##VIDEO ID:X4od8rJ76ko## e although I did print two of them off just because I had okay today is Tuesday October 1st 2024 the time is about 3:50 I will now call the P policy committee meeting to order Miss Kenny is there a quorum present thank you uh please stand for the pledge I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all okay is there a motion to approve the agenda so thank thank you terara second all right um any discussion on the agenda hearing none all those in favor signify by saying I I opposed motion passes all right review of policies we have three policies to review uh this afternoon uh policy 537 policy 905 and policy 105.6 um is there a motion to approve sending policy 537 to the school board uh 537 is positive School expectations policy all right thank you is there a second second all right um discussion one of the things that um I would like to say is I'm I'm actually going to make a motion to table this until yes um it would need to be our first meeting of the new year which will probably actually be in February uh the reason that I'm going to make the motion to table it is this policy first of all is not an msba policy it's a policy that was written by farewell Public School staff and it was written about I want to say six or seven years ago when the when the district was having um some concerning student behaviors um and I'm not convinced that the items in here the language in here matches with the route that we're going today especially with all of our pre 3K through 8th grade being PBIS aligned um and then with our high school coming on board next year with PBIS so it's one of the pieces that I want to take a look at um with building leadership to make sure that it matches um it might be something that we come back and say yeah we've we've done a lot of looking at it and we have made these significant changes or we actually may look at it and say we just want to get rid of it too um so so I will at this time make a motion to table policy 537 until February and I I don't have the exact date but it would be the first Tuesday in February um would be our policy committee meeting and those dates have not been set yet but that's when we would most likely be doing it uh doing them so I will make a motion to table policy 537 until February the 1 Tuesday in February of 2025 is there a second second all right any further any discussion on the tabling um thank you for doing that because I've had a lot of questions on this policy so I think it would to take a long time so as you probably know I've already send you some so because there was a couple things in here I'm like we can't even do that now so that makes sense that it was it's older yes yes it like I said I want to say it was six or seven years ago there's no date on it but I remember working on it when I was high school principal okay um and the administrative team put it together um I'm not even entirely sure if it has been vetted through our attorneys or not okay so the February is the two February all right so I will it would be February 4th so my motion is to table this until February 4th of 2020 five uh who was the one that seconded that are you still willing to second that okay I just want to make sure yeah any further discussion any further discussion all right hearing none all those in favor of tabling policy 537 until February 4th 2025 signify by saying I I opposed okay um um get my papers in order here is there a motion to approve to approve sending policy 905 advertising to the school board so move all right thank you Nick is there a second second all right thank you Tara um discussion Mr chair I I just have a question um on the second page it says nonprofit entities and organizations may be allowed to use a school district name students or facilities for purposes of advertising so will the names of the students be given to those nonprofits then so if a that's my question I guess is a privacy thing I guess I'm so the way I read this is nonprofit entities that want to come in and work with or interview students for their advertising purposes would need to get a release from parents to release their name and and that would be for those under 18 right for those under 18 yes yeah because if they're over 18 they don't need yes and the parents would be aware of this then of course parents would have to sign off on it okay that's all I want to know thank you any further discussion right hearing none um all all those in favor signify by saying I I opposed all right motion passes is there a motion to approve sending policy 105.6 equal access to school activities to the school board so move thank you Nick is there a second second all right thank you Nate discussion Mr chair yeah just two questions it's on the second page uh it's under three definitions D it says distribution of literature does not constitute a meeting protected by the equal access act um so when they distrib distribute the literature I'm assuming it's only at the meeting it's not to someone in the school right I just want to clarify that it's just at the meeting correct so you're looking at three D it's a distribution of literature and then so I'm thinking that it's only at that meeting it's not to the schoolwide or anything like that meeting includes activi my understanding is that this is not something that's led by the district but rather the students so the students so so like under purpose it talks about yeah access to the facilities for students to conduct a meeting and so it wouldn't be a schoolwide distribution I just want to it wouldn't be the school Distributing it correct right yeah no this is for non-school yeah and so but then would the students have access to to like distributed throughout the throughout the District then it would be just at that meeting correct this what this is saying is that distribution of literature does not constitute a meeting yes and I I so when that brought up to me I thought okay if they're Distributing literature are they Distributing to the school then afterwards it just at that meeting then I'm assuming so the so there's different policies around pieces for that so if there's if there's a group I know there is more if there's a group that wants to come in and distribute stuff to our students it has to go through that has to go through building Administration and the answer is usually no um but then there are groups that will stand on the sidewalks and distribute literature to students