##VIDEO ID:QD95rppbhVc## all right let me know once there we are recording all right very good good evening welcome to the September 9th 2024 Township committee meeting held at the municipal building 770 Cooper Town Road here in Blanco can I have the roll call please Janice M Beverly for a habit Miss Fitzpatrick here Mr olette here miss Seuss is absent Mr templon here Mr Bartley here also present Mr Schwab our Township administrator Mr Fox our Township engineer Mr Raymond filling in for Mr heinold as our Township solicitor Mrs lore is absent Mrs Russell our deputy municipal clerk Mr fenmore superintendent of Public Works Lieutenant Warren filling in for chief tiller of the police department and that is everybody could we please rise for the flag salute I to FL of the United States of America and to the it stands one nation indivisible andice for the sunshine statement please Beverly please be advised the proper notice of this meeting has been given in compliance with the open public meetings act in the following manner written notice has been mailed to the Burlington County Times and Courier Post and published in the January 4th 2024 editions written notice has been posted on the official bulletin board of Township of Delano at least 48 hours prior to the meeting live stream statement this meeting of the Delano Township committee may be transmitted via live stream on YouTube video the streaming of the meeting is not intended to be relied upon as formal Public Access under OA and if the technology is disrupted for any reason the township meeting will proceed in person as an official meeting in accord with the official notice all right that being said if you're watching from home and return sideways just turn your screen because uh it was acting a little funkier just turn your head uh we'll start off the evening with ordinance 2024-25 entitled an ordinance of the township of Delano providing for and determining the rate of compensation for officers and employees to amend the current Year's rates for certain positions second reading by title only and public hearing and we'll open the hearing to the public for ordinance 2024-25 seeing none we will close this ordinance uh hearing to the public and I'll ask for a motion to adopt ordinance 202 24-21 on second reading so move second motion by m Fitzpatrick second by Mr Templeton roll call please MTH Patrick yes Mr oette yes Mr Templeton yes Mr Bartlett yes all right uh next is ordinance 2024-25 amending the township codee at chapter 193 governing Hawke Island second reading by title only and public hearing real quick before we open it to the public Steve and I I emailed this to Doug and janison Richard the other day under 1934 prohibited activity P it says the no fireworks Open Flame Etc without permission from the township committee and the fire commissioner that should be the Fire official I assume there's no issue with just no dictating that change yes we I I talked to Doug about that that that is the been a Mis change there's no need to uh to reintroduce or anything you can you can vote on that ordinance as amended um without without the need all right great yeah because the fire Commissioners they don't approve anything that's up to the Fire official yes all right uh that being said I will open the hearing to the public for ordinance 2024 -22 any comments or questions step up and approach the podium and give your name and address for the record meeting is now open to the public almost there hello my name is Donna moris uh I live at 101 Vine Street my friend to haulk Island I just have question sure have the police been able to get an ATV yet for when this all really takes effect and as far as the parcels on haulk island I know there's major confusion on who owns what has anything been done to solve back cuz the police don't know what property they're on when they go back there and they've had to go back there a couple times and that's they don't know if the person that they're looking for is on C property St property so their hands are kind of tied and plus they can't go all the way back there in a car right uh to the question of the ATV you want to we're in process of doing that now so we looking at getting a John Deere off-road vehicle so hopefully um within the next uh couple months we'll have that absolutely and something that some of us have noticed that you kind of like get the cart before the horse they shouldn't have the sign and everything been done ahead of time and the property issues solved well we wouldn't order signs until we knew we had approval on an ordance so really you can't put the C before the horse of that the signs have been ordered uh as so of me knows I guess today were they finalizing the order we'll have the signs relatively shortly on that as far as the signs are for the rules the rules are still in effect just because the signs are not posted does not mean that the people do not who are going out there do not have to follow the rules you know all them right anywhere not yet we have we thoroughly reviewed the ordinance and we came up with the signs that would indicate um everything that they can't do it's not it's it's not as big as the ordinance obviously but um and they've been sent out for estimates right now three different languages English Spanish and Portuguese so um we're not advertising anything until the signs are here the permit parkings are issued and because someone stopped who lives on Orchard when I was outside yesterday and um he said when is it open I said we're not advertising anything on it until we have the signs up and the parking issues but actually the ordinance has passed now we've added some more things tonight after this passes um but you have to do the ordinance before you can do anything else and that may seem backwards and that's how government works unfortunately so you added other things what have you add well that's what this ordinance is tonight we added the things that weren't in there the last time okay so we have covered every issue that the neighbors have brought up to us okay that all of you brought up in addition to some it that we felt necessary um so I think you're going to be um satisfied with the signs at least I hope so because Carolyn and I worked really hard on making sure we covered all the issues and um the permit parking we're ordering no signs so those permits will be available through the police department we met with uh the chief and the lieutenant to go over those issues so it's is a work in Pro progress but I think you're going to find that it's a good solution to the problem and instead of saying it's open From Dawn till Dusk it's going to say close From Dusk to Dawn so it's we we want to and and our solicitor suggested that purposely to show hey this is you know and then all the the do Nots so um I I I I think you'll be satisfied I think what will happen is it will eliminate a lot of issues now of course Summer's almost over but it's good to get it started now so next year will be hopefully a quiet year okay my fingers crossed we've worked hard on it so I I hope it's to all of your advantage I hope so too and if I understand correctly over the last uh two three weeks since we last had our meeting there really has been no traffic out there whatsoever as far as as far as public I've driven up no one called the police oh did we we responded out but one of the the issues at times is either when the officers respond the persons who were called on were no longer there or there's no visual on them all the way in the back probably huh when we met I thought but but the thing about it too but they you know the issue though is um the property now is allowed to be accessed sorry people are allowed to go back there you guys are aware of that right yeah see the problem with that though again there's no signage up yet so they don't know that that's why you know those are up now myself Chief tier and Mr fenmore we went out last week did all the markouts for your signs that are going to be placed on Vine and Walter as well as Orchard for uh the variances for the parking um they have the order though you know but I mean thankfully we're at the end of the season but we still have some activity on the weekends um but again A lot of times it's just a matter of by the time the officers get there they're too far out and there's no visual war and without MV you can't go back yeah so another question the permit parking you get three for the residents and then you get three for visitors do you get them like all at once like three and three yeah when you just come to station they'll be they'll be given to you all this man yeah and if you need more I mean there if you have an a party or something and you need more they're they're available it's not a problem CU if they say for example right the permit parking is in effect right now for all the streets um along Delaware you've seen that if you live here in town um say someone's having a large party on average long as we know we're not going to make every vehicle have to have a permanent assignment cuz we assumed that the house is at 8:15 Del Avenue these are the vehicles that are there um but again yeah when you come get them they'll be given to you and if you need more just let us know take a right that's it I will add that the uh uh being a resident along Delaware that when we when the permit parking was instituted that really did knock down and virtually eliminate uh late night activity and noise and random uh vandalism that would occur at the street ends so it has been highly effective anyone else with comments jum on up K 105 Vine Street um yesterday was really the first day that there was wasn't any traffic there were some walkers but the weekend before the weekend before it's crazy you know police were coming they leave were calm they had decoys out there they were going with coolers they were there was a lot and I very upsetting too there was a family of probably about 10 that parked outside our house and they're loud and everything they've got little kids and I know there's nothing we can do about this but this one little kid going three or four years old gets out of his his me and smacks or knocks him over I wanted to go out and do something but I couldn't and I just I know that can happen anywhere I understand that but they don't you know they don't live there and we have to watch