the project thank you oh I'm sorry before I'm going to ask Mr Eric Leaf to give you just a little bit of background on uh the applicant so you have a little feel for the applicant Mr Eric Leaf hi Eric Le uh Landmark properties which is the uh owner of LCD Acquisitions thank you so much for having us here this evening um very excited about uh this potential project uh Landmark is a national developer and owner of rental housing um we're a full service company meaning that not only are we a developer we're also a property manager general contractor and a long-term holder of our assets we currently own and manage the standard Coral Gables so we are already uh active in this community and hope to uh expand that uh with this project as well so uh any questions for me as this goes on I'm happy to answer them thank you so much for having us thank you sir Mr real welcome back I guess this time's on the other side of the podium uh I've been on both sides [Music] actually so just for the record Eric reel um planning consultant for the team so I have a thorough presentation um it's somewhat lengthy but I want to make sure that um you get a good overview of the project this evening so I do have um um title slides so I'm just going to go I'm not going to go through each title slide but let's see if I can Pointer's working okay so it's a University Center retail shopping center 1250 South Dixie Highway um let me just Orient you a little bit and again this this pointer is a little bit off so uh muga Avenue this is the Villa Capri Condominiums what's shown in red is the project site Mariposa Court um University metro rail station and then you obviously have the um US1 pedestrian bridge then you have the University of Miami um offices high-rise offices so University shopping center has been around since like 1950 um it's probably one of the first retail strip shopping centers if you look on some of the old University of Miami Maps it's the only thing you'll see on US1 so it's been around a long time it's currently um occupied of restaurant small uh Retail Services um has obviously a large parking lot in front and the site is about 3.1 acre in size so in terms of the adjacent land uses um as they indicated a us uh pedestrian bridge um the metro rail station and then obviously the underly phase 3 um then the University of Miami campus okay um on the Mariposa court side uh you have the City Bank um you have a restaurant space that's actually vacant TGI Fridays was in there but it's vacant at this time um then you have the drive-thru um which is the back of the bank area um and then this is um just a view of Mariposa court and then the drive-thru across the street so in terms of muga Avenue which is the rear of the property um this is a view sorry this a view um looking from mayor Posta Court um obviously the back of the Center proceeding further south these three photographs on the bottom are the rear of the Villa Capri Condominiums um they actually have parking spaces that um back into the Mad Avenue which is a 30ft rway um also their um entrance to their parking garages um their parking garages in the rear as well so on the Southwest property line is the University of Miami uh office tower um it's approximately 150 ft in height um then across the street as I indicated is a metro rail station um and this is just a A View From The U madruga Avenue back back of the University of Miami so it's a midrise mixed use uh residential project um our request is for change in comp plan the map zoning map text Alley abandonment pad zoning conditional mixed use site plan um to also allow live work units eight floors is the proposal 97 ft um we're creating a garden p which I'll go into some more detail um it's actually between two buildings two separate buildings um 125 units an acre which is the allowable density per zoning code um we're going to construct 393 hopefully construct 393 residential Apartments they vary one two and three bedroom they vary in size from 57 ft to the largest being 1452 um in terms of the ground floor um uses there's 12 live work units about 20,000 sare F retail restaurant and then some office space and the total number of spaces um within the garage is about approximately 700 spaces so just kind of give you an idea one level underground parking ground floor will Heather retail restaurant 2 through four will be internal vehicle parking in the apartments fifth floor has the apartments pedestrian bridge um again within two buildings with in two separate buildings um floor six and seven are Apartments a floor will'll have the apartments Pool Spa um outdoor uh rooftop amenities and then floors 2 through eight will have be wrapped by residential units give some water I'm going to lose my voice eventually um so I want to go through just uh um in terms of the land planning and Architectural design uh the mobility and transportation improvements and there's six of those that I'm going to go through in Fairly detail um and also open space Green Space so in terms of the project design um creating we're going to create four building front faces um with medat trting architectural features on all sides um numerous architectural elements balconies step backs and Javier is going to go over that in a little bit um and again the ground floor um the street Frontage in the poo is wrapped entirely by retail restaurant office uses as well as the live work uses all on-site op operations all the vehicle parking all loading deliveries um including deliveries for the residents um large trucks Amazon FedEx all internal there's a separate trash recycling um room fully enclosed room on the rear of the property as well um there's no rear back of house um uses which you typically see in in a development and then we obviously will be undergrounding all um overhead utilities so what I want to do is just go through brief ly and then turn over to Javier to talk a little bit about the architecture is just kind of Orient you on the site all right so the top is us one South Dixie this is the first building here and then you have the second building it's bifurcated by a garden what I'm calling a garden pero 56 ft wide um 326 ft in length um it's open to the sky there's no no ceiling or anything like that totally open to the sky um retail restaurant on this on these these two sides here then we have office and as you can see this is the ground floor plate interior parking and again proceeding through the poo and then these are the live work units as you can see they wrap around the back of madruga on both sides and then the Poo kind of flares out when it gets towards the residential um again this is a Villa Capri Condominiums and these what you see these spaces here are their spaces at back in into the street um in terms of what I want to call back a house you know fpnl vaults those are over here you know the electrical and they're over here um but again the entire building is wrapped all everything is pretty much internal to the development so with that I'm going to turn over to jav areas is going to go briefly through some of the architectural elements and then I'm going to come back up and um finish my presentation good morning apparently Javier font bear font and partners 4533 p constantly on Boulevard um I want to take just a couple minutes cuz um Eric told me I don't have much time to explain to you the design intent behind the building and sort of the big Strokes uh of what we tried to do here so we're all familiar with this site we all know that it's probably one of the best sites in corg and South Florida so the Mandate from the ownership group was to design a legacy property that they could hold for as long as they you know see into the future future um and something that would become part of the fabric of Coral Gables and contribute to the fabric of Coral Gables so that's what we've tried to do we've tried to be as true to the Mediterranean code as possible um and in doing so we've we did a lot of research and a lot of study on you know historical Mediterranean buildings specifically um the milmore and I don't want to compare ourselves or our building to probably one of the the most beautiful historical buildings in the world but we did look at it and context and and its style and and what it does in terms of architecture so I know that after that introduction um it's very hard to start a building talking about parking but that's exactly what I want to do one of the things that we've tried to do here one of the things that we noticed in um Mediterranean buildings is that you don't see the parking in Mediterranean buildings right you don't see what we've become so accustomed to which is these Podium buildings where you get a little bit of retail on the ground floor get three or four floors of parking right up to the street you know poly screen and then you step back your Tower just because you're so imposing on the property so we have concealed 700 parking spaces in this building where you don't see one parking space right it's all internal um this has forced us to do several things we've got a basement and we ended up instead of ending up with two or three floors of parking We've Ended up with five levels of internalized parking but as Eric started to point out it is 100% lined by unit so you on the ground floor you either have a Lobby some sort of amenity a restaurant a retail component something of that nature that addresses the street and brings eyes to the street and activity to the street and then the next seven levels are um Apartments so all eight facades are front facades there is no back facade we try to be as sensitive to our neighbors as possible um and if you look at our site obviously we've got three streets which we need to be sensitive to um and we even got some comments as to you know you can turn your back to the UN building um but once you drive the site you notice that as you come down us one that's probably one of the most prominent facades because the the UN building is Ste back to the point where that entire facade is visible as you're traveling Northbound on us one so that was sort of the biggest stroke in our design was how do we enclose this parking how do we turn our best PA forward and how do we create a building that has um all facades um one of the other things that we tried to do is create this public space that Eric began to talk about and it is basically as you know in the code we need to provide a 20 foot uh poo from one street to the other so we we basically go through our street through our property east to west and what we've done is increase that space to as much as 60 feet so three times the requirement to try and get a true public space there to try to get a a space where we can open up restaurants we can open up our lobbies and and we could have activity in that space and connect the neighborhood to whatever Services we're going to use on on US1 um so that was a huge feature which also created uh some issues in our building but that we were able to overcome um we do push up to the setback um on manosa and on the um side but you know nobody's going to use that space on the um side between us and um and that space is obviously much better used within our poo and um lastly I think you'll hear a little bit about step backs and setbacks um and this is one of the things that we learned about the Mediterranean buildings that we looked at and if you look at the buil more let's say you've got six story eight story 12 stories 15 story components but they are all true to themselves they all come down to the ground they all address the street and they come up vertically they don't step back as I said before that became very that became a very important part of our code when we started to see these buildings that have the layer of parking that is so imposing it really doesn't allow itself for a true Mediterranean building which is you know more European field building where the entire facade is and it sits on the street and creates that fabric for the street and that is what we're trying to create here so I hope that you see that and I make myself available for any questions you may have so thank you very much thank you thank you Javier um well while he was speaking I was showing these let me just go back to the last one I wanted to explain something so this is a view from U actually the vill Capri condominium that's behind um I wanted to show you that um obviously the the tree cover that's there and it is hiding the building so we did do a rendering that doesn't include the tree so I just wanted you to see that so we can get a good idea in terms of what the building looks like against the street so proceeding onward and again as harier talked about architectural de detailing so let me go into mobility and transportation improvements that's one of the things that was very very important to us from the start um obviously given the fact that we're across the street from the Metro Rail a regional transit system that has access to literally anywhere in the state so um just let me talk about some of the improvements that you know promote Mobility so obviously we have ground floor loes protection from the elements we have a 10 to 30t clear path or pedestrian sidewalk on all four four sides of the building and actually the frontage on US1 has a 20 to 30ft sidewalk which is unheard of of anywhere actually you won't find that anywhere on on US1 um bicycle storage is very important to us so um ground floor has shortterm parking there's numerous bicycle racks um total of 136 bicycle um spaces throughout the entire development um in terms of vehicle access to the property um we're going to use the existing US1 driveway um then creating two new driveways on the madruga Avenue side um one thing that we're doing is eliminating the two existing U Marosa Court uh driveways which um here's a photograph of where they are located um and this is the US1 access point so just by removing that we're removing an unsafe you know vehicular turning movements because as we know um when people waiting to and to get the traffic queue out of the the intersection of US1 um we're also eliminating pedestrian conflicts for those individuals that obviously are going to the uh uh pedestrian bridge so in terms of the out Outreach that we we we've done input um what I call conversations um we've went with you know all the multif Family Properties behind um neighborhood uh residents um interested parties um and as a part of that whole process um it was a really good process and I um I can tell you it started in June 2023 um as a part of that I think we have a better project here that collaborative effort really worked on behalf of of the project so I'd like to go through some of the improvements that um you know we're from the neighborhood as well as from the team as well as from City staff as well so just um just showing you this a pedestrian path bicycle pathway just showing you kind of the locations of the bicycle racks strategically located obviously in places where they'll actually hopefully be used um so one of the things that we're doing is we're creating what I'm going to call a Mobility Boulevard it's a 10t wide Mobility Boulevard this is in addition to the 8ft sidewalk that we have into our building so it's essentially it's 18 ft of pedestrian pathway from madruga Avenue all the way up to basically the pedestrian bridge um the idea is obviously to provide safe direct Ada accessible you know connection bicycles inline skaters wheelchair users joggers scooters you know to the pedestrian bridge easy access to the underline when it's finished um and again to the regional you know the regional metro rail system so so I want to show you um it's kind of difficult to see because unfortunately the header from the the city is blocking um the mobility starts right on this corner I don't know if they can remove the header oh thank you so this this is basically the mobility Boulevard it starts right here and it goes right along the property Edge and then obviously ends right in front of the uh pedestrian bridge and then you can see the additional the 8ft sidewalk is not working too well right down that point so we have 18 ft essentially so this is a section view of it um to orient you this is madruga and then obviously this the mar Marista Court um the beginning here and then this is the side of the building and then the Terminus is back and forth to the pedestrian bridge and you can kind of see the profile um a very wide planting strip this thing's not working at all um and again the 10-- foot um wide Mobility Boulevard um then in the opposite direction as well one of the other things in terms of additional connections um there's actually not a sidewalk this is the corner of Mariposa court and madruga so we're going to install a sidewalk excuse me a crosswalk um and this is a plan in in forms we're going to also include a sidewalk adjacent to the Villa Capri um condominium to again make a the connection to the Mobility Boulevard for pedestrians and then I'll talk about cheros in a little bit these are just some views of what's there right now there's essentially nothing if you want to walk you're walking in the street so in terms of the neighborhood connections one of the things that we're profer is um sharrow or sh shared Lane markings um and what I have here is the actual Coral Gables bike uh bicycle master plan is the underlay so our proposal is to basically fulfill or fill in part of the master plan so start on us one and follow you see this large Dash green line all to Manata Manata all the way up to uh US1 and then this little connection um adjacent to the V Capri um so it's Our intention to um include the pavement markings and whatnot to uh install a Shero so what I did to kind of get an idea of the three things I just went over um created this little master plan here that kind of shows you all the improvements again the Sher down this direction again the mobility Boulevard and then The Pedestrian connection with the project being right here so the idea is to provide connections from the neighborhood safe convenient connection to the metro rail which hopefully people will use so in in terms of that the new Mobility Boulevard the crosswalk um the First to Last Mile it's basically the improvements will greatly enhance the ability um to basic basally go from your home or point of origin to your destination um it's kind of interesting um if you look at the numbers like 25 25% of the riders that ride Metro Rail um have to ride it for a reason um which I thought when I found out that number I thought it was relatively low I thought it was more I was kind of surprised at that number so hopefully if this project is approved that number will increase so one of the other things that came out um from a lot the neighborhood meetings and I I think this is a great idea from an urban planner standpoint um it's a an issue that we have to Grapple with Citywide um I don't care how you whatever you provide Amazon and FedEx are going to stop wherever they want they stop and they're going to drop a package off um we have internally we're going to have hopefully everybody will be dropping off their packages internally but one of the things that um this was a concern that was brought up by the neighbors because madruga only 30t rway it's not 60t it's not your typical 60t rway it's a substandard RightWay so one of the things that we created was um we're going to repurpose the existing three spaces on the street and create a ride share small commercial vehicle loading in a loading area It's actually an 8X 98 ft area um and it's going to be next to our lobby um convenient for hopefully that FedEx truck and that Amazon truck and then if you're going to ride Uber oryt um have that ability to get off the street and and I we think that's a a real bonus for um obviously the users as well as as well as a project so what I did is just a a quick plan um so this is the this is the project right here the mark and then you see the mobility Boulevard and then The 8ft Pedestrian pass this is the area right now where the three spaces are so essentially