um it's uh 7:31 shall we uh start the meeting y yes yes good idea all right uh let me get my agenda up so the first thing is going to be the minutes um there's several things in the minutes that need to be added and I thought I already um sort of doctored these up doctored up a set put you know put the names in and stuff oh sorry it's okay I think um I think I have uh I I I I saw that there was a couple things like the couple things that were blank and everything like that um so I I I wrote and um I changed that already but I haven't had a chance to send you the new because I just got the new copy of the minutes okay in because you okay I'm sorry go ahead go ahead I was just going to say that like all the stuff that was at blank at the top and that's all filled in now oh good okay yeah um the um the only thing that I I sort of there was one thing I didn't actually understand and that was at the end when it talks about the parcels there was a number um oh shoot what uh hold on I'm sorry I'm just trying to get my screen to work right and that was um it said 49 Parcels or something like that at the end uh let's see um for May are was that the May minutes I kind of feel like I remember doing that before with the the parcel I sent you that I did change it before I we sent it to the website posted on the website so that verbage was changed but I think that was on may not June it was it was about The Preserve yes and I had acreage but the verbage was corrected but do you want me to email oh you know what it's not it's item number six um on the June minutes okay new business yes commission proposes 49 Acres owned by the township to be considered and I just didn't know what the 49 Acres was we don't have yeah all this says something about community daying at May was dis too many people talking at once I couldn't get that it's that's maze minutes about the 49 Parcels the our our June one says Community day was discussed inventory is to be taken of handouts and dis and display signage oh that was that was that was June's minutes for uh for number six I think Candice is going to well the minutes that I got I'm sorry say the minutes that I have say June 24th and and they looks like they are from what you're telling me there's a mment well they have they have three zone two zoning board and one planning board application I'm not um yeah yeah okay old one open up the new one I just sent you yeah let me let me um I just I just sent it to Suzanne as well yeah okay I'll try did you get did you the new minutes I'm opening that now just to see hold on for some reason I managed to knock off my email when I was looking at trying to open the zoom um meetings oh boy not actually looks like they're here gee where everything's so slow okay we can come back to it yeah we can no I have it open now all right uh okay oh new business Community Day you're right I don't know why that was in there that's really funny okay well fine um well that's the correct copy yes now it's correct okay for some reason I had one that had something different under new business okay um fine thank you and I see that you know the name that were put in yes so okay should I I'll make a has anybody want to make a motion rather to I don't know if you want to change bill being a member oh right um Suzanne do you know if Bill is a a member or is he an alternate I feel like alter an alternate okay he's we've been this yes yeah yeah can I make a suggestion about the I think they should there should be commas between the names because they kind of will run together um and okay all right I make a motion we approve them a second all right but it's correct uh Bill's in in the ultrat U category and obviously we have well we have two me Members absent last month yeah is Jeffrey on tonight uh no okay okay uh guests we have Roger dur um does the guest want to bring anything up at all before we move on okay all right um and uh after that we have emergency response man report there was none I emailed um I can't think of his name already Chris Matt Matt yeah I emailed him and uh and he said there was uh nothing um and applications there's nothing so we can just move right along um uh so old business um first one would be we'll go Piney Hollow um I know that uh our Piney Hollow funding is hit a snag so I don't know if what we want to if we want to talk about what to do if if there's anything to do about it or well does Mark have any suggestions I think Mark is there right Mark you're there yes yes yes I'm sorry I have to close these minutes you want to ask a has anything to say about it yeah um I wondered if if he had any so I'm sorry I can't hear should be voted you were the only not to take yes the table means just to postpone to the next meeting it doesn't mean that it's rejected um so that's where we're at I know that uh it's a lot of money and I think that's the motivation behind some of the people want to take a second look at it is even though the state's matching it we still are putting forth $161,000 so not very much for a park opinion I think the uh seven years is is long enough to have uh reviewed this issue and decided so if we are not going to act on it in September and U well you also have to understand is seven years ago nobody that was is currently on that committee was on the committee when this project started doesn't make any difference it's a commitment by the township you submit an application you get a grant awarded and if you don't use the money you're not going to ever get any from