was one do you know why the DraStic change up in 2017 it was okay let's go to 2018 it was 16800 and then U yeah I didn't have time to look into those that details and it would probably be like in the basement to pull what exactly those depis it now there's no finds good evening everyone and that's a fund account that not general f it's a special Revenue so it doesn't to with General it stays in library account it's like a revolving we'll call the uh March 28th 2024 finance committee meeting to order and the listing of matters are those reasonably anticipated by the chair which may be discussed at the meeting not all items listed May in fact be discussed and other items not listed may also be brought up for discussion to the exent permitted by law no SEL um I'd like to call to order on the select portion of this meeting it's March 28th um we are at prime time um this meeting is being recorded can I take a rooll so good evening m h is present nle pres stand for the pledge of the United States of America the stands na indice go a little little out of water today and start with the assessors 14 okay so um I'm just going to R through what my budget's all about so um um we level funded um our board members the chairman and the two members nothing changed from last year um principal assessor um was increased by 2 and a half% um on that line you also see contract negotiation realtor fee that should be crossed out originally everything was combined into one line so we split it between um that line and the line it's a new line for this year coming um so education stien and um my contract is going to be renegotiated on the end of June but um in my current contract um I need to we agreed that I would have my real estate license um active and so we can access MLS because that's what we use for our sales so um I want to to see if I could negotiate that those fees into um the contract coming up so I know I had to put in anything that I wanted to add okay so um the assistant assessor um increased the from the Union contract um the clerk we're um looking to get um a clerk in there ASAP so this would be um the salary for the person um for um now and FY well shows us the the hourly amounts for both um over time we kept it at um $500 same as last year professional and Technical which would be um classes for um my office and also any board members um remain the same um map updates there was increase in the annual cost and also with this being our five-year recertification um the do look they like you to snaz things up so they she said that um I I priced out how much it would CA to have our neighborhood they want neighborhood codes and colored in and and our pencil that we use the L 5 years ago aren't good anymore so they want us to go digital we have digital the the GIS maps but they want the neighborhoods to be coated different colors so um I pric that out but I'm not sure if we need to do it so I just have it in here just in case so I talk to her again I'll see if I can and what part of that was the color coding um the $1,800 okay and so it would be another overlay on our GIS maps so it' be a one time 1800 um next line um I increased it by 2,000 because of our um recertification there's going to be a lot more U work that needs to be put in from our consultant so um that's where the 2,000 there comes from um 8,000 remained the same for um appraisals opposite size remain the same um any mileage professional development was 800 remain the same and our um dues and subscriptions to our local and our state uh organization that the same what is the wireless cable valuation $2,000 is that specific to this department or is that a wireless cable that is subscription for the no it well it is the consultant we use to Value it they have it broken out by the wireless well it is that through the 504 Public Utilities appraisal and the wireless cable valuation so it breaks it out on I don't know if you have that we do so it's from RC that's the company we use to do personal property that's the that's how much they get paid to do both the wireless so their evaluation comes to the town not to the state correct and then the town forwards it yes um so it's in his uh in their um computer programming or whatever they don't have the color coded no no do you use drones or do they use drones to do their evaluations um we have the near map they don't they actually go into every they get the list of every business and they oh you you mean like sorry they do our personal property so they that's why they're they've increased also because they have a lot places they have to go into everything this for this 5 years where normally they probably just go into you know they probably break it up between you know 400 say you know a year but um they have to go into everything um the wireless commun they it's a certain it's a they have their own method on how they do it used the state used to do it but then they stopped so now rrc we pay them to do what the state did so it's like their own method it's like a packet for so what I'm hearing is there are two State mandates incured cost of the town and know reur from the state yes than so I I'm little confused this map what is this map business the computer science element or what is this it is what we use our GIS maps um that we already have okay so we pay um we update them yearly so there's a fee and uh like a maintenance fee and a a user fee is the two fees you have to pay an update every year yeah so when we have new um splits combines everything that we get anything new happening we send all that information off what is the interim valuation what is that interim is the years in between the um the fiveyear recertification oh oh so every year is it's in between the recertification so if there's no changes year to year which isn't very likely right right people buy houses of change ownership um and the wireless e caal you explain that explain that again what is that um that is a report that comes from the the people that do our personal property they have a way of they get the formalist and in their inventory and they they do something with it and we get our report back of what the values are from them I don't really know behind if I could do it I would but I don't really know um but shouldn't you know I mean I'm not trying to be critical but you know what all these elements are in some detail I know what they are I just don't know how they get how they compile that information that I give them so if you were find out suppos somebody um not me but somebody pinned you down for more details would you be able to find those details yeah I could reach out and and get information if it's something I don't know I that's how I go about getting back to the person information all right thank you yeah guessing that the our Real Estate research Consultants that's there's probably not too many people on the state that do that the person um we've been using has been do for over 30 years so and does all the surrounding Somerset seock taunt no not Berkeley so for 30 years happens when reti I don't know I didn't hear from him this weekend I said oh my God I am he said I said [Music] okay you mentioned clerk right now you don't have um we have a candidate we're just um working on the recommendation that within our question I've got in regards to the education sty part of it being the MLS fees is that part of the stien as opposed to professional and Technical just because it's related to her license so I'm going to create a new line for everybody with to take out um the education Sten so the is already in her contract and then because she was wanting to negotiate more that has to do with education I put it in that line okay um but I could easily I mean it's a bottom line budget in the end so 26 if we need to rearrange that good where in this budget are the fees for the assesses to upgrade their certification aren't they required to take courses and um the board members no they only have to take the 101 that's the only required course and they all have taken it or they wouldn't be able to sign off on the tax rate and all that information on on Gateway so they're all up to date and there's no fees involved no we just course get a sign on at the do and at our own pce oh we do the course 101 is actually 10 modules right and so you do each module uh and you don't have to take them in order okay thank you one more question on that so you said you nanc you said they could you can do the modules at your own pace is there a time frame if you have to have your certification within your first year on the uh committee or the term certification is really not applicable to the elected officials um we are required of the 10 modules there are two that must be completed before we set the tax rate so um after the let's say after the fall town meeting all assesses the new assesses should have already completed those two courses or they can't participate um when you talk certification as an assessor you're talking somebody that probably does this for a living and the man that helps us that's what he does uh and he's a we call him a our tax expert whatever comes up uh he's the one that answers the questions um to actually become a fully certified assessor it takes a long time and if you're an elected official in office for three years doesn't make much sense to go through that because there's no guarantee you're going to be elected again and But but so this gentleman is is certified and is a professional so um you are you so you must complete two modules in order to participate in setting the tax rate you have two years from the date of your election to complete the whole module okay and how many members on the meeting on the board three thank you any questions for the do you have any more questions stor [Music] water [Applause] 1 over pull somebody over no no good evening everyone good even I've said it before and it's there's no different this year guys one of the most inating committees I face here it's as you are the n b of the town and a lot of people don't realize what you guys do we thank you for that on storm water here the drastic changes you see um on the full timeline it's reflecting some work anticipated be done on the Main Street project that's the fulltime carried over uh also in parallel with 422 on the office manager uh there's a completion on that wage study that was done plus long is considered as we reflected there and we change a little bit so both the fulltime line and the office manager line they coincide with the 422 so you have them Lo and that comes up the annual salary further down equipment maintenance and repair obviously we need to bump that up a little bit and that the other drastic change is on a contractual disposal uh we haven't done it yet we've been very neglectful uh we are moving forward with our stormm water issues uh some of them are developments to have these underground uh systems that require vacuum service truck V truck we haven't done them yet they should be done annually so we like to Kickstart them and approach getting that under control before it comes very costly so that takes care of 422 so that's something you got to contract out to together it yes regarding Stone water are there any income generating streams to the developers that want to go through the process or is that just simply through the permitting process income that that's we only h on permits as far as receipts Revenue into the town cor yeah that's that's permitting process and how do I permits compare to other communities higher lower I I I don't I can't find that out you know we're spending time here talking about closing a deficit of 250,000 we talking about cuts and budgets so you could at some point talk about generating Revenue so it could be two strong work Ms this year it could be zero it's not a high volume okay so would you like me to to Canvas the communities on snow M value yes money's money and it not always come out of the tax P bucket that's why we looking for supplies and in in details is that something that's most mostly spent spring the details is anticipated with work project Main Street project and that's an unknown number you never know anytime we work on already have that in detail yeah so Main Street at this point we could potentially be working eight weeks could be more and also details on following up with stor storm storm water related storms and suppli device would that be something that you spend mostly in the spring yes and sometimes we could use that to make some small drainage upgrades as needed that that's a number that you don't know until after you you're cleaning the basins which we're starting now Identify some problems that have to like barel and po that would be something we need to address either with War out of C I have enough the end this year the attack and we be doing that this contractual disposal so um you're looking for the increase but we've only used 21% is that uh fair weather that's a my people thing which just um yes where the silence or the question storm water side of things is professional and Technical but SP to happy so say we have a problem some say I will pick on that one yeah uh they may need may be a need unen for Engineering Services okay A lot of times I can fix things in kind but sometimes you need Engineering Services and you need the engineer Services up front to so you have a sense of direction way to go for funding questions on 4:32 Mr chairman I just thought something um Mike the contract we have with Weston and Samson for Engineering Services yes so when they're doing a review for us obviously the owner of the project pays for the review yes so will uh Highway Department on storm water be able to use Weston and Samson if we need in-house engineering is it included in the the agreement we have not right now in the on call