##VIDEO ID:Grh4hm_tYBg## wor call the glass roll zoning Board of adjustment regular business meeting for October 17 2022 to order Terry can you please read the opening statement pursu to the open public meeting Ann ased theu regular monly meetings for the2 all right can everybody please rise for salute to the flag i al to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for stands one nation under God indivisible with liy and justice for all roll call please think I need to be a little Mr M here Mr Alice here M tamola here Mr Harvey present Mr santour Mr Smith here Mr perner here Mr Lopez here Mr B I apologize Mr Mr here and miss wman and miss are exced great Mr Alice can you swear on our professional please indeed a gentleman raise your right hand do which you you swear firm testimony about to give tonight is true and correct the best your knowledge information believe I do that's two yeses Mr chair thank you all right everybody has a copy of the minutes for July 18th and September 19th do we have a motion to approve make a motion to approve those minutes second all in favor I opposed so be it all right we also have the bills do I have a motion to pay the bills motion to pay bill have a first second I have a first and second all in favor iOS chairman yes also do we have do we need to approve September 19th because it came yeah I did say that I said both didn't we do okay never mind okay do we have any any incoming or outgoing correspondence all right is there anybody from the public that has anything to say on a non-agenda item only nope all right we have application ZB 24-02 na a Russo Corp 6 North Main block 26 Lot 19 looking for a bulk variance to allow over a th000 square foot of parking coverage here evening for variance onav cover issue evening I havep devel the owner of the propert greim sure then I ask each of those people to stand up and raise your right hand and do each of you SAR affirm testimony about to give tonight is true and correct the best your knowledge to belief all right four yeses Mr chairman all right good call could you do me a favor and put that on the table because we can't say it good evening to building up fr Building Up Front Street let's back up for a second while he's looking Mr Co the the first um exhibit what do we want to call that that's a colorized and what's that represent thank you gotcha yes indeed thank you take it away okay LIC engineer in the state of New Jersey for Mr simus has been before the sport Mr chairman do you have any problem with remembering Mr I remember Mr simate we're talking about today is 26 Main Street the lot area is 20436 proposing a parking area that'll be 9,000 about 956 bu here has a footprint of 2800 282 it's just a footprint the main driveway 15t wide will come off of North Main Street Parking will be in the back of the site we have underground stor management and Beyond we have a total impervious increase of about 6,500 thresh we did design larger system here to accomodate the whole 100 St there's 19 parking spaces uh 13 the other prop line and then another actually there's 14 here there's 19 parking spaces and then another five we have a couple storm water inlets catch the storm R off from the parking lot well no no Mr chair what's what's your pleasure yeah go ahead you can answer that way they'll cross it off as they go along yeah yeah Remer question SL plan first addition landscap this little stilted maybe uh Mr chair we get to this later you okay performance standards page number one is requ for Park comes bses request will comply all the requirements number five safe and un means of and other rooms basement and Attic in emergency compliance will be provided number show TR curve MP col requirements comp the appli office elect file number 14 s safety standards right now parkes 9 bying for that dra system La toway 15 requ AG Drive we okay any have any questions got we she's already familiar with the board yeah Tiffany's been here a number of times we know Tiffany yeah okay good to see you good evening um so my job here is to explain why these variances that we're requesting for the parking make sense on this property um and meet the criteria the municipal land use law um start I got to pull these up I don't know which one's which sorry so um this property is an existing Triplex structure with existing parking in the rear we're located on North Main Street in the R3 residential zoning District across the street from us are the existing student fivestory student housing um this block 26 contains primarily student housing a church some commercial and along um some three small Cape cods that exist um they're kind of like the outliers everything else is pretty much student housing or rental housing whether they're twins duplex or multiple bedrooms um this property was built in the 1900s the house is in not great condition um and so the plan is to demolish the home rebuild a new home and provide additional parking in the rear this lot is um one of the largest Lots in Block 26 it's over 20,000 square feet where 6,000 square feet is required it meets all of the requirements of the zoning District in terms of coverages except for the parking coverage but building coverages and setbacks um we require a variance because of the parking area in the rear exceeds the th000 square feet or 10% which in this case would be a th000 square feet we're proposing a 9,56 square foot parking area to accommodate 20 spaces um or 19 spaces excuse me we're also requesting the waivers that were highlighted regarding the size of the parking space size of 9 by8 instead of 10 x 20 which is is appropriate for a residential use it's not a high turnover use we're asking for a waiver for the width of the driveway to accommodate the