##VIDEO ID:qKUaVzDfO_Q## that was e e do me okay we're going to call the meeting to order scambia County competency  board meeting scheduled November 6 9:00 a.m. meetings call to order Madam Secretary do we  have a determination of quum yes sir Mr chair with seven members present we do Miss Jordan  will be joining us shortly thank you uh do we have proof of publication yes sir Mr chairman  it was published on on give me just a second on October 31st 2024 in the scambia county  Sun Press thank you and uh we're looking for approval of the minutes from October the 2nd 2024 motion to approve motion second second all in favor raise your right hand motion passes do we have anybody speaking on public forum today chair I didn't receive any speaker  request forms um you might just want to ask the audience I think everybody in the audience  is here for an agenda item okay anybody out there want to say a few words or we good to  move on we're good to move on uh if we can get the uh secretary status report I have  nothing for the board at this time wow you made it simple for me today haven't  you all right so we have uh one two three four contractor applications the first one  is clarius Jefferson uh it's h for a general contractor application uh could you please uh  yes Mr Jefferson you will please come to the podium state your name and address for the record uh address 1848 Cadence luk cantonement Florida uh board members if I may speak for a  moment to Mr Jefferson's experience he currently is employed with RQ construction he did provide  W2s to show one year eight months uh and to the present of that employment um he also you will  find an experience verification form relating to his DD214 from his time in the military uh  signed off on by his commanding officer for his construction experience U the experience  was highlighted on that DD 214 for reference he also has graduated through Auburn University with  masters of real estate development as well um with the transcript should be part of that package as  well um Mr Jefferson would you like to speak to the board a little on your experience in this  field sure uh so for me uh personally I I grew up u in a family of construction so uh my my uncle  had a construction business in uh New Orleans so uh during the Summers uh that's what I did  I was um Ro buster and all various other things uh and construction uh so I did all that um in  summers while I was in high school and then also when I was in college um and then I got into the  the military I had some opportunities to work on some large uh DOD construction projects um  I led a construction uh Department uh when I was in Greenland uh did that and then also um when I  transitioned out of the military after 8 years um I started um construction uh with the company out  in town Florida uh worked on some some projects in downtown Tampa as well and now I'm I'm here  in Pensacola working on some DOD projects on NAS Pensacola so uh I I am very familiar with  uh construction and the the processes as well and as Nick mentioned um I've also uh received  a degree in real estate development um going over all of the the competencies of construction and  uh processes and methods Mr Jefferson if you could please expound on what types of projects  commercial residential new single family dwelling just let them know what types of projects you've  actually hands-on experience in yeah so I've hands-on experience I've I've done a residential  um in in my family business um as far as uh commercial uh the project that I W worked on in  Tampa was a a commercial project uh 70,000 square feet um full gut renovation of a downtown um  construction project uh so we brought that up to new standards uh and then also with the military  projects that I've worked on those were projects that were um basically going into Mission centers  um gutting them out uh and then refurbishing them bringing them back up to standard and code um and  for the projects that I'm working on currently uh these are groundup development projects for  NAS Pensacola so building a fitness center uh and then we're also uh doing a substation building as  well um the substation building is my project that I'm project managing um so that is a full  groundup development and then also underground utilities as well a couple miles of underground  utilities do we have staff's recommendation on this uh staff's recommendation would be for approval okay second motion thank you for your service motion to approve second second all  in favor raise your right hand motion passes all right thank you board I appreciate your time thank you board members our uh next applicant will be Mr David bonds Jr coming before you for application  for examination uh in Roofing Mr bonds if you will please come to the podium state your name  and address for the record please hey my name is David bonds and my address is 1 1950 West  Detroit Boulevard Pensacola Florida uh board members Mr bonds does come before you with four  years eight months and 21 days of experience uh working for Bowman's Quality Roofing and repairs  uh we did notate that due to circumstances we did allow him to provide W2s to show his  employment and experience uh to correspond to the experience verification form in this case  uh if sir if you would speak a little to your experience in this field please uh as he said  I've been working for Bowman's Quality Roofing for the past five years uh but  I've been roofing for 23 years I started at age of 15 uh working with my uncles  I've worked for uh Bill Walther Roofing uh Bowman's Quality Roofing and another  roofing company or two over the years and that's pretty much all I've ever done uh  the past six years I've gotten more into into the paperwork end things uh doing estimates and such staff's recommendation uh staff's recommendation is that  Mr bonds does meet the requirement of the four years U and to approve for testing motion to approve motion to approve looking for a second second second  all in favor raise your right hand motion passes thank you Mr bonds thank you all very