the meeting minutes of vote to approve some like to continue the May 13th and June 3rd meeting minutes uh to the 624 meeting I'll make that motion someone to second I'll second all in favor I next is a notice forent it's a continuance from March 25th um regarding um the noce of attent file by David Ross Associates for Robert laier for the property located at 12 2128 Road it's D 16668 understand they get the delineation um has been completed we're just waiting for his report to be finalized Y in his findings that's correct all this will also someone like to bring it up for um a motion to continue to the 24th of June I'll make that motion someone like to second that motion I'll second it all in favor I the next is also another continuance um I'll go through this one uh the Conservation Commission hold joint public hearing under mgl chapter 131 section 40 in the wetlands protection act the city of gardener Wetlands protection ordinance under a notice of intent followed by allpurpose storage LLC a Gard LLC represented by Christopher Puda Fieldstone land Consultants will work on faral x22 1316 8-4 and 9-8 at 143 col Road the project entails extension of existing storage facility including seven storage units four of which are located within the buffer zones of a bordering vegetated Wetland this is uh D file number 16664 U this is also a follow up on a violation and enforcement order we just um came back from a site visit um all those were present were were there um on site as well and we took some pictures of the existing conditions and the work that has taken place since um the filing did you state your name for the record uh Ken Robinson with field [Music] Consultants thank you for taking some time to meet with us before the meeting I appreciate it it's good to get out there with you and kind of go over it all perfect so this is the restoration plan that I've been working on based on recommendations from Doug and our discussion last month um so the area that's cross-hatched here this is the fill that was placed in the wetlands that we saw today 1750 ft um when compared against previous delineation records um so as part of the restoration obviously all that material is going to be removed um also proposed removing the asphalt that's in the buffer zone that was already proposed to be restored but to make that one action um proposing to put Sil fence around the remaining proposed building area to isolate that buffer and wetlands from pretty much from around this area this is the sil fence sh here the single line purple hatch is all proposed buffer to be restored so that's Excavating that asphalt fill back underne material how many square feet is that I don't have that exact okay yeah you still working on it it's something like 15,000 square ft wow um and then so the intention there is then to loam with clean material and to seed that with a New England conservation mix um Amherst Wetland plants they're now in South Hadley I don't know if very familiar so they have both that Wetland mix um which I've called out here and it has all the species in it is like CH pie weed some sedges rushes um and it's designed to have pretty much self-seeding after one year of viability um as part of that seating there's a 2-year observation and maintenance to Ure 75% viability in reproduction within the seated areas um and then based upon our site visit today I think something that needs immediate attention is to stabilize that ramp um the thing is with stabilizing that ramp it probably entails some type of a Swale I think we could look at doing like a a mulch berm at the top to redirect any storm Waters away from that um back towards where there is that drainage there's a catch Basin where the building extension is proposed so I think we could we could work on me just to prevent flow from going down gradient that way um and as part of that it's also all those materials I'm writing an email tomorrow all those materials would be removed stored Vehicles asphalt tailing file so we have a technically based off work so how is that going to work with just at least getting all that the equipment out of there and the storage trailers and stuff you can just authorize you know in like two at the authorization of the commission Au dictate obviously would uh you guys have agreement with taking everything out of there that yeah kind we're starting from square one like tell them step by step like so there anything else that you want to address or you can think of that would be helpful I mean definitely open I want I want our next meeting to be that you guys are willing to authorize the rest of the restoration and all that removal so here's my my concern right if we say we have some other issues out there on site what's going to happen to all these repairs cuz we have a lot of people come before us and go hey I'll repair all that if you give me the permit to do this so but I have communicated to our client that that permit is on the back learner this needs to be addressed and until this is addressed we're not discussing in that Perman okay thank you so I I think I mean I if we to put it up or vote but I say we moove all the trailers the ambulance whatever else is out there within the the wetlands or the bordering vegetated Wetlands do we do 60 or 100 ft I don't know what do you what's feasible because I mean obviously they need to get all these people to go move their stuff right so I mean I think practically speaking they should be able to at least relocate it to that upper yeah parking area I think that's a reasonable and to do that they're going to have to re redo that ramp they'll never get those trailers out of the way it is right now right I think they need to do that anyway I don't think it's going to be a significant amount of work just to fill that rut in so they're not blowing a side wall on a tire or something but yeah probably SM you do that ramp for just open it up for I I think all that stuff should come out but I mean it's not an jurisdiction right well if it's in 100 right is that a jurisdiction yeah so can we say is everything in within 