##VIDEO ID:7KXCBJEJLRM## there can you hear me Liz okay great okay um is yes it is it is PR otherwise we not have minutes we'll be good all right calling this meeting order U please meeting is called forance theis of the open public meetings law this meeting December 9 2024 was included inist meeting notice sent to the Hun County Democrat and Courier news on January 3 2024 posted on the bulletin board at bur Hall on that date and has remained continuously posted as required in addition a copy of this notice is and has been available to the public and is on file in the office of the burough clerk um just uh The public's knowledge um our clerk is out sick tonight so um please bear with us for any technical difficulties because cilman love it is running our zoom and our attorney uh councilman Council Chris crini is going to be acting as uh clerk so uh call the roll call councilwoman Ard here councilwoman Saro here Council manlet here council president L here councilman Barker here vice president Rosetti here I see her she here oh mayor car here thank you um we don't have a presentation tonight um I did invite go hunter to come and talk to us about those articulating flashing lights um the councilman will it suggested we look at for um parts of town but he's out too so uh that's not happening tonight so hopefully in January um we'll get some uh information on that um just a couple of things for me um regarding um the traffic and the parking um issues in town um we've um still not heard back from the do about extending the left turn light on 31 um to Church Street to get out of town uh hopefully they're going to be responsive and give us the answer we want which is that they'll extend that length of time for people make that left turn um and we do have parking committee several parking committee meetings in the month of December to look at kiosks for potentially going back to um meter parking in certain parts of town particularly around the Main Street area when the hotel project opens up um but we're baiting any of that over the next couple of weeks January no de January 9th oh was that really I thought it was December December 15th could be well I mean yeah sub committee anyway but yeah I'll make sure something get December sorry if I'm wrong no sorry if I interrupted I no that's okay miss something no no um I just do with this one um and um we do have an executive session tonight with a couple of items in it that are list uh and I just you know want to take this opportunity to thank um councilwoman Rosetti it has been an absolute pleasure serving you you for the last few years you have been um thoughtful and wise and has asked you know Wonderful questions and um you know you uh you're gonna be really missed I'm going to certainly miss you a lot and um it's just just wanted to say thank you for your threee service Liz and we hope we see you in the future and you know get back into to uh into public service at some point Thank You mayor I appreciate that thank you we can't hear you but that's okay I expect [Laughter] your coming to the rescue I have no idea no idea could you say something can you hear me testing testing one two all right thank you mayor I appreciate that a lot what you said thank you I sincerely mean it I'm G to miss you you've been just so um okay council president Wong hi good evening uh few items here uh fire department responded to 25 calls for service in the month of November Department's happy to report that there was only three incidents of unauthorized burning during the open burn B put in effect by the NJ ffs the forest fire service the ban was lifted on November 21st the department ass set for the safety of the residents and Community those who wish to have Rec Rec Rec ational fires in their yards follow the guidelines provided by NJ ffs and only burn clean drywood the burning of leaves and other yard waste is prohibited those using commercially purchased fire pits and Chimas use them in accordance with the instructions F and the fire department Wishes the residents a safe and happy holiday got a SE several OEM items uh some holiday safety tips um as a holiday season progresses OEM encourages residents to prioritize uh safety particularly in in regards to Christmas trees and decorations uh and just to consider Christmas tree fire safety select a fresh tree and water it daily keep the tree at least three feet from a heat Source like a fireplace or a candle use only indoor rated lights and inspect them for damage turn off lights before leaving home or going to bed dispose of the tree promptly after the holiday as dry trees pose a fire risk general safety tips test your smoke alarms and carbon oxide detectors avoid overloading electrical outlets and keep walk clear decorations to prevent tripping and Hazard recognition of our C volunteers the O would like to commend this volunteers for their outstanding dedication over the past two weeks C members contributed over 100 hours of service during the Turkey Trot event and 100 and holiday parade by assisting with pre-event planning setup and event operations these events would not have been as successful without their hard work professionalism their commitment to Public Safety is invaluable and the OEM deeply appreciates their contributions to the community December's disaster preparation uh month and that means that with winter weather on the horizon it's recommended that you update emergency kits with Essentials like blankets flashlights batteries non- perishable food and water winterizer vehicles and emergency supplies including a snow brush and an ice scraper review family emergency plans to ensure Readiness for power adages or severe weather sign for local emergency alerts and stay informed on the bur website the squad uh November statistics and activity um basically the squad had 287 calls remember this is a shared service with r Township but occasionally with other townships and Burrows um so 69 in the Flemington burrow just so know that's November alone and just some percentages uh comparison points between last year uh November of 2023 um responses are up 11% um contact has been made with uh 260 patients at past month so that's up 17.6% from November of 2023 208 of those patients were transported to transported I'm sorry to medical facilities by the squad ambulance this is up 18.8% from November of 2023 during November the rescue squad uh and Health Quest hosted the6 annual res rescue truck pull event R Township this year's truck pulled uh consisted of 12 teams and was the best attended ever since its exception Rescue Squad participated inun County Technical rescue task force monthly drill in Lambertville uh the squad's EMS drill for November was on a firefighter medical emergencies eight members completed their uh 12-hour grain bin rescue class and five members completed the 32-hour structural collapse of rescue operations level class about 15 Rescue Squad members participated in annual Thanksgiving Eve standby in work detail the next morning provided EMS standby for the Thanksgiving day Turkey Trot in Flemington burrow with 5es uh the rescue spot also responded to a structured buyer out in rington that's my report thank you it's interesting because um FL bur every time we give a report on Squad we were 25% of the calls were consistently 25% of the calls but I'm just curious you know R Township has opened up some very large housing complexes in the last two years so I just just not this is just a rhetorical question not you know about the percentage of your increase in calls if it's somewhere near the percentage of increas population in r in Township because they've opened up you know the two big Willow sites the big apartment complex over by PetSmart a big apartment complex at Health quests all within the last couple of years so um you I don't think it's that they're I know they're busier but it could be population driven as well as just you know any just my thoughts thanks uh Council vice president resetti thanks mayor um so the last shade tree meeting of the year is this Wednesday the 11th at 7 pm um last I've heard from them I hopefully I'll get an update this Wednesday but um they did submit their Community forestry plan for review so we're progressing along with all that they're just waiting for feedback from the state um and then yeah I just want to take a minute to thank everyone um you know you've all been a pleasure to work with I've learned a lot lot with um you know all the different different aspects of being in government here I want to take a moment just to thank both all the elected officials the burough employees all the volunteers on the various commissions and committees I've I've assisted with as well and um you know just to encourage everyone else out there who might be listening to really get involved because you know it's a lot of work um there's a lot that goes on that you know you don't realize until you're in it so just involvement is the key here but thank you all I I sincerely mean that I all of you greatly thank you very much Liz um uh councilman L uh HPC meeting this month uh was moved since our typical meeting date I believe would have been on Christmas we have moved it to December 18th um on the topic of the rrfbs uh I originally investigated those in regards to the smaller Main Street Circle um I'd asked somebody at the do what the process was and what the cost estimate would be and they told me an insane number and I don't know if I misunderstood or what happened was that no it's number yeah um but I I didn't investigate any further I don't know if you guys look because I know it's a different like process with working with the state directly um I would simply ask that somebody investigate how that is and maybe get a little more information about the lights like the the the rfbs the the flashing pedestrian what I when I talked to go 100 in so um our traffic consultant gave me an invoice that he did for another municipality the hardwired in uh $36,500 a piece um go hund said there is a solar version that runs somewhere between five and 10,000 and they have been able to get some grants for some municipalities in 100 for these and um um but town has had them up now for two years the solar ones so they were going to reach out to the chief of police in Clinton town for us to find out what their experience has been you know during um snow events when the solar panels are covered up and um you know rain events where it might be dark for a few days with clouds so they're going to do a full report for us when they come in in January I was specifically talking about um like on uh like State highways like the Main Street Circle right is governed by the partially governed by the corre and working with them specifically to put things well on that that was if you ask me personally where I think it Meed the most probably over there every 12 I I've walked across a circle one time that was a miserable experience I can't imagine having to do that every day to get to your job um and I think it's you know especially for right there it's more of a matter of time not like if but when are you talking about