peer review in the on in the on call peer review is just for on Call peer review right now okay we need to work on that okay so if uh Mr Ferry finds that a particular Road in town has got to have some repairs but an engineer has to get involved yeah we just went through a separate process in the follow for those Engineers as well y oh oh yeah we do we do we do have a slate of those Engineers already on contracts that are different from the Western SS review okay thank you thank you joh done thank you un you want to go to highway now was done uh 422 okay thank you for changing the schedule around problem thank you first first question for you guys having any issues get supp again this year uh the actual care cases that just cement po especially if we go the blocks seem to be an issue it just done arve in pieces but not the complete bases it's a very limited SCE at this point that's not issue that's that's s so 42 similar with the four 32 uh on a Personnel that's including myself fulltime and office manager will split between the budgets and the office manager that reflects this after the invest ation with the weight study and L uh the other line that's new to us in s Sten that was working have the full-tim salary before to be clear um our accountant wanted to show that severly so we can follow that and that makes sense that's why you see that new number there down in the 70s lines um last year because of is Zer base and we don't know what we need to rent um you never know so I do anticipate rentals this year so the 5,000 would definitely be a good start we should be covering that to replenish that line that's usually what we had in the past traffic control public work line that increase here reflects the contract anticipated cost with the contract for the line painting for double Sol lines across the town that's that's uh jumps put it and that's fit it out through S uh they spin and change in industry in a type of paints too so that's limited noral oil base stuff like that uh down at the bottom replacement equipment that reflects both my office manager um computer system that one's quite equated and the one the back room for the the laptop system we mechanic that can't even we can't even update emails it can't even receive email so has to replace two units on electronics and I believe Mr M has the the note there for electronic issues have plan question uh Dr mechanic Texs so is that a new line miss that yes it is yes so Di has a a program I I'm sure Michael interrupt if I do it wrong I hope he does so they have a program similar to BPS and what out but because of the type of program the kids are required to be paid it's it's not parallel with like BP when not um so we need to have the availability to do that and it's not just during the school season it'll just be for one or two kids and it throughout the calendar year and that's what that's reflecting n non benefited does the program at the high school uh are they like half half school half job experience on the job yes yes they can't leave the school until 10:30 and I think every other week they have to go back for the full week it's it's a little complicated but uh it gives them basically a resume when they when it's done and they don't they have to qualify to make it out they like this year they really don't recommend the senior they'll jump down to the Juniors okay um and what's the pay rate that's to be determined at this point so you're looking for two student placements you said theying one at a time and these kids will do everything that's just mechanical stuff everything everything that we do except for operating a heavy equipment and triing yes yes okay so they they come down to the garage yes they they transport themselves okay does prevailing wage apply failing no will be at will by time yeah like I think when we did the calculation we did it at minimum wage a certain amount I can look to see yeah I don't believe doesn't apply I wouldn't think so there's no experience experience i' rather do it the other way they can't come this they accept our offer okay not a contract it's no well it's an agreement with the the school system yes but not with the individual student the student shows up actually interview process want to go through the whole thing for the experience yes no no issues insurance I'm just liability we would need to let our insurance know that does affect our employment counts especially with regards to workers compensation and so that so that would imp our sensus that we have to come work and would it matter them driving from school to the probably not I would imagine once they're actually on our property okay that's very good question yeah they own car insurance yeah everybody's drive to work yeah yeah that would be a requirement too that they have to be able to get themselves to be correct walking 5530 says increased with chlorinated yes that is the ciance with C roads the new yes that Stu last long no we have to use it you use some more expensive stuff epx so the old stuff was cheaper last launder but was bad for the environment and now this one one manufacturing country and he wrote the LA out Texas it I I know through through six months uh vehicle supplies maintenance time you looking at the percentage used yeah that something you do more in the when you get to the winter either or and Al they run parallel with equipment repair lines if you notice it should be in a negative see we're in negative so the the expenses are run parallel it's very hard to to separate that when the bills fly in you know just oil filters CU sometimes you give that the maintenance while you're repairing something else yeah so it just gets the bill gets paid one more traffic control what was the a big increase there for [Music] 2024 traffic control we went from uh actual expenditure in 23 about 1250 and then in actual expenditure almost dou definitely almost tripled so along with the paint problem there is painting that we can do to stop L crosswalks and paring Lots which machine has broke now you probably see orang articles that with that um instead of fing that all out oh so the big increase is the machine to buy no to buy the paint and it will we will be entertaining by machine is to be deter that's actually proposing 58 no took that out and that's where we put to 5870 we replac that with the computers because the dollar value was over 5,000 okay account yelled at me on that one she yell oh yeah she doesn't know [Music] yell the raised voice so it should be chman on the funding for the machine but it's an outo transfer well who knows maybe be entertained with the hearing transfer also cuz it's believe it's right around 8,000 in change excuse us now can we put one more question um how just equipment wise how is I know we tried to replace some of the stuff that's R away how's the rest of the equipment still still going backwards uh the annual application that we've been doing with the fluid film seems to be arresting a lot of the the r we still have a very agent Fleet out side The Rock um I believe the Capal is working on a plan if I he plan I suggest I encourage you to support whatever they come up with there should be at least a vehicle and then a piece of equipment for this year to wait is going to be compound the problem moving forward so that would lead to another question have you been involved in the capital outl commit is assuming is it still active and are you I believe it's not yet yeah this year I inning for town meeting we wanted to get to the First with free cash number we wanted to see and confirm where we are operationally but they have all the information on each vehicle the status of each vehicle they have all that information okay good so they will meet before abely yes which along with the TR fingers crossed we funded a truck last year yeah um Mexico is a hold up on Rails the Chassy uh got a phone call a few days ago it might be built in ail other than that they didn't know which brings up a point we that might do do we have to entertain if it's not ready the article yeah it's not ready this year do we have to revote there no I typically carry it for 3 years um but with that if we need to carry it a little bit longer till we actually get that's fine which doesn't affect the original question about how equipment doing now thank you any any questions on [Music] highway just while we're on that topic and and on the committee that would be coming up we would need to supply someone right so just something to keep in mind that yeah just really to we really wanted to get through the this introductory process in terms of just laying out where we are what has been proposed for the fy2 operational but obviously we have additional work to do um internally like a lot of the work to get here has really been dominating our efforts now that we have a better picture confirm picture where we are what we need to do we can now turn attention at the same time to plan for Capital as well 423 sure good to have microphone over thanks audio sorry I just as of today Tom do you know where we are exctly so we are negative 87367 67 and we're not going to have any more storms right Tom uh snow no snow no I'm sorry could I have that number one more time 87,3 67 thank you and you heard of no more snow netive snow and ice is the one one place you can go over legal we keep it at 50,000 so it doesn't affect your tax levy you if we raise it then we've got to keep it at the rat level yes I think way laid out is still working works well I've been the superintendent meeting where this is a h discussion some of them fund their budgets $500,000 and uh they're wondering why they have some other issues Financial commitments in inside the town so this is definitely working any questions on that or why St at the 50 no no we're going to get killed soon kind of too easy [Applause] on that yes all right uh forestry Tom forestry yeah so of course asol historically that was Jack program on now so it's line is that just a stien to uh the tree Warden elected elected okay and control they zero rece any questions on no is that the end for you no nope could just have a night of 429 and 435 4 29 435 pretty easy it's a small one that's mainly just the bir Bridge a dollar repair problems we have once in a while and also pay for El which is still assing has not hit it's not I will talk to the's office what was that time so it gives us availability to maintain a bridge both electrical or electrician okay that's pretty much what that they said it was not being lit yeah the the electrical bill is not hitting this oh yeah it's an internal thing that means so through March um $233 has been expensed for the energy through March yes that's the same as through December oh so think since then yeah oh okay yeah yeah this just I'll look into that one it's not millions of dollars but it's like Mr H every little bit counts J [Applause] any questions on that bridge no what was the last one time 43535 [Applause] trans so that's as you know we're restructuring this was part of the board Health this is part of that restructure now this is still going move around a little bit line should be reflecting the actual the present attendant didn't start at July 1st so and the current rate with the 2% consideration that should hit that correctly the overtime line I believe at this time should remain where it is uh because that would cover our guys if we have to cover that and if you walk away or whatever that would it's a high decision fill so it would be a long term the rental um to see we can the rental that number we can change that should be zeroed [Music] out okay for budgeting purposes the process of with a grant the rental is for container for the mattresses that Grant is providing a sh container container was ordered this week recyclables is a weird number to hit um there's still no end use it's still a mountain growing somewhere and you still need to dispose of it that's kind that's should fleat contractual with the tonage on the history of the tonnage that we have need office supplies and off supplies and stickers that correct yes even though the office supplies CU my office is assuming some of it that should cover can Rel made necessary that that's definitely enough that reduction is fine and 775 that's pretty much what the stick is cost to you anticipated that sorry did you have a question yes I do transfer station it's a revenue generating facility correct it generates income yes what happens to that income and is how is it reflected in this budget it's it's not reflected uh as an Enterprise at this time to the to General okay so where does the money go I'd like to know yeah this is one of the things this is one of the things that the Sol waste the oh one of the initiatives and important initiative that the solid Solid Waste committee has been working on that Revenue line um a total with trash bags um um is is an FY 24 $290,000 based on based on the volume issues and also the revenues like from the transfer station specifically that aren't actually keeping up with expenses um we've already noticed that based on this year's Trend at the transfer station oh those revenues are not actually keeping up with FY 24 projections so in FY 25 just out of the gate like we are projecting and not proposing to draw back on those Revenue projections by 20 grand um 20 grand at this point however over the next few weeks at the same time the solid waste committee I like will be looking at and addressing these issues because we have to have we have to have a revenue we have to have an expensive Revenue structure that really hopefully gets way closer to actually paying for itself we don't have that now and um and especially given that fiscal position we really need to continue working if we see uh that those revenues are not actually keeping up with expenses we as