##VIDEO ID:UitScuO2xaE## call this uh meeting for the finance committee of Tuesday October 15 2024 to order and uh for the for the Spiel beforehand the this agenda is subject to revisions and additions up until the meeting time and these items may or may not be uh the only things presented um and discussed and discussed now if I we stand for the Pledge of [Music] Allegiance the United States of America and to the Republic for it stands one nation God indivisible withy and justice for all because it takes so with our with our one Zoomer uh we do have to do uh roll call so we'll start start over on the left Doug white s Susan Len present Ron McKay Peter Ro present Tracy kol present Thomas Aro present's present Jake I will keep checking over there if you want to hit the um the hand thing so I know you I'll also just yell at you if I need to how about that depend what you're going to yell yes sure valid valid it is being recorded that's true all right so we are here tonight to uh go over the special town meeting warrant for November 14 2024 and this before um before we start on those I just wanted to go over a couple of numbers that Serena had sent around uh couple of relevant numbers uh General stabilization coming into the year was uh just just under 1. n94 Capital stabilization stabilization coming into the year was just under 1. 569 and free cash for 2025 to 2024 uh 1,175 393 all right so we have the first article that um will be relevant to us would be article two from the draft which is the uh convergent Bill uh related to the cameras from two years ago I do you guys have a I don't have a copy because I wasn't here last I can share yeah okay thank you just so you know when uh Karen sends us the agenda packet you can if you would like a Cy copy just let her know haveed okay great thank you as we discussed on this last week although um we are not thrilled with paying this bit as um Serena brought up they send this to collections then the fees with collections legal fees Etc um this has been cut down quite a bit from the initial bill I think uh although we don't like it I don't think we have a choice yeah we do it's just not a choice we like to mean do we have probably not the best one do they have a maintenance contract or these are the people that installed this correct and then they came out to fix it and they were unable to fix it right and I don't believe there was a maintenance contract was there and I mean who was dealing with them and you know I watched the meeting last night so I guess the town does not issue POS correct correct correct it didn't seem like the chief knew who I don't know thrown in it was actually started before McDonald I believe McDonald yeah Bob McDonald when they went in and then Chief Cronin when the issue happened and then Nichol I mean if somebody came to my house and fixed something and charged me this and did to to fix something and didn't do it I I don't know but I I just feel like somebody should know what the deal was right the ball was dropped somewhere who is in charge of contracts Etc in that department so it it should be the department head of each department um Mr Mullen was doing a lot of things for a lot of departments um but it it does start in each department themselves I I I mean I might be timeline might be off but I believe that in the time frame of when this service would have happened there were some outside things going on at that point that uh might have been a reason yeah it was it would been right around that time right with the previous Chief yeah well I'm sure going forward it's something that the slugman would sort of push for them to uh you know be more observant about because you know this is something that is um at the the best circumstance and I in the future I know this was an old bill but should it come out of their budget again it's a tough position for chief Cronin he had nothing to do with this and knows nothing of it n oh Nicholl excuse me um yeah then being in the prior year bill it would it can't come out of the current year it's got to be the voted separately cash and we have all kinds of documentation that shows the original Bill a letter that we sent out them coming back with a smaller Bill I'm not sure that would would have all gone through the police department definitely have the original Bill and then the one that got passed around last week yeah I've only seen the most current one the 1758 could that could the original one have been before you even um maybe I came in August of 22 it's probably right around then yeah this one is dated oh June of 23 yeah that's probably going [Music] adjust I don't know what what else yeah ideally tell them where to stick it but right I make a motion that we vote to um support funding this uh article number two as written from second from free cash oh from free cash thank you second second uh all in favor Jake we're gonna start with you Tom fine I I Peter I I Susan I I yeah one of the things that I you know we had kind of talked about this in one of our previous meetings is this year coming around you know this is special meeting so there's not uh it's not the same as the the main primary meeting at the beginning of the year for us but when we're doing these next year for the Department budgets and overviews I think we should start stressing some things to them about how important it is to be as accurate as their funding request as humanly possible um and if there is budget allocated and there's something like this comes up next year it should be reduced from their existing budget because we're going to be strapped for cash for the foreseeable future and while this one is only you know 1,700 bucks I I don't want to see somebody come back and say oh we got a bill for 11 Grand or I got a bill for 18 Grand or you know because we're just saying okay yep send it and we'll approve it so I know that's this is not really the forum for that but it is something that and we've talked about it previously like next year we really need to have a conversation with every department head about this um because you know while it's not a big sum this time it could be next time and or it could be a bunch of little sums that add up to a big sum the previous finance committee do just as a Qui question um so I think in the past we've actually had more prior year bills under under past Town accountants more prior year bills that ended up not getting into the correct year so I mean Serena's done a great job one that's really a two-year-old bill that we were fighting for a year otherwise we wouldn't have had any prior year bills which I mean in the past we've had six seven eight nine bills um so I mean from that standpoint Serena is doing a great job so really the future we're looking at it being more of an anomaly yeah than a stand you know which basically this is an anomaly because it's not a it's not even a 24 bill it's a 23 Bill oh okay I would I would have to agree with with Jake though you know if you present a budget and you say okay this is what it's going to be and then you know like we had at that meeting and it's like oh by the way they forgot this and oh by the way they went over on this it's like you know I'm sorry well it depends on on the other uh people on the other side are they willing to fight for this you know to spend money on their end right to go to court try to get the money a broader conversation right it's just you know that's something we'll have when we're approaching town meeting next year and we're doing budget stuff I think it's just maybe even we send out a memo you know we draft something that says hey guys you know let's just be really uh as as much as humanly possible we know that some of these departments there is wiggle room and gray areas and things like that as far as funding but you know I think it's just we can we can do something simple to emphasize the point again for this coming year I think I need to ask a favor what uh can someone keep track of where we are on free cash I can do that okay um and the thing with the prary bills it really comes down to the Departments as well um you know I asked cences and then we get into July and August and then they realize they didn't cover the money and it's a prior year bill so a lot of it comes from you know the record keeping of each department knowing what bills they have outstanding and what has made it to my desk and what hasn't you know unfortunately I I see it on the end part when they're trying to pay something I don't know you know I can't keep up with every Department with what they have for their you know because and I've said it many times that you know I don't know what that department is ordering I don't know what