##VIDEO ID:a5F-gkrfyCU## all right so it's what is it 7:32 um and uh my agenda upot I'm just because every yes just in case she does come in Sor does anybody want to make a motion to uh yeah don't need a motion just to to to the uh to approve the minutes I should I would not oh I think he was yes he joined us around 8 o'clock I believe yeah yes yeah okay he was there so that was just a missing person yeah yeah okay I can did you notice anything else anything okay so we'll make a motion to anybody want to make a motion to approve the minutes just with that little addition make a motion yeah okay all through all right um and second we have for guests uh we have Barbara hurn um Roger Durr and Al wheeler are you say yes very good I didn't you said you were only here for a second so I wasn't sure if you were very good okay okay um any our guests want to say anything before we uh get started okay and there was no emergency management I contacted Matt ear and he said there was nothing um as we can skip past that so we'll go right to our first our only zoning board uh application which is uh zb2 24-7 uh it's a uh proposed marijuana growth site on at 1813 dut Avenue which I kind of forget what the block and lot is on that right now um I don't have it front of what's it it's agricultural yeah I think so yeah so I don't know it's a block 5801 lot 35 okay s they didn't mention trees in all what's that in the site clear clut oh yeah it's already cut where was that in the plan before as the Trac at the after right I that this thing versus suppose so it's not over unless they made a statement well it's an aerial photo you're saying shot the aerial photoo very likely be right that to do just [Applause] stouch okay see it looks do there it looks fuzzy there right I mean yeah so we can cut bunch of trees in or they're planning to cut a bunch of trees I mean it looks photosho because you don't get a straight line like this you know what I'm saying they took it's a drawing yes it's not this is existing conditions I see this is proposed okay these trees are not already C okay um does it say here can read it and say that would make more sense than just well I me if you got something online it probably didn't show that they're cutting the trees to plant to build the building to plant in the building that they yeah it matches you say something I I that's why I believe that they were already gone I thought the one foot it was taken before and was Tak after you look at it it's Sly straight lines it couldn't possi oh if there cut over yeah this will this will stay true because the only coming in well where's the Cy one well it doesn't show on this one it does up there here's the existing gate this G is is say plot PL sketch plat so it's a it's a sketch from my understanding here not back here okay so they're not not touching those well they're going to use a student line treats here and then to use this area for the have to cut Sho you got to also not not necessarily because look at the scale is the 30 scale yes it's the 100 scale so the question is come are we even at the tree line yet well I this thing building demolished after the photographes underground El see that's this going here I mean I think this is this and if this is a before purek and nobody's touching this seeet yeah here's the I think the appli to address with but you're right CU here's the yeah you're right yeah so this is actually there and uh if there's any tree cutting it may be minimal okay um so they they should address it because there probably are some trees there is yeah that so you know and here they're still in the small part oh yeah is this yeah and this ex is that just okay no I don't the right there yeah probably there's two different scales yeah and I didn't bring my scale and I didn't think this SL was a much mag but the facility could be a greenhouse right is that what it was was in a perimeter out of the green house with a with a chain link fence and lighting and a guard well I don't know about a guard but they don't have any clue what they're building security camer yeah they are going to have security cameras and I know that they have they're G to have gated access another one this J it's near very yeah yep is building obnoxious businesss prohibited the scale would now be three times of w odor running obnoxious odor clearing is probably what s to know on these pictures it like might be one or two yeah yeah might be a couple in here and a couple IED yeah Mr Char do we have any environmental concerns I feel like a lot of our I meanless I don't know with the you said they were gonna cut down some trees perhaps or no not okay that's Forest yeah we don't know what kind of lighting any um I do I have here report report right comment sheet comment sheet comment sheet oh I download it fill it out online I I just take notes now and I'll F out later that's what I've been doing anyway yeah yeah well I'm going to write it to we want to put yeah we want to put but what I don't understand is are they actually building on this building in which case why don't we have other aspects in this that's great what yeah that looks like a survey yeah there no se wire not people working I I think they said honestly I think it was like three or four people I don't remember it's been I read it earlier today I don't I don't remember all the details and they said that nobody would be working there on the off SE Jo uh except for just like the person who occupi the house something see like I guess they're gonna like Harvest it in the summer or something but they said that uh During certain times of years no employe necessary first Vis it offseason to a great I I guess yeah unless they they're probably referring to the need actually yeah probably yeah this is a proposed nonpermanent business trailer these are cultivation yeah inside a fence there so and if they're not going to be working at at the non-growing season it sounds like they are growing outside I think