##VIDEO ID:zrSq0l37Css## to the flag American pursuing to the open public grees Act adquate of this meeting was boarded to the official Township first town Soph here Mr ke here Mr Mar here motion Club CL the resolutions in Block I'll make a motion follow the good evening uh John stiic 2075 main road I came tonight to urge you guys to approve the Piney Hollow trial Grant um I don't really understand why this uh application would be approved for seven years it's gone through this body many many times uh and you've approved it all along the way we've spent tens of thousands of dollars maybe more um just through the approval process already through um concept plans uh permits approvals Administration fees I know Mr Finley has spent many many hours um help helping this application Move Along which is greatly appreciated but I just can't really understand you knew the price all alone in fact the price is lower now than it was in the beginning and I can't really comprehend why we would spend so much money on an application or a plan just to deny it in in the 11th hour I mean now the public is finally going to get what they paid for we put our down payment on and I don't understand why you would deny it um so I urge you guys to approve this application a lot of work has been into gone into it and it'll really benefit the community I thank you Margaret Dar Forest Grove I wanted to Second what John said I can't imagine ever turning down uh what we have right here at our hands right here it's about to be ours and not not pass it uh it's it's a complete waste of money it makes no sense I urge you please to pass this uh pork into big thank you Ed good evening gentlemen before you vote keep in mind which onset the project racked up 7 and a half years of unpaid unpaid engineering fees by continuing the Green Acres grants those fees are capped at 11% of the project cost and Green Acres will pay for half of them without the Green Acres Grant the engineering fees can be charged and full with no cap and the Tang will repaying all of it the Eng engineering was extensive including hundreds of hours which include engineering for the Grant application the permits from d for Wetlands two separate permitting submissions to the Pine lands commission to change the trail design from Boardwalk to bypass engineering of two separate plans for this change an environmental site assessment which is a phase one environmental site assessment numerous meetings on the site at town hall and at the Pinelands commission headquarters years of emails plan revisions phone calls with the township the D Pine lands Green Acres presentations at public meetings bid packets prepared for two different plans Rosy paperwork and more those are the what what has been ordered for this and done and we will become responsible to pay that infall for likely a lot more than the grant under the grant you would only pay a maximum of 22,000 for what is likely 100,000 or more of engineering dollars if you added up all those services and contacted any engineer this would cost well over what they're asking you to to provide just to finish this grant the engineering Bill like I said could easily exceed the cost of finishing this grant so you decide what you want a nice accessible par for all ages at a bargain price or do you want to pay a huge engineering Bill and have nothing to sh for it your choice is clear an accomplishment you can tout as your own or you can choose a huge engineering bill to pay for work you will not be using I urge you that economically it is not a better choice to walk away from this grant because of this huge bill and this commitment that as John said everyone who's been here Mr Bruno Mr Doyle approved changes to the plans and everything was done twice because of those changes increasing our engineering liability and our debt to C regarding this project so it's it would be full Harding not to finish this project and the reality is at Baga Park the nature trail is heavily used this would be a bigger nicer longer nature trail in an environment that is unique and we are lucky to have this park because you can see otter and beavers and Eagles and all kinds of Wildlife and when you get in the middle of this park it's the only place you can go in Wester County that you don't hear cars it is quiet it is pristine it is beautiful and if you haven't been there wait until the weather is better because with the broken trail system you'll be full of ticks unless we fix it there's no way to walk there during the warm months without risking Lyme disease or other tickborne illnesses uh this park has also been dumped on for many years and I hate to say it but this doesn't represent our values as a community to leave the park in the condition that it's in now so we are asking you to please take care of it um otherwise it'll only be usable for people like myself who have a four-wheel drive truck and who can drive to the back entrance let my dogs out and enjoy a nice walk for several hours which you can't get anywhere else in GL County no place is this big no place is this nice and uh it it would be a shame to ignore it it's our largest park and it is a wonderful place and like I said it's it trails are used more than you know and trails are used by people of all ages and we need that kind of recreation for people of all ages so I ask you to consider it obviously the choice is yours good luck I have to speak good evening Charles mccan Annie mccan 56 Stephanie Drive Frankle bille um about the same ordinance about Pony Hollow Trail I was watching in um minutes from last meeting and Mr Marsh