they're buying like that's really beyond my control because we don't use the PO system um in the small town it is kind of hard to track these type of things yeah so continuity helps that and when you when you've got turnover of police chief then that kind of yeah a lot of things hurts yeah the emails and things AR but I think they the police department has definitely tried to streamline um you know any invoices being emailed and especially now with the deputy chief um I think they're they're starting to get into a good Rhythm over there now for sure yeah I think there's a order in and buying that's one thing you have your budget you know you can order you know you can buy within that budget but when you have something like this that comes up and it's something that broke and you expect the vendor to come fix it and they can't fix it and they bill you anyway this falls out of that I don't think you can plan for this type of a thing and um it would be more costly I mean we're paying the bill because it would be more costly on to when was the police station built how many years five years are we in the fifth year of the bond or the seventh approxim it's like five five seven yeah of a 30-year Bond 20 for the police station I think I don't that's the treasurer's office controls the debt I don't really watch think it that would be nice to know I'm not 100% positive but I think it 20 yeah all right so article three um a lot of times we've we've done three and four in this in the spring but um being the year that it is it is good to get this done now and while we have free cash and and not have to worry about it so this is uh 106,7 for the fourth year of fourth payment of a seven-year lease on the fire engine um which generally would just come from free cash does anybody have any questions on that this is coming from if they yeah if if approved Jake any questions anyone else no I make a motion we vote to recommend um the sum of free cash a second uh all in favor Doug will start with you test time I Susan I Ron I Peter I Tracy I Tom I Jake I all right and number three number four along the same lines it is the second year second payment on a three-year lease on the ambulance which we typically take that money out of the ambulance fund so rather than free cash it would be a trans from the ambulance fund that was going to be my only question was does it have to go to free cash and then be paid or does it come directly out of the ambulance fund it would be transferred right out of the ambulance fund nice all right um which just uh just to follow up on that the balance as of September 25th was 560 just under 568 568 th000 okay any other I'll make a motion to um approve to see if the town will vote to raise an appropriate and transfer from available funds a sum of $145,500 6 to be expended by the fire chief as the second payment of a three-year lease purchase of a new ambulance or take any other action relative there to and and fund it from the ambulance fund uh yes fund it from the ambulance fund okay second uh all in favor Tom Tom I Tracy I Peter I Ron I Susan I Doug I Jake I I made the motion that's funny I got to say hi again all right could you do me 56,000 is the um balance on the in the ambulance uh fund as of September 2 the ambulance F okay but that's not the balance on the no no there's one one more payment left on the uh lease yeah so a threeyear lease three year y the fire engine the the um ambulance ambulance 45 yep so the last payment will be December 2 ambulance thank you then do we have a biod do just out of curiosity do I know it's a lease payment but do we do we have a buyout purchase option on that ambulance afterwards you do yeah they're all buy out great all right Article Five uh is a a lease payment on the excavator second second year payment on a four-year lease on the excavator we did the first year at annual uh $ 31942 generally we would do that through free cash any questions on that that doesn't come out of the highway superintendent budget no no the leases we typically will do out of typically out of free cash free cash any any kind of equipment I make a motion we vote to recommend uh the sum of 31,900 429 as proposed in Article Five from free cash second all in favor Doug we'll start with you this time Doug I Susan I Ron I Peter I Tracy I Tom I Jake I all right I am going to skip we'll come back to there three four that I want to come back to five that I want to come back to 6 12 17 18 19 if nobody has any issues with that no no okay so the next one then would be number seven which is um $36,000 to fund the settlement of the uh D police officer local 306 collective bargaining agreement uh typically what well what we like to do with anything that's going to be a ongoing normal expense would be to raise an appropriate and we do have the availability in the levy to raise an appropriate both this and number eight for the settled contracts um but if we do not use it from free cross and we're raising an appropriate are we increasing the budget it would be increasing the budget but still within the levy what would end up happening if we don't put it into raise an appropriate then as the increases go in next year we're putting this plus the increase in to next year's right if we don't do it from free cash if we don't do it from Raising appropriate because then that won't it won't build into our into the levy limit oh that's right that's right it'll be like double next year yeah sorry can I this my question yeah is there somebody on the finance committee as like the secretary taking notes sort of yes okay I just want to make sure yeah that's why I am too in it's recording as well right yeah okay been using the recordings to do that oh okay perfect yeah so he's using less less what is it work work smarter not harder yeah yeah yeah I got my little AI buddy going for any questions or discussion on seven I make a motion we vote to recommend article number seven as pre uh presented to vote uh as a vote to raise an appropriate the amount of $36,000 um as a as payment of the recently Le settled D police officers local bargaining agreement second all in favor Tom will start Tom I Tracy I Peter I Ron I Susan I Doug I Jak and number eight is is similar uh 17 362 for communications with 16962 being for personnel and 400 for expens and the same settled the 911 dispatches local 502 Collective marketing agreement yeah I'll make a motion to uh raise an appropriator transfer from free cash um $1,362 to fund the communications account 2115 um as uh stated in article six as rais sorry on article eight sorry dyslexia RA in appropriate as rais in appropriate Jake yep raise in appropriate I said I said raise inappropriate or transfer from free cash yeah so now when you make the motion you've gotta you've got to choose it's Choose Your Own Adventure gotcha uh well we typically would do free cash here right so because it's uh because it's salaries and a on a completed negotiation we would we would try to put it in raise an appropriate we do have the okay all right let's do that then all right so I'm going to say I'm going to make a motion to approve article 8 as written to raise and appropriate um this sum of $1 17,360 from the communications account 215 and from the uh Personnel expenses of 6,962 and for $400 for the communications department's expense line Second all in favor Doug Doug I Susan I Ron I Peter I Tracy I Tom I all right um there nothing new to on number nine um no okay so there are a couple things that uh might have to we we'll schedule a meeting right before the special town meeting and this might be one thing that just has to be discussed but if we have no definitive number is it not voted on um yeah I mean if we don't have a definitive then they would have to wait until June I I think they're pretty close um I had a brief discussion with Chief McGee this morning um so I'm hoping definitely by the 14th that they'll have the contract ratified okay thank you thanks so number 10 is um $99,000 for 100 Park no parking signs which as um Mr Ferry mentioned was going to be at um intersections along mostly along Williams yes um which seemed mostly I'm gonna guess it's there's a lot of Amazon in there and uh people probably not paying attention yeah um I mean to me this one's kind of a safety thing so right we voted that there were no parking zones at the town meeting so yeah you got to mark them yeah um and this would typically we would do free cash I make a motion we vote to recommend article number 10 uh as a free cash payment of $9,000 as noted in the article second all in favor Tom I Tom I I Peter I Ron I Susan I Doug I Jake I all right uh number 10 along the same lines um number 11 number 11 