##VIDEO ID:J5V8GcqlSDw## you're now clear okay let's all stand for the pledge of which flag [Music] is FL flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with li justice jce for all for all yep for all yes okay notice requirements of the public meetings act for this meeting have been met by transmitting the notice of the regular meeting to the commission's official newspaper on February 1st 2024 posting the notice where required and filing a copy of the notice with commission work the delay commission meeting will be audio and vide taped and will be shown on ATV Optimum 77 and M County on Friday 28 Alan Hur present sister thank you as Park [Music] deal here next and ocean here Carol's here tonight we have a resolution the minutes of the regular meeting from September 19th 20124 someone pleas offer I'll offer second L I have there's one mistake uh and it was just about there was something missing maybe inadvertently but you remember we all dis U there was discussion about the ownership of The Flume and Don had asked Bruce to uh take over for him and that's not in the minute and I thought that it probably should be we gave it a little bit of time for was that action was completed so we'll so note that thank didn't mention I don't know where here is here yeah hello hello pause so okay so I didn't hear what happened Jesse what did you say oh so you're going to add that in it said he would like he would like to ask Bruce from Genie if you look on the last page yeah commissioner's last words okay it says Don BR chairman of the commission said he's had a lot of was very stressful due to the insurance issues brought on by the state he would like to ask Bruce prer B of alen her commissioner to head a team to find out a put in the word who owns the flo there you go okay thank you you're welcome good job let's move on didn't finish with minut so who's offering the minutes I was okay as amended ENT L second enter L second all in favor hi okay Bruce do you have the treasures report yes I'll read the treasurer's report thank you very much with the consent and permission of the eminent commission ahead Mr brockel may I proceed yes sir so at the beginning of the month the total on deposit we had was 97,3 47119 we had receipts the amount of $377 51 the total available amount is 97,7 24.70 before dispersements the were dispersements in the amount of $4,673.14 unless we recognize D not going to them that's if not if they're not here by that time they're they're not unless I recognize the name yeah got rid of him he just comes in on a different name each time so yeah that's okay we won't we will not admit them okay all right if we don't recognize the name they're not coming in well we got the dog upset here that's all right okay keep on going go okay Bruce what oh sorry sorry Bruce can't hear Bruce you can't hear we can hear you now Bruce you were muted no I don't know who muted me but I thought there was a wild cat in the house it is it is Bruce go ahead buddy it's all done I read it already final total sorry 93,676 you know Bruce could you just do it again and absolutely okay I think K can cut out the noise balance on hand the beginning of the month was 97 34715 we had receipts totaling $377 51 total available amount 97,7 24.70 from that we had total dispersements at $ 4,679 making the total balance at the end of month 93,173 7 cents which is divided between our accounts at the manison bank and in the New Jersey Cash management fund that's it thank you someone please approve the treasures report and to pay bills I'll I'll uh as right Park thank you second deal got it Alan yes as yeah deal yeah interl yes L Garber yes and ocean yes why it's so nice to have yes thank you six out of the seven Prett so close I know so wor okay okay okay Don okay well you know what I mean I'm still shaking by the first one that was pretty hard um so anyway I'm sure K could could modify that I'm gonna bring that up at the end of the meeting I got a couple ideas I just jot it down but we're going to go over old business uh the due theep storm water management Grant um still waiting for the final submit our submitt of the um insurance information right we have to we're Gathering that we have ocean has approved us um it's just a matter of getting the fin fin quote get the paperwork and Certificate of Insurance I'm hoping we get that in a couple weeks and then we can forward it to the state the state's not willing to sign up and have a sign before they have that document which I think is crazy because we're working it um so we'll just see where that goes I might press them a little bit more with v go pal but I'm not sure if I'm going to do that or not but right now Peter we think we're on we can get back on schu um I think we proceed as if we're getting back on schedule and then decide closer to completion of plans whether we need to ask for an extension but we should be very clear to the state that the extension request is not of our doing it's solely of their doing and they're implementing regulations while they may be justified totally different than anything they've ever done in the past on one of their grads okay okay so so be it any any questions on that okay and Steve's been aware of this Steve's been working at all great and and Steve submitted some I think only need we're supposedly getting back um the old but the old money I think it's about $49,000 and we're in the process of getting that we had a leak through you know leak over tall buildings single bound just to get the D to understand that they were wrong on asking us for smittle of small Miss contractors uh they wanted to you know there was three or four different