##VIDEO ID:l## Delo Township committee meeting of August 5th 2024 beginning at 7 p.m. at the Delo Township Municipal Building 770 coopertown Road Delano New [Music] Jersey mayor we're recording all right very good good evening welcome to the August 5th 2024 Township committee meeting held at 7:00 thereabouts at the municipal building 770 Cooper Town Road in Delano can I have a roll call please Janice Mrs Patrick here Mr alette here miss Seuss here Mr Templeton and Mr Bartlett here also present Mr Schwab our Township administrator Mr Fox our Township engineer Mr heinold our our Township solicitor Mrs lore our municipal clerk Mrs Russell our Deputy municipal clerk Mr fenmore the superintendent of Public Works and Mr T tiller the police chief please rise for the flag salute United [Music] States One Nation indivisible andice and the Sunshine statement please Janice please be advised that proper notice of this meeting has been given in compliance with the open public meetings act in the following manner written notice has been mailed to the Bron County Times and Courier Post and published in the January 4th 2024 editions written notice has been posted on the official bulton Board of the township of Delano at least 48 hours prior to the meeting this meeting of the Delena Township committee may be transmitted via live stream on YouTube video the streaming of the meeting is not intended to be relied upon as formal Public Access under the open public meetings act and if the technology is disrupted for any reason the township meeting will proceed in person as an official meeting in accord with the official notice thank you mayor thank you Janice uh we will start off tonight with ordinance 2024-25 of the code of the township of Delano governing streets and Roads at article three governing driveways second reading by title only and public hearing hearing is now open to the public for ordinance 2024-25 d18 we will close that uh hearing to the public and I'll ask for a motion to approve ordinance second motion by Miss Seuss second by Miss Fitzpatrick to adopt 202 24-18 roll call please Mrs Patrick yes Mr elette yes Miss Seuss yes Mr Templeton Mr Bartlett yes ordinance 2024-the at chapter 1 193 governing Hawk Island second reading by title only and public hearing uh for those here originally in 1978 the township committee decided to enact an ordinance that closed Hulk Island from 10 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. and it also prevented possession or consumption of alcoholic beverages at any time on Hulk Island reading through the M the meeting minutes of the township committee from 1979 there were notes that people were removing dirt from Hulk Island and trucks were tearing up the streets and a month later they determined that it was a construction company taking dirt out so month after that they decided just to close Hulk Island as the response to uh people taking dirt out of there so the response was simply Clos the island off to everybody at all times and then uh the Township Code governing Hulk Island was then adopted which is still here to this date that simply States the entrance ways to attractive ground located in the township of Delano known and designated as Hawk Island which is owned by the township of Delano is hereby closed to ACC closed to access to or from Hulk Island and the police department of the township of Delano is hereby directed to post appropriate signs on the property in question and to treat any persons using or attempting to use the ground as trespassing subject to the penalties as provided under the trespass laws under the state of New Jersey now not only is some of the existing code factually incorrect regardless of what is actually in the code Hulk Island has continued to be used illegally by the public the majority of which are simply wanted to take in its beauty of its natural preserved lands the goal of this updated ordinance is to thoroughly update the code in order to not have our residents be treated as criminals for simply taking a hike on the man-made Trails but also to be specifically clear on what is and is not acceptable as opposed to something generic such as no trespassing which has been the ordinance for the last 45 years and virtually ignored late last year the township committee passed an ordinance authorizing the placement of deed restrictions on haulk island on the township owned lands to place it on the Green Acres Rosy list that's the recreation and open space inventory in order to prevent its disposal or any development of these properties and it's our goal that these properties be preserved as it is truly one of the treasures here in town and I signed that deed earlier this year and it was recorded at the county so Fulk Island can and will never be developed and this ordinance here tonight is to make sure for our residents it's never destroyed by the people visiting it and we have already coordinated with our public works department on cleaning up the trash and the police are going to be patrolling out there so this is done for the residents so now we will open the hearing to the public for ordinance [Music] 2024-the approach the I'll go in order that I'm seeing hands raised or at least I'll try to if you have any comments or questions believe you were the first one up just come to the podium give your name and address for the record I'm sorry okay 35 Del Avenue I was pointing to he was up first 315 Avenue I Lane you're in that little section kind of you can't get it's not on I know you're talking my concern is two things if it's open to the public which is great I would like to go back to myself but where are people going to par who want to come you know who you know are not walking business okay um you know where they going to park end up all you know coming back FR of my house and you know parking there um and also um how's this going to be enforced as far as um ATVs and stuff like I rode dirt bikes when I was a kid too I don't have a problem with people doing dur day but they're out there at like 2 3:00 in the morning and and you know wake me up and stuff like that and I know that the um gentleman from works department back back they'll you know destroy the area where they used to get up within hours they're back up there again so that's my question thank you and I'll leave the question as far as the um enforcement to Chief tiller but as far as the parking we're not doing anything as far as allowing people to come in there everything is remaining status quo we're the people are going back there right now the people are parking where they're parking we're not we're not creating more for them to do they're already going back there we're not opening this up as a park we're just we're trying to police what's going on now but I mean what I'm saying what I'm here like with what you just said though it's been closed and everybody pretty much knows if it's Clos correct now during certain hours is it 3 to day it 10: a.m. to 6 p.m. or something like it's going to be open and the word's going to get out it's going to be like hey you know let's let's go back there you know what I mean I always wanted in the back there and see what's going on so I think it's inevitable you're to attract the people you know what I mean that's why my concern is are they just going to park up down Bine Street a lot of those people don't have garages you know they have to park on the street and that's going to create a problem and I'm just thinking that I'm I already see some people coming you know you know but like you said because it's Clos you know a man comes and walks this go truck all the time is that going to end up being more and people are just going to look and you know that's what I want to know yeah let the chief go to I agree um that's going to be a up battle we're going to deal with I agree with you I think once it is use Mic excuse me use the microphone so I I agree I think it's going to be a problem that we're going to be dealing with uh because it is a public they are public streets people are allowed to Park on public streets there's going to be congestion if if the word gets out it it does start getting used you know more heavily know you know when you talk about techniques for combating the the enforcement part uh we're looking into purchasing an ATV uh I'm also looking into now uh you getting up with the times and looking into the purchase of a drone I'm just in infancy stages of of trying to get uh you know some prices on approved equipment that we also be able to have us because obviously you know the island we can't get back to all the locations there uh so we're going to have to start thinking outside the box to really combat these problems if if they do you know show their face okay well I just wanted to that's there's there's a my concern because we we live right there i' live there for a long time and I I like thrown custom to the nice quiet peace yeah thank most of the the gestation of this this ordinance is really to give law enforcement some teeth and some clarity on the status of the various Parcels out there uh the township the township has about 50% of the land out there uh there's a large State parcel there's two other Parcels that uh Mr Bartlett has done basically a a detailed title search that there's some ambiguity there and underlying all that land uh the state has an underlying tide lands claim to probably 7 need 80% of what's dry land out there so but really this is this was an incremental step to try to get some clarity for law enforcement just to try to get a handle on some of the behavior out there that's uh truly destructive and despoiling uh a treasure to this region so that's where we are right now we're not putting up a sign that it's going to be a park or advertised um and uh it's really to to give law enforcement uh uh some maneuvering room give your name and address for the record Vincent gami I'll spell that that's G is in George i r o l a n i 105 Vine Street to Lano New Jersey uh I have written statement as addressing the ordinance 2024-the chapter 197 governing b island sub chapter 197 uh as we had in Article 1 97-1 to purpose it seems the countship committee by this ordinance wishes to deregulate haul Island area and access there to most if not all of the activities and conduct described in subsection 97-4730 and I'm sorry just I don't mean to interrupt just uh for clarification sake and it was corrected in the updated uh ordinance it's actually section 193 but 193 in in the uh in the paper that I have received it was list it was yeah okay yeah that was corrected so everyone's following the same thing I just wanted to pull that you continue please all right 193 D2 diversity of ownership uh what if any progress has been made on this topic we know who owns what properties what portions uh and is the township ready un able to acquire any of the properties described as being listed as diverse title issues the the long and short of it is somewhat the we the township owns the majority of the Land There is a lot toward the center of the island it kind of makes a weird l-shape uh that is owned by a want to quote a conglomerate of individuals residing in Florida who are pretty much absentee owners is that a good way to describe it uh Jan definitely absentee there's no activity out there but um the township has acquired several of the Lots over the years um through either a tax sale or um other mechanisms right uh the the New Jersey d owns the lot surrounding the lake out there or or who owns any of the Lots um questioning this because in multiple conversations with you know Township police officers that had called because of the trespassing of individuals and groups going back into Hawke Island many times I was told that they don't know who owns what property they don't know where Township lines are where private property lines are where state lines are so they can't they can't cite any of these people for trespassing or any other violations because they don't know what property they're trespassing on so do we know now I do have a map that I was given by uh Mr Templeton I believe it was uh that has you know it has numerous thoughts on it indicating different portions of land I'd like this back you that's a that's a we have it that's a that's from the that's a tax map that's an aial of the tax map so if if on this map some of the property lines are known why is it that the Township Police cannot site trespassers for trespassing violations [Music] Mr getting back to the point I think the issue that police and you can jump in is there's been a lack of ability to um identify precisely what activity can be enforced and the intent of this ordinance is to make it very very clear as to what's permitted not permitted and to give the police the authority they need when activities that we don't want to see happen out there uh happen that they can enforce against those activities so I think it's a step in the right direction certainly the tend of the committee is to take a step in the right direction and I agree the 20 plus years I've been here it was always a gray area the code this code will give us you know Define what is and isn't allowed regarding the markings I can tell you obviously we're going to be working together to make sure there is some way of knowing where we're at the officers are at because that has been this year they can be out there and not know this is private property this is Township property this is State Property by you know by by this map there appears to be a large section of H Island that is Township though oh yeah so you know maybe you know maybe as much and over the years there have been people cited for violations not recently that I well because we were waiting on this to to code to come into that okay and 193-nm activities it's in nighttime hours you know Hulk Island shall be closed from DUS until dawn if if the island is going to be closed from dusp until dawn is the gate going to remain closed at night if so who's going to unlock and open the gate in the morning and who's going to close the gate in the evening at at D time and we we've been talking about that the gate that's there now the vehicle gate that will not be open Vehicles will not be able to go in there with the exception of when public works or Emergency Services needs to go out there we're talking about the weight sorry the gate will not be open no the vehicle gate will not be open we're talking about putting a man gate in there or clearing a way for an individual to walk in there but the vehicle gate will not be open to the public so people will just continue to go around the gate as they either around the gate or we'll put a man gate within the vehicle gate or a way where they could safely get into there if if the people right now like you said they're going around the gate up the hill over the river through the woods that's not safe people are trespassing back there as it is we don't want our residents to be treated as criminals simply for walking through Hawke Island to walk their door that that the way our ordinance is right now off Chief T's officers could go out there there just for someone walking their dog or taking a hike they're a criminal according to our ordinance that's not what we want I yes I I do see know individuals walking their dogs back there uh it's you know a lot of this doesn't bring into question you know people that are walking their dogs and leaving you know they're walking their dogs they're in there for a half an hour or whatever GRE period of time and and they leave you know this is this is a question of people on the weekends that are coming as I will state later coming with out ofate tags Pennsylvania tags Maryland tags Virginia tags Connecticut tags New York tags I live on Bine Street I see this all the time weekends are a a huge problem where we'll have as many as 20 to 50 people parking on you know parking on Bine Street and other local streets walking through with you you know everybody's carrying the cooler carrying fishing holes carrying their children and strollers and you know bringing food and everything back there and just basically leaving a a huge mess uh which I address in in just in just a couple paragraphs down here uh I have seen as as I'm reading I I and others have on many occasions witness groups of trespassers leaving Hulk Island at 10 11 and 12:00 at night so it's not the people who occasionally come down and walk their walk their dogs it's