thank you Tracy 10,000 that was whereing at the 10 all right uh the the number got reduced to 10,000 and that is to fix the traffic control cabinet over at over by the Aggy school um so I should say repair right instead of purchase correct yeah yeah so yeah so change change that to repair and the dollar amount to 10,000 so this is 10,000 not 32 yes yeah theyve um found out that they could fix it and not didn't have to fully replace oh well good for them so when I had asked if the school pay taxes they do not so um because these like this traffic control box there is we're investing in it because of the school there do we have R any recourse for any reimbursements along the way I mean because uh Tom didn't indicate any yeah he I think it's cuz like we own that part of the street there but I got it but I I guess we're incurring costs for an entity that we're not getting any taxes from which happens a lot yeah I mean I think you did kind of say that you know the town is responsible for the road you know I think that's the way he tried to explain it I understand argument yeah yeah but I but I'm getting where Sue is going as well it's like you know we're responsible for upgrades Etc yes with uh yeah I guess if some if one of the things that he had mentioned was that someone was almost hit if someone were hit would they would sue Bristol agie they would sue us they would sue the crossing guards yes yeah yeah oh I see the need for it but yeah it does seem like we should be able to get something so can we send them a bill come back they would add it to their by um I make a motion we vote to recommend that the town vote to transfer from available funds the amount of $10,000 to be expended by the highway superintendent for the repair of a traffic control cabinet to be located at Center Street crosswalk in the area of Bristol County agie I agricultural High School free cash I said available funds same thing but no from free cash I will specify I'll specify free cash second all in favor Doug I Susan I Ron I Peter I Tracy I Tom I Jake I all right we're is better than 32 way better we're going to skip uh skip 12 for now I'm here I'm here for this article 13 only for Pat GS who was unable to be here okay she me to okay no problem just where we are yeah before um before we is there anything that you'd like to speak to the article about I'm not prepared to speak to it but I'm a resident and um I work with Pat Gils at the Historical Society as well as projects she's doing and at the BR Massachusetts Society of chologist and so we're into history and it's a big deal the country is going to be 250 years old um we had put out a $30,000 estimate based on previous costs from other Town anniversaries and printing and portons and just all kinds of things they're very expensive so we paired that all down we were going to ask for 30,000 over three years but we also recognize the financial uh place that the town is right now and you live here too and pay taxes so it's a tough situation so what we did was like Pat said got it down to one big event um which would be held in 2026 but the reason we have to come now is in order because there's so many events all over the country if we want this big event um in October of 2026 we have to guarantee funds to them in February of 25 and that's $88,000 so we we literally just cut everything down except for we have to promise them we have the money in order for them to book us um we do plan on trying to get volunteers sponsors not just asking businesses to give us money but for some time or whatever their business might do maybe they can help us with that aspect of it um and do as much as we can on our own we understand the situation you know it's a little embarrassing to actually ask for any money but it's important I think I think it's important to educate the children um and to celebrate can I ask one question so this 8,000 is it full payment for whatever activity you're doing for this or is it a down payment it is a full payment okay is a bare minimum full payment um Rich Gunther is on our committee and he is part of the 13th Continental that they work with raob minut men and he with help and volunteers he thinks he can get it done for 8,000 so that's all we'd be committed to 25 it could go over a little bit and would have a year and a half to come up with a little bit more money y if we have to um but that's what they need to hear from us that we will we will pay for it if we book it okay um the AG school is hopefully potentially it's not rning Stone yet but going to be the location um they seem to be very infused about it so um there'd be help coming from that aspect as well okay so um we we tried to do what we could to to help to make to have something so Dayan has something yeah um what we might come for in a few years or maybe not at all is to come out with a book at the end of all of this made in 27 with biographies and you know more about the it wasn't just the soldiers that fought dyon played a big part in in um supplementing the war um and was left in really not very good shape financially 600 families moved out of dtan after the war after being very successful before the war so it's it's it's history and it's important to us um that's that's why we ask we understand we understand the situation though now the explanation helped and she said it was going to be October of 26 October 26 yeah it would be a weekend event where they would camp out they would have activities so you the people could go we could go through children would have events that they could participate in they would give Candlelight tours at night um you could see the workings during the day as well as what it takes to sleep over and then on the Saturday I'm not sure it was the Saturday or the Sunday they would actually recreate a battle a real battle and uh there's something to say it's pretty amazing any other questions no somebody come from that is the decision are there uh any budgets that were underutilized so that's everything in free cash is is uh the under underutilized or or underutilized expenses or excess Revenue to B couldn't sponsor it through USAA that would be nice is it possible to table it for right now and go through the rest of the Articles and pay what we need to pay out of free cash and see what's left end before we commit to it right now is that an option I'm fine with that I know it's probably not the answer that you that's fair I mean that's fair I understand I just think we have some serious Financial things that we need to really address right now and even if we just wait to take a look at it at the end right here when we've gone through all the things that do have to be paid and then see what's left at the end does that reasonable are you okay with that Jake I'm totally fine with that okay all right so we'll go on to 14 uh 14 is one one police vehicle for um 202 for the year 2025 um one of the things we talked about at the last meeting was that we have tried to buy one vehicle per year and there were over the last 10 years there's been at least we it seems like they go in groups where we can't buy one for two years and then you'll go for a few years and then we can't buy one for two years so the only kind of kind of similar to the lease payments where a lot of times we would wait this wait for something like this till this spring if we didn't do one last year but we did um seems it would make sense to me to do one now so that we're sure that we're doing one in 2025 well it in June uh yeah at the June toown meeting we voted that was 24's car okay but we had just got the other one that was that was new got totaled got replaced so we have that one on so even though we may not have kept up right now they've got a new one and a new one coming from the June meeting I think we've got them all now right we've got yeah oh and even the June meeting we've got that one now too the one that from June was the one that came last two weeks ago so yeah five 583 with 200 miles on it he got two weeks before and um 582 and replac the total vehicle and I want to say that one we might have gotten jish we got that one just tce I think we had to pay the invoice in like April or May okay that was that the $5,000 difference between the insurance and I'm I'm gonna tend to agree I guess you know I don't understand you know unless these cars are inoperable why we're buying a new car every single year um especially at the cost of $75,000 a pop um did we get any and I I was on for part of the meeting but but had to hop off you know is there a a quote unquote like staffed police vehicle level that they are ideally at and if there is where are we compared right now to how many cars we have active yeah so he did