good I'd like to call this meeting to order could we all stand and salute the flag please I pledge aliance to the flag of the United States of America to the Republic for which it stands one nation
under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you uh Jamie could you read the Sunshine State please be advised that proper notice has been given by the township Council in accordance with the Sunshine Law in the
following manner notice advertised in the burans county times and cam carrier post on January 8th 2025 and posted on the bulletin board on the same date Mr Morrow here Mrs aadu Mr Smith here Mr Jenny here Mr lion here um
before we get into the work session um a councilwoman AO apolog that she was uh not feeling um to L under the weather and she thought it was best if she did not attend due to her illness so that's why she is not here um so let's move
into our our work session and um the first uh topic would be the discussion of ordinance 2025 5-07 amending chapter 5 257 Property Maintenance I believe that was brought
up uh last meeting meeting which I was not in attendance with and so what we decided to do was we we'd include this in the work session and we have with us uh bill lunaman from that department and bill has a synopsis on that and he's
going to um go over that and then Council um will have any questions a bill and then we're going to deviate a little bit after council's done with any questions or concerns or clarifications of Bill we're going to open that up to
public comment for that ordinance and that ordinance only on the property maintenance so Bill if you could come forward please we'd certainly appreciate it you swear to tough now Mr I'm not swearing yet all right well I did listen to um
some of the questions and concerns from the last meeting um questions why we're not calling it a CO and we're calling it a chains of ownership the DCA uh about two years ago sent down to all the municipalities that for residential resales they do not want
us calling them a CO that's only for new property that is why we're calling it a change of ownership for whoever had that question um questions also came up about um say you bought a property in
2018 and the basement was finished and it wasn't permanent prior to well we don't go after people who bought a property um and they're selling it now for something that was done when they moved in um it's very clear to see if you look
at the MLS it'll show you that the basement was finished so we shy away from that it's this is not a a money grab or permit grab that's not what it's about um we've had numerous complaints they've come from our state senator's offices they've come from our
commissioners offices um a lot about flips uh flippers come in they flip a property they're not getting any permits people buy the house and there's no protection for that this is what this is about it's not just walking into people's homes this is strictly when
properties are being sold um according to MLS we had about 187 properties that were sold last year in this town so this is not a huge money-making opportunity it only pays a fraction of the salary that we have for the gentleman that's
doing this um and this is really to keep the life health and safety standards up um it's not because you have to paint something this is for handrails and guards and safety things they're going to protect the citizens of this Township that's
what it strictly is um anybody have any questions yeah I'll just start it off and then I'm sure there might be others um just um a quick scenario you come in on a sale um and the owner replac the hot water water
heater because it crapped out and um they wanted to get it done F quick um they have a friend who does the plumbing and hbac they don't get a permit for putting the new hot water heater in the new hot water heater has been installed to code and properly but you guys come
in and go this is a new hot water heater how how would you guys handle that scenario so if you as the owner had it put in um all we do is ask you to get the permits we got do these inspections we put the approval stickers on it now if that was in prior to you buying the
house um then we're not going to ask that now if there is a violation that could hurt somebody we're just going to say Hey listen you have to get a mechanical certification get a contractor in to fix it so nobody gets hurt um so it's we're not always going to ask for a permit it's it's basically
if you didn't get one um we're never going to ask for them if something that you bought and you know didn't have it we're just going to make sure that whatever it is is done safely so that nobody gets hurt with carbon monoxide or something like that great anybody else on Council have any uh questions or
concerns with Phil say so if uh you move into a residence pop so if you move into a residence and uh water heater was put in you're not going to go back and make them re redo a permit or
anything T by house and um uh the Water heers exist then the answer is no we're not going to make you get a permit for it yes um only for what you do you're responsible for we're not going to hold you responsible for what
somebody else did now if it's not put in properly we're going to say Hey you have to get this fixed so that nobody gets hurt and that's really the extent of it safy yes it's more of Life health safety that's what it's about and we're not looking to find anybody if they did something and we say it that's not where
we're going with this all right so I have a house and I put the a hot water heater in get a permit and I come and say hey I need to have my inspection I'm selling at home you would then require me to get a permit correct and have it inspected the new homeowner isn't suffering with something that may not be
done the way it should be done correct yes that's ACH of different un correct and it it really is an issue that we've had um I have I have a house and and I'm here part-time I have a house in my other Township where we had a flipper
come in and I actually had to um give the house an unsafe structure cuz we have Foundation damage from work that was done from a flipper and it was never inspected it was never checked and residents moved in there within two months they're out um so this is what
we're trying to stop and it it is a big problem because everybody sees you know flip this house on TV and they all think they can do it and they're not doing it properly and somebody's is going to get hurt and that's what we're trying to stop you brought up the other town that you're involved in is it accurate that
they have a similar ordinance it's pretty much identical and we we work it the same way you know so you're going to have things about a case-by casee basis um and like I said it's not a penalty against people we're trying to make sure things are done properly and to code um
and lawfully that's all I guess um this question is not question but I guess some of my concerns are that um and some this is stuff we can talk as Council as we move forward
on on this issue um let's say um a woman becomes a widow when her husband does a lot of work like people do and don't get permit I'm worried about what effect that could have on that um I think the main thing I think we all
agree with um any work that's done in the in that is supposed to have permits res need to do that um hot water heaters I have been put in by Horizon they came out the permit I'm I'm looking at heating and air conditioning um they coming they said they'll take care of
the permits um Tom had mentioned like you know somebody that comes in and he does it on the side he might be a certified plumber but and and he does everything to certifications but the reality is we don't know that until it's really inspected by an outside Source by
second party and I agree with that um also I think I think a buyer is also given the opportunity to find out what was done and not done in a house by opening open um or requesting if I'm correct right um
find out what was done prior to the house if permits were issued on that house so I think that's an area that is kind of covers this also I I I have some concerns that I I I'll discuss with Council that doesn't really go with you
but you know I guess I I just want to make make sure that when when a a buyer is going into a house that that they also know they have other routes to go and I guess also I'm a little concerned and this something I'll talk about is the cost to the seller and um because um
some people have have spoken concerned about is why should if I'm s in my house why should I have to put out that money to bring in an inspection you know what I'm saying so there is some concern with that I'm hearing that so that's something we can discuss going forward as
now now one of the things that you did say we do have a mechanism for if you have a senior citizen and the husband had passed away and she's there and she's selling the property you can sell the house as is um in this so what happens is you get a list we issue a TCO
with x amount of days to take care of and a new buyer would take care of that so there is mechanisms so that that is taken care of uh for them okay that's also something we can discuss as a grace period before this ordinance goes into effect if anybody's done something maybe
come Town should be up front then get the stuff it's something new in our town it's I think it's it's a growing thing it's there'll be growing pains with it a little bit people getting adjusted to a new ordinance where they now if you're selling a home you have to have this inspection done but before you did it so
um it's just something I think we'll discuss and that's pretty much what I'm and you're one of the only municipalities around here that doesn't the mechanism know you really are raised here and I know how well they they they used to they used to do it here and they
uh removed the ordinance because uh Jamie and I had looked that up um some years ago now so Bill uh quick question so if let's say for instance a a homeowner had a property in say 2008 and they do some upgrades if we can put on
an addition let's say right and then get permits new person buys it say 2010 um I'm coming along in 2025 you got the current owner I'm the respective buyer how does that work like for the
current owner and the well we we will look and anything we see at safety we just you if needs a handrail we're going to tell you it needs a handrail we're not going to make you get permits for something was done by somebody else that is not what this is about thanks for that clarification and
I had a question concerning like you were talking about how word here and the question's going to kind of come up where well this was done before I got here but then what are you guys using as a scale to look at something and say well wait it was done three years ago you bought the house five years ago I
mean I know dates on them I know the water heater yeah you're going to have dates but I'm sure there's other things that wire has dates drywall has date most things have dates that we'll see and that's how you could generally tell they date almost everything anymore H they give you the day it's made the line
it's made on and um you know all that information in cases use them same dates to prove that I B the house in 2016 thiser was installed in 2015 yes sir and then um before if no one else
has any other questions and before we open it up for public on this issue and this issue only um we did um you know Al um let us know we do have discretion uh and well the mayor has the discretion
and we'll talk about that um of if if this gets passed and put into place um we can say anybody that's currently under the contract is exempt from this and we can put a date if we uh if we put this to
bed and and and approve it in April um that maybe we come up with a June 1st date so anything after and and we can talk about a date but we we put a date certain anything going forward that is not under contract you know then that
that that would be when it's subject to the new ordinance that way somebody who's you know getting down he's got five days or she has five days to settlement isn't all a sudden oh crap now I got to have this inspection we don't want to we don't want to impede
anybody from um executing their agreement so does anyone Council or anything have any more questions all can can I get a motion to open up the public for um public discussion for ordinance
20257 and 20257 only I make a motion got to get a second so all in favor I any opposed hey Bill could you just sit right here and we'll turn that
microphone around for you that and um the same rules for um public comment will also be for this um if you'd like to make a comment or have a question from bill please raise your hand you'll be recognized by the chair um you will
give your name and your address and you'll be given the opportunity for five minutes and uh all comments will be part of the record both uh uh videoed and um written so if we can anybody wants to
make a comment or whatnot man you stood up and had your hand so we're going to get you first sure my question just come on up state your name and your address for the record please my name is Nancy Evans I
live at 307 Arch and I have just a couple of questions they're probably pretty simple number one who do you represent who are you speaking for like who do you work for or you know I am the construction official of the
township okay now if somebody has a home like I bought mine in ' 07 and I'm not selling you know but I bought mine in ' 07 I had to pay to have my the house I'm buying inspected okay not the seller um they came in they inspected it it was a