this abuse go on also you know it just it was very it was hard to watch so and then they got in the woods they brag these kids out in the 90° weather you know for God knows how many hours but I know nothing can be done about that I guess my my questions are so this hasn't only happen dur the summer I mean it will happen it happens you know unless it's frigid outside they're out there um so if we see someone that's parked illegally once the signs are up do we call yes ma'am and then exactly what you and another car comes We call we just I mean we just keep calling and yes we're here 24 hours a day so and are you going to have how are they going to access is there going to be a gate working lot too you want to answer that we got to make a hole in the gate or we're just going to leave it and dig out behind it so it's not really you know you're going to have to like we're trying to stop bikes from going out there or quads so you got to make it just a little bit that you can get through but we're going to see both ways if not we're going to cut another opening right beside the gate okay so it's not that we can see if you're on the street I guess my question is is someone going to open and close that no it's not going to be open no okay so it's going to just the way it is right now okay are you are do you mean ma'am are you asking if it's going to be a set like when we say it's closed from D Till Dawn will it still be accessible are you cuz it will be I mean if it is the way it is now the signs never did anything so you well no CU cuz it'll it'll be similar to have you been down to the West AV nature tra all right the West AV nature sure has a has a large fence that closes off the entryway to get inside by vehicles but on both sides of it they're walking past they're still there we don't close them it's closed from Dust Till Dawn but those walking pants are still there Hulk Island going to be the same way because it's now going to be open for walking hiking things that nature so we're not going to stop that access we want to make it small someone get a bikee back there but not a quad you know or a dirt bike but they'll still be able to access that you know Tech tell my boyfriend he couldn't be here you know the P guy that was here last time upset that he's not here he wanted to know about the containers um so are they going to be allowed to BR water bottles I mean how tight are you get with that because they can have a backpack and have containers in there they can walk in I mean two two weeks ago they every container imaginable and the Pooler and everything so is that going to be little specific on the sign like no no drinking containers and we have listed no person shall bring on the haulk island any glass of any kind including bottles jars containers or the like because glass is an issue out there apparently broken glass and glass beer bottles Corona to be specif you have on there no coolers oh yeah that's already on there we added we added this generators yeah there's so many so then if they if people do say Drive call or walk up and they go real far back with all this we call they're already back there's nothing you can do right they if they're driving up and you see them unloading a cool we do they they're back their F Grill they're not permitted it's going to be on the sign that they're not permitted so uh and we just have to see how it works but believe me the police are going to I don't know they told me when I met with them a week ago they hadn't received any call they get they fast they do but the two minutes they're gone well they're going hopefully they're going to have that ATV very soon and understand this too man' um same way we have stop signs that people blow through or one way sign when we encounter we're going to handle accordly so say hypothetically you call someone's going back there with a uh a grill or you know Co and we get there and they and and they see that it's on the side but they still go back there then they're going to be number one told to leave but also they're going to be given an ordinance violation and they'll be in court and that's how we handle that I mean because everybody's not going to follow the rule fine but you'll be handled accordingly if you don't like a week ago did see people come up with barbecue yeah so that that's how we'll handle it so that's on the list and they stop so that'll be for the enforcement perspective to it if they don't buy by the rules then they'll be handled courtly it'll be orance violation they'll be in court yeah obviously if someone's going back there with a bottle like this you know to drink while they're hiking we want that you know we don't want people getting dehydrated on the trail but if for the your point if they're going out there with a cooler with you know 10 of these and probably something stronger yeah that's the issue and I understand to your question for our backpacks we can't search their their bags um it's illegal um it's unconstitutional so we're not going to do that can't put the cooler we'll go with the back they're going back to the party it's possible the same way with West AV or anywhere else you know but if we encounter them and they're engaging in those things and they have those items on them then I I said we could handle the I guess okay so here's another question so they're not going to be parked on the street so they're coming at after hours right during the day and then from 6 the weekend the we the week we from 6 p.m. right so weekend 6:00 p.m. to Monday morning at 8:30 600 a.m. Monday morning right okay 600 p.m. Friday to 6:00 a.m. Monday 6 p.m. so they come out and they're being a little Ry which you know occasionally they are and they're not leaving they're call down and and mind you you don't always at the 911 if you want you can use the non-emergency number as well that's that's what we do and we have to explain for like 10 minutes and that's why I think you guys needed the call because it's like they don't know what we're talking about I don't know if it's going to a different dispatch it does yeah it does that's why yes we have to explain where's Hawk Island where and we have to get into all this and by time got the communication is through there gone understood or they way back okay so still the N emergency well you don't have to I'm just saying suggesting if you didn't want to use I want Call 911 I mean unless there's threat there i' rather use nonemergency okay but if you feel I mean from time wise we're still getting called we're still responding so yeah and you guys a lot happy with that you guys are around appreciate that but every time every time on the weekend you guys leave thinkle it's like ah and and and the truck being there is not so much um like a decoy it's just the fact that to know that we have a presence there and it work the first day and they started catching on the second because they don't know they don't but even though they still don't know if we're back there or not no one is I like that's with anything you know but they don't know the if the officer's on foot back in there too absolutely absolutely they'll take their chance right and that's what I'm saying so if they do and they want once this even when the signage is up and they still want to take their chance and take things back they're illegal then we'll deal them Court yeah but please continue to call please we don't want to discourage you guys from calling you see something call we're going to respond we're going to handle best we can yes ma'am and if we need to we'll let the people in central know exactly where clck island is if they're not and why repond like we have to explain like like we'll say there's trespassers you know and then we have like we get like 10 questions and it's like it it's it's not just Hawke Island I think even if I call dispatch about an issue on my property right across the creek from me it takes a while to explain who are you where are you located and and unfortunately time wise they have a a set of questions they're required to ask yeah as far as their protocol so they can't really deviate around it um unless it's more of an Inver situation so it depends at all if say all the signs are up and we see okay some people coming and they have a cooler they got this and that is it helpful when we take a picture for when you come is that would that be helpful for you at all or if they're back there and it doesn't hurt yeah I mean we should have been taken pictures can I mean enough not it gives us well think about it when someone calls we're asking for a description when you call out the non-emergency number they're going to ask what do they wear so we have an idea what they look like um so the same thing we have now a picture to the description you gave so yeah again I'll just be happy the car situation is going to be you know hopefully taken care of that's going to be and then next spring in the summer when we have this ATV for the police department you know where they schedule an officer to be out there riding around and checking on things yeah yeah we're hoping to have an officer do different areas of the town on weekends especially where there's some issues so hopefully all of this and it it's going to take a little time because I know the problems we had at West Avenue but we don't have those problems anymore so it it will it will work out I know it's difficult and um you know I I know so many of you that live there and I've heard from me many of you but I I really think that this is going to solve the issue at least you know yeah like I said yesterday was wonderful I mean we had two Walkers I don't know where they pared that's okay you know I mean not bothering anybody just walking back and it's like where's everybody that's great the weather was perfect yesterday for going out there first day it was and I was out there the Saturday before with Deputy Mayor Seuss we were out on the um what's it called the your little vehicle thing um Gator the gator thank you uh just mapping the trails and we were there from from probably 9:30 to maybe 11:30 12 not a soul out there the whole length of the island not one soul on a weekend yeah was it last Saturday last Saturday yeah not one Soul was out hiding maybe they were very scared of me I guess probably her but yeah but it it was I was pleasantly surprised we'll keep on working okay thank you