##VIDEO ID:qG-2yUUlJfk## okay 7 o' I call the uh December please stand for pledge of allege flag United States of America the stands one na indiv okay we're to the public meeting after the south of times and the sen will notified of this meeting was also posted in the municipal building and on the FR count website you to take B you're right Mr Gano here Mr Leo Mr Ketchum here Mr gello Mr desar Mr Hamill here Mr felisi Mr glacius here Mr graer here okay in the absence of which one do we have mik garolo or Cy okay minutes for the previous meeting is there a motion to approve minutes of the previous meeting motion approve motion by Anthony Gano your places all in favor I oppose one exension Jim K okay first on our agenda tonight is ZB 2408 name of Chris and Joyce Kelly please come forward Mike is uh all the documents are in order yes notice y notic okay raise your right hand please you SAR to tell the truth about Tes you your name and address please Chris Kelly 151 which Lan Kelly you okay why don't you explain to the board what uh what you're here for what your application is all about so we're uh seeking permission to uh we want to put an addition on the house and the way is designed and the way the position of the house is currently as built uh it would encroach on the setback that is laid out for front yards the proposed addition what's the distance from the proposed addition to the line to the lot line yeah right now it would be at 51 or excuse me uh it's at 55.9 right now so we would be right at 15 our our engineer has going to be 46 plus or minus of has okay and you need 75 so we were told we came in and spoke with uh Chase and he said that that property would be under the stipulation from it was built under what stipulation for the set back apparently for that zone it used to [Music] be again like I don't know if that's I I'm not sure if that's a concern or not I mean if I can I'll let them explain some things let me give you this little overview because Dave our engineer is not going to be here tonight so I'll sort of take over with letter you know I discussed at some length you know whatever issues you had with this we wanted to clarify so this this house is has only has access by Butch's link which is been access by reported easement um they have a maintenance agreement um so they're they do not have any Frontage on an approved Street at all so they have one of their variances is that they are constructing in addition to a house that has no Frontage on it includ up Street um the other variance is for the the front edition um 46 ft or 75 is required I'm not sure about what the off might have told you again I know that that's a major concern here um they're back in the rear of this compound so to speak so which other hasard and and the main issue is that the other variants they need is that if you were to Grant this because you find to have a hardship um there has to be adequate access for Fire breing Equipment ambulances and other emergency vehicles did you get any kind of letter or feedback from the Fire Fire official on this can you take a look at it I know that note was sent over to them but how would that change is the house there is there access to it now well because they're expanding significantly to 300 foot so it's it's an opportunity to make sure that there is adequate access what is your what's the width of your access and surface and so forth so the driveway as it sits right now it's 12 ft wide it's Mill and then there's shoulders on both sides and then it's clear pretty never measured it Ian it's significantly so if you were to to Grant it you have to Grant it a condition that does have that add access they would have to make sure fire department takes a look at it to make sure it sounds like it's sufficient reir John said the house house there what fire right now right circumstances that well the application is an opportunity to make sure it's safe for sure in case it has what is the road the road is this the road that's my driveway sir where's the the come off to St at right where stand it will not show up on that survey we are off thead yeah you're way back there find this place W probably not many people do find it no that is but now you're but your address is going to be exactly what1 and it's called Dirty way though H what's dirty way is that what you're saying no that's uh engineer speak for a stone or gravel J is that sir line offensive it it is dirty in the summertime when it doesn't where is the the Dirt Road D access from right from Stan yeah uh it belongs to my neighbor and it if you're looking at what is the front of the house it's an additional 780 ft beyond that but it's not my property there that's why the survey doesn't capture it so bues Lane sort of Branch out back and branches to you our driveway branch branches so bues Lane has access to more than one place so it branches different I there's a lot of buildings back there and they're all yours I assume on your property on that parcel yes yeah you own that parcel you do and how many other houses are on butcher link uh I think there's two or three other addresses back there behind me the owner is sitting right behind me so he can answer if you ah there you go just had a couple questions about the addition when I'm looking at it a little bit confused so when you're finished with your renovation your addition how many bedrooms will you have and bathrooms so there's a four there see five bedrooms five bedrooms three B how many kitches so um that was the only concern Dave and I had about plan we thought there was going to be a renovation with going to renovate the whole house and that a nice big kitchen and but there's two kitchens five bedrooms two bath so um which raises the issue of whether you're intending to use as a two family dwelling or have more more family there which isn't permitted in that zone so my mom lives with us so currently she's in the basement um so the kitchen that we currently have is a small kitchen that would be her kitchen um especially have to do steps and then the addition with the kitchen will be what our kitchen is without a separation the dwellings obv the board grants I think you have to make it clear you're not granting the Flor plan where the kitchen or a multif family dwelling they're going to have to get their permits and for some reason that's not allowed you get die because I just there was no notice or anything like that first of all yeah we're not that's not what's before the board just putting all this for us for an addition from a leg standpoint is it a multi family drawing if your mom lives with you you'll charge your rent and put you have somebody to live with you when you start constructing another kitchen you have five bedrooms and B it sounds like they're time for