crappy inspection job you know but I got you know the permit and all that stuff that I was supposed to and I paid for it out of pocket now since then I've had to do a lot of work in a house I always get permits for it now say and I am a widow whose husband just passed away and I am
a senior citizen now who if I decided to sell my home how do you get triggered to know that I'm going to sell my home and you're going to come in and want to do an inspection well once the ordinance is passed um we will notify the all the
realtors in the county and the Realtors when you're coming when you're listening your property they will let you know um that the property has to have a we a sale uh an inspection for sale and do I have to pay for that inspection again well you would pay for that and
that inspection you can pay for it once and the inspection is good for one year so if you haven't even you don't have a a buyer as of yet you can do the inspection and we'll hold that to one year for you yeah but I have to pay again I paid when I bought it and then I
have to pay when I sell it is that what you're saying yes or no yes okay thank you now say say I have a home warranty um contract with PSC and so anything I need done like that they come in and do it I
buy the parts they do the work um and I pay so much every month for that service uh they I'm sure they label everything I'm sure they get their permits and whatnot some outside work say construction work um concrete work whatever have to get permits you know um
all of that stuff electrical permits or whatever um so um if I don't know like I'm assuming that pscg did these permits and stuff like that because I mean that's what they're
in business for say I'm not selling so that's not the issue but say they only do their job but they don't bother go going through the county to or the township to get the proper permits is that is that what's going on or what
happens under those circumstances well most of what public service does with your um your pairs doesn't require perose for furnaces for air conditioners it's only when they replace them and public service is very good about in perk okay most of the contractors out
there the reputable company they all do um so you generally don't have any issue with that okay so okay so I don't have to worry or any person would not have to worry about that but public servic is very okay now what about rental properties
say somebody owns a home and now they want they they're going to rent it out there's renters living there those renters move out and new renters move in does does that homeowner have to go through this every time not trigger this at all this is for a a change of ownership only only ownership there is a
mechanism already for doing yearly inspections for botal properties it's totally separate from this okay so if I'm going to sell my house you're going to the realtor is going to let you know then I'm selling my house and you're going to come knocking on my door to tell me you have to come in and do an
inspection is that how it works well you would actually come down if we have a one page form you can get it offline um or you'll be able to pick it up in the township you fill that out you pay you schedule the inspection your convenience and we come out and we do the inspection for you and within 3 days if there's
anything needs to be done we give that to you in writing if not then all we're waiting for is the people are going to move in and we can issue the change of ownership and how much is this inspection going to cost the homeowner I think it's $200 do believe $200 and
that's one inspection that will cover whatever is in the house that covers that covers en house and like I said that's good for one year so if you you know if you had a deal and it fell through you would have to pay for it again you can change to whoever's going
to be there you have one year for and then the buyer do they also still have to pay to have that house inspected it only gets done by one party only one party every time it Chang hand it's only one one party so if you have if you pay it as the seller or you have the buyer
pay that's that's up to you um however you can contractually do that with PR real I see okay thank you very much thank you and and just just so you know I mean bill can be contacted here if you have further questions or whatnot you can leave a message for him Bill what's
your last name Lun it's the the Construction office and he he can answer more questions if you don't get them all in five minutes yeah no I just I'm just curious as to how this whole thing's going to work so okay thank you yes please just please state your name and
address for the record please sure thing hi everyone I'm Angie NY Princeton Drive um I just have a couple different things so bear with me um first thing is I wanted to question you were saying for instance the hot water so this is a a full home inspection
right we were going through and looking at all the lious safety equipment in the house your heater your hot water heater hot heater is not installed properly It Go like a bomb through your roof I understand that these are things we're looking at to make sure we're done right
I get it okay so my question is is you say that let's just say and and mine is correct but for whatever um you said that we won't have to pull new permits if the work
pre-exists our ownership but if it doesn't then we would have to pull a permit and my question is is if you're there and inspecting it and it's not a money grab if you're there and inspecting it and you determine then it passes or fails what is the point of the
extra step of going to get a permit on the work that was already done to then get it inspected again if you're already there inspecting it so the fee for the permit feels kind of redundant at that point because you are inspecting it you're saying if it passed or failed but you're
also saying but if we figure out that you did it and you didn't get your permit then you're going to have to pay for the permit so if it's that feels like a money grab to me first off it is a housing inspector who is doing the inspection not myself I
am a UCC State inspector it's totally different all the permits that are issued for building out of this were all controlled by the state not the township um this is an ordinance that's done by the townships um most townships have it
in place um that inspector that comes out doesn't have the license that I have to put a sticker on that it's totally different I went to college I'm a state inspector there's it's two different things but um they don't they can look
at the hot water look at the date on it but they're not going to say okay well you're missing the dirt leg or you're missing this or that that's not what they do so if I'm understanding correctly then that person is not certified to certify the hot water
heater that they're there to certify as part of the Home Inspection he's not certifying the hot water here he's looking at it to make sure that it's it's been you know it's there was inspected properly the gentleman that does this has a license to do housing inspection he's not a UCC inspector they
two different things in the state of New Jersey I I understand that but it's still as a lay person it sounds like we're saying the person who inspects it with a permit can say that there are faults that may or may not
exist but that the home inspector would still pass it as being safe so then again it doesn't feel like it's a safety concern because if the home inspector is saying it's safe but we're going to have extra requirements by the person who
is more knowledgeable and hot water heaters do you do you understand what I'm saying so the inspector comes in you're your home application and then you uh set up a date the inspector comes out
and finds that um everything is great no problems the $200 covers his time and effort to go out in the vehicle inspect your home write the report and after that if there's nothing to be done there's nothing to be done that's the end of it should there be an issue and
you say well you know there's a a hot water heater and that was never here before oh well yeah Uncle L put it in for us well you need to have that inspected by appropriate inspector so they will prepare the report provide it to you you'll then set up with the
inspector to come out after you've had a remedy I understand that I understand that but what I'm saying is if the home inspector is saying it it look it appears safe because it's the whole point is for the safety of the people purchasing the home so if the home inspector says it looks safe then why
are we getting a permit to have it reinspected P for or the buyer pays for you mean the real estate no I'm saying if this is to go through and and the the home the full home inspection is done and they're saying it looks safe but there was no permit when it was put in
so we need to have somebody else look so his certification that it's safe isn't really a certification that it's safe to inspect it and Report what he finds but he's not there to he can't he can't if he says everything's fine everything's fine if it's not that's when the other
inspector gets involved so that when you repair it or do whatever is supposed to be done the other inspector can come back and certify that it has been completed but that's not what he just spoke to he said that if that's why I mentioned what I'm saying is that am I correct no he said that if there was not a permit originally done then the
homeowner would have to go back and pull a permit said he did um you're at the five and like I said you can follow up um with other questions um I and and I could be wrong but you got to remember if you have somebody that comes into
your home and is a home inspector and says this is hunky dory and then it gets inspected and it ain't hunky dory you need to go after that person because they were unscrupulous and they sold you a bad bill of goods all right so if
that's what you're talking about that that's issue you didn't get a reputable thing but like I said bills available all the time if you want to call ask other questions if you want to email us questions you can but we we need to move on to the next person who wants to speak okay that feels a little curiously short
of five minutes but I actually have a timer thank you I'm sorry thank you I just one last thing I do want to say is everyone's saying we're the last Township to do this and I think it just goes back to the old adage if everybody's jumping off the bridge that doesn't mean we have to jump too no it's
because we've had issues with res uh anybody else um let let um a young lady first yes yes and don't touch the microphone just just use your outside voice yes sir I will use my outside
voice thank you can you state your name and address for the record please Pat pomerans 21 Alden Avenue DeLand New Jersey beautiful first I'll say I'm in favor of this secondly I sent to you
Jamie and and Mrs aad do copies of the co inspections for probably 12 or 15 different municipalities and you'll see the difference if you have time to take a look at those before you put this all together at what other towns do some are
more extensive than others but what helps everybody is if you are more specific draw up a checklist this is what we're going to check okay um so so the as a realtor we come to you and say
okay I'm selling 21 alen Avenue need to get a CO inspection you give we fill it out you give me the for the paperwork and it says we're going to look at all electrical now what does that mean though are you going to check all my receptacles or are you just looking at
the circuit breaker box and you know make sure there's no knob and two wiring in an older home or you know something like that but you put together a checklist so that people have an idea of what you're looking at and I think and I mentioned this to to Lynn last week or two weeks ago I think you need
to stop calling it a home inspection and call it a certificate of occupancy inspection because everyone is confused with well I'm paying for a home inspection you're doing a home inspection what if this guy does and that it's two different things you know
I've been to hundreds been 33 years trust trust me well the state of New Jersey two years ago told us we're not that you Co anymore that's why we're calling it a reing a housing resale can't well housing resale but yeah it's a housing resale inspection that's what this is being called okay well we can call it that just not a home
inspect and but and I also don't agree with your one year one year I don't know any town that does one year because if you have if I if you come to my house today and you do that and two weeks from now I go do some other stuff in my house and I go oh no I got a COO from the
township you know but I did stuff along the way usually they're good for 60 days max well we do nine months in pens haen and one of the big reasons and I joke about doing one you here is if you have a deal and you get stretched out and
then you lose that person now we're making you pay $200 again and we don't want to do that that I take as a money grab that's why we're giving you the I I just don't agree with the a whole year I mean you can use what do what you my feelings on that so pin is your other Township yes and we are working on a
list to give out and pens Salin does have a Township I mean a list I may have even sent that one I'm not sure I sent you guys like a ton of them all right so you can look at that pick them all apart pick what you think's going to work well for you but
be more specific we're dealing in generalities and that's what's got everybody confused and concerned that's all I'm say beautiful thank you anyone else state your name and address for the
record please yes sir spitch williamj 58 Brown Street D Ran New Jersey your name Sir Mr L spell that for me l n e m a n n l u n e m a n
