July 29th 2024 and this is our commission Workshop budget um for the 2024 2025 fiscal year and Karen would you do a roll call for us just commission Deo pres commission Lor pres presion pres Mayers Pres p p c manager Christina Marie director of public wordss ke Parris pres Director of Finance Steve cofman pres city manager Charles R here and I everyone is present with that commissioner Banks if you would leave us an invation please stand if you're able father once again we give you thanks and praise and we lift of your name we pray that you continues to bless us and lead us in the way that we should go benefit the community I to the United States of America and to the for stands indivisible andice thank you everyone for joining us every the person one person and those of you that are out there in Virtual land thank you for being here today Charles with that I'm gonna go ahead and turn it over to you thank you mayor so we're going to start out with the CRA budget but first we wanted to give you a presentation on some available technology that uh is out there that can Aid us in our Economic Development efforts um place our AI is a unique uh company and they've been um we've been seeing them around in Main Street conferences and reveling conferences so I thought it'd be good to show you what's available it's a subscription service and we'll talk about that it's in the budget uh the preliminary budget um and so uh we're going to have a a a presentation for you so understand how we might use that data and you can decide if it's important to us uh as we go through our budget negotiations so I'm going to turn it over to Placer AI to uh introduce himself and give us a little presentation appreciate the inro Charles yeah hi everyone my name's uh Brendon stga over here. AI I'm an account executive here I appreciate um all your time today um so my plan today was to give you a quick overview of Placer um so you all have an understanding of who we are what we do um I'll walk through the demo it should take about 20 to 25 minutes um and then I'll leave the last like discuss we good Charles hang on a second uh the computer's at 100% [Music] I will just have to go with this you okay yes okay perfect I will um start by sharing my screen everyone and if you could all give me a thumbs up when you can see it that'd be great yeah it bigger H let me see if I can make it bigger h yeah I'll kind of zoom in on my as well might help you're on screen help a little bit okay go ahead okay great um so yeah uh placer.ai um in a nutshell everyone uh we are a location analytic analytics company which lever Mobile location data um to provide Market Intelligence on any physical place in the US um so we do this by harnessing data from millions of mobile devices and then anonymously aggregating that data to learn about any place um such as retailer shopping centers neighborhoods or even any road Street or Highway um so not only can we tell you how many people visit the place but we can also tell you where they live um where they work and where else they like to go um in just four short years we've become the leading data provider for over 4,000 customers at this point I'm currently adding about 25 to 30 new customers each week across 30 different Industries um and as a result of that effort we now work with over, 1300 Civic clients across the country so those are you know cities counties States uh downtown development organizations economic development organizations pretty much um everything across the board um also working with over 40 cities um throughout um at this point we work with Panama City uh Winter Park and City of Stewart to be field um and as HK more have come on board we've now expanded into restaurant groups Financial Services uh manufacturing companies and even airports so I'm gonna hop over um to the platform itself here and Charles I had um the Eva Li Park pulled up um for today's report I thought I I believe we covered that last time so I thought this would be a good example um but let me come back to the homepage here um so what you're currently all looking at is placers homepage um I like to compare explor tab to Google Maps um so you can come in here and type in any address or property um and what will currently populate is what is already already in our system um so for you guys if you were to you know work with us we'd have any location park downtown event venue anything you would want to see data for on a regular basis um it would then appear to your search for um so I had the evil lion part pulled up uh for today's uh presentation um so first thing I want to point your attention to is our ad competitor feature um so we can actually add up to eight competing locations at once to view visitations side by side um or we can look at evil lion Park eight different times over eight different time frames to keep visitation towards them um next thing I'll Point your attention to is our date range so the data defaults the last 12 months of visitation uh we can actually come in here and select a custom date range and the data goes all the way back to January of 2017 up until the past couple of days so like I mentioned being able to look at right Eva lion Park eight different times over eight different time frames you know looking at visitation towards the park before Co you know during Co postco you know how has foot traffic increased to the park has it decreased and why is that I'm just going to leave it on the last 12 months of visitation for for our demo today um so first thing I I do want to call out in our overview section is our metrics portion um so this feature here is really the bread and butter of our data and this is the area where we get the free foot traffic data from um so in other words how many time or how many people visited um the park um and how many times did they visit so first item want to call out here to you all is panel visits so panel visits refers to the number of mobile phones um observed by Placer that have visited the park over the last 12 months we then take the panel visits number and extrapolate it out to account for the rest of the US population and that's the number you're seeing in visitors so visitors is that extrapolated number that refers to the unique singular people um that have visited the park over the last 12 months and then visits up here refers to how many times those people visited this property just just so you know that uh on our screen that our focus is a little soft so we can't read what those numbers are so if you could tell us what those numbers are visitors as well so uh before panel visits again the cell phones that we observed over the last 12 months we saw about 1. 6,000 total panel visits um through algorithms and statis statistical modeling uh we extrapolate that number out to see about 9.6000 total unique visitors that came to the park over the last 12 months um those 9,600 those 9.6 th000 unique visitors came um about 2.18 times um so we just multiply those numbers uh together to see about 20 or just under 21,000 total visits to the park over the last 12 months did zooming in uh help Charles yes yes it did very much um so coming down to visit Trends next which basically just breaks out visitation on either a daily weekly or monthly frequency um and we can kind of see the spikes in the graph here um here's one on February 24th you saw about 874 total visits on that day that so and I'm and I'm Charles I think we discussed event on April 6 here yeah yes so on April 6 you saw about three just over three and a half thousand total visits to the park and I can actually click on some of these uh daily visits right um this specific day and we can look at the stats a bit more around it right what day it happened on Saturday April 6th how many visits we saw about 3.6 th000 total visits um what that looks like versus last year versus the previous Saturday versus the average Saturday the day I'm G to switch over to our trade area um tab next and show you um all our heat map um so what this is looking at is the home locations of the visitors to the park over the last 12 months let me Zoom back in a little bit so you all can see this better so as I come down here I can actually zoom into the map itself um those red Pockets you all are seeing are where your higher number of visits are coming from uh and then blue being on the lower side I'll zoom out for all you uh for all of you too and you'll kind of see there's visitation pretty much all across the state I have a question okay so you youve got these numbers of the number of people that have visited park for certain days correct where are those numbers coming from cell phones cell phones so it's just cellones and then they aggregate what that could be in in in terms of a population of visitors correct and and just to just to give you guys a little more background on that as well so we're partnered with over 500 mobile applications and so basically when someone downloads one of those apps and Opps to location Services um that's how we have the location of the device um and we're in about 10% of the US population smartphones uh that's statistically significant enough to account for the other 90% um of the US population um throughout so through those panel visits or those cell phones visiting the park to account for the other 90% through statistical modeling and algorithms that's how we extrapolate that number um out to account for the uh rest of the US population I come down a little further with our visitors by Orin feature which which breaks out uh or breaks down you know where these people are coming from uh on a zip code level um so we can actually hover over any of these zip codes and tell you how many total visits you got from each zip code um within the 3211 to uh Z code we saw about 9.3000 uh visits to the park so about half of those total visits over the last 12 months can you show us where everyone came from on cfish day on April 6 yeah I think that was that spread you saw was that was that think was that origin map was that for the catfish Festival day or for that whole year so this is looking over the last 12 months what we could also we could you know instead of looking at the last 12 month once we could just look at the catfish um days if if you would like to yes please yeah okay and that was April April 6th April 6th this year so yeah we'll go to April 64 and now we're just looking at that one day's worth of data here now and just to confirm that if I come back to overview there you go so it's now it's showing that just that one day's worth of visits to the Pary at a 3. 6,000 number so if I come back in the trade area this is that the map of above the top your scen wi slow so yeah coming back to metrics and then I'm G to come back in trade area um so now this heat map is now filtered for just that single day of visitation look there I am 3500 let's say people that came that so are we doing any comparisons with some of our other events that we're doing we could with this software we haven't done anything no this is just for demonstration right yeah and just to cover that quickly right easy as just competitor right and you would pull up that other location of another event and then you can immediately view it side by side what degree of accuracy is is that accuracy what degree of accuracy yeah good question so just to give you some background around that right we work with you know not only 1300 Civic clients like I mentioned earlier um you know we work some with some of the biggest retailers um in the space right like Best Buy Target Dollar General um they're constantly back testing um you know our data I gu theirs right they take their ground shs data like uh people counters transaction data you know from their stores and they basically stack it up against ours um we're constantly coming between a 93 and 98% accuracy rate yeah you yes Dollar General retailers yeah got a midle we okay question yes so I don't know if you can hear me because I sure can't hear you very well um I it's like Str so for cities specifically um do you know what do most cities use the data for can you tell us that yeah yeah so it's pretty much used all across the board right in terms of like departments that that are using our data um we work with the economic development departments the parks in the wreck the public work works you know pretty much all across the board um when it comes to Economic Development um cities are using us to understand what types of businesses are a good fit in their city right um they're able to view the data in a way that might support their theories about hey we need a Trader Joe's or a Walmart right they then take this type of data um to that potential retailer or restaurant and use it uh to leverage them to to come to their cities uh when it comes to you know parks and wck um departments they're using us to understand you know what parks are being used the most um what par should we spend more money in what partk should we be writing grants for and and things along those lines um and being able to understand our marketing efforts right when it's marketing for a specific business a specific Park uh being able to understand right on a heat map level where these people are coming from where should we focus on marketing efforts right um and looking at that from my ZIP code level doing same thing with that information um those are just some of the ways that that City are are using us um and there's plenty more in what I can do and I Charles I think I should Miss with you as well but um there are some use cases and case studies that I could that I could follow up after today's demo for you guys to look over it and can you show the the track where they go after the event you had a you could show a list of destinations yep yep yeah I was getting to that here so yeah just a um finished up this ZIP code I just wanted to Al also show you uh the year-over-year change feature um so for the event it's going to tell us um where are we increasing visitation from uh year over year so so yeah Going H back to what Charles actually just mentioned I am going to come into uh visitor Journey next and I'm going to scroll down your favorite places here so what favorite places is looking at is you know since we monitor the cell phones 247 we can tell you the people that came to the catfish event um what other properties did they visit um over that entire day um and this is showing us the top you zoom in on that yes and I'm GNA zoom in and just for um you might see right the catfish Festival showing up as number one it's because we created a custom place of interest it has to be verified by play so you know we don't even have to look at the festival I would just look