that agency of the government again so you know it seems to me like for that amount of money taken out of an open space fund anyway which we sitting there that there's really no there's really no excuse there's no excuse for this not happening it's absolutely outrageous it's all that's the only thing I can say I agree it's hard to hold down my Fury well the money just to let you know the money currently cannot be taken from the open space why oh that's not true that is not true Mark I just sent the stuff off to the solicitor for God's sake pass an ordinance if that's what he says has to H have happened and didn't in the past and in any case the money has been used for everything I have documents showing it being used for football fields for all kinds of stuff so far so the president exists and honestly if the C Township can't get its act together about the use of the money it's totally totally outrageous again in seven years you couldn't have figured this out honestly I don't care who was on committee I I really don't and I think that our solicitor is just not helping us so I sent him the original referendum and the original resolution documents that show that have the wording so there's absolutely no question that this money can be used for open space Farmland historic preservation and Recreation the money has been used for improvements to recreational Fields already for sure um let's not this is just getting it's just getting pretty ridiculous so all right well I mean the way the resolution is written currently we cannot withdraw funds or anything can we pass who made that resolution the 90s I believe so late 90s or early 2000s I had an extensive conversation with r travel in about this because I think he's been looking into it and I think that's the dates that he gave me like it might have passed the referendum like 99 they did the resolution in 2000 or 2001 well they did the resolution right after the referendum that's not the issue that they apparently were supposed to pass an ordinance and they may not have done so I do not have any record of the ordinance and theive what I'm sorry the ordinance was not passed toite no ordinance was passed back then is that what you're saying no from what I understand it was done by a resolution not an ordinance yeah but the resolution I think is a standard thing and then I and then if there's a need for an ordinance or was a need for an ordinance I don't have a record of that but there was a resolution it says the same thing as the referendum it just lists that they can be used how the money can be used and lists the same things you want to see copies of it should I send it to everybody on the township committee I just I sent it to I don't think that that's an issue Suzanne I mean I I know that was a a reason why it was tabled or potentially reason but I think regardless they're going to make whatever Corrections need to happen with that I I don't think that's the reason why it's being held up then what's the reason being re held up well I mean frankly it's because certain individuals I don't want to name names without them being here go around and cause a lot a lot of problems for a lot of people and those are the people that they need to pass certain things and that's the reason why it's being held up what why are they making what we're talking about no no no no I just in the commun in general I mean I mean that's you know I'm not saying that's a fact but and what are these individual unamed individuals saying that well I mean you got you have people that go around that you know contact the State D on a regular basis you know trying to turn people turn the Township in for not for non-compliance on certain things um I understand there somebody that that called the d uh you know complaining um that the township wasn't acting quick enough to pass thise resolution that just recently passed so I mean I think it's probably a continual ongoing thing so um I don't see what that has to do with it I don't see what that has to do with it Jason it has everything to do with it because the people approved the funding are the same people that these individuals are going after and and constantly ratting out to the state all the time oh on be a someone side I think rting rting out is a rather strong so it's out fight I mean somewhat I I would assume oh my gosh oh we gota put that on Facebook that out no this is just this is just my assumption you know I mean based on information that you know people said to me in passing you know I mean I see so we we know that we know Township committee does not like to have criticism come down from the state on the other hand if they are doing things that are either not what should be done or doing something contrary to the regulations then then they deserve it on the other hand it's if you what you're talking about is something that's a personal dislike and resentment perhaps that has absolutely nothing to do with Township parks well I'm not even say that it's a conscious decision but I'm telling you is that when when you constantly do that like if I constantly you know walk it's not it's not constant anyway first of all it's only been a few incidences of it and in most cases they were quite merited and most of the time it's trying to find information about it which which township committee doesn't care to listen to so that's part of the problem right there however that is an individual problem that still has absolutely nothing to do with deciding that you're going to