the people who come in and Par and stay you know till all hours of the evening and if I could just respond to that and there there's the issue and that's where this will hopefully clarify a lot because you can't treat one person one way and another the other so up until now up until now so the person walking the dog should be getting cited just like the person you know uh being guilty of one of these acts okay that you know if it has to be then that you know it has to be but we also we try to treat our residents well and we understand people walking in the dog are quite different than people out there riding ATVs doing doing uh you know acting in a way that is uh just you know a disorderly in a sense so if you treat one thing you got to treat we're trying to be consistent with with the enforcement this is going to make our job easier I can I can understand that but also I don't see people walking their dogs at 10:00 at night and coming out you know 10 11:00 at night after you after they've taken their dog in you know the dog walking happens during the daytime and a lot of things happen in the daytime and regarding the coolers um regarding the coolers a lot of times you see the manner but they go into an area that we can't even enforce along the beach I I will stay on through this area just a few days ago so I'm just reasonably more familiar with the obstacles of getting a vehicle or even walking down there it was it was pretty and and uh at times difficult walk and I understand that you know I'm there on weekday we're calling we're calling Township police on the weekend because there are multiple people down there so now instead of there being no one down here there's you know there's 20 or 30 or more people which is a safety hazard to to law enforcement so I understand this but you know what I'm addressing is that in in my view opening this area up is not going to solve any these problems it's just going to exacerbate all problems I I mean I agree that there's going to be more people uh but I also believe that this is going to give us uh substance that we can act more on that would be one of the things that I would hope would come out of it so if I can [Music] continue please so here are some of the examples of things that I've seen on a recent walkth through with Township residents we you found numerous violations of your articles a through S these violations are multiple piles of trash most if not all with empty alcohol containers mostly empty beer and liquor bottles and cans bags full of trash it's unbelievable the amount of trash okay loose trash strewing strewing about the beach area and Trail areas this this was shocking and disgraceful to observe we noted several obvious fire pits food containers abandoned barbecue grills and cooking Islands even in one area it camps a collapsed tent with obvious long-term encampment items and all in clear violation of sub of section s pack in pack out leave no Trace behind so what are the penalties that are set forth in you know 1 through 14 of the Delano Township Code you know once we see that there are people who are not observing the rules and not packing out what theyve dring in what is the penalty to to give to these people for having you know having committed these infractions I I don't know what the court imposement are financially or anything yet uh I refer to the solicitor explain the process what the issue that you be cited ordinance violation which uh it could be it depends on how the court rules it it could either be paid through the fines Bureau or they would have to come to court um I don't know what the what maximum fine for each offense is 2,000 that's per state law okay so this this would be handled kind of like a someone's kind of like a traffic ticket where you know you're you're given a traffic ticket and date to appear work corre fine correct and hopefully aead uh continuing uh the vehicles that arrive in the area are from as I mentioned earlier Pennsylvania Maryland New York and others people illegally using Fon Ireland currently do not follow the rules and the walls now and they will will not follow them in the future amending this Township Code will in my opinion only increase the use and bad behavior forementioned in the statement all of this greatly interferes with the expectation of quiet enjoyment personal safety and the safety of our families specifically and the safety of the community at large as related to the ownership rights of resid presal proper thank you thank you sir if we do nothing this continues these issues continue so we have to start somewhere and we have to have a starting point so we can have enforcement to stop these issues if we don't do this ordinance it's just going to continue to be the same issues so we have to start somewhere in order to police this so yes it is a continuance of the issue but is is this is is this the right means and if we find out that in that relatively shortly that all we have done is just increase the number of people who are actes F violent and the and the amount of trash left and the amount of violations and the other and everything else that going on if it just not only just continues and we're able to do something but if it explodes to a to a level that that is more than unacceptable as it is now how how do we address this do we do we continue to just call you know Township police again and again and again and again and again and and the time that they're going to spend driving back to try and enforce it and have people who are obviously consuming amounts of alcohol and obviously opening open fires and obviously other infractions what do we do how do we address it how quickly can we turn this around to the point where it's it's either completely done with or down to a such a minimum that it's almost not posable it takes a month to get an ordinance pass so a month if we were to close if we if we found that we weren't uh a this wasn't working we could easily pass another ordinance to close the park and at that point anyone who walks out here who walks out there they'll get cited for trespassing by the police department including yourself who you just admitted you were out there this week while it's illegally closed that that that's and I'm not saying telling them to do that to you just to be clear um saying anyone who's walking out there will get cited okay any that's that's one of the things that I wanted to hear anybody and everybody that is back there if I have you know I have 15 people every one of those 15 people gets gets a citation for for the trespassing event that they are currently do and then next week they get S cited again and next week so hopefully hopefully get people get excited will cause the negative to say hey you know what maybe we shouldn't go out to HW hour and Delano because we're getting a $2,000 fine and I think the ordinance says are up to 90 days in jail time so you would hope that people would have some common sense yes and I know what they're saying is I know I'm I'm putting too much faith in people yep somewhere in the 1890s Mark Twain made a statement the least common thing around these parts seems to be common sense so it's been true for a 100 years and more it's going to be true for another 100 years and more anyway thank you I I do appreciate your comments my statement thank you very much thank you thank you hello hello just name and address for the res new YK 100 W per Avenue right across the street from lovely hul been deal with this prep for 35 years you probably know me I call so much I do yeah um he covered a lot of what I I was going to talk about um like the trash rep he was saying and um I don't think John and his gu should be responsible for cleaning that up I mean that's not great you know uh you know take it in bring it up that's not going to happen um someone that I know went up there to um check out to see what was going on because there were so many voters going on to the little beach out there not at the point there was tons of people out there he came across a woman taking number two right in the walkway right right in the walkway and then they had a pile to the to the left that's full of dirty diapers it's disgusting why should he have to clean that up um and then another thing nobody's addressed the the lake up there I mean who's going to be responsible when someone drowns unfortunately drowning unfortunately the lake that is owned by the state of New Jersey that's not owned by the township that's not owned by any of the private individuals yeah that's not going to stop people from trying to sue you you know that that's not going to stop them right now either yeah but anyway that's just another problem and like like he was saying the people that come from from out of state and I had some somebody parked in front of my house and had a beer bottle on their roof right in front of my house I said oh that looks real good you know and so I I called this was this was a few years ago and then um when the cops came and they didn't do anything it was when Eddie was was Chief um that's a ago and um when they when they went away he threatened me and the guy threatened me you know I'll be back um but that doesn't scare me because when I get my fire up you know go ahead and come back um but um and then a couple years ago um some people came off the island real late at night and they were changing their clothes in the middle of the street you know getting naked changing into dry clothes and then the next day when Anthony went outside there's old drug paraphernalia in in the middle of the street needles and stuff and that's what goes on up there it's horrible the answer is get these guys some qu right we're working we're working and the uh the committee's doing a good job working with so they can and you know what as far as the walking and the hiking and the running and the biking what the heck's Pennington park for you know and I don't care if something like that goes up there the fishermen have you been down there and seen all their crack L laying there all their empty bait containers their lines and their their Hooks and they're hanging you know and I've been woken up so many times the dirt bikers and all you think they're going to say they go up there now they don't care trespass it I asked that to have a Spanish sign so they can't say oh no speaking to English well you know what they they can read it they go right by it and I don't know how I haven't the people who can read English go right by it as well so I don't think the language we you could put French German and Russian up there they'll still ignore it I mean I would that doesn't bother me but this trash and the the dirt bikes and you know the toilet stuff and the the the loud music oh my God it sounds like it's right in my my family room I I live right there right at the dirt road you know and um all this stuff is a joke to me it's a joke I mean I can understand you're trying to do something good it's not working people are ignorant we haven't done anything yet we haven't got to work we haven't operated under these rules yet one you know but if the answer to do nothing is the answer to do nothing like I understand all your concerns but what do we do do you guys have a better option for us this is the only option we have he said you open it up you think that's not to get it's closed now it's closed now it's not working for you you open it up it's 10 but at least the police can then have the authority to do something right now they don't because they don't [Music] easy one at a time please to change one at a time this evening we can't we have to be in order to this but why can't you change it to where it helps us you know how would you like to have a bunch of people parked around your house and coming off the island you don't know what time of night they're coming off Park yes sir please you everybody will have their chance we're going to do this in a civil manner this is this is how we we get we get so riled up and I understand that but we're going to respect ourselves act in a good manner in here and each take our turn we're all adults in this room thank you but um yeah so that's you know that's my thing I'm concerned about the leag I'm concerned there's nobody going to be up there telling them not to go in the league I'm scared to death I little on going the ground you know and like that gentleman said and then I'll be done is um it was like three summers ago and then was a place make a present uh it seems to calm down you know when they actually go up there and and it it seems to calm down for a while but the one like three summers ago I had a call the cops and I watched when the policeman went up there I watched I can't them 50 people 50 and most of them were from Pennsylvania you know join a pool you know and swimming in that filthy water for wonder they don't blow at night but um yeah these guys they have it rough you know and I I completely agree John and his guys shouldn't have to go out there and clean people's crap out they also shouldn't have to uh clean people's crap off Burlington Avenue and coopertown Road and everywhere else that we do not just Hulk island people are literat people are ignorant 100% yeah they are two years ago we were out uh we had the town cleanup day Miss Holland sitting in the back there she ran that with the I guess environmental Advisory Board and we were out there for I guess 3 4 hours the amount of trash that we brought just from a couple block radius around um the Hickory Street bowfield I mean we were in the let's just say we were in the train station area the amount of stuff we pulled from within the tracks alone people are ignorant yeah John shouldn't have to clean that up people should throw their own stuff away but unfortunately in a modern society we have to do that you're paying taxes you expect the town be clean I I and as much as we have a million other things for John to do storm clean up and everything else yeah his guys have to do trash pickup as well I'm saying keep the keep the signs up no trespassing and if the Walkers and hikers want to go up there don't you know don't then we have to enforce it on everybody but yeah I appreciate your comments okay thank you you thank you Jennifer I just I would just like to make a comment as well because I know I've received complaints through the years and Jennifer is a dear friend of mine from way back when so um I think what we are trying to accomplish and maybe the residents aren't seeing that is that this will give our police the right to go up there and keep people off of there after Dawn dust I mean so right now they don't have that because this ordinance that's on on the books is just it's not even legal so between it was it was done before I was born so between our attorney and our police were're trying to be able to enforce rules up there to have people leave at a decent time to have them take their trash out whether or not that's going to happen we don't know but we do have a fellow who is patrolling out there we've put some trash cans out there now John has been out there I know but we I get pictures from what's going on out there on a weekly basis and it's disgusting it is disgusting but this may help us stop it because the police right now according to the ordinance we have they don't really have the authority we're giving them the authority to go up there we're going to purchase the vehicle that they need to go up there and I would think that when it's dark and it's hear something call the police let them know so that they can start patrolling and people the word will get out and I really think that if Delano starts to patrol after dusk that these people will realize this is not their party area anymore yeah and and I I think that's that's the intent that's the intent of this ordinance the intent is not to have it flooded by Outsiders it's actually to try and enforce what we want to go on up there so that at a certain time they're out and if they're disobeying it at least the officers have the teeth that they need to to summons them to give them time when somebody Wasing around this is years ago and I went up there just if you could just go by the microphone just only only so Bev doesn't freak out when she does the minutes ago yeah and uh somebody was up there on a a quad and they just making all kinds of Racket and it went on and on and on and on I like 1:00 1:30 in the morning I called for the Poli and you know I know that's not a