[Music] all right good evening everyone this is the community preservation committee regular meeting it is Wednesday March 20th 2024 um we are in person at the prime time building and also on Zoom um this meeting is being recorded and can be VI viewed at a to date on the town of D YouTube channel um call the meeting to order at 5:36 if we can all please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance I pledge alance to the of the United States of America indice we'll start off with Committee Member introductions on Kevin Smith chairman and Parkson Rec representative Alicia Wilson member at large Vice chair Collins Housing Authority hisorical commission and bran sron member at lodge uh Paul Reynolds Conservation Commission representative Jonathan gaale a member and Ada coordinator um so the first thing we have was Prior every get those minutes can always make a motion with a note to spell did she use a she yeah she does use that as part of the summary and one thing with AI is it doesn't unless we say our names it doesn't pick it up it we just constantly say community preservation can be said over and over again so you really got down who said what Nam I'll second that any discussion all those in favor I I all right so next we have Financial reports walk right yeah yeah I don't think there anything to really update um I do we do have um under the new business we have the housekeeping more aicle so we kind of dive into some of that a little later on um so under old business we have review discuss and act of D Trails committee application funding we have Jeff us yes your reworked yeah so I want to speak from here on camera yeah actually what I'll do because case every have a copy is I'll screen share and I'll um I'll pull up okay thank you you're out I've got mine pulled up as well I'm at town hall right now Kevin so I've got mine pulled up on my screen as well all right how is the trails committee uh the standard Trails committee is strong excellent supposed to say um go go good mean we're we're uh learning timelines are longer than we originally disate just today I got a message from somebody on our Facebook page are excited for Trails coming to town can't wait takes a while break break pump your breaks pump your breaks um so anyway so uh want to kick it off you good yeah think I'm just going to scroll down to kind of you scroll down the meat and potatoes cuz we don't need to look at yeah the main potatoes here it really says pleas the attachment one which is a separate document I don't if have on yeah cuz I it was a lot of information of background provide you it wasn't going to fit well in a small rectangle on your application um I don't know if you have that that's the attachment one CPC yeah I have your old That's the older one okay one second I'll get it okay there that's the that's the original January yeah January must be the one with the 17 there that one there that's one okay all right so um so what what I did was uh I think everybody I'm Jeff pa um I don't know if everybody last time I presented this but um it's kind of what I did so I tried to this a little better uh so we're still looking at uh putting together or having uh elevated boardwalks at Trail so um you skip down there's a map on here start for so there's yeah so there it is that's Trail and what what I'm talking about here is going from the West entrance to uh I show a platform CL on there there's a observation platform up on that outcropping so if you comeing on the west entrance on Broad Cove nature trail and look across there is a outcropping and on top of that is an observation post observation platform is also one on on the west side and there's others one here on the east as well but um to get across from the West entrance to that observation platform uh you got to go across salt marsh which you know generally don't want people walking on that or or walking in h a single file for long periods of time because you can degrade salt marsh and then going from there to I guess you call it Highlands this this other Trail Network that we have up here existing Trail Network I don't show that here but uh this would interconnect West to go across here and over because right now you can via the existing Trail Network up and over in there it's very muddy in places um so just to give you a nice elevated location where you can walk across that you just scroll down to the last page of this uh ask a quick question while we're on there absolutely where do you go into into the wooded area is that kind of is that Landing where like kind of where that the loop goes around and the benches are right yeah so right here is a double b right and the the I should have put I should have overlaid the existing Network out here now that I think of it that would have been a good thing to have but the trail comes up and over and there's a loop like this yep and then it connects this way and goes out to that's an existing trailwork that we put in so this where this where this terminates here in the woods there's actually a loop you're walking along there's an apple orchard right here you're walking along this way and it has a loop that comes around like this and meets it so this this this terminates at that Loop so this this is what I think that's one pie were kind of missing last time Mr fette came was where that was really Landing but now yeah it is right there yeah so that's that's a good point I'm the future talk again I can I can add that overlay on here so if you go to lastage I just want to show you the eye candy first transition point that you'd be able to go up to up cropping and then or you can continue on so the whole thing is only 310 of a mile it's not very big uh so that's that's what we're thinking about so if you go back to the page one of your attachment um what we did was and what was different from last time to this time as I broke this up into two phases phase one and phase two phase one is what we're proposing before you here tonight um for consideration so um this this whole thing and I I didn't change the the content here how much you're familiar with but this is uh the