##VIDEO ID:gfWbSSXThFw## all right all right let's get started um first on the uh the hearings is no for 10 the G of Conservation Commission will hold a joint public hearing under mgl chapter 131 section 40 the white lands protection act the city of garden will protection ordinance on the no of intent by followed by G engineering on behalf of Roy copin for the construction of single family home at 68 Acadia Road this is a continuance from 8:26 and it's been pushed to September 9th do you have any other update on this one um other than the yeah other than the man version of the updated plan I have not received any update from the engineer so this when when did this one come the 19th of August so they haven't really but they did ask for a continuance until they get in front of the all right zing okay from Z that's right all right someone like to make a motion to continue what's our next meeting I'll make motion 23d someone all in favor thought we going to get rid of it all right just U moving on to the next one The Gardener Conservation Commission will hold a joint public hearing under mjl chapter 131 section 40 W protection act in the city of garden Wetland protection ordinance um under no 10 filed by David Ross associate for Robert laier for the property located at 12212 Road South this is D file 16668 want to come on up can I just give us an update of uh where we stand and just go over your letter quickly if mind yep so um at the last meeting we presented the revised plan and we got this to be kind of late in the game so we continue just to allow you guys to have more time to revie the plan um um also in that time I just did a quick cover letter just kind of going over everything that was presented in the meeting um it just talks a little bit about the um the updated Wetland line the original line was uh shown in blue here um the revised Flags incorporate this hatched area here that extends out to this green line they've had a corresponding 30ft offset we're showing the 60ft Wetland offset and then the 100 foot buffer zone we went over um the plan changes to get the proposed addition outside of the 60t Wetland offset um and then the only other changes to the plan that we've made since it was last presented was in going through the comments that were issued by D they they had some uh concerns with some of the tree cutting was going to be done outside so we wanted to leave the limit of work along the 30 just to make sure that that gets protected but we added um in these areas where there's cutting additional a ro control that would just be installed you know during the tree work portion of the project so the number of trees did they go increase or are they still the same number we already looked at uh it's the same number I think there was two two additional trees yeah and um I found another Dead one by the by the shore I don't know if you got marked on this one up here in the back yeah well that one was added uh those are all [Music] gone they pack up there's a um Maple where is it right here that's sitting on ledge and um I think that one there so but in the meantime there's like four trees were falling down that were an original plan which they're not on here because they're gone I mean they're already dead so the total amounts about the same well the problem is we well I was just going to ask the ones that are right near the Shor line what's the deal with those you already these are the ones you look at you already approved all yeah I just okay how long do we approve those that the one way way way back that would have been original RDA okay okay yeah it's been a while yeah that's okay I think these are the ones you and I walk yeah exactly there was some others over here that we had added but those already fell down so these are all staying here and these are all well I did a whole I did a whole um five CH or big CH that had everything on those were all approved by you guys what about this one that's in the hash mark this this Maple that says damage that's it's staying yeah okay oh stay gotta got so I I know that we've been back and forth on this the the owner did due due diligence moved everything out of our jurisdiction for the most part right anybody have any comments on that go ahead I just had a question I missed the last meeting or whatever so I was just there used to be like a trough right along that structure remember that I mean that's where the foot bridge is what's it deal with that now I mean what's the plan for that at the time times that running water almost yeah so it comes right out of the existing foundation and what was on the original proposal was to put a foundation to hard pipe within there and then fill that ditch in okay so that that pip will daylight kind of WR down where it comes out remember I figured I just we want I think it was wasn't it yeah okay that seems a better yeah option so you addressed the D comments you addressed the third party comments you met with third party our engineer out there that we work with Y and you came up with this plan I'm just kind of summarizing it um everything's been moved that we asked I think a couple things beyond what we asked have been addressed so I I don't see anything else I'm okay with the project um I don't know if you guys have any comments on it J got any thoughts on this um just because I'm still getting caught up with the Dynamics of the project itself so after those trees are removed what's the what's the plan post um for that because sometimes if depan the dynamic of the commission or the dynamic of DP they typically want to see things brought brought back or replan way is there any thing that you mean more new plantings in those areas yeah would there be a placement plantings for the and we didn't call for any and D didn't ask them to put anything back in their [Music] comments all right anybody in the in the audience have any questions or comments no and that's that's the well proposed well yet right it's for the house yeah correct all right I'm good thanks someone like to make a motion to end the hearing I'll make the motion want to Second it I'll second it all in favor I thank you so I don't have a problem with it um I think everything's been addressed uh there was a bunch of comments from an utter uh we passed that information