##VIDEO ID:QiBMBz3QuqQ## [Music] [Music] was [Music] 5 Seconds no rush Maggie you're good no rush all right we'll call the uh Schoolboard and city council work session to order for Wednesday August 21st 2024 and we'll call to order this special meeting for the Farmington Board of Education and Joint City council meeting for August 21st 2024 as well please join us in Rising for the Pledge of Allegiance Al to the flag of the United States of America and to theic for it stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for all all right uh unless there's any changes to the agenda and seek a motion to approve motion motion by Steve second second by Nick all in favor say I I I also seeking a motion for approval on the board of education side has everyone had a chance to take a look at the topics for this evening any comments questions or edits if not looking for a motion so moved second motion by Christensen second by Gorman all those in favor I I we have an agenda I did it I can't believe we did that both ways that was great all right uh because this is the first joint work session that we've had um between the two bodies uh we'll just go through and do quick introductions for those that may not have cross PA passed uh to date yet uh Joshua Hoy mayor for the city of Farmington I'm Nick Le one of the council members Steve Wilson council member I'm Melissa Gorman school board member Kyle Christensen on the school board Becky Dy School Board member H Dr Maggie storle School Board I'm Hannah Johnson Simmons also on the school board all right and we also in attendance we have our city administrator Lyn Gorski uh we have several members of our team here and the school district has superintendent Jason Berg here this evening as well as numerous other of our administrative team as well uh just a few uh we'll say housekeeping items or um items of expectation uh not having this meeting for almost two years uh Cher Simmons and I got together and discussed about the importance of you know continuing to collaborate and and get together and just have a a better understanding of what each body is ultimately doing uh in and around the community um most importantly we wanted to keep it at the 10,000 foot view right like we do not want to there's no benefit to getting in the weeds um some of the items uh that are discussed we can certainly um you know we can have staff derive memos and start to get into it but this is more for us to just you know on some of the items that come up have a a good open conversation and um come out of it with some actionable items y I agree um as part of our goals and objectives for this meeting as Josh described we also are hoping to improve our collaboration and communication more effectively moving forward so that for the benefit of our community I'm sure city council as Board of Education members do we feel a lot of questions especially as it's related to taxes and financing of priorities in the district and under wanting an understanding of how those align and how we are working together so that we can leave this meeting hopefully with a better understanding of those items be able to communicate more effectively about them and then ultimately meet on a regular Cadence annually so that we can um continue this collaboration moving forward and with that we're going to turn it over to superintendent Berg who's kicking off our first discussion topic for this item starting with our school district enrollment and demographics uh thank you chair Simmons members of the board mayor members of the council and everybody else that is here appreciate the opportunity um I think when we met to discuss and kind of share topics for the session two of the things that really Drive um kind of the inner workings of our school districts our enrollment and our demographics and then School finance and um the we're a large District in terms of space and and we thought it would be good just to kind of ground ourselves oops wrong way there we go kind of ground ourselves in all of the areas that are made up in our district so we're made up of three different cities Farmington Empire and then a portion of Lakeville we're made up of four different townships Castle Rock and then a portion of Eureka Vermillion and Hampton and within all that we have about 41,000 um people in that total population so a pretty big population our district is currently made up about 6,500 Learners Early Childhood through 12th grade and we have 10 different educational sites in our district um and within that we have about 1.6 million square feet of uh space that we maintain and then we also have about 263.50 acres of land so we own a lot of space um in in our community our only building that isn't in the community is North Trail which is um in Lakeville but the rest of the space and the rest of the buildings all reside in the city of Farmington we're also by far the largest employer in in the community we have just a hair over 1,000 1,2 staff and 494 license teachers so we're I think sometimes when people think of Farmington School District they think of a little tiny school district District we're actually a pretty big entity uh when you put all those numbers together we have about 7,500 different people that make up our system that we're working with and and trying to provide a good experiences to on the employee side and on the learner side of things uh this is just a map of that again you can see we are surrounded by a number of districts Lakeville to our uh West Northfield and Randolph to our South Hastings uh to the East and then Rosemont app Eagan so there's there's quite a bit of um you know space that makes up our district outside of um the city of Farmington um one of the things that we are seeing um in our district is is a change and shift of uh the demographics of our population so over the past two years we've we've worked and partnered with an outside agency um Teamworks International to do a deep dive into our enrollment and into our demographics the first graphic you see before you is our district Community okay so this is all of those uh townships and all of those cities that put together and you can see you know from 2010 to projected in into 2027 you know we're slowly growing in in those areas when we look at different things um but you can start to see that we are are slowly becoming more diverse so in in in 2010 we were about 88% white 12% families of color and that has now shifted and projected to be in 2027 78% um families that are are white and then um 22% families of color now I share that more just for context because when we look at the next slide and we look at the demographics of the Learners within our our district that shift and change in demographics is actually happening at a much quicker pace and so I I'll give you some numbers uh to go with the graph on on on on the on the on the screen so in 2008 2009 when we first pulled this so you're you're talking um you know probably 15 years ago we were 86% white 14% uh Learners of color fast forward to 20134 it was 84% Learners that were that identified as white 16% uh that were Learners of color and then 2018 is when we started to see that accelerate where it was 78% Learners that identified as white 22% that uh identified as Learners of color and then uh this past year it was 69% um white 31% um Learners of color so we know that you know the state of Minnesota we look at the demographers all these different things we're becoming more diverse our community is becoming more diverse slowly but our school buildings are becoming much more diverse at an accelerated rate another thing that we look at in terms of kind of our diversity are the languages that our Learners bring uh the state of Minnesota has a designation multilingual learner there's tests and things like that that Learners take and it's based on home language and things like that and you can see now again this is it goes from zero to 9% so it's not it makes it look bigger than it is right but it's been a pretty significant jump um you know again in the last five years so 2008 2009 we were 66% of our Learners that qualified for multilingual Services uh 20134 was one point or 1.7% 201819 it jumped to 3.3% and then this past year was 88.5% if you look at that that's actually exponential growth um in our district currently we have about 57 different language that we support our Learners in and 177% of our Learners um have an identify a home language that is non- English so these are all things that are adding and enriching our environment in our buildings but also providing us different opportunities to figure out how do we support Learners that may not have the same lived experiences or the same language um that or the language skills that some of our other Learners have as we continue to look at this there's some housing Trends so again as we drive around the city of Farmington as you drive around our our school district there's no doubt that there's houses going up and for us that's a good thing right because our life brought blood when it comes to school Finance is Learners it's driven on the number of Learners that you have and we'll get to uh the birth rate here in a minute but you know currently it's about 60% of um all of our housing in the district single family the average market value when we did this so this was a year ago this is probably low was about $425,000 um since 2010 you can see there's been a significant number of houses built in the district almost 3,200 and that average sale price has jumped 35% from 2010 to last year we this from 310,000 to 419,000 in our district a majority of our Learners come from single family homes almost 75% and the projections based on last year so when they came in they looked at everything that was planted everything that was planned to be built the projections at that time for about for for about another 2,800 single family homes and another 1,000 or so town home or multi family home so we know that there's this is going to continue to increase unless something you know significantly changes uh in the economy or something else goes on in the world which we've seen happen a few times in the last four years um some additional housing trends of of where our kids are coming from again 75% are coming from those single family homes uh a a smaller percentage from Apartments but we anticipate that that will potentially grow as as Farmington adds more of those those types of housing opportunities and the same thing for manufactured homes so about 7% down below uh is what we use when we use our enrollment projections so as they're building out these houses one of the things that Teamworks did is said well you can anticipate for every house that's built you know a single family home you're going to get about a 05 kiddo okay every apartment's going to be a 0.19 every manufactured home is a. 58 so that allows us to kind of take that information of what is projected to be built and build that into our enrollment and our modeling which we'll talk about here in a second I'll pause I you obviously I can talk pretty fast which you guys can see I don't know if anybody has any questions at this point in time or want to hit a buzzer or raise your hand any questions you know the the single family home 47 versus the manufacturer at home Json on 0.58 intuitively that seems think that should be a little different do you have do you have any insight well we have less manufactured homes um and so I think that's part of that and as we build out the single family homes and swi yeah not as many people are moving into those what we're seeing not as many people are moving into those with kids and things like that so I think that changes a lot I'll be quite honest with you too we're starting to see um in not just um single family homes but also on our manufactured homes more than one family living in that so that will skew that and change that as as well in some of those um instances good that's good all right enrollment Trends so this is this is where we spent a lot of time because this this significantly impacts our financing um and we knew prior to covid that we were seeing I'll just use the word slow leak in our enrollment um it was happening at the elementary level and we really couldn't put our finger on it until we had had Teamworks come in and do a deep dive into our birth rate and it was pretty shocking and eye openening when we looked at the birth rate in our district between you know when they did the survey a year ago and 2010 that that birth rate has declined by almost 30% and when we saw that number and looked at not only the kids entering kindergarten in first grade but also for us our p5s those are kids that are eligible to get into schooling and things like that and saw those numbers decreasing was like well yeah that makes sense people aren't have as many kids so there's not as many kids entering our system which is going to impact our enrollment um overall you know from 2010 we did see our enrollment grow but a lot of that had to do with the big wave of kids that is just coming out of our our middle school and into our high school from you know pre2 2008 2007 when this District grow grew rather rapidly um as you can see our elementary um our elementary enrollment did decline over that period and that again is a direct result of that decline in birth rate and then Middle School grew slightly and and again we saw the biggest enrollment in the high school as that that wave go through hey Jason I just want to pause here because I think it's helpful to add that this is one of the biggest questions that and most frequent questions that we feel as board members is there houses going up all over there developments going up all over how come their enrollment is going down and I think there's a misconception in some of the narrative is that people are opting out or open and rolling at a higher rate in charter schools and other districts and that's just not true and when you dig down into it the birth rate is the biggest driving Factor but it's something that we hear a lot and have to explain and talk through and