##VIDEO ID:qKUaVzDfO_Q## that was e e do me okay we're going to call the meeting 
to order scambia County competency   board meeting scheduled November 6 9:00 a.m. 
meetings call to order Madam Secretary do we   have a determination of quum yes sir Mr chair 
with seven members present we do Miss Jordan   will be joining us shortly thank you uh do we 
have proof of publication yes sir Mr chairman   it was published on on give me just a second 
on October 31st 2024 in the scambia county   Sun Press thank you and uh we're looking for 
approval of the minutes from October the 2nd 2024 motion to approve motion second second all in favor raise your right hand motion passes do we have anybody speaking on public 
forum today chair I didn't receive any speaker   request forms um you might just want to ask 
the audience I think everybody in the audience   is here for an agenda item okay anybody out 
there want to say a few words or we good to   move on we're good to move on uh if we can 
get the uh secretary status report I have   nothing for the board at this time wow 
you made it simple for me today haven't   you all right so we have uh one two three 
four contractor applications the first one   is clarius Jefferson uh it's h for a general 
contractor application uh could you please uh   yes Mr Jefferson you will please come to the 
podium state your name and address for the record uh address 1848 Cadence luk cantonement 
Florida uh board members if I may speak for a   moment to Mr Jefferson's experience he currently 
is employed with RQ construction he did provide   W2s to show one year eight months uh and to the 
present of that employment um he also you will   find an experience verification form relating 
to his DD214 from his time in the military uh   signed off on by his commanding officer for 
his construction experience U the experience   was highlighted on that DD 214 for reference he 
also has graduated through Auburn University with   masters of real estate development as well um with 
the transcript should be part of that package as   well um Mr Jefferson would you like to speak to 
the board a little on your experience in this   field sure uh so for me uh personally I I grew up 
u in a family of construction so uh my my uncle   had a construction business in uh New Orleans 
so uh during the Summers uh that's what I did   I was um Ro buster and all various other things 
uh and construction uh so I did all that um in   summers while I was in high school and then also 
when I was in college um and then I got into the   the military I had some opportunities to work 
on some large uh DOD construction projects um   I led a construction uh Department uh when I was 
in Greenland uh did that and then also um when I   transitioned out of the military after 8 years um 
I started um construction uh with the company out   in town Florida uh worked on some some projects 
in downtown Tampa as well and now I'm I'm here   in Pensacola working on some DOD projects on 
NAS Pensacola so uh I I am very familiar with   uh construction and the the processes as well 
and as Nick mentioned um I've also uh received   a degree in real estate development um going over 
all of the the competencies of construction and   uh processes and methods Mr Jefferson if you 
could please expound on what types of projects   commercial residential new single family dwelling 
just let them know what types of projects you've   actually hands-on experience in yeah so I've 
hands-on experience I've I've done a residential   um in in my family business um as far as uh 
commercial uh the project that I W worked on in   Tampa was a a commercial project uh 70,000 square 
feet um full gut renovation of a downtown um   construction project uh so we brought that up to 
new standards uh and then also with the military   projects that I've worked on those were projects 
that were um basically going into Mission centers   um gutting them out uh and then refurbishing them 
bringing them back up to standard and code um and   for the projects that I'm working on currently 
uh these are groundup development projects for   NAS Pensacola so building a fitness center uh and 
then we're also uh doing a substation building as   well um the substation building is my project 
that I'm project managing um so that is a full   groundup development and then also underground 
utilities as well a couple miles of underground   utilities do we have staff's recommendation 
on this uh staff's recommendation would be for approval okay second motion thank you for your 
service motion to approve second second all   in favor raise your right hand motion passes all 
right thank you board I appreciate your time thank you board members our uh next applicant will be Mr 
David bonds Jr coming before you for application   for examination uh in Roofing Mr bonds if you 
will please come to the podium state your name   and address for the record please hey my name 
is David bonds and my address is 1 1950 West   Detroit Boulevard Pensacola Florida uh board 
members Mr bonds does come before you with four   years eight months and 21 days of experience uh 
working for Bowman's Quality Roofing and repairs   uh we did notate that due to circumstances 
we did allow him to provide W2s to show his   employment and experience uh to correspond to 
the experience verification form in this case   uh if sir if you would speak a little to your 
experience in this field please uh as he said   I've been working for Bowman's Quality 
Roofing for the past five years uh but   I've been roofing for 23 years I started 
at age of 15 uh working with my uncles   I've worked for uh Bill Walther Roofing 
uh Bowman's Quality Roofing and another   roofing company or two over the years and 
that's pretty much all I've ever done uh   the past six years I've gotten more into into 
the paperwork end things uh doing estimates and such staff's recommendation uh 
staff's recommendation is that   Mr bonds does meet the requirement of 
the four years U and to approve for testing motion to approve motion to approve looking 
for a second second second   all in favor raise your right hand motion 