contract delivered nurseries Nursery items that they want us to complete taxation forms and various other forms we said that's wrong we told you it was wrong and we're not going to do it so they backed down gave precises information and that was the end of that so okay Shoreline protection um a bunch of things happened recently uh there was there was a couple letters I received because I I mired the property um I guess the property owner or this property the person that was selling the property looking for a de lineation from the state for store of what is it sure what is it Wetland oh Wetlands right whether in with what's what part of the property is it with I submitted a letter based on my history my personal history of the property as in a civilian and I said it to the state it's over on cores in South edmir it's that long ranch house uh I think it's 52 527 or corley's 520 corley's Avenue it's multiple Lots most most in interl and one in West Allen so I don't know what's going on with that and here Peter did you hear anything back no we probably won't hear anything back until they'll get a response okay and then decide how to proceed with whatever they want to do in the Jeanie there's there's also I know Jeanie's got a house to her and there's another one down the street uh next to the Methodist home that's Methodist Church that's for sale and there's some discussion about that particular property and putting bulkheading up and I don't think there's bulkheading there or I don't think there's bulkheading there so answer I gave there's no bulk heading they probably can't do it but they can't clean up the proper there's a lot of bushes and they they may want to cut down trees which obviously don't like we trim them back uh and put and bushes on the lake but it's a very sensitive area I mentioned that the e park when they call but it's right next to the church on the lake so that's that's three properties I know about [Music] recently and I know some of the towns are planning to do some things and probably should maybe draft a letter up to the town maybe and see if they're gonna be doing something give us some information give give us some work if you're going to do it what do you think of that pet I think it's important because I know right now called me today to evaluate something in Al apparently there is a open space Grant application to the county for some improvements along the shoreline d right and it would be appropriate for the da commission to contact the town [Music] sure okay yeah we really need to let these towns know that uh if they're going to do any kind of work within 50 feet of that of the of the shoreline that they have they have to not only notify us but they've got to be in communication with the with the state de State D and I I you know they they must do that or they're going to be in violation of of the law and it seems like at least in my town that may not be happening I'm not sure exactly I just got wind of it today so um hopefully we we really should send a generic letter out in ising uh the towns that they that they remain in communication with us for anything which is adjacent to the Shoreline and and and certainly within 50 feet of the shoreline yeah agreed Bruce um I was just going to say I don't know if you remember this but we worked on putting something together for all of the uh construction departments so uh a statement that would go either attached somehow or on their website that says for any permits for any Lakefront work that they contact the njde and and different this is different jie this is this is specifically to the towns right that's what I'm talking to do with the land owners it's specifically I'm talking about the towns asking the towns to put it on their websites or or on we're jie we're we're gonna we're going to take care of the letter the first letter is discussing the information about the town's doing work on their property and then we that's that's what we're working on that we have already we already did that with the shoreline protection no I'm I am talking about the towns I'm talking about contacting the I'm doing it with Asbury Park with the construction Department to put on on their permitting section that there you remember we developed that with Steve a paragraph that states that any lakefront property owner needs to contact the njde before Pro proceeding with any construction work or any Landscaping work each each commissioner say can't do that I can send out that uh what we developed that paragraph that you can share with your um construction departments in each of the towns if you'd like to have that I'll I'll send it out to everybody and send it send it to me first okay okay um let me let's roll one please um so Peter you're good with it y so maybe next meeting just we'll talk okay Co um and that be a draft um what else that's that's it for the the sh line protection any other questions yeah can I just make one remark sure we really need to get that letter out quickly because this thing with Allen her is appears to be um on on the agenda for November 12 so we really should you know let them know immediately because they're they're planning on doing some things along the banks there a river walk from what I understand revamping the dock over there so um if we could do that as quickly as possible that would go a long way thank you okay yeah the one thing about alur is they're going to rip up that bridge that's going to be a disaster in West Allenhurst Allenhurst and that's going to be tied up for four four years or so and they may not be thinking about that you know I mean you know that's why they should come to us but it's