something more either these people or the sure somebody buys the house here right turn the wall up there you go so um if you were to Grant it you're just granted an addition but not the floor plan or in addition to a single family so that can so that'll be put in a motion yes that's not going to be a multi family right it's just residential use or not y so you say that's that's wide open say again I'm sorry that's wide open right now that's the plan yes it's open the dings will not be separate they will share the hallway we we were instructed as to what would need to happen to make sure it wasn't considered dlex and we willing to do that one one front door one back we still you still weren't approving that that ton I if you approve it you're just approving an addition addition to a single family that's single use that's [Music] it is that all the our Engineers concerns or are you guys um basically that the M that's the one thing we discussed was to clarify that um the access was the other thing in his letter um the standard thing where it's subject to grading plan with the municipal engineer and so forth and the other permit and there three variances there's a street Frontage there's a front yard step back and there's the access by emergency you find it there's a hardship it does need variance for that uh for the emergency vehicles that's just something we want to make sure that they they have access to he actually does so when you don't there's two sections of the statute which Dave lays out um one is that the structure has to have Frontage on a street and then if it doesn't the board has to determine that there's a hardship and that there is access adequate access for emergency V and that's under under Z board jurisdiction any other comments if not we'll open up to the public make a motion to open the public motion by Anthony G for a second second favor I oppos extensions anyone from the public like you heard regarding this if you would come forward sir and we'll swear you in raise your right hand please state your name and address for record you sure to tell the truth about the testimon you're going to get thanks so um I know Chris and um there a little over a year um they're the nicest people they great neighbors um we uh we're kind of we almost have like a marriage in the two properties and that um the property they have uh is is a 3.99 acre um landlock piece uh it was part of of my family's original uh larger traic we cut it off uh bought that off from my brother he put the original out the three one wasn't over time um well he sold and um I had I've got an e there and they kind of marriage between two properties is um we're sharing we're sharing in the maintenance of of of the driveway Christo's uh chis uh M the side of the shoulders uh responsible for blowing the leaves off I do the great over time when the original um East was drafted um it was it was just dirt and with traffic over time the once my brother sold it the new neighbor came in and it kind of went it down there W up putting a uh basically a second dwelling in the basement it was uh uh there was a husband and wife and three kids Liv in in the basement upstairs another the husband husband wife and uh mother sometimes brother-in there but then they go other accessory uh structures people live in they kind of went C there um and we're we're kind of it's we try to get along there it's essential that that we all get along um just because of where we are you get major FL fire you get snow storms somebody has a health problem um I've got tobacco I've got the cloud Chris has equipment and whatnot we are our properties are married but we are all the necessity got to get along okay let me ask you you how long you've been there for almost all your life Road and that road's been the same basically now has there ever been a fire truck go back there for any reason yeah they do I I keep it clear my responsibility don't get ahead of yourself there have been fire trucks back there not to his house have to M to yours about to yours yes you're further back you do control burns back there on a regular basis so um and I keep it clear fire fires or something and any kind of fire is something I'm very concerned about I've got uh I've got the fire chief Nowa Fire Chiefs uh phone number in my in my cell phone so you buy back there first first number you call is 911 second number you can call is my cell number I'll come back here we'll take care of the houses Fire Company fire Serv take care of the we're we're well taken care of that I'm just concerned not that there's a fire but that a fire truck get there they can get there concern yeah those other equipment not concerned that not concerned and Dan is never concerned about the turn around he don't worry about it we'll turn the trucks around we just got to be able to be quiet enough and high enough to get them back here that's okay you're you're good yes that way yeah we're fine the the issue the the concern that that Chris and I are kind of uh have grappled over is getting getting the the FR portion of the driveway that goes to his house hey cu the the amount the botum of traffic that goes into that part of the of my driveway is uh is mind botle um it and it's turned all the millings into I have pictures if you like to see it but it's it's basically Cal power in a lot of that uh that driveway um just just from theine traffic it goes to that line the rest two other my residence and what used to be my dad's residence they back there served by the same road which is is fine no problem at all because it doesn't get this enormous amount of traffic that goes into that FR block part of that uh resulted from the prior it was it was a duplex there was a whole you know wife three white husband and three kids in the basement and uh and four wife and a husband and two other up top it was I mean it was there twoes sir you're not opposed to this being done I'm not oppos what you want something paid yes that's right well that's something you have to look out with it's really a private road it's a private road yeah yeah with with with an agreement for maintenance and whatnot just trying to grab I think Chris is Chris is struggling with I bought in getting this thing paid now it it was about to be paid when he bought it the couple got in got sideways with each other they got divorced and got a chance to PID how many feet of P would you talking 800 it's first P estimate his estimate got is that from but's Lane to his house is that his his only ISS that property do you have any other issues that you no I listen I'm happy I'm happy for I I've met his mom she's nice Wonder like I said I think you have to work that out with that's probably and I I want him to know and I want the family to know that I'm supporting I'm trying