trying to across the street yeah like no no no um on the circle on Main Street like going over towards rville St when I see people do it it just like well I can I can ask J to take a look and and you know and um put something you know like the left turn light u letter he had kinding suggestions in that letter to the do that I signed so um you know he he speaks their language so maybe he can put something together for them to study it or look at it well thank you um that's all I have for that but um as for animal control got the report today only three calls total for the last month which I think is the lowest number I've seen this year I just want to say I think my first year here with animal control has been resounding success based on these numbers and I'd like to thank all the incredible work from every preacher and Critter any um yeah I guess this is the end of my first year on Council here and I just want to say been been pleasure great opportunity wonderful time up here and of course like everybody else said thank you very much Liz for all the incredible work you've done over the years uh for this town and for this Council and that's it thank you councilman councilman Parker yeah just a couple things but before I start I just want to address you know when something said and I and it bothers me for a period of time I had to get off my PL so the last meeting we had during public open s someone used the word and saying that Council should have the courage to do something and I I just that stuck in my in my call for the longest time here's what I'm going to say to that the mere fact that everybody sits up here takes a lot of Courage the mere fact that people run for an office takes a lot of Courage the mere fact that we can disag with that the mere fact that if we don't agree to move something forward or we agree to move something takes courage so when someone says that it takes have the courage to do something I pushed right very hard see I believe in teaching people how to treat me first of all so that to me that was a total insult and I will not I will protect this body this governed body at all possible cost you will not disrespect this body you will not respect this body by using the word Curt so I I would anticipate that someone owes us an apology but of course that would take courage to do that so I wouldn't expect I'm not going to expect that to happen so moving forward I'm gonna I just have to put that there because I just think we're not going to start of 2025 with disrespecting this concept that's just not going to happen and I will always speak up when it happens so that said I want to move on to the um police report uh couple of things for the police that I want to say I am you know I keep saying I'm extremely proud of how they have evolved and they have truly evolved with community policing they have had several events including let get to my notes um including something in November for they they raised they raised $570 for um No Shave of to responsive cancer um I thought that was remarkable that they could do that um they met at cing with the cop um at Fleming Castle in November um they also did something with United Way at the Flemington arms complex to talk about things like parking prevention of crime Mo crime motor vehicle law juvenile issues um and then the other thing that they've done is they've done some things at single Market where they uh that with with some of the um uh the residents and business owners at single so my pet my passion and my pet peeve was that I just wanted the police to get involved with the community and they have done so well at getting that done they've done so well and I'm very very proud of them um they've also been a busy this this um this past month they have 54 Criminal investigations going on some of which included um DWIs burglary thefts we did have a death by overdose um a couple of weeks ago um there's been some they would call terroristic that threats um some shoplifting going on so they've been quite busy they've had about 14 arrests I think 13 arrests excuse me 13 arrests so it it just I think the more that they're out in the community I think the more they're beginning to to to see what's going on and you're able to tackle those things so again I take my hat off to them I think they've done a really really good job at turning around and being visible um to that end Liz again I you know what I admire most about you is that you sit back and you're very much a deep thinker so you just sit back and and digest everything and then come out with the like a different perspective and I think for me that I I I admire that because not everybody can do that I really really admire that I am going to miss you um again I do have something for your daughter I will drop it off before Christmas and I wish you luck thank you Tony thank you thank you I um I'm going to take the courage to disagree with you regarding the word courage I did not take it as an offense to the I did it I don't care how you took it I did fine I did and I said I'm going to take Courage by saying this so don't bark down my throat because I didn't feel that the person was meaning it in a disparaging way and I will defend anybody's freedom of speech under the first amendment I don't have a problem with speech I have a problem with insulting people that means you need to choose your words dise Council I did not it was my thing so I am saying this you choose your words carefully because words hurt so choose your I don't care who it is you have the freedom of speech but you do not have the freedom of speech not to choose your words carefully and if I felt insulted then I'm insulted whether you disagree with that or not it doesn't really matter it's me I'm talking about me that's what I'm talking about but you made a statement about you're not going to allow to get 2025 off in that same foot I'm not I do take take to that because do that Council okay first because I will forget I would like to wish everybody a nice holiday whatever it is that you celebrate and a Happy New Year and we'll see you again next year um on that note it's time for goodbye um our library director Sean Arington is uh retiring at the end of this year and the library board selected a new director be starting on January and hopefully we'll be able to introduce that person very early year the team um Liz I knew you a little bit for Council working and doing activism in the community and in 2020 I know you ran and I told you that you um my perception of you is you would fall across po would covered broken glass for your daughter and you would and I have that same warmth and thought of you for this community thank you so much for the time given for the volunteerism and please don't go away you uh have an absolute pleasure to know what is it now of six seven years um and I've just always been impressed with you and I'm so happy that we got to have you the service Community which is wonderful thank you you're welcome and uh that's really that's it so thank you LZ thank you thank you all seriously and I'll be here I won't be here every every Monday meeting but I will be in town and around and if you need help give me a call you'll know how to get me give us a hard time if necessary you know I like it I like questions thank you um thank you um so I think I'll start with just thanking um the Chamber of Commerce since nobody's done that yet um for the prey there was just a lot of smiles and Community Spirit on Saturday night um walking down the street so I saw a lot of of happy people there so I want to thank the chamber for that I want to also thank the DPW um I know somebody else mentioned a couple others so I'll I'll call them out as well um in particular I know that they helped out a couple um residents with with uh just trying to get their their car in the right place and I just want to thank them all for the cleanup afterwards and everything um I also want to mention the FCP I I uh I went to the Santa um Bazaar over the weekend and shopped and um it was a best of time there too so um thank you for setting that up I think that's I know it's only the second annual one but I think that um we'll have a a lot of success um so Sam sluming um we do have our last U monthly openhouse this Saturday um Sam slam.org is the website for more information um but definitely uh stop by and say hello there they're always happy to give a tour that want us as you're running around town shopping what are the hours please um it's it's one I one o' whens at one o'clock it's Saturday this Saturday December 14th five vanel um they do every month is at the same uh time um schools uh December 19th the next frsb Board of Ed meeting 700 p.m. at JP case um December 16th is the next High School um Board of Ed meeting that's F the IMC building um and that's a little earlier than normal it's at 6:30 um they're having um some presentations uh to some students that have um achieved some um important Milestones so um that it would be great to uh check out um this week you know that our high school has a lot of great um um Arts events there is the coral holiday Coral concert um December 11th 7 7.m in the auditorium and um December 13th this Friday is the sespan holiday presentation also 7.m but that is at the Little Theater um so if you haven't had an opportunity to go and check out our talented um young ladies of women in the um Arts over at the high school I encourage you to get some all beer and go check it out um Susan one question is that is that the coral thing is that high school that's the High School cor Coral holiday concert 7 P.M December 11 at in the auditorium okay so that's the main entrance to building for those that are not aware um let's see and uh finally I want to thank Liz I know everybody's already said a lot of nice things um was a real pleasure working with you especially the last um year um plus last two years and um you've always led by example and you've handled yourself with Amazing Grace and professionalism I've always admired your quiet leadership I know you and I have had a lot of good good chats over the last two years and and I really appreciate um your your friendship as well and I know that you did promise um you you and I worked uh really hard on those that uh that Parks Grant and I know that you promised to continue to help out wherever needed and you were instrumental in getting um in helping to get that Grant um application in so I am forever grateful and looking forward to working with you in the future and any capacity that you can uh you can provide because you are you're not going to let you get away that easy thank you Susan and eny that's it thank you okay we're at the first public comment session anybody wishing to uh speak to the Council on comment on any matter um please come to the microphone if it's regarding the public hearing on the my speak traffic lights and the Bloomfield Avenue traffic light please hold those comments until the public hearing need your name address for the record spell your last name please for the record and you have three minutes uh Kyle daras d o r emus I'll keep it brief um