this area would be reconfigured into a management um basically program to um have this the ability for these these folks to hopefully like I said get off the street and this is an actual view um adjacent to the former Fridays where the spaces are another thing that um we heard from the neighbors is it's very difficult um to walk down madruga Avenue behind the UN building there's not a sidewalk it's just Paving from the street Edge all way essentially up to the property line of um so one of the things that we're going to do is install a sidewalk and some um landscaping and um some basically reflective rumble strips so we'll have a dedicated area for pedestrians to walk so they don't have to walk in the street um we think that's a that's a real real Plus in terms of providing a clearly delineated um safe pedestrian path um there are some challenges because there are a number of utilities back there um so you know there will be some challenges but we've committed to put in that sidewalk and this just gives you an idea um in terms of plan view these are the rumble strips and this just gives you an idea of what what the area looks like right now it's not not very attractive so we're going to actually connect to the th thesis project um so it'll be the same type of uh improvements um on our project in the connection through to the thesis traffic calming so again we heard a lot of concern learns from The Neighbors about the impacts of um vehicle speed so one of the things that we're profer is the installation of a speed table on muga Avenue there's actually one there but I think it's probably been there like 30 years um and it's not really up to the standard the typical standard of a speed table um and again the new sidewalk I indicated the crosswalk and then City staff Public Works has asked us for a speed cushion they also asked us to reduce some of the remove some of the asphalt and reduce the travel Lanes which hopefully then will also slow down traffic so we've all also agreed to that as well so open space um we talked about the Poo so the Poo that's going through the middle of the project is 043 acres in size um that's that's a large P that's um this room is about 40t wide so it give me an idea um add another 20 ft to that um 56 ft long 326 ft um in length again it's open to the sky between the two buildings um the pad requires 20% open space with a Pao and all the improvements we're going to have about 27% open space um this is just a illustration of the ground floor landscaping and in terms of the amenities um numerous benches obviously receptical bike racks um the mobility Boulevard one of the things that we also thought was very important um we're creating a dog friendly site as well so we're going to have dog amenities dog Fountain um we thought that really important um because obviously every you know everybody has a dog so um in terms of there's also a water feature um and then as I indicated the the ride share um is on this side as well um on the fifth floor there's amenity decks um as Javier indicated you know two three and floor are parking fifth floor is the mini deck and then on the top floor this is your US1 um we located the pool facing US1 there are no no no um rooftop anything on the rear except for the residential um we're very cognizant of the fact that we didn't want to impact the adjacent multi residential so the pool and this is just like a kind of a a grassy area for outdoor exercise um in terms of streetscape sections I'm not going to get into a lot of detail it's a typical Street section we meet the code requirements in terms of the Landscaping um in terms of the height and the amount um treatments you know benches receptacles again I'm not going to spend a lot of time on that um one of the things that we did with a poo is we created what we we going to call four different zones so as you go from us one back to the residential it becomes from an urban more urban area to a more heavily landscaped area so Zone one is essentially right next to us one what we're calling an urban Courtyard two is Hospitality Courtyard which is next to the restaurants amenity Garden which is essentially it's in the middle and then um zone four is next to the liver work units which are on both of these sides this just gives you an idea of some of the character imagery and then these are some renderings um this is a us one view um as you can see um I think Javier mentioned there's a a pedestrian bridge that crosses on the fifth floor this is a view of that again this is all open to the sky this is a a rendering just from the the ground level and you can again see the bridge in the background there this is in zone two kind of viewing in towards the center uh of the area of the Poo again zone two um as you can see the overhead Bridge there again open to the sky this is actually in the center Zone 3 um basically where the lobby area is and then zone four excuse me Center Center still the center of poo and then this is a view of the madruga Avenue side um to the center of the Poo as you can see it's much more heavily landscape and you saw on the US one side and this is actually a view from actually on muga Avenue into the into the spacer Zone 4 and just another view and kind of an a heading down view so again it's open to the sky as you can see the amount of um Landscaping overstory Landscaping significant amounts so in terms of the application reest I'm going to go through this really fast um comp plan Amendment small scale um zoning code Amendment text Amendment man pad conditional use site plan um change in zoning request we're asking for commercial low rise from commercial lowrise intensity to um midrise intensity which is from 50 ft um to 77 within the two floors of Mediterranean bonus with a mid-rise intensity our desire is to get 97 ft with a two floor Med bonus um with a total of eight floors so I did a thorough analysis which is in your packet um it's about 16 or 18 pages of analysis of the complant I'm not going to go into this DET detail on this but um the findings are that we meet numerous goals and objectives um um with the design in terms of the housing and Mobility Recreation and open space um zoning map Amendment the request is for mxd 1 to two um which is 45 ft to 77 ft for the mx1 um our proposal is to go to MX2 again 978 floors and just kind of in context um this is the property right here this is the um building and then this is the thesis project which is um zoned MX3 and again just a little blow up um again this is the the project here US1 mx1 zoning and then the multif family condominiums or mf3 to the rear this gives you an idea in terms of height comparison um to the um building um building is about 150 ft um so obviously it's about 53 ft more in height than what we're requesting um and this gives you a little bit of idea of what the mxd1 line would be right there and then the same thing down here on the bottom and then on this side you can see there the thesis the thesis project as well zoning map Amendment again um we feel it's consistent satisfies the intent um in purpose and everything that's applicable we feel that we've satisfied or are consistent and not exceed the requirements um finding a fact um one thing I would note that um is in the zoning code is the mxd district which allows the highest intensity development um is is this is verba from the code is located in City's downtown area along North ponds B Way South Dixie and Route One the zoning code of Coral Gable says the most appropriate use on US1 is mxd3 so we are requesting mxd 2 so we're not going to basically what the zoning code intends for that area again just a comparison um zoning map you know findings the fact um you know we're not asking for any density bonuses um 125 units an acre which is permitted um adequate infrastructure um and I'll talk a little bit about the traffic I know the city's um traffic Consultants here but I'll talk a little bit about that later um zoning code text Amendment um site specific standards need to be updated because um they've been there since like the 1930s or 40s the idea was that whenever a project comes through they would be updated on a case-by Case basis obviously to meet the the the needs of whatever the proposal is before you all so the abandon of the alley um there's this alley that is essentially on this one corner this is Mariposa court right here it's 125 by 45 ft it's not an alley it's basically it's almost like a small parcel um it doesn't really even align with the remainder of the block that was abandoned years ago in the 1930s and 40s it's what I would call a Remnant um it's been there best we can see since 1950 there's no through access um it doesn't attach to anything it's it's literally parking spaces and Landscape Island within the uh within the parking lot so the pad application the reason we filed the only reason we filed the pad application be quite honest with you is we needed um some variations in the step backs on the building um there some penetration between 2 to 5 ft um that was actually approved as a part of the board of Architects review and approval pad we feel it satisfies obviously we're only asking for the step back issue um conditional use um mixed use site plan again eight floors 393 units liver work requires a conditional use as well um pursuant to your code so that's what the request is for so in terms of the analysis we feel it complies and advances um the zoning code requirements and again I'm not to not going to get into this um um in terms again it satisfies 120 25 dwelling units per acre um and then the city's um traffic consultant one of the notations is most of the intersectors will be able to maintain similar traffic conditions in reference to Baseline conditions as a result the proposed Redevelopment of the Mark is not expected to have a negative impact on the surrounding Road Network so I'm just going to go briefly into really really fast um the way I think you all understand understand the city hires the traffic consultant to complete the traffic analysis and the um um the developer or the applicant pays for it um as a part of that process um which began like in um I want to say October um as I told you we started Outreach in June of 2023 one of the things that we heard from the neighbors is obviously they feel that you know the project will have additional traffic impacts um questions arose in terms of pedestrian vehicle cont so in response to that and hearing from the neighbors we increased the Tia or the traffic impact study area to include some an additional intersection we also asked for ped counts we also asked for pedestrian vehicle uh conflicts and we asked them the examine crash data um and vehicle vehicular crash data analysis all that stuff was included in the scope of work again this is beyond the typical requirements of the Tia so the the five intersections that we looked into um are listed here and the additional one um was basically an additional intersection further back into the neighborhood okay all right battery is not working now you go to the next slide okay thank you um yeah that's good um so in terms of the traffic study I'm not going to go through this but basically it's a typical um information they look at um geometric conditions impact on the area they look at traffic growth of committed developments developments that are already approved um they do micro simulation of you know am and Peak um travel Peak periods um and then they come up with recommendations for uh to mitigate the possible impacts um now it's working again um hold on a second skip one thing here so one of the slide one me skip this slide one of the things I wanted to mention is that when the traffic consultant did at this sort of city they took the most conservative scenario trip forecast Generations right I want I want to make sure that's clear um because we heard from a lot of the neighbors that you know we didn't take the most conservative the traffic City's traffic cons didn't take the most conservative approach they did take the most conservative approach so just kind of highlight some of the findings um the city's traffic consultant that will have a nominal the project will have a nominal increase in traffic demands and delays the analysis showed that during future conditions most of the intersections will be able to operate within an acceptable level of service or maintain similar conditions also signal retiming was one of the things that was suggested as a mitigate or is a as a recommendation we've agreed to do that um obviously signal timing can't be done if the project is approved it can't be done until after the project is done but we have certainly agreed to do that so just kind of in conclusion based upon the findings of the traffic study um the proposed Redevelopment of the Mark is concluded that most of the intersections will be able to maintain similar conditions in reference to Baseline conditions and the proposed Redevelopment Mark is not expected to have a negative impact on the surrounding roadway Network after implementing the recommendations provided in the report so let me just go through Board of Architects we went to board of Architects three times we took um there's an opportunity to do the conceptual Board of architect review um we we took that opportunity it was great got some great input um they they were actually very um supported they said the project was well organized from a land land planning standpoint um they complemented um the architect on the design the internalization the support services everything inside so we went back about a month or two later um with that input um actually the first meeting they gave us the development bonuses for the two floors and they actually were going to approve of that me that meeting but they asked for some additional detailing so we just came back one more time um just to and again this happened in um August September October November um and a lot of the design and some of the additional fenestration I was asked for um was put in there at a request of the neighbor so I just want to make sure that this was a total collaborative process throughout the design as well as the land planning process so public Outreach um we started public Outreach in June of 2023 um I I had a lot of one-on-one meetings with neighbors um we had a lot of smaller larger group meetings I actually did walk around with the residents um we actually in in this in January offered an additional HOA meeting we met with a Villa Capri um homeowners association um we met with interested neighbors we met with Royal Caribbean um which is the condominium to the north um of of the intersection um we did the required City U meeting we had about 30 about 50 people attend um we felt that we didn't give enough opportunity you it was only an hour or two so we held a second meeting so those folks could come back and again provide us their input um they participated neighbors participated in the process throughout um the bo Board of Architects at DRC we actually went to the traffic advisory board as well as a courtesy um to present the project um I can tell you I personally have given everyone the traffic impact uh report the um the applications the plans anybody that wanted to I I gave them full copies um and we did that throughout the entire process um and the notification was a typical 15500 ft um and as a part of this process I mean the conversations we had um again I call them conversations I think it resulted in in a much higher quality project um I think the design um the input we receiv from the neighborh came you know we had a better design and I think the six things that I mentioned in terms of Mobility um those were a result again of the neighbors um the city staff and as well as the team that's the end of my presentation thank you Eric thanks La um I just want to uh make sure you're aware we have reviewed staff's um quite extensive report along with all the conditions contained therein and the clarifications to those conditions that uh you reive this evening and want to let you know that we accept them we perfectly okay with them and on behalf of LCD Acquisitions we respectfully request the approval of this project at the Mark we are more than happy to answer questions and Mr chairman I respectfully request rebuttal in the event it's needed thank you thank you Jennifer good evening Jennifer Garcia city planner had a PowerPoint please you go thank you all right so today we are reviewing uh three sorry six requests uh comprehensive plan map Amendment Zing map Amendment as they're both related to to um the height uh zoning code text Amendment the vacation of the alley uh had as a nation and conditional use so as we are um after thorough presentation by the applicant um I think we know exactly where we are uh we are South um southeast of of US1 uh between um Mariposa and and madruga so you can see it's kind of the the last piece of that long track a and then here is the context as you know it's across uh us one from University University of Miami um University Station Metro station um it's right next to Gable's one uh Tower um it's across the street also from the underlying um the pedestrian bridge um and then kind of ab budding close to some condominiums in the rear so the current future land use the nation is commercial lowrise intensity and the zon is mx1 so these are some shots of the existing conditions the top picture is showing um looking at from US1 to the property the bottom picture is showing that pedestrian bridge that goes over us one the top picture here is actually showing um The View looking from manipula Court into the property and if you look at that um that U um bump out right there landscape bump out that's actually part of the alley that we didn't know about until a few months ago um so we'll talk about that in a second and then the bsta court um meeting madruga Avenue is the bottom picture so again the requests there are six requests I'll go through each of those so the first request is a change of land use from um commercial lowrise intensity to commercial midrise intensity so you can see that the the reddish color gets darker and the zoning code M amendment is changing the zoning from mx1 to MX2 this is really just about the height the the density and F say the same it's really about two additional stories more 20 ft um so the this is a masing is showing the existing um potential development so the property is there outlined in the black uh do- dash line and that's on the left side I can show this yeah this is the property right now the land use is lowrise there and the zoning is mx1 it's next to the City Bank which is that would be the potential of that property and also next to the a gaes one Tower this white box that's poking out is showing beyond what they're allowed to have right now if they would redevelop so they're proposing to change land use to midrise intensity which you show here on the right side this is the development potential it's not what they're proposing this is just a massing uh diagram also next to the City Bank existing and here is the Gable's one Tower and the third request is only text mment to the site specifics of their property to remove themselves from the height and F limitations and also to clean up the setbacks as us one now has a mandatory setback of 20 ft and this is the vacation of the alley so the alley if you look here this is US1 this is MIP Pulsa and there's little remnant of an alley that was left after a couple of uh repats in the area you can see that there and then the fifth request is a planned area development or a pad as a nation so part of this request as they mentioned is to uh have relief on some of the step backs that they're encroaching into on the corners of the building and the reason behind that is we to create a more architecturally pleasing um massing right so part of that request is to um provide some public benefits to the neighborhood so what they're providing as as today um is the Pasto that you can see here in the middle you know exactly where that is right now um they're also providing