priority they're busy doing other stuff so it took them a little while to get there so I walked up to the I walked up to the the top of that where the gate is I walked up to the top it was more open that and I picked up a big rock and um I'm standing there with this with my rock and the police officer uh finally comes he says man man what are you doing I said I want to Chuck this rocket this guy when he rides F he's like no no don't do that we'll take care but that's how you get you know any I'm done thank you very much thank you thank you Jennifer Chief not to put not to put you on the spot do you get how many calls would you say on average do you get it varies each year but summertime always increases obviously um but it's steady and over the years like I said it's always been that gray area it's always been difficult for us because we've never had the real uh rights to know you know right the zones and also the enforcement abilities thank you Chief thank you your name 101 Street Don m o r r i my predecessors have pretty much covered everything the suggestion I have don't let a cooler go back there cuz there's alcohol going back there constantly I you they'll carry a whole case back under their arm some of the people that go back there are are very trashy obviously and I don't know if they have the wrong upbringing because I walked out my back door one day and here is the gentleman standing in the right way taking a Wi on the be not cool about 30 ft away from me you know a lot of people that go back there don't follow rules even Common Sense rules how are you going to enforce the rules then they're not even going to understand what the rules are most of them I mean I I know we're we're run we're going to run you guys right Honest that's all right that's what we're here for um you know there's going to be signage that we're talking about as well as we're going to take a really proactive approach you know once this is in code um you know my officers will be detailed out there um you know and they're going to be told you know Zero Tolerance policy on the enforcement of of a lot of these or these regulations um because without us actually using the power to enforce it and citing them obviously nothing's going to change okay thank you thank you but we're going to need your help too I mean you see someone pulling up and getting the case get we're getting the the case of Corona out of the back of the car call the police consider yourself Deputy where else are they going 105 Vine Street 105 you got her name give name one more time fora street so if you decide to open this up not for vehicles but just for walk-ins and and a lot of people come and I know streets are public property anyone can park but then we have to deal with just car after car after car after car blocking our driveways blocking the fire hydrant and people just parting all up and down our street which is what we've been dealing with I think that's going to become even a bigger problem when you decide because they're not coming by walking they're coming by cars and they're taking up you know everyone's Street which I understand understand they're entitled to do that but we have driveways we have fire hidings yeah they're not entitled to block your driveways they're not entitled to block fire hydrant we're nervous sometimes when we see them we're in our backyard they're out front we have to watch and make sure they're not hitting our car because they're out there with their coolers they got their you know their pickup trucks and and the back down they're sitting there we have to watch and we don't want to say anything because we don't want retribution so it's you know it's a little scary as far as parking in front of driveways blocking driveways blocking hydrants if someone is doing that call you call the non- emergency number 4611 1515 or 911 it's easier to remember we called and they'll go out there and they'll site them we actually had a police officer come out and saw a car just to within like 15 minutes so we're looking for that gu exactly you know and so you don't know you know what they agendas are you know I mean some of them be very nice people but some of them just they don't care about your property and that's my biggest concern yeah I have concerns what they're doing back there but what they're doing on our streets also and that's and once the word gets out this is not where you want to trespass you don't want to go on Hulk Island and do these things that are outlined as illegal you're that problem's going to go away that's the that's the hope and also now and we can't do anything about them now you know you can always call anonymously too you don't have to get you don't have to give your name when you call that number we've been here three years but if you're worried about any or anything they have a peach tree and they come up and take the you know peaches all the trees you know and you know it's big deal to us you know um my neighbor we were sitting there one day and this one guy comes outside to sit under her tree cuz it was hot she had up can you please get off my property we had to deal with this all the time and one respect or another I've been saying this too much lately you can't fix stupid if I'm afraid with what you supposed to do now we're going to have a bigger problem and calling the police constantly because these people are on our streets and they're you know weing C thank you thank [Music] you pleas of my house mark it yes should be y oh the curve you're talking about John got that and uh which one was your house I'm sorry 10 what's address what was your address the fire the fire 101 Vine 101 Walter Avenue I just had two questions since you're planning to control more is the plan to increase the police force to be able to accommodate that extra patrolling we've actually been increasing the police force we have another member in the academy uh just swarm in last week today he started the academy swarm in last week yeah and is the only entrance to Hawke Island going to be at the gates of one you know in Divine stre correct so they're not going to be allowed to access next to my property on 101 wall I like to be able to go up that hill and cut through my wall yeah the only access is the one at the end of Vin Street with the gate is cor Curr thank you know Maran if they access s your property you should put a sign up private property because there are trespasses very well doesn't it Mr I mean it's worth it I mean because there are trespass basically trespassing now yeah I've had another Resident who lives and they go they walk right through her property and even the hunters walk right through her property with their guns and um so I mean even if they see the sign and if you see them call call the police but but I would put a put a sign up because that's one more deterrent and if they just stick their nose up to it then feel free to call the police and say they're entering through my property and post Post-it signage is easier to um handle in court y um it's next St SC Carn and Matt said something that thank you I first ask you I'm sure you'll be one answer a little closer you said that this ordinance came out to be able to enforce better so why can't you do what's in this ordinance but still keep well iOS Doug Mr H well I don't think I mean unless I misunderstand what the overall issue is the issue isn't just about trying to correct the negative activity out there but it's also about trying to understand that we have residents who are accessing that property in a positive way and doing no harm and that is my second question that I was going to code for what use men so if you're concerned about the residence being addressed for trespass why not create a beach tag or a tag that you would give to the residents so you can distinguish between who has a beat I said who has a tag and you know that there are residents and then that don't have tag you do have for parking down in the do river you know I can't I'm not allowed to park downar after hours but people that do a lot so if you're concerned about a resident being arrested for or summoned for trespass right then why don't we give residents the option of going up getting a tith and you say make it residents only is what resid only you have the ability to DET ter yeah I don't think that I mean it's an option it's aable option I don't can you do that since it's on the Rossi no we need yeah no I mean we we don't have the ability to exclude nonresidents uh under that scenario there's no there's no beach tag type mechanism that I'm aware of even Beach tag have off of n is that because ofi or that bir because you do have parking permits I'm a resident but I still can't park down near the river and inv I know someone or I I wasum I could get a permit a parking permit on the ladder there I don't necessarily agree with that either but that was done before I was on committee so and then if if that's not an option how about the people that are concerned about parking get them a uh a parking permit that no one else is going to have but I'm afraid when that happens we'll just keep moving down know street but you have a couple options that I hav heard T whether they're notable yeah I mean this is not an easy issue as indicated by the comments and I think it's something that the community there is a benefit to positive Public Access and I think that's part of what the committee is recognizing good people who go back and just take a walk see things that we might not see otherwise um we've seen that in other parts of the town where there is Public Access we want that public access to not be punishable um but this is an ordinance to try to take a first step and it doesn't mean that it has to be the last step that we take on this so I think there's a openness and a malleability to try and say look let's try and do something here to address the problems nobody wants Hulk Island to be filled with trash nobody wants people to be woken up in the middle of the night because of partyers out there um we're trying to give the police an Avenue to do that and I think if we find out that where there are secondary issues that come from this passage of ordinance we're going to be back here again trying to get it right um but it's not it's not an easy issue thank I to add on to what the Mr heinold said I think we we had good success uh up at the West Avenue Parks uh the dunes that was kind of a wild west area a lot of litter uh trail bikes ATV and a lot of destruction of the uh the landscape up there and we opened that up we kept that as a natural area and I think people just having regular traffic through there uh same rules apply uh dawn to dusk and you know yeah still going to have you know the people that uh don't don't read the signs don't don't abide by the the the being a good citizen but uh it's not it's not worth it to shut out a beautiful area to the rest of the community for the bad behavior of a few so hopefully this as I said it gives it gives our law enforcement some clarity and we can address the area um it's it's it's like a stop sign you know a cop flag somebody for running a stop sign it slows traffic down people stop some people get run up for riding the trail bike back there or uh having a picnic and not cleaning up or taking a case of beer back there they get rung up get a citation the word will get out and we were not going to put up with that crap that's our intent yeah so I'll finger 10 um so of course with my neighbors everything that they have said I wholeheartedly agree sometimes we come out they're parked so close to our driveways that we really have to new get out so they may not be right in front of it but they're right at that Tippy Edge and I swear they know it so they're changing your children's diapers probably taking a swimmy diaper off and putting a regular camper or diaper on before put them in the park and just leaving your dirty diapers out there in the street yes left for us to clean up we're not going to leave it out there arual are is really nice and clean we all take pride in it and my only other issue is there's a homeless couple living back there so will something be done to assist that couple to help maybe get them off the island they've been back there for a while at least the summer so far they trash pick they take you know cushions back there broken C couches whatever we know they're living back there and they're not the only ones that have been back there in the past there's been other couples or people living back there but right now it is a young couple okay that that I'm glad you brought that up because I haven't heard this and over the years obviously yes we've dealt with that hope that something done Tobe help them not just give them a ticket or something they need some help yeah but at least we're aware of it we can make contact with them and you know give me a call or email me and I get more specifics from you off you know when we're out out of here yeah our police force is always really good about helping people and giving them the resources that they need the Community Resources and the Outreach they're always really good with that so I'm sure they just want to kick them off and without any help so yeah it's the first time hearing about that none of us knew about that let us not the only there's been in the we' Liv there tell you how people have lived back there they end up passing away to say but it happen Okay thank you m else sir hello my name is m I'm so tired of picking uper PS I put a can app by my shed where I go in I do a little little work since I'm retired and uh my trash can's always filled with their trash so who house should I I'm tired of it I really am I've been here 20 years now and I've seen it progressively get worse and worse and worse I've had a couple things that I had laying outside by my shed disappeared on a weekend the weekend is the biggest problem I want people to go back there but our biggest thing is parking enforcement which you guys do a great job your hand but you're you know if you want to pass the ordinance to give him tee you got to inforce it and like I said the trash is unbelievable everybody in or everybody that lives near that 's got to pick up their trash and and like all my neighbors said they go in there with coolers and barbecue grills and beach chair and come out empty-handed where's all that stuff it's all laying back there and as one neighbor said they changed their dirty diapers right there on the street trop put on the street to keep going who's going to pick it up not our great Township people the neighbors got to pick it up and we're really tired of so I hope is you're listening thank you thank you Mr s Miss Holland Christine Holland 319 Del R first time speaking this side 319 Delaware Avenue Christin Holland um I just wanted to thank you guys for your work on this I live right there and from the day that I moved into this town the fact that I haven't been able to use Hawk Island legally um has been crazy to me that we do have this gem here that I see H Island and West uh westa and can't use this and it's been a shame and the times that I have knowingly trespassed back there and encountered people with loose dogs I'm breaking the law too so there was nothing I could say I don't have a leg to stand on right so I think that's the Doug said it best when you have positive people back there positive people noticing that someone walked in with a six-pack and walked out empty-handed you know that's on us now as the residents who can legally go back there and be part of the self- policing and hold people don't be worried about being called to Karen just do your part and make sure you know we've had uh litter cleanups at West AV where there's virtually no litter now it didn't used to be that way so I think that overall the net gain from having access to the park it's going to outlay I know I'm spoiled in that little cue act I live in that parking is probably not going to affect me not like it will on Walter and and Vine I'm sorry for what you guys are very likely going to be encountering but I think a lot of the traffic through there once we get a handle on you know policing and making sure this isn't party central anymore it's going to be the local residence I mean I for one I walk hundreds of miles through this town every week I mean that's going to be my route now and I go in with a trash a trash bag and I'll come back out with a full trash bag until it's