existing Trail network is part of a a larger Regional to to Trails um project 22 plus miles uh of of uh connections going from from ton through through D it's it's a Somerset uh so it's a large area uh we've had success in the past getting grants and I I know last time I was here one of the questions was hey what are what are some alternate uh locations for Grants so what what I did on on page two uh is sorry for jumping around I don't want to just read a document to you um is there's a there's a detail table so I went went along and told uh details application deadlines eligible projects and details for these for these particular gr forces that would apply to this type of project there's a lot of them out there this is this is a smattering of five different ones Mass Trails is something we've got a drafted before PC we got a grand them as well um so we we've had success in the past working with these groups talking to uh ex sered um banano He also mentioned the national park Foundation as as a potential Source uh and then also on the on the Massachusetts grants Trail grants page is actually a really good resource uh to get information on mass Trails was also the Massachusetts landed water conservation fund grant program and the park acquisition and uh Innovations for communities which is something I assume parks and rack is probably looking at as well this is this is also right uh your Aly for that as well so there's a number of different sources all their details on the right there and I can go one by one if you'd like but um all right to page three I'll just skip down there quick this is the phasing and along with a calendar on the bottom so the intent right now is phase one phase two I'm breaking it up and this is after circling back with our engineering consultant uh trying to figure out what made sense for breaking this up because we didn't want to break something up put it in Phase One it only it would only have a two three year shelf L right so we wanted to make sure things were able to be broken up into phases that we can shelf for four or five years because we know between phase one and uh coming before this board to this the group to consider uh funding phase one if we're going to go for phase two it's going to be through grants so phase one I just want to highlight that real quick this is where we're talking about uh Wetland delimination and and a report um and that was assuming survey Wetland flags that was on the order of $10,000 permitting of geotechnical services the noi and the onsite visit that was 14 Grand uh geotechnical observation analysis assuming three boring that's based on where this is going to be located that's $12,000 the borings themselves uh 25 Grand and then some incidentals for, 1500 so the bottom line number uh that we were asking the CPC to fund was 62,500 that's right there for phase one phase two is the additional work for the preliminary design which had survey for 30 grand uh had some preliminary boardwalk and foundation design uh for that's the largest taken item here like 55,000 and then incidentals another thousand which results in phase two being 86,000 so the overall for phase one and phase two was still 1485 which was the number I presented to this group earlier last time over here in January so um I put together a schedule for what we're looking at let's let's say that that we decide to go forward with this and and and then it goes to the town the town says yes it's a lot of wers right um the intent would be kicking off this whole project in fy2 one July is um and knowing the history of uh historically when you get money from the town you got to get it on contract and everything so we figured we wouldn't get Contract warant until about quarter two uh of fy2 that would roll us all the way into uh fiscal year 26 where we be towards the tail end of phase one work and we start the grant process I've got a couple quarters there to work on Grant submissions and Grant packages with hopefully looking at the tail end of FY 26 going into quarter four getting that awarded at that Little Star it doesn't show up very well on the black background but that's what we would expect to get Grants awarded I've got a big gap on there assuming it's going to do do one of these you know either grow or slide to the right where we would again be looking at FY 27 been able to execute those grants if awarded to continue on to to phase two and then while that's continuing on phase two then we'd go after uh Construction Grants and things of that nature that that's wait right but I want to focus on phas one phase two that's what I put up to earlier um and that is uh that's the meat of what I have before this and would something like that t not as time goes on to go up as much as like construction things this kind of work um I don't know I mean I would imagine these These are well these are all Engineering Services so yeah if we're expecting uh inflation to continue and I would expect these rates to go up as well just because are this is this is mostly labor this year and I don't have any material cost here aside from you know $1,000 for printing and those are the only incidentals that I have here the rest of this is all labor all of the you know analysis and reports that you receive from phase one is there an expiration date so to speak on those like so like say if at some point the project got held up yeah it is there a you know a timeline where it becomes all for not because you'd have to like redo like I'm going to say like redo the warnings or something of that nature that was the driver for how he broke this up because that was my concern like what is the shelf life for these things and the uh engineering consultant wasn't concerned if it was like a three or four year Gap okay I think any more than that then we have to probably look at redoing things um so we're trying to shrink us that's why I did a you know yeah not really the trails committee doing their due diligence and driving the the project forward it's more the funding yeah so mean it would be exactly it's it's that middle no man's land where we're going from