it's gonna be some time to build that bridge and there's there's prep work I mean there so whatever you do now is probably going to get destroyed when they put the bridge in so this this relates to this so let I'd like to add this in I don't know I asked Steve if he knew about it he wasn't sure but the New Jersey Department of Environmental Protection instituted a new requirement uh to all Municipal all municipalities that they adopt and enforce a CommunityWide ordinance covering tree removal and replacement and all towns in New Jersey had to do that by May 2024 so and it's part of the effort to manage storm water runoff particularly in the face of climate change and and you can go to the site and see it but this is what's happened as a result of this new requirement all the seven towns we're talking about that we that we represent adopted a tree ordinance for their towns they call it tree replacement removal ordinance and you can see on each of the towns on their websites what their new what the new tree ordinances are um so basically if anyone wants to remove a tree even if it's from private property they must replace it with the tree of a similar trunk diameter or multiple smaller trees on that property it's not an ideal municipalities can do a better job than the model that was sent out but it's start and and it's something that we've wanted to see happen so I just wanted to let everybody know that all towns have done that as of May 2024 now now enforcement for big thing is enforcement right so well it it is an MS it is an ms4 requirement so it's not like just some kind of like you know out there in The Ether type of thing it's an ms4 requirement uh you know that has been put on the town so uh it is significant and is something that is backed by legislation and by rules right okay thanks thank um okay we're going to keep on going uh Goose we got the goose remediation report got the goose remediation report you'll have copies of it I sent sent that out with the package um and the good news is in the last two years we removed was it over 80 80 eggs if I read that right that's a lot and this year was 46 eggs 11 nests were one Nest higher than last year and what about 12 eggs more so that's that's a major that's a major success story right there and that's capturing all the eggs from all the towns now when you send this out Jesse will this go this information will also go to the towns when you send the bills right Y and will you you're sending also the bills to the Commissioners I I'd like to have that copy because I'm GNA be that's why I sent that's why I sent this this paperwork to you guys so right that and let's move on here we go um we establishing a joint meeting I also sent to you guys the copies of the resolution that we we we approved last month and Jesse and Hunt worked on the final wording of the the agenda so and that was that was done and that's coming out probably next week you you'll get the you got the C that's going to go out next week to the U your your clerks or managers city managers Town managers and that that process we don't think we need any push from any Commissioners but just if you have questions from them they can you call and ask um if you don't know the answer you know give me a call and I could help you out but right now it's going to be going out in the next two weeks you might get some questions and it's it doesn't have to be done immediately it it the way I the way I I understand it it could be signed next year uh we're getting the last final document signed by Asbury hopefully next week and we'll move on with that so that's that okay any other questions on that okay fall cleaner coming up [Music] November if I don't get stuck in a lake dig me out uh we start the low of the lake on November 3rd at night Sunday night after dark um I right I'm thinking you you said about the the advertisement in the coaster can we also put in there add the information about November 3rd lowering so people can oh sure right so they can have time to clean up around our Lake if they want to fix their dock alen is actually going to take I think they're going to take out the fountains at that point in time for the win so they don't get damaged okay so I thought that was a really good idea Barco we probably should mention the Barco and you what I'll send it to the the towns that have sure sure sure the message boards put it on mess yeah and if we can pass it along to our our folks um in the towns that'd be great um but and neighbors that you know of and we'll get it on Facebook we'll get it on on the website um that we're going to be low on the lake starting November 3rd and folks are going to have two or three weeks possibly depending what we have Reigns and right now not having all that rain of course that week we'll probably have a monsoon we'll see but there's a lot of debris in the lake we'll have M University there in Mass I we will need captains of of various different locations Carol's got that with May Steve you're here you're here that week I I am here this I just have to figure out when I'm working and when I'm not working that weekend and I I know Anthony D stano I think he's going to help out Carol asked Anthony so I think interl is covered and but we got a lot of Lo Arbor area a park and I'm not sure we're going to have people for Sunset maybe Sunset I got at Ford um but yeah we're going to spread them out have one couple people in Allenhurst we're G have Colonial Terrace folks we'll probably have people in I've heard one Messa schools have been told yeah did they oh were they yes I know they're doing a spring but I didn't know they were going to do the fall so that's