here on behalf of CA we hosted the turkey Tri this past Thanksgiving right I am the new hire as Michael would call me I'm the boots on the ground to use his phraseology but I'm here to express my thanks to not only the council but the various organizations within the Flemington and raron townships that helped us get this event off without a hitch EMS OEM Flemington PD raron PD uh DPW Jesse Department of Public Works is a lifesaver and we I we'll just leave it at that the Women's Club of Flemington very helpful as well again I would I would like to thank all the council members for was the quickest approval of of a agenda item I think I've ever seen so that was uh very happy to see that I do appreciate as I said new hire so this is my first experience with this Council and I have nothing but uh nothing but kind words so thank you any the seven of us will ever be any of the people running in a quick [Laughter] approval I ran but I'm not going to tell you my time I saw you I saw you go past my house right you're very welcome thank you thank you so much thank you for saying those nice words about um our staff of the DPW think they're all Treasures absolutely I will probably see you in about uh about a year okay really appreciate you were wearing a turkey hat and a CH oh they tried to get me to wear the suit but that would have been perfect come back in about 10 months we don't want it to be last minut thank you thank you anybody else in the public just a quick question come on up to Mike we need your name and address and spell your Michael no N M Street yeah you just said something about the traffic lights on um M Street so we were here tonight talk about hopefully in public session stop signs is that word is that the same thing did I say traffic lights accident yeah I me the stop signs so that's a public hearing okay and when would that be it's pretty soon because it's a very short agenda oh so it's tonight oh yeah public heing today fine I just want to make sure that thank you uh anybody else three minutes Robin seriously clear nice to see you Tobe every single week yes I know it's only three minutes so somebody tell me when three minutes is up because I'll be talking and I'm happy to stop at three minutes so I just wanted to uh say we're we've completed I think eight holiday events um they've all been really wonderful our holiday trolley was greatly successful and it's a 28 seat trolley we go around and around and around so I think we've had um probably about 300 people through the Trolley system um we've got it down to a science it takes us about a half an hour to get around town and this last event we actually had Santa at the shops of Flemington they have a new management company they've been sponsoring a lot of things we got a nice note from the fire department thanking them for paying the fire department to give free hot dogs there was free pizza there was uh free crafts and a whole room set up with kids and entertainment it was awesome so you know it's really nice to uh be working in all the three business districts and to that end this year we changed our holiday passport I'm leaving them with you it used to be 10 receipts to win $500 now it's three receipts one from each of our business areas so that people get the list and just we we've eliminated some services like dentists because generally that's not a gift um and focused on retail so on Main Street there's 70 businesses included on stangle in the stangle Arts and Cultural District there's 45 businesses included and up at the shops and at the Circle highway district there are a total of 78 businesses so we have so there's an even number close to an even number of retail from Main Street and the highway district a smaller number over at the Sangle area because it is smaller but all in all it's about 200 businesses so we do really have a depth of retail businesses we've already gotten a bunch of passports back because this one in three each business area seems to be working well and we're excited about that so I'm going to leave a bunch of these things here for everyone did that start it started uh Black Friday and we go until January 5th because sometimes people wait until after the holidays to shop how do people find out um it's on there's passports in it in most of the stores that are participating they're always available at our events they'll be available here and there's an online option so if you want to just download this one sheet to make it easy you can print one from home you don't even need to um fill out the form you can just send us an email on the love Clemington website yes and we do we do ask for receipts but people can redact any um important information that they don't want to share with us um and we do see that there are people who you know we don't discriminate high or low in terms of spending but there are people who are buying diamond at Saunders jewelry and and a cup of coffee you know at Dunkin Donuts and because we we need to embrace all of our businesses three minutes all right great we have two more Santa events coming up and uh we hope to see you Thursday night at the SI and stroll at stangle because it's a big holiday party and we have dance performances and all kinds of thank you thank you okay um anybody else from the public not on the public he okay approval minutes regular session November 12 2024 there a motion move a second uh any changes since Carla's not been in today okay um all in favor any oppos executive session November 12th 2024 I know the council woman angelart has a amend an edit F yeah I just found a typo we need to substitute the word Captiva for the word cardal in thees I that was just the take okay anybody else have a motion to approve the November 12th deut session long is there a second favor any opposed all right consent agenda resolution 2024 160 declaring one vehicle Surplus and authorizing donating the vehicle to the Flemington or first aid Rescue Squad and resolution 2024 161 resolution authorizing the closure of certain streets for the holiday parade on December 7th yes this is retroactive um we remembered to do CA but did not closures uh can I have a motion does anybody want anything off of consent I question sure so um 20 24 160 declaring one vehicle Surplus what what what drives that decision to say that it was Surplus that we purchased something else no it's usually it's their vehicles that are just been driven into the ground too much mileage really can't be affordably fixed any longer and uh generally the DPW takes a look at it our mechanic takes a look at it and says you know this is not worth fixing anymore okay that's fine okay uh can I have a motion to approve the consent agenda move is there second second s second any other question roll call please excuse me Council art no councilman yes councilman L yes council president long yes Council Parker yes Council vice president resti probably I'm sorry I should have mentioned this before you asked the these vehicles they use in like demonstrations or training they use like the jaws of life on so just use for training purposes okay thank you sorry I'm I'm sitting here mil we have no we have no introduction of ordinance we do one public hearing tonight 24-24 ordinance amending chapter 7A traffic schedules to create forway stop intersections at M Street and stangle M Street and Park Avenue and Broad Street and Bloomfield Avenue can I have a motion to open up to the public move is there a second all in favor public hearing is now open to the public anybody wishing to speak on please come the microphone uh I need your name and your address pleas your Lon Michael Noak NB AK 35 M Street and thank you mayor and councel to giv me an opportunity to express concerns that I have with the stop sign situation on that's planned I guess on mine Street um I kind of have a question how how did this subject how did we get to where we are with this is it it was it citizens complaints or what's driving so we had a number of citizens coming in complaining we had um an alleged dog on a leash hit in one of the intersections being crossed by their owner we have um also somebody else who said they were swiped by a car um as well we had our traffic consultant look at all of M Street for traffic calming the police have been out with um surveying uh that little sign that has the speed limits people are doing actually it's collecting data it's been moving around town checking speed limits that people are doing and M Street has been found to be egregious um in speeding in town um more than two times the posted speed limit is the average speed they've done ticket blitzes um given out hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of tickets and for speeding and it is not uh curtailed to speeding on M Street At All by the way nobody who's actually a burough of Flemington resident has gotten a speeding ticket on my street to my knowledge as of today um but even the ticket for hasn't stopped it and we did send our traffic consultant out to look at the entire Road and what we could do to protect our pedestrians uh as well as our bicyclists and uh what he recommended to us was the two um Allway I'm calling them Allway because they're actually three-way not four-way but our ordinance is four-way um which is the code that it's under so he recommended three always stops um to be done immediately and then um he also recommended these reticulating flashing um lights for crosswall that people push the button and it flashes like violently um bright white lights for people to stop while people are crossing the street in the future when we have the money to put those up because they're expenses they're hardwired they're over $36,000 and solar they're almost they're somewhere between five and 10 we don't have a price on that yet um but he recommended those on Park Avenue in three other locations um so the Allway stops he recommended are the stangle and um because of the amount of kids after school that cross there you know and on the weekends and whatever and the amount of people going back and forth for festivals that park on the side streets and um the Allway at Park Avenue which is becoming like I think I can speak to the council I think we're all worried that it's just it's not a matter of if it's a matter of when somebody's really GNA get hurt there because even though we removed parking from some of the street to allow more sight distance it hasn't helped so we're hoping that the Allway will stop will help as it has on Williams um and as it has on church and brown um those have been huge hugely successful to make Crossing safe safe both for cars and pedestrians and um also due to Citizens requesting it um he also looked at the Bloomfield Avenue all way on Broad also to calm down traffic this is about calming down traffic we have a lot of people who use the burough for commuting purposes that don't hear so that's how it happened and it's been studied by our traffic consultant and blessed by the chief of police okay so so you're saying then that the tickets issued there was a tremendous amount of tickets issued on M Street itself yes okay is there any idea