##VIDEO ID:sYxPLodqt7I## where's the links recording in progress we're ready when you are fire when ready all right good afternoon the time is uh 4:02 or actually I've got 4:00 so we call it at 4:00 good afternoon welcome to the regularly scheduled meeting of the City of Coral Gables historic preservation board we are residents of Coral Gables and are charged with the preservation and protection of historic or architecturally worthy buildings structures sites neighborhoods and artifacts which impart a distinctive historical Heritage to the city the board is comprised of nine members seven of whom are appointed by the commission one by the city manager and the ninth is selected by the board and confirmed by the commission five of the members of the board constitute a quorum and five affirmative votes are necessary for any adoption on my on my right Miss Spain Miss Alvarez and Mr Bonos and on my left Mr Silva uh Mr Garcia ponds Miss quero D and um Mr Don we have uh one member missing uh Miss Rolando and who is away and excused I believe lobbyist in registration any person who acts as a lobbyist pursuant to the City of Coral Gable's ordinance 2006-11 must register with the city clerk prior to engaging in lobbying activities or presentations before the city staff boards committees and or the city commission a copy of the ordinance is available in the office of the city clerk failure to register and provide proof of registration shall prohibit your ability to present to the historic preservation board on applications under consideration this afternoon lobbyist is defined as an individual Corporation partnership or other legal entity employed or retained whether paid or Not by a principal who seeks to encourage the approval disapproval adoption repeal passage defeat or modification of an ordinance resolution action or decision of any City Commissioner any action decision recommendation of the city manager any City board or committee including but not limited to quasi judicial trust Advisory Board trust Authority or councel or any action decision or recommendation of City personnel during the time period of the entire decision making process on the action decision recommendation which foreseeably will be heard or reviewed by the city commission or a city board or committee including but not limited to quasi judicial Advisory Board trust Authority or counsel this is a quasi judicial board presentations made to this board are subject to the city's faults claim ordinance chapter 39 of the City of Coral Gable City clo I now officially call the meeting to order uh of October 16th and The Time Is Now 4 five present today as I've mentioned before are Miss Spain Miss Alvarez Mr BOS Mr Silva uh Mr Garcia Pon Miss J and um uh Mr Dano okay so we have approval of the minutes for meeting of September move to approve do we do we have the minutes okay no there are no minutes for this month sorry about that sorry Mr we'll bring those to the next meeting I thought there were so okay okay do we have the do we have a minutes from the previous uh that those were um already approved our what month are we in okay so we'll get that for a second yeah we'll get the uh September meeting minutes on the next agenda okay so we'll get that okay we're going to exp parte Communications please be at advised that this board is a quasi judicial board and the items on the agenda are Quasi judicial in nature which requires board members to disclose all expart Communications an expart communication is defined by any contact communication conversation correspondence memorandum or other written or verbal communication that takes place outside a public hearing between a member of the public and a member of the of a quasi judicial board regarding matters to be heard by the Quasi judicial board if anyone has made any contact with a board member when the issue comes before the board the board member must State on the record the existence of the expar communication party who originated the communication and whether the communication will affect the board member's ability to impartially consider the evidence to be prece presented regarding the matter okay are there any deferrals [Music] today um the only change to the agenda that I have is that 803 and as has been withdrawn um the applicant has worked with staff to revise the proposal so that a variance was no longer required so we're able to handle it administratively so which was that again 803 Anastasia is [Music] excellent COA um SP 20243 0 it's number two page six okay okay number two page six defer okay so case File 24 8189 um 24 20 24-30 is deferred okay it's withdrawn Michael I'm withdrawn it's number two case 5 SP 20 2430 page two page six item number two withdrawn withdrawn excuse me okay are there any experte Communications um any of the items on the agenda by board members at this time any item so I've been in the Boy Scouts with my son for the past six years okay uh Rick Lopez which is the partner for I think item number two is was a c Scout before me scout master before me and the one after when I got the agenda on on Saturday we were camping together in Camp Elmore and and I happened to have a long discussion on on General uh uh historic preservation because he used to serve on the historic preservation board in the city of of Miami Beach I did not specifically discuss this item uh but we discussed generally uh a property in the north cables which was coming to me which led to the conversation I don't think it it was in adverting I spoke to Stephanie before I did not really know that he was going to be the the partner presenting we never really discussed his job in any sense I learned this morning just want to make sure for full the closure I don't think Mr Garcia s is going to have a problem with that but H I just wanted to make sure that I was do you feel you can make an unbiased decision I do okay very good then okay any can you please use your microphone is is this better oh okay sorry uh I was part of an email that Chris rup uh who's the executive director of dat Heritage TR sent um I opened the email I realized it was about the case number two the um next designation uh 1414 gallano Street and so I closed the email I didn't respond to it um I did leave her a voice message telling her if I was on the board and she knows I'm on the board and is coming before the board please do not include me on any future emails she called me because she didn't hear my voice message and I told her that again so we did not discuss the case so you feel you can act absolutely very good okay thank you okay anybody else all right so we're going to open the public hearing up at this time for the first item no call the item oh that's right got to do this okay let's see here agenda the public okay we've got a public hearing swear [Music] in okay so we need to swear in um anyone in testifying today please rise and be sworn in all persons that wish to speak please raise your hand and be sworn in first you need to read the item that [Music] is there anyone on Zoom that needs to be sworn in you must be visible on Zoom to participate yeah one there's one person waiting if there's anybody on Zoom who wishes to testify today please raise your hand in the chat or indicate so we can bring you on camera and S you in please hi this is Danielle Gonzalez it won't let me turn my camera on but hopefully you can hear me yes this is Alex Adams I I'm afraid we're going to need you on camera if you could please give us one second and try again we're going to need you on camera to be sworn in and to testify and was you Elizabeth if you could please put your camera on as well and um we could have the court reporter once you're all on camera there we [Music] go okay could if we could please have the third person on the camera as well besides Miss Gwyn and um the gentleman who already appeared absolutely will you raise your right hands to be sworn do you s from the testimony about to give should be the truth of Truth and nothing but the truth [Music] indeed okay first item on the agenda today is a local historic designation case File lhd 20 24-10 consideration of locals historic designation of the property at 446 Navara Avenue legally described as lot one block three Coral Gable section B according to the plat thereof as recorded in plat book five at page 111 of the public records of Miami Dade County Mr chair um sorry to interrupt Deputy City attorney Stephanie Throckmorton do you mind if we take a brief five minute recess to make sure that this is something that can be turned off this alarm that's going on just before we begin this presentation we want to make sure everybody can hear and participate so if that's all right with you if we take a 5minute recess before we hear this item yeah we'll recess for a few moments thank you very much [Music] [Music] arrive Mr Maxwell Mr Maxwell can we can we um um briefly adjourn the meeting extend the recess more than five minutes we'll return shortly the meeting will be recessed more than 5 minutes and rejourn as soon as possible resume of course thank youbody please leave the the [Music] room e e e e e e e e [Music] for [Music] [Music] oh [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] okay we're going to rejourn the meeting everyone's back recording in progress okay the time is um I call it 4:20 okay we're going to go back to the local historic designation case File ld2 24-10 consideration of local historic designation of the property at 446 naara Avenue legally described as lock one block three Coral Gable section B according to the plat thereof as recorded in plat book 5 page 111 Dade County records thank you before the PowerPoint presentation uh is played can we get Elizabeth on the screen please good afternoon Elizabeth Gan historic preservation coordinator the following presentation is a brief summary of the historic designation report prepared by staff can you please play the PowerPoint thank [Music] you the property at 446 novari Avenue is before you for consideration for designation as is a local Historic Landmark it is a result of a historic significance determination filed by the owner the home was built in 1925 and 1928 by each George Frink and paston Stewart as per article 8 section 88-103 of the Coral Gable zoning code criteria for designation of historic landmarks a local Historic Landmark must have significant character interest or value as part of a historic IAL cultural archaeological aesthetic or architectural Heritage of the city state or Nation for designation of property must meet one of the criteria outlined in the code 446 navari Avenue is eligible as a local Historic Landmark based on three criteria historical cultural significance criteria 4 it exemplifies the historical cultural political economic or social trends of the community architecture significance criteria one it portrays the environment of an era of History characterized by one or more distinctive architectural style in criteria two it embodies those distinguishing characteristics of an architectural style or period or method of construction 446 Navar Avenue is located in Coral Gable section Part B a residential single family home neighborhood it's a sits at the southeast corner of navari Avenue and Hernando Street on a 50t by 113 ft lot it contains a two-story home with a detached garage the property is also enclosed by a low masonry wall oral Gables was originally conceived as a suburb of Miami and attracted investors from Across the Nation during the south Florida real estate boom of the 1920s mer Drew from the Garden City and City beautiful movements of the 19 and early 20th century to create a his vision for a fully conceived Mediterranean inspired city which is now considered one of the first modern playing communities in the United States nationally acclaimed landscape architect Frank button drew the first comprehensive maps of Coral Gables in 1921 and 22 one of which is on the left of this Slide the initial construction and Coral Gables was concentrated in sections a through D which were located near Merck's Plantation in section A in a direct vicinity of the Granada golf course as you can see from the plat map of section B on the right mer offered both large Lots near the golf course and smaller lots to the north and east of the course Lots in section B were first offered for sale on December 27th 1921 the home at 446 navari Avenue whose location is shown at the red arrow was built in 1925 in this early desirable section of the city building permits records indicate that navari Avenue became a well-developed single family home street by the mid 1920s like most early homes on navari Street it was originally a one-story and built on a 50-ft lot in September 1925 Miami Homes company obtained a permit for the home at 446 navari Avenue designed by H George fink a member of marrick's original design team it was one one story home with a triple arched front porch springing from Twisted columns and an arcade linking the home with the detached garage the elevation drawing of the front facade from things permit is shown here at the top of the ad on the right is a rendering of the home in 1926 the home was purchased in 1926 by former state Senator James Caulkins in September Coral Gables ran a full- page ad sharing why ckins originally from Fernand decided to move to the city he States I've been in every country and every town in Florida and I do not know of any place is desirable to live as Coral Gables on August 2nd 1928 Caulkins filed building permit 4103 for a 5500 Edition designed by Architects past and Stewart past like think was a member of Merck's design team and when the city Incorporated in 1925 Merrick named him the city architect the permit for the work is not been located to date however from examination of historic photos along with the Exon exterior and taking into consideration the dollar amount of the permit it is clear that pace additions included adding a second story in the are is marked as a on the aerial photo on the left as well as a one-story rear Bay marked as c and a one and a half rear stair hle marked as B in think's one-story home decoratively grouped round vents were installed above the first story windows in the parapets the parapet walls and the vents were retained when Pace Second Story was added they provided interesting clue to observers that the home was not originally two stories these are circled in red a closer examination reveals a change in Stucco texture where paay Second Story was added the red arrow points to the change in 1929 caulin also built a masonry perimeter wall which you can see here in the 1940s historic photo since both thinkink and Pace were members of Merck's original design team and since pace and Stewart's editions occurred occurred only a few years after initial construction and they maintained the Mediterranean Revival style the final 1928 home with the covered walkway the 1925 garage and the 1929 perimeter wall are all considered the original historic fabric of this property 446 novari Avenue was constructed in the 1920s when homes were built almost exclusive l in the Mediterranean Revival style in accordance with founder George Merrick's vision for a cohesively designed City Merck chose this type of architecture since he felt it harmonized best with South Florida's climate and lifestyle as described in the designation report the home and its auxiliary structure exhibit many notable character defining features of the style that include but are not limited to those listed here of particular note are the projecting recessed Bays roofs of varying Heights and types Barrel tile textured stucco front porch with arches springing from Twisted columns the scallop barge board the elaborate window surround on the front facade the shoulder chimney with the belfree cap the balcony Ensemble and the arcade the two-story Street facing portions of the home are comprised of a series of gabled roofs all pitched roofs of the home were originally clad in two-piece Barrel tile the current s tile was installed in 2013 the penetration of the home varies in size and configuration Windows were recessed en casement or fixed in type most have projecting Sills notations of the Miami day property appraiser records indicate that in 1990 the home retained all of its original windows in 2001 it was noted that some of the original Windows had been restored and the home still retain these refurbished windows in 2013 some of the Second Story and rear windows were replaced with hurricane impact Windows these are easily distinguishable as they kept the original mutton pattern but the frames and windows are much thicker than the original counterparts on the front facade nestled in the elbow of the two-story Bays is the front porch it is one story under a shed roof with carved rafter tales in the eaves historically a spindle screen door sat at the segmental arched opening of the front entry the screen door was removed and the opening became the front entry to the home prior to 2003 centered above the front entry on the second story is a decorative stylized scroll window surround further highlighting the front entry to the west of the front entry is the original screen front porch the arched porch openings spring from Twisted columns with three openings on the front facade and two on the side originally there were railings spanning each opening with spindles as seen in the 1968 historic photo they were removed when the porch was enclosed in 20 2 the front porch Ensemble was a typical and character defining feature of the Mediterranean Revival homes in Coral Gables to the east of the front entry is the protruding two-story front-facing Gable roofed Bay filling the street facing Gable end are a series of vertical plank barge boards with a scalloped Edge in the side Eaves are exposed carved rafter taals these rafter taals differ from the ones on the front porch thus distinguishing the fing design from the paste design the second story of this Bay was originally a sleeping porch it has a center full height opening flanked by a pair of smaller windows at ceiling height this is repeated on all three elevations the openings were not recessed like Windows of the home but beveled back to meet smooth surrounds the surrounds were initially painted to m match the screen frames thus reading as an element wrapping around three sides as seen in the historic photo of 1970 the West facade faces Hernando Street the varied size and fenestration configuration is clearly seen here apart from the replacement of the original casement windows there have been few changes to the historic fabric of this highly visible facade two major features are the chimney and the balcony Ensemble the chimney is shouldered at the first story level and Rises as a stack through the Gable Apex the top in typical Mediterranean Revival style evokes a belfrey the decorative balcony feature is centered on the Second Story the original metal balcony includes the large scroll supports scroll top piece and hearts in the pickets looking out onto the balcony are a pair of double casement windows with transoms between the windows is a niche that holds a column historic photos show that the balcony was always decorative and there were not doors leading onto it rather there was an inset below each window with a series of protruding squares which may be tiles this featur is currently overpainted the rear facade has three Bays the stair Hall at the southwest corner the back entry and the recess Bay that was the sleeping porch in FX design at the recess Second Story is a series of arched Windows the stair Hall is 1 and A2 stories under a shed roof with Arch Windows providing light this 1968 historic photo shows the unstructed view from the West facade the stair hole opens into the back Hall the back door is flanked by two narrow windows that also Aid in lighting the stair Hall a side facing stoop leads to the back door and at its east side is a built-in planter that wraps around the corner of the bay a covered arcade connects the home in the garage vink's arcade consisted of four pairs of round arches when past added the stair Hall he blocked the east side of the northernmost Arch and left it as an arched recess hence retaining the rhythm of the arcade it is currently painted red the arcade and the Eastern perimeter wall form a rear Courtyard space between the home and the garage it is covered in pavers in a double basket weave pattern the single car garage is a one-story under a flat roof with parapets is clad in textured stucco m watching the home in the arcade a pair of vertical plank pecky Cypress Carriage doors with strap hinges face Hernando Street and is approached by a pair of concrete St Tire strips in conclusion located in section B the single family Residence at 446 nari Avenue was amongst the earliest constructed in Coral Gables the original one-story home and stached garage were designed in 1925 by architect H George Fink for the Miami homes Corporation the home was purchased in 1926 by newly retired Florida Senator James E Caulkins who in 1928 hired Architects past and Stewart to add the Second Story both F and past were members of City founder George Merck's design team designed in the Mediterranean Revival style the property at 446 Novar Avenue is an example of the homes built during the founding years of the city it stands as a testament to am's vision for Coral Gables the property retains its historic integrity and it significantly contributes to the historic fabric of the City of Coral Gables and is part of a collection of cality buildings that serves a visible reminder of the history and the cultural heritage of the city therefore staff recommends approval of the local historic designation of the property at 446 novari Avenue based on its historical cultural and Architectural significance great are there any is there any further presentation by staff no I just wanted to um confirm that we did receive a public comment that was circulated to the board in advance of the meeting all the letters that we received were in support of the designation Mr chair if we could please swear in the director I think she missed it earlier and affirm these [Music] comments yes do okay great is there any one in the audience who wishes to speak in favor of this case is there anyone who wishes to speak in opposition all right hearing none we'll close the public hearing and return this back to the [Music] board questions Motion in favor of the just turn on your mic I'm in favor of the designation okay would you like to make a motion uh make a motion to um continue the process for historic designation what would be the read it off the um you want to read it off the U I am in favor of the consideration of local designation of the property at 446 naada Avenue a motion to approve and motion to approve if the gentle lady would allow for a friendly Amendment yes yes so we we have to have a second first oh I'll second it okay seconded by Mr BOS with a friendly Amendment okay so and so I would um you know suggest that we move to approve the historic designation of the local historic designation of the property at 446 Navar Avenue legally described as lot one block three corable section B based on historic cultur architectural significance specifically provided for three criteria outlined in the staff report that he has he meets the historical cultural significance of exemplifies the historical cultural political economic and social trends of the community is architectural significance it portrays the envir the environment in an area of History characterized by one or more distinctive architectural Styles and two embodies those distinguish characteristics and Architectural Styles in a period or method of construction some of those characteristics of this list is not exclusive our line is the staff report which uh provide for a thick cement meory block walls gliding textures stock c h rectilinear massing with projecting and recessing base variety of roof types low pitch roofs cabl shed glad and Barrel tie on flat roofs with par parapets a series of arch openings uh original front porch arches is springing from Twisted columns cover arcade walkways between the garage and the main home Crees casement windows of various sizes and configurations uh projecting Hills Elevate uh elaborate Windows surround in front of the facade prominent uh CH uh shouldered H chimney with a belf cap a a scallop uh barge board original metal balcony with a scroll support and Center column in Niche decorative place round vents built-in Planters low M parameter wall with several uh metal pedestrian gates with design matches the balcony railings and detached garage the Becky Cypress garage doors H and this is just a part of the exemplified uh report it the entire report as well as the um the letters ofice report and any comment made here should be incorporated as part of the motion may I recommend that you could simply state in future amendments that you would like to incorporate all of the comments and recommendations of the staff report I I I agree with with you wholeheartedly Mr chair I think what we've had in the past is that there has not been enough of a record illustrative of what portion of the report we want to uate so I know that is a little tedious but I just want to make sure that it is on the uh on the on the document okay Miss Alvarez I agree do you accept that yes okay great so we have a motion in a second Is there further discussion by staff I mean by the board any members of the board I would just like to say that clearly the 1920 5 uh one story designed by thinkink um and and then the 1928 paste Edition uh is is uh historic in its own right and that's part that's an important part of the code when you're looking at something that has an addition not only is it early but it's historic in its own right I wholeheartedly agree okay very good yes Mr Sila just one more further comment uh kind of piggybacking on what Miss Spain was talking about um this is not a pristine original 1926 original Pink House right it had the paste Edition it's had several alterations since um the enclosing of the sleeping porches uh being primary and changing of the windows and all that and as we know we designate what's there today what's there now uh I I concur I think that it is is worthy of designation but I just want to point out that it is worthy of designation even though it's been altered um these alterations I think are in concert they they keep the masonry openings they keep the massing they keep um kind of the original thought and feel of the of both the original design and the addition um so I just wanted to add that okay are there any other comments from board or any anything else to add okay like to call the question please and the call the role Mr dananana yes Miss J yes Mr Garcia Pon yes Miss Spain yes Miss Alvarez yes Mr Banos yes Mr Silva yes Mr Maxwell yes motion passes unanimously and it was an excellent report yes it was all right thank you very much okay we have the next item which is um case File ld2 24009 consideration of the local historic designation of the property at 1414 gallano Street legally described as Lots 12 and the East 15 ft of lot 13 block 32 Coral Gables Douglas section according to the plat therea plat book 25 page 69 of the public records of Miami day good afternoon Anna peris historic preservation officer begin or not the multif family residences at 1414 gallano Street historically