then maybe as City Council Members you might hear some of that too the the charter school inner Community has taken kids from us that that's a that's a new thing but overall the rest of the kids that were open and rolling for into other districts for lots of different reasons surveyed it you know has to do with we have a lot of teachers that live in this District when I went out on um uh National Night Out when we were over in um in the development just south of Farmington High School ran into three different teachers that work in different districts you can understand if they say we want to take our kids with us you know especially if they're elementary teachers you know we don't um you know we don't have the same experience as as a private you know maybe you know parochial school or something like that for some families that's right and we support that that that um you know ratio is is remained relatively same throughout again you know the the charter in our in our community that that has CH that has impacted us somewhat that's new but the rest of it has remained relatively same you know as we've been looking at these different numbers and things like that um as as we look and and continue to kind of go forward so here's the projections okay and there's and there's two projections up there there's one projection which is just accounting for birth rates and then survival cohort survival cohort is kind of mathematical process of looking at okay what's your typical ins and outs on a yearly basis then apply that moving forward so you can estimate you know what your Plus or minuses are going to be if we just look at birth rate and nothing else changes in this community um we would decline by almost 20% in the next 10 years so we'd go for where we are now which is about 6,500 to about 5300 learners now to what Hannah was talking about right we do have to take into account the housing market and things like that so when we take into account um the ratios that we just talked about the ratios that we shared the planned housing and uh the capture rates from those um we will see a 3.8% increase over the next 10 years um and go from about 6500 to 6900 so in reality what what we're thinking is going to happen is the increase and the continuing building of houses and people moving into those at a similar rate of what they're moving in at and bringing in kids or having kids at the same rate we will just be able to offset that at a little higher rate to slowly increase our enrollment and the reality is for a school district if your enrollment is flat or you're loseing enrollment you're in a lot of trouble because your costs are going to outrun what you're getting from the state you need that boost from in enrollment so for those of you that are visual Learners here's what that looks like on a a graph so the green line is kind of our historical enrollment um you could see that you know 2018 19 1920 2021 you know in that area kind of that slow little bleed and enrollment that we were seeing due to um the decline in birth rate and then moving forward the top blue one I know it's a little bit hard to see is that um future development gains right so if we continue to gain and build houses at the rate then that's kind of our enrollment Trend a little bit flat but raising slightly and then the green one is what happens if right we don't add anything through housing or things like that so again that gives you a general picture and a general idea so I guess the two big takeaways for for anybody that you know is here or watching at home or watches the recording right is that you know the decline in birth rate continues to impact not just our school district but all school districts around and that we anticipate you know kind of a slow growth in our enrollment as long as the housing market and um those continue at the pace that they have the last couple of years so well I should say too the other thing is we're becoming more diverse really quickly right right um not necessarily a question more of a oh no it is a question so since because I remember 2019 is 2018 2019 the arment I thought the number was right around 7200 that says just short of that um so for the for the average person right if you're looking at um attrition to you know whether it be Charter Schools or procul or out of District whatever it may be very small number but looking at the last four or five graduating classes relative to the incoming kindergarten class there's a significant disparity significantly larger classes graduating yeah um and and I I hope this can be confirmed so to I mean to that point so our gra our 12th grade class this year is 552 yeah and our first grade class so that's last year's kindergarten is 396 yeah and that when you go back and I mean I was in today because we were looking at enrollment we're looking at Staffing right you you you get back once you start to hit like like Fifth and fourth grade is where it starts to dip it goes you know in middle school right now it's it's bouncing back and forth forth between high 400s low 500s and then you start to get and it starts to get into the the mid to low 400s at the upper elementary and then right around I mean right around 400 with first and kindergarten coming in and again for we'll talk about I we we might not but the other there's there's a double whammy for school districts with that and this is kind of a finance thing but it it it impacts our budgeting process because from the state we actually get a multiplying factor for 7th 8th 9th 10th 11th and 12th grade is that right Jane 7th yes some at 1.2 and then K through sixth grade is a one so if you are exiting more kids at your high school than you're in here not only are you losing enrollment you're losing that multiple multiplication factor of a point two so you get it kind of dinged on both ends so it's not right now we're not seeing that because we still have higher numbers but as those kids come through the into the high school and start to exit and those are small and you lose those bigger numbers you know you go from having you know 552 to even 500 that's you know 52 kids you're losing a multiplier of 1.2 on off the basic funding formula all right and again I you know if you look around there's there's very few districts that are growing their student enrollment and if they are it is through housing and you could draw a circle around our district right now and there's one that's growing the rest are either maintaining or declining I'm interested from the city perspective knowing that you guys have similar data that forms planning it it is this similar to what you know I know we're digging into the school specifics but in terms of birth rate projections does this line up is it similar wildly different than the data you guys use and who pulls that for you no it it's it's not it's not all that different the you know some of the some of the metrics that that we're looking at is median age Medan income you start to look into like on the community development side uh you're looking at um sector of employment you know you're trying to position multiple pieces because you know yes there's housing and there's zoning and we're we're looking at our 2040 comp plan and met Council just put out their 2050 so you're always looking those two decades ahead and you're trying to you're trying to follow the populace and figure out is the current zoning that's in place um sufficient based on or and uh able to support the anticipated growth in the sectors at the end of the day um naturally occurring development it happen sometimes based on who wants to sell and so we're we're always looking at um we look at it more from like the capital Improvement plan long-term Financial stability and knowing that if we relied on housing like that's a going out of business strategy like we can't but we have to factor it in um because it does support employers and you know perspective employment base and um but no our our median age has continued to decline like the last four years it's I mean now I think we're 32 um you know home value goes up um County sets that obviously but home value goes up median age goes down um number of kids per is slightly decreasing and we're seeing the same within the city that I mean I think it was four years ago it was um um our our diversity was like 92% white and now last sensus was like 88 and a half or 889 so it's there's a there's a shift but um it doesn't like I don't I don't I know we don't rely on it anywhere near as much as you have to they're they're indicators for us but they're we don't unless you disagree we we're not making decisions based on like our populace and the change of it right right that makes sense right because we can we can blend where you're relying on dollars from the state you know we can blend ours with our tax capacity right and that'ss yeah thanks other questions for Jason so Jason looking at the numbers it would seem to suggest that across the entire District which of course would be Farmington and the other communities that there' have to be about a about 400 housing units give or take per year to kind of sustain is that about right and you factor in I I don't know if we've gone exactly that deep we've gone we haven't really tried to project what they need to do we're building we're basing off of what's being platted and what's going there and then we're readjusting based on that number instead of saying because we don't have any control over those things sure and stuff so we we look and we project but we are can constantly I mean we probably update our projections our enrollment probably two or three times a year sure based on stuff so we to be honest with you Steve we haven't really kind of dove in that much to see what it would need because it's not something we can control out of curiosity though the question question that you posed for us have you engaged with the Lakeville city council or their team at all on some of that uh I mean I I meet with their and and talk to their City administrator but their Council no Okay the reason I ask is is and again keeping it out of the weeds but the question that comes to mind right away is like I look at the number of permits that we issued last year and even with the multif family it was approximately 200 or just under um when you look at the city of Lakeville within the district I'd be curious if if their numbers um pupil per household by type is consistent with like what Farmington is experiencing because you look in the city of Lakeville and you see you know they've got 700 building permits so when they so when they did the study for us we didn't have them pull it out by you know City jurisdiction we just said throughout the district and stuff so maybe if we have them come back and do another one might be worth looking at from our perspective um please don't spend money just cuz I asked the question no no I mean we're it right wrong or indifferent that what we figured out is is doing a better I mean we need to do a better job with an enrollment so whatever we spend on that is is money well spent to try to get a a a a better idea of what those projections are because that impacts our modeling and impacts everything that we do and you'll see here that you know school finan is really kind of goofy anyway so it makes it even more difficult so yeah and and just as a followup to my question Jason and again I'm not wanting to stay in the weeds but there must have been some kind of metrics that derive the Blue Line in other words whether it was housing or whether it was something to create those data points must they took I believe they took the the points that that was platted and planned what those were currently platted and planned took the capture rate on there and then extrap that okay okay does that make sense yep it does so again I mean we did One two years ago and this looks a little bit different than when we did it last year because we have updated information on what's going on there's new ones coming on there's ones that were planned that were slowed down and stuff so in a perfect world you'd probably do this every year sure thank you and this doesn't represent the offset because right because if we're looking at where the black line is we're only going up 3.8% but we're going down 19.7% so it doesn't really reflect the offset of if we were to meet that 3.8 that 19 this is what the lines would look like right um I'm not I don't I'm not sure I understand so these lines were plotted based on the data that you gave that the birth weight birth rate decreases 19.7% right so if I look at the black line and I go down 19.7% that's how we get to the 50 356 the green line assuming assuming right if we're on if we're on track with the projection for 10 years then the the blue line is your projected increase of 3 so they're taking into account of all the housing right all the housing but that doesn't show you the offset which which isn't much right but between the 19.7 and the 3.8 you don't have any L line planted to show the offset between the housing and the birth rate yeah oh no okay other questions anything around demographics for the school data used okay we'll move into our favorite which is school Finance we start with yeah and we started with enrollment because that drives our finance so um we have multiple funds in the school district but when we talk about uh the dollars and the revenue that goes to specifically classroom that's generally what we call general fund and so this is for FY 25 you can see that a majority of our funding does come from the state 80% uh the blue pie piece is 15% that is what we uh generate through our property taxes and the leving authority that our school district has or voter approved operating uh levies or bonds that have been uh approved then you can see there's some federal sources and things like that so we we basically live or die with what the state gives us historically for the last probably you know 10 12 years that has been a 2% raise on the pro pupil funding formula so um you know when you look at at at the cost of everything that goes on we've had to