sidewalks from their property to connect to the thesis pro project the P project um speed cushions and um redoing the intersection here at um mipa and Hardy um a bike Boulevard markings connecting um us one where it meets um Gayo all the way through manipula and over here where us one meets um um madria not madria man manada thank you thank you there's a lot of M thank you and so also as he's talked about there's a sidewalk extension on the North East U um side of um the V Capri block and that um Mobility Boulevard so this is probably very hard and difficult to read but yet some years p packet um their existing lot private property is about 32,000 ft they're requesting to vacate that our main dead in alley which is about 5600 ft so total of their building side is 137 997 Square ft or a little over 3 acres so they are changing proposing to change the zoning to mx1 the land use designation from lowrise to midrise their total f is actually under what they could have which is at 3.13 three uh F and if they're allowed to change the land use and Zoning their maximum height would no longer be at six stories it would be at eight stories they no longer at 77 ft but at 97 ft so again the two the difference of 20 ft they're proposing to um be just under their vincinity maximum at 393 units uh ground floor uses at eight a little over 8% which is the the minimum amount required for mixed use and parking a little over 700 spaces an open space um about 26 27% uh when they're required to have 20% so and lastly this is the mixed use site plan this required for any property that's greater than 20,000 square fet and they're also proposing to have live work units which also requires the conditional use review so just to remind you everything is on the site plan you have your US1 uh parking erress and agress right here you have the setback on US1 with the um the restaurant and retail uses you have commercial Flex space here on Mariposa along with the cycle track Mobility uh Boulevard you have the ride share delivery area right here and you have two other um egress and Ingress into the parking garage off of uh M so your see reviewed this uh product twice actually first June of last year and then again November November was just to review the alley that we pointed out in June um The Alley Remnant that's still there as far as the plat uh the board of Architects reviewed this in uh three times and gave approval in November they had two neighborhood meetings that were required by code that they reached out for, 1500 ft and that was in January and February of this year and here we are tonight for planning zoning they'll be required to go to City commission for first and second reading again this is the map that shows um all the properties within, 1500 ft which is required whenever you're changing the land use and that that was sent out three times for both neighborhood meetings and planning and zoning tonight's meeting the property was posted four times um for DRC twice Board of Architects in tonight's meeting website was posted four times as well and tonight's meeting was advertised with the newspaper so staff determined that this application is consistent with the comp plan uh goals objective policy that relates to mixed used buildings providing housing uh next to Metro Rail and Transit and you can see that recommendation you can see those um finds of facts in your staff report staff recommends approval with conditions and those conditions are also in your staff report at the very end these are highlights of those conditions of approval so the traffic calming would include a crosswalk and manip Pulsa court and madruga Avenue and a speed cushion as approved by the uh city of cor Gables and County um um traffic calming plan at Hardy and madruga um intersection uh improvements and reduction of asphalt make a safer intersection at Hardy and Mula and then the bike Boulevard uh pavement markings along money Pulsa other condition um would include the widening of the sidewalk sorry a creation of a new sidewalk a wide and uh or a multi-use path along a southide mulsa between madruga and um mulsa Avenue um coordination with the county um and po Works obviously for the S retiming of man Sub Court in US1 as recommended by traffic impact study um Construction St would maintain sidewalks open all on us one and also on MIP Pulsa Court um required Enhance Landscape requirements to exceed the zoning code that basically means to plant larger trees would normally be required by zoning code the external illumination or line of the building would be limited just the ground floor and the rooftop there wouldn't be any extra up lighting for example and uh vehicle delivery would be limited within the building or along the designated area along mulsa court so they would also the applicant would also Supply um no parking and no vehicle delivery and drop off uh signage or pay markings on those two side streets and then we would require an annual traffic margin for 3 years after the building is up and running to make sure that it's complying with what was expected to um produce during the traffic impact set that's it thank you thank you um Jill how many speakers do we have and on Zoom signed up in in the chambers and we have three on Zoom has everybody that's going to be speaking been sworn in I think there were some people there are some people that are that need to be sworn in can the people who have not been sworn in that are going to be speaking please stand up if you've already been sworn in you can sit down who I'm sorry the people that have already been sworn in don't need to stand up only the people that have not thank you a minute bre you like take a five minute break before we get into this ver all right let's go ahead and take a a quick five minute break please thank you be a long one recording stopped I for [Music] [Music] e [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] e [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] oh which one lot of all bull alligator 10 foot he just stood up on the to and I'm in a canoe and I'm oh we're going to go ahead and resume if everybody can please take their seats thank you thank you they accept the line all right my understanding is that some more people signed up to speak uh there were eight now 's uh 11 the two last people that stood up that signed up to speak can you please stand up to be sworn in thank you three thank you thank you very much all right um we have 11 speakers that are in Chambers and we have how many how many speakers on on Zoom great what I'm going to do is because of the time and so forth I'm going to ask everybody to please keep everything concise if somebody has already echoed your sentiments you can continue on that or just say as somebody has stated I'm going to instead of saying I'm going to limit everybody to three minutes I'd like to give everybody opportunity to speak but please if you can make it brief it would be greatly appreciated uh please call the first person Betty Mortenson hello folks my name is Betty mortensson I live on 1218 Adana if lived speaking to the microphone I have lived at 1218 aduana since 1980s thank you I've raised my kids there and I'm also a practicing physician and I say that for the following reason uh we were told in many of these meetings and I went to almost every one of them that there was no way that they could eliminate the parking 750 extra cars there's a bill SB 328 which was passed in um February of 28 uh of this year that says that for this type of project it eliminates the need for parking within a uh Transit oriented uh development which obviously the Metro is so we don't need those 750 cars the reason I mentioned that is the following I am a practicing physician I deal in emergencies I'm an anesthesiologist people die when those extra couple of minutes that don't mean anything are are holding me up they were we were told that even though 95% of the people in South Gables did not want the thesis because of the traffic we would not have traffic problems I can tell you that is not true my time to go to work and if I have an emergency God forbid it maybe one of you any of you could make a life and death difference I'm saying this because they have all their fancy papers and all their fancy things beautiful project 750 unnecessary cars I want to bring that out the bill is SB 328 the other thing I want to make mention of is the following we don't need to give away an alley we all pay taxes we all work hard for a living I don't want to give anything away what are they giving away uh speaking of giving away as part of this residential mix requirement uh it will be uh cities will be required to give tax exemptions to the newly built complex and units serving quote lowincome uh residents let me tell you what the loophole is the loophole is called the student loophole most student rent is paid by either parents scholarships financial aid student loans or any of those things none of those are considered income therefore they can rent to as many students as they want and not and be part of these tax breaks so we're about to lose money into the coffers of City of Coral Gables oh the most important thing is none of these uh apartments are required to give rent breaks to the students by law so the cities all have to give breaks but we don't but they don't have to give breaks they're lining their pockets they're going back to Georgia and laughing all the way home in Gainesville 75% reduction ction in Revenue to the city has caused a major problem to their budget just think of what 75% reduction in money coming into the city's coffers are going to mean to the Coral Gables bottom line our services the reason we moved and the reason we're in Coral Gables is because we like to have we don't like to have we need good police fire rescue uh Emergency Services all those are going going to be decreased because our budgets are going to have to be decreased right now we have vacancies in our Police Department because we are not competitive we move to Coral Gables because of police fire rescue and all the other services who's going to pay for it they're not they're going to be getting tax incenses tax breaks we're going to be paying for it our lives are going to be uh messed up and be very clear I'm not the only physician in that area if you look at this all these people are going to be impacted there's a lot of emergency people when you're having a heart attack when you're having uh an accident an appendix one of us may not be able to get there because of their negligible uh traffic is is stopping this think about it two things you need to think about 750 unnecessary parking spaces and a drop in budget because of all the tax incentives that they're going to be getting because of this mix uh residential project thank you ma'am Jim Berlin and by the way I was at all those meetings and it was most contentious people were not happy specifically with the traffic which we don't have to have because of SB 328 thank [Music] you good evening gentlemen and Su I've been in the gables for over 50 years can you state your name and address please for the record 737 tiabo and your name please James Berlin jiml thank you sir I live below Sunset I use the shopping center which they're talking about probably once every other week either CVS or the Baptist Health Facilities or the or the Bagel Emporium or the UPS store so I I I've seen what happens with traffic the time of day we talked about the thesis and the traffic so my main concern is a traffic study they mentioned the word conservative I don't know what that means that means that they did it under conditions when it was on a holiday weekend or does that mean they did it when it was Prime with traffic but it's unconcerned she mentioned the parking spaces that's not the parking spaces that bothers me just the cars in them and they're going in and out on Mariposa and around on Hardy near my area second concern I have is I'd like to know what the um representation in this building is what is their strategic master plan for dorms I'm not I don't know whether they have an endorsement they they built the standard first for housing rentals and now they're building this I'd like to know is there any endorsement from the University to support this building and and how they see it thank you thank you Maria Cruz I guess it's still good afternoon the sun is still out Maria Cruz Mrs Maria Cruz 1447 Miller Road living in the same house since 1976 seeing a lot of changes around here from a nice little city that everybody loved to becoming another Brickle I'm here to let you know that we're not against development I think development is good but when people buy property they know what they can build as of right they know what fits there when I bought my house I knew I couldn't have three more floors if I wanted to build up I couldn't do it when I bought my house I know that Miller Road rides in front of my house and that I would have traffic there but I did not expect the amount of traffic we have today and these people that Liv there certainly did not expect to have a wall and pretty soon um I love it when they oh the this is this and the this is that yeah now pretty soon we're going to have a wall of buildings from 57th Avenue all the way to us one because Miami is doing the same so these people that bought their nice houses thinking that they were going to live in a residential neighborhood now they have a wall behind them is wrong I took the time by the way I'm talking fast cuz I rushed here to be here this is the big issue traffic of course this is the big issue developers buy property they know what is Zone they know what they can build oh no because we can come here and ask for six six changes why do we need a zoning code why do we need a map why do we need anything put a sign that says called G is for sale whatever you want you can get well I hate to tell you all you can decide whatever you want today but the people of this city have spoken and you have a commission that is not pro developer anymore because the people went out and voted and said no more over development and elections have consequences and much to the unhappiness of some people even sitting here guess what it's going to happen again I'm knocking on doors and every door that I've talked to people that said we need to put a stop to this we cannot have the developers come here and buy property and develop whatever they want and guess what I would love to have a nicer front lawn can I get half of Miller Road I would love to move the sidewalk a little that way take a part of Miller Road I can't but we can get the alley what do we pay for the alley it belongs to us it doesn't belong to anybody else but the residents of this city it costs money that alley if they were to buy that amount of property that amount of land they would have to pay for it darn it if they want it pay for it it's not free we don't get anything for free when I moved to corl GES I had this I didn't have to worry about the s the city came the city took care of it now we have to pay for that pretty soon we're going to have to pay for you the use of the roads because other people are getting free stuff I am very pleased with what the doctor said you all are giving away our way of life you all are making the city unlivable this is wrong listen put your ear to the to the people listen knock on a few doors don't worry about the important people The Establishment that think everything is good and done in city of it is not people are very unhappy stop selling our city that land the developers bought it perfect build what you have as a right nobody told you that you're going to get a comprehensive plan Amendment nobody told you that you're going to get a change of land use nobody told you that you're going to get a change of zoning nobody told you you're going to get a zoning code Amendment or an Alle vacation on a p or a conditional use no you bought it the way it is build what you can build respect the neighborhood enough is enough listen to the people no more thank you I'm going to ask if everybody can just hold their Applause we would appreciate it thank you next speaker please Denise carvalo and after her will be Roger kogan hi my name is Denise carvalo I live in cabalo Boulevard uh less than a th000 ft from can you state your address for the record please 6308 cabalo Boulevard and I live less than 10 a th000 feet from The Mark I never received the an invitation for the meetings up until one day a neighbor of mine came to my house and L a paper saying that they were going to meet the The Neighbors at uh the Women's Club so I went there it was already like the 10th round of meetings and I'm around the area that is going to be very much affected and since then I started going to the meetings I I went to two meetings with the developers we are not happy with this project at all uh as Maria said they should build what they're allowed to build why are we going to give them more we have no our traffic is already super complicated uh I I'm very upset that they are asking that and you guys are you can you are you are allowed to give them an alley extra two floors and extra lots of people our little Southgate neighborhood comprises approximately 3,000 people if you don't count the the hotel tases and this is going to add a thousand more people to our little neighborhood so 25% extra people 700 cars so then I went to read the the the traffic study I couldn't find the full traffic study online on Carl gios uh website I had to go talk to Miss Melissa Castro and she made a copy on a on a pen drive for me and that's how I was able to read the full traffic uh study and the the traffic study is ridiculous I have to tell you that I couldn't believe my eyes when I read it it it treats us as we are stupid people and we are not stupid people I read the traffic study full and I made notes for about all the issues that are not right and I sent to all the Commissioners so all your you work for the Commissioners you are appointed by the Commissioners we vote for the Commissioners and mayor and vice mayor and they appoint you guys so you all probably have my notes you should at least but my notes I say uh doing construction the trucks cannot pass through uh Mariposa court and and then uh through the other the Little Alley underneath uh uh that that goes behind so the trucks are going through cabalero Boulevard when they go through cabalero Boulevard they have to go through Mariposa and this way that they they do they're going to pass through through JC Park it's a children's park of our neighborhood lots of trucks during construction passing by it's not fair to our children we pay a lot of taxes for that um they say that uh the level of of of of traffic is already not good during the am and P AM and PM PE hours on cabaler Boulevard but after doing all this construction with 700 new cars in the neighborhood the level of service is going to remain good that's the conclusion the conclusion is ridiculous cult is here I can talk to them I have all my notes here it's really really bad I want as a as a neighbor as a person that lives for 8 years in Coro Gables I would like you guys to ask request a new traffic study a realistic traffic study they compare apples to oranges in the traffic study they compare uh the the project uh in a way that it doesn't make a lot of of of like the students they don't leave with the cars they they never use their cars they're going to have 700 parking spaces and 70 only 70 bike uh parking spaces that you guys had now so like a thousand students with 70 70 parking space for their bikes and 700 parking spaces for their cars so the those students for in the in the traffic study they're not going to use their cars and the the traffic by per se if they don't do anything the traffic will rise a lot so In the comparison it's better to Pro to to make the the the the new building and we are going to have less traffic or the same traffic as if we don't do it so all the conclusions are wrong I have all the items here I I read and I commented each of it all the all the