of how many I'm thring under the police are here this is the first time all year we've had a offic here every single meeting and when I need one he's not here but I want to say it's like over 800 like I'm looking I'm actually looking as as you talk and none of them 41 for in my head as a thre away and they Zoom past people's problems like they they Pennsylvania they they West County they not the bur yeah I I'm certainly not here to debate that people aren't speeding I think they are I I live there so I can I can tell you that um the concern that I have is that if you look at how things are laid out over there for a good two or 300 yards between you know between maybe Park a and all the way up to Academy okay so it's it's a there's a qu there's a lot of Junctions there youve got a you got a street you got stangle ending there you got Central Station ending there you got I guess we're talking about the four-way with a driveway on one side I mean and the regular driveways that are servicing houses businesses whatever so my concern is is that if people stop in a say you know we admit that it's a rush hour type situation there with people coming through town both in the morning and in the evening it's all day yeah it's all day not rush hour is particularly bad bad in those times so if what I'm saying is is that if we start we have stops and people are stopping and it backs up okay it's going to back up and you know pretty much cover the the streets so you've got stangle you got people stopped on say they stopped on on mind for stangle at the fourway and and things start backing up well then how do people how do people get out of Central Station or how do people get out of their driveway to how how does traffic keep going and and if it if you have a if you have a stop sign on Central and it's heading out towards the old Liberty Village there then that that would tend to back up too because it's the whole you go a slow track yeah no question about that you're going to slow traffic but you going to cause a jam but potential Jam that would be detrimental I think to the businesses and even some of the residences you know like for me to get out of my if I've got car sitting in front of me backed up on my driveway how do I get out I gotta fight my way out of my own driveway in essence potentially if it gets backed up that much so those things and knowing and knowing how I feel personally about going to certain towns or places where traffic is a mess and the dog I don't doubt it I'm going to be turned away from maybe going to that area of town or going through that area of town because you know it takes 10 minutes to get through here where it never did before and I was wondering if if the council would think about potentially some uh FMS in the road you know the U the um our traffic our traffic consultant um really pushes away from those sorts of things and they're very noisy for residents with people you know going Bo boom bo boom over them and our DPW has to plow that and they really don't want them sorry are you talking about like not speed bumps but like bump outs from the like on right well they're basically speed bumps but the ones that I've seen in dle town some of them are more Steep and and close then you're going to get a B you know a boom b boom if you have kind of like the maces I think that's what they're called we talked to our like I mean we talked to our traffic consultant that I brought that up and again um it's it's not going to stop people what's happening especially at Park Avenue it's just not he did not feel that it was enough I will say so and Central Avenue is not supposed to get a stop sign Central Avenue I mean Central Avenue itself has that's one of the ones for one of the reticulating lights to where people would press it to cross right but I'm talking about cars forgetting about pedestrians at the minute but but cars when they come down Central to mine they're going to get backed up if there if there is a backup because of the stop signs that are there it's GNA back up then they'll go down fer and go to m sheets from fer well I live between I have really push for we have speed tables I work in a small town in Pennsylvania very tiny drive over but even on that because I know exactly what you're talking about I slow down to seven 17 miles an hour um if the speed Li was 25 I never you never really stop you just kind of because you know they're coming and they're slow and um I mean they don't even have the sidewalks that we have here in some of those small towns out in B but our traffic engineer and our DPW have stressed that that's not an option option not a good option even though I've worked I've gone over them and they actually have them in front of their fire department and police department and I N PD yeah literally right I was going to say I live on a park a right between the stop sign on on cner Street and Court Street um and sometimes yeah it it gets a little difficult to time it to get out of my driveway once in a while but I mean it's not that bad uh I know Mr Rosetti lives on the other side of one of those stop signs I think and um I mean Park Avenue has about similar amounts of traffic during Peak Rush Hour they've got to stop signs in the middle of it I've never seen it get that far I I don't think it's like halfway down the street um you know if it goes poorly we can always change it back it becomes that much of an issue but I mean part of part of the point of it is that okay yeah maybe people will not use the burrow as a way to get around because we've made it a bit more of a pain to do so traffic that's that's kind of the whole idea thing so that's not as convenient to cut through I do think you know some of the three and four-way stops in certain areas in certain situations are probably acceptable like you've done that on Fark Aven you right so some of that's workable but again looking at I don't know if maybe you guys should take a walk out there one afternoon or something and really see how much of an area we're talking about and what's dumping into that zone how much has to come into that zone and what the effect of of this stop sign in will be I I think it's a little uh you know it's it could be could be very uh bad for the town I mean we from a business perspective I think we want people to come to the town hopefully they stop and not just drive through it in the future and I also wonder about how what the effect on stangle road situ you know on those businesses will be because if there's that stop sign there there's perpendicular parking not too far from that stop sign so if those if those cars back up there into stangle if somebody's parked there how how are they going to back out or you know it's going to have some effect on that also again for those businesses right there not alone for whoever else is on that road what what the what the chief has indicated to us is you know there are a tremendous amount of vehicles going down down down Route 202 to Fan Boulevard to Park Avenue to mine Street and going out to Route 12 via mine because it's wide open it's got cars only on one side of the street it's a straight shot with nothing to stop them and you know they don't want to go down to the circle um so you know I think you know what councilman Le said is accurate it's going to hopefully be inconvenient for those people that use the buroughs roads don't shop in our stores and our businesses just use this as commuters you know the a lot of them are from Pennsylvania a huge amount are from West hunon County uh west of Flemington burough including Township and let them go it'll be more convenient for them to use Route 12 and stay on Route 12 to Route 202 or Route 12 to Main Street which is a you know which was at one time a county road I mean it was meant for traffical that was my next question is you know 523 is that I mean isn't it in effect even though it's not part of 523 County Road is it not the same thing it was 523 it was decommissioned as 523 two generations ago and it's been a Burrow road ever since so I just want to give you some perspective right because what Trent was saying so on a daily basis we have about 2100 Vehicles passing just Park app on da on mine was about 2800 vehicle passing it do it daily so the bottom line is and and you can from the police standpoint um they've monitored this for third for they did the initial study for 30 days and then they came back and did another study to see what the speed was and a little bit and there there is a problem I mean as you know there is a problem right and so there has to be something to mitigate that I you know personally when I was actually campaigning this this um this summer um several people on mind complained about the traffic and complained about they were almost didn't get so you got to mitigate it somehow right you got to mitigate it somehow it's not and it kind of goes back to what Trent was saying nothing's ever going to be perfect coming out of the game right so but we got to try something nothing be to triy but it went right so you got to try something in order to get something to get some to see what the results are going to look like if at that point then it just it's not going to work then it's up to this console to come back or you come back and say this is not working we need you guys to kind of take another look at this just got to start something I just want make sure that I'm taking from new Mar tra because I think I just had like a light bul if we're moving the traffic if this is going to prevent the traffic coming down mind stream in particular going to move them back out to Route 12 and overall the traffic will decrease so there may be less of an issue with the backing up for people who have a reason to be there first of all our residents we have to get out there so that would be something that I would want to love to see compare next year summer I received an email from somebody on Van Street saying I'm worried you're gon to put all the traffic on vanel Street well street is the only Street they studied in the study that had no speeding because there's so many cars on it and it's BS it's very tight so it might put more traffic there and then I mean I sent his email to our traffic consultant and he immediately wrote back and he said if it puts more traffic there um he said I don't think they're going to speed but we might have to look at Shields Avenue as an always stop at Bell you know so you know I I just you know I mean yeah when there's an action there's generally an equal opposite reaction and we're not really sure where the traffic's going to go we're hoping that it mitigates the problem of making of not having somebody get seriously injured trying to cross our streets the end it's not it's not it's not residents that are doing right it's not it's people who are coming in town and when you're saying they will stop or whatever they don't because if we got 2100 people or 2,800 people not our they're not stopping right so so you know I'm not sure that I would buy into that that argument but the bottom line is is that um that there is a problem and we've got to mitigate