at two down so can you zoom in a little more yeah Victoria the the pink ice cream building the big lake and cheeks and much much more building at four North Summit Street catfish Festival Three Bananas e l Park Walmart which obviously few those are kind of not accurate but like we could use this to say we wanted to help through bananas develop a marketing campaign we can look at Three Bananas see where their customers are coming from and help them plan better we look at any anything so if we want to look Windixie and see where does everybody actually live that shops of Windixie right we can do that with this yeah and with any of these events you know it gives you because that's something else that that I have an issue with on the TDC is that you know what's the economic impact when we're giving out this money how how do we really have account for what who's coming here how they're coming here yeah exactly where they're coming from and and what kind of an economic impact it's having on the community this shows I mean you can get you get all your data from right here for new businesses wanting to come in also this is um be very you'll Noti an advertising campaign like do radio in Palm Coast if that worked cfish festival or that kind of stuff and newspaper advertising any of that I can yeah track it so how much does this cost PR yeah yeah so I just wanted to also show one through 10 as well right this this list goes on and on here's 11 through 202o Express so this helps us the other thing this helps us with is often times and we get a lot of these a lot of people that don't want events here they don't feel that it benefits the businesses this shows how many people and how it actually the feed off from those events does benefit of business people producers Hardware Dollar General Circle K bajat Taco Express Mar two other Circle Cas and Cate Bank gu ATM so I mean yeah so that's helpful I mean that's helpful for for event planners too that are wanting to put events on that that helps also how the impact it's going to have on the outline businesses in the area okay go ahead okay yeah so um coming up here too I'm gonna just zoom out for just a second um so uh in our visitor Journey tab right we have different places and if I scroll up here to our spider chart here in visitor Journey um so what favorite places uh told us was over that entire day what other properties have did these people visit so somebody could have came to the park went back home and then went to like the grocery store later on uh what this spider chart is telling us is where these people were directly before coming uh to the festival and then where they went to directly leading the festival so let me zoom in for on this as well ice cream home other jom back ladies I always like to toggle home and work off too right so we can see some you know more businesses pop up here as well okay okay so what did you turn off homework okay so now it's just showing the businesses before and the businesses after so even after they went to a food festival 5% went to three bananas oh we have food so well it says bad they went to probably [Music] because there's no back ladies but it's still registering somewhere it's using address from Facebook whatever it was it's just trying to match a see yeah coming over to I wanted to hop back into um our overview page and kind of wrap things up to show you um a few more features U Back in the overview page so um here's H visitor during rout so this is just showing us whates these people are taking to get to the bus that kind restricted one Road in one road out yeah right exactly and we can also see where where they from so um and then coming down even further um we can look at hourly visits for the festival so busiest times of the day that's important catfish know they need to have staff I it for the catfish know that we know that because we were there I mean some of this is really good but some of this you know it already well you have might might have feeling that but this gives a status back you know that's how we do the C over here that's why I wanted to know where the DAT actually came from because it's important I mean you know you get a feeling that oh we got a lot of people here right but you really don't know what that number is and so it's important just understand where we're getting the number from it makes sense this point of the game it's not just a guess anymore hard it's that exactly I would like to write so coming down to to daily visits obviously you know we're just looking at one day's worth so Saturday's just going to pop up there and we can also look at visit duration um so on average how long do the people stay at the festival for it says about 64 minutes on average and then we can break it down right how many total people stayed between 60 and 74 minutes about 451 uh there was a good amount about 420 people that stayed for over 50 minutes as well volunteers that's great interesting so in terms of today's uh demonstration everyone that's pretty much um all I had to show you all um so just wanted to leave you know the next five to 10 minutes for for any questions that you that you guys might have well DJ already asked the main question that we really want to know is the cost that's the cost the cost bottom line bottom line yes yes so yeah I actually um had a chance to discuss this with Charles as well so we're um we're typically priced as a one-year subscription to the platform um what is included in that is a limited access for the entire city so anyone with um a city of Crescent um email domain will have access to the platform um to look over any piece of data um that we looked at today um it's also going to come with access to our customer success team so um we don't just you know give you the platform and say good luck um the customer success team are the people that are working with the over, 1300 C clients we have today um and they're helping them onboard them train them in the platform helping them understand use cases around the data I'm really there to help you every step of the way um to get the most R um for the entire subscription um you'll also access to them as well um so we priced uh based on population and Charles and I had a chance to discuss this this time around but um for for your city um it would be $10,000 for the year and that's in their it support line in the budget draft I gave you just so we could Factor it in was coming out c yeah before the C any other questions my question would be um with Chambers like Chamber of Commerce are you working the Chamber of Commerce or tourist developments yes yeah so beond like I mentioned at top the call when I was screen sh so here I'll actually switch back to that so um here we go um so yeah over 1300 Civic clients today right so that's like cities couny states um dmos Chambers of Commerce um CBB is pretty much everything across the board okay well thank you very much for that we're gonna um that'll be part of our budget discussion over the next hour one more question one more question um so the subscription that would we only be able to look at data like and areas or addresses in our city or like you say we wanted to see pla Would we not be would we be able to do that would we' be able to see data in other cities like our neighbor Paca yes absolutely yep um access to any POI across the country or place of interest okay I'll I'll be in touch with you let you know how it turned out all right sounds good I appreciate take you thank you okay that is interesting you don't really have to decide today we've got a couple months but I worked it in so you could see how it would work um in the it where we pay for Adobe and 365 and all that I added $110,000 to cover the subscription but it has a lot of usefulness yeah it's a pretty interesting even like the plaza when they're looking at a cent tenant we could show the traffic at the plaza and so forth they question like looks empty to me we can say well we actually have data that shows the number of visits oh saot Clos yeah save lot closet has about three vacancies left in there I think it would be yeah very beneficial to prospect prospect businesses and current businesses all said to be able to come in here and and of course they have to go through us to pull that data we use it and pull it out and give it to someone andove you know hey this isn't just a sleeping town this is how many people we trct events and how many people that come through every day and that kind of stuff they're coming from which that's really hard to get any other way you know commission um yes so one thing that occurred to me is I mean this is very interesting I've never seen anything like it it's kind of big brothery yeah that was yeah anything like commissioner Burton's question that was what I written down how do they know how do they know it's people not animals so somebody's not listening to your anyway right so but um as far as you know to to get the big picture and this is kind of a question for Charles um so you know how many people are here um what you don't like as far as helping business my question is how do you get the other piece of the puzzle for example when people come here say they go to saal L Plaza I mean how do you know if they're going just to hang out in their car um or to go in someplace and use a restroom and the other thing is you know as far as um helping businesses a a key thing I think that businesses want to know is what are the demographics and the economic um what is the spending capacity of the people who come I'm not sure it tells that it doesn't but I'm saying how are there other companies that do that because to me for economic development planning um a baseline is how many people come here but then the next step is why are they coming are they spending money and what is their you know what what is their income capacity what are they really looking for and you know for example do people not come here because of certain things and then um on the days of the festivals um I don't know if we can capture this information I've been wondering about this for a while you have people coming in and then they visit businesses But A $64 question to me is um how much are they spending when they go is it um more than the typical spending on different days are you displacing some customers with other customers I mean there's there's another layer other layers more information than we ever have any other way be able to find that question okay so you have a company that does that no not a company but um it's my understanding that some cities and businesses do surveys I mean I've suggested that we survey our Vats for example just to find out why are you here um the man pardon that requ I'm not finished for example if we don't know a lot about our boat ramps you don't have to go there every day it doesn't take that long but business I've been surveyed when I go to malls or businesses and you know there are statistical surveys you ask a certain number of questions so saying this is very good Baseline data but there's more information that you need um to kind of plan an economic development plan and also what what kind of shopping do you want to attract so I'm just saying there's another layer to it you can't just say just because people are here um they're spending money we need to know we need to know more about you know what they' spent well I think I think what we're talking about really you know I'm going to try and put it in a nutshell basically we would be spending $10,000 information for that that shows who's coming into the city and everything but how how do we actually Roi that okay so it's an expense to the city how do we determine what that actually is bringing you know paying for because you want it to pay for the $10,000 and and hopefully plus bring more into the city whatever it have be on us to use it yeah so so that that's really what my concern would be is right now how would we at $110,000 data is great you know and but just spend it for for the fact of getting data without it really accomplishing anything for the city doesn't make any sense to me that's just my opinion have you known of any other main streets using the data or what they use it for um The Challenge I've had in my career they always talk about um you need to survey your Merchants to see their sales well Merchants are typically shy about talking about the revenue and their sales they say well use your sales tax data well generally s the service area is too big usually it's a small town downtown and so you know you're some fraction of that big number that you get of sales tax so that hasn't been useful so this is finally a tool that literally counts people doesn't say how much they spent how much they're capable of spending or what their preferen are use a cellone I went but if you have it with you it counts you everyone's cell phone is is tracking you at all times and then what they do is they anonymize the data so it doesn't say your name or anything or phone number and they pull that from about 100 different companies and use that data to extrapolate a number so whether you know it or not if you have Google Maps on your phone if you have Google if you have so if you have an Android phone it tracks you and that data is sold regardless of you know whether you like it or not and whether you even use it it's in your pocket all the time transmitting it's just data so you can make it usable yeah but just like talking about the boat ramps we can use that to see where the location of people that come through that area and what times the day they go through what times what days the week when we were talking about theing the boat ramps like oh no one's going to be able to use we can look on for last year and the year before and see how many people actually used the boat ramps and where they're coming from and if they could use it I mean there's there's a ton of things that we can use it for and I need to dig into some of those case studies to talk about Economic Development so we we'll bring this back this is just a first look at this but I'd like to go ahead and go through um the revenue and expenses had a comment well I just wanted to state that for um a couple of years now at the farmers market we've had volunteers that walk around with the clipboard because then try to you know gauge where people are coming from um and it's really hard to do that and with this data it would allow us to be able to apply for different grants because we would have um you know real numbers to show people or sponsors or the TVC for example um our Main Street program has yet to acquire any grants for any of our events um and this data would help support that we would we would be able