much Board of members our next applicant is going to be Mr Randle Wayne Gilmore Mr  Gilmore if you will please come to the podium state your name and address for the record please uh Ronda Wayne Gilmore 605 English code Florence Mississippi board members uh Mr Gilmore  is coming before you for roofing as the trade he does come before you he has been a business owner  in the roofing trade for 19 years 5 months and 21 days out of the state of Mississippi uh you will  find the attached Mississippi state licenses that he did provide showing his experience um some are  dated back to 23 and he did go back and provide his original 2006 um state licenses as well to  show his experience uh based on this 19 years staff's recommendation would be for approval and  Mr Gore if you could go ahead and please give them a brief rundown of your experience yeah I've been  working since I was 14 years old doing Roofing All My Life um with friends and stuff and I se  I can make more money doing on my own so I went out on my own and started it and uh I've been  doing residential all my life and uh been doing a little commercial on Sonics doing I've done  probably roof about 15 Sonics around Mississippi doing uh TP uh roof so that's all I know is  Roofing okay St but Roofing st's recommendation would be for approval okay seing a mo motion for approval motion for approval looking for a second second all in favor raise your right hand motion passes unanimously thank you thank you finally  board members our final applicant for the day is Mr Kane Aubrey DS uh he is coming before you to  apply for testing and Examination for Master Plumber with gas uh Mr DS if you will please  state your name and address for the record sir hey I'm my name is Kane DS uh 5830 sofle ponds Road  um and then Mr DS comes before you with an experience of 5 years 11 months and 30 days  I did notate for the qualifier um you will see that the qualifier did sign with a State Certified  license it it when it was established 826 of 21 dates three years two months and 5 days but they  did hold a registered license um initially created on 912 2013 so the qualifier does  meet the requirement of four years uh because that does total 11 years one month and 19 days  um so Mr DS if you would please just speak to your experience in that field sir for the board  uh my grandpa has Downs pluming been in business for almost 40 years uh started with him uh when  I was 14 15 uh so and I'm about to turn 30 so I'm coming up on 15 years straight uh doing Plumbing  fifth generation uh been on just about every big property in town from here to Dothan Alabama down  Panama City doing Plumbing uh my whole life uh my dad's a master plumber my grandpa my uncle uh  both my cousins just came up here and did this I got another one coming um just about every every  big big job in the past five six years that we've done I've been the lead on uh basically solely in  charge charge of it uh I finally time to get my master license been been doing it for ever  uh staff's recommendation would be for approval okay looking for a motion for approval motion  to approve second second all in favor raise your right hand motion passes thank you thank you if you if I can just say quick word since none of the applicants have left um you know  we appreciate uh you coming to SC scambi County doing work in scambi County but understand what  we do as a board here uh we try to prevent uh contractors roofers or um you know plumbers  Electric Insurance to come in here in front of us uh in the event of a mishap one thing I can  say to the roofers out there is be very cautious overly cautious on who you hire subcontractors  because a lot of times what happens is uh we as contractors and roof depend on our subcontractors  and they do a faulty job and at the end of the day it still falls on the license holder uh so  please bear that in mind as you're out there and as you're doing business and as you're talking  to subcontractors that you pre-qualify them and don't only go look for the number but make sure  they're qualified and they have the bandwidth in order to do the work that you're asking them  to do uh so uh we appreciate it but just you know try not to come back to this board uh uh you know  just protect yourself protect your Els and do good work out there we appreciate it thank you applicants you you do you're not required to remain for the duration of this hearing it's  going to be um probably cause hearings I mean you're more than welcome to stay if you would  like to but you're not required to I got a long ride back yes sir thank you all thank you Al thank  you okay so now we're going to go to the probable cause hearing uh so uh Madame secretary if you can  just give us a quick update on that yes so our first item is Wade L Hunter III doing business  s Lee Hunter Construction LLC registered license number RR 28281 12171 contractor competency board  complaint number 24863 coom it's in regard to Julie Ricks the homeowner complainant at 215  Barry Road Pensacola Florida 32507 proper notice was sent to the respondent Miss RX  are you present today and are you going to be providing testimony for this hearing today I  can thank you and Mr Hunter are you present today just to confirm Mr Hunter is not present for this  hearing at this time I'm going to have Miss RX and Miss Reber our investigators sworn in Miss  RX you can have a seat you can sit right here if you would like we've got some housekeeping stuff  to go through first um and Miss Reber will remain sworn in for the duration of this hearing today um I swear thank you um at this time I'm going to pull up the investigative report from Miss  Reber and if and Miss Reber if you could just go ahead and take us through um the the process  the date of the complaint um a brief synopsis of what occurred and if you found any violations or  alleged violations sure um received a complaint from Miss Ricks on August 6 2024 um after  reviewing all of the complaints I'm alleging that there was mismanagement and misconduct causing  Financial harm to the customer