the risk go ahead yeah I just wanted to add just for perspective because I do live in between two stop signs on Park Avenue and it's equally very busy here and it it's actually to my benefit getting out of the driveway when cars are a bit backed up because they're moving slow enough that I can kind of go and they'll let me in and then we keep moving whereas people hit the stop sign and then speed up to the next stop if there's no lag and you can't get out I sit there sometimes 10 or more minutes liter like literally 10 minutes I'm not exaggerating just trying to back out because there's so many people whizzing by so it's actually important that we slow it down to get in and out of the driveways easier um and then beyond that though too whether it takes me five minutes or one minute or 10 minutes to get on my driveway like I walk up around mine constantly and I mean I've been hit like not literally hit but like almost hit you know what I'm trying to say like I've seen it happen and you got to remember that you know the pedestrians like I'd much rather wait five or 10 minutes to get out of my driveway then hear about someone getting hit crossing the road so that's like a perspective that you know I want to keep in mind as well um that it really is dangerous and it is often Pennsylvania driving license plates who are speeding around so um just to put into into into perspective you know with the stop signs here I actually prefer the backup go yeah just just in closing you know I I I just uh I guess we're on the verge of having that development at the other end of a Central Station where the villages so there's going to be a lot more cars than there is now locally just for those people coming down uh towards to try to get out of town using that Junction at M Street and Central Station so that's one thing to think about that's that's coming and you know maybe they'll go out towards Main Street or whatever but maybe they'll just move a problem somewhere else but and then the other the other issue is I just think that um we should you know give some thought about uh looking at this again uh you know maybe if you uh would have another view of this take a look at what happens course if you guys pass this um you know what's if you know somebody's going to have to give you a report of what's going on over there and you know to see if it's better maybe who knows or worse I would just be concerned from the business owners you know people who have their businesses who do count on local people or generally local people to come there and park and get to their pizza place or get to their hair salon you know they're going to say oh boy you know this isn't Fun you know it's what going to take 20 minutes to get the to to the air salon so those are the things that you know that that I would be very concerned about um and lastly what about enforcement I mean I I you know living there I haven't seen personally I'm not going to dispute your your figures but I don't think I've ever seen on M Street in the last months anybody get the ticket now maybe I'm missing it maybe I don't see it but I haven't seen much police protection there or patrols there they used to sit at burettes never seen them doing that um so I just I just question whether or not there's many tickets or excitations or whatever that have been issued on that street and the and lastly um noise talk about noise traffic noise I don't know if the police have ever thought about issuing summons or citations for people running with no mufflers and running straight exhaust we have those problems they have to be able to catch them well I tell you maybe I should volunteer because it go it has to be witnessed so if you if you call in a license plate you have to be have to be a and you know that's an Al vehicle and I'm pretty sure that's a ticket because it can't pass it it is but somebody has to witness it so either you have to do it as a civil complaint right or the police have to catch them that's the issue well that's my point you know I mean especially in the morning there's a couple of guys that come through there I kid you not you could probably hear him a mile away that's how bad it is that's terrible and again we're missing that's a quality of life issue yeah and and it's an income issue for the town if they come through it this like roughly the same time every morning they can post3 so is it in the morning or is it in the afternoon for a while especially holiday and well they are gonna be out they are gonna be out but hold on is it is it more in the morning or is in the in the afternoon is it like pretty much pretty much all day but I tell in the morning in the morning 6 o00 in morning somebody comes through there and it's you know the Black River in Western would be jealous of how much noise it makes it's Monday through Fridays like somebody commuting not on the weekend who knows I'm just saying in the morning and one last thing I do think that street is used M Street is used for a lot of commuters coming from Pennsylvania and other places for the hospital you know those people I would say a fair amount of those people coming down that street Maybe be heading to their jobs at our Medical Center we don't know they could be going to the they could be going they could be going to the high school we don't know where they're going but I'm just I'm just saying we just know they're not our residents right right and they're Pennsylvania plates they could be teachers they could be anybody but I do think the hospital is a destination the one thing I just did want to comment on is our traffic consultant that studied this for us and made these recommendations is also the planning boards traffic old so when Liberty Village comes through it's a valid point to make sure that when he does his comments on their traffic study that it's taking into consideration what's happening now on my street with a new uh three-way stop and um at stangle and not want to park but want stangle so well I appreciate your uh willingness to hear me out and maybe we'll CH chat again depending on what the first ad minut and I will make sure that the police are are are monitoring the noise thing I've never heard that before so I'll talk to him tomorrow all right thank you anybody El from the public wishing to come in ordinance 24 24 I would okay see your name and address for the record um G TR y um owner of burk and Supply 37 M streak Mike and neighbors we agree on most things very good neighbors one another um just about everything has been gone over what I wanted to say but I still like to have my time first I would applaud the efforts of police to enforce speeding violations I I think they could do more um I live on in Delware Township we have just as many those commuters that are probably coming up on mine Street most of them are probably coming up 523 we have police enforce we give tickets and um my question the councilman Parker would be what and I think the you given me the answer but I written it down prior that uh was the traffic study done on Park Avenue only or was it done on mine Street as well mine and park okay yes and Brad okay and they're and they're continuing to do studies throughout town with psylvia so then then my other question was what you answer was was had did the board come to the conclusion that Park and mine and M and stangle would be the two parking spots our traffic consultant that recommendation you explain that can I add though something that nobody else has mentioned is that the we have a traffic committee it's a parking committe parking committee but the this proposal came from that committee to do they ever contact any like residents of M Street like business owners or anything like that the vast amount of complaints we've had whove been near hit or hit are for M Street okay because um I've been down there 52 years you know Marsh I probably more anybody in this building I know so uh the solution isn't for you can't solve every problem with the same solution and I read report and I agree that broad in we Street it worked out well it did um but I believe the major problem still is the traffic flow which might keeps bringing up and um you know you said it five or six times it's 31 the fan the park the mine the 12 it's going to make a song out of it that's what it is and you know water will find its own level and it has and uh you're not going to stop that traffic flow because this is Mike said they might be people going to the hospital it could be teachers I mean we're just not here for the residence in the barington because I can tell you I was in business for 52 years the business was 113 years old I only had to rely on for flomington residents i' have been out of business a long time ago so I didn't mind getting the customers from Ringo and French toown in Milford and ornia um but saying that but and I read the traffic study and I did the calculation pretty much what you came up with which was 2100 cars a day turning on from Park and you know we don't have to even monitor you know they're making a rightand turn on the mine they're not on the main because they wouldn't have to go to park to get the main they could just do that at the bottom of foran then you have to add the cars that are coming from M from Main Street up mine off of me so that's going to add and then you got to kind of compress it into the hours it's not 24 hours I know that counters count in 24 hours it's pretty much 12 six to six 7 to seven so that makes an even bigger increase I will tell you 52 years that I ran a retail store in Flemington during the 80s and 90s I learned a lot about business for people like Marsh's father uh George mher Sid Benjamin and I know that Sid Benjamin and George mher together had their own traffic c replacement to direct traffic so there was good traffic flow so people would come to flamington leave and come back my dad and I used to sit in front of the burket at 2:00 in the afternoon On Any Given Saturday when the height of the Liberty Village was going in the 80s and 90s and that traffic was already backed up and I would say to my dad that father in that car is not coming back because he's going to be heading down to Main Street which is another 20 minutes to get to the end of Main Street then he's got to figure out how to how I get out of town see and it's going to happen because Liberty Village is closed you have a development you're going to have the same amount of people every day just not on the weekend so here again traffic flow is really going to be the main problem and I I'm glad that you you understand that if this doesn't work that it can be reversed now could be a little selfish because we have approved project 37 M Street and I can tell you that the town uh anointed my proper as historical and you know I couldn't give my business away from I couldn't give it away and it was a 1960s redo with nothing to do with historical value at all and I was not even given a postcard or a call to talk about it I'm very bitter about that but I went ahead and Jim who's in the audience with us we have a we have an approved pro project that's going only going to