back and forth they did send some comments back but the third party that we had them acquire was involved with this with this redesign so there's no need for another redesign meeting on the same discussions that were qualified on site there's been some addition Communications back and forth to the engineers um on both sides so I think we're ready to go on this thing um some like to make a motion to approve the the uh plan for 122 120 road I'll make that motion some like to second that motion second all in favor I so move is approved so yeah so um the order conditions be the standard order conditions and then just basically um you might want to write this down there's a I I'll give you the order of conditions that we normally use um it's what we pretty much call our standard order condition so really what we're looking for is just when you're going to start um so we can get out there when all the the controls are in place so we can have um justtin or a couple of comom come out I already talked to him about that I'll I'll put all the wles in I'll shake everything I'll give him a call before I shut anything any all walk through the whole plan yeah and then when you're halfway through again let us come out there and take a look and Justin will make periodic Ty visits no problem and then um take when would you like to start well you going have to wait he's got a 14-day period no I know I realize that as soon as you can yeah have to go swing out you it's a tough road in the win no kidding you guys are welcome all anytime yeah you've always been great with us like this yeah uh we'll keep going uh The Garden of cons next on the agenda is the garden of conservation uh commission will hold a Jo public hearing under mgl chapter 131 section 40 Wetlands protection act the city of gardener Wetlands protection ordance of those 10 followed by allpurpose storage Gardener LLC represented by Christopher guda Fieldstone consultants for work on parcel ID Tex 22316 8 through 14 9-18 at 143 Colony Road Project tails extension of existing storage facilities including seven storage containers four of which are located within the buffer zones um this is uh a DP file 16664 this is also a violation enforcement order with this project it's like another continuance from may26 I understand you got did visit this house met with Fieldstone yes now I met with Ken Ken Fieldstone and um what we stop was they basic basally staked out um all the primary areas of the project both the extensions the the area which they're going to remediate and then the outline buer zones that they're working on as well okay no you have anything to add in out there they've seen it the most probably yeah it's uh you know they had all nicely marked Blue Area they're going to take this stuff out uh they were supposed to get down in there to look pretty thick I don't they get down in there you know whe the yeah what it drops off yeah the guy is going to do a contract work supposed to take a look at it did I didn't get out two times I went out there it was there was nobody around so could nobody in the office or anything so I could get out there cuz the gate was open for a while now it's been closed yeah and youve been out no not since we were all out there one time everything's cleared out of it there's only one car in there I on that lower area yeah oh all the trailers and everything out there yeah everything's out it's all up top the trash has all been picked up and everything well for the most part yeah it's uh just that one car left there he doesn't know anything about that one how about the infill area over there do they St all that or underne attention lines when you're going down a little ramp to the right that pile yeah it's still there yeah but they they it's part of where they're going to remediate yeah they is is that in West minnes no I don't think that part is I think the other those other trailers I've you guys heard about that are so it's close that tension line that border yeah it is yeah but I don't think it's I think I didn't realize that they were going to be putting two storage shest out of well they're not doing anything until we approve it but that's what their goal is yeah well the other thing is you know and I don't you know that that RightWay that RightWay is going to have all kinds of construction in it that's what the new tow yeah I don't know I I think they need to make sure they do do due diligence with cuz they they can't drive under those lines it's and you know over the years you you you even think about infringing on that on the high tension wires they right on you there's no excuse to be there at all yeah they don't even I've known people that been out there blueberry get kicked out yeah you know years ago yeah so what's their plan now they're basically waiting for us to tell me they can start I think one of the questions I think Justin is is they want to know what type of soil they should use as a subsurface well they need to get an engineer to tell them what they need to use we shouldn't be telling them that yeah no I know that yeah is is that how you address it with Cam um well we told we discuss it yeah they need to get engineer to tell them exactly we're not Engineers to tell them what we do fails it's on us well they they felt like they had to put 2T of soil you know have put two feet alone oh they need to get somebody to tell T should know what he needs to do so where do we stand right now besides them us telling them what they what they should do with the SWS they I think I think Justin can just get back with Ken and tell get they need to give us a plan of how they're going to do it what they're going to do yeah but they also got they should have we should have a letter on file that they contacted New England power whoever owns it yeah but that's that comes down after the I know but you don't want to give somebody permission to do something that now you should have been given yeah that's on that but yeah we'll get to that point what I mean you might you know I think the wles and all the sil fencing and all stuff should go up I thought that was part of the plan I thought thought it was already up no it's not up I thought he said it was up too go ahead one of these means they said it was going to be put up I just assume