good that's good and some of the kids can do you can do it anytime that week it doesn't have to be particularly on Saturday but we're going to have the mom's college kids so we're going to maximize the use of those mom's college students and get them a little stroke are the stroke youro folks coming say that again are are the stroke youro folks coming that have come before they are mom with University is already uh coming and that's no no no and and how about the lake hope haong folks I don't think so they know about it though I haven't got confirmation from them Brook Hill has a school as part of Asbury Park does book Bale know the cooking people yeah yeah okay they got to cook first that'd be nice they can rect I never thought about that that's really good they do breakfast oh oh it's right there do you know do you work no I just my son goes to school there okay maybe that's where we start that's Danish Danish and coffee that'd be pretty nice before we get our hands dirty we'll talk about you guys look into that that would be awesome that' be a big I like it okay hey Don remember to record remember to record all of the inine services because we need that for the new Grant get that damn thing sign huh before the cleanup that's what we gotta do I guess it counts I guess it counts now right yeah yeah I would I would still record all of the in kind Services you know you know with the clean up we'll have the numbers for sure also I notifi the a park super superintendent of the Department of Public Works and they will be cleaning out the mtds okay great and hopefully they do it that week because by by by Tuesday they should be it should be low enough for them to clean so Tuesday after Tuesday would be out I gave him the date um I'm still waiting to hear something back but I gave him the dates and okay I'll let you to do okay we have two motions to go to take care of go ahead resolution to authorize me to advertise the 2024 deal full clean up and an amount not to exceed $400 so second L all in favor oppos hi then we have another one to authorize the commission chairman to purchase supplies for the 2024 da cleanup and an amount left with C300 someone offer Allan Hurst offer second got it all in favor I all oppos okay and be honest I I usually only buy stuff it's on sale if we need it so if we need it I I think I bought some grippers the other day in Costco that were actually are low numbers of rppers mommoth University I'm sorry MTH um county is going to be there in forest and I told them we're going to need a lot more grippers because we're have a lot more people so and of course weather weather dependent right we try to do a r or shine but hopefully it's it's shiny and relatively warm about how many show up over 100 okay maybe 150 no it's big it's big yeah there's people all over just it's fun oh something different this year um that Josh recommended and Josh is got be out of town that day but I'm gonna let I'm gonna let him go wild when he gets back uh because the lake will still be there but we bought four sets of magnets with fishing magnets um so have have some fun with the kids and we're g to put teams up on the bridges to fish for bikes and whatever else we can't see in the water so car or anything like that so that's that's going to be a fun part of so we'll do the main Bridges going across the lake and see what we get that's it new business new business uh any any old business did I miss okay we're going to new business um I'm gonna let Bruce take this what it's Flume own Flo ownership and uh I know Bruce Bruce met with me I gave him a tour of The Flume area then he also met with pet so uh I'm going to let Bruce take it from here go ahead so from what I understood uh the project was to try to make a determination as to the ownership of The Flume and uh I walked out with Don and and it looked as though the gate house The Flume the slle gates the outfall it all looked like it was right on the border of of lock Arbor and uh and Asbury Park um Jesse was kind enough to produce some documents uh I believe the document was dated August of 1920 and that document was an agreement between uh Ocean Township which then was the owner of lock Arbor uh the property where lock Arbor now is I should say and Asbury Park and the agreement was between the two of them to create this uh this Flume and and gate house um we I then went over to Peter's office Peter had a lot of uh sketches and drawings that we looked through and it's it's almost astounding that this that this properly line between Ocean Township now loock Harbor and Asbury Park almost perfectly bcts the gate house The Flume the SLO Gates all the way out to the to the outfall it's just absolutely remarkable it is on either side so where where the property line is it's half Ury Park and half Ocean Township now lock Arbor uh we did not find any documents that showed what happened in terms of the building of the gate house in The Flume uh someone was obviously contracted to do it I believe it was at a cost of $10,000 to each municipality back in 19 1920 uh but we don't really know who who who was the one responsible for for building it although we know that the two towns contracted some contractor uh to do this in in in in concert in concert with the the county and the state uh but who actually owns the Mechanicals that that's we we really couldn't come to any conclusion on that except that you know we're the ones that meaning the commission is the ones that have been uh putting up the the money and getting the the um the grants and the the loans and or what have you to do the improvements so I think they kind of the the the conclusion we could draw