##VIDEO ID:TP8rPfmBYmw## no ain't nobody watching all right it's called Uh this meeting to order the Public Safety Committee meeting on Tuesday December 17th we will call to order and say the Pledge of Allegiance Pledge Al to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible withy jusice for full house today which is great um roll call we'll start Mr Mayor uh Dan allers Town Council Todd capella Kieran Ferell Don Thomas Jim bouas Jim nickel Ron benock Thomas yazo wonderful all right public comment nobody approval of the minutes from November I make a motion to approve the minutes from November I'll second that all in [Music] favor the minutes are approved um let's go reports did you want to start with Mr chipwood good morning Lieutenant chipwood from the Lee County Sheriff's Office I don't really have anything to report for you this month there's been no significant activity so I'm here to for any questions that you guys may have I have one question sure I guess this has to go with traffic so we had the sand sculpture event and I just don't know did the town plan ahead and have people here meeting uh Traffic Safety people at the end of the event it was like every was a Mad Dash everybody left at the end of the day and that traffic sat still and and I I because there was an RV right in front of the parking lot that we were working it sat still for at least 40 minutes no nobody moved and I understand it was a a lot of cars leaving but I just wanted to make sure that going forward when we start having these events that that we know that something's going to happen at the end of the day that we I don't know if you guys were on call if it was just kind of like nobody had planned ahead there was a security detail for that but I don't think they had a traffic detail applied for so that would probably be something that I would think the staff when they submit the application for the permit we probably have to say hey these are the things that we want to do um and I'd like to add that only because people were driving in the middle of the road people were starting to get mad because there's no movement so pretty soon everybody just goes I'm going to go right down the center lane we had two lanes of traffic leaving the Ireland and that was the only way they were get moving and cutting people off so um Adam chair I wonder if it would it would make sense for the Public Safety Committee to maybe give direction or ask the Lee County Sheriff's Office for their suggestion on events like that of what they feel would be needed for traffic detail that you can make a recommendation to council that they add it to any special event permits like that's I was going to say okay so can we um ask you to let us know what you would would need us to provide you for like a special event something like that so the process is when you guys have your special events or any special event happens in the beach the permit request has gone through the town and they send it to our details coordinator at the Sheriff's Office who they review it initially and then they do give uh they send it to the W uh third precinct command to kind of just take a glance over to make sure it looks okay because we have more contact with this area so if on the the initial process that went because if it comes in it says we need security and if it's not an event that we're real familiar with like I don't think we've had a sand castle event in several years so but knowing now that this year we had a traffic issue going into next year's event just something for the staff to go hey we're going to be these are the problems that we have during this event people you know drinking outside of the designated areas then we know okay these are the issues that we need to deal with um and then it traffic control either arriving or departing Stacks up and that way in the planning process for how many how much Manpower we'll need for the event and what type we can we can plan that way if it just comes in is hey we need security right we may or may not know that there's also going to be a traffic issue so it would it would be the request on the front end saying this is what we're going to need because without knowing exactly what the event's going to do then we may not we not may not have the the inside knowledge to send the right people I would think the next big one is shrimpfest New Year's Eve New Year's Eve new and New Year's Eve well I could tell you I think the the biggest bottleneck I saw going around the island that entire weekend was the people coming off of fifth trying to make that U-turn to go back to Times Square and there was nobody there to make them continue on and it would stop traffic for 10 minutes exactly while they were waiting for traffic to come on the island and make that U-turn so that's probably the biggest bottleneck I I noticed so would you recommend that I since those permits for fireworks and shrip fessel are already in would you recommend that I need to come to the next town council meeting and bring it up so that it goes back to town employees so then it goes back to you because I do think we're going to have to address it um so with I can just say with um with fireworks that's that's an annual thing that we've had a long history with okay so we're very well we're already done with the planning for that we're already ready to go for that shrimpfest is already on the radar for planning um and again that's a even though we had a couple years of downtime it's a it's an event we're very well familiar with and have a huge plan for okay so it's things like that that we're okay but it's little more you know little ones that maybe don't happen as often that we don't have the Insight on on what it might might might or might not do and we all could a reminder is always good for us so um so do we have any visibility to what permits have been applied for so we can match it up to say okay these the ones we get covered these are the ones that we don't have covered at this point all I know of is like New Year's Eve was applied for at least a month ago um and I imagine shrimpfest will probably be coming in January or February early February maybe probably more January is when I usually see them about a month and a half out so and again I've already got on my board at the office it's already I've already got all the events for the next year written down so I know to be looking for them and planning so but the smaller ones that we may not have you know lined up already or not annual those are things that we could use a reminder on just to be aware I have a little insight in this um just for the permit for that uh s Castle event that permit came through our permitting staff I had a piece in that we did request at first it was no police uh request at all so we requested that they have people downtown we also requested through Now understand we we have the final say in some of the permit to it but it's moved past us in some respect too so they have to send the request to the to the person who's asking for the permit the town doesn't send it to them to to the PD that comes from the person who's doing the permit so we we have our pieces that we say okay to and then that gets moved on so there was a request made for PD um we can't force them to hire them for different things in that event uh with the New Year's Eve stuff the town creates their own IEP they have their own IP and we do it with the fire department too so we have a plan in place that's kind of a tried and trude one with the smaller events that's something that we could touch base on with the council and have the requirements more locked in as opposed to being so discretionary as to what be allowed that's that would be my recommendation to that and mayor when you talk about that specific problem that sounds like it's probably something we can address from a direct Patrol perspective not necessarily through a permitting process because that's that's probably something that's happening more often that our guys need to be aware of well I think that's adding to the you know as we're coming back into seeing we're starting to see more and more of that center lane become a passing Lane okay and I think now adding that to it it's is going to you know I saw a motorcycle the other day drive down the opposite lane probably a good mile okay mile and a half just to bypass the traffic because the turn lane wasn't there so I just hate to see someone getting hit but I know that's on your guys' radar every single year but we're we're starting to see it earlier and earlier at least this year we did put a request into the do monitor who's handling that construction space over there to extend the traffic barrier up onto the bridge a little more to kind of control that space and we are using Rangers when we have the staff at Crescent and fifth um as we wait for some more signage to come in let people know that there's a one way is not a stop at all so we're putting a ranger there for traffic Duty and these guys also have had people out helping us um to keep that moving so we can keep people moving on the Northbound side getting off the island but you know we can't control the other side by the bridge that's why we want more traffic control there with with barriers and different typ of take two and three would be better but we're working on that with that it looks like they're trying to change the traffic pattern there a little bit when you come around that bend looks like they've extended it up the bridge a little bit Yeah so maybe their plan is to extend those cones up to force them up the bridge a little further that was our request for safety is that they stop the because it it is confusing for some people and some people get nervous when they go oh I have to get off the island now so they make that UI and it and that U-turn does create some real Hazard and some safet issues that's why we put it into to further that up the the uh lean there block that off but the barrels and Cones are not really that effective you need some type of barrier space that's going to really lock it in Tom I can't recall is there signage along Crescent indicating Time Square Straight Ahead as opposed to left Crescent I know we ordered that right Mr may I know some of that stuff was ordered I was told it was ordered I haven't seen it up there yet some you're supposed to have Time Square straight ahead and and through traffic doesn't stop coming the other direction so when you're coming right you know South on Crescent yeah there's a says but there's going to be one okay to tell people that the traffic turning left on the fifth does not stop because people are still stopping there regardless there's well that's yeah part of it everybody's coming to a complete stop at the I know when we've had Rangers down there if deputies have been down there directing traffic it is certainly it certainly helped the traffic on it I mean there's still traffic but you never stopped you kept rolling at least so you notice a significant difference with somebody moving that traffic from stopping Tom back to the permitting request um is there a CH I mean if they're coming if like these smaller special events whether it's a little music fest or something that could turn into a big deal because maybe the person who's going to participate in it has a big name and all of a sudden you have lots of people wanting to come to an event that maybe wasn't on the radar uh initially uh as it comes through your office is is