to show potential sponsors for example Comcast was just a very large sponsor and they wanted an estimate of how many people uh were projected to attend the fireworks and I just couldn't give them that accurate number I been able to perhaps more I mean it's just invaluable even the small matching grants application asked what you proi this facility's attendance will be what do you base that on we have nothing to go by currently know that at the TVC that's one of my first questions is you know and that's and that's a lot of times with how much money we're able to a lot is where is your are they coming from out of the county are you bringing them in from out of the county because if they're coming from out of the county then they're spending out of County money in count and so you know but I mean there's something definitely to think about yes kind Segways into what Charles is about to cover um I have a question on sales tax which that's okay partly so you mentioned um that the the data on sales tax is for too large in area so do we actually not know what the sales tax revenue is for the city L don't we get part of that well we get the state our state portion but that would be for the entire City not for the Main Street District so we'd have to figure out a way to extrapolate it down to how much of that came out of Central and Summit you know but we would get the entire city data we wouldn't get but aren't most of our commercial Enterprises in one or more of the C I mean in one of the cras well they they're all in a c just about but for instance if we wanted just for the Main Street District we couldn't have we wanted just the North ra we wouldn't be able to get we'd have to figure out the math to to sort that out yeah but we can find out what the sales tax revenue is for the entire city the city but um but is it reported on a daily basis no I don't think so you pay your sales tax it depends on it depends on the amount of sales tax you bring in so some people some people pay them monthly and you pay it a month in you know and others others do it quarterly some people have to that's how they're set up they don't bring in enough enough money so they do it quarterly so no you don't do it daily um so there's no way of being able to tr that and say what was the peak when did they you know right and and a company is typically not going to hand that information that's proprietary and they're not going to hand that over to you especially if they're trying to promote themselves as being successful they no I get that so anyway the state reporting is not as sophisticated absolutely not okay that's thank you so if we start with our revenues for the CRA um just like we talk about every year we can figure out the city portion of the income and the county portion but the prior year fund balance is an estimate a best guess at this point and as we get closer and closer to adoption we give it our best guess right before adoption we've only got a month left uh and we can get a pretty good guess of how much would be left so we can show that as spendable uh funds for the year so you can see we're we're figuring we have 174 500 in the central 23,400 in the north and just uh 4,400 in the South can I I ha to interrupt you Charles but I just want to make sure I've got like 10 budgets here yeah me to so which one cra Revenue page um is it I guess it's this one that I have my notes that I well you should have $174,500 for the central okay and then 23400 okay and this is the column second this is one two six column okay I'm good I just want to make on that subject have a question so the most recent one is the one with a column that says year to date June AC yes okay and my observation is if I could when we are having the same document printed well important documents printed um down in the um the whatever the foo where the page numbers is is you can put the date and the time that will really help we used to do that and Charles remember when you first we used to do that we used to date dat of the draft just so we all know we're looking most recent one okay so we got kind of a fundamental shift um related to our main support of our Main Street organization where we're talking about switching from providing a paid position to a contract for services this is a way to get the finally that final step so we can become um what's the term Christina for the third year certified accredited yeah fully accredited program um so we'll have a contract for service with them and they'll hire their own executive director and they're currently looking for rental space and so forth so what we did with that in order to facilitate that is I moved the the payroll expenses that were in the central they were kind of spread out over Central north and south I moved them all into the north that that fund uh now has gets more Revenue than the Central and and it's been pretty heavy so that's why you see in the current 2025 we have zero for salaries FICA pension health insurance all that was moved to the north CRA so then we have $1,500 in training education which is the same that's enable to go to the main street conference the F conference possibly the certification Institute uh travel as well and then car allowance is uh 3,000 just like last year that's because we don't have a vehicle for the CRA and uh Christina was using her truck quite a bit um for work and we don't have insurance for her truck the Professional Services line that's for the the service agreement theou with Main Street would be the $50,000 um to conduct our Main Street program to make sure we follow the Main Street approach and then we have U telephone Improvement projects that's just where we buy the Planters uh or bricks or pots uh it's important to note that a CRA once we we can buy the plants and put them in we can't maintain the plants we're not supposed to use C funds for ongoing U maintenance and repair so the general fund switches the general fund yes that point um and then we zero advertising um and others down to 500 festivals is zero because we are prohibited now from you we can actually fund an inaugural Festival if we have a lot of CRA information there about our other programs and so forth but uh we just needed the money in our grant program so I made that zero so it support that's uh the contribution to the monthly the ongoing it support and then the it licenses that has the $10,000 for AI Placer plus $1,000 for the um you know like Microsoft those those annual fees a little bit of operating supplies membership that's membership the national Main Street Center and the Florida R Development Association um indirect cost allocation that's the transfer back to the general fund that covers the overhead uh that for the cra cra doesn't have its own finance department for example and then this is a new line that I'm proposing a housing Rehabilitation grants and that would be a fund where we could paint someone's house we could fix the roof whatever we want to do those houses that are in the CRA we would have a dedicated there was some concern last year that if we're fixing houses we won't we deplete the fund for the commercial uh so this way we have I'm proposing uh $10,000 in housing and $58,000 in the commercial because it's mostly commercial and this will be a start with the housing um I believe in the CIP I had where we were going to apply for some grants not for 25 but in 26 um and so that that matches income equals Revenue equals expenditures 174 500 as we get closer we see we have more Revenue we can decide we want to put more in that housing or more in that Redevelopment Grant Line This is just Central right this is just the central yeah can you explain more about the Shifting the cost so does that mean that Christina is no longer going to be SI manager or like how what does this mean for Christina well that'll be up to Christina if she wants to go with the partnership and they'll have to hire her or if she wants to stay as C manager and let them hire somebody else but she those two positions will work very closely together the C position will will manage and I I in the in the answers to the questions from commissioner deito I send out a caption of the job description to be handling all the grant programs for all the cras uh working with businesses recruitment um property development all the normal C stuff and will just be supportive of the Main Street program and their initiatives and and their executive director it'll be a partnership because the the the aims are the same so either the Donal partnership would be hiring a director or we need to be hiring or we be manager correct okay question yes commission thank you okay so Charles my question I don't know if I asked this in the email that I sent to you um so we can um legally pay our C manager out of north and south and not um use Central for her or their um salary but legitimately use their services for Central even if Central is not paying correct and how do we do that because everything else we a portion don't we a portion we a portion the um the amount to City Administration and finance correct and it comes equally out of the the 3C uh I believe so yeah um all I can tell you is if you want me to get a legal opinion on that um I know we can't technically we can't use someone paid by the CRA in a nonc area of the city for general fund expenditures but as long as they're within the CRA uh to my knowledge we don't distinguish between CRA um but if you would prefer I can U I don't know if Mr Holmes would know that but I could ask the the F for a legal opinion well I I'm just wondering because we always portion it and I mean we don't have ever use we don't ever use um capital of grant funding from one C in the area of another C that is why that kind of occurred to me well just get a legal opinion and just or some are an opinion or even a thou we could even put a thousand dollar of payroll in there and then she's paid out yeah just how our talk to okay I'll see if Don knows but yeah I think that would be the best way to do that I mean for the long time we didn't even have a CRA manager you know so it was and The Way We Were dividing it out we weren't necessarily always taking the money out of like the South CRA even though it was spread there it was budgeted there um trying to to make it easier for our staff as well but I I'll find out any other questions on the central um yes commission okay um well I think I just okay I had I just have some comments really to share with the rest of the commission my thoughts about um some of the things that Charles has put in here um and to share with Charles as well um it occurs to me um I think the residential Grant Line is a good thing it talks about U providing grants to R some in the residential areas of our cras um one thing I would like us to consider is instead of using that money for a direct Grant because I don't think it would go very far temp when you're talking about rehabilitating the home I mean I think even that very small house on SE street that we gave Grant to paint was what5 or $6,000 it was so 10 $10,000 doesn't go long way if you pay the whole thing um something that other C do is they give some form of a loan and you could do it any way you wanted to but to me um if we used the residential grant money and maybe even the commercial grant money for a loan so that the the property armor had to pay it back that would kind of make the money go farther circulate money so I'm just throwing that out as a way to stretch the dollars increase um the improvements um just a second oh the question I have for question I have for the city manag is um on page 2 line 38 on the memberships um then when we see the next version of this budget could those things be spelled out so that we know oh the acronym yes right the acronym and then um is this CRA a member like is either the city or the CRA currently paying for a for exess for hisor preservation membership the city is the city does yes okay so I'll put City and then I didn't understand um going up to going up to line 30 where it says telephone on page two also um there's a note in comments that says need to add overhead for electric bill of the building yeah that's thanks for reminding me about that we do need to currently the CRA pays part of electric for the annex but I don't didn't see where it was uh in here Steve we need to look at that and okay make sure it's I didn't know for example you just said the partnership would be looking for other space they would not be using the city space anymore yeah they're looking they've been looking for a while to move out and to rent their own space okay and so we would be paying how much would we PID partnership was it 30 or 50 it's 50,000 in four quarterly uh so they provide you with a report what they've done uh the money uh what they plan to do the next quarter they provide a annual work plan uh we make sure consistent with the implementation strategy for the master plan so it' be accountability and accounting of the they provide a financial report as well every quarter okay so we would what line that is in Professional Services which is 29 that's the 30 from the north I mean from the central got it okay bud to 50 so okay that's the main street contract um so essentially we would have two positions essentially that would be funded from some part of the CRA budget that would be um addressing Economic Development C issues effectively etc etc one would be on contract um and it would make that it would make that the Main Street also more independent it would give it its independence contribution more in line with the model yeah doesn't know that they're gonna that they would use you know how they were going to use that they're going to pay 30,000 if they you know what they would pay for salaries and what they could use it Services um I guess um those were my questions on that now yes so we'll go to the the north so in the north this is where the salary shows up for the CRA manager which is also FICA Medicare pension health insurance um now this Education and Training money you may not been aware is also to educate you the CRA board so you want to go to the F conference you don't have to use your commission training money which is enough as it is uh to go to the F conference you want to go to Main Street conferences G get information uh that's what that money is for uh Professional Services in this case is just a little bit we use that for appraisals um renderings we use it for surveys that sort of thing the reason why that was so L that was the master plan Master yeah uh Improvement projects is also that would if we if you were to go forward with a Gateway entrance feature as an example would come out of there it could be um