passes thank you Mr bonds thank you all very much Board of members our next applicant 
is going to be Mr Randle Wayne Gilmore Mr   Gilmore if you will please come to the podium 
state your name and address for the record please uh Ronda Wayne Gilmore 605 English code 
Florence Mississippi board members uh Mr Gilmore   is coming before you for roofing as the trade he 
does come before you he has been a business owner   in the roofing trade for 19 years 5 months and 21 
days out of the state of Mississippi uh you will   find the attached Mississippi state licenses that 
he did provide showing his experience um some are   dated back to 23 and he did go back and provide 
his original 2006 um state licenses as well to   show his experience uh based on this 19 years 
staff's recommendation would be for approval and   Mr Gore if you could go ahead and please give them 
a brief rundown of your experience yeah I've been   working since I was 14 years old doing Roofing 
All My Life um with friends and stuff and I se   I can make more money doing on my own so I went 
out on my own and started it and uh I've been   doing residential all my life and uh been doing 
a little commercial on Sonics doing I've done   probably roof about 15 Sonics around Mississippi 
doing uh TP uh roof so that's all I know is   Roofing okay St but Roofing st's recommendation 
would be for approval okay seing a mo motion for approval motion for approval looking for a second second all in favor raise your right hand motion 
passes unanimously thank you thank you finally   board members our final applicant for the day is 
Mr Kane Aubrey DS uh he is coming before you to   apply for testing and Examination for Master 
Plumber with gas uh Mr DS if you will please   state your name and address for the record sir hey 
I'm my name is Kane DS uh 5830 sofle ponds Road   um and then Mr DS comes before you with an 
experience of 5 years 11 months and 30 days   I did notate for the qualifier um you will see 
that the qualifier did sign with a State Certified   license it it when it was established 826 of 21 
dates three years two months and 5 days but they   did hold a registered license um initially 
created on 912 2013 so the qualifier does   meet the requirement of four years uh because 
that does total 11 years one month and 19 days   um so Mr DS if you would please just speak to 
your experience in that field sir for the board   uh my grandpa has Downs pluming been in business 
for almost 40 years uh started with him uh when   I was 14 15 uh so and I'm about to turn 30 so I'm 
coming up on 15 years straight uh doing Plumbing   fifth generation uh been on just about every big 
property in town from here to Dothan Alabama down   Panama City doing Plumbing uh my whole life uh 
my dad's a master plumber my grandpa my uncle uh   both my cousins just came up here and did this I 
got another one coming um just about every every   big big job in the past five six years that we've 
done I've been the lead on uh basically solely in   charge charge of it uh I finally time to get 
my master license been been doing it for ever   uh staff's recommendation would be for approval 
okay looking for a motion for approval motion   to approve second second all in favor raise 
your right hand motion passes thank you thank you if you if I can just say quick word since 
none of the applicants have left um you know   we appreciate uh you coming to SC scambi County 
doing work in scambi County but understand what   we do as a board here uh we try to prevent uh 
contractors roofers or um you know plumbers   Electric Insurance to come in here in front of 
us uh in the event of a mishap one thing I can   say to the roofers out there is be very cautious 
overly cautious on who you hire subcontractors   because a lot of times what happens is uh we as 
contractors and roof depend on our subcontractors   and they do a faulty job and at the end of the 
day it still falls on the license holder uh so   please bear that in mind as you're out there and 
as you're doing business and as you're talking   to subcontractors that you pre-qualify them and 
don't only go look for the number but make sure   they're qualified and they have the bandwidth 
in order to do the work that you're asking them   to do uh so uh we appreciate it but just you know 
try not to come back to this board uh uh you know   just protect yourself protect your Els and do 
good work out there we appreciate it thank you applicants you you do you're not required to 
remain for the duration of this hearing it's   going to be um probably cause hearings I mean 
you're more than welcome to stay if you would   like to but you're not required to I got a long 
ride back yes sir thank you all thank you Al thank   you okay so now we're going to go to the probable 
cause hearing uh so uh Madame secretary if you can   just give us a quick update on that yes so our 
first item is Wade L Hunter III doing business   s Lee Hunter Construction LLC registered license 
number RR 28281 12171 contractor competency board   complaint number 24863 coom it's in regard to 
Julie Ricks the homeowner complainant at 215   Barry Road Pensacola Florida 32507 proper 
notice was sent to the respondent Miss RX   are you present today and are you going to be 
providing testimony for this hearing today I   can thank you and Mr Hunter are you present today 
just to confirm Mr Hunter is not present for this   hearing at this time I'm going to have Miss RX 
and Miss Reber our investigators sworn in Miss   RX you can have a seat you can sit right here if 
you would like we've got some housekeeping stuff   to go through first um and Miss Reber will remain 
sworn in for the duration of this hearing today um I swear thank you um at this time I'm going 
to pull up the investigative report from Miss   Reber and if and Miss Reber if you could just 
go ahead and take us through um the the process   the date of the complaint um a brief synopsis of 
what occurred and if you found any violations or   alleged violations sure um received a complaint 
from Miss Ricks on August 6 2024 um after   reviewing all of the complaints I'm alleging that 
there was mismanagement and misconduct causing   Financial harm to the customer and a late permit 