not act on a state Grant from D that will prevent this town from getting future ones that's the issue right there I'm not that's the issue I'm telling you to look at the reality of the situation I don't I don't accept that I I don't accept that because that is really Petty that is petty and stupid that's a stupid action whoever is U opposing this um I think it's because well I'm not even going to go into it I'm just a it just not an acceptable action by the township to take seven years to act on a grant that by by not acting on it threatens any future monies that's as simple as that plus it's one of our Parks we have two parks two parks of any substance the others are the other two are just little tracks for people to run around on and we can't take care of them we can't take care of either of them or not taking care of either of them I think it's you know pretty outrageous well I mean you can choose to understand it or not understand I mean I'm not you know and again this speculation on my part I'm not saying this is factual but it seems pretty obvious when you look at it what's going on but um yeah and so we're understood well yeah that that example yeah that could apply to so what are we supposed to do now for the mayor oh I don't think we're supposed to do anything you know I mean at this point but um but I think that that's you know a driving force I mean it wouldn't matter who it was you know what I mean so you know so it was nobody they would have already no what I'm saying is is that you know if if you constantly like if I saw every time I saw Evan I went up to him I clocked him right in the face you know what I mean that's a ridiculous example that's a totally inappropriate analogy I don't know why you guys are coming face come on I'm just the one that that's stating the obvious fact that you guys apparently can't see like I don't think it's that we can't see I think it's that we don't accept it and I don't accept the your it's it's suggests that people sitting on Township committee are children in their response and as opposed to mature rational people making the best decisions on behalf of the township I don't think we should discuss this anymore because I think it's a waste of time either they're going to do it or they're not going to do it if they do it fine we'll go ahead we'll get an altered Trail and some other amenities at at one of our biggest and nicest Parks or the biggest and nicest part and uh if they don't do it then we just lose funds in the future and that's that's the outcome and that's the result can that money be moved to a different location or no oh no it cannot and why why would Green Acres um not give us additional monies in the future if we didn't use this money because why should they we tied up their money for seven years it's they're sitting on the money they're buing it and we're not using it so why if we come back again next year and we say well we would really rather do this we would really rather that you fund a police car or they're not going to do that of course we would really rather that you pay for um an ice skating ring repair um why should they give us the money why would I mean it's the same example you just used that would be very Petty that would be very Petty and spiteful on the part of they have they have policies they policies that you can look up and read or find out about by talking to their staff and it's simply not worth their time to deal with it a Township that doesn't use the money the way it pledged to use it so you know why should they why should they respond positively to a future Grant application when this one that they awarded was not utilized the way we said it would be why should they I I don't know any funer any funer anywhere who's going to come back and give you money again after that it's not a matter of they being petty they have policies why should they waste it they have there's a lot of competition for the grants well I think if the if the project didn't move forward for a reason outside of uh you know the control of the the committee or or someone else um well I I mean that does seem I mean that if you went back and said look unfortunately we weren't able to to come to terms on this uh this project you I mean we apologize you know we've held you up I mean we we' never come on come on a fun why would a funer care that we apologize because we couldn't do it because uh we never were will I mean this has been upside down in backwards it's gone through every possible amili oration it could it already was scaled way back in the first place that's why it had to go to the pyland commission again then that got approved then there was more talk about it then supposedly they put it out to bid now they've come up with an excuse pertaining to the use of the open space fund um frankly you know they simply don't want to do it and I really don't know why because it is our largest and most important Park and it is a beautiful place and people really do like going there when they can you just can't get through very well because you have to walk through a ton of water until the trail is moved frankly I mean they put the they put it on the agenda it was going to be approved in a meeting um so I wholeheartedly believe that they had every intention to approve it so I would go back and look and see what changed from the time that they put it on the agenda and the time that they voted to table it and baren and what occurred apparently I was not there so I don't know Apparently one