and a late permit um in brief Miss um Ricks entered into a contract  with Mr Hunter on July 3rd of 2024 to perform alterations the total cost of that project was $66,000 and uh Rick's provided Hunter a down payment of $35,000 on July 9th um shortly into the project um Ricks began to have issues with Hunter allegedly not uh returning her  calls not showing up on the project and such uh she she noticed several things going on with the  project she became concerned and so on August 5th she elected to terminate Mr Hunter a review of the  permitting history on the project uh resulted that Hunter had applied for a permit on July 17th 2024  um and was invoiced on July 31st however um before he made payment on the permit he was terminated um there was also some uh things that Miss Miss  Ricks later found out such as uh a material supplier was not paid sorry just skimming through um  Miss Ricks also ended up on August 6th paying a um subcontracting crew  that Hunter had hired um who had come to her and said that they had not received payment I think that's it okay um did the complaintant provide any documentation  to support her complaint and if so is it attached to the agenda as backup she did  and it is attached and did the respondent provide any supporting documentation for  the complaint uh he did respond to the complaint and his response is attached to the complaint in  the evidence staff would request that those items attached to the agenda be moved into evidence can I get a motion to move in you so move second second second all in favor raise your right hand motion carries at this time Miss RX it's  your opportunity you can go to the podium or you can remain there and address the board  in regard to your complaint um yeah I've met all y'all a couple months ago I came  in to speak about this particular person um truthfully I'm now at a point where I  realize I'm never going to recover that money that I gave him um unless I want  to use my money to chase after him to get my money back and so I guess you know coming in  here today I want to understand how it got to this point where a person can actually  do this and not really have any repercussions because I came for the last hearing that he had  that he was fined for and it just seemed like a little tisk tisk and then he can go off and  he can do this again in another County perhaps or maybe even in this County again and like how do  you keep someone like this from continuing to do this to perpetuate this on other people because I  feel like now for me like it's okay I'm okay about it but he should not be allowed to do this again  what what's going to keep him from doing that or anyone else so miss RX just keep in mind that  the board is only has the authority to do what is within their power so there are certain parameters  whenever these violations are determined that they can only go within certain parameters um  I see that there's another case coming after yours and just with like some historical cases  once these things start coming in the board tends to take a stronger stance um unfortunately we  don't get notified by everyone at once so it seems to be you know from the board's perspective we're  only seeing a first blip and then it starts coming in so keep in mind the board can only do what they  within certain parameters um the fu shary Duty I guess is the biggest thing to me like who is  accountable for that that this man can take money from a customer who who's where's the F you share  I mean I've talked to so many contractors now since it's all started and most of them has  said no you cannot take money from a customer and then use that on another project it's not  you can't do it in real estate you can't do it anything else so so where did the money go that  I gave them it has to go through this process yeah this process for for anything to be for  any disciplinary action to be taken against any license holder in the county it has to go through  this process and I understand that this process is not a quick process by any means but it has  to follow this process so you coming in today is the beginning steps of this process right mhm I don't I guess I don't have a whole lot to say except for the the facts of what happened so  PR much if you could speak more to because I see that Melissa um has has noted two things here if  you could speak more to the financial harm um allegation and and I know that Melissa has her  brief synopsis but you've been more invested in this complaint I gave him 35,00 th000 and  within two weeks he was gone and then I found out after I fired him that he had not he had charged  Lumber which was so ridiculous to me because we talked about the budget and he went and charged  the lumber not to say that can't happen at tibet's Lumber which was double or almost triple the cost  for the lumber that he bought so he could buy it on credit so he could have the 30 days to pay it  which in my mind he was never going to do because it's just how it looks um and so yeah when I got  a letter from them and then had to follow through with his ex-wife or soon to be ex-wife who's his  partner business partner to find out get the because even the lumber company will not tell  me how much I owe them they're just going to tell me look if you don't pay if you don't get involved  in this and get us paid we're going to lean your property I mean this is right out the gate I just  bought it just HED a contractor and now all of a sudden I'm getting leaned for more money  and this person I gave money to is not spending it where it's supposed to go did you receive a  notice to owner from any of these subcontractors or suppliers so I actually had the subcontractor  who so there was termite damage and there was um uh some mold issues um and so the floor had  to be completely replaced and the sub sub Contra contractor that he hired I was there daily I was  there every single day while this is all going on um and they started to give me the impression that  they were afraid they weren't going to get paid for doing the work and so I actually reached