n are you in fact the author of the addendum under the new section of ordinance 20 25- 07 27-12 and capital M in parentheses no I
am not a lawyer that's our solicitor writes that not me you did not write the addendum I don't write all right very well sir you have it appears redundancy in Del Ran under chapter
398 Public Health nuisance Article 2 Public Health nuisance in particular capital letter A items one and two address the very same thing that you are doing in this particular section you don't think so okay here let
let me let me I'll educate you on your own Public Health nuisance uh it is defined and this is the nuisance is defined and prohibited any matter thing condition or act which is or may become detrimental or a menace
to the health of the inhabitants of this municipality number two any matter thing condition or act which is or may become an annoyance or interference with the Comfort or general General well-being of the inhabitants of this municipality I
believe this gentleman spoke about health all right you have something on the books you're putting something that already exists all right into this ordinance why well your is good it's enforced by the he officer of the board of You
Construction Department need way get yeah we have no way do it this is the you can't have someone from the Board of Health enter people's home you mean you can't cross over and say this is in fact a health issue the gentleman said it was just enter your house this is no I know sorry I know you can't that would be a
violation of my Fourth Amendment I got I have that okay Mr attorney you're saying that you can't cross over and say oh this could be a health issue why do you have to put something that's redundant into an existing ordinance so this is what the health officer or someone
authorized by the Board of Health if they see these nuisances they're the ones who have the authority to s a public health do um this would have anything to do with hous we wouldn't you can't we can't send the board of pelant to your home and they wouldn't know when you're selling your home so more if they
see an unsafe condition or an unhealthy condition they have that power all right very well you enforc very well and then I would come back to the Faulkner act where it says the mayor has power under
section 40 colon 69a 149.6 and 1497 the mayor can turn around and say no I don't want this particular addendum to this particular ordinance and I can designate a person all right whether he be in the
health department or whatever to say I would like you to do this so there would be no need from the health department to go he could designate an individual I don't care whether it's health or whatever or construction he has that power under the forkner ACT to do that you can't send people to your home no
I'm not no I'm not sending anybody to the home I'm saying he's giving him that ability if he had to the mayor has that under the forner ACT you'd still have to register someone from theard of Health to go here put the Board of Health aside I'm
just saying you have something that exists that you can use if you had to the gentleman said it was a health issue so I'm saying to you the mayor has that power okay to be able to do that he can actually I would say put this and put
this aside and address it later or dis disregarded totally this new addendum to ordinance with is this ordinance 20 uh 2025 d07 that's mine he has the power to be ordinance yeah I don't see how you get
this together without the funding from Council so we'll just agree to disagree all right we we'll disagree okay very well that was my portion thank you sir thank you gentlemen ladies anyone else
please state your name and address for the record please J reper Del Ram um so I'm here to say that I'm opposed to 20257 it's only there for recording it's not really for amplification use your outside voice and God it I do have an
outside voice so just starting out by saying it sounds like dollar R's turned into an HOA so now we have got permission from the township like you would in HOA so that's just one thought that actually a lot of people are against us in the township I've been talking to people they been tell me this
it's one comment that somebody made so my I'm going to start out by saying things are not being taken care of in our town people come up here constantly complaining about Road problems issues with their cement there things of that nature why don't we take care of them now all of a sudden we're going to do
this out of nowhere so I'm wondering um so instead of helping the residents you've decided that you're going to enforce more legislation so what is the point of this ordinance I know it was briefly discussed here but I'm going to ask again what's the whole point and I'm
going to ask I'm not going to ask you these people were voted by us so any law or ordinance that's written in the town it's coming after the people that voted what we voted for not somebody that was appointed by so I'm asking you guys what is the point of it and and who also
brought this somebody your legislators he's not a legislator the lawyers not one Jamie's not one somebody here brought that and I'm someone asked before and nobody people refused to answer it so I'm wondering you know that the people don't want this so I just I would like to know what's the point of
it and who also wrote this what one of you know about this I'm just saying the um just be honest point the point of this is we're going to make sure that we protect people when they buy a home that they're buying a home that is not in an
unsafe condition because the flip like we said the flippers come in they don't give a crap you ask me I'm going to answer my turn all right then stop the clock then no comment but also but now you're talking keep commenting the
clock's running all right go ahead sir now it's public all right so I'm going to say to you that when a house is sold bought and sold right now we we hire inspectors right so when I buy my house in Daran I got an inspector so it should be A Private Matter between to people so
that the government shouldn't be involved in this this is to me it's a money grab it's a power grab it's a violation of people's Liberties like I said so it's it's an overreach complete overreach the job of the government is to protect the rights of the people it's not to be constantly and acting more
rules like do you guys even know half of the ordinances that that's out there probably not there's a ton of them so I'm just saying it's just it's you got to also start to read the room correctly people want less government they don't want more government in United States and Del Rand is United
States so that's all I'm saying so anyway there're my comments I I said I'm against it and thank you appreciate it oh I have more time left yeah oh yeah you got two minutes anybody else want to take it we're not going to see right all right yes sir name and address for the
record please Steve G um Del Ran I'll help you time it I'm try to keep it don't on time there um I I don't believe it's really a money grab I can see that the numbers aren't there and it's not really going to rear much uh revenue for the township probably under 100,000 I
thought there were 455 home sales but I was wrong I 187 yeah that's low it's very low, I agree um you know after I looked at the numbers um so the real issue is that um we're really violating principles of privacy like the fourth amendment like Bill mentioned uh we got
property rights and proportionality issues here so again it's not about a money grab um so private property transactions are already um involved in disclosure and risk assumption and it's is contract law and it's protected under contract law you really don't need another third
party interloper to jump in and protect us and you know keep us safe it's really unnecessary someone had mentioned a comment about a seller not being able to be served a lawsuit which I'd like to see the numbers on that they're pretty low nobody here it was uh one of the
residents um that I was speaking to um I don't find any validity in that um I'm pretty sure the numbers aren't there I'm a numbers guy and a contacts guy if you give me all these Contex numbers I got 187 homes fine how many home flips were there you know how many of those were investment properties that you can say
this is a problem because there's 187 flipp flippers you know causing issues with the bad construction um and I was one myself I flipped many homes over 17 I did everything by the book and and I did see guys try to get away with just paint carpets and cover things up um the
drywall thing you can't see the drywall date unfortunately unless you can see the other side that's very hard to do you're not going to pull the paint off um so that was one of the things that I wanted to pick up uh for your information there um you really should put the language in as you know as as
clear as possible all the things that you speak about you can't say well we're really not going to do that we're only going to check this I would like to see exact verbage um like I mentioned to Tom uh during the week there was a 16-page ordinance last year in September that was passed it was very thorough for
rental properties only I suggest you read it I gave him a copy it was very good I don't know if it came down from the county I understand there might be some something that might have come down from the county for if it didn't I think did you help put it together it was very nice I got the information and sent it to the solicitor solicitor yes it it
wasn't uh it wasn't him though it was very good though did you see it yes yeah it was good it was very good so I thought maybe this was stemming the issue was stemming from those people and that's cool I you know I understand that especially if you don't have uh legal
residents in these properties the landlord is not going to register the property because when they go to court and say hey they didn't register with Del Ren haha you don't have a case they don't do that they they just run away or whatever deal they make up I've seen
these uh Riverside had a bit bigger issue with that but they've been around in in every town I've been in many towns in Burlington County and I've done it for investors so I've been around like you I've met a lot of they love me the inspectors because I understand where you're coming from um so another issue is that the um enforcement powers for
the township already exist under your chapter 257 a lot of them because like in 2572 and 25714 you already allow enforcement of officers to investigate code violations right yeah but they don't have access to the home they only from outside unless
there's a complaint maybe no no I can't do it under UCC unless I'm called in for um an unsafe structure who would call like a a the tenants or somethings it on out there H they would see it only then okay so we don't have access to the home at all or
inside inside yep um so you also have a 257 3 8 and 10 it defines nuisances which are not just annoyances of of noise of course they're dangerous or unsafe conditions that's what nuisance is used in legal vacular for that uh and also UNP unpermitted work um isn't
enforce offense also but again you you you were saying you can't go in there um 25716 already sets forth escalating fines and enforcement measures so I'm alluding to the fact that maybe it's a little bit redundant uh on on part of this um and then you also have uh it's very un excessive and unnecessary like
some of the residents had mentioned um because of the inspection fee um even when no complaints exist um there's an undue financial and bureaucratic burden um and of course the threat of uh incarceration which is a little disproportionate um but the blanket inspection
requirements uh they basically undermine public trust is what you're doing these responsible homeowners and you're basically saying well we don't know if you're responsible we want to come in and check your stuff um and it may open the township to Legal challenges under the doctrine of overreach which has also happened in other townships if we're
going to add some uh data in context here um but if it is rental property uh non-compliance if that's the majority of the issue which it may be I don't know um you have uh already have mandatory R Rental registrations annual safety inspections enforcement mechanisms for
Property Standards um procedures to identify and address overcrowding and unpermitted work so I I'll wrap it up here because I see the time uh yes I'll leave I'll ask you some questions so I want to know it's public comment and your five minutes we want to make sure
everybody gets their I'll leave you three questions you don't have to answer I don't want the answer you can actually when we open up the public later you can ask those three questions today or next time really thank you Tom yes you're welcome thank you guys anyone else before we close the
public name an address please Patricia Griffith Brown Street um my my concern with this ordinance is um like kind of like what St said is very redundant there's already things to cover this I I don't think most people want to have to have nether inspection when they're
selling their house it's already a stressful time normally whoever's buying the house gets an inspection so things should be checked this verbiage is very very vague right now we're all sitting here we're not going to do this we're not going to do that we're only going to go for if
there's a problem and you're not going to be here in 10 years I don't think anybody is going to be here in 10 years and how is this going to be interpreted this is every single house that's sold this is you know it's not just the ones that you think are a problem it's going to be interpreted down the road that