you tabled it and a conversation that you were having still and you needed to finish the conversation so what came about that and anything that we need to know about that about this I tell it because the started s years ago I don't believe anyone was on the committee so I called some people on the committee back and seven days ago and they said in um guessing before the project itre to gave in ceron trails and there were just a minor renovation uh there was not to this skino 7 years and then I thought it was a fully funded cramp by St D I didn't think we had to put it bu in so far you said we spent $48,000 in J that and when he 167,000 War to complete the 165,000 tax PA do two CH Trail then titled five over you lot now par i' rather put that money to the park baseball fields on chamos is the they could use that money at the baseball I know they look the same since I played there right they're same ma CH probably so yeah problem your Beard's a little death B was there same fence it's that you could use the money elsewhere it's called if you have the money if you don't have the money don't spend if you have the money spend it wise and now least 200 $15,000 into a trail that would not be brutalized by Frankl residence would be smart spend this Comm respons yes well I do know there is a nice Trail for people to walk on at Scotland Run Park because our son actually was is an eagle scout and he donated all the signs and everything it's signed it's labeled it's got a big map out front so people want to walk there's a perfect good Park that right there full of trails there's about miles in Trails 10 signs and you cannot hear the road from it either cuz we were back there installing it and everything else but I know Malaga Lake Park is kids that go play on Malaga Lake Park they can't run around they can't play there's so much Goose scrap everywhere so but that's what I I wanted to know and there's also a playground there it's Scotland Run Park across where all the trails are for the kids to play and picnic tables and things like that as well so it helped with everybody the trail walking and for the kids as well thanks D yeah Ralph travone Marshall Mo Road Malaga Good Guys in reference to 132 24 the pony H ordinance many people are going to be surprised what I'm about to say most people think because I'm a farm owner I'm an Environ environmentalist and outdoor which I am but my idea been there because I don't think the trails are safe like I don't I don't I'm I'm excited for this to be a place that I can go maybe bring my niece and feel comfortable with her walking through there you know um but to just dismiss it because you know you can't pull up there's no boat ramp you know that's what people are doing in Malaga um Lake Park it that's the cars you know maybe you have a couple joggers obviously we want the playground to work but that's a separate fund this is a special place this my understanding about it is that it's somebody's property that they've kind of opened up to the public isn't isn't that what am I wrong it does that's not right wrong different place anyway um but to have it's oh okay but yeah but so was donated someone else to Dos right okay um I just uh your values might be different than mine um and mine are about nature and what I breathe and what I see I get excited about the smallest little insect I'm like oh what is that and I can't wait to go to Piney Hollow so I can find all these little things that you don't care about but that's not fair if it's something that has been in the works for seven years and approved and bidded on and spent money on I want you to follow through for me my niece somebody else's kids other people around the tri state area for the economic benefits in the township people are going to go yes you have to drive but there's gas stations people are going to spend their money in our town then they get hungry they're either going to spend money at Wawa while they're there or they're done and they're going to go get an ice cream cone or they're going to go to the din or they need to stop and get some suntan lotion sunscreen or bug spray there's money that can come in you're worried about putting it out but in the scheme of things I think you're going to get it back there this place you go to like the birding websites and stuff this is listed this is a place that people want to go let me go please I'm I am begging you because I'm really I I don't you know people are excited about this Township I'm fairly new here and to the way I kind of describe it is it's an intersection I want to be able to describe it as a beautiful place for nature and Discovery so please maybe you won't ever go there but for the the ones that do and the money that can come into the town please follow through so much has already been spent in it you do the math you know it's not that much in the scheme of things and the distant future I think we will all be very proud of you if you do this you can say we voted for that thank you thank you the Marshall 67 New Road Malaga good evening you I really can't say say it much better than what they did the only thing I want to bring up and I don't know the monetary value of it but she reminded me of something have you ever been into EST Mana Park it's a beautiful Park uh got boardwalks in different areas things along new lines but have you ever seen the volume of people in brings is Hing the amount of people that brings from other states and from within our state we've gone there a couple of times it's fantastic it goes through different swamps water areas woodlands and it's got any area