uh internally funded uh CPC to okay now we got to figure out alternative sources this is where you know we're going to be working hard towards the end of phase one to talk to surpad to help you know I mean I would like the idea of talk surad to see if they find alternate sources b b time was wealth of information so he he already knows he's he's still on TRC and he's already let them know that we're working on this he shared our initial Proposal with them to what our structure is he's already talking to the other source of national national parks um to let them know so they they they they they're aware of the project aware of the desire for town of Titan to do this work and you know they and they hear that all the time right because there's all these other projects going on but it's something now that's do you know the the Taunton portion of the trail has utilized those same sources um they have access to uh they they did Mass Trails I believe uh then they have city parks or I I forget because when I was on the when I was on the Massachusetts uh page or the different different types of um grants there's there's specific ones for for regional cities that we not that don't apply to us so there is there is some overlap I guess that's the answer well I just think like say if they were awarded something for Mass trails and you apply I think Mass Trail it would be attractive for Mass trails to make the connection yeah will help make the connections yeah it's it's a big push when we're doing these grants that we let them know that this is part of that the Taunton River taunt River uh a community uh Network because they they realized that this is an uh Regional project and they want to connect these things because so this is for the preliminary things that we need when do you see the actual Boardwalk being operational uh I want to say probably five years to the right of that soy2 [Music] yes the fair estimate maybe it'll be us but I mean unfortunately because these things cost as much as they do um and you're looking $148,000 just for the preliminary design and we start talking about final design plus the construction portion of it then that number is probably triple i a question hold on one second da a question question are we doing eligibility or funding so we we we did eligibility in December so we're that is app yes so with the salt marsh um historically that's known for farmers use that for ha like way back when okay so is there any talk about AR archeological resources in there because they put have been na Americans there I don't know if you did some of that before when you're putting trails in that area you know has that inally stays to avoid any well I mean if there's a concern of deterioration of the not necessarily remember talking sweet right I'd like to see those things stay indicted too if they do find anything we have things Gathering Dust In other places now that belong in D you know from a historical perspective now Chef the trails committee would not put that in that would have to be historic or do you have to check off open space Recreation historic preservation so you almost have to do like an archaeological exploration I'm that would be a SE um like sweet NOS um as part of the whole project they called in a team from Palace the they're out OFA and they do those archaeological kinds of things so I guess if your group there H it I forget the rest of their name they would know if they had those concerns they would certainly you know call that out right yeah they uh they sub this out to someone else but course the W group would be the lead yeah their firm that would have to do to diligence to right assume that there isn't any entanglements historical entanglements in there right so we'd have to do it at that time like if they decided they wanted to do that then that would be a separate historic preservation thing because it would cost money usually they just go and um they dig their test holes you know and they look at the different layers and stuff you know part would be part of their project and then you know they make every report of their findings That Into You know probably on the on the construction side of things or the follow on design would be that be the considerations that would yeah not to destroy that exactly we need to look at this a little differently right something some some Provisions would have to be made okay and and the geotechnical I say mostly would be doing all this work okay they'd be doing all yeah so for us it's a onstop shop okay I guess I have a question for you Kevin I should know this but how is the money divided up between open space and Recreation no those are actually fall under the same so if you're talking about a designated fund open space and Recreation can fall together conservation and open space can fall like there's there's some overlap there okay got yeah yeah it's really how we yeah what you know buck so to speak we want to P so sure well anybody else Paul or Jonathan do you guys have any questions so far no no um I guess my my only concern is that it's you know I think it's I I like the idea yeah to be honest with you but um my only concern is that since it's such a sensitive resource area um I was just looking back through the application real quick to see so it looks like we've set aside $14,000 for um for things like the noi engineering peer review all all that that stuff is that that sound about right yes now is that specifically for the um for the noi or is that kind of all inclusive of all of the engineering that would need to be done permitting and that's all those items in the parentheses okay and then the um the total limit of work is um could you just tell us again the um the approximate size and dimensions again right so the the total length is 3/10 of a mile the West entrance uh with a uh turning Northeast and terminating the wood line uh and the whole thing uh what the width has to be to make it 88 compliant but it would have to be 88 compliant you though at the beginning at the end those aren't Ada Trails um so it's a little py on both ends but BK itself would be to be know it