out  to the subcontractor I didn't care if it was right or not that that he supposedly was contracted by  Lee um and I was like are do you need to get paid and he said I'm I've been trying to get a hold of  Lee for four or five days said and I can't reach him and I was like okay so I'm not crazy this  guy's really just like he's left the scene of the crime and that's kind of how that went and  so then the person uh Rodrigo baroma he's also a contractor um he came to me and he said look  I need you to pay this I need to pay my guys and so I went straight to the bank out of fear got  the money came back and gave it to him and funny enough I ended up hiring him because I was very uneducated uh uh homeowner in Florida because the laws I came from Virginia every it's completely  different there and this guy I didn't yeah so anyway I hired him so he's been the contractor I'm not a happy person right now about all this I'm going to tell it's understandable  Insurance I've had to pay extra to have you know Builder risk I've had to extend my insurance on  my property so that I can continue the work on the property I've had to continue to pay two mortgages  now because of this person um it's just it's this whole situation it feels like I'm being ruined per  se financially um so yeah I would just like for it to be over and when did when did actual work began  on this project uh you mean from when I hired him no when did they physically come and start doing  work on this project uh the first I believe it was the 9th uh I believe of July he sent or dropped a  kid off there to do um to take out the cabinets and to do some stuff like that and that was  actually the first issue I had with him because I showed up and and the cabinets were taken out with  a crowbar and I specifically told him the cabinets were in great shape can we just take them out and  put them in the garage because I have something that could potentially be an Adu and also there  were some appliances in there one of them in particular couldn't have been more than a year old  it was a range and I was like let's save that both of those cabinets and the range were completely  destroyed and that happened within the first week of him being there actually first couple of days  and it was just excuse after excuse when I asked him why did this happen then he lied  to me to my face and said there was uh uh damage behind the wall of where the cabinets I looked  like I've been on construction sites pretty much my whole life so I walked out and looked  at the pile to see if there was any evidence of that none whatsoever so then I asked him  again and he said oh well I I'll take it out of this guy's pay well of course I felt bad  for as a young kid you know trying to make money money and this is the contractor who's telling  him to do this so yeah it's kind of crazy do you have anything else you'd like to share with the board um just nothing except for the multiple lies and lies and lies and lies that this person  told me about their ability to actually do this job and couldn't and didn't but  that's well Mr X we're sorry that you put in this position but uh it's unfortunate that we  do have Shady contractors out there uh but we are here to try to make a difference uh  I'm not sure how much of a difference we can make uh but it's important that you provide us  the amount of Damages that you've sustained uh from the events that's uh taking place I  think that's going to be the next step to look into and do we have any open permits on Hunter  construction right now outside of the outside of this project project yeah I can look could you  also look and see if his insurance is no longer expired I can definitely do that as well thank you if you just give me just a moment on your screen you'll see that I'm bringing up our permitting software which  houses all of the permits and licenses for all projects and contractors in es scambi County Miss RX have you contacted an attorney have you contacted an attorney I did  yes so have you brought suit against him I didn't I haven't done anything  yet yeah she suggested that i' take this route first okay as you'll see I'm selecting the license card of Mr Hunter within our system his liability and workers comp is currently up to date he does have an active reg uh license with skimy County in his Associated permits you can see that let me just make this bigger so you will see like this houses every action for this license it does have some permits  that are open has some permits that are closed again you see one here contract terminated uh also  the co cases um for his license that this board would review so outside of the two that we have  in here they he does have other permits that are open am I correct o Cliff is oakcliff is the next  hearing and this is very yes there's something on air Street Broadmore um are we allowed to  look into those permits and see what the stat St of the job is at this time and maybe meet with the  homeowners to look and see if there's a pattern of behavior happening so we can I can show it to  the board okay um this is the one that was on air Street and that did come to you air Street  did um but the homeowner has not terminated the permit and it was still active last it is  an active permit that's had no inspections on the air Street um this one is on Broad more it's had one inspection um and actually if there's no sub permitting this one would be  deemed expired at this time well it's a replum so we would have to go into those sub permits  just confirm whether it's expired or not but it's still an open yeah if we can just check into it so  that way uh we can prepare ourselves and you know anticipate anything that's happening with those  homeowners it that's the direction of the board for us to review his projects if yeah I would for  staff to review yes please okay we can do that for you okay and so what of our what of our U  marching orders on this first case so again this is a probable cause hearing at this time the board  is going to determine whether they believe that there's probable Clause that he violated County  ordinance State Statute Etc okay um again on on your screen you would have the alleged violations  provided by our investigator um this is what she feels has has possibly been violated by Mr Hunter  um but it's at the discretion of the board on how they would like to proceed certainly and  have we had any communication with the contractor uh I believe that the contractor did provide um a  statement and it's in the backup and here it is here if you want I can read it into the record  it was it's already part of the record please um so his response says and this is to Melissa the  investigator it says Melissa in regards to Julie I will forward you over my original invoice plus  the changes made in a separate email this email I will outline the job on July 3rd at 2:47 p.m.  