make basically everything work within that 2% and that's why um at some point in time uh it has now become the norm where where school districts need to go out and ask for additional money from their their voters the school board has has very very limited leving Authority okay and that is actually set in statute so um they we do Levy money every year um that is based on the formula from mde and to be quite honest with you there's not much that the board can do um in terms of trying to increase or decrease that it's all set in Formula the other part that's unique is that is also made up of Aid and Levy meaning that when we collect Revenue um you know a certain amount of Revenue part of this the part the state kicks in a part of that so for us and our district because of our tax base and other things currently our Aid Levy is basically a 50/50 split so for every dollar that is brought in through that levying process our taxpayers pay 50% the state kicks in 50% so now as our tax base increases they adjust that but right now it's about a 50/50 Levy SP split any other Levy or Bond must be approved by the voters so we currently have one uh Levy in place that was approved in 2015 and it is set to expire after the 25 26 school year and that generates approximately $5 million per year we don't have any other levies in place um just the capital Bond levies that are expiring in the next4 years right yes yeah we us operate ly versus yeah yep that is true we still have we are still paying off some bonds but the one that's still generating Revenue that we're using is the is the operating Levy now this is really hard to see and I apologize for this but this is uh the 7 count metro area and this is each District's operating and capital outlay Levy so a district can go out and ask for operating money which goes in the general fund and they can also ask their voters for a capital outlay and typically that can be used on a handful of things but a lot of times it's used for technology so when you look at this basically what has happened is when the levies were introduced they were known as excess levies because districts went out and they wanted to do extra things right add things that they they didn't have think of them as special what was happened over the period of time and the continuing of you know two% on that per pupil formula districts have really come to rely on these for their day-to-day operations when you look at this almost every District in the in the seven count metro area other than St Francis Randolph bplan and Jordan have some sort of existing operating Levy and that range is at the very top which is Hopkins which generates an additional $4,200 per learner to Us near the bottom which is about uh $700 per learner so you can see that you know when people talk about funding around uh schools and school Finance it is not Equitable at one bit when you have a district that can generate an additional $4,200 per learner and then there's districts out there that are just you know basically living off of what the state gives them the median of that is about $2,200 per learner now that also has a direct impact on what school districts can spend per learner so when you look at this uh you can pull this off of MD's website you can do this for any District in the state you can do this for anything to see what they spend per learner but you can see that um you know for fy2 and they're a couple years behind so this is a little bit behind but for FY 23 our district spent about $133,000 per learner the state average was almost $15,700 again that's a difference of $2,600 per learner on what school districts are able to spend compared what we're able to suspend so just like anybody else when they start looking around well why don't you have this why don't you have that why don't you have this and start comparing to other districts the reality is is it's all based on your ability to generate additional Revenue through that Levy process even if you compare us to our our the the closest District to us um in terms of spending which is Hastings uh they spent about $14,700 so there's a difference of $1600 and again just take 6500 multiply that ,600 and that gives you an idea of the potential Revenue Vue you know that that we don't have that that somebody else have so again the ability to generate that Revenue beyond what the state gives you directly impacts what we're able to spend and and it does impact our our core services that being said there's other things that impact us as well a lot of them are very well intended and some of them are going to have some really good outcomes but the reality is is if the state tells us to do it and they don't fund it or they partially fund it it comes out of our general fund and is taken away from something else so two of the biggest ones are are cross subsidies if you're not familiar with that cross subsidies are general fund dollars that we need to use to pay for things that are mandated the two biggest ones across all districts of the state of Minnesota is a special ed cross subsidy now again we should be providing special education services to all our kids regardless of what it is whether it's required by law or not we should be doing that now it is mandated it should be paid for by either the state of Minnesota or the federal government now the state has kicked in a little bit extra but even with that we spend about uh $5.7 million our general fund to cover costs that the state or federal government should be covering that's money that we can't use on day-to-day things in our classrooms and other learning opportunities multilingual again we should be providing all the supports that our kids need um to find success in our buildings and things like that but this is another thing that's mandated and and semif funded again about a million dollars comes out of our general fund to provide the services that are needed to support those kids so right there is almost $7 million out of our general fund out of a $96 million um you know budget that is used on things that should be covered by other things the read Act is going to be awesome it's probably one of the best things that the state has done in a long time it is going to require and provide really good professional development around literacy um we are super excited about it actually today was the first day that our teachers uh uh our elementary teachers and some our high school teachers started the training the again the issue is the very limited funding that goes around this this is going to be significant professional development that they've paid for part of it but it is going to be ongoing professional development for years and years to come if we want to um see the impact that we that we believe it can have it can't be two years and be done we also are going to have to invest significantly in curricular resources um and again you know looking conservatively we're going to have to probably make a purchase this year of of resources to support that work about $410,000 and then like everything in education now it's subscription based so it's not like in the old days where you bought it you could use it you buy it now you continue pay for it and we anticipate that to be about $15,000 per year and then again that ongoing professional development right that's going to be additional people and additional training to help support that we going T spit that to be about 220,000 unemployment insurance a lot of entities are are are dealing with that the state provided uh funding for two years uh they thought that it would last through this summer the information we're getting right now is it probably will not last through this summer once that initial funding runs out then the districts are on the hook for that and what the unemployment insurance is the extended um who's eligible now so our hourly employees in our district are eligible for unemployment insurance during the summer and we've seen a significant an increase in employees filing for that so the $220,000 or $280,000 is probably low because we're still adding up what we're seeing this summer and then paid family medical leave that that kicks in in um January of 2026 and that's a payroll tax split between um the the the district and the employees they started out by saying well a 7% payroll tax will cover that it's now 8% and they're telling us it's probably going to be % by the time that it gets there so again this is money that we need to come up with we need to cover so you know once that kicks in conservatively about $400,000 per year um that we'll have to kind of to figure out how to to come with that and then like everybody else I mean we're working through schools have become a Target um of cyber attacks and we've worked pretty diligently to kind of sh those things up but those increased costs around Insurance cyber security um they've gone up almost 50% um we didn't get a big increase this year but we're anticipating another one next year so these are things that um continue to come up and and impact us as well now we we know that there's been a lot of talk especially coming out of the last two legislation sessions about all this historical funding and there I mean taking on its face value yeah there's been a lot more money put into education which is a good thing uh the issue is and the dirty secret is is that most of it has been put into categorical funding which means it's dedicated to a specific purpose which means that we may not need it for this but you can't use it for that so this graph just illustrates the amount of money that is um discretionary versus categorical so the little blue one is the discretionary which gives districts the ability to use it on whatever they need the red is the categorical so you know there was this historic funding but there was also historic mandates and historic requirement and unfortunately the historic funding did not cover the historical mandates and historical requirements which are putting us in a much tighter position uh financially we've been working on our budget you know a lot of times you know people aren't paying attention especially when there aren't big things being reduced or um that are drawing an outcry from the community but you know over the past three budget Cycles we've realigned almost $4.1 million um we've also the board made a decision for this upcoming school year to use $2.7 million from our assigned fund balance to really um saave off any more uh reductions and that's a good thing for this coming year because we can continue the programs but the reality is when you're deficit spending that is just going to grow basically double so you're looking at a$ four to5 million deficit that will have to fill one way or another we've again in other areas that we've worked um we know that our taxpayers you know bear a burden you know our especially our homeowners pay a larger burden um for anything that takes place in The District in terms of bonds our 2015 Bond um was originally um was was approved by voters and it was originally to add kindergarten classrooms I don't have this on here but to do some roof Replacements and then do security upgrades we worked really hard with our um uh with our um Architects and really hard with our contractors we actually extended that beyond that bond to about four different phases than what it was originally for so we did some roof replacement but then we also were able to replace the meow View and Aken Road roof we replaced the boiler at at uh akchen Road uh we partnered with the city of Farmington and the City of Lakeville to add the 2002nd street connection which was awesome we have another exit out of Farmington High School which is still sh shocking that there was only two ways out of that building but it's helped a lot um we were able to complete the renovation at the TLC so we Ed some long-term facility maintenance and some other things to do that we were able to finish doors upgrade that parking lot and then do the North Trail fire alarm so there's some big ticket items on there that the district and the community is not going to have to worry about for a long time because the only other option if if if we wouldn't have done this and that akan road boiler goes down you got to replace that it's either general fund dollars fund balance dollars or you go out and you ask for a bond we've also worked really close with lers um our financial management team and to to look and be strategic in our bond refunding and through that process we've saved um our taxpayers over $26 million since 2011 and for those that aren't familiar refunding bond is like refinancing your house we don't generate any additional Revenue we just decrease the amount of Interest so we don't have to taking as many taxes so we've worked really hard to be um to be good stewards of our taxpayers dollars and and try to live within our means for as long as as we can we are at a point where we we are going to have some hard decisions to be made uh the board made the decision in May to go out and place a question in November on the ballot and basically what that is it's a revoke and replace of the existing 2015 re referendum so you basically take away that Authority and you place it with a a larger amount so we are asking our community to increase that Revenue by $860 per pupil so to go from you know that 690 to about 1537 um and that would generate an additional $6 million in revenue for a total of $1 million when you you factor in so the five from the old the six from the new 11 total that'd be an increase on a home value of about $350,000 $426 per year $3 3550 now there's some that that that's Steep and we understand that that's a big ass but there is some other things which I'll get to in a second so Jason do you want to sorry I know you're on a roll I wonder if we want to just pause here because I think the modeling and the change in the approach that the finance committee undertook as part of helping the board land on this amount I think would be helpful context and Kyle I don't know if you want to just talk a little bit about the differ the different levels