known as 103 minoris Avenue is before you for consideration for designation as a local Historic Landmark it was designed by paston Stewart and constructed in the 1937 the application is the result of historic significance determination letter submitted by the property owner that was as per section um article 8 section 8-13 of the Coral Gable zoning code criteria for designation for historic landmarks a local Historic Landmark must have significant character interest or value as part of the historical cultural archaeological aesthetic or architectural Heritage of the city state or Nation for designation a property must meet one of the criteria outlined in the code 1414 gallano street is eligible as a local Historic Landmark based on three criteria cultural historical cultural significance criteria 4 it exemplifies the historical cultural political economic or social trends of the community architectural significance criteria one it portrays the environment in an era of History characterized by one or more distinctive architectural style and two and criteria two it embodies those distinguishing characteristics of an architectural style or period or method of construction the property at 1414 gallano street is a 65x 110 Corner Lot in the Douglas section on the property is a duplex in an auxiliary building that houses a garage and studio apartment it was permitted in December 1936 there have been no additions to the structures and they retain their original style and character it should be noted that there are two Street facing entries to the duplex and as ploted the original address for the property was 103 monores Avenue it remained the address of record until the mid 1960s it appears that by 1965 the legal address had changed to 1414 gallano Street Coral Gable's development history is divided into three major historical periods George Merck founded it in the early 1920s based on his vision for a fully conceived Mediterranean inspired City it is now considered one of the first modern planned communities in the United States the architecture constructed during this initial period combined elements commonly used in Spanish morish Italian architecture and has come to be known as the Mediterranean Revival style during the 1920s structures and amenities were built almost exclusively in this style the construction of the multif family residence of 1414 gallano Street occurred during the city's second developmental period and was amongst the early de buildings built during the New Deal era it aided INT in a it aided in introducing the city to a new architectural era as Architects began to embrace modern trends When developing Coral Gables merik purposefully embraced both the city beautiful and the Garden City movements Garden City precepts included apportioning sections of the city to to the specific uses and planning for various incomes in 1923 Merrick purchased portions of the Douglas Grove Fruit Farm from Pioneer John Douglas and developed it as a distinctive section with high-grade apartments that would provide housing affordable to workingclass Residents while the single family sections were intended to be quiet neighborhoods the Douglas section was clearly meant to be a hub of activity running through its heart was ponon Boulevard a wide Parkway and one of the main commercial thoroughfares in Coral Gables access to this section was through the Grand Coral Gables Douglas entrance which was hailed as the finest of all Coral Gables notable gateways the Douglas section now often referred to as North ponds retains this context to a to date in 1925 a series of apartment buildings were built near the future site of 1414 gallano Street and they were the primary context for past and Steward's design a decade later they were designed by architect George H H George fink a member of Merck's initial design team thinkink designed a series of two-story apartment buildings that each had the street presence of a single family home thus making them distinctive from other contempor contemporaneous apartment buildings in the Douglas section note the octagonal towers and the protruding entry Bay at 12 22 and 126 minoras along with the extended Eve at 124 men Mendoza Avenue these are features from which Pon Stewart took visual cues in this 1938 aerial this cluster of two-story apartment buildings is outlined in Orange and the arrow shows the location of 1414 gallano Street unfortunately as construction was ramping up in the Douglas section in 1926 the 1926 hurricane hit it severely tailed buildings building in Coral Gables a trend that continued throughout the economic depression of the 1930s and as a fault despite Valiant efforts Merck's Grand plans to completing his Mediterranean Spire City Ended as seen here recovery in the 1930s was slow as the decade wore on relief measures expanded during the New Deal Administration and people adjusted to a new way of life as a result priorities and Aesthetics changed this was reflected in all aspects of life including the types of residences that were built during this period only several hundred structures were built in Coral Gables the style of these buildings was a distinct parture from the ornamented and picturesque Mediterranean Revival style that had dominated the city's landscape since its Inception it transitioned away from the Mediterranean Revival and began embracing modern and National Trends in South Florida modernistic Art Deco emerged during the mid1 1920s and modernistic art mod during the 1930s however in Coral Gables the shift towards the new style styles was slow rather than fully embracing the modernistic Styles prevailing in other communities Coral Gable's architecture was a hybrid in a community whose early identity was so strongly tied to the Mediterranean theme it is not surprising that most Architects sought to acknowledge Coral Gable's Roots as well as Mer's desire for a cohesively designed Community thus while they embraced modern styles they also still retained Mediterranean Revival elements this transitional architecture which combines Mediterranean Revival with modernistic elements was not an isolated stylistic phenomenon which Coral within Coral Gables but was seen throughout South Florida it was however more pronounced in Coral Gables in the 1930s it was often called modern Spanish this unique hybrid type of Architecture is known as a Mediterranean transitional style in official style lexicons which uh it was also known as a Mediterranean modern or when specifically warranted the med Deco transitional the multif family buildings at 1414 gallano Street were designed in the Mediterranean transitional Style with influences from the modernistic art mod in 1936 RW holding Corporation acquired the property at 1414 gallano Street the president of the company was JW rickets rickets had been a member of of The Merck construction team as its onset and reported reportedly built um the home in Coral Gables in 1921 rickets an engineer and construction manager quickly Rose through the ranks and became the president of amic's Coral Gables Construction Company rickets hired paston Stewart to design the multif family residences Phineas Pace was a member of the Merck's design team and when Coral gaes was incorporated in 1925 merik appointed him as the city architect a position he held until his death in 1937 paston stward designed a host of buildings in Coral Gables hence the original owner and the architect of 1414 gallano Street were both deeply involved in theel M of Coral Gables and from its Inception they were well versed in Merck's vision for the Coral Gables and dedicated to helping Coral Gables grow and well positioned to meld the new modernistic styles with the TR traditional architecture of the City Pace designed 1414 gallano Street and Mediterranean trans transitional style it blended into character of Coral Gables in general as well as a specifically with FX distinction distinct 1920s apartments in its direct vicinity while embracing the modernis style of art mod it is almost it is amongst the earliest examples of the Mediterranean transitional style in Coral Gables the buildings at 1414 gallano Street are two stories and like Fink's Apartments present as a single family home with front Lawns the duplex is modernistic with its smooth stucco corner and port hole Windows horizontal banding and minimal decorative elements the low pitched roof of the duplex was originally clad in a barrel tile which was a character defining element of the Mediterranean Revival style the the auxiliary building has the massing of a Mediterranean Revival era garage with its flat roof and parapets as well as the style as the sty distinctive Barrel tile coping and decoratively arranged round vents the entries of the duplex also highlight both Styles the Manor's Avenue entry has a classical Mediterranean Revival feel harmonizing with the other buildings on the street while the gallano street is geometric and modernistic the windows also M both Styles rather than the modernistic larger Paine Windows they were Mediterranean Revival casements however they are modern steel casements with um some arranged sorry some arranged as modernistic Corner Windows additional character defining elements include but not limited to Features applied or arranged for overall horizontal emphasis such as the modern belt course regularity of window size and placement wide Eaves with boxed cornice ins sized horizontal lines and stylized eyebrow further discussion is provided in the design report built over a crawl space the two-story duplex is constructed with masonry block units and clad in a smooth stucco it is reg it is rectangular in plan with a two-story Bay at its northeast corner while the duplex is two stories it gives the impression of a low lower slung and hence a more horizontally oriented structure a pair of raised parallel lines from form a band that runs like a string course around the building as seen in this 1940s historic photo they were originally a different color giving it further visual height weight uh string course normally marks the transition of one story to the next here it is placed higher than the one story level and the windows of the upper story sit in the string course taking the place of a sill the result is a visual for shortening of the height of the building the shallow pitched hipped roofs with the wide Eaves produce a strong horizontal element that further adds to the force perspective of a lower more horizontal structure the hip roofs were originally clad in a two-piece Barrel tile and the current flat tile was installed in 2011 the penetration is another strong element that demonstrates the Mediterranean transitional style the openings are simple and recess in the modernistic fashion and without Sills or lentils to give the impression of rectangles cut out from the building Cube the windows were originally casements with a mutton pattern in the Mediterranean Revival trans tradition rather than the modernistic large pane windows however in Mediterranean transitional fashion they were modern steel casements with thinner muttons and transoms at the Second Story the casement windows are placed as the corner as Corner Windows which is character defining modernistic feature the windows sizes are consistent with which aids to the horizontal impression of the duplex versus the varied window sizes of the Mediterranean Revival style the steel casements were placed in the current awning windows sometime after 1970 and but no permit has been located to date the front entry features are the most ornamented element of the residents they were present they were they each present a different facet of the Mediterranean trans transitional style the East entry facing gallano Street has a modernistic flare while the South entry facing Manor Street has a Mediterranean Revival inspiration the Manor's Avenue facade faces some of Fink's 1920s apartment buildings and it was clearly designed to Harmon with them the facade is symmetrical and at the center is a small projecting entry Bay it is classical in nature with a tapered swooped roof hood and a molded cornice and insided horizontal lines simulating coins flank the the doorway the front door is original the flanking doors are rectangular built in planters flanking the door are rectangular built-in Planters whose brick coping extends under the door and creates the impression that the door Ensemble sits on a base which is most clearly seen in the 1970 photo here in these historic photos on the right also note the Koopa capped in Barrel tile reminiscent of an Italian badier centered on the hip roof this feature is not on not on the permit drawings but it appears in historic photos until at least 1970 also on this facade note is a simple port hole window bringing a subtle but characteristic defining modernistic art modern feature to the facade the gallano Street facade is asymmetric with an entry porch feature that is geometric and Stark in nature and puts a modernistic stamp on this facade the porch retains its cracked tile floor tile steps and a modernistic curved built-in planter the planter has a brick coping contrasting with its smooth stucco and provides another horizontal element the vertical plank front door with its now infilled port hole is original over the tiled entry stoop a stoop a square column supports the single rectangular roof slid between them is a stylized modernistic eyebrow that wraps around the bay window and extends to become roof of the back porch as well it should be noted that the metal clamshell awnings currently shelter most of the windows of the duplex and they obscure the visual impact of the eyebrow and other features the two-story bay window feature at the northeast corner of the residence is another melding of Mediterranean Revival and modernistic styles first The choic Echoes the octagonal Mediterranean inspired towers of 122 and 126 monores Avenue also two-story bay window is a feature associated with Italian architecture and on the East facade is it projects accordingly however on the North facade it curves into the plane of the facade resulting in a classic ship-like form common in art modern which is best seen in the 1970 historic photos here on the right overall the duplex's bay window is streamlined in a modernistic manner and with the emphasis of the horizontal banding of Windows stylized eyebrow raised string course and wide roof Eve on the North facade a screened porch provided another entry to the first story the feature is extant note that the eyebrow wrapping around the bay window extends to become the roof of this porch at an undetermined date it became legally necessary to provide a second egress for the second story apartment to accommodate this the Second Story window above the porch was enlarged to a door and an exterior wooden staircase was installed to the north of the duplex along gallano street is a two-story flat roofed garage auxiliary building a portion of it is still is visible circa 1940 photo shown here the structure houses a two-car garage on the bottom and a studio apartment at the top floor the apartment is accessed by a wooden staircase at the rear of the building this building is also in the Mediterranean transitional style in the modernistic fashion it's clad in a smooth stuckle in the Mediterranean vein in the building has parit with a barrel tile coping along the front grouped round Vents and windows that were originally casements the round vents are decoratively arranged in a line that Center the Second Story the building currently has awning windows permits for the change of the garage doors and the windows has not been located to date in conclusion 1414 gallano Street was constructed in 1937 in the Mediterranean transitional style George founded Coral Gables during the South fora real estate boom of the 1920s envisioning a fully conceived Mediterranean inspired city building boomed in Coral Gables until the late 1920s when the economy and other factors ended Mer's dream and construction ground to a halt when building slowly resumed the 1930s Coral Gables moved into a new architectural era overall the construction was sparse with only several hundred residences built and they represent a turning point 1414 gallano street is amongst those structures during this period Architects embraced modernistic Aesthetics but also sought to acknowledge Coral Gable's Mediterranean roots and Merck's desire for a cohesively designed City the result was a style that is now known as Mediterranean transitional the building was commissioned by JW rickets and designed by Phineas paste both of whom were integral to the mer team and deeply involved in the development of Coral Gables past's Mediterranean transitional design reflects that 1414 gallano street is amongst the earliest examples of the city from a comparison of historic photographs and the architectural plans with the extent fabric as well as an examination of the building per and Records it is determined that the property at 1414 gallano Street retains its historic Integrity hence the 1414 gallano Street significantly contributes to the historic fabric of the City of Coral Gables and is part of the collection of quality buildings that serve as a visible reminder of the history and the cultural heritage of the city therefore staff recommends approval of the local historic designation of the property at 1414 gallano Street based on the following criteria the historic cultural significance George Merrick purchased the the Douglas section in area 1923 and its Inception Merck stated slated Douglas section as a distinctive area of the high grade Apartments the multif family residences at 1414 gallano were built in 1937 during the city's second development period recovery recovery in the 1930s was slow but by 1936 permit dollar values were in the vicinity of a million dollars were they held steady for several years with imp implementation of the new deal and other incentives the building industry finally experienced a small Resurgence in the late 1930s and early 1940s the style of the few hundred buildings constructed during this second development phase was as a distinct departure from the ornamented and picturesque Mediterranean Revival style that had dominated the city's landscape since its Inception and it transitioned away from the Mediterranean Revival and began embracing minimal traditional modernistic masonry vernacular and Ranch Styles staff believes that that meets criteria for exemplifies the historic historical cultural political economic and social trends of the community and for its architectural significance where it portrays the environment of an era of a history characterized by one or more distinct architectural style and embodies the distinguishing characters of the architectural Styler period of method of construction which Pace designed 1414 gallano in a mediteran transitional style to blend into the character of the Coral Gables in general with thinks distinct 1920s apartments in its direct vicinity the buildings at 1414 gallano are two stories and like FX Apartments they present a single family home they are amongst the earliest examples of the Mediterranean transitional style in Coral Gables the duplex presents as modernistic building with a smooth stuckle corner and port hole Windows horizontal banding and minimal decorative element however it seamlessly incorporates elements of thinks Mediterranean residences thank you thank you are there any questions to the board by staff or for the applicant not yet so the applicant has a presid presentation they would like to make very [Music] good good afternoon Mr chair members of the board Mario Garcia Sarah with offices at 600 Brickle Avenue here today representing C gallano LLC which is the entity that owns the property at 1414 gallano the two principles of C gallano our married couple Todd Rubenstein and Danielle Gonzalez Todd is joining us in person today and Danielle is attending via Zoom as she is on a business trip I am also joined today by our expert Witnesses Richard heisen bottle and Willie bero uh Richard will be showing you a lot of images today as we make our case but I want to preface Richard's testimony with the discussion and the importance of certain words the first is quashi judicial not a term that we use every day but you've already repeated it a few times during during your deliberations today and it does describe the role of this board on this issue you're acting as a court here deciding as to who is correct as to the application of certain legal criteria to the facts before you it is long settled law that quashi judicial decisions need to be based on competent substantial evidence to be upheld competent substantial evidence is best described as fact-based evidence from a reliable and well informed Source on the topic that is very important in this context where we are discussing historical and Architectural significance First Impressions preferences Nostalgia a desire to see less Construction in order to preserve the environment none of these should be a basis for a decision here today what counts here today is whether the facts and an informed interpretation of these facts lead you to conclude that the building at 14 14 gallano is of such historic and Architectural value that it must be Pro protected and preserved in perpetuity that is a high legal standard to satisfy and we feel that it simply is not met here by the facts there are criteria which staff is citing to support their conclusion and I again ask you to give the key words in that criteria thought and meaning significance implies greatness or importance exemplify means to be a quintessential example similarly embodies means to be an ideal example not just the building with a few characteristics the very designation term we are discussing today Historic Landmark means the building of such historic and Architectural value that is an essential part of our history lastly architectural styles are well defined and we feel that that Mediterranean transitional is not an architectural style with that said I would introduce Richard heisenbottle Rich is one of the most uh important professionals involved in the historic preservation movement in Miami date County in these last 40 years he has been involved U excuse me he has degrees from both the New York Institute of Technology and the University of Miami his firm has been involved in about every major historic preservation project in Miami including the freedom hour Miami city hall the Olympia Theater and the bmore hotel rich is a former member and chair of this board and he definitely qualifies as an expert in the history of architecture [Music] Rich Maria thank you very much for the the kind introduction uh and let me uh ladies and gentlemen uh say hello and um and introduce my associate Nina Caruso Nina is our director of historic preservations services at RJ husb Architects uh and is going to assist me in this uh presentation today so let me start by saying good afternoon after our fire drill uh and my name is Rich heisenbottle I'm president of RJ heisen Architects uh and I have many fond memories of sitting up there on the same di that you're sitting on as as first a member and later chairman of this historic preservation board uh today I'm here because Mrs Gonzalez Mr Rubenstein owners of 1414 gallano engaged our firm to review the local Historic Landmark designation report prepared by our excellent staff uh and to share our findings with you I am uh um as many of you may know over the past 37 years my firm RJ ha for short has become synonymous us with saving many of our community's most important landmarks we have um nearly every kind of preservation service that there is within our firm we have completed over 25 studies uh evaluations recommendations historic designation reports District reports you name it sometimes my work has included negotiating with the federal government to save structures like the chal block when I was president of dat Heritage Trust uh and and sometimes our our work uh involves pro bono work to save things like the Coconut Grove Playhouse so you probably all know of our extensive background in restoring more than 67 of our most prestigious uh landmarks including a four finest paste or past and stored buildings uh that we have uh under two of which we have under restoration right now so it is rare when I take exception to a historic designation I respect the reports that staff puts together and I respect our staff for 14 14 gallano our review focused on analyzing the information presented in the staff report assessing whether the criteria for designation was actually met my analysis concluded that the criteria for designation for historic for historic designation has not been substantiated in the report as you all know section 8103 of the corable city code establishes the criteria for designation of historic structures and districts and it states quote buildings are of national state or local importance are AR are of of historic significance that's one of the important words if they possess Integrity of location design setting material workmanship or Association in order to qualify for designation as a local Historic Landmark individual properties must have significant character interest or value as part of the historical cultural archaeological aesthetic or in this case architectural Heritage of the city state or Nation these two initial criteria for evaluating the quality of significance serve as a threshold that a property must meet before proceeding to the next phase of Eligibility Therefore several critical questions should be asked when considering this General criteria does 1414 and I'm going to not use the word gallano again does 1414 we'll nickname it meet the initial qualifying criteria for designation does 1414 possess Integrity of design setting materials workmanship or Association I think the answer is no does this property have significant character interest or value to qualify for designation once again I think the answer is no what does it mean when the city code says significant character interest or value to qualify for designation the definition of significant as defined by dictionary.com depends on what generation you're from I used Webster means the definition is sufficiently great or important to be worthy of attention now the dictionary.com definition having or likely to have influence or effect does this property have significant character interest or all you to qualify for designation the answer is an emphatic no nothing is great or important enough about this property to be worthy of attention and the property will not yield or influence or affect or illustrate the course of history now putting the the Prelude to our code aside uh in addition to meeting those two initial qualifying criteria 8103 um of 8103 the eligibility of any potential Historic Landmark or local historic district shall be based on meeting one of the following criteria listed in in that subsection and staff has listed three criteria let's start with criteria B for the moment regarding the criteria of architectural significance criteria one is how it is referred to uh in your designation report the property is supposed to portray the environment in an era of History characterized by one or more distinctive architectural Styles staff's summary of signific ific an classifies the property as Mediterranean transitional style and describes it as Mediterranean Revival with