and that is not governed by the school okay so as long as they're outside the school building they have to be on the sidewalk or on the grass meting median Beyond between the sidewalk and the road thank you and then only the other question is under four e non-school persons may not Direct Control or regularly attend activities of student groups I I think that's a good thing uh what if somebody a member of the public wants to just stop in can they do that because it says not regularly can somebody from the public just stop in if they need to or I'm just trying to clarify some things if people ask me it it could be possibly like for example um I've had Michelle Redmond from Big Brothers Big Sisters stop in to talk with student council at the high school about so it is acceptable like once in a while once in a while yeah that's what I thought thank you I think what they mean is that those are not open to the public right yeah yeah but you can have yes any further discussion all right all those in favor signif uh signify by saying I I I I I opposed right uh motion passes all right so that was all of our reviews now we're looking at revisions so we have three policies that are up for revision policy 418 901 and [Music] 902 is there a motion to approve sending policy 418 drug-free workplace drug-free school to the school board so move thank you Tara is there a second second thank you Wendy um discussion so I believe this one has come to us numerous times already uh what's that oh this one was voted down at the board okay so only the changes were voted down at the board so we're still under the old policy all right so I guess the um and Jamie is this a mandatory policy it is a mandatory policy okay so clarification we're only discussing the red the red items for this so the the when it came up the we're still operating under the old 418 which didn't does not have the red in it so we're deciding here today if we want to send the red section which is on page three at the very top it's section 4 d if we want to send that uh which was amended uh it says the Minnesota leg legislator amended this law to add this protection and I'll just read it uh it says the school district may not refuse to enroll or otherwise penalize a patient or person enrolled in the Minnesota patient registry program as a pupil solely based on the patient or person is enrolled in the registry program unless failing to do so would violate uh federal law or regulations or cause the school to lose a monetary or license related benefit under federal law or regulations so that was updated in 2024 by the legislature any other discussion okay hearing none um all those in favor of uh sending policy 418 drug-free workplace drug free school to the school board say I I I I opposed all right pass passes is there a motion to approve sending policy 901 Community Education to the school board so moved thank you Cassie is there a second second thank you Tara discussion it looks like the only thing that changed on this one is the legal references M and it looks like just one legal reference was last updated in 2022 any further discussion discussion right hearing none all those in favor signify by saying I I I opposed right motion passes is there a motion to approve sending policy 902 use of school district facilities and equipment to the school board so move thank you Nick is there a second second thank you Wendy right discussion once again it appears that the only change to this one is a legal reference um um under Minnesota statute 123 b51 any further discussion any discussion hearing none all those in favor signify by saying I I I I opposed all right motion passes all right that is the last of our revisions and now we're on to new policies we have one new policy to look at it's policy 6065 number that I'm sure we're all familiar with we talked about this at our last meeting um so this is more of a kind of open discussion I do have some emails that were sent to me from board members uh around what they would like to see in this policy um and then of course whatever this committee feels as well so the committee does not I want to be clear the committee does not have to support what the individual board members sent to us but I want to make sure that you hear what at least one or two members have said okay um so if you remember correctly this this Comm committee decided to send this policy as is to the school board it went to the school board uh at the last business meeting which was September 28th uh the board decided to send it back to committee um and then have information come to me I received two emails around 66.5 and I'll read both of those so that you kind of know actually I apologize I received three emails and I'm missing that third one I will pull it up on my computer so um I thought I printed that out but I didn't um so I received three emails from board members um so I don't know how you how we want to do this do you want me to go through what uh what the proposed changes are first yeah I think that'd be good is everyone familiar enough with 6065 live okay all right so the first one is um I'm going to read them in the I'm going to read them in the order that I received them so give me one moment here because they are kind of uh the the the questions that that come up are kind of all over the place with this policy so that everyone knows some of it's about substance some of it's about content some of it's just about how it's going to actually work as well um so one was here my thoughts questions regarding policy 66.5 they all relate to [Music] 72d 72 D am I reading that correctly 7 D2 must be 7 D yeah 7 D2 7 D two yeah they they typed it backwards so uh and the makeup of the Review Committee right it says in the makeup of the committee it states the committee shall include please note the word shall means it will uh should shall be changed to May is the first question are all of these people to be paid on this committee or is it volunteer if they are paid is it an hourly rate or a project rate per book do existing contracts cover this for District employees so that's like the first few questions there uh number two it states one library media Specialist or District media Specialist or public librarian if the school district does not have a library media specialist says I believe we only have one District media specialist in our entire District that is true okay we only have one licensed media specialist in our entire