they are going I thought that they had both inside and outside I thought so too but maybe I misre or something lot times well some of them want to indoor grow so they can control the fire and yeah because I guess if the indoor grow you can grow in the winter and everything right yeah yeah yeah where you know you have better control of humidity fun get know mold and stuff that could attach play so than yeah I thought it was anround when you said there was a greenhouse I was actually rise but you know you read folks five days ahe and then you can't remember the exactly yeah I just actually read this earlier today and yeah I don't remember half the things already but um post useally beneficial but have words oh my that is the if looking for VAR Z variant not it is um it is in use well there is no Zone that permits you know that's part of what they talked about the master plan that we don't have a zone that more that are kind of allowing it so the language was I don't know I mean I haven't read which is why all these people have to go before theing board get we have like five industrial places that just set what theseal Che to yeah and highway commerci where you the um it work let me see what mine is it's uh no it's uh looks like it's ft WP Wi-Fi and I honestly do not remember the password I could probably search my old emails from when to submit to you let me see if I have it see um well why I do that is there so should we write about like potential lighting issues or okay yeah I know it's not really list of people huge people subside well depends on what's Happening not enough processing aren't they just growing not just it do okay always things are like the drawing process I don't know though I don't think so I mean when you get up close to it yeah but I'm not sure that it does you don't think it smells any more than any other smell really me them out all winter D oh well that's right I have the password for you if you're all set oh I won't say it to but I'll just give it to you oh wait oh then that I can't all right is it 15 no uh it's uh ft something um yes it's just down La look that's a that's a zoomed in picture but don't think they're going to Second trees off it's no mine only has it's like F2 FR uh whatever the the abbreviation is yeah yeah like ft something yeah ft that's it yeah or you know if no there has to be they have oh I guess they have to have lighting en Camas St so where did Bill goite is the lighting on the perimet okay I believe so along with the cabinet they have to have a very specific set of cabinet systems too on the play as the overall plan we this assumed that you're only looking at this so treat here all you see these are not all correct all right that's a that's good yeah like see another aquarium what we do now y you just go on you know the meeting's kind of not official at this point you don't have them okay there's no reason and we've got both on a just not no no optional yeah you know they can't take no to be on this point point for him yeah he just left yeah so officially no official made but okay since it's not a we can still discuss anything why because business has actually been done even though pass right we said it was we had NOS except the lighting is that what we said B was still here yeah I think that probably be fine to say yeah yeah okay all right should we move on unofficially um so uh I have in there uh Lake Park um do have you heard anything from the Department of Public Works Di and big Che one out there and they bought the wood okay post I C the post fantastic okay and so they just need to schedule on the pH out put them in and they would it would be good if somebody joined them so I gave them your I gave the your show not great okay and um the other thing is that they have not B the numbers okay so she said I guess you're gonna get the kind that screw it in I think that's what the other ones were aren't they I have pictures I have to check so I thought maybe you would be well them up sure that's fine yeah where Like Home Depot or something like that okay all right okay and um then you'll have them with you when you meet out there yeah and then people make sure they're putting in the right place okay and right number yeah but they'll do they'll put them in okay I have any idea how long it would take when it'll happen but yeah they I was amazed if they actually now and get this forign so yeah maybe for all we'll have a ler child that'd be great yeah okay yeah nature CH is right um so Piney Hollow is pretty much that's the other thing and I don't really know if we have anything to say about that because it kind of I guess it's dead in the water now so um there's no way it can be R if we br approached I've approached uh that about making some possible changes um access did the CLK is still possibility to make it functional to make it functional yes right well that was qu the gr the engineer we' get P pered we haded it's fancy crap was man who who did that s it they get paid a percentage of the project so the only goal we had with this project was interpretive signage which is not expected fixing the trails cleaning up the fire the B and St H those are the only things we cared about um I mean everyone at the meeting unfortunately acted like somehow you know the environmental commission had some do a bre the giant expensive then when you didn't have is by the C oh no you can't put in a classroom or you can't did a boardwalk this way or that way they did a boardwalk in the middle of the park that in that depressed area actually need Trav I was there once at the very beginning um yeah only go so far before get much water in that tree yeah there's a glacial depression in the center it's not like from the parking lot you make it all the way back to the trail that runs parallel with um Hing Hollow Road and you make a right and you head towards the unexpected Road it's exception where it's a GL natur a little bit depressed compared to the Press go