100 that's parked down there right now um so this is that 100t here um so everything that's along that back in that back corner um on that side but what about this side all this side um is all within the 100 um I don't know if you can see that clearly that so this is outside 100 everything else is with good they want to move it Clos I say we let them temporarily repair that ramp the burm is out of I mean well the burm is in our jurisdiction too because where would you propose this burm so I would just propose right here putting like mulch some native like natural material that just to stop flow setting pen lock mulch yeah just like doing that and then maybe we could also look at doing a silk fence there with steak ha Bales behind it I like that better what do you guys think cuz I mean it's just not just things to be a lot I mean you you have to reinforce that level put you almost have to put two yeah you do want some of it to not [Music] so the sil fence needs to be installed a foot deep anyway so I know but it blows out still right that's why I'm saying the hail behind it and maybe put a second layer s f we trying to get out of D that's a good idea wire back yeah that's a little stronger that's a good idea you ever used that stuff yeah it's hit or miss some places don't like towns don't like us using it and they want the all natural biodegradable stuff yeah but this is more temporary to resolve else I that's abely so make a note of that and then everything within 100 out of there and so stabilize the ramp um and then when you get that ramp stabilized let Doug know then when you put the you know get all that stuff out let Doug know again so we can go out there and just look at the sil fence but I really I really I'm adate about handpicking all that trash out of the white LS and that's I know the stop work but I mean we're at that point where we have to spoon feed a little bit at a time and hopefully when uh by the 24th all that stuff will be cleared out of there the trash will be gone the the temporary silk fence will be up and you'll have your plan MH okay that's my intent I appreciate that so we'll get that right this is just discussion yeah got I didn't want to go 10 hours into yeah just let us know what the actual square footage of your all the different hash marks you have right so it's called out here and then E I started y yeah I know what you're doing I and I appreciate that it's easy to see um Norman do you have anything you want to add to those list that list of stuff no good you guys on this side BR or anybody all good yeah I mean I think the 100 foot is most things in that pad if I'm looking at this cuz that's the 60s even that so yeah you agree with that it's most stuff down there in that because I mean that ramp is like really close it's pretty much everything on on the right side yeah well even the left it's it's all anything in 100 right I mean that's the left side too right okay so let's get all that done just keep ducking the loop if you need them to run down there or send him some pictures if you're on site yeah I think um definitely worth coordinating on site together to yeah make sure we're moving in the right direction y going to have that there needs to be shown in good faith yep and then the violation and force M will continue until all this is resolved we talked about that briefly right no that's um okay so we'll continue on the till the 24th is that enough time for you yeah it's going to have to be so okay someone like do you want this in advance so you can review it if you yeah technically I mean I know it's was it seven days uh it's 14 but I think at this point we we know only one would know it's Duncan mhm but he's with Doug a lot during the week I mean oh David yeah I mean if you can get it to us a couple days before but we all generalized know what you're doing or I just want if to take a picture to show these guys I can I mean I can leave this here too yeah leave it leave it with Dunc that way we can take a picture and send it the David a noral I mean uh Duncan will stop by that way it's even faster and um and I'll send you if I don't have it completed I'll send you on Friday in progress that's even better okay thank you someone like to make a motion to extend this um to the the 24th meeting so the second it second all in favor thank you for your help any new business you want to go over thanks um just hot up press not on the agenda yet so again not to necessarily speak one way or another of informing you to an nli for 68 Acadia Road um detailing construction of a single family home within the 100 BU as the OT um did you say no build Che so I have to request a digital copy from the app I've not gotten digitals um only just paper so obviously I haven't send them to you guys yet over email but um you I'm just getting myself so okay anything else where was this on the aadia road 68 aadia road is that towards 60 uh West Street it's got to be towards the West Street side I haven't been out there must just came here yeah I haven't been out there I just opened the envelope today um still waiting on 50 Mana the other storage up past the DPW building I had told you a quick site visit with them um couple weeks ago now and you know they had just been um they put this on the the way back burner thank you um for quite some time obviously about a year and a half um think was December of 22 to three 22 it uh they applied originally um but yeah they just put on the back corner after they got some strong feedback um now they're ready again soon um so that should be fourth coming [Music] um waiting to you know to reiterate waiting on the 122 128 WN well bation which occurred last week just obviously the report is going to again forthcoming for that um I am going to have a sit down or office visit we're still kind of work up the details with the Bas State racing folks this Wednesday at 9:30 um any of the commission members are welcome to join sort of just like a con consult kind of a question asking on their part they haven't officially applied for anything or submitted anything in terms of paperwork