increase a new facelift on M Street but you're going to get a lot a lot more tax revenue out of that piece of property than you you're presently getting so uh we are concerned we just as Mike's our neighbor and we are concerned that that the traffic uh we we won't allow our six tow houses four apartments and two retail stores could be an issue here again hopefully if it becomes an issue we can revisit you back on on the traffic size because it's changes the value of what we're trying what we're trying to do with the property and um while it's not being developed at this point I have plenty of Frontage if you'd like to put the sign we have electronic sign out there you know about slowing traffic down you're welcome to put it on in front of our building we've got plenty of furniture we have the sidewalk plus the other proportion nice offer that's that's that's you know so you're welcome to put up there because I've allowed stangle from overflow traffic in my yard for the four years that I've been closed I could have easily put a chain up easily and I wouldn't do it because they know how that affect Mara and George and what other thing that and when I closed one of the first things that towned was put no parking in front of my place now this is where Mike and I disagree because because and I know that you had that traffic taken away from mine street but if those cars are still on mine street from Park to to my place so there there's traffic before you get the park and there's traffic after you get P by place you can park but that just getes people an opportunity to speed up a little bit so maybe we should revisit them whether or not dude should be parking in front of that well that was put at by our traffic consultant so he said it was really not safe and the turning radius I think one of those areas was the turning radius for Central Station um and then the site distance from Park Avenue we had 52 foot tractor Trail screw in that driveway for my appliance delivery so we never had an issue never and in fact Robin made the comment that after we closed the store the traffic at Burkin wasn't there which at the sometimes because of the activ that was going on there that did slow traffic down so I appreciate your time ask a question I'm not sure what this um so are you proposing that you don't want any stop signs at all I'm just trying to understand where where well I think two within 500 feet is more than we need I I I maybe would agree that thinking the one on Park in mine but not on stangle in mine and I'll tell you another reason because we had quietly I was very involved with the car show for years behind the scenes and I thought when we had it stangle it was one of the better car shows because first we had a brewery we had a had a coffee place we had shops we had an ice cream parlor and the police didn't want it there after that because of the perpendicular parking and just as like Mike said ca's going to be backing up on stangle and you're you're you're you're I mean I have a new car so I have a I have a camera but the average person is you're you're not going to be able to get out and so I appreciate your time I know what the effort is but um I hope that we can revisit this if there is an issue with with our project if there is an issue with the situation on my street we'll be revisiting it if it's just your project uh I'm not sure um how to resp that but yeah um you know hopefully it's going to do the fix that are traffic assult and and I I you know I DPed into the master plan which you put back up you know on the shelf for a while but you know the master plan is to put people in the streets and on Main Street but they've got to be able to walk safely okay cars don't go on the sidewalks yeah and and yeah so that's what I'm saying you're that and that flow was always going to be it was always stangle it was always Liberty Village dangle m to me that's what the plan always was and every you know committee we were on and all the organizations that we started with the bid uh with the slack rack with Hal bloodsworth and George Moher with the cut glass and Sid Benjamin and Liberty Village People that's all and that was before stangle I mean we had fals SC over there but we didn't have what George created over there so um as I say 52 years in flamington retail's been in my blood and take advantage of it if you need have some information i' be more glad to give it to you because I you got a lot of it thank you anybody else from the public wanting to come in on orance 20 24 24 okay um three minutes right no not on public hear okay well I don't need a lot of time but I do want to say that you are uh so sorely missed I know I'm really supposed to talk to you but um berett is really sorely missed and um and my experience of sitting at a Central Central Station trying to make a left or a right because I do go both ways um you know there's a lot of traffic going by and when you were in operation there was so much less whizzing traffic in it was so much less chaotic mostly because you were outside your store accepting the delivery waving to people talking to somebody it was you know a very different vibe than with those vacancies and that really is what happens with vacancies and having worked in places that did very intentional traffic calming um when your stores are full and when you have more housing on main streets or busy streets everything slows down and people find a different cut through it's like the water that goes wherever you want it to go so um I I trust that when there's more activity at the bookend of mine and stangle that we will have to revisit uh traffic flow because we'll also have more traffic with with um Liberty Village and with stangle you know we're just I I think we're going to have more growth which hopefully calms traffic but these are things we're going to have to revisit but I I do I am confused you said Park and mine which is not being discussed right there is a typo still in the ordinance yes there is a typo in the Ordinance one I pointed out well the orance say mine and mine Street and Bloomfield am I crazy okay but butk M was not we amended it publicly okay Park and mine was not discussed as a place to put this stop sign right when it was never discussed par has discussed for okay but it's not on here where is it on here typo is still on the ordinance it so where it says mine and Bloomfield it should say park and mine right so there's three always going up in this ordinance got one is mine and stangle one is mine in park and one is Broad and Bloon field okay okay I mean I I uh yield to your traffic experts and and everyone else um I think that I'm sure when there's a building full of people and Tow houses and apartments and two more retail operations we'll we'll have to reconsider everything um you know we would also like to reconsider a St Church Street going across to stangle at some point in the future which was actually an idea from the past so you know I think there's lots of opportunities the real uh the real point is that we have to just have better conversations with each other about um all these things so I'm hoping this is the beginning of uh making positive changes and more conversations with each other with the FC the car to park what and finding places for the cars to park sure been one of the key focuses of the parking committee yes B been almost like a an addendum to it yes with all the cars and all the business where they Park absolutely all right that's all thank you anybody else from the public have any comments on 202 24-24 I have a motion to close the public hearing Onin 2024 24 thank you good night long move is there a second second all in favor um all right can I have a motion to uh to approve and adopt in 2024 24 second Engle seconded mov any other discussion I just had a quick question and I guess not being part of the uh parking committee or any of that um and I don't know who would have this answer but just um and our friends left but to to kind of give a little piece of mind like hearing these concerns how soon after these stop signs go up do we no would be able to answer the question of okay is this working I think that's a cheap question for him to monitor what's happening um you know Jay our our traffic consultant made recommendations you know he went out he surveyed the entire Street I can share your his written report um which is just basically one page and it says he originally we originally on the parking committee we had talked about Central Avenue and Park Avenue having the um the stops and stangle being the push button light for pedestrians when Jay went out and looked at it he um put in a written report saying Central the park is too close it should be stangle even though Central may need it a little bit more but they're just too close for having the stop signs and to push it out to stangle and then he recommended the flashing cross lights at uh um Walnut Brook at um Central and at can't remember it was Academy your Dewey forgive me was one of the other and he also recommended he looked I mean he looked and he recommended that uh all three of those locations needed to have the Ada um sidewalks put in that time when we do we do those lights and the the cross walk down at Walnut was all broken up the whole thing needed to be redone so um in conversation with Remington Vernick as they're getting us grants to do M Street and we're getting I bank loan hopefully to do so we're in water lines on mine Street sidewalks will get put in there as well at those crosswalk areas so that we can get those repaired and get them ADA Compliant so um so that's you know that's as far as he went the question is for the chief is that you know um you know for him to be monitoring what's happening with these um with backups with you know are more people now on uh Route 12 you know are we seeing more cars there we seeing more speeding on Route 12 like what's happening and it's really a police question and I don't I don't think we should um give him a timetable because as Robin said you know things are going to change as business is open or Liberty Village finishes or whatever like Liberty Village could take two years to finish building out or three years I mean you really don't know you know so what would be like a general just from your experience in government um like I think Jeremy it's a good question next summer do we say I we just tell the chief monitor tell us as soon as you put in start monitoring because the point of it is there's no need to wait the point of it is anytime that something is new I'm a bigan of this so i i people say again it's over communicated not underc communicating so I think as soon as they go in the directive is is that it start monitoring and maybe maybe even look at because you can get down granular right you can get down and say okay I'm gonna I'm going to monitor this once a week or you can say I'm going to monitor this and I'm going to see what days might be more um have more traffic than other days and that so you got you can't just look at like this you got to get granular if you're going to do it right um and then have them