hand out the list with the uh miles and the recent maintenance on the cars um the one that he said that this one would the the current Chief's car would replace a car with 158,000 miles on it uh 2014 but it's still it's still working okay though I guess is my question uh it's working uh right now it's down to detail so I think what they would do would be basically move the chief's car to more of an active move one of the older actives to detail so basically shift everything down and that's sort of what they're do they're going 100 miles a shift and there's a whole host of maintenance issues that you get and it seems like earlier than I would have thought but you know these maintenance issues are coming up sooner so I I think we probably have to replace things sooner rather than later because transfer cases aren't cheap rebuild motors um and get these off to auction and it's more the more the hours than the miles because right it's the idol it's the idle hours it's not really the miles what were you gonna say Tom I think overall I'd like to know what the police budget in this town how it compares to other comparable towns I was down at the police station a while back and I drove in and I was amazed at the vehicles two pickup trucks a Tahoe and I heard that every police officer has his own Cruiser is that true I don't know I also don't understand why Dion has a detective so I don't mean to pick on the police department but all I know is that the taxes in this T town are too high and we need to generate revenue and we need to slice some from the budget some money from the budgets and the police budget is one of the largest and again I don't mean to pick on the police I want a good strong police force I want them to have what they need but again I I just I drove in and I think I counted 11 Cruisers I don't see a cruiser on the street I I totally agree I to I completely agree I hardly ever see a cruiser go by my house I had an ATV stolen A couple of years ago and again I don't mean to rag on the police but they did absolutely Ely nothing what do we have a detective for so it's just I think it's something I think I don't know what the process is if we sit down with each department and go over their budgets but I'd like to see their budget and uh well that's next year that's for June okay right that's what that's what we do for that so I I personally think we should put this on hold until we do that I I I tend I tend to agree uh on a lot of what you just said and I'm I'm also okay with kicking the can so to speak and if they want to approach us next year for it then we can have that conversation relative to their overall annual budget um but I I I tend to agree that's my two cents so just for for everyone's educational moment you can you can go on the do uh local services website and you can see the police fire the highway budgets for every all 351 cities and towns um it's something I've done in the past which I know I'm sorry I had free time um and and at the at the time definitely dayon compared to other towns was was um we were on the lower end um for the police budget or okay yeah right but we're also on the lower end for population Jake yeah what I did was I did it based on yeah per capita Nota okay but definitely you know I would encourage everybody to go out there and and take a look yeah that's a great that's a great thing I didn't know that was I actually did that on the revenue side but I on Theo can we um make a motion and vote on it whether it's going to be yay or uh we can we can it's we haven't had a put forward a motion that the town will vote to raise an appropriate and transfer from available funds the sum of $75,000 for the purchase of one fully equipped administrative police vehicle including a radio antenna and any other related accessories or take any other action relative there to from free cash before I second second this oh we are not talking raise inappropriate we are talking transfer from free cash you for a car we would yeah Ty so I'm going to Second his motion with the Trans uh transfer from free cash okay um we'll go on this side Doug I Susan nay it second oh Su second Ron I Peter I Tracy I I'm sorry did Susan nay can I abstain or do I you can do whatever you want yeah I'd like to abstain 42 one actually I'm Gonna Change it to Nay if that's okay that's fine so four three before you go on can I just I don't need to stay to watch your whole meeting but I just want I'm going to leave I just wanted to say thank you for considering our request I appreciate that thank you thank you for coming thank you for coming and just you know I I want everyone to vote the way that they feel so don't no one should hesitate so no Jud again I I want the police to have what they need but again I just yeah it's um I don't know I think you know first of all I think the police station is overblown why didn't we build a combination police fire station I so and that's my two sents that was a discussion we had with them at the time too um we don't we don't need to vote on money coming out of opioid um I think you has a financial all right so number 15 would be uh so I have one question yeah so being at 43 we recommend so 43 the warrant will say finance committee recommends okay and again when we get to the meeting you know everyone vote the way that they want to vote because finance committee recommends doesn't mean that all seven of us are going to be voting us for all 75 articles in okay sir um oh yes I uh make a motion we vote to recommend um Article 15 as presented any questions on that Jake I don't know if you were there when they talked about that um I don't think I was so but I don't have any I don't have any questions I read through it I from previous conversations I think I'm all right okay we did have 21,000 uh in the settlement account that can only be spent on things related y any other any questions on that how do we spend the other 19 um that was one of my points to both the chief and the Board of Health that you know they they're restricted they're very restricted very restrictive hopefully they'll they'll start coming up with some programs that we we can use use the money as it as it's coming in I took a webinar and you know because we received such a low dollar Mount they were basically suggesting us to work with another town and to collaborate and to do something else with town that would you know so little money it' really be hard for us to yeah so like Taunton got a lot of money yeah or they saying like gather small towns yeah okay small towns around and we all kind of pull our small money together and put together something to do what so yeah it can be like awareness um prevention um and it was more of things to help supplement programs that were already in place place or already established right like the Dare program that they used to have in the schools I'm surprised why you're not using funds on something like that it's yeah I don't know if this is something similar to D because they're hand they're doing handouts to all the kids right right drug prevention yeah um but it is um you know kind of more controlled through the Board of Health and I think Barra and the cham was also on that webinar you know what sad is none of this can be recommended for any type of religious group or something like that knew that yeah and yet those are the most productive if you take a look at the actual um the if you research what it is the um percentages are way higher with religious groups than they are for success rate for success rate yes so extremely higher um to did you have a motion I did okay it has not been seconded yet it was seconded okay Tom we'll start with you um Tom I Tracy I Peter I Ron I Susan I Doug I Dr I all right 16 does have a dollar amount but it's all CPA CPC so we don't need that 17 18 and 19 I want to hold and that might be the end of we don't have to do we don't have to do anything with fines and lean Municipal charges okay I have a question the findes uh where does that money go right now it goes to the general fund right Serena yeah which um the municipal the conservation charges yes right conservation right so at the same time there was a couple they might also be requesting a revolving fund coming up in June um because I know the police needed to change their revolving as well and I bumped both of those to June um so I didn't read in depth what the what the conservation wanted for a revolving fund but I think it was something to do with fines um but if this goes into place you know that's it's kind of the great area like collectible funds are a general fund so we'll have to see specifically what they're looking for to create a revolving fund well I know with