um in brief Miss um Ricks entered into a contract   with Mr Hunter on July 3rd of 2024 to perform 
alterations the total cost of that project was $66,000 and uh Rick's provided Hunter 
a down payment of $35,000 on July 9th um shortly into the project um Ricks began to have 
issues with Hunter allegedly not uh returning her   calls not showing up on the project and such uh 
she she noticed several things going on with the   project she became concerned and so on August 5th 
she elected to terminate Mr Hunter a review of the   permitting history on the project uh resulted that 
Hunter had applied for a permit on July 17th 2024   um and was invoiced on July 31st however um 
before he made payment on the permit he was terminated um there was also 
some uh things that Miss Miss   Ricks later found out such as 
uh a material supplier was not paid sorry just skimming through um   Miss Ricks also ended up on August 
6th paying a um subcontracting crew   that Hunter had hired um who had come to 
her and said that they had not received payment I think that's it okay um did the 
complaintant provide any documentation   to support her complaint and if so is it 
attached to the agenda as backup she did   and it is attached and did the respondent 
provide any supporting documentation for   the complaint uh he did respond to the complaint 
and his response is attached to the complaint in   the evidence staff would request that those 
items attached to the agenda be moved into evidence can I get a motion 
to move in you so move second second second all in favor raise your right 
hand motion carries at this time Miss RX it's   your opportunity you can go to the podium or 
you can remain there and address the board   in regard to your complaint um yeah I've 
met all y'all a couple months ago I came   in to speak about this particular person 
um truthfully I'm now at a point where I   realize I'm never going to recover that 
money that I gave him um unless I want   to use my money to chase after him to get my 
money back and so I guess you know coming in   here today I want to understand how it got 
to this point where a person can actually   do this and not really have any repercussions 
because I came for the last hearing that he had   that he was fined for and it just seemed like 
a little tisk tisk and then he can go off and   he can do this again in another County perhaps or 
maybe even in this County again and like how do   you keep someone like this from continuing to do 
this to perpetuate this on other people because I   feel like now for me like it's okay I'm okay about 
it but he should not be allowed to do this again   what what's going to keep him from doing that 
or anyone else so miss RX just keep in mind that   the board is only has the authority to do what is 
within their power so there are certain parameters   whenever these violations are determined that 
they can only go within certain parameters um   I see that there's another case coming after 
yours and just with like some historical cases   once these things start coming in the board tends 
to take a stronger stance um unfortunately we   don't get notified by everyone at once so it seems 
to be you know from the board's perspective we're   only seeing a first blip and then it starts coming 
in so keep in mind the board can only do what they   within certain parameters um the fu shary Duty 
I guess is the biggest thing to me like who is   accountable for that that this man can take money 
from a customer who who's where's the F you share   I mean I've talked to so many contractors now 
since it's all started and most of them has   said no you cannot take money from a customer 
and then use that on another project it's not   you can't do it in real estate you can't do it 
anything else so so where did the money go that   I gave them it has to go through this process 
yeah this process for for anything to be for   any disciplinary action to be taken against any 
license holder in the county it has to go through   this process and I understand that this process 
is not a quick process by any means but it has   to follow this process so you coming in today 
is the beginning steps of this process right mhm I don't I guess I don't have a whole lot to 
say except for the the facts of what happened so   PR much if you could speak more to because I see 
that Melissa um has has noted two things here if   you could speak more to the financial harm um 
allegation and and I know that Melissa has her   brief synopsis but you've been more invested 
in this complaint I gave him 35,00 th000 and   within two weeks he was gone and then I found out 
after I fired him that he had not he had charged   Lumber which was so ridiculous to me because we 
talked about the budget and he went and charged   the lumber not to say that can't happen at tibet's 
Lumber which was double or almost triple the cost   for the lumber that he bought so he could buy it 
on credit so he could have the 30 days to pay it   which in my mind he was never going to do because 
it's just how it looks um and so yeah when I got   a letter from them and then had to follow through 
with his ex-wife or soon to be ex-wife who's his   partner business partner to find out get the 
because even the lumber company will not tell   me how much I owe them they're just going to tell 
me look if you don't pay if you don't get involved   in this and get us paid we're going to lean your 
property I mean this is right out the gate I just   bought it just HED a contractor and now all 
of a sudden I'm getting leaned for more money   and this person I gave money to is not spending 
it where it's supposed to go did you receive a   notice to owner from any of these subcontractors 
or suppliers so I actually had the subcontractor   who so there was termite damage and there was 
um uh some mold issues um and so the floor had   to be completely replaced and the sub sub Contra 
contractor that he hired I was there daily I was   there every single day while this is all going on 
um and they started to give me the impression that   they were afraid they weren't going to get paid 