what happened is as people mudded it up with their big wheels and threats and stuff they damaged it pretty badly and then people came along and decid well I'm going to go over here I'm going to go over here and each time they wore it down into basically a swan situation they just kept doing it and there's like three or four on each side probably two maybe three on each side of what was the trail where they really messed it up and back when we were doing the grand original late it was a lot of dumping back there and myself um my boy friends and Jim Kelly we were part of a cleanup that that was organized by the Environ Le we had a good amount of people show up and I took my Ford like for truck back to that area because I had the truck no one else did was on me I took Jim Kelly with me I took my boyfriend with me we pulled tires but she both once they couldn't drive on it anymore we started bringing things which is tires the on top of so we pulled all the T wet growth out of the water on my truck and drove them out you know and cleaned that up along with all the rest of the clean up that people did we've had a great amount of people was wonderful and uh that area because of such a wide area of damage and there's no way to rebra the trail so that was the one place that the boardwalk had to remain it was only that 1150 ft of Boardwalk it's not a lot but the engineer wanted to cut one of the trees down next to the board with and put this round area with seating so people could just hang out which is another piece of cord I don't want that no I didn't want it either but I couldn't tell your professional you know the one that you guys control you know no you can't do that so I had to go along with what was in the design and ultimately it's up to everyone in a Administration to look at the designs and authorize them to go for pering and you know me what the engineer discussing what he's doing it's not I don't have the long call to say no don't do that it's too expensive so that's how it landed up being a giant pork set for the engineer the main like the idea of putting up for walk in on the main trail that runs cattle love to yeah and that is expensive because it went a long way so that was not origion proposal Orion proposal was to reroute the trail yeah but Finland told us we wanted just to the trail at both e finlands received to give a permit for that and it wasn't until after the original permit with the boardwalk was designed and S and they approved it and then it was um bid on and it cost like 245,000 year like 2020 2021 was the bid we got on it that the went back to the planet and said look we can't afford this you know we want to reroute the trail and they did submit a reroute and they were willing to look at it then because of the circumstances but before that they weren't even you know go to so that's how we landed up with weed so if you're talking about redoing it what are you talking about are you talking about there's no specifics whatsoever I I asked if you get have tpw go out look at their current problems with it so solutions that we could not see do ourselves okay well I don't see why the routing couldn't be done ourselves um because it there's no trees um part the rerouting was approved by the pine lad so you want to stick to the Pine lad's approval you don't want to go out there and and do something else you get yourself in trouble with the fin but the reing is very simple all you need is for maybe the engineer will be one to do that taking out or flagging the rerouted roof and it's just a matter of clearing the vegetation that's on the ground like the blueberry bushes and stuff not any trees now maybe you have to cut some branches that are in the way but specifically this Trail was mapped up by the engineer in a way that doesn't kill any so that would be easy easy volunteers could do it you could organize volun this is what I've been saying all along is that know the T just never got behind this project never wanted to work with us or understand it well enough until now you're saying we're trying to um this is easy to do and you know it wouldn't take long for a bunch of people with prors and handsaws you know or even you know P was whatever um to just clear the trun because it's just vation like while growing and some low branches we not we're not using chainsa down it's not gonna be you know uh the stand should track it down itself once you get rid of the vegetation well like I said I told them to go out look out at the Jared from tpw was on vacation last week does he have the plan the main thing I wanted to look at right now is just is limiting access to for by for that's because no no use in that's the main thing that I want on and I'm not sure if Jared's come back from vacation yet go out there and take a look um but that's all I have right now so I Pur that with it um three days after Tuesdays to start liting by is POS up you know any any PWD expense for Ching spr out gers is a match it's great yeah right you don't need to out money least I don't know what they told CH up this this is a simple project that can be done with volunteers and with public workare even with just the volunteer if the is marked out like I said people just show up with cers maybe the Public Works will need to do the for Farm I don't know stand what happened um they have a big opening and what used to be fence they just trucked in all their garbage and dun it they built a um a really nice tree St so all that under the grant would have been cleaned up obviously without the grant it's up to you whether you clean up your park or not uh but it was a requirement to get the gr Mone that the par actually be done and there was a report done um like a b EnV side assessment which is what I believe it is the um environmental guy went around and he found all the dumping and all the stuff that it could and he wrote it all up in this paperwork which you should have all this stuff and if you don't I do um but yeah