anybody anybody can come all these houses and and if if it's specifically like you were saying for a targeted home sale then I think it should be written that way this this the way it's written is way too vague I
would never stand by it and if you guys want to pass it we we'll do a referendum we'll just take care of it so it's whatever you want to do but most of the people here are not for it thank Youk anyone else before we we can move
on to the next um ahead how you doing address address and name for Mike n Princeton drive so my question is kind of was kind of asked earlier if a Township inspected house is there's some kind of issue something
happens got forbid some kind of fire that's can the township be sued anybody can be sued at any time okay but can the township be sued now that they're inspecting the house what we're looking at because then tax
we're plug test we're going to make sure the pal covers are on and they're not off um we don't fail you for KN and two um it's still in the code book you can still use it so we're basically just looking at life of safety that you can
see things behind the wall nobody can see right so then it's not really you're not really giving any kind of safety if there's no of all the hand rails and the guards and stuff that we find and we have people do
um people get hurt and from a practical standpoint at least 50% in pens talk and of residents buying houses they don't hire a housing inspector we're it we're we're we're the only we're the only mechanism to make sure that that house
is safe for the people not everybody does I understand I'm not really concerned about what everybody else does but that's I mean that's your choice if you want to get your that's what it's been if you want to get the house inspector when you buy it it's the deal between the buyer and the
seller so my other issue is if you're inspecting the home before it gets sold why is there also the the the ability to just inspect as if if an inspector is driving around a neighborhood or is is working inspecting
another house see something outside can write that up as something that needs to be addressed cuz if you're that that property maintenance is different than this um Property Maintenance is really if grass is high
if we have bushes um the gutters are falling off the house they can already notice out hey make sure you get that fixed there's no permit required to fix it um again this is actually given the mechanism to make sure the inside of the house is safe or if it's a fenced yard
to make sure that that's safe because we can't go into the yard uh we don't have a mechanism for that um nothing in our ordinances allows us to do that okay so but then why is it in there that if it's added to the property
inspection it seems like it's like you're giving their ability to do an outside inspection not just because I think the grass both when we're going into the house to make sure everything's safe make sure you have your Hils make sure you have your guards make sure you know that's you're really making sure that
everything's safe and so I think that that's why I'm saying I think the outside inspection part isn't necessary if you're already doing an inspection of the house when it gets sold that's just given extra more power to like to be able to to pick up things being in real
estate for 10 years and Pat May confirm one the inspectors do an okay job they don't know all the C of ordinances we are going to be checking to make sure our ordinances are maintain and that the work that has been done in the house was
done correctly it's for safety and you know because for example pluming if you uh don't have a vent done properly kill the people in the house the air conditioning heating if if you have carbon oxide problem could kill everybody in the house electrial it's
not done properly I'll tell you what I just I just replaced every receptor of my house and the reason because our contractor when they put the houses they bu the houses you can either just plug the wire in the back of the receptacle or you can screw it on tight to make sure it doesn't come
loose he showed me about three recept you pulled out and the wir just fell out that bars starts fires that's why we replaced everyone in the house so there are reasons for it it's you know it's $200 now you sell 300 to $500,000 house
$200 is not a lot of money to make sure that what you're selling is not going to be dangering someone else yeah I think I agree with most people I don't think it's more about the money I'm more about the the over the over it's more about the overreach to me a lot money we're just cover our cost work
it's more about the overreach to to me that's what it feels like yeah I'm not I don't I agree $200 I don't think it's a money grab I think it's a slowly over maintains Community value because people know when they move in community but like I there's no warranty
or or guarantee to come comes with that inspection exactly so it's you're not really because you can't because you can't say it's safe but so then it's not really doesn't really mean much to me thank you thank you sir the last one is the jail time for not paying a fine that
is ridiculous thank you 45 all right uh see D you already used did not yeah I did well you could later you have something
come on up I remember um name and address for the record please Gary yes thank you Gary cbone 261 Burning Tree Road so uh I think what what I heard was that uh While most people uh believe
that that the inspectors can just go in they don't really have a mechanism to do that it sounds like this might be that mechanism uh before a house is sold we've been living in a buy or beware uh environment for so long that uh I see it on in other
products that are sold where unless if you buy a car you know you you can hire a mechanic take a look but it'd be nice if the people that were uh doing the inspections if the state did inspections
would be uh there to help you but uh the my concern the only concern I have is that uh this doesn't in any way uh add any liability to the township so I I think it's a great thing to to expose
problems you know it's if you're inspector is you know a somebody who is good but not great and misses safety things be great to have the inspection but I don't you know I would suggest makeing sure that it's buttoned up tight
and the lawyers can do that that the Township's not exposed to any liability uh because of uh what's the result of the inspection and and one of the reasons we didn't put it on the agenda on a second reading to vote this was we
wanted to have these discussions we wanted to get the input and everything so if we have to go back and tweak it we're going to go back and tweak it and if we got to button some things up we will and you know we're valuing everybody's input but um you know your point is well taken great um are you
done I am can I have one favor to ask you could you fix that microphone you're really good at that that I that I can do that right I app there we go for various Heights nobody else touched the much anybody else so we can move on to
the next item can I get a motion to come out of public for this item and this item only please I make a motion have a second please all in favor I any opposed hearing none that item uh public is closed all right we'd like thank you
very much Bill we really appreciate it and he he can you can contact him at the office he'll get back to you um next up is the B which is the discussion on proposed ordinance amending chapter 20
division of police um we have our acting Chief with us here this evening um if you want I can just Tee It Up a little bit we're we're we're we're trying to um get our staffing up on on the police um
as most towns we're we're having you know you have issues getting officers in new officers um so we we would like to create um the ability to have some more officers and uh more uh upper ranks so I
will let um acting Chief Gasper have the floor well thank you uh what we're looking to do is just increase the total number of uh police officers in the Township from 32 to 35 with the development we had just built over uh across from the uh station our our calls
for service last year were almost uh 18,000 calls for service uh many of times I don't want to give out you know our our strength numbers that we have on the street at any one time but a lot of times officers are tied up taking reports and not able to go out and do we get a lot of traffic complaints I
watched the last meeting I wasn't here I know someone was complaining about hes Mill Road and Speeders I mean we're out there all the time at least every day someone stationary doing radar uh gentleman complain about the drive and some Vans or work vans that were there we we went out and checked that out we didn't find anything at this time but
with the increased number of uh businesses in town uh residents in town we just feel the need that we need to uh you know have more officers on the street at any given time and we're asking Council you know for that privilege thank you um anybody have any questions from
Council um of on this issue U I I we had a meeting with Matt Lyn and I just a few days ago and um I'm in agreement with him I think um it's
something that we all I think agree on that this this needs to be done um to get get you guys up to staff um obviously it can't be on every street corner you know um looking at next year's budget some things we talked about we can talk about that later but
um yeah whatever you need let's get it done for them because the count growing everybody wants safety and we guys can't do it under staff so whatever we can do to get you there do it yeah and and we've been very fortunate that we just got three new
officers and you know we want to add to that that number and that also creates you know the ability for people to move up because we're creating one more Sergeant position corre um because not only is recruit recruiting an issue but
also retention if uh if another town is paying more and you're kind of roadblocked on your promotion just because of the numbers the way it happens you may lose a very a good officer to another town um so I mean you know we're going to try to do whatever
we can to get our staffing numbers hey we can make the number 40 it's a matter of Can Can you hire them can you get that many yeah we just went through we hired two two just recent and we went through the whole Civ list of 22 you know
candidates who on that list so it's it's hard when we hire these guys and girls it's a it's a 25 or 30 year marri invest in these guys and have them grow the township stay here Nots and we we appreciate that and you know I think we've had some pretty good success
keeping officers for a long off any I just want to say too talk about money time competing with our neighboring towns obviously that's contract yes and we know that right and and uh from what I saw it is a big difference and um quite I to be honest with a little
embarrass by it um and and like you say retaining you know um why do this you know we all know what the starting salary is for a police officer in town and you can work at a warehouse do that kind of um I'm just saying you guys put your life on the line and it's something
we will obviously have to negotiate in the contracts going forward but I think it's something we will look out how many uh officers are we right now uh we're at 28 we're losing one the first of next month so we'll be at 27 so we find
sure so to the public if anyone those some nice intelligent young men or women particularly women we like to diversify our police force or uh we have of Turkish officers now which benefit us tremendously direct them to achievement
tell them we have a great job for them and a great career if they want if they want to join the police department and it's not easy to qualify no now it's a Rous Pro process and chief if you could just give a little bit more background like when you're looking for these candidates
like roughly how long does it take to you know identify folks get them you know trained up and have them on the street like how long is that process probably a year and a half from the time it starts I mean obviously knows doesn't know we're Civil Service town so the civil service exam is open for signing
up right now through March 31st by the time they take the test we get the results it's November the academy is February so they will come on two weeks prior to that they go six months to the academy three months in fto then an additional four months of training where
we shadow that so it's upwards of almost a year and a half so it does take it does take a while and it's a big investment how much time how much time if we were to wait the civil service if we can wave the civil service exam we can hire someone and we just
have to get get them trained through the police academy within 9 months what is it a little quicker process it is it's a much quicker process something we would have to do through legislation ordinance resolution yes yeah Jamie and I are exchanging some things you've done in the past and those
opportunities are still open so yeah all right very good that it beautiful thank you very much Chief um next up is 2020 five budget discussions
and we will kick it to the mayor kick it to the mayor fantastic all right I guess everybody got a copy of the budget so far we took a look at it um going to point out a couple of things um we proposed no tax increase for this year that would give us I guess that's six
years in a row with h there no quite a few with no increase um we did have to increase a couple of things obviously with you know insurance coverages so forth and so on um we had another increase as we are potentially hiring a