I received a text stating she closed and received keys Sunday July 7th she texts a photo of where  she hid the key outside Monday July 8th we started removing carpet and baseboards without a deposit  when Julie asked about paying I said give us a few days we like to get rolling first we didn't have  to purchase anything the first day for demo so no need to press for deposit around this time Julie  has brought to our attention that she is wanting us to convert a bedroom and build a wall dividing  this bedroom into two parts and add another bathroom never discussed in original estimate  or plans of renovation this caused for a wall to be cut into and the entry door to be relocated it  was then brought to our attention she wanted to remove the current hall bath and move that into  where the current kitchen was and then old bath into master closet this is when I cut electrical  wires out of the bottom of the electrical panel and shoved down the floor because of the wall the  panel was currently on was being removed moving this electrical panel was another change never  discussed in the additional plans or estimate that caused the central heat and air to have  to be relocated which was done and placed in the atct by a licensed contractor this relocation of  HVAC was also never discussed or paid paid for in the original scope this job was consisting  of subfloor removal of dining and a bathroom due to termite reports we instead did entire house  after the fact because Julie was worried about the dog and cat urine that soaked through the  carpet into the subfloor and was afraid we could not get rid of the smell on Saturday July 20th I  received pictures from the crew that all of the subfloor has been removed I am not sure of exact  date but permit was kicked back due to not having my upto-date insurance with the county when I did  receive the email stating I had an invoice to pay for the permit I logged on and it said contract  termination on July 31st on Friday August 2nd I got word from the crews that all subfloor  has been installed this is where the job stood on this date I'm not sure what has been done  since I do know that she is wanting to remove a large loadbearing wall and she's not wanting to  wait on plans if she's fired us within 30 days on starting job while plans was in work for this  and that's the end of this document do we have any pictures that they attached to this case no  there's no no pictures no pictures I'll open it up to the board if they have any questions  we do have we do have a backup document that says project sketches that was submitted by  the respondent with the appropriate permit pull for this I remember about electrical  he submitted application for his structural permit um his insurance was not up to date  so his application was returned back to him until he could get that remedied he got that  remedied when he went in to pay the invoice for the permit application Miss Ricks had  already contract terminated it at that time um there were no electrical permits being pulled  and it's I believe Melissa got with our Deputy building official John and for what was done  the disconnect and turning it down that did not require a permit um had future or  more electrical work been done it possibly could have but to date it did not require it and just  to note there is a photo of the electrical box in the floor that's within the backup documents so any questions if not we' need to seek a motion to move it to  this little plary action yeah I I just want to make sure I understand you we're  saying that there was never a permit pulled period before this contractor started the  work that is an that is accurate he he did not have the permit in hand prior to starting the  work and when his insurance was paid and when he went back to get the permit by  that time the owner went ahead and pulled the contract so to speak that is correct okay okay we go back to the alleged violations yes sir make a motion to move it to disciplinary hearing based off the alleged violations I second that all in favor raise your right hand motion passes unanimously thank you Miss RX just to let you know that you will be receiving notice that this has  proceeded to a disciplinary hearing um we'll get out that administrative  complaint as soon as possible um but you will be receiving notice  of when that will occur and then as the um interim chairman had mentioned please  make sure that you get the amount of Damages together and you have that absolutely thank you our next item is Wade L Hunter III doing business as Lee Hunter Construction  LLC registered license number RR 28281 12171 contractor competency board complaints number  24967 coom this is in regard to Jeffrey and Cynthia hedenberg the homeowner complainants  at 6561 o Cliff Road Pensacola Florida 32526 proper notice was sent to the respondent Mr  miss hedenberg you are present today and are you going to be providing testimony for this  hearing thank you um again I'm going to sound the room for Mr Hunter are you here today I'm  confirming that Mr Hunter is is still not present um at this time I'm going  to have Mr Miss hedenberg sworn in and just a reminder Miss Reber was previously sworn if you could just be sworn in thank you at this time I'm going to