working on the Landscaping then when I bought the bushes the Exel is up there came out of that line as an example anything to improve the district uh and again here's the housing Rehabilitation grants um and the Redevelopment Grant lines and then a little bit of advertising in case we needed some legal advertising specific to the CRA uh some other and then the indirect cost allocation again is that transfer to the general fund to help cover the overhead do we have in the um in the study that we did for the especially the two new ones the South and North do we have a a building survey that tell us how many actual homes are in the north SI I don't know but but I can count them almost on probably on two hands I was wondering the same thing because 55,000 it's the houses on the north side of Harry Banks Park and there's a couple on the way over towards the highway and that's about it in the north some of those houses are pretty yeah if I could it's the number of houses is not that great but as Charles said they're in bad shape and just painting something I me a roof for a house is what 10,000 minimum so I mean to me one thing I would like to look into is um and maybe this is something the CRA manager could do um what could we really do with that money like I mean for example in the central CRA $10,000 um we found when we looked at those grants does not go very far what what kind of light do we have what needs to be done to remedy that light and how you know how many properties could we address at one time because there there is FL that is very true so that gives us a total the $230,400 and then again we'll we'll tweak this as we go forward okay we have any questions on so is that equal to our that equals revenue revenue so any fund balance is going to be with the CRA we have to roll the fund balance in that's not it is well it's an estimate we have an estimate we find look on the revenues page and it's the third prior year fund balance lines five 10 and 15 very first page okay okay okay so all right so PR I see um so we get the that gives us our say in the north the 23,400 that equals the expenditures so Charles with this grant with the housing Rehabilitation grants would that have to go um because I know ship to get on you and I went to that we went to that that's hard that's and that's you got to be fast and the room was full it was packed and there was already applicants from the year prior um that are carried over so that but I know that there's um some some residents that are looking at that but like to get a new roof they have to have a tree removed well then that tree removal is you know being quoted $1,400 that's somebody right now that I'm talking to about that could that be that could that be used for that it's up to you we Ed for get the job done do it okay it's right on the house um I talked to the people who administer the ship Grant uh and I think they told me for the whole County I forget the exact number but it was an extremely low number like 20 yes it was like 20 so to me um and it it takes 20 20 yeah because the it's because of the amount of money and ship grants are actually pretty pricey to do the mayor mentioned um you know there are other things they have to do and as well this is very this is very distressing and it comes into play if we're going to spend CRA money um some people who I talked to who were interested in applying for the ship rent locally from Crescent City they aren't eligible for ship Grant in first second third place because they don't have home owners insurance they can't afford homeowners insurance so in other words if you don't have homeowners insurance you can't get your house dropped because of trees that's right on top of your house W insure you so just people don't feel they have that in their budget so one question for us is um you know are we going to give somebody a grant if they don't have homeowners insurance and I don't know how much they cost but it because complicated that's a good question well often times like with a roof so the insurance companies have come in now and I think what is it 11 years 10 years if you if it's a shingle roof and then they quit insuring unless you replace it so if they quit insuring on and they replace the roof and that's all that's required and they should be hopefully be able to get insurance right I'm some people just don't put that they don't put maybe we could encourage them to um but I think there probably so few ship grants handed out yes maybe there might be one person in the whole city who would get a ship grant that we could help them with to me I think we need to concentrate on the people um who aren going to be able to get a ship Grant anytime soon they also take a lot of time well you know when time just for the county they do for C in the count as long as you're in the county and you meet and you meet their requirements and you get right so do we need to put together a residential program I mean we have the the CR grant program which we have been using but yeah I think we need to guess fine tune that for yeah if you guys approve this we'll we'll create a form form and so forth so we can discuss that a little more I would encourage you to be as liberal as possible just to get the job done it might help them get insurance and so forth um to clean up the the main goal is to start we need to start it's not to solve everything start maybe just one grand a year do a good job next year we move on so so in the South it's this a just $40,000 we haven't done much in the South um I know when the when the RV park opens we're going to get a bump probably a significant bump South it's in the South C so I haven't seen any movement yet yeah not August yet okay okay so we got you see we took out I took out the salary but again I may have to put a little bit back in there um there's some more training money there and then Improvement projects again that would would was to covery of the sign um we did we did pay for some banners out of that I think one time um if we were to do any RightWay improvements anything there it's so tight down there there's not much room and then Professional Services again that's for surveys and appraisals and so forth and then so we have $199,000 for a grant program there uh there are houses in the South CR they're not in bad shape there there's one row the um it's the east side of Main Street I think uh you turn the pink and the white house and there's a row of houses yeah there's not much maybe less than half a dozen their backs to the highway you can see the backs of the houses through from from the highway they're in the South SE and just not in there because of the street not the whole side so there's not so I didn't I didn't add one in there we certainly can do that but there's so little money in this thing this might help us those businesses that down there might you know get painted or a facade gr or a sign gr something like that so that's the 40,000 $400 any any questions on the CRA ,400 that's the total for the South the projected total and and Charles would you just just for um with all of these that are read in in parentheses because somebody out there in virtual world will mangle this information um that's just the change over last year you clarify that they're not they're not negative this is just change yes reduction and spending anticipated reduction we we have all those financial advisors out there that will clarification so if anybody decides to look at this if they need a question do we have any more questions on C and the South CRA um well it didn't say anything but okay okay we'll move on wait no that's okay read um I have a question about what what as tax numbers are we using right here for this are you ready to go to general fund so what tax numbers are we using those are calculated off the current um yeah so there will be a little decrease if we roll that back I'm not talking about roll back because there's a whole step before you get to roll back so we are using the 2024 numbers for cor that's the the values for 2024 the new values the revenue yes CR yeah those are the new based on the current millage rate Z yeah okay so when minute these are the new values at one point I think your memo said that you were there was some confusion about there was we didn't have a roll back rate so this is the current Mill rate so again if you vote to roll back the rate the revenue will go down a little bit in the C okay well that was my second question but my first question is these are the updated a value numbers yes yes in other words there's not going to be any adjustment to the tax numers to my knowledge this is these are the final numbers that we received correct okay okay um there was a problem cator yeah showing higher which is yeah we got to figure it out so this is accurate okay but the second question is so obviously if we do aoll back rate that funds yes okay okay so are we ready for the general fund yeah so just I'll kind of make some opening comments um and Steve's going to go through the each department with you um basically this is what we sent out to you was the current millage rate same and and all state is late on giving us their revenue numbers so we just use the same numbers as a starting point kind of get a feel for where we are so so all the share revenues and yeah the six all those things from the state are the same as last year um so this is a first blush so we we're hoping the state revenue will go up um and then we finally worked out what happened with the roll back rate the roll back rate will be up 8 8.4 8.4 something so would be a little bit we would need to Trend about $199,000 out of this budget that you have and I think that's achievable so that's sort of the context we're going to step through it today um but this will give you an idea right now it's a balanced budget income equals expenses and there is a little bit of anticipated leftover amount based on our spending this year but we don't count that the C fund we have to count that in general fun we leave it and then we discover what it is and it's like Christmas we put it back in hopefully unless it's in the red which we have not been in the red since long before I got here so that's how we have a million dollar Surplus is we are always in the BL at least Al though we know what our what our our rollover number is going to be because in the past we've asked that question and it was just there it was almost like there wasn't it just went it just got Blended in there and you started with a brand new budget at least now I like the fact that we have a number we've had that number um and again that that number will keep changing as we spend money it's a projection but if we to look at the revenues if we did the roll back rate it would be to bring the exact same amount of Revenue in as we did last year yes so then we would need to trim out of the general fund about 19,000 no we need to 83,000 now the total amount just the war right here we for amended budget sorry 938 yeah budg 9 574 the our adopted budget is not what the actual Revenue was it should be 9% more than that it was it was over a million dollar wasn't actual last year yes yeah was million and do you have that for my understanding the at the same rate % color so I mean we would be using roughly the same number as last year because that's the whole point of rollback rate is that we do not get any an increase in the amount of money that comes in right we just whatever we got last year and then what we would be using this year adopted last year was 9385 74 but we we collected more than that right but even if we collected more than that we're still going to do the same percentage so it would be roughly the same we can only spend money so but they the higher amount that we actually collected becomes the new number what our becomes the new number that's what we collected we're going to not increase that collection but still and so from this year we still collect the same amount and take out commission that the taxer makes and then it's still the same amount so I mean we're looking at I can tell you what we got on the 420 tells us we collected over a million dollars after all that and that's the number we work from the member of the the dr420 okay just clarification here so what you're saying is did [Music] you so I don't this is getting very confusing um are what I guess um the right question I'm trying I'm trying to formulate my question um would could we assume that some of the increase in ad the loan taxes above what we budgeted for is because of new construction coming online what causes the the um the collections above budget I don't know well you would have to think that if you have a sale I mean so they weren't anticipating the sale they they looked at it that that was at 3% itead the property sold so now it's now it's going to be right it's going to be assess changes yes commissioner Lori please and also when we put out we charge a certain amount of taxes the tax collector takes a commission off of that for collecting it so that's what comes out of it because I mean and so if we increase but I I don't understand what your but what I'm saying is I'm here we have at form it went up 125,000 right so that's the amount that we would have to cut out of the budget if we wanted to roll back the rate because the roll back rate is to bring in the same amount of money and revenue that we brought in last year so regardless of what the commissions all better that's the number that we used was 938 that would be what we have to use if we wanted to roll back and use the roll back rate that's why always said that it's a tax increase if we leave it at the same amount the whole a rollback rate is to roll back back the tax rate to bring in the same amount of Revenue as we did last year I know the revenue might be higher than this but if we budgeted for 938 and right now you have budget a million 63 that's an increase of 125 it says right here so it's the 125 we would have to cut out the budget to make it work I'll I'll send you a copy of the dr420 okay which which then we'll see what yeah and and that's never common to you know how much we have to pay the tax collector no but I'm saying that that that number the top number he's saying that we use 95% of that or 98% and that's why there's other costs and other numbers that go in there and then there Del taxes I'm just saying that the ad the normal ad taxes that we had last year is what we just use if we to roll back right that's how they determine the roll back so right let me ask you this just to cut so now when you've done this I know you've been working on what our role back would be and the projection as to how much money that would be correct yes that's