that we kind of looked at from like bare minimum maintaining status quo and just barely to kind of middle of the road to aspirational if we really were able to invest and do everything that we wanted to do that was a pretty thorough conversation earlier in the year I think one thing I would also preface that too is you know in all the conversation that Jason's got around the the the dollar amounts how money is spent on you know that we've got the dollars that we have to spend per student I think one thing that's sort of missing missing in your talk track Jason and this is something that's always impressed me is the amount of efficiency that you and your team drive by leveraging this investment to support shared goals across um across the district that's um I think an important thing you talk about living within means that's sort of a product of living within means but it's also maximizing the value for every dollar and I know that's been um a focus of yours um in terms of the referendum you know we had referendum uh question on the ballot last year uh this ended up being extension of that conversation I believe the amount that we were driving at in 2023 was ultimately going to drive to a higher dollar amount than this it was a phased in approach that took advantage of bond Capital bonds uh falling or being paid off over time would have truly minimized the direct impact um on on taxpayers delivering I think it was $9 million in the first two or three years then increased to a $13 million um overall net increase in operating Levy re Revenue those numbers are correct thank you um so when we went through this conversation it was how you know we there was always a conversation about what happened last year um lots of different things off your election complexity of that model easy for us to understand because we were close to it maybe not for a lot of others to understand kind of how that worked and phased in um so yeah we started to to Hannah's point we started taking taking a look at you know was it the dollar amount um there were different U levies that or sorry different models structures I don't remember what the lowest one but I think it was like a $6 million increase um all going all the way up to that same $13 million um increase and there was a couple of gaps but we we had a general conversation honestly um a big Focus was trying to ensure that we have the resources that the district needs to support our students it's not just about matching what other districts pay it's what's the cost of providing a good education in the city of firming um so that we're we're having that dollar but also continuing to remain very sensitive to the economic impact on I mean we're all property taxpayers too um trying to trying to be very sensitive to that and we landed um at a dollar amount a little less than the total amount we might have gotten had the referendum passed in 2023 but also one that I think at least secures uh the financial footing for the district uh for at least the foreseeable future there's still some caveats to that it depends on um you know the state and federal government and a few other things to kind of take place but this does I think again we've always focused on trying to do a balance trying to find the right balance between all the different stakeholders and this gets us there I think I asked answered more than you asked but let me know no that's good just to I'd like to just you know touch base too those that didn't study the previous referendum that we were we were asking for much I know Jason's going to go into how the debt falling off is going to have such a big impact and we we have a big ask initially for these first couple years with this incoming referendum um but that number does does uh look better in a couple years just as uh as he'll plot it out on the next slide but um the last referendum was really hard to understand because we took so much of that into account unless you spend a lot of time studying you know what that debt fall off meant we really tried to keep the impact to the taxpayers as stable as possible um in the new referendum it does have a bigger upfront cost that does fall off and that is a fear as we're going out for it but this one is a lot easier to understand the current referendum that we're going for you know was we kind of had four main asks when we were deciding between which level we were going to go out for and sort of the you know everything still on fire um still making a lot of cuts and then what we settled with was the one that maintained most services but just made up for the fact that we're getting in our funding increase at about a 2% but our costs are going up at a four to 5 per. so this was really just to close the gap and maintain Services we did consider you we called this The Six Million we did consider the 8 million and talked about that but for us it was you know we're very sensitive to the fact that this is an expensive Community to live in and we see comparisons between those uh surrounding communities and what their taxes are and we just didn't think that that was something fair that we could ask of our community even though we would have loved to have seen what that extra money could do for our district and and I'll just add I think you know the 2015 Levy I think the goal was to try to extend that to 10 years and I think we've gotten really close it's not quite going to be 10 but it it's going to be there um I think the goal with this would be a similar sort of thing I don't I don't think we want to be the haveit that other districts have of going out every two or three years and asking for small amounts here or there and it just seems like you're always asking so um that was part of the conversation too what do we think can get us extended out so we're not coming back immediately saying well you know you passed it but it was just a smaller amount it was a Band-Aid now we need more sort of a thing and we also are have certain parameters around how the question has to be worded on the ballot and so if you're the average citizen going to vote this year and you see you know increase Revenue by $860 per pupil unit to 1537 if you haven't been paying attention and nobody's talked to you about it you're going to go whoa what's going on why do they suddenly need all this and what are they going to do with it and that's why communication and I as well as support throughout the community at every opportunity we have to help people understand not just the tax impact that as Maggie described that The Upfront impact the first few years but then longterm over that time um the falloff but really why it's important um just to maintain what we are already offering so I'll I'll just kind of go through I mean I'm not going to go through this whole thing but for people that are interested so there's the document that kind of shows the range and the impact throughout all different property values and things like that and we did mention that we do have debt falling off so you know in the the couple of I'm sorry this is what it looks like when you go through and you revoke and then you add in no actually I got the wrong one sorry I lied I got I'm out of my thing this is debt falling off correct take it check this is a good we talked about yeah so again we are going to be paying off bonds at two different times throughout this which will decrease the tax impact on our community so this just shows what that debt looks like and falling off at a similar um you know similar range so that happens in uh 2728 and then uh 3132 so two different times and then this makes it a little bit easier for people to understand so we use the $350,000 home so for those to to what Hannah and Maggie were talking about so that initial investment for the T first two years if nothing changes for that 350,00 home would see an increase of $425 $426 on their property taxes per year that would be for two years then we have debt falling off for that 2728 actually for that same valued home it would be a decrease of $383 so the net would now become from the starting point a $43 increase that $43 increase would be for the next four years and then we have debt falling off again and this is a big big chunk this is the the end of it for us it would be uh on the same valued home $683 so now from the beginning all the way to the end the net would be minus 640 which would generate us an additional $6 million per year to get us to $1 million so it's a big ask upfront and this doesn't take into account any other changes that may take place in our community if we grow our tax base if we add commercial all this other good stuff there's other things that will impact that as well this is just right now everything stays the same so um it is a big ask at the front end of things but it we think it's again pretty strategic and and does give us the opportunity to to generate some additional Revenue by and also balancing some of those pieces on our our home owners um last two real quick so is there going back to the pie chart of the State versus the levy it's back a few slides too important is there any say just general guidance on where you want to land on State versus local Levy ratios I guess I I mean I don't I don't know if there's a specific ratio or anything something to say you're either not let me I mean a lot of it has to do with Community tolerance I mean I've heard other I've heard members from other boards give numbers that I just kind of you know go doey at and say I can't fathom asking our community for that um I don't think we're just not living in a time or place where that's even a feasible question and we can really compare a community I mean I'd be really excited to be at a 10% change I mean it's I mean your bar chart a couple slides later where you're showing all the other communities is kind of telling the same story I suppose it's just I think for us I mean if you're asking the wish I don't know if the wish is really to cut that pie chart up differently the wish from the state would really be to to dedicate funding to the mandates that you have because that would free up a significant amount of money in our general budget that we could dictate and direct other places um I fought with other superintendent about this because they were talking about you know when they were really looking to push money in do you take care of the special education cross subsidy or you put 2% we want it on the special cross subsidy because that is a bigger you know kind of impact on our budget than the 2% of year over year over year so we would really Advocate take care of those things and not get so caught up in in necessarily you know do we need to draw more from the community or more from the state take care of what they're already doing because that's money sitting there that we could use on other things if they would take care of that I'm TR thank you the last two things and again this is one of the things that we we we talked a little bit about last year but didn't go into specifics because there was a lot of things that we didn't know but things have become a lot clearer in terms of what's going to happen if the levy passes and if it doesn't pass so we do have to remember that if the levy passes it is going to bolster our financial you know stability one of the things that some of those Levy dollars are going to have to do is to buy down the deficit from us deficit spending so we're going to have to use some of the money for that we do believe that um that there will be enough money left over so we can maintain all the excellent programs experiences that we currently have and also invest in some very strategic areas one of them would be to lower that um and decrease learner to staff ratio which effectively decreases class size we know that that's uh something that our Community Values a lot and then we want to invest in learner achievement we've we've spent a lot of time and energy the last two years building our foundation around literacy so we're ready for the react we've actually to Kyle's Point we've pushed in with additional resources people to support that but we've done it without using general fund dollars so we've had other money that's come in that has been categorical that we have massage to be able to support literacy um one of the areas that is glaring is we really don't have any support for math we know that we need that and then Elementary enrichment now exactly what would all that look like we're not going to dive into that until after the election we know which direction that we have to go then there's the other side of the coin of what happens um you know if it doesn't pass and and we're looked at facing uh for to5 million deficit I don't think we would encourage our board to use any assigned or unassigned fund dollars to do that because that just grows a deficit we're going to have to make significant reductions and really they're they're they're likely to include but not limited to some significant things so we're going to have to look to reduce um our non-classroom instructional support there's lots of different areas that we would look at that that would potentially be administrative custodial um admin assistant anything out outside of the classroom we would definitely have to increase the larner staff ratio which would increase class sizes we would have to eliminate some very um successful and popular programs across our district one of those would be the mcaps program at Farmington High School um another program that our high school learners love and are part of is the DCTC 9917 CTE programs we would have to eliminate that we'd have to greatly reduce the Middle School elective opportunities so if you've had kids go through the middle school that middle school schedule is built around expanding elective opportunities it's also built around teams so that Learners share the same group of teachers and can build a community around that we would have to eliminate and reduce both of those through a schedule change we would have to eliminate fifth grade band we would have to increase our athletic fees and reduce uh non-conference