bring up the  investigative report from Miss Reber Miss reer if you could go ahead and  just give us a brief synopsis of this complaint including date filed permit Etc um I received this complaint from the hindenburg's on August 26 2024 [Music] um the Hindenburg state that they entered into a contract on  October 21st 2023 to perform alterations to their home the total cost of the project was $94,000 the hindenburg's paid an initial  deposit of $68,000 on November 27th 2023 um the project started off by doing some demolition uh Mr Hunter did get a uh and then did did some framing of the walls he did get a  framing inspection uh the hindenburg's also made a progress payment on June 5th of 2024 for $115,000 um Mr and Miss Hindenburg alleged that the work began to slow down after that progress payment  was made uh they began to be concerned once it was time to put a roof on the project and uh they were  notified that Mr Hunter had not paid the deposit to the roofer um so in order to keep the project  moving uh the hindenburg's did make a $5,000 deposit on September 11th  uh during September the hindenburg's uh continued to try and reach out to  Hunter to come back on to the project uh he was not answering anything uh  calls texts emails to them uh they were notified by A supplier company that um  the bill for the materials had not been paid for their project and the supplier was threatening aan  uh therefore the hindenburg's made the payment to the lumber company on October 8th 2024 for $1,113 uh they also went ahead and had the roof completely put on and paid the  uh roofing company the balance of $754 56 on October 4th a search of the permitting history for  6561 oakcliffe resulted in an alteration permit being obtained by Lee Hunter on May 20th 2024 with  a pass strapping and nailing inspection on June 5th 2024 Hunter did not respond to this complaint  um after reviewing all the documents [Music] um I'm alleging that code section 1837 C12 finding  that a contractor of is guilty of fraud or deceit or gross negligence incompetency or misconduct in  the practice of Contracting code section 1837 d10 uh he's abandoned the project and code section  1837 d15a late permit contractor pulled the permit after starting the job but prior to completion of  the same and uh doesn't miss any inspections at this point and Miss Reber did the complaintants  provide any supporting documentation for their complaint and is it attached to the agenda yes  they did and everything is attached and did you receive anything from the respondent in  regard to supporting documentation he did not respond staff would ask that  the uh supporting documentation attached the agend agenda be moved into evidence so move second second all in favor raise your right hand motion passes unanimously thank you um at this  time Mr Miss Hindenberg this is your opportunity to talk about your complaint with the board um my  bigest question since I heard the one before is how do we get this moved to the state's attorney  somebody that can actually do something to him and has the power to that's my biggest concern  question I'm turn legal you you filed a complaint with them didn't you I have called them they will  not do anything until they hear from you all yeah we have to go through the process and this is the  first step of the process and once we move the contract into the disciplinary action then what  we do is we come back and we'll look and see what type of restitution you're asking for and then we  make a motion towards that we also make a motion towards letting the state know what actions to  take and I think that after that step happens is when you guys can go and you know take it  from there whether it's through legal counsel or whether it's through the state attorney's office  but that's as far as we're allowed to do it but we have to go through the process and like I said  unfortunately TimeWise we only have these meetings once a month and we have to have enough time to  make sure that we let all the parties know of all the events that are taking place so they give them  an opportunity to whether re will come in in front of us and you know give us their version of the  story uh but I mean that is the process and U and they're right you this is the first step because  we have to look at it from the entire County point of view and that's one of the reasons I ask is how  many other permits that are open and I certainly don't want to and I'm pretty sure my colleagues  on this board don't want any other individual to be out there in the same position and then Advance  more money and I seen in your case you have a $94,000 uh contract with a scope of worker and  you clearly paid him close to that amount if not more and you know I don't know if he provided any  change orders to you or not or the the work that he did was it wasn't as bad as what happened to  the previous testimony um mine he went through on the contract if you look at it um we contracted  for our kitchen kitchen walls to be removed and a fireplace to be removed he started that right  away we had a little bit of a problem because the that was a la a large uh space and when I looked  at it the ceiling was starting to drop so I said we need a beam so he stopped got a guy to come  in do the beam and all that went up fine the two guys that were working for him one was a kid one  was an older gentleman um they're not really super friendly they're not high on speaking English so  um we had that problem when it got further on I had uh he got that done that that see there's  some stuff that's finished and then the date she gave you of that last inspection that was  the last basically I heard from him until he sent an email that you guys have probably dated around 918 he didn't write that email that's not his his syntax can we pull that up and see what his bual was close she's got to make different order but yep that one this is the document that Mr Hindenburg  is referencing I've brought it up on your screen since receiving this we haven't heard word one from him no texts no calls so