a town we need to we need to do a better job in my opinion to match them and um so even though we're recommending now out on March 28th to to a recommending projections at like our $20,000 drawback from where we are in 24 that has a very real hopefully the very real possibility of changing as we oh yeah like as we go further in the budget which and if we do it right in have actually buying as part of the as part of the process as well uh we should be able to hopefully close a little more of our budget Gap as well it's go General yes yes oh yes absolutely yes does is that just a matter of the mix of things that going into the station it's a whole host of things it's included El it's included El included really the mix one of the challenges generally that we have now is we allow trailer loads of oh trailer loads of oh yeah like a bulky debris to be brought in and those crer loads are very oh yeah like rather than you know like what we what we cost and what we quantify for bringing in a TV a washing machine when people bring trailer loads in it's harder to quantify exactly what to charge and then also what hits us on the back end as an expense that is one of the I if I had to predict that's one of the areas that the solid waste committee will probably be all really looking at do we have with everything happening and with our financial position what it is do we have the ability to keep doing that at this point we just tell them to go go down the road well hopefully hopefully I mean like if people of residents are going to have a home renovation project you know like get oh yeah like have you know one of those bag programs um yeah like I like forget oh oh yeah what those big bags are called where you throw everything in and then it's picked up like if it's a bigger project you know rental project or whatever people can get dumpster but yeah like I mean like for like a very small for very small percentage of our town residents who are who are actually doing The Trailer Load uh process on a regular basis you know to have the town budget really continue to subsidize what like I believe is a very small a small amount of people it's really having a profound impact on our budget and our expenses so we do recyclables at the transfer station there is a dumpster for Metals do we do heavy metal recycling um like metal you can make money off your metal oh we do the metal that's dropped off we do make an income there's also any there's also a fee for that go to move mhm which hurts me a little bit okay yes what the road go ahead so the money comes in it goes into the general fund and then it is used to pay bills I would imagine eventually coming out on the end of free cash is that hope hope hopefully the revenues that actually go into the general fund are the revenues that are used to really fund if we're lucky those are the revenues that are used to fund the expenses uh but how where we are now those revenues don't come close to funding the expenses so the budget would the budget projects a certain amount in the general fund the revenue coming in so if we if we don't hit that then it's got to come from somewhere else but if we go over if we were to go over then yeah would be excess for thank you that was a I I can tell you that has not happened in years there's a question Mr chair sorry um it says the expenses is 108,000 did you just say the revenue R was over 200,000 or did I miss that the uh the revenue oh yeah the the total Solid Waste revenues as a whole like bags transfer station everything as a whole is 290,000 in FY 24 thank you however just to put into context our enti all race budget is $850,000 just a little bit of a gap yeah just uh just a general question in regard to the hazardous material I know a lot of times in the spring we have a hazardous material day or no not on planed today for this year no shaking his head no so no it's not every year not every no it's entertained every 3 to 4 years uh there no sense of a need for it at this time okay and good education you wouldn't need it at all so that's that's one thing we're learning we need to do it you know we always should be doing the education part to help consumers before they make a purchase any the questions on 435 I have a general question if it's all right Jak um yeah yet last year when we talked about um budgeting additional hours for the transfer station to have it open longer hoping that would drive more traffic and revenue what was the impact of that did you know did that become a positive change overall from last year or did it you know Main even or you know was that a money loser for us for those additional hours that's a very good question um we're still learning those numbers and I guess it depends on what you're looking for on that question uh we also moved the day so now it's Friday Saturday instead of Tuesday Saturday or Wednesday Saturday um this Friday Saturday seems to be the most popular amendable uh customer friendly Arrangement and uh you you need to go through the calendar year at least once to get a a sense of where that question is going and you really need to look at a few years to see where that's going but it it seems to be more customer friendly the Friday Saturday yeah that's great I mean that's all I was asking really I didn't expect you to have you know cost analysis of that I just we had changed hours and Our Hope was that that was going to drive additional traffic and revenue it sounds like it's become more popular which is great thank you it was all set on is that it for you I don't know I have a feeling we'll be talking to you again thank you Tom thanks Tom just just just suggest Mr is here and he has a very small budget in 17999 99 industrial no oh agricultur 179 um I've got a question and I apologize the finance committee I should have met with I got two questions that I need to talk with the town administrator on on resolving on on the budget as far as pertaining to the the garden so at this moment I am not prepared to submit my budget so if I want to get a hold of the mic sometime next week that's fine is that fine oh absolutely yeah yeah that's couple things have changed and I understand that the town is we're in some Financial situ we're in a financial situation so we can cut cut our budget we're willing to do it thank you thank you Mr thank you I'll follow with you okay good evening uh ladies and gentlemen sewer sewer thank you his name is Woody Department 600 than you sorry I can't be there in person but I get a little bit of a and I don't want to spread this stuff around than but I'm prepared to move forward and get this done as quick as [Music] possible any any big projects buddy no everything pretty good here it's second to last P it's it's out of order because it's you know i' just like everybody to know that everything's running real well in the sewer department and most people don't even realize or recognize who any of our employees because you never really see them you know they're in the sewer and I mean that literally I mean we have six pump stations in town and and they have to be checked every day and we have an outstanding staff um that I I don't see them myself either I just signed their payroll but there are no problems um major problems um we have a great superintendent Harold gcia and our staff in the sewer department runs flawlessly so I commend everybody um that works for the department so just so you guys know that the sewer department the way the fund works is they make generate their revenue from uh usage fees um that's that's basically it right what do you you guys are all funded by usage fees yeah we're all funded by usage fees and we do have a uh annual Capital expense and you'll see it's reduced from 150,000 to 50,000 um and I think Mike Mullen can probably explain that a little better than me um you know we're expecting some money from arra funds and and you know I spoke with the office manager about this line and she said that she's been in contact with about this so that's really the only thing different on our um budget this year unless you guys have any questions Mr Woods do you have any anticipated major projects in the pipeline not unless you can um talk to your friend Jake aen clash and have them sent us you know 20 or 30 million you know we we we sure would love to extend the lines but other than that there's no money in the operating budget to do that thank you Title Five program is that for uh somebody wants to sell their house you got to check out their septic system I would I would assume so so that 6,669 and that's Revenue Title Five program yeah that's actually I believe the de that's actually the de test service for the title 5 betterment program that we have through the Board of Health um that we have to that's also included in our debt service budget along with the police station that I don't I don't believe there's any part of that in in the super Enterprise fund though no okay no no this not see 25 2 I think that's supposed to basically we're we're telling them it's okay to charge their custom I notice get under legal fees they budgeted $7500 and they haven't spent any this year yeah it's our money L it's not yours the r payers money yeah whatever is not spend specifically in the like budget that just in [Music] 5 take it away good evening everyone as you can see our budget did go down a little bit this year and it did go up in a few places that we had no control over uh one being the raises that were giving to the to myself thank you and uh to um my program manager my office manager and my program manager ALS one of them did go up a little bit more than usual than the other one because her um job description was in the wage survey and which changed her whole her grade and step so that was why she has a uh it went up by 23% and the other two things that we had no control over was the stiens uh benefit sens for Education incentives that the two girls received due due to also new contract negotiations that were put in there and they had already been here over the uh time uh I believe it's a year or two years before they are allowed to um get the stiens in their rate of pay as you can see our budget did go down a little bit I wanted to talk a little bit about that the reason that it did go down is because we are for the next year we will be using our grants that we have stashed away um we have some money that we need to use up and we will be using our um formula grants which is uh through the executive office of B Affairs and we've also acquired a couple of other grants which we'll be using to our our programs and our operational budget and that's the reason why it went down on that end does anybody have any questions yes the grants you just got um to reduce next year's budget how long are they good for one year one ends in March one ends in March and I wanted to that's something that I also wanted to talk to you about is that um a little bit what what is c in my anxiety is that when these grants are done we're not going to have that money this budget will probably go up again and I just wanted to put that out there I will continue to look for Grants uh I'll do the best I can to continue to bring U money in to help us um continue to do the job that we're doing um but just so you know that next year I don't have a guarantee on on that right excellent thank you thank you for your efforts this year yesk you thank you the office manager is that a change in hours or just a change in description Chang in the the job description well she was higher at that job with that job description but still at that rate was which was a lower rate lower grade and rate uh which was still in negotiations with the um the union and they finally went through so that is why it was a raise that was being had been being worked on for many years now so I'm very happy that that did go through cuz that position does deserve that EXC I have a question how's the attendance been I I heard the programs are we I believe we started with 8 when we opened when we reopened up and we're up to 17 great program just that's the day program Community programs our community programs continue to grow and continue to bring people um from all over uh as we cannot deny people who can't might come from meob if it's Grand funded I can't say you know I have to be able to so our numbers are growing EXC almost monthly I would say our numbers are growing monthly in attendance good yeah that to that point that has made a huge impact in the grant at the council in ag like and Miss pow have been able to apply for the fact that we're and the fact that the Council on Aging has been able to quantify that that has that has really made us way better positioned to be able to leverage the grant funding that come from agent has done so it's a huge it's a it's a huge example of the amazing stuff that's happening here right thank you so is that that kind of tracking the usage and and all is that something you guys are every day kind of emphasizing now um that there's a program called my senior center that all the COA um typically use and was completely um utilized to the best of its ability and we did training on it well her and I attended the um conference training last year and the my senior center uh creators really were there and helped teach how to really use that program more um so it's helping us especially when we applied for the grants really get better numbers to to figure out that data which is great so I'm excited because we really just started doing that within the last year knowing the whole ins and outs so over the next few years seeing how the numbers are going to change is going to be exciting so we are required by the executive office of ELD Affairs to have a tracking system for our formula grant funding which we receive every year and for all the grants that we write