following the plan is the safest thing to do and we work but like you said just has somebody keep track of their time and then yeah have them keep track of their time if the gr is still good you said volunteers too instead of money volunteers are matched at a certain rate yeah is matched by them at a certain rate yeah I think they like out or something so every I always volunteer spends time on running these projects you get count at $35 I tried explaining this over the months and years of that it doesn't have to be so expensive or so you know I can't believe like they did like BW did that the classroom Outdoor Classroom me the engineers Engineers yeah the outdor classroom could be Scout all it is there's no trees being killed all it is is that damn number two there's a clearing already and all it was going to be was a bunch of Benes in like a circle a semicircle so an instructed stand there likee them over there we have this this this animals whatever and like I said there's no plan as of right now I just reached out to Matt out see have back M was on over the weekend isue jar was on vacation the week Sor again I have no idea if it's GNA go anywhere or not but said I urge you to sck to the how about um back I where talking I think the town would be L asking volunte I don't know well that sound all the trails they like par cre like what ventes I mean an organization is different yes you have no liability on an unimproved doesn't mean somebody can't see you because people can see anything just for visitor but they AR going to win I mean the way the park is now you're more likely have people come because people already come when you're not now I already know this because I've been out there on some many cleanups the Year s great I there are hiking groups that I was in contact with that said we want to do a clean out the playing Hall I met them there one day I don't remember whether it was a week day or a weekend these people just shut up I this here's this group interested in this and uh you know I found them on Facebook so I met them out there and uh basically these people came one guy was like oh I have my new chaina had an electric chainsaw you know her dad or the the fathers and oh he loves it they walked down the trail and disappeared because he s on the trail the only reason those trails are open now is because people use the park and the people that use the park come back and fix it you know when it's not navigable and you'll see all these bypasses you know that are not really good you know that are still in the Wetland areas because those are completely wet all the time where these byass are M and clip right it's more dangerous the way it is now than getting people to volunteer to just clip a bunch of lenss they clip a bunch you know small it and like I said there's legally no mity our national plan um that's what friends friends groups you know that they all just what people want care about and we willing to come out and do yeah you don't have to carry insurance we had this because I believe Le masal was trying to say if we put properties on the Rosy you know and somebody gets hurt or whatever we're going to have responsibility for it I researched it and I had greenr I sent all the question legal questions she had green even though I research it and knew what were and they were exactly what green give no liability the only time you have liability is when you do something to a park that you don't have an improved engineering plan or like if Public Works goes out there and they make a different Trail they don't have approvals for that then you have liability you follow the plans you have you have no liability because you have approv you have an approval from so liability wise you need to stick to the plan you know not just because PL will come down on you but for liability reason you can't make a different Trail and then expect that you're going to be not liable or we need to get the the township solicitor to give can be information Insurance because that was one of the things that came up with all this the horo township already Els like some tax defaults and whatever that people are the township is all worried about its liability but there isn't any there's an act to restrict anyone who owns a property from any liability when it's used by the public or anyone actually unless they do something deliberately malicious like you put up a you up a wire not people by work and they get hurt that's delber milici that's a different thing yeah have no structure if you Haven if you haven't done anything specifically to arm people then there is not L go and would be TR all those properties that recommended to be retained buffers on dreams all the rest and I'm afraid Le the Sal's information sitting in there at the time at the so attorney on the was wrong many different pieces of information that she handed after me well but you said and that's why I wrote it all down yeah but that's why I wrote it all down I bent it to the green acor every single question even though I thought these questions were really dumb were totally off B had no bearing legally I sent it to the great AC people seriously and I wrote all my questions down and I got all the ANS and they were exactly what I said L were yeah and then I presented them to them the state summary judgment I'm saying it's when you read things in it may not have overcome sumary judgment which litigation has to overcome may not have like whato get out some sh Tre or whatever then Su people have read and they said oh God worst part down there near the river the M thing somebody broke their back well maybe they broke their back because somebody left so or Ste in or whatever some unrelated toing anything just somebody was trying to all Bs chck were the yeah is some No Way Around It was was and soy and they bring in the employer and have a m but I I just want to say that it's just it looks like I don't know you might my but as some I've been in cases in