you're welcome anyone else with comments or questions on ordinance 2024 d23 seeing none I'll close public comment sorry 22 22 I'll close 2024 d22 to the public any comments or questions from committee before we go for a motion uh Mr temp made a comment about holidays as far as the time is being open we have like Friday night Monday morning uh with permit parking whether that's the next one for yeah that's on 23 okay that's on 23 yeah yeah all right thank you so moved second goe got it Kate and Mike okay yeah that's for uh to adopt 202 2422 on second reading can I have a roll call please p m Patrick yes Mr olette yes Mr Templeton yes Mr bin yes okay motion passes long time coming all right uh next item is and that goes along with that 2024-25 amending chapter 295 d4.5 and 35 governing permit parking areas in the vicinity of Hawke Island second reading by title only and public hearing and we will open the hearing to the public for ordinance 2024 d203 seeing none we will close the hearing for 202 24-23 comments or questions from committee and I'll ask for a motion please so move second Fern and Kate this time to adopt 202 24-23 on second reading uh roll call please miss fif Patrick yes Mr olette yes Mr Templeton yes Mr Bartlett yes all right meeting is open to the public for comments and questions session one this is on anything and everything else besides those last ones uh have any comments or questions please approach the podium give your name and address for the record meetings open to the public seeing none we will close this uh portion of the meeting to the public there will be another one later on in the agenda we go to comments and reports from our professionals I'll start to my left with Mr Raymond Mr Mayor other than the items reported down during executive we don't have anything for you at this time short and sweet thank you thank you Steve uh Mr Fox thank you mayor update on various projects to the microphone here the 2024 Road programs the uh state aid and local program have the survey completed uh we're going to be starting on the designs of those roads um shortly the uh zbook sea wall uh is just the 24 program you want the timetable we talked because of pscg gas it's going to be a 2025 construction is that what the plan is that's correct yes we we'll get the designs all done um and we can discuss whether we we want to go after the big now not do construction till spring or we can D the bit in the spring but we'll get the designs done so we know exactly what we're dealing with uh before the end of the year uh the a brook wall uh is basically complete um I will be performing a punch list so if anybody sees anything out there irregularities um we will be addressing those but but feel free to let me know if you see something we can miss things so if you see something you can turn with certainly let me know next we can add that to the punch list look like they did the rest of the sidewalks today and they replaced those pads that were broken today out there as well got that was good to see yes so so how's the fencing coming along the fencing I'm working with the the contractor make sure that we get that we want um Scott Taylor bu a a catalog cut of EV fents as you know some time back uh the contractor gave a submission for a different supplier um the fence and I'm trying to make sure that it's it's suitable um and he did give us a price for what he submitted um but we may wa we're going to make some alterations to that it's so so everyone knows it's it's going to be a face mount fence because you don't want people being able to stand up on the ledge EV only 19 in high top of so if somebody stand up on the concrete they can just jump right over so to avoid that we're mounting the fence to the face of the concrete cap um which face the inside theide the inside face right so there won't be no ledge sticking out for you stand on so we will have the total uh height of 40 in uh by code um so that's how it's going to be actually we we tried to do it the other way but you you have to move it in so so far because of the strength of the concrete bolts going in it would leave too much of a ledge for people stand on so so it will be a face now good Harry are these 8ot sections 10t sections there six foot sections there's six foot sections so as part of the bid or doing this can we get one or two extra sections that Public Works can have so when there's Damage Done it looks like a fairly easy uh replacement type of piece that you know pop in and pop out we we can you can can include that in there uh it's got to store it but yeah see how happy he is find it 10 years later find it right that's the thing so that's that's sub cute but yes that can be done that can be part of the thank youe need any light bulbs let me know what's that John anybody needs light bulbs let me know clear this light bulb got room for the fence yeah he needs to get rid of them put the har between you and Scott Taylor and the and who's ever fabricating this fence can we get an actual what it's going to look like on top of the seaw wall cap uh my fear is cu Scott Taylor or yeah Scott's uh letter that he sent and this cut drawing show a 40in high railing and that's not what we're getting but I'd like that everyone us you the contractor uh who's ever going to install it who's ever going to make it we're all looking at the same thing we're all looking at the same piece of paper they don't want to buy a 40in high fence and then to cut it in half correct correct it has to be cut by the manufacturer not there's not going to be any field cutting allowed out there and yes I will we'll be catalog cut some to that that will be specific for our job so it'll show you exactly and I'll email that that yeah with a photo so we know we can see what it's going to look like I can give you like a sample photo okay yeah I yeah so we can visualize yeah yeah it will be a plan and and there are some sample photo give you an idea from this thank you um also so excuse me one of one of the things that was discussed is whether or not if the governing body is supportive of doing this whether we want to wait till next meeting to authorize it or whether it give some parameters so we can get it ordered sooner if possible because the sooner you authorize sooner it's ordered uh or whether we you want all get back together again before you prove it as long as the amount isn't over X number dollars the the 54 whatever that he proposed is much less than what was budgeted so there is room for more so I don't know is are you interested in giving Harry some leeway to move forward or you want to wait for the next meeting to make a formal decision to order it I think as long as we get that um drawing that Mike just mentioned visual I don't have any concerns should we give him an amount up to like 60,000 or something here what do you what do you suggest yeah the for the for the initial offence that he submitted it was basically $55,000 49 um it will be a little bit more expensive because this is going to be the the B Mount um it shouldn't be that much more so I would say not exceed 65 um that's okay with the budget um and what I would do what will happen is we'll do a change order so essentially what you're doing at this point you're giving me verbal authorization to do a change order up to $65,000 this and I won't issue the change order until everyone sees it plan and and gets you're okay got two weeks for our next meeting so then we should go up to 65,000 well then at the next meeting the theory is that let's say he can make his Arrangements in the next 3 or 4 days yeah rather than wait until the 26th at your meeting on the 26th we'll have a resolution that will have the exact number and the exact stuff what you want to do is if you want to if he can get it done sooner then uh every day is that much later that we get fence and we can open the Park yeah at least he would have the authority to go ahead and order it I I think we should uh do a motion to allow him to go up to $65,000 to get his fence ordered contingent on us getting and approving the drawing right yeah so we get whatever drawing stuff you get will circulate if someone has any significant problems obviously then we'll have to come back and talk but assuming that everyone's going to be satisfied that's the goal right if everyone satisfied then why wait till the 26th order right well how are you going to satisfied that he's going to send us the information once he has it information as in as in a visual and the exact am the drawings the sample photo and the sample photos were 40 in high rail yeah well that's the photo that Kate I is looking for is just a generic photo off a website kindy so you can see what the raing looks like right the actual drawings would be for our s um I have those along with contract's price and everyone's okay with that just let Richard know Richard yeah Richard will pass yeah yeah yeah so I would make a motion to permit Harry to order the fencing once we receive the visual actual contract cost up to $65,000 and we approve of the same yes yeah right everyone's on board if one person's unhappy with it then we action but well we'd have to let Richard know and just reply to Richard right I guess only to rich rich yeah only to Richard all right second that motion all in favor I I I good did that go all right what else we got um along with that we met with uh Scott Taylor on on the site as well um there's the Willow Street end is is too steep of a grade sidewalk in as the conceptional plan so we're going to work up some different options on on what to do with that um that'll be part of the park program um there's also so what we we were going to need to do is basically do an as built drawing of what was actually built uh with some grades and then Scott's going to tweak his conceptual match what's actually out there um so so we getting moving on that also um counil vus asked Scott to put that as a top priority I'm sorry knock that down from the top priority and put on Ash Street um conceptional plan 200 street because we can't get our funds from the state until do that conceptional plan so Scott's going to work on the a street conceptual plan as quick as possible get that knocked out and then get going Park and and the intent is to to same thing bid the park this year and do the construction in the springs yeah I I assume he just didn't realize