for doing the work and so I actually reached out   to the subcontractor I didn't care if it was right 
or not that that he supposedly was contracted by   Lee um and I was like are do you need to get paid 
and he said I'm I've been trying to get a hold of   Lee for four or five days said and I can't reach 
him and I was like okay so I'm not crazy this   guy's really just like he's left the scene of 
the crime and that's kind of how that went and   so then the person uh Rodrigo baroma he's also 
a contractor um he came to me and he said look   I need you to pay this I need to pay my guys and 
so I went straight to the bank out of fear got   the money came back and gave it to him and funny 
enough I ended up hiring him because I was very uneducated uh uh homeowner in Florida because the 
laws I came from Virginia every it's completely   different there and this guy I didn't yeah 
so anyway I hired him so he's been the contractor I'm not a happy person right now about 
all this I'm going to tell it's understandable   Insurance I've had to pay extra to have you know 
Builder risk I've had to extend my insurance on   my property so that I can continue the work on the 
property I've had to continue to pay two mortgages   now because of this person um it's just it's this 
whole situation it feels like I'm being ruined per   se financially um so yeah I would just like for it 
to be over and when did when did actual work began   on this project uh you mean from when I hired him 
no when did they physically come and start doing   work on this project uh the first I believe it was 
the 9th uh I believe of July he sent or dropped a   kid off there to do um to take out the cabinets 
and to do some stuff like that and that was   actually the first issue I had with him because I 
showed up and and the cabinets were taken out with   a crowbar and I specifically told him the cabinets 
were in great shape can we just take them out and   put them in the garage because I have something 
that could potentially be an Adu and also there   were some appliances in there one of them in 
particular couldn't have been more than a year old   it was a range and I was like let's save that both 
of those cabinets and the range were completely   destroyed and that happened within the first week 
of him being there actually first couple of days   and it was just excuse after excuse when I 
asked him why did this happen then he lied   to me to my face and said there was uh uh damage 
behind the wall of where the cabinets I looked   like I've been on construction sites pretty 
much my whole life so I walked out and looked   at the pile to see if there was any evidence 
of that none whatsoever so then I asked him   again and he said oh well I I'll take it out 
of this guy's pay well of course I felt bad   for as a young kid you know trying to make money 
money and this is the contractor who's telling   him to do this so yeah it's kind of crazy do you 
have anything else you'd like to share with the board um just nothing except for the multiple 
lies and lies and lies and lies that this person   told me about their ability to actually 
do this job and couldn't and didn't but   that's well Mr X we're sorry that you put in 
this position but uh it's unfortunate that we   do have Shady contractors out there uh but 
we are here to try to make a difference uh   I'm not sure how much of a difference we can 
make uh but it's important that you provide us   the amount of Damages that you've sustained 
uh from the events that's uh taking place I   think that's going to be the next step to look 
into and do we have any open permits on Hunter   construction right now outside of the outside of 
this project project yeah I can look could you   also look and see if his insurance is no longer 
expired I can definitely do that as well thank you if you just give me just a moment on your screen you'll see that I'm 
bringing up our permitting software which   houses all of the permits and licenses for all 
projects and contractors in es scambi County Miss RX have you contacted an attorney 
have you contacted an attorney I did   yes so have you brought suit against 
him I didn't I haven't done anything   yet yeah she suggested that 
i' take this route first okay as you'll see I'm selecting the 
license card of Mr Hunter within our system his liability and 
workers comp is currently up to date he does have an active 
reg uh license with skimy County in his Associated permits you 
can see that let me just make this bigger so you will see like this houses every 
action for this license it does have some permits   that are open has some permits that are closed 
again you see one here contract terminated uh also   the co cases um for his license that this board 
would review so outside of the two that we have   in here they he does have other permits that are 
open am I correct o Cliff is oakcliff is the next   hearing and this is very yes there's something 
on air Street Broadmore um are we allowed to   look into those permits and see what the stat St 
of the job is at this time and maybe meet with the   homeowners to look and see if there's a pattern 
of behavior happening so we can I can show it to   the board okay um this is the one that was on 
air Street and that did come to you air Street   did um but the homeowner has not terminated 
the permit and it was still active last it is   an active permit that's had no inspections 
on the air Street um this one is on Broad more it's had one inspection um and actually 
if there's no sub permitting this one would be   deemed expired at this time well it's a replum 
so we would have to go into those sub permits   just confirm whether it's expired or not but it's 
still an open yeah if we can just check into it so   that way uh we can prepare ourselves and you know 
anticipate anything that's happening with those   homeowners it that's the direction of the board 
for us to review his projects if yeah I would for   staff to review yes please okay we can do that 
for you okay and so what of our what of our U   marching orders on this first case so again this 
is a probable cause hearing at this time the board   is going to determine whether they believe that 