we have to we need those numbers they want those numbers and we got to have a way to do it and doing it on paper just doesn't P it especially if you've got the information in it's just a matter of getting it out amazing the amount you can tweak it to find anything it's about it and I love it awesome the program that we use which is my called my senior center um is actually tied in with the executive office of Elder Affairs so at the end of the year when we have to do our annual report um eoe agents goes and gets all the information out of the you know it's really pretty interesting thing because it used to be done by hand and numbers and countings and all that so it's a wonderful thing I do want to add I wanted to mention or if you want to mention the revolving fund that we're hoping to put in place to then also help us in the future not have to um go to the town's people and ask for certain funding for programs um because we did do some research in all the local coas around us also have our revolving Fund in place so when we have Community programs like our fitness class um or lunch where people pay to come in or add a donation we wanted to add that into a revolving fund so that the money would take we can immediately put out um to pay our instructors um to pay our grocery bill that or they say we ordered alyses um which we've done uh we wanted to put that in place so that next year um thankfully like B said we have received grants that L pay our professional and Technical lines but we want to have a revolving Fund in place to kind of offset what we would have normally asked for in professional and Technical that we can just take in and come out um cuz the way it's set up right now is we are taking in money for specifically our exercise classes but that kind of gets stored away in this account that we can't touch I don't know the technical the general fund okay and it goes in there and we can't pay out of it so that just shows how much we've brought in and we've been tracking that too just to see kind of give us an idea if we really kind of rev up the whole revolving fund and ask for an actual cost versus a donation we're seeing where we're at now and what we could expect as a revolving fund balance to help us out um but I think it will be even higher once it's listed as a cost versus a donation so another area we're trying to work on for annual town meeting we hoping to put that as a warrant um article to be approved by the town's people to try to save for future years any questions on thank you thank you thank you thank you very much I didn't hurt too much you know the key thank you thank you building Jim I just want to point out that it says 710 and it's 7 well 712 on the computer 710 up there great job hello everyone hello great to see you all again just a couple of uh points as you're looking at starting at 241 245 um my long-term office manager has decided to retire and rais for grandchildren so um although I'm disappointed I'm fully supportive of her writing that new chapter in her life so in this budget is some monies to assist with the training replacement which will be M year so that's why you see some some increases in some of the Ws I know that the big question is always what do the revenues look like for a couple years now I've been telling uh board Selman and the finance committee that revenues were going to try downward um they I was accurate in that uh secondment 2022 uh we saw a 14% decrease in permits and 2023 panned out to be about a 9 to 10% decrease so we covered around 1,000 permits a year for little over 12 years and now we're down to around 800 so um I that's attributed strictly to the economy has nothing to do with the operations um going forward they'll stay about flat I do have one subdivision that's coming online probably in the second half of this year so will hit this fiscal year um but that's only going to modestly increase revenues by maybe 30 to $40,000 so there are no shining stars on the horizon there are several large scale projects uh in play or solar but all those are just in discussion phase nothing's actually hit more pering um reason why that's important is the structured the fee schedule those typically um bring in quite a bit of money yes I'm just not sure if we're going to hit in the next with the solar panels and the batteries that we heard about the other night is that similar or yes they're both similar the way I structured these fee schedule they will both have the same impact on fees which uh just for context a large scale solar array like the one uh you've seen on tront street can produce about $100,000 in perit fees is that just a one time one time can't hit him every year it does help the local receipts off any uh any plans on any any properties in line or buildings in line for the demo line yes yeah there will be three before the end of this year three before the end of this year this year uh this phisal year yeah 24 yeah yeah that that money will be expended how much you think any idea what what those will end up okay not thinking of Reserve no will it require a transfer no no I think I'll be able to hand the demolitions with what's in my account okay yes so the solar arrays yes they uh 100,000 initially for all their contracts what's the tax rate on those those um those are actually classified in the personal property and uh that's why it is a best practice once the solar once the solar Farms up and running to um actually have towns enter into a into a payment and L tax structure with with uh with solar entities because the per the personal property can be very volatile every year like in very oh yeah no exact signs in terms of really quantifying that that personal property why one of the best practices uh like oh yeah that towns a lot of towns 2 plus two like we have already like is entered is entering is entering into a pilot agreement with so entities those and those agreements do have to be brought brought for the town meeting in the pilot agreement does allow for uh does allow allow for a very defined and predictable tax structure to have to take a lot of the guest work and also a lot of the potential for litigation out of the personal property calculation process okay is is it based anything at all on how much energy it's producing know typically however that's that's a good question because it is relative the the way that the office and we worked together on this years ago is they structure it based on the size of the array based on panel size which is how I structure my fee schedule so to answer your question yes it does impact because the logic the solar array the more power it will make right however we don't do it based on power generation because that is again volatile depends on how much the sunshines right and the hasn't happened at all in the last um but the the other thing just to uh expand on Mr mullen's comments is the town has done a great job with its Pilots um where we frontload most of those Pilots um and it's a 20 year um of me so we we are guaranteed a revenue stream for 20 years um most of it's front loaded as I said so we get a lot of it up front um but from a development perspective it takes the volatility as Mr Mullen says out of it you know what your budget is for the next 20 years which we all know is about the lifespan of these things anyway so so they do they do generate Revenue outside from the onetime permit fee yes right now the that goes into general fund as well yes yes so there's three potential this year sorry there's three potential not they haven't been going through yet they're just in discussion so if they were imp permitting now then I would say they would hit for fy2 they're not they can take up to two years but as an example that's about 100,000 yes so 26 local revenues may look very good um you know not like this year is um but I won't know until these projects evolve uh the uh the huness hill which is the one that recently changed ownership and is going will finally get uh rolling in the second half of this year that is a four-year project so we'll see a steady increase in permit revenues starting mid year for the next three or four years and where's the Hunter Hill located I'm sorry where is that development located on the Swansea line off of William Street up the shops slot Road area oh yep to G Community how many houses in total [Music] [Music] and we budgeted 1,500 the bill from the state was 1420 I think $2 so we nailed it yeah they only bills once a year okay um and I didn't know when to expect it it's tough getting answers sometimes from the state but it just landed at my desk uh last week so now that you know what that cost is are you still comfortable with the 1500 for next year I am okay unfortunately we don't have any commercial enti is looking to move into town so that will stay the same however now that I know what the costs are I'm going to build the um consumers accordingly so that that money will come back to us in a local Revenue oh okay yeah thank you any the questions on 241 to 245 Plumbing so we've got permit review education 5107 under that 243 Plumbing nothing's been expended correct that was a new mandate by the state for my inspectors and uh as with most programs from the state they put the Mandate out and then come six or eight months later with exactly what supposed to do to certify them educate them I still haven't receiv received that yet however I know it's not going to be backed away it's something that I have to do okay so um eventually that that line will get hit okay that must be the same with the gas inspection same for all three of my disciplines electrical gas and yes okay thank you you're welcome just in terms of what I think um we do need to touch on public buildings in 192 which is white right on the building [Applause] department 192 public buildings is actually count that share between my office me and the Building Commissioner we have we have a lot of fun working in this budget what this for 192 you should a s this budget is really straightforward um we have Al as I mentioned earli this week s25 will be the last year of the library module of lease which is very welcome news um the energy office uh uh the energy the C mingled energy account we did have like a midyear increase uh based on our electrical aggregation um and that increase took effect at the beginning of December of 2023 we did actually um everyone will probably remember we actually um propose a special article to fund that difference in FY 24 so um what is incorporated into fy2 all like fy2 budget is like a foure of that increase um the um we do have we do maintain like a public public Building prair Maintenance line that prior years um uh uh has been able to be funded um at $440,000 it's funded at $25,000 in FY um f 24 uh based on how we're all y projecting making oh like in predicting what our needs will be through the end of the year like we're planning on a coming like actually exceedingly close to the $25,000 number so all I can like is playing with fire a little bit there but based on our budget position I I I recommending that that be level funded um and then everything else d 5420 we do have we do have like a year oh yeah we do have a yearly uh custodial contract that we bid out every year um this year the cost of that is um I it's $155,100 in so we projecting we have a very very very we have a very very very competitive rate like with a very I like with a very local company and I we do have like a really good value and uh but we are projecting a very very modest increase in that when we do go back out been for that later Al in the fiscal year as well have to take any other questions I on that as with the building commission too is there anything you wanted to add the only thing that I'll add is if we do have something that comes up that was not um out of that $25,000 one that we certainly couldn't anticipate a failure or something then I'm going have to come back to you for a reserve fund transfer um but obviously that would be something that no one could have anticipated you know failure in a heating unit or something like that yeah this year just really to Echo that point this year we had uh I believe I believe two of our H systems were hit by lightning um and those bills were about $7,000 each which we had to absorb like you know without Lu why have the beginning of the fiscal year in July so those are the type of very unpredictable things that when they happen they happen those type of jobs are also prevailing wage jobs as well so insurance doesn't cover that both both of those issue because they were like prepared it was like like like in my opinion like with that deductible like yeah was deductible like at $5,000 the way it is like it be a crapo right you know like we can put in a claim and then uh premium goes up so $5,000 yeah so head the 5,210 Line energy Town Office Buildings 141 141,000 do we have um solar panels on the on the property on the on the town hall not yet um I would like I would like to try to like I mean like I would like to like especially in like like in the coming year like really like do an analysis of all really do an analysis like of all like our roofs and also our publicly owned Town land that we might have the ability to to Really capture the type of Revenue that a lot of our homeowners and everyone else are trying to capture there um in terms of of our town buildings so that um that whole process is the very a very complex process in evaluating all like the engineering the load capacity and everything for a roof but there are oh yeah based on how based on how the town is able to structure out really the procurement that we do have an opportunity we do have an opportunity to look at that and to and to try to capture some Revenue to offset these very very very growing classs the only other thing I'll