travel and then you know we we went back and we talked about all the Green Space and all the building space that we uh currently have in our district um we rent out that space to outside user groups it's currently a losing proposition for us our board has made it a priority to slowly build in and increase those fees so that we can make it at least you know a net zero uh we've done that in a two-year process so that the outside user groups can plan on that increase we'd be looking at significant increases because we wouldn't be able to subsidize that anymore more we'd also probably have to look at limiting uh the use of space specific our outdoor spaces because of the time and energy it takes to maintain those fields it takes away from other things that our custodial uh you know group has to do and it's significantly expensive to do some of those things that are only for outside groups and not for our internal groups so it would be significant um it would drastically change um our core service and I believe if we had to you know come up with four or5 million in reductions the impact would be felt throughout the community for lots of different reasons so that's kind of where we're at we would dig deeper into this um you know through our normal budget process um beginning in November and December and and start to come up with specific plans um right around the holidays and in January so which is our current cycle because our fiscal year runs July 1st to June 30th just depend on the and I don't think enough can be said about the alignments and reductions that have already been made just one example I know when I came in when I was campaigning in my first term I heard a lot about communication can I want better communication from the schools and then when I get started and I learn that our Communications Department is one person and for districts of comparable size they have S to eight and we have one and so that's just one example of the ways that we've already reduced things like in the area of non-classroom support and as Jason's pointed out in previous discussions the the really difficult thing is when a lot of these things go away they never come back and so the preservation of things that are important to our community to our Learners can't be can't be overstated yeah the last big reductions were made prior to the 2015 Levy and so custodial um directors um uh admin assistants right those never came back so you're talking about at a time when we were probably you know um that during that time you know we were growing still so we we had less people to provide support during that time with more kids now when the levy passed we were able to lower our staffing ratio decreased and so up until um 22 23 when we we reduced it which actually brought it back into alignment with what is in board parameters we actually decrease that Staffing ratio so you know those are things that always come back but those non-instructional things and programs are really really difficult to come back because once they go away to bring them back it the cost is one and a half times or two and a half times to bring it up and that's kind kind of where we're at with things like the mcaps program I'll be honest with you we we are part of the menc Caps program and if anybody's had my my son went through it it's a very unique experience um the reason we got in it is because Lakeville went through budget cuts and that's one of the budget cuts that they made and at the time Jay Hogan said well we'll be a part of that you know and I'm sure if if we have to reduce it there'll be somebody that jumps into that as well and we probably won't get back into that but you know we'll we'll cross all those things um after November hits so you know I have I have one other question in a previous life I worked a little bit with school finance and so even though you have a 2% apply on the formula I mean we're still kind of considered a winner or a loser District relative to other districts aren't we because there's formulas or there's components of the formula that give more money to school districts which have more poverty or maybe outer state or all that kind of stuff so I mean it's even worse when you factor that part into it too isn't it yeah there I mean there's this is super high level but to your point Steve there's so many different things and different buckets that go into it that it's it's really difficult to kind of figure out exactly where all that stuff is coming from but to your point looking at your your neighbor district and saying well they got 2% and you got 2% it's not Apples to Apples all depends on the makeup it all depends on all sorts of other things that they have going on that 2% may be different because of the categoricals that they have that we don't have access to and they're generating additional Revenue it's it's super inequitable and it's hard to explain to people but ultimately you know I mean when we look across government agencies right wrong or different right government agencies are looking at anywhere between four and six or 8% in terms of increases that they're looking at we two I mean that's basically we two and just like your entities and you look at your your you know your costs go up four or 6% or whatever it is me when I go out to the buildings we do a quick math problem here's our here's our Revenue here's our expenses right it's balanced put 2% on the revenue put 4% on the expenses what happens you know and then you you you use uh you deficit spend for a year because that's what everybody wants you to do just use your assigned fund balance dollars you got it there use it for that okay we'll do that now take those numbers again apply the two and the four and next thing you know you went from a $2 million deficit to a $4 million deficit and it doesn't take very long for that to happen and so it goes back to the slide of all those amsd school districts going out and asking for Levy because they're trying at some point in time that 2% is going to run out that 4% is going to catch up and then you're on the downward slide again just every District it happens to and we're on the downward slide right now sorry all right I'm almost I'm almost more inclined Lynn to have you do your presentation and then get into the discussion okay because I I I think some of the things that we're going to talk about are going to lead into your stuff so our presentation is not nearly we really app before we go on you know I'm kind of going my thought and your thought put them together a little bit I mean generally speaking if you make a complaint to the state to ask you know you say we're underfunded and you ask them more I mean you're losing formula comment is basically saying if if they said we're going to give you so much more they're going to love you for that in their own way false right they're not going to take it out of an existing budget more or less so it's if you had to choose between whether you want the state to cover your deficit or the locals to cover deficit it's probably more efficient to have your local Levy cover because it's staying in the district at that point right but you have to understand our local Levy is set in statute so we have very limited leving Authority and anything above that we have to ask voters for understood understood I'm just saying it is more efficient to go through a through a levy though than it would be to ask for state if your if your voters are in to I only the only thing I would add to that the the hard part is is when the state's increasing your your run rate and you don't have any control over that so in the state's adding costs and your Levy Authority is flat it that's not that's less efficient we really just need the state to pay for the mandates and the costs that it's imposing on the district and that's why we've advocated so hard over the past two years with our state legislatures and our state legislatures through the Minnesota School Board Association and others I I don't disagree with what you're saying in an ideal model but the the challenge that the district all districts are really facing is the enormous amount of new costs being added through legislation and the political uh inability or lack of will to finance those things appropriately but I think level try to you know I'm just as frustrated about that I'm just saying it's it's they shouldn't make the Mandate if they can't pay for the kind of thing too you know kind of thing but having said it amen but look what they did for us gosh isn't that great I think the heart of your question though is that if the state is going to collect this pot from our taxpayers but sprinkle us back as smaller distribution than we would have collected in our ownest if we could have control of that I think that's where the heart of the question is and I get where you're coming from with it um but within that pot um what the state will allow sprinkled back and allow you to put in the buckets benefits other districts more than ours as well so I agree with Kyle I would just rather have control over where we can put that money within our buckets so that we can spend it as efficiently as possible we are one of the leanest districts that I uh see as I compare to friends in other districts and meet more people through Schoolboard that they are so hyper responsible with what they do with their money and transparent I can track this I can track everything they ask for with those bonds everything they ask for in that 2015 Levy everything where it went every single goal was met and the payback from refinancing those bonds literally just going back into then not having the taxpayers not collecting what they already were promised to us is such a huge benefit for our community I know that they would use this responsibly but Levy isn't the answer but it's our only solution right now and and as a point of clarity because I I know this has been talked about and I think this is often misinterpreted by the general public just not having um the full context of what a levy actually means you cannot fill your Gap without a levy correct uh yeah I'd say no I mean well I mean mathematically you can but yes to provide a fair and Equitable yeah we're not going to be able to generate additional Revenue correct without a voter approved the correct okay all right right that was very informative Jason thank you and I do want to say um chair mayor and councel and board thank you so much for this opportunity um this is the first time I've been here for three years that that we've all sat down together that I have been involved with so and I appreciate Jason and and the staff and how we all work together so well so thank you um when we sat down and started to think about what the agenda would be we really wanted to make sure that we could complement um the school district's message too because we know the levy is so important um for the students and and staff this year and making sure it it gets past but we thought it would be best to talk about our community vision and how we got there and our City priorities and specifically about development and we know we we have the same taxpayers um and any relief that we can give our taxpayers helps the district um you know you talked about that you get your funding through students and I just wanted to give you a few numbers that I just received today from the building department um in 23 in 2023 there is 87 single family homes built with an evaluation a little bit over 2 million and with manufactured and town homes there is 61 and a little over 11 million now as of uh today in 2024 the single family homes we have 61 and over uh almost $15 million of valuation and then the uh town home and manufacturer is 85 which is 18.4 million so that's where we're at so we are at the numbers that we were in 23 so we are increasing so with that um the mayor and Council Council has set four pillars for the city and the not any particular order but we have the quality business growth and retention Community engagement infrastructure support Employee Engagement culture and wellness the last couple years we've really focused on what do we have here at the city um you know the last 13 years the city has not been in the best Financial State and so you know when we make our decisions on projects that we want to do we really want to make sure that we're making educated decisions on real important right data and so we have spent the last two years figuring that out where we're at and the last piece of that information that we're going to be doing is putting together and we're in the final stages of it of putting together a financial long-term financial plan so that's some of the others so um the four pillars I already did I say those yet quality business growth and retention okay Community engagement infrastructure support and employee engagement culture and wellness but today what we're going to do is really focus on the quality business growth and retention um you know staff has been very bold in this one and we understand we need to diversify our tax base you know housing is great for the school district and as the mayor said you know it it's a going out of business if that's the only that we're doing within the city so we need to really create more commercial growth and so um Deanna is going to do a presentation um and show about you know how did we get our community vision and what our priorities are and how we're working towards that and what does that really mean for our tax base and again it's not Apples to Apples when we talk about the city tax base and and the school district tax base we've you know talked about that we're just going to give an example that we recently went through and got some numbers but we're not going to break it down between City and and School District we're going to talk about it as a whole so with that I'm going to turn it over to Deanna thank you Lynn um again I'm di Kennan I'm the community and economic development director here at the city it's my first opportunity to be in front of the school board and you know thank you Council for being here and