existing um parking in the rear concept that is uh existing on this property this application requires a C2 variance under the municipal land use law that C2 variance is where we're creating what we determine to be a better zoning alternative that the benefits afforded the application um outweigh the detriments and that they promote the purposes of zoning when you look at the application it's not just on the parking but you have to look at the surrounding area and how it fits in and how the overall Improvement that are proposed Advance those benefits that are um identified so um in this proposal and you don't have to stand holding this I think we're good we've seen the aerial we'll just lay it down if I need it I'll pull it back up I don't need that you don't have to stand um so for the application we are taking an building built in the 1900s this is a Triplex building I walk through the property I walk through the house it is not a newer structure it has um underneath the vinyl siding is as Festus siding um there are old Plumbing anyone who's had an old house knows if you go to fix an old house you're continuously fixing an old house and this property has been worn down and so replacing this structure with a newer structure benefits the community especially in this area this is an R3 residential Zone but it's a unique location for an R3 residential Zone because you're basically right in the center of the student housing for the college or the university across the street you have fivestory um student housing next door to us you have a several groups of student housing with parking in the rear similar to what we're proposing on the left side of the property to the right side of the property is a municipal parking lot and then you have another rental unit an old Pizza of the pizza shop and um auto repair facility back in the rear you have a large parking area associated with the church and again the rest of these units except for maybe three of them are all duplex or rental units and as you come down the side street here you have additional student housing units so this property aside from the church is the largest property in this block um providing for the upgrade of this property in terms of putting a new structure there that makes sense the R3 Zone permits single family residential this is not a single family residential area it is a I thought you said R3 at the front end of your presentation R3 I'm sorry I did oh I thought I just heard R2 no the R3 Zone permits single family residential and this is really more a nonresidential area especially along Main Street in terms of single family residential it's all student housing it's student housing in converted homes student hous housing in the rowing Rowan University buildings across the street because this lot is oversized it allows us the opportunity to provide parking in the rear and to build the request the the um 20 unit structure or 20 bedrooms um on this property if this were not an oversized lot we wouldn't be able to accommodate this as well as accommodate the drainage and storm water that goes along with this um if it were not in the location it were in it wouldn't necessarily make sense to do this I have some exhibits um photos that were taken of the surrounding area if you can just leave me one of them and I'll turn this in I just want to walk through what they are when they're in front of you sure so just identify just for the record Tiffany identify Miss Mercy what A3 depicts so A3 is a a grouping of four photos that were taken um yesterday afternoon uh the first photo on the left is a view looking uh down Main Street so you have the College housing on the left hand side and on the right hand side you have the existing student housing structures and that shows the scale and how close those units are to the street in this area which gives you the character of the area um not being a single family residential neighborhood but more part of the college campus the second picture is basically standing on the front porch of the existing structure looking across the street so you can see uh what is what what you see from this this property on the second page we have uh the first picture is another picture it shows you the municipal parking lot and bus stop that is right next to um the existing structure that we're proposing to replace and then again that's the same view just looking from that Municipal parking lot out showing you the scale of the buildings in the area and I think it's important to understand the context of where this is located in terms of understanding why it makes sense to Grant the variance for that larger parking area in the re because that's what it's about it's the larger parking area having that 9,000 square ft um this site makes sense for what we're proposing to do given the size of the site the location of the site and the surrounding land uses and development pattern in the area although this property is within an R3 Zone across the street is part of a it's part of an overall re downtown Redevelopment area and then across the street is the Rowan um Redevelopment plan I think that was Amendment Six that allowed and provided for the student housing if you go down towards High Street there's another amendment to the Redevelopment area for the High Street commercial area there's been no additional amendments to the Redevelopment area but this site is within the CBD Redevelopment area and that's important because there are purposes and goals within that Redevelopment plan that are important to how you look at this site and how we develop it and the improvements that are encouraged to invest back into the Community to upgrade the housing conditions to recognize that there's a need for student