there not an opport there for you to flag that and say we're going to require either more security or more more traffic uh control with this event than the than the event people are suggesting or asking for and you know it it seems you're in the best position to make that judgment as it pops through your section there and you could either get back with the event people and say you're going to need more traffic or we're not going to move your permit forward I mean it just seems to me like there's that that's the perfect spot requirements a tough word uh we can request as we go through there's certain things they have to meet and that comes with insurance and everything so as with that event the initial request was no law enforcement and I pushed back to our special event person and said we have to have law enforcement uh extra law enforcement when we're talking about possibility of another 10 to 15,000 people on the island they should we should have some people who can back up the regular Precinct deputies who are here so that was our push back on that um individually traffic I did ask for for that but that never seemed to come to fruition it seems in with all due respect it seems a little improper or at least uh the town should have some say so over this traffic situation I mean once those people leave the property of the event and they get into the street it's I don't I don't blink it's it's just my opinion that the event holder while they certainly could contribute to that but that it seems to me like it's the taxpayer that should be taken care of getting that traffic safely on the street and off the island either coming or going um I know historically maybe we have tried to hold the event person responsible for traffic control on the island but that do that seems like it as was in the case here it's Hit or Miss whether you get the cooperation of the event holder to do it and I think there's a c there's a high degree of Public Safety interest in getting people safely once they're on the roadway safely on or off the you know on or off the island I don't know I guess I I'm I'm seeing it as more of a town or County responsibility to get that traffic safely off once they're on the roadway now if there's a private parking lot uh people at the event uh security at the event I can clearly see where the event holder could be held accountable for making sure that people you know we have enough security and and safety personnel there and I think as soon as they hit soon as people hit the street it's either the town or the County's responsibility then to get them safely owner off the island that's just my personal view of it I don't disagree we have to dig I have to dig into the pering process through that and they would have to come through the council in some respect too well this was a chamber event as well they they need to know better as well they they were anticipating a certain amount of things so that's on the chamber as well so whoever was doing the permit for the chamber next year you know and which this is easy to do to call the Chamber and say you need to make sure that you you know when you have these events that you we're trying to bring people to the island you need to start thinking of traffic as well and work with the town and everything okay anybody else just one build on on that traffic as well what I noticed I was sitting in that traffic was that there was a person with the flag allowing so by Beach Bar stopping traffic right that was my group yeah stopping traffic to allow cars to go through and I think I you know I'm just observing like I don't know how if that was someone that was trade or like if that was part of the police department or part of the town or I answer that question J go for it so uh the nonprofits ran the parking lots and we parked over um well we parked a lot of cars let's put it that way and we couldn't get anybody out the traffic was not moving and so we really did take it upon our ourselves and we would go out and stop traffic we had flags and say let these people out otherwise it it was a complete standstill and so the goal was to get people in get people out and but again when they were turning they're going to the south end of the island it was wide open when they were going north starting by 2 o' you couldn't get off the island it was complete standstill again goes back to chamber n request we're anticipating EX of thousands of people coming and it started on Thursday that we need to have sheriffs lined up at certain spots and yeah I don't blame all the town and I don't blame the sheriff I do think that it's a you know if you think your events going to bring x amount of cars you need to let's start thinking a little broader here especially for groups like The Chamber or or the shrimp festival or if we do do a um parade on the south end for um St Patrick again these are the types of things that this Island used to do that would bring the people in and um they're going to come and we have to plan ahead Tom you may want to consider they hire the Women's Club group to do the traffic control there was no there was nobody messing with those sassy women I can tell you that Su Patton was the best person ever if you ever would need someone I mean we had people we stopped traffic literally left and right oh oh yeah I know oh there were people were like yeah not worth the argument we'll stop yeah whatever you say yep so uh I was here I saw it it was very good and we made a lot of money for our charity so that was great okay um I think that's it Lieutenant thank you thank you have a great holiday Chief good morning committee members Scott worth and fire department uh you have the report in front of you I'm happy to say it was a fairly quiet month um I did look at the trauma type calls um we had one bicycle that was out at Pine Ridge in St Carlos area so it wasn't on the island um and then we had another trip in Falls so as far as our significant trauma type calls that was pretty much it for the last 30 days so that's good news for all of us very quiet I have a question literally the day after we left we had an electric bike incident last last month but I didn't understand the full context of it was it on the street was it wrong way was it I don't even I never heard the whole details of just said after call because it was literally the same day after we had the lengthy discussion about electric bike someone got hit on remember where it was I know it was on I think it was by Red Coconut I think but I don't know so um all right and we don't know the detail that was by Diamond Head Diamond Head okay on the sidewalk on the street yeah I don't know if you want to talk about it or not but it was it it it was the it was not the person driving let's just put it that way from what I what I've been told it was it was on the the bicyclist was yeah okay okay thought it was ironic I don't have any questions anybody report right we um just just for your information we will be coming out of the ground with the new Fire Station first Monday in the new year so nice forward how long will that take uh they're saying 14 months I'm trying to push them to 12 so somewhere between 12 and 14 months that's exciting that's pretty fast they're saying 14 they mean 19 yeah they they have a drop dead deadline so with the state helping us there's a hard there's a hard deadline they'll make it we got a good contractor nice it's is that right construction that's doing yeah and you'll be on the back side of that of the top parking lot or in the front to be right up front going out onto a stero originally it was going to be on the back the new design with just the fire station it'll be on the front of the propit good very nice so there'll be some visibility there which I think a lot of visibility excellent for the fire distri the town you know give you a sense of uh pride and ownership in the in the town itself I'm looking forward to people walking by and seeing the doors open and coming in and visiting very cool that's how it should be for lunch absolutely sure bringing lunch right yeah Chief is it still your plan to keep um the the administration office until we will keep that well we have the other property over on Main Street so that we have to design and build that and then once that's done we will look our our operations at that point most likely that piece on orhe will will be sold okay but that's a nice building yeah it's paid for so we'll look at it at that time all right thanks all right thank you have a good holiday you too okay uh staff update I guess Tom you get to go next do you want to wait do you want to go as we go along or you want to do an update it's going to be fairly quick okay we're continuing with the progress with the ebike working with the Council on how they want to roll with that um I know the last meeting there was discussion about maybe breaking it apart between the beach and the sidewalk I don't know that we've had any conclusion to that but I moving forward um we did have one other incident with an ebike uh coming Southbound on going back to that discussion with Council they were Southbound on the Northbound side on the sidewalk young lady was on the bike she lost control didn't hit anybody she hit a a park bench right by the library she ended up having pretty good injury to her leg her family transported it her to the hospital we did a quick incident report um just basically that she was there and got basic information and the family transported her out we recovered the bike and brought it back to the family at the place they were staying so that's about what we have for the ebike other than that our uh Rangers are out all the time still working on the beach doing they do uh we are picking up some of the traffic stuff at the the at the direction of the council the mayor for us to try to help with traffic um in the areas where we're having some issues but for the most part we're doing uh Beach to Bay we're trying to hit everywhere down the neighborhoods as well just letting us be seen let people see that we're there and they need anything they can contact us ask questions as best we can answer them I'm sure you have to get back up because other things will come up perfect okay thank okay all right so our next discussion is about the electric bikes so we did talk about this last time one of the things that we were kind of waiting for you Dan and and Tom to come to the meeting because we didn't want to say hey we're going to do all this stuff and you're all like well we discussed it we can't do that or we can do this we can't do that one of the ideas that we came up with last time was if we're allowing the ebikes on the sidewalk if we could put some type of writing on the sidewalk that shows that there's a bike that allows bikes and people you know how you'd have a walker and a thing we don't have to divide the line up I mean or divide the sidewalk upup but as a notification for people who are visiting the island to know that there are going to be people on a bike it could be people on a bike going with you and then also an Arrow showing if you are on the electric bike you need to be going with traffic any bike you should be going to the traffic any bike right any bike anything but and then we also talked about making a discuss are there going to there used to be a rule where you could not be on your bike in Time Square do we set those same rules up for the hi trffic sidewalk areas which I would say starts around the beach well