business and underwat where make your way through some you get on theend that's all I see yeah I beat so bad it's just lot of time I that when the player T watching oh yeah said I I put my big girl pants on did what I need to do to get the answers from the lawyers that cre bir in writing and that admitted um and again that was just the bu of bish this project and it's not the first time things have been trown this project it's been a resistance to this project for years resistance to retention of property that we already own as well that's okay I mean we can't change what you guys think is a priority but what I can tell you is you know I research this area and if you arrest something or build something that you don't have plan for it then you do have liabilities and you shaking his head yeah so if you so with your plans you're on safe oron so stick to the plans if you don't want a legal program all right so people are allowed in this park than Mar in this park they have to be they're allowed to walk in Piney Hollow park all right so uh but it's really hard to walk there because it's all over the buffoon so people are cutting that for the grow is that permitted no but ex said it's people are doing what they need to do to utilize the far and they've been doing that for a decade so and it you know this problem back when I moved here in the 80s those Trails were so wonderful you could drive a par the entire part not a truck a car you could drive a car and I'd be walk in my dog and cars would become involed I did was thrilled about having a car come by but the roads are that good and then in the or so maybe 20 years it's not destroy by yeah all we're trying to the parability of like Mar she wants to you know if the trails were what they were in 1989 she would have no problems in the entire part but the way they are today yeah he's more likely to get hurt and see the township because have been der like yeah could drown is the they were care of by any St like yes they have a little garden it's a it's an spectacularly beautiful garden yep what s of a a small you know project for a negle became somebody beautiful for it's like who isn't it apart it's the ni thing and the nature child and the nature child is used a lot in this town so it would be good town like I said there's no plans in the works thing whatsoever I asked Matt if we could look into so if you ask gonna say there's nothing works there is I personally ask if he look into limiting the for by4 Access heavy Vehicles can get on there and possibly just restoring we had if you could just see so two is that if you wanted to restore the trails that you have um you need permission from Pilot to bring can't just bringt in and any materials that come in there I believe they have to do start five exp the quality matal and need for the pilot if you were to just regrade which are they had which would probably be impossible with the that be want that but like I said this bypass is there that hard to get and if if it was marked out it could be e the but they walking B we need to have the trails marked out we have to have them marked out so that people can follow them so that when they do trim they're trimming the right T Center of this was locked out I can't to you can get lots of people yeah we could get we could get a volunteer Mark the trails out what do you think about that more I have no um one person a five if they have S if he's giving them the point I you know down like I said there's there as of right now the entire thing as far as I know died that night so s didn't say yes well go somebody out there he didn't say yes to you well no he he said he would get someone out there to look at look at it doesn't mean we do this this this that just my suggestion that he ha them go out there and see what their current state of it well somebody would go there between now and your next meeting that would be great and we would you some information and they would have information and PW would have information only maybe make some kind plan solution I think we should go on sounds good what is next on on agenda pretty much the only other thing I have on there dismissal not next gu what do we have coming up Community Day um so I guess a few days before you know I think like last year uh we used your your car and and mine we've just loaded up all the supplies in there and we'll just do that on like the Friday before maybe Thursday or whatever works best for us that's I think we did that all Friday I think we did yeah y I didn't we I think so yeah because then on Monday returned it because it was Community dat was cancelled due to endless rain yeah um so that would be Friday the Friday the uh 20th so first cheeks work or S it has to be Friday the 18th no it's not it's September I'm sorry you're right it's the 20th it's no 20 okay I don't know we can take everything over there unless we know it's not really yeah I think we only I don't know I don't remember taking it in event well we we just put it in your car U oh and then you know like all the boxes and so like the things that the fossils or whatever that um I know that last time John got uh fish from Mal the Lake Park right um I don't know how he did that did he just like go in the water and because am I gonna be responsible like are we gonna do that or like what do we want to do no well I think he went himself but I don't know what neet he had um what that he had he he had done it with Jo and um hand this Webb 15 foot long maybe yeah and two guys get it and they just start going start yeah together it's just say it's like a saying you just pull it on the two sides whatever you get and then you lift you put into your yeah that's one way the another thing is to take a te which is on a PO and I have but net had deteriorated in trouble and um you scoop into specific areas to see what you get you don't get fish as well yeah you can pick up a adol FR sometimes kind of wait in the year for that let's see you can get