modernistic elements in the section discussing the second development phase of Coral Gables and Mediterranean transitional style staff mentions that the new construction style being built in Coral Gables between 1927 and 1924 encompasses minimal traditional comma modernistic Art Deco art modern comma modern vernacular comma and ranch and were a departure from the Mediterranean Revival it seems to me understandable that staff is struggling to determine and describe the identity of the property through through its Style throughout the designation report descriptions and and classifications include Mediterranean transitional style AKA as I said before Mediterranean modern Med Deco Mediterranean transitional with influences of art modern style modernistic style streamline modern style modernistic art modern this demonstrates to me that 1414 is genuinely a med of styles a hybrid rather than a defining distinctive architectural style in the history of the architecture and Architectural Heritage of coral gaes the building possesses features of the Mediterranean Revival style but its modern modernistic influences like art mod dilute the architectural Integrity associated with that style in addition to the art modern and streamline modern styles the property also includes the international style hence the modernistic style influences the so-called Mediterranean traditional style was at best a brief phase that did not significantly shape the city's Identity or long-term architectural Trends 1414 does not represent a pivotal movement in Coral Gable's architectural Evolution other buildings from the same era better reflect the transition to modernistic architecture reducing the historical significance of this property nor does 1414 acknowledge Merck's desire for a cohesively designed community more on that later in the year 2000 the City of Coral gaes commissioned a Janice research a very well-respected uh historic preservation firm uh at the time to prepare a historic resources report to survey all of our historic resources within the City of Coral Gables for future needs and to propose expanding the business district in this report 1414 is identified as masonry vernacular Virginia McAllister author of a book called a field guide to American houses kind of one of the definitive books on style um states that vernacular architecture is more commonly called American vernacular 1930 to theid present this style refers to Regional architecture that calls that recalls an area's architectural Heritage paraphrasing from her book Holes had good bones were understated fit easily into any setting identified features of the Style Style are simply geometric forms simple geometric forms covered porches and balconies with unadorned porch supports no fancy columns no Twisted columns none of the good stuff that we love to look at here unadorned railings uncomplicated roofs and walls clad with a dominant material stylish stylish details are not present I believe that 1414 gallano is better classified as Mediterranean vernacular which implies a lack of style as identified by Janice research in their report the building represents a conglomeration of styles and is by no means distinctive a distinctive style of architecture the property's architecture consequently shifts away consciously shifts away from the Mediterranean Revival style and lean towards the art and streamline modern and international Styles it is not Mediterranean traditional AKA Mediterranean modern or Med Deco as staff would have you believe um I have to ask uh how many of you have heard of the Mediterranean transitional style Mediterranean modern Mediterranean Deco well um in my many years uh as historic conservation architect I have never heard of any of these Styles described as a distinctive architectural style which as we all know is a requirement for historic designation masonry vernacular refers to architecture that blends various local and Regional Styles as I said before and due to the resulting mix of non distinctive elements staff is compelled to create a new label for this architectural ambiguity and to just to justify the case for historic designation to qualify under criteria two let's move to criteria two the property must embody distinguishing characteristics of a style period method of construction property presents character defining features of the Mediterranean transitional style is is is how staff reports it let's let's review these features that's uh that staff believes uh justify this number two let's review them together and make a decision for ourselves crawl space elevating the building the multif Family Residence above Florida's low water table this is not a character defining feature thick masery walls clad in smooth stucco this is not a character defining feature a shallow hip roof with extended Eaves and boxed cornices initially clad with Barrel tile now finished with white cement tile yes this did have once upon a time a characteristic of a Mediterranean Revival style the barrel tile but the property's roof has previously been altered and no longer POS possesses this characteristic modernistic corner and port hole Windows Corner windows are a characteristic character defining feature of the international style and port hole windows are part of the art m style features applied and arranged for overall horizontal uh emphasis such as the modern belt course regular ly regularity of window sizes in placement wide Eaves with boxed cornices incised horizontal lines stylized eyebrows as well as round vents decoratively arranged in a line none of these are character defining features of the soall Mediterranean transitional style these are character defining features of modern architecture likewise minimal decorative elements are characteristics of modern architecture two-story bay window with stylized eyebrows that extend to become front and back Porsche roofs are also not character defining features these are simp this is simply a bay window with horizontal extensions at the second floor level this is not a stylized eyebrow modernistic front entry with a curved planter is not a character defining feature classic Mediterranean Revival entry in swooped Hood incised lines simulating coins molded cornice and original plank doors Mediterranean Revival Hood with horizontal band on either side of the entry are you kidding me modernistic regular window openings with no Sills or lentils to give the appearance of rectangles being cut from a larger Cube again none of these are character defining features the summary list modern architectural elements such as smooth stucco Corner Windows port hole Windows horizontal banding and minimal decorative elements all these elements listed except for one are associated with the modern style they are not distinguishing characteristics of a distinctive architectural style distinguishing characteristics are defined let's try dictionary.com again as those quote marked by Excellence or made conspicuous by Excellence end quote there is nothing excellent about this property especially compared to the other properties designed by paston Stewart again with emphasis while these features of the Mediterranean Revival and modernist style are present they are not as required exemplary or particularly distinctive within the larger landscape of George Merrick's Carl Gables in addition to lacking distinguishing characteristics the property has several alterations reducing its Integrity the original steel casement windows were replaced with awning windows in 1970 the original Barrel tiles were replaced in 2011 with flat cement tiles window AC units are just about everywhere metal awnings have been added over all window openings and there's a wooden staircase and a raised deck area in the back on the North side elevation that that certainly does not do any justice to paste and store these alterations all downgrade the properties Integrity of design materials and workmanship let's talk about historic and cultural significance for a moment criteria four would require that the property exemplify the historical cultural political economic and social trends of the community the property is generally described in the context of the City of Coral Gable's second development phase the aftermath of the 26 hurricane the Great Depression and the New Deal wartime activities various sections of the report briefly mention the hurricane and the Great Depression and the New Deal relief the reader is left to somehow surmise that the property is somehow part of a historical or cultural Trend because of these influences while these are hints at essential connections staff does not surmise or state how the property exemplifies the community's historical cultural political economic or social trends for example yes a lack of financial wealth and material led to reduced architectural ornamentation however there were many other factors at play which staff fails to connect or acknowledge staff also points to the involvement of notable figures like like Phineas past and JW rickets as evidence of historical significance while the role while their role in Coral Gable's development is absolutely undeniable 1414 gallano does not singularly exemplify a trend in the city's history that would warrant Landmark status briefly mentioning the history of the Douglas section and the impact of the hurricane and the Great Depression and the New Deal and saying it was designed by Stewart is not enough to prove that 1414 was part of a historical cultural and economic Trend after evaluating this Criterion number four professionally I find that it's not substantiated our research has revealed that at this time in history more significant and complex factors influenced the changing attitude towards architecture worldwide for example the international Congress of modern architecture was founded in 1928 Michael remembers back that far this organization was responsible for a series of events across Europe and spreading the principles of the modern movement conferences were held in Switzerland in 1928 and Germany in 1929 and Berlin in 1930 and 1933 even in Greece the information this information informs us that modernistic architecture promoted this Theory before the Great Depression in 1933 3 years before 1414 gallano was constructed the centry of pro progress International exhibition was held in Chicago I certainly remember learning an awful lot about that in my history of architecture classes several articles about Miami D County's participation in the World's Fair have been located these articles tell us that past was the architect in charge of the Florida exhibition of buildings and the exhibition showcased Miami's past and present Robert L weed venas past Harold Stewart presented the tropical home at this Exposition the tropical home is truly modern architectural work it gives us insight into the future of architecture and suggest that the new contemporary architecture influenced past in stored it is also an exceptional and outstanding example of their work certainly worthy of its historic designation that it has this research aims to better understand larger more significant historical cultural political economic and social trends it led to the conclusion that much larger forces were at play worldwide influence architectural design when 1414 is compared to the outstanding work of Robert LED Pace Steward on display in 1933 in the Chicago World's Fair the Florida home of Tomorrow exhibit the differences cannot be more striking Cas casting even more doubt over the supposed historical significance of 1414 gallano ruminating over the research thinking about it a little bit led me to question how much of this design can be attributed to the hands and minds and the minds of past and Stor the permit for 1414 was issued in December 1936 and Phineas past died just a few short months later on May 3rd 1937 after what newspapers called a long illness this suggests that Steward may have had more influence on this design it should also be shared that we looked into Steward's architectural training now we know we know that past was an echo ech de Bazar graduate well Stewart which attended Syracuse University just before the start of the modernist movement Syracuse architectural program acknowledges that that European modernism seeps into architectural schools at that time it is entirely possible that Stewart was introduced to the modernist Trend while in school many examples of st's work other than 1414 TR exemplify modern architectural Styles and are exceptional including one that we're restoring right now at um the Pan-American World Headquarters U building at Miami International Airport another critical time in history to properly understand how to place gallano in its historical context is the New Deal era of Coral Gables government funded Construction in Coral Gables during the Depression 1929 1939 maintained harmony with the city's standards although its design and ornamentation were limited it Incorporated elements of Mediterranean Revival style of architecture familiar to Coral Gables these buildings comprise the police and fire station 1939 the Coral Gables Women's Club 1937 mat's hammock Park Fair trial tropical Gardens the police and fire station another paced and stward building that we all know well is classified as Mediterranean Revival with decorative depression mod elements and the Woman's Club is classified as depression mod note the use of depression mod here an accepted and known distinct architectural style of architecture WPA architecture often called pwa modern or depression modern is a style that emerged during the Great Depression and was used in many Public Works projects and the common features were lack of ornamentation flat Barrel roofs smooth exterior surfaces vertical fenestration openings linear building elements square corners stone masonry the cores Women's Club a fink building was built in the same year as gallano and is listed as depression mod with Mediterranean elements interestingly in 1950 Miami the Miami Herald article reveals that in 1946 an attempt was made by the board of Architects to relax the rules to permit modern Trends however the populist rallied strongly in the defense of the status quo and the Mediterranean one over the mod the int of mentioning the attempt in 1946 was to reinforce the same decision made in 1950 to uphold Merck's design standards and enforce the Mediterranean style the same principles are employed today when evaluating a property for historic designation it is critical to compare it with similar properties to understand its context its Integrity in this case 144 is surrounded by Superior examples of masonry vernacular or true modernistic designs that are all better preserved some might say that that these are more representative of this movement in architecture there may be Mediterranean Revival buildings with modern element influences and there may be modern buildings with Mediterranean Revival elements but this does not create a new architectural style one2 and and 1010 Douglas Road and uh 32 calibria Avenue are within the same district and examples of what staff calls Mediterranean transitional so why focus on 1414 which is newer and has far less significance we conducted a windshield survey of the Douglas District to understand the composition of architectural Styles and the Douglas district has described as the apartment section since its beginning in 1924 our survey demonstrated that the Douglas section is a mix of mediteran Revival and modernistic multif family homes and apartments considering the quality and integrity of other paced and stored buildings the ones you're looking at right now the names of which you all know by heart that are designated it is fair is it fair I ask you to place 1414 gallano which does not exemplify a recognized architectural style on this list with subpar architectural features that are not distinctive or distinguishing without a proper architectural identification or historical context the answer is no is it fair to place 1414 on the same list as all the other great works by paston Stewart truly significant Works big small such as the Douglas entrance the colonade the Deering Estate the dire Federal Courthouse which is our out to bid by us right now the Coral Gable City hall or even that that wonderful 1101 North Greenway where I wish we we lived these buildings embody architectural style reflect architectural Trends and are more deserving of preservation than 1414 will ever be 1414 pales in comparison in terms of architectural style and historic significance in simpler terms Preserve serving 1414 adds little to no value to the overall historical fabric of Coral Gables given that other more prominent Pac and stored buildings are more deserving and already protected in the Douglas section North Ponds Apartment District based on our detailed analysis we conclude that 1414 while possessing some elements of architectural and historic interest does not meet the rigorous criteria necessary for local Landmark designation specifically it does not have significant character interest or value as part of the historical and cultural and Architectural Heritage of the city its design Integrity has been diluted by its unsympathetic additions its historical role is more incidental and undistinguished than exemplary and distinctive within the broader Coral Gable's architectural narrative we have demonstrated beyond the shadow of a doubt that 1414 neither is neither exemplary nor significant enough to Merit architectural designation I recommend that the city consider a more comprehensive evaluation of all the properties within the coral gaes Douglas section District to ensure that only those with exemplary characteristics are designated as historic landmarks moreover I recommend that this board reject the motion to designate the property at 1414 gallano Street and that they ask that as a courtesy that before any demolition take place that the owner document the building in Habs format and that those drawings be stored in the city archive in the police and fire station building thank you all for the courtesy of your attention I look forward to your judgment are there any other presentations uh Mr chair I'm going to ask Mr bero to present some testimony it should be considerably shorter short yes be five minutes and then two minutes for me to wrap it up so I'll ask Willie to come up now I'll tell you a little bit about Willie also graduate of the University of Florida School of Architecture where he graduated Magna Kumi and he is now in his 49th year of practicing architecture The Firm he founded bermo Hamid was recognized as the largest Hispanic owned architectural firm in the United States longtime Carl gaes resident and one of his first major projects was the restoration of the mer house Willie thank you will May with address at 4711 South Lun Road and uh residents at 1238 Malaga um I had eight pages of comments which now reduced given the fact that when you follow Richard heis and bottle your presentations get Abridged very quickly so I'm just going to share with you some just some observations um calling 1414 gallano a property that I lived across from when I lived in mendas my parents was first moved into the gables in 1963 to call it a conglomeration is is really trying to be nice it's a combination of bastardized styles it it has really no style to speak of the report by Janice in the year 2000 I think it's interesting when it refers to it as masonry vernacular and if I could just read into the record what it actually said I'll quote it from the report itself it says the term masonry vernacular style is somewhat of a misnomer as vernacular implies a lack of style to be more accurate vernacular buildings are designed without imitating a specific style but they do reflect stylistic influences modest in design vernacular buildings tend to be simple largely ornamented unornamented and constructed out of readily a available materials it's basically a yism for kind of mediocre mundane average uneventful the chairman when he started his describing what we're here to decide upon use the word worthy and I think words matter words are important their meaning should matter if we apply that definition of masonry vernacular I would say all of Westchester hiia Overtown would be masonry vernacular it would all describe all of those areas I've been an architect for 49 years and I think what I'm going to say probably The Architects on the board will relate to in those 49 years I have designed signed and sealed approximately some 200 buildings some award winnings some not but my firm has been the architect for almost more than 2,000 projects with the name bero a and I will tell you that those other 1800 more than likely I didn't even touch so what my colleague just said about fenus past who is a phenomenal architect and his work needs to be preserved when it's worthy and he does have many many worthy examples this one is not you have to wonder if you're about to pass away dying from respiratory diseases are you going to be on the board pushing the pen the pencil at that moment in getting this work done so you have to ask yourself could there have been some other hands not Steward and not past because we all know in our offices that depending on the size of your office at least in my I will tell you that you're not there in everything at every point in time so you have to ask yourself if you have examples that are worthy that are significant and all of a sudden you have one all you have to do is drive by do a wial survey which doesn't really cut mustard maybe you're giving credit for something that maybe we should not be giving credit that's all deserved and one final Point since the Book of Genesis man has been giving names to things right we call a snake a snake a three a three the Moon the Moon this is a table or Podium so it's understandable that when you see something that no one recognizes you give it a name so they gave it Mediterranean transitional Mediterranean Deco Mediterranean modernism and if we stayed long enough we will probably come up with four or five more but the question you have to ask yourself is there anywhere in our zoning code where we celebrate Mediterranean Revival that's part of our bonus that you see the words Mediterranean transitional Mediterranean Deco or Mediterranean modern as what any architect can do to get the med bonuses because those are the styles to be celebrated and to be preserved I I think not it's not there now this is not an indictment on staff I get it you have to write about something you have to describe it because that's what they're doing they're trying to record they're trying to explain to you what they're looking at but I think that what we're seeing here is a real stretch it's a real stretch to try to catalog this example of this structure that happened to have a title block of Steward and paste as a work Mr chair that is worthy and I think that's a test is it really worthy under any one of the categories culture archaeology architectural Heritage Aesthetics it doesn't cut the mustard thank you very much and God bless thank you very much Willie uh chair and board members based on the testimony presented I submit that the con competent substantial evidence is that Mediterranean transitional is not an architectural style even if it was an architectural style 1414 gallano is not an Exemplar of it especially considering that the city's own previously commissioned analysis of it concluded that it was a masonry vernacular building and lastly that 1414 gallano does not embody the high level of architectural quality to make it a Historic Landmark we ask that you vote to deny this proposed designation and will'll Reserve sometime if necessary to rebut any additional testimony that might be presented into the record thank you very much are there any further presentations from staff or any about this thank you all for your patience and um just to quickly respond to some of the um comments that were made uh so this was an application as mentioned as a historic significance determination letter that was made by the applicant by the property owner uh we are looking at the significance and the um elements of this structure as an independent building within the city's Fabric and how that affects the city's historic fabric um taking into consideration we are not trying to say that this is Phineas past's most excellent work and we recognize that it is different from some of the ones that we are more that more are more recognized within our city as our distinguished landmarks or are more um Standalone independent important buildings um as to the style of the Mediterranean transitional this is something that has been recognized by the city of Miami Beach it was also recognized by Janice research in a 2004 survey that was provided to us for the City of Coral Gables and is something that we implemented within this application because it is one of those properties that sits on a cusp of uh development of architectural changes that was happening with in what the city had and what was available to people developing at that time so we find it to be important as a part of our history even though it's not our 1920s Mediterranean Revival that um we all know and love today but it's another distinct era of our city that we need to continue to preserve um and with that I'd like to ask um Kouts the assistant preservation officer to come up before um sorry Mr per please go ahead Mr um just could you repeat again please because uh Mr heisen spent a lot of time talking about the 2000 Janice report right so we did there was a 2000 Janice report specific to the Douglas section the North Pond section we have a separate there was a separate report for um remind me of the area it wasn't Douglas it was alhamra it was a different report but is a recognized style that Janice um pointed out to in um that 2004 report that that Mediterranean transitional that you and also um the city of Miami Beach's historic preservation office has also recognized it and they claim they say Mediterranean Revival Art Deco transitional Med Deco 1920 to mid1 1930s thank you there so I just wanted to um a couple points bring to your attention or remind you if you're not aware the City of Coral Gables is a certified local government it's in your report it's on like the second page you've probably skipped over a thousand times um it's a program administered by the National Park Service and the state historic preservation office by registering as a CLG and the city was one of the first the city agrees to abide by preservation standards and uh the city is obligated as one of those standards to tell the story uh and identify and protect resources that contribute to the story of Coral Gables over time the city uh the history of the city does not stop or freeze in the or with Mediterranean Revival architecture it continued to evolve and this is a structure that continued that Evolution um the city never wholeheartedly embraced modern styles like Deco or M because of how deeply the city was associated with the Mediterranean Styles it was uh and is the basis of the city's identity and change was slow in the city because of that the architecture is a thoughtful execution to multif family residents that acknowledges the city's Med Revival Foundation while embracing modernistic Aesthetics and is among the first in the city that ushered in this style the architect repeatedly made reference