maybe a little farther than the beach bar but let's say around where um Hooters was all the in front of Lon Kai all the way down Two Times Square on the left hand side um and on the right side there's tends to be so many people walking that you see people trying to navigate their bike whether it's you know a regular bike or electric through there it's just too many people and where we say at this point on you have to walk your bike unless you're in the street and then you can ride your bike well there was some discussion at that about that at the M&P meeting on obviously there was talk about you know radaring people and the lcso has told us that's just no way to be able to do that as far as the bike markings we've we've tried to go down that road um with the county because they own the sidewalks not the town um remember when we were talking about putting them in the bike Lanes the green markings and stuff and they did the one test one by Beach Baptist there Y and then we were you know we did the ones on north of stero Boulevard and we were trying to get them so they did the test one for us and we were starting to get some ground with Lee County and then obviously the hurricane came and put everything the back so my suggestion would be for this group to put together a formal request to send to the county to ask them to do that as well as send it to the Town Council to send a recommendation that we support your your recommendation um so that way it's coming from two groups instead of just one um and then if you know Lee County Sheriff's Office wants to to help with that if they think it's a good idea I can certainly reach out to them and ask um but we would need their permission to do anything you know I don't think it's a necessarily a big cost issue it's a because I think it's a good idea you know I always think about when you're going through the airports and they've got the the moving walkway and it shows you the Stander and the Walker you know something like that the problem we've heard from the county in the past is that people I don't want to use eye fatigue but like eye fatigue people get just to repetition that's of looking at it that's why they similar to the crosswalk signals when we were originally talking about the beacons for every crosswalk they said eventually people just get numb to seeing them and they don't realize that they're there so putting them at every single one doesn't make sense so if there's a way we can do a hybrid to with them at least or maybe we do a test section I don't you know to me it makes sense to have arrows showing this is the Direction that's what that's what the Town Council had talked about because the Lee County Sheriff's Office that's something they can enforce they can see an ebik going the wrong direction on the sidewalk that's something that they they don't need a radar gun to do um so that they seem to be okay with it we haven't made a policy decision and that's sort it's going to go there's also been discussion about getting off and walking in the sections that you're talking about because the bike lane actually is the road that you're supposed to share the road um it hasn't been decided one way or another yet if we need to get data from the town for example what I would put in my proposal or our our report or to our formal request would be the number of visitors we have that it fluctuates like for example in the month of February we go from uh 3,000 residents who are using the sidewalk to 10,000 people a day these are new people who are every day that don't know our rules and so that's where I would say our eye fatigue this is new people they've never seen it they don't know the rules they don't know what we're supposed to do we've got people visiting who are renting a house that have no idea of the rules that jump on a bike and run around so would I go to the town to get like some num because I want to put you want to put some numbers in there to say this is how many people are being affected by this and that don't know so it's not we're getting the same you know it's not like me walking the street every day it's someone new every week I think if you use I think you can get data for short-term rentals I mean you could use hotel rooms from the TDC numbers got it you could use you know short-term rentals those people are always using bikes got it that would be a good starting point as far as putting a specific number on how many people use bikes I think it'll be very difficult to do no no I just want to get some facts in there but I think if you use that you know and every month we're getting more and more and more short-term rentals back so that's going to continue there's discussion how do we get the the bike companies to up their education standards or the short-term rentals do we make it a requirement that what in order to get your short-term rental license that you have to show your information that you're going to do to try to to f fulfill the laws that are required in the in the town again we just haven't made we haven't made the policy decision it's supposed to be coming back before us I think in January okay for just the specifically about the ebikes but I would start with the county when it comes to the sidewalks and potential markings and and maybe there's maybe do a little research to see if there's any other places in Lee County that they have that you know I know they have them in Naples I know they have them down in CER County but I don't know that there's any I've seen at least on the sidewalks for um for the bikes usually there's bike paths so people you don't need them but this is a little different unique you are okay and I wonder if it makes sense for us to in the recommendation almost discount the eye fatigue thing because like you said there's there's only 3,500 people on and and we're residents and we should know the rules right so we can get away with some eye fatigue but the 30 or 40,000 people that come down here from May or from January to to March eye fatigue is not going to be a thing from them so well I think it's important to stress safety you know the biggest concern I've heard with the ebikes and I'm sure you guys have as well is people don't feel safe in the narrow bike lane I mean thankful that it's there but during busy season and with all the construction we're dealing with and vehicles going back and forth I mean we've all seen that the trucks pull on the trailers that don't go around the bike lane they just drive through it or they're not paying attention in their trailer I know but I mean you you can control your car but sometimes you forget that trailer sticks out a little wide in the back and so people don't feel comfortable riding in the and maybe it's just a temporary thing until we get through major construction you know give it a couple year tests to see how it works but I would I would stress in your letter the the safety part of it because that's something that usually gathers their attention pretty good okay anytime we've had requests um before Chief worth was here we with the lenel crossing light the fire dis was very good about co-sponsoring a letter with us saying here's the data we have showing this crosswalk is dangerous and that's part of the reason we got that a good majority of the reason why we got that lenel crosswalk light Beacon down there was because the safety issues that were were reported with hard data from from the fire district the the other question we had was the R2 P2 study yeah um if that had come in um and if there's a Shear out on that that possibly this committee can take a look at and read yeah so the the final report just came out I believe was at our last meeting so it's available online there's a link that you at the town's website you can go look at that entire report um it does talk about bikes it talks about through connectivity it talks about stuff like that and potential things that could be done so I think there is something if you wanted to take a look at it that you guys could pick up and and offer suggestions especially with where we're at and trying to make connectivity for bike Lanes or for bike traffic or pedestrian traffic through the neighborhoods so they they've got some good information in there I think that you guys would would be interested in in looking at they didn't mention I remember back a while back we were talking about remember who it was that shared that it was in the the original 2017 study they did for the bike the no study that was done for the bike things then there was a picture in there of those bike racks those vertical bike racks that you could take your bike and it condensed the space and I don't know if you guys remember those it' be interested to see if those weren't in there but I I I think that would be kind of something neat that you could do along the way to have a space to they were covered if you remember they were like little covered sheds that you not sheds but it was open but it was covered so you can pull your bikes in and you put them this way instead of this way and then they lock in place so it takes up less space okay um well I'm more than happy to start something but then do I have to email everything to Jason and then everybody makes their comments on it for for a proposal for formal request I I'm not the attorney but I would suggest that would be your best okay I'll start something and then everybody can add to it yeah if you send it to Jason and he sends it out or Amy they send it out and you can better to side on the better be on side of caution okay I think crosswalk messaging is in the same boat of this um it's really just getting people to know they need stop for the crosswalk you know I know the town is looking at I've got to talk to the the town manager on it we had talked a couple months ago again that was we' given him direction to start looking at doing Aero Boulevard the Landscaping along a sto Boulevard to try to drive people to the crosswalks as opposed to just walking through the vegetation area and then Helen and Milton came so things got Sidetrack a little bit so we'll pick that conversation back up I think that could help with the crosswalks you know getting that knee high whatever something you could still see over to keep you know not what we had before I don't know that anybody like that lowline grassy weedy stuff that we had before we've got the money that we received from the county to be able to fund it to maintain it so there was talk about potentially doing trees I know they were looking at working with the Garden Club to come up with some native plants to put I think my opinion is we need to really take a look at doing something that acts as a barrier it's not just plantings to keep people from just walking out in spaces that they're not supposed to walk to drive them to the crosswalks and they'll use them so if you know of any recommendations or if you I think that would be something that this committee could do if you could get together some visual examples of places that have done that to be able to create that barrier hedge barrier to I mean if you just look at what we had on northo Boulevard before the storm that was a perfect in my opinion a perfect example it there was a sidewalk that was safely far enough away from the bike lane in the road that kept people from cutting across north of sterile Boulevard you would see them using crosswalks but you wouldn't see them cutting across most people aren't going to jump over some Hedges to