that's wet it's got boardwalks to walk on and because of that it draws in a huge volum of people from all over that are into the nature side it's something to think about it it could very well bring Revenue in the town uh the other item I want to talk about tonight is the resolution 12624 uh I haven't heard anything back from the different pictures and all I sent about the flooding in our area since the bank PVE their parking lot but I urge you not to release the bond on that till that investigation or whatever you're doing is done till we get this issue resolved and the 16 homes around us aren't having this problem any longer thank you second proof reports Po and approv correspond and the post second oh tror hi uh motion to appr minutes from July 9th 2024 motion appros minutes second all in favor hi hi approv Bist approve the Bist s Mr yes Mr Keen yes Mr Mark yes mayor yes for per is O approved resolution 12124 authoriz M Camp motion r 12123 signment Mr the yes Mr King yes Mr Mars yes mayor Bren yes resolution 12224 the fireworks ptic R 122 Mr F yes Mr King yes Mr Marsh yes may bring yes what this man these are people that we already pay for the sub St for the G day yeah cuz it was carair right correct we had to do another contract and stuff cont really better but most of the stuff from commity that rolled over to this year do it right now right uh resolution 12324 War contract the P 6 T 2022 Ford boce interceptors allhe drive vehicles from Nelson for to escnj co I second Mr P yes Mr ke yes Mar yes may BR yes and these are replacing two Al WS or um these are part of the plan for when the Enterprise leases come up will actually own these where the the leases F Enterprise CH good the resolution 2424 off administrator to account FR to apping s f from New Jersey stairs under the V mediation act and big the bre question R1 12424 second Mr Pella yes Mr King yes Mr Marsh yes may BR yes pay motion for resolution 12524 knowledging a directec c minister to M case consideration of SDS RF C discharge site remediation Brant 16 1696 motion for r152 yes Mr Keem yes sister Mars yes BR yes resolution 126 qu4 second Mr F yes Mr King yes Mr Mar yes may Brun um man um this comments for that Bo this is the was comments the engineers staying to release this Bond the engineer told us to release the bond the the retention Pond that that Mr Marshall was talking about during the rain is next to the actual Verizon uh some p is there road opposite side of the no that is not it I'm talking about the stream right next to a bit CL Bo woods now it's killing every tree in our thing and bu mean I've sent you the videos you told me def fact me you have not I forwarded it to the engineer the otherwise that handle that I I'm not nothing no he's call me a thing but I'm not I'm not a water expert they are so everything was sent to them and they're the ones that recommend releasing the bonds I don't I have this is CM yes some fun for Gen you I believe that 10 resolation 147 points for appointment of Des already rich7 motion for R1 12724 second Mr fella yes Mr key yes Mr yes may BR yes resolution 1224 off great ta detention the r bution R1 12824 second Mr sell yes yes Mr Mark yes SN yes reolution 1.94 C disabled glass 12924 second yes Mr yes Mr Marsh yes M yes pres 1324 offer I the solic soliciting of Ben with Friday center and library a back h b with ch o r13 s Mr Kell yes Mr King yeah Mr yes L bir yes resolution 13124 requesting approval the LGs for the creation of a trust by R train replac versus the r 13122 second Mr pan yes Mr Keen yeah mrar yes mayor poo yes be for resoltion 132 24 or contractu t to Serv connection with the p direct ta motion the motion res fails resolution 13324 off line bat with five iron to R1 320 second Mr faell yes Mr ke yeah Mr Martin yes mayor bro yes 134 party R 13422 second K and Mr P Allen yes Mr King yes Mr Mar yes mayor B yes res 354 D mayor to sign a sh Show screen T Frank C use R1 135 T second Mr yes Mr K yes sister Mark yes yes now that play kids to go there what it's it's a situation where mono has for for he want Monroe Township residence so their business administrator recation commission reached out to us because we don't have one as there's a quantity of Frankling pound children could one play so this is the way we can enter into this similar with the out Township has taken over the field but they don't have anything against it so the Franklin Township kids can play and hell can make made join late this is what monra was going to do but because of their warns they need to have shared service free Plus we the recreation uh spoke with the former people and they turned them over Elks of yes yes so some part about buying those Nets why that's the that's the C there was a whole situation with that but then out requested to use with this combined lake so Recreation Commission n myself turn them over to them and then when they're done with them they turn them back motion the V will be on September 10th 2024 first ordinance to gording 1024 amending J code 337 section 2 Section 18 regway Street openings Road opening for is second second call in favor uh next one orance 1124 amenity Township Code chapter 179 red Bas paint s all in favor third is orance 1224 set drivers r p pration trust fun 22i 42572 12 second all tror hi we get public he be September 10th 24 can motion the second public por motion open the second public P second fa do John stiic 2075 Main Road uh Mr Marsh just to make a few Corrections there have been improvements at the baseball fields there has been new fencing and I believe they're putting new fencing up and I would