come back and say Here's what my recommendation is because the point because you you don't know what you don't know yeah that's right and so the only way to know is be granular about it and just be really really you know about it and see what you know whether it's days maybe it's maybe it's not we may be surprised to see that Saturday is busier than Mondays right I mean it could be that it could be Sundays are just bu because it's Church um you know the Catholic church in the whole so now what does that think the public knew that there were going to be two people in in opposition here tonight we would have had 100 people in favor of this you know and I you know just speaking from personal experience you know before we put the fourway at William Street and Broad I hadn't been on William Street driving uh west to east in probably 10 years because it was so dangerous I haven't driven North to South on Park Avenue in probably four years because trying to make a turn onto mine is so dangerous I mean I'll drive dangerous to cross it yeah right car so I can only imagine how unsafe pedestrians around here with dogs just people but maybe it's more than just the stop sign itself maybe it's the proximity of where stop signs are being placed as well because that could also be an issue right which I think in terms of turning up of all that I'm not taking anything away from the traffic St or anything my but I'm just saying that if you're going to do that you got to look at everything and so is it that that's not as effective as having it down further or having it closer what I don't know what the answer yeah I think I think it's important important that we monitor right away because that's I mean I I agree with what the gentleman said about like you know as things change over the years and it's an Ever evolving situation but the key is we have a problem right now right so we have to do something right now and hope it fixes it right now and then if another problem pops up in a few years when things are built and stes come back in you fix it again then right but right now there's a problem we have to deal with so evolving and and Jay did look at the entire like you know we we the council and myself asked that the the parking committee asked Jay to look at solutions for all of these problems on all of my street and Jay did he went from you know from the circle all the way down to me he looked at the entire Street and this was his these were his best recommendations but he also acknowledged today to me you know regarding this gentleman on on vanel who's concerned that now traff more traffick is going to start coming down vanel street that it's possible people will use B I mean it's a much more complicated Street to drive down but he ackn knowledged that we might have to look at shield and know so you know of course everything's going to change but hopefully people go you know the commuters but people will figure here we go on say anything that I'm something that I'm enjoying this because it's how we work together thank you as a member of the traffic committee um sorry parking but it's still you named it the parking commit originally but it's so much more it's been much more and and I appreciate that opportunity to sit on that because I I think we have gotten a lot done on that committee um so whatever we call it as a member of it um I I don't necessarily think these two G genten were were opposed to it I want to make that clear I think they I think that and and and I'll be hon with you my my biggest question when we were going through this process was um how close the two were to each other and we all were concerned about that and I think that's where they were but number one we all came to the conclusion that science and pain are cheap and Science and pain can be easily changed pretty easily uh pretty quickly so I'm not as concerned about it and one of the things that we did not mention as well is when um Jay um we we the the committee you know met and we said okay Jay made his recommendations and one of the recommendations was Central he actually had a you know he had a change of heart he emailed all of us said you know what I'm going to recommend this instead and one of the things we all didn't mention during this conversation was one of the reasons why he recommended stangle in mind was because of the um angled intersection that it comes to so that particular um yeah so that those particular view triangles as you're rolling into you're basically rolling into mine if you're coming north on stangle so it was that was one of the concerns and what that did was that spread the two um stop signs out I I know my fellow colleagues on the on the parking committee um parking committee um would agree with me that I actually it was it was one of my it was my idea to to recommend the crossing over by the church um and one of my recommendations was just like we're doing with broad how we're kind of breaking it up oneir one third oneir so that that that you know that traffic slows that's one of the reasons why I asked for Jay to look at the at the intersection by the church he recommended the the flashy crosses flashy Cross by yeah I would still love to see a tra a stop sign there you know um close to the circle I understand and that's why I understand why he recommended that um but the point is we've made a lot of these recommendations over the last 12 months and um all of which so far have have been successful one of these times we're gonna we're gonna miss and we're going to but that's what's the beauty of this is that it's pretty easy to change and we could always either e bump it up or bring it back um but I do appreciate their feedback and them coming tonight um like I said I don't necessarily think that they were completely opposed they were just expressing some some concerns but to be honest with you some of their concerns were personal well yeah and I think some of the concerns like um um um Mr Gentry is comment about the he's a retail guy and you know retail we know more you know um slower traffic and more feet on the street is a good thing for retail so some of their comments were actually um kind of a little contradictory but in a good way I I think it really was about getting in and out of absolutely think the guy is really concerned you know and I'm gonna give it to him if I were on that street and you were doing I would be concerned it doesn't mean that it's it's it doesn't mean that it's it's it's it's going to happen it just means I am concerned that it may so one the thing that me on this parking Comm issue is that I walk this streets my dog's rumor is on that section behind St it is easier for me to walk in torrential rain even though floods to get my dog there than it is to drive in that area on a Saturday morning picking him up at 11 o' so it's easier for us to walk through torrential rain even though that's flooding down there and get there than minut is to drive my car try and make the left out or right or go on Academy right and it's just as difficult to make a left coming out here right it's it's very I've got a small car I don't sit up high you know with big wheels on a truck so I I'm happy we don't have the per made it easier restricting some of the parking but I do think the gentleman Mr um Mr Novac was very like I think that that's a genuine reason and and I will always appreciate the feedback we get from the community homeowners businesses that's that's why we're here to listen to them and I think that they were open like they they like they I don't like I said I think they were weren't necessarily opposed they just said you know what we're concerned but we're willing to work with you and see how it works out facial part of it yeah I think it's gonna be break something we have room it's it's e the we say we just take a look at it but I do but going back I do this think it's something that start monitoring as soon as it happen well they'll have a cop out there just reminding people that there's no extra stop signs as they did at Williams and they did a church so they'll be out there as soon as stop signs go up um I almost R through I was so excited to see them I almost ran through the wild as they were putting it up so always so happy there's no other discussion um can I have a no other discussion can I have a roll call please Chris excuse me councilman art yes councilman Taro yes Council councilman Le yesc president L yes councilman Parker yes Council vice president presti yes thank you all right under the regular agenda resolution 2024 162 Award of contract to Reva Contracting Corp 165 over Flemington for the Main Street roadway Improvement project in the amount of $633 um this project actually started this morning uh so can I have a motion to approve long will move is there a second Sor second any discussion call please councilwoman n yes councilwoman pararo yes councilman L yes council president long yes councilman Parker yes Council vice president res yes so um the street is going to be closed daily uh just south of Church Street so the church street light will be open for lington business uh traffic through the holidays and then after 1 of January they will be working at the intersection and closing that for a few days as they uh dig the trench for our future sewer lines um so just stay tuned for announcements on all of that resolution 20241 163 resolution authorizing the B special projects engineer Robert maruchi P to apply to the historic presentation office for well number 11 improvements on 200 Main Street block 49 I'm sorry 42 BL 9 and some 100 County New Jersey I have a motion to approve move you're a second any discussion um I just curious um could you explain why um the state historic preservation office and it well what's the relation in the historic it's in the historic district correct so we we need to get that over with before we get to the point where we're ready to start actually putting the spell in because we saw how long it took Academy I'm sorry um William Street to not just to get to get a uh um what's the word on to not have to study it it took three months alone if they really want us to study it it's going to take a year so it actually is very similar to what um Mr Gentry said he actually misspoke he said that they made our my building historic and what they just did was recognize that his property sits in within the bounds of the historic district there's a big difference and that's exactly the case with this site the site is in the historic district that doesn't mean that the Well site is we need to get a waiver from the we need to get a waiver from the deep should okay roll call please councilman the yes councilwoman sor yes councilman Le yes council president long yes councilman Parker yes counc vice president yes uh resolution 2024 164 resolution to renew um our joint Insurance Fund they're really pushing that done before the end of the year um uh like kind of a last minute thing car thought we could do it in January the reorg and they you know wanted it done now so can I have a motion to um approve resolution 2024 164 there second sorrow second any discussion