it was that much of a rush at that point I I don't know um but he is now putting out on the top of business we just met with him a few weeks ago out there to show him so so how would he have known if we didn't go out there and had to look to see what we but he been hung up waiting for a plan for some time well we did meet with him so out out at 200 we met with them it was just just a couple weeks ago it was on a Sund but that's that's what we down site uh the Babe roof Park improvements um that got put on my priority list um so I I'll be getting that and having plans completed by the end of the month uh that'll include that's the the asphalt Trail that's going to go from the parking lot over to the baseball field a little spinoff to the skate park um and handicap space next to the B stand um along long with that we're going to be doing the trail at build the dreams it makes sense to do them both at the same time it's the same type of contract same type OFA the same Trail for the one out in front along the yes way parallel with the fek is that going connect with the the county park dra start the county park and work our way to bla um and I I'll be doing some estimat from that to see how far we go with the money that we have and I go uh the big priority is the B food field um we have funds for that that have to be used U so so we we'll be we'll be on that said we'll have by uh the field um field dreams lighting I assume most everyone knows that's complete um the project did a really good job on that did turn the lights on and reviewed it with sure some cats of people um and I understand it looks really good um they're happy with it um we have to we we submitt a payment for him to pay him full but we're holding retainage retainage is really for anything it could pop up and also for his restoration so until the grass is established we're going to hold that retainage rest Rel and cl out the project mus show lighting will also come out and do a a check a lighting check to check the putot candles and make sure they're within the parameters um the cdbg 2024 grant that is dat C ramps we discussed several times uh we are scheduled um to do the survey surve not done on that yet but are scheduled to do that and the same plan with that is to do the design this year want the bid in Spring we have a budget number for next year you don't have to probably in late November early December the ms4 stor order permit we we have completed the application for the ms4 and as well as the St Pro Vision prevention plan um that is required by the state we going to be meeting with John this week to review that make sure he's good with everything there's a couple more numbers that John's got to give us to add to that and that can be submitted hopefully by the end of the week um to the state so that that is all done the actual mapping which is separate from that um field work is all done I I saw a rough copy of the plan today that each some tweaking and I I missed a couple inlets and things like that we going have to go back and yet um that that'll be done by the end of this month we'll have that plan done and the state doesn't get a plan they just get data GIS data so that's separate but we are preparing a plan for the catchment public works so the lay person can look at it and see where inlets are where and hes and FES that that all be done by do you know what other communities everyone else kind of struggling with this yeah yeah we we we have a lot of T and everyone's in saood we're doing Ed Park Beverly amra um Miss sever them um and none of them are done yet um it's pretty involved process know it's they're all getting closed but Statewide this new per that the state rolled out really grabs a whole bunch of stuff that has to be done in a fairly short order yes that's the map is just one part of it there's several other things well the plan and and everything else it was just a whole truckload of stuff that it is never was it's just the way it is every time the state's not really pushing it hard they realize everybody's kind of they send out letters reminding reminding us saying hey you know we just got do that they're goinging the phone with them probably almost every day [Music] uh and that's all I have there all right anyone else have any comments or questions for Harry uh Township administrator Richard thank you uh the first thing is kind of as a followup on the bab Ruth field uh and they Grant I sent you out the information about the basketball court resurfacing uh that uh uh Steve Lennon of uh Taylor design sent out and got three quotes our uh qpa our qualified our purchasing agent Paula reviewed them the low was 439 from Nicholas construction who is the local person who does most of the work here that's under the quote limit and meets all the specifications and so if unless somebody has any questions I'd like a just a a not a resolution but a motion to authorize uh issuing a purchased order at Nicholas construction for 439 for the resurfacing of the basketball courts using the State Recreation Grant so move a second all in favor I I okay thank you everybody all right so we got that done thank you I oh yeah sorry uh the other thing that I have is that uh we have an audit exit conference scheduled for next Tuesday the 17th at 3:00 Robin ver will have the audit report and it's usually the staff people do it'll be Julia the new CFO and Kate and with Bev and Janice and I but if any of you are interested in sitting in and listening you're welcome to be here Tuesday the 17th at 3:00 um I will not be here tomorrow I have to an unexpected funeral obviously in New York so I'll be G the day tomorrow that's why I came in early to try to get caught up but I'll be back on Wednesday uh I also want to report that the public works subcommittee and and John working with uh Kenny and Bobby on the facilities management stuff has finalize the job description for the labor one or two that we're supposed to that we authorized to hire and we starting to advertise that and as we get the stuff in we'll be reporting back but we're finally moving on that piece it was in that lengthy plan it's exactly what I sent you but we're now formally advertised we've got a chance to get together uh and do that the three of them John and Bobby and Kenny are going to the next Rec meeting so that communication portion of that plan is uh uh making is doing very well the it will will really kick off we have the work order system that uh uh Aaron from uh on behalf of re and with uh uh you know the rest of the department Jessica and so on are using to make sure that Public Works knows what is needed by the various departments and so the communication is improving significantly and uh they're running their heads off uh getting it done which is why we do need the people so hopefully we're moving forward on that and that's all I have thank you all right thank you Richard uh department heads all right [Music] um okay so for the month of August we had total of nine can you hear me trying to holler too loud uh total of nine police cases with a total for the year 151 we had U 16 motor vehicle violations issue for a year in total of 450 with 52 motor vehicle stops for August with a total for the year of 960 we had 602 calls for service for a year in total of 7,255 um this Saturday we have our community event in conjunction with the rec department U from 5: to 7:00 we'll have uh food trucks uh we'll be a balanced house for children cornhole you have a canine Officer come out with his with his dog um then there'll be movie night following that also have some face painting so it should be be a nice event looking forward to that but than that so I have the report all right any have any questions or comments for lieutenant no the Lieutenant's doing the face painting absolutely been your job you're artistic right yeah right always a surpris yeah see that maybe next time we'll get the dunk the dunk tank and this he's bringing his dunk why me the dunk tank what's up with the dunk tank maybe in the summer a little warmer thank you lieutenant not a problem all right uh Mr fenmore well we finally got the soccer fields line after three days three guys uh it should be easier from here on out and I found out today that the two Fields inside the one field would like to have orange color so they can distinguish from the other field so now I got to find orange paint for that Home Depot AIS 12 what's that Home Depot a 12 not not for the spray yeah but the sprayer work really nice um good good the guy came back out came out two times and showed us and um we had like three guys doing it so uh we're going to keep training everybody so if somebody comes up you know they know how to operate it once we get the feel of it we'll be able to learn how to do other things with it uh we picked up 7 2 cubic yards of Chip brush uh we cut all the township properties four times um we put three new trash cans out at haulk Island we removed two more Fallen trees at West Avenue Trails um we replaced 11 Lids on recycling we go out at least once a month and send two guys out with lids and replace any of the lids that are broken they don't get water and you know so and stuff um we H the county helped us out with the wood chips which they usually do they took 32 T of D truck loads wow okay which is if we had to get rid of it I I wouldn't know what to do with it I mean we can mulch it but nobody's going to take that much mulch we're lucky that way I also had the other County the Public Works County they removed the tree that is probably fell down probably a year ago it's one on the jic trail route back and finally hadd to get him to come out it went over both of the trailers came off and it actually pushed the jvic trailer into the ground oh my God okay that's how big it was but uh John of sent two guys over one of their tree Crews and he did a very nice job of getting it off of both of the trailers which was I had a couple prices I had price 1,800 uh and 12200 so got that done um now my biggest obstacle is leaves and I know everybody has all these projects going on that is very difficult it takes at least 10 days when I start making all the leaves putting him in a pile so it's close to the screener so we can feed him through the screener then we got to haul them out wherever we call so that takes 10 days and usually I have Five Guys on that with everything going