agree that's a great expenditure of taxpayer money which there are a lot of great expenditures of taxpayer money Mr Marsh you know all about that you collect multiple incomes based on taxpayer money and I think that's money very well spent I hope you collect it for a very well long time while a police pension and your income from Township committee that's correct right yes technically now like I said I think it's tax money very well spent the best tax money spent is to our police officers and our school teachers and our military um I also believe taxpayer money spent for open space is well worth it also um now I have a question about what is the impetus for this uh open space allocating funds for open space and uh Farmland preservation and basically setting parameters for it like you guys already have the power to deny any money spent from that space so that we have believe we have the power to deny open way doing you know like hour to say till that money can down to or it's way down and it draw our attention right r n realm that we part of to our attention well that we're not using that one way okay so where where did the $50,000 limit come for acquiring this just something we we put in you change it to say we want to spend all the money one day and not have my so okay it's different T in there so it stre in now as I understand that was something voters chose um they chose to put tax money towards open space and conservation now you're putting a $50,000 limit on that I feel like you're usurping the power of the voter tracks with the statute the the statute the the apportionment that's being proposed the set forth during the statute that allows to be H1 faring this is simply a a housekeeping uh a clarify of than a allocation with okay the items set forth in the proposed ordinance are taken directly from the statute which requires public heing which will Cur of T so the statute alls for um he these C and and it is in discretion of the like this is the discretion of the Govern body to two muchad like uh well $50,000 uh to acquire lands for conservation I mean there's acquiring lands for $50,000 is unreasonable I mean if you put that kind of limit on Farmland preservation no farm would ever be preserved um this how is completely dimin to us yeah I think it wasn't it was up as long yeah that that wasn't a purchase that was that wasn't taxpayers purchasing the money and there are we we expect $50,000 to get right well to facilitate the acquisition of that absolutely which is appreciated yeah the vast majority of our transactions about Parkers wood RS other funding sources okay um it would have been nice if you guys had the courage to at least deny the bid packet for um ping H out instead of just doing a no vote I felt like you could have just voted now hey still um so it's it's taken me probably thousands of hours of advocating for the environment on frin Township to learn that the environment doesn't count for much in this town basically if you're a friend of the environment in Franklin Township you're an enemy of the people um and I feel like in that regard you all represent the constituents very well because you feel the way the people feel um but I feel like limiting $50,000 to conservation limits what the people might feel in the future so I urge you to reconsider those limits um and I'll I guess I'll just leave it at that thank you good evening again Barbara hurn it's about the open space trust fund ordinance there are several issues with this proposed ordinance first the statute gives you the power to assign percentages amounts of the annual level Levy for each of the uses approved by voter referendum which are open space land and farmland acquisition and debt from such Acquisitions no other uses were approved by referendum the statute is clear that the only way to change to add or delete uses or to change the amount of money that voters um will pay in their taxes to the fund is by referendum not by ordinance I've read this multiple times and it's really clear you cannot change it by ordinance so you need to vote a referendum to expand what you can pay for add of this fund um your ordinance amounts add up to more than the yearly Levy which is not at all what the ordinance Allowed by Statute requires it is regarding the yearly Levy and not yearly spending your math equals more than $125,000 between the uses even without forming preservation that's what you get every year $125,000 you cannot give Farmland preservation unlimited as you have to designate an amount or percentage of the yearly Levy of the $125,000 each proposed spending must be judged on its merits and not CA by a figure such as 250,00 I here the state says you can open separate accounts for each use inferring the purpose would then be to bank each Year's excess for future projects of the purpose stated for that account the statute does not give you the power to cap the amount of spending per year and for good reason because many years there is a balance left from prior years and it is within the power of the tent committee to decide by ordinance when and how much they wish to spend on a particular project I suggest that you reread the statute because it's very clear that this ordinance that you're proposing is totally out of line and does not follow the ordinance at all on warther L thank you yes right a marshall 67 New Road Malaga uh as you remember back I think it was the March zoning board meeting you probably had heard from them and you know you got pictures from a lot of the residents I wasn't the only one that issued the flooding pictures there were multiple