it had been put up it's not yeah don't they have to scrape out all every yeah yeah so they haven't done that yet Sil fence everything in place and then clean it out but they need to give us a point how what they're going to do to remediate it right and I think what the problem is is they they don't want to do too much because they want to go back in and put their put those two containers I'm not put them to get not at all yeah cuz that's that that was that was wetlands and they admitted that it was Wetlands right then then the guy the previous own filled it in so let Ken know in an email that he need to tell us what his plan is and what types of soils needs to get an engineered stamp drawn at what he's going to do I thought he was on in the process of that but in the meantime she get all his Sil fencing and all his Waddles in place plus I I look to see a letter from from Power once we get going yeah but they should theyes have that already so I doubt it no no no I mean the water and stuff I thought that was done yeah I did too yeah um what when was the last time you out the abom today oh today there was a meeting all I did was fill in the road going down the wash out yeah we haven't had any range to wash it up yeah okay well let's do that for now someone like to make a motion to continue to September 23rd I'll make that motion second all in [Music] favor I did mention to him that probably it's going to be continued tonight yeah I think K knows he knows the game a little bit so the next one uh 17d Mill Street this is again this is um continuing he's backing there doing all kinds of work what type of work is he doing doing he moved a lot of that while what was a building all the junk out of the building with his X just moved it up stacked it up yeah so he hasn't done any damage or anything well I don't know he's tell he's in the well doing work no else a white jerkey yeah somebody's Lo somebody's he looked like a regular turkey but it was white whatever can you take a drive by 170 M Street and just see what they're doing for work take some pictures and then let us let us look at those pictures and then um get a hold of mdam safety this and emails that you probably should have already and let them know that there's some movement on site and see what they say so you to get pictures send to the commission get okay if you can't find that let me know I'll EMA you who we were talking to all right someone like to make a motion this is um going back uh someone like to make a motion to continue this to the September 23rd meeting we'll make that motion I'll I'll second all in favor all um under professional development um I was in training today and some certain person sitting next to me was in the same training as I was I could not see the screen today at all for that D Journey was it not displaying I you see it I yeah their shared screen was on mine it didn't I could just said there was a technical error with with it so if you want to just kind of go over what your training was today uh yeah so um today's training was uh dp's presentation on Wellness protection 911 and it goes over a lot of I guess a lot of boiler plate specifics of you know going through the process of you know applications um certain roles of buer zones and Riverfront area and basically stands for you know either oncoming staffs as much as myself or Commissioners that wish to have a refresher in that specifically you know to kind of have an open presentation and discussion about it post um there's going to be another session I think September 17 I was off and on the call I had it in my year but I was doing the stuff yeah I'll double check the email you sent out yeah refresher yeah yeah a lot of the durations when they file how long we have and how long they have 5 days to report and yeah so that was interesting I always thought it was 14 days but we always done it before in the time frame but I thought it was longer um but it was very inform did everybody get those emails I got the one that Justin sent out that yeah they sent them direct you want to check your spam cuz I got it right from that I think I did too I may I've been getting some M well this is DP though right this is yeah I I think Rebecca actually sent yeah both Rebecca and Kim sent it to me I think probably about five times yeah yeah you got a direct moment too I did yeah it was good I mean it was a little long but I thought it was very informative for like yourself it was a good refresh so yeah they also went over a couple of the process for e as well which I have just as a like instead I have been trying to go through the proper steps to recover old account um because typically our EDP subm was supposed to be an archival account agent um and we after talking with one of the representatives from DP I don't think we've had our what should be our monolithic account in over a decade um so we're just trying to go through the process so that way all the archives stay in one place and so we can also potentially make the process of both filling in orders of conditions for determination as well as getting them to be appropriate parties a lot faster yeah I kind of think it's odd that I don't see Lindsay not filing like that what this is the it's e filing basically I don't see Lindsay not doing that I just don't see it she's right grants and everything all for the so it was 12 years you said so I one one of representes told me one of the main State accounts hasn't been active since 2012 so about 12 years and and potentially within that period this is just a theory so take whatever I say Sol but um potentially when a transition happened there wasn't um there potentially wasn't that firm transaction of that knowledge to the next party and then and then over the years there have been accounts made just by either each agent which is which is typically what they don't recommend just because you can't get the same archival all sequences but and then others have just gone with the old fashion analog style which is just mailing them out to both D and the respective parties um so um as for right now we're still taking the steps to figure it out um I think my request was just um my first request was just denied so I'm going to go investigate see what we have to do to finally you know get through and fix