to the property not being exemplary or notable or Superior property does not need to be a standout or prime example in order to have significance it just has to meet the criteria and it does nowhere in our code do we rely on comparative analysis each property is evaluated on its own Merit so because you're comparing it to City Hall does not make it any less worthy of designation it is on its own basis does it meet the criteria outlined in our code this property absolutely does um we did not designate based on the architect of the property it is not cited as one of Phineas Pace's best examples um it was important to note him he was a member of Merck's original design team supervising and then the city architect so he was very familiar with Mediterranean Revival architecture and helped to Usher it in he also knew how important that mediterian tradition was to the city so very thoughtfully incorporating the two modern and the uh Med Revival um so I also wanted to point out too that we have in the past designated properties that are Mediterranean transitional there are at least six other properties um doing a quick study um some very recently we've designated 2020 20 um 2214 sovia was 1935 Med transitional also past and stward designated in 2020 6808 San vienti 1936 also paston stward designated in 2016 and we also have um others uh there's one at 3317 Toledo that was designated in 1997 that calls out the importance of this transitional architecture to the city so I just wanted to bring that to your attention this is not a new request that's come before this board thank you thank you is there anything additional by staff at this time okay you're going to finish up yep if I could just have about one minute robotto to discuss you know what was mentioned right now but important clarification on the reports and the historic surveys there's one in 2000 By Janice that's the one that identified 1414 gallano as Mason rever vernacular there's apparently another report 4 years later 2004 which discusses the Mediterranean transitional style but I'm not clear if I don't believe 1414 gallano is part of that discussion the the fact that Carl gaes is a certified local government I think we're all well aware we just don't think that 1414 gallano is part of that story of Carl Gables over the history of this city lastly we're also aware that building does not have to be a great work by a noted architect in order to be determined to be historically significant ific but it does need to be significant and that's what we're talking about we simply do not think it rises to the level of significance thank you thank you are there um any presentations of support on behalf of this project from the audience or on on Zoom uh yes we have somebody on Zoom I also did circulate the public comment that was received in advance of the meeting to the board and there were letters um of support for the designation in that if you'd like I could write read out the names but um I'll let them speak at zo and then then read them later thank you Mr chair while we bring um this individual up on the screen I don't believe they were sworn in earlier so if they could please have their camera on and be sworn in by the court reporter before they testify they need to be sworn in the person oh no he was public comments you're on hello yeah I'm on the phone I'm not miss carbonel we're hearing from someone else at the moment please hold on okay sorry okay hi for me uh hi uh my name is Alex Adams I live at 50 Minorca I live about five blocks from this site and my parents actually live a block from this site uh very familiar with the neighborhood love playing at Philips park there um and so I'm invested in this neighborhood and rooted in the area uh what's best for our city I am also a former uh help board member as you there today and former preservation officer for the City of Miami um I actually just had the city manager and other staff in the neighborhood around this site yesterday asking for General Cleanup in the neighborhood and looking to really uh make you know Coral Gables as great as it can be and I'm going to be very clear and concise um I've spent you know over an hour on this call and uh I appreciate all the information but um I don't think it's that complicated uh I I look at this structure compared to the last one presented here today and there's no comparison I look at this structure compared to uh the walkup apartments in this general area um there's some great examples and there's no comparison or even the other buildings on this block that were previously uh considered historic um and were developed by vas Bost and others um we do not want to start designating hodge podge of styles this is the only thing that creates the sense of place in Coral Gables you can go anywhere anywhere in South Florida and cre and see Hodge pod you can go anywhere in the city of Miami and see uh you know one facade looks one way and one facade looks the other way and we're not quite sure what we were thinking in that day and I hate to come up here and and you know object against what staff's reports they're usually the champions for our historic preservation in this city and we really value the historic appeal but not just to be histor not just to be 40 years old but that it really creates the sense of place of Coral Gables so I would ask you one question which is does this create the sense of play of Coral Gables is this an example that we want to preserve and that we want to look back on and say that was a great piece uh whether it's of architecture of a certain person of a time period of a neighborhood there are many many many other better pieces in this neighborhood in which I live um we don't want to start describing things as quote a melding of architectural Styles or a combination multiple types on each facade I would argue with you that probably the most historic feature on this site is the accessory dwelling unit that was ahead of its time it's something we talk about today granny flat it's actually a stable Style of its own um that's probably the best thing on this site uh and this area of the city like I said I live in it it needs Redevelopment this area were stifling development in the north Pont Coral Gables and I I almost feel like Mr henot may have seen my notes here if I wasn't there personally but uh because I I wrote here that I was going to suggest that this board ask and I know it's been done before to do a holistic study of this North Pon area because it's unfair for developers it's unfair there's two lots just north of here on Antilla and and I've looked at on myself other developers they're not going to look at those sites because one of them out of the two they're two owned by different people but um we don't you don't know what's going to happen you can't reasonably forecast what's the value of the site um we need to sck to back to the architecture not development we need to stick to Pure architectural Styles and examples we need to designate the best I I agree you know something can be significance if it's in a historic district something could be contributing which is another word to say it's it's good enough but not great but if we're going to have individual designations it should be great I disagree it should be great it really did should and we have great examples in Coral Gables this is one of the best places um so I don't want to cheapen other existing historic buildings and this is a cheap knockoff it's a tear down and this is not an example that this neighborhood wants to preserve please do not freeze our neighbor neighborhood um and that's all I have to say thank you very much thank you and thank you for your time okay we have other people on Zoom yes are they have they um been sworn in as a reminder if someone is not able to appear on camera and be sworn in it shall not be considered sworn testimony but rather just public comment for this Sport's consideration okay great go ahead then miss carbon hello um yes I'm here this is kelia carbonel and I am president of the historic preservation Association of Coral Gables and you have our letter of support for 1414 gallano and I I do have uh some additional comments and I've been listening obviously to The Experts and with all due respect to Mr heisen B I um I I I do um respect all his research but um you know I must say that um this whole thing about this home uh you know just being a unicorn and or not home the duplex being a unicorn and that the style is you know obviously you know not an official style and now obviously we know that it is an official style it was referred to on the Janice report and um you know there are other properties designated as Mediterranean transitional um according to the very well researched staff report um this home is is part of a very unique era of architecture and I think it fits very well about this Mediterranean transitional because if you go back through the evolving of the Styles it really transitioned into to the the architecture was transitioning into a more art mod Art Deco but this retains some of that Mediterranean so it is a very important style and it's I I believe maybe of you know according to the staff report there other homes I think a few other homes uh under this style but um but this would be one more home and we we should not take away from that and I feel all the the presentation was taking away from that importance um architectural Styles as all of us know are different and Coral Gables and not just about Mediterranean we we we we are inclusive um with many unique Styles um we even have brutalists in our in our city we have uh our our modern contemporaries and so to say that because the style um is you know Mediterranean transitional shouldn't count please um and and again take into consideration that you know this is the Battle of experts and uh you know and and I really um really appreciate the city staff putting together this very very uh important presentation and report and you know um about a hodgepodge type of you know architectural Styles um you know we're very I I believe that's why Coral Gables is so unique it's because we you know we were founded on Mediterranean but we've evolved into many other styles and we appreciate all those Styles like children we appreciate all our unique children so with that please take into consideration and and don't dismiss that this home or this duplex this property Not only was designed by one of the most prominent uh two prominent Architects uh fineas past and Howard Howard Stewart but um but it is a style of the era it is part of the historical era of cor Gable so thank you and um and hope you know hope the home gets designate thank you are there any other um anything else okay is there anything else from anyone in this in the audience that wishes to speak on in favor or against this proposal U just for the record to read in the names that we have the letters of support we received please um the letters were from um Ilana s uh Christine rup on behalf of the date Heritage Trust um kellia carbonel on behalf of hpac Jamie and zulie Paro and Mr bis okay is there anyone that wrote against no thank you okay hearing that there's no other presentations or other comments we're going to close the public hearing and we're going to take this back to the board Bard you've heard a lot today Mr Garcia PS sure I have a question for staff can I do that now please so this is a question for staff um we've heard um presentations regarding the Mediterranean transitional style I know that we've talked about it before the information that is in the staff report is that the extent of what is in the city's definition of what Mediterranean transition style is so we don't have anything specific to the like the transitional style I think this is a summary of what the architectural style is that to give it context within the report and was it based on it's based off on the information that we've then researched through all the referral you know references that we have in our report and then using the context from the other reports we've received from Janice Miami Beach and then putting together the the clues of what that transition looked like from Mediterranean Revival and um the more modern um architecture and the references that you mentioned do those other entities have a a a written definition of what met Mediterranean transitional styles are do they have a Graphic like we've seen a lot of these architectural Styles described yeah so the the page that I have from the Miami Beach website has a brief description uh would you like me to read it sure or just no there okay um so they say the Mediterranean Revival Art Deco transitional Med Deco in parenthesis Circle late 1920s to Mid 1930s Med Deco in Ocean Beach was a synthesis of Mediterranean Revival form and Art Deco decorative detail this unique hybrid style became a fascinating bridge between the familiar and the new as the Allure of Art Deco found its way into my into the Beach's architectural vocabulary clean ziget root lines and crisp geometric detailing replac scrolled parapets bracketed cornices and classical features on the structures of clear Mediterranean Revival form likewise sloped Barrel tile roofs rested gracefully on edifices with spectacular Art Deco entrances and facade treatments some of the most celebrated architects in Miami Beach designed structures in this brief lived style including VH nelan Bogan Henry Hooser and T Hunter Henderson the predominant exterior material of Med Deco was smooth stucco with raised um or incise details featured stucco areas were often patterned or scored Keystone either natural or filled and colored was frequently used to define special elements Windows ranged from wood and steel casement to Wood double hung and then some examples of their contributing structures in the style include 344 Ocean Beach Apartments 2011 well I keep going but that's perfect thank you may I ask a followup to that so I noticed that on page 29 of the report you have listed character defining features of the Mediterranean transitional style as it relates to this property were you referring to those resources when you made this list of the character yes and and similar to the same list that we use for our mediteran Revival so and I have another followup when you just read that was that from something that was written about the style in one of their reports was it from an email that you received this is specifically from the Miami Beach website what I read about the Mediterranean I think that should be um added to the uh record the record and uh if this through the chair another followup so Mr heisen made a made a point to accentuate the many modifications that have been done to this building since its exception okay which in his reading of the record um and just looking specifically at this property I sort of get upset that we're comparing with everything else if we're going to look at the property let's look at the property right MH that there were things that were taken away that have been modified that essentially at at this point in time don't make it any particular style can you sort of answer that point what do you think that the fact that there's no Barrel the barrel TI is not there anymore does the addition of this of this a staircasing on the side which was not original to the structure there was the addition of the awnings I me think you take the awnings off but the modifications of the windows all those things I mean you could restore the property but how is that how do you answer his position so the every meeting we designate buildings that have had modifications these buildings are nearly 100 years old there's going to be changes to the structures some reversible some that are not in this case the footprint of the building the Ming of the building the material of the building mostly is intact the window openings the door openings the the form of the building is there uh changes to windows are common and reversible those awnings the the shutters that were installed can be removed the roof tiles had it been has it been if if it were to be designated and a roof permit was pulled we would request and require that it go back to its original roof material so there are ways to bring these details that we list in our character defining features back to the building Mr Silva just one more question Miss Peres if you don't mind um and referencing this the same thing I'm I'm very comfortable with with the roofing and the massing and the masonry openings and the windows for the reasons you just described um I did have a question though it's it's unclear to me uh looking at the original permit drawings the there was some stri stuckle striations that seemed to be original and there was a very thinness to that to that porch overhang that was original as well um sometimes we see the original drawings were not follow it in construction so it was never built like that um is is this a case where that happened do you know like that that kind of parapet that was stuck on the on the on the porch overhang I wasn't there during construction but so we reference a lot with the Circa 1940s photo because it is relatively the most recent photo we would have on file for it to see so some changes may have been made at the time of construction and others you know I think some of the things that you read like The that and it was mentioned in the report too is it's painted a little bit different once you paint the building all one color you're not going to really see some of those details as as prominent as you do in that 1940s photo um and again these are 100y old buildings that you know close to that change over time so Miss Alvarez do question question no not at this time Mr Maxwell I had something there was a lot of follow-ups to my first question please go ahead um so I think my vote isn't really predicated on architectural significance but um I just want the historic preservation officer to State a vertly that Mediterranean transitional is a distinctive architectural style in the city of C gaes so do you I want you to say that it is or it isn't oh yes it is so the historic preservation officer yes we recognize it as a distinct style for the city of C okay um so that's the end of that one question now um I don't have a question for staff I have more of a comment for the board in case anybody wants to have questions okay m d did you have another question um I'm good thank you Mr Silva jaier I enough for for them would like to talk to Mr Hen bottom but but I don't know if Mr B do you have a question I wanted to talk to Mr Hen bottom not to staff so I just want to know if we're going to do a round with that go ahead yeah ask your question okay so anything else for me I'm sure sir yes so on Criterion two um you made a You made a point to sort of uh diminish the the sistic significance of the building uh but the staff goes out of his way to talk about the period itself okay and that is part of the Criterion too that we can also consider and it's an or right we can it could be one of the things that we that can be considered separately so they have gone out of their way just to simplify that for this period you know post uh huran post uh grade uh part of the grade depression the the the U there was a transition and the building was uh was designed in a way that was simpler because of just the nature of the material why is this this uh not a period what is this building not a good example of that period and and and without that Style and what should we not designate because it's part of a period in corg Ables that is unique to the area this building is a conglomeration of styles we very deliberately used comparative Styles in our presentation to you guys and highlighted those from from from from the modern to the The Deco uh and and pretty much everything in between and we found all of that in this sort of conglomeration of 1414 and that's why we don't we believe 1414 does not meet the the criteria of the code which which calls for a distinctive architectural style it's an it's it's a everything style uh all conglomerated together and and in spite of what what my good friend Anna over there and I mean that sincerely um said to you uh it's not written anywhere in in the code of the City of Coral Gables it's not mentioned as a style Caesar um yes the city of Miami Beach has it listed as a style in one of their historic districts um but this is not this is not what the code requires you to judge it requires you to this to have a distinctive architectural style is it distinctive no it's a conglomeration we've seen lots of buildings from here to hiia that are that are conglomerations of different styles a little this and a little that and and that's exactly what what we think is wrong with designating this it doesn't have the Integrity that answer my question thank you thank thank you any further discussion yeah I have um discussion for the board this isn't a question for anybody so I think um putting aside architectural style I believe I think Mr BOS was talking about the the embodies the architectural period um and I would tend to agree with the architectural period being of significance um which is architectural significance number two um as well as historic cultural significance of the economic trends of the time right I think regardless of the hod podge of architecture um regardless of the style the fact that there is a duplex um of a style designed as a residential home on a major corner with two fronts that has some hearkening of the evolution of an architectural style um is interesting architecturally I think they the word was interesting I agree it's interesting um but the fact that it is an an example a very good example of what happened in that slide that showed the construction from the 1920s all the way to the 1930s when it was flat the economy of that time and the social trends of that time and the architectural period itself is obvious to me um and I think as Cara mentioned in the beginning of the presentation it doesn't have to be the best of everything it just has to meet those criteria and it's hard for me to not see those two things um I could probably be dissuaded of one of the three but two of the three seem pretty clear to me i' like I'd like to jump in because I feel the same way on that staff has met um has met the standards for two of the criteria basically because we never rely upon a comparative analysis uh number one so even though I know the argument's been made that other buildings from the era era better exemplify this architectural moment um we just have to look at this building as it stands on its own and I also look at this as an important a transitional phase I believe periods of transition can also be very significant I have comments m b okay so Mr heisen bottle I think you're just flat out wrong I apologize I I consider you a friend um but I've always been fascin fascinated with this style when I first came to Coral Gables before he started working for the city I drove around the city and noticed that there were these buildings that had Mediterranean and Modern Art mod and you pointed out the one on north north um Greenway uh I think it absolutely is an architectural Sky style it's prevalent in a snapshot of time and Coral Gables that's important to the history of Coral Gables um and I I I think that it's in I absolutely think that the architectural style is important to the history of Coral Gables that's number one um there is a criteria that that is also one architectural significance that says is an outstanding work of a prominent designer a builder staff didn't qualify that as this and so that whole argument escapes me um and also I don't think we need to compare it when we to other buildings but we certainly don't need to compare it to the very large Civic buildings that were shown in in the presentation um because it's just not applicable um and also I thought it was interesting that you show that 1950s argument um of The Architects and I believe that those were the Architects on the board of Architects that wanted to switch to a a more modern style and they appeared before the city Commission in Coral Gables and I did the research on that when I was a preservation officer and I there was a whole file about it because I was also fascinated with that uh H George fin was a um a member of that that appeared before the commission and wanted to be more modern and the fact that the city didn't uh Embrace that I think that's even more reason why this snapshot of time that has this transitional style is important to the history of the gables because it was uh in the scope of all the buildings done in in Coral Gables that there may be less of those available so I think we need to save all that are there and I think this is an excellent example of it thank you Miss Alvarez Mr B anything further anything further Mr Silva Mr I want to hear what what you have to say um so Mr heisen started his presentation um saying that the building has to pass the significance test right it has to be worthy of attention and I think something we're struggling with is that not a question just a comment Mr heis um is that this style of architecture is specifically designed at to be modest and to not call attention to itself because it is an embodiment of kind of this this Depression era and and kind of cost cutting and and and more modest and and we shouldn't be comparing it as Miss B said to to the more cic buildings that should be more important and should read more in the fabric of the city um so that being said um the I think that this does embody kind of a moment in the history of the city that needs its story told there transition time right when Architects and you can clearly see it in the building are struggling with this transition from Mediterranean Revival getting influence by the tropical conference by the 1928 conference they seeing all these things and and they're you know we didn't get from the horse to nuclear power right there were steps in between went to steam went to electric and and these buildings are are a Visual History of that right so I think that they are important and I think that that fact falls under uh Criterion A4 which is exemplifies the historical cultural political economic or social trends of the community right um the the issue of style um is I think there is a Mediterranean transition style but in all honesty I think that we we need to Define that a little better moving forward right I think that's because if not we're going to kind of keep having the same discussion over and over we need to for future we need to do exactly what you suggested right and what you suggested Mr Romeo and what you suggested Mr Garcia S is to go back and look and do a comprehensive analysis and kind of come up with concrete guidelines for buildings that maybe don't qualify under other um criteria I I do believe that this one does qualify under A4 at least um so the the building itself um the and has been modified agreed um the windows have been changed the tiles have been changed um and these buildings have such Simplicity to them that that any change gets magnify um which is which is an issue um but these changes can be handled right a roof has a lifestyle that is hopefully less than the a lifespan that is less than the lifespan of a building so as we replace the roof we can replace it with a with an appropriate material if it gets designated today same with the windows um