the Fine Collection they were hoping to um gather some of the funds for repeated visits say for inspection sites or whatever and this way you're getting some money in order to pay these employees yeah so yeah so on the rep peat visits that's right they did say that so that um probably could be something that could go into the revolving but like the initial inspection like the fines that we have in place right now where the fees to go inspect is General fun like I wouldn't expect the fees to go towards clothing allowances and things like that I mean it's all yes I agree yeah because there's an application fee and then there's fines and where does the application fee is that just another Revenue Source yeah and it goes General funds do we have a projection on how much they have collected on these applications and findes in the recent past um I but I have to look in the system for it significant I I don't think it's that much yeah um so in my mind I've tried to tie six and 12 together in 178 and 19 together if we could maybe we'll go back to number six article six where we're at a pre cash 542,000 is available okay 542 N9 942 okay 942 and what is the what is the amount of the one 1.3 and a half that we get back I forget up top of my head 56% 56% but we have to put that up front or how does that work yeah we would be spending it and it would then come back from timing perspective it would be in the same budget year so even though we're voting on The 1 three it's really the you know 44% or whatever that we're paying in the same in one budget year conceivably I mean I I probably wouldn't count on it yeah right I I would probably say that if it if we're voting on it in November you probably not going to see the reimbursement before June 30th and we need to put all of it before or is it paid out in installments so the physical payment would be in installments but the the funding of it would be all at once right I guess my my I just want to you know if we have 900 in free cash and we we want to spend 1.3 right and if it's all coming in all out or if it's all coming out at once it doesn't matter what we're getting back if we don't have it so that's what I was just trying to understand but doesn't look like that's going to put us upside down so that's all I was trying to understand is just making sure that we're not upside down okay correct you've got it okay um so I guess just the one thing that I I wanted to talk about we I had met with um superintendent the business manager um selectman C Karen and um the acting Town Administrator interm interm Town Administrator to go over some of the numbers as to why they were requesting the 1355 um and there were four four schools that they had compared pass this around for anybody ask any questions on it but schools are it was it was hangam Winchester Amhurst and Maynard U pass it around the highlighted numbers of the the ones that they're what go what builds into the 1355 um one of the one of the things that I had come up with was one that the numbers on the hangam side are crazy right that's does not even compar to us is partly because it's Hingham it's partly because they had the they had the um project managers and the design team and the environmental side of things look at 10 different sites and then 10 different sites that at least one of them had significant issues with conservation yeah and that's the one they picked and that's the one they picked yeah um so I kind of tossed that out and then one of the things that I I noticed was that some of the costs seem to be coming down um so just looking at the uh the job starting so the last three I had come up with a cost of 1.2 um I did talk to superintendent this morning and he felt that 1.25 they would be able to get everything done we have already approved 150 in the uh 2023 annual town meeting so 150 is spent and already set aside for this so it's just it's a matter of the rest of it um in 2020 three the school kicked back 1.2 million in uh excess funds over and above what they could keep from their uh eend that's and that's the majority of the balance in the capital stabilization fund we set that aside at the time we have thought that that would go towards a feasibility study correct now um the State House their budget and their pay per pupil our our funding per pupil I it at least doubled from the from before our assessment right so are we banking I'm getting at at least that much back be I would say no yeah no when when the when the new numbers came out I and Mike was still around I asked him what the difference would be and it was like 80 grand the increase in that cost per student okay well where I stand we've only got so much money we can only pay for so and right now education between BP the agie and our own District um so the money's got to come from somewhere I'm expecting that our assessment should go down if the state now is giving double at least double per pupil as far as the money following the child um and I certainly hope the assessment is not growing um if they want I mean if they want money to be diverted which is exactly what we're asking for in this feasibility study it's got to come from somewhere we cannot just keep feeding the educational monster that has been created and and not have any money left for anything else that's why we're arguing well discussing about a police cruiser I I mean we do want to invest in the community but it's going to be more than education one of the things that Peter you have brought up this 1355 was the guideline given to attract bids for the project and you have made a comment if I remember where you said well if we say we're going to not going to do 1355 we're going to do 1 .2 do you still think that's an attractive you know bid amount to go out to to to attract enough bids for the project and I believe the response was you should still have interest at that um so my only thought about it is do you want to make an edit based upon that comment and recommendation between the 1355 and bring it down a little bit especially if we're all thinking that the reason it's so high is because of of these projects that had the wetlands issues that were kind of a little bit of an outlier yeah I mean in my head it we shouldn't it shouldn't be 1355 it should let's change it yeah so let's change it right I mean that's our job you did the work you're the accountant right I mean can I ask one more question you ask question 1355 is it um already considering the 150 we put aside it is not because no no one had remembered that until Paul okay mention 150 from it and also subtract down to the 1.2 yeah so that would be a little over a million yeah so at 1.2 it would be a million 50 at 1.25 it would be 1.1 million then I mean my thought would be that's that the money is in stable capital stabilization for that purpose so that that would be where it would all come from 100% of it right but we should try to be I mean we should try to keep from lighting that money on fire right so oh yeah oh yeah so if we have the if we have the 150 we subtract that from whatever you think or we all agree that you know that that number should be so you know if you if you think 1.2 or we think 1.2 is correct then what is it 1 million 50 50 and make that to suggestion and you know if if for whatever reason we don't have bids then we'll have to edit but I you know the person that was smarter than us when they do this stuff told us that that's still attractive to be at 1.2 so I say we do that how low can we go for it to still be attractive oh you until you do it EXA but we could always edit upwards I would agree with that yeah I guess the the only so for any the next opportunity we would have to adjust or to add to would be annual town meeting and Susan brought up a good point about the space over there where the high school is so we're not dealing with a wetland issue and adding on shouldn't cost as much to do a feasibility study if we got isolated on that as a project the fact that there's only one site they would be looking at right yeah right I think I think that makes a ton of sense I think we we lower the number a bit I think the numberers inflated and then the other Peter you had made made another comment which I think is completely correct is hey we have this money set aside for this feasibility study and we go get bids and every single person says oh it's actually going to cost me 1355 right to get it done you know people people are going to run up to that knowing that the money's there um so I think I think that's I think we could probably lower it a bit what number can we come up with one two seem to be the averages for from what I've seen MH so then we would be asking for 1,55 105 yeah so