call please Council yes councilwoman foror yes councilman L yes council president long yes councilman Parker yes Council vice president Rosetti yes thank you and resolution 20241 165 resolution appointed F commissioner for the 2025 fund year again this is they're pushing this um and that's it nothing else to say motion so wait a minute what what is this about so every joint joint Insurance Fund has fund a fund commissioner representative to go to their meetings and it had been Michael Humphrey and um you know I've done this sort of thing in the past actually like so this is appointing me as the fun commissioner and you Parker as my um my backup in because I can't make a meeting okay when there's been nobody representing Us in the buau as far as I can tell for probably three years really but it says here that it says here that car is going to be hereby appointed as says car um we can right now resolution okay you want to do that no I'm just no I don't know what the protocol is but I'm just saying I well it's the council appoints so it's I don't I don't this is Rel I don't know where their meetings are I mean I'm plan driving where they I don't know where where this I have no idea I don't know where means I can't believe' been unrepresentative for three years represented for years nobody's been is this like any law or is this something so part when you sign you have agreement with them um you sign like an Indemnity agreement that for you the opportunity to be represented their Board of Commissioners which you should take because they make decisions about how much money you pay exactly you know the claims your own claims whether pay on your claims right yeah um I have a relationship with Statewide they're good people and I'm shocked that we never know never come up I'm just trying to understand why we never had so so I I I'm making an assumption that when my country became administrator uh Betsy step off but she had not been going because she had you know full-time job and couldn't go and Mike was not going right mik was not going and then his name never came off they never as far as I know the alternate he was no he was our oh he was the ref he was the ref and and then and then State white didn't necessarily know that he was gor and um you know and then like a few months ago I said to Carla you know don't they have a a a commission like there's should be a commission hey you and I spoke with carolen comboy who runs that CH many times I saw her a week and a half ago commissioner before for other municipalities and and so she called State why they were like yeah it's my comy and pessy driver and they were she was like I think bety was the alter don't send something to find out who like updated they should have every year they should they should have but as far as I know they did not I mean when I became administator mid in midd burough their joint sh Hunted Me Down dog that's what they usually do they hunted me down like a dog to go on your commission no I'll be more than happy to do all right let's motion is amended motion yeah can have a motion to amend the agenda to make councilman Parker the alternate long move is there a second sorry happen okay any other discussion on this resolution roll call please councilman engleheart yes counc yes Council Le yes president long yes councilman Parker yes Counce president yes and the thing is you know a lot of people think this insurance is been really boring but you're talking about so much money and representation and you know just knowing the inner workings like I can tell you the joint Insurance Fund in Middle 6 bur had was phenomenally good and it's because I went to every once a meeting and I saw how good they were I think that day wide's really good have a good relationship with I really want to see how they run their meetings I think it's really enforcement and how they give think years they never tried at least I think it's probably at least three but like as the council woman said Co was happening too so who knows um it's passed so we'll just move on keep out right um okay have work session we're up to public comment session number two uh three minutes do you have any comments you want to make I'll take one minute okay okay um first of all I I wanted to ask uh those gentlemen where they how they learned about this because I do about they did write to me about the parking and the changes but I also wanted to commend you Council Parker for uh whoever whoever included this parking update well then could to the mayor because I think this really is really helpful because I I don't necessarily you know we know it's hard for people to follow everything the council does even though I come to every meeting and enjoy it um so having this U this if it doesn't get reported I get a pine on what's that I didn't get a peline on it didn't I well it does actually say a message from the mayor but then it does say Flemington burough parking committee update so um so any know c angle it's well done and I did want to say that um I don't think it was last year but it might have been last year we applied for the AARP funding yes yes and we asked for tra traffic lights um at church and Main Street and we had a for the fr the the what you yeaha yes yes the appropriate um uh ADA Compliant blinking noise making and we especially said because of the senior residents and trying to get it you know it's very very busy over there to try to get safe passageway to Main Street for the seniors who live over there um we didn't get the Grant and there were a lot of other people who a lot of other bus wrote for exactly the same thing they did get it so they did it's very the ARP grants are crazy competitive so I I don't think we wrote the best Grant because we we were kind of um I thought it was the last minute if I remember correctly it was the last minute thing I remember receiving something and I sent it over and said we should do this and it was a very last minute thing so that's probably why we didn't get the grant yeah and I'm not pointing fingers I'm just saying that it was the last minute last minute effort we were that doesn't mean that we should try it again yeah we were kind of spitballing on what it what we might need and how much it would cost and we we hadn't really but um but we did do a little research at that time about how much of costs and they do pay for ARP does pay for that kind of light and Blinky crosswalk things I think you should just look for it again yeah also has I they have grant money available this a pretty significant yes I I I don't know but I'll look and see the point of it is I remember bringing it up and seeing go for this I me Tara said to me are you are you really married to hardwired and I said are the solar metal and sturdy and she said yeah they're totally cemented in and it's a third of the price I we can get the three we need for the price of one if we go hardwired and I said my only concern is you know what happens if there's you know a ton of snow on top of the solar thing and you know we have a bunch of great days and she's like We're going to contact the chief of police in Clinton they've had it for two years and they've got data so we have a lot of solar stuff powered around around the backyard it's really not an issue it's really not an issue you know what because the sun still and I don't I'm not believe me I'm not but for some reason the sun still is able to get to the mechanism we've never had a problem never so I mean all I care about is that it's like it's like it's not like the solar ones AR plastic and the hard wire ones are metal we don't want to be cheap right exactly one the last on then I mean Province Town went all solar with all of our well she said that they gave money to the Clinton was the first one to got them and they went solar Frenchtown just got an award and they're putting Su down in Frenchtown and she told me another municipality but I can't remember which one but it was South County I just can't remember hun is giving them money for it apparently they they gave them or helped them get grant money for it they gave the money to and she said that's why they're they're coming here they're coming here our first real meeting in January so the only thing we have to check because I don't remember if we did it was to pass the resolution being a pass it okay we pass it okay then for some reason I think I know we did we did something about seniori friendly Community but that's what I'm trying to say to you is that connect to that yes okay all right so so I think if the police or the traffic engineer want to give us better information about what it is we're actually asking for I think we could write a stronger rant have the data now they don't have the data there we go so I'll just look at the deadline again and see when it comes up but you're ready this is just for the church street light that if you're writing on for that and you want it hardwired like that whole intersection is going to get redone before June I think that be part of it yeah to be no I'm asking for the grant does it have no the the move the movable ones are actually they do have movable ones like that well you can kind of put them in someplace to sort of demo you know as a demonstration something cement into the ground metal steel whatever check okay I me suggestion okay thank you okay uh we have anybody else in the public so name your last name for the record your address SP by Street here at Bon New Jersey r s a r i a uh just want to come up and say I'm really thankful for you guys I'm happy to be here uh um I was a little nervous the first time I was here you know I wanted to come up and say something know it's got the best of me I'm going to try right now and say something so thank to all of you guys for welcoming me and makeing it a very easy transition and I just can't wait to work with you guys in January uh so Liz I just heard a lot of great stuff about you and I'm a little jealous because I didn't get to work with you but I I just want to say U thank you for serving all the stuff I heard you done so I'm gonna be bugging you a little B J so that's all good I'm glad to see I have a good replacement so call me anytime you need I'll point you in the right direction absolutely yeah but um yeah that's about it just want to thank you guys and just can't wait to you guys thank so much all right okay payment of bills authorizing payment of bills in the amount of $3,819 can I have a motion please is there a second second uh roll call please Council womanart counc yes counc yes council president yes counc Parker yes Council vice president yes and we have an executive session tonight um uh to cover negotiations under cour house square and P and Personnel matter um as well as an update on litigation I don't have any you don't have any update okay uh can I have a motion to go into session move there second second all in favor for the real time give everybody a Break um no fine okay we're out of executive session uh nobody from the public is outside can I have a motion to return the meeting move is there a second par second all in favor holidays everybody