##VIDEO ID:PkTjz9y2NDs## will have new items okay so this the first item is a uh request for continuance for item 4 a this is uh a variance at 195 Chestnut Street it's a variance from section 3.9 19.2 the landet code and the applicant has requested a continuance to your next meeting so what that means is we've sent out an advertise you know this an advertised public hearing so we actually you open the public hearing and then continue it to the January 16th meeting at 6 [Music] PM so we won't actually hear the item tonight we just continue it here next okay so you have to technically open the public hearing and somebody would need to you know make a motion continue that to the next meeting somebody would have to second that and then you guys would vote on the continuance but it's a matter of form uh the applicant has requested because they've attempted to consult an attorney to assist them with this application and because of the attorney schedule they've been unable to okay at this time we will open up for [Music] um for public conversation if there's any at this time you're you're not taking public you're just opening the hearing and we're continuing that hearing in January to January okay to time certain in January so January 16th January 16 yes okay so at this time we're continuing the Mee until January 16th and at that time we will open up for you hear actually do I'll make a motion that we that we um meet on January 16th 2025 I think the needs to needs to say that you moving the variance yeah hear you continuing this this Contin continuing this public hearing for this AUM to January 16th at 6m I make a motion to continue the request of Rance from for today at 195 Chestnut Street to January 16th 2025 how's that M very good thank you second okay all right it has been motion and second that we continue to January the 16th meeting item um a 194 195 Chestnut Street until [Music] January excuse me did I get an all eyes that's fine okay so are you ready for the next item yes okay so this item is a text Amendment it's an amendment to section 3.15 of the Land Development code uh and it's going to amend uh the setbacks for the uh public facilities zoning District so give a little background as you know that on your agenda is uh two items following this both related to uh to 2011 uh North Summit Street that is a uh City sponsored uh compl Amendment and resoning if you recall this item was on a prior meeting uh it was there were some notice issues associated with that night and so the hearing didn't did not occur but we did make contact uh with uh the joined property owners and the chief and I subsequently uh met with the surrounding Property Owners they had some concerns about uh this item and so in order to resolve that because the their primary issue was not the proposed use it was uh their concern was with the zoning District itself because the facility zoning as it's currently in the land own code does not have any setback you could build to the property line uh and so after some discussion on the site uh staff agreed to sponsor and bring forward a text amendment that would establish uh 10- foot setbacks in the uh public facilities uh zoning district and so that's the for you tonight uh the current code as I indicated has zero setbacks there are public facilities in various locations some of them in the downtown some of them uh in other locations uh so I think uh that was sort of the Genesis and idea from why the current code had no set back because of the potential for public facilities this building downtown uh along uh Central Avenue but having uh considered uh how applying this zoning will occur in other areas we we think that will probably run into similar situations and so we have uh brought forward uh this amendment so you see attached to the staff report uh the current public facilities portion of the land on code then you see in uh bold and underline some additional text we'll see to the uh table in section uh 3.15 that contains the ditional department there's uh new setbacks established it's 10 ft for front rear and side uh the criteria and Landing code uh for text amendments is as long as there's nothing inconsistent uh with the U comprehensive plan the the city commission upon recommendation from the Planning incen Commission is free to make changes uh to the land Cod based on uh you know that your your judgment and the plan and the city commission's judgment so that's right teria there is nothing in the comp plan that uh this would be consistent with staffs many approval be happy answering the questions is is there going to be a building well I mean if you're changing it you must have plans on putting it building yeah we're going to get to that in these next two items so yes hopefully there there will be a building this is just just for the this is just changing the zoning District because that seems to be the objection there's not an objection and obviously people have will have two hearings and if somebody has an objection to it they can say so but based on meeting that the chief and I had with the neighbors their issue was not so much what the current plans are just the setbacks they're more concerned what could happen on the property in the distant future uh if there are changes in staff changes in the Comm and so they want to be protected so it's a good thing to have it throughout the city anyways for this Z which you're which you're telling us it doesn't exist correct for the PF zoning there are no setbacks there are no set there a number of zoning categories that have setbacks resal setbacks uh and we'll talk about the central business district in a future item but exactly yeah well I think setbacks make sense you know good thing so thank you and so you just pretty much