this was the last communication you had  with him yeah okay supposedly with him this is more like cnex  what the computer says it is when I ran it through a match it says it's a woman's typing wording okay any questions we have from the board will we seek a motion to move it to disciplinary  unless staff has anything to add I think real quick just to see so obviously the deposit was  68,000 and then in addition to with the lumber and the roofing that you paid out of pocket that was a  total of 12,546 56 I paid in 68,000 okay initially and then the addition then another 15,000 when the  framing was complete okay so if I'm I'm just if I'm just scrolling down you have the 68,000  initial 15,000 that after the framing then you he your claim is he didn't pay the deposit on  the roof so you paid the 5,000 deposit on the Roof then you had the tibits lumber of 1,111  39 and the balance of the roof of $ 7,546 56 yes is that okay the um tibet's Lumber put a  lean on my property so I went ahead and paid paid on that because he was just letting it  every month was getting another interest charge on it and did you receive a notice to owner from  the supplier no so um a notice of commencement is when that you would file um and it says that  you know that if that the contractor the main contractor could possibly file a lean if that  main contractor is using subcontractors or supply houses for them to have the capability to file a  lean they're supposed to submit to you a notice to owner from tibits yes yes you did okay okay you did do you know when I Believe Miss go ahead do you know when he replaced the beam um that was  probably within the week that I said something needed to be done is that was that in the  November December time frame or more towards um that would have been in yeah in 2023 okay  um the beam was finished before before Christmas yeah and the permit date was  in May is that right that is that is correct it was um obtained May 20th 2024 where's the job stand currently is it completed or is it still pending work what  okay after I put the roof on um my big problem right now is I can't get insurance on the house it  has four windows that aren't there and they won't ensure for the wind migration without the windows um the inside the outside isn't got any it doesn't have Windows it doesn't have siding the uh there the framing was done but under the bottom still there is no seal it has the  bolts put down every four feet like it's required but they didn't run the from the  bottom seal to the top seal they didn't run the threaded support for that um so there  are going to be problems getting that framing on the wiring and everything everything else done the inside of the room is basically uh open walls um the one side of it was up against the side that's up against  the back of the house I've started work on taking the brick down to put the wallboard up the north side of the room has a sliding glass door and a window and metal siding from where the  sun room where it goes against the sun room on the back of the house um I haven't started there  yet but that's going to all have to be removed and wallboard put up I've got to get those all down so  I can run wiring and it's so I've got to hire an electrician to do all that I've got Plumbing I've  got to do for the master bath we contracted for a vanity um we had problems getting it every time  it came in it was broken so we had him return it um we bought our own it's currently sitting in my  garage the only reason it's not in is the plumbing and there's another section of wall that needs to  come down so it can fit in he took one wall down out of my bathroom out of the master bath that  separated the the sink area and the shower area and move some lights um I Heard yall talking about  electrical permits as far as I know there were none pulled for any electrical work that his dad did um that would have been including the walls in the kitchen because they all had  light switches and plugs which I had him move up to the ceiling so I didn't lose sockets uh what else on the room the old ma the original master bedroom is going to become two closets  with a wall between um that's part of the stuff that he hadn't gotten to  because of the situation I guess but basically after the last visit was the fifth probably at  the same time he did that that inspection occurred that was the last time he was at the house did  we have any inspections done during the process yes yes and were they passed or it did yes pass  past inspection June 5th so this permit will expire in December it's still a valid permit  okay currently it is a valid permit yes yes and and I know that Mr Hindenburg mentioned about  electrical work being performed Mr Hindenburg you can file a complaint against um Mr the person that  did the electrical work and did not get a permit that's the one problem we have we weren't home oh  my wife was working still at Walmart and I was working at Cent Corrections gotcha understand  we're leaving the key mhm okay question for legal is there a way to kind of dam the river with this  a little bit and potentially suspend him bringing out any more permits for the interum until we go  through the disciplinary action or do we have to wait until the disciplinary action to then suspend I'll defer to staff on that so currently we have nothing in our adopted ordinance that  allows this board to preemptively take care of that um unfortunately we do have to go through  the disciplinary process that opens the door for you to be able to do that and we don't have any  pictures of this project either right we do not miss Hindenburg I think you you wanted to  say something as well um yeah I do um the money that we pulled and paid this gentleman with was  my husband's retirement money so now he has no retirement money um we have no money to finish  the project because I'm the one working Soul worker um so I'm just left with a house that's  got I have like 30 boxes of flooring sitting in my living room because I have nowhere to put it um we  can't do anything with the room we can't