not a problem anymore so I don't know I thank you for all the hard work on this this was something that I would have loved to accomplish accomplish uh during my time but I'm so glad that you guys did this and kind have access on un app HS so we should accomplish guys I hope thank you Christine thank you Mr dancer Rob dancer 1063 Street uh Christine just stole my thunder because that's almost exactly what I was going to say I've been considered coming up these meetings several times to ask why we don't have access to all so it's great that we're actually working towards that that's fantastic I walk all around town myself and I would love to walk back to all car but when the police years ago put out that threat to B people I like I'm not going back there but um I hope there can be some kind of solution with all the people that you know do leave the trash that's not good but it is public property I've been amazed that we had been out back there yet I have no idea why nobody's ever heard on that so I just want to say thank you for addressing it thank you thank you ra anyone else once Mr Stinger will the police officers be able to issue for oh yeah open yes 100% yep can you allow to Checkers not we need search warrant for certain things but if we have them with the open alcohol if we get there and it's open it is no no [Music] alcohol if it says no Co in here let's take a look real quick no ites it doesn't say no coolers but it does say no alcohol drugs we can absolutely amend the ordinance to include no M burer you have a commento Karen hi my name is 130 cook Jersey and if anybody's impacted by this it's us um we one weekend deal with um un local parking and on parking lots where they uh we'll have one jet Gap going in with 30 cars and 50 people this weekend and kicked out um they parked and they're like no no no we have a friend that paid for the jet ski but we're walking now and they go their Sterns ready they bought a portable generator and taking crockpots out so we seen that I get impacted because they use my dumpster I'd rather them use my dumpster than ding out there but the D WR side of the dumpster dirty bapers beer bottles cloes um we they put up a sign we put up a gate that's locked cut um we we're adding in Spanish because the majority of the people we encounter um do not speak English or plan they not speak English so if any signs need be put up there go English and Spanish and Portuguese yes um the other thing I had was under 197.4 with prohibited activity how it says the um visitors shall not use the property with Bo new kayak launch prohibit swimming from dou River Street how are we going to be how you going to enforce that if they're in the water Township doesn't know property out how's that and that's where the majority of people are coming they're coming from Lyon Avenue too um I had pictures of I jet ski we'll drive by now there's massive tents out there on Saturdays and Sundays um five or six pets at a time and they're coming from avue in Pennsylvania so when we reach five lot of Pennsyvania attacks along with so I don't know how you're going to reinforce them drinking and party but they are coming on property but you're standing in the water I don't know how far down from the Moon tide you can go and reinforce it that's major issue we've been dealing with for years yes presid of because they lot of them take jet skis from over over the boat ramp in pen Philadelphia come over go on the beach uh we've been in you know we worked with the state police and and uh you know it's that's a that's a really tough area for us CU we can't do anything yeah so that's the majority what's going on back there so I don't how that going to and then there was the other thing about the I was going interest like parking passes why can't the residents Michael Walter and mes get a parking pass a weekend parking pass in front of their homes to deter uh weekend problem with parking I think that's something the committee can definitely look into um yeah we did that we did do that on the side streets uh for Delaware Avenue since there's no parking on Delaware for uh the people that live on Delaware if they're having a a party or something where they have more people visiting and they need parking we do have we issue permits for them can we get them like a summertime permit something we could it'll be something we can look into people par there get yeah permit parking definitely something looked at yeah you know say permit parking only Friday at 5:00 till Sunday or Monday at 7 or something we we we may be able to do that I don't know is we have a handful yeah we may be able to do that like private part you know and and issue that permit par paring yeah this is this ordinance is definitely a great starting point we wanted to get on the books as soon as possible so we could at least Co it part of the summer yeah I I know it has sure since the day I got committee this was something that I wanted to address I've lived here for 11 years now and I you know like Christine said always wanted to wonder why we didn't have access definitely we're going to take all of your you know comments into consideration if there's things we can perfect and add like the coolers with the parking passes it's an ongoing conversation this isn't a one and done we have a subcommittee to address this so it's going to we're going to continue the talks and if we can improve it we will are we we we do but as you're aware the burington the burington station respons I'm responsible for the bag Pang it impacts it com my so it go into the water and I was part of the clean up where we went from having a trailer trash to dance can bringing out dumpsters that's how B got yeah and they P you're walking step on they fire on I know a lot of these you know parks and Open Spaces in the area have these friends of Hawke Island organizations where it's residents that you know come together and do the cleanups and they do monitoring and stuff so maybe that's something the residents would want to look into forming some kind of are there going to be trash out there there are trash cans now at four different points yeah John put them out over I guess the last month or so once a week one can out of four was full so where's the rest no the others had a little bit in and one had full yeah they just put four out there last week probably stuff we used to do cleanups out there there are some of the ladies here with qy citizens Ed to save Hulk Island and uh we did one usually around Halloween uh after the summer and uh we had a bunch of kids come out the Boy Scouts the Girl Scouts the town would come out and it was very successful so that could be something that we could start up again just another group uh I know Recreation Phil didn't you Recreation do a cleanup like six or seven years ago yeah normally we do it once a year we yeah we didn't do it last year and I believe we're going to be doing it this year yeah maybe a couple times a year especially in the summer something Recreation can consider again yeah and we would obviously let the town residents know if they want to come out of course to get the community involved I mean nobody wants to clean up anybody else's trash but it takes a village right yep thank you for your comments M burger and uh for anyone who don't know the burgers they do a great job running Hulk Allen Marina they do a lot for the township um we have all Recreations concerts out there which hopefully everyone goes to I think there's another one this Thursday night Phil yes sorry they said just say yes th wedn and they allow us to to use that and um our fire department has our boat docked out there and they when we had the emergency Squad they allowed the emergency Squad to have their boat out there so thank you to John and Karen burger for all they do for the community with owning Hulk Island any more one more com the people that came off and say how great it is they're the kind of people we would love to have out there it's excuse me the ri rat that comes down there that's you know what we're really getting upset about we hear that loud I'm sure we would even like to walk but the other people we hear that loud and clear from that and if you think about the perit parking that would be a big help because we would have have state people coming because they can't park you had people walking that live in town have back there that's think we think we could definitely do that come right on up there only because they record this this piece of property have to be open now uh knowing all these problems think everybody's having back here has the command taken this into consideration I think that's what we've been discussing for the last hour on why we're doing this in order to fix all these issues I'm sorry I've only back two years two and a half years and knowing the individuals who I have have met living back here uh this has been going on quite a while it's been open it's been closed am I right last time it was opened was in 1978 open it again and we're having problems with um it being closed not and that's why we're trying to put laws on the books as we have you consider maybe putting a parking lot in the in the facility we've considered a lot of things there a lot of lot of things were consider I would like to see this table um I meet again more about what's going on maybe solve some of these problems thank thank you y just come on up avue I no Kate I heard you say that there was a sub commmittee a committee and then a sub committee is anybody any of the residents like from oral area or an area on the committee that could help bring ideas or bring stuff fact to the rest of the group like we didn't even know this was going on until um mret was kind enough to you know let us know that there's a meeting coming up well I I would fully encourage residents Who start attending these meetings and I'm not saying thatly committee meetings yeah our regular Township committee meetings we've been discussing Hulk Island for the better part of the last year or so and and and like the couple that's Liv in along the island now they don't have social media as far as I know they don't have any kind of social media so how would you you kind of reach out to them would it just be trial and error if you catch them back there then you'll speak to them well not now it's brought to our attention you know I'll let the Patrol Division know and obviously you know like I said forward me any information and we can have a better chance of making contact with them it sounds like the residents knew there are people out there but no one has let any of us know so there's know how do we know what to do like we just like Running Blind Here We Talk Amongst first El but that's it yeah you have yeah you have to you you actually either have to call the police or contact one of us uh but but you know as everyone has said here and Rob and uh and Christine have uh have also added that this is this is our start to correct the problem and I know you think it's not because it says closed but by opening it we can have rules and regulations to control it but until we do that our ordinance that's on the books just stops US and the police the police cannot police it the way it is right now but with these rules and regulations we will be able to control them and if we can do the parking permit on the weekends that would help and if we can amend the uh ordinance down the road to stop um uh we may be able to do that as well so and so if as you come up with different ideas or different thoughts or things happen please keep an open let us know don't hesitate I mean I know most of you uh that have spoke tonight and uh and I my phone is always open my email whatever and the police so we we do want to correct the issues and this is the beginning and it doesn't seem like that but believe me it really is the beginning it's not like we're against it we just want to make sure that it's done correctly and if we're protected yes our homes our areas are protected that's what we're concerned about I understand that de so the Township Code it's a living and breathing document you know the town was enacted we're coming up in our our Centennial in two years 1926 now the Township Code has been amended changed numerous times for very ious reasons throughout the last 100 years and when we see something that need to change like the last time this section was looked at was almost 46 years ago I'm come up hear from residents who've been out there who have been seeing these sort of things right and we're trying to we're trying to address these issues that have been festering for the last 45 years you know since has been closed it hasn't helped it's been getting worse Mr Stinger you had another or k knows I've been a Bo I was a Bo for about 30 years yeah I I ran my boat up on the beach out there and had a good old time but if police call the state police and they go out there and police that beach on might put an end to something we we've over the years we have definitely been in communication with State Police out of at Burlington Barracks they have a large area to cover and well they I would have skied out in that River for 30 years and I said they do not work for they do not work for me and we can we can we can ask for the assistance it's been done yeah it's been done myself that's done going to get a lot more action and and that's been done and we've we've and the same with the lake too the Lake's not owned by us it's owned by the state why can't we call the State Police and have them we have two two years ago I think it was two three years don't quote me on the years but we had we worked with them on a detail because we were having such a large problem come coming from Philadelphia with people actually having a service where they were charging people money in Philadelphia to come over to Hulk Island so I mean we have worked with them it's it's not that we haven't it's just you know it's a problem and we have to get a hold of it and be proactive with it I'll show you how that my point was that you know your Authority was a lot stronger than sure sure we have a relationship we have a relationship with them and but it's at the same time in the summertime obviously it's busy everywhere for them as well and so I we will continue to make those call all the best out there thank you do you have anything to add since SP to the residents and you have anything I appreciate folks coming out and sharing uh your life experience is there yes V and another thing come on [Music] up it it seems to me that this is pretty much already something that you're going to vote positive for if this if this is passed and rules are enacted how long does the township plan to continue on this course before there's a realization or some incident that says you know what we thought this was going to work we hoped it was going to work but the evidence has proven that it just didn't work and we we went in the wrong way we need to do something else how much time would you give this experiment to come to that conclusion where we have to do something [Music] else I don't know if any of us is prepared to say how long I hate I hate to use the old saying Rome wasn't built a day yeah I I mean we don't know what's going to happen and and again this is a malleable situation this governing body is trying to take action to address known issues the hope is that we're going to find success right that's the Hope right we don't know everything that may flow from this and we've heard some good ideas about adding a banded coolers my recommendation is to move forward and to revisit the ordinance with an amendment to ban coolers um to look at the parking issue so we're going to keep looking at these things but you know you got to try and do some things and see how it works it the the realm of possibility out there is endless so that's why I say if we were in court I'd objected the form of the question I don't know what what's going to happen What and how long it's going to take but all you got to do is pick up the phone if you're having issues and say we're having issues or come back to a meeting we're we're still experiencing problems or we're experiencing new problems or change problems that's what you know we're trying to solve the problem not create one well it it it almost seems like the district attorney in San Francisco who said that we're not going to prosecute anybody as long as you shop less than $950 I don't know how