remain consistent with what was already there in our code corre for the particular B so what is the purpose the current Land Development code which is the new update land has no setbacks for the P right so we're just adding these in uh and and that seems to be something that will allow uh City to or other government entities to to make full use of the property and still have some ability for their you know deal with access issues and just sort of get the buildings right off the property or the potential for that to happen go ahead make motion that uh we amend section 3.15 Land Development code to establish setback requirements for the PF public facilities zoning District as shown in the chart is believe it's 10 10 and 10 correct okay it has been motion and second that we approve the set back 3.15 to 10 10 10 10 all in favor all oppos okay so ready go the next item okay so I'm going to talk about uh items for uh C and D together you'll have to vote on them separately uh there're a comp plan Amendment and a resoning to 2011 nor Su Street the applicant uh is the city of pron City uh if you have any questions as to you know for the applicant you of course we have the city manager and the fire chief is here uh the uh and normally I have a PowerPoint up so Le take a look at that location but I think everybody is familiar with the existing uh fire state uh which is located at uh North summit and Eucalyptus Avenue on the uh west side of uh nor Summit and the uh City uh plans to uh develop a new building that would be located uh east of the existing uh fire station that is there and uh as a result of the design of that building and some discussions that we had with the architect it was determined that it would be best to rezone this property to of facilities uh because it it's designed for public facilities it's a very flexible zoning category the changes to the step acts uh will not affect the design of this particular building because there was no intention to set it closer to the property uh than to the the property boundaries than 10 ft uh and so uh in order to accomplish this uh the city is requesting both this small scale compl Amendment going from uh we're going to go from commercial to uh public buildings and grounds and the rezoning is going from uh gc1 to public facilities now you have two staff reports which um uh which contain some findings I'm not going to uh read to you the staff reports uh in uh in their tardy but uh for each time I'm just going to basically submit the staff report as as part of the record so so so for this first item I'm submitting the uh comp plan Amendment staff report it does an analysis of you know soils habitat location call facilities basically the conclusion of this report is this is an area of the city that has you know it's all developed it has all the infrastructure in place there's no nothing environmentally sensitive this is where you want to direct growth to so the long short of that staff report you know that that's the indication uh and same for the zoning staff report this is an area of the city to which you know growth should be directed this these are it's an appropriate Zing category and so uh Scouts reg approval for for both these items be Happ to answer any questions of course so you the east of the existing Firehouse which means that's that black parking area correct okay and just to clarify on the setbacks for the um public facility zoning so if you had a sidewalk in front of the building that means 10 ft from the sidewalk would be the the setb to the building so you the building will be set back more than but in terms of what could be allowed yet assuming that set back is on the property line yes be 10 ft back excuse me is this going to be the do ter uh yes it'll have a bay in it and it will have some housing I have no questions and in order to do what the building intends the um Z the land designation needs to change to the Future land use and the Zone yes okay so do we make a motion to well this is this is uh this is a public hearing so you should hear from the public if anybody wants to speak okay it's time we will open up for public comment to please come to the podium and St your name name and your address please and I'd like to say it's nice to have public I can see you guys get lonely my goodness my name is Charlie c h i r l i e erkman e r k m n I live in 121 R Lake Road Crescent City Florida I want to let you all know that I really appreciate um your staff um your very competent planner and the fire chief has a meeting with myself and with the representative for the cemetery Association they understood our concerns about the setbacks they walked the entire property with us the fire chief even marked out on the sidewalk or the asphalt where the building's going to go with you guys thank you very much voting the setbacks that was our only concern we're excited for the city to go forward with this it's something that's needed and there will be no opposition from us and as far as I know from the cemetery Association they were pleased also so I want to thank you guys for your efforts on this that's all I have thank you thank you thank you at this time you would ask for a motion to approve the small scale comp Amendment then then you have to do the resoning separately that is a public hearing as well have public hearing okay at time we get a motion for the small scale comprehensive plan Amendment I'll make a motion expand or Excel approve second no sorry okay save me from M I'll fill it in yeah thank you thank you k okay it has been second and motion that um we approve a small scale comprehensive plan Amendment from commercial reone to from commercial to public facility future land use yes future land use second yes I'm all in favor