wouldn't just be like a like a going out there has to be bump outs at the side going on with whe or with the stroller that picture that you provided and that it's approximately what you're looking at there yeah the boardwalk all the way across entirely is going to have to meet the Ada specs right and that includes the lookout areas or the observation areas you know all the entrance and extra points as well and so forth in the end compared to years ago that enhances the cost Factor because of what the materials you're working with and also potentially if they have to put any kind of pilings into the salt marsh area as well but you know that's that's all going to be built into the process my general question for now I guess would be for the engineering study the initial engineering study do you have an engineer already or does this need to go out to bid so we have a standing contract with horse the Whitten group that that we did uh when we got the mass Trails uh Grant back last year uh so we went out for uh invitation for biid uh and the way uh the Town Administrator worded the uh Award of the contract it's something that he can extend so we have we have an existing contract vehicle uh I'm using the right language to to be able to fund on ongoing work to to to fund TKS and does the with the with the initial study I'm losing my train of thought here I'm sorry there's something in the background but with the initial um study that will be done this is there a deadline when that has to be done is it one year two years is there limit on how long it can take there there really is no limit I'm I'm holding them to be done in the one year year one for phase one and then when I when I spoke to the had no concerns with that timeline so we're what we're trying to do is kind of uh bound everything in phase one for year one on fy2 so that towards the end of that we can work on our our grant documentation uh so we can have a an award by the end of year two on uh some grant funding to to be able to proceed on to phase two Jeff in the contract for the for the phase one study will it will it indicate specifically everything that's going to be done and it may be in there and it's it's on the screen and I just can't see it but does it indicate the full scope of phase one so that the engineering firm is not going to come back and say we've run into a problem we need more dollars to complete yeah we're uh if awarded if we if we get this funding and then we are able to award the tasking the tasking is going to be for the 625 and it's going to it's going to uh have the uh deliverables line out just like in The Proposal here okay not a cost all right that's that's all I have for now thank you and it is possible that based on um how the initial um engineering comes back it is possible you know based on how the remainder of the commission feels once we're at the noi stage that it would be possible you know the commission doesn't have to send it to peer review if all the concerns were uh were you know ameliorated by the initial engineering that would be my that would be my only concern is I guess this would really be a uh you know a measure twice cut once situation because if it did have to go to peer review I I don't think that the $144,000 budget for you know all-inclusive would be sufficient it's just my gut feeling you I could be wrong I'm not an engineer by any stretch of the imagination but um that's just I'm just looking you know from sitting on the commission and you know seeing them come in seeing the costs based on how it comes in because it's such a sensitive resource area I don't know how the rest of the commission would feel or if they' want to require peer review that would be my only concern is that the the 14 might be a little light if it does end up going that direction I think Paul because of the Ada component and all the compliance that's going to be involved in the Ada side of it I would want this to go to peer review well you would not for this portion that would be in phase two under preliminary design correct correct well I'm just speaking as a conservation commissioner for for us we really only have the authority regarding peer review for our you know we've got a fairly well- defined kind of narrow purview so I completely understand that from Ada perspective I'm I'm just thinking about kind of what's in the realm of you know the commission that I sit on um but I I do I do understand I I do definitely um understand that concern okay you know I was I should have clarified I'm sorry no no no thank you just for everyone who may not know noi is is that notice of intent yes yeah I I apologize yeah so so um notice of intent is kind of the second step in an application so essentially what folks would do normally the first thing they would do would be a request for determination of applicability to find out if the Wetland protection act applies since this is you know literally going right basically through a small through broad Cove it will apply um The Next Step would be a notice of intent after the notice of intent the commission would issue it's called an order of conditions then after the order of conditions has been satisfied the final sign off would be the certificate of compliance that that's kind of what the conveyor belt would look like from the conservation standpoint so just to piggyback off of that Paul does the conservation agent have the ability to give like a minor review of the engineering that's submitted from this group just to give it I I know that probably can't give it a full thumbs up but would she be able to review it to the point to alert you the commission as to whether or not it needs to go on to a full beer review yeah absolutely she she um you know she does not represent to be an engineer of course but you know coming from the perspective of a conservation agent and a wetland scientist um she definitely gives a very valuable Dien to looking at these in part of making the determination on whether something ought to go to peer review for conservation or whether the initial engineering is sufficient yeah no she definitely um has