supporting this but um I've been here for less than two years and when when I was you know brought into the mix one of the things that we talked about is who is Farmington today and who do we want to be and this is a really incredible community on so many different levels and it's made up of all these different components our people are are most important we have our businesses we have our Assets in our parks and in our schools and all of these kind of things and Collective L it has made a really wonderful place to live and to work and to raise children uh but it takes all of these different pieces and for us to continue to move towards like where who is it that we want to be while we maintain those things we need to understand that there's things that we can control and there's things that we can't control and so what can we control and how do we maximize that while still preserving all of these things that make this community wonderful we understand and we hear all the time that people love our Parks they love our Trails but they want things to be taken care of they love our neighborhoods but they want things to be taken care of so how do we do that and again our taxes are important to us and we want to share that burden and sort of what we say is kind of right size that tax base if we were to do nothing we know that we would be a residential community Community that's it um that's not what this community has said that they want to be and that's not what our Council has directed us to do so when I got here they had paused a update to our comprehensive plan because there was some staffing changes and I asked the question well why are we updating our comp plan midcycle we're required to update it every 10 years but why are we doing it kind of off cycle and what is it that we're trying to accomplish and there was a lot of huh that's a good question let's let's talk about that let's go out and ask our community and so we did we did this public engagement hopefully many of you participated and what we found is that um people love people is what it's about they you know it's our neighborhoods they're valued people love the natural resources um and people want us our residents want us to find Opportunities and pursue those that allow us to have this quality and sustainable growth that maintains the heart of what Farmington is but provides those opportunities to improve everything and to move us in a Direction Where We can have more opportunities for people to work here and we can support our tax base in a different way without putting that burden all on the residents and so what you see on the screen is the vision that came through the community input um and then you also see how it aligns with that Council priority that Lynn talked about which is this quality business growth again this idea of increasing the business opportunities creating more quality jobs supporting the businesses that are here how do we do all that um I want to say it's more than just getting a grocery store here and I say that and I kind of chuckle and I know having a grocery store here is super important to people um and from a Community Development perspective absolutely we would love to have that but it goes beyond just a grocery store in order to make a community um sustainable and vibrant so when we talk about what does it take and how you know what should we be looking at and what should we be going after not everything is going to be a fit for our community we also have to understand that our tactics and our approach have to be very unique to this community we cannot try to just copy what another Community is doing um and we also cannot expect that what's happening in a neighboring Community will will or should happen in our community so we often hear well why is Lakeville getting this why is Rosemont getting that why is some other community getting something well they have different assets that they can bring to the table like an interstate for one that's there um there's just differences so instead of us trying to constantly compare ourselves to what our neighbors are doing we need to focus in on what we have and what are our opportunities here here and how can we maximize those so we need to understand what is that what does the land ownership look like um if you look at a map it looks like there's tons of land available that development should be happening on that's not necessarily the case um none of that land is owned by the city so we have ownership there's land owners that have land rights um some of them want to develop some of them don't some of them have put their land into a state program that prevents development from happening on it um it's in this EG preserve it takes eight years to pull it out of that it's a tax benefit to that owner and it's their right to have their land into in that but we need to understand that we also need to understand what is our infrastructure availability John has done a great job going through in analyzing providing that data to our Council so that we truly understand what we have from an infrastructure perspective because we need that to serve the existing development and any future development and future planned growth of all types from residential to Industrial um we also need to understand what is our access to Workforce what is that Talent pipeline what um opportunities exist around that how can we develop Partnerships with our higher education learning institutions and how can we support the workforce needs of our existing employers and then who else is willing to partner with us to help make these vision Visions come to reality so all of these are inputs that we have to analyze and understand and then what does that lead us to um there are naturally going to be opportunities and there's naturally going to be constraints um we need to figure out what is our special sauce is sometimes what we like to call it and then focus on that so if you were to ask me today go out and get an employer that needs 2,000 people on day one that would be a waste of time energy and effort because that will not happen we do not have those kind of employees available within this region but if you go out tell me go get an employer that's going to hire two to 300 people um over some time that is doable and it won't negatively impact the existing industries that are here today so this I'm glad I see some people shaking their head I'm glad there's a level of understanding of that in this room but there's not always a level of understanding about that in our community um so by understanding what we have to work with we've called it our Baseline just this year and we're only in the summer of this year we've met with 19 different developers who are interested in pursuing projects here in our community this is just this year um we have had project announcements happen including an 880,000 foot industrial expansion with one of our existing Industries which is fantastic we've had multiple housing developments move forward including 168 unit apartment building that will it's a $42 million investment that's happening in this community that has now made it all the way through the entitlement process and is um dirt is moving out there these are great things that are happening and we also have two separate um environmental reviews underway that occupy well over 600 acres um that's being analyzed and reviewed for technology Parks or data centers so when we talk about the fact that certain types of developments will fit in the community and certain types of development um are not good fits for the community we from a city's perspective look at what kind of developments can have a positive tax impact um what kind of communities have the least amount then of impact on our service such as police fire you know roads and what what does that look like and the reality is a tech Park is um a type of development that's going to bring in the most taxes and have the least impact on community services and so we just wanted to provide because of course that tax number is important for us we just wanted to provide an example of what that means means if we were to potentially get a technology park development in this community the numbers that you're seeing are not numbers that we have made up and they're not numbers that have not been shown publicly before last December we were um working with a developer that was interested in doing a um Data Center and it happened to be on land outside of the city limits that would have required some annexation and so through that process says these numbers were shared publicly so that's why I'm comfortable showing them as an example so just putting that out there it's an example but this kind of project would [Music] um if we look at the 2025 column you can see that on a 315 acre parcel today's taxes these are projected as 2025 um that parcel generates 15,000 in taxes annually if a data center project were to happen this particular one that was being talked about last year they would have invested $75 million in year one and the new property taxes they would invest that $775,000 $75 million I'm sorry every year you can start to see what that means and what the differences so that second column shows that um the tax taxes would go from a no development scenario of $155,000 annually to $550,000 annually the next year with an additional $75 million investment it would go to 1.2 and then 1.875 and then 2.6 and 3.5 and over that um time period you can see that that cumulative tax impact is almost 10 million or 10 yeah just the difference um on one development on one 3155 acre parcel is that just the city's property tax payment we didn't break it down but generally a third of that would be to the city um and this type of development and I know that it's also um not fully understood by everybody is that this type of development there are incentives for data center developments um that the state has um developed because the state of Minnesota is trying to attract this type of development to our state understanding that they are high investment High tax generating um decent high quality jobs but not large numbers of jobs and they can take advantage of the weather that we have in the state so they have developed an incentive program that basically is a sales tax incentive not a property tax incentive so these are the property taxes that would be generated with this type of development um and then that would be distributed amongst the taxing jurisdictions to use to have good roads invest in Parks have good Trails um unrestricted unrestricted general fund dollars this is why something like this is um and we're fortunate this is why something like this is a good thing for our community and we're fortunate because we can't just go out and say yep we want a data center it takes a lot more than that you have to have the land but you also have to have the power the utility companies have to be able to provide the necessary power and we just happen to have a few sites in this community where those things come together and create an opportunity um these types of developments you won't find out in a Township or in a you know out in the country like um some people would like to see them because then they wouldn't have the public infrastructure that they need so it's a combination of all these things that come together and they just happen to come together in a couple locations here in our community these type of developments also have indirect benefits but actually end up being direct benefits and again I'm just focusing on sort of that data center type of development these types of developments not only pay their taxes but they want to invest in the communities and so I just pulled out information on some of the um four of the big hyperscalers so that you can start to see the Investments that they make within the communities that they locate in um The Meta example is direct from the staff report or the development agreement I think up in Rosemont that shows that um they're dedicating I can't read that from here 2252 million just in Parks that's what gets for their going to their to their Parks um the other ones that we have on there you just start seeing that how big that is the types of things that they give back to the communities a lot of these like you see the AWS they like to focus on education um they support the steam program um we've heard about these data center companies that build out computer labs and um pay for hockey arenas or pay for football stadiums um pay for parks by equipment for those communities that they're in they they give back and so again when we're looking at the type of development understanding understanding going back a couple slides understanding the land the aail availability of infrastructure the workforce what we can pursue and what we can't this type of development um checks a lot of those boxes and not only brings in this tax revenue but also the investment in the community and in other ways so that's all much different than Jason's presentation we just wanted to give one example there's a lot of different examples we can talk about and we can talk about again like how we're going about doing it but it's what I think really is important to understand is that it what we're doing fits within that Vision that came out through the community input process it fits within the goals of our Council and we're doing it in a way that takes um some people call it asset based Community Development you look at what you have in the community and you build from that um we are unique to farming tib we're not trying to be anybody else but we're trying to maximize the opportunities that do exist so with that I'm happy to answer any questions I can turn it back over to Lynn I wasn't uh I wasn't listed as a presenter but I wanted to add some context because there's more context to that because um as you look at you know and Jason you did an incredible job going through the the the data side the analytics of the district and the the enrollment and the the finances behind it um there's a lot of us you know sitting here a lot of us in the in