commission commers have this the mayor the vice mayor I'm ready to talk about that but my request for you guys is not let this project pass without a real real uh traffic study we need to know what's going to happen we need to have um um ideas of how to mitigate we don't need eight floors we can do four floors the Mediterranean uh bonus for us I don't care if it's going to look Mediterranean or not I care if my neighborhood is livable this is much more important for me than like having beautiful Mediterranean ways of I I don't care about that so uh I want a new traffic study I want you guys to be responsible with the people that live around here we have people that have Toge to their to their to their jobs I we have do s and and people that really need to be at their jobs uh fast we have people that leave and pay a lot of money as taxes here so we need the city to still be livable and I believe that this project one of one of the entrances is through us one the other one is through the little alley uh that they they it's it's they should all enter and go out through us one and they they they should have less cars they should have less height and less density they are still going to make a lot of money believe me I did the math they're going to to earn a lot of money anyway if they do half of the what they're planning they're still going to be very profitable so don't worry about being profitable I want them to be profitable but they don't need all that they don't need to ruin our neighborhood for that thank you thank you Jill kogan Jill just a question there are emails that you provided to all the members of the board yes you sent it to us by email and you also left them for us here that's correct those are being entered into the record yes they will be entered into the record thank you good evening my name is Roger kogan I live at 1127 manate Avenue and uh I'm going to try to keep this as short as possible and on one point in particular everybody's talked about the traffic impact and uh I have to say the study that the developers presented to you for traffic patterns is incorrect uh I my parents bought that property at 1127 manate in 1955 I uh grew up there went to West lab ponan Junior High Riviera day school and Carl Gable senior high I can tell you how traffic has deteriorated over the last 20 years um give you an example in the evening a lot of families now live in young families live in our area and they take their kids to JC Park nobody nobody walks on Hardy Road if they're Crossing from south of manada on W East Hardy they cross at The Pedestrian Crossing and they take a left walk to my street and head up to the park they will not walk on Hardy Road because the traffic density and people speeding on it so I'm just want to let you know that this is going to impact all our streets totally also on Mariposa Avenue in front of the Villa Capri there is no sidewalks a lot of young family I a lot of young people I mean uh young parents I mean parents of young children strollers bicycles children's bicycles are in the street there is nowhere for them to go if people are speeding down Mariposa they are going to get hit I have been hit I ride my bike in the afternoon around my neighborhood I've been hit and run off the road many times not on mayada or cabalero but on Riviera on alhamra on Granada and on Hardy Road I do not ride to the Chinese village anymore I stopped because the traffic circles at uh Granada and Riviera are too dangerous people blow right through there rush hour traffic in the morning and in the evening you're going to have accidents guaranteed the I'm not against development but the density is too much because there's going to be more development because there's the university in and you can't no matter how nice this project is you can't just keep it as a set aside the Mark only you have to take the mark Gable's towers and the thesis and whatever goes in at the old University in you're going to have you I don't even bother going down cabalero to US1 to try to make a turn going south on the Dixie Highway I'll be waiting there all day on uh M excuse me on Mariposa Court the same thing if you want to go make a Sou on the Dixie Highway forget about it if only place you can go if you want to make a a turn going south on Dixie Highway is to mayada and uh austo that's it and even there you have problems with limited space available for people in the morning and in the evening you can't go into that intersection that five-way intersection you have to back up on mayada going Southward so I'm just letting you know it's already been talked about uh uh there's a lot of issues here about traffic their study is incorrect like I said I've been living in this property for 64 years I can tell you what the traffic used to be like and what it is now thank you very oh one final thing at JC Park because a lot of people are going into the thesis deliveries Uber Eats they Park in those spots on Hardy Road so what happens is PE also people who go to the thesis and eat at the restaurants Park there they're not supposed to the city used to give out tickets they don't do it anymore so parents who want to take their kids to the park park in the eastbound Lane of Hardy blocking traffic uh and they Park in the no parking Zone across the street or there's signs parked on the swell no parking allowed that's only places they have to park so you're going to increase the density already have a dense uh traffic dense area you're just it's a recipe for disaster thank you very much thank you Daniel and Laura hello my name is Daniel Malay I live at 1205 Marosa our unit actually looks at the corner of madruga and Marosa court so I know beyond anyone else that that something needs to be done about um that Plaza but I'm vehemently against this development as it is lots of other the people have already pointed out the traffic yes traffic is going to be terrible if they do this there's no way that set traffic study is accurate where they add 400 units and the nominal increase there's absolutely no way and beyond that the area is not designed for this density have you been on maduka it is it's been mentioned they even admitted that it's a narrow Street the traffic study admits the trucks cannot fit down that street and get into their parking yet almost all of the traffic is going to be funneled onto that little bitty Street and the way they've designed it yes it's a very beautiful building it's Grand it's wonderful I think it's very pretty it would be great somewhere it's fit somewhere that it makes sense this is a residential neighborhood not a high density Development Area it's it's not designed for these type of buildings there's no infrastructure for it and like I said we are the perfect example for going high density area in mass transit I work downtown my work Works downtown we take mass transit our daughter goes to West lab we ride our bikes to school and then take the train to work yes they're going to put sidewalks in around the building only around the building you still have the cross madruga with the thousands of cars delivery trucks garbage trucks everything going down that street because almost the only entrance is on those street that street so sure you can have the sidewalks nice and wide around the building but anywhere else in the neighborhood you have to cross that busy busy busy street as it is like I said we live on the corner and so we walk there there's as it is now there are people people whipping around that corner blindly speeding now imagine all the retail all the residents all the students all the lery drivers rushing to get home rushing at their place unfamiliar with the area not paying attention to crosswalks no matter what they say about visibility line painting or any of that it's not designed for the area something needs to be done with that Plaza an eight story 400 sorry 8 story 400 unit plus retail is not what needs to be done making special exemptions to add more and more and more onto an area that's not designed for it is not what needs to be done and again I want just reinforce that the traffic study is disingenuous I feel there's no way a nominal increase they don't factor in they did a field visit from 4: to 6 on a Tuesday or Thursday or something it doesn't factor in taking our daughter to JC Park par as was me as mentioned after dinner when it cools off or going on the weekends any of that so I'm vly against this as it stands and I oppose to development or reconstruction of that area it just needs to be responsible and factored in the logistics and infrastructure of the area thank you thank you sir Laura good evening I'm Laura Malay I live at 1205 Mariposa AV uh unit 433 my husband just spoke and I think he took most of my talking points um but what I would like to say is that we purchased our home in September 2023 and the letter I received about this meeting is the first time I learned about this development so all those notices that were sent out I did not receive any of them I check my mail every day and to be honest I'm horrified as you can see we have a six-year-old we moved to Coral Gables so she could go to West lab and live in a safe residential Community we didn't move to brickl you know part of the uh reason around this development is about the mass transit right the Metro Rail is there and the Metro Rail is great and as my husband said we do take it but we all know how people are in Coral Gables in Miami Dave County this is a car culture you can put someone's home next to the metro rail and they're going to drive their car there's going to be 700 cars and that's ridiculous it's not a nominal increase as everyone else has said I agree with what all of my neighbors have said and I hope you'll will reconsider yes we do need a face lift in that shopping plaza but let's do it within zoning the zoning laws were made for a reason please don't change them to fill someone's Pockets thank you thank you David Henderson good evening I'm David Henderson uh 1205 Mariposa Avenue uh I'm happy to support the Redevelopment of the University shopping center um but would ask you to look at the um aspect of the land area develop related to the rear setback along madruga Avenue um the normal rear setback for the existing or the proposed zoning should be 10 ft and it's uh um reduced from that in the proposed pad and and as as been pointed out madruga is a very narrow RightWay and with the height of the building the 97 ft it just becomes overwhelming on the RightWay and more importantly on the building adjacent to it um that it seems like that is something an aspect of the pad that will have a significant negative impact on the street and on the surrounding Community thank you thank you sir Janet Trin janner Trin I live at 1121 madruga apartment 303 not only is the problem the traffic in the cars but madruga is only two blocks long Mari Bosa court is two blocks long Jord and cabayo are two blocks long and there is no Ingress or egress for all these cars you have with minata and austo you have ponts middle school kids are coming off the Metro Rail they're walking we all know what happened at the um several weeks ago with this fabulous student who was struck down by cars and more and more of this will happen with all the students that are walking besides you have a two block radius this morning I was by the City Bank I left madruga went up to the stoplight to turn left to go south and I had three stop lights there was a garbage truck an Amazon truck several cars a plumbing truck I took a photo of it timestamped I can send it to you all three lights and that was only the few people that live there now this is just abominable and I do want to reiterate what Dr Moren said the two meetings I attended at the Coco Plum women Club were very contentious they were not happy meetings people are concerned about the noise that thesis has provided with the rooftop parties they're going to have another rooftop poll there it's just overdevelopment and people are really tired of it I delivered letters to come to this meeting and I advised people I'm sorry more did not come but on Sunday morning and Monday morning at 8:00 in the morning as I was walking dropping them off reminding them I ran into eight or 10 people and they're frustrated with the city they're annoyed they're frustrated they're not being listened to and when the traffic study man was speaking at one of the meetings the smirk and the laughter on the faces of the people it's unacceptable to be treated this way we pay taxes we live in The Gables the city beautiful and I don't think this is anything that George Merrick envisioned the construction that's been from Avenue 22nd Avenue on US1 up to 37th it's a parking lot 247 now whether it's 1: in the morning 2: in the morning 6:00 in the morning 8 in the morning it doesn't matter and it's all the buildings because they're all driving their cars we are a car Centric City we're expressways and we're car because everyone who's living there is going to have cars they all want to go to the beach they all want to go to Windwood they all want to go to the design just District let's be honest about it and they need cars to do that Uber works but they all have cars thank you thank you Janelle Vidal I'm live 63 can you lower the speaker please thank you hi I'm Jan VI 6312 I'm very unprepared because I just found out about this a couple of hours ago um I move I lived in bricko for 15 years and I moved to cor Gables to get away from that and I'm here because please protect cor Gables from too much buildings and the traffic Brickle became I love Brickle I loved it I thought I would never that I would die there and it just became un liberable too much traffic don't do that to the city please I I moved here to get away from that I and the traffic I I live there on cavayo I never take aayo out because there's a line of 10 cars always I canot imagine if they built that building in all the other buildings that they're planning on building on that are in that area that's it I don't want to repeat what everybody else already said Thank you thank you Henry p hi um my name is Henry Panera and I live at 1215 Adana Avenue Coral Gables Florida 33146 I am here in two capacities first I I would like to talk to you about my capacity as part of the uh Transportation Advisory Board um we in uh we requested that uh the Builder um the that the developer of the Mark bring uh Traffic Engineers in front of us and ask and answer some questions because I also went to those meetings and they did not provide the Traffic Engineers that they are providing today I believe um they told us that it would be up to the City of Coral Gables whether they came in front of us and answered some very specific uh traffic related questions as you can tell from everyone over here everyone is concerned about the impact of traffic to the neighborhood um what I would say U the transportation Advisory Board actually voted in in our last meeting to uh request a resolution that all uh large developers be brought in front of the transportation Advisory Board and be able to answer questions regarding the impact of traffic part of the reason why we requested that is because the traffic impact studies that I used the ones that everybody behind me doesn't believe are not effective in measuring and and were never designed to measure the impact of traffic on a neighborhood they were designed to measure whether roads can handle the traffic during the peak hours that's it it does not measure the impact to the neighborhood in the example of the thesis Hotel it does not measure the Friday night uh backups as parties and Ubers come and block the the cayto road that is not part of the traffic impact studies I would ask you to ask the developer to go back and bring their traffic Engineers to the transportation Advisory Board and answer are the questions that could not be answered so that is what I have to share with you with respect to my uh role as part of the transportation Andis report so just to be clear for the record you're here on behalf of the transportation Advisory board that statement that I just gave was representing the Transportation Advisory Board and um I can confirm that we requested that a resolution be sent to commission for uh for their review so that they uh have all future large developments come in front of the transportation Advisory Board and be able to answer very specific questions that that we might have about that development okay so that your first part was on behalf of the transportation Advisory Board correct okay now you're going to do it personal yeah right now so now as an individual person who lives three blocks away from the uh from the development I I want to point out a couple things the the uh when this project when I first heard about this project I heard nearly 400 condos first question out of everybody or first question in my head was well is it 400 condos with one bedroom 400 condos with two three I I still have not seen a breakdown of the number of rooms associated with this development and that makes a difference and I know from a doors measurement perspective it doesn't make a difference but why can't we get a clear answer from the developer at this stage in the game on the number of bedrooms associated with this now ass associated with that point I will also go on the record as saying that uh Landmark properties previously misrepresented their role in the development of the standard project which is further down um close to 57th Avenue they hid behind a local uh developer sha um MOS whatever is name is but they hid behind there I found the development um um construction proposals and I brought it out and it was clear that the P that the people that were bidd that were bidding out the construction work was Landmark properties uh the Sha uh developer testified in front of the commission that they that this was his development yet a few months later as soon as that resolution passed everything was transferred everything was sold to this to L uh Landmark properties I bring this up because they have not been clear with their intentions in the past they have misrepresented their their positions in the past and they're not giving clear numbers or have not given clear numbers as far as I know right now I might be might be my information might be out of date but I have not seen that so that's Point number one point number two is that this is an illegal up zoning as of right now in my opinion because there was no proper notification in February 2021 there was no proper notification to the surrounding areas to the surrounding neighborhood for the original change in zoning from commercial to mixed use this was done in the Deb of covid and a number of different locations throughout the city were all packaged together in around February of 2021 and no one that I and and I I asked this question at the at the other meeting no one of my neighbors received notification of that upzoning neither did I so this is just going to be a an issue that will get litigated I have no doubt because we did not receive proper zoning notice of changes in February of 2021 did did anyone here re notific sir if you can just direct everything to board thank you um okay the the last major point that I would make to you is the thesis Hotel the UN building that is next to the thesis Hotel they all have some level of restrictions about egress onto madruga I want to make sure that this development if it passes is held to similar standards as that those are one of the that is one of the questions that I wanted to ask and and delve into more as part of my role with the transportation Advisory Board I hope that you guys will hold them to the same standard that these other developments have been held to thank you thank you sir the following speakers are on Zoom go ahead please okay how many do we have three Kyle P hello can you hear me yes sir can you raise your right hand to be sworn in please do you swear affirm the testimony you're about to give should be the truth truth and nothing but the truth yes if you could please state your name and address