what we're working on for Fe right now correct this is not Rob no I know no and then not with us having to take this reduction looking at this budget and then having to reduce that's the number you're using correct the roll back right the roll back the roll back number to 19,000 yeah that would be that's how you're getting that correct well this number right here though 1,63 that's that's the revenue based was that last year uh on the current the current sorry current 2024 according to the dr420 we stuck with going the numbers of the dr420 so I'll send you a copy of that for today's purposes because I think intention of today is for you to give us direction to come back potentially at the roll back rate and then with the State numbers fresh and then show you what that would look like with expenditures so that's where do we need to cut so today I I get a from you you kind of see where we're spending our money this is a Bare Bones budget if we were to cut 20 or th000 or whatever have it where would you want us to make those cuts and we'll bring it back to you with the adjusted Revenue uh once you see the 420 you'll see the uh reason it's not a simple answer right it's more than $20,000 125,000 we'll figure that out and then by the time we get to September re first reading we'll have a number for you that we can count on that you have right now you're thinking based on the numbers that you have before you it's about $1,492 we have to cut out of this that's our our preliminary okay if we decided so what you're looking to us is do we want to try our best to go to the to the rall back that's my recommendation we when was the last time 8.5 for 28 well in 20 right left office it's been a long so as we go through this budget everyone needs to keep in mind that let's say $20,000 where do we want to back out of that out of this current one if in fact that's the pleasure of the commission is to go to the rooll back rate one thing that may help explain it when when we add value in a CRA general fund doesn't benefit from that okay I'm just saying right here we have the number for the B form tax yeah that increase is $125,000 since last year that is what we would have to cut out because the roll back rate is when you get the same amount of Revenue as you did last year but it's actual Revenue but I'm suggesting you when you see the v420 okay look at the actual Revenue line it's more than we budgeted for okay pull your microphone down I'll sit here and [Music] scroll on all right can everybody hear all right we're going to start with the uh the revenue like Charles said the state is late with uh getting us the everybody the revenue number so we just basically based uh budget off of uh last year except for the uh line set in the water utility tax I when I do my budgets I look at like actual and then I look at my uh projected you know what would be at the end of the year and I just I added a little bit to that one I I thought we were a little bit low um so I brought that one up to 255 what line is that line seven what are utility tax at about $99,500 it's just based off a projected number and then so the total taxes we're looking at 1. 1427 416 million the total tax um anybody's got a question we can move on to licenses and permits um may I have just a couple questions so um Stephen for I just marked a couple of these lines where um for the column that says year to date actual June yes um for example the very bottom line 11 the Cy's uh lak Shore and Lou of taxes um getting toward the end of the year they haven't paid yet it doesn't it doesn't show we have not received it we have received it oh have we yeah yeah that's one of the reasons we didn't initially show the year to dat because there's still errors in there okay and then okay well it's not reflected here so there's no way that anybody looking know that um so going up one more line 10 on the business text um I noticed that for this year we budgeted $99,000 but year to date June actual is 147 that is correct yeah that's a big gap so I'm wondering if we're three4 of the way through the year and we only received $147 in business tax is that we realistic to again budget the $99,000 for the business tax well if you go back to like 2022 we have $4,130 and then the 2023 we're up to 17 it's it's there really um those have been improperly put into miscellaneous revenues and we're still doing got do a journal entry to fix that okay so this is a journal entry issue okay because just when you look at revenues it looks like there's something Miss you're find a lot of that I think okay and then um and okay so are there any other line items I know we're only three qus the way through the year um but other than at long tax do you are you expecting everything else to pretty much come in as budgeted by the the time and get to the end of the year yeah I don't see any reason why you don't have a concern about that no okay that that was all I want to know those those two um LS 10 and 11 just seemed all B okay that's all thank you okay next section is going to be licenses and permits uh we've got Steve can you talk to your mic please sorry thank you how about that okay for licenses and permits we budgeted um $8,000 uh just anticipating more uh you know more activity happening uh next year um zoning fees remains unchanged at 500 um mobile home licenses uh we've got $2,500 and then the alol beverage license we got $3,000 for a total of $144,000 for licenses permits how do we feel do we feel pretty um strongly with this $8,000 yeah what this doesn't reflect McDonald's paid their bill which was how much um 9,000 that was in July so this doesn't reflect just paid it last week so there's some Revenue not reflected there make sure and we also still have like the school we still have other parties that need to come in yes okay and that'll be that'll be in the next fiscal year so that we're looking at okay go ahead uh next uh section is uh intermental and this is kind of the same thing we're we're just uh we're just basing our numbers based off of last year we're just waiting for um just to see where the where the state is with everything here so we've got 120,000 for electric franchise we've got 25,000 for the garbage franchise that's with Waste Pro we've got F Green Space agreement uh5 00 for the P County landcap agreement state revenue sharing is 74,000 ,000 for the state half sales tax F traffic signal maintenance agreement 4,000 uh f. Street maintenance contract is 26,000 and the gasoline uh rebate uh state tax is uh $2,000 and we haven't been budgeting for that because apparently we when we buy gas we have to pay tax but then we can fill out paperwork with the state and get some of our money back and for apparent some reason it just stop being done so we're going to start doing that again at Le get something back because the tax have to pay exactly which is like half the cost of down yeah so the total intergovernmental is 371,000 do we have any questions on this um I do May on line um the garbage franchise line 19 yes um so this is our this is our contract for the Waste Pro they pay us a franchise fee for all the commercial dumpsters that they collect within the city limits because we have agreement with them that they exclusive government controllers but okay so I notic all right so we are we are down um below what we have budgeted and we're going to budget less for next year is there any particular reason identifiable reason for that are there fewer commercial dumpsters well I mean if you look at the audit 2022 and 2023 was 25,000 went up to 30,000 and and he's saying that we should go back to 25,000 based on the actuals um it just makes sense yeah I I I try not to look at when I when I do a budget I try not to look at the previous year's budget I go dat and pro act yeah for me I've always found that that you know it's a it's a I get a true picture of what's going on you never know what happened in in the previous budget you could have budgeted for a project that didn't happen or you know event that didn't happen or you know you could make more money than you thought so and we're this what eight months through this year we should have a pretty good idea we're finish this year corre so I makes okay well I was kind of asking our finance director how he arrived at that um number and what went into it so thank you both for that thank you Steve you agree with that that that's how you arrived at that number just yeah looking at proed yeah and then back at 22 and 23 you kind of see where we're heading okay okay next section is going to be uh charges for services uh first line is the r Pon County 28,000 uh zero change for the rent at 117 Summit uh I guess the sheriff's department is going to be moving in and there's going to be a zero charge for that and then sale of surplus vehicles uh just based off last year's budget of 35 $3,500 uh admin fees for gas Water waste water same thing just based off of last year's budget um admin fees is for solid waste I made a little bit of adjustment here just based off of you know the projected number pump that up $2,200 and then admin fees for the CRA is same same last year 28 28,000 for a total $266,400 I just want to note um this is kind of irony we notice we've only paid half of most of those administrative transfers because those Enterprise funds are in such trouble so if if they didn't have that burden um it would help them but then the the general fund would be in trouble we couldn't roll back to millage as an example but mayor if I could respond to that so we're really but when we paid those administrative transfers that's part of making the Enterprise fund pay its full cost correct well there's a calculation of of overhead right each one of them doesn't have a finance department and so I'm saying if this if the if we did not require a contribution toward the overhead then wouldn't the general fund city taxes be contributing to the overhead of the Enterprise fund it would be well we're paying the bills now and this kind of pays us back that's we just wouldn't have that they would we would be bearing their administrative expense okay um and mayor I did have a question about um line 28 the rent for petam County and this is a question either for the city manager or Finance director um didn't our agreement with the county that we signed recently provide for some percentage increase every year yes I believe it did yes okay so is that reflected no no it's the same amount so we make a note of that so you see what the per incre I mean I don't think it's a huge amount but something just found some more money not a whole lot but it does it is changing for the first time in a long time right they vot but they also pay for the americ yeah they you know that's the one thing is that they have done all the I mean they did their Landscaping they did a lot of things they painted the building on their own they never asked us when they painted it so for us not we definitely by not asking for that increase we still got our money because they' maintained that building for us it's leaking again so we're about to make another investment right okay is everybody done with that all right next section is FES and fores uh first line uh code enforcement we budget at $88,500 um and it's I know it's a little bit lower than the previous years but just based off of uh you know what we've seen this year um I brought it down about $1,500 from what we thought we were going to get last year um Parks and Recreation user fees um we brought that up to 500 I believe this is going to be new light it it's not here this year okay and then um Court findes um we brought that up to to $1,800 for total of $10,800 for fines questions just question on line 41 this is the $64 question we've talked about this for a long time interest income so we had $33,000 in the amended budget that we just did for the interest income but we have not yet um put the reserve funds into it interest bearing account or other instrument would that be correct oh yeah yeah we haven't done anything with that okay so basically for this year we are not going to be receiving the $33,000 in the line that says amended budget 2024 that's but as we go forward into next year we going to take care of that that's the intention yes that's the in they' had they've had their hands full trying to so I understand that um okay but so so whatever whatever it is that we have in our amended budget it's going to be less than $33,000 for 2024 um and then hopefully um there will be some kind of investment made all right that was all for that thank you next section is uh just other and the first line item is Law Enforcement Education I believe that's every time somebody gets a ticket a little bit gets put aside for for Law Enforcement Education um the next section is U miscellaneous Revenue this uh this there were zoning permits and and park fees that was that was budgeted there that that's going up into the um it's going into going top yeah the park fees was a new line zoning it was getting put in here instead of putting into right yeah yeah we're just trying to just trying to clean up I found there yeah I found there's there's a lot of there was a lot of stuff coded wrong I just you know people just I guess just gave it their best shot trying to figure out what stuff was but we can we can probably clean it up and do a little bit when we don't have a finance direct and to lot to get people in and they they have different thoughts on their stuff belong so we're just trying to we're trying to make everything try to standardize everything where it's going so do keep anything that I mean if everything goes in the correct categor [Music] be we'll look at that you have to keep but I believe don't you we have to still keep the line we'll have the line Ian everything goes in the right categories yeah [Music] right I guess total revenues that was the last Revenue section so we're looking at uh 2.34 a696 uh is our total total revenue for next year how much did you say uh 2 2 uh 2,348 you Sor yes go ahead okay line 47 that says ARA um the there's just 18,800 in the first line for 2022 I mean the first call and it's not showing anywhere else and then on the fund balance page U that was handed out it's a separate page we didn't have number for any accounting of the ARA funds um I don't know can you can you what is that line out line 47 what is those ARA fund the 18,800 what is that well I know what our funds are and I know they were $768,000 that we received from the federal government directly um and I know that they have been um Mis U allocated in the budget over past several years they've popped up in different line items I think Charles they're still sitting in the water fund right if