all oppos who wants to go ahead and do yes um can we get a motion for the zoning map Amendment for resoning of 2011 North sum Street oh I'm sorry um at this time we will open it up for public comment for 2011 North Summit Street hearing close the hearing and then okay at this time we um public code comment is closed so motion for 2011 North Summit Street uh I would make a motion that uh we um agree to the resoning of the property 21 Su sheet from General commercial zoning District to the PF facilities public facilities zoning District second it has been motioned and second that we res Zone 2011 North Summit Street from commercial to public facility all in favor I all opposed so we'll move on to next item of business D okay so again uh E and F are related so I'm going to talk about them together you'll have to V separately V vote separately okay uh so item enf is the complement and resoning for for uh 122 Central Avenue it's a small scale comp Amendment and resoning the uh cover of plan amendment is from mixed use to Commercial and the resoning is from mr1 multi family residential to Central Business zoning District um and so this is a property that is located on Central Avenue it is uh mid block on the north side of Central Avenue Midlock between North Park and uh North Lake Street uh as you uh are are aware as part of the new Land Development code uh We've created a Central Business zoning uh District uh and it is the intention to app apply that to portions of the of Central Avenue and uh nor Sumit Street we'll talk about that process as a discussion item uh at the end of after the meeting but this particular uh applicant is um the the people I dealt with are the the faers but the the technical property owner is is it I don't even know how to pronounce it is it uh abusan or busman uh family uh revocable living trust but I'm dealing with h the faulkers they have owned this property for some time they have had it as a rental property they have an opportunity somebody's approached them and wants toh open up a professional office I I I believe it's a they want to operate a tile company uh out of this piece of property and so some of the property owners along Central Avenue are are Weare of our plans hopefully many of them are but but but that's something we'll talk about later um and so the faers understand that the process of applying this new zoning category is something that will uh it will be a process it will take some time there will be a number of property owners that are going to be consulted about it and they simply have decided they would like to go forward on their own uh and uh proceed with this uh resoning of their property because it's going to allow them to uh do some of the things that they want to do with the property in the future and so they want to proceed now even though they've been told that if they wait uh it'll all be taken care of for them and it'll be admin strictly done with they wish to receive now so so that's the Genesis of this application and so uh you have in your staff in your package two staff reports one for the comp plan and resoning uh and again uh this uh as as we discussed with uh 2011 nor Summit uh 122 Central Avenue is an area that uh is uh fully developed it is uh perhaps the most urbanized portion of the city all the infrastructure is in place there's nothing EnV s this again this is where where the city wants to see growth the comp plan calls for this area to have growth the uh Urban Development the SI master plan identifies this as an area as the central business district and so uh the the city's future plan Rona and this particular application is consistent with that so uh these reports are entered into the record um but as I said the long and short of this these reports is this is where you want to have both the curve so this is so this is why staff's recommending approval of both the comp you have to answer any questions I'm looking at all these Maps it's all different colors so are we talking about this one where the property is outlined and R so um you should have two staff report that have the 122 Central Avenue on back do you know where um yeah do you know where the be was um when they had the little restaurant on par right there yeah the Down the Hatch and then um I don't know what it is now but um there it is are these the same people that own it's down the hatch and then it's another office where two buildings down that's what Patrick used to have building he sold that Patrick sold it to them okay I you guys would understand it better the addresses know is that right now V but it's most recently used as a res as airbn and they're planning on renovating it they're planning on turning into an office you can turn it into an office what it is here right I don't office they want to do a professional office it's not just it's not like a a it's not a uh home office they want to turn this into you know there'll be nobody residing in it right it's currently zoned for multif family although it's a single family home it's zoned multif family uh and so they want to turn it into a professional offs okay this this would be the first step to get it result that's what they're applying for they're applying for a compl Amendment be the firstep the first step is the comp okay and then do they have to submit a site plan and pictures of what they're GNA build they're going to do interior Renovations they're not taking down a building bread they're just doing inside interior Renovations there the building will right where it's at yeah if if they're if they want to expand the building if they want to change parking or anything like that then they will have to go through Pon my understanding at this point and of course they could change their mind I mean