communications director whether it's a person or a vendor um we did put into the budget for that um we did an increase uh for a vendor for the physical audit to take a look at the fixed assets
inventory um and the police budget does include the hiring of additional officers which is what we are currently cing um do you guys have any questions about it no I just got my copy at 1010 today so I haven't going through it but
I but yeah we'll take a look at it and uh we'll go through it and you know hopefully like always um if if we can do no tax increase that's a beautiful thing um without um decimating our Surplus
which it doesn't look like it will from what I can say so um it looks like we're still in a good healthy position and it would be really nice to be able to um introduce the budget with um no increase anybody else
absolutely I got um no nothing we'll get into discussions later I guess by line items we used to do cor how we are we that's how we used to do what we're doing y okay um okay you guys I no I just point I
nothing major here um I just seen that you know I was looking at the road uh a little bit of money we using the Rock and the salting of the roads over the L you can see from the weather how dropped you know how much we dropped in that in
that department um I did um I seen we increased our roads you increased the road program a little bit by about 124,000 looks like that's a good thing page are you on I'm sorry Jamie I'm on the
um I'm just at streets and Roads streets that one that's that top one you see it there that's salary and wages salary and wages streets and road yeah 24,000 that increased am I correct on that am I over that looks like it's on this to yeah
he's on the top l78 just regular salary so that's a total so you'd have to take the actual from 2024 and then subtract that from what they budgeted I don't know what the difference is it's not it's not on there
but went from okay looks like 1 million if we're not all ready to go over this and you guys have this I just I just saw that you know a few I started and I mean it's a lot and I just thought I didn't know how far we were
going tonight with this that's all okay all right I mean you can ask all the questions no no no I want us all to be on the same page I got it at 1010 we had a 1100 10:30 meeting but the numbers look good from what I've
seen yes does look solid I think the Departments have all done a good job if you look at the last four years there hasn't been really any increases um in anything um obviously that will eventually have to change I mean I mean how long can you keep the
line Straight Like That over the last four years so but um and and so forth but it's a great job I like what I say I just they know how we no worries no worries anybody else uh all right so this point we're going to move back up
and we'll continue on with uh some ordinances so if you bear with us for a second a you ready y all right moving on we have an ordinance on the second
reading ordinance 2025-the the completion of various C utility system improvements in and for the township of Del Ran appropriating the sum of 4,200,000 there therefore authorizing the issuance
of General obligation bonds or Bond anticipation notes of the township of Delan County of Burlington New Jersey and the aggregate principal amount not to exceed four .2 million making certain determinations and Covenants and
authorizing certain related actions in connection with before going uh as this is on second reading we need to have a public hearing can I have a motion to go to public for a hearing please I make
make a motion second I'll second all in favor I any opposed eyes have it so we are open to public on coordinates 20253 and uh 20253 only if anybody wants to make a
comment on this particular ordinance please raise your hand you'll be recognized you come to the podium be given five minutes state your name and address for the record yes young lady okay again my name is Nancy Evans and I live at 307 March Street and there
are several ordinances in here that I have questions about but when we're speaking about this one um just like with the other there's at least two others we're talking about $4.2 million for a couple of sections in the
township of delam from what I understand some part on Stewart Street some part on Route 130 what kind of work is for just small sections of Delan is going to cost $4.2
million who's going to do it okay and and why can't we find a contractor because several meetings ago we talked about looking for contractors that don't charge as much as the current contractor that we have would you like an answer to
that yes I would um Ed could you please elaborate on the Route 130 Phase 2 I believe and it's also Stewart uh Phase 2 on this particular particular or this so I'll take the the easier one first so Stuart Avenue um the reason that there's
money being budgeted for there um is during the last phase of the project there was issues that were run into with the existing laterals um so that that's under the the sewer portion of it so that's just money being budgeted for that um in case when the storm sewer uh replacement of phase two has any
conflicts there it's coming out of the sewer budget now in regards to the Route 130 portion that's based off of the same scope of work that would just took place on phase one so the pipe bursting is is
more expensive in in general but specifically in this area it's a scope of work that they're going to be doing it's it's it's just a costly uh you know Adventure when when it comes to that so the the scope of this is going to be a little bit shorter um but it's a lot
more congested where we're ultimately going to be terminating um so it's based off of historic pricing that we've gotten within the within projects within the township okay so we need the whole Township to be repaired basically okay
um the suit I live near um arch of fif and Leon pretty very very close to that okay which is clubs twice my street on Arch Street has concrete crafts cracks coming across horizontally okay with in
the summertime grass and stuff grows through them and if there is a problem with the uh storm drains or the the uh the sewer pipes and all that that's underneath the ground all in especially
in my area or long 130 or whatever um do we have to pay $4.2 billion do in every single place that we have to do work in order to get this town in good shape I mean this is our our infrastructure is
ridiculous we keep bringing more and more people and residents into the town our infrastructure cannot handle it and it's costing us millions and millions of dollars and what's happening we're still having collapses we're still having problems people are are scooping out
crap out of their homes when these sewers break down in front of their houses and I I don't want to be running down my street one day and have the whole my car fall into into a hole right in front of my house so why why can't we
find um a a contractor you know or or this the supplies that they use or the work that they do that doesn't cost this much money and why can't we get for point for 4.2 when I add up all of the different
projects that are on this sheet it comes to over $6 million and we're not it just doesn't seem like anything is really getting done that really needs to be done which is the whole complete sewer system
including the soil erosion and everything else so um I think that we we either need somebody who can budget better who can who can get better pricing better contractors or um you know or just get the job done because
it's been way too long be you know since anything's been done and we're waiting till everything completely collapses to get it done but it shouldn't be costing this much money money thank you thank you and um just just to the point we do
go out the bid I'm just going to make a quick comment we'll move on uh it does go out to competitive bid correct me if I'm wrong over there so when it goes out to bid um you know not that we have to take the lowest bidder but we're looking
for the lowest bid of a competent qualified contractor to do the work for us is that a a pretty good assessment of how we look at it yeah yeah and from the legal stand yeah I mean ideally you're going to want to look for the lowest
bidder the way you put out your bids for projects like these typically you're going to get the lowest bder if if you have some negative history with the low bidder you'd have ground to disqualify them if you have past litigation or contractual disputes with them um perhaps you could could disqualify them but generally the lowest bidder as long
as their bid is in complient would be the one that you would you would take thank you anyone else on this ordinance and this ordinance only seeing no hands can I get a motion to come out of public on this I'm sorry
second we got we got a first and a second all all in favor on opposed hearing none we're out of public for this um now we need a motion to
adopt ordinance 2025 -3 can we have a motion please motion have a second I'll second it we get the roll call please Mr Mar
yes Mr Smith I Mr Jenny I Mr lion I guys have it all right moving on to ordinance 20254 Bond ordinance authorizing the complete of various Capital Improvements
in and for the township of Delan appropriating the sum of 1,346 40 therefore authorizing the issuance of general b obligation bonds or Bond anticipation notes um of the township of Delan County of Burlington
New Jersey and the aggregate principal amount not to exceed $950,000 making certain determinations and Covenants and off authorizing certain related actions in connection with the foregoing as this is also on second
reading this requires a public hearing can I have a motion to go into public for this ordinance and this ordinance only I make a motion got a second so move all in favor I I any opposed the eyes have it so we're open
to public hearing on ordinance 2025-the you heard please raise your hand and come up to the podium yes sir and if you would just for housekeeping name and address for the record and don't touch the microphone yeah I I got you uh Steve Gro Notre Dame
Drive Delan I just have a quick question and uh I'll let you answer it the uh qualified purchasing agent process or the bidding process can you um maybe he can or Jamie or somebody explain how that works we can not have um
unnecessary questions maybe from us educate us a little bit on the bidding process and sure that it does go out the bid and they have to be qualified it's the usually lowest bid I understand these government processes but go ahead yeah I mean there's a million different depending on what type of project it is
it could be many different things depending on the budget for the project but for a project like these these Public Works projects um generally they come in they're awarded to the lowest bidder there's a checklist that the bidder has to submit 20 30 different items you have to go
through the checklist make sure they submit all those items if they submit everything they're a responsive bidder and they can be awarded the contract then the next question becomes are they a responsible bidder that usually comes down to any kind of negative history or any kind of past issues that the
township the township engineer or anyone else evaluating the bid has had with them if there are responsible bidder and a responsive bidder and then they're the lowest bidder typically they would be order the contract do you see a recycling of the same I understand you
have to get maybe three bids for most of the things depending on the the the the levels of uh amounts um I Heard out in the other towns and atmosphere that a lot of times it's the same three companies bidding because they're experienced in it and they do a good job and they're qualified and they know what
the prices should be like that's their specialty is that true to some extent so I'm going to touch upon that in a second but I think you had a second portion which I think Al can answer better than I can I think you're referring to when do these projects need to go out to bid I think was one of your questions but I'll answer the other portion first
typically you'll see not the same contractors bidding but um you'll get a few of the same players in in every single bid um so so we get you know repeat bids a lot a lot of the times generally they'll they believe they have a competitive advantage against you know
their opponents in the sense of that they understand what the existing conditions might be within the town they might be the job differently Etc um but it varies on the type of work okay and then does everything have to go out to RFP for these things or is there it's
above a certain amount so generally the bid threshold is $17,500 it changes by Statute per the year if you have a qualified purchasing agent then it's up to I think 42,5 44 roughly right or something somewhere around there anything above that amount would have to go out to bid anything
above that below that amount the township could just kind of take proposals order a contract but the public bidding process would be anything above that thres yeah so most of these high ticket items are going to RFP generally speaking most of the projects that are that are coming out of the
township are going out for public bit um we've had a few in the past where they're they're under that threshold um those are generally more of a um like like a semi emergency uh process just getting quotes for like best practices but not needing to re repair or
something like that where like DPW can't handle it um you know then that's when we would go out okay thank you yep very good thank you guys anyone else on this and this one only please sure Patricia Griffith um 518
Brown Street I just have a question it's has money listed for the sewer improvements on stort Avenue What specifically are they going to do on stort that that's in reference to storm sewer that there's the the remaining storm sewer that hasn't been replaced on Stewart Avenue that's what it's