macroon gerits that it is yeah but um they're harder for people to see and they like looking at the fish yeah maybe we can ask joh should we ask Johnny you said Johnny came now out I was actually thinking about it I'll contact him and just see what if he's willing to leave you know even if he doesn't want to go to community day just to come out and help us for an hour just to do that or whatever if he put if you the the year T yes yeah I'm almost I'll go double check on that one when I take this but I I'm almost positive you gave me the tank because I had given him yeah yeah um okay let's call yeah W can do it too yeah but we need we need a net and I don't know what net John new list okay and even if he's not I'll just ask him how he did it or whatever but I'll try to convince him so again if you doesn't want to come Community that's fine but you know if if speaking just do that yeah you might do that yeah that that does draw a lot of people yeah um we're kind of really to talk about the displays did we figure out I what pictures I I have a picture we printed out a picture at home of a tree just you know just on a regular piece of paper um I was hesitant to laminate it because I just feel like we're just G to use it and get rid of it so um I really want to it's a good look thing we use all of already I'll tell you it's a heavy piece of paper yeah it's it'll be very visible without plastic on it I don't feel like plasticizing anything that I don't have to but we don't have to um we were only going get do I thought we were going to do more pictures somehow that was just but one tree is what you told me look I okay um and you said you had the the descriptions of uh that you would put around it of what the tree is good for oh wait okay yes I have that uhuh I sent that to you to give you an idea yeah but that's all I left up um what else are we gonna do we're gonna take stuff from last year yes yeah and and also um Candace you said that your was it your sister yeah she is falling off the board with that very quickly supposed to and I'm just like you know what yeah yeah that's fine because we have you know like three tables already or whatever so um I well she was going to bring fossils from was it Rowan I think it was yeah my sister she's the um she works at the um Edelman Fossil Park she's opening the museum there but she's said she was and she currently busy all the time right now the moment so I'm not and that's fine I was thinking it was like this really not I mean we have it would have been cool yeah it would have been yeah but it's I mean we we have limited space anyway and all so it might be F yeah um so yeah I just thought we were going to redo stuff from last year uh out okay when I go into to return this um I'll look for the fish tank and I'll look to see what else we've got in new and the stuff that that John had yeah that you got from him right yeah we have like there's brochures and stuff like that in there I think what I think there's like brochures or something like that in there maybe that we were giving out maybe like about lighting or something like that yeah night sky yeah night sky that's what it was yeah yeah yeah and then what there some displays the G displays that I mean like the easel or something or what do you mean I I think I think so I think we have don't we have like four of them or something or I forgot what it is no not not of the easel oh but I guess it was just in material I I guess we better just get to together yeah yeah I mean just read a little bit or yeah it's so weird because I feel like last year you know we just put everything right back in its place and I just can't remember what we even had in there but was two years yeah it's going on two years yeah there was yeah yeah but we took all the stuff out everything yeah we weed and so but I just don't remember we even had I just forget so questioning is what did John was in right we didn't she was he gave me a lot of you know he gave me like cleanup stuff like this as well but there was other it was definitely Community Day stuff in there too so I'll try to get over there next a few days and just see look we'll just make an important yeah we can take a look at what it is okay um I only have to get through the spray St okay from South Jersey land water trust okay okay okay yeah um I also would to um St new business I guess pertaining to this um ORS for open space and foreign land preservation um I read the ordinance and the 50% limitation on open space is ridiculous why would they put that limitation on it SP the pries are you can't preserve anything with the space with 50,000 get to especially if you're if you have only gone to Wild for the one year instead of have you R this side yes it's just think it was thing I've ever seen well you're moving from uh ordinance that was 100% no it wasn't was not it was no ordinance there was one past the 90s I'd like to see it because I don't believe it I've never seen it never and it's not anywhere to be found in the archive online I don't think it was 100% foreign land because we preserved other Earth space with it like the piz fries no um and other things and I think that was brought in under objection which is what happen this time when H long right objectiv that go to that what I was told that doesn't make any sense never ever heard that well especially when the open space and Recreation plan has the documents related to it and it thought about thought it's just not what we voted on we voted on what we went into the voting group for it says Farm it says to preserve open space second Farmland preservation right but first was open States yes there reason why should fight and then I particularly object having with the original fici plan and having helped the township back the F and so I which means we only for 20% to forign um put up 20 and the street puts up 60 um you can't get that same ven play with open space but like personally it's I object I really object to