that's one of the things you need to understand after the the zoning and once you do the zoning they could say hey we changed our mind and we want to you know knock this down and put up an office building that conforms to the new Z they certainly could do that that it's probably contributing structure they have to go through you know a bunch of processes to do that but yes in theory they could do that that however is is not what they told us their plans are uh and that's not their intention as far as so Mark you mentioned that they if they would wait the process will be done for them so is there any benefit from them trying to go at it on their own right well the benefit is Charlie fauler believes there'll be a lot of deliberation about the the large number of people involved in the reason and so he thinks that this might be a lik process so even though he was given the option of this is going to go through you know if it does go through it'll be at no cost to you he said I'd rather pay the money and go through the process now that way he's not lumped in with the rest's not lumped in with the rest of us he'll be able to get you know he'll be able to proceed with plans and permits right now he can't you know I won't sign off you know on any plans now interior Renovations you know obviously if he was keeping us at home and was going to do internal Renovations you don't need a sign up if you're going to change the the interior of the building to go from residential commercial I'm typically ask provide a zoning letter that is then carried to the putton county I certainly won't do that if the property is not zon for that so you know he's doing all this to sort of facilitate getting somebody in there as soon as possible I see it as a better use for this location and as well as a complement to what our vision for Central Avenue is to be so I'm I'm encouraged so if you guys have no more questions for me open the public hearing see if anybody wants to talk about it then close the public hearing and then make motion okay at this time we will open up for public comment at this time we will close public comments and we will someone will make a motion I make a motion for the rezoning of U 122 Central Avenue from multif family residential to Central Business Zone she want small scale first the small scale I'm sorry small scale first I'm all the way jumping down I apologize um I motion that we um approve the small scale comprehensive plan Amendment for 122 Central Avenue second it has been motioned and second that we approve the um small scale comprehension plan for 122 Central Avenue all in favor I all oppos um next we will open up for public comments for 122 Central Avenue so at this time we will close public comment get a motion on 122 Central Avenue zoning map Amendment zoning I move that we accept the request for resoning of 122 Central Avenue from multif family residential to to Central Business Zone industri it has been motion and second that we um change um the current Zone and math Amendment for 122 Central Avenue to Central Business all in favor all opposed all right this time we'll move to other items okay um so under uh 5A I just want to bring forward uh for discussion just so you guys know what staff intentions are uh you might have already have maps that that kind of show the Central Business packet I just don't know how I have extra if those are not I mean I think maybe my app might be just a little bit clearer if you guys would like to if you want more tap yeah I'll take do you another yeah there'll be some extras when you get down to the end pass that file down there's another one right there thank you just like when you were a kid in school theer passing something else out [Music] thank [Music] you for what I just passed out is a list of all the properties that will be involved it's I understand small it's not the intention here is is not for you guys to to you know necessarily to read and digest this uh you know but what that is is just it's a spreadsheet it basically identifies all the properties all the property owners it says what their current uh future land use is and Zoning is and it shows what it it's going so that's uh and primarily we're going to use this is we're going to use this to create zoning labels that will go out and there'll be a notice sent to each of uh the property owners on this list um we will have to make uh one change to it because originally at one point we were going to change the property that is proposed 2011 our Summit that was part of the earlier agenda we were going to change that to Central business district as well but we decided to change it to public facilities instead uh and so that whole block so what you have in front of you is a zoning map it's kind of hard to read because it's Tak half by 11 but it shows the whole city and then you have a little bit more of an inset which shows you know which portion of of the the city is being proposed to uh be reson to Central business district and that is generally an area that is uh north and south of Central Avenue and then uh going along Summit uh up to Eucalyptus on both sides of the street and then uh once you get past eucalyptus eucalyptus it will go up to Edgewood just on the east side of the street and uh south of Central Avenue you can see it C Business on both sides get Cyprus uh and then it just picks up again uh South Merl uh and all so Central business district is this uh and you've seen this map before the only difference between this map that you've seen previously uh is the change that we made uh to to be consistent with the zoning action that you're recommending uh they recommended this speak commission tonight regarding the the public facilities zoning so you can see if you look at the area