in the motion you would just have to say both funding sources yeah so if if that's when if if we want to go to a motion I'll I'll read a suggested motion and then we can go from there ex um all right just make sure I got that so article six would be to see if the town will vote to transfer from Capital stabilization uh no so to see if the town will vote to appropriate borrow or transfer from available funds 1.2 million to be expended under the direction of the dayon elementary school building committee to conduct a feasibility study to identify current deficiencies blah blah blah um and then do you make another recommendation of the sum of $150,000 to be expended from where is that located yeah so that's right I'm go I'm reading this one now to and propose construction options that meet current and future needs at dayon elementary school 1250 Somerset Avenue dayon uh to be funded with $150,000 from article 32 of the 2023 annual town meeting and $ 1,50,000 from Capital stabilization the transfer from Capital stabilization great that be right Serena yes okay second I can't make the motion I make a motion that we vote to recommend the motion in article six is presented by Peter roach thank you and second all in favor Doug Doug I Susan I Ron I Peter I Tracy I Tom I I all right so then the reason that I thought six and 12 were tied together so 12 is said the $700,000 for the Bridge Project um as Tom said last week we have to spend this money to be able to get the $2.7 million Federal grant so to me which is guaranteed which is guaranteed so that leaves if we by taking a million 5050 out of capital stabilization and uh I I would be interested in in capital outlays opinion on it but since this a bridge would certainly be something that lasts long time my thought here was that we could do half out of capital stabilization and half out of free cash okay I have one question out of these numbers that we have for our account balances 150,000 that was already voted for the is not in any of these numbers okay thank you so any anything that's been voted as a as a separate article in the past is it sits off basically off the balance sheet until it's spent thank you it's it's restricted was this turning into a a a vehicle bridge I remember there was there was a discussion of this looked like a lot of the the people that living on the bridge were in favor of it just keeping as a pedestrian Bridge um is is this just to reconstruct as a pedestrian bridge or are they going to make it so that vehicles are going not not cars okay cool I'm just curious I mean the impact is I'm just curious yeah so Jake serenus is pretty sure as keep it as a pedestrian yeah yeah it's great I don't think there's a need to have it anything other than a pedestrian bridge I just especially when the neighbors don't want it do we know who gets to do the project uh I don't think it's that far along right for this um we have a tenative contract with beta group for the engine this is the engineering engineering and he had a quote on the engineering but the actual Bridge construction that part of it hasn't been out to bid yet we toid how's that bid process work in this town do we give deference to uh construction companies that are in town in the state so we followed the 30b laws um so you know it depends on the dollar value so something like this would have to be um a proposal for bids and then they would probably have to judge it on not just the lowest bid the criteria they like it's two separate packages so they'll have like the criteria of the company in one package and valuate all of those and then the cost would be opening a second package so this probably wouldn't fall under a pick the lowest bidder one it' be some credentials in there where you could justify not picking the lws for there do we discriminate based on whether or not it's going to be a company that's within the state that's going to be hiring people who no there's no restrictions on them there isn't they would have to they would be qualified with the within the um Highway departments the state highway department yeah to be able to bid and and bonded here like to see the locals get it you know yeah yeah yeah I mean we put it out to everywhere um advertising you know in different locations and then what we get is what we get now in in general you know obviously for a local company it's going to be a cheaper job for them to do it because you don't have to rent a rent a space to store equipment and the travel involved right so then you're hoping to spit uh like 351,000 700 out of the capital and general stabilizations fund to split that amount then uh so yeah my thought was 37 351 7 739 out of capital stabilization and 351 out of free cash oh that'll leave us so that'll leave us with what 200ish left in capital stabilization 160 169 call it 169 and as you alluded to once that money does come back for the reimbursement we should put that money back in right which would have to be agre yeah which would have to be a separate vote at a separate special or annual meeting yeah and um on the 703 number I know that we need to spend that to get the the the the federal money um is this like the total cost of this bridge reconstruction is this 703 from us or is there is there going to be an additional you know in June or next you know following year um you know an additional vote Tom said this was our skin in the game he said this was all we we would have to be putting in right that's great that's awesome okay a webinar next week on this Federal grant because I did start asking around like I I don't have any documentation about this um so there is a webinar I believe next week a zoom meeting with um The Serpent and somebody that represents the state regarding this J think if Tom could talk about this when we go to vote at at special town meeting I think that would be a you know outlining that hey we're going to do this 703 yes that's a lot of money but we're getting 2 point what 2.7 or something like that from 2.7 yeah so I think that's an important thing to say hey guys like it actually costs you know 3.4 uh yeah I'm sure he'll he'll do that did you hear Serena there's gonna be a webinar next week on on the oh awesome yeah all right I'll hop on that then okay so how are we writing this one then um can we just say can we just say um I make a motion to uh see if the town will vote to raise an appropriate or transfer from available funds a sum of 73739 to be divided equally between free cash and capital stabilization fund for the um expansion of the board of Selectmen additional fund to the Pleasant Street Bridge reconstruction project or any action there relative there to or do we have to use dollars I'm fine with the way he read that Mor Serena's fine with that cool that way we don't have to do math that's is hard my question is this is a walking bridge or a driving Bridge believe it's a walking walk a walking bridge Pleasant Street and where is it from Pleasant Street it's over by um street is I'm trying to I'm trying to visualize where that Bridges I think it's down by the somerset line isn't it it's by the segreganset river yeah it's by what the segreganset river um oh what's it's by the um old old white church or old uh that's it's literally like right on the way to uh the high school if you're going up Williams Pleasant Street by the high school Pleasant stre on the water right on the river Pleasant streets along the river near near Broad Street I think it's farther down something muddy Cove yeah so is it the is the bridge that gets you across on that walking trail I think you're right yeah I think it's be where everybody goes fishing yeah fridge yeah right yep right right by the O club NOP further down um so almost to Somerset yeah it's almost on the Somerset Street and there it's the train tracks it's the Train the train tracks so we're going to have a bridge that connects because when you get to the end there you can't get all the way back out to Pleasant Street there's a stretch of water there it looks like there was an old bridge there at one time you can get you can walk that entire Trail by starting at Sweet snow correct so if you see that train track that comes out of sweet snow follow that down and you'll see where there's a gap M it wasn't the driving Bridge cuz I was thinking about the driving Bridges along there and they're like I drive over them all the time they don't look like they're in too bad shape oh wait I'm thinking of the I'm thinking of Brigg street is what I'm thinking of yes that's the walking bridge you were talking about this one I think is a driving Bridge okay we're thinking about two different things I can follow up with Tom that would be great number