but you know due to the complexity of the lot as well as the size of the project they are you know just tempting to do some due diligence on the matter um I informed them of the open order conditions currently on the property regarding the single family house Construction done my gamma they were actually unaware of that until I told them about it um so they got again this another one where they got an occupancy permit without El so I don't think whatever engineering firm gamma use sent it in to Reg stre so it was never recorded properly um at least that's what appears to me like I don't know obviously that was so the building permit's been closed up our order of conditions which I'm referring to is the permit I don't know what building permit well I'm just asking because it's on the checklist when so it's open they I look at the MK the cep noi database open it's and expired 3 and2 years it expired February of 24 so it was issued February of uh 21 um they're valid for 3 years off the off the bat without extensions and obviously didn't apply for extensions so as of now it technically has an open expired work conditions that was also technically recorded I asked M EP if that still counts it does um because they have it uh so the perspective buyer applicant of this new project is stated their uh commitment to resolving that um their intention to um yeah I not had any direct communication with them yet aside from what you know will be this Wednesday so just wanted to let you know that spoke Wednesday 9:30 a.m. this coming Wednesday yes so I guess I maybe I'm not fall on this but so they had an open order conditions you'd think it was never filed but they're in the property so that means the bill Department gave them a sign off right so gamma opened it but they're going to be inheriting the property and all of its per because I guess this keeps happening where the building department signs off on finalizing the construction and closing it out but on the checklist they're supposed to come to us so it doesn't happen so they can't actually get occupancy until we sign off because it's the building department the DPW there's like four or five of them on that list and we're on the list yeah I remember Doug used to I mean um Jeff used to bring them all the time to us and we'd have to sign off that hey they did everything they Clos it out and we're good to go so I guess I'm trying to make can you just check on that process see if it's still in place yeah so I see on the on per viewer stuff comes up um but nothing but internally you're supposed to be notified that they're doing a final inspection and all that fun stuff nothing to do with D or firein it's in in house the building department the commission is supposed to come up and get signed off yeah so I get notified when it comes my way I guess I don't I mean I you weren't here then obviously I I'm trying to see where the breakdown I guess I can retroactively see when it was okay I can read others yeah on well cuz gam hasn't had it that long that's what you're saying right this thing was 3 years ago G's only had for but they did a lot of construction out there couple years okay and I'm trying to find if they did they close out their building and we just got missed I think that was when Sophie was there um so you know two things did they move the sewer or the manure pile out there yet uh as of our most recent site visit it looked like they attempted to do so however you know looks like the machine got stuck due to the time of the year so I have not been out there since um cuz I frankly don't know going the property and I don't know who going to be talking to if you drive past the opening of that where that you can drive down to the house you keep going down 140 maybe 500 ft there's like Wetlands there there's flag all on there right now brand new what would that be I mean it's literally there like wetlands and it's on a clump of I don't know who got in there with Muk boots or something hip waiters and there's orange Flags everywhere in the wetlands did you see that I didn't see it there flags out on the bike trail too I'm not sure if that has something to do with the bridge or if it's [Music] them there yeah that's yeah so there's one this is 140 right yeah so if you where's the where's the if you're driving it's got to be in here in here is all Flags yeah that's all the brook orange ones I'm just curious I've never saw them before it's up in I think it's up in here yeah it's also that's all but there's orange Flags in there I've never seen that before just curious if you know anything about it no okay where is your meeting going to be on Wednesday at 9:30 I don't know I maybe office but I I I don't was speaking with the uh attorney the city retained um I'm going to call him back tomorrow he you know wants to be there but he's also qu off so yeah clarify that so might you at that me figure out who owns it yeah so pull a property C who's going toal go to the go down to the assessor's office P the property this is all well this is all the very beginning of the process right I don't know if they close on Earth if they're in the middle of closing I don't know um sounds like they're pretty serious I've taken a bite at the Apple you should be able to get that property C online yeah you should know ask like I said I don't just got to go to the who owns it now until it's sold yeah all right and then um any other new business um no nothing as far as new new business or orp forms um then under old business what any update on 170 no Street no like I have bugged damn safety to death about it they sick me yeah but I mean that's that's on them no I know I'm just saying they're can we send them a letter like a certified letter saying that requesting some movement on this they just don't brush off haven't we sent them the letter like that before I don't we've sent them certified mail certified mail can we send them certified mail will they accept certified mail the the markis or no no DM safety I don't I mean it seems like we're just sitting here and he's waiting to just hopefully we forget