on the fields haulk Island and all I had to post done that and now it's getting closer to Lea season so somewhere along the line I have to get this done and this week is not going to get done um I got well Bobby's still out I don't know what's going on with him and Kenny has got personal with his mother he's going to be out three days so Larry's going to have his his wife's having an operation tomorrow but he'll be back next day so everything here is coming on here and and something's got to be put off so um be patient that's all I can say so Harry and Bryan will be working really really really hard what the next couple days is what you're saying yeah so it's U um the M screening machine that's what takes the longest it's because you're screening it not only do you have to take the good stuff out but you have trash and if you don't stay with the trash it's coming out it all piles up and goes under the machine so you have to have somebody taking care of that pushing the leaves feeding the leaves and it's it's a big process and I mean it's it's you know that takes about 3 or 4 days just to do that so hopefully we'll get it done got faith and then what what do you do with the leaves is that when you somebody comes some goes to the county and some goes to the farm that's what I thought okay did they come and pick them up do they pick them up or do we have to drive them okay yep we have to get rid of them it's about 8,000 cubic yards that's a lot that's three towns and I have three towns that help me each each guy whatever they can give me a dump truck or two that's how we do it once we get running we might have five to seven dump trums and that's the only way to do it you just once you start you got to get it going and get it done that's all I have right thank you John be safe cuz it's the first time the new guys are seeing the Le Leaf season right no this their second second mhm okay all right and and and also both of the young guys that we fired are going excellent job I should probably shouldn't say that but they are luck but they're they're they're very very conscious and that they do whatever you tell them to do and it's nice it's nice having some young blood that doesn't mind working you know what I mean I don't know maybe they're probably stand all kinds of things inside about me but that's the way it goes I don't know how how old Larry is but I can tell you he is one hell of a worker excuse my language he does a super job too lar Larry is don't count him out he is one hard worker he comes in he comes in 6 o' every morning opens all the gates if I'm using the loader he fills the loader up I mean checks the checks everything because he when he knows what going out yeah and it's once he gets going he goes yeah wish I had a qu the energy of those guys John uh for the environmental board i' like to thank you and your crew um two weeks ago Ryan uh we took a a field trip up to uh fieldsboro to pick up the concrete pads for the bench and Ken shedaker fashioned uh stainless steel brackets to mount it out there and it's on the connector Trail off the Newton's Landing Boulevard to the main Pennington Trail but um appreciate you hanging on to that bench for nearly a year well we have quite a few things that aren't really ours but they kind of hang around John's attic yeah he's going to have room that fence and and you know one one thing the the last week uh how could we forget it took us probably two days to take them damn benches out okay for the soccer place soccer benches we forgot to put them in put them back in but I don't know if we were going to put them in or not but now they don't have nothing to sit on and all the benches are sitting out there I don't know if we have to put a different bench in without a back on it because I think that's what was hitting the irrigation right and now it's going to be you know I don't know got a saw all cut the back off now you can't do that they got they need something to sit on so well yeah I don't know maybe coordinate with McHugh and Harry and they could take a look and see what the sprinkler guy Jim yeah Jimmy Rel yeah I don't know yeah tell the players to bring fold up chairs for now till we get that fixed don't don't don't put them on top of the new conduit for the electric that prise please no all right thank you John uh beev what do we got from the clerk's office um we have a couple upcoming events the yard sale uh town wde yard sale will be Saturday September 28th the last day to call in your address to be on the map is Friday the 20th I believe it is um the week after that we'll be having our shredding event uh here in the municipal parking lot from 8: to noon and community cleanup day over at public works from 7: to 3: and then looking a little further into October bov Community Day at the firehouse on Saturday the 12th from 11: to 3 all right don't forget we'll be doing the hogies up the firehouse before the townwide yard sale get them please I think the Boy Scouts are selling breakfast too right B they are yes yes famous pork roll egg and cheese yes love them all right thank you be uh consent agenda consent agenda items are considered to be routine and will be enacted in a single motion any item requiring discussion will be removed from the consent agenda all consent agenda items will be reflected in full in the minutes approval of business license yeah that's part of the consent agenda I did want to bring one of them up um I know if it's a question for Richard or Steve or Bev uh the business license for 951 Cooper town the the new Warehouse um and speaking with the fire inspector they have still yet to apply for any sort of fire inspection he's given them the applications and he's talked to them and they have yet to apply do we have to approve their license until or um or can we hold it until they apply uh Mr Raymond is that um it's not I'm not sure if that's anything that we can hold up 91 just trying to find we check with the department heads but I I don't know how that would work as far as the ones that are on the this particular one or do we just approve the license and if they don't have the fire it's not on the list yeah I don't see it on the list which I guess yeah we don't we don't normally because we're separate I I don't know the Chief Financial Officer didn't sign off on it either oh yeah so the Chief Financial Officer needs to sign but is that is is it she she did I'm sorry you might not have you might have an older cop requirement in the ordinance for the fire is is the does the ordinance have a prerequisite of of fire approval before the issuance of the business license I don't I don't see anywhere for them to sign on the form but is that just an error in the form should it be or does is there nothing in the ordinance about um whether the file Fire official needs to needs to sign first I would have to I'd have to look at that I don't I don't believe there is but I I don't know if there's nothing in the ordinance then I I I don't know that there's any any reason to to not move forward again except for the fact that you don't have fa by the Chief Financial Officer we able to pull it till next meeting we could yeah but Matt I mean wouldn't they wouldn't the fire come in under the co the fire inspector come in under the co because when we do when you have a CEO that's one of the most important issues is the fire inspector I think so the construction official signed off as far as the COO but they didn't they don't have any they never got any fire I'm not but I'm saying as part of the COO right they need to have a fire inspection so when you have a house you have to have a fire inspection so why wouldn't a business too why why wouldn't that be they can't open their business until they get a CEO right Richard well I I think we're talking about something related to the this is just the license this has nothing to do with operating yeah man what he didn't get was something related to the development not the an it's not an annual kind of thing here right this is just a lense looking at 205 d8 approval by the governing body all licenses shall be approved by the governing body uh blah blah blah and shall be guided in making its determination by examining compliance with the following standards so in chapter 110 zoning the building code the sanitary code the fire prevention code so this is an something that didn't apply as an annual thing right yeah for the annual business license at section 205 but what he hasn't applied for is something that's an annual they've got to get an annual inspection from business they haven't applied for their initial one but there is an annual after it's not just a one-time thing right I couldn't tell you on that I I don't I just know they haven't applied for their initial one I would hold it you know I can't make a determination that they have compliance with the fire prevention code they fail to apply for their fire prevention inspection I have those that's under 205 d8 right yeah I'm looking at that right now so I I think um well because because you don't have a signature from your your CFO anyway she did sign off just said she did sign off I just yeah I you do have in 2058 it does reference the fire prevention code um so I think you you you you could you could sit on it um or uh just table it until until the next next meeting to get confirmation on that it would also seem though that that I you know it should be you would think it would should be part of your your get the COO as well that to have that inspection so maybe maybe check with the construction code official um to see what they've done as far as the fire inspection and maybe there's been something because again he signed off on the application so maybe there has been some inspection done if we're not [Music] AOW all right so we'll pull license 2024 48 pending further information if they apply for the inspections before the next meeting consider it that right and U let make come across as well I'm unknowledgeable about this nature of business Logistics does that just mean a trucking outfit versus shipping receiving pulling stuff in now the detailed application shows there they're like a mid certain products come in and then go back out again that's what all these warehouses are that's that's all that is yep they have a particular type of business people that bring in on truckload of this then they break