the community that have been here for decades right um we remember what the community looked like when we were six uh 3,000 people 8,000 people right and sometimes the the thing that gets lost is when you move into a community that has 16 18,000 people you never knew what 195th was when it didn't go east to Highway 3 right when meal view wasn't there and it was a gravel road when the roundabouts didn't exist like you forget that because it happens so quick and even sitting here like this entire side of the room in 2019 it was Chief and I right so in the last five years we our our team has had this transition and I say that because when the high school was built when City Hall was built when the municipal buildings were or when the um Public Works building and the Fire Station 2 and and the police department were all built it all happened happened in the 2003 to 2009 window and there are a lot of assumptions that were made there's a lot of well educated decisions that some things materialize and some things didn't we we have that time in front of us now where some of the stuff is crashing together and it and it's not comfortable it makes for very uncomfortable conversations and it's things that people don't want to talk about out loud the city borrowed from the water fund to make payroll a decade and a half ago right it wasn't in the cards to do the things that we wanted to do in 2019 um our former Park and wreck director said in the last seven years we've added nine parks and we haven't hired one additional staff member right so like the city of Farmington runs very lean right like right we we we have to do this because this is just the this is the totality of the situation that we're in okay great how do we fix it right and that's why we're here because we we have to the two entities even though we represent you know 60% of the district's population right um we represent about 95% of the commercial industrial developable opportunities that help release the burden um that sits on the district right now and as our team has started to go through and look at our comprehensive plan and visioning yeah everything centered around pilot two decades ago right that was the natural north south and that's where it was going to happen well we have to decide are we going to go west or we going to go East what's the what's the private sector going to do are they going to follow Highway 3 and develop or they going to follow Flagstaff and develop we can't start investing uh money intelligently and looking for prospects to do that when land is tied up in egg preserve um there's restrictive covenants on property there's um no real indicator as to which way it's going to go and and we're not going to bet with our taxpayers dollars so we we had to stop and say look at our pavement we need to start making data driven decisions start doing pavement condition indexes John came in we started going through the streets and trails we started getting data to make sure that if we were going to go to the taxpayers and put 4% or 9% in front of them we needed our community to see their dollars at work when I started in we' had one reconstruction project we have seven this year we're already planning into 25 we have to figure out how our community is going to continue to build out because we've crossed that threshold we're 45% undeveloped we cannot get this wrong we can't go left when the private Market goes right we're screwed like we're it just it doesn't work um for context um our Capital Improvement plan over the next 10 years there approximately $50 million uh which also includes a a police expansion that's an exorbitant sum uh that cannot be put on the burden of the taxpayers we have to grow and and realize New Opportunities if we're going to take care of any of these issues um in our financial summary from 2010 to 2019 our residential tax capacity Grew From 14.6 million to 17.3 well in the same time our commercial industrial tax capacity Grew From 2.84 to 2.93 that Distortion got worse now from 2019 to 2023 residential Grew From 17.3 million to 26 million and our commercial industrial Grew From 2.93 to 3.96 our percentage our balance actually and part of this was postco the commercial deflation um commercial valuation were held down residential spiked so there's some factoring in there but uh our commercial industrial in 2010 represented uh 19.4% of our capacity in 23 it represented 15.2 so as you have a decline in birth rate we have a distortion and valuations um we have to find ways to continue to have our team go out and actively promote the benefits of the community and the school district is one of them it's it's our number one employer um it is a a high percentage of our residents that are employed there um and we know that we have to be a a better partner in sharing that information putting Visions on the same board and saying we've got to figure out a way to work through some of this and over the next couple years until we catch this slide here it it it's going to be uncomfortable for a lot of people in our community but the alternative is catastrophic like there's I we we save and save and save and we cut corners and we we go out and we get Grant dollars and and we find the most prudent way to spend our dollars um every one of our teams sitting here could go work somewhere else they could all go get a better wage somewhere else they haven't because they see the opportunities within this community they see the potential of what Farmington offers and that's their concession and we know that there's Educators in the district and there's and there's teammates that are doing the same thing and as soon as we all get on the same page and we all start sing in the same tune and we start quashing that narrative that Farmington sucks here's what you don't have here's what you can't build then move go somewhere else because there's a lot of people sitting here working every single day to solve these problems and I don't see a long list of line of people raising their hands offering their time to do it this is hard work these are complex math problems that you cannot just go to the economic development vending machine and pull the thing and drop the grocery store out you can't go and just pull the the state funding vending machine and drop your $1,800 per people but somebody's got to do it and so for us to sit down and hash through some of this it's uncomfortable but it's necessary and our and our residents elected and appointed us to to make those decisions so um there's that there's there's a lot more to it but um you know we we battle a lot of uh we B we have a lot of battles that are not always in the public right um the Met Council just dropped their 2050 plan and the missing mle housing bill that came out last year there's a lot of things that that are working against us right some of this stuff goes through land prices are going to go through the roof and it is going to make it even more difficult so like it goes beyond even just the council and and the school board it involves us going out and and proactively talking about the community the district the benefits the opportunities but we also need people that are willing to come to the table and be partners in that and we didn't decide to put the power lines in we didn't decide for met Council to put the the 42in sewer lines in and the collectors and there's a lot of things that happened before many of us sat here um but we have to deal with every single one of the opportunities that comes in front of us and and we go through our process you go through yours and we'll we'll get the solutions we we'll get it figured out but it ain't easy in the meantime so little context there too yeah I appreciate that you called that out because I think that unified commitment to our community both from a district and a city perspective is so important because if you're talking to any of our citizens they don't want to sacrifice parks for better schools they don't want to sacrifice band so that we can pay for these things we want one Community where we all can Thrive and where families can pay their bills comfortably look at opportunities to get connected with the people around them and ideally have work shop play close to home I know that's been um for the last 10 years that I've lived here the message that I've heard repeatedly and from the people who are involved and that represent us so I here's one that'll blow your mind the Department of Employment and economic development came in a few years ago the city of Farmington the city of Farmington Municipal boundary not the 024 address and ZIP code right um but our Municipal boundary we have 11,100 qualified workers or eligible workers the city of Farmington retains 800 of those jobs 103 leave the community we pick up about 2400 from outside communities we fall into that 31 to 3300 range but of the 103 that leave the city of Farmington for work 64% of them commute on average 26 minutes to work M where do you think they do their shopping outside of the community it's not what it was 20 years ago ago 20 years ago pilot NOA 160 didn't exist 22 years ago didn't exist um we have to find a way to continue to drive the right type of development mix because it's not the vending machine that says I want Target I want Culver I want this I want that it's large 80 plus acre Parcels that require tens of millions of dollars of investment that are naturally going to have a good blend with people willing to write the check and make the investment we have a good base of workers here um we have a very young demographic right we we we don't have a a rapidly aging demographic but our Workforce is prime for many Industries and people forget that like they forget that you know sometimes you have to leave the community to get dry cleaning it it it just is what it is like like there will be a time where we'll get more of that but um our Workforce is is quite sizable here um yeah so as it pertains to um oh here let's just go into general questions whether it's questions from the board or your team regarding um any City activities or more clarity or information on things that we can offer any questions from my peers to the to the board mayor and um uh chair I mean I think our meeting was scheduled till 7 correct or was it kind of we don't have an end time typically we we just didn't want to go till we'll go 10 o00 because I wanted to have the Kum by bonfire in my backyard so find out you know do we have enough time and we probably do go ahead no I I didn't know if there's a question behind that no no I only point that up cuz I thought it was still seven I just want to make sure if anybody was time sensitive with that no I I think when I mean when when we sat with with Jason and ly we wanted to make sure that you know we had a good understanding of what your guys's picture was what the ask was to the community I mean we even talked about it when we were going through our preliminary budget and where we wanted to be and and ultimately have thought about settling and um we wanted you to hear a little bit about you know what what we're working on and um some of the initiatives that we're taking and I mean more than anything be here for questions to be answered so we're more than happy to I mean which why we've got the team here so fire away not a question but more so a comment I mean there's if we've ever given the impression as a board that we're um not unbelievably thankful of the efforts that you guys are making to recruit the right type of businesses to our community and ultimately affect our payer base in the way that we desperately need it to grow as a school district you know we apologize if that has come across that way I think sometimes that um our community loves to voice negative opinions more so than positive so I would just like to make sure that I'm pointing out that we are thankful for this growth that you're doing and how critical it is not just for the community but for the school district um I liked getting Clarity on some of those uh pieces and understanding what more the five and tenure impact of that is and then of course with the knowledge of knowing how that trickles down to our district and giving me a little more hope that the growth we could see us investing in will benefit us too I don't have a question either just a general comment I think the grass is always greener someplace else and I think that's just sort of a natural human uh inclination around certain things I know what you're talking about in terms of the conversation some places around the city um I also know that we have that same issue when it comes to the school district because people look at I 96 and their endless amount of resources that they will never exhaust at least in my lifetime um and all the comparisons back and forth between whichever school district and what they offer there and how come you can't do this I we get all that and it's it's part of the human um condition to continually um kind of compare oneself to others their neighbors and cons um and and try to figure out how to get to the place where you have the amenities uh aligned with the things that you also want out of yourself I would also say you know my my wife and I we moved here in 2008 and that was off the cusp of the the real estate downturn and anybody who remembers what Apple Valley looked like at that time there were big holes uh where they had you talk about assumptions that are made by a city that are not fulfilled because of an externality and big chunks of Apple Valley were absolutely vacant uh weeded over Lots um all the way through I think just south of 42 from Pilot Knob to Cedar Avenue was pretty empty now it's full um and you talk about the discomfort uh what that probably looks like and feels like for the City development I mean I look I guess like I said I know the narratives but I can't help being really excited and optimistic both for the school district and the city um I understand about the concerns that some have about the types of Development coming in but we can't get there we can't get the amenities without some of those