add to that is um sort of cause and effect roofs seem like the most uh common place to put solar panels but as I said earlier it's usually a 20year return that means we have to assess the roof if the roof is not a 20year roof then we have to replace the roof before on um so you know unfortunately Town Hall would be the biggest um building that we have and that is not so now we have to come theal the so we really I think it's going to require an in-depth analysis as Mr M said both buildings and land and then see what we can do to try and get that lined out just really to that point when the a was here last week talking about the solar project that is now almost op almost operational with the marins on that whole project like a very very very small like they feel like it's going to be a benefit to them but the marins to get it done were extremely PL so much so that um the selectman were petitioned to reduce the fee the permitting fee for that just because it was so tight that if they paid the permit fee it would not make the project viable so so that's and the like we're we're amendable to that yeah I know I had him at my house and it was not real savings on margin right it's that is real that whole analysis really would come into play and the importance placed on that yeah there's a cost to the system and then there's a cost to putting it up and then you don't coup for quite a while but you still look to the electric right the only large land area that we had in discussion in years past was the transfer station the ca landfill and I actually was against that because it's a Capp landfill and I didn't think that was a good place for solar panels so um would I change my stance on that as technology improves panels become lighter then maybe maybe I would but at that particular time I was not in favorable don't they have uh I think they have Shams now that are actually made as they do they do yes it's not so it is improving but it is improving but the percentage I bet is not as high as a no it's not the efficiency on those sh is much than the actual let's say average efficiency isn't around 30% 20 something on the sh Hills no on the on the uh overall for the calendar year yes that's that's a good number yes Ser do you have where we are uh at least through February on energy yep um just in that town office building is the one that was appropriated at 105,000 through the end of March we uh it's actually gotten split up so it's I had to separate line um library and fire because they have to do reporting at the end of the year and it was a lot easier to just have them in a separate line to see exactly what they had spent so the energy they spent about 47,000 through March just a that mine the 5120 that doesn't include uh fire and so that includes liary oh hold on and then y fire is another right 10534 so about 58,000 but I will say that the bills are typically a month behind um we just had think like 15,000 come through that will be paid next Thursday on top of that yeah that's the real March though yeah yeah that is the challenge you're always a month behind so skes that I think trying to look back at all really went wrong or what our challenge has been and projecting like our any budget like up until this year we were always looking at those Trends then we always had a month behind which always caught up at the end of the year so we're really trying to learn from that and have a real true number is that 15 is that a new the new Norm 15,000 that had a little bit of patch up um there was a couple of bills that were missed so that might be slightly higher I think the catchup was about 6500 out of that 15 that you know should have been paid all the along but just got caught up last few months M has a question uh is that a question or is that the okay any questions on uh 192 no anything else for you Chim okay y Department what what 33 [Music] first so just a couple of points as you're looking at this I'm not sure if you have the um subm that I did but I have two lines highlighted and that's the disposal lines those those disposal uh costs that I published for fy2 so I carry them level um we have a great relationship with our curbside paer I've had many conversations with him and he ures me that he does not think spikes in disposal cost this year so whatever increase we have should be fairly modest but I did not want to just pick a number I I set it level and uh hopefully we'll have those numbers fairly soon I actually don't have it highlighted do you want to specify exactly which one yes it's the um the Cass for 150,000 right 5294 105,000 yeah 5294 and 5303 I have one question the uh 5300 monitoring the test well testing well monitor our testing of the wells you beat me to it um I thought that was water department it's not these these little oversight it no these are monitoring Wells for the the disposal dump the transfer station yes but but that does bring me to a good point what I found this is my first uh uh time managing this department um I'm actually haven't done it for a full year yet I'm finding out that a lot of the costs and expenses are in the after part of the fiscal year so you might see a lot of these lines haven't been expended however they will be in the next several months and just expanding upon that one thing I noticed that the administrative Mullen would do some of the lines I understand why we have to try to come up with a balanced budget but because uh this department is fairly fresh with me with oversight if we run a deficit um I'm just going to come back to you for for some assistance that's all is that fuel search Char sign is that uh AB borous that's yes that's contractual and it's uh anything over I believe it's 385 if I'm not mistaken um we are required to pay him the differential so diesel prices have been fairly moderate right now [Music] um so if that happens that's one of particular lines that would probably be most volatile is that we did see a spike in diesel cost then we would blow through that money pretty quickly this is also the last year of our contract with forges um I have a handshake uh agreement with him that he will submit another another threeyear term hopefully he successful in getting that um we had all thought that maybe this would be the last year for's period but I think we'll at least have him for another three years if successful which is important it'll be a new contract for this the year 26 right which is important because um what we're finding out from our peers at the state is uh dyon is doing very well with our ier he's being very fan with us so we hope that we can continue that relationship someday when it does end um this piggy backs on the solid waste discussion we had earlier we need to get this figured out I'm on that committee and I will say that that committee is doing this uh y's work to try to figure this all out and I'm sure we any questions on 433 no [Applause] no [Applause] 510 that wall is thin two vs it's actually a vent wall oh it's not the place to go have secret discussion how many how many members on the board of health three thank you that includes the chair correct Board of Health Inspectors accepting yep we have a part-time Health agent um um her appointment required her to get four certific certific a she has three out of the four um and she's taken upon herself to obtain another 27 so she has over 30 certifications so we've done very well with our health agent however the one the one that is missing is the septic the ti five and obviously we have a lot so um I have a prum inspector who helps I fill the Gap when I can so we're managing it very well I don't anticipate any great changes in that is she working towards the septic yes yes it's just it's not something that happens overnight it's it's acquired yeah real quick on that uh septic was brought up earlier uh that septic vment program is something that is underutilized uh that's one of the first things I looked at when I took over the supervisory role uh that is a program that is uh run by the Board of Health the treasure collector with some input the assessor's office it allows us to offer low interest loans to taxpayers to replace their septic systems so it's a revenue stream small Revenue stream but more importantly it's a way or an opportunity for uh tax payers to replace their septic systems without having to go to outside financing so uh I've initiated discussion with the treasur collector we're working on the logistics now and I plan to promote that program and hopefully people will utilize it yeah that said some of those revenues will be increased in that line it's certainly not going to balance the budget but uh we will make some money uh through that program and it's still a better interest rate than someone could get from the local banks so it's a win-win that's a great idea the cost of the septic system being replaced um that comes from a bank or from a state program that's actually what the treasur collector is looking into now is where that funding source is I don't have that answer um but it would pay for it up front and then the yes the recipient would make payments to that loan 20 years it's added to their tax bill that's why the assessor in um so they can spread out the cost over a long period of time which makes it more affordable and from Health perspective we replace a fair subject system and you would get a revenue Serv yes the interest that we capture on that loan actually stays loow you may not know but is it transferable or if they sell does that get paid back um I believe it's paid back yes those are all the the what we're flushing out right now yeah basically the folder was dusted off and so the majority of them probably would be paid off right away wouldn't collect much interest because it would be done yeah whether there's a payoff penalty or something like that I don't know all those details but um again it's just it's not a b Revenue sauce but I just wanted you to know that we're working to try to use all opportunities available to both help the people and to create some revenue streams it is a program that's helps for people that need have a need so because you don't expect that expense when that comes that's a big one yeah it's not a right and you don't plan for that one no I know that most of us realize that that happens when there's a transfer of sale but there are many septic systems out there that fail when people have no intentions on moving and they have no way to pay for that so this is it's it's it's a great C in is it need based do they have to do uh no the there is no qualifying criteria that's what you're asking the uh there are some um upfront cost that they must come up with um it does not pay all of the cost um for instance the uh initial testing and Engineering needs to be paid by the consumer it's not it can't be moved into the to the low so this basically covers the installation cost which as everyone knows is the bulk of the the cost but thank you for asking that earlier I know we have a lot of them MH we have them on my street few yeah keep waiting them coming the city 20 million right that was the number Milli probably inflation more than that now any questions on 510 thank you thank J thank you right uh conservation department 171 171 sorry [Music] [Applause] find just so you know the $2 million budget we requested has been reduced to what is said before you did a good job that that was the uh clerical is that based on what's that increase based on okay the clerical worker is the assistant to Lisa calonia the agent uh she's in part time um I I don't recall how many hours a week but she is shared between that and the sewer department and uh uh she does a a tourist around the extra clerical work to keep Lisa going in the field because uh Lisa is at times Run Red between going out to sites and writing up ORD of conditions and the rest uh is that what you're looking for or eight hours I believe no change no no and the CL and the conservation clerical was actually combined with the conservation like secretary line as well so it's really a wash okay yeah over yeah like it's really like the same amount of money we just like combine all those lines okay or you were looking at the 40 no the uh percentage there yeah okay yeah I noticed that in the professional and Technical um between the request and the ta's recommendation of a difference of $1,000 you have proposed an increase of $1,000 [Music] why well we've been having uh a a tremendous amount of mailings going up we when we order give cease assist orders we have to send it certified mail or we have to get um uh someone to deliver especially that um uh some outside agent to deliver I think that's what let me see here um sometimes we need a an attorney to give us a quick advice on something that we aren't going to run to the selectman for and so you know we've just been so busy with with uh everything going on in town that that uh we just need a little extra funds to to keep that going now it's my understanding that you currently have litigation that could affect well right now this Strawberry Fields which uh we are funding maybe up to $100,000 I mean we already beat them previously and now a new applicant come in and uh the state is playing games uh saying first of all overriding us and then the new director comes in and says oh they're they're good they're good to oh you know Conservation Commission is right and all of a sudden you get another letter they're saying oh we're going to help them rewrite it so that uh they can go through with it we don't know we don't know where it stands uh they play game this is the state now is playing games with us on U uh when their arst come in and if we wish to uh respond our time limit is greatly reduced now I don't know if that's uh what you're after well you know but we but we have a lot of money