referencing and then the previous that one we just had the public comment that was also sanitary so they're two different things yeah yeah so you have the storm store which conveys the storm water and then you have the sanitary sore which conveys your affluent that comes out of your toilets and store's getting some attention yeah it's a
continuation of the the project that we that we started last year okay I just wasn't C sure because I'm like why is stored on there twice okay thanks and corre correct me if I'm wrong but I'm just gonna make a quick comment didn't we get a do offset Grant on this why it
shows 1.3 and change and we're only going 950 on the bond so we got didn't we get an offset yeah you have uh $34,636 Leon real quick question how do we do with change orders do we get a lot of
these contractors that end up hitting as hard with change orders and how's that monitored and how's that kept under control so my my intent is when the projects go out to bid that that we don't get hit with change orders so we we try to evaluate everything from constructability standpoint you have
legitimate ones obviously yeah if there's a legitimate one yes they're they're evaluated on a case-by casee basis cuz I know a lot of these contractors will come in and they'll lowball bid stuff get their foot in I mean if they have history you guys Ru them out right off the bat pretty much right to a
degree I'll defer to Al on that I I don't know if if we've had a past history where it's it's detrimental yeah typically when you get to the point where you can rule them out there has to be been some past breach of contract between the township and the vendor or
some type of litigation between the township and the vendor um other than that I mean you wouldn't be able to disqualify them I mean you can certainly question them about the bids or if it looks like it's off and you think they may be low baiting you can kind of question them about that but you couldn't just outright disqualify them
unless they met those promis so they would do that like during the pre-bid process or whatever pre-bid meetings stuff like I mean I've seen times where bids will come in and something might look suspiciously low and someone will call just to verify that it's accurate and that would be the engineering pretty much to to overse that right we work
with the solicitor on if there's a a question on the bid we if it's like a legal type thing maybe if they bond you know something looks wrong with their bond or something it might come from the attorney's office if it's a more technical type thing it might come more from the engineers office just to verify that that's what they meant to put on there so I mean we pretty much haven't
had a history of that happening too much so right not recently the goal is when we put out the plans that we evaluate everything to the point where we're anticipating we should not get a change order unless like you said there you're going to get unforeseen things I mean that's understandable I realize that all
right well thanks I appreciate it thank D anyone else on this this ordinance and this ordinance only seeing no hands can I get a motion to come out a public hearing for this ordinance motion I'll second all in favor I any opposed
hearing none we're out of public all right I need a motion to approve ordinance 225-0488 yes Mr Smith I Mr Jenny I Mr lion I that is approved that ordinance all
right moving on see ordinance 2025-the of engineers in and for the town ship as this is also on second reading we need a public hearing can I have motion to go into public I'll make a motion can I have a second second all in favor I any
opposed hearing none we're in public for ordinance 2025-the spitch williamj 518 Brown Del Ran uh did we not give or sign over in the prior Administration $250,000 to the core of
engineers in the year 2024 I I I don't recall if we did or we didn't on the 250,000 all I know is on this ordinance right here we have to give uh we have to give the 250,000 for the soil erosion before the Army Corps
will put up their 250,000 we don't put ours up first we're at a standstill all right then uh question when was the feasibility agreement signed I I don't know that
date have to when is the feasibility study to be completed I I don't have that in front of me up to the Army Court engineer is it now okay so when I'm going to step in real quick the date that they have given
to the township September 2026 2026 when is the project management plan to be addressed Mr engineer that's part of the the process they're going through they're in the process of doing the design currently is there a a drop dead date on that one well that that's all
it's all within that September 2026 time what is the cost sharing agreement that has been agreed upon between the core of engineers and Del Ran Township I can't speak to the dollar amount but it's a 50-50 split it's a 50-50 split what is the current amount of
federal funds appropriated for this study I don't know that dollar me well for this particular ordinance is $250,000 for but for the complete St about this ordinance right here okay all right all right we'll move on when the this study is approved will
it require the Township to seek a bond for the pro for the completion of the project for this portion right here once we put for the we put up our 250 they put up their 250 then that's what we're putting up for this ordinance and this
ordinance own and final question who is the current project manager out of the Philadelphia office for this particular project um I don't know if Ed remembers the replacement Joel Joel Dome say it again Joel Dome and do you have a number
is he on Art Street in P in Philadelphia I can check his contact information but all right can I see you after the meeting and you can pass on that name sure is that a yes yeah okay very well sir thank you sir thank you we because
the the project manager moved on so there was a new one I I we met the gentleman that moved on is there anyone else on this ordinance and this ordinance only yes sir Steve G again uh Notre Dame
okay so are you the point person for this the engineer can the public I don't have a flooding issue but I feel for the residents here can they um for transparency purposes can they see your plan of attack you're waiting for this then you're going to move on to something else can they see that so we
can kind of cut down on information oh add some information so we they can form better questions the township is not preparing the plan that is being done by the Army Corps okay so we're going to wait for them and then they'll have this plan of attack they'll great um but any questions that we can
direct towards you otherwise thank you thank you that's it thank you anyone else on this ordinance and this ordinance only seeing no hands can I have motion to come out of public for this ordinance I'll make a motion second so
move all in favor I any opposed hearing none we're out of public all right need a motion for ordinance 2025 -05 I make a motion okay second second roll call Mr Morrow yes Mr Smith I Mr
Jenny I Mr lion I ordinance is approved all right moving on ordinance 225-0686 okay motion to go into public oh we have public on that yeah it's second read have a second I'll second all in favor I
I any opposed hearing none we're open to public hearing on ordinance have a second I'll second all in favor I I any opposed hearing none we're out of the public can I get a motion approving ordinance 2025-the
I Mr lion I all right moving on ordinance 20258 and ordinance amending section 20 - 45b of the code of the township of DeLand to authorize the recreation advisory committee to solicit funds and
donations this is also in second reading so we need a public hearing can I have a motion to go into public I make a motion you have a second so move all in favor I any opposed hearing none we're in public for 2025 d08 and
20258 only anybody wants to comment or on this raise their hand quick again quick um Steve gr Notre Dame thank you very much for approving this um this is a really good plan to help uh offset
uh cost by the residents and help us uh raise some money uh for all the causes we're actually going to add services and um additional things to all the events we added an additional event uh which is uh 08075 can sing which is an awesome uh
new new event that we have going on it's going to be pretty awesome the uh it's going to be a vocal competition uh the winner is going to be opening at the um Del red night out as the first act before the other bands come on um and
the previous shows from another I don't know if they're called vendor another platform or company that's a Grassroots kind of thing they have someone going to the Nationals uh for the vocal competition and someone's going to be on America's Got Talent so this is a very professional uh event that we're having
and I suggest people go to uh doy to see the um the playoffs I guess you call it for sports the um what do you call them sweet 16 thank you um so I I want to thank you I'm the vice chair of the rack so I help put this together and thank
you to our solicitor also and and the mayor and his wife and um they're all very instrumental in helping us put that together so I look forward to uh doing this I appreciate it awesome thank you thank you okay anyone else seeing no hands I
need a motion to come out of public please I make a motion have a second second roll call oh I'm sorry all in favor I any opposed hearing none we're out of public can I get a motion to approve ordinance
20258 motion have a second I'll second roll call Mr marrow yes Mr Smith I Mr Jenny I Mr lion I okay moving on we have an ordinates on first
reading ordinance 20259 Bond ordinance authorizing supplemental funding for the comple of utility improvements Creek Road line exension and the Su of 300,000
the issuance of General obligation bonds or Bond anticipation notes of County of Burlington newers and the aggate of principal amount not to exceed 300,000 making certain determinations and Covenants and authorizing certain
related actions in connection with the foro um just real quick this is the project um there's no sewer going up to their Farmers against h is and that's going to get the water and silver
connected there and then the byproduct of this um hey this is a lot of it account project yeah do you want me to elaborate yeah you can and just let me say there's there's three homes along there that don't have city sewer and not
that we're going to pay for them to connect to the system but it's going to be a big benefit for those three homes so desire to connect into that sewer so it helps them with resale not having a
sep system or anything that and that's um I believe those three homes are still Anderson family which us to that land yes you can a little bit on that yeah so it was an extension from the uh around near where the bridges up to the rainbow
Meadows uh Park which ultimately the county is um has Improvement plans um for that eventually um so the projects were involve in around that and then the houses that are in between those two points would have the ability to connect to public sewer and they would get they
would get a stub out essentially to the property line and everything else is from on their end thank you um can I get a motion to approve ordinance 20259 motion I'll second can roll call
Mr marrow yes Mr Smith I Mr Jenny I Mr lion I all right moving on consent agenda resolutions 2025 65 authorizing the issuance of duplicate tax sale
certificate for BB 316 Investments LLC resolation 22566 approving a raffle license 665 and 666 number for one love animal rescue group resolution 20256 7 amending
resolution 2024 188 authorizing change order number two Brown Street ball Field improvements and then authorizing the payment of bills including all purchases made Under The Cooperative purchasing agreement may I have a motion please
motion I'll second roll call please Mr marrow yes Mr Smith I Mr Jenny hi Mr lion I thank you very much present agenda is approved uh now we'll move to public comment can I have a motion to go
into public please I make a motion have a second all in favor any opposed hearing none we're going to open up the public comment once again rules of the Quorum if you wish to be heard raise your hand you'll be
recognized by the chair all comments should be directed to the chair and everyone will be given five minutes of time um and all comments uh will be part of the public record both uh video and written and
cannot be redacted so at this time anybody has any um uh public comment raise your hand you'll be recognized yeah yes don't touch the
M pad palmerin 21 Alden Avenue thank you um so I was reading back a few uh minutes and I saw that we're going to have aerial mosquito control when is that going to
begin I don't know the date is something that the Mr Mayor the mayor is the one who said he I remember the exact I don't remember what the exact date was yeah I I wouldn't know the exact date it's something with that we do every year we do I've never known us to do aerial I
guess I missed it is there a certain area in town or is it the whole town um I believe it's a whole town Ed you have any no I yeah if I if I can just say uh Tom I if I remember correctly they were just targeting areas
near the swamp lands I think somewhere down um usually along the river edges um where the mosquitoes they're not going to go down like when we were kids the mosquito truck went down every neighborhood if you remember come on well it says AAL so the same age as me you remember that but I don't think I