is that the state is the owner of the lake the towns the two two towns own the property of where the the flum and the Gars are located and we're responsible for uh being the custodians of the of the health of the lake I think that's about the best we can do although without without actually going crazy and I'm not sure we want to do any more remember that this whole question came out came up because of the insurance situation um and I don't think it really matters frankly I mean I as an attorney I'm aware that you don't need to own something to have an insurable interest in it and to to be to to be able to procure insurance and things that you don't necessarily have the ownership of so I I also understand Peter was going to create a sketch which we can put on the website which will show uh sort of like a a a a map uh survey map where you can see uh the different things and where they're located on the ground on the I think they they they like to use the word the survey on the face of the Earth and you'll be able to see all that once we get that finalized and and post it on the website so that's all I have wow thank you I thank Peter the most the most interesting thing though if you go down there and physically look at land on the ground the street the parking spaces are lock Arbor right in front of the Flo and the road there's a defined line where the road ends in lock Arbor and ansbury and it's it looks like the floom house is in lockar so the the guys that did the road work are you know a little bit it's their lines are different than what Peter has so it's pretty interesting and if you do a GPS check of the as Park parking lot you you'll find that when you when you Google it you'll be in you'll be in Locker on the on the on the north side of aort farg La it shows it as lock so it's crazy stuff but I don't know who's drawing the map Peter Maps is the original map I'll just add I thank thanks to Bruce for his Direction and guidance and what will come out of this we'll have a map that shows the lake the gate house the flu Crossing Ocean Avenue The Flume extending to The Surge chamber which is the large open structure out on the beach and then from The Surge chamber about 400 plus feet further to the outfall which now occurs uh in the middle of the deal Lake Jetty so we'll have a plan and it shows lock Arbor on the North it shows Asbury Park on the south and we have survey drawings showing each town as an easement and cass's property is surveyed right in the middle of that's exactly right yes and the as Park property that's the parking lot now was the marine Grill site so um the road joins you don't have right for digit Ocean Avenue yeah yes we we repaired in Ocean Avenue in lock Harbor after the super storm sanding when the storm actually lifted the asphalt up so the road the property the parking lot the parking spot in front of the I'm sure should really be as no no no okay I don't believe so okay although no I don't believe so okay but it's very interesting and what we'll have is a drawing I have the 2002 plan um where the D extended The Flume and that's when they put it internal to The Jetty um I don't know if anyone recalls this Margo May because I raised the stink about it when they proposed that Jetty reconstruction they had it going on an angle into lock Arbor which would go like 35 degrees into lock Arbor right into their surfing Beach and they actually were going out to bid with those drawings and um I did what you just did on that single property I wrote a letter we did a little more than just write a letter and they realized they were making a mistake and they brought it back uh into the jet uh it's been working fairly well now Don wouldn't you say in terms of controlling the fall to yeah St sand buildup sand build up flush it that easily I think the fish are coming in so that's good and so thanks Bruce you did a great job and you know as a historical note you when we when we took a look at those at those drawings and and saw that the property lines between the two towns almost perfectly bisects this Flume one has to conclude that the two towns did this on purpose for what reason I don't know but they did it on purpose so that each of them could claim that either ownership interest or or or or maintenance interest or maybe because one didn't want the other one to have complete control who knows what the reason was but it was it it could not have been an accident I don't want it no you don't okay thanks guys um next subject the next November meeting we have we have no November meeting uh it's just December 5th is our next meeting right assum the question is and is this this leads to another question do you want that to be 100% Zoom or do you want to be do you want it to be hybrid in December what do what do you guys want do what's the date December 5th December 5th for me hybrid is best because I I may be in Florida I I don't know for me hybrid's always best but whatever if I'm not going to be there um the co commissioner from Allenhurst can be there so whatever the commission wants is okay with me but it would ensure that we'll have either myself or Tony marrow if we if we do a uh a zoom okay H thanksgiv yeah the question the question of also is you know do we do Zoom hybrids every meeting or do we do something different do we you know in the winter time we do zoom and I think I think the annual meeting in January we're going to have to do a hybrid but um it's only going to be open to the the zoom ability of the Commissioners can come in and the staff but the public will have to be here make any comments because it's a long meeting that that was one thought and we could talk about