to get along we're just kinding of grappling with you know the house you know half $18,000 is 9,000 you know it's like that doesn't sound like much until you have to write that check I think that's I I even I don't the 9,000 I got to put out have anything to do with me to do with that property I'm putting ,000 any want put it out just like you got other priorities um that's our that's that's the issue but we get fire trucks in there we'll maintain it if we don't have this maintenance agreement can get fire who knows trees fall this that the other you know if you comes to Wild Wild West but wait a minute this is still your driveway I'm sorry it's still your driveway and you're going to maintain it yeah well the part that goes to you you're going to maintain it you have to yeah yeah okay well just so the knows there's the extraordinarily detailed recorded maintenance agreement like I've never seen one that detailed was drawn some years ago and recorded so there's a whole lot of exactly who blows the leaves who mows this who does whatever so they have something to work with they're going to have to figure that out you have I don't think even as much as I endorse him he's really grapping with this getting us thing PA I don't know I hopefully we can work it out I came here to Endor endorse him and his project even though I mean it's basically you got two kitchens you got three bathrooms you got five bedrooms you got a um yeah the the the our our agreement has provide for no tenants well he's not here for an application for duplex we're not that's not even something we going to talk about because it's not something he applied for and that the public was aware of well but you it's a single family BL we're all we're all I we're all might have been night last night you got two Kit three bedrooms five b or five bathrooms you guys and yeah I can tell you haven't lived there all these years the reason the roads and the shape that that it's in the traffic because it's there's just a lot of traffic that goes for that well they they testified that they're not going to utiliz uson allow the board the board grants this be with a condition that it's a single family dwelling only if they want to do something else they have to come back for a variance and if that does happen then you just go The Zing officer for enforcement well The Zing officer they can't enforce no I'm talking about the use of their house single family okay I I end thanks for the history anyone else like to be heard I make a motioning the public second anthonyo all in favor I oppos anybody obain okay Mike any more comments I no I I think Dave I mentioned the highlights of that un if you have any questions on I think think we kind of stuck with what's here okay on an unimproved Road that's not going to change so and there's already uh house was there so gentlemen you heard the testimony between the two people what do you think what's your uh what are your thoughts what's the motion before we go a motion um and if anybody can answer this how many total houses are down PES Lan there's his yours and you said your used to be your father my D the there's three okay okay three dwellings down the RO okay there's another one that used to be accessed through there I cut a road back almost half a mile that was my only question to Jess R but I did because the road can't sustain a level of traffic which is exactly the issue that I'm TR the level is that's a problem but at any rate only three there used to be four thank you three hous okay I'm going to make the motion approving this addition with the setb knowing it's on an unapproved road on the understanding this is only a Syle family heart nothing Beyond I think I had to do what else I had to do there the front variant the front yard set back the access for emergency vehicles [Music] and well I think we got that make sure that we that's that's my all right Mo by Richard glacius is there a second motion on that motion I second second by J C Mr haml yes Mr katano yes Mr Ketchum yes Mr glaus yes chairman graer yes good look working that out in that page I think you I don't think you'd have any problems sounds to me I I hope I hope you're right you all right okay resolutions uh yes we had two we had the vounty brothers properties um which was the um modification of the previously approved site plan um which was granted be separately separately yeah because we have to vote differently on this right yeah so let's do the mo a motion for ZB 2415 resolution to scoty B motion to approve that motion by you weren't here I was here anthonyo were we the resolution from Prescot we're approving it what thought we approve first thing we did for last week the resolution oh oh yeah no problem got Mo BYO second by glacius all in favor I I now you want to do well the second one we'll do that way for sure okay the second one is the a RCR Properties LLC um which was Den not do you any more further on that or no uh yes um probably something if you wanted to discuss we probably discuss in the close session um they would end up having to come back before they could actually proced of an appeal for instance they would have to come back and ask for the 10 ft again because you never made a decision on the 10 foot you made a decision on the E so at this point they do have Sol the op of 10 ft so they would most likely come back as for 10 Fe if they were both denied then they got all right a motion to approve arcr Properties LLC make a motion to approve Now guide us on this vote because it how you voted that night Mr Gano is the only one that can voice the vote CU he's the only one that's here from that night that voted in favor of the motion it was a motion to the motion right so we can't vote no okay we the a little fast thaner that technically the people who the people who voted in favor of the result of the application are the ones who can vote on the resolution so you're saying anth is the only one who was here well who can second Andy and then that well you I think somebody the exstension goes the exstension goes in favor of the motion so even though he abstained he would count towards that correct so I how DET ham can then have a voice all right so taana voted you're voting to approve the resolution second second and the rest of us are just sit there quick can Doone call I guess Mr Gano yes Mr Hamill yes this one's gotten very complicated well chrisy went took this darn coures now sorry now you give us the secretary report if there is one there is not there is okay so how do we vote on that approve kid just kidding all in favor any correspondance from uh Mike no there's not see any correspond no there is not okay a motion to adjourn make the motion to adjourn my Gano second by Jim catcher there you all in favor meeting ad jour for