residents came forward at that meeting spoke their piece it's on record gave you the pictures it's it's a bad issue that's occurring our area that has gotten progressively worse with each expansion but since this bank and they took those trees out it's got horrendous horrendous so it falls on your shoulders now as it destroys the woods behind us and everybody's basement I brought it up I've explained it to you I gave you proof and you denied her it's on you now this picture she said I was up to my knees of water that day and I still went out there and looked at myself Mr L righty there was one picture next to me feel bad most of the pictures were in the SE across the street and you were blaming this now on newfeld bankam at email that you sent to all of us you were blaming it on in one off and dollar J which makes no sense whatsoever cuz there's a giant burn in the center of the road which we from going into that seam and it's like three4 of a mile away from we back let me let me reiterate maybe I should resend that I'll spend some time with you and go word for word because we're missing up almost every point of that email it explained that there's been consistent exponentially increasing flooding and it explained about how they that was that was the most rame we Reed the 14 year in a period of 24 hours actually it's not cuz I also sent that in a follow-up email to Mr Finley and showed documented cases where we had four storms before then oh yeah either way it's nice to prove you wrong over and over again the we're going to skip to that point at moment being you ignored it like I said you got 16 residents are going to be breathing down your neck over this and I was trying to stop it and you ignored it and you just proved it again why ignorance the stone mulch we've talked about that repeated CCT you I responded to your email and I drew out to those pictures that you took so that's actually the opposite ad Z my due diligence well you actually didn't respond to me I didn't respond to you because I realized that your whole email was a for you just said you responded to me how I responded to your email by driving out to the picture that you would take it well I'm not omnicient so I wouldn't know that that's not a response to email maybe some email etiquette needs to come forward also I sent one of those to you too on how that they state has classes on continue on that was the very first thing 97 was about which is a great way to start off a relationship so ahead this we'll take the higher Road here and I'll let you just keep mouthing off the stone MCH of the dollar stores I brought that up multiple times I have dates January 1st February 13th March 12th every time I was told that CMA is on their punch list now haven't heard a thing back now they put more Mulch on top of the mulch they basically buried the weeds with mulch of the dollar stores again so not only did they do it a legal the first time they've done it repeatedly since then so what's going on with that porch toown Road no this is the one right near me at this point they just remoted all the what should have been Stone mulch I check with them again because they have been out to them and also porchtown Road porchtown road is still on a temporary C so their punch list it actually was bought up at the meaning where they're the ones actually obtain and 40 is the same company so that was bought up by CME to them about addressing wown but I'll ask about the one near you also and I will get a followup from this one from somebody on what's going on because I mean where to get the point where we're over years for some of this and this has been over a year now and I'm just wondering what's going on they've added more mol to something that shouldn't occur obviously they're not listening to any advisement is that any reg plans yes it states Stone mulch only and that was because of your data the SE stated this Thursday back chasing and Thursday s chase out and I don't either guy he was in Fr board on well he does PCH down that's on the deli drive but I'll call Ed tomorrow I mean I have a couple to call Ed tomorrow find them Happ yes sir Malaga park was brought up earlier and I just I have couple things that I found back in Mar May 9th 2023 there was resolution 106 2023 that there was a $78,000 grant that was supposed to be used for the hockey ring in Malaga park whatever happened for that because they said nothing's been done okay because I know the people are complaining nothing's been done to the hockey ring know okay just curious what like the September 7th EDC meeting the liaz on there had called the rec committee leaz on the sits on this Council and it sounds like the parts were ordered to fix the park but they were on back water what's going on with that they notified us that they no longer have them and can't get them so the back order turned into they don't have them okay so that that's need very good okay so that's that's basically you're back to investigating Parts again for slides and the equipment weren just into deconstruction and reconstruction Mo so you already have estimat and B company out all right June 13th 2023 Township committee meeting a resident employee of the library came up and asked about the HVAC system at the community center yes uh you had mentioned that there were multiple estimates all in excess of $250,000 but the whole system was needs to be redone and it was in process but that was back over a year ago and then I see the C was just given $50,000 to we have to do the specs so many p is like 500 it's like 500 more Fe the whole system has I understand