it down and resend it out they're like middlemen they're not they're not in I don't think they deliver your house but there's they're in between thing if I recollect from the application because we had to do that for we had do administrative review for zoning to make sure they met the zoning that the joint line board approved I think if I remember correctly they get shipments in from overseas and they distribute it out to local retailers yeah so they're just like a hub kind of yeah yeah a hub for particular type of product and they're using like a portion of the building they're not using the whole building so who's going to check with the the code enforcement official to see that um the uh fire inspection's done is that something you do Richard or be can check one of the questions is do we require I mean we do hundreds of these all the time so if we're supposed to have done that for all of them well I would think it's I don't I don't know that they do this one yeah I know that's something we need to check and it may have to be amended but that would mean the Fire official would go out there every year and then they that's a fee they charge a fee so well the Fire official goes out there every year anyway for for every property right so but I think I I would think it would have been part of the co but wasn't somebody needs to check to make sure and I did I did check with the fire inspector just prior to this meeting and he said he hasn't heard a PE from them since he gave them the forms that was mon ago okay you know especially on the initial application for their business license I'm not comfortable with question approving something in the warehouse the fire inspector hasn't seen yeah I know I know at our last Sewer Authority meeting at and we were waiting for them to be checked and it looks like um it was it was checked off okay so I guess be if you could talk to Mike and then depending on what Mike says call the applicant let him no we're not approving it till he returns the fire inspector's application and gets his fire inspection done we'll do thank you all right anything else on the consent agenda anyone needs a discussion on all right uh resolution 22412 3 resolution to cancel taxes and refund tax overpayment Duty to Total veteran exemption pursuant to njsa 54 4-33 a alpha resolution 2024-25 resolution authorizing and endorsing an application to the Burlington County cultural and Heritage Affairs BCC history grant program resolution 2024-25 resolution certifying leans against certain properties for costs incurred by the township in accordance with chapter 135 of the Township Code payment of bills current fund $852,500 payroll $194,700 Capital fund $74.25 and escrow trust fund $ 6,341 approval of business licenses 202 24-20 have a motion for approval of the consent agenda please so move second motion by Kate second by Mike uh to approve the consent agenda roll call please Miss Fitzpatrick yes Mr olette yes Mr Templeton y Mr Barlett yes correspondence we have one piece of Correspondence that was uh forwarded to each of you by email and it's in your packet um from a resident uh Tina rust who has asked that the Township committee uh increased the number of dogs that are allowed to be in one household she's interested she has one apparently and she's interested in adopting two more did see does anyone have any discussion on that at all yeah I have I have uh I know I know that there are um several resid in town I'm sure that have more than two dogs and two cats and um I think that you would find more people registering their animals if we allowed more and um I I think we should I mean it it's just it's the reality uh that people have them and I think in this particular case I thought that she was actually helping them adapt so they could be adopted I think she's trying to help these but anyway I think it should be increased only because what do you do you go to someone and say you know you're only allowed two dogs we we just found out you have three or four so you have to get rid of two now yeah I don't know it just sounds pick your two favored yeah yeah it just sounds in it's it's not Humane I I think we should increase um the ordinance and I would bet that you would have more people registering their animals um that's my opinion I think it's something we need to do we need to come up with the times because it it's what it's the reality and um I mean you could see it on Facebook when people have pictures in their home and they're talking about their animals I mean they they exist so let's let's uh let's accept it and and move the three to or maybe two to four okay so it says Riverside is four Delan No Limit I wouldn't want no limit right but Ed I looked when I saw this uh come through over the weekend I looked at U Edge waterer Park they excuse me allow six total whether it's a mixture mixture of Dos cat five TOS one CER vice versa anywhere the number CL it adds up to six I didn't what Beverly has cuz they don't have their ordinance online yeah I mean I think it's reasonable so maybe six is it but um I don't know could you do a mixture up to four I don't think four is enough you already allow for you're already allowing for two and two you can have two dogs and two cats so how you have it mix up to up to four I I I don't think it's enough I think we need to get with the times no I think I think we I think six would be better a mixture of six would be more reasonable um what what is the issue what happened yeah what M if you're not if nobody's complaining somebody has if somebody has three or four dogs and four cats and no one's complained about it why should we police just two and two I mean I don't understand that I I think we should increase it because there's no there's no issue right now um well that an absence of complaints doesn't mean that there's an issue uh every night I listen to a barking dog a block or two away uh it starts Hing and stuff every day I clean up a pile of dog in front of my yard uh from people that don't pick up um you aren't the only person that deals with that like I have a new neighbor that lives from me that has a little dog one dog the dog barks all day but it's you know it's it's you know there's it's it's another issue that comes up of people just flouting what the rules are and what you know what you have to do to follow the rules of the community um and you know how how you know we always see to bend on this and give you know we uh you know we have people operating or having uh you know illegal backyard chicken coops and we went through all that uh and they're legal now and they're legal now because I work very hard for that I know you worked hard for that but you know again they didn't come in the front door and you know seek permission before they did it they just went and did it well there was one and broke the law just one family there were three there were three so I mean it's you know it's it's whatever the committee whatever the community wants but it's just another thing you know where people just kind of do what they want and then you know they ask for okay we we're going to do this now um this one it seems like they're asking they're asking they're asking and I I think I think we should do something with it this brought up a good to me actually a a good thing to make a change in town because so many people have more than two dogs or two cats maybe some people have uh three dogs and one cat or you know but I mean families in town do have this and other towns have adapted to the increase of animals animals are a part of everyone's life now for heaven's sakes I mean uh and to have just one dog or two dogs or you know um I don't know I I think we should consider it I think it should be changed if if more research needs to be done about the other committees about the other townships that's already looked I did a horrendous job on the um for the backyard hens I mean it was a lot of trous or horrendous said horrendous I said it was a horrendous job it was a lot of work tremendous job well it was horrendous paperwork it was good no but it was a lot of work so I mean I think we should do it that's my opinion uh I think we ought to come in with the times I I don't have a dog in this race no pun intended um you just got the one boo boo he's enough I don't need more than him if anyone knows him so um but I I think you know since we just got this correspondence we all take a look and we Circle back put it under discussion for next meeting go from there see what you think the neighboring towns have how it would impact anyone that's just my thought on that okay the thing is is that this woman wants to try and help these animals out they're in uh dire need of attention right well we'd have to that would need a public hearing to change the ordinance anyway so be a bit I know it's going to yeah dog going be dead by the then I mean is there some way that we can make exeption for her to care for these in blue of our discussions and possible ordinance change is that permitted I'm not I mean you have an ordinance on the books right now so you have to by that you have to okay def to follow the law all right all right we were that was correspondents right yeah any other correspondents that it B NOP that is it all right you just notate that for the next agenda with it on their under uh discussion okay all right uh meeting is open to the public for any comments or questions this is session number two as before approach the podium and give your name and address for their record I see Ray is shaking his head no in the back nothing this time all right Carl you good nope all right going once twice sold uh meeting is now Clos to the public and and go to discussion items proposed ordinance for storm water regulation compliance item number one okay that is um I think that's what Carolyn submitted for um Tre this is what the Richard the state's requiring right for the ms4 yeah oh okay I thought we already disced discuss that with Harry this the the tree removal it's also part of it Harry's got to do his job and we got to do our job yeah the tree removal Carolyn had um Scott had suggested that we adopt the e um H Sports and um it's it's pretty good actually there was one on on our um desk tonight that's very similar to HS court it's almost work for were uh I just saw this one tonight but I did review the one from hesport and uh my