going out and uh that comes out of the the the um agricultural uh tax money that comes back to us and and uh you know we we much rather buy land with that and uh and put on programs in the town and this is what we're using it for to to do appeals with places like strawberry fields and now we have um uh Forest Hills which we rejected and that's already in appeal but that's that's a I don't think that's no cost are very limited so up until now anyway you're saying you you've taken money out of your agricultural well it's the roll back I should say the T okay no no I understand but you that money ideally was intended to buy conservation land ideally but it's also used to support the Commission in other ways and this is one of the ways that that the attorney Town Council has said that it can be used it's been used in the past and at least in the past uh we won the case it's for the same lot the same posle uh that it's it's running again so but yes ideally we would have probably all this land along the river uh to River and we have some of it now but we'd like to have more and and you know to put it under our control and to keep it protected there have many places in town that that that need protection but on the other side of the coin with times being tight budget wise and a deficit of 250,000 if you needed additional funds for for professional and Technical you could in fact go to that account as well if there's anything left in in it after Strawberry Fields do you know how much you get every year or no that depends upon uh what Farmland uh is transferred into other uses and then the the extra tax money that they would have spent uh uh in the past because it's being sold for uh residential or commercial or whatever use uh we get the uh the uh payback difference and how much in that account currently I don't know I believe it's 140 years yeah right now I know we've got enough to cover strawberry you know for for our fees you know we have the legal we have I mean there's Engineers there's Wetland scientists there's um you know it's it's amazing uh uh the people that have to throw support to us to to bring it before the uh the judge or was over hearing it they there so worst case scenario worst comes to worst you could if the town administrator's recommendation would followed reach into that agricultural account to fund or make up the difference yeah if this board should choose right now we don't we don't know exactly what it's going to cost we have an estimate we have an estimate of what it's going to cost us and if the estimate is accurate uh yeah we we would have the money there okay thank you but we don't know so okay questions 171 there is one other item and I don't know it's under it's the 5158 um uniform boots type and and we had initially asked for 500 uh that's what the the commission voted on to um uh for that year and uh well Lisa and I were going over everything we're looking at you know some of her needs for the year and we don't know if that can be changed it was recommended that we do 3 300 um rather than the 500 and yet we're wondering if the 500 was even enough because uh days like today she has to she has to be out in the field and uh you know rain there's rain gear uh she doesn't have a hot hat uh for uh commercial or industrial sites such as the solar panels I know when I've gone out to sites uh they they've thrown me a hot hat that I couldn't go on site unless I had a hot hat and it's probably not good to to rely upon the people you are monitoring um let's see uh uh orange vest pretty important during hunting season when you're in the field uh looking around and you know so we were really looking at is even 500 enough when it and then it was cut back to 300 just just throwing that out question yes and I know in taon we had to do it this way do you require Rex when they submit their budgets for for Rex you know potential requisition what it like a purchase order like it's similar to a purchase order but it wouldn't be a direct order it would be a price listing so if you're asking for boots you are presenting the style the type the boot the price so we not saying well it might 300 500 you know exactly how much it would cost right so we don't currently require that um that's you know the zerob based budget is the document where that could be explained to justify the amount that they're asking for um but we don't require it we came up with the $300 last year um the average working boots we figured it was about 150 um if they need two sets of boots you know depending on how active they actually are how many hours they were and how much they're actually needed out in the fields with that time so that's how we came to the 300 last year and we set that $300 boot stien for a few different departments just to have everybody all on the same page and treating everyone the same with you know everyone that has to go out to the field is getting the same benefit um because these people are outside of contract there's no appointment letter they're not in the union um so it's we're kind of trying to keep all of those people in the same line okay actually I'm going a little bit even beyond the boots though because of the Hat the high visibility vest uh um I'm I'm requiring her to make sure that her clothes are well protected with u um bug spray because uh I don't want her to get Lyme disease and be out of commission for for a month or whatever however it works um sunblock and uh and you know and the rest and you know it's it's more than just the cost of boots it's it's uh it's those additional things and is it a onetime deal well I don't know I don't know how how long these things are she you know she has her personal uh chaps that she wears out there but they're falling apart because they get ripped out with the Briar and uh um I'm not going out there uh I'm not taking blood going out the briers but you know that that's her job she's out there all the time so this is why uh know we're looking at at least 500 on that and even though was cut back all right so we understand that and um you know within the 500 is she I mean sorry within the 300 that we've had um for everybody that goes out in the fields if she was to put through vests or other things as long as it was within that 300 you know we could probably make that work if she you know does it okay all right I'm just thinking that it would be more than that and and again I guess if we had to we could look for another account but uh um since we have this account uh it would be good to go out of that and it is a full bottom line budget so if there is a line that you're not fully expending um that would cover any shortage that was in a separate line okay and one of the things I just want to add like we're talking I mean like we do have a vote from the full concom about the 300 we don't have a vote from the full concom anything more than that so 500 was it 500 was the yeah I'm sorry okay my apologies so is it is it a reimbursement yes so do they they turn in receipts so this fiscal year it is a reimbursement yep you know there's certain criteria can't just just you know has to be actually working boots it can't just be you know a pair of sneakers something like that yeah but this whole program has like has a ton of has been half Hazard like in PRI years um we've had employees in the field who haven't received any other type of boot or any type of representation allowance uh then we had other employees who work in the field they had allowances more than $500 so we've tried to create some sense of uniformity here and yeah like I mean we're open to further defining it but like what oh we came from a place for from really having no definition of all at all any questions on 171 no no no all right thank you okay are you industrial do do we stand anywhere on that 500 or we'll so we're we're going to we're going to have a meeting in probably a month or so figure out where uh what fin recommending and the board of Selectmen are going to get together and do the same okay thank you uh any industrial um I see a we're working on um so we are requesting a level fund inome last year of $1,000 as you can see most of our expenditures the that for money encumbered from f23 for project photography and videography of to marketing um that's something we actually haven't started using yet but we do plan to reach out to non businesses TR we have actually started that process direct basis um part of the budget so was also a sponsor of last year probably next year's Chamber of Commerce this year was bris a250 um the expenses don't reflect the $250 private contribution that we received used the offet printing which was nice but I something necessarily for next year so incorporate that 250 back into the budget um really the the cost is for anticipated Printing and some mailing but mostly printing um most of our messaging is out there online but you always expect particularly as we're going to start moving outside I didn't try to work with um traing businesses but that's always events program I a little bit what we're planning next year specific question sure yeah okay um so in December the um Bo select did accept an updated economic development plan um there are several items in there that under the development industrial commission um and many of those are going to probably inail prining costs to be honest many right now are just research study projects for us so it's hard to tell precisely where they're going to land in terms of um anticipated printing but um some of those are updating the town's Business Development and permanent guides to make them easier to follow um finding ways to support growth of homebased businesses which has been our primary goal for the last couple years um researching how other towns approach World landscape design guidelines and seeing if they could be beneficial and at and what of the benefits cost benefits associated with that researching how other towns have found ways to enhance agriculture Community to incubator spaces um there are sites in town that would be good candidates for that Su actually quite a lot of toand um in investigating further ability of the town to lease land for agricultural use which the town actually does today on a limited basis could be expanded um researching ideas for types of technical support the town could offer small businesses to see what other towns have done and what the cost benef that'ss associated with that or the types of technical assistance town could conceivably make available um and then also ways to help promote ecotourism for some of the farm communities in town it's done today on a limited basis for tample Bros but it is enough you know um Avenue stream for a lot of farms so we just want to see other way the other zoning or permitting or guides that they stand in the way of that so um so that's our agenda for the year we do anticipate that a lot of that is going to turn into Communications letting people know what's available um and then you know participating in outside event so that's where we came up with that ,000 fund just the general question I'm assuming the commission would pretty much just be reporting back to the board select corre how often does that happen well we have a leaon right now from Mr H who um that is our primary way of reporting back okay yeah I mean if there were other more standard you know quarterly or whatever updates that you know full request see that right now you got an in Mr roach I also would like to add that the ddic has received a a large amount of inine services from the Taunton area uh Chamber of Commerce and especially serent okay um the plan that they put together and those in kind services are not reflected in his budget but if they were it would be significant any questions on the 189 no so when you say that there's um significant amounts of is that Revenue no no services in the area of we I mean I'll give you an example in the city of Taunton they have two planners on their staff one gets paid 95,000 a year the other one around 92 we don't have anyone like that in di so they have to turn to agencies like serid and the Chamber who have people we're very fortunate one of the members of the ddic is Jonathan G who was a former resident of dayon who does urban planning who serves on that board and they have put together a comprehensive plan for development for the town of diet at how much did it cost to T I'm not sure that no we didn't have any cost at all and plus it was also Grant funded too and for the past two years we've had the business networking event over Crystal a which I'm sure cost at least 8 to $10,000 to put on and it was was completely covered by the chamber and um contributions from responses so so that's what we mean by in kind Services I mean the alley rate for a planner is like 125 an hour was that I mean how many hours did she spend from Ser at no ch any other questions on 189 no thank Youk you historical commission is [Music] okay this is Department 691 okay [Applause] the historical commission is asking for a level funded budget the same as last year um basically our expenses are about the same um you just I took zeroed out the equipment repairs and maintenance because we just have our cabinet in Oldtown Hall that houses our Boston Co G we haven't had to do a repairs in a number of years and it just sits there so we Z that one out professional technical U those are the fees for the commission members to attend conferences and workshops and also to pay U preservation consultant fees we've been working on our Sur updating our survey forms and and um every now and then we do have to meet with this preservation consultant to answer questions as we keep the process going Communications is basically for mailings and any other um items that we would need to communicate our mission or mail things out um