for the record my name is Kyle pan I live at 1150 madruga Avenue Unit B101 continue please so I don't want to Echo what everybody else has said about the traffic and the overdevelopment I think that's been stated enough my concern living in the Royal Caribbean Club which is right across stre Street diagonal from where the development would be is there is no buffer there's absolutely zero buffer between the building and where we live so there's a couple issues here for one they talk about being a dog friendly sort of development and all that but people are going to take their dogs and they're going to go over to our building they're going to use what we have in our building and you know it's going to be wasteful it's going to be disgusting and and we don't want to have to deal with that kind of thing we already have our own un UNS with our own animals and it doesn't seem fair that now all of a sudden we're going to have however hundred many new units potentially coming into our neighborhood to do that and increase waste the other issue with that is that there is precedent in Coral Gables for there to be a buffer zone and there is just no buffer zone I mean even a small little dog park between Mary posa and where this building would be would greatly help in this situation uh I have concerns about the music off the rooftop I know that it's going to face US1 but that's just going to mean they're going to crank it louder you know we're right here where we are in the building next to us uh off madruga Avenue we're going to hear that stuff and there's just zero buffer it doesn't seem like I'm totally for the Redevelopment of that retail Plaza it is long overdue but like as others have stated it should be sensible it should be smart I don't think it necessarily has to be as dense as the developers have proposed and if we are going to make it dense we need to keep in mind the surrounding areas and create buffer zones the building does not need to come off to the street I've been to the thesis building these canyons are usually empty there's nobody walking through there I go there on my walk in the afternoons the guests don't hang out there the it it's just an empty space that could be rethought of in another way in a smarter way the other issue I have is with the delivery truck I live right next to where the delivery trucks are going to be and it's going to be non-stop all day we already talked about the dangers of people getting hit potentially by traffic and with the current infrastructure as is there's no way Mary Posta cour can handle this and we're just going to be stuck in that all day and so I ask the Planning and Zoning Board to please take some of this into account that we understand Redevelopment should occur but it must be sensible it must be smart we have to create buffer zones between the residential communities that surround this building and this project uh and we hope you take that into consideration thank you for letting me have the time to speak thank you next speaker yes Gabriela Bolano [Music] is Miss Bano there sorry I was on mute thank you um would you like to be sworn in and if so we would have to have your camera on sure thank you if you please raise your right hand please affirm the testimony about the GI to be the truth truth and nothing but the truth yes thank you if you please state your name and address for the record yes Gabriella bolato 1150 madruga Avenue Department a303 um good evening members I would like to express my support for the proposed project the mark in our community as a resident and homeown owner in the area I believe that this project will bring numerous benefits to our neighborhood and will enhance the quality of life for all residents first off IT addresses the need for housing and green space as well as commercial and retail space which are essential for sustainable growth and prosperity of our community uh furthermore the project demonstrates a commitment to responsible and thoughtful development practices from my reviews of the plans and discussions with the developers I am impressed by their efforts to incorporate traffic calming measures increased mobility and internalizing the unsightly waste facilities which are currently there in that alley uh additionally adding sidewalks and Landscaping will contribute positively to the surrounding area the proposed development also has has potential to stimulate economic growth and create job opportunities within our community by attracting new businesses and residents it will generate revenue for local businesses increase property values and ultimately strengthen our local economy as a resident of Coral Gables I believe it is crucial to embrace progress while preserving the unique character and charm that makes our neighborhood special the proposed development strikes this balance by offering modern amenities and opportunities for growth while respecting the existing fabric of the community so I ask the zoning board to please approve the proposed items this will be a positive step forward for our community thank you for considering my input thank you Valerie how yes could you please raise your right hand you affirm the testimony about to give should be the truth truth and nothing about the truth I do thank you if you state your name and address for the record please yes I'm Valerie Howell I live at 1150 madruga Avenue b201 Royal Caribbean Club and and um I won't um speak very long but I just wanted to say that I agree with most of the previous speakers I'm an opposition to this project I wanted to bring up a couple of points Kyle just mentioned one of them and that is my concern about the um side of the building that is on Mariposa Court um there is no buffer zone there and I am also very worried about those constant deliveries that are going to be going on day and night is we're the delivery zone is right outside my my window um and most of the people on this side of our building are going to be uh experiencing that that um that problem um I would like to see a bigger buffer on that side of the building multiple layers of of landscaping of further setback so that we have some kind of protection from the noise um and move the delivery area someplace um I'd also like to bring up a point that hasn't been brought up uh for people that are living on this side of the um Mariposa the side of the street right now um we have a view of the Sun in the afternoon we have a view of sunset in the afternoon that's all going to be going away with this project um we're not going to have that natural light in our apartments anymore it's uh to some that might seem a minor point but it's a real quality of life issue for me and for other people that enjoy natural Lighting in their Apartments um so I don't agree with the height of the building especially the eth floor um we don't need buildings that high in this area um I also wanted to mention um Royal Caribbean Club was mentioned previously uh in the presentation as having been met with um the air the residents but I checked with our manager and he confirmed that um only the board was met with on a zoom meeting and no further meetings have been made and the residents were not included in that meeting so most of the residents in this um development are U probably unaware of uh what's going to be happening across the street so I just wanted to clarify that and I thank you for your consideration for allowing me to speak and I would really ask you um not to approve this project thank you thank you no more speakers what about in the phone platform um a message was sent out to everyone in zoom and no one has indicated they wish to speak okay this time I'd like to go ahead and close uh the floor to the public and open it up for board comment uh you need to give the applicant time for rutto first sorry about that that's all right thank you I'm going to um address some of the comments not necessarily in the order because I jotted down notes as some of the comments were made um so I'll start with the bedroom count the bedroom count was part of our original application our original application was filed a couple of months ago um has been available I know that I personally have downloaded and handed it to people who have asked me for it but it has been available I don't know how easy because you know the city has a new uploaded system but the number of bedrooms is 114 one-bedrooms 121 two bedrooms and 158 three bedrooms for a total of um well that and then we have the the live work for a total of 393 um I that can't beom 158 121 114 wait if we can just one person speak at a time please Jennifer well I I think what we have to do if somebody wishes to speak they need to come to the microphone so that the court border can take down their uh testimony okay those correct that she just came up here and and that is the correct number it's 114 one bedrooms 121 two bedrooms and 158 three bedrooms it was actually slide 10 in my presentation okay okay so do we multiply 121 by two 158 by3 to get the bedroom count yes you're talking about units not bedrooms that's correct because that's how the zoning code the zoning code is based on units and that's how the zoning code deter parking so that what I'm saying is the the zoning code and the parking requirements are based on units and for a one unit it has a certain number of parking for a two-bedroom unit has a different number of parking for a three-bedroom unit all right uh Laura but uh I think chip came up with the number so there there are 830 bedrooms 830 dispute your math but I can tell you I can't do that math in my head I could be off I continue um if Mr Panera is here that's that was his question there are 830 bedrooms right let's let her the rebuttal and then we'll go through all right um with respect to the issue with dog stations there are eight dog stations both poop stations and water bowl stations um throughout the project itself um we did that not just one station not just two but we made sure there were sufficient stations to specifically address that we did not want anyone that lives within the project to go outside of the project to walk um to walk their dog um with respect to outreach we did a lot of Outreach we reached out to The Gables NE uh neighborhood association starting in June um I met with the I don't know if she's the de facto president debie register but we also met with Lisa DET Tor I met with Lisa DET tor's son we numerous you we gave you the list of large meetings that we had we met with the Villa Capri both with the board and with residents um and we met with the Royal Caribbean yes it was the board of directors there were some residents we extended the invitation to the Condominium Association and let them make the arrangements um as to uh who they invited but we also made ourselves available to meet with anybody that wanted to and we shared all our information Board of Architects meetings um Board of Architects plans traffic engineering studies Etc uh I'm going to allow the city's traffic consultant to address the traffic issues I'm not a traffic engineer I'm not going to pretend to be one today what I will say is that based on the traffic study I want you to know that we requested that the study have an additional intersection that it include pedestrian counts that it include accident counts so everything we heard from the neighbors and from members of the traffic advisory uh board we took that in and we asked the city and and the city asked the consultant to include that in their report um so I want you to uh understand that the project was designed to try to mitigate traffic by internalizing all of the Services garbage pickup deliveries Furniture big stuff is all interior restaurant deliveries Etc it's all interior because we live in today's world and we know I my office is on the corner of ponon Aragon people stop in the middle of Aragon they stop in the middle of ponts whether it's Uber Eats whether it's Uber whether it's Amazon whether it's just someone picking somebody up they don't pull over they just do it in the middle of the traffic lane we have been working with the parking director to create a delivery Zone um adjacent to the building where there will be spots that will be monitored by the city so a truck can an um Amazon UPS Etc truck can park run and drop off the project but we're trying to keep them off the roadway uh uh off a travel Lane um yes we are asking for a lot of applications there are six um but some of them just has to do with the way our zoning code is set up for those of you that know I've been doing this for several decades now I won't go into the exact number um but the building we all love the the Alan Morris alhamra 121 alhamra that is on the cover of everything that you see it's as iconic almost now as the built more it needed a change in land use a change in zoning a vacation of ride away Etc to make that building happen the same for the highed hotel it required 16 variances our zoning code is such and currently right now while one of the neighbors said build as a BRI because of the size of this site being over one acre it requires a site plan review so we were going to be here with a site plan review regardless because the new um change in the zoning code eliminated as of as of right building um we asked for the extra two stories not to get more units not to get more F our f is at 3.15 not the 3.50 and we did that to to provide a nicer more aesthetically pleasing building we have the same density because the density is the same whether you are mx1 MX2 or MX3 the only differences in the height where you put the density whether you spread it out or whether you go more vertical with it with respect to the alley it is a Remnant that area was originally platted back in the 19 20s by George Merrick later on just before the shopping center was built in the 40s the alley was vacated because the alley bifurcated like all the blocks did it had an alley bifurcating parallel to US1 that block was replanted it was replanted again and then the road was affected when the vilica pre condominium was built with what is called the Koga subdivision um and that happened in the early 70s so the six applications are to get as beautiful a project as as we are presenting the alley while it was a public alley has in essence been abandoned since the shopping center was built and uh I think it was 1951 or 52 the alley has not been open it has not been used for service the city has not used the alley it has been used by the shopping center for both uh parking and access um um with respect to the pad the pad is because we have two buildings connected by a bridge and because we were addressing step backs but as most of you know who have been up here for several years the pad requires greater open space it requires more streetscape it requires more amenities more to the neighborhood um if you didn't ask for a pad you could eliminate some of the amenities that are being provided and then I just um want to um reiterate that the zoning code States specifically that high density project should be located and it mentions other streets that are not important here but it specifically spells out us one South Dixon Highway since the beginning we've decided that midrise was going to be the appropriate thing here it would create a buffer we didn't try to go to MX3 and play a game and say we're going to come down we came in with what we thought was going to be an incredible project for the neighborhood we have worked incredibly hard in fact the new requirement that you meet with neighbors before a board of Architects we did that without anyone suggesting it to us without anyone requiring it of us so we really have tried to do uh Outreach and I know it's difficult but and um I'm sure when you have questions for the traffic engineer a commercial uh retail project here would have create would create a lot more traffic if you were to have you know a high volume retail establishment and the the neighbor that spoke it is correct back in I think it was January of 2021 the zoning code was um quote reorganized and in that reorganization if you will recall a lot of properties on US1 were zoned commercial and they got changed to now mx1 MX2 or MX3 at that time if you followed the zoning code they should have made US1 MX3 so I just want to reiterate that I think our request is an incredible reasonable one that works with the current zoning um code the comp plan and with the um infill um requirements and statements that are in the comprehensive plan with respect to mobility and um once again I would um respectfully request that you approve our project and then our team is available to answer any questions you may have thank you um with that I will now close the floor for public comment Felix would you like to start please sure thank you sir so um I I look at the project I look at the location I listen to the neighbors and um it's a systemic problem in Coral Gables um Coral Gables is dying by a Thousand Cuts every single project that comes before this city seems to be asking for not just resoning to be within the ceiling which is the comprehensive land use plan but but we've pushed the ceiling over and over again using the small scale comprehensive plan changes when you add all these small scales this comprehensive land use plan is unrecognizable sometimes I think I understand I do this for a living but at the same time I have to look at see what is reasonable development and there's a difference between making a profit and making an excessive profit doing something that is compatible and I remember a commissioner that sat on this dice that asked me to define compatible you know it's like uh way back when when the Supreme Court Justice if he could understand what what was obscene he says well when I see it I I I could recognize it and I think this is obscene why because it's not that you're just asking for two additional floors you're taking a massive building and saying that you've altered the massing because now you have two buildings I just did a quick sketch here and the reason that you have the two buildings is this way you could line residential almost like in a square dut on either side and you're using this poo to be able to have light which is required for those apartments so you're not asking for more height I think it's remarkable because when you look at the us one as many of us since at least I was a kid we call it useless one the traffic is just absolutely unbearable at every time of the day and at the same time it's called the smart Corridor now if that's not an oxymoron I don't understand what is when you put in the amount of units of 700 units and when you look at that aerial photograph that staff showed all those single family homes behind it it is just wrong 700 spaces almost 400 units almost 30,000 square ft of retail who's going to drive there to use that retail the other thing is that when you look at the comprehensive of land use plan this mx1 and then MX2 and MX3 the thesis was an Abomination and it's proved to be one it is out of place it has altered the single family residential quality of life see when you look at traffic you consider the Los the level of service but nowhere does it say anywhere in the factors that Master plans have to be evaluated with every 7 years nowhere does it say quality of life not one word but tonight we heard residents here talk about the quality of life this board in my opinion is the difference between us providing a quality of life or reassuring that there will be a quality of life through compatible development my opinion this is very incompatible the um building goes back many many years I can't recall when it was built but it wasn't the um building um bought it and they moved over there and if memory serves me right it came off the tax roles because uh um is is not for profit maybe I'm mistaken but I think that's the way it is so they use it for their offices it's the big building but it was built during another time during another time where spot zoning was very prevalent everywhere in every urban area including Coral Gables and there are examples of