I just texting for these kind of monies and then needing to get Engineers involved to the tunea 2.7 million to build a bridge I don't think this is a walking bridge yeah I would think it was this this bridge got to be the muddy it's got to be the one off muddy Cove Lane then right yeah yes by tricentennial Park yeah that bridge now I think that's there's not even any signs concrete underneath because there's no signs that [Applause] say no no pick I mean no tractor trailer okay yeah on the right I bet you're on risk for years we were getting warn before we got this bridge over here the oneway bridge right the signs don't don't put your trailer over it yeah that's my fault I was thinking of Briggs Y which I think is another project that's on Tom's list I think for safety concerns yeah [Music] Department okay um so I think I made I'm I mean if there's no other questions I think I made the motion already I'm happy to do it again I don't know I just want a Clarity of where it was motion's fine I second uh start with Tom Tom I Tracy I Peter I Ron I Susan I Doug I Jake I Serena do you have an update on where we are in free cash right now $595 5952 24 yes okay we'll leave it left or spent left available so now we can go back to 13 yeah we've got 13 17 18 and 19 left well we should probably get 19 out of the way right because I don't think we really have a choice on that one well we do we do the amount so I'll tell you my thought uh we we like to we've liked to put 125 in in the past and we're obviously doing a lot better job than most most towns in the in the state I also know that um well at least my my opinion is is that the board of Selectmen are going to look for some kind of a token into Capital stabilization and stabilization um regardless of the amount they made it known at the annual town meeting that they want a token so my my thought was we give them a token and we put 30 into 17 30 into 18 and 30 into 19 and if we have more free cash in the spring we can do more to either one or all of those what did you say again I'm sorry uh 30 30 and 30 oh I might looking at the wrong thing is at 19 I have for the the other post-employment benefits liability trust fund correct correct yeah want 90 they want 90 so you're saying do 30 30 30 yeah that was my thought because I think if we say 90 there I think they're still going to look for something into stabilization and and uh Capital stabilization and at town meeting was it 25,000 we voted for uh op 35 35 operating budget yeah yeah I just want to be cautious with free cash you know depending on the debt exclusion boat we really might need free cash to balance our budget on the 14th so just be cautious to not bring down to zero see yeah so that that would bring us to 500 so 500 524 and you know we we put in 417 for this budget alone so just be cautious I like the 3 for one 30 303 yeah I like that too how do you feel about that I'm good with I'm I'm good with 500,000 as free cash like okay but not not really any lower than that yeah personally I really didn't want to go under either um I mean just to be blunt if if the override doesn't pass yeah layoffs will be before we meet start before we meet yeah and with layoffs come vacation nobody has used their vacation a t of money unemployment rates go up yeah that will that will be the use of our free cash in the second half of the year so 303030 gets us to where you're comfortable with Serena yes yes let's do it how do we say it um yeah you want to just do each I make a motion that we vote uh we vote to recommend for article 17 to see if the tone will vote to transfer from available funds sum not to exceed $30,000 to the stabilization account second all in favor Doug Doug I Susan I Ron I Peter I Tracy I Tom I I article 18 I vote we uh I make a motion we vote to recommend to see if the town will vote to transfer from available funds a sum not to exceed 30,000 to the capital stabilization account second all in favor Tom Tom I Tracy I Peter I Ron I Susan I Doug I Jake I I make a motion we vote to recommend Article 19 to see if the town will vote to transfer from available funds the sum of $30,000 to the other post-employment benefits liability trust fund established to cover the unfunded ACC Actuarial liability for the retirees Healthcare and life insurance benefits second all in favor Tom I Tracy I Peter I Ron I Susan I Doug I Jake I right so that gets us to $ 5,524 in free cash and then so this article 13 then for the anniversary I'm really on the fence about this I am also I it's not that I don't care about history or and I'll tell you why and it could be two separate things so most of you know I'm Vice chair of the friends of the dayon library okay so we're helping to fund things in this Library I just spent two months putting together a golf tournament to give the trustees $110,000 there are many ways to raise $8,000 and I just feel like right now Dayan is like right here especially with this BP thing looming over our heads and I you know it I find it hard to just say yes you can have $88,000 that's just my opinion you know I'm a money person and you know you spend it where you really need it and other things you just try and be more creative to come up with the funds I don't know if anybody agrees or disagrees with that well it's like anything I I guess if you there's no reason why um they can't look for support from outside groups um you know I was joking about before about USAA that but Hey listen you know i' tell you when times are tough you know you look who has got the money and I and I appreciate the fact that you know I saw the first number when I thought no um and I appreciate the fact that they brought it down to where they did but um and you know if you look at it there's a big difference between 30 and eight how did you get it down that low you know that's was the 30 just elevated because you wanted to throw some extra balloons in there or what was it that you needed um because that's a big difference in money I think the 30 was what they thought the total cost was going to be and the eight was the required deposit oh so then next year and the year after they would come back to us for the other funding well the initial she said the initial was they were going to do $110,000 three years in a row and then they just came with a 30 all at once if I remember correctly okay um so I think that's what that was which is was nice to understand that the deposit requirement was only 8 Grand which is I agree where you're coming from like it we should just be talking about the deposit right now we should not be talking about the 30 grand and so yeah the only other thing that I wanted to bring up is we do have um a reserve fund for the finance committee um which I believe is at 50 Grand right now and I don't know if that's something that um we could tap into for the eight grand if we all decided that it was worth the money instead of taking it from free cash but I also agree that there are other funding sources that they could probably get the8 Grand from so I'm also okay with saying hey can you can you find it from somewhere else so for a special article we could transfer reserves um or was that just for so in you know my eyes the your Finance Reserve is unexpected unanticipated you know unbudgeted things that just up not necessarily this um it's like an emergency fund almost yeah yeah usually or demolitions or right lightning struck yeah H Yeah so basically it's emergency money yeah that is the intention okay but I I mean it's a good thought Jake for looking for other resources you know what I mean yeah I just I I think we're us us touching free cash when we agreed we need to be at 500 is not an option right now um and so I'm just thinking outside the box here um I like the golf idea well it's not our idea then next year you'll be at mine forward but I agree every Department in this town has a budget and you've got to learn to operate within that and if you want something that is not can't be funded with the budget yes you have to find the energies or whatever to do it it's an anniversary is great but you know what everybody who comes before this committee looking for funding everybody thinks they've got a great idea and they do if the interest is there so I guess part of my thing is if there is interest in some sort of cele people will donate it yes to it yeah if it's you get commercial you can get commercial Don a lot of interest in a town so majority rule whatever right A lot of people interest you would have the funding I'm interested I I would pay money to spe happen number well and I I think this you know does this saying yes to this does it open us up to other departments going hey we want to have