housing in appropriate locations and to see and understand how this site can relate to the surrounding area and Advance those goals of that Redevelopment plan um this house is in an appropriate location and the parking in the rear is consistent with the parking that exists for many of the other units and uses in this area when you look look at the the site itself and how it's designed we have um the requested variance for the pavement coverage but we exceed the lot area by over three times we um exceed the lot depth requirement by almost three times we meet the lot WID requirement our building coverage which would be permitted at 20% is only proposed at 13.76% so we're under on building coverage we're meeting the setback requirements the front yard setback requirement is actually being increased from a non-conforming condition to a conforming 25t setback it's currently 15 ft removal of the Trix which is a non-conforming use is being eliminated in favor of a use that is more consistent with the surrounding area and an upgrade to the to the property the rear yard setback will exceed the minimum requirement of 25 ft even the proposed parking would be set back further than the 25 ft from the property line and the sidey yard setbacks would be conforming as well we will will meet the required Landscaping in terms of the lot Landscaping of 15% um as requested and identified in your planner report and we'll update those plans to address that we are requesting a waiver from providing an additional uh parking Island in with Landscaping however we are able to provide Landscaping along the sides of the parking area to enhance the site without taking away the the proposed parking in the rear so so so on on the the Landscaping it's always kind of ticklish in these situations but you you're going to try to work that out with the board professionals if this application is approved we can always work out with what I know Doug likes to talk landscaping and we can enhance the Landscaping to coordinate with the planner um it I believe we are going to meet the 15% requirement I was going to say you got some room there so there's plenty of space to accommodate that uh we want to leave the open space in the rear we want to keep the parking with the parking and not create um additional extension of the parking area to put a landscape Island within there no no no no of course of course but we'll landscape around it to make it work and fit yeah but sometimes just makes sense to work with the PO professionals as the project kind of okay we're also proposing all right well thank you we're proposing to uh provide fencing around the property as necessary there's an existing fence that will upgrade and replace on the one side and we'll add new fencing on the side closer to to the municipal parking area this house um or this property um is located in an appropriate location um and so in terms of the purposes of zoning that I believe are Advanced and the benefits that are afforded this application um we have to look at the overall benefit to the community as well as the entire proposal and the benefits from the entire proposal so upgrading and and eliminating an an older core condition structure and providing something that helps meet a need in the community and a location surrounded by other similar uses in my opinion advances several aspects of the municipal land use law um it provides sufficient space and an appropriate location for a variety of uses it encourages Municipal action to guide the appropriate use of development of all lands in the state in a manner which will promote the public health safety morals and general welfare I believe it promotes the establishment of appropriate population densities and concentration that contribute to the wellbeing of persons neighborhoods communities regions and the preservation of the environment I also believe this application promotes adequate light air and open space because we are meeting or exceeding all of the requirements given this lot in the size that it exists with the proposals that we have um before you um and I also believe it promotes the desired visual environment through creative development techniques and good Civic design and Arrangement taking an older home and upgrading it and ensuring that we have appropriate parking but put in the rear of the site so that it's not what you see it's not a driveway in the front of the property it's not people backing out there safe Ingress and egress and it's not visible from the street and then you have a newer home that's visible from the street and creates an improvement and investment in this block um and in this area on block 26 those are the purposes of zoning that I believe are Advanced as well as the additional benefits from upgrading this property and the structure and can meet and fit into the surrounding area in terms of the second part of the variance we have to address the negative criteria does this create a substantial impairment of your zoning ordinance and your master plan and does it create a substantial detriment to the public good and when we look at this we have to look at what the variance is related to and how it impacts the surrounding area so the variance is related to the fact that we're proposing additional parking in the rear of the building and that's why this area which is exhibit A1 I think think is very important to look at because what is in this area is existing parking areas parking behind the student housing next door the municipal parking lot the church parking lot and various parking lots for the other student housing in the area so this is not substantially changing the character of the area and because we're able to provide a driveway with appropriate turnaround and