spot zoning that are today legal non-conforming uses I I look at this and I and and the zoning code says that we should have all this intensity on us one but look at what the comprehensive land use plan says it's m MX2 now I can't stand here and or sit here and say that I want to take away property rights from the developer will be sued probably successfully the City of Coral Gables has been sued many times before and they've lost a few and one of the things about it is that the MX2 has two less floors when it comes to bonuses those additional floors when you look at the at the comprehensive land use plan you're looking at things that have to do with consistency so when I look at the bonuses bonuses and let there be no doubt bonuses are discretionary if tomorrow the city said you know what I've had enough with Mediterranean architecture and AR and Mediterranean bonuses and all these bonuses we won't be we won't be successfully sued because bonuses are discretionary so it's not a Bert Harris act issue it's definitely a discretionary thing now the compatibility to the South is not there but the bonuses increase intensity and increase height so not only are you adding two more floors but you're adding the two floors of the med bonuses on top of that I think that that's just an affront to the neighbors the streets that were brought up by the by the neighbors starting with the doctor she's absolutely correct those are very very small rways it is impossible to negotiate out of there and in fact if you just look up the street down in pinerest the police officers couldn't get out of their own City Hall at certain times of the day on useless one and you're coming in from us one instead of going to the end of the street where the traffic light is to be able then to slow people down and at at least give them a chance of not getting rear ended on us one 700 parking spaces 400 units the height and the intensity are incredible the Thousand Cuts this is just another cut the City of Coral Gables is unrecognizable now I cannot support this application in any way shape or form but I'll tell you another thing the pad that is being requested is that for many years we've had a board of of of adjustment to adjust certain portions of the zoning code but one of the things that you have to prove when you go to the board of adjustment is that you have to prove hardship if you have a single family home and your setback as 10 ft and you want 8 feet good luck on that one but now through the magic use of a pad now you could avoid all variances that's a mistake because it increases again the intensity issue so there are many reasons that I find this particular project too big too intense and too overwhelming to the neighbors and the neighborhood and I'll end with a joke and it has to do with Traffic Engineers let me just get to the punchline the joke is or the answer to the joke is what do you want it to be realistically the people that live around this neighborhood they can't get out of their neighborhood and when you add another 700 cars there it is just going to be ridiculous I don't want to even get into the live local act because it it seemed to be skirted by some of the speakers and in all fairness that the applicant I don't want to do that but I do know that with the live local act there are a lot of benefits to developers but there also there there are also a lot of negative R ramifications to the rest of the residents that have to pay the taxes that they won't have to pay so there are a lot of moving Parts here and Mr chairman I thank you for the opportunity to ask the or make my statements clear thank you Felix chit you always make me follow this guy it's a tough act to follow be on my a game um I want to get technical a little bit with the traffic is this I want to get technical with the traffic so so I'm going to ask you a couple questions now and you can look up the answers later and okay um I want to know what your counts are before the um thesis was built and after the thesis was built on these specific stacking areas Crossing us one on Hardy excuse me on cabero on Turin and on Augusto mayata how many cars are backed up on the on the stop sign there between 8 and 10: a.m. before thesis and after thesis so that that number I'm looking for that's number one okay go ahead do you have that number no I don't have that number because obviously thesis was already under conr uh was already built by the moment that we collect the data the the city had parking stud the city gave me a traffic study yes they did you have access to that no we can get that information but you don't have it now we don't have it right now okay does the city have that does the city have that information okay maybe you can get with City and check that in the meantime they also I also would like to know what the traffic counts were on before thesis and after thesis on Med Pulsa Hardy mayada and um it's really it's really an alley but but uh um could could I ask you before you continue just if you can state your name and record for for your name and address for the record sure ju Calderon cultur Engineering Group 790 Northwest 107 Avenue sweet 200 thank you Melissa desas Transportation division manager for the City of Coral Gables and muga so those four streets I want to know that counts before thesis and after thesis again because I because we all all all I've heard from 30 speakers tonight is this traffic study is not real so those are the benchmarks um because I know I I sometimes wait at that stop sign to cross US1 on mayata I understand for 15 minutes just to cross and I'm just wondering what another 800 cars doe to that so let me let me tell you the approach to the traffic study so you no I don't I don't I don't need the approach well I can tell you that the data that we have is a data of after thesis being built we got it be thisis was already built by the moment that we were able to collect dat okay we collected very recently that data okay so how many more cars is it going to add between now and the time it's built cross the new development eight eight cars eight car to to M so so you're telling me after this is built after this is built to cross us one on mayata no going north it's only going to add eight cars what a minute an hour an hour eight cars eight car that's what we're adding to m muga is the one so no no no Manata austo is a little there's a little uh constantly on Middle School that's nor north of yes so if you're crossing over us one from mayata Crossing us one in the morning how many more cars per you say hour that's one minata you mean mayata correct Manata the one that is crossing mayata over us one I myada was no part of this SC but why that's one of that's on your map that you showed us that's one of your main exit points on the map that Laura showed us okay how about how about Turin you know where Turin is turn is the street between the City Bank and the property going out of turn which I'm assuming the folks from Mariposa and madruga go north on turn either turn left on us one how many more cars per hour is this going to add po Court I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry got the wrong you got me confused I'm sorry I know very could could maybe if we could could we put the map up let's do that and that way we can all take a look at it at the same time I mean I honestly haven't seen traffic study okay all I've heard is people complain about the traffic study so I just want to find out some of the reasons they're complaining and while you're while you're doing that can you tell me what a speed cushion is speed cushion is uh uh kind of Hump condition that they have it's a flat top speed traffic Hing device like a speed big speed bump speed bumpable a table with a division in the middle for emergency we can yeah we can only have one person she can't takes Thea okay we can only have one person at a time please there was a comment made by Eric that said most intersections will be okay mhm maintaining conditions I don't know what that means most so what are the intersections that aren't going to be okay so the two intersections that are not going to be okay the two intersections that are not going to be okay that they need to be revisit or that they need to be addressed in a certain way is obviously Mariposa where is the traffic signal with us one that is the the one at the North side if you want to put it in the that one there is a traffic signal next to the next to the bridge if I may somebody's speakers on on their phone can they turn it off please so Mary posa and US1 yes where does Mary posa hit us one where the at the bridge where you have the crossing of the bridge Mara Court okay okay okay okay okay okay so that is a that one is a signal that that one we're asking to be retimed as part of the application okay and obviously the other one is cavalero cavalo which is in the south side right that is where the wide median opening it's our white median opening where people are where you are saying that you are having difficulties to cross I guess no I no I'm on I'm talking about mayata you're talking about cabayo but I don't think they can put signalized lighting there can they because you have one on South you have very one very close to it correct right okay so so I guess this goes to City staff it said that they're going to Benchmark for three years okay and what happens if the first year the Benchmark doesn't hit what is what happens I believe I didn't grab my iPad but I believe it it says in the condition that they have to um make improvements to the area to be able to why don't they do them now because according to their traffic study they don't need them you can only rely on what improvements would so tell me what kind of this is important because if you can do improvements to correct this problem in the future let's talk about getting them done now so you don't we don't have the problem that seems pretty logical to me so obviously the first thing is to see what happened after the retirement in Mariposa court that will be the first thing to see in the future once the development happens 15 seconds 30 seconds that that can be done as part of the application but there is an issue when you do retiming is that remember that the corridor needs to flow so there is an issue that you you have to monitor that that retiring so let's say the timing doesn't work then what do you do then obviously they there is an issue that needs to be address if the retiring doesn't work on that specific intersection in the the county needs to come and see coordination between the three signals all together because that the signals are coordinated they are they are supposed to flow you need to have a green okay a green I'm not convinced I'm sorry that's fine okay um and then if what's the other area where we have to look at if you're monitoring so we know I I really don't think that adding 15 seconds to those cars actually on US1 because they're stacked up anyway on us one you know they're going to sit there for 15 seconds and the lights's going to go back to red again so I don't know that that I think you agree with me um that US1 is a five or whatever it is probably more than that and you're just not going to buy adding more timing to A A Street on the US1 it's going to make a a whole lot of difference but but maybe it will but let's say that doesn't work is there another solution or is that the only solution well the other solutions that are obviously this intersection the rway is very constrained you can not why in this rway what it is so we are limited within the rway that we have okay were you able to get those numbers on okay let's hear what they are so where were you looking for I was looking for what I chip if I may one second it's going to be 9:00 soon yeah it's probably going to be 10: before we get out of here right but we need to extend time before 9:00 make a motion to extend it till 10:00 to 10 o00 is there a second second we have a second everybody in favor say I no I we have a no Julio I didn't say no I said no we have one no say yes we have a yes yes I'm I'm good with it we have yes I'm a no also so it passes to extend what what's the vote to extend to 10:00 yeah but what's the vote count two NOS one two three four yes okay Mr chairman may I ask uh why no to extend it because because we're going to hit 10:00 and we're going to still be here that's why well then we we'll defer to next week till next month if you want no no what I'm saying for me I would rather extend it to 9:30 for example see how it goes and then if we need to extend another hour more sure absolutely that would to and I'm I'm going as fast as I can I just want no it's not you CH would you like to may I amend my tion second the am so the amendment is to 9:30 amended and a second everybody in favor say I I I thank you proceed okay so right now he's reviewing the what we have here is the existing counts before I can't hear you that well Sunshine sorry okay so he's reviewing right now um basically what we have right here is the baso traffic impact study and the existing counts prior to it being built he's comparing the numbers with what he has so that you can see the what the differences between the two okay let's do it so obviously when there is development and there is growth in traffic so before the the thesis there was about uh um 80 Vehicles entering cavalero which is the main intersection before which which intersection I'm sorry Cavo cavayo and where the US one and us one okay go ahead what which which intersection you want to know I want to know mayata and I want to know Manata and US1 they don't have man okay that that's an important one cuz that's one of the key exit points that you showed can we can we put that map that was up there man is way up North minata is not way up North Min it's 250 ft from the property yeah we don't have data in Min we there is no data in my we have data on data let's make it easy okay what is the increase in traffic count on Hardy Road just tell me that how many more cars are going to be going on Hardy Road okay per hour that's pretty easy so that's Hardy becomes caver okay let's clarify okay now I'm okay what I'm talking about specifically is people aren't going to be get getting out on the US one I I live there so I know this I go it every morning okay people do not try to get out on the US one at cabayo you just can't it's impossible okay so they come down and they either cut through Mary Pulsa and go over to mayada and head north or they come down Hardy go down to Granada and up or may not so I just want to know what the increased traffic is on Hardy how many more I just want to see the validity of this traffic study okay so I'm going to give you the the numbers of of what for you to understand in Hardy the traffic was Jennifer about 58 Vehicles before the thesis was built okay now the in in Hardy what is going to be after is going in yeah this is PE hour just just to clarify this is PE hour this is what PE hour hours okay so in Hardy what is going to be after being after after thesis was implemented after thesis was implemented without the project is 70 okay so you're telling me this is brought to Hardy okay listen I'm not trying to take this apart but you're telling me say that of the 750 cars okay just say of the 750 cars or parking spaces in the building okay so let me okay go ahead I'm sorry before thesis was implemented there was 68 okay after this is was implemented there was 72 cars okay okay after the new development is going to be implemented there is going to be 80 cars okay per hour no wait a minute so okay so let's do the math so it's how many how many there's 830 bedrooms okay there there's 830 bedrooms as we talked about let's say that a third of those have cars and let's say a half of those go down Hardy that's that's 100 right there so I I don't I don't see how you you now I know everybody will choose Hardy okay now I understand the neighbors concerned cuz I I not everybody will choose Hardy no because not everybody will choose Hardy because they do have main entrance if I could keep everybody please silent in the room get okay sir do you if I could just ask everybody please cuz we hear everything up here what is the increase on madruga because that's what I'm concerned about because that Street's 30 feet wide and and and that was a big issue when the city allowed thesis to use that street and everybody complained about it saying that it's it's an alley which it is and now it's being used not only for the thesis but it's being used for your property so what was the count before and after Okay so let's start and that's the last one I'll ask you I promise before you have 22 Vehicles before before thesis okay that's fair enough that's probably about right after thesis without this development you have and these are actual counts this is not the analysis on Saturday h on Saturdays peak hours it's not on Saturdays go ahead on a Saturday you throw your glasses at me trying to lighten it up it's too late too late 30 okay so thesis increased it by only eight even though that's the main entrance to their parking garage on the Mugo okay okay this is just actual counts I understand I understand and how many are you going to have now and we are going to increase this project is going to increase it to 33 say that again 33 so your 830 bedroom apartment whose main Ingress and egress on the back of that building is going to traffic H this site has a main entrance through us one at the same time obviously a lot of traffic is going to select to go through okay through muga in Direction Mariposa Court I I got and I if I'm a her yes I'm the poly director I just want to clarify this did you put your name in the sure Herm on the Polar director this is not traffic counts for a whole day this is just PE hour I understand okay just just make it sure that's peak hours are what 8 to 10 peak hour 1 hour 8 to nine 8 to n or 7 to one hour in 1 hour yes this project either from 5: to 600 people coming home or 8 to9 people going out is going to generate three more cars in one hour is what you're saying okay okay okay in that a specific now I guess the city is that do you believe that wait no I know but I just want to ask him I me does that seem logical I live there I just want to make sure this is actual data collected we're not talking now about the actual study the that's what the actual physical data that was collected reflect no he projected you can't that's not actual data I'm talking about a projection okay so actual data I can't argue with but projections I can argue with listen that's fine if you say three and that's what you stand by I I I I can honestly see why the neighbors don't believe it t I'm sorry but I mean I don't know that many of us can believe it but that's fine it's okay allog together the development in the peak hour I understand is going to generate 120 cars that's what the trip generation says okay and they're all going different direction some are going they some of them will choose this some of others will choose other they do have different routes but coming home at night they won't take the same route they're leaving in the morning they tend to take the same way to go if they go north they will come South the majority of the traffic will tend to go go North to downtown I'm not a traffic engineer but I would rather turn left on us one with a light than try to turn on us one without a light so I not that is happening Ka that that is happening Ka yes okay thank you I didn't mean to be so no problem demonstrative but I I just okay so another couple of quick questions has has this property been sold or is this under contract based on this approval you don't know the answer to that I'm sure is this I mean does does Landmark own this or is this optioned out until this this gets approved it's we're currently the contract purchasers what does that mean contract purchaser means it's it's under contract and there hasn't been a closing yet I understand that but is it based on them getting approval on this it's based on getting certain approvals yes okay so it's not they