the ability to give very valuable input in that regard for sure very what are what are the state requirements for example do we have to bring in anything from environmental Affairs or any of the other agencies Wildlife into this process at any point Point um not to my knowledge um I I could be mistaken so there's some additional considerations that get brought up if the site ends up being in a National Heritage uh Wildlife uh habitat area off the top of my head I don't know if this area in particular is but I don't believe that even brings in um another agency so much as there's just some kind of additional considerations and conditions that become part of the process but no re really for us we're we're we deal with um you know Wetlands vegetated Wetlands uh flood zones tributaries and um you know all the associated buffer zones vernal pools and all of those resource areas but there the National Wildlife component to my knowledge doesn't involve bringing anyone in it's just um triggers a different set of requirements if it was found to be in a national heritage site okay well at minimum you would have your D number right so it's filed with with them yep exactly so yep exactly so there will be a a d file number that gets opened up as part of the noi and um yes so so D we you know we would have the ability to they have we have What's called the circuit Rider which is basically a D um usually Wetland scientist not always but usually at least somebody who's well vered in the ACT who's kind of assigned to be like our troubleshooting liaison almost to the state and um we're also a member of the mass Association of conservation Commissioners so we do have some uh you know additional resources that we can reach out to to get some clarification in a way that you know may not necessarily incur any expense because we have these resources available to us to clarify in situations like this perfect looking can always nobody likes question construction we can look at things from Mass Trails as well once in that phase a lot of these that we've already had fund the construction portion some of them are specific to Engineering Services some of them want shovel ready projects like uh we're we're pushing right now phase one phase two is going to get us on the doorstep to the terminology of the shovel ready project there a lot of a lot of places will fund things if it is shovel ready what's shovel ready shovel ready is you've Engine Services you've done design you've done permitting and now all you got to do is fund the construction of it to to to hit the go button so uh a shovel ready project which is where we're going towards uh will open up uh a lot of different other Grant possibilities we don't have now so um yeah there's nothing it's not definite know which we know are hard but you might want to look into I I would think something like this could be estimated almost by the fourth I would out that you might want to get that number before you do that well I mean it's it's a million dollars a month million okay so it's me that's that's that's the going rate for a trail uh you can you can almost ignore the material so just it's a million dollar a mile uh at today's current rate it's probably 1.5 million is what is what a rail trail cost yeah I don't want to do a study I mean that's get built I mean that's those are figures from uh you know going talking to talking to DCR talking to horley Whit group talking to all these folks when we were looking at the sweet s Trail it was was that 1.1 1.2 million the mile is is the going for a 10 foot wide PA trail with fir Foundation that's going R Trail so hate to say this but we have the right people here to ask the question why do we need a wetlands delimination and it's obvious the thing is 100% Wetlands the process I mean I I I have to defer to no it won't be possible to wave it no is is unfortunately CU because not not all wetlands are created the same on on top of wetlands there's um you know there's there's um tributary to public water supply there's bordering vegetated Wetlands they there's a importance to understand the connection of one Wetland you know understand their hydrological connections to other wetlands in the area um because sometimes when it comes to Wetlands you know it's it's a changing anything changes everything sometimes so um that does involve a little bit more of uh enhan Scopes unfortunately it's something that we wouldn't be able to wave smells like bureaucracy the process and it's in there to protect anybody from do whatevered so the the the trails committee operates underneath Board of SEL would actually be you know Town staff resources that are involved in that 14,000 cost that should the town issue wait I mean it's not maybe the town but they had to hire an outside resource to it depends like U Paul was mentioning if they've got to go out for PE review like that's out some resources but um the processes you know it's it's Conservation Commission involved they again might engage external resources for that yeah that's actually great questions yeah there's the ability for savings there but yeah if it's triggered you want to have it there right right y yeah I mean you know you don't want to speak on on behalf of another town department but typically when it's a town related project any actual permit fees like say if it was a building permit that perit fee would typically get asked to be waved right and conservation has done that as well with you know waving things like noi fees filing fees and things like that so we have done that in the past for other Town entities they did it for me with the parking lot for um works yeah I I can't speak for the rest of the commission but I I frankly don't see any reason that would be an issue on uh on our side I got one more actually somebody's going to ask this may be a default part of that study anyway somebody's G to ask if it's going to block deer from Mar say okay it's help them no com it might be they have that maybe they'll use maybe they'll use the board I I have a house full wild yeah I it's it's going to be elevated so things that can't get on I