make the C of has a damn Grant or plan if I had to p and why so I'm makes me so you open space you have to liit yourself with an ordinance like find people's they have to another or UND this or zero sense it's fine to put a limitation on how much can be use the maintenance as opposed to position that's very common very standard but to break it up so that you can't put more than such and such St I mean figure out what it is you want to preserve and then after qu I think I made it clear's focused on pring F Well they shouldn't be they should certainly should not be and I'm going to complain to Ral about it um because uh you know that's ridiculous I said on the foreign land preservation committee for uh a few years as well and uh I don't see any reason why we don't need we don't need to leave all the money sitting in there the Farmland we have actually have more access to money than we have to open space money and there's not Farms asking well there will be we hope there will be right now there is using all the money no that's not true it's not approv here last meeting yeah no okay I thought there was none right now no we can always be continuing to preserve funds it's a slow deal the money can accumulat of each year there's actually no reason to limit the open space acquisition I mean and one thing if we came if we if we had some big big super project and we needed to use up every penny that would be different but 50,000 well they also said well you know we preserve land because we had it given to us and then you said I don't know which one of you said it you said well you know we preserve the property you know on rain no you didn't yeah well they they said 15 John brought all the stuff and John's question second God you can watch it on video um it's ridiculous to think that someone's going to give you land for nothing again it's ridiculous to think that you're gonna get such a deal as with the property on Maine and tuckaho and the only reason you know and also that cost 850,000 Dage you know and to say we we you know we preserved for 15,000 is just misinformation you put money towards the sth course but the really big preservation work was done by suzan's group um it became possible due to Residents um standing and the um conservation the New Jersey conserv they should should put in their green money W trust green money and then the matching funds came from o r RR the office of natural resource restoration which is a state agency but it's not green AC so you can match one with the other and then that covered half of the cost the other half was discounted essentially by the owners so they get a nice big fat tax deduction but that that is the actual match the reason we needed ow our money was because any the Cal from Green Acres was lower than the 50% that the owners wanted somewh lower and so that made up the difference and the 15,000 is half of the closing B yeah the soft BS the the appraisal the survey and the closing so you know the reasoning that was given doesn't make any sense in the real world that Som how you you know this is all going to be dra on you were get this was a once in a lifetime thing that and Suzanne worked for I worked for the residents who who live there worked for to make this possible and it was basically something that was 10 years into making um back and forth with the own you know proposing new development and is been betraying proposing preserving it and it took a really long time to get where we're at it took diligence like her group like folks like me and folks that live in that area they keep this guy and also Tri a LW I don't you aware of the lawsuit it was a law by the mine company that propos the mine out there and uh the town turned them down so they St at the town the town defended it the town ended up having an agreement with the lne people and in that agreement that agreement states and I asked for this agreement um because and nobody could find a town hall for our personal finally reached out to the lawyer that um worked on the case for town to get copy that I asked her for it and deled it because it was something we needed to know about you know fighting know the solar and all the other things that we had to fight off we get where it is um but anyway in that agreement the town agreed to help get this erve through Green acor in their settlement with the my company so the's actually obligated to help even if they had decided not to give the $15,000 it was a legal obligation to help with get with B because that was an agreement that Court made so this was a unique situation and we're never going to see that again and you're never going to be handed land again land is too expensive so it's the idea that oh well we were given land so that's how we'll get more land it's not not really and the other thing about $15,000 that's never going to happen again either that was a unique situation that involved individuals you know that you know the future that's probably never going to have it individuals won't be here you know those those individuals it be a different and no one's you know who's going to be there to tell them what's going on and organize them yeah really really good justification would accept what it owes owes owns now in the way of buffers and other more water allowed properties and all the rest and the green light it greenoid and stop trying to the for nothing and um take well I don't have nothing what about sports and recreation right the the um hockey roller hockey is on a landfill they crack every time they try to fix it they crack I told them when that last time they tried to fix it that it was going to crack again they need a new location we you know if you limit how much you could spend on part development if how much you could spend them buying another piece of land you know how are you going to either buy them another piece of land to move their facilities too or increase the facilities at four T in the p and how are you going to pay for