there's probable Clause that he violated County   ordinance State Statute Etc okay um again on on 
your screen you would have the alleged violations   provided by our investigator um this is what she 
feels has has possibly been violated by Mr Hunter   um but it's at the discretion of the board on 
how they would like to proceed certainly and   have we had any communication with the contractor 
uh I believe that the contractor did provide um a   statement and it's in the backup and here it is 
here if you want I can read it into the record   it was it's already part of the record please um 
so his response says and this is to Melissa the   investigator it says Melissa in regards to Julie 
I will forward you over my original invoice plus   the changes made in a separate email this email 
I will outline the job on July 3rd at 2:47 p.m.   I received a text stating she closed and received 
keys Sunday July 7th she texts a photo of where   she hid the key outside Monday July 8th we started 
removing carpet and baseboards without a deposit   when Julie asked about paying I said give us a few 
days we like to get rolling first we didn't have   to purchase anything the first day for demo so no 
need to press for deposit around this time Julie   has brought to our attention that she is wanting 
us to convert a bedroom and build a wall dividing   this bedroom into two parts and add another 
bathroom never discussed in original estimate   or plans of renovation this caused for a wall to 
be cut into and the entry door to be relocated it   was then brought to our attention she wanted to 
remove the current hall bath and move that into   where the current kitchen was and then old bath 
into master closet this is when I cut electrical   wires out of the bottom of the electrical panel 
and shoved down the floor because of the wall the   panel was currently on was being removed moving 
this electrical panel was another change never   discussed in the additional plans or estimate 
that caused the central heat and air to have   to be relocated which was done and placed in the 
atct by a licensed contractor this relocation of   HVAC was also never discussed or paid paid for 
in the original scope this job was consisting   of subfloor removal of dining and a bathroom due 
to termite reports we instead did entire house   after the fact because Julie was worried about 
the dog and cat urine that soaked through the   carpet into the subfloor and was afraid we could 
not get rid of the smell on Saturday July 20th I   received pictures from the crew that all of the 
subfloor has been removed I am not sure of exact   date but permit was kicked back due to not having 
my upto-date insurance with the county when I did   receive the email stating I had an invoice to pay 
for the permit I logged on and it said contract   termination on July 31st on Friday August 2nd 
I got word from the crews that all subfloor   has been installed this is where the job stood 
on this date I'm not sure what has been done   since I do know that she is wanting to remove a 
large loadbearing wall and she's not wanting to   wait on plans if she's fired us within 30 days 
on starting job while plans was in work for this   and that's the end of this document do we have 
any pictures that they attached to this case no   there's no no pictures no pictures I'll open 
it up to the board if they have any questions   we do have we do have a backup document that 
says project sketches that was submitted by   the respondent with the appropriate permit 
pull for this I remember about electrical   he submitted application for his structural 
permit um his insurance was not up to date   so his application was returned back to him 
until he could get that remedied he got that   remedied when he went in to pay the invoice 
for the permit application Miss Ricks had   already contract terminated it at that time um 
there were no electrical permits being pulled   and it's I believe Melissa got with our Deputy 
building official John and for what was done   the disconnect and turning it down that 
did not require a permit um had future or   more electrical work been done it possibly could 
have but to date it did not require it and just   to note there is a photo of the electrical 
box in the floor that's within the backup documents so any questions if not we' 
need to seek a motion to move it to   this little plary action yeah I I just 
want to make sure I understand you we're   saying that there was never a permit pulled 
period before this contractor started the   work that is an that is accurate he he did not 
have the permit in hand prior to starting the   work and when his insurance was paid and 
when he went back to get the permit by   that time the owner went ahead and pulled 
the contract so to speak that is correct okay okay we go back to the 
alleged violations yes sir make a motion to move it to disciplinary hearing 
based off the alleged violations I second that all in favor raise your right hand motion passes unanimously thank you Miss RX just to let you know that you 
will be receiving notice that this has   proceeded to a disciplinary hearing 
um we'll get out that administrative   complaint as soon as possible um 
but you will be receiving notice   of when that will occur and then as the 
um interim chairman had mentioned please   make sure that you get the amount of Damages 
together and you have that absolutely thank you our next item is Wade L Hunter III 
doing business as Lee Hunter Construction   LLC registered license number RR 28281 12171 
contractor competency board complaints number   24967 coom this is in regard to Jeffrey and 
Cynthia hedenberg the homeowner complainants   at 6561 o Cliff Road Pensacola Florida 32526 
proper notice was sent to the respondent Mr   miss hedenberg you are present today and are 
you going to be providing testimony for this   hearing thank you um again I'm going to sound 
the room for Mr Hunter are you here today I'm   confirming that Mr Hunter is is still 
not present um at this time I'm going   to have Mr Miss hedenberg sworn in and just 
a reminder Miss Reber was previously sworn if you could just be sworn in thank you at this time I'm going to bring up the   investigative report from Miss Reber 