don't own it yet this is all okay that's fine I was just curious to know and is there has there has been has there been discussion with um what type of discussion with um any discussion with um yes we let the um know that this project was coming because one of the conditions was to put a sidewalk behind their current building so we did not want to agree to a condition to put landscaping and sidewalk behind their building okay so the only discussion has been about Landscaping cor this is not a um sanctioned project the is not endorsing the project this is not part of housing this is strictly separate and a part has nothing to do with the University of Miami one of the speakers insinuated I'm trying to squal that rumor that the um is not doesn't own any of this isn't made any deals with students on this or anything like that right that is correct okay um sewer connection are you hooking up to city sewer I know we've been working with the city's public works department so I think um Mr Diaz can answer that question better for you than I can yes let me let me tell you one of my questions ask is some residents who are concerned and wanting to hook up to sewer feels that some of the sewer capacity is going to be sucked up by this project and they're not going to be able to hook up to the Sewer so that's the point of my question so so so the way the way the pr works the the where the process works um they are required to send us a um H where the flows are and if there's no capacity in the system then they will be required to have improvements to a sour system okay I understand that but my my question specifically is what is the capacity now how much capacity are they going to take up and how much capacity will we have left over after this we don't have the answer to that question at the moment I mean I think that's kind of important I'm sorry that's kind of important well they will be required to provide that capacity that capacity does not exist okay so we don't know basically we don't know what their sewer requirement is and what we have to give to them and what improvements might no at the moment we do not that'll be subject to an agreement further down the line is a standard procedure with any job the if I can piggyback chip on that question what happens if once they do the sewer they meet the capacity but yet they're able to do it what happens with other residential owners that want so the way the way way we do the way we do we treat any developer if the system has capacity they welcome to use the capacity the system has I mean that is standard doesn't matter who does it if the system does not have capacity we actually do two different types of analysis we looked at which are the segments that will be out of capacity as a result of the development but then we resis them with the Assumption especially some areas where you may not have a uh for example septic area or things of that nature we have assume there's a buildout uh there's a buildout situation so for example let's just say that this current pipe for example it says 8 in right and the developer has a need of improvement to a 12 however the buildout capacity requires a 16 will'll ask the developer to put a 16 in pipe creating excess capacity for future connection and there's actually a a portion of the code that for 10 years the extra capacity that they create created they actually have to reimburse the developer based on a formula that's WR the code um I'm sorry say that again you go so so basically so if the developer creates a capacity Improvement project right right so they create an excess capacity in the system then for 10 years according to the code and based on a formula a future uh connector pays them back it it's based on a formula depending on their flows so that that's usually how that works but that that that gets developed that's through the design process but definitely the project will not move forward if there's no se capacity and there's no s capacity that will be required to make the necessary improvements thank you thank you very much thank you CH Sue thank you um I've got some comments and I've got some questions first of all I think the project looks fantastic I'll tell you that right off the bat I think it looks fantastic I like the way you broke up the building I like the way that you uh added sidewalk all around for Mobility purposes I I I think it's outstanding I love the 56 or whatever foot poo uh I like so much about this project I really do with that said there are some things I don't like and here's what here's where I'm I'm headed with this first of all thank you for bringing something up that we don't discuss enough chip we always discuss traffic infrastructure what we see above the ground but we never discuss what's below the ground the infrastructure the capacity the sewer and now with this this lean towards the count the county lean towards everybody going sewer we never discuss what's happening underground and I don't know about you people but I didn't see anything on the news about adding more capacity for sewers I think we're putting Band-Aids on an old system so when you're saying we're going to add another 830 bedrooms that's a lot of toilet usage okay to put it bluntly and that's one building that's one building and these are students right they drink a lot you need a lot of capacity for them okay so so thank you for bringing that up because I think we need to discuss this a little further this board should discuss it but let me get back to a couple of other things so so Landmark at this point doesn't really own the property you know I was uh in another life uh involved with the Vera which is now called the standard okay and uh I was part of the neighborhood association and we had very contentious moments about the standard and a couple of things that were revealed and I have to say that Henry Panera took the lead on this because he was part of uh this uh SE the Rivier neighborhood board at that point in time discovered a couple of things that we were not happy about landmark not disclosing one of them was the ownership who really owned it and one thing that came across my computer right after that project was approved was a flyer hey students come here and be part of our project and it had a big University of Miami logo on it so with the questions about you have discussions with University of Miami regarding well let's put it this way are you the straw man for um because on the other side of US1 my side where I live in Riviera we now have the vanera now called the standard it's dormitories that's all it is they're dormitories now we have the Poo that I heard was designed specifically for Chinese students and the hotel for the Chinese parents to come and visit and guess what happened when they opened the pandemic no Chinese students no Chinese visitors but now you're seeing a lot of Asians so and my understanding is that the um actually solicited that developer to build this for the Chinese students now we have another dormatory going in or wanting to go in where the Bagel Emporium Plaza is another dormatory so what's happening you have this beautiful residential area and what's overshadowing the residential area with no buffer we got a bunch of dormitories when did we become the strawmen for University of Miami why are we building dormitories in a residential area okay and it is Landmark I mean I've done the research on it Henry's done the research on it go to the website of anybody you do nothing but dormitories so let's not say it's for yuppies this is for students they're dormitories and as much as your website is trying to soften that a little bit saying oh we're also doing some residential every single one of your projects are major dormitories across the country and you pride yourself I forgot my my list here you pride of yourself as being the largest dormatory builder in the country okay so we're turning at the Riviera neighborhood where ship lives where I live where Henry lives where a lot of people here live into basically a very transient neighborhood and I don't know if you've been to the Publix when I go to my Publix on Manza which is where the standard is is it looks like the Locust came there because you can't find anything because the students have come in especially on game day and you can't find anything on the shelves it's like Locust have invaded a residential area we can't shop at Publix anymore so my concern I've got a couple concerns number one this is a dormatory in a residential area love the project love the way it looks but it's a dormatory and I'm glad you didn't buy it yet because I think you're hearing a lot of people pushing back okay I think this project should go someplace else but not here look when I bought my house I didn't expect to build a five-story house on my on my property I knew what I could have on my property and that's what I've got on my property and that's it and if I do want to add to it guess what I have to put through the permitting process and it's a nightmare you guys have it easy you you come before here with a nice presentation and a lot of you people get rubber stamps approvals I think I think you're seeing a change in the board we're not rubber stamping anymore okay so couple of other things um The Alley how much are you guys willing to pay for the alley I didn't hear I I didn't hear you saying we're going to pay the city um $3 million for that piece of property because right now I own it and Chip owns it and Henry owns it her yes what was the rightor the city does not own rways they were dedicated for public use and they were dedicated they were basically taken from the property abing property owners for the creation and specifically on an alley on the Florida statue um the definition of an alley is intended for Access and service to the abing property owners so the city Cod has a process in place where if the alley is no longer being used in the manner that was intended they can go ahead and uh put an application for the alley to be vacated under the forer statutes the alley gets reverted back to the abing property owners which is the location where the alley came from the city does not have a deed for most of rways so if a rway is to be abandoned it just gets returned back to whoever dedicated to the city to begin with OR their um the term of the plat is it Escapes Me Right Now a so whoever is the owner of the property so we don't have an Avenue to Dem man a developer will pay the city for an alley uh cuz the city doesn't own them so I just want to make that clear okay if we don't own it how can we give it away we're not going to we're not get them away there's a process by which the Ali are created and the code has a process by which the Ali are abanded and this is part of the process the ultimate AER will be the city commission okay thank you Herm okay that's a pretty pricey piece of property though I it's a nice piece of property I I would say 3 million what about you I don't think you're allowed to do that can I just advise the board we've had this discussion there's two ways that that a municipality can acquire property it can condemn it and pay for it or two it can through development requests for dedication of RightWay with regard if we condemn a piece of property and we're using it and somebody wants it then the only way they can get it is is through a sale because the the the deed for that property is through condemnation with RightWay we are the stewards of the of the RightWay we don't have the right to charge for that because the as it was explained we don't actually own it we're the steward of it so that's why we can't request that payment for the right way I'm saying that kind of tongue and cheek but you get you get my point here one last one last uh issue I want to talk about is the traffic study I can't tell you how many traffic studies I've seen I don't think that I don't think there has been one traffic study that I've seen that says you can't do it there's going to be too much traffic you can't do it I haven't seen one and I've been at this for about 15 years um so so I I just want to clarify the purpose traffic study traffic is not a concurrency requirement for development the way that sanitary suers stimulates the way that power water Etc the purpose of traffic study is to um discuss the impact from the traffic perspective to development to this board to the city commission so you can base your decision accordingly um a traffic study could May well say that yes you're increasing this amount of traffic to the streets but maybe no improvements are possible okay but the traffic study is never going to say this development does not move forward that is not the purpose of traffic study the traffic study is simply to provide you with information that you need to uh make your decision and obviously to the city commission unlike sewer or power or water if you don't have sewer capacity if you don't have water you don't have power guess what the project does not move forward the traffic is not a concurrency requirement but it's just for information purposes that's the purpose of traffic study so traffic is never going to say this project should not move forward can I ask him one question we understand it's not a concurrency issue I think we all know that traffic's not a concurrency issue but as a city planner as a city designer traffic engineer traffic does have an impact on the quality of sure he does so I I think that I just so you know I look at a traffic study not in a concurrency vein right but I look at it as impact to neighborhood quality of life and and and that's what we go through process I want to just say I I know it's not a that's why the information is available so you have an opportunity to make your decision and the same goes to the commission all right I'm just saying the traffic studies actually damage in my estimation the developers pitch they damage it because when you tell me that there are going to be 830 people sleeping in a project and the traffic is actually going to go down down by 716 Vehicles yeah 716 less daily trips that's what your that's what your study says 7 716 less daily trips with a project with 830 beds so obviously as he mentioned at the beginning it's an estimate what happen is that we have to take into account what is under the pre-existing conditions and the existing conditions was retail I was just had the opportunity to revisit the numbers that I was looking for that you ask and I noticed that for instance the traffic in at the signal and um that's madruga madruga and us one was way higher than it was that it was after the new building was implemented at that time that development was was the the intensity of the retail was much higher than than after the implementation of the new building maybe the development the retail started to go down maybe there was an issue of of um of occupancy in the in the shopping plaza but that's the reality again why in the future is going to be less the the overall daily traffic that is an estimate based on a formulation based on it is that something that we can validate we will see the peak hour is what is in is we do care the peak hour is what it cares because that at that specific moment it shows that there will be more traffic and that's that's the reality okay one thank you ju just two more comments um I live in that area and right now because we're not adding School traffic in here we're looking at peak hours there are points the day when I come home from work I cannot go get into my house I live off of South alhamra I can it's South alhamra is blocked and it's not only the school traffic it's people wanting to get to the Poo but they know they can't make a left turn on US1 they take me Nota come all the way down to South alhamra to make a right turn onto US1 I can't get to my house I was stuck in traffic the other day for 20 minutes trying to get to my house on South alhamra and it's not just the school so just saying you add another project and then another project the um building is I think sold what's going to happen there and all of a sudden we are literally home locked we are not going to be able to move love your project not here sorry thank you Julio um I like the project also I think it's very nice um I have a question on the setbacks on you us one can you show me a section through there where the setback is and what's the Landscaping in there um sure if I have a slide that a slide that shows the step back I'm sorry the the has a section it's 20t 20t is it is is it 20 fet yes guess yeah the setback on us one is 20 ft but aren't you asking for the step back and how no no set back from building from the edge of us one oh yes this mandatory 20 ft I thought you ask the step back and how they're encroaching into it and they're proposing more than 20 fet I think they're at 25 yeah 25 ft and what's the Landscaping going going there let me go to the side plan quick oops so yeah on top here you can see this ISS us one so what they're doing is they're widening the sidewalk to make I think twice as wide that what is now I think right now is a standard 5T left out Road they're widening That Sidewalk to be 10 ft 12 feet okay thank you um and then they have additional landscape between that wide sidewalk and what where they're going to have you know the outdoor seating and pavers and within their with their property is there a drawing of a section through it I I can check I haven't seen a drawing um I can check and see if the if the that's scale what's what's the sidewalk what's the trees what's the width of it I believe they have Mr chairman I apologize for interrupting but we're at 925 okay before you continue is there another motion to extend the time let him make the motion [Laughter] me have you here uh I'll make a motion that we go to uh 945 I'll second thank you we have a motion 945 everybody in favor say I I anybody against continue just um has if you could pull up the applicants PowerPoint and go to slide 50 there a zoom in the back Excuse me give us TV and also page uh 36 and attachment B has it as well slide 50 pretty Courtyard isn't it like it's TI mosaic tile yeah could you zoom in to the bottom uh left uh on our site sorry on key plan that's for this next one and scroll a little bit down and zoom in a lot more yeah so you can see I'll show you here one on the bottom left yes yeah move it up a little bit so you can see it in plan right here oh this is really off and that's a section there okay so you have that you know dying Terrace area you have a landscape and you have that wider sidewalk half of it is in US1 and half of it is in their private property and the standard not standard but the the landscape that's continuing um that you see in front of the Poo project they'll be continue that kind of landscaping um along here as well all thank you um this is a very important site it's some one that's left over undeveloped right next to the metro station and I remember when the metro rail was built that everybody thought that this was going to occur All Over The Line it's taken us from 1972 to today to start seeing those developments but it's the right development at the right site uh I really don't care if his students live there or not if the project is correct if the project is the right scale if it does what it's supposed to do I am all for it um the University of Miami is one of the most important institutions that we have and I didn't go to the University of Miami by the way uh in this city um and this building if it's going to be mostly students is going to serve the university well um and the students bring life to the City and bring activity uh use businesses money coming up from other communities being invested in Coral Gables which adds value to to this project um but I I'm I'm for the project thank you aier we're going from 77 ft to 95 ft 97 97 ft yes 20 ft two floors yes by right they can do 77 ft they still have to come here for a p well not by right with Med bonus with Med bonus sorry they've obviously gone well above and beyond the requirements for Med bonus I in my opinion in my opinion they've checked