circulation which is important especially on this street because you don't want people backing out onto Main Street it's a lot of activity in this area um I believe that this application doesn't create a substantial detriment to the public good in terms of is there a substantial impairment of your zoning ordinance and your master plan I went through the R3 zoning requirements and we went through the professional reports we are meeting or exceeding except for what we're requesting a variance for all of the standards in the ordinance in fact we're not creating a building coverage that's equal to the maximum permitted were much lower were less than 14% building coverage when 20% building coverage is permitted despite that we want to make sure we provide adequate parking for the housing that is proposed and in order to do that we have to design the site and request this variance I don't believe this creates a substantial impairment of the zoning ordinance because your zoning ordinance wants to encourage appropriate parking for the uses that are allowed to be developed and providing that appropriate parking benefits the entire community and the residents in this area in terms of your master plan your master plan was last reexamined in 20 and it talked about several goals and objectives and specifically talked about improvements to the housing stock it talked about maintaining um existing neighborhoods as safe attractive healthful and stable residential areas it talks about minimizing the conflict between varying land uses which when you have similar land uses next to each other this advances that aspect of it it talks about providing Diversified housing opportunities um and it talks about um again upgrading and improving and rehabbing older structures in the community your master plan has many different goals and objectives and different concerns that relate to several aspects of this community but it's also notes that this is within the Redevelopment area um although it doesn't have a specific Redevelopment plan it has been designated in need of Redevelopment so improvements in this area are encouraged and a positive for the community so by improving this property and improving the housing stock and providing that appropriate parking to go along with it in an area where all other similar uses are the same all the other uses are generally the same especially on Main Street I believe that we're not substantially impairing the intent of the master plan as well so in summary um when you have a variance for uh bulk variance and it's a C2 variance we want to show that we're creating a better zoning alternative and advancing purposes of zoning without causing any substantial detriment in this instance I believe there are several benefits that are associated with the entire development plan I've highlighted the benefits that I see that are Advanced through the municipal zoning process this location is not like other locations in the community this is a student housing area it is appropriate to upgrade this site and provide the appropriate parking similar to other uses in the surrounding block and similar to the uses across the street um it's difficult to redevelop this proper in a way that is able to fit into the community if you're going to conform with zoning I don't think any of us would want to live here this is a student housing area um so it's appropriate to make it useful to serve that purpose of the community I think that's where she's calling us old yeah well exactly we're all I don't wouldn't want to live there I got enough at my house I'm trying to kick them all out um touring colleges all week um so I think that the posit substantially outweigh the detriments in this area and I think there's a good purpose for this application um and this is Mark exibit of the photos if you need to that's A3 so I'm here for questions I know this isn't always one of the favorite things this board likes to deal with so I'm happy to answer questions and try to explain why if there's anything that you need me to elaborate on why I think this works here different than many other locations and why this isn't going to that much of a impact to the community but more of an improvement in a benefit okay I have a question um unless I misheard they were talking about the driveway leaving and asking for it to go from I think 24 Ines to 15 15 ft 24t 15 the D just the driveway just the driveway and is that going to allow enough so that the cars leaving can go both directions or is there going to be a sign that says left only or right only or something like that to keep the traffic is about six and a half to sevenet wide so 15t would allow for two cars to pass by at the same time it's not a highspeed drive aisle it's not like you're going into a shopping center for people that live here so they'll no I meant I people that live there when they Park they Park their car when they go to leave are they going to have enough room to make to make a choice of left or right or oh okay is there enough room here for that oh um because there's a lot of traffic on these roads there may not be a lot of people but there's a lot of traffic they'll have room to go left or right will they be allowed to go both left or right is that a is that a traffic Hazard if you can only go out and turn one way and stop the traffic you have a traffic study okay you can fit a fire engine in there and be able to turn around well that's not Happ aren they you want your cars backing out we don't want fire trucks backing out it's a 68t wide lot so it's it would be difficult in any circumstance um there is a 24 foot distance on the side of the building even though the 15 foot's paved so if there's a fire truck there's still ample space to get