cross the road they're going to go to where they they know they can go does somebody want to take that on to find some examples of uh I would just I would start with the old pictures of North Estero Boulevard you know there's a lot of good examples down in Naples they got it down there as well anybody wants to take that on we can add that to our proposal to you're just talking about barriers in the right right away right is that well you know between this the the sidewalk and the curb yeah grassy area whatever you know I think most areas is like this the right away area there was talk about putting some trees down there for some shade canopy I think is is a good thing for safety as well especially in the summer months when it's super hot having we've never had shade canopy down the ster B at least that I can remember to keep people that maybe get overheated from walking or biking a place to stop and get out of that sun a little bit so any suggest suggestions and pictures you could send up to the council as a recommendation that help ignite that conversation again to start getting that designed and I'll follow up with the town manager too to make sure that that's still one of the many things on his radar we I think we had talked about it one time putting some signage as you enter the island that reminds people that they have to yield Vehicles yield to pedestrians in a crosswalk because that's not the case in places in in Florida and maybe other places in the United States The Pedestrian has to wait for traffic to clear and then cross if there's not a if there's not a control device on our Island it's different if even without a control device if a pedestrian comes up in a crosswalk area the car is expected to yield to The Pedestrian it's the opposite of what most people are used to so if we don't tell people and again we have these what 20 30,000 visitors from all over the world World they are not going to Envision that they're supposed to stop and allow that pedestrian to cross and so it would I think there should be signage at each end of the island that says maybe during season Tom we could look at getting you know one of those digital signs like we have for when the bridge is closing might be something the town could do vehicles must yield the right way to pedestrians in in the crosswalk and I think someone would go oh that's different because it is different yeah we see it all the time people waiting at the crosswalk patiently cars just Zing right by yeah and it just I think it would just help prevent a potential problem in in the future well at least if it gets gets through to some people certainly will help yeah so I guess that's that's kind of my question is that I always thought that the law was that you the vehicles must yield to pedestrians in the crosswalk so people just standing on the curb there waiting I don't know that that's the way the law is written if you're waiting on the curb it's once you're in the crosswalk then you have to stop for The Pedestrian that that's my understanding I don't know again mren not here anymore but that's how it's been explained to me is if you've got one foot in the crosswalk then you have to yield but if you're just standing on the because there's a lot of times that as I'm driving down someone's standing there and I'll stop hey go ahead oh no no no I you know yeah okay sorry then I just continue on so I think that's the laws once you're in the crosswalk which I it probably is in most cases you have a a traffic control device you know a lighter a button or something they push and then when the light turns they they cross but when you have an uncontrolled crosswalk legally you're probably right until they enter the crosswalk the vehicle is not required to stop to stop and but we typically do just what you said I think most I mean at Le people are familiar with the island when they see when they see the family gathered on the waiting to cross we we stop and let them cross and and then The Outsiders from you know Michigan look at us like are you nuts what are you doing is it really the safest that we're different than everywhere else we I mean if if 99.9% of the country is one way and we're the other way isn't that a danger in and of itself shouldn't we kind of Bend to the way everybody's used to doing well that's what that's my point is that I believe we are the same as everybody else that you yield once you're in the crosswalk but we've all gotten used to stopping to let people go where visitors that come here don't and so that's where the hiccup occurs and the inherent danger of saying well I see this car coming but I'm going to enter the crosswalk and I know he'll stop and he doesn't because he's not anticipating you to just step out into traffic he's thinking you're going to yield to him so if you have a controlled crosswalk area that's not a problem but in these uncontrolled crosswalk areas I think I think we're we would just be wise to remind people we're and and I think the reason why we're different is because we're um you know a unique area where lots of pedestrians are are here and we don't have a lot of control like in the downtown area you got a lot of pedestrians and cars they every intersection is controlled I mean The Pedestrian crosses when the light changes here it's not like that we don't I don't think we want stop lights at every crosswalk I don't I don't it just would clutter the it would clutter the everything but I have to say we've got things now that there are certain places where the crossbox will do stop but we've got areas now particularly around Time Square and where all the construction is where people are just running out in the middle of of the street and there is no crosswalk and people are slamming brakes on um this is part of my discussion you've got the walkway that uh Margaritaville did down the stairs and it's what's nice about it is it's a nice little Meander they use the uh orange uh guiders let's call that little fence to guide the people to where the old crosswalk used to be but nobody is used to anybody Crossing there anymore because of post hurricane and so we're coming off that bridge it's pitch black and you might see all of a sudden you're on it and there's two people standing there if they I guarantee you somebody's going to get H hit one of these days because they're you don't see them and you and just to say to someone cross and well traffic will stop they're not going to stop or they do their it's so it's been close call after close call well and at night especially at that one spot right there at Time Square you can't see no matter which direction you're coming from your lights your headlights are pointing away from the inside of the curve yes so if somebody's on don't in that inside you have no chance to see them it's really bad right now there and on last meeme we had talked about putting temporary lighting since the lighting project is still underway how do we in Time Square by that construction things that we can light it up a little bit especially where there is pedestrian crosswalks where there intentionally need to be that's where you need to light it they're C they're Crossing at here's another place where Dan was saying instead of exiting the island and people tur left you've got people leaving and standing there and doing Frogger trying to cross right there that's another place where people are are running across in the middle of the day and and some traffic stops because they're used to stopping other going right by and in this area where we should have in my opinion would have been helpful to coordinate with Margaritaville if they're going to bring pedestrians down from their establishment and they built that nice little walkway wherever they take it to cross the street we should have put a crosswalk there so that we could protect the citizens crossing the street well that's what we need to put then in our request to Lee County because that's Lee County's Road right there even if it's just temporary I mean because that's temporary Direction by margar rille where that orange barrier is that takes you to the crosswalk it does go all the way it comes all the way to the crosswalk the problem is there's no one Manning the crosswalk a right B great Point you're they've got us turning this way so you don't see them at night and you don't even notice that somebody's there and a lot of times if you're going if there's nobody in front of you and you're going over the bridge at 35 miles hour all of a sudden you go yeah there's something there there's like oh my gosh there's a person there during the day yes you can see them a little bit and you're you're going a little slower over the bridge and you kind of get I think that's something that Tom just said we could we could send a request a DOT now that we're outside of turtle season lights can be can go back up there and I think you can correct me from wrong time I think you can put those lights on a timer so at a certain time of night they shut off I think that would be fantastic just so you know to the crosswalk laws are statute their state statute it's 316 and that statute requires uh The Pedestrian to be conscious of it and if it's a marked crosswalk which as long as they're marked on the ground way they don't need flashing lights and stuff uh traffic has an obligation if someone steps into the roadway that's that's how the law statute so I will I will make that letter to do and find out about trying to get some lights down great and I know that would help I think I know we're going to have lights down there for New Year's Eve and like we did last year so I have another Well since we're talking about kind of going over all this stuff when you come off the bridge with the do and I just don't know how this could work but you're walking over the bridge we've got the walkway you've got lighthouses to your left they're wanting to put some crosswalks there at the base of the bridge as per the design is there a way that we could have if you're going to let's call it the downtown district that you there's that there's that cut under the bridge that you can get there that we can use similar to the orange walkways or the orange guiders that Margaritaville used so you come over the bridge and you hook a hard left and you go back under that bridge that way do you know what I'm saying I do but that's private property to the best of my knowledge we'd have to contact Lighthouse and see if they be willing to part I see if we would like if there's something to that we could work with how cool would that be to have we direct people you want to cross or you're going to nervous Nellies or you're going to somewhere that's not to Time Square you're going that other way it's just this little Meander you come out that way and you join up the other way yeah build on that because I was looking at the exact same thing it should be part of the bridge and it shouldn't be touching the the lighthouse parking it go over it it actually could be above it and uh so I mean that's we were hoping that fot would come in and talk about that project at one point but we haven't seen them so that was an idea we um you know we're talking about in previous meetings is if you want to go straight that's fine go towards margaretville or you kind of loop down another ramp on the bridge takes you down so that you go underneath the other side so that you're not now forced to you know because if you come down bridge if you want to get over time