guess could go under um so I would imagine I a wildlife could cost the TR like I with that I'm not sure any great question though any other I have one more question with the the gap between phase one in phase two is there any thought to seeking additional funding during that period of time to Quicken it instead of waiting for the grants or well has I can see people asking the question of how why are we expending this money if it's going to take so long um the completion of just phase one and phase two of the planning the reason I I I'd say possibly halfway through phase one the reason I say that is some of the engineering work will be done and we'll have we'll have meet uh because if if we kick off looking for Grants at the beginning of phase one you still only have a paper right so it'd be good because at that point there'll be some conceptual drawings perhaps they'll be I call it eye candy right you want some you need eye candy for Grants you need some engineering speak and some some initial assessments of what things are uh and that will help us greatly going into phase two looking for grants for phase two uh so I'd say we're going to do it as soon as we start getting materials back uh we're not going to wait till the very end and go all right let's start now um the intent is to to keep driving to get this going like our goal is to fund phase two to get us to that uh preliminary design finished and then we can then figure out how to finish up the design for Shel ready so there there's some gaps in that we need to f as soon as soon as we can we will yeah well it's always good when when you are applying for the grants too to show that there's a local contribution and you're committed to the project one comment I will make as far as grants go say if you know you are fortunate and so we did the same thing to the library say if you're fortunate to get funding above the need for phase two I would you know love to see it roll back and and you know um roll back into the CPC like if possible like if you got one for a 100 and you you know had an extra 14 I would like to see that yeah go back into and I don't know if you recall the trsc grant we got $40,000 uh we initially went to the trails committee put an article on annual Town meetings and the the town voted to uh award us $40,000 it wasn't part of CPC was just 40 Grand uh on there and uh after after we got the funding from the town we put a grant in it got $40,000 from TRC and we refunded the money back to the town so we've done that before so we definitely be wanting to do that as well yeah um so typically in this situation what we we we can we can do one or two things and we can act on this if we wish we can also take it just take it under advisement until our next meeting so I'll leave that up to the committee members how they want to how they want to proceed um I will say too just from a timeline perspective I do believe that we're probably going to have to try to squeeze in one more meeting before Tom Warren's closed just to make sure we have all our you know T's crossed and eyes dotted for our warrant articles and things like that so I would expect we'll have one more when is that um when do Warren CL is it the end of April mid April I believe it's a 15 15 yeah so within the first we'll have to probably have another meeting within the first two weeks of April just to make sure that we're all set for our stuff to to meeting we're going to start the discussion tonight but I think that a little premature so above and beyond this one request is just general but I I brought up with the um here the project been sitting out there for a while the ramp yeah which is that we want to going forward in our um warn articles have something about corre I mean it would be my my opinion to take it under advisement and then we can kind of you know maybe drop some language between Mr chairman that was going to be my suggest as well to take it under advisement simply because there may be a few other questions that we still have um I think that Jeff done a great job with the presentation today Jeff thank you very much and um you know I don't know if we'll need to have you come back the next meeting or not um but I just think it's a lot to digest and a lot to think about I also think it's a great project but I would like to make a motion that we take this under advisement until our April meeting I have a motion to take it under advisement I have a second second second uh any discussion at least just make sure put all those in favor I think I think we have to do a roll call because we have zoom as well all right Kevin Smith I Wilson i i i Paul Reynolds I Jonathan Gale iers I bran sedron I all right so it is unanimous all right thank you thank Jeff put the chair back it's on the camera too all right so I have a typo in the um in the agenda next was annual public meeting um just to be proactive and make sure that we meet the deadlines for our um our postings to the local media um my thought was to do it in conjunction with our main meeting because we'll be past any annual town meeting business and it will kind of just be a there shouldn't be really much going on at that meeting so I think that I think that's what we did last year was the month before annual um so I'll just look at dat sure so that would be the 16th so someone would like to make make a motion to set that date motion to set the date for our annual meeting to May 16th uh any discussion ran S I P RS I Jonathan Gale I kin Smith hi so next again I don't because of the typo I don't think we can vote on it but I just want to pull it up quick so you guys can see it um so I did reach out to American vinyl graphics and you did put together um so it's pretty much a it's a carbon copy of the big sign that we have that's still posted out at the North L playground um what I did ask him to do though is because to make it a little bit more user friendly because it should this the it is part of the requirements of our application is um have it posted at any project that is funded by this to make an effort to make it a little bit more mobile I did H ask him to resize