that is eucalyptus and or that whole area shown is blue now that is anticipating this uh that the early resoning will uh be uh at least first read by the city commission by the time people are saying this uh publicly uh and so what this the way this process is going to work is we're going to send a notice to all the people who are listed on that sheet we're going to let them know that we're intending to re own their property to uh Central Business and we're going to invite them to a public meeting that we will hold right here this will be a staff run public meeting so I'll be there and whatever other staff wishes to be there as well and we will uh explain to them about the central business district resoning talk to them about the potential benefits of it explain to them that we are going to reone the property uh change the compliment were necessary and reone those rest of properties at no cost to them and uh give them an opportunity to ask any questions will answer any questions they'll also be given an opportunity at least my recommendation is will be given an opportunity to opt out if they don't wish to do so we'll ask them to do that in writing we'll give them an opportunity to do that and then we will bring it to uh meetings before you guys and we will bring it to uh based upon your recommendation we'll bring it to the city commission for two readings for an ordinance that will uh change all these properties to somei business district uh and so I'm bring this to you guys tonight just as a discussion I want you to hear the process first I'm assuming that once we start sending out notices in the new year that that you'll know some of these people and they might be talking to you and I wanted you to say yes I know all about this process and you know here here's what it is um um and so that's the purpose of discussion so I want to ask you know any questions that you guys you know might have about that process uh again this is sort of a discussion it so you guys aren't making a decision but certainly if you have any thoughts as individuals you know i' certainly like to hear that tonight as we go forward so the the intention would be for there to be a meeting uh send out these notices out in the Year have a meeting towards uh in Jan hopefully in January I don't know you know we we'll check dates make I know there's you know this gets used on various nights so we'll pick a night where this is open and hopefully we'll be able to accomplish that in January get notices out to people with about a a 10day notice maybe maybe maybe two weeks and then uh you this be agenda item for you guys in February and then hopefully a agenda item for the commission uh in March uh April assuming that that happens you know that would be best case scenario we've done these Mass res zonings in other uh communities and it's very rare that I'm able to just sort of move from that general public meeting to the planing commit you know what happens is there maybe a number of people are concerned we have to have individual meetings with with a few of those people help them understand talk through it and so sometimes that process gets extended but ideally that's how it would proceed that's what we're going to hopefully put into the notices so that we don't have to uh do repeat notices but if we have to we will and you say that the the notice will just be that they the proposal to reson their there'll be a they receive a uh letter that letter will identify their piece of property by a d they'll get if you have more they'll basically get one letter generated per partial they know so some people will get multiple letters and it will tell them what their property currently is and what it's proposed to be resoning to it will explain that there's a public hearing and they'll be I will have dates for the planning board meeting the city commission meeting assuming that that all works out and we don't have to change the schedule you know uh so ideally there would be one notice send covering the the three you know the three different meetings but I'm optimistic but but I'm also willing to be flexible and realize that we might have to have additional discussion with people I just have one question simple for clarification so you said all all the colored area here is the c yeah that is the existing zoning map in your hand it covers a much broader area than this map which is just focusing so anything out anything outside of these col squares is out of the city correct I mean I live out in the city no you don't you live in the city you want Prospect car yeah yeah you're in the city I don't know what you're I don't know what you're referring to is fine see good we have to uh have to get a new you [Music] have Could you um remind us on single family residential there's sr1 and then Sr A1 difference excuse me what's the difference between the difference is a minimal lot size difference lot size yeah I see they're very close though it's like 300 square foot difference you know between Sr so I I assume that a is a larger size requirement I believe it is but I can tell you exactly if your well looking at where a is represented on the map it's it's reasonable and uh here you you've written U on this one Mark 1.9 Acres that's the total acreage 109 Acres total acreage involved of this listing correct correct adjust it down because we're going to take out the square footage associated with uh 2011 South Summit Street and just the reason for that total I mean all these properties are are fairly they're they're they're small uh but in total we're talking you know rounding upwards 110 acres hope we get Zone as a part of this process yes yeah that's and you know as part of the title we have to put the aage in there so that's purpose of identify