I'm remembering correctly um so right if there's 18,800 in that 2022 line where's the rest it well the historical data we need to update that because we got two checks 21 and 22 so we should have half that amount in that line but back then first check got put into the better place fund then we had to move it and end up in water and someon waste water so this doesn't reflect where that money is sitting we're not anticipating any new arpa revenue for the coming year right but I'm saying is the 18,800 for 20202 is that the right number or it should be a different number correct okay so I'll put a little asress there okay and I understand that we would not be receiving further funds they they've been received okay that was all I have for that thank you right then we're going to start into the expense categories next we're going to start with uh City commission we've got 44893 budgeted for salaries they have flight the taxes related to that we have um retirement related to that and then uh we've got commissioner training $1,500 for each commission and the mayor advertising and we hold sorry we we bumped that up because that's not $1,200 doesn't even cover your Florida leue of cities conference typically so we're recommending a slight increase eventually so that comes out 3 for each that comes out to a $1,500 increase just for commissional training is that right yes okay we got advertising and then um the last we have 6,000 um eight priv organizations and 5,000 that was the state mobile State NE Clinic of the last commission meeting and then there's just a kind of an other fund that's just it's kind of a catch off or miscellaneous uh misane item supplies for a total of $3,627 you have any questions on this um mayor I have a request about line 55 um I think I mentioned this at a different Workshop or meeting on line 55 where it says retirement when we're talking about City commission um actually two things um first if there could please be a footnote that reflects these are payments to previously serving these are payments to retired Commissioners who served previously the um when Commissioners received a retirement benefit right so how do you want that noted on there but just however Finance director can you put a footnote down here well I'm not concerned about the exact Waring but I think it should reflect that it's not a retirement contribution for currently Serv Commission because we don't get a retir benefit nobody we can put a note in there we also didn't have commissioner Banks to that so we okay but what I'm saying is it's not okay it's not a contribution to a retirement fund for those contributions understand got for former yes okay well hold on um because there's a big difference but also if you're budgeting for 2025 if we have another commissioner retire who's eligible for retirement benefits then well it would be um the it's the benefit is as far as I know for this is for Commissioners it would be an additional 2,400 yeah we got that okay well I don't know I don't know which commissioner that might be but if it happens then it would need more money on that line we thought you were going to donate that back he is definitely anyway okay do we have any other questions on on this so and typically we do the 500 and my understanding is the library has put in their request for the 500 is that correct yes that's on your agenda for next 500 okay okay next section is city manager you want do that Charles uh yeah I can go through that um that's really no change um other than the new calculations for p and payroll and so forth the um workers Compass just an estimate of course that was way over budgeted I think last year um so we're going at 218 this year and then um the other changes are we had in the budget amend we had upped the office supply and operating supp a little bit so that's reflected here and uh then a reduction in uh my portion of the telephone internet we just recalculated that spreading that over across the depending on the number of uh users and then uh Pur hay is being allocated to the Sal account you yeah she was improperly allocated last year um so it didn't doesn't show accurate the year-to DAT expenditures isn't that's one of the reasons we didn't show it when we send it out it's it needs so many adjustments um her salary U was coming out of salary line with mine instead of the second line where it was allocated budgeted from so that's why it shows only $3,500 spent today year to day this reflects so that'll be fixed yeah yes and then uh in my budget the employee incentive line um Christmas that's the Christmas party primarily so we're showing um actual a little reduction in my budget based on the amended budget we have any questions yeah mayor for line 73 workers comp um Charles if you could go over that again because I'm not seeing what is the explanation it was shown as 8,700 and you said it went way over was over budgeted so we put too much money in there it the way wanted to be spread out on the number of personnel so obviously I had no claims I had no claims so year today is zero and Karen and I had no claims workers come so um actually we had you had one claimed and you heard your back in the Park yeah some so Steve can tell you we recalculated to get a more accurate spread of of workers com okay so that's more accurate but then um okay health and life insurance that was my my question was really there were several lines last year that were unexpectedly higher one of them was just liability insurance correct yes Insurance the auto and auto insurance as well and general liability okay down line 81 property General insurance and that what you talking about well okay so property General insurance so you folks are already budgeting um quite a bit more for this year in other words you're budgeting for an increase but um when it comes to health and life insurance up online 70 two um are you budgeting for an increase there or you don't feel that it's necessary for this year how like Bud I looked at what the actual number was through June and then projected another three months to kind of figure out where we were and since we don't really know what the increase is going to be that's based off it's based on a 10% increase and it just happened to be what they exactly what they budgeted last year okay that's how calcul so do we know the last time that we had an unexpected increase was it more than 10% or was it all Park 10% increased I don't remember what it was for health Insurance versus the auto and liability I know in the past it's it's made some pretty big jumps so that was just you know just based on what I've seen in the past that was just to get a number in here and and hopefully we'll get you know we'll get a you know estimate here pretty soon on what they expect it to be okay she would know she said da I think it's September October we renew so they should be getting a hold of us pretty pretty soon to sit down and talk about that we we'll twe those that was all I thank you anybody else good okay okay next section is going to be Finance we have uh salaries uh 70,5 750 staff salaries of 7724 budget overtime 500 Christmas bonus of 300 employee SES of 500 fight Medicare retirements um health insurance we have 26650 workers comp $653 um travel perum of $2,000 um we've got Education and Training of $400 um office supplies $3,500 um got it supports $88,000 it licenses is 4 General Insurance liability insurance um is $9,600 operating supplies is roughly $2,000 um membership and dues $500 audit fees is $1,400 the audit fees get debuted out amongst a bunch of departments and I believe the number was $55,000 roughly for the the 20125 audit so that's what I I kind of based that off of just took that and divided it by how many departments get a chunk of that and then we have Professional Services $2,000 telephone internet $4500 for a total of $253,000 $48 [Music] profish La excuse me no that's a separate Professional Services for finance would be like our CPA um it uh where is it it licenses we Dro that to 400 we we've only paid 103 so far this year so I guess we and and a lot of there was a lot of of um like the the smaller stuff like Adobe a lot of that was up in that it support line so I was trying to go through and just try to pull out everything that doesn't belong up in there they seemed like in the beginning of the year there was a lot of that and then um May or like January February March it started to get cleaned up a little bit so I was just trying to because the the it support line should really just be what we pay monly exactly although that does include our membership or our subscriptions to to Microsoft 365 that we pay monthly but the rest of it Adobe and all that should be in the other line lies so you just take that that monthly char separate between the Departments for the it support yeah yeah just trying to get where it needs to be because the state's got specific you know they they pretty picky where where you post your expenses so we're just trying to keep everything and when I was looking at that Inspire thing we we pay for 17 memberships to Microsoft 365 do we have 17 employees that use that yes I mean because all of us use it for email I mean I have my own at home I mean isn't there is there a different level that we can go to for some of us because if we just need it for email that seems like a lot of money that's $5 a month throughout the year it ends up being $113,000 is that we pay for Microsoft 365 which I'm not with I just was wondering if we can look into that because I mean I know I use it I don't know uses you use your Excel or uh PowerPoint your one drive all that City Ken can you check with Mark and see if there's a subscription where it's email only that'd be for the commissioner exp to me and how he explained it to me was um because I did ask him about that before when we first started I think commissioner B you were part of that conversation where we started saying saying wait a second you can get five licensed contract license off of one subscription I think he said you each have to have one because each have to have word to open up we send them they might be different all of us have our own I mean I pay for my own micros 65 family membership and I always have it's already paid through just check with him again computer a waste to pay $5 a month for each one of us every single month if that's not really necessary I don't know if there's it just I know Microsoft has options it just seems like that would be a place we can save some M um where we go to operating supp and we've dropped that down $2500 even though we've almost spent here today it looks like 1543 in the past if you look at I know you don't like too steep but I'm just I'm just concerned about that will that provide us with enough I mean I know you've been very frugal um as far as pins and recycling pins and old pins and pins that really don't um you know I know we've done that but with our operating supplies is that going to suffice that's true this Finance so St is that suffice for them over there par party yeah yeah I think so um somebody bought and bulk I guess last year year before we we've got a lot of oh so you have a lot of stuff over there where to go look when we need a pen oh yeah they got a stash need paper we've got paper and and T cartridges yeah somebody somebody Shing TR to get thek in theot where to go of here yeah those are the ones that shaked out are I just have one question speaking of you know allocating things appropriately and blah blah blah um and that Professional Services line 106 that Banks asked about um so we we PID for UN code the finance department is that normal um that one I'm going to have to look into that's where that was put in the uh the past so I'll I'll take a look at that I mean I have no idea but um because there's going annual fee right there is yeah that could come out of city hall or that's the two that's the $2,000 I think that's has Fe I'm just wondering is that the usual place for okay all right next uh next section is going to be uh legal we've got $48,000 for uh contractual fees uh zero for other legal services and then 5,000 for for outside legal council for a total of $53,000 right mayor if I could um May yes the footnote is correct it says other there's three lines there says other Legal Services covers anticipated legal fees for the Commissioners but the legal fees for the Commissioners are in the outside legal council line and I don't know how you correct something when it's not been done correctly in the past we need we need a journal entry I think but those are flipped those those fees that are listed in 112 they weren't paid for extra um outside legal help to assist our City attorney for they were for the other legal services for legal fees for commissioners outside legal needs to go to other Legal Services yeah I think those lines are are reversed other services you have to separate those two you have to separate I know what the fo says just need to money up that's what I'm saying you have to put that money up and then keep the separate those separate those two entities because we usually budget a small amount for other Legal Services I think like I think one year says 2024 the 2000 the $2,000 sounds like what um Bobby picks may have asked for maybe I don't know oh well I know when Jay had I think it was like two or five somewhere two and five so I don't know some of those fees were for out were for commissioner legal fees and I don't know there might have been some that were for actual outside legal council to assist the City attorney but not $47,000 we still the same firm right this is this is for my like my outside legal for my case um my case is handled by the um Flor Le of cities FL of cities yeah so and they took care yeah that assist for utility not my recall not the recall but the other the lawsuit okay next section is utility building we have 49,1 140 for salaries 103 827 for staff salaries Up Overtime of 500 Christmas Lo of 400 FL Medicare health insurance uh employee testing workers comp Professional Services Prov telephone and internet is $4500 postage 12,800 liability insurance $1,800 vehicle repair maintenance 2,000 equipment repair and maintenance 3,000 um it support 8,000 it hardware and Licensing 400 office supplies of 4,000 um operating supplies of 600 uh gas and oil uh $33,000 uh employee incent it500 $1 and membership training 300 for a total of $253,950 it's $100 $100 now per person yeah it's been that way since I've been here oh oh okay well I'm ask but how you say You' been saying $50 for years okay uh next section if we're ready to move on is uh Planning and Zoning um we've got 5,000 for other Professional Services and then $65,000 for consulting