Committee Member said I don't know enough about this right right but that it's his responsibility to know about it if it was on the agenda so I don't the reason was it not coming out of the open space fund and us having to increase our budget which we called a lot of flag for and then $161,000 was coming directly out of the budget if we did not pass that ordinance to bring it out of the OB space fund that was the reason I was given yeah you can choose to leave that or choose not to believe that but you're asking for reasons that's the reason I was given you're talking about their mattion we have to I mean the state is giving us $161,000 the way it's written now but that's still a bill to us for $161,000 it's a matching matching Grant yes and you can say it's a obligation of the town if you'd like but the fact that when this project was developed none of the current people on committee I believe were I don't think it makes any difference the township is an entity I don't think difference that you're asking for to vote for $161,000 for a project that they didn't green like oh come on Mark that's ridiculous the township makes this commitment when it asks for the money from you know it was approved to do it at the time to submit the application the township was happy about it you change people in governance all the time that doesn't mean that that the government itself in the township don't don't have a commitment um you know that's I I don't think that that holds water at all I'm sorry let's well there a history Township Suzanne there was Grant I so there's a history of that that exact thing happening you know if you recall the administration changed a while back and they there was Grant monies that they sent back to the the the federal government that were earmarked the complete improvements that marit of the Farms so um things do change when administrative administrations change unfortunately well I don't know the circumstances there so I have no idea whether they've made it you know they asked for money for a certain thing and then I have no idea what the what the deal was with that so I can't speak to it that there's precedent for it but I mean I I deal with fundraising and have for years and to me no fun is going to fund you again and that's the important message here so no funer that you do this to is going to want to fund you again so that's that's that let's not talk about it let's go on to something else sounds good were there any plans this evening no none oh that's Barbara how she just came on yeah about like 10 minutes ago or something yeah no she just yeah it's no problem she just 10 minutes ago so and Jeffrey is here too in know okay um all right uh let's see malago Lake what's that oh yeah malago Lake Park would be our next order of business um I uh we're kind of just you know working on trying to get um uh what do you call it the Public Works to go out there and and uh see what um sign or not sign but the post that have the numbers on need replacing I took a picture long you know maybe a couple months ago of like all the ones that were damaged or just need replacing probably all the numbers need replacing um and there's probably like I I forget maybe like five or something like that posts that are missing so um we've been try trying to work on that and that's pretty I haven't been what's the last update from Public Works um have you heard anything from back from Public Works suanne about talk I talked to Diana again um and I sent her the photographs that you had taken that you sent me I forwarded them on to her and we talked about it and I also gave her um she said she thought the photographs would be helpful the um the project or the job whatever however they term it is posted in their order of things that they have to work on they I understand they're short staff now and not don't know um but they're going to try to get out there and take a look at it and so she thought the photographs would be really helpful so I sent them and I also sent her the uh the map that has all the text of what you can what each post represents and which is of of course you can access it either through a brochure and we probably should just make more of them well there's no point until the posts are put back but um it's now also a QR code on the sign they made the sign we have the sign up but now and if you if you go into the QR code you you'll get taken to the township website and you'll be able to see the entries for each of the posts but you can't find the post right yeah but she thought it was a good idea because then they could and she wanted to know how many because she thought that if they went to um in some way to uh acquire the lumber they they wanted youd want it to all be the same size so yeah I don't think there's much Choice it's like five by fives or whatever they are or five by fives six by anyway they're not two by they're bigger they're not four by fours either they're they're short staff because it's summer and people go on vacations or they're going to be permanently short staffed and they won't be doing this for us I have no IDE but it's not going to happen in time for people to enjoy the trail during the summer I I have no doubt I mean if something happens by the end of August I think it would be a a miracle it's I mean frankly I I I don't even know why we bother to meet sometimes I'm very discouraged I I was encouraged by the master plan committee and their willingness to think about all the things that help the town