off every box twice um and it's a tribute to the architect for being able to solve the puzzle and the problem of getting this many units on that site however I have some real reservations with regards to the depth of the light Wells that they're going to be actually rather unpleasant I think they would be better served if they were brought down to 77 ft I don't think I also think that their poo would probably live a lot better and the trees would work a lot better if the building were down to the 77 ft with its Med bonuses and I wouldn't have a problem approving that project but I have a problem approving that project at this scale given the residential neighborhood the Capri right next to it the the the absolutely narrow narrow Alleyway which uh which exists now uh in muga which doesn't make any sense at all um and just the level of intensity one to another is is a compatibility problem in my in my personal point of view so I'm not going to be able to support this project the way it is so thank you very much thank you um without going over what most of our colleagues have said and I do agree with all the points that were taken here tonight I have to remember that we are a quazi Judicial board as a quasi judicial board we are here to hear the the testimony that's given to us by all the professionals we're not here for a popularity contest or what people might agree or what people may not agree um we have to rely upon the competent and substantial evidence that's provided before us the project I like the way the project is the height doesn't bother me so much on the 20 feet what I'm still unclear about is the traffic um to me I don't feel there's something missing on the traffic study or the way it's presented or the way it was given to me for me to be able to make a clear decision [Music] um other than that I don't have an issue with the 20 ft I don't have an issue with the p I think it's great um as far as it being a straw hat for the University of Miami I don't feel that are there going to be students there probably yes but there are developments and companies that go ahead and build projects that are specific for universities and around universities and we have to remember that the University of Miami is in Coral Gables and that and they are also our neighbors um my my biggest concern is the traffic study I'm not saying that it's wrong I just don't understand enough of it on the traffic study the way it is for me to say yes on the project I would love if there's a way to come back and just elaborate better on the traffic study I don't know if that's that's an option I would feel more comfortable as an individual and as a board member um I like chip traveled that road Hardy I travel it all the time and I actually even though a lot of times when I'm going somewhere I'll put ways on and it will take me through the road right through the thesis and when I see it's Tak me that way I just can't understand understand it because I'll never get across US1 to head south on US1 I just won't um but I think we all have to remember that we need to rely upon the testimony that's brought before us and I think that's important we all have emotions we all have feelings we all like a project don't like a project for me do I like it aesthetically yes but it's gone before the board of Architects and it's the board of Architects responsibility in my opinion for the city of cor Gables to approve the project once they approve the project then it moves forward and I'm not somebody to come and say it needs to be a little more in or a little more out that's to me that's not our our purview it's not our decision um but what does concern me is is the transportation study the traffic study that's there Laura you like to come up um I'd like you to consider a motion to defer because I think we can bring you some answers uh at a future date and more concise answers with respect to sewer capacity I know we've been meeting um and we have someone a utility coordinator as part of the project so I'd like to be able to answer you know we're going from what 8 in to 16 or whatever we're adding excess capacity um I think I'd like to work with our traffic engineer the project traffic engineer as well as the city consultant to perhaps present a traffic presentation that's a little bit more cohesive more coherent to give you informations on intersections maybe uh get some counts on some of the streets that were there um so that you have a fuller picture right and it may or may not change your mind but at least you're doing it with more information in your hands um and I think yes you're correct with respect to the board of Architects that's the assignment of the board of Architects is to determine the Aesthetics of the project and and and that but with respect to um you know the sewer infrastructure whatever answers we can give you there and information um I think that would be um important and um and we can you know provide information to you um but I do want to just address a couple of points that were made with respect to the standard um the standard The Landmark was under contract with the local developer with a confidentiality Clause a non-disclosure clause and while we wanted to come forward and let everybody know because I know you know me Sue that when I represent someone I go let's go let's tell everybody what it is whether it's Riviera school or golier or whatever um but we were not allowed to by the local developer so we had very little input on that design but from an operation standpoint yes in fact it is the ma majority of the um project is for students um but it is a project that has not had complaints doesn't have loud parties doesn't have we have checked with the police we have checked it is a project and uh that is immaculate in terms of what it has um and again while not everybody likes it students some of you know students will move into the neighborhood if they're living in the University if they're going to the um they find um ways to live closer to it so providing um apartments that are targeted for the university community makes sense when you're located on a very busy arterial and right across the street but I'd like to be able to defer and come back when we're able to put together this data and at least give you that information to to consider and specifically um there was a lot of information that chip asked for right with I think that's to me that's important he he really brought up a lot of good points well and I think if that can be an address in a coherent traffic presentation with slides or with something it it may or may not change your minds but at least you'll be you'll be making that decision based on data um that's targeted toward the the question and if I could ask one thing because the Poo was was supposed to do a traffic study every single year after it was built can you please incorporate the results of that yearly traffic study that the B was required to provide into your next report please well I'll make sure it gets provided to the traffic to the city's traffic consultant yes and we'll try to make it part of whatever presentation we put together for to address the the traffic is there a motion would anybody like to make a motion make a motion to defer a second we have a motion to defer ship a second any discussion I I uh just one second it's to defer time certain well let let's decide we're going to be deferring which item numbers first okay well first of all I think you have to defer one through six so the motion should be E1 through E6 defer and then we're going to have another motion on the rest of the agenda we're going to probably have to defer that too if we're going to be done today let's let's take let's take one through six first let's take one through six first are you talking about you'll be able to come to the next meeting so you don't have to read advertise and we can I I'd rather even if we have to read advertise I'd rather make sure that we have all the data and collecting some of these traffic reports and meeting with the traffic you know getting everybody to get everything they need to put together a really thorough burough and comprehensive I'd rather come back to you when I have that than so the deferral is to not a Time certain right but will require E6 and it will require read vertising we understand that that's fine you can do you can actually vote on the easement since it's it's really housekeeping it's just I would for me I'd prefer to just fine just me I I can't speak my motion is to defer items one through E1 through six until such time as we're notified by the uh and we had a second by Mr Withers any discussion yes yes sir Mr chairman there's something that you said that is for me a little disturbing you've said that the only people that should actually be in this room to testify professionally that that in your capacity as chairman of this board is that you said only professional substantial competent evidence that's not what not what I can you rephrase it because I didn't understand no let's read what exactly I said I said that we must well I'll make this easy go ahead for having to you have to base your decision on substantial competent evidence certain evidence can be lay testimony and certain evidence may require experts sometimes and in the case law sometimes traffic requires an expert test testimony compatibility in the courts have does not have to be expert testimony it can be certainly lay testimony so that that's but we are a quazi Judicial board no I so you consider all the evidence that is cons that is substantial competent right I just wanted to make sure that there's no doubt in anyone's mind that the neighbors that are testifying oh they're they're important they're important what they're testifying but the that they have on the traffic to me I'm not satisfied okay with the answers that that's fine but what I'm just to make sure I get this right the testimony from those neighbors based on their observations based on their quality of life can carry weight with this board that's correct the the line has to be drawn when you're looking at a project and somebody says well this is going to be a lot of traffic if the testimony is I'm sitting at my intersection right now and I can't get out of my house that's that is observation testimony right so what that that's a different kind of testimony so I think we're both saying the same thing and Mr chairman what I was doing is not trying to insult you what I was trying to do is clarify exactly right what what I've done my entire life sitting on this board before chairing this board before and and other quasi judicial boards because if not you know we we just don't have to have uh Neighbors come here they should just go straight to the commission because we only recommend commission actually approves correct that's correct but the uh the point this we have a we recommend but it is a quas Judicial board so under our code testim wasn't sufficient and and those witnesses can provide substantial competent evidence as well as the experts okay just thank you for the clarity sure we have a motion we have a second any other discussion so this is a deferral of E1 through E6 to no date certain correct call a roll please Felix Paro no Salman out of reasonableness yes CH WS yes Julio Gabriel yes s Kinski yes abis and sta yes thank you very much all right we're not done yet no no I realize that my question to the board is we have other items do we want to defer the other items or do we want to listen to them and next want to do if I may have a what I hope is a very simple quick item um the there's a city project that is predicated upon this closure so I respectfully ask that you allow me to there a motion I'll be as quick as possible listen to The Good Man is there a motion to extend to excuse me to what time I would suggest you make it 10:00 959 since Javier has an adverse reaction to 10 I have an adverse reaction 30 seconds I won't be here F so there's a motion to extend to 959 there's a motion to 959 all right all right we can do a voice votee all right yeah I I I I thank you okay ready set go it's not a traffic can I please have up no it is not can I please have the presentation up so wait wait a minute I have to read this first which item are we drive right away vacation E7 right okay item E7 an ordinance of the city Commission of Carl Gabel Florida approving the vacation of a public RightWay pursuant to zoning code article 14 process section 14- 211 abandonment and vacations and city code chapter 62 article 8 vacation abandonment and closure of streets easement alleys by private owners and the city application process providing for the vacation of the 70 foot wide builtmore Drive between Lots one and two in Block 25 and lot one in Block 27 Riviera section part 1 757 blue Road Carl Gables Florida providing for repal of provision severability clause and providing for an effective date item E7 public hearing so um thank you for hearing the item uh the purpose of this item is the state your name and oh I'm sorry Herman yes I am the polys director this for the billmore drive rideway vacation um the the section of billore Drive which you can see up in the screen was created by the Riva section part one Subdivision plat book 28-31 as recorded my the county claror the courts it was originally intended to cross the corate was Waterway but this connectivity is no longer feasible in fact if you see that lot that is called 25A that is the cor was Waterway I know you need to make the 959 but be a slower thank you so to the left you see the original pla as it was intended to be developed build more Drive was intended to go across the Waterway which is lot 25A and the 100t RightWay you see right behind it and to the right you see an arrow view of what the area actually looks like um the section of billmore Drive between blue Road and the Waterway was left unimproved so it's basically um a an empty lot so what we want to do is that we want to bade um that RightWay um which is approximately 14,500 ft now based on your typical rights to reversal this rer will be split in half the city owns the lot to the left this a private property owner who owns the other side so subject to an execution agreement with a buing property owner the city will be taking 3/4s to the vacation as opposed to half and half so we'll be taking a little more and uh for the purpose to have it incorporated into blue Road Park the park itself uh the current site is used to provide Waterway access for kind of Maintenance and the development of the part will retain that purpose um an initial cost of design meeting was held on October 21st in accordance with uh requirements of a grant uh which the city obtained for development this project that's a $200,000 Grant and there is a requirement that the park is completed by June of 2025 this is uh another closeup this is the boundary the approximately boundary of the park and then you see the empty space in between uh which is the rider that is being vacated the next thing is uh just a rendering of what the proposed Park uh what the park is being proposed um and um that is the end of the presentation so what is can you go back up two slides real quick please what what is the neighbor getting out of this deal they get so so we have 70 foot RightWay he's getting he's getting a quarter the RightWay that's what I'm saying so he's getting a quarter the RightWay maybe the neighbor helps pay for the park the the neighbor just kidding I'm just kidding okay the neighbor agreed to we're getting 34s or supposed to half which is standard in these cases and that's you know so that's just a protection between the neighbor's house it creates a buffer between the the the park and the neighbors absolutely but can the neighbor can't develop on it or anything like that is that correct it it is part of the property if they do end up claiming it so I'm not sure at that point what the setbacks will be or um in a park I don't when is our setback on public parks or the side setback on a public park yeah so it'll be incorporated as part of their folio right the vacated portion the one quarter of it I guess in this case I know what is the setback between a physical building and a public park there is there's no setback for next to a park no it's only side street okay okay otherwise it's treated as a neighbor so it's the same you know 10t or 15t whatever it is 20% of your side area yeah right he does which right now nobody's spaying taxes on it exactly I I mean I think it's reasonable because it's I'm sorry Mr chair reason because it's could you speak in the microphone pleas I think it's reasonable because it's creating a just a little more separation for noise and activity you know so it it seems to be a fair deal yeah I I have a concern sure through the chair um we're not providing any parking on this property right no okay and uh the neighbor Park what of the requirements of the grant is that it provides access to the Waterway is it physical access to the Waterway or is it just visual access no um the I don't believe that the grant requires that however the park will have some viewing uh cuz I see a drive or what appears to be a drive that BR that drive is there because we actually use that ourself uh the the poly department has a Panton and that's where we you know for official use it's not going that is for us no no that is that is for cuz that condition exists right now we need to maintain it because that's where we're Panton if we need to bring things out of the water way um we currently use that so we need to maintain that so that's not for public use that's for a city's own and the neighbors are good with the park the parks department has a very robust uh public engagement and they've done several public meetings on this matter and you know what you see on the park is what what the neighbors have expressed a desire to and in fact the park itself will be built into two phases because we have this gr and we need to get it done with a certain time period we don't have money to build it in one shot so portion of the part will be done now and then at a at a later year the water work will actually be added later um that was my concern I just want to make sure that we're not we're not providing parking because I already see people fishing off the other bridge that drive is mine and uh and it's going to be blocked off I mean there'll be some sort of correct I just want to go on I see looks like a gate from here but I don't see that well you know unfortunately I I I should have chosen a different uh rendering that show that area but yes there is a gate on that area I just want to clarify I'm ready to vote for it let's go cor thank you Mr chairman we need to find out if there any person speak want to speak on this item this item no no no Clos in public comment any uh discussion like to make a motion please to go ahead and approve the uh uh staff recommendation uh for the uh for receiving 3/4s of that um right away right away and then one quarter to the other name so we have a motion I approval of E7 accordance with Department recommendations yes we have a second second any discussion call the rooll please ja Salman yes chip Withers yes Gabriel yes zalinski yes Felix Paro yes abste yes uh Mr CH chairman I don't know what you want to do with E8 uh we do have nine minutes left and what do you want to do you have new business I would well I would move it to the next meeting Mr chairman move the I would agree okay so can we get a motion toer to the date certain then yes so moved so what what is the date of next meeting May 8 May 8 May 8th okay it's a motion to defer to May 8th made by Mr parto is there a second I'll second Julio seconds any discussion no call a roll please chip Withers yes Julio Gabriel yes zinski yes Felix Paro yes Salon yes abs and Stat yes thank you I did note that there was a discussion item there was a discussion item I presume do we need a formal motion defer that no it's a discuss it discussion item is for your homework by the way for your homework motion to adjourn move all in favor by thank you okay we did