like he said we can't get insurance because there's no  windows so we have no money to buy the window so that we can get insurance on the house and  it's just very frustrating because for somebody to come in and be able to take all of your money  and just walk off with it it's just not right um but yeah he he has made a lot more um work  for us to do um other than what his originally needed to be done um the living room floor is  going to have to be replaced because where he took us the old flooring out of well he didn't take up  the flooring he just put it down so the living room flooring was a little bit higher than the  kitchen and everything so he put plywood down but they didn't get the right um thickness thickness  of of the plywood so when you walk on that section of flooring it sponges up and down so we are going  to have to pull the flooring up and and get that fixed um there's just little things that he's done  and has caused more damage too and I'm just I'm just really irritated um and I did when we were  having issues with getting in touch with him and everything I did ask him I said do you intend  to finish this job are you just taking my money he's like no no I would never do something like  that so you he basically lied to my face right there and it's it's just not cool that he can do  that to somebody you know no we totally agree with you and it shouldn't happen and again we  apologize you know that it has happened to you but you know we just have to be a little moreit  proactive also and then try to prevent things like this but uh right now if you can compile  a list of any additional damages that you know that you're going to be sustaining from the work  that has been done okay and provide it to staff so that way when we do make our decisions that  you know we have all the ammunition that we need in order to make the right decision yeah and the  one thing is we can't get anyone to come out and estimate what it's going to cost to finish  the room and to do the other stuff because they don't want to get involved you know with that  so basically I'm just sitting there with the useless room and no insurance on my house so  if there was a storm or something to hit and do damage to it I'm just out that because we can't  get the insurance or maybe staff can make some recommendations on um residential contractors  if we have any I don't know but unfortunately we cannot give recommendations in that regard  but there's plenty of them out there um you know that will come in and quote something for you and  they won't charge U you I see commercials all the time I I I called Emerald uh Emerald Coast which  is the parent company to the guys that did the roof um they don't want to get they don't want to  get their hands in it no because of the situation they're afraid they're going to end up in a court  cost or a court battle with him coming in saying well I still got permits and they're taking my job  was what I was qued so what can they do about the open permit is there anything that they can  do I mean I don't I currently it's open so there's no direction we can give you until we go through  this process so the permit is still open until it would expire in December um like Miss Ricks did  the contract termination process that doesn't close that permit out it just I mean she if  she wanted to move on get a different contractor then he would not hit any brick walls in getting  his permits um I mean yes sir I've been told if I do that my my civil part taking him to court will  end if I cancel the contract I will will lose a lot of my ability and my force that I have of  taking him to court is that a council telling you that or somebody okay well maybe you have to take  his advice on that because we don't know about legal interpretations and what you can cannot do  as long as I have an open contract with him and he's not working I stand a lot better judgment  against him than if I fire him and try to hire somebody else okay because then he can say I  terminated the contract he's not responsible for anything anymore well you started this process so  this can only help because cause I don't think it'll hurt it any and like we said earlier it's  unfortunate that it takes a little bit of time so we'll make a decision here in a few minutes to see  if we can move this in into disciplinary action and if we do in the uh next month's meeting I  think it'll be up on the agenda item and we'll go in we'll make some take some action against  the individual and his company to look and see what outcome would be and then after that I'm  pretty sure you'll have some leverage on your rent wherever it's civil or whether you know closing up  the permits I'm sure they'll give you some advice on that so any questions from the board I just um  kind of a question so when you say you can't get insurance you you mean home owners insurance or  you can't get a builder's risk under renovation we policy the own insurance there nobody wants  to offer uh it's just an addition on the house and that's a a I was quoted $3,500 for a builder  so you can get you can get a builder's risk of insurance but I can't get homeowner correct yeah  I just wanted to make sure you know you could at least get a builder's risk policy that cover  is the addition you can actually get another one that will cover the addition and your house while  it's under renovation there's the problem of the money to right I understand it's the money I got you okay seconding a motion you want to pull that uh violations up I make a motion we put this in disciplinary action immediately second so all three code violations to move into disciplinary actions U we got a first  and we got a second and all in favor raise your right hand motion carries unanimously yes I next that is this inv yes sir okay I think uh do we have anything else on the agenda actually  no sir there is nothing else on the agenda so okay we look for a motion  to adjourn unless you all want to still stay here second there we go all in favor to motion to Jordan all good all thank you all thank you