this celebration can you give it you know I think we just have to be a little careful I'm 100% with you I'm on the fence about this but it's not just another celebration I mean it's the 250th anniversary of the country I believe in 1962 the town of dayon had its 250th anniversary and I was a little kid at the time and I just remember everything that went on in the town it's probably one of my first memories I was probably about five I was about five years old and you know my parents were very involved in in all the goings on so you know I just don't think it's you know I think it's a little more important than another department but I'm I'm 100% with you I'm on I am right there with you and you know if I had the eight grand I'd give it to him but I think when you're talking about a Town's budget and as tight as we're running I I think we have to really think about this that's no I agree so the 250 anniversary committee doesn't have an operating budget um they're kind of going through the historical with Gils um and I believe we did knock down her budget a little bit last year when we were doing operational budgets I mean not eight grand worth but right and I guess in in this Arena too this supposed to be a town celebration I would imagine that they could um piggy bank could join together with the recreation department Parks somebody another organization within town where it can be a group effort not necessarily just a St the society yeah with the zero based budgeting like the parks and W nobody budgeted for you know exra money in anyone's budget especially doing the zero base but I I know what you're saying yeah I think we've got to start thinking outside the box like that we we've got to start uh thinking where we can help each other where it's not just a one lane road um because I think that's responsible I used to live in Port St louisy Florida and they wanted to build this really you know elaborate Jungle Gym type of thing I mean this was like as big as this building and each area of business paid some money so that one of the boards would have the name of the company on it and they raised all the money that way that's what we did in the golf tournament we if you sponsored a t box sign right you had a sign made with your company name on it and it was on the te Y and I sold a lot of those obviously for $10,000 you know yeah so um again you know I truly believe in what you're saying and if we if the money was readily available I wouldn't have even brought it up I think it's just something I needed to bring to the table I mean they're G to vote on a town meeting right so if we just said we can either we just say we don't recommend exactly just say don't recommend we can do either one we can come up with another number if you preer I think that's a good idea yeah what if we came up with something shows the town wants to do something but maybe gives them a little incentive to ra have a golf tournament or raise raise raise the funds themselves you know hit the business a year and a half what little business we have well they have to give the deposit when did she say February okay well there's da four months not much golf happened between now and February no come on Jake you don't want to play but that's a good point though do we lower it do we lower the article to say eight grand and then say we don't recommend but give the ability for the town to vote so the SEL I'm making their recommendations tomorrow so there's always a chance the Selectmen won't recommend to put it to town meeting so what if we what if we meet halfway and just do a minimal amount we can do that you know versus the whole thing and then you know at least I don't look like the complete bad guy sometimes we have to be the B I know right no I yeah I you know I would be I would be okay with that if we did a very much smaller amount to give them a little start but I think that you're right I think there has to be accountability pave your own way how would you feel about 496 she's not comfortable $496 to get us to the 500 500 even halfz that's great sideways at to meeting anyway yeah yeah do our best fine with that with me that's fine me thoughts on it or or a motion Sue I love the look on your face come on tell if we are gonna send a if we are sending a message to our departments it's time to tighten the boot strings and we're serious here we are going to be in especially if we want to go ahead with the feasibility study on the elementary school we are going to be in some tough shape so I am saying hold the line you got to work with your budgets can we say then we don't recommend this and then depending on what the collect men say it might not even end up in there I mean we've been telling our taxpayers we're doing the best we can here um and we we we got to prioritize you know we've discussed this article more than any of the big number Arles and that's usually the way it goes because it does set a tone too yeah must be I think that's fair I think I think Sue makes a good point I think that's we can't we can't say that we're trying to do these thing trying to be fiscally responsible and and Titan and then keep say how hard we worked on the budget trying to get every department to get down to Bare Bones you're right I would have to agree with Sue yeah there there's already been a few departments saying that they are um going to be under budget because their budget was cut so now they're saying that they're going to be under budget and there's not going to be many funds available to transfer like yearend transfers like how we took a lot of from the group health insurance we cut that budget and that's right on track so that's not going to have you know 30 grand to transfer out you know right that's we so how do we how do we vote or not vote on this then in this case do we still need to vote on the article and then say nay or do we just say no I assume the um we vote to support the article we read the article and it's up or down whether or not we support it the motion would be from from our standpoint the motion would be to not recommend $88,000 be expended under this under the article and then you would vote up or down on whether you y if that were the motion I make a motion that we vote to not um recommend Article 13 with the expenditure of $88,000 by the uh Historical Society de as presented in the article I second all in favor Doug I Susan I Ron hi Peter I Tracy I Tom i j guy that's Ting keep coming off guard I don't know [Laughter] what as amended right so the passes as amended yes notation yeah so the motion was to not recommend to not recommend so just that finance committee does not recommend right it's like a double negative they might see this and think that we funded [Laughter] it all right um I think that is all we've got not not um just two two more things from me um we will have to we'll schedule a meeting for prior to the special town meeting for a couple reasons one if the vote if the vote goes um the override vote goes one way or the other that might change some of the recommendations which we'll have the ability to talk about um and there also maybe obiously we we don't know what the Selectmen are going to recommend so there might be some chance for us to discuss whether we W to meet match or keep our keep our opinions personally I think our our opinions are they should be but um I'm actually I'm in Florida I'll be flying while you guys are in the meeting so Sue's going to run the meeting um it will be for you guys uh each article that has to do with money would they typically we're typically the ones that read the article um just a matter of just follow the person before you yep on on how how it's read okay yeah any questions I'll like I said I'll be flying so you guys are on your own we don't meet again tomorrow and I that was just a we have nothing scheduled and we had the 17th schedu if we needed it but we've been through everything so we're good the only other thing I've got for you guys um we could Ron sent out the minutes this afternoon the only thing I was going to suggest is that we cut out the part where our meeting ended which was um okay clarification of the ballot questions on is the board of Select not a monetary yeah and not not our part of the meeting okay if there's any other questions on the minutes there I make a motion we vote to accept the minutes as presented and um altered by chairman roach and it was there was a discussion about clarifying the language yes so that from there on was we were done okay a second motion all in favor I I I I Peter I Tracy I I Tom I Jake Jake gu that's all I have anybody else any other questions anything NOP I make a motion adour my second all in favor everybody hi