traff so if people do not attend the public hearing they'll be no we're going to send they'll get three notices they're going to get they're well ideally they're going to get they're going to get one notice assuming everything goes perfect and there'll be one notice of that public meeting and the py board meeting and the city commission meeting so we'll do it via mail it'll be mail to each of these individual Property Owners will be invited to it so there's different under the current landel code the way a resoning d works if you are dealing with a you know one individual piece of property it's like everybody uh the resoning on tonight's meeting under the new land every got a notice sent to them who lives within 300 ft so the the meeting and the Adam was you know noticed as as it normally is but then also they got an individual notice to the surrounding Property Owners when you do a master res zoning of this there there's language and for statute that does you don't have to send notice to all the surrounding Property Owners but you do have to send not each of the if the city is doing a resoning you do have to send notes to those inial proper you can't just res somebody property without telling them I think before you gave us this map with existing zoning could you have that sent to us again yeah it's hard to compare it it's easier yeah yeah yeah thank you very much so now if someone doesn't um respond to the letter how was that handled they they've been provided public not they've been provided notice at the uh you know at whatever address they have in property appraisers database and that's all that is required there'll be advertisements in the paper as well so I mean there this is like I said we've done a number of mass resuming before this is actually a fairly small one I don't think there'll be too many people who who don't hear about this there'll be somebody who doesn't hear about it and we'll have some issues but I actually done resoning that involve 30,000 acres and you you send the notice to the property owner I mean lots of people show up usually at that initial meeting I mean I've done that where we've had 300 people show up at that initial so just to make sure I understand so if so they'll be notified um whether they attend the meeting or not it goes on so if they do not OP out their property their property gets reason so let's assume somebody lives out of state and they have a a 10-year-old address on their property that they own here in Cresent City and they've never changed updated it somehow forth their property will get resed and they will not know about it we will be all our we'll meet all our legal obligations but as I said we've done this before and it it does happen there's usually somebody out of state and you know I'll I get contact Ed you know by some person who the city has sent to me who's you know wondering you know how the property got reson three years ago I just have question so so this is what exists now that's the existing zoning right now okay and this is what you want to change to correct add a lot of General business is this all is this you most of what we're resoning is already commercial there's a little bit of it that is that is not you can see if you look here there's a few properties that are not red I mean that's what the red on this indicates so everybody who's who's read on this list is General commercial and they're going to go to Central business district as sooning they don't po out okay just the black area here you is that the Miller School uh some of it is the the Miller School yes so in any case but there are some people who have residential and they'll go to commercial assuming they don't opt out you know so I mean typically what happens there'll be one or two people that no matter how I explain to them no matter how I indicate to them it's you know it's to their benefit we'll spend time going through the zoning category we'll compare and contrast with them I'll meet one with them you're you're you're you're working for the government you're I just don't trust what you're doing and I want to opt out somebody is going to do that it just always happens I have another question um this is sr1 this pain get sr1 okay what is what is the little black band that goes all along the sh that's going to be reson no I think that little black band is just sort of the limits of this city There's an actual aerial underneath it and this is done in GIS and so it shows all the docks and everything in the black so is that all so just so so you understand the way we made this we had an aerial map and we laid all the parcels on it so you can see all these little parcel so that's a layer in the map and then the zoning the layer on top of it and there's just not a the shape files just are not perfect overlays so that's kind of what you're seeing because it shows that that shows all those properties with the boat houses and everything is done is General commercial well I I think what this map is showing is that uh first another stuff down there in the the sr1a we're not touching any of those the only properties that resoning are those that are on that list and that are shown in the black with the red uh horizontal lines so this is pretty much this what area right here yeah it's just and of course provide I think you're correct you did see something in the past where being set yeah thank you Mark you're one that's all I have um for this evening [Music] okay all right at this time is there any public comments close for public comment Bo members members do you have any comments yes I make a motion we adjourn I'll second has been motion and second that we are dur the Planning and Zoning meeting for December the 18th 2024 the last one I noticed that it under an hour yes