District what happens if this person doesn't want to do this what happens if they don't like the pay or can't commit to the additional hours um it appears that then we look to public librarian to fill this role what happens if we can't find this person do we expect this person to volunteer or will they be paid um if they are paid at what price okay uh number three is the principal and two teachers from our district it states that one member of our Administration would be but it isn't clear about the principal and two teachers my assumption would be that these are from our own School District but we might want to call it out uh number four two members of the district Community with no direct connection with the request for reconsideration can these be staff members how do we determine that they have no direct connection who is responsible for lining these people up number five two student Representatives age 18 or older as appropriate to the specific request are these students currently enrolled at FHS or could they be in college many of our seniors don't turn 18 until Midway through their senior year does one day matter from them being 17 to turning 18 if they are a senior at farbo high school so those the reason I read all of those first is those were more like logistical type questions in my mind so I think those are questions that I don't believe we necessarily need or have to answer here but I think it's you know my guess is that this might this policy might come back and forth a couple times um but those are questions there uh does anybody have any thoughts on those I think the sh versus May is a good point okay personally and I do believe that 18 has to be held firm that what being 18 the students being 18 years of age needs to be held firm okay um especially if we're talking about some folks that may have consequences if younger students will get them so eight to you 18 means 18 18 means 18 [Applause] okay we don't want to put our district in any sort of Jeopardy other discussion um I don't know go ahead I do have another discussion point with the media Specialists we used to have media specialists at every level and there is a lot on the plate of a licensed media specialist so if our media Specialists were to say no thank you I can't commit to this right now I do think we need to look at buckham library and take a look at um Contracting with them I don't think we need to say this is a voluntary position they have a and we would have to come up with some sort of compensatory to so that kind of answers another one you said to pay them so are you saying that this needs to be a paid and not a volunteer committee I would say if we're looking outside of the district and we're looking to someone with the license because the statute is very clear they need to have the library media specialist license to well if it's through our district then it's through Department of Ed but if we're looking for somebody with that lure they need to be compensated I'm not saying everybody else needs to be but if we look outside the district for that particular person I think you've got a good point there because if it is a media specialist they've had had you know education and I don't think we should expect them to volunteer maybe the rest of the committee but not the media specialist I think we're going to run into contractual concerns if we pay a media specialist and don't pay the teachers that are also on the committee what I'm saying is outside of the district oh outside of the district if Lynette could not do it whatever reason being and we had to look outside we would have to contract that gotcha so it's outside of our district so what do you I'm just going to pick on you since you're the one talking pick on me I'm um so what about the people that are in District it would not be the administration because they don't time sheet Administration doesn't get time sheets but I would be talking about uh teachers media library media Specialists just let's just say in District okay um that's three so would you how do you feel about paying those people I'm okay with pay or compensation like comp time okay it's not a sticking point for me but I do think if you really want someone to commit to the time that this is going to take there needs to be some sort of compensation okay I would agree it could be quite a time commitment and I mean people deserve to be compensated for time if I can get a point of clarification would we be putting in here that it's paid in here or is this more of just a discussion of what it would look like outside of this I think this is more of a discussion and I'm not entirely sure that we're going to make a lot of decisions and do a lot of rewriting here tonight I think that I think this is Maybe you know I I think maybe I'll make a motion here that we kind of do some discussion here and then I send out I'll retract the board members names and I'll send out the questions that they had so that we can look through it for the November meeting and then we can maybe start to put pen to paper there um but because I just think it's it's a lot bigger than that um the board seems to want us to really kind of narrow this down and lock it in so um but I think it's good to just have some discussion here for now uh does that sound good absolutely okay so let's let's do this let's continue with the discussion around this for now with the understanding that I will make a motion here as we start to wrap up um to table this until November good all right does that sound fair yes okay all right and then I will also send out these I will copy and paste these emails retracting any personal information so that you're just able to see what questions what questions all right um so one of the questions was you know should we change sh of May so that I think that's something to think of um I'm sorry did you I I didn't hear what you said one of the questions was that should we change the word shall to me oh okay okay um okay so that was that was one of the questions it has to do with uh is it volunteer or is it paid and if it is paid then I think think it would be in our best interests to look at a uh per project rate versus a per hour rate U because I tell you what I I'm a slow reader and the district does not want to pay me to read a 500 page book um I'm I'm pretty quick I can have it done in a night yeah not not me it would take me a few nights let's put it that way um so so that was one piece