it seems like that sir I don't know how it seems like that let's give it a try and see and your comments need to continue to come to the township committee or to the police so that we do know what's going on out there if we're not there and and once the rules are once it's in place and the rules are posted then we can enforce it then Adam and his uh Department can enforce these laws right now we can't enforce it that's what we're trying to do to be able to enforce it I hope you get sick of me call because I am going to call I have I've called multiple multiple times and continue doing so thank while no I am telling you to continue to call try to have the permit thing in order before you open this up because that would make a big difference yes well by opening this up by by this ordinance they're not going to be able to be back there past dusk we have on our streets okay so if we had permit paring at least we know it's just our neighbors something I think we could easily get what we're doing is we could remember what we did on Delaware Avenue put an ordinance in effect within what 30 days yeah we can because at least then we the cars that are from out of state won be there and if they are what happens we call you and you come tell them because they'll be out there for hours they'll be issued the summons yeah and then they won't come how long that 30 days yeah just just a couple blocks from our house down on Cedar Avenue they you know there there's resident parking only from Ducks till one but do has an ordinance that's similar to what we're asking yeah it's permit parking right right at the foot of Delware Avenue you're talking about yeah it's and and that was to address late night problems along the riverfront there street so um we could have Doug start that process but we don't want to hold this up for that we want to at least this isn't this is going to be a month before it's totally opened uh anyway so if we can start that and maybe next meeting yeah we have to order sign yeah uh anyway we're going to we're going to do something we're going to help your parking issue so just um it's not just the parking it just you know like I said property and make yourselves at home and pick peaches over yeah really all right we've heard all this yep all right thank you very much did you have a you're good okay all right seeing that we will were you providing qu page it's not a park it's not a park it's not a park just come if you have a question come on up all right thank you everyone for your comments we will close this public hearing for ordinance 202 24-19 the uh comments from the committee I'll start to my far left okay H well I'll tell you you know I've lived in Delano most of my life and I know most of the people here and I've heard your complaints I talked to many of you sitting right in that section and um I really truly believe that this ordinance will help us to enforce the issues that you have to deal with if we don't do this we're not we cannot enforce what you're asking us to do that's why we've decided to do this and it will benefit you we will work on the parking and we can probably have that done Doug can look into that and we should be able to have that done within 30 days with the working with uh with the chief and and his department so I am in favor of it to see how we can enforce the issues and to hope that we just move forward for a better place for Delano to enjoy ha a I would love to be able to walk back there [Music] myself we'll keep you advised well I would suggest that you maybe leave your name and number we have we have the list we have we have the list for uh the residents and we also have a social media post that we can just well Township has follow the Delano Township page we'll post something there and you can sign up for our email blast we have a website everything is posted on WE bombard the information out there it's out there yeah we a list you send emails out for Delano Township Delano township.com and there's a sign up link right on there you get all of our emails get all our email everything if the trash truck is laid or there's tree pickup this week or whatever it is Mayor mayor okay mayor yes Jan yes we have on our website okay Delan township.com there's a tab for ordinances public hearing that you can go on you can you know you don't have to physically come to the building they're they they have to be posted on the Bulls board out there but you can we post them on the Lan of Township web site we don't email blast ordinances but on the website once that ordinance is introduced uh which means it's just it's introduced by title and the public hearing just like tonight's public hearing is set and the whole body of the ordinance is on the website under ordinances public hearing tab okay so you would know way in advance before the public hearing you know and have access to that ordinance what she said Mike any anything going around the room oh um I've been in town 24 years and um I think since shortly after I moved into town I heard about Hulk Island and a lot of people have spent a lot of time uh over the years over the decades uh realizing knowing what a great area that is and what it could be and trying to prevent bad things from happening to it um people couple sitting over there L vender and mo Dan Martin uh Debbie redson uh Joan hankle Kate's been involved in that for a long time um part of the murkiness of solving Hulk island is as what's come out in bits and pieces here it's under several different owners several different questionable owners and uh that's kind of made it difficult and uh this this ordinance tonight uh it's kind of been mischaracterized as we're opening it um if you want to call it we're opening it to the people that follow the rules uh but really we're taking the handcuffs off our law enforcement and defining the things and where they can they can uh uh do what they're supposed to do or what they can do so uh I like this it's been a long time coming it's not the end of it it's uh it's a a step and one of many steps over the last several decades that a lot of people have had a hand in so um this is their success too M the ordinance that's being presented as I mentioned to many of you is gives the police teeth to be able to enforce the laws and uh having it open to the public mainly hopefully most of the residents in town will take advantage of Hawke Island and start uh walking out there and doing the good things of litter cleanup and enjoying uh the island uh if we don't do anything and we just continue what we're doing the issues never go away you know it's like the I guess the definition of insanity where we just keep doing the same thing and by putting in the ordinance that is being presented again uh with our police department and we're relying on them and the residents as they walk out there and see things pick up the phone and call uh most of you know where I live come knock on the door uh K Fitzpatrick again we live in the neighborhood okay and we're concerned about what goes on over there you know we heard about the gunshots at night and the four-wheelers and uh the dirt bikes and the Miss carrying on uh I hadn't been at to Hawke Island probably about a year and a half and this past week walking out there uh the tra on the point where the folks party you know they have boats and Jet Skis and the amount of trash uh I think it was vodka bottles at the one uh trail that uh we walked down to go down to the beach there were four four or five bottles of empty vodka uh the one Trail we were going to come back up the hill there was so much trash uh trash bags that were there we had turn around and go back to go a different route to get back up uh but having people who care about or natural resource out there will help get that cleaned up and I can make a commitment uh because I'm on committee for at least two more years that you know at the end of the two years that if doesn't work then we you know I would come back to the committee here and say it's not working you know we haven't been able to make an impact a positive impact that it's time to just close up the island and you know not allow anyone back there but to me that you know we won't have to go down that road uh We've increased our Police Department we have more police officers and uh initially I I think in uh beginning of May and June if we have a a good police presence out there to discourage the folks and you know that are doing bad things out there that they're going to go find someplace else to go uh you it was mentioned about Amo Island and West daav and how those parks that are open to the public uh have cleaned up uh Miss Holland mentioned about the cleanup days you know uh the last time we did a clean out there that I was part of I had a trash bag I picked up two pieces of trash you know at West and you know so that was a good thing where before you know you pick up three or four trash bags full of stuff so good things can happen out of this and we just have to think positive the parking that c uh parking permit that came out of the discussion this evening that was mentioned uh by the residents here is a great idea and move on that you know uh that should help the parking situation out front of your homes will it eliminate the litter it'll probably curtail it somewhat you know can't guarantee nobody's going to go over and pick up pick a peach off your tree but uh you know positive things are going to happen and when we make the change to you know to the ordinances I'll share the ordinance you know I'm not opposed to making copies and for the folks that AB but or their properties AB but to uh walk violent to share that with you uh you the subcommittee that uh you're welcome uh the subcommittee for uh Hawke Island uh and the rules and regulations you uh next time they go to meet there's someone from uh the neighborhood that wants to be part of that you know let us know can be included you folks are a close-knit two blocks of residents and you know each other and you care about each other that you know uh maybe you have a spokesperson that says you know we can bring this forward or again come here to the township meetings and don't hesitate to to share so I'm in favor of moving forward with this thank you sir I kind of said my piece and I Echo what everyone else has said up here I I think it's a good starting point where we need to be as far as getting the police back there and trying to curtail these issues we all know the issues are there and they're not going to stop until we do something um we understand there's additional concerns and we're going to be addressing them it's an ongoing process I appreciate everybody's comment and um Mr vlot thank you for your work on this I know you did a lot of research is figuring out who owns what um and trying to get this all together so we appreciate that as well thank you Caroline I I don't want to Bel labor at the point I Echo what my fellow committee people have set up here um we can't just sit on our hands and do nothing we have to try to rain this in from from 1979 to now the last 45 years I I I'm originally from New York I've been out here 20 years now I've seen what happens when you sit on your hands and do nothing and we can't allow we we just can't allow that to continue the bad behavior like I said before you can't fix stupid we certainly try so um before we move to vote on this we take a five minute recess and then we'll come right back five minutes we're back at back at 45 thank you hey you could hang out and wait for us to vote that's entirely up to you all right we're going to put the meeting back in session please [Applause] [Music] [Laughter] like you're meant to be a teacher all right get this on right um can I have a motion on uh to adopt ordinance 2024-25 Miss Fitzpatrick Roo please John Miss Fitzpatrick yes Mr alette yes M Seuss yes Mr Templeton yes Mr Bartlett yes and with that I'm going to direct Mr heinold if he can start working on that no parking ordinance I will do that and I understand you also want to amend the amendment for the coolers and the barbecues I will I will get that to you right away and then we'll get that on the next agenda all right meeting is now open to the public for comments or questions and generators generators and anything else out there that doesn't involve your Fe so while we were sitting here I did some research on uh Beach ordinances where they've had party problems so I'll I'll circulate it you guys can give me your feedback great than you thank you de all right meeting's open to the public for comments or questions session number one you have any comments or questions on anything else we haven't discussed tonight so far or you want to discuss what we've already discussed come up give your name and address for the record this is meeting's open to the public you're making an entrance mine I don't I'm sorry I don't have session one or two but I had a question and it's okay on resolution 2024 112 sorry j316 iiz 112 okay what is um is this for the grant to be submitted can you give the that I was making this what what was the resolution number 12 the um content the l Grant the governor's Council and that that's a required resolution to participate in that program um it's gone through different names Kasa Municipal Alliance um to be able to participate U um in and receive funding and for uh for that Grant has the has the um the RFP been released and is the proposal been written for these funds so is this resolution approving a proposal to be submitted it's not the prop it's the participate and we participate with Riverside who's the lead agency so um and I believe that those funds that Delan receive is for our um our lead program our lead program is that correct Chief yes yes thank you thank you very much thank you you're welcome thank you Jord nope you're good 11 Force Center Avenue member of the shry commission it's wondering if there's a place where I can plant oak seedlings I about 20 of to PO my house what kind of seedlings Oaks Oaks oh no I no no comment hey John do you have any that we could use o what are they place out a bunch of Oak SE get bigger oh maybe West out maybe West out oh we can find some spots you coordinate with John to find a home at West abest we lost so many trees to be where where does it have to be yeah I have to put them up on the road up at West Avenue we can put them okay yeah the last number of storms we lost a tremendous amount of trees I'm sure I don't need to tell you yeah these ones are from meeting grounds okay oh good good very good great thank you Bill thank you Bill and any anybody else has any comments or questions now there will be another session later on in the agenda for the discussion item Mr Martin good evening Dan Martin 628 Pennsylvania Avenue uh I understand that there is going to be a discussion on the traffic study uh done by the Lang fors engineer did I have some comments on I've been a resident here for three decades um I've given the whole time for a few decades with the exception of a new road stub and Creek in coopertown there's been no new development of roads for travel uh in Delo I have served on the dicho Ping board until this year in recent years I have voted against applications of some applications put some of the warehouses that have been constructed because I didn't believe that their traffic studies accurately reflected what was happening uh I think because of my obst planning board have included have included a traffic engineer that gets a chance to look at the applications not only a c um I asked one applicant Theo Theo application why didn't we study a specific intersection of e man cus and coopa T in their traffic study they response once because the County engineer didn't ask for it they never asked anybody or professions in joint what areas do you want us to study that interception has impact to too uh I'm asking attention to consider funding the traffic study that we need um there's been a large increase of large trucks on Creek Road I don't use Creek Road anymore I probably been on it twice in the last 6 months I Avid it because of the trucks the issues I never used the jug hand if I have to go south 195 or at 130 I'll into Riverton take Fairview out the bridgew HS it's slower but I know I can do it uh on Cooper there are many trucks that are leaving fully loaded leaving for loaded they do maybe 30 m an hour there are two stop signs getting to 130 we're going to about 295 they