and damn safety is just not doing anything and we're stuck here what was your last communication I you looking for yeah [Music] um oh well well I I spoke to one of their staff on the phone not as long ago um and just same same story I mean it's nothing can you just send me the last correspondence on yeah Dam saet basic comes back to D say oh yeah it's kind of unsafe yeah I know and then what that's why I don't even know where we're supposed to do next I don't but I think it's on them why is it on us well I I don't think it is it's just that he has an open N I don't think we have anything to do he just has an open Noy um frankly you're free to probably discontinue the I don't want to discon because it's not closed out this is what happened last time it just everybody wait for it to disappear I've also been speaking to the engineer bardi um what's he say there just kind of waiting on papers and can we send one more certified letter to Mark homas Moz I I mean sure send one more haven't been given the everybody remember what we had to do last time to get him to actually accept letter right we had to serve him papers yeah yeah I mean let's send it well let's send it one more time I mean can we confirm the address that it's going to yeah yeah just let me know tomorrow all right a two it's a 2-year window right starts yeah getting close without yeah 2 years without showing a good faith effort to want to so again yeah check the date when it starts at your discretion thanks thank um the other thing kind of fls my mind briefly um I just want to reach out potentially looking to donate a little slice of land for the cont committee you free to accept your decline it's a process to go through it's nothing um special or crazy it's like just you know4 Acres formerly residential lots that are no longer uh compliant with current zoning um it backs up to a stream it's down Mill Street it doesn't have an address M between 200 I mean 3:30 M sorry we calling earli discussion um sis right here um I sent an email earlier currently one by Wendell SS he called me on the phone and I had him send an email as well stating his intentions just you know obviously to get writing um that's a little slice right here yeah even um is that running water or is that just oh yeah that's a real um he says Douglas PR conversation on June 7th 2024 i' like to donate at clot of land own Gardener du the conservation this is L SE on M Street and is situated next to 330 mil Street I have owned this lot since 1986 and according to the city of Gardner cannot utilize it as I had intended 3 years ago therefore I hoping the consecration commissioner will accept the donation of this land and be able to put to use um the deed on this property can be found in book uh 11366 page 95 um please contact me for additional um again kind of tough to utilize necessarily for conservation purposes um it's just a in a residential primarily area um but does protect the land sure yeah like I said did you reach out to City solic to find out about I did he's on vacation until tomorrow so I have to get to I drove past it today oh okay and it's it's Woodland and it drops right off from the road okay so there's no and our houses on those other properties that you mentioned that are it looked like had been built up at one point but not that and it's obvious you can't build on it you know um but it's probably all Woods up until you get to the water and it's a straight drop off the road yeah I mean like you said I don't know what we could do with it yeah it's uh it's not like we're going to give access to a river that someone can put a boat in like a kayak or something oh we went through similar situation with janers down behind the uh oh yeah Lumber Company did we end up taking the land or no no 46 Acres he's still paying taxes on I guess they probably pay taxes on that too I'm sure that's one of the reason River stream maybe what stream is it Oster Baker Brook Baker Brook but on that deed that you sent it said pale pale Factory Brook pil Factory Rook pil Factory Brook Brook Foster yeah there's a foster Brook every yeah there the process of this obviously yeah it cost some funds to do the closing we've done a bunch of these over the years yeah I mean cuz one time someone wanted give us like the flooded wet land that we kind ofers yeah there's nothing cuz there was nothing and we'd be like liable if it flooded whatever so we just said no on that one but this one doesn't sound like that no all right let's just see what the city say back it from there anybody have any other new business or anything else to go over you have anything not tonight you feeling okay I'm good goe I do um Garder museum has an exhibit an Art Exhibit right now of uh and the artists are from GAA Gaya uh and it's on uh conservation land and so they've got 30 pieces of artwork there that's going to run through the middle of August they had their um Grand Opening last Thursday uh I went and um so there's paintings there's mixed media there's Pottery uh all kinds of different things and uh focusing on all the different kinds of conserved properties in Gardener including dun State Park uh Lake Wildlife Sanctuary other natural places animals Birds frogs cool things and it go through August it goes through August maybe August 25th so it's a coordination between as I understand it Gardener Museum Gayla and the north county lamb trust and so um we took some of our remaining massachusett trail maps over there work um yes they they had two sitting there and added to the to the pile so it's a nice a little exhibit if you get over there to the Garden of Museum between now and August really cool paintings by local people on about Lo the land interesting we check that out thank you are there hours for this regular Museum hours check the museum I think they're open Wednesday through Saturday Saturday Sunday did you check no I did why not you're right down the road yeah I'm right down the road all right someone like to make a motion to end tonight's hearing I'll make that motion someone like to second I'll second all in favor thank you