that that's name that was today so now we can go out the bid finally because we have the entire system the engineered and ready to go but what I don't understand is why aren't we using the engine company to do it for free they do all the same thing the CME just did for Z to a taxpayer ly electric does it South JY gas does it this is rep this is oh I know but they'll come out and do a building evaluation and give you an estimate evaluation on how much you're losing or whatever this all these work like their own phone bar were spending C water to $1,000 a month for fors it's just it we got 20 some years out no I have no problem with that I just I'm having a trouble with them and I had talked to companies about the energy audits but they said that they're not coming out to look at a 20-year system the best thing to do is get a bits back and replace those thing that to come out for like lighting and stuff like that but what I'm saying is if you use an hbac company to do the estimate for you put the and you give you the bid if they don't do it they're responsible for it it didn't cost us $50,000 I'm looking at just brugal spending is We on why are we paying CME $50,000 when other companies will do it for you because by public contract law we have to have the bid specs for something of that magnitude to be put out so we have an engineer who's on staff that that's part of their job to do the bid back package and then we can put it out for bids to the hbac companies we can't put it out to the hbac companies to tell us what we need it has to be done by contract law so that's why everybody's diding to save the right I understand it just seems like an exuberant amount for C to be spending on a system that yeah it just seems outrageous by do good evening gentlemen and Robert uh paring highway I uh I'm new to this party so I'd like to see if we might be able to get some clarification on the treat ordinance yeah well what clarification on the treat ordinance that you guys passed uh couple weeks ago what uh can you explain it to me Matt what miss the speaker please this we can't hear director we were amazed yeah State the DDP mandated uh based on storm water management principles that uh every municipality in the state enact they they uh tree protection ordinance as they refer to it um it took almost two years uh for the TS to be hammered out uh through significant opposition from many many towns uh this is one of many uh from Trenton ordinances that have been enacted in the last three years that are of General application to every municipality and that don't take into account the the whyde difference in New Jersey between towns whether it be size W versus urbit anything so this is if ordinance uh again that was required to be enacted that the governing body had to vote on it but there was significant we had many discussions with the state uh we were at the at the near near or at the deadline to enact uh about repercussions that would we would not uh passing n and they would revoke our storm waters are stormw permit so that's that's the history of of how it came to be it was originally supposed to be in uh locally adopted in a 2023 calendar year got pushed to this year and and it's Now command to and omous Pals so with that being said uh who determines whether it's a hazard tree a tree that needs to be removed it has to be an arborist that's what's in the ordinance that's the state said you have to have a certified Arborist if you're saying it's a hazardous tree or a dangerous tree an arborist has to give you the evaluation and then you would be exempt from the ordinances parameters fees you exempt from the fees of it's hat and it falls under one of the exemptions if it's just a regular tree you're taking down and you are supposed to apply for a permit and we will follow through with the way the ordinance carries and you also have to pay for tree be planes you or you have to replay treat yourself from the it's not correct so that means you got to pay for the application to get the tree cut down and then you have to you have to go buy the other trees to replace it based on its size who P up there the new jerse of the state she consequences remember that we sub we do get rid of that that was strictly the draft from them we inserted our information we Mr lons and I spent many meetings trying to get DP based on our circumstances here with Wells and septics Mr FAL some of the other committee people all had multiple questions we were almost 2 months late for the final deadline to approve ours and is all we got was pass the ordinance your questions are around but good then who hires the ARB the consumer or the township consumer okay and then uh my next question is I think if I don't know if I'm accurate or not on this it says you can only cut four trees a year on one acre property and fiveyear bank I mean we didn't act on that no I'm sorry sorry I have to review it and have a sub conversation with it as far as the attack parameters but there were limits there limit um outside of the right to farm and whatnot other other exemptions no we're talking about res where that's saying there are other exemptions Street trees correct no no no no no I almost my absolute sit stre tree to didn't it start that's what we 52 should have passed the B for and we stop calling I so in other words if it's a hazard tree get so if it's a hazard tree then you're okay A a train and you bring in the certification it makes the tree it makes the removal of that tree except from Death tree yeah de or dangerous or design treat right right give it if that's is that standard that