the truck back there um Can it turn around maybe if it's not a large truck but I don't think so it wouldn't work it wouldn't be able to turn around on any of the properties that are in the area are there are there openings at both ends so you could go go straight if I when I pull in I could also pull out or is that not a no you're pulling into the church Park and one more thing is there any anything in anybody's literature that talks about what the minimum age of living in a in an apartment without you know a student apartment without um you know you're 18 years old and your house is now filled with 20 18 year old 20 20 people in there and that's a pretty young age if you're in you know 20 years old it's you know what you're supposed to be doing and you know so is there somebody that stops over and coordinates or before you tells him to be good little boys and girls I'm just before he answers that I want to note too that while the fire may not be able to turn around there is a municipal parking lot on the side which would give access to the building more so than if it was sandal in between two different buildings but I think to miss came as the vice chair's point it's not a group home these are supposed to be sentient young adults yeah who act responsibly otherwise they wouldn't be in college you're suggesting that that's not the well I mean that's not the case but I mean at the end of the day it's not for special needs people yeah we want to make sure that we don't have PE students in there that we have to take care of for one thing or that are well it's not a fraternity it's not a it's not a sority so it's not going to have a house Mom or you know yeah I I presume that my understanding is correct Anthony okay take it away do you maintain a room there for yourself an office or something like that or not planning on it a number of properties in town why I say you your family would have any questions well yes um it was indicated that uh the parking on the right hand side to show the parking spots and you said that the you got additional parking on the left hand side but I I I I I didn't didn't see where actually it was indicated that it would be and we're talking about being able to go in uh turn around uh uh um go past cars going past each other but if you got a parking spot on the left- hand side and uh you I think you said five five or six on the left hand side um they I guess he's asking they're parallel parking spaces why don't you just demonstrate using exhibit A2 what some of the Ingress and egress would be have it in your hand when in your hand um we have marked off here that used for around outward withes here on the right side South pull off the driveway would be much EAS any of these spaces Ada accessible curently they are not what's your oblig the obligation obligation Mr well we we did make a re thank you Mr chairman we made a recommendation in our report that they provide a ADA Compliant handicap parking space AG which I I I'm not sure but I thought the applicant had agreed to wa the law is the law so what do they require how many ad if it's a requirement but if it is absolutely I think it makes sense that if we have someone that needs it we designate one and provide it but to lose a parking space when no one's going to use it it would be sitting empty it makes no sense but the law requires a certain number of the people and they and but not necessarily things have to be a certain width and all that too oh I know and but I'm not sure it technically applies on this type of development if it does we will provide it but if it doesn't I think it's better to provide it as if it's needed for a resident in the unit um otherwise the space sits empty so yes I think if it's required by Ada provide you got the half a loaf approach but but we appreciate that but let's just finished the thought guys so where you at on the on the Ada Park the the house itself is not accessible also hand it is considered a single family house which I do not believe requires so that's the angle all right well that's the angle so I mean you know just disabled not welcome not necessarily if someone well no I mean I'm being I'm being dramatic but I mean I understand you know that that's the characterization single family dwelling and not required so that's the answer but there could be issues no no we get it we get it we get it but we're we're here we're now and having this conv if everybody's paying for their own individual room there's some leeway on how you know how that's applied I think in terms of of uh having a spot that you know if you're going to visit your son daughter friend and you're disabled know that there's one there for you I don't know if that you know is a good or bad thing but just tossing it out there mror God this as far as that's a Prett how do you handle it I the where somebody else doesn't go in there you know young kids somebody goes in there and Par and need something there for days how do you hand as far security well no I mean just as far as like they live there they park there but if they don't live there how do you stop somebody says at thisk like there's no number or anything no I mean you you could do that you could post you know towing with a private service you could give a permit that you know one car per bedroom or any number of things well that would be the the common um you know I got here early so my friends took up 10 cars and we're having a beer party kind of a thing and you need to have something that well that's I guess that's what we I guess the consensus that's a business decision M Mr Harvey yeah well I don't want to cut you you know well for myself I'm still sitting here and I'm still gentleman he tried to explain how that they would back out