that we should be good time you know that sounds odd like you know like Lindsay and even the other two you know they were up on that yeah but it probably didn't transfer over is it likely what happen yeah May yeah and probably several people didn't transfer over yeah was it on that all that Pap work I gave you from Doug oh the uh from the drive yeah no so what was on the dve is basically just a copy or like a copy of what we already have on um fil for everything just to make sure that the commission's still in in the with whatever projects may be at or not all right so I sent you over some that the mass Dam safety contacts um the other thing on professional development is the MC fall registration is open it's um Saturday October 19th from 8:30 or 8 to 3:30 I don't know if you guys all got that this one's at Fort devans at De common I don't know if anybody's interested in going I got to check the date but I might want to go so I think you should definitely go um Justin do you want to go I'd like to go yeah I'll definitely not all no yes absolutely yeah I'll um check the DAT guess things you've been doing wrong we we've been doing a right oh what we've had somebody attend just to every one of these yeah between I went last year I went together and then the year before that did you go no I haven't been in the fall ones I've been in the spring ones yeah and I think David and I went one year together I'll check I know couple times yeah I've gone almost every time yeah got check the date though um so if everybody could get back to Justin and um if you're interested in going we have some time but never go too I say so we need to get payment situated it might take just a little bit of time to get that process down so and there's only one meeting between um between that and the next meeting so let's vote on some fees and stuff um at next meeting just so we're all covered in case we'll vote enough for everybody what's the fees and I can it up it's we got the money you know you know usually not that much no holy cist not I think it's the annual yeah um it is $135 a person yeah that will break up might drag my son along all right anybody have any new business do you have any other updates or anything do for us um taking a couple site visits over the past couple weeks um can't name them all at the top of my head but one of the ones that I did after we got an inquiry last meeting was I went to um the 27 Green Street um to take a look at a project that had come down the line through our open go server um one of the proposed um projects going on is uh a Communications Tower that's going to go in the upper left part of the parcel um when I looked into the USGS maps mass mapper and every different layer that I have to double check just to make sure that I get a solid story of whatever Wetlands features are happening in a current spot I noticed that the USGS maps showed a perennial stream feature going very close to the proposed project area and uh when I did go out there I did notice um quite a bit of flow I know we've had a couple storms here and there but I don't think the mount precipitation been great enough to really alter you know any type of flow rate um by such a percentage uh so it in order to I made contact with d and the parties involved with the proposed project just to let them know that have concern for this potential perennial feature we should be in contact because there might be additional permitting required before they carry on and go through building it um because it's a perennial feature they that's Riverfront so um and it and I do believe it does trickle on down into curly Brook uh so it would if the this work is within that setback it's within the setback of what's considered an outstanding resource area because it's potential drinking water so yeah but I'll be in contact with um the parties involved including the surveyor team and and and their Consultants to kind of navigate through the process is this communication Tower theirs or from company they they lease the land that's typically what happens now the The Proposal other AG that left he he M didn't want it there right and they they they didn't realize that they they were in the wetlands or or whatever the South people now has it been moved since the original proposal I think it was set back a little bit wasn't it yeah I think they I think they might have moved it but I'm looking now but I don't know I mean they got to give us some updated drwing where is this it's a h track oh that's when they went out there last time sorry I didn't get the right yeah when they went out there last time when they saw the P to the right so but Doug was really concerned at the location if you could find some an update and send some drawings out make a copy for Duncan of where where it is no I'm just saying you know me see what you have was in the yeah but where's their drawing they're proposing so they're proposing be kind of great yeah what's this line here that's the brook right that what's this this one I believe be one there this [Music] one yeah cuz you that St off I'm the blue the blue L right here at the at the uh the on they have they have in in the tow responsible for that yeah and and the Reas people they quit trust at years they said no yeah it's G saying it's going right in this area here oh yeah yeah that's it's going right here that's still pretty they still pretty close yeah now do they have a a stipulation like they do with the U turbines a fall fall area in case it falls over I don't know hi the towers yeah I don't know if they do in in zoning they had a a requirement for that that's part of what the cell the cell tower people do it falls off over what's it going to hit might be pretty close to the house they said this one was 150 do you have their filing the filing for this I'm surprised they want to build one they don't DP or conservation file they only have I must bead I heard they can't just pull a building per and expect to be done they need to we need to give them you know they need to come before us and present so make sure you tell the building department yeah just to make sure yeah I I I think I can before he came to work with us on looking 143 Colony Road he also stopped by there Fieldstone was one of the so they haven't come before yet