what what cannot be so easily changed is massing masonry openings things like that and and this building does preserve those in their entirety almost pristinely from what I can see um so so I do think we can do some more work moving forward on these but but I do believe that this building I definitely believe that this period needs to be is a significant period and that this style is a significant style um I am comfortable designated under criteria A4 um and moving forward if we clearly design what the style is and means I'll would be comfortable clear uh doing it under additional criteria very good Mr Bon do you have another comment well I'd love to be the on man out in this group so I'm not as Learner in architecture as the rest of you my concern with this particular property and what I was hoping to hear for Mr um for for Mr heisen that for whatever reason it wasn't there was some argument that there there wasn't a unique period or wasn't part of a unique period for the city the concern I have is the building itself is just too generic okay the the the way maybe maybe the simplistic aspect of it I think is being modified significantly and you know just looking at it exclusively just looking at the period not entirely sure that it's distinctive enough or have a particular style especially a style that the staff report you know if if if a beligerant could look at that report and plug holes through that particular designation and that particular classification because of you know one of the things that is exemplified in that in that document you have all those yellow characterizations in which you have the same idea named in a multitude of ways okay so in order for us to approve that that that that uh that um that report at least as a stands today or at least to rely on it in order for us to designate we have to very tightly determine that what is the nature of this style so that it we're not subjected to the argument on the part of Mr heisen bottom that this is just an amalgamation of different uh criteria okay because uh and it has to be a situation where it is beyond reproach the notion of this is an absolute example of whatever that that may be from my estimation reading the report that I received for someone who's a Layman who doesn't have perhaps the the uh the um you know who's looking at it as an attorney as opposed to looking at it perhaps an architect it's not sufficient competent evidence for me to make a determination uh as to whether or not I should be making a determination of of of accepting the uh the property the only way that I may get there is about okay this is this for this period of post the war it might be an exemplification of that but there has to be a clear definition of that in order to get there and to approve the designation under that particular classification under this report I am afraid that we're very very susceptable to the decision of this board being overturned okay so that's that's my my a concern I have I will be a no vote uh for or at least a vote for denial of of this particular designation at least because of of the of the way it was presented uh to us and the classification as it was presented I I I understand my colleagues May disagree with me but that's what I turn into I just don't think I I've received sufficient competent evidence from me to make a determination that clearly evidently without objection modifies the rights of this applicant okay to the nature of this property that limits his ability to do XYZ with his property rights and It ultimately may do a detriment to overall historic designation in the city if we are not tied on that end so if we build a record that makes sense we build a record that is complete happy to vote for it okay I'm just I don't think I'm there Mr chair can I make one final quick comment um from a legal standpoint I believe there is substantial competent evidence in the record as detailed by staff to support designation and that's just um my opinion thank you is there any other comments from the board if not the chair will make a comment the chair's comment is as follows Mediterranean architecture is made up of Italian it's made up of Spanish it's made up of German it's made up of anything all architecture is made up of multiple styles of architecture which preceded it you know the the testimony today has sought to denigrate a style that was done in a time of shall we say severe economic hardship and we know that all styles that are done in economic hardship suffer details so this house this particular property meets a criteria of being of its time and of a style that has evolved to suit the Mediterranean requirement of the City of Coral Gables at that time with a more modern appearance and so I believe that it meets the criteria of what we have so with that I'd like to close the board meeting and we'll move to a vote no we need a motion oh we need a motion yes Mr chairman can I make a motion so I'd like to entertain a motion Mr Garcia pond so I before I make the motion um I love that qualified experienced people can disagree uh and I think the um presentation by the U owners Consultants was fantastic so thank you for that um and I I'm going to make a very surgical motion so please listen to the words carefully and see if you agree or not or have a friendly Amendment um motion to approve the local historic designation of the property of 1414 Alano Street based on their historical cultural and Architectural significance specifically that it exemplifies the historical economic and social trend of the community and it embodies the distinguishing characteristics of an architectural period period that's my motion is that clear for the record I believe so I will second okay we have a motion by Mr Garcia Pon a second by Mr like to call the role no any discussion oh any further discussion excuse me I'm moving ahead of myself we we do need to have discussion if that motion is so that's that is the motion as you said it wased so further discussion Mr BOS no I think anyone else I think that that I I take Mr Garcia P's perspective well I just don't I I I politely disagree uh and I just don't I don't see in order for the period to be identified to be a particular to be a period that has a unique style to it I think there has to be a description of a style that in my mind is sufficient enough to get to get there thank you it doesn't say style architectural period period I apologize it has to be a period that has a particular description that this property is exemp is an example of that perod you've made your point thank you okay just want to I just just to politely disagree but that's thank you any further discussion well sorry Mr chair is there is there a friendly amendment that you wish to make no no no but I I I'll leave it to to your estim I think it's if it's going to survive that's that's the best motion that you can be made I would like you to add the third criteria because you uh this this is an amendment you'd like to add yes I would like to amend it to add the third criteria and the reason being that you only need one I mean when it when if we end up designating this and it goes on appeal and the commission doesn't feel as if that the architecture style is there which I would disagree with but um they can they can just designated on the other two but I don't know go ahead Mr chair may I please I we do no I'm done no Miss SP I I appreciate that and and I I'm on the fence about that style issue um the reason I I I think you made a very good motion is because it eliminates point of Doubt right and you might right and we all know that that if if it goes to appeal and there's there's one spec of doubt they're going to harp on that and harp on that and I think I think it's important to be clear and to base our our motion and our decision on fact and I think that factually we can say what Mr Garcia P's motion all right then I withdraw my Amendment okay all right so is there any further discussion we have a motion and a second on the 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recording in progress you're good okay there we go um I'm trying to go where the where's the roing issue which one we we're going to move the agenda around here just for a second but I've got to I've got to get myself up here on which one it is Mike can you get your microphone on yeah there we go okay Cara which is the roof issue that we're going to we're going to move that show which when we this is uh 1801 Cordova which I believe is number five three three three yeah okay great yes three1 okay so we're going to move the agenda around just a little bit to accommodate some folks here and we're going to go for case File COA SP2 24- 031 application for the issuance of a special certificate of appropriateness for the property at 1801 cordiva Street a contributing resource within the Obispo Avenue historic district legally described as lot one block 3 Coral Gable section c according to the plat thereof is recorded plat book 826 of public records Miami Dade the applicant requests an after the fact design approval for the installation of an s tile roof thank you so and would you make sure that the applicant has a piece of cake more importantly the applicant's child has a piece of cake so can I have the PowerPoint back up please why this isn't going okay um location map of the property it is part of the obese Avenue historic district that was designated in May of 2008 uh District boundaries are Cortez Street on the East and feran Street on the west um this property is considered a contributing resource within the district it was designed by kinsport and Bloom uh in on a permit issued in 1936 um alterations have been made to the to the residents this is um how it looked in 1940s um but due to its age and relationship to the streetscape and being one story and its uh sort of sighting on the street it was deemed a contributing resource to the district so this is um a little bit complicated of a of a case um but I'll try to be very brief so there was a permit that was applied for um that uh to re roof the house the roofer as part of the application uh the description read Tas Barrel clay um the application documents uh the notice of acceptance which is the controlling doc doent for the roof was for Barrel tile a twopiece barrel tile there was reference made to um in in a board of Architects application as a as a Vera like catalog page for color and they had they had highlighted the red and highlighted also the s tile but the NOA was for Barrel so we approved it with the note that it says you know approv two-piece Barrel Tile City architect staff did the same thing as well as part of their approval it said Barrel um staff me when I go to do the inspection I'm telling your whole story I'm sorry you can just interrupt me so went out to do the inspection noticed that it was in fact an s tile that was placed on the roof and not uh a barrel so I rejected the inspection uh the same day that I rejected the inspection a revision to the permit was applied for by the contractor to substitute s tile um so historic was not included as a reviewer on that revision permit and it got approved they recalled the inspection I went out saw the s tile I rejected it again said listen your approval was for was for Barrel um and then that's when they called me and said oh no no we have a revision it was approved so we reopened the permit added historic as a reviewer and we rejected it saying it needed to be Barrel owners unaware of all this are here now before you to ask to keep the s tile so yes thank you thank you all um please your name and and address yes of course so my name is Arthur winborne and I um am representing the roofing company here and this is Lauren fine who is the homeowner hi of the home in question yes hi guys I'm Lauren and my husband's not able to be here I'm so sorry and if my child makes any noise I also apologize no need to apologize we all we all had kids right no and yeah thank you guys for um accommodating and moving us forward um it's been fascinating to listen to the um the hearings that have happened so far um so actually uh and also thank you to Cara and Anna and the team um it's just in their correspondence with us it's been very helpful and actually their account of the situation is consistent with ours um is is I did a review on the on behalf of the company put together um maybe less sophisticated presentation but the facts are you know the same um and so but a few things just to highlight so one um was this was the roof before we did the re-roof last year which you can see has the s tile and this this home has been designated as historic um Lauren and her husband purchased it believe in 2023 um and so we're we're not sure at what point it was designated historic and whether at that time it was as tile but um assuming that since s tile was the most recent and it was designated as historic there are other features to the home that make it historic um and important for that reason that that go beyond the s tile um so anyway so um Lauren they they they had obviously significant damage to the roof and so contacted us to do the re-roof and you know we executed it in a timely manner just to make sure that um these guys were comfortable you know in their home and safe in their home and um as Cara uh was saying there there was an initial permit that um was a little bit ambiguous and and we do agree as you'll see sort of on the third page that um the most specific um designated tile was um was the Single Barrel so we do agree with that but just as as it's sequenced out in the permit documents you first see the just unspecified Vera clay um second you see the brochure picture that she um referenced which has highlighted the Spanish s which when we were communicating with Lauren um you know we had selected um and then so in in you'll see this entire packet has this has the approval seal but to Cara's Point further in the further in the document it does specify um barrel and and that that was was you know what what they were approving so we fully understand that and recognize that now the the the s tile is what was installed um we recognized that there there was confusion in in sort of the documents which is probably why um this was a year ago so um I wasn't the one you know that executed the order but the order was probably executed you know noting this sort of confusion in um in what was asked for um by the customer so anyway all that to say we agree with the facts um now the permit revision was submitted to say because as as I as I understood it the uh first the in progress inspection was rejected due to inconsistency between the tile that was installed in the tile on the permit and um and so we submitted the revision and this is when it this is when it seems like the revision went to two bodies the board of Architects and the city but did not go to the historical board um which and I think Lauren might have more information on that but which had it gone to the historical board at that time would have been rejected and and we we would not have continued with the progress on the roof and then when final inspection happens um the the the uh the inconsistency is realized and and it's rejected by the stral board which of course we understand but um um anyway that's that's sort of the situation I think from from hearing the hearings today it seemed it it sounded to me like the very first home that was reviewed had some estile components and also um from the fact pattern of of this being designated historic before and at it possibly having s tile at that time um makes us think that there are other aspects of the home that make it historic um and then now Lauren I think can speak to the more practical side of what the the uh changing of the roof would would lead to for these guys hi guys um so I'm not here to speak for the roofer your name for oh I'm so sorry my name is Lauren fine and I am the owner of 1801 Cordova Street thank you um I'm not here really to to debate the facts I'm here to just simply be an owner and a citizen of coral gaes who's caught in a very unfortunate sit situation it seems um we closed on our house in March we moved in in May I'm going to kind of recap our letter cuz I'm not sure that everybody read it prior to the meeting upon inspection we knew we had one active roof leak upon moving in we found out we had a second it was causing mold I was pregnant I have a toddler so it was in my best interest and my family's best interest to move very swiftly to replace this roof that was 20 years old we vetted four different companies we did all the leg work and we went with A&E because they are very reputable and they do you okay and they do a ton of work in Coral Gables um and had lots of certifications and only positive reviews so we contracted with them our contract is for the Vara as tile I think what stood out to me the most was that in this permitting process and of course I forgot I failed to mention we're from New York so we are not you know native miamians we don't know all the rules um but we did hire obviously a reputable company to pull permits on our behalf and to do the right thing because we recognize this is a landmark home um so of course all all of the best intentions in in replacing this roof right um I thought what was really interesting was that this permit that was approved by the city stamp sealed was really contradictory right like you have two different types of tiles specified throughout and you have a product sheet that's in there and it's stamped so I for me from my perspective as a a frustrated owner um it seems like that's a failing on on the city right like why why would we approve and stamp and seal something a document that's contradictory um so I just I just want to bring that up I realize that there have been some missteps likely from the roofing company um that are out of my control unfortunately um and then what I also found interesting was that when this revision was requested that the historic board was left off that's also a glitch in the system that is out of everybody's control and it's really really unfortunate and if I weren't 36 weeks pregnant if I didn't have a toddler if I didn't just move here I'd say okay let's replace the roof fine they are going to pay for it let's replace it but that's not the reality guys I am in a really unfortunate situation and I did just pay to replace this roof and I went through the agony of replacing it I stayed in a hotel for a week it's not fun for those of you who've been through smells like tar it's loud it's noisy it's takes a lot of time I happen to have a very high trust ceiling where the only thing between me and the sky is just wood paneling so it was an intricate install it was a lot I had termites I have been through the ringer in Coral Gables I've officially been initiated in Hay so I'm here and I'm here to stay but I'm asking for your empathy I mean we we looked at the roof and it's the same tile we replaced it with the same tile we didn't know any different or any better all the best intentions were there and we just got dealt a bad hand so I think I think I think there were some things that were unfortunate and out of our control out of everybody's control and I think the city failed on some parts here and I think they should be held responsible and I'm just I'm really asking you guys to dig in deep and realize that that roof was there before it's the same roof and I understand wanting to protect te I really do I I get the beauty of the city and and I'm very impressed with the work you do having sat through that 2 hours I'm I'm truly like super impressed with the level of detail and your commitment and the preservation of this city but I don't feel like my house doesn't look historic just because of the estile roof and you can ask me any questions and I'm so sorry that I'm pregnant and hormonal and emotional it's all right there you're doing great okay so thank you and and she just to reiterate from our perspective too um just our sincere apologies for putting her through this and again depending on what the decision is obviously this is something that we will take care of you know however it shakes out um but just understanding the kind of at least immediate time um issue here where I think in in the immediate it would be extremely difficult um for the for the customer um not not us but for the customer but anyway and then also just to to speak to Coral Gables in general so I I checked before and just in 2024 we've done I think it was like 80 unique homes repairs or roofs on this year so this is obviously um you know a city and board that we have a lot of respect for and want to abide by the rules on and um and I I do think that there was just errors in process that allowed this to happen on on our end um which is all I can speak for and um as I've been getting up to speed on it um you know I think that shines clear so um we do we do accept that responsibility um just to to make that clear for the record as well all right thank you um okay are there any questions of um the applicant or the staff I I have a few hang on Miss Alvarez wait a minute the other Mr Silva went first I just want to make sure I think you went first well I question I don't I just I just uh I want to get the timetable clear so you all had this this product approval and a permit approved which was a little gray I guess but but it called for s tile I think pretty clearly um you ordered the I mean it called for the sorry the barrel tile pretty clearly right you ordered the s tile thinking that was the right thing I think the the one disagreement I have there only just semantically is like the the clear part the highlighted I get I get it but but so the you ordered the the s tile the S TI arrived on site you installed some portion of it and you called for a progress inspection right the progress inspection was rejected and they said hey you can't use this or you can submit a revision and try to get it correct they did that the revision and the revision did not go to Historic but it was approved corre correct we don't do in progress inspections right no no but the city so how did you find out that the s tile was not so so final inspection final so so but that's exactly right so when the when the in progress inspection was done it was determined that the tile was cons was the the tile specified in the permit was different than the tile in the house so they said you guys need to submit a revision the revision was so the building inspector flagged it he saw that so the revision process so far is working okay correct correct but but so then then then that's where the problem arises because the um the revision was approved so so the revision so you submitted a re you did what they asked you you submitted a revision the revision did not go to Historic correct get it the the revision didn't get routed to Historic but it was approved and it was sent back to you approved correct and then you finished the installation thinking you were I think there's I think what you said that there was some discrepancy in the application for the permit right correct the permit the application wasn't the permit the permit itself was for Barrel tile is that right um actually yes yes that that does that does so you had a permanent hand for Barrel tile and I guess because of the error in your application uh your company put an EST but you had a permit for Barrel Tri I'm just trying to clarify is that right corre yes in in fact that has to be correct because um otherwise the in progress inspection would not have said that hey there's an inconsistency so yes I do agree with that Stephanie I have a few questions for you and maybe just to clarify and would like them to be up there are we stopped from analyzing this in a in a in other words there seems to have been some discrepancy between the original application the approved application and then there was seems to be a glitch in which for whatever reason this enchanting new system that we have missed adding a um carara or historic into the process but ultimately they did get stamped uh so what is in other words is a city stopped from going forward and looking at it in so that's certainly an argument they could make it's my understanding that it's the NOA that it's the controlling document of the permit whether or not there were some discrepancies in other documents that the NOA is the controlling which cited the barrel tile roof that the document with the color was there for the color um so of course it's unfortunate that there was a uh an in inadvertent exclusion of historic on the revision but as you all know you know we we can just because a city has issued a permit doesn't commit us necessarily to what's that in that permit I think the city would um would strongly argue that the original plan was the barrel towel roof that was approved by Board of Architects and in the NOA but I do of course understand and and sympathize with the situation but I don't think there's anything that prohibits you all from requiring a barrel tile roof given the situation we're in today so so second question follow up to that okay so maybe maybe now we're stopped so the next question question if for whatever reason we determine that there is a violation and we want to issue a violation whether or not they comply we can determine when that happens right so in other words a violation of what I'm sorry I'm not however the procedure it is to to to to force them to modify the roof right uh they can they can do that in a year and we can give them the time to do it certainly it's my understanding there's no um open code enforcement case or anything like this the moment it's just a permit that just a permit right so so in other words we can give him as much leeway as possible if we decide to to to essentially has to be uh it has to be Barrel so that you know it doesn't interfere with whatever Pro procedures healthwise that that uh that the applicant has to the extent that staff the building department and historic preservation have the ability to extend permits to comply with anything that needs to be done yeah I think that's certainly acceptable for you to say it needs to be corrected within a certain amount of time or after a certain amount of time I don't think that would be a problem to the extent that conflicts with any of the permitting regulations and permits need to be renewed or exp extended I'll defer to staff on their ability to do that um to extend final inspection dates or um validity of permits okay so Mr roofer okay question sir I apologize didn't catch your name so I'm not trying to be disrespectful okay so uh how I mean I replaced my roof about a year and a half ago it took from beginning to end and fairly sizable roof about two weeks okay uh to to to the whole procedure you anticipate that to be the the situation here I think with I think it within a month for sure we we could get the roof done and it could be as soon as a couple week it could be completed in a couple understood I I you know so but it could it could in other words the actual procedure of replacing the roof for about the permitting and everything else I'd say two two to four weeks okay y do you mind if I chime in on that you're welcome to sorry that's not it may be accurate it was not accurate in my experience it was at least six weeks um and the only other comment I want to add is we did a landscaping overhaul obviously to add to this beautiful city and as most of