Miss reer if you could go ahead and   just give us a brief synopsis of this 
complaint including date filed permit Etc um I received this complaint 
from the hindenburg's on August 26 2024 [Music] um the Hindenburg state 
that they entered into a contract on   October 21st 2023 to perform alterations to 
their home the total cost of the project was $94,000 the hindenburg's paid an initial   deposit of $68,000 on November 27th 2023 
um the project started off by doing some demolition uh Mr Hunter did get a uh and then 
did did some framing of the walls he did get a   framing inspection uh the hindenburg's also made a 
progress payment on June 5th of 2024 for $115,000 um Mr and Miss Hindenburg alleged that the work 
began to slow down after that progress payment   was made uh they began to be concerned once it was 
time to put a roof on the project and uh they were   notified that Mr Hunter had not paid the deposit 
to the roofer um so in order to keep the project   moving uh the hindenburg's did make 
a $5,000 deposit on September 11th   uh during September the hindenburg's 
uh continued to try and reach out to   Hunter to come back on to the project 
uh he was not answering anything uh   calls texts emails to them uh they were 
notified by A supplier company that um   the bill for the materials had not been paid for 
their project and the supplier was threatening aan   uh therefore the hindenburg's made the payment 
to the lumber company on October 8th 2024 for $1,113 uh they also went ahead and had 
the roof completely put on and paid the   uh roofing company the balance of $754 56 on 
October 4th a search of the permitting history for   6561 oakcliffe resulted in an alteration permit 
being obtained by Lee Hunter on May 20th 2024 with   a pass strapping and nailing inspection on June 
5th 2024 Hunter did not respond to this complaint   um after reviewing all the documents [Music] um 
I'm alleging that code section 1837 C12 finding   that a contractor of is guilty of fraud or deceit 
or gross negligence incompetency or misconduct in   the practice of Contracting code section 1837 d10 
uh he's abandoned the project and code section   1837 d15a late permit contractor pulled the permit 
after starting the job but prior to completion of   the same and uh doesn't miss any inspections at 
this point and Miss Reber did the complaintants   provide any supporting documentation for their 
complaint and is it attached to the agenda yes   they did and everything is attached and did 
you receive anything from the respondent in   regard to supporting documentation he 
did not respond staff would ask that   the uh supporting documentation attached the 
agend agenda be moved into evidence so move second second all in favor raise your right hand 
motion passes unanimously thank you um at this   time Mr Miss Hindenberg this is your opportunity 
to talk about your complaint with the board um my   bigest question since I heard the one before is 
how do we get this moved to the state's attorney   somebody that can actually do something to him 
and has the power to that's my biggest concern   question I'm turn legal you you filed a complaint 
with them didn't you I have called them they will   not do anything until they hear from you all yeah 
we have to go through the process and this is the   first step of the process and once we move the 
contract into the disciplinary action then what   we do is we come back and we'll look and see what 
type of restitution you're asking for and then we   make a motion towards that we also make a motion 
towards letting the state know what actions to   take and I think that after that step happens 
is when you guys can go and you know take it   from there whether it's through legal counsel or 
whether it's through the state attorney's office   but that's as far as we're allowed to do it but 
we have to go through the process and like I said   unfortunately TimeWise we only have these meetings 
once a month and we have to have enough time to   make sure that we let all the parties know of all 
the events that are taking place so they give them   an opportunity to whether re will come in in front 
of us and you know give us their version of the   story uh but I mean that is the process and U and 
they're right you this is the first step because   we have to look at it from the entire County point 
of view and that's one of the reasons I ask is how   many other permits that are open and I certainly 
don't want to and I'm pretty sure my colleagues   on this board don't want any other individual to 
be out there in the same position and then Advance   more money and I seen in your case you have a 
$94,000 uh contract with a scope of worker and   you clearly paid him close to that amount if not 
more and you know I don't know if he provided any   change orders to you or not or the the work that 
he did was it wasn't as bad as what happened to   the previous testimony um mine he went through on 
the contract if you look at it um we contracted   for our kitchen kitchen walls to be removed and 
a fireplace to be removed he started that right   away we had a little bit of a problem because the 
that was a la a large uh space and when I looked   at it the ceiling was starting to drop so I said 
we need a beam so he stopped got a guy to come   in do the beam and all that went up fine the two 
guys that were working for him one was a kid one   was an older gentleman um they're not really super 
friendly they're not high on speaking English so   um we had that problem when it got further on 
I had uh he got that done that that see there's   some stuff that's finished and then the date 
she gave you of that last inspection that was   the last basically I heard from him until he sent 
an email that you guys have probably dated around 918 he didn't write that email that's not his his 
syntax can we pull that up and see what his bual was close she's got to make different order but yep that one this is the 
document that Mr Hindenburg   is referencing I've brought it up on your screen since receiving this we 