it as a four by 4T by 4T square and my thought was that we could you know post it mount it on a stand where it could be as opposed to just that giant board that doesn't you almost have to screw into something you know or least there or it leans there ends up tossed in the bush so he did it I just had him reuse the same language so it's just me uh zo out of this little there we go so supposed to say act okay yeah to catch so I me personally I do like it where it's a little bit uh I guess it's a tossup between the way it's uh f as well well it should say I think it's to the ACT makes us be you could say community preservation funds yeah I know that so the old it is cut off but I did send a picture of the old one and I know the old one says act yes semantics I guess we could change it if we wanted I guess I was more thinking about like you know I kind of like this where because it draws your eyes to the citizens of Dian on top like you catch that first instead of it being down the bottom like in the next line so I do like that we do need to make that um adjustment to say that the monitor up on the I Have It On full volum can so for instance likeed at the library and then once it's completed and every time P yeah I'll I'll um I do have a quote just so everybody's aware I do have a quote on this it was $750 I do anticipate that there'll be some additional cost to get some materials to make a stand for it um but again I'll ask him to make that correction and then we'll just I'll put make sure it's on the agenda for the next the next meeting so new business we have um the historical commission's application to eligibility want close small steps the reason we do this is because the [Music] information so the funding allow [Music] we were looking at what would beable [Music] and under so we were just kind of you know like let's take smaller steps 10 we'll do 10 more now 10 next year just to keep it going because part of our mission is to be always documenting and identifying so we'd like to see something in a cycle that's going every every year that we get something done I do have one quick question so when you do these are all for obviously PRI private residents right right um there I mean it's small but you are investing you know having their property assessed or you know certified as historical what's to prevent them from like making changes nothing right so nothing dtan doesn't have any um bylaws for preservation so homeowners can do whatever to their historic properties that they want we don't have any local historic districts we don't have any um what they call architectural preservation areas so we're kind of like looking into both of those uh as possibilities to help save things but save resources and but we need this information that you would begin that all of those surveys are done from the public way it's just a quick snapshot look at say the house it's my house a she's on the sidewalk she's now Crossing on private property just taking the pictures of the house and then goes and does the research the Deep research the owner research that you know what makes it historical why is it important to D um so it's a quick snapshot and you end up actually there's more information to be found I did one for my mom mom's house my mom was on Pleasant Street and I grew up down there so we always knew that it was the George Washington cob house we knew it was a historic house but we didn't know and it was included in the um survey that we did in um 2021 2022 was included in the area for for sou dtan a quick snapshot yesterday was George Washington cl's house he lived there with his wife he was a ship captain he was in the Civil War that was it so I did more research on it and did the owners between George Washington C and when we owned it so I expanded that research a little bit so I can take that now and actually add it to the um ma website continuation continuation worksheet so all of these things just Iden as yes it's historic and this is the reason why and but they need more research so sometimes even in the form fors I should bring one of the forums maybe next meeting and give you a little demonstration it'll say more research needed on this or more research in this area um so that you have other ways you know other things to look at but the point of contining these surveys is to move towards actually setting something in stone that's going to protect these properties attemp if we can yeah is that the oldest house in town the C house no oh okay no the oldest houses are they're down on Water Street okay yeah right okay right you Pleasant to lose yeah Farm might be six month's Corum is 1699 and um the halfway house that right now is not looking too spiffy is that the one boarded up yeah yeah yeah the John halfway house and Charles W Marsh has a lot of significant history that one is they say circus 1700 but it could be 1699 because Corum and haway were business partners building ships on the warp where the joh Y Club is you said it was only residences so it would include the church no it includes churches cemeteries buses resources on sometimes you know if you have a monument you can do you know do a monument if it's historic um we just finished up the one in for North f it included m p um not the factory so much but um the park that are there um you have that what do they call it Schoolhouse Park is between Chase Street and Summer Street I didn't I never knew that area had a name um it also shows of uh the service the ball field yeah service driveways entrance for in back some of the hoses um the park right across from the plant um that originally was designed by the onstead brothers so they're landscaping company and we just had the trees they were dying so they just were cut down like in 2023 but that was all designed on want to see those landscape designs when they were designing that part it had benches too yeah yeah well I think there's no question that it's eligible we've done it a few times already so we even ineligible now we've been doing something wrong for while right the other thing too is we figured 10 because we get so much information