you know you don't do the Landscaping after the roof you you do the roof first because when you do a roof it then destroys your Landscaping so I just it's worth me mentioning that as well that we've made a significant investment in landscaping post roof install to avoid having our Landscaping ruined and to obviously preserve and make the city even more beautiful so I um I sympathize with the situation and I I'm not sure if it's officially a contributing structure but I'm very familiar with that house it is I full disclosure I live on the Block um so I think that that is an improvement um so I would be in favor of leaving it as an s tile um but I had one one possible uh suggestion I don't know I know there have been some um conditions in The Gables where the starter tile is a barrel and then the rest heard about is an s tile is that an option for question I guess is for staff and for the roof is that may I may I just ask um Miss Alvarez is that when it's just the perimeter essentially looks to be barrel and the rest remains let let's hear from staff go ahead you get a few um in two previous instances this board has has approved that and cases where there has been a financial hardship to an elderly owner um to allow the starter like it's like the first two or three hes to be two-piece barrel and then from then up it's most successful on a twostory house where you just catch the edge as opposed to a lower shallower roof where you can see that it's a little bit different but the board this board has done that in the past just a follow-up question but there is no financial hardship argument here the the company would take care officially all expenses nothing on the record I mean I guess can I Chim in real quick um I mean I don't know if you know the history of like it but really you know we've you know unequivocally denied like any s tile on historic homes typically Barrel tile I kind of think like I kind of agree with you guys that the city kind of messed up with the review and approving the permit I mean like I don't think that's you know I I don't think it was historic fault but I think the building department um you know I'm a contractor so I know how this works um I mean I'm not denying that the roofer made an error but I kind of feel like from the historic standpoint like like and I don't this is probably not what you want to hear but I think like we need to say that yes we want it to be Barrel but I think it's something you need to take up with the the commission and say hey guys like you guys failed us you know like we submitted our process you guys approved it like I think they are the ones that are going to be able to Grant the exception to the estle right I think they can us because I mean in our standpoint I think we want a barrel tile like that's what we tell everybody that comes here is that a question for staff as to the process hold on M with M attorney W an appeal those instances where the board is allowed um the starter course to be installed we've also required that the owner um submit a restrictive covenant to the city that uh specifies that the next roof that is applied to the house must be two-piece Barrel tile regardless of who lives there it's it runs with the property so if you all were feeling um lenient to in this case sympathetic um that's a possibility that there could be something put in place that listen the next time this happens there is something very clear that that happens here does let me ask does that look good cuz I'm I'm look let's say we were lening we said we allow an S like does that even I is that going to make the house look better is it I feel like it's going to make the house look worse it works on twostory homes because then you're basically just looking up and you don't get a chance to see all of the the roof like we might be doing more damage to yeah I'm I'm more in favor of either keeping s or putting you're putting lipstick on a pig you know yeah correct and it's just going to make it worse and it's going to cause damage to the landscape I mean it's just I think it's either one or the other I think is probably the better no I know but that I'm just saying that that's a possibility in your tool kit as well covenant could be a possibility whether or not there's a requirement for the bordering estile if if if the applicant is agreeable to that we would work with them in the city attorney's office to make sure we have a a legal document that would be recorded against the property so that any future roof would be required um not only to go through the regular COA process but would be um boa process excuse me but would be Barrel to roof yeah but I mean just s just a follow up on that how many roofers do a tattle search to identify the Covenant before to do a roof it it would be noted in the city systems so it would be flagged during the permitting process it should be yes I mean when when they purchase a home I you know but just before you apply for the permit it's not customary for them to like you know a recorded document is is generally sufficient notice to the public and the World At Large for any restrictions on a property um beyond that the C's made efforts to record C our in our own internal systems the city has working on incorporating those sorts of covenants into our permitting systems right that's where I was going so the new the permitting system does allow for us to create notes on parcels and we can add a note to this parcel that any future roof replacement would require to be um bartile and that the ex Covenant is filed and can be referenced may I ask a question a followup to that um because you mentioned this was done in another circumstance can you give us some criteria as to when we would want to do something like like this so to make an exception again we want to look at these on case-by casee basis I Believe Miss CS referred to two um situations that were um elderly um elderly Property Owners coming with undue Financial hardships and that's why the striping the the bordering was done and those covenants were attached to those properties but again I don't know if there are any others again I I would defer to what um Miss Perna said this is a case-by case basis just like and with all due respect Mr Dan the sport takes every application for Stiles on a case-by casee basis there's no strict rule that Stiles are not allowed I think generally this board has not granted very many coas for Stiles but there is no Harden fast Rule and why would it just go like to the commission or them immediately like bypasses uh appeals are on a very strict and narrow basis they're not looking to um Step into the shoes of this board appeals are heard on to determine if there was substantial compet and evidence due process Etc so it's not a sort of second bite at the Apple okay Mr Silva if are we done with questions I'll move to comments or yeah yeah you can go to comment you want to open it for a vote or how is the no we're not we're not there yet there's public comment or question we're still at questions and stuff for the staff okay so is there is there any further presentation any further questions of the staff any further questions of the applicant and the roofer okay if not uh is there anyone here to speak for or against this application okay if not we'll close the public hearing then and we'll put it back to uh the board okay Mr Sila he he wanted to say he votes for oh he's voting on the cake and it was very good so he double yeses so so my comments are are that I mean in a normal situation we I would never vote for for an s tile right like even even if in this situation it had been in installed already right um the mitigating circumstance for me in this situation is that it was flagged you you were told apply for a revision you did that and then the revision was approved which is kind of out of your hands I understand there was there was a mistake on the original permit application there was a mistake in you're purchasing the Stile in the first place um but you you did what they asked you to do and you're willing to remedy the situation I don't think there's ill here um so to me because the city granted that that um that revision you know I think even though again in in another case where that hadn't happened if if you had process if that revision had been processed and rejected then we wouldn't be sitting here it would be no sorry you have to replace the the roof you have to replace the tile but because of that extra step here I'm inclined to to to allow that astile to remain with maybe the idea of a restrictive Covenant going along with the house although I don't know what that does because we would require that anyway but but uh but it's just an extra measure of security and and I guess an extra measure of we really mean it right um so those are my comments Mr Garcia P so I'm incredibly empathetic to the property owner incredibly empathetic not so much with the contractor um I think the process is I don't believe the mission of this board I think the requirement of this board is to decide whether the building and the roof you mat on the building is representative of the obiso Avenue historic district I think we've talked a lot about the process and I hope the property owner does whatever she and they can do with regards to that but if you asked me which you are um do I believe that this home in this District should have s tile the answer is no so I'm going to base my voting on that one thing are we ready for a motion no do we have another any further discussion by the board so just sort of in lines to what what Mr uh Garcia Pon has was saying look there's really no hardship to the homeowner in the sense that the contractor has essentially said that they'll take the requirement of the replacement on their own okay they they they should probably mitigate whatever damage they have to the Landscaping because that would go hand inand it's something that they did to they did to the property and it is their mistake and they have admitted their mistake in in the public so I I it you know the most hardship that this homeowner will have will just be the fact that she has to go through the rear roof and the inconvenience of that which I don't think is 6 weeks you know my my experience might be unique but that's that's the the uh uh the perspective that I have what I would like to do if the board ultimately decides to force the replacement of the roof that we give this homeowner as much time as she needs okay to make this happen so it doesn't intrude in her pregnancy in the first year in the first you know months of a of of a child's uh birth which are very difficult and you do not need some roofer on top of your roof waking up your sleeping baby as they're doing this thing so that will be my my mod of thank you that's your comment okay is there any other comments okay we're going to move so we're going to close that portion of the meeting and we're going to go I'd like to entertain a motion then I'll make a motion Miss Spain see how this goes we have take public comment oh I'm sorry I thought we asked already we have some addition sorry my mistake okay he did already okay I'd like to make a motion to deny the design proposal for after the fact installation of an s tile roof on the property located at 1801 CBA Street legally described as lot one block three Coral Gable section c according to the plat thereof as recorded in plat book 8 at page 26 of the public record of Miami day County and deny the issuance of a special certificate of appropriateness okay we have a motion do we have a second second Mr BOS okay is there any further discussion if not we'll call the all okay Miss Alvarez no Mr danana I mean I I feel very strongly that the commission will overturn and and help you it's there mistake just as as a historic board like we we don't approve the Stiles like I mean on a case-by casee basis but like I hate but it's it's like they you know they messed up I think they need to do right but I think the proper process is you know we're going to say no it has to be Barrel tile but they should overturn it and and you know in my opinion they should and I'd be okay with it um so unfortunately yes okay so we have a yes continue please next Mr yes ke Mr Banos yes Miss Spain yes Mr Silva no Mr Maxwell yes I need to vote he hasn't Mr Garcia Pon yes sorry the motion passes 62 yeah 62 so next case so we have next item so I'm sorry that that's what we've got to do we we we're moving on to the next one okay next one and it's getting late and we're all doing the best we can can to move forward yes I know you had a okay I'll I'll do the best I can we're in the you're doing the TDR here okay so we have item number 24819 which is transfer development rights a receiving site proposed development receiving site is located at 299 Minorca Avenue legally described as Lots 45 through 48 Block 17 Coral Gables section K according to the plat thereof as recorded in plat book 8 page 33 public records Miami D okay the following Historic Landmark properties are within 500 ft of the proposed development located at 299 Minorca Avenue 20 2120 to 2140 Salo Street also known as 301 to 305 Alcazar Avenue legally described as Lots 25 through 30 Block 19 Coral Gable section K according to the plat therea plat book 8 page 33 and 235 mayorca Avenue legally described as Lots 42 to 45 inclusive block 7 section k um plat book 8 page 33 also Dade County okay therefore uh per section 14-20 4.6 of the Coral Gables code the historic preservation review and approval of the proposed development is required to determine if the proposal adversely affects the historical architectural or aesthetic character of the historic property okay so well as there's no um okay let's see so we'll open up okay you guys everybody's sworn in okay can we get the presentation please public hearing thank oh backwards not that one don't get too excited all right um as mentioned this is a application um if for a receiving site for transfer development rights if a receiving site of tdrs was within 500 feet of a Historic Landmark uh the corg zoning code requires that the historic preservation board reviews and approval for the proposed development to determine if the proposal adversely affects the historic architectural or aesthetic character of the historic properties um the two properties are located at 2120 2140 El Salo Street also known as 301 305 alcasar Avenue and 235 Major Avenue so to the South you have Salo to the north you have major um here again this is 235 Majora Avenue historic photo they 1940s this and it'll come up at some point you'll see the C Street is having a piece of um the proposed development is a mixed use building of 58,5 72 square ft which includes approximately 9,49 ft of transfer development rights it was determined at the meeting of the board of Architects that the project is entitled to level two bonuses um and the criteria is listed in our report um the staff does not believe there is an adverse effect to the historic character of the two designated Pro properties listed in the report and is recommending approval of 299 Mona as a receiving site thank you um good evening board members for the record George novaro with offices at 333 Southeast 2 Avenue we had a pretty lengthy presentation but I know you've had a very long evening um and you still I think still have more items after uh this application so I'm going to keep short and then we could answer any questions the board may have I think staff uh did a your historic preservation officer did a great job of why we're here before you today this is a new uh mixed use project within uh the CBD and within your downtown uh it's only 45 units uh it is uh eight stories it's all being done in accordance with the existing zoning the two items that we're asking for this project are remote parking there's a bunch of unused parking in this area but the reason we're before you today is also uh any site that is using tdrs that's within 500 ft of another historic resource comes before you to look at uh those items came up at the board of Architects meeting and as you will see hemed will hopefully quickly go through our design we want to show you that at least we've Incorporated elements from all the buildings in the area including the two historic ones and um I know the board uh is familiar with this but just to give you a context this is not a project that is like directly AB budding or directly across the street from our two properties are a few blocks away and there's other buildings in this downtown that are blocking those views it's not a direct view uh so there really is no D direct visual impact but we still have through the boa process um tried to incorporate some of those elements so at with that I'm going to conclude everything else I was going to say and have uh our project architect come up to walk you uh a little bit through uh our project design and the materials that we're using to uh to give you an idea of what it is and then we're here to answer any questions thank you through the chair I just want to a point of clarification to this to the City attorney just to ask a question if you don't mind very quickly yeah just what's our our our our decision making preview here we're just deciding whether or not this project affects the those those adjacent properties that's it it's the same standards that Mr Naro Miss pis mentioned if it's adversely affects the historic character Aesthetics I will can read it to you it's just very limited to that it's very limited this um item still needs to go through Planning and Zoning Board and commission for approval as a TDR receiving site okay please go ahead good evening board you state your name for the record yes sir Hamed Rodriguez um architect in office at 275 Minorca immediately next door to this building so I'm also a neighbor let me see if I can get this to work here okay so our proposal is the uh building in the middle and uh it's a very Urban site it's right across from aure uh and also across from the uh public safety building so we looked at the public safety building we looked at the coda building across the street and we looked at the neighboring buildings and of course these uh these historic buildings and we looked at certain elements that we can pull and certain styles that we can that we can use to make this functional for the CL and at the same time take these tdrs and keep them within the same envelope of what we would have if we didn't have the extra tdrs and frankly I use some of them for mechanical mezzanine spaces you know so um not not exactly the Mechanicals that doesn't count but we had accesses and things like that to get to them so we used some of that and it was a nice tool but this building is um so that you know we're not asking for any uh relaxation on any setbacks or step backs uh it's all within the um the envelope of what we can design and we picked something in a type of classical uh look and then we went a little bit towards more of a Spanish uh feel more like something you'd see in Barcelona and we felt that it was a nice blend and it worked uh well in this environment which is starting to be very Urban and of course we got very modern buildings just to the east of us which is the garage building and and you know so it's an Eclectic area so um let me just go through really quick um I think I'm going the wrong direction here's the one that doesn't work your angle it's not working for most of us today there you go all right yeah there you go I'll go forward so as you can see the uh the one building that's used now as a banquet hall there on uh 301 305 we picked some of those elements it's has a u a balcony and a and an awning and then we did the same thing to the chamford corner and we also did a a a metal oning and it's going to be very ornate and you'll see the materials here we're using uh type of railing that would be that wouldn't be standard we're doing um trellises at the mid level which is the podium we're using uh uh terracotta flat tiles uh real Limestone on the on the base and these were all requirements some of these were requirements of the board which we went through and and satisfied that and now that's it thank you thank you please that's it I'm that's it I know you've had a okay are there any questions for the applicant I appreciate the length of your presentation yes for the record if I a lot of pages just to read the exact provision so I can ask answer Mr B's uh question correct it's the historic preservation Board review and approval is required to determine if the proposal shall not adversely affect the historic architectural or aesthetic character of the historic properties okay are there any questions nope okay ready for a motion well we're almost ready for that okay so we're as soon as you you open toing comment and you close we can do that does the motion come with cake or are there any letters of support or for or against this project staff did you hear the question and anything for or against no no okay were you ask me a question he asked if there were any letters of support oh no there was no letters of support is there anybody on Zoom okay all right so we're going to close the public hearing portion of this thing and put it back to the board okay board I have one comment we yes ma'am you may please you your architecture is great your every time I see a building I I recognize it as yours I didn't realize that you were here until I saw the building and it really elevates the uh architecture in downtown thank you so much we're small and we really take one at a time and try that's great that's great that's my only comment okay great anybody else any other comments if not U you know I'd like to hear a motion M Mr Silva sure I'll make a motion um to approve The Proposal at 299 Minorca Avenue um legally described as laws 45 through 48 Block 17 Coral Gable section K according to the plat thereof as recorded in plat book 8 page 33 of the politic record of M County with the understanding that it requires further review and approval by the Planning and Zoning Board and the city commission Mr Sil I can just ask that the the the motion also determines that the proposal does not adversely affect and that it it does not it determines that the proposal does not adversely affect the historic architectural or aesthetic character of the historic properties located within 500 ft of the site thank you second thank you okay do we have a second oh we have lots of them but Mr Marez I want to move this along so second we said it at the same time Mr B so your is the second yours I'll be gracious to the lady CH can have the second okay M Alvarez then you just seconded it oh okay anything else if not we'll call the rooll any any amendments any other motions the only only thing I would ask if if if the U moving can incorporate for the record the STA report and the presentation made by the uh by the applicant so that that that'll be part of his motion y okay that would be great okay would you call the role Please Mr dananana yes Miss yes Mr Garcia Pon yes Miss ban yes Miss Alvarez yes Mr Banos yes Mr Silva yes Mr Maxwell yes thank you perfect thank you okay well thank you very much I'm sorry that you were here so long but thank you for your very short presentation we great job thank you okay we're going to go we're going back to our regular schedule here we're at special certificates of appropriateness 24 8186 case File s cp2 24-22 five continued we saw this last um last month and the applicant is back here again so yeah welcome back hello so I'll make my presentation very brief as the application was continued and it is something that you all are familiar for the request is still for a one-story Edition and that has been modified IED to um remove any variance requests from the hearing from the um application so they were able to bring in the the minimize the square footage and the side setbacks um they have also um discussed that there's going to be we had some concerns with the window modifications that were within the application he has addressed some of those within his presentation it's not something that we've we was for part of your application but they are aware that we had those concerns something that they're willing to work with us on and um I'll let him explain the rest and and so his staff resolve those with the uh the applicants so we I have not seen the proposal for the windows yet because it's something that they once they receive the report they um modified okay thank you hello Hi how are you again wonderful thank you to having me back uh the modifications she's speaking about is um just like two windows so I will share is it possible to make me an admin right I'm waiting for you to connect this oh I am connected this is this is 236 right I am connected right cgtv can you share Hassam Rahal wants to share screen I don't have the ability all right wonderful okay so as uh we are aware from the last uh meeting we I am the architect of record for the following project this project was was uh submitted in front of the boa for an addition prior to the designation of historical along the way the board of Architects uh advised that we go and get it designated so the client thankfully is very cooperative and has been very patient and we've worked together to designate it along with boa get it approved through boa um along with Anna's and the staff for historical and the last thing we submitted for was a variance because we were stating that the side setbacks for the maximum and uh minimum were the same uh however we concluded that we're going to modify it to where no variance is is needed and we did resolve the problem and so the project is on 236 Alo Avenue and this is just to for your Rec collection for uh some of the images of the existing home in The Proposal we are uh proposing to bring back and restore the original design that was lost along the way uh any original features from this photo such as the uh round arched uh door that is 8 ft tall and the entry foyers uh the windows uh the addition itself here's the site plan as you recall we were 10t setb and Zoning required that we needed a 14.56% so we did modify the design without altering any of the boa uh components that were approved all the windows remain the same the design the concept and the height Still Remains the Same um even interaction with the existing building we kep that at a minimum and this is the ultimate this is the floor plan uh in regards to the modifications that Anna was speaking in regards uh it was this window here it was blocked in so we made sure to modify just the shower HUD and place the window to where the opening is and not to lose that feature also uh along this line there was a blocking for three windows we ended up just flipping all the applies to the other side so we can make sure that we maintain all those windows or maintain as many windows as possible and this would be the front elevation as you recall it was a 10t sideb it wasn't a big adjustment and the rear uh component so this was the laundry room we had proposed one window the openings for two so we shifted one of the walls to make sure that we maintain both windows uh also uh this is this window and this window right here we brought it back to one of the comments that you guys have suggested that we were losing uh the window elements there and this is the back uh elevation the addition is right here to your right and this is these are this is the original components and