retain its rural character and I get get totally discouraged coming on to the environmental commission and hearing that we won't improve our parks in any way either one of them even when there's money for it so um and that we if we do we have to do it ourselves get our own I mean I I I don't think I can take a post hold Digger out there and personally install those posts so I would if I could so that's what the story is there okay it's going to be two parks that are just dying right right um all right well I guess that's the end of the old business okay go ahead yeah Suzanne Candace said there's like bird large bird boxes in Malik Lake no I yeah did the township put those up and what are they four what are you talking about so I went kaying to in the back I take my kayak out a lot and so when you're in the middle of the lake and you go through like the back portion of the lake where it gets narrower there's these very tall bird houses that were built some of them are even on metal poles like I don't think a civilian went and did this do you know of any time that the township would have put them up they're middle of the Lakes I'm say they're what what was the last thing you said they're like in the middle of the lake they're the coolest thing ever I'll take pictures but I was just curious if you knew about them no and my brother's never mentioned him and he goes boating on the lake all the time but I you know I don't think he's been up to the north end for a while but still I have no yeah I'll take him out next time I take him out which will probably be Thursday I'll snap those pictures because I'm curious if anyone knew anything about them no they're probably um um Duck Boxes Uh Wood Duck wood ducks nest in large um bird boxes they're they're a cavity Nester they're cavity nesters and they if you put up Wood Duck Boxes you'll get some wood ducks hopefully and they're a beautiful bird yeah you can tell that there were you know things that were utilizing them but it was just neat because I've never seen anything like it and there were so many and they were so strategically placed but you said you guys the pictures when I go out there okay in the water you usually put boxes you usually put wood dock boxes on the land next to the water not in it so I don't know for sure what that well look at the photos yeah I'll send them to you I was just curious if you would have happened to have known I haven't been on the lake myself in quite a while I'll let you borrow one of my kayaks that would be good because I used to do can I have a canoe actually my brothers he he lives on the lake but um and it has a building cooler so it's a nice ride kayaks are easier and um I don't have my husband to canoe with anymore so so the uh pretty much I guess I would imagine the only thing of new business de would just be the Community Day um and uh when is that is that September 21st is that what that is Community Day where was it that last weekend of September I can't remember right now no it's not the last weekend it's the third okay I'll tell you exactly to come out and it's the 21st September 21st okay requesting their presence when and where okay if you wanted to do that sure yeah send it over to my sister okay can you repeat that oh I'm gonna turn um tell what you just said oh I did talk to Roman Park and they are going to bring out they can bring out a fossil display and set some something up for our community display I mean for Community Day sorry um but we I need something in writing um when and where the time requesting their presence who who is it that you talk to Rowan University oh and they would bring fossils yeah they'll set up a fossil display from South Jersey that's neat they need they need a letter requesting it is that it yes we request we we need to send a letter from the township you can even do it from the environmental commission but requesting their presence to do a display at the community day let them know time place um and you know just a couple details like are we going to be providing tables are they going to bring it how much room would they have X Y and Z okay and then I can get the rest of it squared away if you wanted to I was just a suggestion from the last meeting that was ultim would they stay with the display so they would tell people well that would be great yeah because we're going to be otherwise occupied with our display yeah so do we want to request that everybody want they're gonna if they're going to man the table yeah that's great so how do we write a it would be you have to do it through the environmental commission you would write a letter yeah you want me to write you up like a rough draft of something and then I'll send it to you and then you can find tune it the way you so well sure that's fine yeah and um I'll just itemize it like would you be needing a Fri table obviously they're going to have their own signage and we have we have four tables and see if they need there but I I'll do that tomorrow on my lunch break and then I'll send it to you in the afternoon sounds good did we tables but we end does anyone know no where Community day is jamer okay I'm not I don't do much this town I'm just so it's at the janir school yeah right yeah right next to and what time start I think opening CER yeah but usually you had to get there early right to set it up that's why I'm just gonna have all this it runs from 12 to 930 oh okay that's later than usual I feel like interesting so we guess I guess we had to get there at