haven't heard word one from him no texts no calls so this was the last communication you had   with him yeah okay supposedly 
with him this is more like cnex   what the computer says it is when I ran it 
through a match it says it's a woman's typing wording okay any questions we have from the board 
will we seek a motion to move it to disciplinary   unless staff has anything to add I think real 
quick just to see so obviously the deposit was   68,000 and then in addition to with the lumber and 
the roofing that you paid out of pocket that was a   total of 12,546 56 I paid in 68,000 okay initially 
and then the addition then another 15,000 when the   framing was complete okay so if I'm I'm just 
if I'm just scrolling down you have the 68,000   initial 15,000 that after the framing then you 
he your claim is he didn't pay the deposit on   the roof so you paid the 5,000 deposit on the 
Roof then you had the tibits lumber of 1,111   39 and the balance of the roof of $ 7,546 56 
yes is that okay the um tibet's Lumber put a   lean on my property so I went ahead and paid 
paid on that because he was just letting it   every month was getting another interest charge 
on it and did you receive a notice to owner from   the supplier no so um a notice of commencement 
is when that you would file um and it says that   you know that if that the contractor the main 
contractor could possibly file a lean if that   main contractor is using subcontractors or supply 
houses for them to have the capability to file a   lean they're supposed to submit to you a notice 
to owner from tibits yes yes you did okay okay you did do you know when I Believe Miss go ahead do 
you know when he replaced the beam um that was   probably within the week that I said something 
needed to be done is that was that in the   November December time frame or more towards 
um that would have been in yeah in 2023 okay   um the beam was finished before before 
Christmas yeah and the permit date was   in May is that right that is that is 
correct it was um obtained May 20th 2024 where's the job stand currently is it 
completed or is it still pending work what   okay after I put the roof on um my big problem 
right now is I can't get insurance on the house it   has four windows that aren't there and they won't 
ensure for the wind migration without the windows um the inside the outside isn't got any it 
doesn't have Windows it doesn't have siding the uh there the framing was done but under the 
bottom still there is no seal it has the   bolts put down every four feet like it's 
required but they didn't run the from the   bottom seal to the top seal they didn't run 
the threaded support for that um so there   are going to be problems getting that framing 
on the wiring and everything everything else done the inside of the room is basically uh open walls um the one side of 
it was up against the side that's up against   the back of the house I've started work on 
taking the brick down to put the wallboard up the north side of the room has a sliding glass 
door and a window and metal siding from where the   sun room where it goes against the sun room on 
the back of the house um I haven't started there   yet but that's going to all have to be removed and 
wallboard put up I've got to get those all down so   I can run wiring and it's so I've got to hire an 
electrician to do all that I've got Plumbing I've   got to do for the master bath we contracted for 
a vanity um we had problems getting it every time   it came in it was broken so we had him return it 
um we bought our own it's currently sitting in my   garage the only reason it's not in is the plumbing 
and there's another section of wall that needs to   come down so it can fit in he took one wall down 
out of my bathroom out of the master bath that   separated the the sink area and the shower area 
and move some lights um I Heard yall talking about   electrical permits as far as I know there were 
none pulled for any electrical work that his dad did um that would have been including the 
walls in the kitchen because they all had   light switches and plugs which I had him 
move up to the ceiling so I didn't lose sockets uh what else on the room the old ma the original master 
bedroom is going to become two closets   with a wall between um that's part 
of the stuff that he hadn't gotten to   because of the situation I guess but basically 
after the last visit was the fifth probably at   the same time he did that that inspection occurred 
that was the last time he was at the house did   we have any inspections done during the process 
yes yes and were they passed or it did yes pass   past inspection June 5th so this permit will 
expire in December it's still a valid permit   okay currently it is a valid permit yes yes and 
and I know that Mr Hindenburg mentioned about   electrical work being performed Mr Hindenburg you 
can file a complaint against um Mr the person that   did the electrical work and did not get a permit 
that's the one problem we have we weren't home oh   my wife was working still at Walmart and I was 
working at Cent Corrections gotcha understand   we're leaving the key mhm okay question for legal 
is there a way to kind of dam the river with this   a little bit and potentially suspend him bringing 
out any more permits for the interum until we go   through the disciplinary action or do we have 
to wait until the disciplinary action to then suspend I'll defer to staff on that so currently 
we have nothing in our adopted ordinance that   allows this board to preemptively take care of 
that um unfortunately we do have to go through   the disciplinary process that opens the door for 
you to be able to do that and we don't have any   pictures of this project either right we do 
not miss Hindenburg I think you you wanted to   say something as well um yeah I do um the money 
that we pulled and paid this gentleman with was   my husband's retirement money so now he has no 
retirement money um we have no money to finish   the project because I'm the one working Soul 
worker um so I'm just left with a house that's   got I have like 30 boxes of flooring sitting in my 
living room because I have nowhere to put it um we   can't do anything with the room we can't like he 