this window right here these two windows we are proposing to install them back in next existing opening that is already existing with the window s obviously remaining as per historic requirements I think that should conclude it if you have any questions uh as I stated this has gone through the board four times I think and we were aware we worked with ano we were aware that it was getting designated so we worked along the way to come to this conclusion we really thank you for your you know for working together I mean it's really a good thing to do and we're very positive about that and and quite appreciative and for your patience and absolutely and I'm very grateful to have a client that is so caring about she has endured great deal to get here great especially I mean when when CH had purchased the property it was not designated so to go through that whole process and for her to be that patient has definitely been a humbling experience and a great thing to have a client such as she she has a son from college back home yes do I'd like to have any so we can move the Move Along here tonight and maybe I'll go home before midnight uh are there any questions of Staff or the applicant uh that the board would like to entertain okay uh are there any any uh expressions of support or dissent that uh we've received not receiv okay is there anyone on Zoom to speak in favor of or against no okay great then we're going to close the public hearing and bring it back here to the board okay board I have a a comment for the architect express the same thing I appreciate you're working with staff and addressing the concerns that you heard at this board I'd like to thank the board at the last meeting for being very clear to give them Direction um and I'm happy to make a motion whenever a motion is warranted okay I'm happy to entertain a motion if there's no other questions okay Mr Garcia Pon your motion please me too early I'll make a comment while he gets there yeah thank you again it's a great job and there was some concern last time about the addition being a little unbalanced but I think pulling back from the setback really helped that I think it's it's it's much better for the fomation so thank you again for thank you for your direction actually and I did felt to mention that thank you for your support and Direction I'd like to make a motion to approve with condition uh in the staff report the design proposal for additions and alterations to the residents in site work on the property located at 236 Alo Avenue a local Historic Landmark in Miami County Florida and approve with the conditions noted above the issuance of a special certificate of appropriateness okay we have a motion item an amendment okay we need we need a second before we get an amendment please I'll I'll second the motion with a second by Mr BOS okay do you want to outline in your motion what those okay we've got you a second let me let's hear from Mrs Alvarez so on the schedule sheet A6 the new arched Windows have like an awkward um spring point so I think the intention from the elevations looks like it was a perfectly semicircle so I would just say to correct that in the the construction yes we will correct all that schedule plans as as you know we were trying to rush to make sure that we continue and um if there was any discrepancy on a schedule but in regards to um of course the elevation where the any Arch Windows is to match what the balance that's in anything else Miss Alvarez and I would say and also um to um review with staff the dimensions of the frame sizes Miss Al is that g letter G yeah if you if you zoom in it's um yeah thank you mhm okay just for the record I it's I understand Mr Garcia Pawn's motion to include the condition that the to work with staff that the window configuration and style is to be appropriate to the building I'm not sure if that answers your questions Miss Alvarez as to um addressing those issues the second issue brought up it was can you I'm going I'm going to accept the initial friendly amendment that it incorporates the the proper spring of the of the arch U Mr BOS is that okay with you second and then what's the second item to review for staff to review carefully the shop drawing so that the frame sizes are the appropriate size because they're drawn you know Thin and Thick they have different it usually makes a big difference on the facade um and and would that be sorry a shop drawing item would that be covered under the conditions that staff has in the report already one through five I didn't notice um apologies yes that was my comment that work with staff to ensure the window configuration and style is appropriate to the building that was my question Miss Alvarez if that covers your question number three yeah and probably and frame size I would just add okay um and add frame size to number three I approve that friendly Amendment Mr BOS approved okay we have an amendment no opposed I proposed to that and accepted okay any further discussion any further amendments okay would you call the role please okay Miss Spade yes okay Miss D yes Mr danana yes Miss Alvarez yes Mr Garcia Pon yes Mr Banos yes Mr Silva yes Mr Maxwell yes so the motion passes 8 Z thank you very much and thank you again for you know thank you for it's a long process but you know that's that's why we live here and because it's what makes this place great no absolutely I was telling um my peer that we used to study about coral our master's degree and and it's a pleasure for for me to be up here in front of you thank you thank you thank you okay we have the next item which is coming up let's see we have a withdrawal of 2430 last item most so we are on 24 on 24 8188 COA file COA case File COA 202 24- 029 an application for the issuance of a special certificate of appropriateness for the the property at 516 Caligula Avenue a contributing resource within the French Country Village legally described as Lots 6 through 7 and number eight block 125 Coral Gables Riviera section 10 according to the plat thereof plat book 31 page 1 Miami Dade County application request design approval for a new slate and copper roof and the removal of three Dormers staff you can put the PowerPoint up please thank you no that is wrong can you fast forward to this item please nope keep going Mr T left no right behind us oh keep going oh he's hiding back hey Vinnie yep there we go thank you so this is a site map of the property it's um part of the French Country Village which is designated as a historic district in 1989 um and the homes there are patterned after 18th century rural French architecture um in the designation report for the district the uh architectural style is defined as the um the architectural style represented in the French Country Village is an interpretation of the diversity of European 18th century provincial architecture featuring half timbering towers and steeply pitched crossed gabled or hip roofs covered with shingles um this property designed by Edgar Albright is one of 11 contributing resources within the district um the application does propose to install uh a slate roof as well as areas of copper roof and to remove Dormers um that are not on the original portion of the house I don't know I just kind of saw I don't know how well this came across on your screens didn't print very well but this was super helpful to me in finding out um which portions of the house are actually the old historic portions and which were added and when were when they were added so um I'm going to turn it over to the applicant who has a presentation here for you and then uh introduce our portion this is the 1940s photo of the house you can see the the roof that was on it at the time car do you have the presentation because it's not oh perfect sure thank you so much um hi everyone my name is Frederick Bates uh I'm the owner of 516 kilav actually acquired the property in 2019 sold a house in Boston from the 1800s to buy this one so pretty familiar with owning a historical home and what we're trying to do is um give it 100-year old birthday present so the house was um constructed back in 1926 um and and we're coming up on its 100-year birthday and essentially we've had a lot of trouble with the roof um since we bought the house wasn in we sworn in was I sworn in no okay we need to do that I do so what what we're trying to do is is give it a 100-year birthday present um we had a lot of trouble with the roof we had leaks we had opened permits to fix the leaks in the past kept recurring issues and so essentially instead of continuing down the path of Band-Aids we've decided to sort of redo the entire roof and while we're at it we were deciding to try to go back to the original roots of the house which was slate back in the 1920s um but it was replaced with with tile and then ultimately lud Luigi tiles which was a high quality tile but wasn't the original roof um so I'll take you through a quick presentation in terms of what we're trying to do um I think what we got approved with the board of Architects kind of um l bul in my head that maybe what I was trying to do is a little over ambitious in terms of some of the design so I've actually conceded a few things that um I think you've seen now to try to try to meet somewhere in the middle but I'll walk you through it so you can you can understand what we're trying to do um forward so this was the original picture of the house back in the 1920s uh 1926 it is part of the French Country Village and it's one of the I would say more you know prominent houses and it's not on Hardy but it's one road one road back this is just a snapshot of what it looks like today so you can see you know those original kind of more slate looking tiles were replaced with these lud Luigi terra cotta type type tiles looks great but um it's sort of come to the end of its its life in the sense that we're having a lot of trouble a lot of leaks and all the Dormers and so what we decided to do or what we would like to propose to do is we actually went back to um the original architects book on French um country design so this is one of the three Architects that were prominent in the French um Country Village so this is actually um from Goodwin so he's he's right on okay people are nodding so we took a lot of the the samples of you know kind of what he was displaying as traditional French um country design and and stuff that would be more original to provance so we thought we could go back to slate or we can try to actually you know jump a little bit higher and go to something even more traditional to the south of France and so what we ultimately landed on was trying to go to a more fish scale Cuts slate which of course is a lot more expensive to hand cut thousands of pieces of slate but um we're not going for you know the investment value here we're going for the sentimental value so these are just a couple of snapshots from from the book um if anybody wants to see the original book um that he did two years before building the house happy to show you some of these these items sorry it's this just a snapshot of the book um some of you are already familiar with the architect other pictures in the book you can see a little bit of a reference to these fish scales throughout his book we kind of put tabs on all the pictures of this but it's not the original house back in 1926 in Coral Gables we would like to think that he was inspired by a lot of these fish scale things because they're all throughout his book and you know perhaps it's not the original but it is very classic and traditional to the south of France so we have examples of that in multiple pages of of his book and what we're proposing to do is I've sent spent maybe five months trying to find a highly qualified slate roofer in South Florida and um not trying to disrespect anybody but it's just not possible um if anybody does slate ruse in South Florida it's maybe one or two a year so they're not qualified so so we set out to try to figure out who's really qualified to do something like this so I'll get to this in a moment but um this this company out of Pennsylvania uh was founded by a guy named Joe Jens Jenkins it's Jenkins slate Masters and he is actually one of the prominent slate roofers in North America this is his third edition of the slate roof Bible but he's scoured the world from Asia to Europe to to the Americas and they put on Roes like the ones you're seeing in the shots here usually these these high-end roofs are reserved for pretty prominent buildings and they're pretty expensive to do but I'll show you some of the the work we are proposing to relocate them to Miami for the winter months in Pennsylvania which would be January February March and into April they expect to do a roof like this could take three and a half months so when I heard four weeks in the last presentation that sounded good um but this would be a 3 to three and a half month project for them to put on just some of the examples from from the books of you know this this you know fish scale cut and you know the type of buildings it's on this was some examples of actually um the book again in terms of how this got adapted to the United States so while it was kind of fish scale in in Europe it's kind of referred to as um American Cottage here in the United States but similar design just examples from the books and just examples of you know types of prominent buildings it would be on in North America so schematic of the house um where it says Caligula a that's actually the the street view um and the house sort of is s-shaped around the purple areas are the areas we're proposing to actually upgrade to this slate and this this fish scale cut I'll walk you through some pictures of that the the more sort of copper color is what we're proposing to do in in 20 o double seam locking Copp copper so really really high-ends copper detailing but that was approved by historical they didn't have an issue with that it's not a historical part of the house the X's are where the Dormers are that we've proposed to to remove those Dormers but again those were not historical components of the house the reason why we want to do that is you know just down the road if we wanted to you know do something else to this roof we would be able to do it but it's all the highest quality you know 20 o copper and in the back where you see those three little structures there's a pool area there and that's a pool house and we're proposing to do that in Copper as well but we're going to do it in a we'd like to do it in a really fancy you know Diamond Style copper design which I'll show you pictures of and here where you see woven slate design I'll show you pictures of what we're proposing to do there as well so um I brought some samples of the Slate you can see them on on the the top left um most of it would be this black color of dark gray black all of the Slate is actually to be sourced from the north of Spain which is the most traditional slate that would be used in the south of France so we wanted to try to be as traditional as possible um you can get slate in Vermont and across north of America but this would be the actual most traditional to the south of France and so we're proposing to have it all hand cut in the quaries in Spain and shipped over here by January so we're sort of on on the clock um to try to do something like that the slightly purple which you can barely see the difference in our original proposal we actually wanted to um lost the presentation we actually wanted to have a bit of a diamond design throughout the roof so if you can imagine four of those slate fish scales one on the top one on the bottom one to the right one on the left kind of like a I think Louis Vuitton bag or something like that like a pattern going across the roof that's the part where I thought maybe um we got a lot of push back or a lot of debate from the board of Architects ultimately they approved us to move on move on to you but I realized it was a bit more controversial to do something like that so um what I did was I actually had some renders put together to see what it would have looked like and I myself had some doubts when I did it and so um I guess one of the concessions was to sort of say let's remove that but I can't really zoom in on this but I'll show you the back of the house but what we're proposing is not to combine that purple Diamond Style color into it to just leave it as the darker color and have it fish scale but if you look really really closely at the very bottom edge of the roof you can't do the fish scale cut on the final row of the slate in the roof and so basically what what the roof roofing company is suggesting is it has to be a square um and a really subtle detail would be to have this purple at the very bottom of that so it just be a tiny tiny little subtle detail that most probably would not see but we as owners would appreciate it um and this slate is also from from Europe but this is a very rare purple Slate from quaries in in in Wales in England so it's very difficult to get because the Quarry is closed right now um so this is oh there is a little bit of a zoom so thanks for zooming in you can you can barely see that purple at the bottom and maybe this doesn't do it justice but that's the only variance in the color that we're talking about this is um the back of the house that you can't really see but just to give you another angle on you know what a render would potentially look like so in a couple of these sections here where you can see it highlighted in yellow um this isn't fish scale cut but it's an example of this woven slate in the valleys and so it's just a really high-end design that we would do and like to do in fish scale as well you can't see these from the street you can't really see it from the street um it's just a detail that you would only be able to see actually from the windows inside from the garage but it's just one of these details that this um slate company specializes in bringing back to this really traditional style of of rather than just slapping in a copper you know Valley there just to actually do it out of slate um but that's only in these two areas that you can't see from the street just to give you a little perspective on the copper detailing in terms of the hips the hips I I didn't know all this nomenclature before but you can see on the top left um the neighbor's house behind us um on Hardy just kind of like the copper that's turned Brown on the edges of of the roof what we're proposing to do is to actually do it in a little bit more of a detailed approach which is on the right and so rather than having those hips just be you know a slab of of um copper going down it what the roofer has proposed to do is to actually do really detailed work of bending the copper to every single piece of slate locking it under every single piece of slate and there's two advantages to that one advantage is ESS ially for hurricanes and winds that you can't get the wind underneath those those pieces of of slate so it would be much more secure the second is just aesthetic just to be you know much more rather than kind of a not to say that the one from the neighbors is is bad but this is just a little bit more high-end detailed of a look and there's only really a couple of spots on the roof that actually have these hips that you would have that the ridge of the house is just kind of more of a traditional you know 20 oz piece of copper rather than just being a v it just has a slight roundedness at the top um but it's just another tiny you know high-end detail and then hisorical didn't have an issue with this but on the back of the house and these copper colored sections where we're proposing to remove the Dormers this is where we're proposing to put in you know 20 o double locking seams in the back um the idea of this is the Slate should last 100 years the copper should last 100 years if it's 20 o so what we're trying to do is we're trying to put on a 100-year roof not a 20year roof um this will eventually you know turn brown and then hopefully with the salt water in the air of South Florida it's going to turn green or greenish and we think that will be beautiful down the road when it happens um but really this is more of a detail for us because this isn't something you can see from the street the ones with the two x's that's like a vshape where our master bedroom is you can see that from the pool area in the back um but again historical didn't have an issue with that but it's just a high-end detail that we wanted to do and it's a really traditional way to you know lock the copper onto the roof rather than doing it you know with you know other means just a you know a shot from Google Earth you can see this is the back of the house on the left and kind of the the yellowish areas are the areas where we were proposing to do the copper just to kind of give you a feel of where that copper would be but you can't really see that from the street because the Street's on the other side of the house and then on the right is just much more of a direct aerial view of it so you can see on the garage side to the upper right that's slate on the back which you can't see is the copper um and then you can see the copper in the other one and then that little square down in the middle of the chart I'll show you another closeup on that but that's the pool area which is not a historical structure which we're proposing to do you know in sort of a a copper Diamond slate there's one little other piece that nobody can see it's not historical but you know we just care about doing the highest quality job we can do um it's right above the right side of the garage it's a flat roof you can't see it um what we're trying to propose to do is rather than do it on the cheap and just put whatever on the roof we're we're we're going to do we'd like to do this flat locking 20 oz copper detailing there just so really does last hopefully 100 years you know us and Beyond um and then in the back back back area so you see on the bottom right that same diagram there's a pool area with three structures um this company which is really specialized in copper roofs and slate roofs they have this really unique detailing with you know bending copper it's a sort of a diamond shape we're proposing to put that you know Diamond copper on on the back of it historical did not have an issue with that either that was just you know a detail that we wanted to do um and actually what we you know thinking about it again rather than just having that one little um structure in Copper we actually wanted to do the three structures in the copper um but if historical was okay with with this and it's not a historical building you know hopefully that's okay as well and so the only final thing that we were talking about was if you look on the chimney from the front of the house it's just that traditional you know cones sort of um shape we're taking in water from that chimney every time it rains it's just you know open hole into the you know into the chimney and so this isn't what we're trying to do on the left but these Artisans these craftsmans would um propose to just wrap it in Copper and have a slight lid probably more you know subtle than what this is but just to give you an idea that what we'd like to do is put like this little copper um detail cap on top of the chimney with some prot ction against the elements and against birds and other things that are falling into the chimney um and then you know just a couple of you know houses in the neighborhood um there's plenty of slate in the neighborhood we've proved that the original house was slate you know we're trying to bring it back to the original slate but um these are just a couple of houses on the Block in the neighborhood and then you know the company that we're proposing to bring down we've signed a contract with them to have them locked down January February March and half of April to come down here it is expensive to put them up and Lodge them in in Miami to do this but if we're going to do this we want to do it with one of the highest qual compan highest quality companies we can do so um these these people are the real deal and if anybody wants to look at the Third Edition of the slate roof Bible and this is basically a book for slate roofers where they're helping slate roofers understand how to do it properly so they're kind of the Slate roofers four slate roofers just a bunch of some of the stuff that they do you can see some other diamonds you know copper detailing some of the Dormers that they do all the woven valleys and all the detailing they do with copper and the double seaming these these people are the real deal they're you know probably one of the best in North America um it's a little bit crazy what we're proposing to do in terms of the budget but we're in love with the house we're in love with a French Country Village we you know probably erroneously think we're going to keep the house forever um who knows maybe our kids won't take it over from us but we just want to you know basically give this house a beautiful 100-year birthday present we realize that you know it is not the original basic kind of slate that was on the house it's a little bit more elaborate with the fish scale cut but what we're trying to do is go above and beyond go more traditional go more south of France and we think it's really in line with the architects of French Country Village because we found it in all their books so I'm not going to go into anything more um we have all the technical details in the back of this presentation as well but I think you probably get the gist of it I think um historical has been okay with everything but the fish scale cut and the purple diamonds which we have conceded and taken away and sort of said we just want to put a little purple Edge on the bottom that probably nobody will see but we will um and so hopefully with maybe removing those purple diamonds from all over the roof like a l t bag we go back to something a little bit more traditional um but the I guess what's really in question now is the fish scale cut right now but we figure if we're going to have a company that's so specialized in doing something at this level come all the way down to Miami for three and three or four months we would really like to do something spectacular over the top have this really be one of the properties in French Country Village and something that is just you know that we're proud of and hopefully you know the Coral Gables would be proud of so I'll stop there and I don't know if anybody has any questions or if there's any any other comments are there any questions of Staff or the applicant thank you are there any questions to the staff or applicant I just want clarification from Cara just he mentioned uh the applicant mentioned the uh that the only issue you have is the cting of the Slate that's not what I'm reading here so I just want to make sure so the Slate it's a material itself the material is great like happy for that to go back we know what was there um however the fish scale the color was an issue too of the dark gray um contradicts what we know what was there which is visual um proof in the photograph and it contradicts the standards that we adhere to so it was the square originally it was more like the squares it was a rough Hune square that you can see in the in the photo rough yes and it was it was called out as slate in the drawings so we know that it was slate roughe