squared now you got to stop traffic to get across how do you come down the ramp and just go around just rotate down all the way down to the lower level then swing around on to the other side so and then you're not yeah bikes aren't trying to cross the street to go to Time Square pedestrians you're directing that traffic flow how dare you apply common sense I I actually thought about that like a year ago walking over the bridge to go over to Bonita bills like if there were like spiral staircases or something because right now if you want to go from the island side to Bonita bills you got to walk all the way to to Main Street and turn around and come all the way back to it if there were just a ramp just a a a ramp or a spiral staircase that went straight down the advantage of a spiral staircase you don't have to worry about bikes just down you go till your trip but you could yeah ada8 would be a big if they had a ramp that came down I mean there's so much room under that bridge I don't know how we can propose that to F dot I mean we're trying to be smarter we're trying to make it safer yeah I don't know I thing that I saw at the base of the bridge now that they've started to do the you could see the crosswalks through it maybe you guys can correct me if I'm wrong I always thought that the drawings and the rendering showed that there was going to be plantings there to direct people to the eight crosswalks that they had but now I see the land the they're all filled with concrete what's the point of having a w people aren't going to Follow The Yellow Brick Road they're going to walk across that concrete and they're going to cut they're going to cut the corner anyway they can so I think we should reach out to fot about that because I I've always thought that the point was to direct the traffic to the crosswalk spots but if you're going to fill the whole island in with concrete cars are going to drive over it you know you're going to have people making u-turns there it's does it I don't know Tom can look into that it's just goes along with what you were saying at that that point yeah have to check the right away in that space I'll have to see what our right way is because we have control underneath the bridge that's part of our leasing agreement with fot for us having parking spaces so I have to check to see the row and see what we have in that space and what Li house owns yeah I don't know what the RightWay is from the bridge to the lighthouse I don't know either so that that would I don't know if that would fall under our agreement or if that falls under the state's agreement out that would be pretty slick especially after everything's under construction right now they have something like that I don't know that the the will attach a ramp to the bridge that's that's a whole another engineering monster or stair so but the easier R I guess would be a ramp yeah you could do a aluminum Ada ramp that's what I was thinking something simple and we test it that that would have to be a request I think coming from from the council at some point but I can I can do the initial inquiry to see what they're interested in and what they'll they'll open to add that to my request Town might be something whoever is in the weekly meeting with fot about that roundabout area maybe that's something that could be brought up in that I think it's a Thursday meeting they have yes if you need anybody from safety we can come to yeah it is common sense um okay well then we kind of talk about f. messaging I guess that goes hand in I once we get some more of these what they're doing I think the messaging comes out right now it just keeps changing every day are they going to put new sidewalk in on the Gulf side between Time Square and margarit bille super soon not soon to me what it looks like and I I've not been in the meetings with them every week so I don't know but to me what it looks like they're doing is you know we we raised the concern with them when they first started about having to use crescent in fifth and how it was going to really have an impact they said there was concerns without you know parking their trucks and doing things like that and I don't know what their schedule was but what it looks like to me is they're trying to accelerate that exit Lane they're trying to shift the traffic over to the closer to Margaritaville cuz they've got that curbing in and it looks like they're getting ready to do some work there so to me what it looks like is they're accelerating the right side the right side the Gulf side of a sterile Boulevard to be able to stop using that so we could drive dra off straight off the island instead of having to go through so I my guess is that's probably not a high priority that's why they put up the the orange markers to direct people sure I just see people they leave like go where salty crab was and then they you know it's kind of rough there and then they're going in that patch of sand as they're trying to walk the Time Square well and maybe when you're reaching out to them Tom maybe talk about barriers and directing people maybe there's some barriers that are put up to try I mean you're still going to have the people that walk out into the street and do what they're going to do but just for the most part I've seen people going across that crosswalk and trying to use and go over but now you're sending them across traffic twice right you're sending them over here and then you're moving them back maybe it'd be a better idea to talk to the county to see if we can create a orange barrier system on that side of the road to use part of Crescent Park yes or the barrier of Crescent Park to keep them on that side of the road to help stop that back and back can we just put the the mats down I mean that'd be just like the old the mats that used to go out the the access so it's a little more stable for people to walk little more St also obvious and that's the I mean people are going to walk down that instead of trudging through loose sand and it's I think this is something we can do as long as it might be just a simple phone call to the county manager to say can we use the towns right away on this side of their yeah their Crescent Park you know the Crescent Park fence could be the one side of the barrier and then put orange barriers on the other side and if we need Mobi mats to go through the grass we could certainly do that that's a great idea and then you just keep the traffic the foot traffic on that side of the road instead of making them cross twice and you do notice that with people who are older or have trouble walking on the on the Crescent Beach on the beach side a little unstable it would be nice to have well and they're working there too so it's not yeah well they keep changing you just it's shifting a little bit I get that and they were trying to be but the mats would be an easy move that's something I think and then you roll them up when we're done and yeah and you're done reuse them in another area right don't you AR you so glad you came this me time of course always okay um more notes more more work these are easy ones though these are good I think F do messaging is just everybody knows there construction I mean honestly we can't the messaging it's it's it would change monthly because every month like so it just again being as smart as we possibly can with making it easier for people to cross like we're saying the lights with the to get them across the street and be safe I mean that's really the best we can probably do right now until we hear something else I mean if we could get those messaging boards at the base of the bridge maybe along with the you know yield for people in the crosswalks you could add something about the base of the bridge expect delays you know keep your eyes open that kind of thing and in Spanish too well you're going by there I mean the message can't be too long you know true I just always say this scroll the workers on the island right now so much time to read I'm going to say 80% Spanish or Hispanic so well if they're driving they got the driver's license so they must be able to understand and read signs okay um survey we already went over or do we want to go over more on it yeah um just want to make two comments here one we we glanced over the hurricane response plan I just wanted to mention that just that of course my bad um so what I'd like to propose there is that we have something underway with the fors we talked at the last meeting that the the town has done some work and then the fire department um EOC is has this new approach um and possibly using the app um with Nicole so what I propose is that we host a meeting just talk through with the town manager Nicole um Chief worth myself if you know if I can coordinate that um and just align on what our plan is going into the next season you because we had a couple different approaches of two-way communication and you know we had some a lot of good learning from this past year but just want to formalize it because I went on to our Fort Myers Beach um website last night and it's still kind of not clear for someone to go okay here's a hurricane what do I do there's so many different links and I was just walking through that I'm like okay we need to be a little bit more um I think concise in what our messaging needs to be on the website and it should Point towards the direction we want to take so I'd like to try to close this out before the next meeting or like sometime January coordinate uh meeting just say this is what our plan's going to be and I'm messaging on the website so that's what I propose yeah I agree with you I've looked at that too and it it it's almost like it should be kind of like after the storm a demolition permit you had to go to three different spots to get three different pieces of paper at least these are all in the same area but there's really no preparation for Hurricane starts here right and then it's in a chronological order like here's what you should get ready here's what you need for your hurricane kit here's you know pay here's where you pay attention to whatever it should almost be like very simple one instead of having to go all over the place yeah well Chief worth is here we can ask him if he's willing and I think it's a great idea you can meet with yeah so in the last meeting we had talked about um our experiences um with Milton and how we had over 12200 emails in the day we were leaving the island for the storm which ended up being a good thing because everybody was concerned with us having to force entry into their homes so I I believe following up on that yeah supportive meeting if you want to do that before this next meeting you know so the next 30 days yeah I'd ask that we push it to January the year's kind of book but um but yeah we can certainly sit down and and memorialize those lessons learned from The Last Story yeah I I I could see with the information you have hurricane prep M and then you have mandatory evacuation these are two different animals and we should be able to provide some very firm guidance to people about what to do in a mandatory evacuation situation which I'm would hope would involve letting us know I'm I'm gone yes so that we don't come and yeah maybe I mean it's just listening to everybody whatever happened with Milton there was some obviously positive steps that worked because of your response time to have to respond to people was pretty minimal we were able to start to get to work pretty quickly I think does