of it um are the people from our district I think that one's a I think the principal and teacher one I think we can agree that those need to be from our district yep okay oh yeah um and then two members of the school district Community with no direct connection with a request for reconsideration can these be staff members um that's that's a question that comes up do where's that dual role like Tara I'll just pick on you now you're a teach in the district but you're also a parent of students in the district so could you fill both roles all right that's a question that comes up um and then who would be responsible for lining these people up it would be uh it would be my design which is probably going to be the director of teaching and learning that's what that's what it is in other districts that's the person that runs these so um and then I heard from Wendy that 18 means 18 it doesn't mean 17 in 364 days correct how do others feel about that yes it's got to be 18 anybody disagree with 18 means 18 is it going to be harder to do that and still get a student in our district because many seniors don't turn 18 till later I'm just wondering about the logistics of finding those people well it says as appropriate to the request true so I'm not anticipating we're going to have tons of requests com through so I think if it yeah I think it it has to do with the appropriateness of the request um what's what's the concern with it you know um and and would it would it relate to having that age 18 number assigned to it or not then that goes back to I think we do have to change it to May then instead of shall if they're not going to be needed all the time okay personally all right I'm going to so those are those and you'll get those um the next email I received uh they had an amendment in here so this was page three section five so Five Section Five um number five it says Library materials shall meet high standards of quality in one or more of these categories uh they they suggested remove one and insert two so they would want it to meet two category or two uh categories of high standards instead of one right uh reason reasoning this section is the meat of the policy before us when readability is all that is needed to meet the one standard of high quality required for selection of Library material the policy sets an extremely low standard level this amendment would provide a more reasonable standard we heard from two members of our community with knowledge of existing Library materials who both requested this change I ask the policy to join me in increasing this from one to minimum of two areas to establish high standards of quality in two or more categories okay Mr chair yes um I I did not send anything in because I knew I was going to be on the committee but that is one of my concerns and I'd like to see more than two my my personally if I would email it to you would be three or maybe four I'd prefer four we've got to have a high standard here one isn't a high standard I don't think two is either so personally I'd like four okay so one of the pieces I'm interjecting now because I didn't stand anything so one of the pieces is looking at looking at do we keep that number one or do we raise it and if we do raise it what do we raise it to right okay um I think some of these lines are to me subjective right like definitely how do you define critical thinking or readability what's readable for me is is not readable for you I that's exactly what I was thinking so I think at least two I mean I don't want to be overbearing either right um so I think two would be reasonable okay and I was just thinking um in part because of what you shared about Natalie with the newcomer coming in over the summer and was now reading at a or third grade level even though he's in high school I want to make sure that we have books at every readable level in middle school and high school for our newcomers for our students who might have learning disabilities or cognitive disabilities that they have something to enjoy with a library access so I do think that's a piece that we have to keep any any other discussion around uh the number of uh categories okay uh this person went on to say uh they had a second amendment this was on page five section 7 d 2 e so we're back to the um committee the Review Committee again all right uh so the d2e reads two members of the school district Community with no direct connection with the request for reconsideration this person said remove with no direct connection with the request for reconsideration reasoning the composition of the library materials Review Committee is heavy in five District staff as written the community/ parent membership is minimal and restrictions in place shut out those requesting consideration preventing them sharing their knowledge and concerns to the committee this gives an appearance of disrespect to the concerns of community and parents U Mr chair that was the to eliminate no direct connection then it said remove in quotes with no direct connection with the request for reconsideration and okay I tried not to speak during this part just because I know that I I want the opinion of the committee to help make a decision I guess first of all I don't know how you would verify someone has a direct connection with the request for reconsideration but also I mean that feels really biased like if you're a part of the committee that's going to ultimately be attempting to remove or not remove how do you get an unbiased opinion without expressedly saying no direct connection right and I do think when they fill out the um form for consideration the person who fills it out has to put in detail what their concerns are and why so their voice is in that committee right and Incredibly important because the reason the committee is there and gathered so um I guess my opinion would be to to keep it on there um but again that's I think I agree with you with the with the keep that in there that's just my opinion without a direct connection with yeah to keep that piece in yes yeah and um this was one of my concerns too and I think it was mentioned I believe it was mentioned at the board meeting by some one of the board members it wasn't me but I think I agreed with it that I think they said it looked not counting the students uh there's five administrators and um like two members of the public who aren't not directly connected so I guess their concern is it looks bit unbalanced because