that to go through it is you know just read it and go through it and decide you know what are the priorities in fact we started having a separate working committee time to do just looking at survey forms because you can't do it in a regular meeting with everything else right will entertain a motion to accept the historical commission's application for eligibility so moved a second second any discussion we'll do another roll call vote alici wison I Paul rolds I Jonathan Gail I meerson I BR Dron I Kevin Smith I there a good book about it called the SW to it's all about West it was written by somebody inth by Otis di but um there's a lot in there that's Ian yeah micro yeah the umth Historical Society used to have copies if they still have any of that book MH met my remember a couple times I will I will all right so next up um discuss an act annual time meeting CBC housekeeping waren articles um we don't have to make any decisions on that tonight probably best to and I'm happy to do it to just kind of based on a little bit of discussion tonight we can draft some and then we can go through and uh of live I'll just pull up a word do we got to change some stuff around we can do it like that um one thing I just wanted to note so we we have the 10 10 10 and five one thing that we've been tracking this year and it might be a little bit off but so we've um the the 5% that we do and particularly for the part-time clerical so as for um Elizabeth's cler position we we've only spent 200 bucks of us year so yes so we actually went back with with from her time sheets and also double checked with the account I'll go I'll make sure that I have the exact numbers um for NE for next month um but it's nowhere near what we're allocating for it and not that that's a problem we're just waiting to put that money into another fund until it goes into it ends up in the whatever we don't expend end up in the undesignated at the turn of the the fiscal year but why put it in there when not coming close to using it um so we can kind of have a discussion around that maybe make tightening up those parameters a little bit um because yeah we do split up evenly so it's 2,000 to clerical 2,000 to professional Technical and then a thousand to Communications um and usually the professional Tech and our Communications for when we need to post um like our annual meeting or if there was any other public hearings we would utilize that those funds I think that was only even last year I want to say it was like 180 bucks I'll find that receipt yes yeah it's by where but for some reason around $180 was like sticks in my head for what it cost to do it in the Gazette for the two weeks or whatever they need to run it so I'll put together some of those costs so we can kind of figure out if we do want to dwindle that down and then also too we can have like a little bit let me start it now too if like anybody has any thoughts about the 10% is just a minimum so you have to put at least 10 but if we want to start gearing towards bolstering up any one of the designated funds we certainly could do I'm going to lean towards all and I have talked about you know the possibility of the Town creating an affordable housing trust which like we could fund that so um I personally would be in favor of you know starting to set up so that the community housing fund got maybe just a little bit more than historical in open States because that's when we saw when we did last year's annual public meeting like historically since the the we adopted CPA we barely even given anything to housing that the one time 153 for the electrical panels you do I do in 2018 and are all the way in oh so you're getting close to the end yeah get close to the end Transformers they have Pian and all like that but it's it okay Mone sitting there it's waiting so that's that's not a problem yeah so like historically we we've only ever given to community housing $136,200 well that's that's so um and like probably it's probably better suited to have the conversation a deeper conversation kind of get it out to the public too at our annual with me and talk a little bit more about it but I would just personally would like to see us you know shift a little bit more towards yeah it would kind of be nice to highlight the resources we have what we've funded and then we we concentrated a lot of effort last year on trying to draw different people in for new ideas but could also be helpful talk about past projects yes so I did check on that too nobody has nobody has the invoice yet yeah I figured was a while ago started that but um yeah but I do have a note into the Town Clerk and to the town that if that always pops up to get it to us so we can get anybody have any other thoughts on um the housekeeping stuff or do you want want to go that route will um draft those based off last year's language um I'll I can also I can also draft one I do have it on there so the next item was um discussing that to meting CBC project warrant articles um I can draft the two articles and I'll make sure that we have the language in the article like that coincides with our application or the timeline we can that way we have them ready so if we decide collectively that we do want to move forward on the trails we'll have that article ready and we can just add it to that list instead ofbody thater placeholder yeah well we do have a placeholder for our housekeeping items however the projects we want to absolutely make sure we have any once Clos will be well we can make we can the committee so chooses at the next meeting we could just like we did tonight we'll have the option to either approve the application for funding or corre correct which again we can we can do that live take that much time get the me of the Articles and we can the numbers in I won't even I won't even put numbers in discussion and then just plug them in anybody else have any other new business public input as that motion to second second those in favor do call Paul Reynolds I Jonathan Gil Ione I Kevin Smith I we are adjourned at 6:45 thank you everyone thank you everyone scho AC different pieces of that one