question was do we need to prepare an ordinance and then forward it to shade tree or can we forward this to shade tree because apparently we've asked them to review it and I I don't think we've heard from them um but is that what we can do can we just send another you know a do doent to them to review and see if they agree with it then adopt an ordinance or should we adopt an ordinance first isn't this though for trees that are not Street trees so I'm not sure why shade tree would be reviewing this is for like that's what Caroline asked me if look to to actually do when she submitted this she wanted to adopt this ordinance but she wanted uh it to also be forwarded to shade tree for approval the um this is not this is this one that's in your agenda do you have that the ordinance uh that's was a supplement that was on the desk when we came out here tonight is the model ordinance that came from D that's part of the bundle of storm water ms4 permit requirements the hesport ordinance has some significant differences that do not match up with what the D model ordinance um contains did you point them out significant differences the significant differences are that the H the the D ordinance requires um a tree replacement if the diameter of the tree being removed exceeds six in the hesport ordinance moves that up to 12 in so it captures fewer trees the uh hesport ordinance adds some um other parameters as far as a a clear area around any uh additions uh decks swimming pools around residential property and I think it has a 15 ft radius uh around any kind of a uh additions on a residential structure that would exempt any trees that were removed from this ordinance uh the other thing that was Troublesome in both ordinances is under definitions uh a hazard tree is uh uh defined and a tree gets a hazard label if causing obvious damage to structures such as building foundations and sidewalks and that would apparently create some interesting issues um with this ordinance where a a tree that you know lifts a sidewalk or cracks it now that's a hazard tree now what do you do with it it's it kind of circumvents shade tree uh the tree sizes are inclusive of trees on private property all trees in town public and private and so that's uh in would potentially be a Troublesome um area to enforce or manage um it's my opinion it's wholly unenforceable we don't know we don't have an inventory of private trees exactly right nor are we going to take one my question to shade tree last uh last week week was is this something that uh a tree service when they come in to do a job are they going to ask for the homeowner to present here's my permit from the township that you can take down this tree um unknown Uh Kevin civilia the uh Municipal uh arborist Township arborist that works for Shay tree and works for the community um he's he's works for several several municipalities uh there's been a lot of questions about this uh there's actually a a a conference next month uh the New Jersey Shay Tre uh commissions and that's actually a topic of discussion at that conference U the email supplemental that uh copy was provided I posed some questions to the point of contact up at d uh the response is kind of interesting that uh they say well the model ordinance is not required but we do want to see it to see that it complies with our regulations but they don't tell us what regulations we're supposed to be complying with so are is this part of ms4 yes and do we have to have um an ordinance similar to their recommended ordinance if it even applies to our own property and not Township that's the stat requir so um so my question is does shade tree need to review this before we put it in ordinance form or do we so I don't think you need any any approval from from TR shade tree um when when you when you you know introduce your your ordinance it will have to go to um the land use board for master plan consistency review but I don't think you need anything formal from from shade Tre and just from from some experience in other municipalities I the the um the D again they have this model ordinance out there they are apparently allowing some you know townships to tailor it to you know specific circumstances of that particular Township so there is some uh some leeway it's not some of the the strict uh model ORD that that have to be adopted with with with some so that you do have some some leeway um but you know those those would be um policy driven Decisions by by by Council as far as you know specifics is as to what works for Delano yeah it said it's not it's not as a required model to adopt The Memo from DP so but they are they do want these but they do want one but this but we don't have to adopt that one necessarily but something so um so I guess we need to so we don't have to send it to shade tree that was what carollyn was concerned with did we shade tree was given this back in April and uh they were given it again a month or two ago and asked to provide input and so forth so um I can continue my conversation with the contact of D on this and try to tease out what regulations we're supposed to meet and what the boundaries are on uh on what we should or should not include and bring that back um to me the hazard tree label uh in the definition is to me is the most problematic that uh would seem to create the most trouble yeah I think that's the best part yeah me too I think that's the best part of the ordinance the sh commission won't protect our structures yes well and I think I think we need to protect and I think d uh is it in DS because I just got this I haven't had a chance to read yeah it's the flip side of the yeah first page it's I'm interested in the response sent to you m said we did not require the ordinances to be submitted to us and we are not approving the tree ordinances so whatever we come up with they're not going to approve I'm continue reading yeah the department is allowing town to sentence their ordinance to review and let yeah let them know if they comply with our regulations or not but if they're not approving the ordinances to begin with so we don't have to S ATT sounds like a lot of State double talk yeah did did I say that out loud Harry even said they're not requiring the C actual you got to check something off and say you have it yes we have it okay so you're going to lie or not you know I mean basically you can dumb it down as much as you want as long as it checks if you had an ordinance you got an ordinance it seems to me that uh what Harry has to submit is the most important thing these are I it's hard to believe that all the municipalities have dealt with these ordinances for example on the salt storage one we want to do our our um survey find out who has such a thing pass an ordinance to regulate something we know exists or doesn't exist is also prettyy stupid um so we're looking to do that stuff the the hope is that if at the end of the month end of the week hopefully Harry Smiths what they require from the technical side they'll keep writing us and writing everybody and say well what about those ordinances that we're working on right seems to be at the League conference in November this ought to be a big topic I mean it's it is they're both very intrusive kinds of things out of the blue well hesport ordinance was just off it this year so it's not like it's uh been on the books for a while so well they adopted it in response to in response to this correct the ms4 thing they decided to do so yeah they they made it very different than what the state's standards are well some they're requiring their zoning officer you got to get a permit from the zoning officer yeah for Everything You Touch on your own property to deal with your trees that's ridiculous maybe we could ask our neing towns what they've done or what they're planning on doing do a little more research all right and use both of these and but if anyone has a feeling as how you would want to do it you know get give some input I mean you can go 100 directions so how do we know which way to WR so I think someone should have control of their own property unfunded mandates from the state that keeps on getting larger and larger right more research yes um last item on here under discussion is proposed ordinances for cat Management Programs TNR and feral yes um I had uh two um samples that I had uh Janice and Bev attach because I was trying to contact the County I had the the one that's that's on the Das um is from the county I had this ordinance that they sent us back in 2020 Nicholas and Jimmy and um was asking the towns to consider it I tried to contact Nicholas Gan jimy I left the email telephone messages what have you and today when I called the Freeholder office again uh I was told oh Nicholas SC Jimmy no longer works here I said isn't that funny I've called for him but anyway so I was able to get their draft coordinance without draft written all over it um so to me the County's proposal is something that I would prefer to work from because it includes just about everything you can think of and then I'll I'll work through it Carolyn agreed to work with me on it and we'll go through and um tweak it somewhat but at least it's a document that's EAS work from the other two I just had they were the only two that I had without this draft written all over it um that I would rather have one nice document to work from where I don't have to retype everything like I did with the backyard hands so um I would like your input as to I have had several residents I'm surprised no one's here tonight I told them that it would be a discussion item um that are trying to have this implemented I think it would be nice if we work with a rescue a particular rescue um and to decrease the population of cats by trap neuter and return because then they cannot have more kittens even if they are bur and um most towns are adopting ordinances now having this program and I think it would work to our advantage and this is I guess in followup to last year when uh the county was here and S forget her name she had a unique name two of them yeah and an was also here I did I did email her and I yes and I emailed an too from that program um um I sent her these two ordinances and asked if she had a preference or something that they would recommend um but this the County's ordinance actually covers everything and I would go in and totally review it