how they would back back into a corner how they try to pull out the the first of all the parking spots are very narrow and and I'm I'm listening to all this I'm saying this sounds like um it's quite congested you know um the concern that I have is for personal safety you know um there nothing worth than trying to slam your finger in the door and trying to you don't have that much room then you're trying to back out then it just looks like it's kind of chaotic 25 separ a 25is in the rear so we have the 15 foot coming in but between the parking spaces the head on and the parallel is a 25 foot wide aisle so there's a lot of room yeah and that's the only thing I was expressing you know the congestion and uh just thinking in terms of safety uh last argument which that I had and that is that that that area you got new Street which is coming in coming on the side over there and I'm telling you even now when you get ready to come down New Street and you're getting ready to go to the library or whatever you have to wait almost 10 15 minutes just to come across Main Street and was there any kind of uh uh traffic uh uh analysis or anything of that nature taken into taken into consideration um there was not we have 19 spaces proposed we figure maybe two traffic well well just just trying to streng think broadly and that is that uh what we already have looking at what we already have as far as uh traffic um and thinking in terms of a lot of the young people I know that I see a couple of young people they have visitors they come over certain s in the the day or during the week they're out there partying you know they're in and out they're running to get something to eat this and that so you know um just thinking in terms of a traffic nightmare you know and this is something in which that we're trying to take into consideration so that we don't uh put anything a burden on our community yeah you have have time for like when the college classes get out also or you'll never get anywhere left or right it's a it's a small but that street is busy all day so that's that's kind of a false analysis that new Street like said at the end there is no that's on paper sounds good different up high that Street's busy all day there is hug trucks any other questions from the board we're going to go to the professionals Mr Bean sure thank you Mr chairman thank you uh so it does appear they have uh agreed to most of the items within our September 26 24 uh letter I just want to add some clarity or get some clarity on a few items on um number number four technical comments number four and that is a waiver is required for emitting curb around the parking lot um we wouldn't have an objection to that as long as the grading demonstrates that there won't be uh runoff onto adjacent Properties or anything like that in other words there might be a few little areas where it's appropriate to put some curbing just to capture the run off so if that's the case if they could agree to that if need be we could agree to that we're trying to grade all the pavement towards the middle very good thanks um after that is under site plan number one um and well they they agreed uh about the front building elevation having a front entry door on the plans now if you if you'll notice it actually has a door opening to the right side which is away from the parking lot in the aisle so they've agreed to do it uh front door um but it should show not just on the architectural but on the site plan that's just what I wanted to add so both the site plan and the architectural does the site actually is the is it actually having like a kitchen and a living room or something yes so okay thank you that's all I wanted to know got thanks just curious uh number six um you did agree about um adding some additional Landscaping in the rear to make sure there's not additional parking that goes there uh if needed would would you be agreeable just to put for part of the distance a split rail fence just to also ensure that too thank you um then um the uh item under grading storm water management they they all kind of tied together and once they do submit this we'll have to review it and there may be some you we'll have to work through it with them and and they can do that uh one is with item two providing spot elevations and we just have to make sure along with that that you showed the um down spout locations uh just so that we can ensure that there's no runoff from the roof going on to adjacent property that adjacent properties um item number seven uh providing a storm water maintenance plan U we look forward to you know getting that once we're done with the once you're done with the design of the drainage and everything but uh one item also is typically what we have in areas like this where it's important that this continues to work is that we do have the storm water maintenance plan uh filed with the deed at the county so that it goes uh continually on the property to make sure that it's taken care of so if they would agree to that would be helpful they agree right absolutely there you go um further uh uh few other items uh besides uh what's there is um looking at the parking and I'm not sure uh if it does make sense you can look at please look at it but you have the parallel parking spaces you know people would pull in and most likely just be facing in a direction towards the east there I'm sorry yeah they'll be Facing East so would it make sense at all to switch the turnaround uh space on the other side to the last parking space instead of the first one because those people are going to be doing more I think that going to do more than a full k k turn Okay so could switch switch those spaces so this space here end yes we all people to pull here and then