that in the December meeting what we're going to do in January March but just just think about that if you have any ideas jot them down or email them to me um and we can suppos can is it legal to have a public meeting I mean to have a meeting without the public I being a I didn't say that I I said you the public will be invited but they'll only be able to comment at if they're present at the meeting that's what I don't know if that's legal yes it is just the you have to you're got to publish the meeting that it's here yes we have a hybrid we have a zoom hybrid like and and for the ability to tape it number one right and if they want to watch it and not comment they'll have theil but it's they have a right to come down and say say whatever's on their minds now the second thing which just popped up twice um do we have to put something in the zoom in our meeting announcements that say you have to be on the zoom prior to 7 o'clock so we can pre-screen the people and they have to show their their they have to show their face they have to show their image because you know we can screen them out right away we don't have to you know we don't have to start recording until we see everyone so that's what I'm thinking to solve to solve that problem we will not let be a good way to go about it what you do is you you lock the meeting at a certain point okay okay just say that meeting will be locked at 710 or 705 or whatever and another thought too that I had and I think I brought this up a long time ago that having the same meeting idea for multiple years that's an invitation people know when the meeting is going to happen yeah they know what time it's going to happen and all you need is somebody to do to be slick pop themselves in there and then you got a problem you want to you want to change for the next year starting starting in December oh yeah definitely changing the so you don't have a recurring that's a great idea K why don't we just do that for start the next meeting and we'll go for the year and we'll see how it goes and then we'll change it from year to year I like that because that was that was pretty that was the first time that's happened I think be 100% honest I'm I'm surprised we didn't get nailed sooner yeah we talked about it in the beginning about not having at a recurring meeting then for that would you recommend we change it more often what yeah change it more often I would you know I don't I don't know if we have to do that let's let's try let's just switch it and see how it works let's not get too crazy I don't think um maybe in six months we're make a different decision but let's let's let's keep it at least for six months and see how it is um what else but the the idea about K Ken the idea about check have anybody checked in by a certain time and then they'd be locked out right I mean that we'd have to announce that is that correct right yeah yeah okay very good and uh that's that that was exciting do you want to do that for the next meeting then everyone you want to make it like right locked out at what 705 710 well we'll start the meeting at 7:05 and we'll get everybody in by 7 and we'll officially start at 705 7:05 it closes the zoom session lock we're gonna lock out at 705 okay and be honest I see people coming in so if I don't recognize a name I don't have to let them in right right we don't let them in if we don't know them well we can in the beginning we we can they have to to let them in we have to see their image I think we can do that again right we could see their image beforehand or not yeah you can yeah you can kind of do it but I mean the situations are so fluid so you know I should you know what it looked like a bizarre name I didn't recognize the name and I I was I was it it it hopped around it actually was funny it hopped around my screen can I couldn't catch it so I muted it first I saw that I saw it did you see was it Popp it on your screen too yeah y yep all of ours lot of things are hopping on that screen well you could say 7:05 you know the public kind can come in on Zoom after 7:05 but then if a if a commissioner is running late they can always try to get in and you you'll know who it is and let them in the name pops up so you let them in right right if a name comes in that you know you can always let them in yeah know entity would be would be locked down they have to wait for the film at at 11 sorry so that's how I should put it up we should put it on the website and newsletter 705 they have to be no I would say they have to be on by S don't say I don't I don't think we say5 seven but we we want them on by seven seven o'clock and we can we could use a rule 705 right they're mes right Ken could lock them out I can lock them out too so yeah and yeah suggestion I have too is you you may want to require people to have a recognizable name okay um that's a good idea except if people call in which you can call in using Zoom we've had that problem too you'll only have a phone number and it could be someone who's just traving I I I that's a great question do do we disallow phone calls in no I don't think so I don't think you have the same problem with the phone is you did what we just had somebody could say something yeah yeah we could hit that out okay no I think it should we won't allow phone numbers in either after 75 so we we can say it's going to be locked the system is going to be locked down at 7:05 nobody will be allowed in after or just say after the meeting starts after meeting after the meeting starts yeah okay yeah let's hey send do me a favor send that note around to everyone on the wording on that so we all can look at it before we publish it okay okay