square tiles um but the the fish scale is just not appropriate and it could have been part purple you can't see the colors because it wasn't a color photo back in the 40s I'm it looks like it's a blend of colors to me which would have been appropriate uh at the time which probably would have been a you know more natural color blend so the the reason why we went with the black was because when we did the research with the roofing company who spent a lot of time around the world and in the south of France what they confirmed to us what was that the most traditional slate used in the south of France were the one that were proposing to poll from the quaries in the north of Spain and they were more of a black gray and so while the original might not have been this color the original most traditional in the south of France were but I I I would caution you that the this style in this Village is an interpretation based in Coral Gables which it was supposed to be different from the Mediterranean Revival style that was prevalent everywhere but it wasn't I don't believe meant to be an absolute complete departure I mean it still had to fit in but one follow up to to staff Cara so this is clearly um the residents is within the designated local historic district correct is the home individual designated no it is a contributing resource um and the architect is Ed Edgar Albright not Goodwin who wrote the book so it's just yeah I was always told it was Goodwin but I guess Goodwin was one of the three there's there's a group of AR this one ju just a quick question so staff is okay with all the copper work does that include the the copper Edge detailing that they're proposing the Copper Ridge the copper the copper the hip joints that are kind of tued so the house next door just as a as a a side um those were copper because they could KN get an NOA for that steep pitch of a roof so it was actually a desperation move after they had already gotten the permit approved that they wouldn't got a onetime you know deal to have that done um no I'm I'm okay with the ridge um the back being copper in the front being tile is strange to me but it's not visible it's an addition um the little um um piece on the chimney chimney was not part of the application it's the first time I'm seeing it I don't think it went to boa either so I any further questions I do have one more um also really for the homeowner thank you cara um the I think you make a good argument with the the idea of going back to the original material and the fact that this isn't individually designated and it is more of the provincial architectural style of um French country style I I think this might fall into that so I think the argument you make is pretty good my question specifically is I think you made the right decision by removing the purple diamonds um and I'm going to ask the little band of purple that only you're going to see is that something that you can live without because it seems that the the fish um scale is more prominent when you change the edge color and if you keep the same color underneath it'll be slightly less prominent although it'll still be beautiful when you look at it um I'm not sure if the banding is the right solution for using the purple I agree with staff and everyone that it was originally a mix of colors and slate is not uniform across was going to come across a slightly mix so I don't know if there's another way that you can incorporate or you'd be interested in incorporating your purple tile versus the very specific Edge banding that everyone's going to see U which may be in my case A Bridge Too Far okay I mean I'm here because I care right and I'm obviously I'm part of the community now and I'm part of the French Country Village and I'm carrying the Baton of this house and I'm open to making modifications so while I think it's beautiful and I think it would be a really subtle nice detail I want to walk I I have a team of people that are going to relocate from Pennsylvania down to here I have to get thousands of pieces of slate cut by hand in Europe and shift over to Miami by January and I need to walk out of this room hopefully with you know a yay or a nay or if it's can you modify this or that you know I want to walk out of here with a plan and call the roofer and say put in the order you know because I'm under the gun here because it's winter in Pennsylvania in January febru and this is they can only do one job per year out of their home market so appreciate it and I'm just one voice so I just wanted to I would love to do it but I am flexible and open and obviously you were all on the historical board and you know I respect your opinion and I respect historical opinion and that's why I backed off of the you know the extra extraordinary design and that's just as you get passionate about things sometimes you make mistakes and when I did the render I realized that not even I am convinced of this render now so anyway the answer is yes thank you but I I hope that maybe you can approve it do I have any questions back over here on this side no um I'm pretty good I mean I like look I I think you know cor G would be a better place with more people you know interested in in in in the history of of their house and especially the historic house and it shows that you know you care about it and I know you've done your research and honestly I'm glad you brought it up because it was a good educ for me on on some of the stuff thank you um I mean the fish I understand historic point with the the square slate but I think it's worth shot I think it's a nice I mean I think it's it's a cool unique you know uh roof and you know I'm I'm okay with it um that's just my opinion but I I agree with maybe remov I'll leave the purple thing to The Architects um I mean I I I think as far as from a contractor side I think it looks nice I think I think it's a nice roof through through the chair okay and on this side yeah just uh I mean this is one of the applicants I haven't been here that long compared to the rest of you that has cared more about the detailing and the propositions and how he's gone he's done all these things if I don't think that the purpling takes away I I'll be honest uh I think and if it were to and you don't like the Aesthetics you're the type of person who will probably take it away so the end so I'm okay with what with the present proposal as it stands with all all respect to to staff so okay Miss Alvarez anything no to say something you all can finish and then I'll give you one last please go ahead thought I don't have have any questions m b anything well come on I know that is not appropriate to put the fishtail on it because it was not original to the home and that's what we're supposed to do I love the fish tail saying they are so cool however you won't find however that is not I mean I just love your whole proposal it's absolutely amazing and so impressive um but I I know that we uh our purview is to bring it back to its original so so I'm a little torn Miss Spain if I may yes all right so if M can I just read this the from the staff report yes the architectural style of the district is defined in the designation report as follows the architectural style represented in the French Country Village is an interpretation of the diversity of European 18th century provincial architecture it doesn't say this house or this color or anything true so I'm just reading from the staff report and we took it from Goodwin's book you know so there are examples of it here so again when we review roof permits we ask that um the applicant go back to what was originally on the house we know what was originally on this house this is not different than someone asking for us tile even though it's a great presentation and much nicer than as tile don't get me wrong but it's it's no different than someone else asking to put a different tile than what was originally on and that's what we asked for the standards um that we adhere to talk about changes that create a false sense of historic development with agging conjectural features again that's what we're doing this we know the tile size the not size the material and the the um the look of it we know it was there we're so if you all approve this you're adding something conjectural in contradiction of the standards that we adhere to okay Mr Silva um so I I I I agree with with Miss Fain and with Carol as to the cut of the thing but I I really want to see that fish scale um Carol there there's no there's no other houses in that District have that have had it or ever had had it or there's only one building I found in the neighborhood on Sunset uh 155 Sunset it's the first Horizon Bank building fola building it's not as high quality as this they did it with some kind of metal um it's not Coral G it's South Miami but I haven't found a it's inside it's like the last block it's not historic but that's the only thing that I found in the neighborhood so Mr M may ask Miss KS another follow-up question to her comment and mine so does the designation report of the French Country Village say that you have to keep the roofs that are there or that they need to be in the spirit of the French Country Village this provincial architecture I'd have to go and look and see if there are sit is that something that somebody can do because it's important you're saying something that it should be going back to the individual house although it is not designated individually the report says per your staff report provincial architecture correct but again the direction that we've been given by this board is to return Direction I'm asking what the designation report says I I don't know have to look it up so that's up to staff to give me information if not you should know this answer right do you have it it'll be it'll be fantastic are there any other questions of Staff or the applicant well staff hasn't answered my question I don't know if they're going to be able to tonight so you can say yes or no and if you can we'll wait if not we'll proceed so what's the answer if you all want to wait I can try to pull up the report and find the answer we do not have the answer as of right now just to clarify the question I'm sorry Mr Garcia Pond is the question is whether or not the um the district designation requires future roofs to be done in a certain style is that the question no okay if the Des if the designation of the district requires the historic preservation office deciding what roof is appropriate that is other than what I can see here represented by 18th century provisional architecture okay I mean in the letter it says the spirit of this isn't a question for you so it's a staff question we're we're closing the public hearing here so we' got a little question here so Vinnie when are you going to finish the house on malago next year or two you're being recorded you're being recorded this is on the record does venny have a vote can you say something member of the public Hi how are you sure was there a question question for sta we're waiting for them correct we're waiting for them V my VIN Tori absolutely VOR at 208 and theia Avenue so uh we should all be so lucky to have clients like Mr Bates this is one of a kind uh you don't get that often of these kinds of presentations and we all know that um we also don't get a chance in the city to do something as spectacular as out of uh reach as we're trying to propose here um this is going to be a learning experience for me as well I think uh I'm excited to even be near this project um we I've met with the roofer and uh he's a real thing and these guys are The Real McCoy and again we don't we don't have that opportunity here in the in the city to do that so I think if we have the opportunity to do something to this magnitude we should we should take it and that's how I see it but um that would be your decision but this gentleman is doing something that um few of us have the opportunity to to see happen here so and this house is is one of a kind been there's a spectacular house than so all right well let's see what we we our staff comes up with talking about districts in in our code it says every Historic Landmark or Historic Landmark District may be assigned a set of detailed zoning um District regulations such regulations may be designed to supp to suppl to modify any element of existed zoning regulation to the following Ed floor area ratio density height setback parking minimum Lots side transfer development any additional regulations provided for zoning Amendment May identify individual properties improvements landscape features architectural sites categories or properties Improvement landscape so there is an ability to when you're doing the um designation report for these districts to add requirements of atic which is why I'm asking specifically very clever thank you good for that information okay pending the staff's answer to the question we're going to is there any anybody on Zoom is there any dissent or anybody in else in support of this if not we're going to close the public hearing thank you very much and we're going to take the last question from staff so please feel free to so I will tell that we don't treat contributing structures any differently than we do individually designated structures in terms of what we ask for um it does call out in the review guide as uh the roof slopes are steeply pitched tipped or cross- cabled roofs crossed covered with Clay shingles original drawing specify tile shingles asbesto shingles and slate tower roofs are conical in shape um for this specific property it calls out uh the overlapping shingles with a the photo pointing to the tile that was on the roof of the time which was what was there originally uh and then uh Dormer secondary level shed roof brick coining could you read that specifically what it says about the shingles again that sentence as it is written overlapping shingles the the entire sentence please overlapping shingles is a sentence is a sentence so can you read the the the the leading up to that sentence please okay so that's calling out this specific property in the review guide in the material discussion about the district characteristics it says roof um hold on uh roof Slopes Roofing Materials the roof slopes are steeply pitched hipped or cross- cabled roofs covered with Clay shingles and then in parentheses original drawings specify tile shingles espresso shingles and slate so if you're going with a review guide it goes back to Clay and um the where you just were with the on the specific property what what it what are all the things that says about the specific property overlapping shingles Dormers with rectangular multi-pane Windows secondary level shed roof brick coining surrounding French doors thank you Miss counts okay thank you okay the public hearing is not only closed we're back to board discussion there's no further discussions or questions of Staff you can sit down please sir thank you very much for your presentation okay so we're having board discussion I think Mr Garcia pun's questions to staff and the example that that Cara gave which is well if we're going to do this for the S style and we going to remand that it's sort of the same example the issue that I have with that analysis and I want to hear your thoughts is that I think the EST stle detracts from the from the historic nature of the property because it was an original this one I think they have an applicant that has gone out of their way to the point of sourcing and going to France and doing all this research to make it not only true to what it was to what is there okay but maybe a better example of what it should be the question becomes is is that better example quote unquote okay detract away from the overall District or not am I understanding your your concern now my I'm not concerned about the quality of it right I think it's just a matter of yes that does it meet the criteria and the criteria is from what I heard slate overlapping tiles now there was a photo attached to it which shows it as horizontal and Clay versus slate so I I think there is room unless I am completely incorrect at understanding what a district is versus an individual designation is which I'm pretty sure I'm not that there is some leeway in the district versus an individual building as long as it meets the criteria as stated in words in the designation report and unless I'm hearing the words differently I think there's room for something like this now we all have our own votes and we can have our opinions but I think there there the door is open the only difference here is is between it being fishtail as opposed to just rectangular rectangular I mean I Mo most of you are more learned than me in this in this area but I just don't see how this in any which a perform detracts from the historic nature of the property I think it adds to it if nothing more so and I think it if if it is within the confines of the definition what the district should be I don't I I I think we're doing a service to the property as opposed to the service by by allowing it uh to be modified as the applicant Quest and I would add that Dormers were explicitly written in the designation report and staff seems to be okay with their removal on the addition are right but it was designated when when was the house built I mean this roof is is waiting gold okay I'm I'm really torn on this one I I keep go I keep going back to to this concept of of we know and I have a bigger problem because if we go back to the original the original was was clay tile the original was slate so so that's original slate yeah so the original slate and like I get into this issue of of of redesigning the house right like that's where where does it stop I guess where does the line Go I mean I see what you're saying uh Mr Garcia Pond about there being some leeway in the language of the of the district um so I guess that's why I'm on the fence right it go either way um but I think I'm I personally I'm more comfortable going back to what we know was there originally which was a square cut slate in a in a multicolored pattern but but again that's just my opinion as much as I would love to see that that fish style fish scale any further discussion what I would like to do is just move like to call for a motion yeah I would like to move and then just test it out and if it goes one way then it goes if he doesn't then you know so I will make a motion to approve the design proposal for the installation of the slate roof as presented by the applicant and to approve the design proposal for the copper roofs uh with Domer removal as presented on the property located at 516 uh kala cagula Avenue legally described as lot six uh uh Lots 6 7 and 8 block 125 cores Riviera section part 10 according to P off as recorded in the plat book uh 31 and page one of the pl records Florida and proove um the issuance of a special certificate of of appropriateness uh for the copper roofs and number removal as well as for the uh installation of the slate roof you have a second I'll second would you entertain a friendly Amendment absolutely sir I was hoping you would make the motion ex exclusive of the purple tile so it's just the exclusive of what I'm sorry excluding the purple tile to exclude the the purp tiles he said he was okay no no no it's exclus I I I I I agree with Mr Garcia Pon that the color it's off okay so yes I'll accept that for the amendment and that includes the fish tail I'm okay with that yeah yeah I'm fine with that okay so we have a motion by Mr BOS and second by Mr Dono to appr the application HBO would like to say something I just have one quick question to confirm because um The Proposal that we reviewed did not have that Chimney Cap that he had presented today does your motion also include the Chimney Cap no the motion did not include the Chimney Cap no it it does not because I as far as I understand Mr said as presented so it does okay just can we leave that for staff and then you guys to work out with him if I mean no Miss please just to clarify I you said copper but just to be clear the The Proposal was for a copper roof the hips and the proposal that was presented did not minus the presentation but the proposal that went through historic preservation board did not include the Chimney Cap so um which is just what was presented today so does your motion does not include the Chimney Cap is the proposal in front of me not necessarily the presentation right so the presentation does not include as far as I understand all the proposal the uh the the chimney caps so that's my motion thank you okay okay so we have a motion in a second is there any additions or amendments so does anybody have a thought on the Chimney Cap since it was presented to us or just continue does anybody have a friendly Amendment or not understand the Chimney Cap is not part of the motion but it can be which is why I'm asking because if not then we make an addendum to it by all means yeah I'm I'll defer to The Architects on so I look I just want a little discussion on that if you don't mind let's let's see if we can get the amendment here if I don't have when I know that it was expressed I was just checking before we voted Okay so okay so I'm going to call the question got it okay would you please call the role so clarification it does not include the chimney Camp does not include my understanding of the motion is does it not include the chimney CL cap it includ includes the proposal for the fish stale fish scale minus the purple edging um with the copper roofs copper hips and the Dormer removal as presented in The Proposal that went to Historic preservation board I want to make sure it says yes historic staff scale fish scale thank oh yeah okay call the question please Ro the RO Miss Alvarez yes Miss Den yes Mr Garcia Pon yes Miss Spain shoot I was counting the votes cuz you need five all come over you know that's not how that works I'm going to say yes I shouldn't I'm just telling you that I should not vote this way I'm going to say yes that is okay Mr Banos yes Mr Silva no Mr Maxwell no there's one missing motion pass Mr Dan I'm sorry I apologize Mr D yes okay you didn't get Miss Alvarez did you yeah she was approved 62 what is it how many 62 oh okay I feel better you shouldn't know good depends who you're asking DNA okay see all right thank you thank you okay old business no old business I have a question right wait sorry I do have a question to the chair yes you um any updates on City Hall reconstruction when are we going to hear about that again that's one of my updates um the city hall we're actually working right now with engineers and public works on Shoring options for some of the columns including the exterior column that we all had discussed um so there will be temporary Shoring installed on the exterior of City Hall at some point we are trying to make it as minimally invasive as possible I was with the engineers today from 11: to 1: p.m. until I had to go um so I'm learning I'm becoming a mini engineer I think good um so that's in process and the commiss the city manager's office will be providing an update to the city commission it'll either be on the upcoming agenda on Tuesday or the November agenda once the agenda is published which should be tomorrow I will confirm with you all and send you kind of a a reminder if you all want to tune in and if not I could do what we did last time and just send the link so you could kind of see what um the new um assistant city manager has to say about it okay um and just on that same point the a selection for that project is happening so the assessment process the for the sorry there's a there's an RFQ out for this city hall assessment um we are in process of reviewing those applications so hopefully sooner rather than later but it should be moving quickly okay is there any new business um the only thing I have for new business is we have our um annual joint meeting with landmarks Advisory Board to be scheduled um if we all agree to today I spoke with some of the representatives from that board and they were okay with the 30 minute window at 330 beginning at 3:30 on November 20th the day of our historic board meeting that's fine okay we'd be meeting here we would be meeting here at 3:30 and then our regular meeting would begin at 4 okay okay okay that's all any other any questions by any the board members what was the date again Anna uh 11:20 thank you which is our next which is our next meeting Mr preservation board meeting and if you all want to discuss there is a December meeting um so if we want to look at new dates I think we might have moved our December meeting last year up we can talk about that so that might be something to look at your calendars and I think it falls relatively early within the holiday window so we should be okay for December so we're supposed to be here at 3:30 yes so we're going to have a 30 minute meeting it's a joint meeting just updates that's what I've been provided if you all want to do our our joint meetings have relatively been short okay besides the one where we had the window the light fixtures so and Anna correct me if I'm wrong but it it's looking to be a lengthy meeting the November meeting no or not maybe I don't know I'm not I'm she doesn't know yet I'm still here today she doesn't know right one meeting at a time think about it tomorrow Stephanie is that contrasting today's short meeting yeah yeah still have a 10 minutes left I think until our 9:00 bed uh 9 o' bedtime here so uh hey he's doing good as a chair you know are there any commission items that no no that kind of just comes to the City Hall up forther discussion items of the board I have one but after we adjourn okay now remember you know about Roofing it doesn't matter if someone's got a really expensive roof and they can pay for more than someone's house with a roof stick with the roof rules you editorializing at this I am I just did I know I I love it sorry m p what when's the December date for the commission our meeting the 18 December what 18th that's what I have in my December 18th yeah December 18th is our regularly scheduled historic board meeting so if you all want to consider a new date the 4th or the 11 works for me okay well I just wanted to to know we can decide at the next meeting yeah uh just let me what Mike we can decide at the next meeting we just needed to make sure with noticing and all of that to get everything done it would be it's a week before lovely if you all want to consider it today they if you want to I mean is that good is the 18th good for everybody it's okay with me okay all right so we're going to go with it that's the majority okay right and the 20th we're meeting of December I mean of November November um you know that that meeting will be at 3:00 3:30 3:30 and um so we got it right I hope we get out I've got a Gaya that night and I'm going to be leaving by before 7 o' actually before 7 o'clock okay so I hope it's a short meeting yeah we'll work on the agenda Mr D Silva will get to get to chair it and for those okay is there anything else to be brought before the board no that is it we there is cake for everyone so okay motion to adjourn oh yeah we want to thank Mr amario the it he's our cgtv guy who does all of our presentations this is his last week so if he's here listening we gave him some thank you Mario Mario we will miss you okay if there's no more business I'd like to entertain a motion motion to adjourn have a motion all in favor okay recording e