it make sense that maybe we just create a separate hurricane response website that your information's on our information is all One-Stop shop so that your server isn't getting overloaded with emails that we have more than one Department looking at keeping eyes on it saying you know you you guys are certainly extremely busy as well as our town staff after a hurricane the more eyes you can get on something does it make sense to to create a link that goes directly to you know websites are very easy to design these days it's something that could be one link on each of our websites that that link takes you to the website where all that information is is categorized very easily with the app whatever we need to do if you want to send the email here's the link to you know send this is where I'm going to be or I'm leaving or I'm not leaving I think that would that would really clean some things up but sounds like you guys are going to have a meeting and I would I would suggest if we do this we include County Emergency Management yes um because if if we're talking about it Santa Belle's probably talking about it Captiva and all the other Islands so um whatever comes up um the county has a lot of resources as far as databases go and their arcgis platform so um they those folks are great we work with them all the time they build apps on the Fly you know sometimes same day when we come up with an idea wow so um I would say involving County Emergency Management would be key to to getting something that works for everybody is there that us communicate with the sheriff and everybody else and share that data okay is there a way that I could be included on that or us being together cause a problem I well I mean you could do it at meeting I mean you could call a special meeting if you wanted to and that way you would have all the legal re go to the EOC at one point in time and then there was a problem with all the going together so I I really want you have to I mean or you could talk to the clerk they can advertise it that you're going to be there that it's going to be I think that's we just advertise it let it know that have a meeting but yeah I'd like to I'd like to jump in on that would it be worth adding it onto the back of this meeting next month that would make sense yeah we can do that that gives us a full month to to spool up for it we just have regular meeting and have this and it's public you guys can all be here together why the chief right part of the issue the EOC meeting was too just remember that had to be open to the public right so um that was the issue that they couldn't open the entire facility to the public just for the fact that they were working facility and they couldn't have 911 being tied up with tours at that point so that's what kind of shut down with you guys going with it because that would have to bring the public in as well um I guess we can try to work on that but I know there was conversation at that we that the uh emergency operation that we did at the about marking doors and stuff like that we came back and forth to that so that could be something we can speak about next time too as having the having this set up with the website so do we need to we just need to let who do we need to let know that we'll add it to the back of this meeting should I just add it to the agenda all right I'll let we'll tell Jason January 22nd y would be the date I'm G have you and you're gonna have Jason then reach out to the county and the the county sheriff's office as well so everybody's on the that got it tell me exactly I want you to email Jason the next chief we have a fireboard meeting scheduled for the 20 so that's 22nd at the same time did we not is it the 21st or the 22nd oh there's we've got a town meeting on the 21st and and the fireboard has a meeting uh at the same time as the public safety meeting on the 22nd moving next months to a Wednesday have to got it I think yeah we have it on 2 it's their fault that's because Monday is is a holiday Monday is Mark Luther King day so Keenan and I won't be here for Public Safety on 22 because we'll be at the fireboard meeting if you want to do this next month is is possible to move this meeting we can move our meeting maybe we'll make a up you have to move to the 23rd check with Amy you're going to have to check with the scheduling here for that I didn't realize this meeting was moved to Wednesday next month thank you 23rd's pretty open but I don't know what the town's calendar looks like so what's that Thursday I don't have anything on mine but I don't I don't have anything on mine Thursdays are usually MMP meetings for us but we don't have it ours is at the beginning of the month not the third week so all right so I'll get her after this and ask her propos is the January 23rd the only I don't have my next month calendar updated for the TDC that could be the only potential conflict I I have but I don't necessarily have to be here I can always watch just ask if when Jason's put this together to get it out sooner than later time if there's any preor that we're going to do before the meeting all right I'll grab them after this meeting great I'll stuff out okay um okay so that was that was for Hurricane response um the last piece was a survey um last meeting we just talked about it for anyone watching um surve that was conducted in May there was um a few questions that we were all going to think about um as far as moving forward with some type of ownership and seeing if anyone has interest in leading kind of a a subcommittee underneath some of these uh one question was around feeling informed about what is happening to improve safety on Fort Meers Beach so this is more about marketing um what are the things that we're doing to improve um the response there was like 60 to 40 so only 40% of people know what's happening so we thought that was an area of and I didn't know if anyone uh was interested in taking that one on I can work with POI or Pi um then there is second one know how to report Public Safety findings that was low as well even though we had on the website it shows report a concern people just don't know to go to the website and click on that so that's part of the marketing as well um willing to participate in neighborhood watch programs so that was low it was 30% said yes we have it already I think we've got neighborhood watch and I know the the neighborhoods that have wanted to be on it have been on it okay any way to formalize that well comes there's a way I think it's on the website right now if you want to be on if you want a neighborhood watch I mean again that's marketing and let them letting them know um I'll talk to we'll go from there um I'll handle the marketing part and then there was just one action that I had after um Jim had asked a question about the prioritization of what people said in their open comments and um what we learned was that 46% said lighting was a priority and that they had open comments of improving lighting 46% half the people over 300 um response 379 responses 46% of them said lighting lighting lighting um so I know that project's underway I went digging through the website I did find kind of this graph of what's happening in the plans um I'm an engineer and I'm trying to work through like exactly what they're doing so I think for general population that might be a little bit complicated I'll just say okay where are they going to be at a certain point and and and maybe it's not even update updated so I wondering if we can do something simple on the website just to communicate where it's going above ground and where are we now and and just have you know just an easy way to track the progress because half the people are saying we want lighting where is this project and then we need to be a little bit more proactive and and sharing hey we're making progress look at you know we're at this street and you could just show like little green dots making its way down the island of like okay this is where we are now so just a like going back to the marketing and Public Safety these are the things that our Town's asking for and the more we could be proactive in sharing that um the better we would be so that was the that was mostly half the people um 21% police presence in enforcement on and off the beach a lot of comments about speeding um that was one of the things that should have mentioned earlier with uh tenant here was that yeah there was a lot of comments about yeah great we see him on a stero but we don't see anyone in the back streets um so police presence in the back streets as well as a stero was important as well as um definitely Rangers on were welcomed on the on the um beach side they appreciated that they just like to see more of it so that was 21% um the rest of the numbers 6% on the crosswalks they really like the blinking lights around crosswalks or just lights where the crosswalks are um 8% on bike Lanes 2% on sidewalks and sidewalk repairs uh 4% on traffic and 12% other um other included like homeless people um and other um jaywalking those types of things so just to give you some stats behind all the open comments that we received um but predominantly police presence and enforcement on and off the beach um and definitely lighting can I throw something on the enforcement thing I just did a length of the island bike ride yesterday day before um and just between SE grape and uh Publix going down heading South I had to go out into the traffic lane because there were not road construction but private construction vehicles parked half the truck filling the bike lane the other half of the truck filling the our sidewalks you can't go up and down this island without seeing that a dozen times and I mean it's like the wild west down there sometimes soon as you get past sear grape it's like you can do whatever you want I to speak to that we we've upped our enforcement on the sidewalk parking uh for the safety of the bikes but also ADA requirements so the sidewalks have to be have to be clear so we I matter of fact when they just saw me talked to my Ranger she just got tasked to hit the South End again so that was part of her call for service her first call for service to hit the stero all the way up and down clear the sidewalks and we write Summit we move them if we can get them on the private property or we rate tickets just so you know and Theo is also on that we've I I spoke to Commander L I spoke to Lieutenant Chitwood and they are also enforcing that as well so it's become an issue in the past couple weeks where it's gotten even worse yeah and with all the people that are heading down here in a couple of weeks for the next three months we're attacking the construction workers for the most part that's who it is I saying addressing we're addressing the situation sorry it's a background enlightening um it it uh we are dealing with it we are being uh we're addressing it more aggressively right now uh just for the safety issue as you speak just I just want you to know that we are we are working on that with the as well yeah because it it I don't remember yet seeing a a ranger cart or an lcso car at any one of these doing anything okay so it I know it's hit and miss but to never once see in the last couple of months a single incident of somebody trying to do something about it leads one to believe there's not a whole lot being done about it I got it by all means and in the last two weeks we have it up just very clear okay great that's good news okay um before well