said we can't get insurance because there's no   windows so we have no money to buy the window 
so that we can get insurance on the house and   it's just very frustrating because for somebody 
to come in and be able to take all of your money   and just walk off with it it's just not right 
um but yeah he he has made a lot more um work   for us to do um other than what his originally 
needed to be done um the living room floor is   going to have to be replaced because where he took 
us the old flooring out of well he didn't take up   the flooring he just put it down so the living 
room flooring was a little bit higher than the   kitchen and everything so he put plywood down but 
they didn't get the right um thickness thickness   of of the plywood so when you walk on that section 
of flooring it sponges up and down so we are going   to have to pull the flooring up and and get that 
fixed um there's just little things that he's done   and has caused more damage too and I'm just I'm 
just really irritated um and I did when we were   having issues with getting in touch with him and 
everything I did ask him I said do you intend   to finish this job are you just taking my money 
he's like no no I would never do something like   that so you he basically lied to my face right 
there and it's it's just not cool that he can do   that to somebody you know no we totally agree 
with you and it shouldn't happen and again we   apologize you know that it has happened to you 
but you know we just have to be a little moreit   proactive also and then try to prevent things 
like this but uh right now if you can compile   a list of any additional damages that you know 
that you're going to be sustaining from the work   that has been done okay and provide it to staff 
so that way when we do make our decisions that   you know we have all the ammunition that we need 
in order to make the right decision yeah and the   one thing is we can't get anyone to come out 
and estimate what it's going to cost to finish   the room and to do the other stuff because they 
don't want to get involved you know with that   so basically I'm just sitting there with the 
useless room and no insurance on my house so   if there was a storm or something to hit and do 
damage to it I'm just out that because we can't   get the insurance or maybe staff can make some 
recommendations on um residential contractors   if we have any I don't know but unfortunately 
we cannot give recommendations in that regard   but there's plenty of them out there um you know 
that will come in and quote something for you and   they won't charge U you I see commercials all the 
time I I I called Emerald uh Emerald Coast which   is the parent company to the guys that did the 
roof um they don't want to get they don't want to   get their hands in it no because of the situation 
they're afraid they're going to end up in a court   cost or a court battle with him coming in saying 
well I still got permits and they're taking my job   was what I was qued so what can they do about 
the open permit is there anything that they can   do I mean I don't I currently it's open so there's 
no direction we can give you until we go through   this process so the permit is still open until it 
would expire in December um like Miss Ricks did   the contract termination process that doesn't 
close that permit out it just I mean she if   she wanted to move on get a different contractor 
then he would not hit any brick walls in getting   his permits um I mean yes sir I've been told if I 
do that my my civil part taking him to court will   end if I cancel the contract I will will lose 
a lot of my ability and my force that I have of   taking him to court is that a council telling you 
that or somebody okay well maybe you have to take   his advice on that because we don't know about 
legal interpretations and what you can cannot do   as long as I have an open contract with him and 
he's not working I stand a lot better judgment   against him than if I fire him and try to hire 
somebody else okay because then he can say I   terminated the contract he's not responsible for 
anything anymore well you started this process so   this can only help because cause I don't think 
it'll hurt it any and like we said earlier it's   unfortunate that it takes a little bit of time so 
we'll make a decision here in a few minutes to see   if we can move this in into disciplinary action 
and if we do in the uh next month's meeting I   think it'll be up on the agenda item and we'll 
go in we'll make some take some action against   the individual and his company to look and see 
what outcome would be and then after that I'm   pretty sure you'll have some leverage on your rent 
wherever it's civil or whether you know closing up   the permits I'm sure they'll give you some advice 
on that so any questions from the board I just um   kind of a question so when you say you can't get 
insurance you you mean home owners insurance or   you can't get a builder's risk under renovation 
we policy the own insurance there nobody wants   to offer uh it's just an addition on the house 
and that's a a I was quoted $3,500 for a builder   so you can get you can get a builder's risk of 
insurance but I can't get homeowner correct yeah   I just wanted to make sure you know you could 
at least get a builder's risk policy that cover   is the addition you can actually get another one 
that will cover the addition and your house while   it's under renovation there's the problem of the 
money to right I understand it's the money I got you okay seconding a motion you 
want to pull that uh violations up I make a motion we put this in 
disciplinary action immediately second so all three code violations to move 
into disciplinary actions U we got a first   and we got a second and all in favor raise 
your right hand motion carries unanimously yes I next that is this inv yes sir okay I think uh do we have 
anything else on the agenda actually   no sir there is nothing else on the 
agenda so okay we look for a motion   to adjourn unless you all want to still stay here second there we go all in favor to motion to 
Jordan all good all thank you all thank you