sure I want hunt to look at it too check it out all right thanks that's uh that's all the new stuff I got um what else um any other new business I missed commissioner's last word let's start with car she very question thanks Don um so I just wanted to uh say that uh with the cleanup i' I've seen a lot of submerged material um along um you know the Lake Shore and blck Arbor and when the lake is lowered I'm sure that will be visible and I'm hoping that maybe you know we can get some of that out um and I want to remind anybody from Mammoth University who might be you know listening that uh you know to wear old shoes or better yet you know boots um and Don if you could bring some of those magnets I think we I would like to like let's try them in some in front of some of the storm drains because I now have these things from four municipalities so I have found them in asri park lock Arbor Allen HZ and deal U they are definitely from the street sweepers no doubt about it they are they are they are and and maybe we can fish them out with a magnet because they are they do seem to Cluster around the storm drains so they're probably going down the storm drains so let's try that with your fishing magnets okay we can also the road departments at allers deal what the deal is with these street sweepers and they're just the way they are they're causing more Dam to Street I think it's just the nature of the machine you know I was surprised they went to metal I thought they always had like bristles like heavy duty metal bristles these older machines oh I'm looking at Mar Marg are these older machines they have I think so okay you know you know just what they have they're not but it's not it's not a lock Arbor thing okay it's around it's steel Allen Hurst and asre I found them in all four municipalities okay I guess we can all check you know commission check the road departments and see what they say yeah and I just want to thank for some Mar could you give one to bar when you get a chance may she could take it with her oh yeah I can do this yeah okay so we'll check the road department system you know we report back in December okay I just and I just want to thank Bruce go ahe [Laughter] Bruce go ahead I just want to thank Bruce for great information on the uh The Flume great research great cool information really neat thank you [Music] Mar we have our clean action beach suite is this Saturday October 19th 9 12:30 please come or send someone um I I really had more of a question today I saw there's a house under construction in lock gber um and the man was just and it happens to have a sewer great right in front of it at the corner and the man was just from the construction team was just sitting there sweeping something into the great and watch that's I'm seeing the tail end it um it wasn't any material I could actually see to like ask him to grab and stop going in there what does a citizen do when they actually just see something weird like that what do you do I see it all the time I've seen it my entire professional career drives me crazy when uh landscape contractors blow grass into St um you know you're kind of your health sometimes when you confront someone like that you can do it nicely but generally they're not very [Music] responsive yeah I think code enforcement you can take a picture difficult I I've called the police there ordinances I think probably in your town too yes it's obvious there are ordinances and you're not supposed to do it and the drain says please no trash leads to Waterway but realistically very frustrating it's very hard to know what to do in that moment I I've called the police and they have called come over and told people to stop doing it and then it's actually the homeowners who's responsible if it's a but you you yes but that's all beautiful idea yeah I just I call the police it works for me police please get work me we've had confrontations on tree cutting before the police and town and all the officials and the contractor put you open the door and send his dog after the so that was fun too anyway but good question good question um who bar um only thing we talked about at the last town meeting was Raising beaches oh reallyis um there's two couple store drains that deal that we're looking at down the road to put some kind of treatment there also there's also storm drain what Page Avenue when they put the fixed Page Avenue and deal not p p there's no P deal what is it except continuous it's Richmond yes they put they didn't fix a storm Dr they fixed the road but didn't fix stor so they're non compliant storm and we we mentioned it to the previous the previous administrator and you know he's passed away so we might want to revisit it with the current Administration you go down that tree by St Mary School St Mary yes that has come up in than one town meeting and they keep saying they're going to send down little cameras to go figure out if they're d d all they need to do put a grade on I don't care no no no no there's like four different spots that overflow oh overflow that's because all the [Music] trashes I don't know who's speaking I I hear a voice sorry it's Barber from from deal oh okay no I don't need to be on camera there I am okay sorry I you should come jie come over here but it's wonderful beautiful to do so anyway uh thank you thank you very uh let me see here we got Bruce Bruce yeah Bruce so uh I think I spoke up I was thinking Chang man a few words jie how how about you well you know I just there were just two things and I would like Josh to speak a little bit we you know we've been working to get these the new Lakefront homeowners um the same information we I wrote