only do about 40 m hour few minutes for uh coming into the lco when the trucks are lost I try to guess how soon it will be that they're doing 20 M hour uh this morning I was going after I even town in that direction um a truck left styl um location when I was not even at the uh Town Hall I was called up to him very soon uh something happened in the township I don't know if it was Township or County but they decided to make a new passage of both all Coop both all Creek so you have a truck doing 20 M an hour what happens you're stuck there uh I had people passing illegally police were not there um and the issue on Cooper Town don't include the three empty warehouses that the Michael had and the one empty warehouse and they put the park I am talking about evaluating areas outside of the township but it is affecting the quality of life of Township residents so therefore it should be looked at and it should be part of any decision that the joint L board makes on an application uh also in the traffic study not talked about a lot there are many pedestrians utilizing these warehous working at these warehouses that come from the train uh we walk in unsafe areas I would like the traffic study to evaluate that and come up with recommendations uh the other one which is a little personal PE if you remember when the river line was first proposed they told us that the Train move no faster than the adjacent roadway that's going um on Pennsylvania Avenue is moving more than 25 and the river Ro is moving over 60 M hour it's got to be between s our it's just not right but so therefore that is part of our [Music] what's how do the train effectiv thank you very much Dan all these things uh you're suggesting um that go in the traffic study the warehouses out of town but is that reflected in uh Mr Do's proposal I doubt that the train was and I doubt pedestrian was I think most what you yeah okay most of again most of the quality of life is issues deal with vehicle transer but there are other things that should be looked at as part of re application on as well as Town committee for attention thank actually Mr doery indicated that if we had specifics that we should let him know and they would be glad to include them in the traffic study yeah I think it was including just a certain like a number of it wasn't unlimited I don't remember the locations outside of which is for municipality to but we can't leave the township we got going into another town Del River with the guys partying got put not going in there Dan thank you sir thanks for being obstinate Dan yes Mr Martin has opened the issue that's uh later on your agenda the circulation report I'm sorry Carl just give your name and address for the record carlas 65 board thank you sir I am a member of The Joint land use board also a member of the shade tree commission I am not here tonight representing either of those groups I am here tonight speaking for myself and to encourage you to uh spend the money although it will have a negative effect on my taxes I realize that but perhaps Mr Schwab will find a way to work it into the budget uh [Music] to Mr SCH agreed to a salary decrease thanks and to do so I'd like to just P one small paragraph after out of H do letter of August the 2 to all of you and that is this due to an anticipated increase in infel infill development throughout the township where vacant and under ized land will be developed and redeveloped for residential and Commercial purposes understanding the roadway systems will become much more critical and certainly I try to do my best in making decisions that benefit the town but the more information I have to assist me in that is of benefit to everyone and therefore I encourage this board uh when it comes to the discussion of the traic study to consider the benefits that it will be for all of us thank thank you car here turn in I can't she's G Janice will get You2 Avenue um I've been on the board very long time and one of the things that we've seen happen is that when we start playing something things change so you look at what was the crossings originally that was going to be little shops with apartments on top then it was going to be town homes and it was going to single family non AG restricted and then it ended up being restricted when you have no idea what our warehouses could be in 5 to 10 years you have no idea what a little bit of vacant land that we have now is going to be and the warehouse that are occupied those uses could potentially change we don't have this Baseline study or ham so we get an application the only thing we can look at is the traffic setting that they present to us which only reflects the immediate roads within this town and we're tying our hands we cannot be the best from the town if we don't get this basine stuff done it gives us a tool to go to the county it gives us a tool state to give them the reason to get some federal dollars to help State followers to help um to do nothing because this is something we' needed for a while said on your and do Bas so let's be Progressive let's be proactive and then end up where we get application and we're very very going what of so I do thank you an thank you an anyone else Lor all right we will close this portion of the public comment mayor I'm not sure whether uh the folks are staying uh I think we should discussing for the discussion part uh and uh add a respect for the folks if they're not going to be here I have some uh questions and some comments uh pertaining to the uh doing the traffic study move the discuss yeah why don't we move the discussion for the traffic study to now as soon I close the public comment already right okay why don't we move the discussion on the traffic study to now and then we'll do the comments and reports after that okay that's good getting late it's past our bedtime too don't worry if you don't mind I'll things that I have um so the traffic study we're just looking for car counts and truck counts on certain roads if and uh so what I have and going through the papers uh so we I have a composite map a land use map a zoning map a rankokus Creek Greenway map a route 130 concept plan map uh Burlington County River route Corridor study which encompasses Route 130 at bridgeboro Road Edgewater Park uh Burlington Avenue County Road Route 543 uh coopertown Road County Road number 624 Creek Road uh again County Road number 625 uh and I also have Burlington County master plan reexamination report which includes Edgewater Park Riverside Willingboro and Beverly so out of all those reports I guess my question is why do we need uh someone to come in and do a uh a traffic study um you can't we just request from the county the counts uh their last study or their last part counts for the county roads that into the White please L I think um why don't you just give your name and address of the record oh sure Lor van gendan 318 Avenue Blanco I I think there's a little bit of confusion about what this is actually going to be and I wish Hugh and Spencer were here to talk about it as they were at the last meeting but I'll try to and what we keep calling a traffic study it's really a circulation element to our master plan it's bigger than just a traffic study um we do have a circulation plan element now but it certainly needs to be enhanced and um one of the um issues that or one of the tasks that penoni is going to perform in in presenting this is they are going to do car camp um and truck counts um they had said it at you know they would talk to you guys about where the need is in particular to study certain intersections and perform those counts but the other thing that they're going to do is to glean all that information from past applications that we've had um when applicants have done their own traffic studies and they're going to look at that and they're going to pull all that information into to this document um so there's a lot of plans out there as you're saying but um and we even had a board member Chris cla a former member who um did some work on his own but the fact that he was a lay person and not a professional it really didn't hold as much weight uh but it was no less warranted than penon study will be um and as an said when we're sitting up there on the board in firm you're a prior member Matt you are Carolyn you're on there now Mike you come to all our meetings Kate you know what we do um you're sitting there listening to someone give you an application and I have yet in my 20 plus years of sitting on that board for an applicant's engineer or traffic expert to tell me that they development is going to negatively impact our Township and we all know that that's not true one of the things that you're supposed to consider is is it going to lower the level of service at an intersection well guess what the intersection at Creek Road is already a level service F you can't get any level but we have no recourse we can't say to them you know you're going to make this worse then what's you all see what happens out there at 3 or 330 you're back up on that road past to Pennington Park um and it takes several cycles of Lights to get there um would it benefit to have a right-and term Lane there you know things like that that this circulation uh plan element looking at pedestrian we've all seen the people walking from the train in the morning to the developments that are out on Cooper Street Cooper Town Road um what can be done to alleviate some of those things that's what we're looking for something that is specifically looking at Delano and the issues that we're having and yes we can pull in some of that other information the more the better um and and I would love for it to be a very comprehensive document um and I have confidence that Pon is going to do a really good job with it but as Ann said we need to have that baseb we need to have that to be able to to rely on or to refute when traffic experts come in from applicants and say this isn't going to affect the town it's not going to have any negative impact we need to have something where we say well wait a minute this is what we've got what are you going to do to alleviate putting any more of a stressor onto these roadways and these intersections so that's what we're looking for something specific to our town that's a part of our master plan not necessarily a standalone document it's going to be a part of the master plan that will rely on you know planning that's what we're supposed to be doing planning and this is long overd long overd I'm going to come across and I guess being The Devil's Advocate again because I have these reports or these Maps you know we have a sidewalk plan addressing that we're working on from the train station to the industrial section okay there's a bike path uh plane that's in here uh that was put together for traffic coming through town uh for bikes uh you know the bridge you know going all the way across we have the Pennington uh too Island trail that came through uh so we have all these pieces or all these tools already and so we're going to give this to the engineer uh the traffic study engineer and he's just going to take our our information put together and do a traffic account and then come back with what information that's yeah he's going to look at all that information and they are going to make suggestions on how we can improve things okay so we don't have that now and so a lot of our impact is from surrounding communities from Riverside Edgewater Park and Beverly and we have no jurisdiction into those communities more that it's all County Road counts and the state right so if you want if you want to see those things improved we need to have a tool that we can take to the powers that are in charge of those or oversee those intersections the county the state whoever it be and say Here's the proof this is what we're experiencing what are you going to do about at this point I mean for those of you who have been here for a lot of years you know 10 15 years ago Mark Rema in the County's Economic Development Committee came in and said you know we want you we want you to embrace business we want to be business friendly you know we want to revitalize the River Front Corridor and this is how we're going to do it you need to to uh revise your ordinances to allow for growth in business development we've done that right and they said they were going to make certain improvements one of being The Jug Handle out Atek 130 right that was a 10 or 15E Horizon well we're well past that now and nothing has been done and if we just keep ignoring it nothing will ever get this is a plan yeah and that's the improvements that they made they improvements that they made uh worsen the drive through to Delano Edgewater Park in Beverly and uh actually I have been working with New Jersey do regarding that joke handle but I I've been doing this it's been probably my third year now working on that Jug Handle if I had that traffic study I could just send it to them because these entities take forever to deal with us including the county but if we have our own package and we can say here Joe and here Senator this is what's happening in Delano now here it is in black and white not just my word not just my letter not just my email this is it help us correct it it needs to be corrected cuz Lori is absolutely right I sat on here on this committee for a number of years and I went through Mark remenza with the plans and the last plan they gave us and he was here people came here and said what do you want Here There and Everywhere and uh we made a list and of course nobody listened to our list but one of them was The Jug Handle big deal Mark said and they had a plan to change it they were going to enlarge they were going to put a Jug Handle at cramps Y and we were never told that deal went through because Edward Park didn't want it the only way I found out was complaining about The Jug Handle that's how I found out because Mark said that would take I said well how long he said about 8 years and that was probably 15 or 20 years ago I don't know for sure but to me this is the tool that Delano needs for Delano for our residents to make sure that whatever future development or changes are made that we control some of the issues that's my SP so I think the best way to put it is we have to be our own Advocate right we can't rely on the county coming in here to do anything it's the best way to put it is the squeaky whe gets the grease right that's what Richard likes to call me um yeah the squeaky will so you have to be your own Advocate you have to advocate for yourself and for the county roads that are in our town because we never say anything what's to give them any incentive to come here and do anything they're not just going to say hey look at the lank over whoever makes a loudest noise is going to get the the result and look what Del Ran's getting through their Route 130 Corridor they're getting the The Pedestrian pathway and some improvements you know going there probably because they made noise about it not because the state or the county figured it out on the room you know so and that's the dumbest thing ever we're going to put pedestrians on r one I know I send my I did send a letter about that I was really like shocked but yeah leave it to the government they'll help does anyone else have any comments about this cuz I and just come don't Tri yourself it's not it's not just the roads within our borders is that intersection on look at that and at they're the critical numbers that really are to be able to push back the other thing will look at what our road could be made even if it is the county going to have to fund it um if we get a change use in any of these big warehouses that is not a reason why the county could not ask for some sort of develop a contribution and if we've got those recommendations in the report again if but something go back to the county and say you the ability to do this you need do this yeah Matt what was your comment I know we were talking earlier and you had brought up something that you wanted to say as far as the traffic study okay you think I can remember what I thought we talked about earlier but one thing that's coming to my mind right now yeah is if if we're doing this are they going to include in the traffic study the fact that our bridge is closed which seems like half of the time because the county won't fix the flooding in Riverside on County Road 543 th exacerbating the traffic on Creek Road Cooper Town