building those facilities for them if you're limiting it to you can only spend this much a year we're liing the open space fund right and why do that you have like 800,000 according to toal for $800 something, in the other St spot I know you have at least over 500,000 in the AL State fine um if you you're limiting you know when you have a project you have to spend that money in that year I mean so why are you leaving handcuffing yourself you know what is it that you're trying to accomplish because it's not accomplishing anything you have the final set yeah if you don't want to spend money in a project you won't know yeah how do this ordinance Mak s things it's useless and you know if it just causes it creates more world for the attorney to WR another remove that or when you be just s and you know you guys ultimately if you don't want to do something you don't have to do it not need one that you know does take and it really doesn't um you really need to just forget the ordinary if you want to change what you can use the money for that's a different scenario that you can only use $50,000 a year for way preservation can only yeah we can use unlimited we know you just want F we've known that all a lot but you don't know what the CH and you can't just tie your P for no reason would you have the ulate say well the current committee has the ultimate say but if the current committee changes they they would have the ultimate say and we believe it should use part which doesn't actually make a lot of sense to me I don't really understand it because black when did the fine plan um and started talking about trying to preserve fire land we push the ten do but you keep refering to these plans that are seven or eight years old nobody that's currently on the cou cling was involved in this doesn't matter it does it does matter adopts them the township adopts and the township also changes things as well based off today well if you doent your master plan in the first place then they're there until you want replace so I don't really think of now CH you know people have a responsibility to carry on policy that's been adopted until change the Poli and we just changed the policy and you're not happy I understand that but I don't understand why an open space fund wouldn't fund open space as much as it would become F now if you want to concentrate on farmland for time but why would you that's just said why would you par sping yourself with a 50,000 annual lock extra open space because you can't I mean all you have to do is think about it for two millions you wouldn't be able to do many say want why will be zero might as well not mention it at all and then just decide what you want to do that's yeah alol that's what I'm saying it's like this orance is is ridiculous because it's ridiculous and also the statute says in order to add and you know or remove uses that the voters thing vote on you have to have a voter referendum it was ran past multiple legal people is all that I know yeah well I you get an answer from the attorney me absolutely said nothing when I wrote this up so you know I certainly it's concern of yours I'd bring it up again but I I confronted the attorney after the meeting who was told that everything that the way that it was written was completely legal States but I I don't understand at that time because considering you guys still just have General conversation you can go up you can put Ines that to the effect that such and such was discussed because no decisions are being made therefore it doesn't matter okay so then I'll just put down that um open discussion down this time because he had left okay I was just making sure that's out I had to word that think that out you guys do whatever you want it's the right thing or the wrong thing that's yeah if you want to do ahead but if you read the statute and you understand what the statute saying where it talks about municipality unless you had a PRI so you brought or something is that put in other things s just by and we did not so I don't see how but it will be just like what it is now went since when you pass the Str right in 99 99 okay so for the last 25 years we've operated um and then sudden we have and we have inter the problem and we can't allocate any money because it's a problem go fine so now we just go past something that is problem ref because it's something actually all you have to do is read it read the read carefully read very short it's not very short I actually sent some of it to the everything I sent your referendum or I think it's sad it's a pressent your break like if you already to voting against that and to not honor those people that made that originally this he right was breaking a president yeah I think I don't think it's really worth doing much on behalf of this community I've come to that con I'm just saying I mean same same things came up on the planning board yeah I Lady work sitting on try to change one that made it 10 years ago yeah but that's a new but what I'm saying is these people wereing the office they have they have the right to change they change the fact of saying it's a precedent change I understand that they do that so I just that's morally I just think when I was doing it I couldn't change it I didn't change I just think it's it's a president I just think you should follow the I don't know maybe not you know maybe people with you're not H people you know if we did that on the planning board okay now now that's this you get have a two foot buffer you know they you know when they say what you can like before you know a year before it was like 50 feet or something that was two feet it's just crazy I just don't think it's the right way running this sorry I'm leer sounds good I just wanted to say we did have a piece of mail I don't know if anybody however it's just just seems to be a thing about it's bail that basically we might be getting something in the future 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