there's so many district people on it and that was one of the concerns that was yeah and and and I've heard that from a from a couple different people and um so I actually did a little because the concern is that that this committee is Educator heavy um I spoke school district school district educator heavy and I I guess they were talking about two uh where I guess the question was were like where are the people not associated with the district where the parents well the parents are that they're not being paid for anything and members that uh not ass and members of the community that not that aren't Associated and in my mind and I could be wrong uh not associated with being not a paid staff member or a paid you know person in the district that's what I took it to me and I so I I I want to caution a little bit with that last part of your statement because we have a lot of coach or people that will come in and just get paid maybe for a couple hours a year that are not affiliated with the district but yet yet they they they have a W9 with us because they do six hours of work a year with us you you know what I mean so I I want to be careful that we're not we're not liting our way we'd have to be a little bit careful on that so that was a good point thank you yeah I I just want to I don't want to paint us into a COR where all of a sudden it's we're we're tapping the same two people over and over again so and we do have our PTO and we have our committee advisory boards for different committees we have yeah so we do have some appearance that we could tap into that that would be that would be good because I think more parents and I think we talked about that at the board meeting I not sure I think it was Cassie can you remember it's been a while ago I think that I think somebody's to Weare the parents we need the parents there too I do think we have to be cautious too though that I mean the educated staff that are there we are educated in some of this knowledge like what is best for students what do students like to read what you know is good for their learning what are we working on I mean I do think we bring different aspects to the table than parents do as well um and I would want to make sure that we have representation from all of our parents we have a lot of different you know types of parents here how are we going to make sure that listening to them as a whole and it may be too that it may be difficult for some parents especially if they have two jobs so I don't know how that would work out uh you know I don't know because it probably could take a lot of time and parents don't have a lot of time I know it's busy so this is a diff and that is one that is one thing I think for us to keep in mind that the you know if this all goes through and there is a Review Committee that is set up and reviews start to happen the reviews are at least a six we process uh some sometimes longer but at least a six- week process um to get everything set up to get the book read to have the meetings um and to make the decision so it's at least six weeks if not longer so all right I'm going to go ahead and move on uh because like I said I'll make a motion here uh in a couple minutes to table this until our next meeting but I wanted you to hear all of these all right third email that I received from a board member um says here's my input to the policy committee on policy 66.5 Library materials section five uh section five selection of materials A5 all right so section five right back where a five and we're right back there seems to be maybe we just rip that page out of this policy and then we don't have to worry about that right um section five uh selection of library library materials A5 leave as written materials selected shall meet high standards the more categories required the more restrictive the selection process becomes and is more subjective okay section seven which is on page bottom of page four section seven Rec consideration of specific Library material D2 which is on the following page right we're right back to the same one again y all right leave as written a Review Committee should consist of professionals who are in the field of Education these professionals are trained and know what library and media materials are needed and best for students it is important to have members of the school district community and they will have a rep have representation on the committee d 4 States d4a states that the Review Committee May consult individuals organizations and other resources with Professional Knowledge on school library material thus involving the school district Community more as well um and then this person goes on to say districts across the state have adopted the policy as presented this policy is and has been well vetted um I hope for a solid recommendation and complete policy from the committee for the board consideration so those are the three emails that I have received does anybody have others just have one yes uh and I think we I think we touched on this one before uh it's on the last page six uh it's under Review Committee 4 shall examine the specific Library material as a whole I think we talked about that a little bit uh you know I think some are saying we got to read the whole thing some that we didn't and I think there needs to be at some discussion on that so we can okay so you're talking about on P some books may not may not require the whole and I've I know was it you that asked me if I had some from Mary hacket and actually I did where are you at in the policy uh for um excuse me on the last page six it was talking about for the Comm page six page four six I mean four okay so 6065 DH six is the page last page I'm sorry I thought it all right so that is section up on top for the Review Committee section 7 4 B exam the specific Library material and I think some discussion on that okay so I don't know how we're going to because I think some books may not you know for instance the ones at Mary Read and I've got the transcripts here and so I don't know if we'd need to read the whole book on that one but that's for discussion we'll see what happens so I guess I I I don't disagree that portions of the book are inappropriate and graphic and pretty gross um I feel like is if we're opening ourselves and when I say ourselves like the school district up to potential litigation you know first amendment that's all I'm picturing in my mind we have to read the whole thing like we