think they target they don't just hit the whole town I think if it's the marsh lands if I'm not mistaken okay I was just curious I saw that um the sustainable grant that we applied for what are we going to use it
for is the green the green team gra it's called the sustainable Sustainable New Jersey yes they'll be used for planting uh and uh services from the green team that they provide okay um we had a a
resolution for um it was 2025-the that the pickle ball are you if you're referring to the LG application that was made that was for the the pickle ball that was discussed a few meetings back and that we've had some discussions that that pickle ball court might not go there
might go well my comment to that I don't want you using my time um my comment to that is if I Mis Mis I could be mistaken but once you apply for a grant like that to the state and you are granted the grant for Summer Hill Improvement you
can't just say oh no we're going to use it for Conroe Road and put our pickle ball court there is that correct or am I wrong that that is something that we would ask if we were to receive the grant you would ask what we would ask we would ask DCA if that would be something that could be utilized at different Park
location since it's the same Improvement okay thank you um the other thing is Tom Maro mentioned a couple well when he got uh sworn in the first meeting that he would like to see you going back to three meetings a
month has there been any further discussion uh it we did and what we're waiting on is to we have a a a permanent administrator because right now Jamie's doing three jobs of the tax the clerk
and the yes I understand that so what's the yes no you sometime in the future we are going to do it but we're going to wait till we have a permanent administrator okay with that being said I went back just quickly the S before I came here tonight like 6 eight months
and having been on Council in the past and kind of Tom kind of alluded a little bit to this tonight um we had those meetings three and things were discussed I see all these resolutions and ordinances and there's no
discussions about them in minutes there's nothing on an agenda that you're going to have a discussion about say the home inspection okay there was nothing ever on an agenda that you were going to talk about it we don't
know anything about it till you pass the resolution so when are you talking about it tonight no no no no excuse me no when was the idea born and when did you guys discuss I think this is a good idea and we should have a
resolution do you want me to answer because you're almost out of time yeah I want you to answer okay um this actually was born in the fall late fall early winter of last year we talked about this and it carried over into this year um
because of some of the issues that we were having like you said with the flippers and and well not you said but we have issues with that so the Genesis of it from my recollection was late in 2024 well my point is I'm not seeing it
on an agenda to be discussed amongst the the general public before you then put it to a resolution and as I said I'm went back about 6 eight months and I don't even see an agenda that's worth anybody coming to a meeting for and unless they
you're putting a resolution out then people are coming we should all be knowing about the conversation prior so I don't know when you're having it but it should be public thank you yes one more you you have three questions for me just state your name
one more time they're going to build on what um Pat just was speaking about uh Steve G Notre Dame drive again so the three questions um this is context and data that you will need to make your decisions that you should already have and uh I forget the guy's name from the township
coding bill um so you're gonna have to find out what exact statistics and data that you saw to develop this new ordinance that shows that there are existing safety issues or gaps not that other towns have done this you're going to have to look at this individual data for this town um also number two is how
many fires floods or collapses have occurred that weren't covered by a homeowners insurance policy because that's a question that you might ask um you know that's not going to be covered under homeowners we have to protect the residents you know I understand where that's coming from um but I have not heard I've been insurance commercial
insurance uh for over 15 years and we don't hear about that they usually cover them they don't Sue anybody or deny in the degree that you may think it's not very common um and also number three is how many complaints or lawsuits have occurred due to the work that was done without a permit and then again if it's
a rental property situation you already have a very lengthy 16-page ordinance that's very uh well put together that's going to deal with that and also flippers for Investments they're also included under that and I have put together a whole bunch of Solutions on how you can track that how you can find
out if there uh if there a flipper um an investor I have at least 10 things that you can track that other townships use and also 10 Solutions to force them uh to enforce the codes that you have on the books here so if you look at that data um I don't think you're going to find uh a great amount of problems with
just regular uh homeowners uh the single and two family homes and it's probably stemming and coming more from the investment properties so I can provide that to you I'm not going to go over uh that here maybe at the next meeting when you recreate and have another first reading or a second reading um or I could submit them to you um they're very
good solutions that other towns do use I've been in the construction real estate business insurance business for like listen 30 4 years information that we can get and can forward it I'd like to help de mayor or Bill lunman and we'll get it to the he knows I'm good
for the data Barnes can tell you I'm a nerd I'm a nerd with this stuff I know a lot of stuff thank you hang on one second okay one more one more Notre Dame Drive the grant that you got are you guys working on that still the Notre Dame Drive Grant to connect the
community park to not Park I forgot to ask all the last meetings quickly you can stay in the time frame I have a meeting next week with do to discuss the the project okay I'll talk to you next time about it or whenever thank you yeah Mr gr Mr Gro yes uh just a comment um
what was I GNA say uh we just mentioned Solutions sorry the solutions the data maybe the data on that you're looking to problem no problem I'll be around
thank you anyone else yes ma'am Patricia Griffith 518 Brown I'm here as a rack member I just wanted to make sure we get on the record that we're having our egg hunt and it's going to be Saturday April 12th if it rains
we're going to have it the next day hopefully it doesn't rain uh let's see there's going to be egg hunts there's going to be prizes there's going to be the Easter Bunny and we have it set up by age groups and we're going to have them go at different times so they won't be able chaos so they won't
be able to like one age group at a time so they aren't all going at the same time so it lasts more than 60 seconds and I just want to make sure we get that in there so uh anybody's watching knows to come out we'll have a good time yeah it is it's a it's a blast Miss Griffin if you could just tell us what time that
event going to be taking place time is let me see if I can make this bigger yep begins at 11: we're going to have three age groups 2 to 4 5 to 7 8 to 11 uh we're going to have a special needs section you can bring your own
basket and come and join the fun and Easter bunny be there and we'll have some games and there'll be lots of prizes there's a lot of donated prizes so every age group is going to have several prizes it's a hoot yeah so it should be good yes thank
you anyone else yes sir one quick thing it's a good thing Dave solder 206 I just like to thank Lynn and the Green Team I don't see anybody else here is there from the Green Team T yeah they did a hell of a job back at the Lakes last week my grandson and my son were back
there and they live in camenson but they helped out and I'll tell you what you guys have got a lot of trash up and I I had the opport to sit on a meeting last week and I'm very impressed with their dedication to this town and what they're doing to try to keep you know everything up as much as
they can so it should be commended I just thought they should be recognized thank you sir anyone else yes sir hi everybody Gary cap from bone 261 Burning Tree Road I just think it's it's important to mention uh for there's a
lot that goes on at these meetings and uh some of them are the numbers are can be frightening I want to remind everybody that the numbers that you're authorizing are not necessarily dollars spent but you're authorizing them to be spent because the process is such that
you have to uh authorize the money before you can put it out to bid is that that correct that's you still remember the process close enough either one of you you both look very intelligent most yeah if you you have to have that you have to
have the money available if so it's it's a plan and changes happen as was just evidenced by 20124 188 for Brown Street there was a significant decrease in that but you had the money available if if you should need it uh the other thing
that I just wanted to mention was that um people were talking about the expenses and these projects are certainly they are certainly expensive and I I would just remind folks that there are no bargain vendors that are going to come in at 40% off or 90% off
that doesn't happen and if they do they typically won't be doing the same job as the folks that do this day in and day out so I thank you all for your time and dedication thank you thank never anyone
else seeing No Hands kind I get a motion to come out of public please so move have a second no second all in FA favor any opposed hearing none we're out of public all right um we'll go to
reports I did see Joe Cunningham but he left left I don't see anyone else from emergency services or anything like that uh Matt no you're good um boards and committees I do not
see anybody um next up oh I'm sorry RAC did I think they kind of covered it RAC with their things thank you very much um next up our inum
administrator Miss Jamie Edgars no I have nothing to report tonight um Ed will probably touch on this later during his report but we do have bid opening for Leon on Thursday very good that's all I have next up mayor baren Hutchin thank you I will uh I'll be brief um
want to start by thanking everybody this uh 20 2507 um I want you to know all of us up here hear you and I know that uh there's a few people that offered to give additional information and please bring it to my office to Jamie and to anyone
else here um the rec committee Steve actually brought this up but I was going to bring it up tonight so we have a contest coming up it's called 08075 can sing what this is is it's a competition
that is going to offer somebody the opportunity to open Del Ran's night out that's a 30 minutes of singing so somewhere in this area we have an untapped talent and we would love to see
them come out the auditions are going to be on April 23rd at dunies in Del Ren um there is a website for you guys so that you can sign up for that um if you can spread the word we would love to see as
many many you know local people come out and try for this and that's all I have for now all right thank you um Emergency Services we we already called you but you guys weren't here do you got anybody back there have a report I don't think so sir
very good thek but it's lovely seeing you thank you um next up solicitor Al Mara nothing additional Mr President uh next up engineering Ed all right so I got I got a list um so the uh first thing Jamie stole my
thunder Leon is receiving bids on Thursday um the next item do we want to talk about the BNG so um Riverside um reached out to to uh both the police uh
Jamie and and myself regarding some work that's uh going to be taking place starting is it next next week 31st yeah so they they have record wested the township um allow for truck traffic specifically approximately 6 to eight
tractor trailers um a day to utilize Panos Boulevard which currently has a 5 ton weight restriction on it um for the duration of the project they're they're looking at approximately three weeks while they replace an 8 in gas main um
on on bridgeboro street and the county um is requiring them to do a full closure versus doing alternating traffic um so we wanted to bring it to your attention um on on how you guys would like them to
proceed well I have some concerns that only reason because we on pan because we have a lot of bus traffic a lot of students are picked up there um and different ones we have special needs pickups I what what did you say the time
was again is it 7 to 7 7 A.M to 5m. okay there there will be officers at least one officer from the township stationed at the intersection of pan Co and bridgeboro um I think there there may be another one recommended down at the
intersection of uh Fairview Street and and panco should this um be permitted I I will preface it with this um they their other option is to go to do which is a minimum 6 to 8 week uh lead time to
get a per The Detour if they're going detour off of Route 130 see Ed what you're saying is tractor trailers that they need to for the project or this is tra no just just tra trails that may go towards you no that go down uh
bridgeboro Street towards Riverside do we know do we have did was any traffic study done to figure that out no this is just we just found out about LNO I talk that briefly and 're saying six day trucks we have no way to