other footholds taking place you've Diversified the housing mix over the past five years here in Farmington um the industrial base will diversify some of those things are going to come quickly and just like Apple Valley filled in within about a quar with about four years uh in that same stretch I think there's going to be a lot of change here that yeah that brings uh makes people uncomfortable but it should also make people somewhat excited for what's possible um I don't know about the the last slide you shared and some of the things that meta or AWS have invested in those communities I think those are extra credit and hopefully we get them to but you know the city wants a lot of things I mean I hear we want a nice sheet we want want a pool we want lots of different things in the city of Farmington well until we get a tax base that supports those types of Investments we're not going to get them um and so I hope that uh all of us from a school district standpoint and from the city standpoint can continue to be thoughtful and collaborative and and listen to those concerns and address them and mitigate as much as can possibly be mitigated But ultimately I know that you know those on that side of the table and those on this side of the table are committed to doing what's making the best decisions that we can with the information we have right now for the benefit of our kids and for our communities and for everything else so well not a question just a my own context no very well said and appreciated and I I wanted to respond to the doctor's uh comment um I I in my time um I don't believe that there's ever I have not experienced a disconnect between the two bodies um or even I don't even want to use the term ill feelings or anything like that there's some compos some compositions that changed one being the Eda right um as we go up for boards and commissions you know our numbers tend to be less every year and so there's some restructuring but um no I mean overall we we just recognize we need we need to get back to the table and and do this more often um one of the action items that I was going to ask for we're not taking formal action but the request from uh the district is is um I would propose that we meet twice a year March and August if we can uh I know that there's a six-month offset in our fiscal calendars and uh March has us starting into our new calendar but you're getting ready to talk about your budget for the following year by August you're into your new fiscal calendar we're getting ready to set our preliminary Levy for the following year so those made sense but we'll let it the team take it and run with it from there but um you just continuing to pull and again I know you two meet and and communicate well and um I want to make sure that we feel like we're doing the same and we we see what's coming and um you know we're going to get asked questions about this Falls ballot in the in the levy like we're going to get asked questions and if there's anybody that needs to be talking positively about it and supporting it it needs to be the elected body that represents the city I mean especially 60% of your your District population right and uh we need to be considerate of you know what that means and what the um what the the negative impact is if it doesn't pass um we need to be supportive of it and as we have opportunities come up and and they're you know whether it's within our community or it's into other um townships or surrounding municipalities we want you guys to have a clear understanding of our vision and what we're trying to do amongst all of the things and we'd ask you know ask questions let us know how we can um help inform and and ultimately support some of the things that we're trying to do and I mean that's what's going to continue to make us a destination community so it's not a tall ask no well josua and I appreciate I know this um Josh shared this from the city council person perspective too but there was a lot of enthusiasm from the board to get together and collaborate in a different way in a more meaningful way than I think we have in the past you know I know we've talked about meetings that occurred before and we wanted to move from information exchange and sharing to really collaborating in a more authentic way that has an impact for our community so I think that this is a a good first step and then establishing that regular Cadence particularly tied to our scho planning can be a really positive move do other you have any any questions for them respective of any of the items or anything that is on your mind I you got to go first you can go I guess I don't have any questions I'll just say you know as a parent who's got two kids who have been touched by these cuts the last few years both of them um you know the gifted and talented multi-age these things it's I appreciate what you guys are doing I understand they're hard asks but I fully support what you guys are doing and I hope you're what do I say I hope it passes I guess thanks ni you got my full support on that one appreciate that yeah I was going to comment about the levy as well I um you know this will be my first year without a direct impact you would say you know my um one of you gave my daughter her a diploma this year I'm not sure which one have to look back at the pictures but um he was crying as out when it happened well I might have been and and then of course she was like oh my gosh this is happening and she doesn't remember um but my point being I'm still invested in the community just as much as I was you know the previous 15 20 years um you know I've seen in different communities I used to live in district 196 and there was you know unfortunately um my experience is that you you unfortunately kind of need to push that pain button I think and it's uncomfortable to do that um but you know when a levy doesn't pass and I know how important it is for communities to have that component um as part of your overall funding you know it it just creates a negativity that just kind of goes across the whole community um so I think you know Josh and the mayor pointed this out I mean I think you know um you know whatever we can do to help you out um you know just in our own conversations with others I would just you know encourage you to really put out you know you you can put out as much as you want to and it's up to the resident ultimately listen right but um you know just keep putting it out there trying to get folks to listen and do the you know and hopefully we see a good result um the other the other piece I did want to point out you know I know that we spent a lot of time talking about the proposed data center Parks the reality is we're still at the very beginning stages of it um so while we're talking about you know here's what we expect here's what could happen I mean these are in you know the a environmental review part they have not even hit the Planning Commission for initial discussion so to to the extent that there's anybody from the public watching you know there's everything is very out in the open and the first place that'll go to after kind of the environmental part is to our Planning Commission um that'll probably be a period of time and then it would come to the city council so um I just want to point that part out yeah I really appreciate that you called out Steve just the overall benefit to the community that a school district provides for every everyone not just those who have Learners directly in cor um I I think that's so important to highlight and you can look at the tangibles from rental space or the ways that high school um you know seniors are connected back to providing um services and support through volunteerism in the community but really it it is so important for all of us so I just really appreciate that you called that out yeah you comments or questions uh because it's on our agenda uh anything update from you nothing tonight thanks nothing any committee updates right we got nothing else one other thing that I wanted to add um when we're talking about the support and the importance of talking with our community members I think it can't be overstated the importance of the conversations like Steve mention because last year I know all of us talked to as many people as we could and Then followed up with people after who said I didn't know there was I didn't know there was a referendum or a levy and we said well you know where would I have heard about it and we said well we've been talking about it at the board for months but the superintendent sent emails directly to families principales put it in newsletters um it was a direct mailing to everyone's home there was a direct mailing to everyone's home um and one of the things people said said well I didn't see any yard signs I see yard signs I mean that was a that's a tangible thing that people didn't see and we talked about as a district in terms of cost for those types of things it doesn't make a lot of sense and the people that did vote who shared feedback with us said the reason they did is because someone they cared about whether it was a teacher a friend a colleague a neighbor told them this is on the ballot it's really important that you get out and vote for this and so um just appreciate your support the opportunity that you see with your friends colleagues neighbors to talk about it to help raise awareness recognizing that we can do everything we have planned through our communication plans I don't even remember how many Town Halls you did last year 11 12 you know there there wasn't a high turn out people are just busy living their lives so the more that we can on an individual basis talk about that with people the the higher chance we have of a voter turnout um in support of it and not just um Hannah's point but we as a district can't really campaign in favor of the levy so um that has to be worded very carefully we do have some great non-biased information most of which was similar which was what was shared in this meeting but the reason that there aren't you know vote Yes signs in every yard is because we as a district can't use funds to purchase those um that would have to come from private groups MH good I was going to make that exact same point yeah good clarification yeah you can't campaign but what we can say is the very specific cuts that were outlined would have a extremely detrimental impact to many people in various ways across the community uh which ultimately uh hurts the Greater Community area and that isn't mutually exclusive to the city of Farmington that trickles into the city of Empire CER Rock Eureka Lakeville it trickles into all of it because you know Jason to your point like if if you if you have to increase your fees on green space that's the Youth Association fill in the blank right which you add that on top of a family who now a teacher also lost their job now that kid comes out of the program oh by the way the other kid was in ban going from fourth to fifth or fourth fourth to fifth grade and wanted to try and Bann like that is catastrophic like that is why reasons that is a major reason why people leave communities because they they just cannot uh sustain the burden of those types of impacts so residents need to understand that that's real and that and that affects our ability to go out and actively promote the city of farm and all the great reasons why people want to come here and invest here so uh we can advocate for it and we will tell people to say I will at least tell people to say yes as my peers have previously indicated so you know I'm going to I'm going to add one additional thought too so um I don't want to make it too political per se but um it might be important to have our two bodies meet with our soon to be you know new elected officials this coming year um from our area to reinforce the importance of um the school funding component and you know both the mandates that you see the mandates that we see and the impact and they need to hear from us directly that you know look you can put all your fancy headlines of oh look what we did you know we're going to campaign cuz the stuff they're going to be campaigning on is the stuff that we have to figure out a way to pay for and then that paid for is going to impact the 25,000 people that live in this community and the other folks that live in your community and you know I don't care which political party is in charge as it relates to that part of it but the reality is you know the mandates and I've talked to other people about this I mean any type of mandate that's unfunded um and there was a heck of a lot over the past two years that that hurts all of us and you know just makes it really challenging to do something with our budget and your budget so to the extent that maybe a small group of folks from each of our bodies can meet with our our incoming elected officials and kind of sit down and we agree on a shared policy position that we send a united front saying here's what we support you know and we're going to be watching you to hold you accountable for it yeah that could be an opportunity for a joint meeting because Kyle and Jason organized last year where our Representatives did come to a meeting of the school board um so Senator Duckworth was there our representatives were and they kind of laid out a preview of the legislative session for us what they thought was up coming and gave us an opportunity to give feedback so maybe that's something else we could add our work on together yeah yep I'm I'm all for it we we talk legislative priorities and trying to get um further out in front of it um I won't go any deeper I'll leave that one sit there for a minute all right but yeah we're on the same page all right if we have uh you if you want to adjourn first sounds good um if there's nothing else seeking a motion to adjourn motion to adjourn at 7: : 32 p.m. second motion by Christensen second by storle all those in favor I all right any motion to adjourn uh motion to adjourn at 7:32 and 20 seconds motion by Steve second by nio in favor say I I I we're adjourned at 7:32 [Music] [Music] [Music]