out yeah rather than yeah excellent excellent just as on architectural plans there's a uh glass sliding door off the dining room is there any future plans for that or any need for the for the sliding door that the only reason we bring it up is that if anything it would anything else like a a porch that came off it would intrude into the side yard set back and everything um the the uh the basement uh has utility room in it and everything but there's a open space down there and I that that would be restricted I guess not to have bedroom the bedrooms are all on the second I mean first and second floor yes um and and uh lastly also so you've got you you've testified that there'll be 20 students and 20 bedrooms is there a way through your you know Leasing and everything where you restrict it to one student for bedroom uh there will be only 20 and that's it Mr chairman unless you have any other anybody has any questions have any questions well I if I heard correctly there was a piece that was placed on the table in regards to making a right-and turn rather than trying to make a left or right I I thought that was a very good you know suggestion that they put on the table and uh yeah you could always put the sign up it doesn't mean they're going to follow it well this is true but at least you know for myself uh coming down that way and somebody's trying to shoot acoss and and make a leftand turn I mean it's already a nightmare there you know so and and if I heard correctly it was suggested saying hey that makes good sense and I'm saying well you know I didn't hear you make mention of it or anything that is that something and what's that that do you do you not agree with that comment no no I'm sorry and thank you for bringing it up um yet I would agree you know putting up the signage uh in terms of enforcing it it' be a little more difficult and also the county has jurisdiction on the RO there correct they may very well come up with the same comment too along the way but um uh I I think if they agree to put up a sign then it's it's helpful can't hurt but to repeat that's not enforceable them putting up a sign that doesn't mean a municipal police officer has to enforced that so it's just a suggest for the most part correct correct right but they don't have to put up the sign but I mean on the delsi drive I wish they had Right Turn Only correct because just coming here tonight it you know could be a little harrowing Mr Callen thank you Mr chairman well notwithstanding some of the uh excellent comments from the board regarding um congestion and uh traffic and so forth um I will say that I think the applicants planner did an excellent job of satisfying the proofs that are required under the ml certainly and and the purposes of zoning I appreciate that she was very thorough in doing that and I don't disagree with her uh conclusions um I will say that I'd like to I just in terms of landscaping I appreciate the applicant offering to work with with us about the landscaping and I I would say that because of the excess uh and the variance that's required for the additional Paving on the site for the parking and the consequences with respect to storm water and things like that I'd like the applicant to consider using um Green Solutions like herbaceous perennial wild flowers and things like that along the side of the parking lot shrubs and uh perennials which actually do mitigate to a to a degree the storm water um situation so I think that would be something that we would welcome um from the applicant um you want to work with them and you're you're suggesting it now you're it's the teaser right so they're going to work with you to develop it thank you the only other thing that worries me at least a little bit is um the question of the Ingress and egress from the building in case of an emergency and I know the applicant did agree to comply with our comment number four under performance standards but I was wondering if you can provide any more testimony about how that might work um in in particular with respect to the basement rooms in the and I guess the attic rooms um but that would be all I have at this point um yes in case of an emergency from the basement for example or the or the attic if there's anything you can provide in the way of testimony about how that might work okay okay all right thank you for offering that I think that would be helpful yes um that's all I have Mr chairman any more questions for Mr all right since there's no more questions do I have a motion opens to the public so move I have a second all in favor I all right is there anybody here from the public that would like to speak move we close theot all in favor oppos so bad all right what's the pleasure of the board have a motion I like to motion that with the um submitt of the the waivers what that was presented that uh we'd move forward with that second that so it's a motion to approve the requested uh bulk variance relief and that would incorporate induced during the hearing of the matter and the agreements between the applicant and the board professionals we have first and second roll call Mr Lopez no Mr no just a base of safy comings on that L just doesn't seem to me SP and coming on to that busy road right there without any traud to our F In and Out Mr Smith four Mr Harvey four Mr santour miss camea four as long as all the requirements are not in favor those both VAR relief they got their relief and that's it so you there you go wi's a win thank do good job have any reports we have solicitors report um Mr chairman members nothing this month we we no resolution for your consideration thank you any old business any new business motion to adjourn motion toj second all in favor so be next meeting November 21st man