like 11 10:30 maybe to set up how how it usually takes like an hour and a half right yeah I I would think if it's if it's not starting till noon this year then I'd say 10 o'clock we should we need at least two hours to get everything up all right we do have tents and we have we only have four tables so them so I'm not sure that we have an extra table um so maybe they need to bring a table yeah so I'm you know out and we have to bring our own chairs that's fine um yeah and you know it would be great uh so if they have a table that would be it to bring that would be terrific otherwise we can probably find one somehow yeah somebody had somebody had one oh I can't remember it's probably John I have one but it's in Kate M yeah it's not that help um okay they said they said they have their own table oh yeah they they have everything I just wanted to make sure I had all the details like you guys you know can you please provide XY and z or we could have but that's it I just like to they're gonna have to bring the whole thing yeah they're gonna have to it yes all right great that's great that'll be interesting to see yeah okay great Community Day what you know uh we did talk about it and I put together a uh a list of all the ways that um trees benefit us a table um and we found a couple of pictures online uh that were we I looked up the New Jersey state tree and so I thought we could you know PR I could pronounce like maybe two P how many pictures do you think we should get like two or three or do you think fine um I I would say um maybe a little bit more than that actually because the pictures are more important than the text yeah in many ways um let's see there was one in the fall and one in the green in summer color and fall color and the fall color was you know red beautiful of the oak estate treay yeah yeah that would be great so here I will actually show you for what it's worth let's see the um we can share the screen I suppose you can see it on the screen if you yeah I can see yeah need some pictures oh definitely and this can be jazzed up too I don't that we want to use this directly or we could but I thought we could pull out some of these things you know and yeah have pictures around that kind of so if you're talking about purifying the air having a a picture of trees at the top with the sky behind them that kind of thing um absorbing you know absorbing pollutants um and protecting against floods then you have something with rain coming down or something that shows a flood or whatever um people walking perhaps um increasing property values let's just show a house next to uh that has nice trees around it and you know maybe four four or five pictures would be sufficient okay we can we can put this up and just pull some of these things out sort of with the photographs in larger letters and I'll make this more attractive so we can post this if we want the other thing the other thing that we need to put up there that I haven't worked on yet is the um the ordinance the tree ordinance so that people will know about it okay so are we gonna make are we gonna make a new like uh easel display is that what this will be on no I'm going to borrow the U the big stands the velcro stands the two velcro stands and then we may need easel as well okay it depends on how much stuff we had to show and the two stands from the um lant and water trust okay um oh I had one more question but I for what it was um oh yeah can you send me that that list and I'll like I'll see if I can start finding good pictures that match each one I did send this to you oh you did okay very good okay yeah I can send it to you again no I think I have I think I know which one you're talking about okay yeah um okay unless you unless it would be more convenient for you because I actually now have stuff open but anyway so that's as far as we've gotten with Community day which is not bad actually uh we'll see and I thought you know we'll see what happens with the uh the Grant and whether we want to show anything about our parks that was another thing that we talked about doing um yeah and having a display about the parks but I don't know whether that's such a great idea at the moment we'll see yeah okay okay I gu we're done uh just about yeah I have I got mail um and I already forget what it's about again it was Atlantic City Electric do we to just read it out loud or should I just because I actually have in the email should I just send it to everybody and that's that yeah standard okay so what's it about you it's about lentic City Electric right away it's a right away thing I have it in my I just got it in my my mailbox box if you want I'll send it to you okay there's nothing we need to do in response to it though no the whole country I think yeah they are expensive and unless anyone else has anything else to say I think that's pretty much it I say we okay all right who wants to make a motion to adjourn okay okay motion by Margaret I second okay all right all in favor oh oh it's German at um84 yeah 8:14 okay he sounds good shortest meeting ever yeah and I got your rant to my heart's content right okay all right see everybody night got and you can stop recording too if you want yes oh that's right did I send you the recording from last month Candace um oh she left already yeah oh I I'll uh she's gonna email me tomorrow so I'll try to remember to ask her if you want and then if you wanted to send it over to her oh Jonathan yeah I okay stop sh that helps now I can stop the recording okay