member items I guess we've got this new item that someone handed out but I don't know how to read it it's kind of sort of mine from the last meeting talking about money talking about money because all this stuff is lots and lots it's all good stuff but it all costs money um so a couple months ago after we first started talking about this I just went online and I found this website which lists all sorts of available funds to incorporate into a community which wants to drive bicycle traffic okay and I think you know given everybody's complaint is about automobile traffic one way would be one way to alleviate a lot of that is put people on bicycles but you got to make it safe so that includes signage and painting and all sorts of stuff and I've just learned today that the county is involved with the sidewalks cuz it seemed like a fort Meers Beach thing that we would stripe sign whatever along the sidewalks ride left walk right like the airport walkways like that so getting the message out there how do we get that money it's right here and I I think what we need to do is when we looking at doing this formal request because that's what we're talking about we need to write the paperwork write that up and then we need if we can get a few more maybe pick and choose a there is a lot of data but if we could pick two or three things that go hand inand with what we're talking about this formal request such as crosswalks for pedestrians for pedestrian Refuge Islands new or retrofit encouragement of Education activities um for safe access I mean there's certain ones in here that we could um awareness programs painting it's listed on here right maybe we say these are two that we've highlighted are three and where you find them is this and they have staff there that goes and looks for Grants or whatever we could say you know these are some places where you can get well the the financial the purpose of I putting this to and and bringing this here anyway is because if we're going to write the county whether it's commissioner Mica or anyone else at the county level to and they're going to come back with well it's not in the budget who's going to pay for right it's money right here and we get ahead of that in an email or for with the County Commission go well funny you should mention that because there's money right here I think just my suggestion is I would go through is reading through this which ones pertain to exactly what you're talking about the bicycles and then drill down on each one of those as to what are we actually eligible for so instead of looking at two pages are we really looking at just three potential grants that we could be going for that's what I was thinking because that's something because if if you send this to the county oh I know we're they're they're they're going to put it over here with we'll get to that in a bit you know oras if you have three specific links saying here potential funding opportunities that we have done the work on shown that we we qualify for those we meet the requirements now that takes away the question that you said Kieran about how are we going to pay for this right but we can't and most of this stuff like the painting of the sidewalks and it's it's not expensive it's it's in the grand scheme of things it's it's fairly I mean and it's things that maybe could be used used we'd have to talk to the finance department but maybe short-term rental fees could be allocated to that maybe it's something from parking fees that could be allocated to that it's I think there's an opportunity for the town to be able to to pay for some minimal things like the markings if we need approval from the county to say go ahead and do it right which they haven't given us to this point so that's why you don't see the green markings up and down why don't we just ask for forgiveness after that doesn't always work especially especially when you're asking for something down the road they they've been the county has been very very good in the past at least as long as I've been involved with helping us any way that we can and any request that we can we've talked to them about lighting especially in that stretch right there on a stero Boulevard that we talked about at the curve the issue is with right away there's a getting power there to get I mean it's going to be part of the overall lighting concept once it's done but temporary to be able to go in and temporarily do something you got there's a bunch of legal beagle stuff you got to do with the land owners to be able to use their property to be able to put light poles on and it it's it's not as easy just even putting a temporary light out there that you're going to fire up from sun rental it's it's it's a lot of legal beagle stuff which doesn't mean it can't be done it's just you're talking about it's not as easy as just setting it up in the backyard and turning it out to to speak to lighting too to be very clear I know that's a big concern for Citizens so you'll see lighting poles that are damaged since the hurricane end something down the town manager had ordered us to do a a survey I'm assum it came from the council we did a survey of all the broken lights that was taken we did it with code and Rangers and that was sent to fpl so that they have that list of those damaged lights just so you know with their with their poll numbers and everything else so it's something that they have to square away on the steroid at least well the ones that are hanging precariously I think should be addressed pretty darn quick those those are the major ones we sent we sent that out I think a month ago now that was sent to them by the town manager I haven't been all the way up and down the island I don't know have they been repaired or if they not all of them they they had fixed a couple and there's still some hanging there's still some laying on the ground so I I I know that there's probably a massive task order that they had in the whole thing but we did send that to them about a month ago Ken why don't you go through this and you try to dial down a little more based on what I mean it's kind of a common sense what we've been saying and then we can co-mingle it with what we're doing on our formal request okay we'll do that's your job okay um copy that any other member items let's start with member items or reports well I'll start I'll start out here um i' especially with Dan being here um is there any movement towards the town we have a beach seven miles long up and down we're trying to get people off the roads and use their bicycles especially coming up now at season coming in and um want to go up and grab a dinner or something it'd be nice to uh use pill assisted ebike on the hard pack Beach were is there any movement at all to to start to allow that at all well the conversation kind of there again it hasn't been voted on yet but the conversation was at least my understanding of it was it was to allow them on the sidewalks but not on the beach there was a lot of there was some push back from council members that didn't feel it was a good idea to allow them on the beach so at this point I don't know that that's going to happen again when we talk about it hopefully in January we can revisit it but at the M&P it didn't sound like there was a lot of positivity about having them on the beach yeah it's just it's we have all this stuff we want to paint the sidewalks we want to do this we want to do that and we've got a beach that's just sitting there that um you know the majority of the people people would be safe and and uh uh ways to uh allow residents to be able to say say as a resident I pay $25 to the town I get a a marker on there I'm riding up and down the beach um rental places say they they you know they wouldn't have that so then you the Rangers would know who is a resident who's not I guess that's my main thing is it's just looking for the residents to be able to get around the island during season on an ebike um easier I think if that's something that I don't disagree that that's not a that's not a bad idea at all I think if it's something that you put together and you bring it to the council as a recommendation that has a lot more weight than me just saying this is you know this is what we talked about if you make a formal recommendation then it has to be addressed right not that it doesn't if you bring it up but if you have done the work and you think it's going to be safe and that's your your your task as this committee and you bring it forward as a recommendation then we'll we'll talk about it's it has not been voted on so it's not that it's not going to happen I'm just telling you there was at least one council member that said they were a hard no on allowing the bikes on the beach so okay but it doesn't mean it's not going to happen yeah because I know we've talked about it over over and over again and it just like just kind of lingers out there and the conern the concern was mostly around children you know children aren't paying attention and if they're down on vacation and the parents are sitting there and the kids get up and take off running that you know might not be the fault of the ebike person who's doing exactly what they're supposed to be doing say you're allowed to ride in the hard sand the four or fiveyear old child doesn't know that right and if they come running and you're zinging by it 20 miles an hour that was what the that was the big safety concern so which I I think we all understand we we all get that point exactly the same safety concern when you're using a regular bicycle as well you know so that was that was brought up as well yeah there are people that can bike pretty fast without without an electric bike but you you know as as we've all talked about there people that need pedal assist to be able to to be able to you know ride even on the hard pavement yeah to be able sometimes the wind you see it's not easy sometimes amazing is so flat but just a little bit of a wind and yeah the pedal assist helps so yeah there's I know you know there's different classifications of bikes there's and and I think sanabel has different rules for different classification of bikes but again they have a police force we do not so enforcing something is going to be very difficult to do but doesn't mean they couldn't put restrictions on it you know class one bike or whatever that you have to pedal or there's no electric assist so if someone's just cruising down the the beach and their feet aren't moving you know that's probably not the right classification of a bike that's supposed to be on the beach and and code enforcement can stop them and say you need to get out to the beach right I think that's everything I'm hearing if it's something that you can visually see where you don't have to radar gun things you don't have it's not subjective right it's something that you can physically see I could see a guy going down the sidewalk or going down the beach without pedaling doing 20 miles an hour I know that's not a pedal assist bike we get win but not that much win all right so I still up for discussion it's still up for discussion y okay that's all I got and then when it's on the agenda obviously being a Committee Member you're more than welcome to come out and speak in public comment if your committee members give you the authority to speak on their behalf then you could certainly do that doesn't have to be necessarily a formal letter but you can speak just as a resident either way all right thank you