fee for a total of about $70,000 you explain what those are for uh the consulting fee I believe that's for like midow for Z zeep Cohen and mid hour Planning and Zoning we get some of that back in the zoning fees Revenue but we're anticipating more growth we'll have a as these projects are built we're going to pay them to go inspect the site when it's done so the site improvements were done per per the plans and so forth so there'll be more profession services this will come under the consulting fee and Ze Cohen does that as part of their service they charge us by the hour what what's the difference between the two oh the other Professional Services would be like a survey or an appraisal or anything related okay next section is um City Hall we have uh workers comp of4 $4,800 Professional Services of $23,500 um a majority of that is uh Julianne Klein is the CPA she's a that's the majority what that is um piece of the audit is 10,400 we have a pension consultant of $2,500 um telephone internet $4,500 utilities $122,000 uh rental leases uh $3,300 liability insurance 39,200 building repair maintenance 10,000 equipment repair and maintenance 2,000 uh advertising is $7,000 um other $55,000 beautification is $8,000 it support $2,800 or $2,820 it licenses 500 operating Supply is of $3,300 uh accounting billing software $16,000 office supplies of $2,500 and we have a transfer to the C area that's 15297 so the advertising in this section is something we might be able to cut as we're looking because we don't use as much as we budget between this and the commission agenda we end up with a lot more advertising money than we've needed so that's a possible um spot to make a cut cityall workers excuse me I'm sorry the workers comp the very 147 uh yes we that you said that was for Julian no City you have it covered under the salary section correct yeah and that's I was just wondering if there should there be a portion allocated to City Hall so we're looking into that yeah Julianne is the next line down 149 she's under Professional Services and we feel like I mean in Julianne how much longer do you think would be in Julianne well um certainly through the end of the audit as we W wrapping up the audit um and then um you'll see at the Enterprise fund she's working out untangling that um so I would hope after that and Steve's more and more comfortable will'll be able to to wean off of her Services I've already been able to wean off a little bit working mostly on the audit at this point yes but so um that was my inquiry also so do you have a projected like date like through 2025 or um sooner or when you say through the audit which audit the current audit um which concludes hopefully the end of August um so then she'll she'll finish straightening out I I would hope by the end of the first quarter of next year or into of the second quarter we can probably just have our on an as needed basis if there's a something right and as the mayor said um the amount was reducing which is a good thing all right thank you and anybody just know that we are audited every year yes by toal law we are audited every year the new AUD start January we need to call her back in to help question out there but we are audited every year fulls full blown audit correct Steve oh yeah they look at we even shaken Everything we' 100 the line here about Ed software information management system oh line 167 yes yeah that's the that's the the Software System we're using Utility Billing you know accounting Finance we're increasing that yeah we budgeted 16,000 yeah we budgeted 16,000 for that yes is that to replace it no that's just what we did last year I mean yeah it's like the annual oh yeah you're right amended when we amended it was 16,000 a lot of training and other things or updating I'm just I'm just trying to get that that's just that's just the uh that's just the software St and also there's the something called the information management system service I guess that was the previous that was our previous that that we can't get rid of because I guess things weren't brought in some things weren't brought into edmin so everybody's got to go back and they have to go back and reference that other Software System two softwares yeah two software packages yeah they were supposed to I thought we were I thought this last year I thought this last year that we were droppings I think at some point we're going to yeah I thought we I thought that they had yeah we're investiga said I guess we can't right now because I guess still going back and looking but maybe we'll have to wean oursel off it at at some point here because it's appar a lot of money it is it is just to make sure that they're not they're not doing the same service you know providing the same services that we're not overlapping that yeah I believe the the old system that's just kind of like an archive if they have they have to go back and look for for any kind of utility building information they they have to go back and and and look in there but I don't think they're providing any new new services to us I think it's just like an arive can we look at at talk to Edmond about why they haven't been able to roll all that information over I mean I would think that us have to maintain that well we're we're still investigating some overpayments uh by customers okay so we have to keep those records until we finish that report them that and justop permiss I mean it seems like sometimes it's not as easy as that iuse I use the IMs for um tax receipts I go back into it if you use meach you know you don't use there should be I mean it doesn't make sense to be pay for two software you're still usings I don't input anything into it what I do is I go in there if I need if say the person across the street wants a business I go back in to see if he actually had one in past and if he owes any money I can carry it over to it that's why I used it I don't think we're paying for the full service of IMS the contract that was before but was under new a different Administration but it just seems like it has just been right that was when Patrick Kennedy I wasn't nameing names but what I'm saying is it was a process and I remember it very well the staff did a lot of research they recommended Edmonds but then over time there were things that didn't work out as they expected or hoped um it was it was process and everybody did the best they could but lot money right and there were new things that came up next category is uh law enforcement um we have $494,500 we have that up the rule right yes and they're renewing at the same rate next category is going to be fire we have about 26328 for salaries 29,44 for staff salaries christm bonus of 200 um a bonus of $4,200 employ incentives of 500 fare life insurance workers comp telephone liability insurance building repair and maintenance $2500 vehicle repair 7,000 equipment repair 2,000 volunteered incentives 40 $55,000 other categories just miscellanous supplies uh $500 it support about $2,800 it licensing 400 operating supplies of 2,000 gas oil and tires 2500 and training of $1,500 for a total of 171,000 $471 he's always very good at staying under budget when I at a lot of those employee incentives volunteer incentives he hasn't used so that's an area we made we we can take that maybe down to 35,000 for the last two years we haven't touched we haven't bought still have still be in in good shape with that and that would take that 10 that would give 10,000 to Chief so I just said that that's something that that Charles would have to talk to the chief I'm not talk to Chief Charles I talk to Chief and see is that something that he could work with in is that you know if we needed to do that yes um so two questions um the easy one is first that's line 197 gas oil and tires um I noticed that is pegged at $500 less for 2025 but wasn't gas one of the items that was that we kind of went over budget in Prior years um I mean do we feel that that's realistic that's all I'm asking see you based it on year to dat's been new right correct yes I I don't know what we're and you know looking to in terms of future gas prices but that's certainly something of the fire department has to have um and then the other thing is um you know our fire chief is part time um we this comes up every now and then um in some ways we need to plan for the future because our fire chief is part-time and he works full time for I believe the city dayona beach that I got the right entity um I have no idea where the fire chief is and his cath in Daytona but you know we're we're getting a lot of services at I think a very reasonable amount um so at some point you know I think we have to to look into the future and um I think what would happen you know if we can't have that same Arrangement he's he's discussing considering retirement next year um so we we be looking for another part-time fire chief at this point to take his place so things are coming up okay code enforcement okay code enforcement salaries $2,799 Christmas bonus $100 Medicaid retirement tones $100 we have it support 800 it licensing $2,000 we have uh gil on tires at $1,500 uh operations and abatement $5,000 membership training $1,600 for a total of $3,665 that was 5,000 forer excuse me I'm hungry I'm sorry we're almost there we're almost there public works streets public works all right I just have a question why why uh why is she getting less money for her salary I think it was miscalculated last year wasn't it that's this includes a 5% increase yeah this does include a 5% increase I don't know what was going on with the budget number I had him go back to the hourly rate recalculate yeah we he I asked him to recalculate from scratch I don't know what Dale did last year but um okay yeah we went through and everybody noticeable but if I if I was Co enforc officer I'd say why are you taking money away from me that's all so yeah some of the budget numbers I I you know I think we're just over budgeted somewhere under budgeted so and mayor I also have a question about the code officer so um no the footnote says our code officer is Works 30 hours a week so two questions there um one thing that Miss Taylor was going to do was I think catch up the um I guess the record keeping in the code Department that things weren't entered properly um she here she miss Taylor is here I just wonder how is that going are we caught up or is that going to be you know a multi-year project yeah I'm still currently working on on the lanss catching up all the Lan and notifying people they have things on their property right because I think the the paperwork just um it wasn't what it should be correct the old cases yes those come up on a Case by case basis um some of them don't have anything in the file there was a file and it was an Excel spreadsheet but now she has new the new software is working on papay for yes it is do you have everything rolled into it into the new software yet the old stuff yes no you not okay are you pointed no okay is it have that capability to do that I believe so well why wouldn't we it take hundreds of hours to do that well I mean if it's current I mean if it's something that we're still working on if something were to happen to you that would make sense to me that if it's if it's still an active case oh an active case that they're in there okay anything that's active is in the new system anything that's even if it's active from like five years ago it's in the new system correct is that correct no I haven't put all of them in there yet I'm still working on that okay okay and then to follow on your question are all the are all the leans that exist in the new system no so some Active cases aren in the new system and some links AR in the new system correct okay now my other question is on and I know that you're working very diligently on that and you brought it to our attention my other question is um the code officer Works 30 hours week and it's between the regular business hours correct yes do we get many calls or whatever um from people that try to report something over the weekends or in evening hours or something like that not very often we have an email system that's on the our web page I think I've received one email this year okay that was all question so but people can call leave a message a voicemail for you right on the weekends well I actually like to see it set up where people can't just call in but people actually have to fill something out it said you know and put an actual complaint in and fill it out um and that way we know that it's official we have a form because right now it's not official we have a form now they have to sign the form to be an official Complaint okay so I I guess my question is um I don't even know if I have a question when do we anticipate that that the new system will be have the old information or or the the lean information that we still have out there because if something happened I mean nobody's guaranteed tomorrow if something happened we'd be right in the same situation when somebody having to go in and trying to figure out what's what um cler of the court has all the GRE recorded So if it came up you can always check theot for the court that's what I did to find them so so how long does it take though I know some of these been going out for years hav they and and when when when do you kind of call it quits what what what's the I mean why does it take years to to get these leans off of some of these homes well some of them are H and I'm sure and they can't do anything with it they a lot of people say they don't know they're there um not compliance some of them have we done anything I mean do we do like on an annual basis do we send something out on an annual basis to to people that have outstanding leans that I'm working on doing that on a basis yeah so they get that so we don't hear that from them that they didn't even know that they're being charged $25 or $50 a day CU that yes it does quickly and then then we have to write it out yeah we really do next section if we ready is Public Works question special magistrate do we have that's I have that to special oh yeah make a note of that Steve G we'll create a line for that how is that we got what one hearing two two it's been going green how's the the special magistrate working out very good okay we've had two hearings one in June and one in July that 500 I haven't seen but you would first see us having one every month during the next fiscal year most likely or maybe a few months or started every other month and I think next year we probably follow the same every other month okay 6,000 that's what I think when we were approving that that's what we wereing yeah our first one got cancelled so we ended up with two