under other supplies we're working on getting um historical markers so we have two for town buildings so we have two historical markers in this budget this is our office supplies this allow us to make copies of the survey forms from the preservation consultant brochures as we need it um to help explain our mission and also to um highlight M's history and of course travel if any of our members go to any conferences or webshops the historical markers what building do you open um this year we bought one for Oldtown Hall and we're working on one saided Schoolhouse next year it would be for the Smith Memorial Hall which will be the library and hopefully the Carnegie building the old library thank you those have been running about $126 each um we're looking at a new vendor so that price could change hopefully less you guys do you typically go to uh conferences workshops we tried to we haven't been very successful there's one um conference that they have in plan with every other year we thought they were going to be having it this year oh there were three three of us were planning on going and they canceled it so there is one coming up in June hopefully you know a couple of us will be able to go to that um personally I like to try to get to one um sometimes it's hard for others we've been trying Co really knocked that whole thing to Pieces they've had trouble getting those historical events back together okay any questions on 691 on the uh professional and Technical did were there any expenses made or any payments made in that line this year oh yeah yeah yeah I can clar that through um March they've spent a total of $821 and 430 was from professional and Technical thank you you're welcome any other questions of 691 thank you thank you thank you it's um Town historian we have a letter that we do it's um Department 690 so um there is a letter in here just you I'll just read a summary historians requested uh increase from $250 to $2,000 to create a document the first a series of documents to outline the important facets of town history over the last four centuries uh since Town's incorporation 172 uh funding would provide approximately 500 copies if and as needed numbers of booklets will be adjusted to fit proposed amount if if approved basic plan would be if booklets is a three-fold you can make this available if anybody wants to see it lny um that is a significant increase M but I was curious did they go look for sponsors they creating a historical book right yeah yeah so if you sold ads you could almost pay for the book probably pay for the book and then pay for the next series yeah so I would to make a suggestion too is in addition to the 500 copies if that PDF can be added to the website that when you go to the town's website you can open that up get it that way you'd have copies anyone right in indefinite number of copies right um I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to say since we have a letter and not someone to ask the questions of that we can email and follow up okay but U maybe we just ask Len's question and whether it was planned on being available online online any spons yeah sponsors yeah ading any any other questions on that no thank you cable 698 thanks um I don't know if anyone just wants a overview on kind of how the department works because I know we have some new members um our funding comes from our Peg accounts um everybody in town who has PR cast there'll be a little percent that's on that bill um that money is what comes in and funds our budget um so this is not uh tax payer or not g through the tax the typical tax payers so um we did increase our salary line uh we have three members that are now at the 20 uh an hour wage versus minimum wage um and we do have an inspected increase in using hours due to the studio that we have in our office space now um that we are planning to make a lot of new original content in we actually work alongside ddic right now with one show that we're doing with them that we've been using the Old Town Hall space that will now thankfully be able to use our studio space with a lot of other upcoming shows we have planned I know Mike is interested in his own show too so we're just finishing and you're getting breakfast breakfast with no one takes me seriously I think it's going to be highly viewed um I think for the most part um a lot remained very similar um any of the increases are really coming through with us utilizing our actual space more than us going to other spaces and filming just meetings um if there are any questions I do have what we have in our balance for our Peg fund which currently actually this was through February 29th 20124 our ending balance was 300,000 $62.65 um we obviously aren't spending as much as we have but it's been a little hard with just the three part-time employees and we don't want to just recklessly spend money even though it goes back into that account we want to be a little responsible about what we're doing so we are doing these budgets obviously and um we've brought in some things to town warrant like we did last year um we probably will again this year because it's not going to be part of a continuous budget it's just kind of a onetime purchase work for example a new server that we're looking to you'll see we have a $10,000 for equipment repairs and maintenance that you guys have suggested we do um because of having to maintain it and it's getting older um we're going to likely put that through once we get the quote on the warrant to just completely replace it so that we can give ourselves some peace of mind that the channel will just um yeah and the other thing you noticed to like the the last town hall meeting you saw new equipment so now we got like you know a pair of speakers up there better of soundboard xrl cables things that have been needed for a long time we're finally picking those items up now to to be more efficient at the cable do you guys control the lights too no no unfortunately we don't we're hoping that Mike maybe can you know give us we do um that would be great are you planning for the server are you planning on putting an article in or using the equipment article okay um because this wouldn't be enough to completely replace it that would be enough to help with repairs but um we got a rough quote but we're waiting for the finalized quote and it's it's much more than $10,000 so that would likely be on the warrant so we're just I'm assuming because that's due by the 10th right the warrant articles we're assuming we get it before then we just don't have a exact figure right now okay and typically that funding would still come yes yeah yeah it wouldn't be something we're buying every year it's just a one for a few years hopefully everything just keeps getting better and better and um that's kind of the tough part with the tech world was that things outdate faster than most things does Comcast ever offer you their the equipment that they find that they don't need it anymore um like there if they had Surplus no um we don't use well I guess in certain senses we do orl of some things that we've used but um we've never been gifted gifted anything equipment like that though if if if it's in Surplus it's probably like the end of life it's probably got three or four years on it so that would put us in that same predicament where you know we might have a server outage because one of the PS just finally G uh arkers is sort of like what they call a state ramp they recommended uh they do a lot of schools uh town halls and things like that so we've been using aers now probably the past few years they've been very good fors we give him a call he he's always trying to help us out we before we had we were dealing with somebody up in New Hampshire and we had to pay him a service call to come all the way down these guys are located in Brockton so they're only like you know 30 minutes out which is kind of nice Char us for those yeah some of those on a Sunday which is awesome and he typically comes in lowest price for equipment too um actually everything has so far that we've upgraded at least since I've been here so your department does these events uh uh this one's through Zoom so we'll get the video downloaded from Zoom once it's completed and uploaded to YouTube so that's what kind of we do behind the scenes if it's a zoom meeting um the meetings that are held in Oldtown Hall um there is the uh area in the lower level that's currently the library and once they move I believe that was turning back into a meeting space that lower level at the moment that's still the plan so we operate those cameras that are built in um but not those will be only two buildings that have built-in um equipment otherwise when it's at the high school middle school wherever we bring all of our road equipment set it up save it and then upload it at a later time and then there's access for Town people to do something on cable yes so now once we have the actual Studio space what we've been doing is reaching out to Leanne renting out Oldtown Hall upstairs um because those are the best cameras we have that are in there um and the audio is the best in there too so we've been just using that space to make original content so now we'll have we're very close to the Finish Line with the studio so everything will just be done in there um and we'll have much more content that's not just meetings not that there's anything wrong with there's nothing to be but it's nice to add something extra you know p on the channel and is is your department the one that like decides what we have available to us through cable communications do you negotiate with who our provider is I think we only have cont fortunately you only have one yeah that's we just we just negotiate who and with cable like a license agreement with Comcast to be able to have and maintain the peg access like a lot that we do Dave is there anything else yeah I think it's like three years into a 10 year contract that the only thing the only worries I see and the fears we have is when the next contract comes up you know you hear things about core cutting because people don't like Comcast they want to you know have like web apps and everything else if that keeps up and then the time comes to approach him for another contract they could say like no no we don't have enough subscribers we may we may not want to do it this time around they still get the Wi-Fi though so even if some oh definitely making money off Wi-Fi riding the Wi-Fi definitely because without Wi-Fi you can't do anything well I do actually your question I don't know the answer to either who does actually make those decisions on it's just yeah if it's just Comcast or Verizon like how does that process even work cuz with that effect say Verizon does come in with that effect the contract we have with them that literally funds our whole department good question I can follow up I'm not sure of the answer to be honest with you I thought I thought Verizon was already in they in the north part of my house and I'm up like the you know over on Walker Street Street yeah I know I think over by the housing auor in Lincoln have has well in the village so may be on the areas that border T yeah we tried and they after they switched us over and then there was no signal they're like oh yeah you don't live close enough right yeah and it wasn't bios so that is a good question CU if that does ever or I don't know how or who what department that would go through that would likely affect how our funding is because we negotiated for that contract to be funded to have staff to offer things on Channel 9 good question tmlp was looking to do five optic and they are doing it they are doing it so are we close to being able to I don't know but that's of a good suggestion because it's half the price of Comcast right so and it's fiber and it's actually a which which which service is but they probably like when it's tmlp like on electric and they have some kind of an incentive we can't get the incentive because it's tmlp and they say you're municipally you're getting cheap they just have to change the law to expand those incentives or I want to say a year and a half ago to allow for and so maybe those incentives that that would be covered under tmlp when they get the fiber optic could cover the cost of what you currently getting from Comcast or at least pit them against each other and see who will give you more right I mean that's that would be another Revenue stream for them right yeah why not it would be yeah yeah a lot of kind of unexpected things to know and like you said we're in our it's our fourth year actually of our 10e contract we have with Comcast um so 2030 is when that contract will end so once I mean who knows what's going to happen at that point too um but to understand what to expect when that time comes to to your point if they come back and they say the subscribers went down because of the cord cutting and they want to raise the cost to the town right then we can say well there's fiber optic available do you guys want to come in with your fiber optic even more and try to negotiate something there right but it's been a one been a one horse town a long right so in the next six years you guys have to get a program together that'll get picked up by Netflix really be S what be like the new PX and rock everyone talks about five we got a five I know right we got a sixe plan now well it' be nice if Ariz came into the town and say guess what uh we're going to take care of the cable company like you know they did before really have to say just D dumped Comcast basically their prices it's ridiculous just kept going up and up and up and I so I I switch I got rid of all the Comcast stuff off and then I hooked up with the fos oh okay yeah they they bring thin fiber right to your house there's no coax it's