have to we we can't just take a snippet out of context to ban a book and again I'm paraphrasing but it's my opinion that we need to read the whole book and more than than likely we'll get to the same conclusion that the book may be inappropriate but it'd be my preference to read the whole book as opposed to a paragraph I just need to ask a question this is a legal question uh I know where there's pornographic laws in Minnesota um so that's what I'm thinking of if there's a pornographic law and it violates the pornographic law that certain section uh I guess I have a question would do would we have to read the whole book then I I I don't know that I guess it's a legal question so because there are pornographic laws but I'm not really current on all of them and schools schools and public libraries are exempt from those yes that's what I somebody told me that but I and I've gotten mixed even from A legislature I got a mixed response so it is true that we are exempt then yes okay no we are exempt from that um for for cases just just like this um so that we can do the work we need to do for clarify without having to worry two things I'm like okay um as for the other part I and I'm trying to remember this and I and I may have to make a call to our attorneys but we had uh Rat Wick uh come down who is our attorneys and Christian gave a presentation I thought that he said yes in that presentation you need to examine the entire work might have said that I can't remember and so that can be something I can follow with them around i' like to I'd like to clarification on it yeah um and the reason I I think is because it to kind of go along with what Cassie said if we don't examine the entire work then it's hard to say that we're not because it has to do with content and we're not you're not allow I know you're we're not allowed to remove a book from a shelf because we don't like the content and I think that's the big piece of it like of course you know por RC things we don't want in the hands of children understandably but this policy goes for lots of different things so I think we have to know the whole context before just choosing a part yeah and there's a couple things to also talk about that and one is in this policy parents have a right to say my child does not have access to this or this so I think it does give parents some power so if they know the policy they can say my child may not um access any books or publications related to this or that I mean I don't want to put words in anybody's do we have a for then to fill out like that or do we have to make one this is a new we have to make one so we'd have to make one the other piece that and this is concerning to me is that this policy directly felt licensed media Specialists and as people have retired in this District we have not sought to replace them with licensed media Specialists now our media specialist we have one is supposed to oversee all of this well of course because she's also doing stem andem she can't and she has been in elementary for 30 some years what has happened at Middle School what has happened at the high school because of her lure can fall under it but she has not been part of that selection so some of the things that might be in the media centers at middle and high school maybe because we don't have a media specialist at that level to provide the guidance when things are and also I think Mr granty you did say at one point that schools are or colleges or universities are not they no longer have a library media specialist no I think I think the I don't I don't I don't believe there's any college or university in in the state of Minnesota that has a media specialist field anymore and the last thing I heard of that there was one left in Wisconsin so that that lure area is pretty much non-existent so yet it's in our statute but yet it's in our statute exactly yes I know I I seriously I have I do have a problem with that does anybody have any this has been great conversation first of all let me thank you for this I think this has been good to have discussion around this um does anybody have any other discussion before we move on I have two motions that I need to make one that just came up because I just realized when our next meeting is and it can't be that day so okay all right yeah we had to asked that last time or the time when we yeah so how does the do do does the committee feel that they would like to have the next meeting on November 5th which is election day or would we like to move it two weeks later to the 19th not tell the 19th yeah I don't I I think it election day I don't think we should have have anything so I go Cassie you were saying legally we legally we can have it on Election Day yes between yes yeah okay that is the night before Thanksgiving breaks no no no it's the following week never mind we're good thanksgiving's late I'm I'm good either way Wendy do you have a preference well it is my husband's birthday on the 19th but I think he can it's not one of the big birthdays is it they're all big oh they're all big at his age okay you better hope he doesn't watch this Nate you have preference in okay so as the chair then I'm going to say let's move it and to the 19th Cassie I know you won't be here I'm sorry for that but if you want to prepare a statement that we can read um by all means you can email that to me um and I can read it here then yeah all right or how you feel on certain things um so we will move our next meeting to the 19th then of November I just don't I don't like having things on election days especially on presidential elections so um all right so the next piece is then I move to table policy 66.5 Library materials to November 19th is there a second second Tara thank you any discussion around tabling this until November 19th so so what I will do is I will email out uh you have the policy but I will email out the ones that have come to me excuse me that way we can really kind of start to Zone in on some of our decisions at that meeting and Jamie we'll try to keep that meeting just focused on 66.5 then if we can on the 19th yes so if we have anything that we have to go through then we will but um all right any other any further discussion all in favor signified by saying I I I opposed all right there are no more items to discuss is there a motion to adjourn the meeting so move all right second second discussion no all in favor signify by saying I I I opposed all right we're adjourned