Road The Jug Handle the traffic light by Wawa well I would doubt that command's aware of that so we certainly can make them aware of that and they can include that in in the study or the report because that's one of the biggest issues playing this town right now and the fact that we have told the County engineer about it I've told the County engineer Mr F har yeah Harry's still there he's been quiet tonight Harry is talk told the County engineer about this numerous times we send photos we send videos and they yeah and that's what we get they don't think there's a problem we all did Mike did I did don't forget they put signs up for us oh yeah they're putting the signs up hidden behind trees it said the Roses Rose well after well after you're in that area already yeah leave it to government they'll help any specific concerns that you have certainly you know make them known to Hugh and Spencer and I'm sure they can address them those things have to be in there I wouldn't I wouldn't even consider this yeah the um the Golden Triangle what I can see on construction over there they're they're going to build over Riverside they're going to build those houses over there before they do anything with the watch case because I think the watch case just became a money pit and nobody's making money over there so they want to get the housing built so they whoever can get some money to do whatever owners two different owners different owners two different owners yeah watch cas by I think developers in Cherry Hill now after the uh slimy guy from New York who did the fraud right um and I don't but that's going to have an impact on sure because they're not improving that intersection there right before the bridge that's going to be the entrance into the main development so when that floods and that road closed the only way in and out of that property is behind the watch case on an access road there yeah they're going to give them an access road yeah yeah and how the hell that got through my friend got through the County planning board do anything on a County Road go to the County planning board how that got approved it's beyond me study right but again that's going to have an impact sure on us our community MH yeah so um so do we have to discuss this any further or can we um I think Mike did you have anything Mike um yeah oh it's it's interesting how this has evolved uh because I don't have other things to do on Tuesday nights of the first first Tuesdays of the month I usually hang out here at the planning board and talk to talk talk to the members and and this is evolved it's gone back and forth some have said some of the things that it wasn't going to make a difference and know it will help and yes it will no well but it's nice that it's all come to a consensus that this is the best thing um just as uh something to point out and I know Mr erl let's done some great research and and pulled up all these reports uh a couple years ago when uh Kitty Martin planning board administrator and I were working on the Route 130 plan the lank was component of that and going through the initial U document that was prepared by the the county planners uh Tom stany conis there was a lot of bad information a lot of bad data and it was old stuff it was 10 years old 20 years old um and it had the imprint of something new something fresh and something current and accurate and that as we were this is Martin and I were pulling our hair out for a year and a half or so trying to get this thing to some subance of reality uh and it never got there um so I think a a a dedicated personalized study for Delano covering the outer sphere of what impacts Delano uh environmental as well that that's that's the best accurate snapshot that we'll be able to get because there's a lot of bad data out there that's there's a lot of information but it's just hard to keep up with it and stuff's there's some old stuff out there that bad decisions are being based on it I yes Carl terasi again and I wanted to uh respond Mr olette um I have great respect for all of the members of the board uh and this is not an argument and I'm not again speaking for the groups of which I am members uh member but I am speaking for myself and I would like to say that I appreciate all that information you acquired but you acquired all that information of the towns around us I don't sit on any of the boards of those towns I need information specifically about the lka to help me do what I think is best for this town thank you thank you want to respond I would uh so where I got the uh circulation map was our master plan M okay um we we have the Delo cion master plan now we've got the uh composite map the land use map and the zoning matter uh part of the master plan correct all attached to our master plan and this would also be a component of the master plan so it would so for the upcoming master plan that or no we just update that circulation plan element to the current master plan that would be with this yeah because we do updates within that time period of when we do the whole master plan so correct like adding ordinances kind correct so the information that I have was not just from the surrounding but specifically for Delo U and and that would be that would be augmented by what the proposal The Proposal okay thank youone have a motion yeah do we need a motion I would like to make a motion or do we need a resolution no motion is on it's in the budget already yeah it's already in the budget just question do you want to use that particular proposal except that yeah I would like to make a motion that we approve the proposal from penon dated um November 2 1st 2023 revised December 27th 2023 and include his letter of August the 2nd 2024 for a circulation plan element of the master plan for Delano Township and $225,000 I'll second I'll 30 what we doing those now huh all right motion by Kate second By Carolyn and third the hell of it by Fern uh roll call Jen Mrs Patrick yes Mr alette I say yes and I thank you for the discussion I appreciate it m yes Mr Chon uh yes as and include the um there were two items that we were going to add to it right the Bridge Approach bridge and there was something else yeah we're going to add that kenon said for us to give them the information that we want there we add that didn't want the door to close behind us there yeah yes Mr Bart yes subject to them including that bridge yes you guys can go class dismiss you can stay feel free to stay please dinner Lori it's 9:30 you're making breakfast 10:30 well we'll be here so feel free to drop some off the way to my heart thank you thank you good night thanks all right um it's late for comments and reports but uh we'll go to our professionals I think we have a couple of them here Mr Fox good morning Harry All Right microphone Harry yep I got it he's not talking here okay I'll try and be brief reader digest um the uh I'll bring up to date on our projects the uh zbook seaw wall all the pile driving has been completed um the round piles as well as the C piles they's going to be pouring a portion of the cete cat tomorrow and going to be working on that in the next several days after that they're going to be installing the under drains the drainage uh the drains um and then will degrading in in the sidewalk so so there they're moving on quite well um no real no real issues and uh good shap the the S doing those as well the vibration monitoring has ceased because they're not driving any more piles and there was no vibrations above2 in per second um is5 for historic and it's actually two for a regular house so there's there's been no vibration good and Harry the um contractor is working on the estimate for the fence right right correct he was hoping to have it to me today I still don't have it in yet um but uh yes he's going to give assessment for stalling the fence uh on the top cont cap as well as he's proposing a vyl fa on the fa I the price that and then you can decide if you want to do it now or do it later or how you want to handle that it'll make it look a lot more not industrial exactly yeah he's done that before so he's pretty familiar with he he has done it before um it it it works out nicer even with a sidewalk buting it there's a lot of good reasons to do it maintenance but but we going to get he's going to S me a sample as well as a price great I'm impressed by the quality of work they're doing out there they move along at a great speed I haven't heard one complaint from any residents regarding any of the work going on out there they've been Cooperative kind to the the neighbors out there they they have been they've been they've been very professional very poite to anyone who's been out there and yeah I'm happy with their their work the only negative we got was from the um sensibility about the trees yeah and uh maybe doing some kind of injection at the end of the project yeah and and and I'm not a tree expert and I told him that as well I that's going to help the tree I think that's a great idea um as far as the compaction of the roofs there's really not much you can do out there all seeing equipment and what they had to do it is what it is the area they wanted fenced off you wouldn't be able to work and put that section of the seaw wall in you could you'd have to back each time you're winning you have to back up and over the curve and it just not really feasible um but yeah if if if there is a fertilizer injection that will help that's in away y the what else we got um the uh the Newton landing and River Edge striping um that was scheduled for Wednesday and Thursday this week however the weather coming in again it's probably going to get delayed but nothing we can do about that um but we'll keep you post it because we've been sending out emails every time to gets updated so um I know the chief has been involved and and also time Association I think this week is bound to be a wash I think so yeah sadly literally literally yeah and that also includes doing a crosswalk in front of town hall here anding anything involving paint that doesn't turn to watercolors that's correct good um the Field of Dreams uh lighting Athletic Field lighting the as I'm sure you all know the foundations are in um the conduit is all complete they're going to be pulling Waters probably next week again with the weather happy this week um they we're out there today and grade it and SE it there are trench areas they didn't so in case everybody notices this and wonders why they didn't do around the PO because they're going be working around so but they did do their actual trenches um kind of the rain coming that should be to time another job well done by another one of our contractors they did a good job out there too they they did did did a very good job um and we we are we did receive proposals for the service um um they they came in with really good numbers uh we we got we receiv two quotes um from the contractors at now electric and mor Chu moris does a lot more electrical work in county and and those quotes came in really really favorable um and there was only $600 part and that's just from The Wire the additional panel that we did not put in this project there was an additional service that was needed yes correct yep it's it's additional service that that's going to feed basically just the lights um they it's it's pigtailing off of the service we have now going to the well box go to the well box corre right it will be its own panel um it will be stolen same met will have F panel and it'll service the the lights okay just getting a sub panel from the the uh y well box and that was because musco and does it recommend that we have something that initiates a lot of draw at the beginning like the pump it can actually cause the lights to flicker so it was recommended to install that sub panel correct still under budet yes under the yeah the pump works on a very speed Drive uh frequency drive and when that kicks on and message with the frequencies of the electric current and lights can fli but the pump shouldn't be coming on while the lights on generally or if anybody's out there playing I hope should be coming on right so but we've got such a good quote to do it because we able to use that exteral pan on that it just made sense to do it now yeah yeah all that stuff isolated Rel protection or there's there's circuit protectors on yeah um the last thing I have is discussion if you want to do that tonight or or wait I don't know the time on the cdbg handicap Ranch you got to move on that now otherwise we won't get a d time you were going to he sent them to us you did yep yeah okay the list of the yeah I sent them to Rich on me I remember seeing that on August 1st I believe I agreed with all of them so just tell tell the locations here yeah the locations are um and and what we did was we took our old list that we have in the past couple of years and where there are no handicap ramps existing or if there ramps that are really unsafe um and and all their left there are two areas Delware and Hazel that we're going to be doing on the road program this year and also spru with Chestnut so picking them off the list we can get everything else that we on that list completed um which is West Avenue and gou the four the inter will be four ramps Memorial AV gou there's two ramps there uh malberry and Union there four ramps West Avenue and cold gate there's two ramps that need to be done and popular Street in Franklin for two ramps um and then what we always like doing these we like to make alternates because if the bid comes in high it'll leave M you can still W it right but if time there we can just the Y so so we have an alternate one is Third Street and Cedar um it's it's where your St comes back turns into to Cedar The Bu yep um and there's actually three ramps that section so we have a total 15 ramps um we could probably add another one or two as open if anybody has any areas that they have concerns with the other was we didn't they don't have them ramps now is Pennsylvania Avenue up in the north side which next to John's house y so when John retires he's using the views and the views and opinions expressed I'm not done yet not not done yet I haven't talked yet hit you over the head with that cane Harry I know you will um so we could add those to up there as alternates or if anybody else has any think the third and Cedar is good as alter has are walked a lot so should we make a a motion or something to approve that list correct yeah you want to approve that list then later on the consent agenda you're can approve is you know the engineering cross proposal get the job done so yeah that list is acceptable I would do a motion accept that list all right I'll make that motion to approve Harry's list of the 2023 cdbg Grant or 2024 excuse me I'll second that do all in favor I guess we can got it thank you and I found your email Harry it was buried between between all the ones we were talking about with that gas pipe last week so my fault it's there not a problem okay and that's all I ask all right where do we stand with the public Works building it's a little lower it's a little lower on our our list car I'm sorry we got to get these other things done yeah yeah yeah no wer we doing something with the gas tank yeah that's we'll get there okay we'll get there just doesn't have the same priority as some of this other stuff you're you're a priority in my book John just want you to know and Harry's gonna add Harry's goingon to add the boat ramp to this list so we can oh yeah please that that boat ramp got destroyed during the construction so that we need that it is and they they're going to um I spoke to them a couple days ago um they're going to back fill that with some Stone okay um for now but it will be approved further in the future when we get our permit for that yeah we did another water rescue drill out there uh last weekend and uh we had to lift the boat off the trailer and bring it down yeah I'm going to talk to them again tomorrow because it is it's it's getting worse um and a lot of it was caused or at least made worse by then driving equipment over it right so there resp possible to bring it back to where it was before but we'll make it nice I'm sure not to be labor this when they put the new one in what they just bring a preformed one in and Flo it in I'd imagine that what they could have preformed or we can use a high early concrete um cuz there's a plant time between the tides oh they could do that okay