they they yeah I just preface that they out of the concern for those resource areas they may before us with then potentially with an El has int because of the not only the ecological concern but also theologic concern as well we can't do much until they come before us but just make sure bu Department knows that we we have some concerns but it I mean it does raise a concern about these building permits that somehow don't Loop Us in it's that close to a wetland re I mean I know it didn't happen he pretty good about that um but they need to it's I believe it needs to be checked off on the permit application that it's been is it used to be yeah but we I don't remember the last time I got a building per that's what I'm saying yeah see if was still on cuz for years when when I first saw we had to fight like the building per sign house you get them from here for yeah for conservation for yeah was you have you signed any yet I've signed a couple of them yeah and what why what were you sign like did you know what you're looking at and how was it presented to you like did they say here just sign this I'm asking what did you have for information to sign off on I had access to site plans and you know all the attachments that they were required to present then I would look at the maps and if if they were closer to Wetlands I would attempt to contact the parties for again for theci that's how we got to go to [Music] 827 conc that's in play yeah it isn't play so um but is it on it I can't get to I don't have I don't have a login for this one and then the the website is down that's good here well if it says select then you can't select any I'm about right says select for the building permit yeah and there's nothing there you have to clck the on the all right what else you have um I guess one more is I took a site visit out to Riverside Road um the the proposed bridge that I believe you guys um were involved with a couple years ago I think it was 2022 was when it was last brid is T that's do you know the deal in that yeah the bridge they got set there sitting there yeah yeah somebody gave it to them yeah it's an old rail car it's an old rail FL if you if you down over the bridge like you're going to go in the jum right there's a bridge sitting there that's an old real car it's a what no rail car flat bed yeah what right that's the bridge that was a weekend project to tear it out drop the new one in and it would be done remember yeah I remember this we went out and looked at it did you go with me I no I went on my own just check it out it's a weird the last time going to repair it they hand it hard and pull around in the meantime an individual went in and repaired the damn thing they just who it was but yeah so it's all so what's the plan now so right now they have submitted um their most recent plan to Templeton and I went out with the agent to have a joint side visit on what it currently looks like proposing um I think there are a couple more let me see if got it so I think there are a couple there are a couple more solid points than the three that are shown on the original plan where's our where's our property line do you know cuz we were out there for a reason I think the they designate the middle of the river as the property so they got to pile B town so they have to pile of both towns and they should be doing it simultaneously I checked in with both the city engineer and the and Tom our Building Commissioner as well um our municipality hasn't received anything as yet but before anything I think before they before they do anything they have to have but on the same page that was a big deal we need floats in the river and MH yeah remember we talked about that they were going to do everything we asked didn't do it is is this is the plan still to use that bridge that they got set in there one that they have at the recycling the auto recycling center yeah yes I believe that they still want to use that that'll bit fast though okay what else you got did they give you a time a time frame or you know I haven't got a specific time frame yet slow flow conditions they can possibly do but that doesn't say you know designated day it's not October 16th I'm just waiting on correspondence for that all right other than that those are those are the main the main updates that I have for for the commission appr so Justin and I have been communicating by texting a couple phone calls so if you guys do need to reach out to them just give them a text or call and we talked um once this week you blew me off once and then you and then you called me I didn't mean to didn't mean to I was finishing up no I was I was literally driving to a job site and he called me oh I called him I got to the site open my door he calls me so one thing one thing that Doug did and I don't know if you can do it as time goes on anyways just give like kind of updates versus this right now how many down on paper I think helps us figure out what's going on where you've been to helps you figure out what just find a couple of the old agan reports and um when would a proper I would say submitt so you can review it and have time before a meeting before we I mean if you review if you're on a site and try to get us a report in a within a couple days but if you go on a site in the morning and you can get to it and send it out there it's nice for us cuz we walked in from our day jobs and we can leave it gives us just a brief summary if we don't know what's going on so if you can't get it the day out that's okay but give us you know give yourself some time to put some notes in yeah even if it's very short I walk this today along field photos just and then just leave whenever you give us leave copies on your desk or D yeah I'm sorry I didn't get me a Friday but I I get a chance to read everything that you gave you know so and if you're going to do site visits make sure you call Duncan and let him know ab and if you get his wife she'll make sure he's there yeah right yeah I don't nope so all right anybody have anything else you got anything in the audience did we approve there's no Min I got ask what's what's the latest of the school uh well let's we have to let's hold off on that okay yeah someone like to make a motion to end tonight's hearing so moved second second it all in favor