um do you we have an idea time wise when we might begin to see additional lighting up on a stero Boulevard up and down the whole street talking about I I know this didn't help me no it doesn't it it it doesn't to when we might actually it doesn't it does we you know we can only update as we get updates from I want to I I believe most of the underground conduit work is done along a stero Boulevard and what you'll now start seeing I think Ron close to your house you see they're putting up the bases right there's like a where the the lights are going to sit so you know obviously the underground work goes first and they put the bases in then they test the electric then the pole goes on then the light goes on so it's not going to be all underground work then all bases then all lights or poles you know it's you're going to see different stages of it from the south to the north I haven't been by by your place to see if they've got the bases in there yet the bases are not in yet they just the wires are sticking up and now they're going in to put the connection boxes in the connection boxes are there yeah just the concrete base for the poles not not there yet yeah so it's to answer your question no I don't have that they say that they're still on schedule there was an issue I haven't gotten an update this week yet with um fdp was was giving FPL a problem we we sent it off to um our Representatives up at the state to help push from the top down they did get a response fairly quickly that way so they addressed the questions again that they had through fdp but as of this week I haven't gotten an update that that part of the permit is is signed off on okay but I I'll I'll make sure I get with Andy this week and get something out on the website either through the Pio to give an update as to how what percentage of the work is done are we still on schedule what are the dates you're still shooting for so that at least people have an idea I know it's hard you keep saying it's coming right it's what's going to happen first the pi of the lights it's it's uh it's coming a lot of the underground work that's being done obviously you don't until you see it coming out of the ground you don't realize that it's being done but all the infrastructure workers is going on obviously we all know the the water leak that happened they that that was caused by the contractor doing the lighting work along a stereo Boulevard board a hole through the water main and caused that that heck of a mess we had there on bayar Bay View whichever it was there but most of the drilling on the bay side of the road or on both so there there's actually on the website and I'll see if I can get them to share that link it's a much better map than that it'll show you exactly where every light pole is going to go on both sides the crosswalks now they may move a little bit depending on like for instance there's one if you look at the master plan that they their permit plan that they have there's a light pole right in the middle of the entrance to margaritaville's pool obviously that's going to have to move right but they just look at the street as a whole they do their photo photometric study how are we going to get that one foot candle of coverage from sidewalk to sidewalk this is where we need a pole now again that one's going to have to move and there's going to be instances where they're going to have to move a little bit in One Direction or the other but I don't I think it's 60 some pages it shows you the side streets it shows you everything on there that you can see okay here's my street I know where I'm going to have poles so the new lighting is likely to appear on both sides of the street it will be on both sides of the street yes um because there was actually two designs again the the county agreed before the storm to illuminate the crosswalks so they had to have their own design for the crosswalks and their own permitting for the crosswalks it's still FPL in their contractors doing the work and then we took over and with through the state Appropriations we did the entire rest of the Boulevard and the side street so there were two two projects technically going on at the same time that they had to kind of marry together so yes there'll be lights on both sides of the street um they will be shielded they'll be Amber if you want to get an idea of what it's going to look like just go to Margaritaville Crescent Street light at night that's that's essentially what you're going to see it's those those are eight bulbs versus six bulbs but if you want want to see exactly how the stero Boulevard is going to look like that's a pretty good example of what you're going to see from sidewalk to sidewalk down the entire Island and anybody that's driven through there I mean yes it's Amber no it's not pretty it's definitely not you know what I think the fire department and or the police department would like to see but because of where we live that's a requirement that we have to we have to do so we did meet the the Florida Department of transportation's Safety needs with the wet foot candle and it did meet the Environmental standards um again I've never been an Amber fan it's ugly Light it's not pretty but it it's it it does provide the safety that's needed through F dots requirements to be able to illuminate the back of the sidewalk to the back of the sidewalk so go take a look at it if you haven't had a chance most people aren't down there at night but when the traffic congestion is done just take your your bike ride down and take you you'll you it's it's illuminated it's pretty bright okay and if you have a really strong stomach you can drive down by CVS 7 and Santini Plaza at night everything is red and yellow and that's all that that's from the store over there right the store is pretty red yeah that's it store their choice of color oh I don't think it was their choice I think it was the requirement but no it was maybe a different color of amber I mean or a different Amber I've ever seen it is very red yes we we have we've got the more yellow Amber that we put up during Turtle season cuz we're just up the street from them and I I mean you look down there and it's very red very red it sticks out you know where you know where the gas station is yes you do you can find it Well I I left the message with Chad because they they boarded through our irrigation system the other day and now every time it comes on it fills their box up with water and the FPL contractor yeah yeah so I we'll get a hold of them and have them come back out and take a look at it yeah it's and anybody that's been around boring knows it that that's things like that are going to happen I mean things aren't where they were supposed to be or they didn't get mapped out right or you know things happen is never where it's supposed to be you don't say okay that's all I had thank um just one one build was um we did talk about F Dot and said there's someone from the town actually goes to meetings on Thursdays is any way we could have that person give us an update our next January 22nd or 23rd meeting doing those meetings right now I was not ask I I I don't know I'd have to get with Andy I'll I'll ask him who's been sitting on those meetings or if they have been sitting on the meetings okay but I know I want to say it was Thursday don't hold me to that they and they maybe they have changed it but they were they had a production they have a production meeting every week to give updates as to where they're at I'll check with Andy and I didn't know if Tom was on it or not but it sounds like he was not so okay I'll ask him who is sitting in on these meetings if or who isn't but if they have I I'll ask them to come and give an update okay that'd be great that's all I have I didn't I was going to keep moving but I quick question do we have uh are we still tearing down buildings uh we' got they're on the docket and everything we've got some new ones coming down because I know there's they are part of the meeting uh the Town Council so I probably going to let the mayor speak to that a little bit but from the code side and the building department side we are still moving forward on red tagging good we have the council just signed in the appell uh the appeals process for some of that which was a needed needed leg to move forward with some of this which now brings it back to the Magistrate and to the county for appeals um we have matter of fact Neptune to speak of that just this morning we spoke to the health department about that and they were here yesterday in the meeting and they said that they're going to move forward with their own demo here in the next two weeks I fa he said correct well they yeah he said to expect it to be nice clean pristine ground by the end of the first quarter of 2025 so they were pushing it to make wind you want me to take that one I I will so that's a big one everybody they we were we understand from what yesterday we were told that they have hired their own demolition company they we have gone through the process to be able to do it ourselves um I believe the attorney said and I I believe I specifically asked 30 days from yesterday if it's not down the town does have the authority to go in and tear it down we've already received a price to do that so trust me we all hear you and it's if it's not gone in 30 days you'll see bulldozers awesome it's coming down one way or another it needs to okay well so you're on top of every else I'm not going to bring up any of the other ones so yeah we we've been on all of them Windam was one we've been working on for months uh we had good coordination and and we thought we had good cooperation from the owners in that facility and then that kind of they stepped back a little bit they did what we asked initially to make the building safe and the thought process that they were going to bring it down sooner than later and that didn't happen so progress to the other side perect and uh we're moving forward on that so that the Neptune was the next one that was going to be having that happen so exactly enough's enough most have come into compliance since we've we've started the process the I mean we haven't had to take one down yet the closest one I think was the tropical that was the we were I think a day away from from our bulldozers being in there they took it down themselves the property owner on that did not take that serious to be very clear until we went through this process process and said we're going to do it and it's going to be attached to you as a bill from the town right and um then that seemed that seemed to start the fire and they got it done which was great my guess is I haven't seen any of the quotes but my guess is it's probably cheaper to do it yourself yeah than have the government come and do it for you and attach it to your tax bill exactly most people don't like seeing that letter saying that it's going to be attached to your tax bill awesome I'm glad okay that was all my only thing everything else we talked about um all I have is the grant proposal sheet that I put forth and got my work cut out for me thanks nothing all right Dan anything not that I can think I think we covered most of it today I know I already got some marching orders um public comment nothing next meeting agenda I will go talk to Amy about the date we'll email everybody and check your times and that's it meeting I'll in favor the meeting make a motion to adjourn the meeting I'll make it someone second all in favor