in a row canel okay I know when we approved it that's what we were looking at budgetary standpoint would be we have one scheduled for September 10th and one for November I'm not sure what day it is in November so now these are going to court and being settled no going to magistrate and then from the magistrate has anything I mean have they been settled I guess um the one case that we heard that was new has not coming to plant F started a few weeks ago okay going to file the lean tomorrow with the c Court um this past month in July we heard two lean reduction cases that will come before you in [Music] August thank you next section is Public Works um salaries we have about 16,150 staff salaries of 95350 overtime of a th000 a Christmas bonus of 200 F Medicare retirement health insurance workers comp uh street lights is uh $32,000 traffic lights 5,000 uh liability insurance of 38,500 building repair and maintenance of 2,000 treat maintenance of 10,4 400 vehicle repair and maintenance of a th000 um is that equ repair maintenance of $5,100 small tools of a th000 operating supplies of 6,000 gas oil and tires 9,000 Street repair supplies of 10,000 and improvements other than buildings a th000 for a total of $291,400 and far for me to question your estimates but 9,4 well B on the 8580 SP no that's okay we can we can put them well that might have been one we trimmed to make the budget balance okay any other questions on this one um mayor just I do very quickly um there's a note on line 213 and 14 where it says Sal and always um somehow I think organizational chart would be helpful here um I'm assuming it really doesn't show on this page and then the next couple Pages umur public exactly what the Public Works director is in charge of for example you go to the next page page 18 is Parks and W under Public Works actually okay because it doesn't say public works on that page and then it's not clear when you look up the line identified 213 and 214 it's not really clear it says the percentage allocated to streets for the different employees but it doesn't say where the balance of their um salaries are allocated so yeah that's going to be a water and waste water I'll at that com right it's just a not clear yeah and you know we have to keep in mind like the mayor was saying that this is a public document so you know there's a couple places here to me where well that's not clear and then there's a couple other places where it reads a little bit like an internal document but it's a public doc Keith Keith Ronnie and one labor position are they share they're paid out of water Wastewater and the general fund so that's you have that are you you going to keep I'm sorry I just the FTE the employes have each department would also probably be helpful on each department and that's where you can put on this one that they they're shared between the two departments perhaps com okay okay we show we have one vacancy currently we still have that V yes sir we don't have application not currently we we did some interviews but we weren't uh we weren't satisfied yeah we hired margarito our newest guy he's been excellent what is what the to just um what do we just call Public Works labor Margarita yeah just yeah just general labor general labor yeah okay and what is that the hourly what's the s for $15 an hour the yes we have reception open also in this with the public works on the streets for our I guess I I don't see any I don't see anything in here that we can pull in so if we needed our our medians there's maintenance there's maintenance there that we need um I'm just wondering with some of this if we should contract it out we just have need the money yeah and we're going we're going to be looking to cut this oh yeah oh me [Music] I get open yeah we F the position that's empty is the is the new one so we get it filled I think that'll take care of that another person yeah to take care of that may I have one more question yes ma' so um for Speed bumps if they didn't come out of better place plan is this the category where they would streets of O Okay because a resident from South Prospect Street T me the other day and said that I think he said by doing correctly that he contacted City Hall and asked about speed bups for sou Prospect Street he did um okay so there's that and then I know that r that's on Oakwood south of Bon and um I think rocket yeah but it's that long straight stretch of South Prospect before it makes the turn after after the lastely they definitely want those there well that's one of the resents does I mean that's kind of the $64 question do do other residents yeah um Wanted um but it had you know usually one or two people so anyway um I know there's a request out there yeah um because they said they hadn't heard anything but it would either be here or better place right I have one thing you know I have to agree with the mayor as far as getting a contract for the medians sometimes you know it's in the long haul it it's it could be beneficial to get a contract for it um the city wouldn't have to pay everything they just pay for a contract for somebody to do it and uh you know therefore you don't you don't pay the salary you don't pay the healthare you don't pay all the things that go with with having a full-time employee and there's there's tons of uh businesses out there that do just that kind of stuff so it' be worth looking at I guess see if you get somebody that can come in and and be um that's what they do you get some prices on you see what I mean on lawn maintenance or a crew that would weed just weed the medians month after month just we you know and it's it's really more the growing and so it's not it's really this time of the year when the mediums you know when your weeds they're popping up in your yards your yards growing during the winter months it's not it's not that much and our peanut actually has taken over and peanut really controlling it it's performing the way it's supposed to perform yeah um and and so it's but it's more during the growing season when things are just get a little a little hard to see somebody charge us as a comparison yeah just just look at it that's because it's important I mean not a bad idea it's something that you know as people drive through and and I don't know how many of you but since our medians have looked so manicured when I go to other communities that is the first thing I look at and it just shows pride in the city I think it shows a lot of pride in the city and um I'm going to say that you know they've been looking pretty good the peanuts are coming in I was telling Keith the other day I was so glad you picked peanuts now that now that I can see you know what they they actually are bringing to our meetings um but I'm just saying you know we we have to try and maintain it if it gets out of control yeah you've lost all the work that we've done to get there you've lost it all and I think that's really not and not is all way from the state I mean even I think you get done that it's just blankets of yellow beautiful do it that way got get there you know if we just kind of keep letting it go and getting bad again our Peanut looks pretty it's ly know the Wheats come up and the peanut in the U the nutgrass comes up in maybe some professional help you you know what that um yes so speaking of the difficulty of keeping up with the not just mediums but we're always talking about how the city staff is behind on doing the edging and whatnot um I think we've mentioned this before in past years it would seems to me that it would be helpful if we could get more homeowners of business businesses to take care of their right of way because some do and some don't and you know every it would seem to me that every little bit would help um maybe there's a way we could get the message out you know keep keep City expenses low if you could maintain from here to because a lot of people maybe some aren't just able but maybe some don't think of it I've heard just basically say that city property have to quite frankly people about it I think sometimes if we could encourage them if we I was even thinking that we can do a you know you can be a volunteer and not even leave your leave your yard be a volunteer about taking care of your portion of the yard that's kind of the thing that I was working on is being a volunteer without even leaving your yard and we're not being critical of our staff our staff has a lot on them really espe this time year and they do a a terrific job they really do especially when you go to other communities you know I'm and I'm curious when you say well you got one person that that's that wants speed bumps down on South we can hardly get through South Prospect between the peacocks the the uh the turkeys and I'm not talking to people turkeys okay I mean that place is jamming with traffic and foul and stuff they closed the school down right since they've closed the school down now before they Clos the school yes we needed one desperately seldom do you get Speeders down south prosp you and especially at with the peacocks because everybody you know at a stop at stand still so I don't we're kind of arguing with somebody who's not here I'm not arguing with anybody we need to take them pretty seriously and needed this the end but Mar just wanted to follow what what you said about pride in your city making think of that you know if we could just get more people maintaining the right of way in front of their property that would take the burden and I I like your idea of you know making that a point pride and you know that you're you're volunteering but I mean technically are we all supposed to maintain to the street yeah so it would be nice I mean every hour save does an hour save yes um and otherwise you know we're paying taxes let's do Parks wreck huh let's do parks and wreck commissioner Banks did you have something to say we get people cut the yard don't R it on in the street I School me two our tell superintendent they're doing that yes yeah so they stop blowing it out started blowing out already got a new out well the city used to if you not take care of your yard we mowed it and then put lean on it and charge them that's still in our ordinances too we started that in 2003 2004 and it was kind of successful for a while I don't know when we saw J well I think first mayor I could first we a bill and that they pay bill so let's I this is our last yes salaries 31,200 over time of 200 Christmas bones of 100 employee senes of 500 F Medicare retirement health insurance workers comp um contractual Services of $1,500 utility a Service Electric of 10,000 rental and leases $2,500 building repair and maintenance of $7,000 vehicle repair maintenance of a th000 equipment repair maintenance of 8,000 other $1,800 operating supplies of $6,500 gas oil and tires of $6,000 for total of 99,5 188 with rentals and leases are we use we're talking about equipment yes yes was also anybody have any questions Water waste waterpr right no I I don't have a question but just this page does not reflect that it's under parks and works it says Parks and Recreation but the city manager says this is part of public right so maybe the page reflect that I want to say this since it's going to be basically my last budget yes sir y commission going be on this board p y employees so we can keep do you see the other other municipalities I read I get a different Pap I love the news I didn't complain because they don't have pay the employ you got to change if you don't pay going to the next highest de yeah that always been CH City probably always they want to have you've been doing we've been putting 5% in every year and then a few people when we did the budget the salary survey we've brought some people up to their minimum for the market so we just bring that to you as a finished amount a wayed to some years yeah 5% is pretty generous the state for several years quite a few years didn't get noost and we we have the we're at the minimum the new minimum hourly early so just we're just building up from there America commissioner thank you very much for saying that you always give us the Long View and it's important thank you but it's important I mean especially with some of that I mean go out there and spend a day with them I mean that's what I would say if you want to question what they do go spend the day with them especially right now and and the responsibilities that they have so so I think before we end this Charles you need some direction from us um as to whether or not with the budget we didn't really look at cutting anything back but if we if the commission wants to we have an opportunity here if you if you if your direction is to shoot for the roll back we will do that so we'll we'll revise the revenue numbers and highlight those and then we'll revive anywhere we cut we'll highlight it so you can see where we trim you may decide I didn't want you to trim that let's take it somewhere else but we'll highlight it so you can see and then we'll aim if that's your if your consensus will aim for the roll back we can try for the roll back and if we don't make it we can lose do lowering it something yeah I mean yeah like to L dry as you do that anything you change can you put it in a in a different color like minute color be yellow yellow is hard to rece too though well the darker colors just totally wipe out do it green that a good color isn't it um I I would like to see it I would like to see a budget in that respect we've got a lot with our you know our citizens are they're they're burying a lot right now now that you know the school increas has hit them this year and it looks like they've got another one that's on the table tomorrow an additional increase tomor not tomorrow on Wednesday garbage is it 1.5 Capital Outlet Mills is always been there yeah there's no change to it because that is the maximum that they can Levy for infrastructure and U Capital expenditures so that's always been there it's not an increase it's just like our increases if you leave the same tax rate but they're bringing in more money because they're not rolling it back but they have to use that 1.5 to pay for our portion of the new high school because they have to raise one mil of property taxes to pay for our portion of the high school which is like $5 million a year for the next three years well you know what a lot of people do not vote to have high school well the high school's separate the high school's not part of the bond the high schol a for elementary school these kids the most to problem we really are but that still it doesn't look like they're going to be able to do a whole back is everything everybody done thank you all our next one Charles is Monday week from today Monday 3:00