yet um and and we're going to use bar Gan to go further out that's that's the plan armc cor let us do it um but it'll just be concrete for at Le 30 ft okay then we're going to BU G so be stable Rock area that they can be try TI yeah we were talking about this at the OEM meeting last week so what are they going to do about the pilings that are out there uh the one from that way out there from the old Pier that's just going to stay there we can't touch those I'd leave it I mean it's something that's kind of holding is actually kind of holding no the only thing I was thinking is the boots that's all pull the spikes out there we just you know re spikes Pi it up drive it down and pull it out yeah we take a look at that sticking out but yeah the core is not going to let us touch those and I wouldn't recommend it anyway because that is acting as a j and they're historic so you're just barking up theet Tre definitely I can make comment on a couple projects related to this you see the bab Ruth Park improvements we've authorized U uh tailor designed to send out to get the quotes for the paving the resurfacing of the basketball court for that grant our qpa authorized that so we're going to go out on that and so also to make note thanks to the qpa we could do the uh electric service for the field of Dream Lights separately she was very helpful to find the legal way we did that uh also um on the uh Ash Street uh we are going to be asking uh in order to get the next step to get a grant for the environmental cleanup we have to do a park master plan for that area for them so uh we be asking uh ER and Taylor design to give us proposals to do that piece of the work so we're goingon to have to get start moving on that in order to uh make sure we get the state grant for the cleanup and then I don't know that you you're not on this time but saw this whole thing about the gas ban issues with PSG that you and Harry are going to have to deal with so I don't know if you want to mention that or not I had that on my list yeah we got uh an email last week uh someone I worked with ATS and uh they're going to be doing it their next phase of gas name replacement it's going to be in the uh section of the Town Buttonwood Ash that area as well as um the other side that Walters line have the specific I that map the Harry we're going to set have a meeting with them that's going to be mid 2025 and we'd like to try to align that with the road paving program so we're not uh doubling the work and we get some Paving done by PS I don't think any of those were on our list yeah actually I think was was yeah Delware was that's the only one that we're proposing to but we we do have moratorium on four or five other streets that they so we can deal with them get best we can yeah I'm I'm trying to get a meeting set up with an ASAP so we could coordinate that actually said can they do it this Thursday so wait for a response back go from there does the water company do anything at the same time that would makes [Music] sense yeah the water compan is trying to do the um bring that main across from that we talked about theek last year across the creek from Riverside we hav heard a thing from them yeah we might want to follow up with them again otherwise we're telling them they're going to be on the moratorium and they're not going to be able to do it yeah we chasing them yeah yeah if we do that work on Buttonwood deal with our own is okay thank you I want to bring those to your attention all right and the uh the um I think har the storm water pollution prevention the plan water too many words this late at night where are we at with that yeah that's being prepared um we're getting some documents from the township um that has to be included in it okay that it's ready to go one was overd oh okay and of course we got to look at all those those two wonderful ordinances have that discussed at some point another night for that yeah not tonight just all right bringing it up adds to our priority list very good somebody else sets priorities for us yeah all right thank you Harry uh wa Mr hin hold up we'll go to our last professional this evening no further comment sir you still here this got all right thank you Doug Richard I have nothing new that I hasn't brought up sport Al I won't be here next time best thing I heard not that you won't be here that thank you we'll have it all done for the 19th I don't have to be your board department heads Chief good evening thanks I'll I'll be quick our July statistics for uh for the end of the month ended ups with uh 22 police cases originated um there were 11 uh 1,153 calls for Service I looked at the stats that's 400 more this year than we were at last year um there was 160 motor vehicle stops conducted 40 motor vehicle violations issued and seven arrests um on the first we had our newest officer swor in tandre gumis and he began the glas County Police Academy today it'll be in training for the next 20 weeks and uh we anticipate uh he completes the training and joins us um patrolman Christopher ORF just completed our field training program I'm happy to report so he's now able to work in uh in Soul capacity and help out the uh the rest of the Patrol Division patrolman Ryan Karns began his second phase of the field training program and he is now assigned to Sergeant Maloney um the NJ New Jersey Department of Corrections conducted their DET detention area inspection uh which is conducted every two years uh last week and we will me be meeting with their staff again tomorrow for the final inspection of our recently renovated detention area uh we also completed our sieges audit last week which we learned quite new of quite a few of new things that we'll be working on and we have a supervisor meeting scheduled for tomorrow evening and that's all I have the report Chief question for you yeah is there a way to extrapolate the data for the call of service to the Hulk Island area uh yeah we can yes would you be able to do that on ongoing um basis and then report that monthly by monthly yes just so we have an idea yes I can thank just the island or surrounding I mean so I would say that whole area if it's related to the island that would be a little tougher but yes do the best we can yeah yeah that be that be awesome thanks thank you Chief and I can see uh officer kar's out there driving around on Sunday looking for that big explosion that we had Transformer exploding I saw him and the sergeant M out there was good to finally meet him even though I live a block away from him you never met him I never met him thank you uh Mr fenmore yes uh we still picking up brush we picked up 72 cubic yards of brush uh we cut the Tanta properties four times we replaced two stop signs we removed one tree unfortunately at West Avenue Trail we cleaned out two storm drains down there on Delaware of the two that we clog and I'm going to have Doug Weller go in there with the Jetter and he's going to Jet them out to get them out clean on on the the pipe that goes out we're probably going to have to figure a way that we're going to have to replace that pipe because the pipe is what 419 yeah it's like it's that's that's that big yes like a 12 in pipe yeah it always fills up uh the County's been helping us out for the wood chips which we are very fortunate that they do 27 truck loads that's tanm yeah that's tanm truck loads okay um I'm going to meet with Kevin I don't know one day cilia one of my problems is trying to put this list together is tree trimming I've gotten entirely different prices from one contractor to the other explaining what to do so if I don't know exactly what the resident wants done it's very hard to check what you want the tree cleaned out they go in there'll be two dead branches and they can take it out and they can charge whatever he wants so it's it's a little so I got to get Kevin to you know to try to figure this out with me um and then that way I can tell the contractor you know what to do um also the the new fencing out there is that going to get anything put down on it or is that just going to be grass parking it's grass okay well what we're going to have to do we're going to have to fill in right where the new road meets the dirt because there's a lip about that big and the people backing in and out is going to crack all that roadway sure as hell so it's going to have to be filled in with something I mean I have millings yeah well we can do it but I just I didn't know if it was going to get filled in with any material it's just like the other parking if you want to put some millings down to ramp it that'd be awesome okay I'll get that done and that's all I have all right John with the upcoming tropical storm I guess you guys will be out cleaning storm drains and preparing for all that we do that all the time yep anytime rain we it's one of the big things we did okay awesome good and Al also we started I started piling all the leaves up getting ready for the screening machine in September um the leaves are broken down really good this year I mean really good so hopefully we can get them out by the end of August instead of waiting till the end of September when everything starts to happen did you guys order the um speed limit signs for the fod road the what's that the 15 mph signs were you guys able to order them them uh I think Kenny might have did yeah I think he did and Harry you marked out where they need to go right I did that was couple weeks ago okay John whenever you guys are going to do that just let Harry know so he can go out the day before and Mark it I guess yeah okay I know you've been busy with all the storm stuff so thank you John uh John um I talked to Steve Moritz today and he wanted to thank you for cleaning up that area do you know if that's Township owned or is that an easy it's awful you know every year I do it and the reason I do it is because it's all poison iy nobody wants to do it I put one of my guys on it they catch poison ivy they out you know unfortunately I you know just like the glove out here is all poison iy and I got to do it but they have no problem taking care of where the tree three stops all the way to the back of the Y but they have trouble with that little bit of area and I I I don't understand but I know I know why because of a poison ivy well do you know if we own it or if they own it no I a survey I asked Steve he's going to look for a survey but he he said he would if it was his if it definitely is owned by him he'll do it but he doesn't know that it's his I I checked in the archives I didn't didn't have any survey I mean does he own on the other side of the sidewalk out front of the house he cuts that right and he cuts the side from his gate all the way out to the curb but that's just that little bit between the that little section there that's along it's actually along the road yeah that's not Cur have you guys been out to Hulk island with the trash yeah today it's pretty out of control yeah they uh they had that um I think he said the guy said three half cans and one full can yeah they're not putting in all they're litter scattered about I mean is it bad what's that is there litter scattered about like no they didn't say I put the young guys on there there's litter out there I mean Paul Newman sent me pictures last week John at uh where the boers are on uh out by the point on the Riverside right there's probably four or five black plastic uh trash bags they all busted up and there's beer bottles and cans and uh you almost need a a backo to be able to scoop that stuff out of there yeah then what I doing it it's a shame yeah it is it it's a shame um we've been dealing that for a long time and just doesn't seem to be getting any better and you can't please everybody and it's a shame cuz it it is a beautiful piece of property out there you know majority of that trash too is voters who don't want to put it back on their boats right they want yeah they don't want to take it back well they know they can get away with it so not anymore not anymore all right thank you John I guess if they try to take it back with them and they get stopped out on the river uh I guess they open open can can I ask the question U sure is is there an entrance to the Marine to H Island does anybody know that yeah yeah yeah there is yes that second Trail when you're going in the gate stay open or does the that gate goes into their property though right into the marina property yes yeah so that's owned by the marina goes from their par okay so when that gate's open and then body can go back there right mhm I think they just walk around it yeah yeah they just it's just a cattle gate to be continued it's an ongoing oh yeah plan Janice nothing at this time thank you Janice do we have a install date on the panels no we're actually going to receive a um sample panel that'll um of the color that was chosen uh that'll be first and then as soon as we give the okay then it's like a 6 to8 week lead on getting the panels so we don't have a specific install data this time okay you let us know when the sample comes in I guess yep we'll do for those not following the bouncing ball the panels we're talking about our sound attenuation panels so you don't hear this terrible echo echo in this room make it easier and better to hear us go to the consent agenda consent agenda items are considered to be routine and will be enacted with a single motion any item requiring discussion will be removed from the consent agenda all consent agenda items will be reflected in full in the minutes does anybody need anything pulled and separately discussed from the consent agenda no nope I'm good Mike you guys good yep all right on Roll resolution 2024-25 ISM and drug abuse GCA da Grant fund resolution form 1B Bravo resolution 20241 one3 resolution of the township of Delano adopting the Emergency Operations plan of Delano Township resolution 2024-the one handicap parking space on popper Street for 430 a alpha pop Street resolution 20241 one5 resolution authorizing professional services for 2024 locally funded Road program resolution 2024-the Professional Services for 2024 NJ do Municipal Aid Grant Road program resolution 20241 17 resolution authorizing Professional Services for the 2024 handicap ramp uh replacement project the cbbg grant program payment of bills current fund 1,375 1842 .96 payroll $16,839.23 the dog fund $561 the escrow trust $830 can I have a motion for approval of the consent agenda all right Caroline and Mike roll call please MRP yes Mr yes M yes Mr temp yes Mr B yes uh approval of minutes from June 10th 2024 who needs tostain on that Me Myself and fern right and a motion please move second all right roll call please Mrs Patrick abstain Mr alette abstained Miss yes Mr Templeton yes Mr Bartlet yes uh correspondent I have none thank you all right uh meeting is open to the public for any comments or questions this is session number two if you have any comments or questions on anything uh please step up give your name and address for the record and speak away me's open to the public I guess we've discussed enough tonight on everything under the sun all right we'll close this uh portion of the meeting to the public uh discussion items we talked about the traffic study uh we're tabling uh chapter 110 section 10 governing conditional uses to a further meeting to be announced and we're going to table the uh cannabis ordinance for theight simply because it's 10:00 already and we'd like to have a fresh mind yeah like we're not on cannabis to be able to discuss this appropriately um went until um to a specific meeting until uh call it the whatever meeting Doug is here next September September here weeting this September meeting I believe so yeah okay yeah the September the first meeting of September which is that sounds about right September no I don't have that on my calendar 9th we have a meeting that night I won't be here not I don't know why I don't have September the 9th I have yes the 9th that's odd I don't have any September meetings on my calendar I'm going to have to fix that so we're going to go for September 9th which is the second month yeah all right um I hope we don't have a need for another executive session no no okay can I have a motion for a German pretty pleased move second all right we're going to call that car and then Fern and K get the third on that all in favor I I I thank you very much for coming out everyone just see them sign in front of the a so it's 99 on it right now