the replacement costs are are yes you're exempt from thatl you're allow replacement cost or cost from getting an application but the the person the resident still has to come to the town they would just have to they would have to show the doc you still have to come to they have to that's but they can do it they can if they call in they can send it in be an email if they have an arare saying this tree on the property is no good and there's picture included then that would be noted on the on that property that that was there and saved and that would exempt in the application and all that this the the hazard danger stre and who's who's uh enforcing on us come we have our code enforcement guys housing Police Department if they see people out and about doing stuff with the trees other citizens can people they don't have enough to do we raise those issues we we raise enforcement issues in a town in this size with the resources that we have hey do we realize how many tree guys are in this town you all and this is some legal some illegal but it's it's going to be it's going to be every town in New Jersey is that like spring to word November good luck you got a lot of work King Carolyn talbet I live on Judy Avenue and Robert is way too modest he is Forest tree surgeon he is an operatus and a utility specialist so he is the best in the business and I have worked with him for 1520 years and when I first found this business I had a tree that broke in a storm and was laying on the wires and nobody was a grownup not the town not the electric company not Comcast not Verizon they were all babies so I was the grownup and found forry service and I've used them ever since and not only did I have that tree taken down that was on the wires but I had three others that were in danger of that it's I had him take them down too so I can tell you I live on a very wooded property and it's a double lot it's a big property so if I have a tree that's sick or dying I'm going to call Robert at for tree service and I'm not going to pay anything to y'all I am going to pay to me yeah I'm not paying anything to the township to take down my trees and guess what I have no room on the property to plant anymore I just want flowers they covered that too and Maddie knows me from the Children's Garden at the library I am the lady that has made this Garden restored for the children of this Township thank you one last thing I am thrilled beyond belief that you might restore the children's playground at Malaga Lake because I have talked with Mr Finley about that so anything for the kids thank you I dear what's your kind great commercial listen listen did you give her a check for he charges big bucks he is wor he's a wealthy man and I'm a poor retired school teacher he is a surgeon he surgically writes at Phill you got that right but but he's worth it and you've got to have it properly done you just have to have things properly done read it say hey we make by old commercial trck like Frank Paulson ber Avenue come that's right I his brother I'm better looking at him though me I know see how it goes anyway uh with this tree ordinance stuff we who's going to be responsible if there's you you sent somebody out and they said there's nothing yeah exactly there's nothing wrong with that tree tree falls down and Crosses a person's house now you didn't let him take the tree down no has nothing that deck yeah who's who's responsible for it though who's liable if the you send somebody out and says listen I'm not some want take tree I takee just got they got to pay for got toay for or they put money to a fund and we can play one somewhere else so my understanding then is if there's an emergency it comes out what about emergencies are we allowed to take care of emeres and I know we are we going to do it anyway not going to stop anybody from doing it tree folds in your house your house L house we just Let It Go um so that's where I just said that's that's the for Dangerous trade so the suggestion I would make is that in that kind of situation you're called out Mr farest is called out and the trees half snap laying on wires laying on a house just snap a picture of it so that's not you is is that up to us or the homeowner either or somebody's got to do right so if I snap a picture of every tree we cut down for storms like this wind storm it came through Friday all these tree guys are sitting back here all out busy cutting treats we don't have time to call in and say you know I will I will send an email tomorrow to DP that this was bought up tonight since they didn't want to talk about the tree ordinance I just scream dude this is this is the biggest car since we've been I've been business this 46 years never seen nothing question to them and asking a situation like with the wind whenever were treeses down what does that constitute yeah and see if they answer me back know that they will but and you know everybody sitting here is not going to wait for a phone call back from them you got a Trad it down you want a tree gu to come out you want to come out that night FR I think you're answering your question trees down right it down well hazardous trees hazardous trees we we don't need permits for dead hazardous trees you go I got I got my way screaming at me because that 5 acre lot that I Bard on Birch Avenue is loaded with dead pine trees and she says don't cut any more of them down I'm going they're dead there's the phone down there is yeah so thanks me answer some questions still don't like it though we didn't either it's a it's a l oh sorry now we'll talk CL second all in favor libr so for