and see what we can or cannot Implement in Delo but since you just got it today the one from the county the other two you had I don't know you had a chance to even look through them um but I would like to move forward with this Carolyn did agree to work with me if um that's okay Richard do we need to set up a subcommittee or something on that up to Matt Matt if you want us to set up a subcommittee on that or we we'll just do it propose something to the township committee I have no you go through this uh I guess from a budget standpoint I was thinking the same thing because there is no monetary amount listed in here it um when Carolin and I discussed it we actually even talked to Janice that we maybe we could put a stien in our budget to pay for some type of cost for a rescue but there is no amount in here it's it's usually you know there's nothing in here that tells us we have to I mean to have the to take the cat to get this process oh yeah the PE there's there's a fee and everything involved and it's usually the caretaker who decides to take over a firm Colony they usually do it nonprofits what the nonprofits and right but as a consideration it may be a budget line item that we would want maybe for $5,000 to assist the I'm just throwing that out to assist the resue that we work with um in paying their expenses because we can't give a donation it would have to be for a specific cost so it wouldn't be something that we would do through our Animal Control I don't think so no think Animal Control Animal Control would only be involved if the cat happened to be sick or a or something like that um but Animal Control would not be doing the Trap neuter in return we don't call and if they do if they do pick up a cat that's ear tipped they have to return it to the location we don't we don't call them that for for cats at all it's just for the dogs dogs only for dogs or you know raccoons or something now if there was a cat that someone thought was sick and it needed to be checked on I mean I could be typ scenario but no just not just for yeah they don't and that's expensive so so it wouldn't it would be a charge to us if they picked up any cat actually that was sick and had to be euthanized Animal Control I think that's that's that's different right yeah that would be the only time because there was it's a public health issue got for bid of that cat scratch a bit of kid so that be a little different but we never not even for deceased ones our cars we handle that with public works so well it it is in there Richard because it's just what would be the normal occurrence wouldn't it be if somebody complains about a cat wouldn't they contact the police or the uh there's no there's no way to contain off no so we don't even with dogs for example we're not going to call ACO Animal Control if that dog is in contain depending on this situation it would only be if there's a if there's a sickness or something that'd be different but like this is normal call for service yeah um if we're able to contain that animal more often than not a dog is run at large someone calls and says I have a dog in my yard well ask hey can you contain the dog can you keep it for us if not if we're able to bring the doll back up to the station we have a kennel inside depending on the time frame now but as far as cats yeah okay so I mean it needs to be reviewed put a yeah put a fine too comb on it and make it something that we can live with what is I'm going to ask a dumb question what's an ear tipped cat I know what that means there ears it's a feral cat that has been vaccinated and that's what that means okay yeah that's what it means I had no idea okay so the idea is that to get as many of these cats off the street get them sterilized and then they can go back because they then they they can't have more kittens or reprodu or whatever it is and it is and they and they get a Raby shot so it is better for the community because the more cats that are generated kittens that aren't ear tipped and sterilized they just keep reproducing and so you know we have a few people in town that do sort of do this but they they sort of need some help I thought for a while uh that the shelter were providing cat traps and then if have them on their priver property and if they do have C to the tra they can then take them to the shelter is that I can check and see if that's still you know thing as well and there are a couple people that do that they do trap and cuz they they find out that there's a cat in a certain area and they do that and they take them to be sterilized and well no I mean for they if they can catch a cat and they'll take it to the shelter they can check and see if it's adoptable yeah and then they'll cuz that's where a lot of them come from and then if they aren't adoptable they euthanize them and that's what the C that's what this program is trying to eliminate euthanizing these cats because euthanizing a cat still doesn't stop the rest of the group from reproducing if you if you understand and if I will have uh the count I will have those ladies come back and do another pres do we have that much of an epidemic here in our town that it's that many well there's enough people out there that are concerned that we don't have this program but we do have a couple people that are working to do it when they can and when they have the money a long ordinance n page ordinance some be when I get consider it yeah well I I think if it's if you don't mind I Carol and I will put something together and submit it that's why I brought it up for um discussion I know Mike is against it yeah the other side of this is it's it's really it's really cruel to the cat um you know you're really a feral cat in the wild it's It's a cruel life and they you know uh they disease Vector they're not part of the natural environment um and it's just um you know it's just kind of unfortunate that things kind of get turned around like this um you know you you know you you spay the cat you give it vaccinated and then you send it back out in the wild again um that's not its natural habitat well and it's can I continue sure okay sure and you know it's out there with raccoons possums coyotes dog everything else uh and it's well documented you know they're killing birds uh kill other wildlife and it's just their disease Vector um it's just a cruel life for the cat that you're tossing out there the only person that feels good about it is the person that thinks they're doing the right thing um and it's just uh to me it's it's it's cruelty to animals actually it actually saves a lot lot of these cats because um by trapping them and taking them you'll find out that they really aren't feral I've actually saved two cats in my neighborhood uh that one was just left I I got her to a rescue she was pregnant I took her to the vet my own money here she was pregnant I got her to a rescue uh she had her kittens they were adopted out and she was adopted out the other cat uh I got made arrangements to have him um sterilized and I told the person who took care of it and I paid for it he is not a feral cat I would put him in my home but my cat could not have anything to do with another cat and I asked her please don't return him to just out in the public and he's he got a home so there's two and that's that's that's not what you're proposing no but what I'm saying is what happens when this process occurs they realize that it's not feral and they can I mean their gears were still the one the one didn't she was she was taken by the rescue but the but the male Buster I had to name them before they um he he has a home but he did get his ear ticked and uh uh because they took to be sterilized and then he was able to get a home so some of these cats are fortunate enough to find homes because let me tell you something there are people in Delano and every other town that leave their cats if they move they just I mean they don't usually leave a dog but they leave cats and um listen I have a cat because he moved in with me it wasn't my cat I would have never had a cat but he moved in with me lived around the corner that's how everybody ends up with their cats they just walk in he belonged to Eddie Graham Eddie was a police officer in Delano at one time and uh he moved in with me he's been with me 14 years so I I'm just saying that it is a better life for these cats rather than to constantly be reproducing and reproducing and reproducing to limit the number of cats is an advantage to the neighborhood that's my SP and I understand your position and we really do need to narrow this down this we all review and we'll put on for if you have any anything you want to add other than no way um let me know okay you can email me and and Carolyn as well so I like any kind of a um suggestions very good anyone else have anything else uh for discussion this evening not on the agenda I did have one item and I don't know if you're going to bring it up about the I don't know if philm knows about the the the lighting out at the Field of Dreams I was told there's going to be uh Friday night September 20th that um we're have an official ribbon cutting out there with Senator Singleton yeah they're having a game I forget is it Friday night 6:30 it's a Friday night it's a Friday I was told it was Friday night it's entirely possible the 20th so I just want to bring that up 645 here okay yeah Friday the 20th 6:45 yep ribbon cutting yeah 6:45 game that even flip the switch um we'll just serve light Refreshments please forward to any parties as you seem so I I never got this but she sent it to you huh I saw when they tested it man that thing that's amazing I just well I'm glad you got it cuz I mean I just know because she told me she sent it to rec oh okay and I didn't get it from recck I mean I'm I'm there area on but I didn't get it on the calendar but I do know about it so Fe February SE uh September the 20th got it yes September 20th please not in February all right yeah I don't think we have a need for another executive session that being said I will ask for a motion to get the heck out of here and a [Music] journ anyone so move Mike thumbs up did all right Kaden Michael in favor I I thank you very much see you on the 20 23rd for our next meeting I believe right yep 23rd same that place same that challenge you guys didn't say what you guys did last two weeks that's next meeting yourself