tomorrow between 7 and 9:00 a.m. just do a quick but I don't I have no idea what I mean do you share some concerns with me on this I mean I I I the Fairview Street pan Coast is is you know crosswalks we have a students you know we talked about
the crossing guard issues and and and then we're and the amount of traffic that goes down Fairview street now if we're diverting it off of Bridge barel to pan Coast to Fairview man that's a hell a lot of traffic dude I mean the amount of Tru trucks and stuff that go down Fairy Street is far
more than goes down bridgeboro I just I'm just saying I have concerns of the of the safety of the kids and so forth out there and that's my concern with this all right so just so I'm clear you're going to close pan Co or pan Co
is going to be used to divert the traffic P Panos would be utilized to just detour the trucks they're planning on using Whitaker Street to detour all the um you know regular Vehicles so they work it's going to be open you're just going to have tractor trailers
potentially we don't know whether it's six or 60 correct going down that road and it could be during the school hours I sh I share your concerns and also concern another concern I have Ed is the turn ratio I mean those streets
weren't designed for tra trailers I mean I know coming off the bridge bar on the pan Coast it's a bed excuse my French people it's a bit but and coming I'm not kidding you it's it's to turn your car on the pan Coast off the bridgeboro top um when you have somebody going from pan Coast to
bridgeboro I'm like you know where I'm talking about it's it's a tight corner there I I just have concerns those words were not designed for tractor TRS I understand the predicament that they're in but I have to and I think we all agree with this it's a concern of resid so when when you say go to
do right that just delays the project so from my understanding they had originally had a plan in place at the end of last year it was denied by the county so then they came back with the detour plan and realized that they had to utilize pan CO as of what yesterday
afternoon yes um for for truck spe they can't go down Whitaker Street so do we have the option to deny the stand plan excuse my French I believe that's what we're asking okay all right well because and
and then what becomes the option so that's that's the the point I was trying to make so I spoke to Kelly who's who's the the project manager for this um and ultimately their other option is probably do which my understanding is
the you know that that's going to put them back two months probably at least and question if they're going to go pen Co to Fairview why don't they just go 130 to Fairview that's that would require do involvement well my concern is you know we've we've
repaired more roads in the last four years than any council's ever done and I don't want to see any more roads damaged by heavy traffic like that it's not rated for that kind of traffic is it it is it is limited to five ton limit I I have a real problem
with that plus the safy issues right and and what was the issue with the alternating the the traffic so I I believe the in speaking to psng the location where their proposed trench would be in relation to their equipment wouldn't provide the minimum width of
the road for them to even just do alternating traffic or even single Direction traffic so that so the county came back and said now you need to D work okay thanks we're have to discuss that more that's for damn sure um goad I didn't finish so um
sticking with sticking with psng um so I also spoke to Kelly about the millside neighborhood so as um I alluded to last year um both psng and New Jersey American Water are going to be coming in ahead of the road program
to replace their their Mains and their services within that neighborhood so that includes and I will read the list of the road so I don't misspeak which includes uh Suburban bulevard Rucker Drive Dartmouth Drive hoolio Drive pen drive and Princeton
drive so all new gas means all new water mains all new Gas and Water Services were required um and psng is anticipating starting right after Easter so they're anticipating on being in there for two months um New Jersey
American water has uh in my most recent meeting with them TR they're going to try and either stagger it or piggy back right off of them and they're probably going to be a similar time frame and then ultimately we'll be coming in there with the road program for this year what they do the work repa the course of
repaving the road so the the roads itself this year within that neighborhood are not going to be resurfaced so Suburban would be part of next year's Road Road program anticipated however those remaining five roads within the development would be paved by the utilities via their Road
opening permits that they're getting with the township and I mean I'm sorry tomor I'm sorry um and arming obviously notices will go out to those residents um and um we all know what this looks like so it's it's not a prisy you just go through neighboring town to see how this we've
had it done here obviously but it's not a pry it is it is going to be a disturbance to the neighborhood um our office is going to be sending out a notification letter um identifying what I just spoke about and also notifying the residents in those neighborhoods that the road programs come behind it
that the road is going to be chopped up uh for for a bit um so there there is one other thing I I wanted to touch upon um better be happy yeah I'm waiting for good news here we got approval from do to go out
to bid for phase two of steuart Aben so um there is one other item I think I wanted to touch upon oh I I guess we can um um I guess I'll touch upon Greenwood real quick um Riverside is under underway with the
design um they were coordinating with our office uh the mayor's office and and Jamie um on progress on that so other than that I believe that is it for for my report thank you I think all
right next we move the council members will go far right councilman Maro please thank you uh council president Tom um few things April 1 branches and leaves can go to the curbs U Public Works will be out collecting that stuff so um this
week will be a good week to start getting this stuff together um I met with the mayor Le FR and we walked down sweds Lake he was um going we were walking with Jamie and um looking at some improvements that he's uh interested in doing I think it's um a
real um interesting project and I think it's something that would really be cool and he has a great vision for it and um I enjoyed the walk we took that day even though it was windy and cold it was really cool um also um I want to thank the residents who speak up tonight um I want to thank
Steve for calling me on the phone um I appreciate um and the you two Steve um it's always great to have residents feedback to us um it's how we can make some decisions U and how we can take in some information um I appreciate that um because the more I hear from you and the
more I can base my decisions on and and and dig for more information that I might not know um Pat I know you spoke about twice a month work sessions and such uh why we're going back and and and to your point um discussing ordinances and things like that that's a big part
of what I like to discuss and we did used to do that and and that's something we're going to get back to we're all in agreement with that that's why we had that discussion on that ordinance tonight on the the 25 you know with the housing inspections and and so forth so um you know I don't think going to blow
through anything anymore you know we're just going to look at things and and discuss them and that's how I like it done so that's why we're going to do that and everybody on board agrees with that and and I think it's a good thing I also want to thank Council for their um their backing me on the pan Co situation
that's something that we obviously needs needs to be looked at um also the rec I um I was at the rec committee a meeting last Thursday um I was there with the mayor and Lynn and um I just want to say what a passionate group of
people um and they're in there for a good two hours and I two and a half hours it was um really um interesting to see how they work together and try to get their ideas out and uh formulate that into something really nice for the community also we met like I was speaking earlier with the police this
week um Matt and Ed I spoke to um the gentleman that filled in for you I think a week or last time about the crossing guard um situations and looking at that so um whenever you get some free time uh take uh you know ride with the police department because they're and and identify some of those areas so we can
move ahead with that too I appreciate that okay um and that's all I have for tonight everybody thank you thank you next up councilman Smith yeah thank you so much just be real brief uh you know April is National volunteer month there are a lot of great events that are
happening around town um there's plenty of things that we're doing we have the uh as was mentioned earlier we have the Easter egg hunt uh so if you're interested in helping out and being around some uh kids at Del Community Park uh you know please uh you know make
sure you talk to the folks to make sure you can find R we also um you know also want to just shout out the green team they do such a great job throughout the year but I know that there's going to be additional events that are happening uh in the month of April if you can please
get out and uh do so and as U councilman marrow mentioned uh April 1st is the date you can start putting out any of those um know treat branches other kinds of um items you might have in your yard that um you know DPW will come by and pick up so just wanted to uh make
mention of that and that's the end of my report councilman jet thank you council president uh uh thank you Mr stutter for uh mentioning the cleanup uh we did a green team did a cleanup this past weekend we had about 30 uh individuals
come out to help we uh cleaned up the The Wildflower micro fars AKA Jug Handle uh and I was by there today and was trash on the ground already uh you know we just have to try to convince our residents to stop throwing crap out the
windows of their vehicles it's it's just disgusting also we did Lake Lonnie we had well we had 22 bags big bags of trash at plus a tire and something else over at the The Wildflower microforest and at Lake Lonnie we had 29 bags of
trash that was collected uh thank you for all the volunteers uh Cub Scout Pack uh 70 from cinon uh joined us they set up tents and had little uh fire pit going and they were practicing chopping wood and stuff like that it was really
cool they were they came in uniform and uh they really did a nice job um also police hiring uh anyone who knows there any young people who are interested in law enforcement please contact us and we'd love to talk to you
and as you know was explained it's a long process but with the right people it could be a great career uh because we have a hard time getting people you know everybody does right now uh infrastructure uh performance a comment was made that
Delan is is going down and you know our infrastructure is not good it's really inaccurate we paved more roads and did more sewer uh Remediation in the past four years any council's ever done in this Township uh currently we have an
old Township and some areas like Riverside Park are the oldest Parts uh we have plans and uh we're getting engineering you know plans to uh go out and make those changes but we can only do a little bit of time the comment was made about the money we're spending we
do watch what we spend and uh we are paying a lot of attention to that area right now so there's a lot been done in our community and we'll continue to do so that's my report thank you thank you counc Jenny and and my report I'll also be brief um like to Echo that we do have
an amazing group of volunteers from all different areas um that help out run this town we couldn't do it without them that's what makes the town great if we didn't have all these volunteers you wouldn't have as many of
these activities and things and not to beat the dead horse but the Easter egg hunt man it is fun that the kids have blast the hardest part is keeping them in their lean but you know what it's it's still a lot of fun so if you can get out to see
that or if you have kids grandkids take advantage of it it really is a great event um and I uh just a shout out to our Emergency Services they do a great job um they were in my neighborhood a few weeks back did a great job our
police department and it it if we can get some more officers in that would be great and I I do believe we need not only only the police department but you know all our departments if we can get the start and wage up and do a better job with getting people in and then
incentivizing them staying by treating them right we have great department heads that do a good job that treat our people right um so we can keep this town running in the right direction and um once again we do appreciate all the
input um from folks with information Back stories stuff like that um people have been longtime residents they they have that history that somebody like myself does not um only being here about 15 15 years now that sneaks up on you um
but now we do we do really appreciate it and that's my report and at this point I will take an emotion to adjourn pleas I I got one I remember my last thing I apologize it better be nice Army Court we got an update from Army Corps they got slightly delayed on another project
they will be tentatively coming into town the week 410 to do their geotechnical work very good perfect thank you can I get a motion to adjourn please motion can I second all in favor I all oppos hearing none motion adjourned