all just there's no fi coax and then coax the house kind of thing and I'm I'm got for $90 plus I was this is only if you're interested in streaming and you don't care about cable TV which schol we are that a little bit but it's okay so I can get PBS for 10 for 10 bucks um a month to PBS for WGBH you get streaming for all of their stuff which is that's all I ever watch with PBS anyway so but anyway but I was talking to the guy he said he's not in fos does have cable TV but they don't want to deal with d or any other they don't because they have to don't they have doesn't cable companies have to um pay something to the towns and through us that's what this whole budget is we're funded by Comcast so we would be funded by Verizon essentially if we could and they don't want to do that because I because um it's just not a good business plan for them right so on everyone's in the beginning I was mentioning that Comcast if you look at your bill there's a percent that little it's like uh five I think it's 5% I think 5% is what funds this budget in the department so that's how that money works one thing you may want to think about it uh down the road though is uh YouTube Twitter all of them are doing streaming now and you can actually create your own platform and use that and it's relatively speaking I think Twitter is going to be extremely cheap years change too um I agree there's definitely things change and thankfully we do have the town D YouTube page the only thing is with that we don't have the control of it it's YouTube Owned we don't it's not ours well that's why I mentioned Twitter because Twitter is much more websites and companies like that we wouldn't even be the owners of it anymore so there's that piece of it so there's and every year there's something new and that's why I kind of like this um committee because it's interesting to see all the different changes in technology that happens in a year it's crazy um you thought you'd just like to come back for a second oh no I don't like buunny stuff if I necessary but it's a lot if I ever hear that a BOS meeting got exciting or something I can always go back and watch it on YouTube that's why we were really excited to have that option for people was um that was when YouTube started to get big too so well bigger um but yeah it's nice and I'll see you ever crashing for quite some time it's just a good platform for people to to catch meetings on now and if you guys ever want to see the office it's been uh it's been renovated uh thanks to Mike helping us out Jim agar um it's a lot more attractive so someone wants to come down and really help us out it looks like a it looks like a brand new cable office down there it's the state of the Y we got brand new machines and uh we've been blessed you know it's kind of nice having that that Peg account to do that for us so hopefully the younger crowd will come back and say wow I think I want to work here now we should really thank the town's people for voting in that warrant article that allowed us to use that money to make the studio so there's a lot more to come where's the studio now um downstairs of town hall um where the library the children's library is we have it's a doorway to into our studio and then our offices in there too it's t if they want to tour just you know shoot us an email or whatever and or want to make a show so we have more origal content we might be uh doing a learning local show where we interview different department heads and committees in boards so we'll probably end up reaching out at some point anyway so we can let people know the ins and outs of each department because it's a lot there's a lot of different boards and committees that most people don't even know about so it's kind of going to be the point of that show so you know stay tuned you know which one would probably be one of the more popular would be the one that plays with uh big trucks yeah it's your turn now so is there any like um you know you going to do some kind of a Content or create if a towns person wants to create content does it have to stay off of uh political or religious or anything like that or the restrictions there are certain restrictions in our contract um and being a government Channel too um I'm not sure where that line is we have to look read the contract but there are certain things that we have like uh like meet the candidates night for example um and we did a show at the to of starting there was a message in the beginning that said the the views and what that like typical script that said do not the town of dayon and um so we'd have to see where the line is um but we do put that script in front of things that you know our words for La of better words one of the bigger projects was the library and the business Spotlight that went pretty well and we had a series on that historical commission is working on getting some people to do an oral um discussion about the passive D you know the history of D and we've been working on that so that should be coming in the next couple of weeks so we're always looking for new ideas just a little tough on us there's only three of us you know a lot of us work during the day but uh we love will we do when we come down here you know I think my wife's ready just to push me out of the house why don't you just live down the town hall I never see you anymore so we we like it you know and we thank the towns people for having that technology down there so came a long way definitely thank you guys for everything you thank you we appreciate it were there any questions on the line the budget lines any questions no tell to give more money but if we tell them that it could raise every 's bills cuz they get paid off the bills so it's like that fine line where we just our bills are going up for guys thankfully like I said we have over $300,000 in that Peg account that funds our yearly budget in um any of these warrant articles so we we have money to work with we just want to be strategic because we're I work maybe 5 to 10 hours a week for cable and that's mainly just filming meetings because those B SL so to go so that Al of time takes away from that plan how we going to spend this money so it's tough not having someone there fulltime to really manage all the money but um you make do when we have the time we really sit down and try to plan it all out and the town need for more ours thank you all right thank you guys appreciate it have a good night all right we got a couple more to get through and these will be really quick uh 114 moderator uh We've kept we've kept this line at 00 for the last close to 10 years and um I'm glad that right now the budget is still at 500 well that that's a stien correct the stien of 500 right we froze that one we froze our you raise that you're going to open a b can of worms although last year the stiens did increase except for moderator and finance committee uh okay fin yeah so on through these three was that a question well can I make a quick comment if you guys don't mind just I know it's not official yet but as you know the potential incoming moderator I'm I'm just I'm okay with the 500 I would love to see a stip in for some uh mck boots though for for moderator yeah because you know there might be things that warrant need in Muck Boots we we keep it clean up there on the stage I know you guys do I'm just joking thank you guys you better you got to have a receipt though okay Kevin thank you that made it easier uh I'm going to just hit all three at once before uh ask it for questions so we got that one 131 is our our committee uh stien at the same level uh travel we cut down because nobody's used it in years does and subscription um we have MMA dues um that's always there and then the last one is the reserve from 132 which we spent um about 20,000 of that last two meetings ago last week um that's kind of the emergency emergency pops up and um you know lightning lightning strikes town hall or T's truck fall falls off that falls off the lift yeah any questions on any any of those three no no Mr Ro before we go i' got a couple things that I'd like to say if you would allow me the opportunity sure first of all this will be my last meeting and I want to thank I've really enjoyed working with finom my three years on the board I love this process it could be tedious I understand that but going through the money trying to hold the line for the tax payers is something I I I find fascinating and enjoy doing the two other things I wasn't able to attend the last meeting and I know currently we're about 250 ,000 difference and one area I would ask that you take a look at is with the police we have a position of a lieutenant that is vacant and has been vacant for quite some time that is a significant savings if it isn't on the last note just digits it was clearly wasn't happy about the discussion about clothing all allowance and as you debate that issue I would ask that you take a look at the clothing allowance for the building inspector Council on agent and um Animal control officer as well as the sewer enterprise system I'm I'm not advocating but what I'm saying is when you come to a decision take a look at what some of the others are making before you decide thank you thank you L any any questions before we wrap this side uh anything um I just had two thoughts so on the moderator it was mentioned it's a siphon I think it's considered a salary because when they're voted is to establish the salaries of elected officials along with the board the selectman S cler treasurer not a big deal that's is the way I look at it and one thought I have when we're looking at the um Town historian's budget I don't think she ever takes her stien each year um so I think that's something just to take into consideration with her requests I know it's a big increase but I don't know if she ever actually she it's put in the budget but I don't think she ever takes it from the town so just something to keep in mind that's all thanks tell me anything uh I want to just go on order of of where they're placed on the screen Jake anything Woody no I'm good I'm all set you guys have a good night thank you very much you all too thank you Kevin thank you guys thank you just a quick question just in terms of process like so we can just have a plan uh to continue moving forward the last two weeks have been a lot like a lot to digest as well we know we know also based uh based on what we heard that like Solid Waste is going to spend about the next two weeks evaluating options as well which you know that timing will give all us I think a better ability to digest the information that we have now how like I am actually I am actually wondering if it could be help be helpful might be like if there's any opportunity to have have another have another joint meeting before we separate uh uh to make the individual recommendation maybe like right before April school vacation like so at least like as we really deal with the structural issue that we Face we might be able to come to some type of General consensus and Alignment about how what options everyone might have an ability to get around so we have I think got together like some type of Direction about how we how we are able to balance before we go off independent all recommendations if that makes sense at all so you thinking like the 11th as an option yeah but I mean I'm just one person I just wanted to throw that idea out how does that work for everybody looking and then you're good good what's the date again uh the 11th two weeks from today why is it already on my schedule so the same seven I I'm usually says it um what what is what do they call this uh next one what's the definition of of what we'll be doing uh kind of join meeting between probably close to final joint meeting with the dealing with the um where we are and and kind of some some options on what how we're going to get there and um 6:00 same same place here or what yeah I mean like I do think like the six' timing works like I do know we're very we've been uh very meeting heavy lately um and I will have to confirm a location because it's high I don't have that uh schedule in front of me right now okay so yeah time and location to be determined Okay and like I kind of assume that I think similar to last year we kind of had a when we got closer to the end we had the um Selectmen recommendations yes okay and we'll have warrants at that point too and yes so one of the things I think we learned last year is to have the to have the have the war warant articles that are approved to be on the warrant actually done in advance of that last joint meeting because yeah like that process last year was a little clunky so we just want to approve that yeah right because yeah have the for select we're aren't going to put an article on we won't want to spend any time on it exactly um okay yeah anything else you guys does anybody have any questions about the other documents that were in the packet today there was just a couple of other things that on the back we didn't discuss um and might be I'm not sure of the order yeah they were all the way the pack F yeah um so there's one that's general fund revenues that compares where we landed on end of FY 23 what we projected for 24 where we were halfway through this year and then what we're estimating for 25 there one that just shows some available funds that we have on reserve um as Mr H said the budget overview does show negative about 250,000 and I think that's all the Dos take a motion to adjourn oh can I ask one question we do that the uh ambulance uh receipts and revenue they stay in the ambulance fund appropriate out of it yeah okay just making sure on that one okay I make a motion we V to adjourn all in favor post you guys have it I make a motion that we second I as well 848 thank you have a good night thank you