a letter uh we're putting in the pamplet that was developed for Lake Front homeowners and a card so people can get on our email list um and Josh is mailing him tomorrow right Josh do you want to speak about that yeah no they actually went out today uh what I did was I pulled sales history for for since 2020 October of 2020 so we got four years worth of turnover for waterfront homes and all municipalities so as long as it was recorded you know publicly I used it through the MLS system which is what Realtors use as long as that was listed and sold they got a letter and the uh deal Lake pamphlet and our information and that should be in their mailboxes tomorrow H how many were there Josh uh 33 total okay but I have some software that'll allow us to pull all waterfront homes so if we want to do a mass mailer next year I'd be happy to compile that data and do a mail merge I would just need help like stuff in the envelopes he Josh question the return address where where's the return address to uh whatever was on our website I so if we don't get to yeah Jessie okay got back to Jess the question though um is I do you know what the number is Josh you haven't pulled that to see how many we had I think we had about 320 that we Del hand delivered to last time so that's yeah I don't know I'd have to pull that that takes a little more digging yeah because I have to go into talk sh to do that which I can do but it's a little bit more bring it up excuse me Don but the reason I bring it up is because it's 78 cents I think just to send a first class I don't even know if it would be more than that because depending on the weight but um do we want to spend that to send them or do I mean I can again Ask for volunteer let's let's wait let's wait let's see how the year goes wa no one's going to be doing anything until probably April so right talk we'll talk about it maybe at our March meeting think about that whether we want to get we'll get a volunte then we get some volunteers to help out from the the other part is I would like to get started to write another pamphlet for people that are away from the lakefront and I'd like people's input on that in terms of what else we think and and Margot saying you know that is something we should emphasize not blowing tree tree leaves and debris and garbage into the storm drain that's one there are many things that apply to both lakefront and non- Lakefront people but um the this brochure pamplet would be for non- lakefront so um you know I'd like anytime you think of anything in particular I I'd like you to send that to me and Steve I'll be in touch with you about that as well but I'd like to get going on that you know starting in January I'm in no Russia brochure right now I think we provide a tremendous amount of information on the website on the Facebook page and I don't know if anybody reads them I I don't know what do you think I agree with that I don't think people are reading it yeah we spend a amount of time and stuff I'll be honest we have so much to do in the coming year on these these grants it's insane no matter what and we're gonna need all hands on deck to help out with a lot of things part Don I think part of what we do right is part of the grant is an educational piece and that's something different but that's right now no I mean the grant requires that doesn't it like also to provide information for the public we'll revisit from now we're we're not going to do it now no but I I'm interested in um you know other people's opinion or our brochure that you helped make me it was beautiful and that that one we have is awesome so so keep and use years Beyond Don just uh the the the remark about um not putting debris in those uh those inlets uh the storm drains they also called inlets um maybe you could have you're big on the Boy Scouts maybe you could get one of these Boy Scouts to make a project to put something on the inlet itself this ISS do not put debris in here or something along those lines because people it's all the new ones say that they do that okay yeah they do they need a camera on them yeah I don't think the police department I don't think people realize you know where that stuff is going you know they just push stuff in there so anyway I was I mean they beat is that correct they have um direct access to the Waterway yeah and some of them have raised lettering um do not yeah I mean people be honest with you right I mean people don't some people just don't know they blow leaves leaves on my property sometimes my new neighbor correct sometimes people just don't know sometimes it's it's laziness but sometimes they don't and that's why I guess that's my thing is I feel like helps to solve a lot of our problems not all of them but it's important that the public know because we had we had a neighbor in West Allen that that chopped down a whole bunch of brush and Greenery and it was on that of property nobody picked the phone up and but you know by the time you know four hours was done the landscaper had basically destroyed the shoreline right and I just saw today they put some seed Down The netting down and the seed within it we don't have a lot of rain but at least they got some cover down on the ground protect it from going to the lake so anyway that's it for me um that's it let's motion open up for the public a motion to open the meeting to the public so second hi I okay anybody from the public would like to speak not many public out there there's nobody motion to close pa okay ad Park I make the motion to close all in favor iose lost your public a motion to close the meeting to move the adjourn the meeting to the [Laughter] meeeting mov all in favor e